Re: CSRe: CSvaccines
In a message dated 11/18/99 11:28:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, dotsie...@aol.com writes: Actually, it doesn't matter what your religion is - they can't ask you and you are not required to tell them. Here is the link. A HREF=http://www.909shot.com/;National Vaccine Information Center/A Dotsie Oh, thanks! I learned something new today...again. I love cyberspace. Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSWater /bad cs question
Surfactants---as in dishsoap-- weak havoc on some colloidal systems. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Harvey Flatbush [SMTP:ha...@iomet.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 7:14 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSWater /bad cs question At 03:31 PM 11/18/1999 -0700, you wrote: Hey everyone -- I just made a batch of cs with my usual setup and some distilled water which made clear cs with a strong tyndall in about 1/2 hr a few weeks ago. I immediately capped the bottle of water after using it and it has been sitting untouched for three weeks. The new batch of cs that I made following the same procedure (no salt, room temp, wipe electrodes and stir every 15 min) is a grey tinged milky cloudy solution that is scary to look at. It started to fill the glass with milky solution within minutes. What could cause this? How does water go bad in a few weeks? Does that mean that the water I used before was already probably contaminated and I was unwittingly making silver compounds? ?? So I broke down and ordered a PWT meter -- no more guessing if the water is decent for me. Katarina I suggest the glass you used for the second batch may have been contaminated somehow. Perhaps the dishwater soap wasn't thoroughly rinsed out. Try another batch but rinse the glass and electrodes with distilled water beforehand. Harvey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSOT/Kris/Soy Canola oil
Wong? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: D G [SMTP:djg5...@webtv.net] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 7:30 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:RE: CSOT/Kris/Soy Canola oil who was it that said: you know, seekers, everything you know is Wrong.? Dennis 51/50 24/7 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSSilver complexed with citrate and potassium ... Whaddya
Female ofay? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 8:16 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSSilver complexed with citrate and potassium ... Whaddya Scharbach wrote: Cindy, Another thought, emu oil is supposed to transport anything mixed with it through the skin. It would have to be some kind of emulsion, mixing it with the silver, but I bet it would transort through to the abscesses. What is emu oil? Isn't an emu a bird, like an ostrich? I have some oil of Olay. What is an Olay? Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSMeter question
Don't do this with High Voltage generators. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: 2001 TV VCR [SMTP:x2...@qnet.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 9:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSMeter question If you want to accurately and safely measure the resistance of the water first measure the voltage at the silver electrodes. Now attach your meter leads in series with the voltage to one of the electrodes and switch the meter to measure milliamps. Divide the voltage reading by the amp reading (convert milliamps to amps by moving the decimal point three places to the left) - this is the resistance. Bil - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: Re: CSMeter question Please, if you use a VOM or multimeter for measuring the resistance of water, throw it out after the measurement, or use silver wire for the probes. The probes can be solder or nickel plated, and when you measure the water, the metal can be stripped off and goes into the water. Solder is typically 40% lead, and nickel isn't much better. You don't want to drink either of them. Marshall Charles King wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:45:56 -0700, Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com wrote: Bill suggested I get a volt-ohm meter from radio shack that reads in the milli-ohms range. Someone else, I think Chuck - said one should get a digital multimeter from Radio shack. Are they the same thing? I would like to get only one more meter and be done with meter buying A volt-ohm meter is a multimeter, so named because they usually measure voltage(volts), resistance (ohms), and current( amps, milliamps). Cheap ones are usually accurate enough for general experimental and household use. They come in two types. Analog, which reads as a pointer on a scale, or digital, which reads out as numbers on a screen. Digital is easier to use by far. Used to be very expensive, not anymore. Well worth any difference in price over a analog in the same range. If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver electrodes, you will know the current going through your water. Distilled water will start with a very low current (usually about 0.25ma or less). As your process continues, the current will gradually rise. You should stop the process before you get above 2.5ma). This usually takes less than an hour. If your starting current is NOT low, your water is contaminated. If it doesn't rise, you've pulled a Marsha. Keep it to yourself... Chuck Important Things My Kids taught Me It's more fun to color outside the lines. If you're gonna draw on the wall, do it behind the couch. Ask why until you understand. Save a place in line for your friends. If you want a kitten, start out by asking for a horse. Making your bed is a waste of time. If your dog doesn't like somebody, you probably shouldn't, either. Toads aren't ugly. They're just toads. just keep banging until someone opens the door. Don't pop someone else's bubble. You shouldn't ask to start over just because you're losing the game. Chasing the cat is more fun than catching it. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMeter question
You sure are right James! I forgot to mention that. Of course if your meter actually has a 10,000 volt range then you could... However high voltage can be very deadly, only takes around 10 milliamps to kill you! I don't want to get near it myself. Prefer to use LV. Bil - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 9:08 PM Subject: RE: CSMeter question Don't do this with High Voltage generators. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: 2001 TV VCR [SMTP:x2...@qnet.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 9:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeter question If you want to accurately and safely measure the resistance of the water first measure the voltage at the silver electrodes. Now attach your meter leads in series with the voltage to one of the electrodes and switch the meter to measure milliamps. Divide the voltage reading by the amp reading (convert milliamps to amps by moving the decimal point three places to the left) - this is the resistance. Bil - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: Re: CSMeter question Please, if you use a VOM or multimeter for measuring the resistance of water, throw it out after the measurement, or use silver wire for the probes. The probes can be solder or nickel plated, and when you measure the water, the metal can be stripped off and goes into the water. Solder is typically 40% lead, and nickel isn't much better. You don't want to drink either of them. Marshall Charles King wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:45:56 -0700, Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com wrote: Bill suggested I get a volt-ohm meter from radio shack that reads in the milli-ohms range. Someone else, I think Chuck - said one should get a digital multimeter from Radio shack. Are they the same thing? I would like to get only one more meter and be done with meter buying A volt-ohm meter is a multimeter, so named because they usually measure voltage(volts), resistance (ohms), and current( amps, milliamps). Cheap ones are usually accurate enough for general experimental and household use. They come in two types. Analog, which reads as a pointer on a scale, or digital, which reads out as numbers on a screen. Digital is easier to use by far. Used to be very expensive, not anymore. Well worth any difference in price over a analog in the same range. If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver electrodes, you will know the current going through your water. Distilled water will start with a very low current (usually about 0.25ma or less). As your process continues, the current will gradually rise. You should stop the process before you get above 2.5ma). This usually takes less than an hour. If your starting current is NOT low, your water is contaminated. If it doesn't rise, you've pulled a Marsha. Keep it to yourself... Chuck Important Things My Kids taught Me It's more fun to color outside the lines. If you're gonna draw on the wall, do it behind the couch. Ask why until you understand. Save a place in line for your friends. If you want a kitten, start out by asking for a horse. Making your bed is a waste of time. If your dog doesn't like somebody, you probably shouldn't, either. Toads aren't ugly. They're just toads. just keep banging until someone opens the door. Don't pop someone else's bubble. You shouldn't ask to start over just because you're losing the game. Chasing the cat is more fun than catching it. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSSilver complexed with citrate and potassium ... Whaddya
think Dr. Demento, but more Zen. Dennis 51/50 24/7 ---BeginMessage--- Female ofay? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 8:16 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSSilver complexed with citrate and potassium ... Whaddya Scharbach wrote: Cindy, Another thought, emu oil is supposed to transport anything mixed with it through the skin. It would have to be some kind of emulsion, mixing it with the silver, but I bet it would transort through to the abscesses. What is emu oil? Isn't an emu a bird, like an ostrich? I have some oil of Olay. What is an Olay? Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net ---End Message---
Re: CSHi I'm new, I have lots of newbie questions.
Is there a devils advocate on the list? Speak up, convince me this stuff is poison. But make it a good case, I will unfortuantly and unfairly hold you to a higher standard of evidence than your peers on the list. Yes, there is a distinct possibility of dying from taking too much Cs! If you check the EPA site (more honest then FDA) below, you will find that the fatal dose per studies by Goodman and Gillman is 10 grams of silver OR 520 gallons of 5 PPM in one dose! Since the EPA says we eliminate 92-98% in 24 hours, you might have to take more, as I am sure you would have to pee at some point! http://www.epa.gov/ngispgm3/iris/subst/0099.htm#I.A. Since the EPA makes no differentiation between ionic, metallic or silver compounds, you could safely take more ionic form! I reguards to your product like urine, color is a sign of larger particles! We suggest using deionized water vs. distilled, as it is always better quality, being a controlled process while distillation is a crude process with 10:1 variations as a norm. Ions are of course the prefered form - smallest, positive charge and stable! f...@health2us.com
CSHere's HVAC Info
Hi Jeannine, I have built my own HVAC unit. It is almost an exact copy of Bruce Marx's machines. I had a fellow silver-lister measure his electrode setup configuration. I see on Bruce's site http://www.csprosystems.com/ that he now offers a batch-tank for Euro-Asian clients. He does so because his transformers only work with the 110 VAC current. You have to supply your own transformer which is basically a 10,000 to 12,000 neon-sign transformer. I feel I owe it to Bruce to buy his tank. It's an inspired design. Will see how my budget goes. HVAC CS can be a tricky business, and I recommend getting a CSPro HVAC unit. Then you get Bruce's backup with it. Here are the instructions. They stem from old emails and silver-list posts. Hope this helps. Note: I have made some changes since I wrote this old message. Firstly, I now use double-distilled water, not double-distilled-and-deionized. The conductance is too low with the latter, so that the process takes too long. With normal double distilled water, the process runs for three hours and makes super-quality, clean 15 - 20 PPM CS. The HVAC process that uses the CSPRO setup is very sensitive to good quality water. I have a Waterwise 9000 distiller. Its water quality is not nearly good enough for the HVAC process. The water conducts too well and causes the CS in the tank to become too hot. The transformer also gets very hot. The electrodes are eaten up at a fast rate, and the CS has sparklers in it. Even if I distill water twice in my Waterwise still, it is still not good enough. (Bear in mind that I stay on a farm where the well-water has many impurities.) I recommend double distilled water that is made in a glass/quartz still. ---start paste--- At 01:12 PM 4/30/98 -0400, you wrote: Could you give a good enough description of your unit for someone else to try and duplicate it? I have a 9000 VAC 60 Hz 30 mA transformer sitting here just looking for a purpose in life :-) I'll try... My unit consists of three parts: the power supply, the brewing vessel with electrodes and the water in it. I'll describe all three. (I'll paste in some of my previous posts :) I use a 12000 volt ac transformer with the following specs: Primary: 240 v - 1.65 amp Secondary: 12000 v - 30 milliamp 50 Hz, 360 VA This unit is used by neon display companies to power the tubes in the neon signs. Here in SA the transformers can be found in 5000, 6000, 9000, 1 and 12000 volt, all 30 milliamp. This is according to a guy at a neon sign manufacturer. The transformer measures 225 mm long, 95 mm wide and 130 mm high. It weighs just under 10 kg and is made in Hong Kong - ah so! : I connect a multimeter in series with the live wire and leave it so as to monitor input current for the whole duration of a typical 4 hour run. I first measured the current with the transformer under no load, no wires connected at the secondary terminals and it drew a constant 0.16 amp. I use a one liter glass beaker. I will upgrade this to 2 liter shortly. I have a piece of plastic - gray stuff in-between nylon and hard plastic - that I machined on a lathe to fit securely on the top of the beaker. You don't want anything to move around at 12000 volt! It is about 7 mm thick and 11 mm in diameter. It has two ventilation slots on top. The electrode configuration is almost exactly the same as the Bruce Marx setup. Warren was kind enough to measure his setup on the HVAC Ultra. I'll just paste in his very detailed description. (Thanks again Warren.) -start paste- The way my CSPro Ultra is set up, there is a bar of silver which is about 1.5 millimeters thick and about 10 by 2 1/2 centimeters. It is suspended by two copper wires hanging down from a female banana plug in the plastic top of the plastic container where the CS is produced. The silver bar hangs horizontally from the two copper wires in the form of an inverted v terminating in bent ends like the letter j passing through two holes drilled in the upper edge of the silver bar. The bar hangs in the water up to a millimeter or so from the copper wires. In other words, the vast majority of the silver bar is hanging in the distilled water almost to the level of the two holes which are drilled near the top of the bar. On the plastic top to each side of the banana plug terminal for the bar at about 3 and 1/2 centimeters is found another female banana plug terminal. A copper wire connects these two terminals. One of the female banana plugs is filled with plastic so nothing plugs into it. Suspended from each is copper wire that is formed into a one centimeter coil (to allow adjustment) and then terminates in another j . A short (about 2 1/2 centimeter) twisted piece of silver wire with an eye hangs on each copper j wire and is set at about 1 or 2 millimeters from the surface of the distilled water (These hang on each side of the hanging bar). When the unit is set up with the cables from the machine plugged into the top of the water container and all
RE: CSvaccines
This is of interest to me - I'm not in the USA so regulations would need to be checked - but seem to have missed the beginning of the trail which probably discussed why not to vaccinate. So sorry, but if someone would care to fill me in, I'd be most grateful. Many thanks Yvonne :o0 -Original Message- From: Scharbach [mailto:myf...@mwt.net] Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 3:41 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSvaccines Dianne, I'd be happy to send the info, let me find it. Is this of interest to the list, or shall I take it off forum? Sparrow Hi Sparrow, I'd appreciate some clarification, lest I misunderstand my own state. I live in Connecticut and we do not have a personal/philosophical exemption here. We have religious (which I cannot claim for whatever reasons), and medical is almost impossible to obtain. Since you say that ALL states must accept all three, I'd like to know how to do that. I am not concerned for my children, since we homeschool anyway. I do have friends who choose to use the public school system and are very worried. I also have a friend who's daughter was denied entrance into the local preschool due to being non-vaccinated. Actually, THAT friend is the one who turned my family on to CS !!! Thanks for your time in advance, Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSSearching the archives...
Dear silver-list'ers, We have a list archive at http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html ... but the search engine they provide there is a *little* quirky. Here are a couple of tips I've worked up... The worst thing about it is you have to search Subject lines before they give you the option of searching message bodies. We all know how closely Subject lines follow the content of the message, don't we? *NOT*! grin This would be useful, at best, for pulling up an entire thread once you know the subject line. I'd usually rather search the bodies to begin with. Here's how to get around this. To do a search of message bodies directly, cut and past the following url into the address line of your web browser: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/search.html?qbody= After the =, type in the words of the phrase you want to search for, separated by plus signs (+). Example: To search for the phrase honest politician, the last half of the url would look something like this: ... search.html?qbody=honest+politician Note that you'll be searching for the exact phrase honest politician only. You won't get hits on honest as a politician or ...politician who is honest The way it's set up means we're pretty much limited to searches on single words or very short phrases. I don't know yet how to get it to do a more flexible Boolean search. Another important foible of the archive is that it's hard to go back to a specific date. Say you knew there was an interesting thread back in January of this year. There are over 160 pages of date index right now. Paging through all of them to get back to January would be tedious, at best. There is something to help with this a little, and possibilities for making it much easier to use later. First, go back to the first date index page: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Just above the index list is a line of navigation links: Date Index page 1 of 161. [First] [Prev] [Next] [Last] (Switch to Thread Index) (Switch to Author List) Clicking on [Next] gets you to the index page before the current one. You'll note that the url now looks something like http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html?by=Daten=2 You can manually change the 2 to a different number, going back to whatever page whose number you type in without having to page through all of the ones in between. Going back to our example of trying to get to January 1999, I tried typing in 50, and came out somewhere in July. 100 landed me in April, and 130 back in July '98. I got to early Feb with 110, and early January, finally, with 113. Ugly, yes, but faster than paging through all 113 pages it would have taken to get there the other way. It looks like it might be pretty straighforward to code up a little index to the index so we can have a web based form that will let you go directly to any particular date. However, as pages are added to the archive the number of all the pages goes up one. So, some arithmetic will be needed to make it work right. However, I'm not yet up to speed with CGI script coding enough to tackle it. I hope these two tips will help you at least a little bit in the meantime. If there are any great coders out there who wanna take a crack at some web-based controls and forms for making this navigation a little easier, let me know in e-mail. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSjewel weed, fleas, soy oil
To those asking about jewel weed, here is a link with a great picture. I have used it all my life to prevent problems after touching poison ivy. A HREF=http://altnature.com/jewelweed.htm;jewel weed, poison ivy, poison ivy cure, folk medicine/A As to the discussion of cats, do you know about using brewers yeast to prevent fleas. In PA, I give each cat 1/4 teaspoon a day mixed with canned cat food. I do this March through November, and they never have fleas now. But you must start early, before there are any fleas around, or the fleas will move off the cats onto you. I had used Canola oil because it was recommended by Nutrition Action as the best, until I recently read many horrible things about it. By the way, did you know it is in most peanut butters? So I switched to Soy oil because soy is supposed to be so good for you. But now someone said there are dangers with soy oil. Could anyone explain what the problem is with soy oil? Karen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSSilver complexed with citrate and potassium ... Whaddya
Yes, emu oil is the bird oil.An Olay? Isn't that one of those mythical creatures? ;~) Sparrow What is emu oil? Isn't an emu a bird, like an ostrich? I have some oil of Olay. What is an Olay? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSBIG NEWS....Ionic Silver Complex May Replace Many Antibiotics
Ionic Silver Complex May Replace Many Antibiotics FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla.--(BW HealthWire) via NewsEdge Corporation -- Invision International, Inc., a privately held firm, has made arrangements to begin clinical trials of its ionic silver complex technology, called Opti-Silver(TM), in pursuit of FDA drug approvals for a wide spectrum of germ-killing and tissue-regenerating applications in and on the body. Opti-Silver(TM), a non-toxic, water-based formulation that lends itself to universal application internally and topically, has the potential to render many traditional antibiotics obsolete. The company anticipates a broad range of medical and veterinary uses. According to Jay Newman, President of Invision International, enthusiastic reports from consumers and medical practitioners using Opti-Silver(TM) technology indicate that a revolution in the use of antibiotics may be imminent. Clinical trials are the next step in bringing about such change, which the company plans to pursue for many disease conditions. Two medical clinics in Northern California are scheduled to begin the initial human trials before the end of this year. Trials in other clinics are also being arranged. Silver ions are known to kill virtually all bacteria that lead to all common infections. They are also believed by some to be effective against a substantial number of viruses and fungi, and to be remarkably effective at assisting the body in regenerating tissue. Ionic silver is also reputed by progressive cancer treatment centers as being highly effective against cancer, and is believed to be the primary substance used by AIDS victims on their own. Silver ions are completely harmless to mammalian cells when used in the small quantities needed to kill germs. Delivering silver ions to the body, however, is a huge challenge because they instantly bind up with other agents in the mouth or on the skin, and thereby become inert, in the absence of a controlled release system. Previous forms of ionic silver have been incapable of efficiently providing this controlled release. Opti-Silver(TM) utilizes proprietary technology for complexing silver ions with citrate in such a way that the silver ions are released in a controlled manner upon exposure to the body's chemistry, providing a gradual release of the silver ions and facilitating the spread of the silver ions through the body. The citrate not only provides the efficiently controlled release of silver ions, but it is also an excellent internal carrier since it is a key constituent of the metabolic system and is readily drawn to the body's cells. Opti-Silver(TM), which consists of silver ions, citrate, potassium and water, is entirely safe. The use of silver ion technology has been increasing rapidly in the past few years and even more so in the recent months. The FDA has approved medical devices such as catheters, as well as topical film and fabric dressings, that release silver ions to prevent infection and heal tissue. According to the doctors using them in hospitals, these silver ion products are demonstrating superb performance and far outperforming traditional antibiotics. A system for releasing silver ions into the water supply has been approved by the FDA for preventing the germ that causes Legionnaires' Disease and is now beginning to be installed in hospitals. Technology for introducing silver ions into public water systems for sanitation is now being licensed to a growing number of countries and is also being used in pharmacies to sterilize equipment and instruments. A silver coating is now being used to prevent cross-contamination on household items such as cutting boards and bath mats and a major pharmaceutical company has recently introduced a tooth brush that incorporates this technology for killing bacteria in the mouth. Invision International has focused its efforts exclusively on what it sees as the much broader area of disease prevention and treatment, developing products to be used directly in or on the body. The worldwide antibiotic market is in the realm of $15-billion. In vivo trials, wherein the product is tested on humans who have actual disease conditions (rather than in test tubes or petri dishes in a laboratory, which is called in vitro testing), is essential with silver ion technology because of the fact that silver ions will bind up with a host of agents in the body and on the skin if there is not an effective delivery system incorporated into the formulation. One company recently announced that it has had promising success with their silver formulation in lab tests, but Mr. Newman points out that such tests are meaningless due to the imperative need for an effective delivery system when using silver ions to kill germs in or on the body, which, according to Newman, that other company's formulation apparently does not have. Invision International currently makes a dietary supplement called Silver 100(TM), which contains Opti-Silver(TM) as the key
Re: CSSilver complexed with citrate and potassium ... Whaddya
the olay is a subspecies of the nauga, whose hide is used extensively in furniture coverings due to its resemblence to leather. Dennis 51/50 24/7 ---BeginMessage--- Yes, emu oil is the bird oil.An Olay? Isn't that one of those mythical creatures? ;~) Sparrow What is emu oil? Isn't an emu a bird, like an ostrich? I have some oil of Olay. What is an Olay? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net ---End Message---
Re: CSVaccine Info - Sparrow Please
Hi, new to the group... very informative! About the Waivers: All schools have waivers that you sign to get your kids in school. It's very simple and hassle free. I've used them for all of my kids for years. Recently, we received a blitz of warnings that kids couldn't get into the middle school here unless they've been inoculated with the new Hepatitis B vaccine. I refused. I called the school and asked if I could sign a waiver, and they simply replied, Sure. My son went to school and no one ever asked us about it. It's a law, and the schools comply, but they aren't usually emotionally involved, and I find they really don't care. There are so few parents who take the waiver option. Good luck! Dhyana -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSSilver complexed with citrate and potassium ... Whaddya
On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:09:55 -0600, Scharbach myf...@mwt.net wrote: Yes, emu oil is the bird oil. AW. Running a bunch of birds thru an oil press Better we go back to cats! Chuck I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHi I'm new, I have lots of newbie questions.
Fred wrote: Is there a devils advocate on the list? Speak up, convince me this stuff is poison. But make it a good case, I will unfortuantly and unfairly hold you to a higher standard of evidence than your peers on the list. Yes, there is a distinct possibility of dying from taking too much Cs! If you check the EPA site (more honest then FDA) below, you will find that the fatal dose per studies by Goodman and Gillman is 10 grams of silver OR 520 gallons of 5 PPM in one dose! Since the EPA says we eliminate 92-98% in 24 hours, you might have to take more, as I am sure you would have to pee at some point! Normall a fatal dosage uses the component that would kill first in a mixture. The fatal dosage of 5 PPM would likely be more like 10 gallons, which is my guess as to the the amount of pure water that would kill you if drunk as fast as you can. If this is approximately right then the water would be approximately 50 times as toxic as the silver for 5 ppm product. Marshall
Re: CSBIG NEWS....Ionic Silver Complex May Replace Many Antibiotics
Daniel, when was the date of this press release? Could you per chance post the URL where this might be found. Thanks in advance. Cindy -Original Message- From: Daniel Holly di...@iitek.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 9:07 AM Subject: CSBIG NEWSIonic Silver Complex May Replace Many Antibiotics Ionic Silver Complex May Replace Many Antibiotics FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla.--(BW HealthWire) via NewsEdge Corporation -- Invision International, Inc., a privately held firm, has made arrangements to begin clinical trials of its ionic silver complex technology, called Opti-Silver(TM), in pursuit of FDA drug approvals for a wide spectrum of germ-killing and tissue-regenerating applications in and on the body. Opti-Silver(TM), a non-toxic, water-based formulation that lends itself to universal application internally and topically, has the potential to render many traditional antibiotics obsolete. The company anticipates a broad range of medical and veterinary uses. According to Jay Newman, President of Invision International, enthusiastic reports from consumers and medical practitioners using Opti-Silver(TM) technology indicate that a revolution in the use of antibiotics may be imminent. Clinical trials are the next step in bringing about such change, which the company plans to pursue for many disease conditions. Two medical clinics in Northern California are scheduled to begin the initial human trials before the end of this year. Trials in other clinics are also being arranged. Silver ions are known to kill virtually all bacteria that lead to all common infections. They are also believed by some to be effective against a substantial number of viruses and fungi, and to be remarkably effective at assisting the body in regenerating tissue. Ionic silver is also reputed by progressive cancer treatment centers as being highly effective against cancer, and is believed to be the primary substance used by AIDS victims on their own. Silver ions are completely harmless to mammalian cells when used in the small quantities needed to kill germs. Delivering silver ions to the body, however, is a huge challenge because they instantly bind up with other agents in the mouth or on the skin, and thereby become inert, in the absence of a controlled release system. Previous forms of ionic silver have been incapable of efficiently providing this controlled release. Opti-Silver(TM) utilizes proprietary technology for complexing silver ions with citrate in such a way that the silver ions are released in a controlled manner upon exposure to the body's chemistry, providing a gradual release of the silver ions and facilitating the spread of the silver ions through the body. The citrate not only provides the efficiently controlled release of silver ions, but it is also an excellent internal carrier since it is a key constituent of the metabolic system and is readily drawn to the body's cells. Opti-Silver(TM), which consists of silver ions, citrate, potassium and water, is entirely safe. The use of silver ion technology has been increasing rapidly in the past few years and even more so in the recent months. The FDA has approved medical devices such as catheters, as well as topical film and fabric dressings, that release silver ions to prevent infection and heal tissue. According to the doctors using them in hospitals, these silver ion products are demonstrating superb performance and far outperforming traditional antibiotics. A system for releasing silver ions into the water supply has been approved by the FDA for preventing the germ that causes Legionnaires' Disease and is now beginning to be installed in hospitals. Technology for introducing silver ions into public water systems for sanitation is now being licensed to a growing number of countries and is also being used in pharmacies to sterilize equipment and instruments. A silver coating is now being used to prevent cross-contamination on household items such as cutting boards and bath mats and a major pharmaceutical company has recently introduced a tooth brush that incorporates this technology for killing bacteria in the mouth. Invision International has focused its efforts exclusively on what it sees as the much broader area of disease prevention and treatment, developing products to be used directly in or on the body. The worldwide antibiotic market is in the realm of $15-billion. In vivo trials, wherein the product is tested on humans who have actual disease conditions (rather than in test tubes or petri dishes in a laboratory, which is called in vitro testing), is essential with silver ion technology because of the fact that silver ions will bind up with a host of agents in the body and on the skin if there is not an effective delivery system incorporated into the formulation. One company recently announced that it has had promising success with their silver formulation in lab tests, but Mr. Newman points out that
CSBunny with abscess and eye infection.
Greetings Listers, I have been using the C.S. in my sick bunnies eye now for about three days, and I am cautiously optimistic. The infection seems to be clearing up some. Sparrow has suggested injecting C.S. directly into the abscess, which I can do with one of the abscesses on his cheek, but I can't do with the abscess near his tear duct. I am giving him C.S. via an eyedropper to the eye and am hoping for antibiotic and tissue healing results for the eye and tear duct problems. Cross your fingers, guys, my daughter is really attached to this rabbit. (I am too.) Any advice would be welcomed. I have heard of implantable antibiotic beads that vets are using with great success. Rabbit abscesses, from what I understand, are very hard to get to because the abscesses have a thick capsule with thick toothpaste-like contents. Systemic antibiotics are questionably effective, beause it is doubtful that anything can get past the abscess capsule. I have heard of vets injecting Gentocin directly into abscesses, so I don't see why an injection of C.S. would hurt. Anyone have any ideas as to ppm for this kind of an application? I am thinking a higher ppm maybe? Well wishes, Cindy
Re: CSRe: Bil/resistance reading
Hi Bil, I'm hopelessly non technical -- so how do I measure the voltage at the electrodes??? Attatch your meter leads in series what does that mean? can you describe in more detail? Unfortunately my generator is the bob beck silver pulser and the electrodes are not removeable so I have a feeling I might have to do some dismantling to do this. Might be easier to get silver electrodes for the meter -- or would that be less accurate? Katarina Hi Kat, Was it you that just said she ordered a PWT from Hanna? I'd say at this point the easiest thing for you to do is to make a batch the way you usually do, whatever it is, and measure it at the end with the conductivity meter. Then just use the conductivity meter reading to help you repeat from one batch to the next, ie, go until done. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSFree TDS meter
I just ran across this site that says that they will send you a free TDS (total dissolved solids) meter to check your water with before/after making CS. http://www.pureroyalty.com/freemeter.htm Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSFree TDS meter
i just ordered mine. Dennis 51/50 24/7 ---BeginMessage--- I just ran across this site that says that they will send you a free TDS (total dissolved solids) meter to check your water with before/after making CS. http://www.pureroyalty.com/freemeter.htm Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net ---End Message---
CSSort of off-topic, but not really...
When we drove across Alberta, BC and Yukon Territory on our return to Alaska a couple of years ago, we were amazed at the thousands of acres of rapeseed that was planted there. It was all in bloom, and quite pretty to see: A brilliant, clear yellow. What was interesting to me was the fact that on my first trip up the Alaska Highway in 1964, all those fields had been planted in flax, which was also blooming at the time: Thousands of acres of beautiful, blue flowers. Where flaxseed is a beneficial food, I think rape/canola has been reclassified as less beneficial, perhaps even of negative benefit. Liz
Re: CSBIG NEWS....Ionic Silver Complex May Replace Many Antibiotics
I don't have the URL But this is where I found it http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a38356091101e.htm - Original Message - From: Cindy Powell suns...@networld.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 12:07 PM Subject: Re: CSBIG NEWSIonic Silver Complex May Replace Many Antibiotics Daniel, when was the date of this press release? Could you per chance post the URL where this might be found. Thanks in advance. Cindy -Original Message- From: Daniel Holly di...@iitek.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 9:07 AM Subject: CSBIG NEWSIonic Silver Complex May Replace Many Antibiotics Ionic Silver Complex May Replace Many Antibiotics FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla.--(BW HealthWire) via NewsEdge Corporation -- Invision International, Inc., a privately held firm, has made arrangements to begin clinical trials of its ionic silver complex technology, called Opti-Silver(TM), in pursuit of FDA drug approvals for a wide spectrum of germ-killing and tissue-regenerating applications in and on the body. Opti-Silver(TM), a non-toxic, water-based formulation that lends itself to universal application internally and topically, has the potential to render many traditional antibiotics obsolete. The company anticipates a broad range of medical and veterinary uses. According to Jay Newman, President of Invision International, enthusiastic reports from consumers and medical practitioners using Opti-Silver(TM) technology indicate that a revolution in the use of antibiotics may be imminent. Clinical trials are the next step in bringing about such change, which the company plans to pursue for many disease conditions. Two medical clinics in Northern California are scheduled to begin the initial human trials before the end of this year. Trials in other clinics are also being arranged. Silver ions are known to kill virtually all bacteria that lead to all common infections. They are also believed by some to be effective against a substantial number of viruses and fungi, and to be remarkably effective at assisting the body in regenerating tissue. Ionic silver is also reputed by progressive cancer treatment centers as being highly effective against cancer, and is believed to be the primary substance used by AIDS victims on their own. Silver ions are completely harmless to mammalian cells when used in the small quantities needed to kill germs. Delivering silver ions to the body, however, is a huge challenge because they instantly bind up with other agents in the mouth or on the skin, and thereby become inert, in the absence of a controlled release system. Previous forms of ionic silver have been incapable of efficiently providing this controlled release. Opti-Silver(TM) utilizes proprietary technology for complexing silver ions with citrate in such a way that the silver ions are released in a controlled manner upon exposure to the body's chemistry, providing a gradual release of the silver ions and facilitating the spread of the silver ions through the body. The citrate not only provides the efficiently controlled release of silver ions, but it is also an excellent internal carrier since it is a key constituent of the metabolic system and is readily drawn to the body's cells. Opti-Silver(TM), which consists of silver ions, citrate, potassium and water, is entirely safe. The use of silver ion technology has been increasing rapidly in the past few years and even more so in the recent months. The FDA has approved medical devices such as catheters, as well as topical film and fabric dressings, that release silver ions to prevent infection and heal tissue. According to the doctors using them in hospitals, these silver ion products are demonstrating superb performance and far outperforming traditional antibiotics. A system for releasing silver ions into the water supply has been approved by the FDA for preventing the germ that causes Legionnaires' Disease and is now beginning to be installed in hospitals. Technology for introducing silver ions into public water systems for sanitation is now being licensed to a growing number of countries and is also being used in pharmacies to sterilize equipment and instruments. A silver coating is now being used to prevent cross-contamination on household items such as cutting boards and bath mats and a major pharmaceutical company has recently introduced a tooth brush that incorporates this technology for killing bacteria in the mouth. Invision International has focused its efforts exclusively on what it sees as the much broader area of disease prevention and treatment, developing products to be used directly in or on the body. The worldwide antibiotic market is in the realm of $15-billion. In vivo trials, wherein the product is tested on humans who have actual disease conditions (rather than in test tubes or petri dishes in
Re: CSRevision of Book
We resell your book, and I found what I preceive as several inaccuracies in it. I just received another shipment of them a couple of days ago, so let me pull one out and read it again, marking anything that I feel might be in error. Since we have also been doing independent research, it might be worthwhile for us to get on the phone together. All in all though I think the book is excellent, and have recommended it many times. Marshall silver...@aol.com wrote: Hi silver-listers... I am new to the list. I am impressed by the intelligent responses I've read, I am quite humbled. I thought I would take advantage of your great minds. :) I am revising my book, The Wonders of Colloidal Silver. First of all, I am taking out any reference to AA-Micro and the selling of any product. We put that in originally because there were very few people selling colloidal silver products and people wanted to know where to find them. My father was a brilliant chemist and we had fun working together. Unfortunately, he died two years ago. Since I don't want to hand out wrong or misleading information, I'd like to know if you are aware of any information in the book that is incorrect. I have been doing a lot more research, and the information I have gathered will be added to the book, but I would also like to know what you might want added. I am open to any ideas. I am also collecting more testimonials. The price of the book will be lowered, and if I could find a less expensive printer, I could lower the price substantially. any suggestions? I would appreciate and welcome all responses. Thank you so much. Dhyana silver...@aol.com co-author of The Wonders of Colloidal Silver -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Chuck/meters
Hey Chuck, thanks, that's very helpful. Now what do you mean when you say If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver electrodes, you will know the current going through your water. I have the bob beck silver pulser and the electrodes are not detacheable -- does in series mean I would have to put the meter between the electrode and the wire that leads to it? I guess I could dismantle it and figure out how to reattatch. Suggestions? Thanks, Katarina On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:45:56 -0700, Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com wrote: Bill suggested I get a volt-ohm meter from radio shack that reads in the milli-ohms range. Someone else, I think Chuck - said one should get a digital multimeter from Radio shack. Are they the same thing? I would like to get only one more meter and be done with meter buying A volt-ohm meter is a multimeter, so named because they usually measure voltage(volts), resistance (ohms), and current( amps, milliamps). Cheap ones are usually accurate enough for general experimental and household use. They come in two types. Analog, which reads as a pointer on a scale, or digital, which reads out as numbers on a screen. Digital is easier to use by far. Used to be very expensive, not anymore. Well worth any difference in price over a analog in the same range. If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver electrodes, you will know the current going through your water. Distilled water will start with a very low current (usually about 0.25ma or less). As your process continues, the current will gradually rise. You should stop the process before you get above 2.5ma). This usually takes less than an hour. If your starting current is NOT low, your water is contaminated. If it doesn't rise, you've pulled a Marsha. Keep it to yourself... Chuck -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Harvey/bad cs
Hey Harvey -- I don't think it was that because I had just made a decent batch of cs using other water in the same glass and all I do between batches is rinse with distilled water. But you are right -- who knows. Unfortunately I didn't try it with the bad water again -- which I should have. Katarina I suggest the glass you used for the second batch may have been contaminated somehow. Perhaps the dishwater soap wasn't thoroughly rinsed out. Try another batch but rinse the glass and electrodes with distilled water beforehand. Harvey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Marshall/thanks
Hey Marshall, that makes me fel better since I drank all of the previous batch. It seemed okay and kept it's tyndall and clarity for a month. Katarina Katarina Wittich wrote: Hey everyone -- I just made a batch of cs with my usual setup and some distilled water which made clear cs with a strong tyndall in about 1/2 hr a few weeks ago. I immediately capped the bottle of water after using it and it has been sitting untouched for three weeks. The new batch of cs that I made following the same procedure (no salt, room temp, wipe electrodes and stir every 15 min) is a grey tinged milky cloudy solution that is scary to look at. It started to fill the glass with milky solution within minutes. What could cause this? How does water go bad in a few weeks? Most likely absorbing gases from the air, primarily carbon dioxide making carbonic acid. Does that mean that the water I used before was already probably contaminated and I was unwittingly making silver compounds? Probably not if the previous batch was ok. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Marshall/meter
Hey Marshall, is that why Chuck suggests putting it in series - thereby using the actual silver electrodes to measure the resistance? Is that possible? Katarina Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:26:52 -0500 From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeter question Message-ID: 3834b56c.5c00f...@execonn.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please, if you use a VOM or multimeter for measuring the resistance of water, throw it out after the measurement, or use silver wire for the probes. The probes can be solder or nickel plated, and when you measure the water, the metal can be stripped off and goes into the water. Solder is typically 40% lead, and nickel isn't much better. You don't want to drink either of them. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Chuck/canola
Hey Chuck, do you remember more of what the scary report said -- other than that it was genetically engineered from something toxic which I guess is enough for me to stop using it. Unfortunately I don't eat dairy any more and the only decent non-hydrogenated butter substitutes I've found contain canola oil. Katarina Yeah, I read a scary report about canola oil, and we stopped using it. Switched to olive oils instead. Did you know you can get spray Pam with olive oil? Chuck 42--The answer to life, the universe, and everything -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Bil/resistance reading
Hi Bil, I'm hopelessly non technical -- so how do I measure the voltage at the electrodes??? Attatch your meter leads in series what does that mean? can you describe in more detail? Unfortunately my generator is the bob beck silver pulser and the electrodes are not removeable so I have a feeling I might have to do some dismantling to do this. Might be easier to get silver electrodes for the meter -- or would that be less accurate? Katarina Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:36:53 -0800 From: 2001 TV VCR x2...@qnet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeter question Message-ID: 003901bf3247$b4f0a5c0$6bd4d...@x2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you want to accurately and safely measure the resistance of the water first measure the voltage at the silver electrodes. Now attach your meter leads in series with the voltage to one of the electrodes and switch the meter to measure milliamps. Divide the voltage reading by the amp reading (convert milliamps to amps by moving the decimal point three places to the left) - this is the resistance. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS/aloe/msm turning pink
Hi Guys, I made a batch of cs and aloe and msm for my husband to use on a sore finger and after a few hours it turned pink. Another batch of cs and msm only also turned pink. However, the new cs I just made did not turn pink when combined with msm. Any ideas? Does pink mean useless for external or damaging in any way? Katarina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Marshall/meter
We monitor our production real time by putting a current meter in series with the electrodes and a voltage meter across them. It is possible, but for HVAC method you have to realize that the conductivity changes drastically with termerature, and this method puts lot of energy in the water. Marshall Katarina Wittich wrote: Hey Marshall, is that why Chuck suggests putting it in series - thereby using the actual silver electrodes to measure the resistance? Is that possible? Katarina Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:26:52 -0500 From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeter question Message-ID: 3834b56c.5c00f...@execonn.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please, if you use a VOM or multimeter for measuring the resistance of water, throw it out after the measurement, or use silver wire for the probes. The probes can be solder or nickel plated, and when you measure the water, the metal can be stripped off and goes into the water. Solder is typically 40% lead, and nickel isn't much better. You don't want to drink either of them. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Marshall/meters
Hi Marshall, What do you mean by putting a voltage meter across them? This wouldn't apply to me anyhow, would it - since my setup is the bob beck silver pulser and is not HVAC. See, the problem is that I need someone to do a real dummy explanation for me -- like, you take one probe from the meter and you atattch it to the positive electrode that sort of stuff. Thanks, Katarina We monitor our production real time by putting a current meter in series with the electrodes and a voltage meter across them. It is possible, but for HVAC method you have to realize that the conductivity changes drastically with termerature, and this method puts lot of energy in the water. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS/aloe/msm turning pink
Please check the archives. It has been reported serveral times that aloe vera is usually acidic, and that if you make CS acidic you will get particle aggregation, and if you get particle aggregation CS will go from clear, to yellow to orange to pink and so forth. Buy a pool ph kit, and mix sufficient baking soda with the aloe vera and CS to bring the ph up to 7. That should solve that problem. We tested with HVAC clear CS and aloe vera and found that it would aggregate and settle out in about 3 days unless we neutralized the aloe vera, in which case I have some in the fridge that has been there or over 3 months and still looks good. Marshall Katarina Wittich wrote: Hi Guys, I made a batch of cs and aloe and msm for my husband to use on a sore finger and after a few hours it turned pink. Another batch of cs and msm only also turned pink. However, the new cs I just made did not turn pink when combined with msm. Any ideas? Does pink mean useless for external or damaging in any way? Katarina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSjewel weed, fleas, soy oil
In a message dated 11/19/1999 5:15:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, fernwo...@aol.com writes: Could anyone explain what the problem is with soy oil? Well, I don't think this would apply to soy OIL, but some people have problems with digesting soy protein (like me). Nellie Christ, my all -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS5,10,20ppm?
Bill, Leaving aside any debate on particle size etc. the concentration of the CS one ingests does not matter. One simply needs to adjust the dose to suit. It makes little difference to the body if you take 1tsp of 20ppm or 2tsp of 10ppm. Silver 100 do say that 5 -10 is optimum because you cannot generate higher ionic content electrically, which in my opinion is rubbish. Ivan - Original Message - From: Hutt William J (Bill) DLPC hut...@ncsc.navy.mil To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, 19 November 1999 03:25 Subject: CS5,10,20ppm? What is the recommended(consensus) ppm concentration should one ingest? 5 - 10ppm is what I am seeing on other web sites. They don't explain as to why 5 - 10ppm is the optimum concentration. How did they come up with this number? The web site www.silver100.com states that the number of ions are limited and you don't get any more above 10ppm. How critical are the ions as far as CS effectiveness? BillH -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSresearch studies wanted
Help... Are there any research studies or substantiated scientific data conducted by M.D's or by a credentialed medical research group in a University or private research institution which verify the alleged efficacy of collodial silver - based on clinical trials? Dhyana -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSCindy - rabbit treatment
Cindy, In experiments Rabbits were protected from streptococci septicemia and not harmed by the injection of 3 cc of 40ppm silver colloid. This would be equivalent to 12mls of 10ppm CS, and higher amounts orally would probably cause no harm. An eye dropper sounds appropriate. You might also consider mixing CS with a small amount of DMSO (the unoxidised form of MSM, available at veterinary supply outlets) and administer directly to affected area. DMSO has the property of transporting compounds through the dermal layer and through out the body. Be careful with DMSO as it will transport toxins found on the skin surface of the administerer (?) also. Ivan - Original Message - From: Cindy Powell suns...@networld.com Ivan, I am also wondering what your recommendation would be for dosing my rabbit internally? I would basically have to give him the whole dose with an eye dropper because he doesn't like anything added to his drinking water. Still a little scared about the good bacteria die off because his health is a little fragile as it is, but I may have to get more aggressive with some sort of therapy. Well wishes, Cindy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Chuck/canola
On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:49:03 -0700, Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com wrote: Hey Chuck, do you remember more of what the scary report said -- other than that it was genetically engineered from something toxic which I guess is enough for me to stop using it. Unfortunately I don't eat dairy any more and the only decent non-hydrogenated butter substitutes I've found contain canola oil. Katarina I'll try it as an attachment. Chuck Gravity isn't MY fault--I voted for velcro! Title: Beware of the toxicity of canola oil! a Consumer alert! Beware of Canola Oil Canola oil comes from the rape seed, which is part of the mustard family of plants. Rape is the most toxic of all food-oil plants. Like soy, rape is a weed. Insects will not eat it; it is deadly poisonous! The oil from the rape seed is a hundred times more toxic than soy oil. Welcome to...Toxicity of Canola Oil A nonprofit, educational web site This site is always under construction, so check in often to see what's new at Shirley's Wellness Caf Last update 4/21/99--- Check the updated list ---Contact Shirley---About Shirley--- Home USE OF THIS SITE SIGNIFIES YOUR AGREEMENT TO THE DISCLAIMER Don't Forget: Bookmark This Page! The following excerpt is from John Thomas' new book: Young again: How to Reverse the Aging Process published by Promotion Publishing, San Diego This excerpt has been edited especially for Perceptions magazine March/April 1996 Perceptions magazine is dedicated to the wholeness of life and sovereignty of the human being. They believe that to be truly free, you must have control of your political environment, access to crucial health information, and exposure to concepts that expand consciousness. The magazine is designed to bridge the differences between political ideologies and to bring people together. phone: 310 - 313-5185 / fax: 310 - 313-5198 Blindness, Mad Cow Disease and Canola Oil By John Thomas Millions of people have suffered the loss of their vision from glaucoma, a disease involving atrophy (deterioration) of the optic nerve. For years, experts have been telling us that glaucoma results from fluid-pressure buildup in the eye that causes the optic nerve to deteriorate. This theory was based on an incorrect medical model: They were wrong! Now, the experts have admitted that this is not true and have given birth to a new theory. According to it, glaucoma is instead caused by a deficiency of of oxygen and blood flow. Finally they are on the right trail. In the end, they will discover that glaucoma is the result of insufficient blood flow due to agglutination (clumping together) of the red blood cells and waste buildup in the cells and intercellular fluids. These blood-corpuscle clusters cannot squeeze through the extremely tiny capillaries in the posterior of the eye, so cannot deliver oxygen to the mitochondria.1 This is what the problem has been all along, and if people continue to eat soy*2* and canola oils, a lot more of them are going to experience vision irregularities - like retinitis and macula lutea*3* degeneration. Death of the mitochondria in the cells in the posterior of the eye is due to oxygen starvation, sodium toxicity and waste accumulation. When the mitochondria die, the cells die and the posterior eye tissues atrophy. In this respect, glaucoma has much in common with hair loss, Alzheimer's disease, multiple sclerosis, cerebral palsy and hearing problems. There are several things a person can do to reverse these debilitating conditions. Biologically friendly water*4* is basic to all rejuvenation, as is fresh, viable food. Detoxification of the tissues and body fluids is accomplished with yucca extract, Kombucha tea,5 PACs*6* and colon therapy. Rape Seed Oil or Canola? Canola is a coined word. It appeared out of nowhere and is not listed in any but the most recent reference sources. The flip side of the canola coin reads: rape! You must admit that canola sounds better than rape. The name canola disguised the introduction of rape oil to America. Canola oil comes from the rape seed, which is part of the mustard family of plants. Rape is the most toxic of all food-oil plants. Like soy, rape is a weed. Insects will not eat it; it is deadly poisonous! The oil from the rape seed is a hundred times more toxic than soy oil. Canola is a semi-drying oil that is used as lubricant, fuel, soap and synthetic rubber base, and as an illuminant for the slick color pages you see in magazines. It is an industrial oil and does not belong in the body! Canola oil has some very interesting characteristics and effects on living systems. For example, it forms latex-like substances that agglutinate the red blood corpuscles, as does soy, but much more pronounced. Loss of vision is a known, characteristic side effect of rape oil which antagonizes the central and peripheral nervous systems=20 again like soy oil, again worse.
CSRe: acidic aloe vera/Marshall
Hi Marshall, Thanks for the info. I remembered there being something on the list, but couldn't remember what. I've got some ph paper and will check it out. Katarina Please check the archives. It has been reported serveral times that aloe vera is usually acidic, and that if you make CS acidic you will get particle aggregation, and if you get particle aggregation CS will go from clear, to yellow to orange to pink and so forth. Buy a pool ph kit, and mix sufficient baking soda with the aloe vera and CS to bring the ph up to 7. That should solve that problem. We tested with HVAC clear CS and aloe vera and found that it would aggregate and settle out in about 3 days unless we neutralized the aloe vera, in which case I have some in the fridge that has been there or over 3 months and still looks good. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSJewel weed
The other common name is touch me not. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff SE Tenn. bobratl...@iname.com ICQ 1495914 I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian. Few women admit their age, Few men act it! Subscribe:instinctive-eating-subscr...@onelist.com -Original Message- From: Liz Pavek [mailto:liz...@frontiernet.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 3:12 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSJewel weed Seems like this plant was discussed pretty thoroughly a while back, but I've forgotten what the other common name for it was. Is it marketed anywere, and if so, what is its brand name? Liz -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS5,10,20ppm?
So now add 599,641 non-magnetic bits for every magnet and see how often one magnet strikes another, especially as the glue will bind non-magnetic bits to each magnet. This is about the number of water molecules for every silver ion in 10ppm CS. 20ppm has 299,820 water molecules for each silver ion. The fact that it might be difficult for some to generate higher concentrations of colloidal silver with small particle size says more about the generating apparatus and process than the ability of the sol to maintain discrete ions. There is of course a constant aggregation at any concentration, but the speed of this can be very, very slow, especially when you realise that the ions are surrounded by a layer of water molecules, aligned to neutralise the charge at the edge of the diffuse double layer, and that the ions and surrounding water layer, which it drags with it, must strike each other with a particular energy and orientation before the van der Waals attractive force will bind them together. Add to this the seeming requirement to form ordered fractal arrangements of a certain number of particles or ions, and you can see why this process may take years. A concentration will be reached when the process of aggregation is in the order of days or even hours, but that concentration I think would be far higher than can be manufactured by the best electrolysis equipment. I believe it is the limitation of generators and processes, that cause large particle size and instability of CS, and is not an inherent characteristic of the silver sol at these concentrations. Ivan. PS. I wonder what happens to aggregates of silver ions in the stomach. I am coming to the view that the particles are broken up into discrete ions in the acid environment and are absorbed as such. Thoughts any one? - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, 19 November 1999 16:12 Subject: Re: CS5,10,20ppm? Yes that is correct. Consider a bunch of magnetics on a slick surface each repelling each other. If you shake one they all shake, but keep their distance. If you keep adding magnets then they will get closer together, and the repulsion on one side is partially cancelled by repulsion on the other side by another magnet. At some point they will start hitting each other. Now if they have glue on them, as you keep adding magnetics, at first they stay separate. At some point two will stick together, and each time you add another magnetic, two more will get close enough to stick together. So no matter how many magnets you add, at some point you stop getting more seperate magnetics, but instead just get bigger magnetics. Now the harder you jiggle them, the further they have to be apart to keep from hitting each other. This translates into temperature for CS. So you may find that 10 ppm is perfectly stable and does not aggregate at 68 F (20 C), but that you can only maintain 5 ppm at 120 F. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Me too, without any supporting documentation. I think the forces acting on the particle---the balance between repulsion and attraction---shifts when they are forced closer together. Brooks? Are you listening? Why the 5 PPM you consider optimum? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 3:03 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS5,10,20ppm? Hutt William J (Bill) DLPC wrote: What is the recommended(consensus) ppm concentration should one ingest? 5 - 10ppm is what I am seeing on other web sites. They don't explain as to why 5 - 10ppm is the optimum concentration. How did they come up with this number? The web site www.silver100.com states that the number of ions are limited and you don't get any more above 10ppm. How critical are the ions as far as CS effectiveness? This coincides with our findings. Once you hit about 8 ppm, you don't get more particles but get bigger particles. From a theoratical standpoint the more particles the better, the bigger the particles the worse. Larger particles are less stable (more likely to fall out of colloid), and less likely to make it through the stomach lining into the blood stream, and less nimble. That is why I produce 5 PPM. I believe that the effectiveness of CS per ounce tends to peak in the area of 5 to 10 PPM, and drops off at higher or lower concentrations. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html
Re: CSvaccines
see www.909shot.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSIvan/heavy water question
Katarina, I am not sure that it is damaging as such, after all it has been present in all the water ever consumed, but there may be benefits for energy utilisation with less in the system. Also http://www.hydros.com/ claim that their deuterium depleted water can inhibit cancer and other ailments that involve rampant cell division. You wont be any worse for not skimming the water, and I don't really know if it works or not (works in theory). I am going to set up a fractionising distillation apparatus which I know will produce deuterium restricted water and test it out. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com To: Silver A silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, 19 November 1999 11:18 Subject: CSIvan/heavy water question Hi Ivan, I've been freezing water to structure it -- but this skimming off the surface ice is a real pain. How damaging is heavy water? What does it do? Do you think it's necessary to skim? Thanks so much, Katarina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSOT/Kris/Soy Canola oil
For those interested in the history of oils and why they are bad for us, and the 'bill of goods' we have been sold: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/OilingAmerica.1.html Also soy online service is back on line, for info about the negative properties of soy products: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ particularly interesting is the affect of Phytates on mineral absorption, (thanks Harvey): http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/soy_toxins.htm Regards Ivan - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, 19 November 1999 15:00 Subject: RE: CSOT/Kris/Soy Canola oil Hi guys, I am quite interested in these two substances. The best tortillas in Santa Fe are made with Canola. I like to get my grimey plumber's hands cleane(r) by washing dishes. But: It is now being shown that the rise in heart attacks (MI s, mostly I think) exactly followed the switch from animal fat to trans-fats and hydrogenated industrial vegetable oils. In the early 1900s heart attacks were considered a rare and unusual disease. Look for Mary Enig on web. Apparently the vegi-oil benefits are mostly a con by the commodities cartels. Paid-off and threatened researchers and professional journals and all. The folks who ate muffins (not that kind) and oat meal ...yes, their cholesterol dropped, compared with the pig fat snarffers.But the guys who got the bacon had fewer heart problems in spite of high cholesterol! Most everything we think we know is a lie. Anyway, (tripping on an untied shoelace and loosing his focus and falling off the soapbox) I would very much appreciate if anyone runs across any good stuff on the benefit/risk of Canola oil and/or laurel sulfate, please point me in the right direction. Remember they can call it a whole bunch of names: surfactants, ammonium laurel sulfate, and a zillion others. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSresearch studies wanted
Dhyana, there is a company that goes by the name Medical Discoveries (stock symbol MLSC) that is doing research at Dana Farber on their saline solution that is likely a form of colloidal silver. This company has a gentleman CEO by the name of Lee Kulas that is very confident that MDI-P will make it to the big time. Lee Kulas was former CEO of a company known as AVEI, a nasdaq company that traded in the fifties until it was acquired. He is very experienced and well connected in the medical devices and pharmaceutical industry. Their product is protected by several patents and has shown activity against the AIDS virus. The symbol for this company is MLSC. I am keeping a watch over this one because of the Lee Kulas involvement. This company also is launching a dermal patch that is supposed to be effective for scarring and possibly wrinkles. You may access company research information at: http://quote.yahoo.com/?u Company phone number should be included in this information. Please Let us know what you find out. You may wish to ask MLSC managment specifically how their MDI-P product differs from colloidal silver. They are pretty tight lipped, but I am suspecting that they have some kind of variation of colloidal silver, or silver compound. They are claiming that MDI-P kill time is under a minute. I do think that those involved with this company possess character and integrity, and they have been able to secure research grants in the past, which adds to their credibility. Well wishes, Cindy -Original Message- From: silver...@aol.com silver...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 5:27 PM Subject: CSresearch studies wanted Help... Are there any research studies or substantiated scientific data conducted by M.D's or by a credentialed medical research group in a University or private research institution which verify the alleged efficacy of collodial silver - based on clinical trials? Dhyana -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSFree TDS meter
I'll betcha the resolution is about 10 PPM at the bottom end. I don't know for sure, but it probably will not read to the right of the decimal point at all. We are interested in 0.9 and lower. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSFree TDS meter I just ran across this site that says that they will send you a free TDS (total dissolved solids) meter to check your water with before/after making CS. http://www.pureroyalty.com/freemeter.htm Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Chuck/meters
Chuck, I'm not familiar with what the pulser has for an output (frequency, etc). It sounds like something more than flat DC. Do you know? I'm just wondering how well it would meter. Jeff (Two can live as cheaply as one... for half as long.) Charles King wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:35:29 -0700, Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com wrote: Now what do you mean when you say If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver electrodes, you will know the current going through your water. I have the bob beck silver pulser and the electrodes are not detacheable -- does in series mean I would have to put the meter between the electrode and the wire that leads to it? I guess I could dismantle it and figure out how to reattatch. Suggestions? My comments referred to adding a milliamp meter to the simplest of setups. That is: 3 battery, 2 clipleads, 2 silver electrodes that are bent to clip on the edge of a glass of distilled water. Anything else will take some simple innovation. If your device is complete with silver electrodes attached, you'll have to leave your device on the bench and use seperate new silver as above. Run one clip lead from the meter to one of the electrodes on the Beck device. Run one cliplead from the other meter terminal to a new silver electrode on the glass. Run a third cliplead from the other Beck electrode to the other silver electrode on the glass. Set the meter to read current, or milliamps (depend on your meter). If you draw it out, it's pretty simple. Chuck if you think education is expensive -- try ignorance. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSIonic silver vs. CS
Uh oh. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Hutt William J (Bill) DLPC [SMTP:hut...@ncsc.navy.mil] Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 1:43 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSIonic silver vs. CS What is the difference between Ionic silver and CS? How do you make Ionic silver? BillH -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Chuck/meters
On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:52:19 -0500, Jeffrey A. Madore k...@uconect.net wrote: I'm not familiar with what the pulser has for an output (frequency, etc). It sounds like something more than flat DC. Do you know? I'm just wondering how well it would meter. Oh, you're right, I didn't notice she said pulser. Bummer! Chuck Everyone is a damn fool for at least five minutes a day; wisdom consists of not exceeding the limit -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Chuck/meters
Hi Chuck, first, thank you for the indeed very scary article on Canola oil. Next -- more questions. Assume my total ignorance - so - does a multimeter come with three clipleads? Is a cliplead one of those little alligator clip things and I can just clip it onto the Beck electrode at the top? So, essentially what I am doing is getting a new piece of silver wire for an electrode -- does it matter what thickness or length? (oh Marsha, if you are lurking I may need you) Then I am attatching that electrode and one of the Beck electrodes (does it matter which one?) to the leads coming from the two terminals of the meter. I am then connecting the remaining Beck electrode to the one coming from the meter with another piece of wire with two clip leads on it -- I assume I do this at the top of the electrodes. Then when I turn the Beck generator on the meter should be able to read the milliamps. I think I understand -- does it sound right? Will the third electrode affect my silver generating process? Do I take it out and wipe it too? Thanks, Katarina Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:57:02 -0500 From: Charles King ck...@global2000.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Chuck/meters Message-ID: q2ob3ssbgt8fdp6tb5dh6dn25rt2n76...@4ax.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:35:29 -0700, Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com wrote: Now what do you mean when you say If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver electrodes, you will know the current going through your water. I have the bob beck silver pulser and the electrodes are not detacheable -- does in series mean I would have to put the meter between the electrode and the wire that leads to it? I guess I could dismantle it and figure out how to reattatch. Suggestions? My comments referred to adding a milliamp meter to the simplest of setups. That is: 3 battery, 2 clipleads, 2 silver electrodes that are bent to clip on the edge of a glass of distilled water. Anything else will take some simple innovation. If your device is complete with silver electrodes attached, you'll have to leave your device on the bench and use seperate new silver as above. Run one clip lead from the meter to one of the electrodes on the Beck device. Run one cliplead from the other meter terminal to a new silver electrode on the glass. Run a third cliplead from the other Beck electrode to the other silver electrode on the glass. Set the meter to read current, or milliamps (depend on your meter). If you draw it out, it's pretty simple. Chuck if you think education is expensive -- try ignorance. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Mike D./Meters
Hi Mike, it was me. I am baffled by this meter stuff, so please bear with me. First I use the PWT to make sure the water is good. I assume I do this by sticking some sort of probe in the water. Do I want to avoid doing it in the water that is going to become the cs? will it contaminate it? Then - if I make a batch the way I normally do - how do I use the conductivity meter to read it at the end. Do I just stick two electrodes that come with the meter into my cs? Will they contaminate it as Marshall warns? Do electrodes come with the meter?? Or is it clip leads? Help!! I'll have better questions once I buy the meter - I'm sure. Katarina Hi Kat, Was it you that just said she ordered a PWT from Hanna? I'd say at this point the easiest thing for you to do is to make a batch the way you usually do, whatever it is, and measure it at the end with the conductivity meter. Then just use the conductivity meter reading to help you repeat from one batch to the next, ie, go until done. Be well, Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS SILVER PULSER? (Electronic Healing)
If you are talking about the Silver Pulser by Sota Instruments (the one approved by Bob Beck), here is some info and spec's. This is supposed to be very powerful in killing viruses, bacteria and any other foreign organisms in the blood. Probably much more effective if taking CS too. I have built a number of these as well as the Magnetic Pulse Generator, another powerful Baddie Blaster which we can discuss at a later date. Silver Pulser spec's and general usage info: Battery Voltage: 9 Volts DC (Alkaline Battery) Output Voltage at Colloidal Silver Probes: 27 Volts DC, +/- 1 Volt Output Current: 20 milliamps maximum when silver wires are shorted Ionic-Colloid Silver Production: 3 - 5ppm (parts per million) for 20 minutes for 8-16 ounces distilled water. Ionic-Colloid Silver Particle Size: Mostly ionic, with colloidal particles in the range of 0.005 - 0.015 microns when made as directed. Silver Wire Life: Can make approximately 80 gallons of 3 - 5 ppm ionic-colloidal silver per set of silver wires, when made as directed. Output Voltage at Gold Stimulator Probes: 27 Volts (Peak per Cycle, 54 Volts Peak-Peak) Bi-Phasic at ~3.92 Hertz (cycles per second) +/- 1 Hz This conforms to Dr. Beck's specifications exactly. Output Current at Gold Stimulator Probes: ~25 milliamps maximum when probes shorted and control knob on full intensity. You apply the gold probes to your wrist (on either side of the artery) and a few hundred microamps (less than a thousandth of one amp flow thru the blood - not anywhere near enough current to cause damage to your tissues). Treatment time is usually 1/2 hour to 2 hours. Bil - Original Message - From: Jeffrey A. Madore k...@uconect.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 6:52 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Chuck/meters Chuck, I'm not familiar with what the pulser has for an output (frequency, etc). It sounds like something more than flat DC. Do you know? I'm just wondering how well it would meter. Jeff (Two can live as cheaply as one... for half as long.) Charles King wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:35:29 -0700, Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com wrote: Now what do you mean when you say If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver electrodes, you will know the current going through your water. I have the bob beck silver pulser and the electrodes are not detacheable -- does in series mean I would have to put the meter between the electrode and the wire that leads to it? I guess I could dismantle it and figure out how to reattatch. Suggestions? My comments referred to adding a milliamp meter to the simplest of setups. That is: 3 battery, 2 clipleads, 2 silver electrodes that are bent to clip on the edge of a glass of distilled water. Anything else will take some simple innovation. If your device is complete with silver electrodes attached, you'll have to leave your device on the bench and use seperate new silver as above. Run one clip lead from the meter to one of the electrodes on the Beck device. Run one cliplead from the other meter terminal to a new silver electrode on the glass. Run a third cliplead from the other Beck electrode to the other silver electrode on the glass. Set the meter to read current, or milliamps (depend on your meter). If you draw it out, it's pretty simple. Chuck if you think education is expensive -- try ignorance. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS SILVER PULSER? (Electronic Healing)
On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:29:44 -0800, 2001 TV VCR x2...@qnet.com wrote: Silver Pulser spec's and general usage info: Battery Voltage: 9 Volts DC (Alkaline Battery) Output Voltage at Colloidal Silver Probes: 27 Volts DC, +/- 1 Volt Output Current: 20 milliamps maximum when silver wires are shorted Oh, okay, When I saw pulser, I thought this was one of those current reversing devices. Apparently, Becks device is straight DC when using it for CS generating. So, my meter suggestion stands ok in my last post. Chuck I started out with nothing and still have most of it left. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
