Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy From: Marshall Dudley Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:38:59 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79800.html I am pretty sure I answered those questions at length. I really don't have time to do it again. Marshall Well, if you can't be bothered, then either you don't think it is very important, or you are unable to support your claims. That is fine with me. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM From: Jay Ice
CSPPM From: Jay Ice Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:50:52 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59550.html How much water makes 1 part per million? Ice Jay, it looks like you are trying to get an idea of what 1 part per million means. It is a very small amount. For example, it is like trying to find one specific penny in a stack of pennies three quarters of a mile high. Or, it is like comparing the weight of a single penny to the weight of a Ford F250 pickup truck. Since it is such a small amount, it means the equipment we use to make and store cs has to be carefully protected against contamination. For example, household cleaning products that contain bleach or vinegar can spray droplets that go an amazing distance. These can contaminate your cs or generator and render it useless. The salt test is a good way to check if your system is operating properly. Pour 1/2 inch of cs in a shot glass and add a pinch of pickling or canning salt. (Ordinary table salt contains anti-cacking agents that cloud the solution and give confusing results.) In a few minutes, as the salt begins to dissolve, you should see a dispersion appear as the silver ions combine with the chlorine to form silver chloride. The color and strength of the dispersion is an indication of the concentration of silver ions in the solution. A pale blue dispersion that is barely visible is about 5 uS. A 20 uS solution gives a white dispersion with well-defined edges, but you can still see your fingers if you look through the glass. A 40 uS solution makes a very dense dispersion that obscures objects behind the glass. As you get familiar with the salt test, you can use it to find the optimum brew time for your generator by adjusting for the strongest dispersion. The salt test also shows if the dw is poor quality, or if an ion channel happened to form during the brew. These are hard to spot, but they greatly reduce the ion concentration in your brew. Does this help? Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSADHD
Cindy and others... My son has slight ADD. He also has a reading disability. However once he was seen by an Ear Nose and Throat specialist who asked about his food allergies. I said Joshua didn't have any allergies, he in turn asked me how long Joshua had acted like he did...talking a lot, climbing things, being VERY active. Of course to me that was just Joshua. The MD persuaded me to have allergy testing done and sure enough Joshua was allergic to a host of foods. Once off of them his hyper activity was much easier to manage. I am not saying allergies are totally responsible for ADD or ADHD, because as a matter of fact I think the predominance of estrogens (plastics, petroleum-based products [margarine anyone??]) in our environment (water, air, food, etc) is responsible for most of it. What I am saying is that: yes, there is a very real problem. Lets find out what is causing it instead of treating symptoms. Lori -Original Message- From: CH [mailto:ch...@comcast.net] Be careful. It's easy to say some of these problems aren't real if you're not the one dealing with it. As much as I like the natural world because that is where true healing is, some of us get to the point where we chose drugs because nothing else has worked. And I speak from experience of ADD since my oldest boy has it. Call it what you will but something is amiss neurologically. Yes, far too many boys are asked to get tested for ADD simply because they are active little boys. Cindy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSexcuse grammatical mistakes
In The Mighty Highway of Libertarianism I found two 'whoms' and a 'too' mistakenly put. Please excuse .. I am supposed to be a teacher of English .. guess I got carried away some. Moreover: This should have been Off Topic, right? Faith _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWilliam's Rosemary interview.
William. I for one would love read more about your interview with Rosemary Jacobs. And why wouldn't anyone buy it? David Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary? * From: William Missett (view other messages by this author http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html?by=Authora=William%20Missett) * Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:16:25 Early on, about the same time I joined this list as an inquiring journalist, I interviewed Rosemary for my planned magazine piece (never produced because no one would buy it). I put the question to her in several different ways as to whether she was benefitting in any way from her opposition to CS, and she swore up and down to several different questions, that she was not and had not been paid by anyone to prompt her crusade. She said the only funds she ever took from anyone was one time she had her expenses to a new age fair paid for, so she could go and show everybody what happens when you consume CS. (She would not address the issue of validating her attack on CS when she doesn't even know what form of silver she consumed). Unless she was flat out lying to me, she isn't a paid shill for the pharmacartels, just one very misguided, bitter victim of argyria, who blindly blames CS for her problem.
RE: CSThe Mighty Highway of Libertarianism
Hi Faith; Well as far ad Dr. Moerman idea that a thought could cause cancer. Dr. Hamer found abnormalities in the brain caused by an unexpected shock (depending on how the shock was perceived) can be seen on a cat scan and it can be told what organ or illness is manifested from this. Of course Dr. Hamer is in a French jail trying to get out for a conference where they plan to nominate him for the Nobel medical prize. http://germannewmedicine.ca Another website that is also worth checking out is www.newmedicine.ca It is a very helpful system combined with homeopathic remedies and Flower essences to treat past shock but this information can help people understand how were perceive shock and how to handle our reactions better to prevent illness!!! For instance turning the other cheek (loosing the resentment that goes with the attack is much healthier for us) There are other European links in German and French, you may have to Google for it as I can not seem to find them right off hand (behind in filling) Louise -Original Message- From: Faith Saint Francis [mailto:faithstfran...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:11 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSThe Mighty Highway of Libertarianism SNIP Have you heard of the Dutch Dr. Moerman? He treated AND CURED cancer, even in the last state, some 30 years ago, by his fresh, un-heard of approach. And what did they do to Dr. Moerman, when he had proved his case over and over again? They nailed him to the cross. Not because they wanted to neglect his right. No, it was obvious, and now it is even pronounced out loud that Dr. Moerman was a threat to the interests of those who sold kobalt apparatus (for mainstream treatments of cancer) at millions, nay billions of dollars. Poor Dr. Moerman died before he could prove his next test: That cancer may also be caused by bad thought (This was in the sixties. What did mainstream do, among other things, to rid themselves of Dr. Moerman? They called his approach unscientific, as is often done to new thoughts) SNIP Love Faith _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSADHD
I have a 26 yr old son who was an easy baby until we vaccinated him. After that colic and hyperactivity, by 6 months he was walking and diagnosed as hyperactive. Once into school he was again evaluated and determined to be ADHD and to have a short term memory deficit. I made sure he wasn't getting any food with preservatives as this was the Dr.'s instructions. Now I believe that the vaccinations are the reason we see so much of this today. The adjunct used in the vaccine most likely is the trigger. He is still affected at 26. Teri -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSoff topic - humour regarding drug companies
Many of these disorders are real..but are they diseases that should be treated with drugs??? IMO, unless there is something wrong with the brain or glands, natural chemicals should be made naturally and the reason why they aren't should be addressed, rather than masking over the root of the problem with synthetic chemicals. The problem with Heroin is not that it's a dangerous drug [in nonlethal doses..which ends all problems post haste], but that it so closly mimics a natural chemical and when heroin is used too often, the brain/body decides it doesn't need to make it anymore. The results are well known. IMO, the only 'legitamite' use for mood altering chemicals is: A] Occasional sport B] A reminder to the 'person' that feeling good and being functional is possible, therefore, something that can be achieved. [People do forget how to feel good sometimes and can even become addicted to not feeling good. If you have forgotton that you CAN feel good, you won't start 'doing' it.] ..see reason 'A' and bookmark that page to refer to when your mental feedback loop story goes South. But keeping a mental balance is the responsibility of the person, not a doc and a lab. You CAN decide to let go of depression in most cases, for instance, but it takes taking responsibility for mental state to do that. If you have decided that your mind is not yours, good luck...and that's what pills help you do beyond reminding you of what a feel-good decision feels like. Dependence on an offical paid enabler isn't going to help you be anywhere other than where you are. Then too, society seems to want everyone to fit some cookie cutter definition of what you are 'supposed' to feel like. Artists are often nuts for a reason. A well balanced happy person has a hard time writing mournful lost love songs. Angst is sometimes useful and that artist is only happy 'because' he isn't. [If he weren't nuts, he'd be broke] Snap out of it! I can't! ..well, there ya go. You are absolutely right. I hear voices in my head! Well..so do I. Why do 'you' listen to them? Ever stop to think that a person with ADHD might actually be BORED and finds distracting internal mental activity [ suppressed genius maybe? ..maybe self indulgent depression] more stimulating? Poor self image? Oh, you didn't know that ALL self images are a total fantasy? Wake UP! Life is a game of Help me prove my fantasy real ..no matter WHAT that fantasy is, you'll get help proving it real. If you don't like it..it's time to start arguing with yourself in such a manner as to win the argument. PS, You ALWAYS win the arguement. The only way to lose is to decide and prove to yourself that your own thoughts aren't yours. Then, losing IS winning. [You ALWAYS WIN and your every sense WILL validate it, no matter WHAT was won.] Self validating feedback loops can be tricky. Just know that all of them belong to you and you alone and you can un-trick [re-trick] yourself the same way. After all, If EVERY image is a lie, then you can pick any lie you wish...and DO...whether you know it or not. I am the easiest person in this universe for me to fool. I can even fool myself into believing I can't. And always do so with the utmost success. It is THE greatest power in the universe. [It may well be the ONLY power in the universe.] ..and one that cannot not be used by any being that endeavors to perceive. Perception is [proven] NOT PASSIVE It 'appears' to be passive. Nothing 'IS', as it appears. One day, I tricked myself into believing I was on Earth. I did everything I needed to do to make it absolutely con-vincing to me. Boy, oh boy! That birth thing. [Thanks for co-operating, Mom. You believe it too, don'cha? That's a big help. Thanks.] All that growing up. Acne and hormones and broken bones. MASTERFUL! ..so good that I STILL believe it. I believe it because I remember it...but then, I remember some things that didn't happen too. Some must not have because such things can't happen, right? Others look different now, but I remember how they looked then. I must have been nuts. What has changed? Nothing. [I'm still nuts and still believe I'm not..that's the way it all works.] It's simple troubleshooting logic: If you want to solve a problem, look for what all the effects of the problem have in common. What problem is it and what does it affect? [who?] Ode Wan Coyote [bites his fantasy of a tail...again. The pain proving it real to his absolute satisfaction. Self validating feedback loop...end of search.] Question: If I feel compelled to believe something, can I do it without biting? Maybe I should bite YOUR tail, so you'll bite mine and make it all convincingly real...and your fault. [Many shades of dial 9/11?] Now why is it that dogs don't lick their balls more often? Pain is more convincing? [Chomp, YELP!, yup] [Dog ..god seen backwards, an image in a mirror.. must be crazy] So, he shall 'be'. Good doggie! ...and Mona Lisa smiles her master painted
Re: CSoff topic - humour regarding drug companies
If pollutants were the only factor, everyone in that environment would have ADHD and none in another environment would. There is something else in common with the effects. Ever stop to notice that some people don't want to pay attention? Maybe they find something or other dull? [What the heck should be interesting?] No one ever tries to manipulate anyone? Everyone is aware of what they are doing and why? No one justifies anything by blaming something else? [Who decides what's just and what's not?] Anything can be used for many purposes...including toxins. Toxins may be a tool, but they're not 'the' cause. Remove the hammer, and thumbs may well sigh in relief. But then, there are rocks. Get it? Then again, whatever it takes to break a chain breaks a chain. If toxins are being used as a link in a chemical chain? It doesn't have to make sense, especially if the chain doesn't make sense. Ummm, come to think about it...there's not that much going on with humans that does make sense. That's what makes us interesting. We are very powerful but not always very smart. But then, 'smart' is an opinion and depends on point of view. Carry on. Ode At 09:54 AM 4/25/2005 -0500, you wrote: Many many alternative folks believe this is so. Believe that the disease is simply what happens to a young body and brain chemically polluted by its environment. Many folks cure themselves of this condition by simply removing the toxins, as much as possible, from their homes, and by changing their diets to natural whole organic foods, no preservatives or processed foods of any kind. My guess is that it is an oversimplification to say ADHD doesn't exist or isn't real. The presentatin of symptoms does exist. But at the very least drugs are far far far overprescribed for this condition. It has become a catch all excuse for medicating kids. Joy ADHD is not real? Not being sarcastic. Callie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: CSCS pneumonia protocol with air brush
The Reloin humidifier has a filter under the water feed that's not interconnected with the transducer. It will run without it. I never tried doing that with a Walgreen unit and don't have one to try it on. Perhaps there's a way to bypass any interconnects? Put a weight on a lever or switch? Gut the filter? Ode Ode, I have both the Walgreen ($20.00) and the Omron humidifier($50.00w dsc). They both are excellent. You say remove the filter on the Walgreen one--I tried, and the machine will not run. Tell me how you achieved success?!Pete No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary? From: alchemySA wrote: Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:43:43 Quackwatch loves Rosemary because she is a 'hit magnet'. Thats why they'll never change the site. David Ya, and she'll say bad things about Colloidal Silver 'til she's blue in the face... ;-)) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
Mike Take a look at this http://www.crscientific.com/brownlee-electrolysis-apparatus.html Odd coincidences: Yul Brown and Browns gas Dennis Lee who promotes it at his con-man shows. [Everything there is real enough, he just puts it all together to make it look like something it isn't] Ode I then developed a dual-chamber cs generator that produces 54uS cs: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78983.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
Payment [aka payoff] is not always in money. If expenses are being paid, the other payoffs become more worth persuing. Ode At 12:37 PM 4/25/2005 -0500, you wrote: Early on, about the same time I joined this list as an inquiring journalist, I interviewed Rosemary for my planned magazine piece (never produced because no one would buy it). I put the question to her in several different ways as to whether she was benefitting in any way from her opposition to CS, and she swore up and down to several different questions, that she was not and had not been paid by anyone to prompt her crusade. She said the only funds she ever took from anyone was one time she had her expenses to a new age fair paid for, so she could go and show everybody what happens when you consume CS. (She would not address the issue of validating her attack on CS when she doesn't even know what form of silver she consumed). Unless she was flat out lying to me, she isn't a paid shill for the pharmacartels, just one very misguided, bitter victim of argyria, who blindly blames CS for her problem. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary? | All I can say is she must be getting paid well. She is first messed up by a | doctor giving her silver nitrate, then messed up more by one trying to do | dermabration on her. So what does she do, she sides with the doctors against | a natural way of curing thing that does not cause argyria and tries to say | that it is what caused hers. The only reason I can think of that she would | side those that did this to her and direct her accusations against a cure the | doctors don't want people to know about is if they are paying her very very | well. | | I hope the money is worth it for her, I am sure she will pay for this | deception sometime. | | Marshall | | M. G. Devour wrote: | | All I ever heard about Rosemary is that she took silver-bearing nose | drops for several years for sinus trouble. Probably not life- | threatening, and nothing so complicated as you're speculation below. | | They were obviously some form of silver salts, with high enough | concentration to exceed her body's eliminative mechanism over time and | cause generalized argyria. | | The patchiness on her face was caused by a ham-fisted attempt at | dermabrasion by another highly qualified (NOT!) physician. | | Be well, | | Mike D. | | OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch | put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on | melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! | | If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the | public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare | scam. | | the first one : | DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information | ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... | Melioidosis, also | called Whitmore's disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... | www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k | | snip | Why has melioidosis become a current issue? | | Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered | as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. | snip | | Tony | | | -- | The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. | | Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org | | To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com | Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html | | Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com | OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html | | List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com | | | [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] | [mdev...@eskimo.com] | [Speaking only for myself... ] | | -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
I think it is very important, and I spent about 3 hours on it. I just have better things to do than spend another 3 hours duplicating something I already did and posted. How dare you say I am unable to support my claims when you have not even read them yet. I am really getting tied of your arrogance. Marshall Mike Monett wrote: Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy From: Marshall Dudley Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:38:59 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79800.html I am pretty sure I answered those questions at length. I really don't have time to do it again. Marshall Well, if you can't be bothered, then either you don't think it is very important, or you are unable to support your claims. That is fine with me. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
If those nose drops were commonly prescribed back then, it shouldn't be all that difficult to track down a range of what they could have been...identified the bottling and have Rosemary pick out the one. Why that hasn't been done or why the actual range of substances it 'could have been' has not been revealed for further narrowing of identification is the next question. There be rat smells in that story. It be akin to a kangaroo court. Ode At 12:39 PM 4/25/2005 -0600, you wrote: So if she doesn't know what form of silver she used, why is it so often said she took/used silver nitrate? Is this a best guess someone made or is there some actual information somewhere? Seems like if this info was available, she would know what she took. IIRR I thought I read somewhere that it is thought by someone that she used a ground silver metal product, but my memory isn't great and that could be a mis-reading or confusion on my part. sol William Missett wrote: Early on, about the same time I joined this list as an inquiring journalist, I interviewed Rosemary for my planned magazine piece (never produced because no one would buy it). (She would not address the issue of validating her attack on CS when she doesn't even know what form of silver she consumed). -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
hmmm, I sense a little tension or heat building here.? (Grin) Again...just an observation.. From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:48:27 -0400 I think it is very important, and I spent about 3 hours on it. I just have better things to do than spend another 3 hours duplicating something I already did and posted. How dare you say I am unable to support my claims when you have not even read them yet. I am really getting tied of your arrogance. Marshall Mike Monett wrote: Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy From: Marshall Dudley Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:38:59 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79800.html I am pretty sure I answered those questions at length. I really don't have time to do it again. Marshall Well, if you can't be bothered, then either you don't think it is very important, or you are unable to support your claims. That is fine with me. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal silver
When I began studying alternative and natural medicine, I was eventually shocked to discover the state of affairs. MOST of the alternative natural medicine field is nearly attrocious. ALL the time, I run into people marking up products and services between 500% - 2000%, charging outrageous consulting fees, acting in a single-minded and quite unethical manner, and then patting themselves on the back as servants of humanity Charging outrageous fortunes ( 10k - 100+k ) for therapies that don't work, and then blaming the individual for some sort of non-compliance, or simply shrugging and moving on to the next case of desperation. I think that slowly things are changing, but if you have any doubt about what is said, try going to a natural/alt health convention one of these days... or research how much it actually costs to produce some of these products. Sasha, I agree with what Jason says above as that was my experience too. Finally decided it was up to me to determine the course of healing and I'm doing a pretty good job. Cindy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS pneumonia protocol with air brush
Why are ya'll not looking at nebulizers? Ebay has new ones for about the same price, about $25.00. Cindy
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
hmmm, I sense a little tension or heat building here.? (Grin) Again...just an observation.. The situation is already being worked on, quietly. So I hope people won't feel that they have to stir the pot any futher. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS pneumonia protocol with air brush
Hi Cindy: Ultrasonic nebulizers are great, in my experience... However, there's nothing like delivering pure oxygen into the lungs with CS. The oxygen nebulizer, also, can produce an even finer mist than the best OTC nebulizers. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: CH To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: Re: CSCS pneumonia protocol with air brush Why are ya'll not looking at nebulizers? Ebay has new ones for about the same price, about $25.00. Cindy
CSSilver saved Rosemary?
Hi, I'm thinking, Who cares? Either her doctor made a mistake and/or this woman made a mistake in overdosing. She is still alive and doing well. Can't say the same for all the victims of adverse reactions, wrongly dosed and over dosed prescription drugs. My only curiosity now is, how long will this silver 'victim' live? The longer she lives, the more might be said for silver. In fact, if I were her, would be concerned they might see this as an adverse thing and make sure she has a short life. Jean ** Unless she was flat out lying to me, she isn't a paid shill for the pharmacartels, just one very misguided, bitter victim of argyria, who blindly blames CS for her problem. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
I'd really like to know for sure exactly what form of silver she used. Not because I care about her nor about her claims of risk from EIS, but for the sake of accuracy. It is important to be accurate, otherwise as we refute her claims, we are as bad as she and those who promote her story with misleading statements that EIS is risky because of what happended to her. You can't fight quackery with inaccuracies, mis-statements, and assumptions. Perhaps it can't be truly fought at all, people will believe what they want to believe, but I do not want to align myself with any type of quackery by spreading myths or making wrong statements. Where I can find out enough to make accurate statements that is what I prefer to do. If there is no verifiable information as to what exactly she did use, we can say what IS verifiable, namely that what she used was NOT EIS/CS. At least I think that much is not arguable? This is the hard part of truth. If you are not a liar, or don't want to be a liar, you must restrict yourself to truth as best you can determine it: quacks and scam artists of every stripe don't have this limitation. They are free to say anything at all to obtain their desired ends. sol oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote: Hi, I'm thinking, Who cares? Either her doctor made a mistake and/or this woman made a mistake in overdosing. She is still alive and doing well. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSADHD
Lori, In my experience, allergies play a very important role in ADD/ADHD. Especially if there have been frequent ear infections. This can cause a disfunction of the vestibular nerve, which is often very apparent in children with ADD/ADHD. Some of the symptoms of vestibular disfunction are constant need to be very active (they are sesking the stimulation that the vestibular nerve needs to fulfill its development), lack of dizzyness after spinning, and absence or depressed post-rotary nystagmus. This is determined when a trained therapist shines a flashlight in their eyes after they have been spun around rapidly several times. Simple exercises can help this. Sally (a mom and teacher with personal experience) Lori Fields lkfie...@bellsouth.net wrote: Cindy and others... My son has slight ADD. He also has a reading disability. However once he was seen by an Ear Nose and Throat specialist who asked about his food allergies. I said Joshua didn't have any allergies, he in turn asked me how long Joshua had acted like he did...talking a lot, climbing things, being VERY active. Of course to me that was just Joshua. The MD persuaded me to have allergy testing done and sure enough Joshua was allergic to a host of foods. Once off of them his hyper activity was much easier to manage. I am not saying allergies are totally responsible for ADD or ADHD, because as a matter of fact I think the predominance of estrogens (plastics, petroleum-based products [margarine anyone??]) in our environment (water, air, food, etc) is responsible for most of it. What I am saying is that: yes, there is a very real problem. Lets find out what is causing it instead of treating symptoms. Lori -Original Message- From: CH [mailto:ch...@comcast.net] Be careful. It's easy to say some of these problems aren't real if you're not the one dealing with it. As much as I like the natural world because that is where true healing is, some of us get to the point where we chose drugs because nothing else has worked. And I speak from experience of ADD since my oldest boy has it. Call it what you will but something is amiss neurologically. Yes, far too many boys are asked to get tested for ADD simply because they are active little boys. Cindy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CSRosemary Jacobs CS
To Tony, William, folks, I think it is not useful to propose some complicated explanation for Rosemary Jacobs' situation when the published account is reasonable enough. I'm inclined to believe her story as it is told, and any supposed inconsistencies are really not critical, in my opinion. The upshot is that these people are very hostile to the alternative health community for resurrecting the thing (the therapeutic use of silver) that Rosemary believes caused her harm. As unfair as we might think that is, or as murky as their motivations might seem, they have a right to their beliefs. In the past I have had to ask list members to simply *leave Rosemary alone!* She's not going to listen to us, and there's no good reason to attract these people's attention. I've gone so far as to apologize to her when someone from the list decided to bother her. Please, let's leave Rosemary and her associates alone. We need to discuss the reasons why we disagree with her and formulate the arguments that will let us counter their message. Apart from that, confrontation or direct contact with them is unwise. I hope you'll keep this in mind. Be well, Mike D. list owner This was written in response to Tony Moody's piece, but when it went into the cosmos, it apparently went to him instead of the list: It doesn't look like you've read her website information. Her story is posted at: http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose2.html and you can also get a bigger picture by doing a google on her name and checking out the first 10 hits. Check out her debate with Mark Metcalf for openers. You should send her your speculation (her e-mail address is in there somewhere) and see if she responds. I'd almost bet she would. She's not afraid to rebut, but it looks like Metcalf cornered her. Maybe Markie's on to something really big, but the bug in British Columbia sounds extremely strange. - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary? | Yes Sol, | My speculation was in naming the disease. I would be very interested to | know of anything else that would fit the picture as we have it. Do you have | any thoughts on this? | | She must have had a disease or dis-ease or why would she have had | doctors attending(plural)? Why was she given so much silver; enough to | give her argyria? What else had she been prescribe or was taking? Why | did she have skin abrasion done? and why did the skin abrasion operation | get botched? | | A prior question should be; was it silver that caused her to turn blue? And, | is she really blue? | | While searching for something else I noticed the term blue pus and | following that thread lead me to glanders/melioidosis. Blue pus could have | been the cause of blue skin, right? | | I joined the Silver list a long time a go seeking for reasons NOT to make | and sell colloidal silver generators. My questions were : Is colloidal silver a | scam and can it cause harm? I definitely did not want to cause harm and | did want to be aware of any psychodynamics. So Rosemary was perhaps | one of the skeletons in the CS cupboard and I followed my thoughts for a | while. I was left with some facts, she has blue, pockmarked skin. But I was | also left with the fact that the pictures and information came from a | Ripley's Believe it or not TV strip. An American chewing gum advert!!! Also | that the movie colour had been doctored. Also that she looked as though | she had had smallpox. | | My guess today is that she was ill due to a contaminated vaccination or | due to hugging a sick horse (or both). My guess is that antibiotics and the | standard treatments of the day, including old time remedies were tried. My | guess is that as a result of the ilness/treatments she became pockmarked | and scarred. My guess is that although the disease had subsided it had | gone quiet and systemic, and that it flared up again when the | dermabrasion was done. My guess is that the 'blue colouration to her skin | is also due to scarring and maybe poor circulation too. | | I'll also take a bet that Rosemary Jacobs is now still taking silver in one | form or another to keep that organism (or cluster of organisms) at bay. | | I'd also stick my neck out a bit and take a bet that her symptoms would | clear up if she took EIS while phasing out the silver compound; the | premise being that the EIS would do the natural silver germicide against | the offending organism/s and might reverse the argyria. According to | Marshall, taking EIS would prevent argyria, and not cause argyria as a | silver compound does. Anyway there is evidence that argyria could be | reversed by taking H2O2. [ note EIS is electrically Isolated silver which is | what we make with low voltage connected to two pieces of pure silver | immersed in water ] | | enough, | Tony
Re: CSCandida, FMS/CFIDS, Leaky Gut
Have you looked into the possibility of having Lyme? GE - Original Message - From: ..::( Jason )::.. omb...@mac.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: CSCandida, FMS/CFIDS, Leaky Gut Greetings... New here, and wanted to introduce myself and hopefully get on my way to wellness! I am 30, and have been suffering from Candida, Leaky Gut, adrenal exhaustion, and Fibromyagia / CFIDS for about 7 years now. It has driven me into absolute insanity, and it seems that the more I know about it, the worse I get (the negative aspect of the power of the mind I suppose). I am very curious to know more about colloidal silver, and if it can help with the conditions that I have. From what I know it helps with infections and fights bacteria, but I know it does more than that, and a lot of people have suggested it for me, so would love to know more, and if it has helped others with similar health problems. My symptoms are: muscle pain (especially after activity), food sensitivities (wheat causes muscle pain, dairy/sugar/alcohol cause eczema and anxiety), depression and anxiety (both very overwhelming), eczema (neck and forearms), dark circles under eyes, complete loss of libido, allergies (sinus congestion/itchy eyes), asthma (mainly from house dust, but also from food sometimes), and difficulty sleeping (difficulty getting to sleep as well as getting back to sleep once woken). -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCandida, FMS/CFIDS, Leaky Gut
Greetings... New here, and wanted to introduce myself and hopefully get on my way to wellness! I am 30, and have been suffering from Candida, Leaky Gut, adrenal exhaustion, and Fibromyagia / CFIDS for about 7 years now. It has driven me into absolute insanity, and it seems that the more I know about it, the worse I get (the negative aspect of the power of the mind I suppose). I am very curious to know more about colloidal silver, and if it can help with the conditions that I have. From what I know it helps with infections and fights bacteria, but I know it does more than that, and a lot of people have suggested it for me, so would love to know more, and if it has helped others with similar health problems. My symptoms are: muscle pain (especially after activity), food sensitivities (wheat causes muscle pain, dairy/sugar/alcohol cause eczema and anxiety), depression and anxiety (both very overwhelming), eczema (neck and forearms), dark circles under eyes, complete loss of libido, allergies (sinus congestion/itchy eyes), asthma (mainly from house dust, but also from food sometimes), and difficulty sleeping (difficulty getting to sleep as well as getting back to sleep once woken). What I am currently doing: #1. Avoiding all sugar, alcohol, dairy, wheat, processed foods, commercial meats, vinegar, mushrooms, simple carbs, coffee, etc. Essentially all I eat is vegetables, meats, occasional brown rice. #2. Taking vitamin C, magnesium, digestive enzymes, fish oil, and rotating different Candida killers such as garlic, oil of oregano, Nystatin, grapefruit seed extract. #3. I have done about 4 of the liver cleanses, and even though I got major amounts of stones out, my symptoms only back off a little bit, and only for a short while. They always come back. Any help anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated!! I have suffered WAY too long, and need to restore my health more than anything!!! Thank you! :-) _jason_ _ ___ _ ___ __ _ _ _ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
Yes Sol, My speculation was in naming the disease. I would be very interested to know of anything else that would fit the picture as we have it. Do you have any thoughts on this? She must have had a disease or dis-ease or why would she have had doctors attending(plural)? Why was she given so much silver; enough to give her argyria? What else had she been prescribe or was taking? Why did she have skin abrasion done? and why did the skin abrasion operation get botched? A prior question should be; was it silver that caused her to turn blue? And, is she really blue? While searching for something else I noticed the term blue pus and following that thread lead me to glanders/melioidosis. Blue pus could have been the cause of blue skin, right? I joined the Silver list a long time a go seeking for reasons NOT to make and sell colloidal silver generators. My questions were : Is colloidal silver a scam and can it cause harm? I definitely did not want to cause harm and did want to be aware of any psychodynamics. So Rosemary was perhaps one of the skeletons in the CS cupboard and I followed my thoughts for a while. I was left with some facts, she has blue, pockmarked skin. But I was also left with the fact that the pictures and information came from a Ripley's Believe it or not TV strip. An American chewing gum advert!!! Also that the movie colour had been doctored. Also that she looked as though she had had smallpox. My guess today is that she was ill due to a contaminated vaccination or due to hugging a sick horse (or both). My guess is that antibiotics and the standard treatments of the day, including old time remedies were tried. My guess is that as a result of the ilness/treatments she became pockmarked and scarred. My guess is that although the disease had subsided it had gone quiet and systemic, and that it flared up again when the dermabrasion was done. My guess is that the 'blue colouration to her skin is also due to scarring and maybe poor circulation too. I'll also take a bet that Rosemary Jacobs is now still taking silver in one form or another to keep that organism (or cluster of organisms) at bay. I'd also stick my neck out a bit and take a bet that her symptoms would clear up if she took EIS while phasing out the silver compound; the premise being that the EIS would do the natural silver germicide against the offending organism/s and might reverse the argyria. According to Marshall, taking EIS would prevent argyria, and not cause argyria as a silver compound does. Anyway there is evidence that argyria could be reversed by taking H2O2. [ note EIS is electrically Isolated silver which is what we make with low voltage connected to two pieces of pure silver immersed in water ] enough, Tony Moody On 25 Apr 2005 at 10:22, sol wrote about : Subject : Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary? I must have missed seeing where anyone knows for certain Rosemary actually had this disease? Wasn't this just speculation in the original post? Just want to be clear, speculating can be extremely interesting, but treating a speculation as fact isn't very productive of much but myths, so it would be a good idea to keep being clear that this is a speculative idea, not a fact. In case someone comes in the middle of the thread. sol Tony Moody wrote: OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare scam. the first one : DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... Melioidosis, also called Whitmores disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k snip Why has melioidosis become a current issue? Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. snip -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSReflexology for diabetes -- Let us all know!!
Reflexology for diabetes -- Plse, Let us all know!! Douglas H mycjwo...@aol.com wrote: My apologies as I know it's off topic but when i asked about CS for diabetes, someone said they had information about reflexology curing diabetes. I forgot who said it, but could you write me privately please. thank you Callie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
Tony, It is indeed fascinating to speculate about her, and your posing of a disease possibility is the most fascinating one I've read so far. As Ode just said, something smells of dead rat in her story. The most interesting bits are what is left out, which are the bits you are speculating so interestingly on. I have always wondered why one would take apparently massive doses of nose drops for a sinus condition, start to turn blue, and keep right on taking it anyway. For years and years. It just doesn't sound either logical or reasonable, unless there were some overwhelming reason to keep on. Then too, people have said she has been told of possible argryia reversal treatments and has refused them all. If true, this also makes absolutely no sense. It would make sense if she were still using an argryia producing silver product perhaps. Speculation is endlessly fascinating, especially with such a totally weird story with as many questions left unanswered (actually, un-asked) as in her story as told by quackwatch and reports of what she has said in interviews. My concern was solely that it sounded sort of as if people responding to your original post had read it as if it was a fact that she had melioidosis. It is a really inspired speculation, and does fit a lot of the holes in her story. I have no idea what else might fill those holes or answer my own questions. I must have missed discussions of reversing argryia with H202, that sounds very interesting. What is the protocol? Is it in the archives? sol Tony Moody wrote: Yes Sol, My speculation was in naming the disease. I would be very interested to know of anything else that would fit the picture as we have it. Do you have any thoughts on this? She must have had a disease or dis-ease or why would she have had doctors attending(plural)? Why was she given so much silver; enough to give her argyria? What else had she been prescribe or was taking? Why did she have skin abrasion done? and why did the skin abrasion operation get botched? A prior question should be; was it silver that caused her to turn blue? And, is she really blue? While searching for something else I noticed the term blue pus and following that thread lead me to glanders/melioidosis. Blue pus could have been the cause of blue skin, right? Anyway there is evidence that argyria could be reversed by taking H2O2. [ note EIS is electrically Isolated silver which is what we make with low voltage connected to two pieces of pure silver immersed in water ] enough, Tony Moody -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
*wink* -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:15 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy hmmm, I sense a little tension or heat building here.? (Grin) Again...just an observation.. The situation is already being worked on, quietly. So I hope people won't feel that they have to stir the pot any futher. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
The huge lie in Rosemary Jacob's story, which entirely discredits her attack, is her very first and only reference to CSP. Every other reference is to colloidal silver. This is pure disinformation campaign at its finest. Well, CSP is not colloidal silver. It's colloidal silver protein, which in the right dosage, can cause argyria. But the attack is against CS, which can't. Duh? - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary? | Tony, | It is indeed fascinating to speculate about her, and your posing of a | disease possibility is the most fascinating one I've read so far. As | Ode just said, something smells of dead rat in her story. The most | interesting bits are what is left out, which are the bits you are | speculating so interestingly on. I have always wondered why one would | take apparently massive doses of nose drops for a sinus condition, | start to turn blue, and keep right on taking it anyway. For years and | years. It just doesn't sound either logical or reasonable, unless there | were some overwhelming reason to keep on. | | Then too, people have said she has been told of possible argryia | reversal treatments and has refused them all. If true, this also makes | absolutely no sense. It would make sense if she were still using an | argryia producing silver product perhaps. | | Speculation is endlessly fascinating, especially with such a totally | weird story with as many questions left unanswered (actually, un-asked) | as in her story as told by quackwatch and reports of what she has said | in interviews. | | My concern was solely that it sounded sort of as if people responding to | your original post had read it as if it was a fact that she had | melioidosis. It is a really inspired speculation, and does fit a lot of | the holes in her story. I have no idea what else might fill those holes | or answer my own questions. | | I must have missed discussions of reversing argryia with H202, that | sounds very interesting. What is the protocol? Is it in the archives? | sol | | Tony Moody wrote: | | Yes Sol, | My speculation was in naming the disease. I would be very interested to | know of anything else that would fit the picture as we have it. Do you have | any thoughts on this? | | She must have had a disease or dis-ease or why would she have had | doctors attending(plural)? Why was she given so much silver; enough to | give her argyria? What else had she been prescribe or was taking? Why | did she have skin abrasion done? and why did the skin abrasion operation | get botched? | | A prior question should be; was it silver that caused her to turn blue? And, | is she really blue? | | While searching for something else I noticed the term blue pus and | following that thread lead me to glanders/melioidosis. Blue pus could have | been the cause of blue skin, right? | | Anyway there is evidence that argyria could be | reversed by taking H2O2. [ note EIS is electrically Isolated silver which is | what we make with low voltage connected to two pieces of pure silver | immersed in water ] | | enough, | Tony Moody | | | | | | | | | -- | No virus found in this outgoing message. | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 | | | -- | The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. | | Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org | | To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com | Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html | | Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com | OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html | | List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com | |
CSRosemary Jacobs CS
This was written in response to Tony Moody's piece, but when it went into the cosmos, it apparently went to him instead of the list: It doesn't look like you've read her website information. Her story is posted at: http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose2.html and you can also get a bigger picture by doing a google on her name and checking out the first 10 hits. Check out her debate with Mark Metcalf for openers. You should send her your speculation (her e-mail address is in there somewhere) and see if she responds. I'd almost bet she would. She's not afraid to rebut, but it looks like Metcalf cornered her. Maybe Markie's on to something really big, but the bug in British Columbia sounds extremely strange. - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary? | Yes Sol, | My speculation was in naming the disease. I would be very interested to | know of anything else that would fit the picture as we have it. Do you have | any thoughts on this? | | She must have had a disease or dis-ease or why would she have had | doctors attending(plural)? Why was she given so much silver; enough to | give her argyria? What else had she been prescribe or was taking? Why | did she have skin abrasion done? and why did the skin abrasion operation | get botched? | | A prior question should be; was it silver that caused her to turn blue? And, | is she really blue? | | While searching for something else I noticed the term blue pus and | following that thread lead me to glanders/melioidosis. Blue pus could have | been the cause of blue skin, right? | | I joined the Silver list a long time a go seeking for reasons NOT to make | and sell colloidal silver generators. My questions were : Is colloidal silver a | scam and can it cause harm? I definitely did not want to cause harm and | did want to be aware of any psychodynamics. So Rosemary was perhaps | one of the skeletons in the CS cupboard and I followed my thoughts for a | while. I was left with some facts, she has blue, pockmarked skin. But I was | also left with the fact that the pictures and information came from a | Ripley's Believe it or not TV strip. An American chewing gum advert!!! Also | that the movie colour had been doctored. Also that she looked as though | she had had smallpox. | | My guess today is that she was ill due to a contaminated vaccination or | due to hugging a sick horse (or both). My guess is that antibiotics and the | standard treatments of the day, including old time remedies were tried. My | guess is that as a result of the ilness/treatments she became pockmarked | and scarred. My guess is that although the disease had subsided it had | gone quiet and systemic, and that it flared up again when the | dermabrasion was done. My guess is that the 'blue colouration to her skin | is also due to scarring and maybe poor circulation too. | | I'll also take a bet that Rosemary Jacobs is now still taking silver in one | form or another to keep that organism (or cluster of organisms) at bay. | | I'd also stick my neck out a bit and take a bet that her symptoms would | clear up if she took EIS while phasing out the silver compound; the | premise being that the EIS would do the natural silver germicide against | the offending organism/s and might reverse the argyria. According to | Marshall, taking EIS would prevent argyria, and not cause argyria as a | silver compound does. Anyway there is evidence that argyria could be | reversed by taking H2O2. [ note EIS is electrically Isolated silver which is | what we make with low voltage connected to two pieces of pure silver | immersed in water ] | | enough, | Tony Moody | | | | On 25 Apr 2005 at 10:22, sol wrote about : | Subject : Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary? | | I must have missed seeing where anyone knows for certain Rosemary | actually had this disease? Wasn't this just speculation in the | original post? Just want to be clear, speculating can be extremely | interesting, but treating a speculation as fact isn't very productive | of much but myths, so it would be a good idea to keep being clear that | this is a speculative idea, not a fact. In case someone comes in the | middle of the thread. sol | | Tony Moody wrote: | | OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch | put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on | melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! | | If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the | public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare | scam. | | the first one : | DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information | ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... | Melioidosis, also called Whitmore's disease, is an infectious disease | caused by the ... | www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k | | snip | Why has melioidosis become a current issue? | |
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
OK -- the mystery is solved -- my earlier post went directly to Tony instead of to the list. So here is my post for the third time -- but the first time to the list.MA In a message dated 4/26/05 12:54:42 PM Central Daylight Time, a...@new.co.za writes: My guess today is that she was ill due to a contaminated vaccination or due to hugging a sick horse (or both). I posted a query regarding this hours ago, and it hasn't shown up on the list. So I'm posting again. Tony -- what illness would a horse have that would make a human being sick if they hugged that horse? MA
RE: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
Hi All, I thought someone else might supply this insight, but as a FL Pharmacist of 58 years, I recall many over the counter purchases of Argyrol and Protargol (I believe). The Argyrol drops were especially to drop into sore eyes caused by gnats flying from one person to the next and carrying the problem. This was prevalent during hot southern weather and one's eyes became very sore and light was painful to them--so the patient became a hermit staying in the dark as they instilled the silver protein drops--which stained the eyes and the skin brown. These aqueous solutions were 0.1 to 2% and used as an antiseptic and germicide for infected mucuous membranes (nose drops). These solutions were freshly prepared and should be replaced in a few days or weeks. Samaan finds that while colloidal silver preparations are less efficient as disinfectants than is ionic silver (e.g.. silver nitrate) a 1:5000 solution of CS ia a stronger disinfectant than phenol solution, 1:250. Moreover, the CS solutions are much less irritating, and are much safer to use than silver nitrate solution. Information from Arny's Principles of Pharmacy, 4th edition. My understanding is that Rosemary received her CSP nose drops to use in nostrils for a couple weeks, but continued using them for a couple years (Certainly NOT an ideal patient; however, it can be purchased OTC. What surprises me is that as a young lady applying makeup and doing her hair daily during that time before her mirror, she failed to realize the blue-graying until her teacher asked, Why are you that color? I'm truly sorry about her problem and wish that she would use some of the proven methods of normalizing her skin. Surely if there were many people affected, Milk Cartons would have pictures of a different victim each week. I praise God that He has given us this Marvelous Blessing of CS that if properly made, I believe to be effective for many health problems and free from side effects other than Herx if large doses taken for very bad problems. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:11 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary? I'd really like to know for sure exactly what form of silver she used. Not because I care about her nor about her claims of risk from EIS, but for the sake of accuracy. It is important to be accurate, otherwise as we refute her claims, we are as bad as she and those who promote her story with misleading statements that EIS is risky because of what happended to her. You can't fight quackery with inaccuracies, mis-statements, and assumptions. Perhaps it can't be truly fought at all, people will believe what they want to believe, but I do not want to align myself with any type of quackery by spreading myths or making wrong statements. Where I can find out enough to make accurate statements that is what I prefer to do. If there is no verifiable information as to what exactly she did use, we can say what IS verifiable, namely that what she used was NOT EIS/CS. At least I think that much is not arguable? This is the hard part of truth. If you are not a liar, or don't want to be a liar, you must restrict yourself to truth as best you can determine it: quacks and scam artists of every stripe don't have this limitation. They are free to say anything at all to obtain their desired ends. sol oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote: Hi, I'm thinking, Who cares? Either her doctor made a mistake and/or this woman made a mistake in overdosing. She is still alive and doing well. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCandida, FMS/CFIDS, Leaky Gut
Your symptoms do sound a lot like lyme to me. They are a lot of the same symptoms I had. You can get more information about all areas of lyme on www.lymenet.org Your doctor may not want to do blood work for lyme. Most don't or won't. If he won't do the test, you could get on the lymenet site and ask for help to locate a doctor in your area (lyme literate doctors are few and far between). A lyme-literate doctor will usually treat based on clinical symptoms of the disease and if your history of problems indicates lyme. The lab your doctor uses for testing is critical. Igenex is the most-preferred lab for lyme testing but non-lyme literate doctors don't use it. Igenex tests more bands and are more accurate, so the false negative results are less. The test results are only about 70% accurate at best anyway, I think. Some people use Bowen lab. They use a different method of testing, but are not FDA approved, so insurance most likely won't cover the cost. They have recenly received a patent for their test though. Bowen also tests for co-infections that occur with lyme. Best of luck tomorrow at your appointment! GE - Original Message - From: ..::( Jason )::.. omb...@mac.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: Re: CSCandida, FMS/CFIDS, Leaky Gut On 4/26/05 10:47 AM, Gail Evans gailev...@cox.net wrote: Have you looked into the possibility of having Lyme? Not officially. Others have suggested it too. I guess I should check it out. I don't have a lot of the Lyme symptoms, so kind of ruled it out, but it would be a a good idea to get it checked. I am going to the Dr tomorrow and will ask him to run the blood work (assuming that is all I need?) Thanks for the info! _jason_ _ ___ _ ___ __ _ _ _ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCandida, FMS/CFIDS, Leaky Gut
On 4/26/05 10:47 AM, Gail Evans gailev...@cox.net wrote: Have you looked into the possibility of having Lyme? Not officially. Others have suggested it too. I guess I should check it out. I don't have a lot of the Lyme symptoms, so kind of ruled it out, but it would be a a good idea to get it checked. I am going to the Dr tomorrow and will ask him to run the blood work (assuming that is all I need?) Thanks for the info! _jason_ _ ___ _ ___ __ _ _ _ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
Just have them move to the OT list and we can watch the fireworks. -Original Message- From: Ernie Patai [mailto:epa...@sympatico.ca] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:27 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy *wink* -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:15 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy hmmm, I sense a little tension or heat building here.? (Grin) Again...just an observation.. The situation is already being worked on, quietly. So I hope people won't feel that they have to stir the pot any futher. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSADHD
In my experience, allergies play a very important role in ADD/ADHD. We know ADD/ADHD is only a st of symptoms we can identify. Brain function abnormalities including ADD/ADHD can result from malnutrition or toxin load, which also happns to aggravate allergic symptoms. Toxin load can cause anxiety, hyperactivity, insomnia, confusion, blood pressure, elevated cortisol, reduced or overactive (allergic) immune response, or even autoimmunes, as the system lacks control (pick one or more), and toxin load has been implicated also in cell receptor damage. In other words, consider that the supposed allergic symptoms may not be causative and the that the allergic response itself can be modulated. An all-good program to find out where one is really at is detoxification, usually assuming you're going to also be healing bowel dysbiosis/candida and leaky gut that contributes to toxin load and allergic or MCS responses, and temporary glyconutrients to ensure receptor site integrity so the immune response can maintain its correctness and focus. Glutathione precursors (cold-processed whey and selenium) works marvelously in an all-function stabilization push. I think this adquately addresses the cause in many cases except dficiency, which is only likely if the hyperactive kid is allowed to choose his own food. Hope this sheds some light on the possibilities. Duncan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCandida, FMS/CFIDS, Leaky Gut
Do you have mercury amalgam fillings in your teeth?
CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
Hi, A voyeur are you? :) Jean *** Just have them move to the OT list and we can watch the fireworks. - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
Richard thank you so much for your insight. I was wondering if you could tell me more about the methods for reversing argyria? I did a web search and only found one. Lori -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] I'm truly sorry about her problem and wish that she would use some of the proven methods of normalizing her skin. Surely if there were many people affected, Milk Cartons would have pictures of a different victim each week. I praise God that He has given us this Marvelous Blessing of CS that if properly made, I believe to be effective for many health problems and free from side effects other than Herx if large doses taken for very bad problems. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSColloidal copper
Is it possible to use the same method for making cs, to make colloidal copper? Lori -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
Jacobs makes abundantly clear on her site and via correspondence that she has no idea what kind of sliver product she took. This simple fact invalidates many of her claims about silver medicine. I did note a few years ago that she testified at some kind of hearing about mild silver protein, I think as a representative of a well-known group, Public Citizen. As MSP is known to cause argyria, I wonder whether Jacobs believes this is what caused her condition. On Wednesday, Apr 27, 2005, at 02:11 Asia/Tokyo, sol wrote: If there is no verifiable information as to what exactly she did use, we can say what IS verifiable, namely that what she used was NOT EIS/CS. At least I think that much is not arguable? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRosemary Jacobs CS
Hi Mike, I would have to agree with you. Oh, this is now my opinion hahaha. When one decides to confront a person or persons about certain beliefs one must be careful as to not offend or one could be faced with being violently opposed. In most cases you will be. I use the term violently loosely. From what I gather, I sense this person chooses to be in denial and therefore best left as such. There is a saying: best let sleeping dogs lie. There is no need to rustle the hornets nest. I think we just save ourselves a ton of grief by realizing some people are better left alone. Thanks. Ernie -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:42 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRosemary Jacobs CS To Tony, William, folks, I think it is not useful to propose some complicated explanation for Rosemary Jacobs' situation when the published account is reasonable enough. I'm inclined to believe her story as it is told, and any supposed inconsistencies are really not critical, in my opinion. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRosemary Jacobs CS
I would add that the Jacobs site has some very useful information. For example, she reveals that those little, silvery sugar beads used as cake decorations are coated with -- get this -- real silver. I had not known. Could you get argyria from these things? Perhaps so. Moreover, her site documented peer-reviewed journal articles about argyria produced in Japan by a silver-coated breath/stomach mint called Jin Tan. I happened to like the stuff, but swore off after learning about the argyria cases from the RJ site. In a nutshell, Rosemary Jacob's site may have done me a world of good, and, moreover, might have prevented my own future, inaccurate attribution of Jin Tan produced argyria to the SG6 machine I currently use to make EIS. Thumbs up to Rosemary Jacobs for that. Credit where credit is due; there is some useful data on her site, and I think those who use this list really should have a look at the material. I have corresponded with RJ, and my impression is that she is quite earnest and believes she is doing something useful. That said, I think her mind is closed about EIS, and she says she is awaiting peer-reviewed data before attempting to clear up her argyria with methods mentioned on our list. JBB On Wednesday, Apr 27, 2005, at 11:22 Asia/Tokyo, Ernie Patai wrote: Hi Mike, I would have to agree with you. Oh, this is now my opinion hahaha. When one decides to confront a person or persons about certain beliefs one must be careful as to not offend or one could be faced with being violently opposed. In most cases you will be. I use the term violently loosely. From what I gather, I sense this person chooses to be in denial and therefore best left as such. There is a saying: best let sleeping dogs lie. There is no need to rustle the hornets nest. I think we just save ourselves a ton of grief by realizing some people are better left alone. Thanks. Ernie -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:42 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRosemary Jacobs CS To Tony, William, folks, I think it is not useful to propose some complicated explanation for Rosemary Jacobs' situation when the published account is reasonable enough. I'm inclined to believe her story as it is told, and any supposed inconsistencies are really not critical, in my opinion. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSADHD
Another perspective - I was treating a child about 8 and thyroid presented as an issue. Specific hormones were addressed with connections to many other areas of the body. I shared the hormone info with the mother who exclaimed 'I've been on synthyroid for 10 years - before this child was born'. The older ones are not hyper. Note: This is not a study - it's private practice. Two weeks later, the teacher asked the child 'What's up?' The child did not know what she referred to. Paraphrasing I was told the teacher identified that the child had not been out of her desk in two days since returning from Easter break, had not disrupted the class, bugged other students, did her homework, was paying attention and asking questions, and generally not the severe ADD/ADHD behaviours that had plagued her the past 3 years of school. The house rule of survival for all was that she not be in the same room as her brother has been lifted --- they now study together. Mom Dad have even took her to a meeting of an 1hr and she did not interrupt once. She's listening and holding to the suggested behaviour guidelines now. In my experience the root of what looks like ADD/ADHD may be beyond where science conventionally looks. The only important issue in these people's lives is greater harmony in the family and at school. Christine From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:26:38 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSoff topic - humour regarding drug companies Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:38:25 -0700 If pollutants were the only factor, everyone in that environment would have ADHD and none in another environment would. There is something else in common with the effects. Ever stop to notice that some people don't want to pay attention? Maybe they find something or other dull? [What the heck should be interesting?] No one ever tries to manipulate anyone? Everyone is aware of what they are doing and why? No one justifies anything by blaming something else? [Who decides what's just and what's not?] Anything can be used for many purposes...including toxins. Toxins may be a tool, but they're not 'the' cause. Remove the hammer, and thumbs may well sigh in relief. But then, there are rocks. Get it? Then again, whatever it takes to break a chain breaks a chain. If toxins are being used as a link in a chemical chain? It doesn't have to make sense, especially if the chain doesn't make sense. Ummm, come to think about it...there's not that much going on with humans that does make sense. That's what makes us interesting. We are very powerful but not always very smart. But then, 'smart' is an opinion and depends on point of view. Carry on. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSbowen test
Does anyone have an opinon on this test? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
