CSOT -- Sea salt...
Pure sea salt is literally the best mineral/trace element nutritional supplement you can find. I don't disagree with anything you said in your post, Bill, but have a question... What source do you recommend? There are brands of sea salt, both iodized and not (Yes, I know, avoid the iodized) that come in paper cartons just like table salt. They're quite inexpensive. Then there's the Celtic sea salt that comes in plastic bags, still damp, in several grades of grind, and cost an arm and a leg. I'm talking 20 USD for a pound or two at the Health Food Store! Just curious. Mike D. (Yes, it's off topic. If there's more than a handful of followup posts, then we switch to silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com) [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: CSTeen brain pain
The teen is a boy, a friend of my daughter's, and I don't know what drugs or street drugs he might take. Perhaps I cannot provide enough information to do much good. I only have a general description of his problem, as well. Thanks for the ideas. Nancy W -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: CSTeen brain pain
Just one more thought. Dehydration can cause headaches, which can be relieved by drinking water. This is not uncommon, especially among those with high caffeine intake. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Tad Winiecki [mailto:winie...@pacifier.com] Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 10:32 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: CSTeen brain pain The teen is a boy, a friend of my daughter's, and I don't know what drugs or street drugs he might take. Perhaps I cannot provide enough information to do much good. I only have a general description of his problem, as well. Thanks for the ideas. Nancy W -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNewbie/Particle Size
The store bought CS can be MSP [mild silver protein] Chemically precipitated [not electro colloidal at all] Poorly made HVAC [High voltage AC complete with nitrates]...well made HVAC is very good, but who made it and how? Large particle LVDC [low voltage DC] What color is it? Pale Yellow? well, OK...not the best. Bright florescent yellow?..probably a chemical precipiate. Brown? uh...plant food? or it can be very good electro-colloidal silver But how do you know? The labels aren't extremly descriptive and you can't open the bottle and THEN buy it. Finally, ALL store bought CS is way too expensive no matter how good or bad it is when you can do at least as well if not a whole lot better with a home made generator at around $1 per gallon and almost can't miss doing better than commercial CS with a good generator made to do the job automatically. You can buy a current controlled automatic generator for between $75 and $200 that will make a lifetime supply for your great grand kids just by replacing the electrodes. At a mere $5 per oz for storebought..a VERY low price...even a $200 generator will more than pay for itself in the first week AND, if you don't like it for ANY reason within 30 days you can get a full refund, no questions asked. [At least 2 of the top 3 constant current generator makers offer this option and guarantee..Trem and I] The less expensive uncontrolled generators will work too, but require a lot of attention and know how to get the same results..and they're not that much less costly. Check out these websites. silvergen.com [Trem is on this list..a good person to deal with] silverpuppy.com [That's me..no horn tooting] wishgranted.com [Vince..not on this list so far as I know. Have heard no real complaints.] The lowest common denominators are time and overhead. Commercial concerns cannot afford the time to make CS that slowly and every person in the distribution chain takes a big cut of what you pay. Ken At 11:13 AM 8/24/02 -0700, you wrote: From: rwtnbch...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:20:17 EDT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Newbie/Particle Size Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:20:54 -0700 I¹m not very familiar with the use if colloidal silver so I though I'd drop in and listen for a while. I usually use herbal and nutrition therapies. I recentlyheard that the particle size makes a big difference in whether or not cs is safe or not. Is this true? Thanks, Becky Hi Becky, particle size has nothing to do with safety only effectiveness -- in this case, smaller is better. If you decide to buy some CS to try it , I am certain that you are safe. What problem are you trying to cure? Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it...
I can't address the benefits of sea salt over table salt for CS-making purposes, but I can tell you there is a world of difference in the two. Pure unprocessed sea salt is actually healthy for you, because it contains 82 minerals and trace elements which are stripped from common table salt, which is sold to the unsuspecting consumer as the real thing. Table salt is just sodium and chloride, which induces heart problems in millions every year, and is the first thing to go when heart problems start. Pure sea salt tastes so much better than table salt that there is no comparison, and its addition to foods brings out wonderful flavors never tasted before with table salt, which tends to overpower everything it is applied to. Pure sea salt is literally the best mineral/trace element nutritional supplement you can find. - Original Message - From: Barbara Liles ba...@netease.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:55 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... Thanks for the info. So, is the sea salt good, bad or indifferent? - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... Barbara Liles wrote: Sorry Marshall. I re-read my post and it confused me. Let me try again. What I meant to say is some generators I read about are using 3 Batteries rather than 2. When making CS are we trying to get equal charge from a negative silver wire and a positive silver wire? The difference between 2 and 3 batteries is simply 18 or 27 volts. The currents at both electrodes will be the same, as per Norton analysis. That is current travels in a loop, and is equal at all points in the loop. Then, to make a good brew, does the solution need to be stirred? Most here report better results if the CS is stirred during making it. This can be with a bubbler, a mechanical stirer, or even a slight heat source on one side for convection stiring. Also, does the distance between the two silver wires make a difference. Yes it does, but I don't have any data on that since I do not use the LVDC method myself. When I first started making mine, I was told that my spring water would work and didn't need the distilled water. I know it worked to some extent, but the more I read on the list, the more I realize that the minerals in natural spring water must have an effect on my finished product so I switched to distilled. That was a good decision. The spring water produced a cloudy brew whereas the distilled water made it clear. The spring water probably had some salts in it, calcium chloride, calcium carbonate, potassium or sodium chloride. These would react with any silver ions as they come off the wire producting silver carbonate or silver chloride. Most silver compounds have very low solubility, so they tend to make the water cloudy until it settles out. Also, since we are going back to Silver 101, when using sea salt which makes the brew yellow, is this an indicator of particle size? I know it makes it faster, but what is it making faster? It increases the conductivity, thus increasing current and the rate of silver removal from the wire. This leads me to wonder about IV use. Since sodium chloride IV solution is salty, does that change the structure of the CS. I generally use D5W thinking that the salt would change the structure. It seems that silver ions will quickly combine with the chlorine in NaCl and form a cloudy solution with then settles out over time. I am not sure just what happens if you put silver chloride directly into the blood. Just learning so any information is helpful. I'm still back tracking the achieves attempting to not ask questions that you old timers have addressed before, but that is a slow process. We may be old timers, but we keep learning as well. I would NEVER have thought that taking large amounts of HVAC CS would do what they did to my fingernails. That is a new data point for me. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT: Headaches, Asthma, Emphysema etc. (was: Teen brain pain)
Nancy: Hyperventilation (deep-type breathing) can cause a variety of promblems, incl. headaches, dizziness, etc. Check out the following sites: http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm http://www.buteyko.co.nz/ Sonja - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:59 AM Subject: RE: CSRe: CSTeen brain pain Just one more thought. Dehydration can cause headaches, which can be relieved by drinking water. This is not uncommon, especially among those with high caffeine intake. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Tad Winiecki [mailto:winie...@pacifier.com] Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 10:32 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: CSTeen brain pain The teen is a boy, a friend of my daughter's, and I don't know what drugs or street drugs he might take. Perhaps I cannot provide enough information to do much good. I only have a general description of his problem, as well. Thanks for the ideas. Nancy W -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT -- Sea salt...
I can't recommend a particular brand, since I live in Southern Mexico, and buy mine raw and unlabelled, from roadside stands in communities surrounding lagoons where it is harvested. It costs me about $1US per kilo (2.2 pounds). I am aware of the Celtic sea salt, and have read of their careful harvesting techniques, and am sure it is a good product. However, it is very pricey. Since pure sea salt is basically the same around the world (with minor variations for localized mineral content), a choice of one that is totally unprocessed should fulfill nutritional requirements. Various sea salt products, however, may contain varied pollutants, so you should choose a salt harvested in a pristine environment. (That's one of the benefits of Celtic salt, we're told.) You want to avoid mined salt, which is sometimes ancient and contains heavier amounts of local trace elements, and stay with the fresh, ocean-harvested sea salt. Mexico happens to be one of the most abundant sources of fresh sea salt in the western hemisphere because it has vast stretches of remote open oceanfront where salt can be harvested in a very pure state. Some folks swear the grey, damp salt is the best because it is fresh and unprocessed. I've tried buying commercial brands in the states, and haven't found one that I trusted as being unprocessed. Most of the info I have passed on here was gleaned from doing a google search for sea salt and reading all the various sources. Hope this helps... - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:08 AM Subject: CSOT -- Sea salt... Pure sea salt is literally the best mineral/trace element nutritional supplement you can find. I don't disagree with anything you said in your post, Bill, but have a question... What source do you recommend? There are brands of sea salt, both iodized and not (Yes, I know, avoid the iodized) that come in paper cartons just like table salt. They're quite inexpensive. Then there's the Celtic sea salt that comes in plastic bags, still damp, in several grades of grind, and cost an arm and a leg. I'm talking 20 USD for a pound or two at the Health Food Store! Just curious. Mike D. (Yes, it's off topic. If there's more than a handful of followup posts, then we switch to silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com) [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCodex arrives
If iron is toxic and has no outlet in males, I guess I'm the original iron man. My well water has at least 200PPM iron in it..so much that iron bacteria just loves the stuff and everything gets rusty looking. It tastes like a bucket of wet nails. I feel just fine after 30+ years of drinking it. My 80 yr old neighbors water is actually red/ brown from iron...almost like paint. I breath steel dust and rust dust from grinders and wire wheels quite often too. I wouldn't be surprised if I consumed a half inch nuts worth of non food iron every month...maybe the bolt too. If anything, elemental iron would scavange oxidizing free radicals. Isn't bleeding an outlet for iron? I do that sometimes too. [ouch] Two days ago I ripped a big chunk of skin off my hand. [ 1 x 1/2] I sprayed the hole and the skin flap with CS and stuck the skin back in place, covered it with a CS whetted papar towel scrap and kept it wet till it stopped bleeding. [That took a while] It is now almost healed up..no puss or puffiness despite using unsterilized tweezers and paper towel. ALL the reattached skin is still there and blending into the wound. The only scabbing is where the skin didn't stretch quite enough fill the hole. I'd say 80% healed in two days where normally a wound like that would take more than three weeks to go away with a total loss of the skin covering. [I would know. I've lost skin like that hundreds of times over many many years] The last time I did that [almost one square inch of skin ripped loose], it only took 4 days for the entire wound to turn into a thin pink line on my hand. I couldn't even find it in 5 days. Did you know that Carolina red clay is red because of iron content? Killer dust on the country road? I guess there's an awful lot of doomed rednecks around here. Good thing they [we] don't know. Ken At 07:14 PM 8/24/02 -0700, you wrote: Bill Sardi's reply (in caps) to Marshall's observations: FROM: Bill Sardi, Knowledge of Health, Inc. What does works on the skin and digestive tract mean? METALS KILLS BUGS, LIKE RUST IN WATER. GENERATES FREE RADICALS THAT KILL GERMS. But it is a heavy metal that is being induced into the body. HEAVY METALS LIKE LEAD, MERCURY, CADMIUM, WHICH SLOWLY BUILD UP IN THE BODY AND CONTRIBUTE TO DISEASE. Silver is not a heavy metal, it is a transition metal. It is totally non-toxic. WHO SAYS? SO IS IRON A TRANSITION METAL AND IT GENERATES MOST DISEASE WHEN IT IS UNBOUND. ANY OF THESE METALS CAN GENERATE TOXICITY. WHY DO ALL THE ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE FOLKS UNDERGO CHELATION THERAPY? TO GET RID OF THESE MINERALS. Long term increases disease. By what mechanism? If that were true then why do those who have used CS for years almost never get sick? I have gone from a cold or flu at least monthly to never for the last 4 years. 4 YEARS IS NOT LONG TERM. GIVE YOURSELF MORE TIME. ALSO IRON IS BUILDING UP IN YOUR TISSUES, AS OCCURS IN ALL MALES WHO HAVE NO OUTLET FOR IT. Well, maybe the iron thing is worth checking out; hadn't heard about that before. Thanks, Marshall. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: canola oil
Be aware that Nexus magazine publishes peoples beliefs and theorys. It will print anything that sounds interesting. It is not especially concerned about verifiable facts, contextual accuracies and rational perspectives. It contains both good stuff and total BS with the distinction between the various combinations being totally up to the reader. I does us all just as well to look carefully before diving into someone elses paranoia pool as it does to look carefully before being shot with a magik bullet cure all. Life ain't 'this OR that'..it's 'this AND that'...along with every combination expressed by 'and'. This particular article looks to be pretty well balanced. To me, it sayseat anything you want but don't eat just one type of thing. The key is balance, and variety increases balance. Given enough variety, the body is very wise. Scientists do their thing of artifically inducing diseases by isolating the subject from it's environment of random choices. By that token, a feed lot cow is at risk. You can do that to yourself when choices are made from the standpoint of worry. Ken [omnivore] At 04:38 PM 8/25/02 +1200, you wrote: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/Canola.html Ivan. -Original Message- From: Connie [mailto:wufn...@stargate.net] Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2002 12:55 a.m. To: silver- list; CSCats -Dogs Subject: CSOT: canola oil Could others please forward to me privately what they feel the most compelling link for NOT using canola oil? TIA, Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT -- Sea salt...
In article 003701c24cfe$11a008a0$3defe...@computer, Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx wrote: You want to avoid mined salt, which is sometimes ancient and contains heavier amounts of local trace elements, and stay with the fresh, ocean-harvested sea salt. RealSalt is a widely available mined salt. It's basically just seasalt from an ancient sea. What is it that you find objectionable about its analysis? http://www.realsalt.com/prodinfo.html Detailed analysis in PDF format: http://www.realsalt.com/images/analysis.pdf And, check out this analysis of Celtic salt: http://www.celtic-seasalt.com/celseasalan.html It looks like RealSalt has less non-NaCl content than the Celtic salt. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbuying cs instead of making it.
Bottom line: If you can see anything at all..it's not the ions you are seeing. Ions are way too small to reflect visible light. The smallest colloidal particles have no color but will reflect [refract?] visible light and can be seen as a Tyndal effect. The larger yellow colloidal particles may still be small enough to cross cell wall boundaries. If not, they don't get absorbed OR eliminated from a cell..they just pass on and do nothing in there. Even yellow CS has a high percentage of smaller colorless colloidal particles and many many ions. Since silver has no known chemical niche in mammalian cellular chemistry, and if it does cross the cell wall into the cell, so what? It can also cross the other way without doing anything at all to the cell...other than grabbing a virus along the way? What are the facts? Who knows? We deal with experience...then try to explain it. But the experience stands for itself without theory. It does what it does no matter what we might think it's doing. So far as I can determine, no one really KNOWS how silver does what it does. All theories are theories. Electricity works, but no one really knows what electricity is. Applying a theory can show the expected result and still be incomplete or even totally wrong. We pay scientists to be right and know, so they almost always sound certain that they are and do. But , historically speaking, seldom actually are totally right and never know everything about anything. ..and very few webmasters know [or care] anything at all about science. They repeat what they hear that they think will make you want to buy the product...and know that someone who is afraid will buy anything for any price. They'll quote anyone..even John Thomas who thinks mustard gas has anything at all to do with mustard. Blindness, Mad Cow Disease and Canola Oil, by John Thomas, which appeared in Perceptions magazine, March/April 1996. Some of the claims are ludicrous. Although rape is a member of the Brassica or mustard family, it is not the source of mustard gas used in chemical warfare. Isn't he the guy that also believes that contrails are something other than water vapor and that they are a new thing even when it can be photographically proven that prop planes and even ocean liners can produce them and have for over 50 years? Ken At 11:55 PM 8/24/02 -0400, you wrote: >I have been doing some reading on the silver websites lately and I see >someone saying that ionic silver crosses the cell wall. Is not that a >problem? I've always thought silver smothers anaerobically metabolizing >organisms from the outside thereby harming no aerobically metabolizing >organisms. If it crosses into the cell can it not then harm it somehow? >Also, in my early experiments of '98 I found vit.C/ascorbic acid to work the >best as an electrolyte- virtually always bringing the ions to colloidal >size-thus the yellow coloration shows itself. Making yellow colloids is what >I learned from DR. Peter Reynolds and others. I do not understand ionic. It >seems to me it is just another way of saying molecular, which I equate with >bad. Who were the first one or two people to promote ionic and where is >their research to be found. I want to be able to debunk it properly or not >at all. Can anyone answer this. >Johnny Silverseed author: >C/S @ntibiotic Superhero > >ja...@tir.com writes: > >> Hi Jan, >> >> I am a firm believer that whatever CS you buy or make, the best results >> will come from the products that contain the majority of the silver in the >> form of silver ions and any particles contained in such solution be very >> small, 10 nanometer or less in diameter, smaller is better. I believe, >> after much personal study, that products high in silver particles are >> basically useless compared to silver ion products. Why? Because silver, >> or any mineral for that matter, must be in ionic form to interact with a >> biological system. Silver particles are very stable and are not even >> effected by our stomachs hydrochloric acid. The acid content of the blood >> is very low also and does little to release ions from the silver >> particles. Blood is actually slightly basic (non-acid). pH of the plasma >> is controlled by the body at 7.4 (7.35 - 7.45). Most particles are >> eliminated by the body before they release many ions. Also, the majority >> of CS produced by users at home is mainly ionic, and many great results >> from many different people have been reported with that type of silver, >> ionic. While it may be true that silver ions are affected by stomach acid >> and other ions in the blood, our bodies produce a molecule called >> metalloprotein that latches on to free metallic ions and transport them >> throughout the body and prevent free ions from affecting it. Our saliva >> has over 200 different proteins and fully one third of body proteins are >> metalloproteins. Thus, reactive ions (missing one or more electrons) can
Re: CSbuying cs instead of making it.
www.silvershield.biz A refreshing website, very straight forward, no emotionally manipulative sales gimics... but not much info about their CS generators. Why are silver ions preferred over silver particles?..contains a bit of double speak, unfounded certitudes and mixed context but includes qualifiers such as apparently Language is a difficult thing to use accurately when making theory sound like facts that exclude other theory. There is no final word on ions VS particles when it comes , specifically, to silver. What may be true for other elements and their processes in a given environment may not be entirely true for silver. Ken I have been very pleased with the results and the price of the CS supplied by www.silvershield.biz The price I paid works out to 47 cents an ounce. I believe they also have available a constant current generator to produce either a quart or a gallon of CS. There are also links to various studies and information such as I've included here. Good Luck Rob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT -- Sea salt...
As stated, the likelihood that ancient salt has absorbed greater than normal amounts of localized mineral content, making it an unbalanced product which may or may not be good for your health. (i.e., high arsenic content) - Original Message - From: John A. Stanley j...@natel.net Newsgroups: list.silver To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:03 AM Subject: Re: CSOT -- Sea salt... In article 003701c24cfe$11a008a0$3defe...@computer, Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx wrote: You want to avoid mined salt, which is sometimes ancient and contains heavier amounts of local trace elements, and stay with the fresh, ocean-harvested sea salt. RealSalt is a widely available mined salt. It's basically just seasalt from an ancient sea. What is it that you find objectionable about its analysis? http://www.realsalt.com/prodinfo.html Detailed analysis in PDF format: http://www.realsalt.com/images/analysis.pdf And, check out this analysis of Celtic salt: http://www.celtic-seasalt.com/celseasalan.html It looks like RealSalt has less non-NaCl content than the Celtic salt. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT -- Sea salt...
Dear Mike, Our researches have confirmed (to our satisfaction) the most preferable manner in which to obtain the needed trace elements is through some form of reliable kelp product. Additional NaCl (if needed) can most conveniently be supplied through common table salt. There are a number of acceptable powdered kelp products available. Tablets are both convenient and inexpensive.however, the average subject (we found) requires eight to 12 tablets dailyfor minimum proper systemic maintenance. The minimum we found satisfactory for non-compromised (acceptably healthy) adults, was two rounded teaspoons of powdered (granulated) kelp daily. However, to facilitate ease of ingestion, we found it necesssary for the volunteer to combine each teaspoon of granulated kelp with a teaspoon of granulated lecithin and mix as a slurry (using a small amount of water) by agitating in the mount briefly before swallowing. The superior emulsifying properties of lecithin results in a mixture that is easily swallowed without inconvenience.except a mild one requiring the drinking of additional water to flush the granulated residue from the mouth. This seems a small price to pay for the splendid health-support results we obtained suring these experimentations. From among the commercially-available sources of kelp, we found Thorvin to be quite superior..for our purposes. Maxicrop was, certaily, acceptable; as was a product we obtained from a company in Waldboro, Mass., USA. As we conduct some agricultural experimentation, one of our investigations included investigations into utilizing unprocessed (containing ALL of the elements) sea salt...reduced to various concentrations via solution-as a FERTILILZING agent. Properly concentrated and applied, it works splendidly.and this without the application of ANY other amendments. I hope these comments are of some value. Sincerely, Brooks p.s. Unless memory fails me---complete---I posted some more expansive comments on our evalutions of sea salt as a soil amendment, some months ago. Those interested might refer to the list archives. M. G. Devour wrote: Pure sea salt is literally the best mineral/trace element nutritional supplement you can find. I don't disagree with anything you said in your post, Bill, but have a question... What source do you recommend? There are brands of sea salt, both iodized and not (Yes, I know, avoid the iodized) that come in paper cartons just like table salt. They're quite inexpensive. Then there's the Celtic sea salt that comes in plastic bags, still damp, in several grades of grind, and cost an arm and a leg. I'm talking 20 USD for a pound or two at the Health Food Store! Just curious. Mike D. (Yes, it's off topic. If there's more than a handful of followup posts, then we switch to silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com) [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V102 #594
could you please tell me what this is about and stop sending them I have no interest in buying cs water I make my own - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 10:54 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V102 #594 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNewbie/Particle Size
Could you tell us how you managed to do that [low PPM solution of large, grey colloids] and how you could tell that you did? Have you ever made a deep yellow CS, left it in a clear glass container for several months and poured it out into another clear glass container, then looked at the container and the poured out CS? The decanted CS will be colorless, still have a TE and register pretty much the same as before storage on a conductivity meter. The old container will have a yellow coating that the addition of a few drops of H2O2 will instantly dissolve with all color vanishing. Why did the yellow particulate stick to the glass, yet not settle out? [a matter of mass and relative charge in a thermally energetic Brownian environment, methinks...high mass/low relative charge = collision with and adhesion to the glass] Ken [snip] I'm sceptical on clear silver if for no other reason than as a novice I was making what I thought was clear sol;ution onlyu to become educated and find out I was making a low PPM solution of large, grey colloids...the cause of agryria. [snip] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCodex arrives
Yes, bleeding is an outlet, as are many parasites such as fleas and ticks to intestinal worms. It is my understanding that iron poisoning never occured years ago until we managed to eliminate all the parasites that would suck on us. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: If iron is toxic and has no outlet in males, I guess I'm the original iron man. My well water has at least 200PPM iron in it..so much that iron bacteria just loves the stuff and everything gets rusty looking. It tastes like a bucket of wet nails. I feel just fine after 30+ years of drinking it. My 80 yr old neighbors water is actually red/ brown from iron...almost like paint. I breath steel dust and rust dust from grinders and wire wheels quite often too. I wouldn't be surprised if I consumed a half inch nuts worth of non food iron every month...maybe the bolt too. If anything, elemental iron would scavange oxidizing free radicals. Isn't bleeding an outlet for iron? I do that sometimes too. [ouch] Two days ago I ripped a big chunk of skin off my hand. [ 1 x 1/2] I sprayed the hole and the skin flap with CS and stuck the skin back in place, covered it with a CS whetted papar towel scrap and kept it wet till it stopped bleeding. [That took a while] It is now almost healed up..no puss or puffiness despite using unsterilized tweezers and paper towel. ALL the reattached skin is still there and blending into the wound. The only scabbing is where the skin didn't stretch quite enough fill the hole. I'd say 80% healed in two days where normally a wound like that would take more than three weeks to go away with a total loss of the skin covering. [I would know. I've lost skin like that hundreds of times over many many years] The last time I did that [almost one square inch of skin ripped loose], it only took 4 days for the entire wound to turn into a thin pink line on my hand. I couldn't even find it in 5 days. Did you know that Carolina red clay is red because of iron content? Killer dust on the country road? I guess there's an awful lot of doomed rednecks around here. Good thing they [we] don't know. Ken At 07:14 PM 8/24/02 -0700, you wrote: Bill Sardi's reply (in caps) to Marshall's observations: FROM: Bill Sardi, Knowledge of Health, Inc. What does works on the skin and digestive tract mean? METALS KILLS BUGS, LIKE RUST IN WATER. GENERATES FREE RADICALS THAT KILL GERMS. But it is a heavy metal that is being induced into the body. HEAVY METALS LIKE LEAD, MERCURY, CADMIUM, WHICH SLOWLY BUILD UP IN THE BODY AND CONTRIBUTE TO DISEASE. Silver is not a heavy metal, it is a transition metal. It is totally non-toxic. WHO SAYS? SO IS IRON A TRANSITION METAL AND IT GENERATES MOST DISEASE WHEN IT IS UNBOUND. ANY OF THESE METALS CAN GENERATE TOXICITY. WHY DO ALL THE ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE FOLKS UNDERGO CHELATION THERAPY? TO GET RID OF THESE MINERALS. Long term increases disease. By what mechanism? If that were true then why do those who have used CS for years almost never get sick? I have gone from a cold or flu at least monthly to never for the last 4 years. 4 YEARS IS NOT LONG TERM. GIVE YOURSELF MORE TIME. ALSO IRON IS BUILDING UP IN YOUR TISSUES, AS OCCURS IN ALL MALES WHO HAVE NO OUTLET FOR IT. Well, maybe the iron thing is worth checking out; hadn't heard about that before. Thanks, Marshall. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V102 #594
Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Lynda Khula wrote: could you please tell me what this is about and stop sending them I have no interest in buying cs water I make my own - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 10:54 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V102 #594 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNewbie/Particle Size
If yellow CS is left in clear glass, the yellow sticks to the glass and the remainder still exhibits all the properties of CS. This tells me that yellow CS is not ALL yellow and contains a good percentage of the small colorless particles along with the larger yellow ones. The deeper the yellow for a given PPM, the higher the percentage is. Ion to particle ratio increases with the removal of the larger yellow particles but remains essentially the same quantity as conductivity doesn't change much at all. I have recently made colorless batches with a conductivity of 43 microsiemens that have remained colorless for 2 weeks now and have a heavy/fine TE in laser light as viewed in a somewhat dimly lit room and no 'sparklies'. [run in 70 deg F water] I have yet to find a consistant saturation point for silver in solution with water. Particle size seems to be quite connected to current/electrode area ratios, water temperature and circulation. Ken At 11:34 AM 8/25/02 -0400, you wrote: elixsil...@citlink.net wrote: Jack Dayton writes: If smaller is better, it must be presumed you mean ionic as yellow colloids are larger than ionic silver. The color comes as a result of size, btw. Ionic is new on the silver scene, relatively speaking. For years those lettered researchers in the know touted only yellow to gold in coloration knowing that clear silver was molecular i.e...bad. So if smaller(ionic) is better- why have so many testimonials been given unto me after the ingestion of yellow c/s? In CS what you see is not always what you get. Even yellow CS contains 90% or more ionic. You cannot see that. There is no doubt that yellow CS is very effective, the only question is if the effectiveness is from the 5 to 10% particles that are making it yellow, or the 90 to 95% ionic. As far as I know there has been no really good research on that issue. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCaffeine
AVRA / Jason wrote: Summer: The idea that caffeine is in any way directly related to Argyria is patently false. I never said that caffine is related to argyria. Only that for compounds of silver to plate out on silver atoms to form larger clumps of silver requires a developer. This requirement is scientific fact. If you don't believe it then study some photo developing books. It is plain chemistry. If it plates out then a developer must be present. Now I said that caffine makes a fair developer, as do a large variety of tannic acid compounds. It is quite likely that some natural fluid of the body is also a developer, but as far as I know that has not been tested or verified. I prefer to work with facts and not speculation, and the fact is that caffine and tannic acid compounds are indeed developers. Are they necessary for argyria to develop, probably not, since there will be likely other developers present in low quantity. Will having large amounts of caffine or tannic acid compounds in the blood increase the formation of argyria? I believe that an educated guess is that they would since rapid silver plating out is believe to be necessary. If the silver is depositing in the fingernails, it is likely it has already started to accumulate internally, but this has not been conclusively demonstrated either. The only way to tell would be via biopsy or autopsy. Since it only accumulated in an area that was actively growing, how can you reach that conclusion for an already grown adult? If silver buildup reaches a toxic level interally it is lethal. I have never seen any evidence that silver is toxic, and certainly not lethal. What evidence do you have for this? Don't go quoting anything that used silver compounds, we all know some silver compounds are toxic. I can use the same logic to prove that carbon or nitrogen is lethal by using cyanide HCN as an example. The compound is not the same thing as the element. I can quote from an authoritive source that supports this. CRC Handbook, 52nd edition, page B-30: While silver itself if non-toxic, most of it salts are poisonous due to the anions present. Silver has germacidal effects and kills many lower organisms effectively without harm to higher animals. This, I believe, would be nearly ( if not ) impossible with the use of low PPM colloidal silver, even with extremely large amounts of colloidal silver consumed daily over a lifetime. Such things were at one time documented with very high concentrations of silver compounds injected into the body. Extreme silver toxicity has severe nuerological and respiratory consequences. Once again, I have never seen any evidence or documentation of this for CS or silver metal. That is for silver compounds. You are doing the same thing the FDA does and try to confuse CS with silver compounds. They act totally different. No one argues with these facts with silver compounds, but to try and transfer the data over to CS is not legitimate without any supporting evidence, of which I have never seen any. I would assume that if CS were to cause neurological damage it would impare one's IQ. My IQ was around 100 last time I had it tested years ago. I just took another test a few weeks ago after taking CS for 4 years, and now it is reported as 135. Would neurological damage caue an IQ increase? I don't think so. Marshall
Re: CSFingernail and hair argyria
Well, when it reaches the end and is no longer connected to the tissue underneath I will know for sure. I will keep you posted. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: This could be the result of a high pressure area in the nail as it grows out of the cuticle that reveals a normal blue color like that seen in veins under the skin of a fair complected person. If you look across the upper plane of the nail, you'll find that it is not uniform, but waves up and down /grows thick then thin, perpendicular to the direction of the finger as it progresses toward the end in a process resembling the extrusion of molten glass on a molten tin bed. If it's not absolutely uniform, the resulting plate glass will be inferior. The body rarely does anything uniformly. Changes in diet can modify the way the nail grows. Various nutritional deficiencies and excesses can show up there as well in both color effects and thickness. Ken At 12:14 PM 8/25/02 -0400, you wrote: I have heard some people say that taking fairly large amounts of CS has helped darken their gray hair. It is also my understanding that fingernails are basically the same as hair, only wide and thick. I have experienced what I might term fingernail argyria after taking large amounts of 80% ionic/20% colloid 5 ppm CS. After reducing the dosage to only a few ounces a day, instead of a couple of quarts a day. It is no longer forming. Unfortunatly when it first appeared at the base of the nail in the area that is normally white or light colored, I was looking for a medical problem such as poor circulation. However now that it has grown out beyond the white area and the white area has returned to white, I now realize it is a stain inside the nail itself, and will eventually grow out and be trimmed off. Does anyone else have any information on this. Does this mean that although silver is not normally retained by tissues, that is can be in newly formed tissues? Would that make one more susceptible to argyria if they get sunburned and new skin has to grow to replace the burned skin? The attached picture does not show the effect very well. The darkened area near the base is much darker than the picture shows in reality. It seems that the flash washed the color out of the blue area. Marshall Attachment Converted: c:\eudora\attach\fingernail.jpg -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFingernail and hair argyria
This could be the result of a high pressure area in the nail as it grows out of the cuticle that reveals a normal blue color like that seen in veins under the skin of a fair complected person. If you look across the upper plane of the nail, you'll find that it is not uniform, but waves up and down /grows thick then thin, perpendicular to the direction of the finger as it progresses toward the end in a process resembling the extrusion of molten glass on a molten tin bed. If it's not absolutely uniform, the resulting plate glass will be inferior. The body rarely does anything uniformly. Changes in diet can modify the way the nail grows. Various nutritional deficiencies and excesses can show up there as well in both color effects and thickness. Ken At 12:14 PM 8/25/02 -0400, you wrote: I have heard some people say that taking fairly large amounts of CS has helped darken their gray hair. It is also my understanding that fingernails are basically the same as hair, only wide and thick. I have experienced what I might term fingernail argyria after taking large amounts of 80% ionic/20% colloid 5 ppm CS. After reducing the dosage to only a few ounces a day, instead of a couple of quarts a day. It is no longer forming. Unfortunatly when it first appeared at the base of the nail in the area that is normally white or light colored, I was looking for a medical problem such as poor circulation. However now that it has grown out beyond the white area and the white area has returned to white, I now realize it is a stain inside the nail itself, and will eventually grow out and be trimmed off. Does anyone else have any information on this. Does this mean that although silver is not normally retained by tissues, that is can be in newly formed tissues? Would that make one more susceptible to argyria if they get sunburned and new skin has to grow to replace the burned skin? The attached picture does not show the effect very well. The darkened area near the base is much darker than the picture shows in reality. It seems that the flash washed the color out of the blue area. Marshall Attachment Converted: c:\eudora\attach\fingernail.jpg -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBetter Question(?)
They will rarely tell you what it 'isn't' and are sketchy on what it is. Look for MSP in very small letters..and don't buy it. If it says electro-colloidal..buy that. [I have yet to see any labeled as such in a retail store] ..and there's all sorts of ways to mis make electro-colloidal. [unfortunately, the 'bad' ways are usually the faster ways and are most likely the ways used for commercial CS] If it's bright yellow and irritates your eyes..or warns against using it in your eyes..it's probably not electro colloidal. It's probably a chemical precipitate as is made near me in 55 gallon drums for repackaging. Making your own is the ONLY way you'll know what you have. A mere label is not big enough to give you any specifics even if the manufacturer wanted to. There are some small online producers who have the info you want available and a better price. They make it like you would. silvershield.biz looks like a good one with a clue. One that 'offers' a product rather than selling you on it by scaring you and , at least , implies that they know what they're doing and what they're selling. Ken At 02:27 PM 8/25/02 EDT, you wrote: Maybe a better question for me to ask (and understand) is what would I look for on a label to buy cs? Thanks for being patient, Becky -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it...
Spring water has any combination and amount of mineral and metallic anions you can imagine as evidenced by the very fact of its high conductivity. Make CS with it and it's anyone guess as to what you'll get. [but, in a pinch...at least some of the total content will be useful and the rest not very harmful] If I make CS using my well water, I get a blue grey precipitate. There are some small variances even using distilled water. [nearly always irrelevent] Ken At 03:50 PM 8/25/02 -0400, you wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:53:37 -0500, Barbara Liles ba...@netease.net wrote: When I first started making mine, I was told that my spring water would work and didn't need the distilled water. I know it worked to some extent, but the more I read on the list, the more I realize that the minerals in natural spring water must have an effect on my finished product so I switched to distilled. The spring water produced a cloudy brew whereas the distilled water made it clear. Spring water has minerals in it so it is not a good insulator. If you want to use it, you MUST remember that your brewing time is only about 3 minutes as compared to 30 to 45 minutes using distilled water (which is an excellent insulator). Just learning so any information is helpful. I'm still back tracking the achieves attempting to not ask questions that you old timers have addressed before, but that is a slow process. Ask your questions. The archives are an excellent goldmine, but don't limit yourself. There are no dumb questions...well, maybe there are, but on the whole, we're a polite group... Chuck Your life would be very empty if you had nothing to regret. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWalmart water caution
Agreed, if it's available. Point being, it's not necessary to go overboard within reason and 5 microsiemens is reasonably pure in the range of commercially distilled water quality. First batch? [and in general] If it looks good, don't sweat it. If something weird happens, get different water. Most people have no way to test it anyhow. Ken At 09:24 AM 8/25/02 -0500, you wrote: In article 3.0.3.32.20020824054345.032db...@mail.earthlink.net, Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net wrote: 5 microsiemens on the PWT is still just fine to make CS with. I actually prefer something around 4.5 Us over the more pure water. I would think it'd be preferable to start with purer water and dose it with CS from a previous batch up to the 4.5Us level. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT -- Sea salt...
In article 001c01c24d0f$26638620$13efe...@computer, Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx wrote: As stated, the likelihood that ancient salt has absorbed greater than normal amounts of localized mineral content, making it an unbalanced product which may or may not be good for your health. (i.e., high arsenic content) That doesn't appear to be the case with RealSalt, which is significantly less expensive than Celtic salt. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it...
In article 3.0.3.32.20020826121025.032d4...@mail.earthlink.net, Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net wrote: Spring water has any combination and amount of mineral and metallic anions you can imagine as evidenced by the very fact of its high conductivity. Make CS with it and it's anyone guess as to what you'll get. [but, in a pinch...at least some of the total content will be useful and the rest not very harmful] It occurred to me that people travelling in parts of the world with questionable water quality could make a battery powered silver wand that they could stir in drinking water to make it safe to drink. I've heard that in India it's common for dishonest restauranteurs to refill water bottles from the tap and sell it as bottled water. If used on a short-term basis there shouldn't be any problem from ingesting small amounts of impurely made CS. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... adding salt
Barbara Liles wrote: Thanks for the info. So, is the sea salt good, bad or indifferent? - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... Barbara Liles wrote: Sorry Marshall. I re-read my post and it confused me. Let me try again. What I meant to say is some generators I read about are using 3 Batteries rather than 2. When making CS are we trying to get equal charge from a negative silver wire and a positive silver wire? The difference between 2 and 3 batteries is simply 18 or 27 volts. The currents at both electrodes will be the same, as per Norton analysis. That is current travels in a loop, and is equal at all points in the loop. Then, to make a good brew, does the solution need to be stirred? Most here report better results if the CS is stirred during making it. This can be with a bubbler, a mechanical stirer, or even a slight heat source on one side for convection stiring. Also, does the distance between the two silver wires make a difference. Yes it does, but I don't have any data on that since I do not use the LVDC method myself. When I first started making mine, I was told that my spring water would work and didn't need the distilled water. I know it worked to some extent, but the more I read on the list, the more I realize that the minerals in natural spring water must have an effect on my finished product so I switched to distilled. That was a good decision. The spring water produced a cloudy brew whereas the distilled water made it clear. The spring water probably had some salts in it, calcium chloride, calcium carbonate, potassium or sodium chloride. These would react with any silver ions as they come off the wire producting silver carbonate or silver chloride. Most silver compounds have very low solubility, so they tend to make the water cloudy until it settles out. Also, since we are going back to Silver 101, when using sea salt which makes the brew yellow, is this an indicator of particle size? I know it makes it faster, but what is it making faster? It increases the conductivity, thus increasing current and the rate of silver removal from the wire. This leads me to wonder about IV use. Since sodium chloride IV solution is salty, does that change the structure of the CS. I generally use D5W thinking that the salt would change the structure. It seems that silver ions will quickly combine with the chlorine in NaCl and form a cloudy solution with then settles out over time. I am not sure just what happens if you put silver chloride directly into the blood. I don't make cs but i heard you are never to add any kind of SALT or BAKING SODA to speed up the proccess.EVER!1 Just learning so any information is helpful. I'm still back tracking the achieves attempting to not ask questions that you old timers have addressed before, but that is a slow process. We may be old timers, but we keep learning as well. I would NEVER have thought that taking large amounts of HVAC CS would do what they did to my fingernails. That is a new data point for me. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour thank you - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
Re: CSbuying cs instead of making it.
In article 3d68225b.7050...@tir.com, ja...@tir.com ja...@tir.com wrote: I have been very pleased with the results and the price of the CS supplied by www.silvershield.biz The price I paid works out to 47 cents an ounce. I believe they also have available a constant current generator to produce either a quart or a gallon of CS. There are also links to various studies and information such as I've included here. Good Luck Rob Would your favorable comments about silvershield.biz have anything to do with the fact that the domain is registered in your name? If you're really just a satisfied customer, what is your relationship with the company such that your name is listed in the site's WHOIS entry? whois -h whois.geektools.com silvershield.biz ... Query: silvershield.biz Registry: whois.neulevel.biz Results: Domain Name: SILVERSHIELD.BIZ Domain ID: D3210763-BIZ Sponsoring Registrar:REGISTER.COM Domain Status: ok Registrant ID: C25376729-NLVL Registrant Name: Robert Janks Registrant Organization: Silvershield Registrant Address1: 13209 North Holly Road Registrant City: Holly Registrant State/Province: MI Registrant Postal Code: 48442 Registrant Country: United States Registrant Country Code: US Registrant Phone Number: +1.2486342569 Registrant Email:ja...@tir.com Administrative Contact ID: C25376732-NLVL Administrative Contact Name: Robert Janks Administrative Contact Organization: Silvershield Administrative Contact Address1: 13209 North Holly Road Administrative Contact City: Holly Administrative Contact State/Province: MI Administrative Contact Postal Code: 48442 Administrative Contact Country: United States Administrative Contact Country Code: US Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.2486342569 Administrative Contact Email:ja...@tir.com Billing Contact ID: NEUL-365605 Billing Contact Name:Domain Registrar Billing Contact Address1:575 8th Avenue Billing Contact City:New York Billing Contact State/Province: NY Billing Contact Postal Code: 10018 Billing Contact Country: United States Billing Contact Country Code:US Billing Contact Phone Number:+1.2127989200 Billing Contact Email: domain-regist...@register.com Technical Contact ID:C25376726-NLVL Technical Contact Name: Hostmaster Hostmaster Technical Contact Organization: Earthlink Inc. Technical Contact Address1: 1430 W. Peactree St. NW Technical Contact Address2: Suite 400 Technical Contact City: Atlanta Technical Contact State/Province:GA Technical Contact Postal Code: 30309 Technical Contact Country: United States Technical Contact Country Code: US Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.8889321997 Technical Contact Facsimile Number: +1.9724815884 Technical Contact Email: hostmas...@earthlink.net Name Server: DNS3.EARTHLINK.NET Name Server: DNS2.EARTHLINK.NET Created by Registrar:REGISTER.COM Last Updated by Registrar: REGISTER.COM Domain Registration Date:Mon Jul 01 20:00:30 GMT 2002 Domain Expiration Date: Wed Jun 30 23:59:59 GMT 2004 Domain Last Updated Date:Mon Jul 01 20:00:45 GMT 2002 Whois database was last updated on: Mon Aug 26 18:01:44 GMT 2002 -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... adding salt
Thanks again, Jenny! Payment will go in today's mail. Have a lovely day, Sonja Buhlman - Original Message - From: mars larz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:02 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... adding salt Barbara Liles wrote: Thanks for the info. So, is the sea salt good, bad or indifferent? - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... Barbara Liles wrote: Sorry Marshall. I re-read my post and it confused me. Let me try again. What I meant to say is some generators I read about are using 3 Batteries rather than 2. When making CS are we trying to get equal charge from a negative silver wire and a positive silver wire? The difference between 2 and 3 batteries is simply 18 or 27 volts. The currents at both electrodes will be the same, as per Norton analysis. That is current travels in a loop, and is equal at all points in the loop. g! t; Then, to make a good brew, does the solution need to be stirred? Most here report better results if the CS is stirred during making it. This can be with a bubbler, a mechanical stirer, or even a slight heat source on one side for convection stiring. Also, does the distance between the two silver wires make a difference. Yes it does, but I don't have any data on that since I do not use the LVDC method myself. When I first started making mine, I was told that my spring water would work and didn't need the distilled water. I know it worked to some extent, but the more I read on the list, the more I realize that the minerals in natural spring water must have an effect on my finished product so I switched to distilled. That was a good decision. g! t; The spring water produced a cloudy brew whereas the distilled water made it clear. The spring water probably had some salts in it, calcium chloride, calcium carbonate, potassium or sodium chloride. These would react with any silver ions as they come off the wire producting silver carbonate or silver chloride. Most silver compounds have very low solubility, so they tend to make the water cloudy until it settles out. Also, since we are going back to Silver 101, when using sea salt which makes the brew yellow, is this an indicator of particle size? I know it makes it faster, but what is it making faster? It increases the conductivity, thus increasing current and the rate of silver removal from the wire. This leads me! to wonder about IV use. Since sodium chloride IV solution is salty, does that change the structure of the CS. I generally use D5W thinking that the salt would change the structure. It seems that silver ions will quickly combine with the chlorine in NaCl and form a cloudy solution with then settles out over time. I am not sure just what happens if you put silver chloride directly into the blood. I don't make cs but i heard you are never to add any kind of SALT or BAKING SODA to speed up the proccess.EVER!1 Just learning so any information is helpful. I'm still back tracking the achieves attempting to not ask questions that you old timers have addressed before, but that is a slow process. We may be old timers, but we keep learning as well. I would NEVER have thought that taking large amounts of HVAC CS would do what they did to my fingernails. That is a new data point for me. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour thank you -- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
RE: CSHorse digestive upset with PO CSTypo correction
that is one gallon, not on gallon. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes [mailto:a...@cybermesa.com] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:11 PM To: Silver-List Subject: CSHorse digestive upset with PO CS I spoke with the owner of the quarter-horse that was treated with CS in the drinking water. The stud that was treated for septic arthritis of the knee-like joint was given about on gallon over about 2 weeks. There were no digestive or excretory changes noted by the owner by visual inspection of the horse turds. The sol was made with HVAC using a Marx UltraPro. James-Osbourne: Holmes -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbuying cs instead of making it.
Great detective work John!! Connie Would your favorable comments about silvershield.biz have anything to do with the fact that the domain is registered in your name? If you're really just a satisfied customer, what is your relationship with the company such that your name is listed in the site's WHOIS entry? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS Lotion
Hi, I have been making soaps and lotions for years, and this idea has been lurking in my brain for a couple of years now. Have never seen anything like this discussed on this list either! So here goes. Can anyone here think of why a lotion or creme made with CS (in lieu of distilled water) would not be effective? I have psoriasis, and I know that the CS can stop the itching, and sometimes almost makes it disappear. It's just too awkward to keep applying it to spots like elbows, etc. I'm thinking this would be so much better in a creme made with other oils that have beneficial properties for psoriasis. There may even be a synergy there between say emu oil (or neem) and CS! Who knows? Question #2: How about marketability of such a creme? I already make salves, moisturizing creams, and one with MSM and Glucosamine in it for folks with arthritic aches and pains, but has anyone ever seen or heard of anything with CS in it? I mean like a lotion or soap or some thing along those lines? I can't think why this wouldn't work, but if there's something I'm missing, please let me know! I'm going to do this for myself either way, but in terms of selling it...well, guess I'm still gathering information! Jean -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT -- Sea salt...
My Naturopath swears by Celtic sea salt, despite the price. (And no he does not sell it.) Here are the people he suggests- http://www.celtic-seasalt.com/ Becky
Re: CSCS Lotion
BJ wrote: Hi, I have been making soaps and lotions for years, and this idea has been lurking in my brain for a couple of years now. Have never seen anything like this discussed on this list either! So here goes. Can anyone here think of why a lotion or creme made with CS (in lieu of distilled water) would not be effective? I have psoriasis, and I know that the CS can stop the itching, and sometimes almost makes it disappear. It's just too awkward to keep applying it to spots like elbows, etc. I'm thinking this would be so much better in a creme made with other oils that have beneficial properties for psoriasis. There may even be a synergy there between say emu oil (or neem) and CS! Who knows? I had one person report complete elimination of psoriasis with CS/Aloe Vera gel. Question #2: How about marketability of such a creme? I already make salves, moisturizing creams, and one with MSM and Glucosamine in it for folks with arthritic aches and pains, but has anyone ever seen or heard of anything with CS in it? I mean like a lotion or soap or some thing along those lines? I can't think why this wouldn't work, but if there's something I'm missing, please let me know! The main thing is to test stability. For intance with Aloe Vera it still does not keep well, even if you adjust the ph. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWalmart water caution
FWIW, during a visit with Ole Bob today, he pulled out his graphs and showed me why DW with a 5us initial conductance is junk. Throw it out is what he said. Bob is working on getting some web space for a page. He eventually will make available his findings and graphs and what have you to everyone. Respectfully, Rich Adams -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: canola oil/con-ola oil
Thank you for your comments Ken. I was getting disappointed starting to read your response, as I thought it was a pretty good article, much better than all the bunk I had found the day before trying to find something ''good'' AGAINST canola oil. But your final statement eased my disappointment. (O: And thanks to IVAN for pointing it out to me! Connie This particular article looks to be pretty well balanced. From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:37:32 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOT: canola oil Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:17:41 -0700 Be aware that Nexus magazine publishes peoples beliefs and theorys. It will print anything that sounds interesting. It is not especially concerned about verifiable facts, contextual accuracies and rational perspectives. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCaffeine
On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:43:38 -0400, Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote: I would assume that if CS were to cause neurological damage it would impare one's IQ. My IQ was around 100 last time I had it tested years ago. I just took another test a few weeks ago after taking CS for 4 years, and now it is reported as 135. Would neurological damage caue an IQ increase? I don't think so. Guess we'll have to go to autopsy, Marshall. You up for it? Chuck You can name your own salary here--I call mine Fred -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWalmart water caution
On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:26:40 -0500, j...@natel.net (John A. Stanley) wrote: My homemade DW ranges from .6 to 1 Us. A recently purchased jug of DW measured 1.2 Pretty much, the generally accepted spec on the list was less than 1.0 . YMMV Chuck You can't go on forever living in the shadow of world destruction-- people get bored. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSQuestion, COYOTE ZENTERPRIZES AUTOMATIC COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORS ????
Is the COYOTE ZENTERPRIZES AUTOMATIC COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORS product listed at this site, http://silverpuppy.com/page1b.html good for getting started in making CS? I was going to do the home made setup, however, for $75.00 I would rather spend the money and have something that plugs in and is a bit more automated. I understand there may be more effective generators, However I am not ready to spend $150-$250.00 for one at this point. You input would be greatly appreciated. David -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Lotion
I wish you would post a recipe for making a lotion which I could make with CS! Jeannie BJ wrote: Hi, I have been making soaps and lotions for years, and this idea has been lurking in my brain for a couple of years now. Have never seen anything like this discussed on this list either! So here goes. Can anyone here think of why a lotion or creme made with CS (in lieu of distilled water) would not be effective? I have psoriasis, and I know that the CS can stop the itching, and sometimes almost makes it disappear. It's just too awkward to keep applying it to spots like elbows, etc. I'm thinking this would be so much better in a creme made with other oils that have beneficial properties for psoriasis. There may even be a synergy there between say emu oil (or neem) and CS! Who knows? Question #2: How about marketability of such a creme? I already make salves, moisturizing creams, and one with MSM and Glucosamine in it for folks with arthritic aches and pains, but has anyone ever seen or heard of anything with CS in it? I mean like a lotion or soap or some thing along those lines? I can't think why this wouldn't work, but if there's something I'm missing, please let me know! I'm going to do this for myself either way, but in terms of selling it...well, guess I'm still gathering information! Jean -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast
Re: CSQuestion, COYOTE ZENTERPRIZES AUTOMATIC COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORS ????
In article 01c24d63$22680a60$0800a...@client4, David Borden david.j.bor...@direcway.com wrote: Is the COYOTE ZENTERPRIZES AUTOMATIC COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORS product listed at this site, http://silverpuppy.com/page1b.html good for getting started in making CS? I was going to do the home made setup, however, for $75.00 I would rather spend the money and have something that plugs in and is a bit more automated. I understand there may be more effective generators, However I am not ready to spend $150-$250.00 for one at this point. I don't think you can go wrong with any of Ken's units, but I've seen from my own CS production how stirring really improves the process, and for $125 you can get the Ole Bob which includes built-in stirring. http://silverpuppy.com/ole%20bob.html You might also induce stirring with the $75 unit using a night light bulb placed next to the jar to create thermal convection. It has been reported on this list that this technique works. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQuestion, COYOTE ZENTERPRIZES AUTOMATIC COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORS ????
Not only does Ken offer a nice consistent unit he is very helpful and from all my dealings, I would say a very reputable firm to do business with. Over -n- Out Wayne The moral development of a nation can be judged by the way that they treat their animals - (Mahatma Gandi) Those who do not find time every day for health must sacrifice a lot of time one day for illness.-(F.S. Kneipp) www.mindspring.com/~apple12/fade.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCaffeine
I am reviewing that literature now. I did find one interesting sentence: Silver at 50-500 mg/kg body weight is the lethal toxic dose in humans. When I was a teenager I swallowed a quarter. This was when quarters were 90% silver. It weighed 6.25 grams, so there was 5.625 grams of silver there. I weighted about 100 pounds, or about 40 KG. The lethal dose would be 2 to 20 grams. So I should have had a dosage that was in the lethal range. I did not even get sick. I cannot help but believe they are speaking of silver salts, not silver metal. Marshall AVRA / Jason wrote: Marshall: It is a known fact that silver dust can cause Argyria; that silver protein can cause Argyria; that silver salts can cause Argyria. That this is not widely known outside of older doctors these days is that exposure to silver has been limited. The real truth is that no research has been done with electro-colloidal silver. The fact that small concentrations are used, and thus any possible Argyria may take ten to twenty years to occur through daily use does not lessen what is known, and what is not known, and what people believe they know. How many references do you want? I have posted many previously, here's a few newer ones: http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic595.htm I don't think the 'ole conspiracy theory works in the case of this Professor of Medicine from Poland. The reason all of the research concerning Argyria points to metallic silver, silver protein, and silver salts is that these types of silver have been available for study and of interest to human health. That's the only reason. Again, it is COMMON knowledge that silver toxicity is fatal. This isn't something mysterious or new. You obviously didn't look at the references that I posted before, so I won't repeat them over and over. Here's a reprinted reference to Silver from the Merk manual: http://www.luminet.net/~wenonah/toxic.htm Here's another example of the idea that metallic silver can cause Argyria: Suzuki_H; Baba S; Uchigasaki S; Murase M (1993) Localized argyria with chrysiasis caused by implanted AP needles: Distribution and chemical forms of silver and gold in cutaneous tissue by electron microscopy and x-ray microanalysis. J Am Acad Dermatol Nov 29(5 Pt 2):833-837. Dept of Dermatol, Surugadai Nihon Univ Hospital, Tokyo, Japan. A case of localized argyria with chrysiasis caused by implanted AP needles in a 41-yr-old Japanese woman was studied by electron microscopy and x-ray microanalysis. Large amounts of Ag granules with Se and S were detected around eccrine secretory cells in much greater amounts than around ductal cells. Many granules were also observed along the outer edge of the basement membrane but never within cells or intercellular spaces. The granules were also present around blood vessels, lymphatics and nerve fibres and in elastic fibres. Small numbers of Au fragments were also seen, mostly within macrophages. Ag deposited extracellularly as selenide and sulphide, whereas free Au was found intracellularly. My position has always been stated clearly. I don't believe that there is significant risk of Argyria from taking reasonable amounts of quality low PPM colloidal silver. I believe that there is a difference between how the body handles electro-colloidal silver, even aside from the comparatively low concentrations consumed. However, this is founded in belief and not fact. I don't see anyone volunteering to inject .5 gram doses of silver into the blood, even if that means going on an IV drip. Since this has not been done, there is no real data to compare with the studies that have been done. I don't recommend that anyone exceed the EPA guidelines for CS consumption without good reason. In such situations, I always recommend internal cleansing programs and dietary supplementation. There is simply little need to do so. As far as anions being related to silver toxicity? That's just a bunch of made-up head-work. Anions might play a significant role in depositing silver in the body, but it has absolutely no relation to silver toxicity itself. Once the silver is deposited into body tissues, it is the silver that causes the toxicity. This type of thinking is resultant of insecure people sitting down and starting with the premise: I don't think CS causes Argyria, so how many different theories can I produce to support this idea? People who aren't comfortable saying you know, this really hasn't been demonstrated - and people who certainly know that they don't sell products with the truth, and therefore fool themselves as to sleep well at night. The problem is when you step up to the plate as an expert, and you make the choice to limit the information you are giving to people who trust you. How many cases of Argyria have been reported to you in the last six months? Likely, none. That is a byproduct of your life, not a reflection of reality. I've run
Re: CSQuestion, COYOTE ZENTERPRIZES AUTOMATIC COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORS ????
Is the COYOTE ZENTERPRIZES AUTOMATIC COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORS product listed at this site, http://silverpuppy.com/page1b.html good for getting started in making CS? That's how I started before getting into the HVAC arc method. Rich Adams -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQuestion, COYOTE ZENTERPRIZES AUTOMATIC COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORS ????
I have his generator and am very satisfied with it. D/ David Borden wrote: Is the COYOTE ZENTERPRIZES AUTOMATIC COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORS product listed at this site, http://silverpuppy.com/page1b.html good for getting started in making CS? I was going to do the home made setup, however, for $75.00 I would rather spend the money and have something that plugs in and is a bit more automated. I understand there may be more effective generators, However I am not ready to spend $150-$250.00 for one at this point. You input would be greatly appreciated. David -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCaffeine
Marshall: It is a known fact that silver dust can cause Argyria; that silver protein can cause Argyria; that silver salts can cause Argyria. That this is not widely known outside of older doctors these days is that exposure to silver has been limited. The real truth is that no research has been done with electro-colloidal silver. The fact that small concentrations are used, and thus any possible Argyria may take ten to twenty years to occur through daily use does not lessen what is known, and what is not known, and what people believe they know. How many references do you want? I have posted many previously, here's a few newer ones: http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic595.htm I don't think the 'ole conspiracy theory works in the case of this Professor of Medicine from Poland. The reason all of the research concerning Argyria points to metallic silver, silver protein, and silver salts is that these types of silver have been available for study and of interest to human health. That's the only reason. Again, it is COMMON knowledge that silver toxicity is fatal. This isn't something mysterious or new. You obviously didn't look at the references that I posted before, so I won't repeat them over and over. Here's a reprinted reference to Silver from the Merk manual: http://www.luminet.net/~wenonah/toxic.htm Here's another example of the idea that metallic silver can cause Argyria: Suzuki_H; Baba S; Uchigasaki S; Murase M (1993) Localized argyria with chrysiasis caused by implanted AP needles: Distribution and chemical forms of silver and gold in cutaneous tissue by electron microscopy and x-ray microanalysis. J Am Acad Dermatol Nov 29(5 Pt 2):833-837. Dept of Dermatol, Surugadai Nihon Univ Hospital, Tokyo, Japan. A case of localized argyria with chrysiasis caused by implanted AP needles in a 41-yr-old Japanese woman was studied by electron microscopy and x-ray microanalysis. Large amounts of Ag granules with Se and S were detected around eccrine secretory cells in much greater amounts than around ductal cells. Many granules were also observed along the outer edge of the basement membrane but never within cells or intercellular spaces. The granules were also present around blood vessels, lymphatics and nerve fibres and in elastic fibres. Small numbers of Au fragments were also seen, mostly within macrophages. Ag deposited extracellularly as selenide and sulphide, whereas free Au was found intracellularly. My position has always been stated clearly. I don't believe that there is significant risk of Argyria from taking reasonable amounts of quality low PPM colloidal silver. I believe that there is a difference between how the body handles electro-colloidal silver, even aside from the comparatively low concentrations consumed. However, this is founded in belief and not fact. I don't see anyone volunteering to inject .5 gram doses of silver into the blood, even if that means going on an IV drip. Since this has not been done, there is no real data to compare with the studies that have been done. I don't recommend that anyone exceed the EPA guidelines for CS consumption without good reason. In such situations, I always recommend internal cleansing programs and dietary supplementation. There is simply little need to do so. As far as anions being related to silver toxicity? That's just a bunch of made-up head-work. Anions might play a significant role in depositing silver in the body, but it has absolutely no relation to silver toxicity itself. Once the silver is deposited into body tissues, it is the silver that causes the toxicity. This type of thinking is resultant of insecure people sitting down and starting with the premise: I don't think CS causes Argyria, so how many different theories can I produce to support this idea? People who aren't comfortable saying you know, this really hasn't been demonstrated - and people who certainly know that they don't sell products with the truth, and therefore fool themselves as to sleep well at night. The problem is when you step up to the plate as an expert, and you make the choice to limit the information you are giving to people who trust you. How many cases of Argyria have been reported to you in the last six months? Likely, none. That is a byproduct of your life, not a reflection of reality. I've run into a total of five cases in the last six months... Four of which have to do with mild silver protein. One I reported to the list because it was of interest. That case was either caused by large silver particles, or by silver chloride Either of which indicate that electro-colloidal silver can possibly enduce Argyria, as silver chloride IS produced when electro-colloidal silver enters the body, and there are silver particles in CS. It may just take four to eight times as long Which would be about 20 to 40 years of daily high volume use ( 8 or 16 ounces daily ), in someone who may have a predisposition to Argyria, for whatever
Re: CSQuestion, COYOTE ZENTERPRIZES AUTOMATIC COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORS ????
d.linen wrote:I have his generator and am very satisfied with it. D/ David Borden wrote: Is the COYOTE ZENTERPRIZES AUTOMATIC COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORS product listed at this site, http://silverpuppy.com/page1b.html good for getting started in making CS? I was going to do the home made setup, however, for $75.00 I would rather spend the money and have something that plugs in and is a bit more automated. I understand there may be more effective generators, However I am not ready to spend $150-$250.00 for one at this point. You input would be greatly appreciated. David -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour This is off your subject but: i heard that storing cs in plastic containers is not too healthy. my tap water in my apartment is not that good in quality because it smellls and taste funny. i usually put a teaspoonfull of it in a gallon plastic bottle and it takes the smell and taste away almost instantly. i drink this gallon of water throughout the day so it's not just sitting in the plastic container for long amounts of time. is this cool to do? thank you - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
Re: CSCS Lotion
I added CS to a jar of Blue Stuff. EMU oil, MSM, and Aloe Vera. Can't say that it improved it. My boy just returned from Florida covered with mosquito bites. He used the salve on his bites. He is now in Hawaii so I don't know if the salve helped. Brickey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: CS lotion/creme
The recipe sounds familiar g. I'd be curious to know more about that as it is reputed to help with insect bites as well. If not, it is possible that the MSM may have been added when the liquid was at a high temp - have heard this inactivates the MSM completely. Anyway, I will soon be making a cream with CS as I believe it will be easier to use in terms of topical/skin applications. Jean From: brick...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS Lotion Message-ID: 197.c248a7c.2a9c4...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I added CS to a jar of Blue Stuff. EMU oil, MSM, and Aloe Vera. Can't say that it improved it. My boy just returned from Florida covered with mosquito bites. He used the salve on his bites. He is now in Hawaii so I don't know if the salve helped. Brickey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCaffeine
On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:41:47 -0400, Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote: When I was a teenager I swallowed a quarter. This was when quarters were 90% silver. It weighed 6.25 grams, so there was 5.625 grams of silver there. I weighted about 100 pounds, or about 40 KG. The lethal dose would be 2 to 20 grams. So I should have had a dosage that was in the lethal range. I did not even get sick. I cannot help but believe they are speaking of silver salts, not silver metal. Did you weigh the coin before and after? Any change? OH, har ,har.I slay myself Chuck THE LESSER-KNOWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES #5: VALGOL From its modest beginnings in Southern California's San Fernando Valley, VALGOL is enjoying a dramatic surge of popularity across the industry. Here is a sample program: LIKE, Y*KNOW(I MEAN)START IF PIZZA = LIKE BITCHEN AND GUY = LIKE TUBULAR AND VALLEY GIRL = LIKE GRODY**MAX(FERSURE)**2 THEN FOR I = LIKE 1 TO OH*MAYBE 100 DO*WAH - (DITTY**2) BARF(I)=TOTALLY GROSS(OUT) SURE LIKE BAG THIS PROGRAM REALLY LIKE TOTALLY (Y*KNOW) IM*SURE GOTO THE MALL When the user makes a syntax error, the interpreter displays the message: GAG ME WITH A SPOON!! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT -- Sea salt...
Mike-- As I've said for years, I can pass along full-spectrum sea salt various countries including Peru for $7 / lb. + shipping. Dissolved in water, it provides every geological mineral in ionic solution. (I agree that Celtic salt is a rip-off; and the French coast hosts some of the heaviest commercial shipping in the world--not the cleanest seawater!) I've heard of plain salt (rock or granular) being sold as 'sea salt' because of the lack a precise, legal definition. Then there are brands like DeSouza that repeatedly wash the product for cosmetic reasons, thus incurring a loss of certain minerals. Whole sea salt is gray-green and MOIST; i.e., having a certain portion that has never been dehydrated, unilke desiccated, free-flowing versions. It's clumpy but it crumbles easily. --Russ www.survivalsystem.com - Original Message - Pure sea salt is literally the best mineral/trace element nutritional supplement you can find. What source do you recommend? There are brands of sea salt, both iodized and not (Yes, I know, avoid the iodized) that come in paper cartons just like table salt. They're quite inexpensive. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: canola oil/con-ola oil
Re: Nexus Mag. It is not especially concerned about verifiable facts, contextual accuracies and rational perspectives. That has been my observation. Lots of good, but the occasional eyebrow-raiser. An expose of Satanism in high places quoted Alester Crowley's Law of Thelema as Do what you will shall be the whole of the Law; and ranted on at some length condemning it as license to violate natural law. The full quote is: Do what you will shall be the whole of the Law; Love is the law, love under will. Quite a difference. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Connie [mailto:wufn...@stargate.net] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT: canola oil/con-ola oil Thank you for your comments Ken. I was getting disappointed starting to read your response, as I thought it was a pretty good article, much better than all the bunk I had found the day before trying to find something ''good'' AGAINST canola oil. But your final statement eased my disappointment. (O: And thanks to IVAN for pointing it out to me! Connie This particular article looks to be pretty well balanced. From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:37:32 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOT: canola oil Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:17:41 -0700 Be aware that Nexus magazine publishes peoples beliefs and theorys. It will print anything that sounds interesting. It is not especially concerned about verifiable facts, contextual accuracies and rational perspectives. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: canola oil
Here's what Dr. Mary Enig had to say about canola oil -- http://www.mercola.com/2000/jan/23/canola_oil_update.htm . The bottom of the page contains info on Dr. Enig. Roman Connie wrote: Could others please forward to me privately what they feel the most compelling link for NOT using canola oil? TIA, Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT -- Sea salt...
I'm with Mikewhere do we get sea salt? - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:08 AM Subject: CSOT -- Sea salt... Pure sea salt is literally the best mineral/trace element nutritional supplement you can find. I don't disagree with anything you said in your post, Bill, but have a question... What source do you recommend? There are brands of sea salt, both iodized and not (Yes, I know, avoid the iodized) that come in paper cartons just like table salt. They're quite inexpensive. Then there's the Celtic sea salt that comes in plastic bags, still damp, in several grades of grind, and cost an arm and a leg. I'm talking 20 USD for a pound or two at the Health Food Store! Just curious. Mike D. (Yes, it's off topic. If there's more than a handful of followup posts, then we switch to silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com) [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
