Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Psilocybe cubensis and stropharia cubensis are the same mushroom. They are coprophilous. They work quite well for the brain. Never heard of them helping any physical problems. Trem - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:10 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Oh, spooky. Maybe the shroom enlightened a neoplasm. I'm no expert, but I think it is Stropharia Cubensis that grows in the pies. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? I love it! Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? I have never heard of that therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a project. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Glad gow syndrome Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting the noble cubensis in the distant 70s. But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in muscles over night. It seemed to have a magical property of concentrating a prodigious heat wherever the concentration was held on a certain spot with a healing intent. It feels much like a mentally directed niacin flush. Makes the spot reddish and radiant with heat. Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in the arm muscle vanishes by morning... I have no idea what it was, just that it went away and never came back. If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? Ken At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Have you guys been blending the sol with cow-pie fungi? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... The DR Clark Kent super zapper! It could change anyone in a phone booth in a real hurry! ..and make one leap over tall buildings. No para sites on M! [I have real sites ] Ken At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a Stun gun with silver ones. Impress your friends. WOO,HOO!!! LOL! And if one has to use it as a self defense device... You could induce some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds with silver at the same time. How thoughtful and considerate. :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSick sheep
Hi List, Our neighbor has a lamb about 6 months old that is running a fever of 105 F.and the fever is not responding to antibiotics. Its most significant symptom is the fever and lethargy. The fever was up to 107 F. It has been sick for 5 days and getting antibiotics for 4 days. The vet thinks it is an enterococcus or maybe pneumonia but no usual pneumonia symptoms are present. The digestive symptoms that accompany enterococcus infection are not present either. The stool was initially loose and had mucous when the antibiotics were first started but has since normalized. We have offered CS to her but she is worried about the rumen being compromised. Does anyone have any direct experience with giving CS to sheep? Thanks folks. Trem
Re: CSHVAC
From the archives. http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m41282.html - Original Message - I remember seeing something about using a neon sign transformer and the arc method to make it. Does anyone have any information on this? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSStrength
- Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:51 AM Subject: RE: CSStrength Does anyone know what heterotrophic means?: heterotrophic activities of the microbial flora James-Osbourne: Holmes Hi James, Hetero. Other,different Trophic. Of nutrition. (but it's used in terms of growth, action on something i.e the gonadotrophic hormones work or have action upon the gonads) As far as I'm aware virtually all bacteria are h/trophic and all animals. It's eating (and assimilation).
CSHeterotroph
Concerning microorganism nutritional requirement. Classification by carbon source: Autotroph - can use CO2 as their sole or principle source of carbon. Heterotroph - use reduced, preformed organic molecules as carbon sources (these molecules normally come from other organisms and are often used as a source of energy as well as carbon). Condensed from: Microbiology - Prescott Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTJ Garland and mycoplasmas
Thanks for all the replies on this.How does the hydrogen peroxide increase the effectiveness of the CS? I read an email that said taking cayenne pepper increased the absorption of CS, is that simply by increasing the blood flow to the vessels in your mouth therefore it is absorbed more efficiently? And if so would drinking a mug of hot liquid not have the same effect? Best wishes, Genevieve -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSLight-Scattering
An in depth investigation of light scattering, absorption and transmission, in gold and silver sols. Has some colour photographs of silver sols. Warning: scientific and technical...just ignore the math, perhaps start at page 13. http://www.geniconsciences.com/root/files/1293.pdf Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbuying cs instead of making it.
If when using salt, silver chloride is made...shouldn't we also get sodium hydroxide? [lye] And a fairly pronounced shift in PH? If injecting CS makes some silver chloride there should also be some sodium hydroxide. Not saying that this would be harmful. The amount of silver is very low to start with, so, not much silver choride or lye either. Ken At 10:17 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: elixsil...@citlink.net wrote: Ivan, Why would you thind that all the colloidal science and chemistry texts of decades ago (dozens)spoke only of coloidal silver- never ionic silver? Because they were made with chemical means of precipitation. Also- it seems to me that most people I have known to make their own solution had been making cloudy to white sol which I equated with low PPM batches of larger grey colloids. Sounds like none of them know what they are doing. I will not use cloudy to white. Sounds like they are using impure water and who knows what the final product contains. I thought this to be the norn, as I found salt seems to cause this to be all one can make. Never ever use salt. Everyone stopped using salt about 3 or 4 years ago. The chlorine reacts with the silver ions and give your silver chloride. Silver chloride is essentially non soluble so at best it is unavailable when you drink it. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it...
Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting the noble cubensis in the distant 70s. But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in muscles over night. It seemed to have a magical property of concentrating a prodigious heat wherever the concentration was held on a certain spot with a healing intent. It feels much like a mentally directed niacin flush. Makes the spot reddish and radiant with heat. Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in the arm muscle vanishes by morning... I have no idea what it was, just that it went away and never came back. If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? Ken At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Have you guys been blending the sol with cow-pie fungi? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... The DR Clark Kent super zapper! It could change anyone in a phone booth in a real hurry! ..and make one leap over tall buildings. No para sites on M! [I have real sites ] Ken At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a Stun gun with silver ones. Impress your friends. WOO,HOO!!! LOL! And if one has to use it as a self defense device... You could induce some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds with silver at the same time. How thoughtful and considerate. :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNewbie/Particle Size
One particle weighing over a gram has been used to kill werwolves when delivered in vivo at high velocity..according to legend. I hear the Lone Ranger was fond of using them on various people in black hats to quell the advance of nefarious intent. ..one particle/one organism found dead under the full moon Ken At 01:21 PM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Does that mean that one particle is capable of killing an organism? TIA, James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNewbie/Particle Size James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Also since one silver particle can kill one pathogen, the more you have the better. Very interesting. Do you have sharable references available? That should have read, one silver particle can kill one pathogen at a time, or better yet a silver particle can only kill a pathogen it comes in contact with, thus the more particles present, more pathogens can be affected. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSbuying cs instead of making it.
Ken, There will be no more OH- (the measure of pH) ions in the water than there would be if NaCl wasn't present. Sodium hydroxide is alkaline because it adds OH- ions to a solution. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 11:42 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSbuying cs instead of making it. If when using salt, silver chloride is made...shouldn't we also get sodium hydroxide? [lye] And a fairly pronounced shift in PH? If injecting CS makes some silver chloride there should also be some sodium hydroxide. Not saying that this would be harmful. The amount of silver is very low to start with, so, not much silver choride or lye either. Ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNewbie/Particle Size
LOL -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2002 12:14 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSNewbie/Particle Size One particle weighing over a gram has been used to kill werwolves when delivered in vivo at high velocity..according to legend. I hear the Lone Ranger was fond of using them on various people in black hats to quell the advance of nefarious intent. ..one particle/one organism found dead under the full moon Ken At 01:21 PM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Does that mean that one particle is capable of killing an organism? TIA, James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNewbie/Particle Size James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Also since one silver particle can kill one pathogen, the more you have the better. Very interesting. Do you have sharable references available? That should have read, one silver particle can kill one pathogen at a time, or better yet a silver particle can only kill a pathogen it comes in contact with, thus the more particles present, more pathogens can be affected. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbuying cs instead of making it.
Ode Coyote wrote: If when using salt, silver chloride is made...shouldn't we also get sodium hydroxide? [lye] And a fairly pronounced shift in PH? Yes. But how much would 5 ppm of sodium hydroxide shift the ph? If you add much salt at all the buffering effect of the remaining salt should keep it from varying widely. It would only take a minute amount of absorbed CO2 to neutralized the minute amount of sodium hydroxide. If injecting CS makes some silver chloride there should also be some sodium hydroxide. In this case the minute amount would react instantly with the CO2 that is always found in the blood I believe. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLight-Scattering
I have looked for years for the information in table 3! It seems all our estimates of particles size for yellow and gold sols has been on the low side by a factor of 2 to 4. The yellow particles are way over the size often given as the range of acceptable sizes which goes up to 15 nm. This article is definitely a keeper. Thanks for finding it. Marshall Ivan Anderson wrote: An in depth investigation of light scattering, absorption and transmission, in gold and silver sols. Has some colour photographs of silver sols. Warning: scientific and technical...just ignore the math, perhaps start at page 13. http://www.geniconsciences.com/root/files/1293.pdf Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTJ Garland and mycoplasma infections
I have a question or two about making the 3% H202/CS mixture. About 15 minutes after making a batch of CS using my LVDC method (3 batteries, heat stirred, 16 oz. distilled water, 12 g. . silver wires (my own brewing setup) - brewed for approx. 1 hour after the bubbles started coming off of the anode - was a very light yellow and had good Tyndall), I put a few drops of the 3% H202 into the CS and shook it and it immediately turned the most aweful shade of dark brown/grey I've ever seen. It also had many tiny bubbles like the H202 was reacting. I let it sit for a while hoping it would change into something a little more 'friendly' looking, but it didn't. So I added a little more H202 and it turned very light, almost clear, with alot more of the tiny bubbles in it. Finally after a few more minutes, it became totally clear with no bubbles at all. Was this a stage it went thru? What is actually going on when you add the H202? I read that it is dissolving the 'particles' of silver and turning the entire mixture into an ionic solution. If this is so, can you use too little or too much H202? It seemed like I used too little at first and by adding more it finished it's business. I just don't know. Anyone have the answer? Also, if you dissolve all the 'particles', does it still carry a positive charge? Thanks, Christine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSA WARNING from Health CooP
List : this is a warning posted yesterday on the Generic coop news letter. I shot back to them with my disgust, they responded. I think you should write to them too, if you have anything to say. This is a group of retired Dr.so running this company now, and they should be held responsible for what they report. At least with opposition. Their address is below Silver list guy Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ (gu...@ourhealthcoop.com)! COLLOIDAL SILVER - A WARNING! A lot of you write asking about how to make colloidal silver at home. Think again fair members! According to the FDA, no over-the-counter colloidal silver products are generally recognized as safe! In fact, Aldo cautions that overdosing can cause a condition called 'argyria,' which is a permanent, non-reversible bluish discoloration of the skin! Alchemists beware! Woof, woof! You've gotten introduced to the dog's wisdom. Please feel free to ask Aldo questions -- through moi (gu...@ourhealthcoop.com)! While I can't promise to get every question answered, yours may be one that we pick for a future newsletter! Cheerio, Guido The COOP had a reply below... Meow Tel, We'll be issuing an update shortly - apologies on the colloidal silver caution without enough context. Some newbies were sending some notes with some things that scared us that they weren't being careful. Re the Red Rice Yeast, we'll take another look. I have a note into the consulting firm and have called into question the guy assigned to us on this last set of questions. The owner is first rate and I sent the note to him. Stay tuned. We are working hard to support the Co-op members with quality and low prices. We will be sure to give conflicting sides fair play. And, I'm thinking about creating a members' council of sorts, to preview things from the Co-op. Thanks for taking the time to write - I appreciate it, even if it stings a bit sometimes! Yours truly, Guido
Re: CSLight-Scattering
Ivan, Thanks for the excellent reference paper on this. I feel it supports my suggestion of the use of a standardized laser pointer for the home brewer to insure their production of high quality CS. This should finally clear away the contention of some that only particles close in size to the wavelength of the pointer ( 650nm ) could be seen. If the solution is clear and you can see the laser beam, you are making good CS. The more pronounced the beam, the higher the PPM of particles. Best Regards, Arnold Beland - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: *Silver-List* silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:11 AM Subject: CSLight-Scattering An in depth investigation of light scattering, absorption and transmission, in gold and silver sols. Has some colour photographs of silver sols. Warning: scientific and technical...just ignore the math, perhaps start at page 13. http://www.geniconsciences.com/root/files/1293.pdf Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBad batch of CS
It does sound like an allergic reaction, but not to the silver. The timing is not right. If they were to have a reaction it would be expected when they were applying it, not days later. Marshall edkas...@pacbell wrote: I made C-S with a 120 volt DC Rectifier (54VDC out) using distilled water. It always comes out clear no flakes. I gave some to a patient of mine (I do acupuncture and herbs) for cellulites and it worked great. However another person reported : after using it topically, I noticed I was very tired, so after a week, I stopped. After a few days, I noticed a fairly big red mark on my leg, that appeared like a bug bite. A few days later, bumps all over my body appeared, and worsened. These bumps were smaller than the larger bump on my leg that initially appeared. They itched very badly. I went to the doctor, and he said it was probably an allergic reaction, and put my on medication. Is there a way (or lab) that I can get this tested? Has anyone else similar experience? Ed Kasper Santa Cruz, California --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/2002 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBad batch of CS
I made C-S with a 120 volt DC Rectifier (54VDC out) using distilled water. It always comes out clear no flakes. I gave some to a patient of mine (I do acupuncture and herbs) for cellulites and it worked great. However another person reported : after using it topically, I noticed I was very tired, so after a week, I stopped. After a few days, I noticed a fairly big red mark on my leg, that appeared like a bug bite. A few days later, bumps all over my body appeared, and worsened. These bumps were smaller than the larger bump on my leg that initially appeared. They itched very badly. I went to the doctor, and he said it was probably an allergic reaction, and put my on medication. Is there a way (or lab) that I can get this tested? Has anyone else similar experience? Ed Kasper Santa Cruz, California --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/2002 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Ode Coyote wrote: Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several of those. Jeannie -- We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHeterotroph
From: Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:04:25 +1200 Subject: CSHeterotroph Ivan wrote: Concerning microorganism nutritional requirement. Classification by carbon source: Autotroph - can use CO2 as their sole or principle source of carbon. Heterotroph - use reduced, preformed organic molecules as carbon sources (these molecules normally come from other organisms and are often used as a source of energy as well as carbon). Condensed from: Microbiology - Prescott Hi Ivan, so what am I supposed to learn from the above? Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? I love it! Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? I have never heard of that therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a project. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Glad gow syndrome Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting the noble cubensis in the distant 70s. But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in muscles over night. It seemed to have a magical property of concentrating a prodigious heat wherever the concentration was held on a certain spot with a healing intent. It feels much like a mentally directed niacin flush. Makes the spot reddish and radiant with heat. Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in the arm muscle vanishes by morning... I have no idea what it was, just that it went away and never came back. If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? Ken At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Have you guys been blending the sol with cow-pie fungi? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... The DR Clark Kent super zapper! It could change anyone in a phone booth in a real hurry! ..and make one leap over tall buildings. No para sites on M! [I have real sites ] Ken At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a Stun gun with silver ones. Impress your friends. WOO,HOO!!! LOL! And if one has to use it as a self defense device... You could induce some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds with silver at the same time. How thoughtful and considerate. :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSbuying cs instead of making it.
Without attempting the math, I guess that the absorbed CO2 from the room air probably has a greater effect on the pH than the salt. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:05 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSbuying cs instead of making it. Ode Coyote wrote: If when using salt, silver chloride is made...shouldn't we also get sodium hydroxide? [lye] And a fairly pronounced shift in PH? Yes. But how much would 5 ppm of sodium hydroxide shift the ph? If you add much salt at all the buffering effect of the remaining salt should keep it from varying widely. It would only take a minute amount of absorbed CO2 to neutralized the minute amount of sodium hydroxide. If injecting CS makes some silver chloride there should also be some sodium hydroxide. In this case the minute amount would react instantly with the CO2 that is always found in the blood I believe. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSbuying cs instead of making it.
I guess the real question is what happens to the sodium when the silver combines with the chlorine in the presence of salt? Ken At 12:49 AM 8/31/02 +1200, you wrote: Ken, There will be no more OH- (the measure of pH) ions in the water than there would be if NaCl wasn't present. Sodium hydroxide is alkaline because it adds OH- ions to a solution. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 11:42 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSbuying cs instead of making it. If when using salt, silver chloride is made...shouldn't we also get sodium hydroxide? [lye] And a fairly pronounced shift in PH? If injecting CS makes some silver chloride there should also be some sodium hydroxide. Not saying that this would be harmful. The amount of silver is very low to start with, so, not much silver choride or lye either. Ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTJ Garland and mycoplasma infections
I once used a few drops of H2O2 as a starter and made silver snow flakes like you'd see in one of those snow scene paper weights. Ken At 10:28 AM 8/30/02 -0400, you wrote: I have a question or two about making the 3% H202/CS mixture. About 15 minutes after making a batch of CS using my LVDC method (3 batteries, heat stirred, 16 oz. distilled water, 12 g. . silver wires (my own brewing setup) - brewed for approx. 1 hour after the bubbles started coming off of the anode - was a very light yellow and had good Tyndall), I put a few drops of the 3% H202 into the CS and shook it and it immediately turned the most aweful shade of dark brown/grey I've ever seen. It also had many tiny bubbles like the H202 was reacting. I let it sit for a while hoping it would change into something a little more 'friendly' looking, but it didn't. So I added a little more H202 and it turned very light, almost clear, with alot more of the tiny bubbles in it. Finally after a few more minutes, it became totally clear with no bubbles at all. Was this a stage it went thru? What is actually going on when you add the H202? I read that it is dissolving the 'particles' of silver and turning the entire mixture into an ionic solution. If this is so, can you use too little or too much H202? It seemed like I used too little at first and by adding more it finished it's business. I just don't know. Anyone have the answer? Also, if you dissolve all the 'particles', does it still carry a positive charge? Thanks, Christine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSbuying cs instead of making it.
So, we come up with a small amount of sodium bi carbonate? [Baking soda] Ken At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: Without attempting the math, I guess that the absorbed CO2 from the room air probably has a greater effect on the pH than the salt. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:05 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSbuying cs instead of making it. Ode Coyote wrote: If when using salt, silver chloride is made...shouldn't we also get sodium hydroxide? [lye] And a fairly pronounced shift in PH? Yes. But how much would 5 ppm of sodium hydroxide shift the ph? If you add much salt at all the buffering effect of the remaining salt should keep it from varying widely. It would only take a minute amount of absorbed CO2 to neutralized the minute amount of sodium hydroxide. If injecting CS makes some silver chloride there should also be some sodium hydroxide. In this case the minute amount would react instantly with the CO2 that is always found in the blood I believe. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBad batch of CS
Anecdotal reports of allergy to silver have appeared on this list from time to time. Usually, they involved daily handling of jewelry-grade silver. The symptoms I remember were cracking and bleeding of the hands. Perhaps you can obtain some silver made with another process that has been widely used topically without adverse effects and try that. If there is no reaction; it probably was that batch of silver. If there is still a reaction it is probably a reaction to silver itself. A superinfection caused by killing off competing organisms is unlikely, because CS will probably kill all of them. Maybe it was a bug bite. Maybe it was something else. I would have put silver on the bumps. There has never been a report of PO consumption of CS causing a rash on this list. One lab that knows how to handle CS is: Kimball Labs (801) 571-3695 Lyle Kimball charges (last I checked) $100 for both the following: 1. Determine total Ag/unit volume 2. Levels of trace toxic elements such as iron, nickel, copper, lead. He probably, at additional cost, tell you the ratio of dissolved monatomic silver, commonly called ionic silver on this list to charged silver particles, that according to most references I have seen, are also called ions. He uses an atomic absorption spectrophototometer. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: edkas...@pacbell [mailto:edkas...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBad batch of CS I made C-S with a 120 volt DC Rectifier (54VDC out) using distilled water. It always comes out clear no flakes. I gave some to a patient of mine (I do acupuncture and herbs) for cellulites and it worked great. However another person reported : after using it topically, I noticed I was very tired, so after a week, I stopped. After a few days, I noticed a fairly big red mark on my leg, that appeared like a bug bite. A few days later, bumps all over my body appeared, and worsened. These bumps were smaller than the larger bump on my leg that initially appeared. They itched very badly. I went to the doctor, and he said it was probably an allergic reaction, and put my on medication. Is there a way (or lab) that I can get this tested? Has anyone else similar experience? Ed Kasper Santa Cruz, California --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/2002 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? I love it! Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? I have never heard of that therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a project. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Glad gow syndrome Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting the noble cubensis in the distant 70s. But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in muscles over night. It seemed to have a magical property of concentrating a prodigious heat wherever the concentration was held on a certain spot with a healing intent. It feels much like a mentally directed niacin flush. Makes the spot reddish and radiant with heat. Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in the arm muscle vanishes by morning... I have no idea what it was, just that it went away and never came back. If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? Ken At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Have you guys been blending the sol with cow-pie fungi? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... The DR Clark Kent super zapper! It could change anyone in a phone booth in a real hurry! ..and make one leap over tall buildings. No para sites on M! [I have real sites ] Ken At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a Stun gun with silver ones. Impress your friends. WOO,HOO!!! LOL! And if one has to use it as a self defense device... You could induce some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds with silver at the same time. How thoughtful and considerate. :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSbuying cs instead of making it.
Lye, from the ionization of the water? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:53 PM To: *Silver-List* Subject: RE: CSbuying cs instead of making it. I guess the real question is what happens to the sodium when the silver combines with the chlorine in the presence of salt? Ken At 12:49 AM 8/31/02 +1200, you wrote: Ken, There will be no more OH- (the measure of pH) ions in the water than there would be if NaCl wasn't present. Sodium hydroxide is alkaline because it adds OH- ions to a solution. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 11:42 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSbuying cs instead of making it. If when using salt, silver chloride is made...shouldn't we also get sodium hydroxide? [lye] And a fairly pronounced shift in PH? If injecting CS makes some silver chloride there should also be some sodium hydroxide. Not saying that this would be harmful. The amount of silver is very low to start with, so, not much silver choride or lye either. Ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSbuying cs instead of making it.
I think it makes carbonic acid, but my chemistry is fuzzy. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSbuying cs instead of making it. So, we come up with a small amount of sodium bi carbonate? [Baking soda] Ken At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: Without attempting the math, I guess that the absorbed CO2 from the room air probably has a greater effect on the pH than the salt. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:05 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSbuying cs instead of making it. Ode Coyote wrote: If when using salt, silver chloride is made...shouldn't we also get sodium hydroxide? [lye] And a fairly pronounced shift in PH? Yes. But how much would 5 ppm of sodium hydroxide shift the ph? If you add much salt at all the buffering effect of the remaining salt should keep it from varying widely. It would only take a minute amount of absorbed CO2 to neutralized the minute amount of sodium hydroxide. If injecting CS makes some silver chloride there should also be some sodium hydroxide. In this case the minute amount would react instantly with the CO2 that is always found in the blood I believe. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Oh, spooky. Maybe the shroom enlightened a neoplasm. I'm no expert, but I think it is Stropharia Cubensis that grows in the pies. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? I love it! Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? I have never heard of that therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a project. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Glad gow syndrome Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting the noble cubensis in the distant 70s. But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in muscles over night. It seemed to have a magical property of concentrating a prodigious heat wherever the concentration was held on a certain spot with a healing intent. It feels much like a mentally directed niacin flush. Makes the spot reddish and radiant with heat. Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in the arm muscle vanishes by morning... I have no idea what it was, just that it went away and never came back. If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? Ken At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Have you guys been blending the sol with cow-pie fungi? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... The DR Clark Kent super zapper! It could change anyone in a phone booth in a real hurry! ..and make one leap over tall buildings. No para sites on M! [I have real sites ] Ken At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a Stun gun with silver ones. Impress your friends. WOO,HOO!!! LOL! And if one has to use it as a self defense device... You could induce some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds with silver at the same time. How thoughtful and considerate. :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBad batch of CS
- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Re: CSBad batch of CS It does sound like an allergic reaction, but not to the silver. The timing is not right. If they were to have a reaction it would be expected when they were applying it, not days later. Marshall edkas...@pacbell wrote: I made C-S with a 120 volt DC Rectifier (54VDC out) using distilled water. It always comes out clear no flakes. I gave some to a patient of mine (I do acupuncture and herbs) for cellulites and it worked great. However another person reported : after using it topically, I noticed I was very tired, so after a week, I stopped. After a few days, I noticed a fairly big red mark on my leg, that appeared like a bug bite. A few days later, bumps all over my body appeared, and worsened. These bumps were smaller than the larger bump on my leg that initially appeared. They itched very badly. I went to the doctor, and he said it was probably an allergic reaction, and put my on medication. Is there a way (or lab) that I can get this tested? Has anyone else similar experience? Ed Kasper Santa Cruz, California --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/2002 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
Tel, thanks for writing back to these jokers. I won't be...woof, woof! meow! fair members ? I think these retired Doctors have been at the gas and air once too often. Regards Rod - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire To: Silver list Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
Dear Rod, You said: Tel, thanks for writing back to these jokers. I won't be... woof, woof! meow! fair members ? I think these retired Doctors have been at the gas and air once too often. The guy isn't a doctor. That's why he's hiding out in the islands. He was exposed as a fraud and huckster.. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
You are misinformed. There ARE those that don't like him though. That's part of life... Chuck When a clock is hungry it goes back four seconds. On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:15:15 -0400, Catherine Creel ccr...@maine.rr.com wrote: The guy isn't a doctor. That's why he's hiding out in the islands. He was exposed as a fraud and huckster.. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
You are misinformed. There ARE those that don't like him though. That's part of life... No, Chuck, I'm really not. All the evidence is available. I don't make statements based upon others' statements. I look for facts. I found them. Kallie Miller has all the links to the evidence. I think she is a member of this group. His actual name is Stewart. I don't have the time to re-create the trail. Perhaps Kallie will speak up. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
Kallie is part of mr Tracys' group. They allow character assassination as long as it's not about their own members. Went through all of this a year ago. It still surfaces, showing how powerful gossip and innuendo can be. I find it despicable. Chuck Gonorrhea: how a New Englander describes vacationing in Brazil On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:57:43 -0400, Catherine Creel ccr...@maine.rr.com wrote: You are misinformed. There ARE those that don't like him though. That's part of life... No, Chuck, I'm really not. All the evidence is available. I don't make statements based upon others' statements. I look for facts. I found them. Kallie Miller has all the links to the evidence. I think she is a member of this group. His actual name is Stewart. I don't have the time to re-create the trail. Perhaps Kallie will speak up. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
Tel: Very Interesting, thanks for the post. It seems that their response was both reasonable and cordial. I never expect MD's, without any experience and only brief research, to have any other position on colloidal silver. What seperates the thinkers from the perpetually ignorant is a willingness to investigate further. Jason - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire To: Silver list Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: CSA WARNING from Health CooP List : this is a warning posted yesterday on the Generic coop news letter. I shot back to them with my disgust, they responded. I think you should write to them too, if you have anything to say. This is a group of retired Dr.so running this company now, and they should be held responsible for what they report. At least with opposition. Their address is below Silver list guy Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ (gu...@ourhealthcoop.com)! COLLOIDAL SILVER - A WARNING! A lot of you write asking about how to make colloidal silver at home. Think again fair members! According to the FDA, no over-the-counter colloidal silver products are generally recognized as safe! In fact, Aldo cautions that overdosing can cause a condition called 'argyria,' which is a permanent, non-reversible bluish discoloration of the skin! Alchemists beware! Woof, woof! You've gotten introduced to the dog's wisdom. Please feel free to ask Aldo questions -- through moi (gu...@ourhealthcoop.com)! While I can't promise to get every question answered, yours may be one that we pick for a future newsletter! Cheerio, Guido The COOP had a reply below... Meow Tel, We'll be issuing an update shortly - apologies on the colloidal silver caution without enough context. Some newbies were sending some notes with some things that scared us that they weren't being careful. Re the Red Rice Yeast, we'll take another look. I have a note into the consulting firm and have called into question the guy assigned to us on this last set of questions. The owner is first rate and I sent the note to him. Stay tuned. We are working hard to support the Co-op members with quality and low prices. We will be sure to give conflicting sides fair play. And, I'm thinking about creating a members' council of sorts, to preview things from the Co-op. Thanks for taking the time to write - I appreciate it, even if it stings a bit sometimes! Yours truly, Guido
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
Hi Listers, The guy isn't a doctor. That's why he's hiding out in the islands. He was exposed as a fraud and huckster.. I have been a memeber of the Co-op for over a year now and all I have to say about it is its the best thing since toast was invented! I get quality products far cheaper then I can anywhere else and they take care of their customers well. I could care less what Jon, Stuart, Dr.Jon, The catmaster or whommever he is,he has done a great thing for a whole lot of people and I dont have a ounce of malice for him or the C0-Op! I saw the CS warning and wanted to respond to it also. I think this is a case of the consultant being misinformed and he needs to be set straight on it. Ceartainly someone in this group more qualified then myself can do that? Don Wells -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSick sheep
IV might be the best course. And if you could put an ultrasonic humidifer with CS in it, it might make it into the lungs if pneumonia is prescent. Marshall Trem wrote: Hi List, Our neighbor has a lamb about 6 months old that is running a fever of 105 F.and the fever is not responding to antibiotics. Its most significant symptom is the fever and lethargy. The fever was up to 107 F. It has been sick for 5 days and getting antibiotics for 4 days. The vet thinks it is an enterococcus or maybe pneumonia but no usual pneumonia symptoms are present. The digestive symptoms that accompany enterococcus infection are not present either. The stool was initially loose and had mucous when the antibiotics were first started but has since normalized. We have offered CS to her but she is worried about the rumen being compromised. Does anyone have any direct experience with giving CS to sheep? Thanks folks. Trem
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
i am a member of this co-op and enjoy the prices and all. i took exception to his comments r.e. Cs, and sent him an email. but i have heard you expound your beliefs on several topics, and would like you to back up your statements here. - Original Message - From: Catherine Creel ccr...@maine.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP Dear Rod, You said: Tel, thanks for writing back to these jokers. I won't be... woof, woof! meow! fair members ? I think these retired Doctors have been at the gas and air once too often. The guy isn't a doctor. That's why he's hiding out in the islands. He was exposed as a fraud and huckster.. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTJ Garland and mycoplasmas
I'm not sure what happens, exactly, but in my simple mind, I think of the hydrogen (like in the bomb) pulverizing the silver into the tiniest of pieces, so they are able to get into the bloodstream. - Original Message - From: J S Campbell campbe...@ecossetel.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:05 AM Subject: CSTJ Garland and mycoplasmas Thanks for all the replies on this.How does the hydrogen peroxide increase the effectiveness of the CS? I read an email that said taking cayenne pepper increased the absorption of CS, is that simply by increasing the blood flow to the vessels in your mouth therefore it is absorbed more efficiently? And if so would drinking a mug of hot liquid not have the same effect? Best wishes, Genevieve -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
i am a member of this co-op and enjoy the prices and all. i took exception to his comments r.e. Cs, and sent him an email. but i have heard you expound your beliefs on several topics, and would like you to back up your statements here. As I said, Kallie Miller has all the evidence. She can be found on Yahoo group Mr. Tracy's Corner. I don't expound beliefs, I expound facts. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
Kallie is part of mr Tracys' group. They allow character assassination as long as it's not about their own members. Went through all of this a year ago. It still surfaces, showing how powerful gossip and innuendo can be. I find it despicable. Take a look at any of the sites where current and previously licensed physicians are listed. You'll never find him. I wouldn't call what was done on Tracy's list character assassination. There was a tremendous amount of damning evidence, including articles from a newspaper in Florida, and mention of the very same cats Dr. Jon talks about now - except then, his name was Stewart. That's the last I'm saying on the topic. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSick sheep
Trem, I have used CS mixed with milk replica for calves who already had the scours. It helped the scours. One calf had a respiratory infection so we put him on IV CS, but started him on oral. Both calves lived to become ground round! In speaking with a vet about giving oral CS to a rumen, he said a severe infection was more of a threat, but then he did add that the gut flora might need adjusting with one of the multitude of products available. On our farm we mix it with the horse water periodically and have had a calf drink some occasionally. No ill effects. Just my opinion, but having worked in veterinary medicine for eons, we generally try to address the original problem and be supportive of secondary issues. I don't think sheep tolerate high temps as well as most animals. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: Re: CSSick sheep IV might be the best course. And if you could put an ultrasonic humidifer with CS in it, it might make it into the lungs if pneumonia is prescent. Marshall Trem wrote: Hi List, Our neighbor has a lamb about 6 months old that is running a fever of 105 F.and the fever is not responding to antibiotics. Its most significant symptom is the fever and lethargy. The fever was up to 107 F. It has been sick for 5 days and getting antibiotics for 4 days. The vet thinks it is an enterococcus or maybe pneumonia but no usual pneumonia symptoms are present. The digestive symptoms that accompany enterococcus infection are not present either. The stool was initially loose and had mucous when the antibiotics were first started but has since normalized. We have offered CS to her but she is worried about the rumen being compromised. Does anyone have any direct experience with giving CS to sheep? Thanks folks. Trem
