CSA dozen books on CS

2006-09-15 Thread jrowland

Entering colloidal silver into (commercial site) amazon.com yields 12 hits:
http://tinyurl.com/e79ct
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Re: CSIntestinal flora damaged by CS?

2006-09-15 Thread Carlos P�rez

Dear Mike,

You will certainly be very welcome any time you want to pay us a visit!!

Margarita Island is a beautiful place and I am sure you would enjoy it.

Don´t you silver people ever have sort of a convention? Why don´t we 
organise a mini convention or congress or something and hold it here? Ha, 
ha, ha Now, thinking seriously, Why not? Can you imagine how much I 
would learn with some of you guys here? I would probably end up 
intoxicated!!


Take care.

Carlos


From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSIntestinal flora damaged by CS?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:20:01 -5

Dear Carlos,

You write:
 My normal diet consists basically of an abundant supply of raw fruts and
 vegetables of all kinds. I also include fermented or germinated beans,
 lentiles, chick peas, peas and other leguminous seeds, corn, almonds,
 walnuts, hazel nuts, cashew nuts, sesame seeds, coconut water and pulp,
 and about 3 times a week fresh raw fish, which I can easily get here in
 Margarita Island, Venezuela, where we live. I avoid eating gluten (wheat
 and barley, except germinated) and dairy products, soy beans (except
 germinated), sugar, canned foods. Don´t smoke, never ever use coffee,
 soft drinks. In some special ocasions I drink one or two cups of wine
 with my family or close friends. I exercise every day (73 y.o.),
 normally before 6 a.m.

SIGGHHH! Can I come live at *your* house, Carlos???

That sounds so wonderful! grin

 Again, thank you very much.

You're most welcome, sir. You're doing an excellent job.

Be well,

Mike D.

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CSSilver wire, etc.

2006-09-15 Thread Terry Chamberlin
Carlos said,
I am getting a bright, slightly darkened plating 
on the inside of the 450 ml glass I use to produce my
CS. Could this also happen to my teeth? 

Yes, if you were making CS in your mouth.

Is .999 silver good enough to make new electrodes? It
is the best I have found here so far to make larger
diameter electrodes. The ones this generator brought
are 0.8 mm wire. Too thin in my opinion.

.999 is perfectly fine. There is absolutely NO
evidence that CS made with . (or .9) is better
or more effective or safer than .999 silver. 

Every silver wire, however thick it is to start, will
eventually become as thin a a hair, as it is
dissolving into water as you are making CS.
Eventually, when you make as much CS as I make (20-30
gallons per week), you end up with a bunch of little
silver wire ends. I just twist them around each other
and use them as an electrode. Waste not!

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Re: CSIntestinal flora damaged by CS?

2006-09-15 Thread Carlos P�rez

Hello, Gertrude,

Thank you for responding to me.

Regards,

Carlos



From: Gertrude dj...@home.nl
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSIntestinal flora damaged by CS?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:08:18 +0200

Carlos hello,

CS is also an anti-bioticaso take always some joghuert or acidophulis 
pro-biotic the good flora...

I think the CS will kill all  the bacterials ,virusses and infections.
To get no candida do'nt forget
read the websites... from Google.
COLLOIDAL SILVER - Outstanding results Studies indicate that colloidal 
silver may enhance the immune system and cell ... also take a probiotic. 
Take this a few hours after taking AIMEarthWiseT. ...
 www.yourlifesource.com/earthwise.htm - 23k - In cache - 
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Antibacterial silver products finally begin to emerge after years ... 
People aren't turning silver from taking colloidal silver, by the way. ... 
Rely on probiotics any time you're using silver internally, as you will 
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pagina's


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Subject: CSIntestinal flora damaged by CS?



Hello,

I have read many times that CS does not damage our helpful bacteria, but 
recently there was a comment recommending use of yoghurt or other 
acidophilous culture in order to correct the damage caused by CS to our 
fermentative intestinal flora after prolongued use.


How long and at what doses does prolongued mean?

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RE: CSSilver wire, etc.

2006-09-15 Thread Carlos P�rez

Terry,

You really made me laugh with your answer!!

I pictured myself with the electrodes and wires inside my mouth! I am sure 
stirring with my tongue would be quite simple...!


Thank you again for helping me learn.

Take care



From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSSilver wire, etc.
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:24:36 -0400 (EDT)

Carlos said,
I am getting a bright, slightly darkened plating
on the inside of the 450 ml glass I use to produce my
CS. Could this also happen to my teeth? 

Yes, if you were making CS in your mouth.

Is .999 silver good enough to make new electrodes? It
is the best I have found here so far to make larger
diameter electrodes. The ones this generator brought
are 0.8 mm wire. Too thin in my opinion.

.999 is perfectly fine. There is absolutely NO
evidence that CS made with . (or .9) is better
or more effective or safer than .999 silver.

Every silver wire, however thick it is to start, will
eventually become as thin a a hair, as it is
dissolving into water as you are making CS.
Eventually, when you make as much CS as I make (20-30
gallons per week), you end up with a bunch of little
silver wire ends. I just twist them around each other
and use them as an electrode. Waste not!

Terry Chamberlin



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RE: CSsilver tarnishing teeth

2006-09-15 Thread Thora Rasmussen
Here are things that discolour my teeth:

Coffee
tea
herbal tea
antibiotics
varying foods, remember, they were used as colouring in the past

When I started brushing with H2O2 and baking soda, they really improved.
For me, the herbal teas are the worst at staining.

Thora
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  From: gmetrop...@aol.com [mailto:gmetrop...@aol.com]
  Sent: September 11, 2006 11:53 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSsilver tarnishing teeth


  I mainly used Argentum 23 but only a couple monts at high doses. I think
its more like a brownish tarnish than grey. The teeth are healthy except one
molar I'm trying to heal. the dentist says bleaching would not work and its
not something I can try now. I have chronic lyme and had also nursed over 20
years.


Re: CS[RE]CS(no subject)

2006-09-15 Thread Jeanne
Brooks how do you handle the flea problem, there must be a more natural way for 
that too.Jen
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:47 PM
  Subject: Re: CS[RE]CS(no subject)


  Diatribe? no way, thanks Brooks for all that wonderful information on the 
care and feeding of older dogs. WhereI live dog food is 15% taxed, but human 
food is not and neither is agriculture products for non pet animals. ha ha.
  I feed my 10 yr white gs buffalo every day. Again thanks for your imput and 
send diatribes anytime.

  Ross
- Original Message - 
From: Brooks Bradley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:13 PM
Subject: CS[RE]CS(no subject)


Dear Geo, 
I made the original post. We use the granulated form of alfalfa for all of 
our dogs (in our Orphaned Dog Program). You can purchase granulated (almost 
powdered) alfalfa from any well-stocked feed store. A forty pound sack should 
not cost over about $15.00enough to feed 200 large dogs for two years. A 
dog the size of the one to which you refer should do quite well on one teaspoon 
daily. Just sprinkle it on his food (if you feed only dry food, add just enough 
water to cause the alfalfa granules to adhere to the foodstuff) and mix well. 
We have never had a single dog refuse to consume alfalfa offered in this 
manner. Our dietary program is not one of the usual types. We employ a 
variation of Langsley Russell's raw meat (ground chuck and whole chicken 
quarters) and bones system, with the addition of 1/2 to 1 cup (depending on dog 
size) of RAW UNPROCESSED cow's milk. We do add various vegetables twice weekly, 
together with cooked oatmeal served three times w! eekly. We do give the older 
dogs (over 12 years) vitamin supplementation in powdered form. At present we 
have 17 dogs of various ages. They are NEVER sick with any of the conventional 
afflictions so dearly loved by the veterinary profession. We do give brewers 
yeast as a daily supplementto everyone. True, the daily cost per dog is 
somewhat greater than a canned ration (dead food), supplemented with a dry 
kibble type crumbles; but the OVERALL cost per dog is demonstrably less on a 
total care, yearly basis (no vet bills). We DO feed every dog 1 teaspoon of 
granulated kelp daily. No additional minerals of any type are fed. 
My apologies for this lengthy diatribeeven though it does expose my 
misanthropic tendencies when stacking the human race up against the world's 
canine representatives. 
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. 
p.s. Prior to instigating this feeding program our average yearly vet bills 
were, always, in excess of $3500. 

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Subject : CS(no subject) 
Date : Sat, 9 Sep 2006 07:30:10 EDT 
From : geop...@aol.com 
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Cc : k...@verizon.com 
 
would like to get my 100# plus, lab / shep, on this alfalfa,,,confused 
with 
dosage, recommended, as search on on net reveals standard tablet is 648 
mg,, 
not 50...even a multiple has 200 mg of alfalfa was this a typo ?... 
post 
reads something like 12 tabs for up to 60#,,, this would mean close to 24 
tabs 
for my girl ping,, or should I just calculate mg's..thanks geo. 
 
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CSEFT and Serious Diseases

2006-09-15 Thread Ian Roe

Hello :

EFT has come up for conversation on the list from time to time. If that was 
of interest to you, last year there were several seminars hosted on EFT and 
serious diseases.  I could not go because they were too distant and thus too 
costly. There had been plans to put out corresponding videos. Those videos 
became available in August from their web site.  There are two new series - 
Serious Dieases -One and Two.


See www.emofree.com

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RE: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-15 Thread Ode Coyote

At 09:57 AM 9/14/2006 -0700, you wrote:


So goes my theory that EIS/CS negative charge contributes to
its healing  properties.

Ed Kasper LAc. Santa Cruz, CA.



  Maybe not.
 There goes the idea that the CS has a negative charge in the bottle and 
after a while.
 Ion exchange and relative charges 'in vivo' or in the presence of 
pathogens is a whole 'nother story.
 The mainstream is chasing ion exchange like mad men splashing in 
puddles.  We may just be wading in it up to our necks by sheer accident.


The hydroxyl anions associated with silver ions can make a very unstable 
compound out of the silver.

 Metallic silver can be re-ionized under various conditions.
 The body and  pathogens is a conditional soup where anything that can 
happen, probably does and no one thing is the limit.
Silver in its varied forms and compounds could work one way, then turn 
around and work backwards another way, then make a right, then left turn to 
work yet another set of ways in a progression of reactions and interaction 
with an ever changing electro-chemical environment. [Chemical reactions can 
be stated as electronic equations and still say the same things ..not that 
I quite understand or completely comprehend either way of looking at it.  ;-)]


 Very fresh CS is obviously different than CS that's only several hours 
old.

This is easily provable.
 What that difference means In use By whom Used how and For what 
isn't so obvious.


If there's one thing one could say about CS/EIS ...it's, it never stays the 
same under sufficiently different conditions.

 It's dynamic.

Which also could explain why for some people used in some applications it's 
a fantastic miracle and for some it's ho hum.
 The deeper you go into the soup, the more varied the conditions, change 
and exchange probabilities .  The less that it encounters to change it for 
better or worse, [ direct surface contact]  the more it works predictably.


 Some swear by one thing and some swear at it.
 Your set of rules in this game may well not apply to *anyone* else 
without doing some creative editing and maybe even your set is constantly 
changing with a progression of conditions that *using* the silver sets into 
motion.


 Dosing and methods of use recommendations I've seen often make no sense 
at alland perhaps they shouldn't.


Are prescription meds any different?
 Why does the Doc give you a bomb when a pellet would have done, then 
change that to a missile? then it's a prayer that cures ya.


Mystery used to be spelled,  My Story.

Ode



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  EIS/CS doesn't have a charge [as commonly promoted as
ionic charge ]
after a few hours.
Once all the ions find the anions made at the same time,
it's over all
charge neutral and particle repulsion is presented by weak
Vandervals
forces, not ionic charge.  Being extremely chemically
active, it's not
likely that many, if any, free ions exist after a few
hours.
  What ions get stripped off in vivo and -become- ionically
charged
-again-..and what that does, is a subject for many guesses.
  It is, however, generally stable on the shelf for years
if only pure
water is present.
In the presence of other substances, it's not very stable.
Ions strip easily.

Ode


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Re: CSIntestinal flora damaged by CS?

2006-09-15 Thread Marshall Dudley
Interestingly a couple of years ago when I got bitten by a tick and got a
bulls eye around it, I started taking a LOT of CS for a couple of weeks (a
quart or more a day).  I didn't get lymes, but I did mess up my intestines.
Something wicked set up in there, and no matter how many probiotics I took,
they could not evict it.  Well as it turns out when we started discussing
cyanne a few weeks ago, I started taking two capsules a day.  Within 24 hours
my intestines were back to normal, and have stayed that way. Apparently cyanne
took out the bad flora, and does not bother the good flora at all!

Marshall

M. G. Devour wrote:

 Dear Carlos,

 Back in my earlier days of experimenting with CS, I went for a spell of
 probably several weeks, taking several mouthfuls per day of fairly
 concentrated CS (probably 20ppm or more, large particles, dark amber
 colored). I started to feel tired and weak, with achiness in my large
 muscle groups. It was starting to be painful to climb stairs, get out
 of a chair, or otherwise haul myself around.

 Then somebody on the list happened to describe the symptoms of acute
 calcium deficiency, which matched what I was experiencing.

 I asked Rosie to go to the store and buy me a half-gallon of orange
 juice with added calcium citrate. After drinking a few glasses of that
 over the course of a day, I was back to normal.

 It turns out that our intenstinal flora is crucial to absorption of
 calcium, and I had succeeded in disrupting mine.

 So it can happen.

 CS is indiscriminate in the germs it will kill. However, it works best
 in a liquid environment, and least well in a solid medium. Thus it
 tends not to disrupt intestinal flora unless you're particularly
 aggressive with it.

 Repopulating with probiotics or other aids is a prudent measure to
 take, as it should greatly speed re-establishment of the healthy colony
 of friendly bacteria we so depend on.

 Be well,

 Mike D.

  Hello,
 
  I have read many times that CS does not damage our helpful bacteria, but
  recently there was a comment recommending use of yoghurt or other
  acidophilous culture in order to correct the damage caused by CS to our
  fermentative intestinal flora after prolongued use.
 
  How long and at what doses does prolongued mean?

 [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-15 Thread Ode Coyote



  Think about it.
If CS kills virtually every pathogen known to man on contact, how could the 
CS not be sterile despite you not being sterile?

If it doesn't, why bother with it at all?  [it does ]
 The biggest bugaboo is chemical contamination and that can get touchy, 
but usually isn't too bad.
 Don't worry unless something weird happens. Then go about eliminating 
that factor with detective work...or just blow it all out the window.

 Generally a change of water and a good rinsing does the job.
Sometimes you can't control your environment, but you can almost always 
change it till you don't need to.

 Electricity and silver don't change much, water does. Look to that first.
 Some variation in batches is both reasonably unavoidable and acceptable.

ode

At 04:31 PM 9/14/2006 -0400, you wrote:


Hello, Ode,

As you know, I am new to CS (3 months), and have learned a lot from you 
and several other list members. I have read many opinions about CS 
contamination and durability, and from what I conclude I assume that 
simply working with reasonable care and cleanliness should be enough to 
have a good quality home product that should last at least for many months.


I have never seen any of you mention the need of working under strict 
laboratory conditions, with permanent sterilization of containers, 
electrodes, utensils, etc., use of sterile latex gloves, hermetically 
closed working environment, etc. Of course very clean hands are not 
sterile, electrodes that are polished with ScotchBrite tissue and cleaned 
with an unused paper towel are not sterile, a freshly emptied bottle from 
last batch is not sterile, dust and lint that are floating in the air and 
falling all over us and the batch we are making are not sterile either, 
and as I have understood from you and others we don´t need to be paranoic 
about many microbes that end up inside our CS batch.


As long as we use high quality distilled water (I use steam bi-distilled, 
de-ionized water employed for laboratory analysis) and have an adequate 
process that yields a good quality product I understand that we should not 
worry about it lasting enough.


In using CS directly from a bottle my technique is very similar to the one 
Mike Devour and family use: I hold its neck with my hand, lean my thumb 
below my lower lip and just pour the liquid inside my mouth without 
touching the bottle with it. These bottles that are used for direct 
drinking are washed and boiled before filling them again, but the ones 
where we keep our stock of CS are just refilled once they are empty.


If I am wrong please correct me. I want to learn more every day.

Thank you.

Carlos



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Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHow long does it last?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:14:07 -0400



 EIS/CS doesn't have a charge [as commonly promoted as ionic charge ] 
after a few hours.
Once all the ions find the anions made at the same time, it's over all 
charge neutral and particle repulsion is presented by weak Vandervals 
forces, not ionic charge.  Being extremely chemically active, it's not 
likely that many, if any, free ions exist after a few hours.
 What ions get stripped off in vivo and -become- ionically charged 
-again-..and what that does, is a subject for many guesses.
 It is, however, generally stable on the shelf for years  if only pure 
water is present.
In the presence of other substances, it's not very stable.  Ions strip 
easily.


Ode



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Re: CSFaraday Calculator

2006-09-15 Thread Marshall Dudley
Interestinly my flow through process with polarity reversal and stirring is
only about 35% efficient.  The faraday calculator says I am producing 56.7
ppm, but measurements indicate I am producing right at 20 ppm.

Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:

 The Faraday calculator can be found at this link and downloaded.
 It works great!

 http://www.silvermedicine.org/faradaycalculator.html

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Re: CSCharacterizing Carlos' CS

2006-09-15 Thread Marshall Dudley
I just love the way people who's primary language is not english express
themselves.

Marshall

Carlos Pérez wrote:

 Dear Dan,

 It was a very special surprise you gave me tonight. I am proud of having
 assimilated in a few weeks the teachings that you my friends have given me
 so far, to the point of having a product twice as good as I thought I had!

 I expected I would reach this point in around two weeks, after we made our
 new generator with current control from the diagram my friend John McLean
 sent me.

 Tonight I will sleep with a smile in my face!

 Thank you very much.

 Carlos

 From: Dan Nave na...@comcast.net
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSCharacterizing Carlos' CS
 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:27:51 -0500
 
 Dear Carlos,
 
 I ran the data from your colloidal silver generator through the Microsoft
 Excel Faraday Calculator using as values a 450ml container with the
 intervals of 15 minutes and the currents indicated, ie: .4, 1.2, 1.8, 3.0,
 and 3.8ma.
 
 Average current is 2.04 ma over 1 hour, giving 18.25 ppm total silver
 released into the water by this process.
 
 Giving that you used a starter of 10% CS from a similarly made previous
 batch we can assume that there was already a maximum of 1.825 ppm worth of
 silver in the container giving an absolute maximum amount of approximately
 20 ppm silver in your finished product.
 
 Of course, with losses of silver as seen by the residues on the electrodes,
 the actual ppm will be somewhat less.  However, this gives a valuable gage
 of what you are making.
 
 I think your process and end product are very acceptable.
 
 Dan
 
 
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 * From: * Carlos Pérez[SMTP:explorer...@hotmail.com]
 * Sent: * Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:50:47 PM
 * To: * silver-list@eskimo.com
 * Subject: * Re: CSCS to help cure Ehrlichiosis?
 
 Mike,
 
 I answered your second one before reading your first one!
 
 Since I have not yet been able to buy a good quality generator (it would
 have to come from abroad), I am temporarily using the cheap one I have,
 and
 with it and with the help you wonderful people are giving me, I am making
 a
 better CS everyday. The voltage in the geneator is regulated to 27.5 V.
 Using 12% by volume of the previous batch as a starter, the reaction
 begins
 at around 0.4 mA. It can not be seen, but the miliamperimeter shows it.
 After 15 minutes it has risen to around 1.2 mA, and a faint activity can
 be
 seen wth the aid of a white light beam and a black background. 15 minutes
 later the reading is around 1.8 mA and the activity is more noticeable. 15
 minutes later, the reading is around 3 mA, and the activity is very
 evident
 under the white beam. 15 minutes later, at the end of one hour from the
 beginning, the reading is around 3.8 mA and the activity is very profuse.
 
 At this moment I stop the reaction, and I get a transparent product with
 only a very slight yellowish hue. It has quite a strong silver flavour,
 similar to the one I got in my very original cloudy soup with chunks of
 silver and plenty of silver chloride I was making at the beginning, but
 much
 more decent looking.
 
 Following Terry´s suggestions, I bent the electrodes in an L form with a
 wide curve (like a half straightened  U), and the lower third part is
 parallel to the bottom of the glass, and both electrodes parallel to each
 other.
 
 This has given me excellent results, almost no brown sludge, almost no
 sediment, and the cathode does not build a big bulk of silver-hydrogen
 minibubbles at the end and many smaller ones all its length, insted there
 are very numerous tiny fume-like streams being produced that float adrift,
 with few and small silver-hydrogen balls being produced all along the
 cathode. Even though it does not seem necessary, every few minuter I stirr
 with a plastic spoon. The anode remains quite clean, only a mild brownish
 creamy like covering that mostly comes out when cleaning with a paper
 towel
 at the end of the process. The cathode is practically totally clean after
 wiping it with the paper towel.
 
 With the help of a friend of mine, by next week we should have built a
 generator with a circuit based in a design John McLean very kindly sent
 me,
 with current control. We are oly missing one of the components ant it
 should
 be here next week. With it I should be able to make a much better product.
 
 I am very much interested in what you told me about the experience Robb
 Allen and Bryan Posner have had with Lymes disease. I will get in contact
 with the microelectricity germ killer Yahoo! group.
 
 I am still surprised there seems to be a total abscence of experience with
 Ehrlichiosis!!.
 
 Is .999 silver good enough to make new electrodes? It is the best I have
 found here so far to make larger diameter electrodes. The ones this
 generator brought are 0.8 mm wire. Too thin in my opinion. This one I
 found
 is made in 

Re: CSIntestinal flora damaged by CS?

2006-09-15 Thread Ode Coyote



  It means that if you develop a problem with it, take whatever steps needed.
 Most people don't have a problem regardless of dose or time span because 
of where the friendlies are. [Not that CS won't kill them and everybody 
else if conditions change in that spot...like with food poisoning]


Every time you eat dirt or breathe real air, you get new ones?

ode


At 05:33 PM 9/14/2006 -0400, you wrote:


Hello,

I have read many times that CS does not damage our helpful bacteria, but 
recently there was a comment recommending use of yoghurt or other 
acidophilous culture in order to correct the damage caused by CS to our 
fermentative intestinal flora after prolongued use.


How long and at what doses does prolongued mean?

Any comments about the subject?

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Re: CSIntestinal flora damaged by CS?

2006-09-15 Thread Rowena
Yes, you have a wonderful diet.
The coconut too will give you wonderful healing and pathogen killing 
factors.
Virgin coconut oil is being used to treat all manner of diseases.
Have you looked into getting a homeopathic remedy?  I would have thought 
there would be a specific remedy available over the counter as a preparation 
from the pathogen itself, but a classical homeopath would choose the most 
similar remedy and one using a computer assisted diagnosis would be able to 
create one for you from the bioenergetic frequencies associated with the 
pathogen. (http://www.taracentre.com.au/  - click on Evaluation and 
Screening - Electro-Dermal
screening. There may be something similar near where you live)
Rowena

http://www.homeopathicmd.com/articles_3.html
Ehrlichiosis: Human Monocytic Ehrlichiosis (HME) is caused by the organism 
Ehrlichia chaffeensis and is transmitted primarily by the lone star tick 
(Amblyomma americanum), but can also be transmitted by the American dog tick 
(Dermacentor variabilis). Whereas, the organism that causes Human 
Granulocytic Ehrlichiosis (HGE) has not yet been identified, but is known to 
be carried by the same tick that carries Lyme disease and Babesiosis (Ixodes 
Scapularis). Symptoms of HME or HGE include an acute febrile illness 
accompanied by headache, malaise, myalgia, fatigue, vomiting, anemia and 
rigors. Symptoms may mimic the flu, viral hepatitis, aseptic meningitis, 
pneumonia and cholecystitis. Less common symptoms may include cough, sore 
throat, diarrhea, lymphadenopathy, rash, seizures, abdominal pain and 
confusion. Untreated, mortality rate is up to 5% for HME, and about 7-10% 
for HGE. Diagnosis of Ehrlichiosis is made by examination of the blood from 
a peripheral smear. Since the Ehrlichial organisms are obligate 
intracellular parasites, they cannot be easily detected with the usual 
methods. Diagnosis currently depends upon direct visualization of the 
characteristic inclusion bodies in the white blood cells (monocytic or 
granulocytic) from an infected host.(15,16).. A search through 
Murphy's Repertory (20) reveals three medicines under Lyme disease: 
Arsenicum album, Mercurius and Thuja. Expanding the search through the 
MacRepertory and ReferenceWorks programs, reveals four additional medicines: 
Carcinosin, Lac caninum, Ledum, and Syphilinum. I also include Tick Bite, 
Lyme Tick and Borrelia when evaluating cases of known or suspected Lyme 
disease or prophylaxis. These medicines are only a starting point for 
consideration. Any homeopathic medicine can be used to effectively treat 
Lyme disease if it is the simillimum to the individual case...

http://www.ozoneuniversity.com/veterinary_use.htmOzone is equally 
effective against Equine Ehrlichiosis and Potomac Horse Fever, caused by the 
rickettsial agents Ehrlichia equi and E. risticii respectively, as well as 
against Equine Encephalomyelitis (EE) including Eastern (EEE), Western 
(WEE), Venezuelan (VEE) and other togaviral and flaviviral EE,


vegetables of all kinds. I also include fermented or germinated beans,
lentiles, chick peas, peas and other leguminous seeds, corn, almonds,
walnuts, hazel nuts, cashew nuts, sesame seeds, coconut water and pulp, and
about 3 times a week fresh raw fish, which I can easily get here in
Margarita Island, Venezuela, 


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RE: CSFaraday Calculator

2006-09-15 Thread Dan Nave
 I expect that as the ppm levels increase the losses also increase.  Do
you have any idea if the efficiency of the process is linear or
non-linear?  My feelings are that it is non-linear.  Many people here
seem to feel that 20 ppm is approaching the maximum concentration level
achievable with this process, at least without wasting large amounts of
silver.

Also, if you are producing any colloids or compounds which are not
acting as ions which would be measurable with the conduction type
testers, you  would not measure them unless you are using an appropriate
measurement technique.

Do you end up with any residues?  

Dan

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:53 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSFaraday Calculator

Interestinly my flow through process with polarity reversal and stirring
is only about 35% efficient.  The faraday calculator says I am producing
56.7 ppm, but measurements indicate I am producing right at 20 ppm.

Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:

 The Faraday calculator can be found at this link and downloaded.
 It works great!

 http://www.silvermedicine.org/faradaycalculator.html

 Dan



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Re: CSFaraday Calculator

2006-09-15 Thread Marshall Dudley
Dan Nave wrote:

  I expect that as the ppm levels increase the losses also increase.  Do
 you have any idea if the efficiency of the process is linear or
 non-linear?  My feelings are that it is non-linear.  Many people here
 seem to feel that 20 ppm is approaching the maximum concentration level
 achievable with this process, at least without wasting large amounts of
 silver.

 Also, if you are producing any colloids or compounds which are not
 acting as ions which would be measurable with the conduction type
 testers, you  would not measure them unless you are using an appropriate
 measurement technique.

 Do you end up with any residues?

I do get some precipitate at the bottom over time.  I think that the
production is probably near 100% when the ppm is low, and drops to about 35%
at 20 ppm. Since this is a flow through system, instead of a batch system,
it is always at the 20 ppm level. I would guess that the efficiency follow a
curve something like this:

% efficiency = (30 - ppm)/30*100%

That would give 100% efficiency at 0 ppm, 0% at 30 ppm and about 33% at 20
ppm.  If my math is correct, integrating this equation from 0 ppm to 20 ppm
for a batch process gives about 55% efficiency.  Does that sound about
right?

Marshall



 Dan

 -Original Message-
 From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
 Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:53 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSFaraday Calculator

 Interestinly my flow through process with polarity reversal and stirring
 is only about 35% efficient.  The faraday calculator says I am producing
 56.7 ppm, but measurements indicate I am producing right at 20 ppm.

 Marshall

 Dan Nave wrote:

  The Faraday calculator can be found at this link and downloaded.
  It works great!
 
  http://www.silvermedicine.org/faradaycalculator.html
 
  Dan
 

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RE: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-15 Thread ruth strackbein
Hi, How does this information apply to CS made with a Silver gen or a Silver 
Puppy? I gather that you are discussing CS made with home made machines.  
Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSHow long does it last?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:23:29 -0400

At 09:57 AM 9/14/2006 -0700, you wrote:


So goes my theory that EIS/CS negative charge contributes to
its healing  properties.

Ed Kasper LAc. Santa Cruz, CA.



  Maybe not.
 There goes the idea that the CS has a negative charge in the bottle and 
after a while.
 Ion exchange and relative charges 'in vivo' or in the presence of 
pathogens is a whole 'nother story.
 The mainstream is chasing ion exchange like mad men splashing in puddles. 
 We may just be wading in it up to our necks by sheer accident.


The hydroxyl anions associated with silver ions can make a very unstable 
compound out of the silver.

 Metallic silver can be re-ionized under various conditions.
 The body and  pathogens is a conditional soup where anything that can 
happen, probably does and no one thing is the limit.
Silver in its varied forms and compounds could work one way, then turn 
around and work backwards another way, then make a right, then left turn to 
work yet another set of ways in a progression of reactions and interaction 
with an ever changing electro-chemical environment. [Chemical reactions can 
be stated as electronic equations and still say the same things ..not that 
I quite understand or completely comprehend either way of looking at it.  
;-)]


 Very fresh CS is obviously different than CS that's only several hours 
old.

This is easily provable.
 What that difference means In use By whom Used how and For what 
isn't so obvious.


If there's one thing one could say about CS/EIS ...it's, it never stays the 
same under sufficiently different conditions.

 It's dynamic.

Which also could explain why for some people used in some applications it's 
a fantastic miracle and for some it's ho hum.
 The deeper you go into the soup, the more varied the conditions, change 
and exchange probabilities .  The less that it encounters to change it for 
better or worse, [ direct surface contact]  the more it works predictably.


 Some swear by one thing and some swear at it.
 Your set of rules in this game may well not apply to *anyone* else 
without doing some creative editing and maybe even your set is constantly 
changing with a progression of conditions that *using* the silver sets into 
motion.


 Dosing and methods of use recommendations I've seen often make no sense 
at alland perhaps they shouldn't.


Are prescription meds any different?
 Why does the Doc give you a bomb when a pellet would have done, then 
change that to a missile? then it's a prayer that cures ya.


Mystery used to be spelled,  My Story.

Ode



-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:14 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHow long does it last?




  EIS/CS doesn't have a charge [as commonly promoted as
ionic charge ]
after a few hours.
Once all the ions find the anions made at the same time,
it's over all
charge neutral and particle repulsion is presented by weak
Vandervals
forces, not ionic charge.  Being extremely chemically
active, it's not
likely that many, if any, free ions exist after a few
hours.
  What ions get stripped off in vivo and -become- ionically
charged
-again-..and what that does, is a subject for many guesses.
  It is, however, generally stable on the shelf for years
if only pure
water is present.
In the presence of other substances, it's not very stable.
Ions strip easily.

Ode


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RE: CSSo many stomach complaints

2006-09-15 Thread ruth strackbein
I,too have been on Protonix, Nexium Cymbalta, etc. etc. etc.  I refuse 
to take any more of them. Am trying to use alternative therapies for my 
problems.  Unfortunately, due to the structure of my bowel, I am not having 
much success in getting rid of my upper right burning pain, or my lower 
right tightness and burning pain.  Think the second may be due to adhesions. 
Trouble is , I am elderly , and it takes a lot of time to soften up 
adhesions.  At least that is what my chiropractor tells me.  My MD is 
recommending a resection of my bowel.  I am going in to talk with a surgeon 
about this next Friday with my daughter along.  My question is, how would he 
know what part to take out, can't tell ahead of time, it seems. And more 
adhesions will surely form, same story , second verse, and how do we know 
that the rest of my bowel will behave any better than the original after the 
surgery.  I'm will ing to explore this  to find out what all would be 
involved for living arrangements, etc. in case the whole thing just shuts 
down sometime.  Things seem to be worsening.  I can't use the bentonite clay 
and psyllium the chiropractor recommends because it just clogs me up worse 
and quicker and I have to take more enemas.  Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: Lisa Shepherd windwalkers...@yahoo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSSo many stomach complaints
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:29:12 -0700 (PDT)

I have read so many letters lately from the list that has complaints of 
stomach problems, has anyone tried to use natural enzymes and replace what 
may have been stripped from other things? I know buttermilk,,warm in a 
small glass lightly salted is ok and yogurt are 2 biggies,yoplait works 
and tastes pretty good also the health sections of most stores will have 
things like papaya enzymes, these are wonderful after a stomach virus has 
run through, maybe your stomachs are stripped of thier natural enzymes and 
they need to be replaced. Just a thought, hope it helps someone.
Godspeed all, Lisa.


noblemet...@bellsouth.net wrote:  I,too, have the high stomach pain . I 
believe mine is sugar related. I have found that many restaurants are using 
sugar to make all their foods taste better. Msg also causes the pain.


 From: sol
 Date: 2006/09/03 Sun PM 05:27:38 EDT
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CScomment and D-mannose question, was Re: CSKidney 
Infections


 Yes, I have had it at other times. Still have it today, though the
 diarrhea and nausea has stopped. This isn't under my right ribcage,
 though, it is more centered, if anything slightly to the left of center.
 I have to see a cardiologist at the end of this month for mild
 abnormalities in the imaging portion of a recent stress test.
 At the moment, I'm not sure what is causing what. Whole bunch of stuff
 happening to me that I'm trying to get figured out. I have had this
 high stomach pain off and on for quite a while now. Supposed to try
 Nexium (changed to Protonix), but neither seemed to do anything and both
 have what I consider unacceptable side effects.
 sol

 ruth strackbein wrote:

  Hi, This message is interesting to me, because of your comment about
  having sharp pain under your right ribcage immediately after taking
  the D Mannose. I get such a pain almost every day . Am trying to
  track it down to certain foods. Today I had it right after eating a
  yellow tomato and again later in the afternoon after eating a dab of
  peanut butter. I am keeping a record of these things. Do you have
  this sensation at other times? Ruth
 


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RE: CSSo many stomach complaints

2006-09-15 Thread ruth strackbein
I am using natural enzymes from my chiropractor and kelp and have started 
with a natural calcium and other minerals preparation.  Cant use Kefir or 
Yogurt. I am lactose intolerant and they make the burning worse.



From Ruth Strackbein




From: Lisa Shepherd windwalkers...@yahoo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSSo many stomach complaints
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:29:12 -0700 (PDT)

I have read so many letters lately from the list that has complaints of 
stomach problems, has anyone tried to use natural enzymes and replace what 
may have been stripped from other things? I know buttermilk,,warm in a 
small glass lightly salted is ok and yogurt are 2 biggies,yoplait works 
and tastes pretty good also the health sections of most stores will have 
things like papaya enzymes, these are wonderful after a stomach virus has 
run through, maybe your stomachs are stripped of thier natural enzymes and 
they need to be replaced. Just a thought, hope it helps someone.
Godspeed all, Lisa.


noblemet...@bellsouth.net wrote:  I,too, have the high stomach pain . I 
believe mine is sugar related. I have found that many restaurants are using 
sugar to make all their foods taste better. Msg also causes the pain.


 From: sol
 Date: 2006/09/03 Sun PM 05:27:38 EDT
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CScomment and D-mannose question, was Re: CSKidney 
Infections


 Yes, I have had it at other times. Still have it today, though the
 diarrhea and nausea has stopped. This isn't under my right ribcage,
 though, it is more centered, if anything slightly to the left of center.
 I have to see a cardiologist at the end of this month for mild
 abnormalities in the imaging portion of a recent stress test.
 At the moment, I'm not sure what is causing what. Whole bunch of stuff
 happening to me that I'm trying to get figured out. I have had this
 high stomach pain off and on for quite a while now. Supposed to try
 Nexium (changed to Protonix), but neither seemed to do anything and both
 have what I consider unacceptable side effects.
 sol

 ruth strackbein wrote:

  Hi, This message is interesting to me, because of your comment about
  having sharp pain under your right ribcage immediately after taking
  the D Mannose. I get such a pain almost every day . Am trying to
  track it down to certain foods. Today I had it right after eating a
  yellow tomato and again later in the afternoon after eating a dab of
  peanut butter. I am keeping a record of these things. Do you have
  this sensation at other times? Ruth
 


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Re: CSCharacterizing Carlos' CS - slightly off topic!

2006-09-15 Thread John McLean
Smile,
Carlos does very well, my only language is English, oh if you add Strine 
(slang for Australian) I speak two!!! So I envy Carlos as he is 
multilingual!!
John in Australia
- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: CSCharacterizing Carlos' CS


:I just love the way people who's primary language is not english express
: themselves.
:
: Marshall
:
: Carlos Pérez wrote:
:
:  Dear Dan,
: 
:  It was a very special surprise you gave me tonight. I am proud of having
:  assimilated in a few weeks the teachings that you my friends have given 
me
:  so far, to the point of having a product twice as good as I thought I 
had!
: 
:  I expected I would reach this point in around two weeks, after we made 
our
:  new generator with current control from the diagram my friend John 
McLean
:  sent me.
: 
:  Tonight I will sleep with a smile in my face!
: 
:  Thank you very much.
: 
:  Carlos


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RE: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-15 Thread Ed Kasper
Ode, thanks for the reassurance.
It brings me make to my attempts to understanding disorders
and our bodies. Pleomorphism
http://www.enderlein.com/About_Pleomorphism.htm

When talking in terms of diseases I think its better prefix
any thoughts with I don't know

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
 Santa Cruz, CA.

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 7:23 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSHow long does it last?


At 09:57 AM 9/14/2006 -0700, you wrote:

So goes my theory that EIS/CS negative charge contributes
to
its healing  properties.

Ed Kasper LAc. Santa Cruz, CA.


   Maybe not.
  There goes the idea that the CS has a negative charge in
the bottle and
after a while.
  Ion exchange and relative charges 'in vivo' or in the
presence of
pathogens is a whole 'nother story.
  The mainstream is chasing ion exchange like mad men
splashing in
puddles.  We may just be wading in it up to our necks by
sheer accident.

The hydroxyl anions associated with silver ions can make a
very unstable
compound out of the silver.
  Metallic silver can be re-ionized under various
conditions.
  The body and  pathogens is a conditional soup where
anything that can
happen, probably does and no one thing is the limit.
Silver in its varied forms and compounds could work one way,
then turn
around and work backwards another way, then make a right,
then left turn to
work yet another set of ways in a progression of reactions
and interaction
with an ever changing electro-chemical environment.
[Chemical reactions can
be stated as electronic equations and still say the same
things ..not that
I quite understand or completely comprehend either way of
looking at it.  ;-)]

  Very fresh CS is obviously different than CS that's only
several hours
old.
This is easily provable.
  What that difference means In use By whom Used how
and For what
isn't so obvious.

If there's one thing one could say about CS/EIS ...it's, it
never stays the
same under sufficiently different conditions.
  It's dynamic.

Which also could explain why for some people used in some
applications it's
a fantastic miracle and for some it's ho hum.
  The deeper you go into the soup, the more varied the
conditions, change
and exchange probabilities .  The less that it encounters to
change it for
better or worse, [ direct surface contact]  the more it
works predictably.

  Some swear by one thing and some swear at it.
  Your set of rules in this game may well not apply to
*anyone* else
without doing some creative editing and maybe even your set
is constantly
changing with a progression of conditions that *using* the
silver sets into
motion.

  Dosing and methods of use recommendations I've seen often
make no sense
at alland perhaps they shouldn't.

Are prescription meds any different?
  Why does the Doc give you a bomb when a pellet would have
done, then
change that to a missile? then it's a prayer that cures
ya.

Mystery used to be spelled,  My Story.

Ode


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CScoconut oil question

2006-09-15 Thread sol
I believe someone (or some someones) on this list use Tropical 
Traditions virgin coconut oil.
I haven't used any of mine for quite some time, and I just noticed my 
bucket of it has an expiry date of Dec. 3, 2005. Anybody know it if is 
still safe to consume or cook with?
It smells fine, but does have little tiny beads in it, teeny lumps. 
When rubbed between the fingers, I can feel these little bumpy lumps 
(smaller than the small decorative multicolor sugar beads used for cake 
decorating) but as the oil melts from the heat of my fingers, they melt 
too. I tasted some of the oil and it seems fine, not rancid. I'm just 
wondering if the little bumpiness means the oil has begun to get moldy 
or something? I wanted to use some of this oil tomorrow, but am not sure 
it is safe to use. Of course, I wrote to TT, but probably won't hear 
from them until next week sometime, so I'm hoping someone here will know.

thanks in advance,
sol



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Re: CSIntestinal flora damaged by CS?

2006-09-15 Thread debbiegerard99

Hi Mike ...I asked this before and was told that cs did not affect the flora of 
the intestines...thanks debbie
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From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com 

 Dear Carlos, 
 
 Back in my earlier days of experimenting with CS, I went for a spell of 
 probably several weeks, taking several mouthfuls per day of fairly 
 concentrated CS (probably 20ppm or more, large particles, dark amber 
 colored). I started to feel tired and weak, with achiness in my large 
 muscle groups. It was starting to be painful to climb stairs, get out 
 of a chair, or otherwise haul myself around. 
 
 Then somebody on the list happened to describe the symptoms of acute 
 calcium deficiency, which matched what I was experiencing. 
 
 I asked Rosie to go to the store and buy me a half-gallon of orange 
 juice with added calcium citrate. After drinking a few glasses of that 
 over the course of a day, I was back to normal. 
 
 It turns out that our intenstinal flora is crucial to absorption of 
 calcium, and I had succeeded in disrupting mine. 
 
 So it can happen. 
 
 CS is indiscriminate in the germs it will kill. However, it works best 
 in a liquid environment, and least well in a solid medium. Thus it 
 tends not to disrupt intestinal flora unless you're particularly 
 aggressive with it. 
 
 Repopulating with probiotics or other aids is a prudent measure to 
 take, as it should greatly speed re-establishment of the healthy colony 
 of friendly bacteria we so depend on. 
 
 Be well, 
 
 Mike D. 
 
  Hello, 
  
  I have read many times that CS does not damage our helpful bacteria, but 
  recently there was a comment recommending use of yoghurt or other 
  acidophilous culture in order to correct the damage caused by CS to our 
  fermentative intestinal flora after prolongued use. 
  
  How long and at what doses does prolongued mean? 
 
 [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] 
 [mdev...@eskimo.com ] 
 [Speaking only for myself... ] 
 
 
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Re: CSHVAC CS

2006-09-15 Thread Deborah Gerard
Man named  V...is on this list I bought mine from him for 25.00 and he includes 
a free Beck cd and he is wonderful at ongoing help and answering 
questions...debbie
  here is his addy...
  http://photoman.bizland.com/godzilla/order.html
   
   
  

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Does anybody know where I can find reliable information on HVAC or DC 
systems for generating CS.
  I wish to experiment with this type of CS generation.
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Re: CScoconut oil question

2006-09-15 Thread Pat
My Coconut Oil Supreme has the tiny lumps and the jar
of expeller pressed Spectrum Natural which I just
opened does too.  The Spectrum brand has a slightly
cooked smell and seems much oilier on the skin.  It
was the cheaper one of the two choices at Whole
Foods,...cost about 1/2 as much as the other brand. 
Coconut Oil Supreme isn't sold in stores.  Coconut oil
Supreme states, It is separated directly from fresh
coconut milk without the use of fermentation and is
never heated.  They say the shelf life is 3 years and
does not need refrigeration.

It's funny, I was reading about coconut oil when your
post came in.  Hope I don't sound like an ad for
Coconut Oil Supreme, but having been disappointed by
my rancid (maybe fermented?) flavor of the Virgin
Tropical Traditions and now this Spectrum brand, I
might not try more brands.  However, I have finished
my jar of Tropical Traditions Coconut Cream.  That
stuff is wonderful for a little snack when I need
something sweet.

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Re: CSI WON!!!!!

2006-09-15 Thread cking001
Nope!
Turning it all over to the Gates Foundation!

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Re: CScoconut oil question - lumps

2006-09-15 Thread Rowena
You might be interested in watching the coconut oil site 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coconut_oil_open_forum/
and having a look through the archives.  Pretty much every aspect of VCNO 
has been discussed there.
I guess it's autumn where you live, and wonder whether the temperature has 
something to do with the lumps, especially as they melt away with the heat 
of your hand.  From solid white when cold to water-clear when warm, the oil 
goes through various stages on the way to each state.
Rowena


My Coconut Oil Supreme has the tiny lumps and the jar
of expeller pressed Spectrum Natural which I just
opened does too. 


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