Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"
Krishna here. As I've said before - took EIS for HepC got grey , still have HepC. I gave it a shot and have used it since for other things. I was quite disappointed by the general list response, prior, that my and others experience were dismissed (must of been "other" compounds involved, and/or the equally unprovable "elimination physiology impaired"), ignored, or spun (another personal responsibility bucket story, which is entirely lacking a responsible attitude). I still advise a more open response that includes the possibilty of argyria to all who inquire along with the usual helpful info re EIS use and production. Otherwise, there is still some fine folks here and great info, though I am quite serious about this disclosure issue. One more item. The milkmaids do prefer my previous rich blue tone to the present grey. My wife is at peace with my color and the near absence of milkmaids. --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dave Darrin wrote: From: Dave Darrin Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant" To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:46 PM WOW that's fine but my wife probably wouldn't like it. Dave On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan Nave wrote: Krishna is shown as having a blue skin, and he was very popular with the Gopis (milkmaids). You may have to move to India though. (Sorry Mike D - religion and all that...) Dan On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Richard Goodwin wrote: > After your other reply, though, it seems to me that if you took that much > silver for that many years, and you are just getting a little grayish at > this age, I guess I won't worry too much about it. Hey, maybe gray or blue > will come into vogue, and then we'll get all the girls! :-) > > Dick > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: [Ntl_news] Wayne Fugitt
Well, well, my silver friends, this looks like a good time to post again. I was here several years ago. You "old timers" helped me generate some silver. And that I did untill I was blue in the face! Still have Hep C, but I have helped others with countless "reachable" maladies as a result of your help. I still get the silver list posts to a yahoo mail account and read sparingly occasionally. My quick read tells me that though you old timers may be comfortable with some basic assumptions, you should be glad to have a little prod, an energy source from another pole (Indi?). I am now preparing to start production once again, partly because I am unsure as to the potential of the seriousness of H1N1 (better to be ready). But this post is an online onlist thank you to Wayne, and the other "old timers". You guys, Wayne, were very generous with info, and at times, the strange points of view that may come from unique thinking. It takes strength of character, as demonstrated by Wayne, to go your own way. I disagreed with Wayne in style and content at times, but always, always, admired that Spirit. --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Marshall Dudley wrote: From: Marshall Dudley Subject: Re: CS>Fw: [Ntl_news] Wayne Fugitt To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 7:48 AM I will truly miss him. He was a character, very knowledgeable, and very willing to share what he knew. Of the old timers here, I think we are now down to only Ode, and myself. Marshall slickpic...@cox.net wrote: > Damn. What a character! > > > Deborah Gerard wrote: > > = > > > --- On Fri, 7/31/09, marj...@wildblue.net wrote: > > > From: marj...@wildblue.net > Subject: [Ntl_news] Wayne Fugitt > To: ntl_n...@tcbunch.com > Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 9:52 PM > > > > > > > It is with deep regret that I inform everyone of the passing this morning of > Mr Wayne Fugitt. He passed away sitting at his computer. > He was my friend and will be missed. > Truman McManus > -Inline Attachment Follows- > > > ___ > Ntl_news mailing list > ntl_n...@tcbunch.com > http://tcbunch.com/mailman/listinfo/ntl_news_tcbunch.com > Any opinions, references, and Links cited are for information only, and are > not intended to diagnose or prescribe. For your specific diagnosis and > treatment, consult your doctor or health care provider. > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > >
RE: CS>20 mule team BORAX
I just read a few of these posts and find it very interesting. Are you talking about the "20 Mule Team Borax Natural Laundry Booster"? Boron may be good for one if needed, but is it OK to ingest the Borax product? How do you know what else is in it and that it is safe? I always have a box around for the other stuff, and it sure doesn't suggest ingesting the material. Sounds as though it has helped your condition Daddybob. Really very interesting. I never knew boron was a hard to get element, and had such consequences if deficient. Maz ransley wrote: >OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks to a wet finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it measured about 1/4 teaspoon. So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too high?< That's about right. Anymore will start to give you a herx if you have pathogenic arthritis. I try to take this much every day about 6 days a week. When I took it 3-4 times a day for a week I got quite a herx from it. Backed off, went without for a few days, herx went away. Did it all over, got herx again. Backed off, herx stopped. Next time I took a lot of Bragg vinegar because it has boron, just to make sure about it all. Got a herx again. Taking the borax steadily is easier to live with and works just fine. I am on a list to try a new boron product when it comes out. I'll report when that happens. For now, borax is probebly the single sheapest and most effective thing I've ever done for my arthritis. I've done lots of things that have worked, but nothing has worked this good, this cheap, this easy. Daddybob No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 6/17/2007 8:23 AM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: CS>narcolepsy
What is Lugols iodine? I am interested in trying it for fatigue. I called a few pharmacies and they say above a certain concentration it is illegal to sell iodine, and don't have Luogols. The health food store has a "Liquid Kelp" iodine supplement that is actually kelp standardized to 150mcg per 2 drops with potassium iodide. How much iodine is in order for this type of experimenting? Glenn I did and it works for me. Jodi Deborah Gerard wrote on 6/2/2007, 7:36 PM: thanks for your reply...do you think that iodine could help with the narcolepsy? thanks again debbie - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
Re: CS>Re: herpes virus- marshall
Couple of things I've wondered about in light of this discussion. Does anyone know, or have some consideration of the following. First, can DMSO bring silver into locations where virus hide? nerves? base of spine? lymph? Second, with regard to the Lysine helps combat infection, Arginine hurts by helping the virus. Is this a matter of balance? proportion? Can someone let me know the mechanism of either substance? h, OK a third. Are lysine and arginine effective and counterindicated, respectively, only with a certain type of virus? Maz Marshall Dudley wrote: I took a couple of ounces a day of 5 ppm CS for several years. Within the last couple of years, I no longer take it, unless I am exposed to something or feel something coming down. Thus I really don't know when it really got completely cured so it would not come back if I stopped taking CS, could have been a few weeks, or could have been 5 years. Marshall Clayton Family wrote: > > On May 30, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote: > >> Charles Marcus wrote: The key to fight off the herpes virus ( chicken pox/shingles ), is ingesting a mixture of Lysine and Colloid silver. >>> >>> According to Saul, the herpes virus lives at the base of the spine, >>> and the only way to completely rid the body of it permanently is to >>> funnel ozone daily over the base of the spine for a few months... >>> >>> Charles >> >> I got rid of herpes simplex I with nothing but colloidal silver. Have >> not had a cold sore outbreak in 9 years now, whereas before I would >> have them almost monthly for over 45 years. The statistics are >> pretty impressive. Before CS, 400 or so outbreaks over 45 years. >> After CS zero outbreaks over 9 years. >> >> Marshall > > > How much did it take for you? > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.
CS>cleaning CS electronics
OK , this particular incident is not a CS generator issue, but it could be. Plus I nkow there are some generous smart flok here. I have an inverter DC to AC that I have carried around in my vehicle for years and used only occasional, but significantly. This weekend a gallon of spare antifreeze burst and inundated the inverter in a well in the trunk. (I carry preparedness stuff i.e. winter survival stuff for the mountains, tools, air pumps, ice skates). So I tipped it and drained it, took it apart and toweled and blow dryer-ed it dry. It was wet inside everywhere. There are switches and a board in there of course and connections that look stained and gunky from the drenching, and age I suppose. What's the best way to clean and maintain this very useful gadget? and of course CS gadgetsin similar states. Maz - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
CS>Conducting silver epoxy
I've asked before about using the accumulation of grey stuff that I have on the
bottom of my "bottoms" jar. But the other day 2 of my projects may have come
together in an interesting idea. I have an old Honda Nighthawk ("vintage"
motorcycle) that I am rewiring and tightening up some fried connections on.
For some I would like to use a solder epoxy due to the location of some of
these connections. There is a silver epoxy product available at a local
industrial electronics shop, and I could probably use a product made for
repairing electric rear window defroster wires, but then I realize that I could
mix something up myself and have much more fun at that, using my fuzzy silver
(hydroxide/oxide).
So I'll ask you guys and my Nighthawk list about ideas and recommendations for
approaching this formula. Conduction is more important than epoxy level
adhesion.
Consider yourselves asked.
Maz
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CS> the EIS/dmso/xylitol nansal spray
Can anyone recall a formula for sinus spray that includes EIS/DMSO/xylitol? It was mentioned here some time back. I'd love to try it at this time since I am fighting some sort of infection. I do use EIS/DMSO spray and it does work well - if I can keep it up. But the xylitol may be an improvement. I'd greatly appreciate a formula with experiences using this or other nansal sprays to deal with sinus issues of unknown cause (viral, bacterial, fungal) . This is a repeat issue that I'd love to eliminate completely. Gracias, Maz - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
CS>post generation Silver compounds
Is there any use for the accumulated silver "powder" that I have from these years of CS generation? I usually get very little silver (hydroxide? oxide?) when I make a batch. I let it settle and pour off the bottom into a jar with these solids. Anyone have a use for these fluffy solids? - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
CS>Silver action on live yeast
Can someone point me to, or elucidate, the data/personal experience/research that shows the nature and extent of silver's action on live yeast? Maz - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: CS>Brewer's baker's and anti-candida live yeast
I have never considered eating active yeast alone, did not know that a yeast smoothie was made with active yeast, don't know about the anti-yeast yeast, and I've always thought the nutritional yeast was not active (though Saccharomyces cerevisiae). I only checked that recently at the following site which grows and distributes the nutrional yeast I buy. They state that their nutritional yeast is grown, pasturized and dried. They produce many yeast products from baking to ethanol. http://www.lsaf.com/index.asp?Division=NutritionalYeast&Section=FAQ Duncan, you may be interested in the other constituents. "In addition to protein, dietary fiber, vitamins and minerals, it contains additional functional and beneficial components such as beta-1,3 glucan, trehalose, mannan and glutathione. Studies have show that these components have potential health benefits such as, improved immune response, reduction of cholesterol, and anti-cancer properties. Complex carbohydrates (beta-1, 3 glucan and mannan) found in Red Star® nutritional yeast include dietary fibers that have been shown to have a positive relationship to decreased serum cholesterol. Beta-1, 3 glucan stimulates the body's immune system. Glutathione, an antioxidant, plays an important role in cellular defense mechanisms. Red Star's nutritional yeast contains approximately 2.5 mg. of glutathione per gram of yeast." Maz Duncan Crow wrote: Brewer's, baker's and anti-candida yeast are practically identical, and all are sold in live form for their respective purpose. Brewers yeast is bought fresh for brewing because it's not contaminated like it eventully would become if brewers maintained their own culture, like sourdough. Keeping ones own culture would be undesireable in beer due to the contamination. Perhaps nutritional yeast is killed sometimes, I don't know, but this would be a relatively new development; traditionally, yeast smoothies have been made with live brewer's yeast. Duncan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
Re: CS>Yeast & Medline
Thanks Terry. I had also read over the manufacture process of Nutritional Yeast at Red Star. They dry AND pasturize (to kill) the yeast they produce for consumption as food. Although still possible in theory to have live yeast that evaded the pasturization process, it does not seem likely that the nutritional yeast or brewers yeast that is not "alive" after the brewing process (is this true? are the brewers yeasts actively killed or killed in the process by the rising alcohol content wholesale as in most fermenting?) Good question..."How can they be equally considered in a study about an "etiologic agent of invasive infection"?" And again I wonder why Nutrional yeast would pose an infectous agent problem, as opposed to a possible sensitivity or allergic problem for some individuals, perhaps especially those who are already dealing with a systemic yeast infection. Can someone point me to, or elucidate, the data/personal experience/research that shows the nature and extent of silver's action on live yeast? And Terry, you've been a veritable munificent fountain of info. If you don't mind me asking, since you've mentioned your clients, what do you do? Maz Terry Chamberlin wrote: From Medline: > Saccharomyces cerevisiae (also known as "baker's yeast" or "brewer's yeast") < www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16267727&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum This is interesting. Bakers yeast is a live yeast (used to make bread rise), brewers yeast is not (it's a left-over substance after making beer). If you used brewers yeast in place of bakers yeast to make bread, you would have thick, flat pancakes with a yeasty flavor. How can they be equally considered in a study about an "etiologic agent of invasive infection"? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: CS>Nutritional yeast
I had heard that dried nutritional yeast (though it is a "yeast) is not a problem for those with, or a cause of, yeast infection. I had the impression that the yeast overgrowth infection was caused by immune system function and/or too much sugar which causes the overgrowth. But, not being sure - I appreciate the input. Terry, are you saying that in those that have an active "Candida" infection and react poorly to nutritional yeast, are feeding the infective yeast with the nutritional yeast (ny)? Or could it be a general food sensitization or allergen to yeast? And thank you for your observation re ny stabilizing blood sugar - very interesting. Do you know the mechanism? How does it act on blood sugar levels? Another comment made by Duncan was, I believe, that ny can out-compete Candida, and in fact is used as a probiotic. I thought that ny was dead, not active or even able to replicate. How could it out-compete any living organism? Maz Terry Chamberlin wrote: Dee said, > I had always understood that if you had a candida type infection, then you shouldn't eat anything with yeast in it. < One needs to distinguish between live bakers yeast and dead, cooked nutritional yeast. I have had many "Candida" clients over the years. About half of them can eat nutritional yeast freely. The other half can hardly look at it. The reason for this is that there are, at last count, over 30 different yeast/fungus microbes that folks struggle with, all of them called "Candida". Some of those microbes love nutritional yeast and will thrive in the body of the person who eats N. yeast. Others are indifferent to it, and the folks with those particular yeast microbes can eat N. yeast freely. Doctors don't even try to differentiate between one type of yeast infection and another, but call them all Candida (even though only one of them is Candida Albicans). In 30+ years, I have never seen a food/supplement that is more effective at stabilizing blood sugar than nutritional yeast. Terry Chamberlin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
RE: CS>Whey/Nutritional Yeast
You mention below a yeast derived selenium. I have intended to ask the list folk what the available info/collective knowledge is on nutritional yeast. I have over the years eaten the stuff and found it to be a healthy addition. It contains many amino acids, B vits (some added), minerals. If I take some rather than a cup of coffee - I get the energy without the static of caffiene. I have also observed that of late, the nutritional yeast does not impart the niacin rush as readily or at the same amount of nutritional yeast ingested, compared to earlier times. There could be serveral explanations, including lesser quality yeast, less added niacin, and/or my older body needing more and reacting less. Maz Duncan Crow wrote: Carol Ann, Free cysteine is toxic (Meister, 1984; Baruchel et at., 1996) and is poorly absorbed and transported. Another form N- acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC) is an amine protected version of cysteine. It is rapidly hydrolyzed in the body to cysteine and it has a vey short half-life. Not before some gets into the liver and this small percentage is indeed used by the liver. But because the rest of the free cysteine is a toxin at the decent doses required regularly, outside of an emergency life- saving situation such as acetaminophen overdose it's not a good drug, and it's not a health supplement. Overall it's not particularly beneficial because of the toxin load trade-off. That's why I recommend undenatured whey for glutathione increase. The ALA is useful with the Whey. Duncan On 5 Mar 2007 at 18:52, Carol Ann wrote: > Duncan, I came across some NAC by Jarrow on sale and bought it ~ > supposedly a glutathione precursor as well and a beneficial > antioxident. My question is whether it would be advantageous to > take it with the Whey, as I do Alpha Lipioc acid, DMAE and > psychogenol. > > Duncan Crow wrote: Dan, I use selenomethionine extracted from yeast culture > - some > yeast seleniums still have yeast but I don't think that's an > issue. > > Dosage would be about 200 mcg for healthy people with extremely > low arsenic exposure gained mainly via their drinking water; in > illness and allowing for the arsenic, about double that, and at > 1100 mcg daily viral load reduction and tumour shrinkage was > observed. It wasn't until adult subjects got 3200 mcg daily for a > year they started coming up with temporary fingernail > deformities, a toxic symptom. No other symptom was observed. > > Again, this is a complement to undenatured whey, a pronounced > glutathione precursor. > > Duncan > > > > On 5 Mar 2007 at 9:46, Dan Nave wrote: > > > What sort of selenium do you recommend? > > > > Dan > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Duncan Crow [mailto:duncanc...@shaw.ca] > > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 4:29 PM > > To: Cinder Ella; silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS>Whey > > > > Doris, if the whey is undenatuerd, meaning uncooked, it's a very good > > precursor for glutathione, the body's master antioxidant and detoxifier. > > With selenium, it's a very useful core therapy for most illnesses > > including age-related degeneration, autoimmune diseases and immune > > support; practically all of our reactions involve glutathione including > > energy generation. > > > > Duncan > > > > On 4 Mar 2007 at 15:01, Cinder Ella wrote: > > > > > Pat, what was the purpose of just buying whey? Is it for a protein > > > substitute? If so there are many protein shakes on the market that > > > are built around whey. If you have a blender and like fruits you > > > could put it in a blender with fruits and make a shake? > > > I have never eaten whey by itself. Doris > > > > > > Pat > wrote: > > > I've ordered whey for my son and myself. How is it used? Neither of > > us like the taste of milk (unless I have chocolate chip cookies). Do you > > do it in a blender or can you just shake it? Mix with water? Can you mix > > chocolate syrup into it? It has to be tasty to someone used to a typical > > American diet or it will just be wasted. > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > __ > > > It's here! Your new message! > > > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > > > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to > > Yahoo! Answers
RE: CS>Alfalfa and Kelp, amount and ingestion
Thanks Duncan and Peter. A teaspoon or so sounds fine to me, but I am not sure I would worry about amounts slightly better than a teaspoon. I've had horses - but still am no expert - and they thrived on quantities of alfalfa hay, as I recall. So I am now curious about this even more. And if in ground and in caps perhaps 2-4. I'll try some in my cereal tomorrow morning. Duncan Crow wrote: What's a teaspoon of alfalfa powder, two grams approx? I wouldn't go higher. Alfalfa is "too hot" for horses except as a supplement due to the high nitrogen (kidney burden, kidney damage), and it may be too hot for humans too. Duncan On 21 Dec 2006 at 20:27, Peter M. Stellas wrote: > Maz, > > > > I occasionally add a teaspoonful of alfalfa to my breakfast, along with two > teaspoonfuls of yeast flakes and an equal quantity of semi-ground > flax-seeds. A rather good mixture, along with other items. I used to add > alfalfa to my dog's dinner too. > > > > Peter > > > > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
CS>Alfalfa and Kelp, amount and ingestion
Does anyone here use alfalfa in a powdered form for human consumption? I recall seeing a note from Brooks re the use of alfalfa for dogs (among other things) wherein he sprinkles the powder on the food. I would like to include some mineral rich alfalfa in my pregnant wifes diet - and mine, but am guessing as to the amount and method to take, I would like to include kelp powder as well. I could put in caps, but if anyone has a better notion, I'd sure appreciate hearing it. I have in the past mixed powders in apple sauce. Worked pretty well. Looking for variety and other ideas. radishes, Maz __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>soldering, esp small parts
Thank you for the detailed basics on soldering. I was not even aware that I wasn't getting a nice 2 wire thing with a nice long lead. They sure don't cost much, I may just buy those "easy" ones and practice on the short lead diodes. And I'll check out the specs on the 3-lead diodes too. "M. G. Devour" wrote: Hi Max, I think you've set yourself at a bit of a disadvantage without realizing it. The easier way to go would have been to buy diodes with leads rather than surface mount. You may want to return them (if the vendor allows that) or write them off and order some with leads. I've never done anything with surface mount yet. If you put the following into Google, you'll get some guides to equipment and technique: "surface mount" "soldering technique" As you explore electronics you'll find a lot of hobbyist info and rub elbows with ham radio enthusiasts a lot. They are good resources. The most important things about soldering are clean surfaces, proper flux, and applying heat the right way... If you're using standard components of any kind, the leads are usually tinned or plated with something to prevent tarnish. Wire or circuit boards may or may not be plated. If there is any visible tarnish or corrosion, then scrape, sand, or scrub the surfaces gently until they're bright. Something as simple as a pencil eraser could be enough, or a knife blace or a little fine sandpaper. The exact method you use depends on common sense and the mechanical requirements of the situation. Leave your belt sander in the cabinet!!! Flux is the next step in getting clean surfaces. It is designed to dissolve the invisible oxide layer that inevitably forms on metal surfaces so that the soldering alloy can wet to the surfaces being joined for a strong mechanical and chemical joint. In metalworking you might use acid fluxes or borax or other chemicals. KEEP ALL SUCH FLUXES AWAY FROM ELECTRONICS WORK! The only safe kind of flux to use in electronics is rosin. Now, electronics folks have made it easy for you. Just buy rosin core electronics solder from any of the electronics suppliers. Since you're working with small stuff, small diameter solder is best. Something around .04 inches (1mm) is best. It takes very little heat to melt. Lastly, proper application of heat requires a reasonably sized soldering iron, an appropriately shaped and clean tip, and a firm understanding of what it is you're trying to accomplish... For small stuff like this you only need a 25W iron, and a small, slender tip. You'll probably find good suggestions for equipment for SMC use in the resources you dig up online. Take advantage of their experience. You *won't* be using a big honking 200W soldering gun or a metalworker's iron that's heated with a torch! Get a holder with a sponge in the base to put your iron in when it's not in your hand. You'll need the sponge and it'll protect the environment (and you) from accidental burns. If you want to go first class, get yourself a temperature controlled soldering station with all the bells and whistles. They heat up fast and can pour a lot of power into the job, but won't overheat the work. Expensive, but a real joy to have if you decide to get into the hobby long term. Now that we've got everything at hand, let's see what we have to do to make a good joint... Heat your soldering iron. When it's up to temperature melt a little solder on the tip. The flux from the solder will bubble up and smoke, and a small blob of solder should cling to the surface. Then wipe the tip with a quick swipe on the damp sponge. It should end up shiny. You'll do this anytime you pick up the hot iron and it isn't still shiny. Often another swipe on the sponge will bring it back. If not, another small touch of solder will be needed. Your soldering tip is now ready to apply to the joint. You've already made sure that the surfaces to be joined are shiny. You should also be sure that the mechanical joint between the parts is stable and reasonably strong. Using solder as "glue" to hold a joint together is not the best technique in general. It is susceptible to vibration and fatigue. With PC mount components you've got leads going through a hole to stablize things. With SMC you usually have the part glued to the substrate to keep it in place while it's being soldered. Joining wires, or wires to terminals, you'll wrap or twist or pinch the joint so it's mechanically sound before you solder. Finally, the big moment. Here's where you finally see what it is you're trying to accomplish. Apply your shiny, tinned soldering tip to the junction of the parts to be joined. Poke the solder into the joint near but not on the tip to see if the parts are hot enough to melt the solder. Remember: You are heating the PARTS hot enough so they will melt the solder, NOT heating the solder. Once the parts are hot enough, you'll see the rosin in the solder melt, spread, and bubble all
Re: CS>Diodes with 3 leads ?
Hey V, or other helpful brethren and sistern, I should have asked about the 3 leads too. Which 2 leads do I have to short together? And as for surface mounting,; do I get a circuit board at Radio Shack or somesuch to help wire/mount? How do I know it'll fit, take it with me and try it on? I am pre ice-age. Mammoth soup anyone? Maz V wrote: Well the ones Max had had three metal legs ( leads) they are made for surface mounting and you haver to short two of the leads together. - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: CS>soldering, esp small parts
Thanks Wayne. My previous "practices" though not numerous were frustratingly poor quality and they were nothing like this in difficulty. How about conductive epoxy solder? I went looking for some around town and did not find any, but I know it exists. Would that be a good alternative? Any drawbacks? Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening Maza, >> I honestly am not sure if I can join these things without a meltdown. of this little black box. Any soldering tips? The proper wattage soldering iron, the right tip, and the proper gage solder is the first step. After that, practice good mechanics and watch for dirty or corroded parts. Cleaning them a bit can help. Enameled wire is very ornery. You have to fan the small strands out and lightly scrape them with a knife to remove the enamel. Finally, . practice is what it takes. Understanding heat transfer will become easier and make your soldering better. Don't give up. By the way, the smallest thing I ever soldered was a very fine wire in a hearing aid. I used a hot straight pin for the soldering iron. Never did figure the wattage on that one. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
Re: CS>DMSO odor
Interesting. I do not get the taste of DMSO "as often" anymore. I do get the taste still occassionaly. Others I have applied it to as an introduction to aid a sore or arthritic condition have had varying levels of the taste response. I have always been curious about this, attributing it to the age of an opened container of DMSO, strength of application (of course), but wonder about the internal aspect. sol wrote: (apologies for not changing subject the first time) Some people do not get the body odor/bad breath/taste. My husband doesn't get it at all. I do. Everytime, though I've now been using DMSO for about 4 years. If you did get the odor at first, how long until it went away, or did you just get used to it? sol Staya Udanvti Bob Butler wrote: > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO/ > > > I have been using DMSO since the 1960's and I do not smell, nor taste > it anymore. Even when taking it internally. > - Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.
CS>Siler source again
I don't know where my sources went from my bookmarks. But maybe I'll learn of another I didn't know about. Can I get some sources for silver at 3 or 4 9's. I am using wire now from my last order, but have used flat stock wire, and Canadian Maple Leafs too. I think I prefer the round wire. What are the surface areas on the round wires? Thanks again, Maz - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
CS>soldering, esp small parts
I finally purchased a couple current limiting diodes. Excited. They came, I was ready to go further down this road to get to a better CS. Less waste, more consistent, clear, small particle, less operator error with an auto braking chip, making more volume, kicking some very bothersome and persistant microbia butt. But, I am not so practiced at soldering large parts with long wires and glommy results. These diodes are very small and have 3 very little metal legs. I honestly am not sure if I can join these things without a meltdown. of this little black box. Any soldering tips? Maz - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: CS>Glass vessel Metal spout Repost
Ode, That's what I thought - thanks for the info. I'll find another use for the "fancy glass" vessel with the nice metal spout. The spout is copper brass color - so I am sure what you describe is what is happening here. All the desired ions are clumping/depositing away on and around the metal spout - no good. Plus the potential for lead or other contaminants from the "fancy glass" - back to the basics, sun tea jars. Maz Ode Coyote wrote: Fancy glass generally has odd metals in it...often lead. Some metals will attract silver out of the water. Copper is one. Just drop a piece of shiny copper into your container and let it sit a few days. It will become covered with black fluffy deposits as CS conductivity and TE goes down to zero. Ode At 01:57 PM 8/23/2006 -0700, you wrote: >I am cutting and pasting this previous post. I just returned from a short >trip and noticed there were no takers/responses. Any thoughts on the following: > >My loving kids bought me a fancy glass vessel with a nice metal spout for >my CS drinking. My clear CS is making small grey/grey-black aggregates in >the solution and around the metal spout that is inside the container. The >inside metal itself is now coated with black (silver oxide?). I am >concerned and assuming that this is not a good thing since I am trying for >the small particle version CS. And since I believe I have a relatively >weak but decent quality (do not have meters) I believe I am loosing my >desired ions to the clumps. Anything to do about this metal reaction? I >like my fancy vessel, but more-so my CS and health benefits. > >Also, what are the possibilities of leaching undesirable metals and/or >methyl,ethyl,death compounds from the glass since it is mostly distilled >water? I have been storing and dispensing in sun tea jars and that did >work fine as wine. But this fancy glass object spiked my interest in >leachable undesirable elements. > >Maz > > > >Get your email and more, right on the >new Yahoo.com > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/425 - Release Date: 8/22/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/425 - Release Date: 8/22/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
CS>Glass vessel Metal spout Repost
I am cutting and pasting this previous post. I just returned from a short trip and noticed there were no takers/responses. Any thoughts on the following: My loving kids bought me a fancy glass vessel with a nice metal spout for my CS drinking. My clear CS is making small grey/grey-black aggregates in the solution and around the metal spout that is inside the container. The inside metal itself is now coated with black (silver oxide?). I am concerned and assuming that this is not a good thing since I am trying for the small particle version CS. And since I believe I have a relatively weak but decent quality (do not have meters) I believe I am loosing my desired ions to the clumps. Anything to do about this metal reaction? I like my fancy vessel, but more-so my CS and health benefits. Also, what are the possibilities of leaching undesirable metals and/or methyl,ethyl,death compounds from the glass since it is mostly distilled water? I have been storing and dispensing in sun tea jars and that did work fine as wine. But this fancy glass object spiked my interest in leachable undesirable elements. Maz - Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
CS>Glass vessel, Metal spout
My loving kids bought me a fancy glass vessel with a nice metal spout for my CS drinking. Frist thing is my clear CS is making small grey/grey-black aggregates in the solution and aroung the metal spout that is inside the container. The inside metal itself is now coated with black (silver oxide?). I am concerned and assuming that this is not a good thing since I am trying for the small particle version CS. And since I believe I have a relatively weak but decent quality (do not have meters) I believe I am loosing my desired ions to the clumps. Anything to do about this metal reaction? I like my fancy vessel, but moreso my CS and health benefits. Also, what are the possibilities of leaching undesirable metals and/or methyl,ethyl,death compounds from the glass since it is mostly distilled water? I have been storing and dispensing in sun tea jars and that did work fine as wine. But this fancy glass object spiked my interest in leachable undesirable elements. Maz - Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: CS>Lyme and salt/c
Hello All/Daddybob, Good to hear your daughter is doing well. Glad I scanned the posts here today. I've seen "salt/C" mentioned before and sounds like a reference to a protocol that all know but I. What is it? And what is the problem w Vit C derived from corn? When I read these posts - I learn something new that day. radishes, Maz ransley wrote: Busy, busy these days, almost missed this thread, saw I was mentioned. Our youngest daughter, who will turn 18 in about 3 months, has been doing Salt/C and CS, probiotics, Beck Blood Electrification, used V's LED unit, and the Meissner/Key/Biagioli energizer (simple MWO?) against Lyme since Thanksgiving Day 2005. We have not bothered with tests as I quickly came to the conclsion that they are notoriously undependable and she had the Bull's Eye rash. Plus, I didn't need anyone to tell me that she was sick. She is now at 12 grams per day each of "good" salt and non-corn vitamin c, soon to top out at 13 grams which is 1 gram per 12 pounds body weight. She has gone through may tribulatons but in comparison to other people's pproblems, hers have been mild. In fact most of her "herxes" I believe were nothing more than reactions to cheap corn-based vitamin c. We are now using the C from the Vitmain C Foundation. She had many new rashes to coome out to her skin when she started the protocol. I did it just to be in step with her; I don't have Lyme, but I sure did have a nematode to exit my tongue. Last fall, she had a fainting spell in the halftime show while marching with her high school band at a football game. This summer she's back at work at a local open air (non-air-conditioned) seafood restaurant in 95F heat and beach humidity, also mowing our yards, doing great on all accounts. We caught it early and treated it fast and hard. Daddybob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
CS>MRSA
I just received a report from some good friends that they have been suffering with MRSA. First the mom got it - thought it was a spider bite, then the older child then the younger child and now dad. I asked if it was actually diagnosed, and they say it was. They only just now called me because the dad does not have insurance. I wish they had called me sooner. I gave them what I had on hand that I make - approx 1/2 gal - and a tube of Tetrasil. I told them to drink 2 oz every 2 - 4 hours with gatorade. How does that sound for dosing? At that rate they will go through what I gave them fast. So what is up with MRSA? I never heard of it being passed to each family member like that, though I know it is found in many places and not so uncommon in hospitals and nursing homes. Does anyone have direct or more scientific knowledge? I am curious and cautious. We have a new baby in the house and wonder how infectious it really is - plus I would like to assist my stressed friends. - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
RE: CS>Plating small things
Thank you V, Ode, and Bob for your 3 responses. One was a bit light but potential, one a bit heavy industrial yet informative, and one that looks just right for my application. (3 bears reference) I wonder if the plating kit below, the silver kit, is mostly silver or made to be used to get a silver look (shiney, mirror) but with not much silver. I'll look into it. I want to silver plate some cheap jewelry that has mucho sentimental value but has irritating qualities from the metals used - nickel?? for my daughter. I was hoping someone would say a slight modification of an EIS system - using baking soda, vinegar, sodium hydroxide, wine yeast, a 2X4, and cast iron cooking ware :) you know...household or easily obtainable stuff. Bob, the constituency of the plating kits could be important to your application with regards to its conductivity. I used to have a 26 Columbia sailboat when I lived on Casco Bay in Maine. So using and keeping track of the zincs was important. But I had metal components on a fiberglass hull. Are you on salt water? How do you redo an aluminum hull? Do you use zincs or somesuch to protect your hull? Max "Medwith, Robert" wrote: RE: CS>Plating small thingshttp://www.caswellplating.com/kits/plugnplate.htm Do not know how well it works, but have been thinking about getting it. I have a sensor on bottom of my boat that is silver plated (reads current on aluminum hull). The sensor and boat is 32 years old and needs redone. I hung 4 ft of my silver wire over side and got different reading than the sensor. Bob -Original Message- From: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com] On Behalf Of V Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:26 PM To: Max Sanders Subject: Re: CS>Plating small things Hi Max, there is a way to plate things just using a chemical Take care, V > I would like to plate some small items with silver. Can our EIS > system, or some simple variation be used to apply a very thin coating? > I believe industrial plating solutions use an acid bath, but that is > about all I know. Since this is limited use, I don't need great speed > and quantity of items. > note: I am still considering, or rather interested, in the cast iron > plating concept.but this is not that. > Maz > Acmeair wrote: doing the vitc/salt protocol, > can you use potassium instead of salt? > need a good source of vit c, potassium, > thanks, jim > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > - > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save > big. -- - New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates.
CS>Plating small things
I would like to plate some small items with silver. Can our EIS system, or some simple variation be used to apply a very thin coating? I believe industrial plating solutions use an acid bath, but that is about all I know. Since this is limited use, I don't need great speed and quantity of items. note: I am still considering, or rather interested, in the cast iron plating concept.but this is not that. Maz Acmeair wrote: doing the vitc/salt protocol, can you use potassium instead of salt? need a good source of vit c, potassium, thanks, jim -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.
Re: CS>Re: Far infrared bulbs
I have been reading this thread with a geat deal of interest as I also desire to use FIR. But as below...what bulbs are you using here? 4, 150W what? I have looked at the products available as saunas or lamps, but I was unsure how to or what to obtain for the source FIR generation to build that fits my needs and budget. What do the far infrared saunas use? Are these bulbs (far infrared) readily available? And are the infrared "reptile" bulbs, as someone cleverly put in use, generating far infrared? radishes, Maz V wrote: Hi Marshall, Yes you need that much I use 4 of the 150 watt ones and it is jsut enough. the distance you are away from them has a lot to do with it. if you are right up near them they get very warm but when they are 2 feet away they are very pleasant and comfertable for long periods of time. dont confuse them with a 250 watt heat lamp which will burn you up. But thats not Far infrared so there is a big difference in these Far infgrared heaters as far as wattage required. So I lay under 600 watts worth of them and I barely break a sweat. you dont need to sweat much to make FIR work in the body. It works even if you dont sweat. Take care, V > "M. G. Devour" wrote: >> Jason asks: >> > Are these 150 watt heaters suitable for human use? ... or would one >> > truly need a 300 watt far infrared heater? >> Two 150's side by side is going to be hard to distinguish from one 300. >> > But is 300 watts necessary? That is a heck of a lot of power to be pumping > into one's body, a person normally generates about 100 watts of heat, so > that would increase their heat load by 300%. The body would have to > dissipate 4X as much as as normal, and if using it on an extremety could > result in overheating or even cooking I would think. >> One question worth asking is what kind of electromagnetic field do they >> generate? If I put myself in a box with a bunch of these, how bad is >> the bombardment? > They generate far infrared. It is similar to the radiation you feel coming > off of a hot pan and will contain both far as well as near infrared. Use > of some cotton between it and your body will eliminate the near infrared > (that has very little penetrating power), leaving the deep penetration far > infrared. > Refrigerators are being made with far infrared compartments for meat. They > claim that the far infrared increases the nucleic acid in meat, making it > maintain it's taste longer. This could be a hint on what it does in the > body as well. Also there is a paper on pasturization using far infrared, > which might mean it is capable of killing pathogens in the body as well: > TI Far-infrared irradiation effect on pasteurization of bacteria on or > within wet-solid medium > AU Hashimoto, Atsushi; Igarashi, Hideo; Shimizu, Masaru > AF Tokyo Univ of Agriculture & Technology > AC Tokyo > AY Jpn > SE J Chem Eng Jpn > ST Journal of Chemical Engineering of Japan > SN 0021-9592 > CN JCEJAQ > IG 0078972 ISL n 6 SD Dec VOL v 25 YR 1992 > AT (Author abstract) NR 9 Refs AB > The present purpose is to study the influence of far-infrared > irradiation on pasteurization of Escherichia coli and Staphylococcus > aureus on or within a model for wet-solid food. Agar medium was used > as the food model. By determining the thermal resistances of the test > bacteria, the pasteurization effect of far-infrared irradiation > (radiative heating) was compared with that of hot-air heating > (a conventional method) from the viewpoint of thermal death kinetics. > It was found experimentally that far-infrared irradiation is more > effective than hot-air heating for the test bacteria on the agar-plate. > More information on FIR can be found here: > http://www.chimachine4u.com/fir.html > Marshall > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
Re: CS>Cooking utensils
How about silver plating anything? hammers? cookware? Is this possible with a variation of an EIS system? How 'bout a dead horse? We could beat that with a silver hammer. I am still curious about silver plating, oh say, a small pan? my ring finger, etc. Robert Berger wrote: Listers is there not another subject that you can beat to death besides cookware? "Ole Bob" - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: CS>Curing Cast Iron to As Good As Teflon Non Stick
Charles Actually, I like the idea of a silver plating too! Is this practicle? How to do this if it makes sense? Your advice is the ticket on cast iron care. Works for me! But I do have a couple of stainless pots and an enamel. The cast iron are the workhorses. And I just re-treated all my pans - so I have reeducate the other users! The oil treating does get to smoking temp, so turn the fans on while conditioning the cast iron. And some will say not to "clean" an oil pan at alljust kinda wipe. Well, I don't like bits left, esp say fish bits, so I clean. But with a well cured iron pan, a very little soap and rub will take care of bits and leave the cured pan. Be sure to dry and as suggested a light spray of oil as needed while storing. Charles, how do you know really that no iron is transfered? This would seem to me to be varialble based on acidity and heat, etc. Maz Charles Sutton wrote: The websites below may be useful. I learned by trial and error how to cook, and take care of a cast iron pan. If you find a skillet at the flea marked with 1/4 inch of carbon or more on the bottom. Put it in an oven that is self cleaning. Place it upside down and leave it in there during the cleaning cycle...It will come out clean down to the original iron. Polish it up with metal scrubber. Put some cooking oil in it while still warm. Take a paper towel and polish it to remove all the oil you can. Put it in the oven at 350 and bake it for at least an hour. This will turn the very thin amount of oil on it into carbon, in effect "plating" it with carbon. No metal taste. No iron will get into the food. and whatever you use to cook an egg, the egg will slide around on the bottom like non-stick I never wash it, just use the metal scrubber to clean it...Not down to the metal, or you will have to cure it again... Put it back on the stove and dribble a little oil in it and polish it back up with a paper towel. Let the pan get hot just in case there are any beasties there, and use it again.soon you will have a nice plating of carbon. Never put it in the dishwasher, it will rust and you will have to cure it again.. Use soap if you must, but do it by hand and make sure you rinse off the soap completely then oil it again The antique pans are the best because they are mush more polished.. The new ones available now are rough finished, and can't be properly cured... Actually, I like the idea of silver plating itnever tried it though.. http://whatscookingamerica.net/Information/CastIronPans.htm http://housewares.about.com/od/cookware/f/curingcastiron.htm http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/Humor/Al/CuringIron.htm - Original Message - From: "Sharie Hartwell" To: Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 5:29 AM Subject: CS>Visionware > Hi Wendy, > > I remember getting the Visionware at Canadian Tire (cheap!) and at > Zellers in Hanover, Ontario back in the 90's. I know you weren't > supposed to use the green scrubbies (would scratch and dull the > finish on glass) but I got lazy and gently tried to remove the cooked > (sometimes burned) food. It not only dulled the glass but left a > metallic sheen that looked like aluminum. I got ahold of a customer > service rep from Corningware and he said there was aluminum silicate > in the glass as well as in the white corningware products. > > We also advise patients to stay away from cast iron due to the many > problems with iron overload (hemachromatosis.) We tell them to use > the stainless steel pots that will stick to a magnet. Today's > stainless steel pots and pans are made with all kinds of alloys > (including the 5-ply, 6-ply and 7-ply ones) and do not adhere to > magnets. Occasionally I'll find a stainless pot or pan at a garage > sale here in Hawaii. When we lived in Canada, it was fairly easy to > find these old cookware at garage sales or swap meets especially in > the smaller towns and villages. > > Aloha, Sharie > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
CS>the castigation of cast iron
Did I miss the castigation of good'ol cast iron? I use it, love it, know how to treat it rightgranted when others cook with it around here I may be left to do damage control.worth it. Unless there is some unwholesome speculation/scary story or valid research that says otherwise. The iron is probably better for the women around here than me...so what's wrong with cast iron? What is in the alloy alchemy, besidesof course, iron? On topic Silver perchance? radishes, Max Tad Winiecki wrote: Jeanne wrote: > I have been trying to change to aluminum also, but i can't find any > frying pans Also, if just the nickel is a problem, perhaps cast iron frying pans or iron omelet pans would work? Nancy - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: CS>CONSTANT CURRENT RUN-AWAY
Ole Bob, I am sure I've had this dread condition in my history of silver production...but what is and how do I know I have "agglomeration setting in"? I think I feel a little in my knees and lower back right now! It is when the smaller silver particles come together to make larger clumps? of silver particles? not silver oxides, etc? And thus less desirable. Doesn't stirring help with that by making a more even distribution in the generator? I am familiar with visually monitoring my brew as I've been adjusting voltage to slow the process for awhile. But of course I still watch for the hairy greys on the cathode - which I do get occassionaly. But they are so fine they settle down to dust on the bottom when done (a waste yes, but still nice end product for stone age tech, me thinks). Not entirely sure what they are? silver ions and hydrogen? I am hoping the diode will allow my system to get up to the "limit" without me having to guess and ratchet it down manually. Forgive me for the possible mix-up, but I know that you have recently wrote a book on the subjectit is Ode that sells the generator with the magnetic stirrer? right? It is the 3 "O's" that gets me... Ole, Ode, and my getting Older. I've been a member of this list for awhile, but read and write with variable frequency. Of late I've read most or all of the postsstainless v. aluminum...what about cast iron? Max Robert Berger wrote: Max, PAGE 23 of my book on making silver solutions has a data plot the shows what happens when a constant current system is left un-attended. Current limiting is based on the area for the positive anode only. You cannot use 1 ma diodes for everything. If your anode has 12 sq in of wet area then you need to limit at 12 ma. Current limiting is NOT the panacea for all ills. You still have to monitor the voltage or conductance to see when agglomeration is setting in !! "Ole Bob" - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: CS>current regulating and magnetic stirring
I have been using magnetic stirring for awhile (couple years?) after trying a little elec motor and stirrer and an air bubbler. It is an old lab unit that I started experimenting with cause I had one, and the early discussions here about stirring. It worked, but was fast, and as I think Ode pointed out back then, it was too fast even at the slowest setting. Well, it was still better than not stirring, and I was using a larger vessel than prior so that helped as I kept the electrodes near the top. Then I went to slowing the motor, but I am using voltage regulation that is designed for resistive loads. What would a better option be for slowing the lab stirrer down? I know there are variable speed switches for routers and other hand tools which seems like it would be the ticket, but I am not sure and they are at least $25 (mucho $ for a cheapskate like me, if I can do better). Any other suggestions? Ode, isn't your unit the one with a modified lab stirrer to get the slower rotations? I bet that works great. As soon as I get the proper current limiting I think I'll be set. I have been loyally taking my own silver for several years due to HepC. Unfortunately, though it has been awhile since last test, I still had a similar viral load. Still I will persist, and I am hoping that this automatic current limiting will be better and faster, so I can up my quantities while being cognizant about quality. And thank you all for the great and clear info on current limiting diodes. Maz Dan Nave wrote: Buy the .91 or the 1.1 ma rated diode instead of the 1.0 ma rated diode. You will pay twice as much for the 1.0 ma rated diode. Dan >>> "S&JY" 3/1/2006 10:06:43 PM >>> Mouser Electronics www.mouser.com/centralsemi. You want a current regulator diode which you simply connect in series with one of the leads going to an electrode. They come in various current ratings starting at 0.22 mA on up to 4.7 mA. Some part part numbers are 610-1N52xx, where xx is 85 for .27 ma, 91 for 0.56 ma, 94 for 0.75 ma, 97 for 1.0 ma and 99 for 1.2 ma. You are better to go with less than one ma and let your generator run for a longer time; this yields smaller particles. Cost is about $2. --Steve Y. - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.
Re: CS>current regulating
One more clarification on current regulation, I believe, before I order and hook em up. Dan mentioned using the 1ma current limiting diodes in proportion to electrode surface area i.e.1ma/1sq in , whereas everyone was more or less in agreement on the limit at or under 1ma. Is the proportion the thing? And is it one or both electrodes? Maz Dan Nave wrote: Buy the .91 or the 1.1 ma rated diode instead of the 1.0 ma rated diode. You will pay twice as much for the 1.0 ma rated diode. Dan >>> "S&JY" 3/1/2006 10:06:43 PM >>> Mouser Electronics www.mouser.com/centralsemi. You want a current regulator diode which you simply connect in series with one of the leads going to an electrode. They come in various current ratings starting at 0.22 mA on up to 4.7 mA. Some part part numbers are 610-1N52xx, where xx is 85 for .27 ma, 91 for 0.56 ma, 94 for 0.75 ma, 97 for 1.0 ma and 99 for 1.2 ma. You are better to go with less than one ma and let your generator run for a longer time; this yields smaller particles. Cost is about $2. --Steve Y. - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
Re: CS>current regulating
Much appreciated Mike and Walter. I do want to clarify the correct ma limit I need, since the range for individual diodes as you stated are from 0.22ma to 4.7ma. What is the desired ma rating? Is there a majority or consensus idea? I have visited mouser.com so I know where to order the part(s). But Walter, I am not certain what you mean - or exactly how to wire - using 2 of the same type diodes. Are the 2 diodes wired in series on the output side wire, but placed side by side so they are parallel, and wired in parallel?? And this prevents voltage polarity problems? Hey I'm getting an education herewhat voltage polarity problems? Is this a fail safe if I wired wrong? And what happens when I use my X10 voltage (I think) regulating? I am assuming the diode(s) will make this unnecessary, but would there be any advantage or caution in using this type of volt adjustment procedure? Maz Walter Cooke wrote: >>what is the elec gizmo I need, A current limiting diode, 1N5283 series from 0.22ma to 4.7ma. >>and how is it installed?" Place in series with the output electrode. Hint: buy 2 diodes of the same part number and place the polarity bands facing each other then voltage polarity problems are automatically go away Walter - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
CS>current regulating
I hope that no one minds my repost. I did not receive an answer to my inquiry and I am quite sure the answer lies within these borders "I have been using with success a funky Silver generator that does not have current regulation. I have come to use a magnetic stirrer for a long time now and that was a huge breakthru, then I added a voltage limiting X10 unit that I have to push a button to adjust. It works OK, but I have never added the current limiting diode that would keep the limit on my system. I may even have received this info before and I know it's been discussed muchobut, what is the elec gizmo I need, where do I get it, and how is it installed?" Gracios, Maz - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
CS>Alpha Stim
Input, informed response sought, but not totoally on-topic. Does anyone within earshot know about and/or have experience with the Alpha-Stim Microcurrent Stimulator? Also, there was a discussion prior about using current to "drive" silver ions into a subdermal location to be rid of pesky virus. Could a device like the Alpha-Stim be used for this purpose? The system is 9V battery driven and has an adjustable current range 10 to 600uA. Frequency is 0.5, 1.5, or 100Hz. The electrodes are either hand held metal tiped probes, or self-adhesive (4 or2) for pain. Also has earclip electrodes for anxiety, depression, and/or insomnia. In all applications (except adhesive electrodes) a felt electrode is placed on the metal then wetted with a conductive saline solution. They sell thier own saline solution, of course. If the felt electrodes were wetted with a silver solution would that serve to provide silver ions to the local area? Are other ions being zapped into the local area? I have tried this device before and it helps mucho grande for pain. Gracios Maz - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
CS>current regulating diode?
I have been using with success a funky Silver generator that does not have current regulation. I have come to use a magnetic stirrer for a long time now and that was a huge breakthru, then I added a voltage limiting X10 unit that I have to push a button to adjust. It works OK, but I have never added the current limiting diode that would keep the limit on my system. I may even have received this info before and I know it's been discussed muchobut, what is the elec gizmo I need, where do I get it, and how is it installed? Gracios, Maz - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
Re: CS>Re: RE: CS>honeybees & CS?
The quick and equally unclear answer is to make sure they only take nectar and pollen from "organic" plants, while you do nothing to contribute to an unorganic hive in your management. To get honey certified as "organic" is as I understood it, nearly impossible and when I was paying more attention a few years back there was only 1 company that claimed to have certified or even certifiable "organic" honey and bee products. They were a company out of Illinois so I called them and asked how THAT was possible and they told me all the hives they got bee products from were located in remote areas of Canada - far enough away to be sure, and then they tested. We sold the products in our store and while we refused to use even formic acid in our own hives, we knew that our bees had access to nonorganic sources. The problem is of course is that the bees are harvesting in a radius that goes far enough to be uncontrolable and lack certainty that they have not encountered agri-toxins. We actually owned 100's of acres and were in the corn belt attempting to show that it was economically feasible to plant bee plants and bee in the honey business. We also devloped a mobil honey extraction unit, and generally had a labor intesive blast. We mostly planted and managed clover types - so even though we knew where most of our bees were we could not get certified "organic" (did not care for that blessing anyway)- but we by far had the best or one of the best quality honeys araound. Like I said the mites were our setback. With a couple hives one can do many things and still get by as a hobby. We were overwhelmed with 75 and we gave it heck. Or were you kidding? Knowing the wildness of bees. radishes, Maz noblemet...@bellsouth.net wrote: Max-how do you get your bees to make organic honey? > - Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars.
RE: CS>honeybees & CS?
First of all if you do not have mites (and are sure) do not buy or use anyone elses used equipment (more a concern for other problems). There are more natural defenses that may work. I have also been a beekeeper on and off for many years. The last time we got up to 75 hives and became quite known for our quality honey which we sold in our health food store. The local beekeepers in our area were not even trying to go organic. And I understood. If you have to buy/replace a large percentage of your hive's bees each year, you could never make a living. The only people in the area that did not get the mites were hobby beekeepers who were somewhat isolated and fortunate. We tried essentail oils working with a bug doc in some SE University, we tried lots of stuff - and we never figured it out to the point where we were making money at it. We did refuse to use the chemicals, but the choice that some "organic" beekeepers use is formic acid. I refused to use that as well. There are other ideas including a smaller cell size and of course breeding attempts, but the problem is huge and important. But I had other sources of income and though I was researching several aspects of beekeeping and honey production, I sure sympathized with the beekeepers who needed the honey revenue. Beekeepers are a wonderful lot. Do support your local beekeeper, and you may get a better quality of honey if you ask about his mite methods - some will go right for the banned poisons, and they don't have to be "factory" operations. There is no way that you NEED to feed sugar water. Leave them a whole super of honey, enough to get them through the winter AND the spring. Save some supers w honey in the frames to feed them in the spring if they need it - check in those early warm days, that's when they starve. Only if you have no other honey saved and they need something must you use sugar. Others use it because it is a cheap substitute for the honey. I am not an expert on silver (or bees) but mites themselves would likely be unaffected. Still, it may provide some protection for other bee ills - beekeepers do use antibiotics for some things - don't know about silver as a replacement. By not medicating you would present an oppotunity to keep strong hives that MAY be strong enough to not be killed off if and when infected by the mites or other natural stresses - and then develop resistant offspring. That would only help the population. I say Don't medicate - especially if you have no reason to do it. But keep an eye on your hivesman, I miss it. You can do a world of good just by replacing a queen... Maz Wendy wrote: Deb: My husband and I have 2 hobby hives for honey for our own use. I've tried and tried to find information supporting not medicating them and not feeding them sugar water but all of the beekeepers say there are no bees in Canada that are strong enough anymore and that it must be done. I told my husband about Juliette Levy and how she says in her old herbal books over the years says that they should NOT be medicated at all and that they should be fed their own honey rather then the sugar water. He argues that it is now 2006 and things have changed. I asked my husband what would happen if we didn't medicate and he said we could jeopardize other beekeepers hives in the area, the wild bees too if ours got infected, plus you would lose all the bees. What is one to do??? I wonder if bowls of CS were placed near the hives would they 'drink' it?? Could it make them stronger to resist mites? Could you soak the hives in silver or spray them down??? Any thoughts? Musing. Wendy > Problems with tracheal mites as well as other diseases can certainly be > seen as symptoms of a weakened constitution, the same sort of holistic > perspective we apply to human illnesses. In fact some observers of > commercial beekeeping practices predicted as early as the 1920s the demise > of honeybees that has occurred in the last 15 years. All bees, including > wild ones, have most definitely been affected by big Ag. with it's > pesticides and the overall degradation of their environment. Its likely > that the phenomenon of swarming has gradually affected wild bee genetics > as well. By the time mites showed up, the bees were already struggling > and thus less able to develop defenses. Of course, conventional > beekeeping as taught at the agricultural extension services virtually > refuses to recognize environmental sources of harm, much less that any of > the methods they promote might be detrimental. > DByron > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > List maintaine
RE: CS>Silver in newborn eyes
Thanks for all the info. We just went to the midwives today and they use
erythromycin, not siver nitrate. They were under the impression that the
hospitals do not use silver nitrate.
They are offering my daughter the option of eye treatment, Vitamin K (oral),
and GBS testing - which is I think a strep germ that is found in culture in
mothers, then rarely causing infection in newborns, but can be very serious if
it infects. I had not heard of GBS. They say if a mother is in the hospital
and tests positive with a culture prior to delivery, they will put her on IV
antibiotics and may go right to a c-section! Her midwives are cool and believe
that it is another case of fear mongering for profit, though the rare case can
be deadly. But they say that there should be signs of infection - elevated
blood counts, fever, etc.
Also metioned "Prophylaxis cannot prevent all possible eye infections such as
herpes simplex virus, Group B streptococcus or hemophilus influenzae."
So the question becomes; doesn't EIS Silver kill these pathogens? Would it be
smart to use this instead of an antibiotic that "may" help, or a silver
compound in an ointment form. Of course since she has a choice I would cousel
nothing at all unless there is a reason (lab, or symptoms) to indicate
something was needed.
Thanks for the input, most helpful. I delivered my 3 children myself
unassisted in a log cabin on an island in the WA State SanJuan Islands.
Fearless, but fairly well informed. These details are long gone, but the peak
experience has never been matched. They are all healthy, though the last one
was a bit more intense.
Maz
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My first child was given silver nitrate after birth which is caustic.
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CS>Silver in newborn eyes
Is it still the protocol to put a silver compound in newborn baby's eyes? I was mildly surprised to hear my daughter has been offered this as an option from her midwife. I knew this was done for the possibility of syphilis caused blindness previously, but still, with the ability to test for these things? Is it a silver nitrate compound? They also offer a Vitamin K pill or tab - what is up with that? Wave - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.
Re: CS>O3 & H2O2
I would not have thought the antibiotics and EIS would counteract each other either. But Marshall, and all, I did not consider EIS to be an effective anti-yeast agent, and quite possibly encourage yeast infection by the same action as conventional anti-biotics. Although I thought the general thinking - in these parts - is that the EIS simply gets absorbed prior to entering the lower gut and so has neither a positive or negative effect in that domain. Marshall Dudley wrote: Terry Chamberlin wrote: > JBB said, > "Thanks for this. I have had varying reports about > "ozonated water" but am still not clear about the > benefits or potential detriments. I think Terry > Chamberlin at one time indicated having some knowledge > about this topic. ." > > All that I have read, including the ebook by Dr. > Douglass, seems inconclusive to me about the issue of > one or the other (H2O2 or ozonated water) producing > free radicals (oxidizing agents) in the body. > > If one needed the benefits of oxytherapy but was > concerned about this, it might be prudent to include > significant quantities of anti-oxidant supplements > (selenium, Vit C, Vit E, etc.) in their diets while > utilizing any oxytherapy. > > The amazing reports of success and benefits from the > use of both ozonated water and H2O2 make it a resource > not to be dismissed. > > I have twice had to take antibiotics because of a > tooth infection that I waited too long to treat with > alternative therapies. During antibiotic use, I > discontinued ingesting CS so as to not counteract the > antibiotics. Why would they counteract each other? I happen to have an infected tooth root right now, and am taking EIS, penecillian, olive leaf extract and magnetic pulsing it. After 3 days it is only slightly sensitive now. I definitely will continue the EIS to prevent a yeast flare-up, which I get if I take an antibiotic withoug the EIS. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
CS>Flu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C
Do most of you folk NOT take the flu vaccine due to your healthy distrust of poison in the needles, or the more positive take that Silver and other methods will protect? I am interested in the various points of view. I myself have always distrusted vaccines, but evaluate continually i.e. I have Hep C. It is strongly recommended to get the antibodies to Hep A and B because a case of either could sink the liver. So I tried the Hep A and B series and my body did not make the antibodies. So now I am retaking the shots, but by a "travel dr" or immunologist, who uses a subdermal (as opposed to intermuscular) technique that may help stimulate the antibodies. I generally would rather not, but the risk scenario seemed OK...but then again, I do not know that much about this situation. Does anyone know what a neg response to the Hep A and B vaccines means? The Dr's just shrug, but state that the response rate normally is in the 99% range (have heard different). I still make my silver and loyally take it as one of the tools to keep me healthy. (I am sure my quality and potency could be better) But my viral loads have remained steady, much to my dismay. I would love, obviously, a total clearance. Any new info on Hep C approaches? I haven't asked here in a while. The good news is that my liver is pretty healthy (never abused to a great degree and protect w Milk Thistle), and recent tests show normal liver enzymes for the first time in a decade. So I have this sense that I am holding strong, but the virus remains in an immune system sensitive state. As such, I feel vulnerable to a twist of fate that would lead to a viral explosion. Thanks for any and all considered responses. Maz - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
Re: CS>Multimeter usefulness
You guys are great as usual, thank you. So I was after a simple way to measure or estimate or even compare my end result. Previously I was holding the electrodes the same distance apart and placing them in the brew getting a reading of ohms to help decide the brew readiness. I would take from 20-50 ohms with a clear batch and a bit of fuzz forming to give it the thumbs up and consider it good and ready. Would measuring current be better (or both) for making that kind of crude determination? --- Ode Coyote wrote: > > So long as the elecrodes are always the same size > and distance apart and > parallel, an ammeter will get repeatability between > batches. > Deduct starting current [highly variable depending > on water quality] from > desired ending current. > That alone won't say much about what the PPM is, > just that it's nearly the > same from batch to batch. > Ode > > At 07:37 PM 7/1/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > > >How useful is a multimeter in relation to the > silver > >concentration? For ex. a cheap yellow one? I have > >been checking in on this great list as long as I > have > >been making and using the Silver Brew and do not > >recall seeing this addressed directly. It seems > >obvious that it has, so forgive the redundancy if > so. > > > >I should have inquired long ago as I have been > using > >one since I started making my own a couple of years > >ago, and use it with time, solution color, > electrode > >fuzziness, laser pointer light, and the state of my > >active inventory, along with intuition, stages of > the > >moon, and reading my tea leaves in urine. So you > see > >I have such a wide array of inaccurate measures I > >assume that the sum or average of these absolutely > >obligates perfection. > > > > > > > >--- Tad Winiecki wrote: > > > >> ---Max Sanders wrote--- > >> > > >> >I have 2 daughters in Costa Rica (tropics) and > one > >> >especially is prone to these infections. Does > >> anyone > >> >have a suggestion for a cranberry substitute > that > >> may > >> >be available in Costa Rica/tropics? They have > CS > >> in > >> >limited quantity and use it as well as GSE. > >> > > >> >Maz > >> > >> Here is a list of herbs for Cystitis from > >> "Energetics of Western Herbs", > >> Peter Holmes- > >> Agrimony > >> Bearberry > >> Birch > >> Blackberry > >> Caraway seed > >> Celery seed > >> Chicory > >> Cleavers > >> Grapevine > >> Lavender oil > >> Meadowsweet > >> Melilot > >> Mint > >> Parsley seed > >> Pasque flower > >> Pipsissewa > >> Ribwort plantain > >> Rosemary > >> Sarsaparilla > >> Shepherd's purse > >> Thyme oil > >> Veronica > >> Wood Betony > >> > >> Also a formula for Kidney Cleanse Detox Tea- > >> > >> In blender put equal amounts of: > >> > >> Ground Juniper berries > >> Cornsilk > >> Uva Ursi leaves > >> Parsley root and leaf > >> Carrot tops > >> Dandelion leaf > >> Horsetail herbs > >> Goldenrod flower tops > >> Orange peel > >> Peppermint leaf > >> Hydrangea root > >> Gravel root > >> Marshmallow root > >> > >> Blend and use to make detox tea. > >> > >> Store in glass jar out of light. > >> > >> Dosage: > >> 2 cups of the tea consumed 15 minutes after doing > >> your Liver/Gall > >> Bladder Flush. It can also be drunk at any other > >> time during the day, as > >> many cups as desired. > >> Put 1 tablespoon (medium) or 2 tablespoons > (strong) > >> of this tea into 20 > >> ounces of distilled water. Be sure to use only > >> stainless steel or glass > >> cookware. Let the tea sit in the water overnight. > In > >> the morning heat up > >> to a boil, reduce heat and let simmer for 15 > >> minutes. Strain the herbs, > >> do not discard them, let cool a bit but use hot. > Put > >> the used herbs back > >> into the pot, add 1 tablespoon of fresh herbs and > 20 > >> ounces of pure > >> water. Let sit overnight and repeat whole process > >> again. Keep adding new > >> herbs to old ones for three days, then discard > all > &g
Re: CS>Multimeter usefulness
Mathew, you are sure cranking up my question a few notches. What do you think of using the basic multimeter for a measure of quality? I'd be very interested in your considered opinion. And perhaps some of us could gain some general guidance from the technical study. It appears as though there are other considerations possible in this discussion. To give you an idea of how basic and simple I need it to use (or not) as a tool in measuring my brew, I ask you - Isn't Ohm the inverse of siemen or microsiemens? Maz --- Matthew McCann wrote: > The use of a multimeter raises a long-standing > issue. > > Matthew > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Multimeter usefulness
How useful is a multimeter in relation to the silver concentration? For ex. a cheap yellow one? I have been checking in on this great list as long as I have been making and using the Silver Brew and do not recall seeing this addressed directly. It seems obvious that it has, so forgive the redundancy if so. I should have inquired long ago as I have been using one since I started making my own a couple of years ago, and use it with time, solution color, electrode fuzziness, laser pointer light, and the state of my active inventory, along with intuition, stages of the moon, and reading my tea leaves in urine. So you see I have such a wide array of inaccurate measures I assume that the sum or average of these absolutely obligates perfection. --- Tad Winiecki wrote: > ---Max Sanders wrote--- > > > >I have 2 daughters in Costa Rica (tropics) and one > >especially is prone to these infections. Does > anyone > >have a suggestion for a cranberry substitute that > may > >be available in Costa Rica/tropics? They have CS > in > >limited quantity and use it as well as GSE. > > > >Maz > > Here is a list of herbs for Cystitis from > "Energetics of Western Herbs", > Peter Holmes- > Agrimony > Bearberry > Birch > Blackberry > Caraway seed > Celery seed > Chicory > Cleavers > Grapevine > Lavender oil > Meadowsweet > Melilot > Mint > Parsley seed > Pasque flower > Pipsissewa > Ribwort plantain > Rosemary > Sarsaparilla > Shepherd's purse > Thyme oil > Veronica > Wood Betony > > Also a formula for Kidney Cleanse Detox Tea- > > In blender put equal amounts of: > > Ground Juniper berries > Cornsilk > Uva Ursi leaves > Parsley root and leaf > Carrot tops > Dandelion leaf > Horsetail herbs > Goldenrod flower tops > Orange peel > Peppermint leaf > Hydrangea root > Gravel root > Marshmallow root > > Blend and use to make detox tea. > > Store in glass jar out of light. > > Dosage: > 2 cups of the tea consumed 15 minutes after doing > your Liver/Gall > Bladder Flush. It can also be drunk at any other > time during the day, as > many cups as desired. > Put 1 tablespoon (medium) or 2 tablespoons (strong) > of this tea into 20 > ounces of distilled water. Be sure to use only > stainless steel or glass > cookware. Let the tea sit in the water overnight. In > the morning heat up > to a boil, reduce heat and let simmer for 15 > minutes. Strain the herbs, > do not discard them, let cool a bit but use hot. Put > the used herbs back > into the pot, add 1 tablespoon of fresh herbs and 20 > ounces of pure > water. Let sit overnight and repeat whole process > again. Keep adding new > herbs to old ones for three days, then discard all > herbs and start over. > > Hope this helps,I don't know if they are available > in Costa Rica, there > would be a similar list of tropical plants that > would work. Nancy > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing > Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: > silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: > http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
Re: CS>cyctitis
I have 2 daughters in Costa Rica (tropics) and one especially is prone to these infections. Does anyone have a suggestion for a cranberry substitute that may be available in Costa Rica/tropics? They have CS in limited quantity and use it as well as GSE. Maz --- Marshall Dudley wrote: > I would use lots of CS plus cranberry juice or the > extract orally. Take > Azo Standard as well, you may have to ask your > pharmacist for it. Back > flush the bladder and uretha using a baby nose > sucker with CS and > cranberry juice. > > Marshall > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
As opposed to self induced hypno trance psycho consiratorial manifesto doctrine anti-doctrine trash that is EASY reading with no thought accepted, I for one like the on topic (and interesting off topic too) tech talk. Would rather risk learning something. Matter of fact I still enjoy learning things. So I say lay it on...and perhaps an occassional explanatory summary would be nice. It was the original and still best use of the net. This site is a good example of such. I like the mix. Maz --- Yogiboy wrote: > Thanks Mike, I was gonna say..phew! :-) > > -Original Message- > From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:05 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? > > Hi gang, > > I wonder if the Ionic vs. Colloidal debate has had > enough time now to > begin to reach some consensus? > > Could maybe Trem, Marshall and/or Frank summarize > what has been agreed > to, learned, proven, disproven, or marked for futher > study as a result > of all this voluminous verbiage? > > It seems to have been a fruitful discussion, but we > need to be > sensitive to the fact that newcomers are not going > to be able to get > very much from such detailed information. If the > topic continued much > longer we'd start to lose people from confusion and > boredom. > > Again, I'm not demanding a hard and fast cut-off, > but am suggesting > that we may be ready for a summary? > > Thank you folks, > > Mike Devour > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing > Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: > silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: > http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
Re: CS>Re:RE: CS>'lectricity
These are great - I love the sense of humor. The puns were fantastic, supernumerary richter level laughs. But now, issues of weight, the off topic subject matter - matter. Perhaps you have seen the bumper sticker that seeks to address these matters with little or no apparent mass, depending on who and when you ask. "How's Your Subatomic Love Life? Wave if it Matters!" --- William Amos wrote: > Best explanation yet ! Can't top that one.Still > laughing > What a great bunch..Bill > -- > My dear Holmes, > Ask the wire end a simple yes/no question. > When it answers, ask "Are you positive?". > > That should do it! > Chuck > Photons have mass? I didn't even know they were > Catholic. > > > On 2/23/2005 1:54:58 AM, silver-list@eskimo.com > wrote: > > So, how do I identify the negative end of my wire? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Dan Nave > [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:24 AM > > > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Subject: > > CS>'lectricity > > > > >I have a piece of wire. Which end should I put > the 'lectricity > > into? > > > > > > > > > > > > My son, > > > > > > > > It depends on whether you subscribe to the hole > flow or the electron > > > > flow theory of electricity. In other words, > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.3.0 - Release > Date: 2/21/2005 > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing > Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: > silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: > http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
CS>Silver lining and silver production
Well, Mike, steady at the helm. I checked in a few weeks ago, and actually posed a theory a month or so ago related to silver treatment and inflammation, and got a snapshot of the interesting evo/devolution of the silver-list. I really only wish to make a quick observation that I see has yet been made by others - and then a real silver question. My first is a retrospective and highly deserved compliment and thanks. A year ago and better I got very useful info re silver production and my personal hep c quandary. I started producing silver. I kept checking back, mostly silently for the sheer quality of the discussion - primarily the subject was silver with a healthy balance of science and experience in other areas. The tone however was distinguished - respectful, humble, and smart with a great collection of contributers - some of which I understood! And I appreciated being challenged with the science. Much of which was valuable to me and others. And recognized as such. I do not need soapbox politics or the "I am smarter than you" routine, wherein the great expanse of "what I know, ain't it something" stuff spouts. That is common and quite undistinguished. I suppose as Mike has just stated that much of what is known re the topic at hand has been said if so, and this is what is left than I hope for better days. I personally have shut off the silver-list email delivery, but keep the link close at hand. Now, I do actually have a question, a solid and perhaps easy question if there are any silver specialists here. How can I turn my CS-300 silver maker which is not current regulated into a current regulated machine? I have been using a lab magnetic stirrer and an X10 regulator to lower the current myself, but I want to ramp up production instead of going slow for smaller particle silver product. Also, I am using the Canadian silver coin for electrode and would like a good suggestion for flattening it out into a decent shape without contaminating. radishes, Maz __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>auto-immune disease
Agreed, one of the observations that these folks make is that this idea has been ignored for a long time precisely for that reason, i.e. there isn't much of a financial incentive for the studies and promotion by the drug companies and those doctors that also benefit. The tetracycline type drugs that are recomended are nothigh profit. If siver works, all the more reason for conventional med to ignore it. I think you are generalizing a bit much here Wayne. There are actually both conventional and alt practitioners who are sincere, not motivated by self interest, and that may disagree! If faced with any under-understood disease you would, I think, open your mind and look hard at all possibilities - I am. Specifically, with regard to the sunlight/vitamin D hypersensitivity, I cannot be sure of the biology or diagnosis. I do not however find it implausible, much less an intentional lie. I have experienced the connection. I am not given to suggestibilty as much as most. I will review the Raymond Francis "defining" work on "disease". --- Wayne Fugitt wrote: > Evening Max, > > > I am going to borrow from some online sources > >pertaining to auto-immune diseases, as follows: > > Just because you find an on line source that > appears to be "Right on > Target", be aware that a large percent of the > information is the result of > biased studies that were funded by drug companies or > done by doctors and > scientists that have been bought and bribed by them. > > Anyone can spend an enormous amount of studying > and still be as ill > informed as the general public who knows nothing but > mainstream > information. Most of this information is 100% dead > wrong. > > > >"...patients' skin may generate 20 times the amount > of > >D metabolites as healthy folks, since the bacteria > >live in the keratinocytes (cells of the skin) and > make > >them hyper-active. Too much Vit D can even be > >manufactured in twilight or at extreme latitudes." > This sounds like propaganda, lies, and even > worse, intentional > misinformation. > If a person is this sensitive to sunlight, rest > assured his days are > numbered upon the earth. > > He must be a cave dweller and certainly best stay > in the cave. > > The subject of this message, "auto-immune disease" > suggest that the person > has already been had by the mainstream > misinformation machine. > > No disease exist such as "auto immune" ! > > Recently I found the complete list of diseases that > are called > "Auto-Immune". These are simply the conditions > that cannot be > successfully treated by drugs, pills, and the > mainstream. This is a long > list of complex conditions that have been given a > bogus, non-descriptive > name. (for example, Fibromyalgia ) > > We had a discussion about this on another list. I > found support for my > belief. One doctor was quoted as saying, "Auto > Immune > means We don't have a clue" ! > > A committee exists that sits around thinking up > names for > conditions. They cannot be treated unless defined. > This make the > unsuspecting person think, "This genius doctor > knows what I have". > > If you want to find out about disease, read "Never > be sick again" by > Raymond Francis. > > Wayne > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing > Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: > silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: > http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: CS>Fwd: CS>auto-immune disease
Dudley, I haven't seen a claim that Hep C and sunshine/vitamin D are connected, though I certainly wonder. I am going to borrow from some online sources pertaining to auto-immune diseases, as follows: "These CWD (cell wall deficient) bacteria have learned to live inside the actual macrophages (phagocytes) of the immune system. These CWD bacteria fail to be destroyed by the very cells (phagocytes) which are supposed to kill them, as they have learnt to live in the caustic 'cytokine soup' inside a granuloma. The control of 1,25-D (which regulates the "hospitality" your immune system extends to these bugs) is the area of genetic predisposition..." "...patients' skin may generate 20 times the amount of D metabolites as healthy folks, since the bacteria live in the keratinocytes (cells of the skin) and make them hyper-active. Too much Vit D can even be manufactured in twilight or at extreme latitudes." "The mechanism of action of the bugs is to actually create the hyper-immune response..." This is a simplified overview of the full paper "The Angiotensin Hypothesis - how sunlight fuels the run-away inflammation of Sarcoidosis". Always refer to the full paper to resolve any points of confusion http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15246025 Many chronic diseases once believed to be non-infectious are now thought to be caused by viruses, bacteria, or by tiny mycoplasma-like organisms which have characteristics of both bacteria and viruses. Even certain forms of cancer are now considered infectious. Since I have experienced related symptoms and a sensitivity to the sun - these theories are very interesting to me. I am still wondering if the part of treatment that involves reducing inflamation would work in conjunction with Silver, rather than or in conjunction with antibiotics. Since I have just begun Benicar (and fell so much better) I am hoping the siver I already take will now have access to the offending microbes - whoever they may be. -- Dudley Delany wrote: > > Hi! > > For hep C, what is the relation between symptoms and > vitamin D/sunshine? > > All the best, > > Dudley > > > http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Fwd: CS>auto-immune disease
I haven't been diagnosed w/ Lyme, but suppose it could be. I was diagnosed w/ the Hep C in 97. Then, when I had good access to medical (insurance) I declined the interferon treatment. Since then I have less access, and have been treating myself w/ the silver and st John's Wort, and Milk Thistle, among other things. My liver enzymes have practically normalized, which I attribute to the milk Thistle, while the viral count has stayed in the middle level - between low/high. I believe the silver to be helpful, and would like to imprve my production and the amount I take. The recent severe onset of Raynauds was wierd for one thing (although I have had other milder episodes prior that I chaulked up to unusual), and provoked a discussion w/my doc, and intensive research on my part. That's what led me to the anti-biotic treatment of auto-immune (which is associated w/raynauds and joint pain). I haven't tried doxycyline or any antibiotic at this point. Isn't doxy related to teracycline? --- Dave Lewis wrote: > Max, have you considered it could be Lyme? > Have you ever had doxycycline? > > Dave. > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Fwd: CS>auto-immune disease
Putting this post back out there hoping to get a bite/comment or two. Any takers? --- Max Sanders wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:21:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Max Sanders > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>auto-immune disease > > Greetings. I've posted prior re Hep C and have been > taking my homemade silver for awhile, but haven't > reached the pinnacle of health. I have experienced > times of marked improvement though. Recently I have > symptoms that led me to research auto-immune disease > ( severe raynauds, joint pain/inflammation, > headaches) and came across the > Antibiotic/anti-inflammatory meds treatment. > Specifically it looks like they suggest tetracycline > type antibiotics and Benicar (a hypertensive) for > the inflammation, which is supposedly protecting the > offending micro-organisms from immune activity, and > worse, inflicting great amounts of inflammatory > agents. > > That's my quick and dirty understanding, but I am > excited at the prospect because my symptoms were > very debilitating (the raynauds and fatigue) and saw > no prospect of a treatment - from alt med or the MD. > The clincher that caught my attention was the > connection between vit D/sunshine exposure, and > symptoms. Also, I managed a prescription of Benicar, > and noticed an immediate and profound cessation of > pain symptoms. > > So, please kind folk, any feedback? I specifically > wonder if the silver will now have access to the > microorganisms that are supposedly hiding out in the > granulomas. Since I have started the Benicar and > not the antibiotic I may notice a herx reaction if > that is true. > > > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>auto-immune disease
Greetings. I've posted prior re Hep C and have been taking my homemade silver for awhile, but haven't reached the pinnacle of health. I have experienced times of marked improvement though. Recently I have symptoms that led me to research auto-immune disease ( severe raynauds, joint pain/inflammation, headaches) and came across the Antibiotic/anti-inflammatory meds treatment. Specifically it looks like they suggest tetracycline type antibiotics and Benicar (a hypertensive) for the inflammation, which is supposedly protecting the offending micro-organisms from immune activity, and worse, inflicting great amounts of inflammatory agents. That's my quick and dirty understanding, but I am excited at the prospect because my symptoms were very debilitating (the raynauds and fatigue) and saw no prospect of a treatment - from alt med or the MD. The clincher that caught my attention was the connection between vit D/sunshine exposure, and symptoms. Also, I managed a prescription of Benicar, and noticed an immediate and profound cessation of pain symptoms. So, please kind folk, any feedback? I specifically wonder if the silver will now have access to the microorganisms that are supposedly hiding out in the granulomas. Since I have started the Benicar and not the antibiotic I may notice a herx reaction if that is true. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out!
