RE: CS>Testing CS

[TREM]

Hello Gary,

 

The generators will sometimes not shut off on the HIGH setting because the 
water will not accept any more ions and it keeps turning them into colloids 
which are not conductive.

Just turn the dial down until it shuts off and that’s the maximum setting for 
the water you’re using.  Usually around 2-3 O:clock will be about right.

 

I hope this helps you.

 

Best regards,

 

Trem Williams

customer_serv...@silvergen.com

www.silvergen.com

 

 

 

 

From: Gary Hilt [mailto:sobertogod1n...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:42 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Testing CS

 

Hello Trem:

My silvergen will not shut offf after 3-4 hours using good ph distilled water. 
An suggestions. ThankYou

 

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:52 PM, TREM  wrote:

Alan,

The HI98308 is the PWT and it measures directly in PPM from .1 to 99.9 PPM
TDS meters read in whole numbers and only read about 1/2 the silver so you
double their readings.

Trem

-Original Message-
From: Alan Faulkner [mailto:ala...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:36 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Testing CS

I have a Hanna 98308 TDS meter. Is it accurate for testing CS PPM?

Alan


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RE: CS>New Generator choice of three?

[TREM]

It pumps dust and nitrogen through the water.

The preferred method is mechanical stirring.

 

Trem

 

From: jmharringto...@yahoo.com [mailto:jmharringto...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 12:56 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>New Generator choice of three?

 



Curious as to why a bubbler is considered bad?
A lot of people use this method.
Please and thank you.
Kind regards,
Michele
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From: V ; 
To: ; 
Subject: Re: CS>New Generator choice of three? 
Sent: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 7:05:07 PM 

 


I am interested in a new machine also as mine doesn't have a stir method
and seems a bit fragile. I also would like to know if any lend themselves
easily to using silver coins instead of silver wire. I bought two .999
percent silver and hope to use them. Thanks!

 

 

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Top Dog  > wrote:

Hi all,

New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and
I found this list through one of the forums.  There are certainly some
confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators
of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am
looking for opinions on which to go with.

My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but
if feasible then a gallon would be great.  I'm looking for something that
won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as
reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and
can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer.  Also
must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a
bubbler is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy.  My budget is $350-$400

It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read
and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my
specifications then please let me know.

The units are:

1.  Silver Puppy:   Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit
and it certainly has a good price point.  Trying to find out more info on
how long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might
have missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those
answers.  Seems like it has been reliable for people.  Not sure on the
magnetic stirrer unit as I am not sure of its longevity.  May just pick a
used lab unit up somewhere.

2.  Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto:  Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this
unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 

3.  Silver Lungs:  Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the
commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability.  I do like the
bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a
while.  Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used.
Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference
although it sounds plausible.  This unit is high on my list but it does
show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a
supply problem or just that popular.

All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something
else pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines
if they have used them before or know more about their differences to make
me have a decision either way.

Thanks for everyone's help.

-Bob

 

RE: CS>Testing CS

[TREM]

Alan,

The HI98308 is the PWT and it measures directly in PPM from .1 to 99.9 PPM
TDS meters read in whole numbers and only read about 1/2 the silver so you
double their readings.

Trem

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From: Alan Faulkner [mailto:ala...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:36 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Testing CS

I have a Hanna 98308 TDS meter. Is it accurate for testing CS PPM?

Alan


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RE: CS>Water distilling...

[TREM]

Hi,

I have this on our site on the links page.
www.silvergen.com

Trem


How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity,
high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water.

1.Remove the carbon discharge filter.  It makes the water conductive.

2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full.

3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber.

5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4.  You now have one gallon in the receiver.

6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber.

7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

You now have what is called double distilled water.

Allow to cool and try to use it.  It should measure less than 1 microsiemen
using a PWT meter..



-Original Message-
From: M.G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 11:21 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Water distilling...

Hi gang!

Yep, if'n y'all don't have anything to say, the list gets awful quiet these
days.

Sarah: I don't distill my own water, but others here do. They can recommend
brands for a home distiller and Sol, if I remember right, has thoroughly
wrangled the methods down to a science. Chime in folks!

Be well,

Mike D.

On Fri, 2014-04-18 at 10:47 -0500, Sarah Miller wrote:
> Mike, do you distill your own water?  I am interested in learning how.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:28 AM,  wrote:
> M.G Devour,
> I am testing to see if I am still connected to c/s.  In the
> last few months I have lost Mercola, Dr. Dean and others.
> Please respond
> 
> 
> 
> From: M.G. Devour 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>boric acid,20 mule team etc.
> 
> 
> Jhon wrote:
> > This may be of interest from reading Brook's take on this in
> the 
> > past...YMMV
> > 
> > http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm
> 
> This is the web site where Walter Last's work is posted. I've
> gotten a
> LOT of good info from this site these last couple of years.
> Really good
> stuff in the main. A lot of it coordinates well with some of
> the things
> we've learned from Brooks.
> 
> I need to fabricate a couple of valve handles to get my water
> cooler
> functional again, but until they broke a couple of months ago
> I was
> regularly drinking distilled water with a Tablespoon of Borax
> in 5
> gallons. Drink a quart or two a day. Easy peasy. 
> 
> I expect it contributed at least in part to resolving the
> arthritis in
> my left shoulder and knee.
> 
> Be well!
> 
> Mike D.
> 
> 
> 
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RE: CS>snorting/inhaling

[TREM]

It is.  I believe it was discovered in Norway and extracted from Birch bark.  
Here's a little info.

Trem



Xylitol (/ˈzaɪlɪtɒl/; Greek: ξύλον, xyl[on], "wood" + suffix -itol, used to 
denote sugar alcohols), categorized as a polyalcohol or sugar alcohol 
(alditol), has applications in hygiene and nutraceutical formulations and 
products. Xylitol has the formula (CHOH)3(CH2OH)2 and is an achiral[2] isomer 
of pentane-1,2,3,4,5-pentol. Xylitol is used as a diabetic sweetener which is 
roughly as sweet as sucrose with 33% fewer calories. Unlike other natural or 
synthetic sweeteners, xylitol is actively beneficial for dental health by 
reducing caries to a third in regular use and helpful to remineralization.[3] 
Multiple studies utilizing electron microscopy have indicated that xylitol is 
effective in inducing remineralization of deeper layers of demineralized 
enamel.[4][5] Fair evidence was found that xylitol (as chewing gum, lozenges, 
etc.) reduced the incidence of acute middle ear infection in healthy 
children.[6]

Xylitol is naturally found in low concentrations in the fibers of many fruits 
and vegetables, and can be extracted from various berries, oats, and mushrooms, 
as well as fibrous material such as corn husks and sugar cane bagasse,[7][8] 
and birch.[9] However, industrial production starts from xylan (a 
hemicellulose) extracted from hardwoods[10] or corncobs, which is hydrolyzed 
into xylose and catalytically hydrogenated into xylitol. A study in rats found 
that xylitol had reduced or nonexistent side effects compared to other 
artificial sweeteners, and lower caloric value and cariogenicity than 
sucrose.[11]



-Original Message-
From: 123 456 [mailto:whiteol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:40 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>snorting/inhaling

Please tell  us a little more about  xilitol?
I thought it  was  a  sweetener?
Tara

On 2/22/14, Gene Wolfe  wrote:
> I just called Tel, and he is OK. He said he just got his computer back 
> up and I told him to send a message to the list. He said OK.
>
> Gene
>
> On 2/22/2014 4:44 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote:
>> Have you emailed Tel or telephoned him?  I hope he is okay.  He is a 
>> really good guy and knows his stuff.  Lola H.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Gary Hilt > <mailto:sobertogod1n...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know what happened to Tel. in Mexico made quailwood
>> products ive ordered 3 x no response he has an excellent nasal
>> spray stopped drainage ive had over 3 decades ?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 12:13 PM, TREM > <mailto:t...@silvergen.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> A little Xylitol added to the EIS stops any burning and it's
>> also an antiseptic on its own.
>>
>> Trem
>>
>> *From:*RoseOtto [mailto:roseottogro...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:roseottogro...@gmail.com>]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 22, 2014 8:59 AM
>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: CS>snorting/inhaling
>>
>> Hey Chicken Joe,
>>
>> Have you ever used a Neti pot? Once you do, you'll know
>> drowning is very unlikely.
>>
>> I would guess that the pH of your blend might feel irritating
>> to the sinus cavities.  I'd use way way less DMSO.  But I
>> don't.  I have a spray bottle of EIS that stays in the
>> bathroom...one quick spray up one nostril and a quick clench
>> on both with the non-sprayer hand.  A little bit goes down the
>> throat but... repeat in other nostril.  Once you're used to
>> it, in hale as you spray and it goes further into your sinuses.
>>
>> For lungs, I often put EIS +  a couple of drops of DMSO in the
>> bowl of my aromatherapy nebulizer and inhale thru' my mouth,
>> holding it in my lungs. Your airbrush will work beautifully
>> for this.
>>
>> Saralou
>>
>>
>> On 2/22/2014 9:44 AM, Joe Huard wrote:
>>
>> Hi list,
>> I have some homemade CS/EIS that I have added 10% DMSO to.
>> I was going to try to short it for my sinuses, or inhale
>> it to get it in my lungs for colds. However, I am not
>> doing it because I am not sure that it is safe ie drowning.
>> I have the Brooks Bradley protocol setup here with a
>> Harbor Freight Air Brush Kit and an oxygen tank with 2
>> types of regulators 

RE: CS>Fw: Chicago Tribune

[TREM]

Hi all,

Like Jason I'm also one that doesn't post much but think this link on our
site will help clear the air about how silver works.  Go down the page to
IONIZED SILVER and you'll see that ONLY silver ions are antimicrobial.
Particulate silver (colloid) releases ions when in contact with moisture
but I suppose most of it is excreted before releasing all of the ions that
make it a particle.
http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Silver_as_an_Antimicrobial_Agent#Me
chanism_of_action

So with that in mind you can see why it's good to swish before swallowing
and get some of the ions directly into the bloodstream even though the rest
of it will get there eventually in one form or another.

Trem


-Original Message-
From: Jason [mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org] 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:33 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Fw: Chicago Tribune

Greetings,

I actually coined the term EIS after extensive study of Dr. George Maass,
and conversions with Stephen Quinto (founder of Natural Immunogenics).  I
also wanted to find a term that applied to laser produced nano silver.
This was done in 2000-2001.

One of the reasons some of the "classic" researchers left this list is
demonstrated point and case in conversations like this.  No matter how much
people like Ivan tried to share their knowledge, ignorance with a loud
voice always came in to cause chaos.

A whole slew of brilliant people left when Frances Key fooled people into
believing that silver particles were more effective than silver ions, and
that silver ions had little value.  Frances did it for commercial reasons
only, and his mentor did not agree.  Once Frances succeeded, he simply left
the list, as his motivation was commercial from the  onset, and not to be a
part of a community actually exploring the potentials of both ionic silver
and particulate silver.

I rarely post here, and often shake my head at some of the assumptions
made.  There are lists that are far more civil and more open to actual
experience and research.  I only stick around in case there are still those
out there that are interested in what really happened, where these terms
came from, and how CS production evolved, and, of course, where it stands
today.

Here is the actual meaning of the term:

http://www.silvermedicine.org/about-silver.html

It doesn't matter how the silver formulation is produced.  It can be done
chemically, like Silver Colloids, with lasers, or with LVDC or HVAC,
although most HVDC silver has too much nitrogen to qualify, unless it is
made the way Ivan made it.

In particular the term distinguished itself from silver citrates, strong
silver protein, and mild silver protein.

The term was also designed to separate EIS products from home brews that
use either baking soda as a catalyst or salt as a catalyst.

Splitting hairs about what qualifies as a colloidal suspension is
academician snobbery.  If there is particulate silver in suspension with a
zeta potential, a colloid exists, regardless of the ionic silver content
present as well, or how low the percentage of particulate PPM.

I had a great phone conversation last year with Peter Lindemann.  Most of
the early brilliant researchers used, and still use, the low voltage method
of production, so I don't know where you get your information about the
"classics" not using LVDC.  Peter experimented with (and still does,
apparently) incredibly low voltage brews that take extended periods of time
to finish.

The man who broke the mold was Ole' Bob.  His experimentation with high
voltage colloidal silver, and his charts and plots and reams of data was
very interesting.  He didn't know he was creating nano shards of silver
along with silver nitrate.  The silver particles looked like fused
fractals.  Last I heard, Ole Bob was going to adopt Ivan's system of
sealing the production system and flushing the air out with Argon gas, but
I don't know if he ever got around to doing so.

Luckily, we still have Trem and Ole Coyote units being sold and used
extensively, as they can make great silver safely, effectively, and with
very little "know how".

Although I've built many generators myself, I still use a modified
Silvergen SG7.

Kind Regards,

Jason


On 2/23/2014 4:28 AM, roni...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> The term electrically isolated (isolated from what?) silver (EIS) is 
> vague and ambiguous and really doesn't have a scientific meaning.
> It could however have a meaning of one that uses too high of a current 
> rectifier value and creates particulate size to heavy to stay in 
> suspension of a fluid with respect to it's surface tension, falls to 
> the bottom of the vessel, thus "isolated".
> The term EIS apparently was coined by companies to make home-brewers 
> think that their product was inferior to theirs, and fool them into 
> buying it.
> I hate to disap

RE: CS>snorting/inhaling

[TREM]

Hi everyone,

 

A little Xylitol added to the EIS stops any burning and it's also an
antiseptic on its own.

 

Trem

 

 

 

From: RoseOtto [mailto:roseottogro...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 8:59 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>snorting/inhaling

 

Hey Chicken Joe,

Have you ever used a Neti pot? Once you do, you'll know drowning is very
unlikely.  

I would guess that the pH of your blend might feel irritating to the sinus
cavities.  I'd use way way less DMSO.  But I don't.  I have a spray bottle
of EIS that  stays in the bathroom...one quick spray up one nostril and a
quick clench on both with the non-sprayer hand.  A little bit goes down the
throat but... repeat in other nostril.  Once you're used to it, in hale as
you spray and it goes further into your sinuses.

For lungs, I often put EIS +  a couple of drops of DMSO in the bowl of my
aromatherapy nebulizer and inhale thru' my mouth, holding it in my lungs.
Your airbrush will work beautifully for this.

Saralou




On 2/22/2014 9:44 AM, Joe Huard wrote:

Hi list, 
I have some homemade CS/EIS that I have added 10% DMSO to. I was going to
try to short it for my sinuses, or inhale it to get it in my lungs for
colds. However, I am not doing it because I am not sure that it is safe ie
drowning. 
I have the Brooks Bradley protocol setup here with a Harbor Freight Air
Brush Kit and an oxygen tank with 2 types of regulators available. One is a
regular welding regulator that regulates pressure, and the other regulates
flow. 
I think of doing this protocol every day for my slight head cold. I have
occasional sneezing. No coughing or any other symptoms. 
Just call me chicken. :-( 

Joe H. 

 

RE: CS>Where to buy generator

[TREM]

Avoid bubblers.  Bad practice to use one.  It introduces nitrogen and dust.

 

Trem

 

 

From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:07 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Where to buy generator

 

Can the group advise where to buy a generator with a built in bubbler. I
found one for over $200.00 thought that was too steep. Got a friend in the
west coast really wanting to make her own...I trust your opinions here and
want her to get a good deal on something that is easy to use.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Debbie

CS>Aussie fires

[TREM]

Hey David.   AKA Alchemysa

Did you get smoked or burned out with the fires going on?  I hope you're OK.

 

Trem,

 

 

CS>Blue man dies

[TREM]

At least he didn't die of silver poisoning.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/25/man-with-completely-blue-skin-dies-
at-62/

RE: CS>Has anyone treated birds with CS?

[Trem]

Here's a good one.  My next door neighbor had a good size flock and they all
developed some malady that made their heads droop to one side or the other.
I gave her a couple of gallons of 25-30PPM to put in the waterers.  Within
several days they were all OK.

Trem


-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:37 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone treated birds with CS?

123 456 wrote:
> I have a pet chicken who has the sneezes.
>
> Only had birds for the past few years so never encountered any 
> sickness before this.
> Chickita is definitly not a happy little camper.
> I can't locate any antibiotics until Tues so I have to make do until then.
>
> Has anyone else ever treated birds before?
>
>   
I remember reading about a person who used CS in a nebulizer for a chicken.
Don't remember any details. We add CS in the bird baths outdoors all summer
long. So I know it is safe to add to bird drinking water. I sometimes also
use it to wipe down feeder ports and perches.
sol


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CS>HOW SILVER KILLS BACTERIA

[Trem]

Interesting enough to pass on.  I especially like the factoid that it makes
antibiotics up to 1000 times more effective.

 

Trem

 

 

http://www.bullionstreet.com/news/how-silver-kills-bacteria-finally-revealed
/5042

RE: CS>microelectricitygermkiller group

[Trem]

Excuse my ignorance.  What is O of O?

 

Trem

 

 

From: Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 8:01 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>microelectricitygermkiller group

 

I have used it many times and survived!

Marshall

On 10/27/2012 3:43 AM, Jane MacRoss wrote: 

NOTHING survives O of O

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From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick <mailto:d...@deetroy.org>  

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:22 PM

Subject: Re: CS>microelectricitygermkiller group

 

Also Oil of Oregano and Lemon Balm have said to have been successful..
Having tasted O of O I can say that I'm sure no shingles would ever survive
it! (lol) dee




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From: Shirley Reed 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:21:39 -0700 (PDT)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>microelectricitygermkiller group
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:21:39 -0700

  The group mentioned above has files that address the herpes and shingles
issues.  I think it will work for this and it is cheap and easy to try.
Also, geranium oil is said to quickly alleviate the pain of shingles.  I
have no personal experience with this oil for shingles.  Best wishes,  pj




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RE: CS>A question, please

[Trem]

Sorry, didn't know anyone besides the one mentioned that made a bubbler
unit.

Trem



-Original Message-
From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:13 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>A question, please



 No Brooks made it for me.  

On May 21, 2012, at 8:11 PM, "Trem"  wrote:

Shows that bubbling is poor practice.  Adds nitrogen to the water increasing
PPM readings.  Probably a Silver Edge unitright?

Trem



-Original Message-
From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>A question, please


I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling.  I asked
my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left.  Needless to say, he
forgot.  My TDS meter is registering 61.1.  My question is should I throw
this away.  I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12.  Any suggestions would be
appreciated.  Thank you.

B.

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RE: CS>A question, please

[Trem]

Shows that bubbling is poor practice.  Adds nitrogen to the water increasing
PPM readings.  Probably a Silver Edge unitright?

Trem



-Original Message-
From: Bernadette Burch [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>A question, please


I made CS today, but had to leave the house while it was bubbling.  I asked
my husband to turn it off about an hour after I left.  Needless to say, he
forgot.  My TDS meter is registering 61.1.  My question is should I throw
this away.  I drink my CS at a reading of 6 to 12.  Any suggestions would be
appreciated.  Thank you.

B.

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RE: CS>CS and Cancer

[Trem]

Dr. Robert O. Becker discovered it in 1973 in Vitro and published but the
info was not taken seriously.  We have lots' of anecdotal stories but don't
make much noise about it.  Low cost help isn't wanted.  Hurts bottom lines.

Trem



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From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 5:37 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS and Cancer

good site Trem.  dee



On 18 May 2012, at 01:10, Trem wrote:

> Check this out.
http://www.anh-usa.org/oldest-antibiotic-shows-promise-as-anti-cancer/
>  
> Trem
>  


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Re: SG-6 origins, was Re: CS>Interview on One Radio Network

[Trem]

I was surprised too but for years he has seemed to be a trumpet for them.  I 
just couldn't sit back and get knocked with as you said, his snarky comment.


Trem



- Original Message - 
From: "sol" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 9:05 AM
Subject: SG-6 origins, was Re: CS>Interview on One Radio Network



Trem,
 Thanks for setting the record straight. I have owned one of your SG-6 
generators for many years now, and have also looked at the site and info 
on the colloid master, and frankly, I could see nothing to indicate any 
confirmation of the "knockoff" claim.
  I've been reading Tel's posts on this list for many years as well, and 
was surprised to see him write such a snarky thing.

sol

Trem wrote:
Not to be argumentative Tel but Vince (Wishgranted) and I were having 
discussion about me designing a CS generator for him in 1998 and we never 
agreed on what the design would be or what the pay would be.  I tired of 
waiting for him to decide what he wanted so started SilverGen with my own 
design  If anyone made a knockoff it was him.  I was making current 
limited (constant current) generators LONG before he was.  So was Ken 
(Silver Puppy).  Enough said.

 Trem




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Re: CS>Interview on One Radio Network

[Trem]

Not to be argumentative Tel but Vince (Wishgranted) and I were having 
discussion about me designing a CS generator for him in 1998 and we never 
agreed on what the design would be or what the pay would be.  I tired of 
waiting for him to decide what he wanted so started SilverGen with my own 
design  If anyone made a knockoff it was him.  I was making current limited 
(constant current) generators LONG before he was.  So was Ken (Silver Puppy).  
Enough said.

Trem



  - Original Message - 
  From: Tel Tofflemire 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Cc: André Juthe 
  Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 3:07 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Interview on One Radio Network


  Dear Andre, sometimes that is what you get when you buy a knock-off.  It is 
sort of patterned after the famous Coloid Master = (wishgranted.com)

  Tel Tofflemire
  New Mexico USA

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  Subject: Re: CS>Interview on One Radio Network


  Hi dear friends of CS,

  I have just tried my SG6 from www.silvergen.com. I chose that one
  although it was expensive after reading a lot of about different
  generators and it always got positive reviews and positive comments.
  However, my first try was a bit disappointing. It took very long time
  do to it, and it it swims around silverflakes on the surface and
  bigger flakes lies at the bottom and I will have to filter it before
  use.  Since I have never done this before I do not really know what to
  expect. Is this the way it should be?

  Kind regards

  André


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Re: CS>Interview on One Radio Network

[Trem]

From our website.


Trem

How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high 
quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water.


1.Remove the carbon discharge filter.  It makes the water conductive.

2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full.

3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber.

5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4.  You now have one gallon in the receiver.

6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber.

7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

You now have what is called double distilled water.

Allow to cool and try to use it.  It should measure less than 1 microsiemen 
using a PWT meter..




- Original Message - 
From: "André Juthe" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Interview on One Radio Network



Ok, thanks for all the comments. I have two other questions:

(1) What is the simplest and cheapest way to distill water ) (buying
from a drugstore will be expensive in the long run)

(2) What is the best way to clean the silver wires between the brews ?
Should any substance be used?

/André

2012/2/25 jaxi :

Buy a new vessel to brew in. That makes a HUGE difference and bending the
wires could totally be the reason for what happened.

Jaxi


2012/2/25 André Juthe 


Thanks Asif for your response.

My distilled water was as good it can be since I bought it from
drugstore and I hade cleaned the vessel before use. However, I had to
bent the wires since the vessel was to shallow and they were more
than 1,5 inch apart at the end Perhaps that could be an explanation?



/Andre

2012/2/25 Asif Nathekar :
> Hi Andre,
>
> Here are some points :
>
> 1 ) Your brewing vessel should be very clean, and your silver should
> also be
> very clean, meaning no oils from fingers e.t.c.
>
> 2) Use a very very good distilled water, preferably double distilled, 
> I
> distill my own and single distill never ever works well. I have had 
> this

> advice from others too.
>
> 3) Use a good meter to check the quality of your water and also the 
> end
> result. the water distilled water shouldn't have a reading of more 
> than

> 1 us
> or ppm.
>
> 4 ) Always clean the electrodes between brews.
>
> 5 ) If all that fails, call someone at Silvergen, Trem has earned a 
> good

> reputation for a reason!..
>
> Give that a go and let us know.
>
> Good luck!.
>
> Peace to all,
>
> Asif.
>
> --
> From: "André Juthe" 
> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:54 PM
>
> To: 
> Subject: Re: CS>Interview on One Radio Network
>
>> Hi dear friends of CS,
>>
>> I have just tried my SG6 from www.silvergen.com. I chose that one
>> although it was expensive after reading a lot of about different
>> generators and it always got positive reviews and positive comments.
>> However, my first try was a bit disappointing. It took very long time
>> do to it, and it it swims around silverflakes on the surface and
>> bigger flakes lies at the bottom and I will have to filter it before
>> use. Since I have never done this before I do not really know what to
>> expect. Is this the way it should be?
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> André
>>
>>
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Re: CS>PPM vs uS

[Trem]

Ken,

Don't you mean the TDS meter halves the uS value of the solution?

Trem



- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: CS>PPM vs uS





  The minute power is removed from the electrodes, conductivity starts 
dropping and may drop as much as 50%
Once it has stopped dropping. then the uS number is about the same number 
as derived by a device that actually measures PPM.


A "PPM" [TDS] meter roughly doubles the uS value of the solution.

Beyond around 30 uS, PPM/TDC and EC meters become pretty much useless as 
more and more ions are forced to become non-conductive particulates in 
that super saturated media.


Ken


At 09:47 AM 1/12/2012 +, you wrote:

Hi,

I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a 
resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM.
I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading 
due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in 
terms in electrical conductance.

But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct.
What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS 
should I consider that to be.
I have so far been halving the value so  that I would have said that was 5 
ppm. This was from information I received from other posts.

Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me.
Cheers
Peace to all
Asif.



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Re: CS>PPM vs uS

[Trem]

Hanna does make TDS meters and they are identified as TDS.  The PWT meter is  
marked uS and also PWT

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:20 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>PPM vs uS


  Dumb question -- is the Hanna Tester a uS meter?
  MA




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  Subject: Re: CS>PPM vs uS


  Wrong D Glover!  uS meters are very close to spot on.  We had samples 
analyzed about ten years ago and made the correlation at that time and started 
telling about it.  We have been selling the PWT meters ever since for that 
purpose.

  TDS meters are not useful otfher than reading about half the PPM and not 
giving much info about the water purity.  They're the equivalent of litmus 
paper.  

  Trem



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From: D Glover 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: CS>PPM vs uS


Asif, don't waste your time with uS meters except for testing the purity of 
your water, as they were only designed for that purpose, and nothing more, they 
cannot in any way measure ionic content of silver sol or be used to infer any 
value for ppm of silver ions in a sol  through extrapolation by some 
mathematical means.  No matter how you play with maths you will not get a 
proper answer. Rather, standardize your method of manufacture (for some tips 
please see my essay on the manufacture of silver sols at Mothman777's Blog')
Make some 20 ml specimens and submit those to a professional lab 
(university labs are cheapest), they will dissolve all the clusters of ions 
into single ions with the addition of nitric acid, then a fine vapour of this 
is aspirated under pressure into an argon plasma flame at a high temperature 
and the colour of the spectrum will tell you accurately what you have made, but 
bear in mind that 10 ppm might all be in a small number of a few thousand 
clusters (for example) or might be in trillions of clusters.  

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Asif Nathekar  
wrote:

  Hi,

  I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a 
resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM.
  I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading 
due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms 
in electrical conductance.
  But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct.
  What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS 
should I consider that to be.
  I have so far been halving the value so  that I would have said that was 
5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts.
  Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me.
  Cheers
  Peace to all
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Re: CS>PPM vs uS

[Trem]

Wrong D Glover!  uS meters are very close to spot on.  We had samples analyzed 
about ten years ago and made the correlation at that time and started telling 
about it.  We have been selling the PWT meters ever since for that purpose.

TDS meters are not useful otfher than reading about half the PPM and not giving 
much info about the water purity.  They're the equivalent of litmus paper.  

Trem



  - Original Message - 
  From: D Glover 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:40 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>PPM vs uS


  Asif, don't waste your time with uS meters except for testing the purity of 
your water, as they were only designed for that purpose, and nothing more, they 
cannot in any way measure ionic content of silver sol or be used to infer any 
value for ppm of silver ions in a sol  through extrapolation by some 
mathematical means.  No matter how you play with maths you will not get a 
proper answer. Rather, standardize your method of manufacture (for some tips 
please see my essay on the manufacture of silver sols at Mothman777's Blog')
  Make some 20 ml specimens and submit those to a professional lab (university 
labs are cheapest), they will dissolve all the clusters of ions into single 
ions with the addition of nitric acid, then a fine vapour of this is aspirated 
under pressure into an argon plasma flame at a high temperature and the colour 
of the spectrum will tell you accurately what you have made, but bear in mind 
that 10 ppm might all be in a small number of a few thousand clusters (for 
example) or might be in trillions of clusters.  

  On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Asif Nathekar  
wrote:

Hi,

I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a 
resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM.
I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading 
due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms 
in electrical conductance.
But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct.
What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS 
should I consider that to be.
I have so far been halving the value so  that I would have said that was 5 
ppm. This was from information I received from other posts.
Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me.
Cheers
Peace to all
Asif.



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Re: CS>The Silvercell process?

[Trem]

Hi David,

Here's an email from me to the list on 9/20/2011.  It mentions vigorous 
stirring, nernst and spacing.  I haven't established a high.  Just stopped 
around 50.

Trem




  Trem  wrote:

  >Hello Mike,

  > I knew you'd have criticisms. I use 2 mils of current because I've
  > determined empirically that 1-2 mils per square inch is  just fine
  > with rapid water movement. I can even go higher with that unit but
  > decided to stick with the highest value that produces  the fastest
  > production rate without problems

  > I use VIGOROUS stirring to avoid what you call the Nernst layer.

  The Nernst  layer  is  extremely   thin,  perhaps  only  hundreds of
  nanometers thick.  It  is  within  the  boundary  layer  and  is not
  affected by stirring.

  > Apparently it allows me to get very high uS measurements  which as
  > far as I'm concerned is NOT contamination.

  How do you know that? You have done nothing to prove your  system is
  free of contamination.

  > Frank has tested a sample of the product but not at the HIGH  uS I
  > occasionally make.

  He measured 14uS, and one other member also got the same  value. You
  claim your unit makes 20. Why the difference?

  > He tested  a sample from one of our customers.  It  measured 98.6%
  > ionic so that would explain weak/no Tyndall. There is some loss of
  > conductivity over  a short period of time but  once  stabilized it
  > usually stays stable.

  The loss  in  conductivity  may  be due  to  silver  sulfide  on the
  electrodes.

  When was the last time you desulfurized the electrodes?

  > And I  don't need to use salt to tell there's silver in  the water
  > if the water has no conductivity at start-up and high conductivity
  > at the  end  of  the  cycle.   I  trust  the  meter.  Cloudy water
  > comparisons to determine strength don't cut it for me.

  The fact the conductance changes would also occur with leaching from
  the plumbing, contamination from the jug, leakage from the pump, and
  many other sources.

  The salt  test  is  immune   to  contamination,  and  is  a reliable
  indication of the amount of silver in the solution.

  You also  have never performed a Faraday calculation, so  you cannot
  compare the  readings  you  get from the Hanna  with  the  amount of
  silver released from the anodes.

  You have no idea what you are really producing.

  If you are really producing 45+Us, why is no other vendor  using the
  same process?

  Why does  Frank not show any product reports with values as  high as
  you claim?

  > And as  you say, the PWT meter cannot tell the  difference between
  > minerals (contamination)  and silver ions so the  measurement MUST
  > be silver ions.

  That is  a false assumption. You can put salt in the dw and  get the
  same reading.  There is no silver in salt, so you  cannot  claim the
  reading shows how much silver is in the solution.

  You need  to take very careful steps to show your system is  free of
  contamination. You have not done so.

  > Now, please leave me alone. I do not have the time for this.

  You are the one who made the claim and posted it.

  You have time to make claims of the performance of your  system, but
  not enough time to prove they are correct?

  That is a rather risky business model, don't you think?

  >Trem

  Mike


  - Original Message - 
  From: David AuBuchon 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:14 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>The Silvercell process?


  Trem, Tel, and Others,

  When you made your higher PPM brews, did you stop just because you felt like 
it, or because you actually hit a limit in PPM?

  I have a batch at 50PPM right now, and am going to work it up til it wont go 
no more.  It is however very slow, as I run off 2 AA's.  

  It seems to me that this incremental upping of PPM could be possible 
indefinitely.  

  I notice that transferring the brew to another jar, then right back to the 
first jar actually increases PPM by about 1 or so.  Then I clean the electrodes 
and continue the brew.

  I think that perhaps if you have a uniformly dispersed brew, that there is a 
time window when you first turn on the power when very little silver hydroxide 
is forming, as the denser regions of ions just coming off the electrodes have 
not had time to migrate to the other electrodes yet.  During this time window 
is when the conductance will increase.  When boatloads of pilgrims reach the 
other electrodes however, conductance may peak.  This might suggest that 
vigorous stirring is definitely a help in lengthening that time frame.  It 
might also suggest that increased distance between electrodes could help.  

  This would not "get rid of" the "nernst" layer, but simply make it a 
non-issue for a time frame.  Then the unit can be turned off for a while, and 

Re: CS>Stiring CS

[Trem]

Hello James,

Thanks for your inquiry.  We use a motor and stirring wand in the SG6 and a 
submersible pump in the SG7

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com



  - Original Message - 
  From: James McDonald 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 4:29 PM
  Subject: CS>Stiring CS


  Trem,

What do you use to stir the CS during generation?

Re: CS>shingles

[Trem]

Definitely, from firsthand experience.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: Rodney Samuelson 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:52 AM
  Subject: CS>shingles


  I have a friend with shingles.  The Webb says CS can help.  Do  you concur?

Re: CS>The Silvercell process?

[Trem]

Well, so much for spell checking.  I apologize for the errors but I'm sure you 
can tell what I meant.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: Trem 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 6:44 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>The Silvercell process?


  I guess it's appropriate for me to chime in.  I have made ionic silver as 
high as 50+ PPM using the SG7 as measured with a Hanna PWT meter.  Some is 
stored in glass and some in 2 liter cola bottles.  It was measured at 45+ PPM.  
A couple of them have a slight golden color indicating a small amount of 
agglomeration.

  I use vigorous water movement to avoid what Mike M calls the Nernst layer.  
If it's there it is certainly very thin.

  I check them every couple of years and some have drifted down a small amount. 
 I relate microsiemens directly to PPM, having correlated them many years ago 
by lab analysis.  It tuned out that 1 uS equals 1 PPM.  That's when we started 
sell the meters for use as ionic/colloidal silver PPM meters.

  We distilled our well water using a Barnstead lab still.  As I recall the 
water was under 1 microsiemen.

  There is a minor amount of fallout besides the small drop in PPM.  No 
plateout so we Consider the water as having unlimited shelf life.  It is about 
11 years old now.

  Trem


- Original Message - 
From: David AuBuchon 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: CS>The Silvercell process?


It could be, though I am also skeptical.  Natural Immunogenics for example 
only has 23PPM with all their years of work.  And that is also suspiciously 
close to one hypothetical upper bound of roughly 26PPM (13PPM silver oxide, 13 
PPM silverhydroxide).  This lends credence to that hypothetical upper bound 
(without using ultra low current density like Mike is doing, that is). 


How is the 40PPM measured on the SilverGen?  A built in meter?  Short of 
getting a batch lab-analyzed, the correctness and relevance of the reading that 
that meter gives would need to be validated.  The conductance drop over time 
after the batch is finished would also need to be viewed.  Also visible 
plateout or fallout.  Also potential contamination sources.

David  



On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Alan Jones  wrote:

  Would you mind sharing more details on this?  How small must the batch 
be?  How pure must the water be? 


  -Alan 



  On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Alchemysa  
wrote: 

Anyway, I've made 40+ ppm CS with a Silverpuppy in the past. Its not 
that hard. Its just a matter of using very pure water and keeping the batch 
size small.  Trem has also said he's made 40+ with a Silvergen. Mike would 
dispute this of course.

David


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Re: CS>The Silvercell process?

[Trem]

I guess it's appropriate for me to chime in.  I have made ionic silver as high 
as 50+ PPM using the SG7 as measured with a Hanna PWT meter.  Some is stored in 
glass and some in 2 liter cola bottles.  It was measured at 45+ PPM.  A couple 
of them have a slight golden color indicating a small amount of agglomeration.

I use vigorous water movement to avoid what Mike M calls the Nernst layer.  If 
it's there it is certainly very thin.

I check them every couple of years and some have drifted down a small amount.  
I relate microsiemens directly to PPM, having correlated them many years ago by 
lab analysis.  It tuned out that 1 uS equals 1 PPM.  That's when we started 
sell the meters for use as ionic/colloidal silver PPM meters.

We distilled our well water using a Barnstead lab still.  As I recall the water 
was under 1 microsiemen.

There is a minor amount of fallout besides the small drop in PPM.  No plateout 
so we Consider the water as having unlimited shelf life.  It is about 11 years 
old now.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: David AuBuchon 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:12 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>The Silvercell process?


  It could be, though I am also skeptical.  Natural Immunogenics for example 
only has 23PPM with all their years of work.  And that is also suspiciously 
close to one hypothetical upper bound of roughly 26PPM (13PPM silver oxide, 13 
PPM silverhydroxide).  This lends credence to that hypothetical upper bound 
(without using ultra low current density like Mike is doing, that is).


  How is the 40PPM measured on the SilverGen?  A built in meter?  Short of 
getting a batch lab-analyzed, the correctness and relevance of the reading that 
that meter gives would need to be validated.  The conductance drop over time 
after the batch is finished would also need to be viewed.  Also visible 
plateout or fallout.  Also potential contamination sources.

  David  



  On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Alan Jones  wrote:

Would you mind sharing more details on this?  How small must the batch be?  
How pure must the water be?


-Alan



On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Alchemysa  wrote:

  Anyway, I've made 40+ ppm CS with a Silverpuppy in the past. Its not that 
hard. Its just a matter of using very pure water and keeping the batch size 
small.  Trem has also said he's made 40+ with a Silvergen. Mike would dispute 
this of course.

  David


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Re: CS>Smart Meter Frequency and Info

[Trem]

I have a "Multidetector II Profi" "High Sensitive Electrosmog-Analyser"
It has EMF scales from 1 MV/Meter to 1000 MV/Meter and frequency bands for 
below 500 Hertz and also above 500 hertz.
It goes off scale on about half the ranges most anywhere in my house.  Of 
course it's seeing the fields from the house wiring and there's no way to 
see microwave energy from the Power meter.  It's all the same.

Go figger.

Trem


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Smart Meter Frequency and Info


I am not sure they would tell you anything. My K2, which is similar goes 
off scale near even the analog ones.


Marshall

On 10/23/2011 11:23 PM, Dan Nave wrote:

I don't know.  You could read up on it or just try it.

Dan

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Craig Chamberlin
  wrote:

Hi Dan,

Would a tri-field meter be able to pick up these emissions?  I have one, 
but

need to buy a nine volt battery for it, as I am out, *sigh*.

Thanks,

Craig

Dan Nave wrote:

Found some useful info at this link.  Below the part I attached is
also a list of links that may be relevant.

Dan

http://www.sdge.com/smartmeter/faq.shtml



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CS>>44 uS

[Trem]

Hello Mike,

I knew you'd have criticisms.  I use 2 mils of current because I've 
determined empirically that 1-2 mils per square inch is just fine with 
rapid water movement.   i can even go higher with that unit but decided 
to stick with the highest value that produces the fastest production 
rate without problems


I use VIGOROUS stirring to avoid what you call the Nernst layer.  
Apparently it allows me to get very high uS measurements which as far as 
I'm concerned is NOT contamination.  Frank has tested a sample of the 
product but not at the HIGH uS I occasionally make.  He tested a sample 
from one of our customers.  It measured 98.6% ionic so that would 
explain weak/no Tyndall.  There is some loss of conductivity over a 
short period of time but once stabilized it usually stays stable.


And I don't need to use salt to tell there's silver in the water if the 
water has no conductivity at start-up and high conductivity at the end 
of the cycle.  I trust the meter.  Cloudy water comparisons to determine 
strength don't cut it for me.


And as you say, the PWT meter cannot tell the difference between 
minerals (contamination) and silver ions so the measurement MUST be 
silver ions.


Now, please leave me alone. . I do not have the time for this.

Trem


On 9/19/2011 12:53 PM, Mike Monett wrote:

Trem  wrote:

A few facts.

I made a gallon batch several days ago with an SG7.  It measured 47uS.

Was still climbing when shut off.

I made some batches in 2001 when designing the SG7.  They were measured
at 45+PPM.  They were all clear and colorless.

I check them every year or so.  Checked again after making the above
batch.  Still 45uS   Checked Tyndall with lights OFF.  No Tyndall but a
few sparkles probably moving around by Brownian.

All batches use VIGOROUS stirring during production.  I use 2 milliamps
per square inch of anode area.

Trem

Trem, at 2mA per square inch and flat sheets, you are well above the Nernst
Threshold and should be making plenty of silver hydroxide, AgOH.

The fact you have little or no Tyndall indicates a potentially serious
problem with contamination. It could come from sulfur on the electrodes or
plasticizer leaching from the pump mechanism and hoses. Or other sources of
contamination resulting from the fact your system is completely open to the
environment.

The fact that you do not show a drop in conductance after the brew is
finished also indicates that the brew is contaminated.

The Hanna and COM-100 PWT cannot tell the difference between silver ions
and any other source of contamination. So the readings mean nothing until
they have been independently verified.

One way to verify the performance of the system is to monitor the cell
current during the brew and apply the Faraday equation. This tells the
amount of silver that was liberated. Then compare that with the Hanna or
COM-100 readings.

If you measure a higher value with the PWT that predicted by the Faraday
calculation, then obviously there is a contamination problem.

Another way to confirm the silver ion content is with the Salt Test. This
is completely immune to contamination. The resulting dispersion can be
compared with a known silver ion concentration to confirm the value.

Have you ever performed either of these tests?

The highest concentration that Frank measures in his product reports is
around 20 uS, except the American Biotech Labs that measures 30 uS. This
product is made with an open high voltage arc that creates nitrogen oxides.
Frank observes the oxides dissolve in the dw and will form nitric acid.
This potentially dissolves any silver compounds and results in a high
silver ion content.

However, except for this one product, all the rest are around 20uS or below.

If your method produced such high silver ion concentrations, why does no
other vendor use it?

I believe Frank measured the output of your system at 14uS. This contrasts
with the 20uS that you claim. Have you ever resolved this discrepancy?

If you are truly obtaining 45+ uS with your system, please send a sample to
Frank and have him measure it.

Thanks,

Mike Monett
SilverCell


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CS>44 PPM

[Trem]

A few facts.

I made a gallon batch several days ago with an SG7.  It measured 47uS.  
Was still climbing when shut off.
I made some batches in 2001 when designing the SG7.  They were measured 
at 45+PPM.  They were all clear and colorless.
I check them every year or so.  Checked again after making the above 
batch.  Still 45uS   Checked Tyndall with lights OFF.  No Tyndall but a 
few sparkles probably moving around by Brownian.


All batches use VIGOROUS stirring during production.  I use 2 milliamps 
per square inch of anode area.


Trem


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Re: CS>Lyme disease

[Trem]

Rod,

Thanks for your email.  You have me confused with someone else.  I have 
never had Lyme.


I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
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On 9/13/2011 6:41 PM, Rodney Samuelson wrote:


*Trem,*

**

*I know you took CS for a year for Lyme.  At what month did you feel 
better?*


**

*How much CS did you drink per day?*

**

*Please call me at 860-881-3734*

**

*rod*



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Re: CS>heel spurs

[Trem]

The lady that introduced me to them was a brit.  Orthotics are a very 
simple concept.  Basically an arch support with a heel cup made to fit 
the foot not under weight pressure.  When the weight is applied the heel 
doesn't spread out.


Trem





On 9/13/2011 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Thanks for this Trem, I will look into this for him, but i will be surprised if 
I can get anything like it here in the UK!  dee


On 13 Sep 2011, at 16:34, Trem wrote:


My heels bothered me all my life and whenever I bought any shoes I would usually look for 
the ones with crepe soles.  I think they were called desert boots.  Whenever I went to 
the mall or shopping with my wife I always looked for the "Mens Sitting Chair" 
wherever we stopped.  And always walked on any carpet in stores if possible.

One day I was trying some shoes on and the saleslady ss  I was uncomfortable.  
As soon as I told her about the sore heels she showed me her orthotics and said 
she'd been using them for years.  That was about 15 or more years ago.  Went to 
a chiropodist, got fitted and still use the same ones.  A few years later had 
him make me a second pair so I wasn't always juggling them between shoes.

Best money I ever spent on health.

Trem





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Re: CS>heel spurs

[Trem]

My heels bothered me all my life and whenever I bought any shoes I would 
usually look for the ones with crepe soles.  I think they were called 
desert boots.  Whenever I went to the mall or shopping with my wife I 
always looked for the "Mens Sitting Chair" wherever we stopped.  And 
always walked on any carpet in stores if possible.


One day I was trying some shoes on and the saleslady ss  I was 
uncomfortable.  As soon as I told her about the sore heels she showed me 
her orthotics and said she'd been using them for years.  That was about 
15 or more years ago.  Went to a chiropodist, got fitted and still use 
the same ones.  A few years later had him make me a second pair so I 
wasn't always juggling them between shoes.


Best money I ever spent on health.

Trem



On 9/13/2011 7:23 AM, sol wrote:
Same here. I even used OTC "orthotics" and they worked perfectly for 
me. I may not have tried every alternative treatment out there, but I 
tried many, and nothing worked but the orthotics.

sol

Trem wrote:

I found orthotics many years ago and never looked further.




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Re: CS>heel spurs

[Trem]

I found orthotics many years ago and never looked further.

Trem




On 9/12/2011 5:25 PM, PTFerrance wrote:


Acupuncture and microcurrent are helpful for heel spurs for some people.

PT

*From:*Kathy Tankersley [mailto:babychicks...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2011 7:42 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* CS>heel spurs

Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If so, what kind of 
treatment did you use?  My daughter has them and they are miserable.  
Any help is greatly appreciated.  Thands,Kathy




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Re: CS>Silver generator

[Trem]

We sometimes tell a person that has trouble getting the PPM high enough 
or if the unit doesn't shut off that setting the dial a bit lower than 
HIGH will allow it to shut off instead of continuing to run which keeps 
adding silver to the water.  It's impassible to "break" the machine.  
It's "bulletproof".  Please don't shoot it as a test!


Trem





On 8/2/2011 9:23 PM, slickpic...@cox.net wrote:

Thanks Melly.  How strange that they would even put a setting on the machine 
that would break it...?  I never got that info but fortunately I've not had any 
problems when running it on max.  It takes a little longer to complete (as 
expected) but no other issues.

Terry


 Melly Bag  wrote:

Terry,
  
This is what i was told when i called silvergen's office.  That i am not to turn it all the way up to the max or i'll break the machine.  I called then for low ppm even at max setting.
  
Melly


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Re: CS>Fwd: 'Ole Bob's Colloidal Silver Book

[Trem]

Hi Dan,

Bob and I were friends and communicated once in a while.   I'd like to 
honor him by putting his book on our website for the world to see.  So 
if Mrs. Berger agrees, please send it over.


I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com




On 7/14/2011 6:37 AM, Dan Nave wrote:

Right now there is *no* pdf copy of Ole Bob's book.

However, we are trying to have someone get in touch with his wife and
see if she has any objection for us doing this.

Seems like there is a lot of interest, but we will all have to wait a while.

Dan


On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Stephen Rose  wrote:

I'd like one, too.  Thanks.


On 7/10/2011 1:50 PM, Dan Nave wrote:

Can anyone find out if there would be an objection to circulating a
PDF copy of 'Ole Bob's Colloidal Silver Book?

It is unlikely to be reprinted since he did it himself, and I think he
wanted to disseminate the information rather than anything else.

Dan




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Re: CS>Serrapeptase

[Trem]

.   www.smartnutrition.info

I think pounding on steel and running a chainsaw were also much of my 
hearing loss.  And I'm 78 so it's probably normal to lose hearing as one 
ages.


Trem



On 6/25/2011 8:39 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
I'm sorry that that happened to you Trem.  And I hope that you achieve 
100% recovery, including hearing.  The body is miraculous at healing 
itself and will do everything in its power to do so.
So -- Serrapeptase is available in 20,000 iu's?  Can you tell me where 
you got that/saw that?  That's about where I'd like my brother to 
start.  Thanks.

MA

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It was me.  I took it to clean the plaque in my pipes.  Dosage was 
supposed to be 20,000 units daily.  Thinking "If some is good, more is 
better" i TOOK 300,000 units daily.  Only took two weeks and I 
stroked.  I can't tell any difference but my wife swore she could see 
it when it happened six years ago.  A CT scan showed I had lost my  
right temporal lobe.   I feel 99+% OK mentally but my hearing is a bit 
toasted.





On 6/25/2011 7:38 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
Someone here on our list has reported that they took Serrapeptase 
excessively and caused themself to have a stroke.  Could I ask that 
person a question please?  Can you tell me how much Serrapeptase you 
took?
I'm asking because my brother is having mini-strokes due to plaque 
due to Diabetes.  I think Serrapeptase would help him, but I can only 
find 90,000 iu capsules.  That's what I take, but I'm worried that 
may be too high an amount for someone already having stroke issues.

Any input will be appreciated.
MA


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Re: CS>Serrapeptase

[Trem]

It was me.  I took it to clean the plaque in my pipes.  Dosage was 
supposed to be 20,000 units daily.  Thinking "If some is good, more is 
better" i TOOK 300,000 units daily.  Only took two weeks and I stroked.  
I can't tell any difference but my wife swore she could see it when it 
happened six years ago.  A CT scan showed I had lost my  right temporal 
lobe.   I feel 99+% OK mentally but my hearing is a bit toasted.


Trem




On 6/25/2011 7:38 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
Someone here on our list has reported that they took Serrapeptase 
excessively and caused themself to have a stroke.  Could I ask that 
person a question please?  Can you tell me how much Serrapeptase you took?
I'm asking because my brother is having mini-strokes due to plaque due 
to Diabetes.  I think Serrapeptase would help him, but I can only find 
90,000 iu capsules.  That's what I take, but I'm worried that may be 
too high an amount for someone already having stroke issues.

Any input will be appreciated.
MA


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Re: CS>Burn Remedy... Great Information

[Trem]

I've had phenomenal results with EIS on burns I thought would parhaaps be 
serious enough to disfigure me.  As I recall, only one burn ever got a 
blister.  Pain was also immediately reduced.


Needless to say, I believe this is nature's gift to us.

Trem


- Original Message - 
From: "Malcolm" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Burn Remedy... Great Information



Hi,
Please be cautious about throwing flour on any flames, there's quite a
history of explosions in flour mills due to the amount of flour in the
air suddenly igniting.  This lead to new laws governing the amount of
flour dust allowed in the mills.

Since I live with wood heat - i.e. a wood stove - I've had occasion to
find this out by tossing in flour and getting a pretty good "WHOOSH"!

I've never tried flour for burns, but I have used ice-water which kills
the pain and seems to help with rapid healing.
Take care,
Malcolm

On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 12:56 +, craehow...@juno.com wrote:



This came from a very reliable
source and is worth distributing.
 Once I was cooking some
corn and stuck my fork in
the boiling
water to see if the corn
was ready. I missed and my
hand went
into the boiling water

A friend of mine, who was a
Vietnam vet, came into the
house, just
as I was screaming, and
asked me if I had some
plain old flour...I
pulled out a bag and he
stuck my hand in it. He
said to keep my hand
in the flour for 10 mins.
which I did. He said that
in Vietnam, this guy
was on fire and in their
panic, they threw a bag of
flour all over him to
put the fire out...well, it
not only put the flour out,
but he never even
had a blister

S, long story short, I
put my hand in the bag of
flour for 10 mins,
pulled it out and had not
even a red mark or a
blister and absolutely NO
PAIN. Now, I keep a bag of
flour in the fridge and
every time I burn myself,
I use the flour and never
ONCE have I ever had a red
spot, a burn or a
blister!
*Cold flour feels even
better than room
temperature flour.

Miracle, if you ask me.
Keep a bag of white flour
in your fridge and you
will be happy you did. I
even burnt my tongue and
put the flour on it for
about 10
mins. and the pain was gone
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Re: CS>Tyndal Effect help

[Trem]

Weak Tyndall is indicative of small particles.  So, if your meter tells you 
there is ionic silver in the water it will certainly have some colloidal 
silver.  You've got good product.  Take it into a dark room and check again.


Trem


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From: 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:31 PM
Subject: Fw: CS>Tyndal Effect help


Thank you. I should have said usually no TE at all. Even when looking from 
above in subdue light.  I have read that page but it still says I should 
have a faint TE. I have rarely obtained a faint TE.

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld

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From: Trem 
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 12:01:04
To: 
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Subject: Re: CS>Tyndal Effect help

See http://www.silvergen.com/Tyndall.htm

Trem


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From: 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: CS>Tyndal Effect help



Is it necessary to have a Tyndal Effect to have a good quality product. I
use a silvergen machine and deionized water that reads well below 1uS on 
a

hanna meter.  After I am done I have a reading around 14uS and it tastes
like CS but I have little to no TE.

From my readings I understand the TE reflects  bigger particles and the
meter measures the ions.  The silvergen I am using should be doing aprox
80-85/20-15% of ions to particles. If I am not getting the TE does it 
just

mean I am producing less particles, or am I doing something wrong? Is  my
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Re: CS>Tyndal Effect help

[Trem]

See http://www.silvergen.com/Tyndall.htm

Trem


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From: 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: CS>Tyndal Effect help


Is it necessary to have a Tyndal Effect to have a good quality product. I 
use a silvergen machine and deionized water that reads well below 1uS on a 
hanna meter.  After I am done I have a reading around 14uS and it tastes 
like CS but I have little to no TE.
From my readings I understand the TE reflects  bigger particles and the 
meter measures the ions.  The silvergen I am using should be doing aprox 
80-85/20-15% of ions to particles. If I am not getting the TE does it just 
mean I am producing less particles, or am I doing something wrong? Is  my 
stuff still effective with only ions?
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Re: CS>Shingles

[Trem]

No I don't.  I think all distilled water is now ozonated but chlorine is not 
added.  Where did you get that info.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob Banever 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 6:57 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Shingles


  Trem,

   I was just informed that ALL bottled water (even distilled) must contain 
chlorine as per FDA.  Do you know anything about this?

   Bob
- Original Message - 
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Shingles


Worked for me many years ago.  Never came back.  I drink it daily.  No 
other infections either.

Trem

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tel Tofflemire 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 3:42 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Shingles


  Colloidal Silver sprayed on affected area works 99 % of the time.
   
  Tel Tofflemire
  Dewey, AZ. 





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  Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:12:51 AM
  Subject: CS>Shingles

  I belive I have seen something on here before reguarding shingles. Is CS 
effective against shingles and how much would you dose for pain relief.
   
  Thanks
  Todd Paddock

Re: CS>Shingles

[Trem]

Worked for me many years ago.  Never came back.  I drink it daily.  No other 
infections either.

Trem

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tel Tofflemire 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 3:42 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Shingles


  Colloidal Silver sprayed on affected area works 99 % of the time.
   
  Tel Tofflemire
  Dewey, AZ.





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  Subject: CS>Shingles

  I belive I have seen something on here before reguarding shingles. Is CS 
effective against shingles and how much would you dose for pain relief.
   
  Thanks
  Todd Paddock

Re: CS>FOUND: Our Mightiest Germ Fighter, Science Digest March 1978

[Trem]

Hi Nenah,

Please add us to your list of recipients.
Thanks for your help.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com


   
  FOUND: Our Mightiest Germ Fighter, Science Digest March 1978


  My librarian friend secured a scan of the original for me of “Our Mightiest 
Germ Fighter” from Science Digest, March 1978. If anyone wants a copy as a pdf 
file, email me and I’ll send it to you.



  Nenah



  Nenah Sylver, PhD

  electromedicine specialist and author

  The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009)

  & The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004)

  www.nenahsylver.com 

Re: CS>distiller/ppm/hanna meter

[Trem]

And make sure mot to pour the solution back into the bottle and contaminate 
it.  Toss it.


Trem

- Original Message - 
From: "Beth" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: CS>distiller/ppm/hanna meter



A
Now I have to do it over again >LOL
I just reset it
I should have just talked to someone over the phone!!
Lots of contradicting info all over the place ... whats is one to do?
Too funny!
Beth



Do NOT use the chart on the
calibration solution bottle. The meter
automatically compensates for temperature using the
thermocouple on the
lower left side of the meter. Set it to 84.0

Trem







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Re: CS>distiller/ppm/hanna meter

[Trem]

It's more cost effective to buy the DW but double distillation is the way to 
go if you want the best.  We recommend that persons outside the U.S. having 
difficulty obtaining DW purchase a distiller and if they have poor quality 
end product, follow the steps outlined.


Trem


- Original Message - 
From: "Beth" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: CS>distiller/ppm/hanna meter



Yes and that means that I use 1.5 gallons of water and it
yeilds only .5 gallons after 6-8 hours of distilling.

I distilled first batch last night it read 2.8 while still
warm however it read .7 this morning after it cooled and sat
a while.

I will continue to test the batches as they come out and as the
distiller gets older it might change.
I am on a water system which is not potable. (like being in a cottage)
All of our drinking/cooking water
is bought so it becomes quite a waste when I start tossing out
a gallon of water each time.

If it was just coming out of the tap I probably would not mind as much.
1.5 gallons of water and 6-8 hours power for 1/2 gallon also seem like a 
lot of waste.

However I do understand that making the CS is what comes out cheaper
in the end no matter what I do.  :)

I just dont understand how the temperature would make such a difference
in the reading. 2.8 down to .7 is quite a difference. The PWT is suppose
to take temp into consideration.

Beth




This is on our site.

Trem

1. Remove the carbon discharge filter.
It makes the water conductive.

2. Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4
full.

3. Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

4. Discard the remainder in the boiling
chamber.

5. Repeat steps 2,3 and 4. You now have
one gallon in the receiver.

6. Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling
chamber.

7. Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

You now have what is called double distilled water.

Allow to cool and try to use it. It should measure
less than 1 microsiemen
using a PWT meter..



- Original Message - 
From: "Beth" 

To: "silver-list" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:05 PM
Subject: CS>distiller/ppm/hanna meter


> Okay so I did my first batch of water in the
distiller.
> No filter.
> I calaborated my hanna pwt to 84.0 as per solution
requirements.
> Then tested the first batch of distilled water.
> It reads 2.8
>
> So is that because I have no filter? or maybe because
it is the
> first time I used the unit. I dont know.
> I will do another batch tomorrow and see what it comes
out to.
>
> It should be 0 to begin with right?
>
> Beth
>
>






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Re: CS>distiller/ppm/hanna meter

[Trem]

Do NOT use the chart on the calibration solution bottle.  The meter 
automatically compensates for temperature using the thermocouple on the 
lower left side of the meter.  Set it to 84.0


Trem


- Original Message - 
From: "Beth" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: CS>distiller/ppm/hanna meter



Actually I just realized that the temperature in my house
was not 77degrees. So this morning I reset the pwt meter using the
room temperature. I had to bring the calibration from 84 down to 76.
I wonder how that would impact my readings.

I am distilling water again.

Also, the distilled water read 2.8 last night but it was still warm
and this morning after it cooled down it read 0.7

I have to find the chart that helps me understand what that means in ppm.

I think if it reads 1.0 it means .4 ppm
My tap water reads 1   .  That is 1space space decimal point. So I believe
it is over its capacity!

Beth



Filter the water before distilling,
not after.

Dan

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Beth 
wrote:
> Okay so I did my first batch of water in the
distiller.
> No filter.
> I calaborated my hanna pwt to 84.0 as per solution
requirements.
> Then tested the first batch of distilled water.
> It reads 2.8
>
> So is that because I have no filter? or maybe because
it is the
> first time I used the unit. I dont know.
> I will do another batch tomorrow and see what it comes
out to.
>
> It should be 0 to begin with right?
>
> Beth
>
>
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Re: CS>distiller/ppm/hanna meter

[Trem]

This is on our site.

Trem

1.Remove the carbon discharge filter.  It makes the water conductive.

2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full.

3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber.

5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4.  You now have one gallon in the receiver.

6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber.

7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

You now have what is called double distilled water.

Allow to cool and try to use it.  It should measure less than 1 microsiemen 
using a PWT meter..




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From: "Beth" 

To: "silver-list" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:05 PM
Subject: CS>distiller/ppm/hanna meter



Okay so I did my first batch of water in the distiller.
No filter.
I calaborated my hanna pwt to 84.0 as per solution requirements.
Then tested the first batch of distilled water.
It reads 2.8

So is that because I have no filter? or maybe because it is the
first time I used the unit. I dont know.
I will do another batch tomorrow and see what it comes out to.

It should be 0 to begin with right?

Beth



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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #850

[Trem]

Hi Melly,

Thanks for your email.  I am "customer service" so if I was rude it was 
probably because I was having a very bad day which I do only  occasionally.  I 
apologize for that.  Please don't hesitate to call again anytime you need 
assistance.

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com



  - Original Message - 
  From: Melly Bag 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:34 AM
  Subject: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #850


Trem.

Yes i used the TDS meter and the numbers i previously posted has 
already been multiplied by two.

I bought my machine from Tools for Healing. I got technical support 
from your customer service.  The man who answered kept yelling he couldn't 
understand me because of my accent then passed me on to a lady very very 
rudely.  The lady yells, "i do understand her perfectly, you are just a bigot!" 
Gosh, do i need that, i was just confused in how to put the wires in...LOL i 
stayed away from calling your customer service.  I hope that wasn't you.  LOL.

Melly

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  From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 

  Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #850
  To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
  Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 1:49 AM

   



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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #847

[Trem]

Hi Melly,

Thanks for your inquiry.  You didn't buy it from us did you?  Are you using a 
TDS meter to measure PPM?  If so, just double the reading and that'll be close 
to actual PPM.

I'm customer service and NEVER tell anyone that they can harm the generator.  
They're bulletproof.  Set the dial wherever you want.

Call us anytime  toll free at 877 SILVERGEN 745-8374 between 9 AM and 4 PM 
Pacific time Mon-Fri

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com



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  From: Melly Bag 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:49 PM
  Subject: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #847


Trem,

I see you are from silvergen.  I own one silvergen6-A.  When i set the 
dial to 9 o'clock it gives me 2 ppm.  When i set it at 12 o'clock it gives me 6 
ppm. When i set it at 3 o'clock it gives me 10 ppm.

How do  i get it to make 15 ppm? Someone in your customer service told 
not to put it on 5 o'clock as it would destroy/overheat the machine.

Thanks.

Melly

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  From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 

  Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #847
  To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
  Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 5:02 PM

   



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Re: CS>ICS toothpaste

[Trem]

Hello Beth,

Thanks for your inquiry.  I have no idea how you can accomplish that.

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com



  - Original Message - 
  From: Bethany Methven 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:41 AM
  Subject: CS>ICS toothpaste


I am experimenting with making an all natural ICS toothpaste.   Any 
ideas, thoughts or suggestions on this?  

Thanks - Beth


" Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things 
not seen." Hebrews 11:1

   




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Re: CS>DO NOT CALL LIST

[Trem]

Maybe false.  However I called the number and the national "do not call" 
recording jumped me through the hoops and said it was now a done deal.  Also 
told me I could file a complaint after 31 days if called by a marketer.  So, 
maybe the machine that answered is a big hoax.  I doubt it.  Only took a 
minute and might prevent a lot of aggravation.  I do not like telemarketers.


Trem


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To: 
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: CS>DO NOT CALL LIST



Snopes is still saying false:  (I hope they're still correct!)

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp





REMINDER: Cell Phone Numbers Go Public this month.

REMINDER.  all cell phone numbers are being released to

telemarketing

companies and you will start to receive sales calls.

 YOU WILL BE CHARGED FOR THESE CALLS

To prevent this, call the following number from your cell phone:
888-382-1222.
It is the National DO NOT CALL list It will only take a minute of your
time.. It blocks your number for five (5) years. You must call from

the cell

phone number you want to have blocked. You cannot call from a

different

phone number.

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CS>DO NOT CALL LIST

[Trem]

I thought this should be on list rather than off-topic

REMINDER: Cell Phone Numbers Go Public this month.

REMINDER.  all cell phone numbers are being released to telemarketing 
companies and you will start to receive sales calls.


 YOU WILL BE CHARGED FOR THESE CALLS

To prevent this, call the following number from your cell phone:
888-382-1222.
It is the National DO NOT CALL list It will only take a minute of your 
time.. It blocks your number for five (5) years. You must call from the cell 
phone number you want to have blocked. You cannot call from a different 
phone number.


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Re: CS>help re cholesterol

[Trem]

Too much got me.  Had a stroke.

Trem
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:00 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>help re cholesterol


Be careful of taking the serrapeptase and don't try to push it.  Follow 
the dosage no the bottle.  Taking too much too fast can 'chunk' off bits of 
plaque which can travel and cause strokes.  Happened to 2 people on 2 different 
lists I'm on, trying to get rid of their plaque too fast.  

It's safe is used as directed.

Samala,
Renee 




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I'm taking serrapeptase...but at the dosage on the bottle (I've read 
that
others increase it substanstially). Marshall, can you give an 
approximate
dosage amount in which this would happen in about a month?
   
  
   



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Re: CS>U/S to Silver Strength Reading

[Trem]

It's 1 to 1   TDS readings are 1/2 the PPM

Trem


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From: "nessie" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:33 AM
Subject: CS>U/S to Silver Strength Reading



 Hi Group:
   I think this has been discussed  before. But I forget the
outcome.
  Basically,  what is the mathematical adjustment when  going
from U/S (Microsemens) measurement
  to PPM  for measuring silver strength/concentration . Seems
to me  the  silver strength/concentration  in PPm was half of the
microsemens reading?
  Is that correct or was it 2/3 the  microsemen reading?
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Re: CS>A perplexing Problem....

[Trem]

I thought "if some is good, more is better"  Started taking 300,000 units 
daily and within two weeks a clump of plaque came loose and went to my 
brain, making me stroke.  Lost my right temporal lobe but everything else 
still works.  Be careful with large doses.  I now take 40,000 daily.


Trem


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From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: CS>A perplexing Problem



I would use 200,000 units a day.  If you go too high the plaque can be
removed too fast, and since it was supporting the arteries, the arteries
can have weakened over time.  They need time to strengthen as the plaque
is removed so they don't collapse.

Marshall

Hanneke wrote:

Marshall,

what kind of a dose would you suggest in a case like this with roughly
4 weeks to spare til the surgery?

At 12:58 AM 8/09/2010, you wrote:

If it is for bypass surgery, immediately get him on some serrapeptase
IMMEDIATELY.  I think that if he can take it for a month, they will
likely cancel the surgery. Everyone I know who has done this has been
able to do that. The biggest problem is if the blockage is so great
the serrapeptase is unable to get into the vessel to dissolve the
cholesterol deposits quick enough for  your schedule.  If you can
clear them out before the surgery that will save you a procedure
that  be deadly and tens of thousands of dollars as

well.


Marshall

MaryAnn Helland wrote:

Omigod -- what happens to patients after open-heart surgery?  My
husband is scheduled for it on October 5th.
MA



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Re: CS>twice distilled water

[Trem]

The Alchemists distilled 7 times to assure complete demineralization

Trem


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  From: needling around 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:36 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>twice distilled water


  Thanks.  I understand that but once you distill it aren't they all supposed 
to be gone?  The reason I double distilled it was because the homeopath wants 
it totally destructured before I use it.  I thought singly distilled water was 
the purest water there was.  I was surprised that it still contained 
contaminants.
  PT
- Original Message - 
    From: Trem 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: CS>twice distilled water


The reason for double distillation is to remove most of the caontamimamts 
(minerals)  The water is not producing contaminants.  They were in it to start 
with.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: needling around 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:49 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>twice distilled water


  Actually, the CS that I made with the water turned out OK.  What I am 
interested in is how water that has been distilled can still be producing 
contaminants?  It was my understanding that once it was distilled it is 
contaminant free.
  Thanks.
  PT
- Original Message - 
From: Trem 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: CS>twice distilled water


Sometimes following steps 1 through 4 is good enough.  All steps are 
for making the best end product.  Starting with RO is a good first step since 
much most minerals are removed but it migh also be OK starting with tap water.  
Experiment and you'll soon know.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: jaxi 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:39 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>twice distilled water


  Found it ... see below.  Question - if using RO water to start would 
you still need to "double distill"?  I haven't bought my distiller yet but it 
begins to seem like a hell of a lot more work to make the distilled water than 
it is to make the EIS.

  Jaxi

  How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low 
conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver 
water.
  1.Remove the carbon discharge filter.  It makes the water 
conductive.

  2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full.

  3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

  4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber.

  5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4.  You now have one gallon in the 
receiver.

  6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber.

  7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

  You now have what is called double distilled water.

  Allow to cool and try to use it.  It should measure less than 1 
microsiemen using a PWT meter..



      On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Trem  wrote:

Try using the method shown just above the links at the bottom of 
this page.
http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm

"How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low 
conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver 
water."

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Re: CS>twice distilled water

[Trem]

The reason for double distillation is to remove most of the caontamimamts 
(minerals)  The water is not producing contaminants.  They were in it to start 
with.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: needling around 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:49 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>twice distilled water


  Actually, the CS that I made with the water turned out OK.  What I am 
interested in is how water that has been distilled can still be producing 
contaminants?  It was my understanding that once it was distilled it is 
contaminant free.
  Thanks.
  PT
- Original Message - 
From: Trem 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: CS>twice distilled water


Sometimes following steps 1 through 4 is good enough.  All steps are for 
making the best end product.  Starting with RO is a good first step since much 
most minerals are removed but it migh also be OK starting with tap water.  
Experiment and you'll soon know.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: jaxi 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:39 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>twice distilled water


  Found it ... see below.  Question - if using RO water to start would you 
still need to "double distill"?  I haven't bought my distiller yet but it 
begins to seem like a hell of a lot more work to make the distilled water than 
it is to make the EIS.

  Jaxi

  How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, 
high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water.
  1.Remove the carbon discharge filter.  It makes the water conductive.

  2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full.

  3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

  4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber.

  5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4.  You now have one gallon in the receiver.

  6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber.

  7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

  You now have what is called double distilled water.

  Allow to cool and try to use it.  It should measure less than 1 
microsiemen using a PWT meter..



  On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Trem  wrote:

Try using the method shown just above the links at the bottom of this 
page.
http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm

"How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low 
conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver 
water."

Trem 

 


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Re: CS>twice distilled water

[Trem]

Sometimes following steps 1 through 4 is good enough.  All steps are for making 
the best end product.  Starting with RO is a good first step since much most 
minerals are removed but it migh also be OK starting with tap water.  
Experiment and you'll soon know.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: jaxi 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:39 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>twice distilled water


  Found it ... see below.  Question - if using RO water to start would you 
still need to "double distill"?  I haven't bought my distiller yet but it 
begins to seem like a hell of a lot more work to make the distilled water than 
it is to make the EIS.

  Jaxi

  How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high 
quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water.
  1.Remove the carbon discharge filter.  It makes the water conductive.

  2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full.

  3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

  4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber.

  5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4.  You now have one gallon in the receiver.

  6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber.

  7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

  You now have what is called double distilled water.

  Allow to cool and try to use it.  It should measure less than 1 microsiemen 
using a PWT meter..



  On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Trem  wrote:

Try using the method shown just above the links at the bottom of this page.
http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm

"How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, 
high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water."

Trem 

 


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Re: CS>twice distilled water

[Trem]

Try using the method shown just above the links at the bottom of this page.
http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm

"How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, 
high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water."


Trem

- Original Message - 
From: "Dorothy Fitzpatrick" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: CS>twice distilled water


That is definitely the problem.  This is what I did the first time I 
distilled water--I put it through a filter.  The finished water read 2. 
Then I distilled it again--and the reading actually went up to 3!  Just 
use cold tap water...boil it in a kettle and tip it into the distiller 
still boiling.  When the first tiny bit goes into the holding vessel...tip 
it off.  Then just let it distill until the end.  Apparently, boiling the 
water causes the volatile gas to 'burn' off because it only takes gas or 
whatever...to make impurities.  You then make sure by tipping off the very 
first amount that comes out of the distiller.  dee


On 15 Aug 2010, at 21:12, needling around wrote:

Thanks Dee.  I would still like to know why, however, the second 
distillation is yielding crud on the bottom of the boiling pot if the 
water is supposed to be pure.  I figured the specks were the charcoal but 
it doesn't seem to be a problem so far.  I forgot to mention that I use 
filtered water that I boil before I put it in the distiller.

PT





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Re: CS>Consumer Reports says colloidal silver is most dangerous supplement

[Trem]

Marshall,
Was that a typo?  CS instead of CR?

Trem


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 6:24 PM
Subject: CS>Consumer Reports says colloidal silver is most dangerous 
supplement



I just received my Sept. issue of Consumer Reports.  On page 20 they have 
colloidal silver as one of the most unsafe supplement.  Has it caused 
deaths, or harmed anyone? No all they can say about this most unsafe 
supplement is that is "likely unsafe" with no evidence or any discussion 
about it at all. It appears that CS has now been bought off by the drug 
companies as well.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #657

[trem]

Hi Marshall and Melly,

the anode gets black, NOT the cathode and is dissolving into the water..  . 
The cathode picks up silver and never turns black but does get a fuzzy dark 
grey oxide coating.  It never changes shape or dissolves.


Sorry to correct you.

Trem


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #657



Melly Bag wrote:
I have a question.  I made cs and it had made one silver pole black and 
the other one with gray fuss.


That is normal. The black will be on the cathode and the gray on the 
anode. The black is deposited silver powder and the gray silver oxide.
It also had visible silver on top of the water(very small amount, maybe 
1/16 tsp) and the walls of my jar had shiny silver spots on it (not much, 
2 quarter sized dots). What does this mean?


Sounds like you probably went beyond the 25 or so ppm maximum solubility 
of the silver oxide/hydroxide so it started depositing and plating out.
Did i over cook? Should i shorten the brewing time? It had a reading of 7 
in my Hanna TDS1 meter.


Sounds like it although I would expect a higher reading on the TDS1. You 
might have had some contamination, such as H2O2 left in the jar.


Marshall







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Re: CS>Re: CS Rods

[trem]

Re: CS RodsLook here for directions on setting PPM dial  
http://www.silvergen.com/determine_ppm.htm

Trem
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Gwlynda Irek 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:12 PM
  Subject: CS>Re: CS Rods


  Can anyone give me advise on where to purchase silver rods for my CS 
generator?

  Gwlynda Irek
  Country Ridge Bulldogs

  www.crbulldog.com

  Bulldog Club of America - Preferred Breeder
  Lone Star Bulldog Club
  North Texas Non Sporting 

  "A little faith will bring your soul to heaven, but a lot of faith will bring 
heaven to your soul".

Re: CS>Distiller readings

[TREM]

This is on our website.

Trem
www.silvergen.com

How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high 
quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water.


1.Remove the carbon discharge filter.  It makes the water conductive.

2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full.

3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber.

5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4.  You now have one gallon in the receiver.

6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber.

7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.

You now have what is called double distilled water.

Allow to cool and try to use it.  It should measure less than 1 microsiemen 
using a PWT meter..




- Original Message - 
From: "Dorothy Fitzpatrick" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Distiller readings


I never thought to do this David-- I will in future.  Normally, I tip off 
the first bit that comes out and I always boil my water before it goes in 
the distiller.  dee


On 5 May 2010, at 10:32, Alchemysa wrote:

It's been mentioned here before that one should not use the last cup of 
water that comes out of a steam distiller (for making CS).


Out of interest I measured the ppm of an early cup of water from my 
gallon distiller and compared it with the last cupfull.   Initial tap 
water reading was 325 ppm.


Early cup: 3.4uS  (1 ppm)
Last cup: 7.6 uS (3 ppm)
The initial ppm was 325 ppm.

Clearly theres a major deterioration in water quality when you start to 
boil off those last dregs in the distiller.


David







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CS>Fred Paschel

[TREM]

Fred Peschel has passed.Info here.  http://health2us.com/ 
Trem

Re: CS>about niacin

[TREM]

Thanks Chuck. I had heard of it but spaced it out. How much do you take? 
It's available in bulk at our local co-op. As I recall, it can be 
different quality from different sources. Any info on that?


Trem



On 1/29/2010 12:25 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

Trem,
If you want to lower cholesterol, also consider lecithin.
http://www.puritan.com/lecithin-064/lecithin-granules-001060

is what I use.

Chuck
What has four legs and an arm?. A happy pit bull.

On 1/29/2010 12:14:47 PM, TREM (t...@silvergen.com) wrote:
   

Steve and Dave,

I take 3 grams daily of Slo-Niacin becuse I won't take statins. Cn't stand
the flush of regular Niacin. My doc told me it would drop the cholesterol.
Where did you get your data?

Trem



On 1/29/2010 8:48 AM, Norton, Steve wrote:
My understanding is that the no-flush niacin does not lower cholesterol.
It does however help with Alzheimer’s if taken in large enough doses.
- Steve N
 


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Re: CS>about niacin

[TREM]

Thanks Steve.  I didn't realize the difference and wondered why I 
sometimes get a flush and other times don't.


Trem



On 1/29/2010 9:35 AM, Norton, Steve wrote:


Slo-Niacin is not no-flush niacin. It is a timed release version of 
regular niacin and does reduce cholesterol. Regarding no-flush niacin 
and cholesterol see:


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/447528

"In summary, the paucity of data as well as the limitations in the 
available data make it difficult to assess the true benefit of 
inositol hexaniacinate in the setting of dyslipidemia. The very 
limited data available suggest that inositol hexaniacinate may not be 
effective for the management of dyslipidemia at lower doses, and doses 
of > 2400 mg/day may be necessary to provide any added benefit for 
dyslipidemia management. Even at high doses the true value of inositol 
hexaniacinate is far from established. Finally, the safety profile of 
inositol hexaniacinate is not well understood for there are no reports 
in the literature systematically evaluating its adverse effect profile."


- Steve N

*From:* TREM [mailto:t...@silvergen.com]
*Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2010 9:15 AM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CS>about niacin

Steve and Dave,

I take 3 grams daily of Slo-Niacin becuse I won't take statins.  Cn't 
stand the flush of regular Niacin.  My doc told me it would drop the 
cholesterol.  Where did you get your data?


Trem



On 1/29/2010 8:48 AM, Norton, Steve wrote:

My understanding is that the no-flush niacin does not lower 
cholesterol. It does however help with Alzheimer's if taken in large 
enough doses.


Steve N

*From:* Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2010 7:51 AM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Subject:* Re: CS>about niacin

The no-flush type is recommended for lowering cholesterol for those 
that have a hard time accepting the flush.
 The real stuff is also a good way to increase circulation as well as 
the cholesterol lowering which the slow release doesn't do.

Dave

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Annie B Smythe 
mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I'm curious Jose,

I've been researching th differences in the Niacin forms. What 
benefits can you get from the Niacin bound to Inositol? And so far 
what you've said lines up with the reading I've been doing. I just 
don't know why the Niacin/Inositol would be recommended by a doctor 
instead of regular Niacin. For instance it's a recommended Niacin type 
in the Iodine Protocol. The literature says it doesn't have the same 
effect but then it frustrates the devil out of me because it won't say 
what the differences are or what effects it actually has that are 
beneficial. Do you know? I'd be grateful for clearing up of the 
muddled information I've found.


Annie

Re: CS>about niacin

[TREM]

Steve and Dave,

I take 3 grams daily of Slo-Niacin becuse I won't take statins.  Cn't 
stand the flush of regular Niacin.  My doc told me it would drop the 
cholesterol.  Where did you get your data?


Trem



On 1/29/2010 8:48 AM, Norton, Steve wrote:


My understanding is that the no-flush niacin does not lower 
cholesterol. It does however help with Alzheimer's if taken in large 
enough doses.


- Steve N

*From:* Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2010 7:51 AM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CS>about niacin

The no-flush type is recommended for lowering cholesterol for those 
that have a hard time accepting the flush.
 The real stuff is also a good way to increase circulation as well as 
the cholesterol lowering which the slow release doesn't do.

Dave

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Annie B Smythe 
mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I'm curious Jose,

I've been researching th differences in the Niacin forms. What 
benefits can you get from the Niacin bound to Inositol? And so far 
what you've said lines up with the reading I've been doing. I just 
don't know why the Niacin/Inositol would be recommended by a doctor 
instead of regular Niacin. For instance it's a recommended Niacin type 
in the Iodine Protocol. The literature says it doesn't have the same 
effect but then it frustrates the devil out of me because it won't say 
what the differences are or what effects it actually has that are 
beneficial. Do you know? I'd be grateful for clearing up of the 
muddled information I've found.


Annie

Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[TREM]

Hi Mary Ann,

Good choice as long as you don't wash them.  Just rinse.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:38 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


  Hey Trem -- how about vodka???  I store my CS in beautiful cobalt blue Sky 
vodka bottles!!  There's no acid in vodka, is there?
  MA




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  Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 3:12:09 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


  Sunny,

  #2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.

  I hope this helps you.

  Best regards,

  Trem Williams
  customer_serv...@silvergen.com
  www.silvergen.com


- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production


Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm 
gonna get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will 
apparently output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars? 
 I'm wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is 
it important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to 
give away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get 
them and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something 
just there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought some 
silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic 
bottle.   

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for 
portioning it out.

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say 
my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

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Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[TREM]

So much for automatic spell checking.  I need to proofread before sending.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:08 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


  Thanks so it's new production and storage jars..OK.. I actually googled 
'vwaals' then realized it was vessls' fingers one key over... ha ha

   
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
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  Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


  Sunny,

  #2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.

  I hope this helps you.

  Best regards,

  Trem Williams
  customer_serv...@silvergen.com
  www.silvergen.com


- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production


Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm 
gonna get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will 
apparently output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars? 
 I'm wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is 
it important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to 
give away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get 
them and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something 
just there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought some 
silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic 
bottle.   

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for 
portioning it out.

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say 
my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

A peek into our world... 

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wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 


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Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[TREM]

Sunny,

#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com


  - Original Message - 
  From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
  To: Silver List 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
  Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production


  Hey all you health seekers,

  I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

  1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

  2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will 
apparently output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars? 
 I'm wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is 
it important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

  3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

  What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get 
them and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something 
just there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

   I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought some 
silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic 
bottle.   

  Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.

  4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

  5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

  6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say 
my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

  Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
  I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

  A peek into our world... 

  Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All


  Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 


  Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
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nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
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Re: CS>wattage

[TREM]

Marshall.  It draws 2 watts of AC power conyiuously as long as it is turned 
on.  Most is converted to heat.  The electronics and motor use very little 
power.and does not increase.


Trem


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: CS>wattage


I was giving the amount of power that is needed to produce the colloidal 
silver as measured by the voltage and current across the electrodes.  If 
one is using a motor and electronics then those would have to be added as 
well.


However 2 watts per hour would be a continuously increasing power, that is 
no power when you first turn it on, drawing 2 watts after one hour, 4 
watts after two hours and 2 thousand watts after a thousand hours.  The 
only device that comes close to anything like this would be a huge 
inductor (probably about the size of a planet).  That is why I said that 
makes no sense for what is for all practical purposes a resistive load.


Marshall

TREM wrote:

Marshall,

It uses 2 watts of energy as long as the motor and electronics are 
operating


Most of it dissipated as heat inside the enclosure.  Very little power is 
used externally since that  drain is only 1 milliamp.  It was a direct 
answer to her question.



Best regards,

Trem
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: CS>wattage


2 watts and hour would be an acceleration of power, which makes no sense 
in



this context.

Marshall

Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote:

Is that 2 watts an hour?   sounds great!

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*From:* TREM 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, January 11, 2010 8:13:57 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>wattage

2 WATTS
 Trem
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- Original Message -
*From:* Sunwaterclear - Sunny <mailto:sunwatercl...@yahoo.com>
*To:* Silver List <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2010 5:04 PM
*Subject:* CS>wattage

Does anyone know how many watts a silver gen or similar might
use.  We are moving off grid with few funds and want to stay as
healthy as possible.. Using MMS and Silver as our main wellness
facilities.  We getting a solar panel of 100 watts to run laptop
and a couple of modems and one light or so... would like to be
able to run a colloidal generator,and wondering if anyone has any
idea..?   Before I go searching the internet...
 thanks for all the amazing helpful and knowledgeable energy on 
here.. with love

sunny

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Re: CS>wattage

[TREM]

Marshall,

It uses 2 watts of energy as long as the motor and electronics are operating 
Most of it dissipated as heat inside the enclosure.  Very little power is 
used externally since that  drain is only 1 milliamp.  It was a direct 
answer to her question.



Best regards,

Trem
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: CS>wattage


2 watts and hour would be an acceleration of power, which makes no sense in 
this context.


Marshall

Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote:

Is that 2 watts an hour?   sounds great!

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*From:* TREM 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, January 11, 2010 8:13:57 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>wattage

2 WATTS
 Trem
www.silvergen.com <http://www.silvergen.com/>

- Original Message -
*From:* Sunwaterclear - Sunny <mailto:sunwatercl...@yahoo.com>
*To:* Silver List <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2010 5:04 PM
*Subject:* CS>wattage

Does anyone know how many watts a silver gen or similar might
use.  We are moving off grid with few funds and want to stay as
healthy as possible.. Using MMS and Silver as our main wellness
facilities.  We getting a solar panel of 100 watts to run laptop
and a couple of modems and one light or so... would like to be
able to run a colloidal generator,and wondering if anyone has any
idea..?   Before I go searching the internet...
 thanks for all the amazing helpful and knowledgeable energy on 
here.. with love

sunny

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Re: CS>Shingles...

[TREM]

I got rid of mine with a half cup of 15-20 PPM daily.  Haven't had a recurrence 
in about 9-10 years.  No other opportunistic infections either.

Trem
  - Original Message - 
  From: zzekel...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:58 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Shingles...


  In a message dated 1/10/2010 6:02:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
thehatefuln...@comcast.net writes:
A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE  HAS SHINGLES.  NO SEEMS TO KNOW WHAT TO DO.  IS
>> > THIS A GOOD TREATMENT AND IF SO WHAT IS THE DOSAGE??
>> >  
>> > Glladys

  Hi G, I also have a friend who had a bad bout with shingles.. The Med. she 
got from the Dr. took 8 weeks to work & didn't really clear them up.. They came 
back with a vengeance. I asked her if she would like to try Silver. She said 
she was ready to try anything...She took a tsp.of Colloidal Silver each day and 
used the "Brooks Bradley mix" on them. It took 5-7 days to clear them & it has 
been almost a year with just one minor flair up when she had stopped taking the 
silver for a couple weeks. She now takes a couple tsp. a week .  
  {{ The "Brooks Mix" is-- 70 % CS,  10 % DMSO & 15 % Glycerine }} We use this 
for the pets & we monkeys. Lois
{{My friend bought a simple CS generator for herself as she uses it for so 
many things now. I know there are a lot of good generators out there we got 
ours from www.atlasnova.com -  We use so much & give it to friends that I got 
the set up to make a gallon at a time...}}

Re: CS>wattage

[TREM]

2 WATTS

Trem
www.silvergen.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
  To: Silver List 
  Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:04 PM
  Subject: CS>wattage


  Does anyone know how many watts a silver gen or similar might use.  We are 
moving off grid with few funds and want to stay as healthy as possible.. Using 
MMS and Silver as our main wellness facilities.  We getting a solar panel of 
100 watts to run laptop and a couple of modems and one light or so... would 
like to be able to run a colloidal generator,and wondering if anyone has any 
idea..?   Before I go searching the internet... 

  thanks for all the amazing helpful and knowledgeable energy on here.. 
  with love
  sunny
   
  A peek into our world.. 

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Re: CS>about pure water

[TREM]

Try this with your tabletop distiller.

To use your own distiller do the following.

1.Remove the carbon discharge filter.  It makes the water conductive.
2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full.
3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.
4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber.
5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4.  You now have one gallon in the receiver.
6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber.
7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver.
Allow to cool and try to use it.

I hope this helps.

Trem


From: "sol" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: CS>about pure water



At 01:44 PM 1/7/2010, you wrote:

 how to get the best distilled water do do that?
should i buy a water distiller ?  i found a one which costs 200?...?
will it be good enough?
what about you and pure water?


Distillers can be a gamble. I have heard of the cheap ones not distilling 
water to sufficient purity to make good CS, and I have also heard of $400 
distillers that also did not do a good enough job and had to be sent back.


My distiller (the cheapest one available) did a very good job for around 6 
years, but just died. We are going to go with purchased DW for a while and 
see if it is better than it was back when I bought the still. I can do 
that, because I own a Hanna PWT water test meterI think that 
is a good first step if you can afford a good meter such as the Hanna PWT 
or the COM-100, because if you have never made your own CS before you 
can't know how pure you need the distilled water to be. Where I live, it 
needs to be .2uS to .3 uS  (considerably lower than a TDS meter can read) 
for reliably clear CS making. However, most places people can use 
distilled water up to 3.0 uS and still get clear CS.

sol


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Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet

[TREM]

Hi Dee,

Yes but worth it considering it cannot be scratched and does not put any of the 
coating into the food and should outlast me.  Can't say that for the stainless 
Revere ware pots we're tossing out because of the surface leaching.

trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 10:37 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet


  A bit pricey though Trem?  dee


  On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:31, TREM wrote:


We use ScanPan which is an aluminum base coated with ceramic-titanium and 
it is bulletproof (scratchproof), non leaching, etc.   
Seehttp://www.scanpancookware.com/pages/scanpan-background-pv-c0-6.html?zenid=912ea30ad854e55b20c7e18834851dee

Trem

Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet

[TREM]

We use ScanPan which is an aluminum base coated with ceramic-titanium and it is 
bulletproof (scratchproof), non leaching, etc.   See 
http://www.scanpancookware.com/pages/scanpan-background-pv-c0-6.html?zenid=912ea30ad854e55b20c7e18834851dee

Trem
  - Original Message - 
  From: John E. Stevens 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:17 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet


  Marshall:

  Teflon is a no-no for cooking, period.  So is cooking in aluminum.  Where did 
you ever get the idea that it's okay to cook in this garbage?  Yes to stainless 
and stove top glass, but Teflon and aluminum - who are you trying to infect?

  John   


  On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM, MaryAnn Helland  
wrote:

Well -- there ya go!!  Thanks Marshall.
MA





From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 10:30:41 AM
Subject: CS>Aluminum in your diet

http://www.hints-n-tips.com/aluminum.htm

The following additives contain aluminium compounds: E173, E520, E521, E523 
E541, E545, E554, E555 E556, E559.  Antacids quite often contain aluminum 
trisilicate as does buffered aspirin. Foods containing aluminium based 
additives include dry cake mixes, pastries and croissants made from frozen 
dough, processed cheeses, some donuts and waffles, check muffins for E541 
(sodium aluminum phosphate), and food coloring.  The list of substances 
containing aluminium salts is quite depressing, it even includes  
*toothpaste*!, especially tooth whitening products.

The use of aluminum in drinking water is starting to be looked at in Canada 
and Australia, most utilities in Europe and the United States do exceed the 
recommended level of 100 microgrammes per litre, some by as much as *sixty 
times!*  Another obvious and easily avoided source is aluminum cooking pots and 
pans, this can be quite easily remedied by using enamelled, stainless steel and 
cast iron pots. Cooking in earthenware and glass containers is another option. 
There is no need to throw out all of your aluminium pots, it is OK to fry food 
in aluminium pans and intact Teflon, non-stick coatings will effectively 
prevent any contamination.

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.html

  * Virtually all food, water, air, and soil contain some aluminum.
  * The average adult in the U.S. eats about 7-9 mg aluminum per day
in their food.
  * Breathing higher levels of aluminum dust in workplace air.
  * Living in areas where the air is dusty, where aluminum is mined or
processed into aluminum metal, near certain hazardous waste sites,
or where aluminum is naturally high.
  * Eating substances containing high levels of aluminum (such as
antacids) especially when eating or drinking citrus products at
the same time.
  * Children and adults may be exposed to small amounts of aluminum
from vaccinations.
  * Very little enters your body from aluminum cooking utensils.

http://www.holisticvetpetcare.com/pdf/Heavy_Metal_Posion_Hair_Analysis-4.pdf

This site has some good information on it and lists foods that contain 
significant aluminum. Rice, wheat, beef, chicken, pork, radishes and potatoes 
all contain significant amounts of aluminum, and carrot leaf contains large 
amounts. Unfortunately I am unable to copy from the page. Apparently if you 
want an aluminum free diet about all you can consume is distilled water, and 
pure chemicals such as salt, cream of tarter, citric acid and sodium 
bicarbonate.

Marshall


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Re: CS>post

[TREM]

See  http://www.silvergen.com/ionic_versus_colloidal_silver.htm  We're not 
flying at night.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: Rusty Moncrief 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:56 AM
  Subject: CS>post


  I'm starting a fitness center and would like to use a natural disinfectant 
that kills MRSA and staph among other things.  How can I guarantee the 
effectiveness of homemade silver colloid to my members?  Also, how can I be 
sure of the quality of machines available since some of them seem pretty 
fly-by-night?
   
  Thank you in advance,
   
  Rusty


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CS>FLU

[Trem]

I have been sort of monitoring the list and haven't seen any posts saying they 
had kicked up a flu bug.So, have any of you folks been flu ridden?  My wife 
is considering a regular flu shot because she has developed a respiratory 
problem over the years and attributes it to mold in our house.  I refuse to buy 
into it because we have not had standing water or continuous lockage into wall 
cavities.  We do have a few small mold like stains on some sheetrock in our 
basement but I tell her she would probably se the same in any average basement. 
 She isn't considering H1N1 vaccine.  I haven't had a shot in 10 years and 
don't plan to have any in the near or distant future.

Let's have a show of hands.anyone caught a flu bug this year?

Trem

Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Trem]

Hi Marshall,

I only keep at it because Dr. Hans Nieper had such good success with blocked 
carotid arteries about 25-30 years ago.  Can't remember where the 
info/report he wrote is.  Anyway, after reading it 4 years ago I started 
taking large quantities daily and stroked within 2 weeks.  Then had the 
surgery a year later.  Waited a while and started taking 40,000 units daily 
and am still doing it.  I'm not convinced it has to have blood flow in order 
to dissolve the plaque.  I feel it can eat away at the plaque from 
contacting it and slowly dissolve it over time.  Nieper's results were in 
two year periods so I'm still being positive.


Trem


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation


I am puzzled how serrapeptase can do anything with a completely blocked 
vein or artery, how can it even get there to do anything?  I liken it to a 
carburetor that one has allowed the gas to dry out of, and has stopped it 
up with the varnish left behind. I have put gas back into such carburetors 
for months, and the small orifice still will not clear simply because the 
gas is unable to make it into there.  If you can get ANY flow through, then 
it will clean out quickly, getting the initial flow is the hard part.  But 
if serrapeptase will indeed unblock a completely blocked artery, then that 
would be great. I just don't see how it could though.  Maybe even when they 
are considered completely blocked, they still have a very small amount of 
flow through them.


Marshall


Trem wrote:

Steve,
 I have a complete blockage on the left side  and had an endarterectomy 
several years ago but it's still blocked above the repair site.  I was 
and am hoping to somehow dissolve the blockage before I croak.  sure hope 
it works so I take it t20,000 units twice daily.

 Trem

- Original Message -
 *From:* Norton, Steve <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:01 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation

I agree.
l was commenting on the post about Nattokinase for a partial
carotid artery blockage.
- Steve N

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*From*: Trem mailto:t...@silvergen.com>>
*To*: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>>
*Sent*: Sun Aug 23 14:46:19 2009
*Subject*: Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation

Hi Steve,
 I think Serrapeptase is best for cleaning plaque out.  Here's a
link showing Hans Niepers work many tears ago. 
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/enzyme/serrapeptase.pdf

 Trem

- Original Message -
*From:* Norton, Steve <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation

Nattokinese could be more effective in that specific instance
because it dissolves blood clots and not because it dissolves
arterial plaque. I believe it does not dissolve arterial plaque.
- Steve N


*From*: Dorothy Fitzpatrick mailto:d...@deetroy.org>>
*To*: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>>
*Sent*: Sun Aug 23 13:49:10 2009
*Subject*: Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation

I'm not sure about nattokinese either sol, as I read Dr Wong
on this and he didn't like the blood thinning properties of
it.  dee

On 23 Aug 2009, at 19:04, sol wrote:


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve?

I'm not Steve, but I have a friend who has tried Serrapeptase
but gets better results with Nattokinase. (she has some kind
of partial carotid artery blockage).
sol


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Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Trem]

Steve,

I have a complete blockage on the left side  and had an endarterectomy several 
years ago but it's still blocked above the repair site.  I was and am hoping to 
somehow dissolve the blockage before I croak.  sure hope it works so I take it 
t20,000 units twice daily.

Trem
  - Original Message - 

  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:01 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation


  I agree. 
  l was commenting on the post about Nattokinase for a partial carotid artery 
blockage.
  - Steve N



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  From: Trem  
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com  
  Sent: Sun Aug 23 14:46:19 2009
  Subject: Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation 


  Hi Steve,

  I think Serrapeptase is best for cleaning plaque out.  Here's a link showing 
Hans Niepers work many tears ago.  
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/enzyme/serrapeptase.pdf

  Trem
- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation


Nattokinese could be more effective in that specific instance because it 
dissolves blood clots and not because it dissolves arterial plaque. I believe 
it does not dissolve arterial plaque. 
- Steve N




From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com  
Sent: Sun Aug 23 13:49:10 2009
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation 


I'm not sure about nattokinese either sol, as I read Dr Wong on this and he 
didn't like the blood thinning properties of it.  dee 


On 23 Aug 2009, at 19:04, sol wrote:


  Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve? 

  I'm not Steve, but I have a friend who has tried Serrapeptase but gets 
better results with Nattokinase. (she has some kind of partial carotid artery 
blockage).
  sol


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Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Trem]

Hi Steve,

I think Serrapeptase is best for cleaning plaque out.  Here's a link showing 
Hans Niepers work many tears ago.  
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/enzyme/serrapeptase.pdf

Trem
  - Original Message - 
  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:30 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation


  Nattokinese could be more effective in that specific instance because it 
dissolves blood clots and not because it dissolves arterial plaque. I believe 
it does not dissolve arterial plaque. 
  - Steve N



--
  From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick  
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com  
  Sent: Sun Aug 23 13:49:10 2009
  Subject: Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation 


  I'm not sure about nattokinese either sol, as I read Dr Wong on this and he 
didn't like the blood thinning properties of it.  dee


  On 23 Aug 2009, at 19:04, sol wrote:


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

  Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve? 

I'm not Steve, but I have a friend who has tried Serrapeptase but gets 
better results with Nattokinase. (she has some kind of partial carotid artery 
blockage).
sol


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Re: CS>MS

[Trem]

Hi Folks,

We had several people tell us the symptoms went away and they were able to 
resume normal activities after taking copious amounts of CS..  I don't recall 
dosage but think they took a pint or more daily orally.  At the time I thought 
the results were very encouraging and so stated to anyone calling and asking if 
 CS would help MS.  

Trem
www.sivergen.com


  - Original Message - 
  From: Leslie 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:39 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>MS


  Hi, I remember Nancy and will see if I can locate her emails. My sister had 
this before I knew much but was searching and searching back then. One thing 
for sure is to stop diet drinks and take as much CS as possible via mouth until 
you find out otherwise.

  I will be praying as I seem to do better doing that as I am a BELIEVER. 

  Leslie


- Original Message - 
From: ROBERT SMITH 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: CS>MS


 
I have a 30 year old grandson who was recently diagnosed as having MS.  
Before I unsubscribed several years ago a lady named Nancy had claimed benefits 
for Ms using EIS by IV.  My grandson lives in Minneapolis.  Does anyone know if 
the IV with silver is available in his area?  Bob Smith

Re: CS>Serrapeptase

[Trem]

Yes, it was me.  Took 15 pills twice daily and after two weeks I stroked.  
Wanted to clean my pipes and did it too quickly.  The chunk that broke loose 
blocked flow to my right temporal lobe and toasted it.  Looks like a white egg 
on X-rays now.  Dead brain parts look white.  

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: sms 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:35 AM
  Subject: CS>Serrapeptase


Dianne,
I have used Serrapeptase now, on and off, for years.  The brand I am 
currently using is Doctor's Best.
One capsule is 40,000 units.  The directions say to take up to three a 
day, but I always only take one a day and get results.  I use them to eliminate 
spider veins.  It does this beautifully.

I forget who; but, someone on this list (was it Trem?) who overdosed 
and caused much medical grief to himself.  This is a product you do not want to 
overdose on, but instead use with caution.  This product really works to 
eliminate clogged veins and arteries.  If they are in a weakened state, I can 
only imagine what would happen.  Please google Serrapeptase and read up on it 
before you provide it to your husband, especially with by-pass surgery.

Maybe the others will chime in here on this.
S-Max  



On 11 Aug 2009, at 12:51, Dianne France wrote:


Group
 
When you start taking this supplement is there any danger at starting 
at full dose?  It helps clean out arteries from what I've read and I know you 
have discussed this but at the time
we weren't taking it.
 
Could it loosen to much plaque at the beginning I guess is what I was 
asking?  Would starting at a lower dose and building up be more advisable?  
Since my husband had by-pass surgery we try to be very careful with his 
supplements.  I would like to take it for the anti-inflamatory action.  I don't 
have any problems that I know of in the artery area.
 
Dianne  
  
   

Re: CS>1. Current Info on CS vs MRSA 2. Where are Lung Volume Reduction Surgery and or Endobronchial Valve Placement procedures being performed?

[Trem]

Here's an in-vitro study.  
http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2004-12-22.php

Trem
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Holmes 
  To: Silver-List 
  Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 2:58 PM
  Subject: CS>1. Current Info on CS vs MRSA 2. Where are Lung Volume Reduction 
Surgery and or Endobronchial Valve Placement procedures being performed?


  Hello all,

  1.  Can anyone help with current information, either anecdotal or formal, 
regarding the current status of CS in the treatment of Methylicillin resistant 
Staph Aureus?  I am interested in the "official": and "alternative" positions 
on the subject.

  Can anyone refer me to a protocol? 

  2.  Does anyone know how to search England, Scotland, Ireland, or Russia for 
hospitals that perform either Lung Volume Reduction Surgery, or placement of 
Endobronchial Valves for treatment of advanced Emphysema?  The person for whom 
I am doing this search needs help soon.  

  Any recommendations or tips will be greatly appreciated.

  Jim 

Re: CS>Fw: [Ntl_news] Wayne Fugitt

[Trem]

I still lurk but am mostly silent.  Been on the list for about eleven years. 
Wayne and I were going to speak on the phone several times about personal 
issues but we just couldn't seem to connect orally so we used the keyboard. 
Great source of knowledge!


Trem
www.silvergen.com



- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Fw: [Ntl_news] Wayne Fugitt


I will truly miss him. He was a character, very knowledgeable, and very 
willing to share what he knew.  Of the old timers here, I think we are now 
down to only Ode, and myself.


Marshall

slickpic...@cox.net wrote:

Damn.  What a character!


 Deborah Gerard  wrote:
=


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From: marj...@wildblue.net 
Subject: [Ntl_news] Wayne Fugitt
To: ntl_n...@tcbunch.com
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 9:52 PM





 It is with deep regret that I inform everyone of the passing this 
morning of Mr Wayne Fugitt. He passed away sitting at his computer.

He was my friend and will be missed.
Truman McManus
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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Trem]

Right on, Jim.

Trem

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Holmes 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:23 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory


  Ask him to try the sol in broth, not plated media. 


  On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Dan Nave  wrote:

I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I
met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist.  I happened to
have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was
willing to do some tests of it's effectivity.  I have included his
response below.  If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it
properly, please let me know.  Also, any relevant reference as well.

He says:

"I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we
use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics.  I created a lawn of
bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of
the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused
through the bacteria and into the agar medium.   None of the 9 most
commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition.  The
organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL),
Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,
Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus
pneumoniae.

 "I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no
inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the
bottle you provided.  I am wondering whether in vivo there is another
mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique.
I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please
pass them on."


Thanks,

Dan


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CS>Swine Flu

[Trem]

This was sent to me and I thought list members might have interest.  I did a 
little spell checking.

Trem

Swine Flu

Below you will find a letter for action to prevent our govenment and 
state officials to force you to be vacinated for the swine flu, as mandatory 
requierment-by law. Please take a moment to read and send your respond at the 
link below.



Many of you may already be receiving notification of a law making swine 
flu vaccination mandatory for 190 countries, of course, including the US.

This absolutely biologically, abusive and a dangerous vaccine being 
mandated by the WHO has the potential to cause  a great deal of harm.
Will WHO Mandate a "Swine Flu" Vaccine?
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swHUfACaRN8



PLEASE be diligent about this and check it out for yourself and do what 
feels right to you. It seems urgent and time sensitive. If there is enough of 
an upsurge, there are allies in Congress who will set an alternative 
legislation in place to have self shielding as an option.they would need to 
hear from us and know this is what we want though in order for this to happen. 
Right now it is vaccinate or be quarantined.



One way to let congress know is to go to this link

  
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275 

where at the bottom of the page you will find a letter you can send, it 
is fast and easy or just write your own letter to congress, it the NSF letter 
does not support your needs or express your attitudes.



Please take action either way and let others know about this in your 
own networks.



My understanding is that in the UK they already have laws for mandatory 
vaccination. If the WHO mandates this then all 194 countries who are 
signatories under their umbrella will be compelled to follow their mandate. 
Follow the money trail, follow your instincts and please do something in order 
that you be heard loud and clear if this does not sit well with you. Check the 
laws already in place in Hawaii and you may be surprised to see our police 
force can be mandated to carry out the Dept of Health's bidding regarding 
quarantining. Others laws are also getting air time, but so far have not been 
passed. 



Let's not be unprepared, let's do what we can now to set up outcomes we 
feel good about for our future. 



To our health and freedom of choice.



Mony Vital, Ph.D.



 

Re: CS>Tyndall

[Trem]

Jean,

Take a look here  http://www.silvergen.com/Tyndall.htm

Trem

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Tyndall


It can be quite faint. Did you try it with the lights off? If you get none 
even with lights off, I would question whether you have any CS at all.


Marshall

Jean Baugh wrote:

Hi,

I have a question about the Tyndall effect.  I can't get one using a red
laser beam even after my machine cuts off.

Does anyone know what might be the problem?  At one time the colloidal
silver had no problem with this but now it does.

Thank you,

Jean

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Re: CS>CS Website and .05 Generator

[trem]

Exactly, Marshall,  I found aggressive water movement is required to prevent 
agglomeration.  The  product is then mostly ionic.


Trem



- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS Website and .05 Generator


I have not found that reversing polarity eliminates the need for stirring. 
They address different problems, reversing polarity stops the buildup of 
silver particles adn silver oxide on the plates, and the stirring avoids 
excessive aggregation.


Marshall

Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
Trem is the one to reply to this in detail, but I it's the SG6 that has 
the stirrer (I have an old model, in which the stirrer doesn't stop 
though the current does).The SG7 claims reverse-current eliminates 
need for stirring I think.




On Friday, Jun 5, 2009, at 01:40 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:

In fact looking at the picture it does not even appear to have a 
stirrer, which would make it actually a step backwards from competing 
units such as the SG7.



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CS>Healthy heart and silver

[trem]

Silver helps keep your heart healthy.   You'll have to cut and paste the whole 
link into your browser.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=RSSFeed-India&id=8c2919cd-f6e6-4761-83d0-3f542a9c8ed9&MatchID1=4932&TeamID1=7&TeamID2=8&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1247&PrimaryID=4932&Headline=Power+of+silver+can+keep+the+doctor+away

Re: CS>Serrapeptese

[trem]

Re: CS>SerrapepteseSteve,

Yes, that's why I said it was me.  I was responding to your post about someone 
stroking after taking large amounts of serrapeptase.

I still take BP meds to keep it controlled.  Still think Nieper had the right 
idea.  Too bad I didn't take it easy.  Still hoping it'll clear my blocked 
carotid and but think the two chances are "slim and none"  Would be happy if it 
cleaned out the small pipes.


Trem 


  - Original Message - 
  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:49 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Serrapeptese


  Trem,

  Did you ever happen to post a testamonial of your experience with 
serrapeptase somewhere? I am wondering if the testimonial I had once seen but 
can no longer find was you. It was one reason I decided to go slow with 
serrapeptase. How is your BP now? Has serrapeptase affected it that you know? I 
hope it is helping now. It took courage to continue using serrapeptase after 
the stroke.

   - Steve N


  On Tues, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Trem Williams
  wrote:

  Hi Steve,

  That was me.  I started taking 300,000 units daily thinking it might clean my 
pipes out and lower my pressure.  I was taking BP lowering meds.  I had taken 
18 chelation sessions for the problem and it didn't help so I started the 
serrapeptase.   I figured if some is good, more is better.  Bad thought.  It 
was too much

  Within two weeks I stroked and lost my right temporal lobe.  I don't feel any 
worse but my wife says I am.  Lost some hearing and visual acccuity but I'm 
almost 76 so I take it as a sign of aging.

  I have been taking 30,000 units twice daily for a year or two now with the 
same thought that it might clean my pipes.  Dr. Hans Nieper in Germany used it 
to clean carotid blockage and had wonderful results many years ago.  I had 100% 
blockage on my left carotid so went for an Endarterectomy.  Am hoping the 
serrapeptase works on my right side which was blocked 70% at the time of 
surgery.

  Best regards,

  Trem Williams
  customer_serv...@silvergen.com 

CS>Serrapeptese

[trem]

Hi Steve,

That was me.  I started taking 300,000 units daily thinking it might clean my 
pipes out and lower my pressure.  I was taking BP lowering meds.  I had taken 
18 chelation sessions for the problem and it didn't help so I started the 
serrapeptase.   I figured if some is good, more is better.  Bad thought.  It 
was too much

Within two weeks I stroked and lost my right temporal lobe.  I don't feel any 
worse but my wife says I am.  Lost some hearing and visual acccuity but I'm 
almost 76 so I take it as a sign of aging.

I have been taking 30,000 units twice daily for a year or two now with the same 
thought that it might clean my pipes.  Dr. Hans Nieper in Germany used it to 
clean carotid blockage and had wonderful results many years ago.  I had 100% 
blockage on my left carotid so went for an Endarterectomy.  Am hoping the 
serrapeptase works on my right side which was blocked 70% at the time of 
surgery.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:52 AM
  Subject: RE: CS>Serrapeptase update?


  Yes, there was one person here who reported he had a stroke after taking 
fairly large amounts of serrapeptase but wasn't positive the serrapeptase was 
the cause. Also, I hade come across a similar report in an online testimonial 
somewhere but a Google search turned up nothing. Yes, I take one daily but it 
has now been 9  or 10 months and yes I was expecting results to take time. 
Maybe I was too cautious? 
   - Steve N


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  From: Linda Ellis [mailto:lellis4...@sbcglobal.net] 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:42 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>Serrapeptase update?


  Hmmm, I'd like to hear more from others taking Serrapeptase.  When I first 
got interested, there was at least one person who reported that, using the 
"more is better" theory, s/he had taken some high doses for a few months, but 
thought a stroke may have been the result.  Steve, I recall your dosage is 
about what I'm doing (which, to clarify, is at least one per day - sometimes 
two).  Am I right, or did I misunderstand?  I actually started with three a 
day, and backed off after the posted reports of some difficulties, but could 
easily go back up, if I felt there was justification for the change.

  Linda 
  The Truly Educated Never Graduate





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  From: "marmar...@bellsouth.net" 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:35:01 AM
  Subject: CS>Serrapeptase update?


  Regarding Serrapeptase -- my husband's been on it for a couple of months (he 
has lung issues we're hoping will be helped).  He was told that you need to 
start with a loading dose that was quite large.  The original brand contained 
either 10,000 or 20,000 mg. -- and he was advised to take four capsules, four 
times a day.  For a couple of weeks -- and then to start reducing.  We're now 
getting it from Puritan's Pride -- their capsules are 90,000 mg. and he's 
taking three capsules per day.  He believes that he's breathing a little bit 
better, and he hasn't had any negative side efffects.  So, I'm not sure that 
one capsule *most days* is gonna do you a lot of good, Linda.  Or at least, 
it's probably gonna take a long, long time.  FWIW
  MA
-- Original message from Linda Ellis 
: -- 


Linda,
I have been wondering how your Serrapeptase use is going. I realize that it 
is too early to tell real results. I know I went for months vasilating between 
yes the cyst was smaller and no it wasn't smaller until there could be no 
mistaking the change. In your case the change may be even more difficult to 
tell. But have you seen anything unexpected or any sensitivity to the 
Serrapeptase?
 - Steve N 



Hi, Steve.  I've been taking at least one capsule a day since Thanksgiving, 
so I'm pretty sure it's too early to tell anything.  I have committed to 18 
months of consistent use before I will make my own decision.  As you'll recall, 
I'm mostly interested in whether there's any effect on old skin scars.  I have 
some "base" measurements on a couple of scars - both those that show absence of 
pigment, and a few which are dark-pigmented scars.  I don't see anything yet.  
I haven't taken my blood pressure since I started this, but I know I was 
running a bit elevated, at 140/90.  I'll get on that one of these days. 



I'll be sure to post if I notice any changes.



Linda 
The Truly Educated Never Graduate 

Re: CS>Anyone Know of a natural Plaque buster???

[trem]

Re: CS>Anyone Know of a natural Plaque buster???Hello Steve and anyone else 
considering Serrapeptase use,

Be careful with Serrapeptase.  I had high blood pressure several years  ago and 
decided to get chelation with the thought it would  remove some of the plaque 
in my pipes and help lower it.  After 18 IV  EDTA sessions I didn't notice any 
change so decided to try Serrapeptase to clan my pipes.  Thinking "if some is 
good, more is better" I started to take 30 pills a day at 10,000 units per 
pill.  Two weeks later (August 2005) I had a stroke and lost my right temporal 
lobe.  I believe the Serrapeptase dislodged a chunk of plaque and that caused 
the stroke.  Apparently it really works well but in my case too well.

I use Smart Nutrition brand from  www.smartnutrition.info and now take two 
pills twice a day.  Still have to take BP meds too but I think the enzyme is 
working.

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams

  - Original Message - 
  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:47 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Anyone Know of a natural Plaque buster???


  I have a condition that may be caused by plaque build-up and so I have 
investigated plaque removal. There are several intravenious (IV) methods - EDTA 
and H2O2 IV. But there are 2 non IV that are effective - oral EDTA and 
Serrapeptase. Oral EDTA is slower than IV since only 5 to 20 percent of EDTA 
taken orally actually enters the bloodstream. I have both but am only using the 
Serrapeptase right now. Serrapeptase works slowly. It takes 12 to 18 months to 
clean the plaque from the arterial walls. But slow is what you want - you don't 
want piecies of plaque breaking away and causing blockages. Interestingly, the 
Serrapeptase is also disolving a large cyst on my scalp. I had read that 
Serrapeptase disolves cysts but I really didn't expect that any supplement 
could actually affect one as large as the one I have. It is not yet gone but it 
is fairly small now.
  When using Serrapeptase blood tests will show increase levels of cholesterol. 
This is normal - the additional cholesterol is the plaque dissolved by the 
Serrapeptase. The additional cholesterol is then removed by the liver.
  One other benefit of Serrapeptase is its ability to dissolve dead tissue and 
scarring material. My sister has a lung condition that causes scaring in the 
lung. She uses Serrapeptase to remove the scarring. Just after starting 
Serrapeptase my sister noticed nodules in her feces. Concerned, she went to a 
specialist and he found precancerous nodules, some as large as an inch, in her 
colon and removed them. She feels that the Serrapeptase has already saved her 
life because she is too young for scheduled colonoscopies and it would have 
been discovered too late.
  If your friend uses EDTA, use the calcium form of EDTA.
  Good luck,
Steve

  - Original Message -
  From: Teri  Kavakos 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Fri Nov 14 06:23:20 2008
  Subject: CS>Anyone Know of a natural Plaque buster???

  A family friend who is just 50 has had several heart attacks and he mass
  produces plaque does anyone have any info on natural things he can do to
  break up this plaque???

  Teri


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Re: CS>CS for cataracts?

[trem]

Hi Sol,

What are you seeing or not seeing?  I'm 75 and vision and hearing are 
starting to fade.  Specially vision.  Unless the ambient light is strong I 
cannot read or see detail well.  Once the light level decreases such as 
coming in from outside it can take 15 minutes to start recognizing anything 
in a dimly lit area.


GUESS I should see an eye doc.

Trem

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From: "sol" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 6:29 PM
Subject: CS>CS for cataracts?


Anybody remember the recipe for CS eye drops with MSM or DMSO or both to 
clear cataracts?
Any details of how many times a day to use, or how much MSM to add to the 
CS?


Other suggestions for getting rid of cataracts? Apparently if I don't do 
something that works, I'm looking at cataract surgery in a couple years, 
and I'd sure like to avoid that.

sol


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Re: CS>YELLOW SILVER

[trem]

Not that it makes any difference but most of what is on that page was lifted 
from our site.

Trem 

www.silvergen.com

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  From: m1mar...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:31 AM
  Subject: CS>YELLOW SILVER


  http://www.tuberose.com/Colloidal_Silver.html





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Re: CS>Stem cells (was something else)

[trem]

Andy,

I wasn't familiar with that information.  The link is so good I put it in our 
Links and Resources  DON'T MISS THESE  section today.  Thanks.

Best regards,

Trem 
www.silvergen.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: ascottsil...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:15 PM
  Subject: CS>Stem cells (was something else)


  Hi Ode, Marshall, et al;

  This discussion reminded me of how Robert O Becker (not to be confused with 
Bob Beck) used electricity and silver to create primitive stem cells that were 
used in the regeneration of a severed finger. I know you guys are familiar with 
the story but I will include a link to the article for others who might not be.

  Best regards,
  Andy

  http://www.rexresearch.com/becker/becker1.htm

CS>Silver resistant bacteria

[trem]

Saw this on one of lists I'm subscribed to.

Trem




Hi everyone,

When looking up some information about a bacteria, I came across some 
information at PubMed about silver resistance genes. There were actually 
several bacteria mentioned in article titles - Salmonella, E. coli, Serratia. 
There may be more, especially among enteric (intestinal) bacteria. This 
information does not seem to be common knowledge in the althealth 
community...so if colloidal silver is not working for you or someone you know, 
resistance may be part of the reason why.

Here is information from one article abstract, PubMed number 12829274. There 
are also a number of related articles available.

Bacterial silver resistance: molecular biology and uses and misuses of silver 
compounds.
FEMS Microbiol Rev. 2003 Jun;27(2-3):341-53

Resistance to silver compounds as determined by bacterial plasmids and genes 
has been defined by molecular genetics. Silver resistance conferred by the 
Salmonella plasmid pMGH100 involves nine genes in three transcription 
units...[snip]...Of 70 random enteric isolates from a local hospital, isolates 
from catheters and other Ag-exposed sites, and total genomes of enteric 
bacteria, 10 have recognizable sil genes. The centrally located six genes are 
found and functional in the chromosome of Escherichia coli K-12, and also occur 
on the genome of E. coli O157:H7. The use of molecular epidemiological tools 
will establish the range and diversity of such resistance systems in clinical 
and non-clinical sources. Silver compounds are used widely as effective 
antimicrobial agents to combat pathogens (bacteria, viruses and eukaryotic 
microorganisms) in the clinic and for public health hygiene. Silver cations 
(Ag+) are microcidal at low concentrations and used to treat burns, wounds and 
ulcers. Ag is used to coat catheters to retard microbial biofilm development. 
Ag is used in hygiene products including face creams, "alternative medicine" 
health supplements, supermarket products for washing vegetables, and water 
filtration cartridges. Ag is generally without adverse effects for humans, and 
argyria (irreversible discoloration of the skin resulting from subepithelial 
silver deposits) is rare and mostly of cosmetic concern.

Best wishes,
Char
www.dnafrequencies.com

CS>Solar Distiller

[trem]

Hi folks,

Check this solar still.  Saw it in Nexus Magazine today.  
http://watercone.com/product.html  Couldn't be more simple.  Cheap too.

Trem 
www.silvergen.com