CS>Live Bacteria
Hello All: I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. The doctor was surprised at this. They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Live Bacteria
Dr. Kenney, I have a GB 4000 Rife generator but have not used it so far. I am also a semi-amateur mycologist, having grown several varieties of mushrooms commercially so am conversant with culturing Petri plates. Tell me how you physically made contact with the culture plate using the Rife generator? Did you immerse electrodes into the media or use a radiation plasma tube to bombard the organism? Thanks for your feedback Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: "David W Kenney" To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:13 AM Subject: RE: CS>Live Bacteria > I would suggest finding a Dr. who will use CS intravenously. Perhaps some > of the contributors know one in your area. Otherwise, look for a qualified > ND. > Secondly...enterococcus and most if not all bacterial organisms are killed > quickly by a quality "rife" machine. I am doing a study on every living > pathogen I can get my hands on with the rife frequencies. My first was a > fungi...trichophyton mentagrophytes. I treated first for general fungous > frequencies...no results. Then for microsporum sp. No results. Then I > treated for the specific trichophyton frequencies...killed in less than 10 > minutes. You can see this on the culture plate very obviously. So...if you > have the right frequencies...it is devastating. > Since you can get live cultures of enterococcus...you could do several > subcultures and easily narrow down the exact frequencies for your > organism... Once known...you could be cured of this organism in > minutes...and be left only with the damage the organism caused which would > need to heal. > Remember, as with any therapy...you need to be on a great diet with all the > required minerals... In other words...give you body the building blocks it > requires to heal... > Dr. Dave Kenney --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.776 / Virus Database: 523 - Release Date: 10/12/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
Bacteria would not exit the body through the bladder. She must have a bladder infection. Since CS ends up in the urine within an hour or two of ingestion it should help. Cranberry juice and Vit C will acidify the urine and also assist. Lots of water to flush as well. Garnet On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:24, William Amos wrote: > Hello All: > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > The doctor was surprised at this. > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. > > Bill Amos > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
I talked to the lady again today and she said there were 3 live viruses that appeared in the test. E-coli, staph and one other that she couldn't remember. The test mentioned 100,000 units ofeach. The Doctor mentioned that it was unusual for these types of live bacteria to show up in the urine test I second the motion about a new doctor...those types of bacteria in bladder infections aren't unusual at all, they are the most typical culprits. E. coli is probably the single most common bacteria causing bladder/urinary tract infections, and Staph (Staphylococcus) is a close runner up. E. coli occurs because of fecal contamination... and Staph is present on your skin and everywhere. and with those very high colony counts of over 100,000, those aren't likely at all to be lab errors. Denise - Original Message - From: "William Amos" To: Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:51 PM Subject: CS>Re:Re: CS>Live Bacteria Hi Garnet: I talked to the lady again today and she said there were 3 live viruses that appeared in the test. E-coli, staph and one other that she couldn't remember. The test mentioned 100,000 units ofeach. The Doctor mentioned that it was unusual for these types of live bacteria to show up in the urine test. Bill Amos -- Bacteria would not exit the body through the bladder. She must have a bladder infection. Since CS ends up in the urine within an hour or two of ingestion it should help. Cranberry juice and Vit C will acidify the urine and also assist. Lots of water to flush as well. Garnet On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:24, William Amos wrote: Hello All: I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. The doctor was surprised at this. They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
<LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. The doctor was surprised at this. They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good.>> The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they do a urine culture and sensitivity. Dead bacteria don't cause infection, dead bacteria would not grow on a culture. What the heck kind of doctor is this??? If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show up in the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive reaction (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) in the urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of bacteria, from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on, but I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I said they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria were live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect on the bacteria whatsoever. Denise - Original Message - From: "William Amos" To: Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM Subject: CS>Live Bacteria Hello All: I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. The doctor was surprised at this. They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
I thought it was excreted in the urine within an hour? Maybe you have to drink a lot. It could also be infused via a urinary catheter as in DMSO therapy for cystitis. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:15, nancymike wrote: > Unfortunately CS doesn't quite get to the bladder to kill the bacteria > there. I have found great help from d Mannose. > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "Denise Every" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > < of > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > The doctor was surprised at this. > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good.>> > > > > > > The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an > > infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they do > a > > urine culture and sensitivity. Dead bacteria don't cause infection, dead > > bacteria would not grow on a culture. What the heck kind of doctor is > > this??? > > > > If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show up > in > > the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive > reaction > > (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) in > the > > urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of > bacteria, > > from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on, > but > > I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I said > > they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria were > > live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect on > > the bacteria whatsoever. > > > > Denise > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "William Amos" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM > > Subject: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > > > > Hello All: > > > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. > > > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. > > > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass > of > > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > > The doctor was surprised at this. > > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. > > > > > > Bill Amos > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
Unfortunately CS doesn't quite get to the bladder to kill the bacteria there. I have found great help from d Mannose. Nancy - Original Message - From: "Denise Every" To: Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:02 PM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > < LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > The doctor was surprised at this. > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good.>> > > > The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an > infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they do a > urine culture and sensitivity. Dead bacteria don't cause infection, dead > bacteria would not grow on a culture. What the heck kind of doctor is > this??? > > If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show up in > the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive reaction > (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) in the > urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of bacteria, > from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on, but > I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I said > they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria were > live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect on > the bacteria whatsoever. > > Denise > > > > - Original Message - > From: "William Amos" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM > Subject: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > Hello All: > > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. > > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. > > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > The doctor was surprised at this. > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. > > > > Bill Amos > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >
CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Hi Joni: Thanks to Dr. Kenney, Garnet and others on the list that have taken their time to give their input on this problem, I believe that there is help. It is your decision to try the Colloidal Silver, and as you have read, it has helped many. I will keep the list informed on the young lady that I mentioned with the same problem. Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
I am new to this list, I wrote something, but never saw a reply in regard to my history. But, this topic I am seeing involving the bladder is exactly what I am going through. I am getting nothing resolved. I have mentioned CS to my doctors but none have listened, I am allergic to many of the antibiotics and this infection has reached my kidneys and seems resistant to everything that has been tried. I am going back today, very concerned, the bacteria that grew colonies is entercoccus. Any suggestions, appreciated. joni Original Message Follows From: Garnet Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Silver List Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:10:09 -0500 I thought it was excreted in the urine within an hour? Maybe you have to drink a lot. It could also be infused via a urinary catheter as in DMSO therapy for cystitis. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:15, nancymike wrote: > Unfortunately CS doesn't quite get to the bladder to kill the bacteria > there. I have found great help from d Mannose. > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "Denise Every" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > <mass > of > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > The doctor was surprised at this. > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good.>> > > > > > > The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an > > infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they do > a > > urine culture and sensitivity. Dead bacteria don't cause infection, dead > > bacteria would not grow on a culture. What the heck kind of doctor is > > this??? > > > > If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show up > in > > the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive > reaction > > (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) in > the > > urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of > bacteria, > > from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on, > but > > I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I said > > they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria were > > live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect on > > the bacteria whatsoever. > > > > Denise > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "William Amos" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM > > Subject: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > > > > Hello All: > > > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. > > > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. > > > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass > of > > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > > The doctor was surprised at this. > > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. > > > > > > Bill Amos > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove
RE: CS>Live Bacteria
I would suggest finding a Dr. who will use CS intravenously. Perhaps some of the contributors know one in your area. Otherwise, look for a qualified ND. Secondly...enterococcus and most if not all bacterial organisms are killed quickly by a quality "rife" machine. I am doing a study on every living pathogen I can get my hands on with the rife frequencies. My first was a fungi...trichophyton mentagrophytes. I treated first for general fungous frequencies...no results. Then for microsporum sp. No results. Then I treated for the specific trichophyton frequencies...killed in less than 10 minutes. You can see this on the culture plate very obviously. So...if you have the right frequencies...it is devastating. Since you can get live cultures of enterococcus...you could do several subcultures and easily narrow down the exact frequencies for your organism... Once known...you could be cured of this organism in minutes...and be left only with the damage the organism caused which would need to heal. Remember, as with any therapy...you need to be on a great diet with all the required minerals... In other words...give you body the building blocks it requires to heal... Dr. Dave Kenney I am new to this list, I wrote something, but never saw a reply in regard to my history. But, this topic I am seeing involving the bladder is exactly what I am going through. I am getting nothing resolved. I have mentioned CS to my doctors but none have listened, I am allergic to many of the antibiotics and this infection has reached my kidneys and seems resistant to everything that has been tried. I am going back today, very concerned, the bacteria that grew colonies is entercoccus. Any suggestions, appreciated. joni Original Message Follows From: Garnet Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Silver List Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:10:09 -0500 I thought it was excreted in the urine within an hour? Maybe you have to drink a lot. It could also be infused via a urinary catheter as in DMSO therapy for cystitis. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:15, nancymike wrote: > Unfortunately CS doesn't quite get to the bladder to kill the bacteria > there. I have found great help from d Mannose. > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "Denise Every" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > < of > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > The doctor was surprised at this. > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good.>> > > > > > > The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an > > infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they do > a > > urine culture and sensitivity. Dead bacteria don't cause infection, dead > > bacteria would not grow on a culture. What the heck kind of doctor is > > this??? > > > > If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show up > in > > the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive > reaction > > (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) in > the > > urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of > bacteria, > > from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on, > but > > I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I said > > they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria were > > live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect on > > the bacteria whatsoever. > > > > Denise > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "William Amos" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM > > Subject: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > > > > Hello All: > > > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. > > > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. > > > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass > of > > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > > The doctor was surprised at this. > > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. > > > > > > Bill Amos > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
Bladder infections apparently respond very well to irrigation with EIS according to previous posts on this list. Simply reverse flush using a basting bulb or nasal bulb. Marshall Joni Lovegrove wrote: > I am new to this list, I wrote something, but never saw a reply in regard to > my history. But, this topic I am seeing involving the bladder is exactly > what I am going through. I am getting nothing resolved. I have mentioned > CS to my doctors but none have listened, I am allergic to many of the > antibiotics and this infection has reached my kidneys and seems resistant to > everything that has been tried. I am going back today, very concerned, the > bacteria that grew colonies is entercoccus. Any suggestions, appreciated. > joni > > Original Message Follows > From: Garnet > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > To: Silver List > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:10:09 -0500 > > I thought it was excreted in the urine within an hour? Maybe you have to > drink a lot. It could also be infused via a urinary catheter as in DMSO > therapy for cystitis. > > Garnet > > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:15, nancymike wrote: > > Unfortunately CS doesn't quite get to the bladder to kill the bacteria > > there. I have found great help from d Mannose. > > Nancy > > - Original Message - > > From: "Denise Every" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:02 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > > > > < mass > > of > > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > > The doctor was surprised at this. > > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's > good.>> > > > > > > > > > The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an > > > infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they > do > > a > > > urine culture and sensitivity. Dead bacteria don't cause infection, > dead > > > bacteria would not grow on a culture. What the heck kind of doctor is > > > this??? > > > > > > If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show > up > > in > > > the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive > > reaction > > > (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) > in > > the > > > urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of > > bacteria, > > > from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on, > > but > > > I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I > said > > > they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria > were > > > live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect > on > > > the bacteria whatsoever. > > > > > > Denise > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "William Amos" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM > > > Subject: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > > > > > > > Hello All: > > > > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. > > > > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. > > > > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large > mass > > of > > > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > > > The doctor was surprised at this. > > > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's > good. > > > > > > > > Bill Amos > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
It only takes a few drops of 20 ppm CS to take care of any bladder infection within seconds of application with the use of a catheter and fighting it from the other end. I've been there and done that. Dave nancymike wrote: Unfortunately CS doesn't quite get to the bladder to kill the bacteria there. I have found great help from d Mannose. Nancy - Original Message - From: "Denise Every" To: Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:02 PM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria < of LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. The doctor was surprised at this. They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good.>> The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they do a urine culture and sensitivity. Dead bacteria don't cause infection, dead bacteria would not grow on a culture. What the heck kind of doctor is this??? If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show up in the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive reaction (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) in the urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of bacteria, from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on, but I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I said they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria were live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect on the bacteria whatsoever. Denise - Original Message - From: "William Amos" To: Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM Subject: CS>Live Bacteria Hello All: I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. The doctor was surprised at this. They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Regarding the "right frequencies": it seems to me that laypersons attempting to use a Rife device might do well do choose very low frequencies which would carry the harmonics of various other frequencies, or seek a device that would cycle through a wide range of frequencies. I am a novice but have used electro-medicine (a TENS unit placed over the arteries) with tremendous results on several occasions, mainly to clear the lungs of infection.I was and remain amazed by the results. I assume that you are writing about genuine Rife units using some kind of gas tubes? Maybe this should go OT, but I think many members will be keenly interested in your research and would be glad to follow your postings on this topic. JBB On Monday, Oct 25, 2004, at 23:13 Asia/Tokyo, David W Kenney wrote: I would suggest finding a Dr. who will use CS intravenously. Perhaps some of the contributors know one in your area. Otherwise, look for a qualified ND. Secondly...enterococcus and most if not all bacterial organisms are killed quickly by a quality "rife" machine. I am doing a study on every living pathogen I can get my hands on with the rife frequencies. My first was a fungi...trichophyton mentagrophytes. I treated first for general fungous frequencies...no results. Then for microsporum sp. No results. Then I treated for the specific trichophyton frequencies...killed in less than 10 minutes. You can see this on the culture plate very obviously. So...if you have the right frequencies...it is devastating. Since you can get live cultures of enterococcus...you could do several subcultures and easily narrow down the exact frequencies for your organism... Once known...you could be cured of this organism in minutes...and be left only with the damage the organism caused which would need to heal. Remember, as with any therapy...you need to be on a great diet with all the required minerals... In other words...give you body the building blocks it requires to heal... Dr. Dave Kenney I am new to this list, I wrote something, but never saw a reply in regard to my history. But, this topic I am seeing involving the bladder is exactly what I am going through. I am getting nothing resolved. I have mentioned CS to my doctors but none have listened, I am allergic to many of the antibiotics and this infection has reached my kidneys and seems resistant to everything that has been tried. I am going back today, very concerned, the bacteria that grew colonies is entercoccus. Any suggestions, appreciated. joni Original Message Follows From: Garnet Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Silver List Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:10:09 -0500 I thought it was excreted in the urine within an hour? Maybe you have to drink a lot. It could also be infused via a urinary catheter as in DMSO therapy for cystitis. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:15, nancymike wrote: Unfortunately CS doesn't quite get to the bladder to kill the bacteria there. I have found great help from d Mannose. Nancy - Original Message - From: "Denise Every" To: Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:02 PM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria < mass of LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. The doctor was surprised at this. They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good.>> The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they do a urine culture and sensitivity. Dead bacteria don't cause infection, dead bacteria would not grow on a culture. What the heck kind of doctor is this??? If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show up in the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive reaction (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) in the urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of bacteria, from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on, but I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I said they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria were live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect on the bacteria whatsoever. Denise - Original Message ----- From: "William Amos" To: Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM Subject: CS>Live Bacteria Hello All: I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. The doctor was surprised at this. They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. Bill Amos -- The Silver
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Being new to this list, I do not know what a "rife machine" is. How does one go about finding a doctor that will use CS intravenously as you mentioned? Thanks; joni Original Message Follows From: "David W Kenney" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: RE: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:13:22 -0600 I would suggest finding a Dr. who will use CS intravenously. Perhaps some of the contributors know one in your area. Otherwise, look for a qualified ND. Secondly...enterococcus and most if not all bacterial organisms are killed quickly by a quality "rife" machine. I am doing a study on every living pathogen I can get my hands on with the rife frequencies. My first was a fungi...trichophyton mentagrophytes. I treated first for general fungous frequencies...no results. Then for microsporum sp. No results. Then I treated for the specific trichophyton frequencies...killed in less than 10 minutes. You can see this on the culture plate very obviously. So...if you have the right frequencies...it is devastating. Since you can get live cultures of enterococcus...you could do several subcultures and easily narrow down the exact frequencies for your organism... Once known...you could be cured of this organism in minutes...and be left only with the damage the organism caused which would need to heal. Remember, as with any therapy...you need to be on a great diet with all the required minerals... In other words...give you body the building blocks it requires to heal... Dr. Dave Kenney I am new to this list, I wrote something, but never saw a reply in regard to my history. But, this topic I am seeing involving the bladder is exactly what I am going through. I am getting nothing resolved. I have mentioned CS to my doctors but none have listened, I am allergic to many of the antibiotics and this infection has reached my kidneys and seems resistant to everything that has been tried. I am going back today, very concerned, the bacteria that grew colonies is entercoccus. Any suggestions, appreciated. joni Original Message Follows From: Garnet Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Silver List Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:10:09 -0500 I thought it was excreted in the urine within an hour? Maybe you have to drink a lot. It could also be infused via a urinary catheter as in DMSO therapy for cystitis. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:15, nancymike wrote: > Unfortunately CS doesn't quite get to the bladder to kill the bacteria > there. I have found great help from d Mannose. > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "Denise Every" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > < of > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > The doctor was surprised at this. > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good.>> > > > > > > The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an > > infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they do > a > > urine culture and sensitivity. Dead bacteria don't cause infection, dead > > bacteria would not grow on a culture. What the heck kind of doctor is > > this??? > > > > If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show up > in > > the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive > reaction > > (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) in > the > > urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of > bacteria, > > from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on, > but > > I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I said > > they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria were > > live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect on > > the bacteria whatsoever. > > > > Denise > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "William Amos" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM > > Subject: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > > > > Hello All: > > > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. > > > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. > > > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass > of > > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > > The doctor was surprised at this. > > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. > &g
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Joni... Check out this site it has most all the information you need to get informed about the rife machine. It will take you awhile to go through all the links... Dr. Kenney http://stenulson.net/althealth/index.htm Being new to this list, I do not know what a "rife machine" is. How does one go about finding a doctor that will use CS intravenously as you mentioned? Thanks; joni I would suggest finding a Dr. who will use CS intravenously. Perhaps some of the contributors know one in your area. Otherwise, look for a qualified ND. Secondly...enterococcus and most if not all bacterial organisms are killed quickly by a quality "rife" machine. I am doing a study on every living pathogen I can get my hands on with the rife frequencies. My first was a fungi...trichophyton mentagrophytes. I treated first for general fungous frequencies...no results. Then for microsporum sp. No results. Then I treated for the specific trichophyton frequencies...killed in less than 10 minutes. You can see this on the culture plate very obviously. So...if you have the right frequencies...it is devastating. Since you can get live cultures of enterococcus...you could do several subcultures and easily narrow down the exact frequencies for your organism... Once known...you could be cured of this organism in minutes...and be left only with the damage the organism caused which would need to heal. Remember, as with any therapy...you need to be on a great diet with all the required minerals... In other words...give you body the building blocks it requires to heal... Dr. Dave Kenney I am new to this list, I wrote something, but never saw a reply in regard to my history. But, this topic I am seeing involving the bladder is exactly what I am going through. I am getting nothing resolved. I have mentioned CS to my doctors but none have listened, I am allergic to many of the antibiotics and this infection has reached my kidneys and seems resistant to everything that has been tried. I am going back today, very concerned, the bacteria that grew colonies is entercoccus. Any suggestions, appreciated. joni Original Message Follows From: Garnet Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Silver List Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:10:09 -0500 I thought it was excreted in the urine within an hour? Maybe you have to drink a lot. It could also be infused via a urinary catheter as in DMSO therapy for cystitis. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:15, nancymike wrote: > Unfortunately CS doesn't quite get to the bladder to kill the bacteria > there. I have found great help from d Mannose. > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "Denise Every" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > < of > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > The doctor was surprised at this. > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good.>> > > > > > > The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an > > infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they do > a > > urine culture and sensitivity. Dead bacteria don't cause infection, dead > > bacteria would not grow on a culture. What the heck kind of doctor is > > this??? > > > > If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show up > in > > the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive > reaction > > (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) in > the > > urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of > bacteria, > > from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on, > but > > I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I said > > they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria were > > live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect on > > the bacteria whatsoever. > > > > Denise > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "William Amos" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM > > Subject: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > > > > Hello All: > > > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. > > > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. > > > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass > of > > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > > The doctor was surprised at this. >
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Thanks, I will check out the site. I went to google after sending the email to you, I did find an article sayng a tens unit is a similar devise, I use a tens unit to control pain associated with IC, I will be interested to see if my unit could be of use as a "rife machine". Thanks again. -joni Original Message Follows From: "Dr. David W. Kenney" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: RE: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:48:18 -0600 Joni... Check out this site it has most all the information you need to get informed about the rife machine. It will take you awhile to go through all the links... Dr. Kenney http://stenulson.net/althealth/index.htm Being new to this list, I do not know what a "rife machine" is. How does one go about finding a doctor that will use CS intravenously as you mentioned? Thanks; joni I would suggest finding a Dr. who will use CS intravenously. Perhaps some of the contributors know one in your area. Otherwise, look for a qualified ND. Secondly...enterococcus and most if not all bacterial organisms are killed quickly by a quality "rife" machine. I am doing a study on every living pathogen I can get my hands on with the rife frequencies. My first was a fungi...trichophyton mentagrophytes. I treated first for general fungous frequencies...no results. Then for microsporum sp. No results. Then I treated for the specific trichophyton frequencies...killed in less than 10 minutes. You can see this on the culture plate very obviously. So...if you have the right frequencies...it is devastating. Since you can get live cultures of enterococcus...you could do several subcultures and easily narrow down the exact frequencies for your organism... Once known...you could be cured of this organism in minutes...and be left only with the damage the organism caused which would need to heal. Remember, as with any therapy...you need to be on a great diet with all the required minerals... In other words...give you body the building blocks it requires to heal... Dr. Dave Kenney I am new to this list, I wrote something, but never saw a reply in regard to my history. But, this topic I am seeing involving the bladder is exactly what I am going through. I am getting nothing resolved. I have mentioned CS to my doctors but none have listened, I am allergic to many of the antibiotics and this infection has reached my kidneys and seems resistant to everything that has been tried. I am going back today, very concerned, the bacteria that grew colonies is entercoccus. Any suggestions, appreciated. joni Original Message Follows From: Garnet Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Silver List Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:10:09 -0500 I thought it was excreted in the urine within an hour? Maybe you have to drink a lot. It could also be infused via a urinary catheter as in DMSO therapy for cystitis. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:15, nancymike wrote: > Unfortunately CS doesn't quite get to the bladder to kill the bacteria > there. I have found great help from d Mannose. > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "Denise Every" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > > > > < of > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > > The doctor was surprised at this. > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good.>> > > > > > > The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an > > infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they do > a > > urine culture and sensitivity. Dead bacteria don't cause infection, dead > > bacteria would not grow on a culture. What the heck kind of doctor is > > this??? > > > > If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show up > in > > the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive > reaction > > (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) in > the > > urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of > bacteria, > > from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on, > but > > I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I said > > they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria were > > live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect on > > the bacteria whatsoever. > > > > Denise > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "William Amos" > > To: > > Sent: Fr
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At 10:48 PM 25/10/04, you wrote: I am new to this list, I wrote something, but never saw a reply in regard to my history. But, this topic I am seeing involving the bladder is exactly what I am going through. I am getting nothing resolved. I have mentioned CS to my doctors but none have listened, I am allergic to many of the antibiotics and this infection has reached my kidneys and seems resistant to everything that has been tried. I am going back today, very concerned, the bacteria that grew colonies is entercoccus. Any suggestions, appreciated. joni Hi there, Joni I know how you feel. I also know that the answer can seem too simple. But if Terminal Bowel Cancer can be cured simply by changing your diet/lifestyle, why not look at your Original Manufacturer's repair methods? They've been around a lot longer than Flexner's American Medical Industry. CS is a great crutch, a really helpful measure, but it won't cure you. It is in my observation, along with DMSO, the best in medical aids available to mankind. But it is what goes in your mouth that is critical. No, vital. Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. If you don't understand much about real food combining - get a book on the MACROBIOTIC DIET, not completely accurate, but a great start. Cheers, Himagain PLEASE NOTE: NOTHING IN INFORMATION OFFERED IN ANY COMMUNICATION BY THIS WRITER IS PERSONAL MEDICAL, LEGAL, HAIRDRESSING OR GARDENING ADVICE. IT IS MERELY ANECDOTAL AND ALL DUE DILIGENCE BY THE READER IS REQUIRED. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body depends on the body. Nothing works for everyone. sol j rigby wrote: Hi there, Joni Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Go to www.curezone.com type in bladder infection. - Original Message - From: "j rigby" To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria At 10:48 PM 25/10/04, you wrote: I am new to this list, I wrote something, but never saw a reply in regard to my history. But, this topic I am seeing involving the bladder is exactly what I am going through. I am getting nothing resolved. I have mentioned CS to my doctors but none have listened, I am allergic to many of the antibiotics and this infection has reached my kidneys and seems resistant to everything that has been tried. I am going back today, very concerned, the bacteria that grew colonies is entercoccus. Any suggestions, appreciated. joni Hi there, Joni I know how you feel. I also know that the answer can seem too simple. But if Terminal Bowel Cancer can be cured simply by changing your diet/lifestyle, why not look at your Original Manufacturer's repair methods? They've been around a lot longer than Flexner's American Medical Industry. CS is a great crutch, a really helpful measure, but it won't cure you. It is in my observation, along with DMSO, the best in medical aids available to mankind. But it is what goes in your mouth that is critical. No, vital. Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. If you don't understand much about real food combining - get a book on the MACROBIOTIC DIET, not completely accurate, but a great start. Cheers, Himagain PLEASE NOTE: NOTHING IN INFORMATION OFFERED IN ANY COMMUNICATION BY THIS WRITER IS PERSONAL MEDICAL, LEGAL, HAIRDRESSING OR GARDENING ADVICE. IT IS MERELY ANECDOTAL AND ALL DUE DILIGENCE BY THE READER IS REQUIRED. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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When you find a doctor that will listen about CS, let me know. It wold be a rare find. As far as bladder infections, look into d-Mannose. It is an aminoacid that will do wonders for bladder infections. Nancy - Original Message - From: "j rigby" To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:25 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > At 10:48 PM 25/10/04, you wrote: > >I am new to this list, I wrote something, but never saw a reply in regard > >to my history. But, this topic I am seeing involving the bladder is > >exactly what I am going through. I am getting nothing resolved. I have > >mentioned CS to my doctors but none have listened, I am allergic to many > >of the antibiotics and this infection has reached my kidneys and seems > >resistant to everything that has been tried. I am going back today, very > >concerned, the bacteria that grew colonies is entercoccus. Any > >suggestions, appreciated. > >joni -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting out the sugar, but I am trying. joni Original Message Follows From: sol Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body depends on the body. Nothing works for everyone. sol j rigby wrote: Hi there, Joni Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Joni Lovegrove
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Google <"alkalinizing foods"> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 08:18, Joni Lovegrove wrote: > Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what alkalizes > MY body, since everyone does respond differently. > > I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, nuts, > very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to remove most > of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt and milk and > cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and vegetables, I drink > lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting out the sugar, but I am > trying. > > joni > > > Original Message Follows > From: sol > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 > > A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body depends > on the body. Nothing works for everyone. > sol > > j rigby wrote: > > >Hi there, Joni > > > >Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO take in > >lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the CAUSE before it > >is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no white anything - > >flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > Joni Lovegrove > >
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Any particular brand you have used and can recommend? Didn't you say you used it in conjuction with CS? TIA, sol nancymike wrote: When you find a doctor that will listen about CS, let me know. It wold be a rare find. As far as bladder infections, look into d-Mannose. It is an aminoacid that will do wonders for bladder infections. Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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The Metabolic Typing Diet by William Wolcott and Trish Fahey. Very interesting book. For autonomic dominants vegetables alkalinize and meats acidify. However oxidative dominants get the opposite reaction---vegetables acidify, and meats alkalinize. "the pH effect of any given food cannot be viewed in "absolute" terms. Contrary to conventional wisdom, no food or nutrient has an acid or alkaline effect on the body because of some qulaity inherent in the foood or nutrient. Rather, the acid/alkaline effect of foods and nutrients ont eh body are determined by their variable and highly specific effects onthe various fundamental homeostatic controls in different metabolic types." The book contains a detailed questionnaire to help one figure out their metabolic type, as well as detailed instructions on how to do test diet adjustments to really fine tune diet for oneself. Ironically, in trying to change to a healhier diet you may be doing the reverse of what YOUR body needs. Incredibly to me, most people who have adopted belief in vegetarianism or in a heavy meat diet, tend to also adopt the belief, very rigidly that their particular belief system somehow reflects human evolution, and that therefore the diet they believe in is best for every single human on the planet. I have read many articles defending and promoting the idea that 1) humans are bilogically and evolutionarily vegans/vegetarians, and 2) humans are biologically and evolutionarily carnivores. So far as I can tell, one can compare GI functions and measure intestinal lengths ad nauseum to prove either belief. HTH, sol Joni Lovegrove wrote: Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting out the sugar, but I am trying. joni Original Message Follows From: sol Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body depends on the body. Nothing works for everyone. sol j rigby wrote: Hi there, Joni Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Joni Lovegrove
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It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy some pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine after eating various types of foods. Occams Razor strikes again. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 12:32, sol wrote: > The Metabolic Typing Diet by William Wolcott and Trish Fahey. Very > interesting book. For autonomic dominants vegetables alkalinize and > meats acidify. However oxidative dominants get the opposite > reaction---vegetables acidify, and meats alkalinize. > "the pH effect of any given food cannot be viewed in > "absolute" terms. Contrary to conventional wisdom, no food or nutrient > has an acid or alkaline effect on the body because of some qulaity > inherent in the foood or nutrient. Rather, the acid/alkaline effect of > foods and nutrients ont eh body are determined by their variable and > highly specific effects onthe various fundamental homeostatic controls > in different metabolic types." > The book contains a detailed questionnaire to help one figure out > their metabolic type, as well as detailed instructions on how to do test > diet adjustments to really fine tune diet for oneself. >Ironically, in trying to change to a healhier diet you may be doing > the reverse of what YOUR body needs. Incredibly to me, most people who > have adopted belief in vegetarianism or in a heavy meat diet, tend to > also adopt the belief, very rigidly that their particular belief system > somehow reflects human evolution, and that therefore the diet they > believe in is best for every single human on the planet. I have read > many articles defending and promoting the idea that 1) humans are > bilogically and evolutionarily vegans/vegetarians, and 2) humans are > biologically and evolutionarily carnivores. So far as I can tell, one > can compare GI functions and measure intestinal lengths ad nauseum to > prove either belief. > HTH, > sol > > > Joni Lovegrove wrote: > > > Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what > > alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. > > > > I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, > > nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to > > remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt > > and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and > > vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting > > out the sugar, but I am trying. > > > > joni > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > From: sol > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > > Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 > > > > A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body > > depends on the body. Nothing works for everyone. > > sol > > > > j rigby wrote: > > > >> Hi there, Joni > >> > >> Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO > >> take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the > >> CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no > >> white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. > >> > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > > > > > > > >
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It is more than just the issue of pH, though. And I do think a lot of people are like me and find it helpful to 1) have a diagnostic tool to help determine metabolic type on several levels, and 2) a clear plan for a basic diet and 3) clear plans for how to "challenge" the diet and vary it to fine tune it to oneself, individually. So for me it was not at all as simple as a pH strip. It would have told me where I was, but not at all what to do about it. I guess I could have bumbled my way through it. But for the price of an inexpensive book I really feel I avoided months of blind fooling around. sol Garnet wrote: It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy some pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine after eating various types of foods. Occams Razor strikes again. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 12:32, sol wrote: The Metabolic Typing Diet by William Wolcott and Trish Fahey. Very interesting book. For autonomic dominants vegetables alkalinize and meats acidify. However oxidative dominants get the opposite reaction---vegetables acidify, and meats alkalinize. "the pH effect of any given food cannot be viewed in "absolute" terms. Contrary to conventional wisdom, no food or nutrient has an acid or alkaline effect on the body because of some qulaity inherent in the foood or nutrient. Rather, the acid/alkaline effect of foods and nutrients ont eh body are determined by their variable and highly specific effects onthe various fundamental homeostatic controls in different metabolic types." The book contains a detailed questionnaire to help one figure out their metabolic type, as well as detailed instructions on how to do test diet adjustments to really fine tune diet for oneself. Ironically, in trying to change to a healhier diet you may be doing the reverse of what YOUR body needs. Incredibly to me, most people who have adopted belief in vegetarianism or in a heavy meat diet, tend to also adopt the belief, very rigidly that their particular belief system somehow reflects human evolution, and that therefore the diet they believe in is best for every single human on the planet. I have read many articles defending and promoting the idea that 1) humans are bilogically and evolutionarily vegans/vegetarians, and 2) humans are biologically and evolutionarily carnivores. So far as I can tell, one can compare GI functions and measure intestinal lengths ad nauseum to prove either belief. HTH, sol Joni Lovegrove wrote: Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting out the sugar, but I am trying. joni Original Message Follows From: sol Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body depends on the body. Nothing works for everyone. sol j rigby wrote: Hi there, Joni Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Joni Lovegrove
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At 12:18 AM 11/11/04, Joni wrote: Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting out the sugar, but I am trying. joni Hi Joni, It *is* all very confusing. But you should see what happens to people who "advance" to the Cancer zone! The trauma of being told that you have The Big C - especially as everyone really knows it is a death sentence (if the diagnosis is right) - is hard enough to take, but then you have to cope with both well-meaning bum advice and deliberate bum advice from all sorts of quarters. Having worked directly with nearly a thousand so-called "Terminal" Cancer patients over a long time and being one, the Cancervivor Underground developed a lot of data that was "untainted" by outside vested interests. We developed a lot of techniques for coping and curing and here is the simple truth of untold hours of experience: 1. Diet determines whether you live or die well. (That does mean everybody) As Sol said his idea is that a no meat diet is not best for everyone. But we are talking about dying people here. In all of our "salvation records" we do not know of a single person who died following the 5 Rules. We do know of thousands who died by not following them. The single most critical one is to give up meat. It even makes healthy people sick. Of course, it goes without saying that sugar is right up there with it. 2. Personal resolution and action is next important. You either stop believing the nonsense escapism that you "catch" Cancer/colds/flu/pregnancy and it isn't your fault, or you die. Because you have to suddenly become very SELF-determined and accept the reality and do the necessary. ALWAYS against great opposition, some well-meaning, some deliberately destructive. 3. Getting completely away from the Medical Industry is vital. ( People do survive the "treatments", but very rarely and never well). The greatest truth you will ever learn is that the truth of health is that it has no money in it for anyone. Thus, it is denigrated with unbelievable ferocity by The System. You might find a visit here a good start towards reality - hard to take, but the real thing. http://fablor.com/matrixide One of the books found very good as a "starter" by thousands of Cancervivors is "Health On Your Plate" by Janet Pleshette ISBN -0-600-20377-8 or any starter books of Macrobiotics. As a golden rule, the only people worth talking to are those who have actually been there and done that. The survivors. The rest, no matter how well-meaning just don't have a clue. Worse, there are a lot of incredibly powerful vested interests like the Pharma/Doctors, whose whole life is bound up in you never knowing the truth and never getting well. This is a big subject area, but very pertinent to any list like CS because here you can get just a glimpse of what "They" have done and will do to stop you ever getting to the truth of something as simple and magical as CS - known for thousands of years for its efficacy. The good news is ANYONE can make it back, but so few want to develop the discipline - they would rather die than give up their "good life" , so they do. To all of you out there - don't despair. If tough gigs like Cancer and MS and Sugar Diabetes and Manic Depression and AIDS can be removed, how tough can your problem REALLY be? It is only the actual cure that is tough.. and most people aren't in enough pain ( thanks to modern medicine) to be forced to act. Pepto anyone? Cheers! Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Some people need a physical validation of what they are sensing. Other are more intuitive and not so questioning. Personally I pay a lot of attention to what foods I am craving and when it is during my monthly cycle, for those still cycling. And this includes men, they cycle on a ~72 cycle of sperm productiong and have many of the same hormones as women. I swear they have a male version of PMS and Perimenopause. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 20:49, sol wrote: > It is more than just the issue of pH, though. And I do think a lot of > people are like me and find it helpful to 1) have a diagnostic tool to > help determine metabolic type on several levels, and 2) a clear plan for > a basic diet and 3) clear plans for how to "challenge" the diet and vary > it to fine tune it to oneself, individually. > So for me it was not at all as simple as a pH strip. It would have > told me where I was, but not at all what to do about it. I guess I could > have bumbled my way through it. But for the price of an inexpensive book > I really feel I avoided months of blind fooling around. > sol > > Garnet wrote: > > >It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy some > >pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine after > >eating various types of foods. > > > >Occams Razor strikes again. > > > >Garnet > > > >On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 12:32, sol wrote: > > > > > >> The Metabolic Typing Diet by William Wolcott and Trish Fahey. Very > >>interesting book. For autonomic dominants vegetables alkalinize and > >>meats acidify. However oxidative dominants get the opposite > >>reaction---vegetables acidify, and meats alkalinize. > >> "the pH effect of any given food cannot be viewed in > >>"absolute" terms. Contrary to conventional wisdom, no food or nutrient > >>has an acid or alkaline effect on the body because of some qulaity > >>inherent in the foood or nutrient. Rather, the acid/alkaline effect of > >>foods and nutrients ont eh body are determined by their variable and > >>highly specific effects onthe various fundamental homeostatic controls > >>in different metabolic types." > >> The book contains a detailed questionnaire to help one figure out > >>their metabolic type, as well as detailed instructions on how to do test > >>diet adjustments to really fine tune diet for oneself. > >> Ironically, in trying to change to a healhier diet you may be doing > >>the reverse of what YOUR body needs. Incredibly to me, most people who > >>have adopted belief in vegetarianism or in a heavy meat diet, tend to > >>also adopt the belief, very rigidly that their particular belief system > >>somehow reflects human evolution, and that therefore the diet they > >>believe in is best for every single human on the planet. I have read > >>many articles defending and promoting the idea that 1) humans are > >>bilogically and evolutionarily vegans/vegetarians, and 2) humans are > >>biologically and evolutionarily carnivores. So far as I can tell, one > >>can compare GI functions and measure intestinal lengths ad nauseum to > >>prove either belief. > >>HTH, > >>sol > >> > >> > >>Joni Lovegrove wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what > >>>alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. > >>> > >>>I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, > >>>nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to > >>>remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt > >>>and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and > >>>vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting > >>>out the sugar, but I am trying. > >>> > >>>joni > >>> > >>> > >>>Original Message Follows > >>>From: sol > >>>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >>>Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > >>>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 > >>> > >>>A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body > >>>depends on the body. Nothing works for everyone. > >>>sol > >>> > >>>j rigby wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hi
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Are you including all forms of meat here John? Even organic or wild, fish (I know very few are clean)? I realize Ann Wigmore's Hippocrates Health Institute recommended mostly live foods like sprouts and that they are high in protien. Could be that Type O that needs alot of protein would do well on this diet. I think we get used to what we are eating and switching can be difficult. I gave up beef a couple years ago because my teenage daughter, who does most of the cooing read that it spikes testosterone and causes acne. Sure enough the acne we all had was much improved. And now we no longer crave it, in fact it repels all of us. I used to crave rare meat once a month when PMSing. I still eat natural or organic pork, chicken and look for wild caught fish. Not bottom feeders though. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 21:11, John Rigby wrote: > At 12:18 AM 11/11/04, Joni wrote: > >Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what alkalizes > >MY body, since everyone does respond differently. > > > >I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, nuts, > >very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to remove > >most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt and milk > >and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and vegetables, I > >drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting out the sugar, > >but I am trying. > > > >joni > > Hi Joni, > It *is* all very confusing. But you should see what happens to people who > "advance" to the Cancer zone! > The trauma of being told that you have The Big C - especially as everyone > really knows it is a death sentence (if the diagnosis is right) - is hard > enough to take, but then you have to cope with both well-meaning bum advice > and deliberate bum advice from all sorts of quarters. > > Having worked directly with nearly a thousand so-called "Terminal" Cancer > patients over a long time and being one, the Cancervivor Underground > developed a lot of data that was "untainted" by outside vested > interests. We developed a lot of techniques for coping and curing and here > is the simple truth of untold hours of experience: > 1. Diet determines whether you live or die well. (That does mean everybody) > As Sol said his idea is that a no meat diet is not best for everyone. But > we are talking about dying people here. In all of our "salvation records" > we do not know of a single person who died following the 5 Rules. We do > know of thousands who died by not following them. The single most critical > one is to give up meat. It even makes healthy people sick. Of course, it > goes without saying that sugar is right up there with it. > > 2. Personal resolution and action is next important. > You either stop believing the nonsense escapism that you "catch" > Cancer/colds/flu/pregnancy and it isn't your fault, or you die. Because you > have to suddenly become very SELF-determined and accept the reality and do > the necessary. ALWAYS against great opposition, some well-meaning, some > deliberately destructive. > > 3. Getting completely away from the Medical Industry is vital. > ( People do survive the "treatments", but very rarely and never well). The > greatest truth you will ever learn is that the truth of health is that it > has no money in it for anyone. Thus, it is denigrated with unbelievable > ferocity by The System. > > You might find a visit here a good start towards reality - hard to take, > but the real thing. http://fablor.com/matrixide > One of the books found very good as a "starter" by thousands of > Cancervivors is "Health On Your Plate" by Janet Pleshette ISBN > -0-600-20377-8 or any starter books of Macrobiotics. > > As a golden rule, the only people worth talking to are those who have > actually been there and done that. The survivors. > > The rest, no matter how well-meaning just don't have a clue. Worse, there > are a lot of incredibly powerful vested interests like the Pharma/Doctors, > whose whole life is bound up in you never knowing the truth and never > getting well. > > This is a big subject area, but very pertinent to any list like CS because > here you can get just a glimpse of what "They" have done and will do to > stop you ever getting to the truth of something as simple and magical as CS > - known for thousands of years for its efficacy. > > The good news is ANYONE can make it back, but so few want to develop the > discipline - they would rather die than give up their "good life" , so they > do. > > To all of you out there - don't despair. If tough gigs like Cancer and MS > and Sugar Diabetes and Manic Depression and AIDS can be removed, how tough > can your problem REALLY be? > It is only the actual cure that is tough.. and most people aren't > in enough pain ( thanks to modern medicine) to be forced to act. > > Pepto anyone? > > Cheers! > > Himagain > > > > > -- > The Silver List is
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At 04:32 AM 11/11/04, you wrote: SNIP o adopt the belief, very rigidly that their particular belief system somehow reflects human evolution, and that therefore the diet they believe in is best for every single human on the planet. I have read many articles defending and promoting the idea that 1) humans are bilogically and evolutionarily vegans/vegetarians, and 2) humans are biologically and evolutionarily carnivores. So far as I can tell, one can compare GI functions and measure intestinal lengths ad nauseum to prove either belief. HTH, sol Hi Sol, Ah! Here I can help you. The confusion is in the insistence that modern foods are the same as those of even 100 years ago. First problem. The second problem is in the combining of food at the time of attempting to digest it.Logical will tell you that YOU have one stomach. Some foods require to be digested by a highly concentrated acid process. Others require an alkaline process. The killer ( literally) is in bad combinations of food and today the mutated monstrocities that are no relation to the legumes etc or especially, meat of old. Man is an amazing food machine - a true omnivore - but that doesn't mean we should stress the machine with very demanding - work. As meat eaters, particularly dead stuff - carrion - if you will pardon the pun: we just don't have the stomach for it!! :-) AND the proof is in the pudding. Are you sick? REALLY sick? Just give up the "good things" especially meat, white stuff, and cut back once you are off the meat on the H20. It's magic! Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 21:46, John Rigby wrote: > As meat eaters, particularly dead stuff - carrion - if you will pardon the > pun: > we just don't have the stomach for it!! As in "carry on" the traditional Standard American Diet? We have a local T shirt that honors our buzzard population, without whom the abundance of road kill deer would surely cause the road crews to put on more workers to keep up. It is a buzzard sitting on a highway sign that says "Carrion The Tradition". Gotta love those buzzards. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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At 07:19 AM 11/11/04, you wrote: It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy some pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine after eating various types of foods. Occams Razor strikes again. Garnet Sorry Garnet, that's the Ayrab version . Ockham's Razor would "slice" again... :-) "Dipping in to the problem" isn't quite that easy though. We need to slice the problem into 3 segments: What is going in? What is going on? What is going out? Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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At 01:40 PM 11/11/04, Garnet wrote: Are you including all forms of meat here John? Even organic or wild, fish (I know very few are clean)? I realize Ann Wigmore's Hippocrates Health Institute recommended mostly live foods like sprouts and that they are high in protien. Could be that Type O that needs alot of protein would do well on this diet. I think we get used to what we are eating and switching can be difficult. Hi Garnet, don't you EVER sleep :-) At the extreme level of onrushing decomposition(death), yes. Our earliest life/survival knowledge comes from what were the parents of Formal Religions, vis, Jewish dietary laws and the vastly older vedics and the oldest of all the Ku a'la. A constant across all cultures in the earliest times was the advice to "avoid eating any form of meat developed enough to have eyes", as a creature that developed was able to feel pain and fear - and to top it all off was pretty close to you in evolution. Basically, all of the old lore has been proving out for a lng time and if the oldest advice is meat is bad for you unless you have to eat it and then you need to ritually cleanse yourself of the "sin" ( error) a.s.a.p. after eating it We are biologically most unsuited to eating it - even fresh and bloody - but the way we do eat it I must say that before I self-destructed not only was I a true gourmet but a viandere ( meat lover) and didn't recognise anyone as a better chef du meat than me - and that included some top international chefs who were friends of mine thanks to my sincere appreciation of their craft. It was the overall hardest thing to do in my then young life, second only to giving up cigarettes/cigars/pipes/hookahs/etc. But the evidence - ah, the evidence. Unlike most people on this planet I could never fool myself, not in living memory. When I got fat as I regularly cycled thru, I KNEW it. Just before the "slob" point I would go on a ritual near-fast and shed the weight. Put the evidence in front of me and as a certain Physicist said of me once: " Him? A turncoat. Just give him the evidence and he will abandon a stance of years. Totally unreliable." So, yes. The evidence is in: ANY meat is not good for humans. Unless working as a professional Reindeer Herder in Sahkashent in Siberia and willing to do the things they must do just in order to be able to defecate. Like Eskimos, only worse. Some things we can know for sure. Some of those we will ignore to death. My final answer to most things is: Cancer is the toughest thing anyone can face. It is easy to cure. But only by following a time-developed set of rules: 1. Natural diet. And no, meat is not natural and is out. All meat. 2. Change your mind 3. Change your environment 4. Work. Physically. Sure it hurts if you are sick, but is the only way back. 5. Give. The hardest part of all for most. Give what you most fear losing. Then you win. From then on, every time. Now I must stop all this - Mike will be at me for frightening the ducks again. Off to the beach! Peace! Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I do use CS daily, so, yes it is in cojunction with CS. Unfortunately, by the time the CS gets to the bladder it is pretty diluted and not able to do much of a job there. I purchase mine d-Mannose from www.Sagewomanherbs.com The dosage is on the container. You would use a different dosage every day for four days. Nancy - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > Any particular brand you have used and can recommend? Didn't you say you > used it in conjuction with CS? > TIA, > sol > > nancymike wrote: > > >When you find a doctor that will listen about CS, let me know. It wold be a > >rare find. As far as bladder infections, look into d-Mannose. It is an > >aminoacid that will do wonders for bladder infections. > >Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 23:39, nancymike wrote: > I do use CS daily, so, yes it is in cojunction with CS. Unfortunately, by > the time the CS gets to the bladder it is pretty diluted and not able to do > much of a job there. Seems to me the concentration of CS reaching the bladder would depend on how much you are consuming. Mixing it with DMSO would ensure more efficient delivery as well. D-mannose is the laxative used for babies. Diarrhea is not too convenient a side effect for most of us. Perhaps the dose is not high enough to cause this laxative effect? Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Why yes John, I sleep. Every night and most afternoons. I do love a good nap in the middle of the day. When I was very ill with mold fume poisoning and subsequent Candida Overgrowth I tried a totally vegetarian diet, did the juicing thing, which was very beneficial, but the veggie diet simply did not work for me. I tried many variations of raw foods, sprouts, vegan etc over that 5-7 years. I am Type O Negative. When I started eating meat again I was careful to buy only natural and organic meat. I "consciously slaughtered" an organic steer. This is in accordance with the belief of indigenous peoples that in killing an animal for consumption the animals energy must be preserved by a humane and conscious process or the meat will not sustain the consumer. Perhaps this is the variable and not simply that we are not equipped to digest meat. I arranged with the farm owner for the steer to be placed in an enclosure, given a nice flake of alfalfa with his herd near by. The meat processor parked his truck down the road where the smell would not carry. He used a shot to the forehead (a plug, not a bullet) to knock the steer down and kill him instantly, while I meditated and contacted his spirit. I "lead" him back to his herd to say goodbye then invited him home with me to see the family his body was going to nourish for the next 6 months. It was not until we moved 6 months after that into a dry house that we got over our illness, but the high beef diet was followed by a significant increase in our energy level and health. As well my consciousness took a huge leap forward and I found several important clues to the reasons for our severely degenrative condition, one of which was meridian balancing a la Stephen Rochlitz Human Ecology Balancing and urine therapy to kill the Candida. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hey, Garnet, a real buzzard is actually a hawk. The carrion eaters are vultures. Sorry, I`m a bird-loving purist... :o) Marshalee > > We have a local T shirt that honors our buzzard population, without whom > the abundance of road kill deer would surely cause the road crews to put > on more workers to keep up. It is a buzzard sitting on a highway sign > that says "Carrion The Tradition". Gotta love those buzzards. > > Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Funny I was just thinking about these two terms and wondering if they were interchangeable. Thanks for filling in my thoughts! Garnet On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:30, mamapug wrote: > Hey, Garnet, a real buzzard is actually a hawk. > The carrion eaters are vultures. > Sorry, I`m a bird-loving purist... :o) > Marshalee > > > > We have a local T shirt that honors our buzzard population, without whom > > the abundance of road kill deer would surely cause the road crews to put > > on more workers to keep up. It is a buzzard sitting on a highway sign > > that says "Carrion The Tradition". Gotta love those buzzards. > > > > Garnet > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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I am still confused: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/buzzard buz·zard (bzrd) n. 1. Any of various North American vultures, such as the turkey vulture. http://www.accutek.com/vulture/buzzard.htm The name buzzard is given to a miscellaneous assortment of scavenger birds--six New World vultures belonging to the Cathartidae family are often called buzzards--but in a more restricted sense the term applies to many Old World hawks, family Accipitridae, that may or may not be scavengers. An example is the European buzzard, Buteo buteo, closely related to the American red tailed hawk. It appears that buzzard is a vulture in the US, but a hawk in Europe. Marshall Garnet wrote: > Funny I was just thinking about these two terms and wondering if they > were interchangeable. Thanks for filling in my thoughts! > > Garnet > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:30, mamapug wrote: > > Hey, Garnet, a real buzzard is actually a hawk. > > The carrion eaters are vultures. > > Sorry, I`m a bird-loving purist... :o) > > Marshalee > > > > > > We have a local T shirt that honors our buzzard population, without whom > > > the abundance of road kill deer would surely cause the road crews to put > > > on more workers to keep up. It is a buzzard sitting on a highway sign > > > that says "Carrion The Tradition". Gotta love those buzzards. > > > > > > Garnet > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Herbalist Dr Richard Schulze recommends, as John does, that it is absolutely necessary to give up eating meat and any animal products (anything that ever touched an animal...) when one is trying to overcome disease. His explanation was that all animal products cause the blood to thicken, become less viscous, and therefore less blood can circulate in the area of problem. As our bodies are only healed by the flow of blood to an area bringing in and taking away products, it stands to reason that any lessening of the ability of the blood to get around the body tends to lessen the chances for health and healing. Congestion = disease. Dan Gartnet wrote: >Are you including all forms of meat here John? Even organic or wild, >fish (I know very few are clean)? John Rigby wrote: > Having worked directly with nearly a thousand so-called "Terminal" Cancer > patients over a long time and being one, the Cancervivor Underground > developed a lot of data that was "untainted" by outside vested > interests. We developed a lot of techniques for coping and curing and here > is the simple truth of untold hours of experience: > 1. Diet determines whether you live or die well. (That does mean everybody) > As Sol said his idea is that a no meat diet is not best for everyone. But > we are talking about dying people here. In all of our "salvation records" > we do not know of a single person who died following the 5 Rules. We do > know of thousands who died by not following them. The single most critical > one is to give up meat. It even makes healthy people sick. Of course, it > goes without saying that sugar is right up there with it. > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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The Chinese traditionally do not eat a lot of meat and yet have longed noted that eating specific meats during a medical crisis are recommended. Chicken Tonifies Qi edema blood deficiency Black Chicken nourish liver and kidney empty heat Tonify spleen infertility Chicken eggs moistens dryness nourishes blood kidney essences Duck nourishes yin clears heat promotes urination Pork Nourishes Yin Lamb Tonifies Yang Beef Tonifies Qi Rabbit Tonifies Qi with Dampness Pigeon fertility for men Shrimp Tonifies Yang Carp Promotes urination Snail Tonifies Liver and Kidney Crab good for fractures The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British, or Americans, or Australians. The French eat a lot of fat and also suffer fewer heart attacks than the British, or Americans, or Australians. The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British, or Americans, or Australians. The Italians drink excessive amounts of red wine and also suffer fewer heart attacks than the British, or Americans, or Australians. The Germans drink a lot of beer and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British, or Americans, or Australians. CONCLUSION Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills you. that's another 2 cents worth, Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria Herbalist Dr Richard Schulze recommends, as John does, that it is absolutely necessary to give up eating meat and any animal products (anything that ever touched an animal...) when one is trying to overcome disease. His explanation was that all animal products cause the blood to thicken, become less viscous, and therefore less blood can circulate in the area of problem. As our bodies are only healed by the flow of blood to an area bringing in and taking away products, it stands to reason that any lessening of the ability of the blood to get around the body tends to lessen the chances for health and healing. Congestion = disease. Dan -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.8 - Release Date: 11/7/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.8 - Release Date: 11/7/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi Garnet, You certainly have covered a lot of ground! Nothing like being extremely ill to give motivation, is there? :-) I have responded on the OT because we've left the land of the "acceptable" with your post. see: SPIRITS there Cheers! Himagain At 12:22 AM 12/11/04, you wrote: Why yes John, I sleep. Every night and most afternoons. I do love a good nap in the middle of the day. When I was very ill with mold fume poisoning and subsequent Candida Overgrowth I tried a totally vegetarian diet, did the juicing thing, which was very beneficial, but the veggie diet simply did not work for me. I tried many variations of raw foods, sprouts, vegan etc over that 5-7 years. I am Type O Negative. When I started eating meat again I was careful to buy only natural and organic meat. I "consciously slaughtered" an organic steer. This is in accordance with the belief of indigenous peoples that in killing an animal for consumption the animals energy must be preserved by a humane and conscious process or the meat will not sustain the consumer. Perhaps this is the variable and not simply that we are not equipped to digest meat. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Oral DMSO would take care of this issue and is one of the first agents I would reach for in any disease. Garnet On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:33, Dan Nave wrote: > Herbalist Dr Richard Schulze recommends, as John does, that it is > absolutely necessary to give up eating meat and any animal products > (anything that ever touched an animal...) when one is trying to overcome > disease. > > His explanation was that all animal products cause the blood to > thicken, become less viscous, and therefore less blood can circulate in > the area of problem. As our bodies are only healed by the flow of blood > to an area bringing in and taking away products, it stands to reason > that any lessening of the ability of the blood to get around the body > tends to lessen the chances for health and healing. Congestion = > disease. > > Dan > > > Gartnet wrote: > > >Are you including all forms of meat here John? Even organic or wild, > >fish (I know very few are clean)? > > John Rigby wrote: > > > Having worked directly with nearly a thousand so-called "Terminal" > Cancer > > patients over a long time and being one, the Cancervivor Underground > > > developed a lot of data that was "untainted" by outside vested > > interests. We developed a lot of techniques for coping and curing > and here > > is the simple truth of untold hours of experience: > > 1. Diet determines whether you live or die well. (That does mean > everybody) > > As Sol said his idea is that a no meat diet is not best for everyone. > But > > we are talking about dying people here. In all of our "salvation > records" > > we do not know of a single person who died following the 5 Rules. We > do > > know of thousands who died by not following them. The single most > critical > > one is to give up meat. It even makes healthy people sick. Of course, > it > > goes without saying that sugar is right up there with it. > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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At 02:57 AM 12/11/04, you wrote: It appears that buzzard is a vulture in the US, but a hawk in Europe. Marshall Like I said: A Pharmaceutical Co Board of Directors.!! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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At 06:03 AM 12/11/04, ED wrote: The Chinese traditionally do not eat a lot of meat and yet have longed noted that eating specific meats during a medical crisis are recommended. CONCLUSION Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills you. that's another 2 cents worth, Great!But here is a real Chinese joke: Why are there no train stations in Seychuan Province? Because if a train stopped there, the Seychuanese would figure out a way to cook and eat it. OK. you gotta be attuned a bit.. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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It does not work as a lxative for me, quite the opposite, I wish it wouod at times. Nancy - Original Message - From: "Garnet" To: "Silver List" Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 23:39, nancymike wrote: > > I do use CS daily, so, yes it is in cojunction with CS. Unfortunately, by > > the time the CS gets to the bladder it is pretty diluted and not able to do > > much of a job there. > > Seems to me the concentration of CS reaching the bladder would depend on > how much you are consuming. Mixing it with DMSO would ensure more > efficient delivery as well. > > D-mannose is the laxative used for babies. Diarrhea is not too > convenient a side effect for most of us. Perhaps the dose is not high > enough to cause this laxative effect? > > Garnet > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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Hi Garnet: I talked to the lady again today and she said there were 3 live viruses that appeared in the test. E-coli, staph and one other that she couldn't remember. The test mentioned 100,000 units ofeach. The Doctor mentioned that it was unusual for these types of live bacteria to show up in the urine test. Bill Amos -- Bacteria would not exit the body through the bladder. She must have a bladder infection. Since CS ends up in the urine within an hour or two of ingestion it should help. Cranberry juice and Vit C will acidify the urine and also assist. Lots of water to flush as well. Garnet On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:24, William Amos wrote: > Hello All: > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > The doctor was surprised at this. > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. > > Bill Amos > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Denise)
Hi Denise: Thanks for your input. Changing Doctors is all she has been doing. Not one of them yet has come up with a diagnosis. This is at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio and other area hospitals that she was referred to. I think Dr. Kenney is close to diagnosing it best, but I am waiting to hear from the lady on the name of the third bacteria, which is said to be rare. She is still severally ill. She does have constant bladder infections along with other problems. Bill Amos -- <> The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they do a urine culture and sensitivity. Dead bacteria don't cause infection, dead bacteria would not grow on a culture. What the heck kind of doctor is this??? If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show up in the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive reaction (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) in the urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of bacteria, from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on, but I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I said they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria were live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect on the bacteria whatsoever. Denise - Original Message - From: "William Amos" To: Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM Subject: CS>Live Bacteria > Hello All: > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > The doctor was surprised at this. > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. > > Bill Amos > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
I'm a bit late, but just want to mention that Dr. Schulze's Kidney Bladder Tonic works great also. I've used it for several years for myself and family, it seems to work fast and it's easy. He also has a kidney cleanse. You can get it from the America Botannical Pharmacy 1 800 HERB DOC. It shouldn't hurt to take this, too, along with CS. Sally William Amos wrote: Hi Joni: Thanks to Dr. Kenney, Garnet and others on the list that have taken their time to give their input on this problem, I believe that there is help. It is your decision to try the Colloidal Silver, and as you have read, it has helped many. I will keep the list informed on the young lady that I mentioned with the same problem. Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
RE: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Hi Bill, This infection has spread to my kidneys and is not responding to tradtional antibiotics, will the CS help with kidney as well as bladder infections? I am also suppose to start on an interferon drug next week for MS, I don't know where to find information in regard to drug interactions with CS, or if that is a problem. I am allergic to many antibiotics, are there any adverse reactions other than the hex reaction from bacteria decaying. I have Lyme's disease, can CS help kill this bacteria. Thanks so much, joni Original Message Follows From: "William Amos" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:09:18 Hi Joni: Thanks to Dr. Kenney, Garnet and others on the list that have taken their time to give their input on this problem, I believe that there is help. It is your decision to try the Colloidal Silver, and as you have read, it has helped many. I will keep the list informed on the young lady that I mentioned with the same problem. Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Joni Lovegrove
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed in is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Is this injested orally? Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed in is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that CS could help MS? thank, joni Original Message Follows From: "Dan Nave" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 Is this injested orally? Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed in is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Joni Lovegrove
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Joni, I sense the urgency you are in, and will offer a "possible" solution or aid as it may be. I am currently on a product once known as "reticulose" in PDRs from the 30's to 1962 which had great efficacy towards the Flu and other ailments. It was taken off the shelf from 1962 to this date because horse collagen(an early ingredient) was replaced by cow collagen which made the drug impervious to side effects. The drug which has now been even more enhanced is currently undergoing #2 clinical trials in Israel at a very prestigious institute, reknown throughout the world. I have a friend whose wife has had "MS" for over 20 years, and has been in a w/chr most of that time. She started on the modified reticulose(now called AVR 118, and has now put her w/chr aside. She has made remarkable progress and now walks w/o the aid of a cane, etc.. You can find more information by inserting the word Reticulose or AVR 118 in your browser. Myself, I was given 6 mos to live in Apr '03, but since being on this regimen am back working full time for the government, and my health has improved dramatically. Check out the company Advance Viral Research(ADVR) web site.Pete
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Multiple sclerosis is covered on pages 46, 156-7 in Dr. Morton Walker's book, DMSO - Nature's Healer. They can be ordered from Chapters in Canada. Dr. Walker resides in Stamford, Connecticut. Book published by Avery Publishing Group A list of the doctors using DMSO is in the book. Cliff. - Original Message - From: "Joni Lovegrove" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:41 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that CS could help MS? thank, joni Original Message Follows From: "Dan Nave" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 Is this injested orally? Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed in is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Joni Lovegrove
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Dr. Hulda Clark says MS is caused by flukes, a type of parasite, getting into the brain. Read her book, "The Cure for all diseases." It has many case histories. I'm a reflexologist and reflexology is very good for MS patients. Best wishes to you. Adie >>> ch...@shaw.ca 11/1/2004 9:02:19 AM >>> Multiple sclerosis is covered on pages 46, 156-7 in Dr. Morton Walker's book, DMSO - Nature's Healer. They can be ordered from Chapters in Canada. Dr. Walker resides in Stamford, Connecticut. Book published by Avery Publishing Group A list of the doctors using DMSO is in the book. Cliff. - Original Message - From: "Joni Lovegrove" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:41 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem > to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any > additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I cannot > start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this point...from what > I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there > any evidence that CS could help MS? > > thank, > joni > > > Original Message Follows > From: "Dan Nave" > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > To: > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > Is this injested orally? > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > in > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > -- > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
A customer of mine gave me a call a few months ago, about her husband who had been diagnosed with Hepatitis C about 13 months before she called me. The doctor wanted to start him on interferon, but her husband decided to try something else instead. His decision was to take a tablespoon of colloidal silver orally (about 5ppm, made with the simple three 9-volt battery method) every day for a year. He went back to the doctor to be retested about a week before his wife called me with the results, and although they show that he still has Hepatitis C, according to the doctor, they also show that he is doing better than if he had been taking the interferon for the year. While this doesn't deal specifically with MS, it does show that in some cases, colloidal silver might be just as good, or even better than some of the drugs out there. While I never recommend going against doctors therapies (that is an individual choice that should be made after due diligence), I do strongly suggest that one always supplement what the doctor orders with colloidal silver. After all, as far as I know, it's not going to hurt. Yours in health, -James Allison - Original Message - From: "Joni Lovegrove" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that CS could help MS? thank, joni Original Message Follows From: "Dan Nave" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 Is this injested orally? Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed in is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Joni Lovegrove
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I have a friend with Hep C who I gave 3 8oz bottles of 15ppm silver of which he is taking 6 tbsp/day. He will give me the results of his blood tests after a month on the CS. I will post the results when he gets his blood checked. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I would be very surprised if a tablespoon of CS did much good. Maybe better than interfron, but I would not expect it to cure him. If he had taken several ounces, as much as 16 or so a day, I bet he would have been cured of it within a week or so. I have read that Hep. C responsds quite well to EIS. Marshall James Allison wrote: > A customer of mine gave me a call a few months ago, about her husband who > had been diagnosed with Hepatitis C about 13 months before she called me. > The doctor wanted to start him on interferon, but her husband decided to try > something else instead. His decision was to take a tablespoon of colloidal > silver orally (about 5ppm, made with the simple three 9-volt battery method) > every day for a year. He went back to the doctor to be retested about a > week before his wife called me with the results, and although they show that > he still has Hepatitis C, according to the doctor, they also show that he is > doing better than if he had been taking the interferon for the year. While > this doesn't deal specifically with MS, it does show that in some cases, > colloidal silver might be just as good, or even better than some of the > drugs out there. While I never recommend going against doctors therapies > (that is an individual choice that should be made after due diligence), I do > strongly suggest that one always supplement what the doctor orders with > colloidal silver. After all, as far as I know, it's not going to hurt. > > Yours in health, > -James Allison > > - Original Message - > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:41 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem > > to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > > question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any > > additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I cannot > > start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this point...from what > > I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there > > any evidence that CS could help MS? > > > > thank, > > joni > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > From: "Dan Nave" > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > > > Is this injested orally? > > > > > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > > > > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > > in > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > > > > >
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Marshall, I'm new on this forum, please clarify what is EIS. THanks. Adie >>> mdud...@king-cart.com 11/1/2004 9:34:14 AM >>> I would be very surprised if a tablespoon of CS did much good. Maybe better than interfron, but I would not expect it to cure him. If he had taken several ounces, as much as 16 or so a day, I bet he would have been cured of it within a week or so. I have read that Hep. C responsds quite well to EIS. Marshall James Allison wrote: > A customer of mine gave me a call a few months ago, about her husband who > had been diagnosed with Hepatitis C about 13 months before she called me. > The doctor wanted to start him on interferon, but her husband decided to try > something else instead. His decision was to take a tablespoon of colloidal > silver orally (about 5ppm, made with the simple three 9-volt battery method) > every day for a year. He went back to the doctor to be retested about a > week before his wife called me with the results, and although they show that > he still has Hepatitis C, according to the doctor, they also show that he is > doing better than if he had been taking the interferon for the year. While > this doesn't deal specifically with MS, it does show that in some cases, > colloidal silver might be just as good, or even better than some of the > drugs out there. While I never recommend going against doctors therapies > (that is an individual choice that should be made after due diligence), I do > strongly suggest that one always supplement what the doctor orders with > colloidal silver. After all, as far as I know, it's not going to hurt. > > Yours in health, > -James Allison > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:41 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem > > to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > > question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any > > additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I cannot > > start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this point...from what > > I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there > > any evidence that CS could help MS? > > > > thank, > > joni > > > > > > Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Dan Nave" > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > > > Is this injested orally? > > > > > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > > > > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > > in > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > > > > >
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*nodding in agreement* I did suggest that they up the level to a cup a day for at least a week or two, and then to get tested again, but she hasn't called back, so I have no idea if took my suggestion to heart. I too have heard of what most would term as miraculous recoveries from Hep C by taking large amounts of CS. Yours in heath, James P.S. It's good to see you're still here :) - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) I would be very surprised if a tablespoon of CS did much good. Maybe better than interfron, but I would not expect it to cure him. If he had taken several ounces, as much as 16 or so a day, I bet he would have been cured of it within a week or so. I have read that Hep. C responsds quite well to EIS. Marshall James Allison wrote: A customer of mine gave me a call a few months ago, about her husband who had been diagnosed with Hepatitis C about 13 months before she called me. The doctor wanted to start him on interferon, but her husband decided to try something else instead. His decision was to take a tablespoon of colloidal silver orally (about 5ppm, made with the simple three 9-volt battery method) every day for a year. He went back to the doctor to be retested about a week before his wife called me with the results, and although they show that he still has Hepatitis C, according to the doctor, they also show that he is doing better than if he had been taking the interferon for the year. While this doesn't deal specifically with MS, it does show that in some cases, colloidal silver might be just as good, or even better than some of the drugs out there. While I never recommend going against doctors therapies (that is an individual choice that should be made after due diligence), I do strongly suggest that one always supplement what the doctor orders with colloidal silver. After all, as far as I know, it's not going to hurt. Yours in health, -James Allison - Original Message - From: "Joni Lovegrove" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, > I > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four > days > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only > seem > to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any > additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I > cannot > start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this point...from > what > I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there > any evidence that CS could help MS? > > thank, > joni > > > ----Original Message Follows > From: "Dan Nave" > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > To: > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > Is this injested orally? > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > in > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > -- > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > >
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Electrolytically Isoloated Silver. It is produced by placing silver wires into distilled water and running a current through them. The composition is usually about 80 to 90% ionic silver, and 10 to 20% colloidal silver. It is the silver most of the people on this group take. Marshall Adrienne Elliott wrote: > Marshall, > I'm new on this forum, please clarify what is EIS. THanks. > > Adie > > >>> mdud...@king-cart.com 11/1/2004 9:34:14 AM >>> > I would be very surprised if a tablespoon of CS did much good. Maybe > better than > interfron, but I would not expect it to cure him. If he had taken > several ounces, as > much as 16 or so a day, I bet he would have been cured of it within a > week or so. I > have read that Hep. C responsds quite well to EIS. > > Marshall > > James Allison wrote: > > > A customer of mine gave me a call a few months ago, about her husband > who > > had been diagnosed with Hepatitis C about 13 months before she called > me. > > The doctor wanted to start him on interferon, but her husband decided > to try > > something else instead. His decision was to take a tablespoon of > colloidal > > silver orally (about 5ppm, made with the simple three 9-volt battery > method) > > every day for a year. He went back to the doctor to be retested > about a > > week before his wife called me with the results, and although they > show that > > he still has Hepatitis C, according to the doctor, they also show > that he is > > doing better than if he had been taking the interferon for the year. > While > > this doesn't deal specifically with MS, it does show that in some > cases, > > colloidal silver might be just as good, or even better than some of > the > > drugs out there. While I never recommend going against doctors > therapies > > (that is an individual choice that should be made after due > diligence), I do > > strongly suggest that one always supplement what the doctor orders > with > > colloidal silver. After all, as far as I know, it's not going to > hurt. > > > > Yours in health, > > -James Allison > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:41 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of > course, I > > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for > four days > > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, > only seem > > > to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > > > question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any > > > additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I > cannot > > > start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this > point...from what > > > I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is > there > > > any evidence that CS could help MS? > > > > > > thank, > > > joni > > > > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > > From: "Dan Nave" > > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > > > > > Is this injested orally? > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a > half > > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) > mixed > > > in > > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal > Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Oh, thanks. If you didn't want to make it where is a reliable supplier? Thanks. Adie >>> mdud...@king-cart.com 11/1/2004 10:03:26 AM >>> Electrolytically Isoloated Silver. It is produced by placing silver wires into distilled water and running a current through them. The composition is usually about 80 to 90% ionic silver, and 10 to 20% colloidal silver. It is the silver most of the people on this group take. Marshall Adrienne Elliott wrote: > Marshall, > I'm new on this forum, please clarify what is EIS. THanks. > > Adie > > >>> mdud...@king-cart.com 11/1/2004 9:34:14 AM >>> > I would be very surprised if a tablespoon of CS did much good. Maybe > better than > interfron, but I would not expect it to cure him. If he had taken > several ounces, as > much as 16 or so a day, I bet he would have been cured of it within a > week or so. I > have read that Hep. C responsds quite well to EIS. > > Marshall > > James Allison wrote: > > > A customer of mine gave me a call a few months ago, about her husband > who > > had been diagnosed with Hepatitis C about 13 months before she called > me. > > The doctor wanted to start him on interferon, but her husband decided > to try > > something else instead. His decision was to take a tablespoon of > colloidal > > silver orally (about 5ppm, made with the simple three 9-volt battery > method) > > every day for a year. He went back to the doctor to be retested > about a > > week before his wife called me with the results, and although they > show that > > he still has Hepatitis C, according to the doctor, they also show > that he is > > doing better than if he had been taking the interferon for the year. > While > > this doesn't deal specifically with MS, it does show that in some > cases, > > colloidal silver might be just as good, or even better than some of > the > > drugs out there. While I never recommend going against doctors > therapies > > (that is an individual choice that should be made after due > diligence), I do > > strongly suggest that one always supplement what the doctor orders > with > > colloidal silver. After all, as far as I know, it's not going to > hurt. > > > > Yours in health, > > -James Allison > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:41 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of > course, I > > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for > four days > > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, > only seem > > > to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > > > question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any > > > additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I > cannot > > > start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this > point...from what > > > I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is > there > > > any evidence that CS could help MS? > > > > > > thank, > > > joni > > > > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > > From: "Dan Nave" > > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > > > > > Is this injested orally? > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a > half > > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) > mixed > > > in > > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal > Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food products. - Original Message - From: "Joni Lovegrove" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem to > be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more question...since > I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I > need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this > infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about > interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that CS > could help MS? > > thank, > joni > > > Original Message Follows > From: "Dan Nave" > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > To: > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > Is this injested orally? > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > -- -- > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > in > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > -- > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > Joni Lovegrove >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
TJ, Thanks, I had heard that it could be a culprit, I cut it out of my diet about two years ago because it was a major migraine trigger for me, but maybe I am getting in foods that I am not aware of. I will go online and check that out. - joni Original Message Follows From: "T J Garland" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:13:47 -0500 Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food products. - Original Message - From: "Joni Lovegrove" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem to > be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more question...since > I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I > need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this > infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about > interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that CS > could help MS? > > thank, > joni > > > Original Message Follows > From: "Dan Nave" > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > To: > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > Is this injested orally? > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > -- -- > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > in > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > -- > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > Joni Lovegrove > Joni Lovegrove
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. It has nothng to do with aspertame. It is a man made viruswww.rain-tree.com/myco.htm Nancy - Original Message - From: "T J Garland" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was > pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food > products. > - Original Message - > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem > to > > be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > question...since > > I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I > > need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this > > infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about > > interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that CS > > could help MS? > > > > thank, > > joni > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > From: "Dan Nave" > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > > > Is this injested orally? > > > > > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > -- > -- > > > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > > in > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
My friend with Hep C took 6 tbsp per day for the last week and reported diareah and flu like symptoms. I encouraged him to stay the course and that this is probably a good sign that the Hep C is getting knocked out . We'll see. Blood tests to follow. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Yes and no. That is correct for true MS, but Rumsfeld disease mimics MS, so now the majority of diagnosed MS cases are now not true MS but misdiagnosed Rumsfeld disease, or aspertame poisoning. Marshall nancymike wrote: > MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. It > has nothng to do with aspertame. It is a man made > viruswww.rain-tree.com/myco.htm > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "T J Garland" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was > > pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food > > products. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, > I > > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four > days > > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only > seem > > to > > > be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > > question...since > > > I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information > I > > > need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until > this > > > infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about > > > interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that > CS > > > could help MS? > > > > > > thank, > > > joni > > > > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > > From: "Dan Nave" > > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > > > > > Is this injested orally? > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > > > in > > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > > > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Dr. H. Clark says it is a parasite in the brain. Adie >>> nancym...@prodigy.net 11/1/2004 8:33:31 PM >>> MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. It has nothng to do with aspertame. It is a man made viruswww.rain-tree.com/myco.htm Nancy - Original Message - From: "T J Garland" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was > pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food > products. > - Original Message - > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem > to > > be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > question...since > > I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I > > need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this > > infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about > > interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that CS > > could help MS? > > > > thank, > > joni > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > From: "Dan Nave" > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > > > Is this injested orally? > > > > > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > -- > -- > > > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > > in > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
I was talking with a neurologist recently who stated that most artificial sweeteners are toxic to the nervous system. Looks like mainstream people are getting the idea now. Sally Marshall Dudley wrote: Yes and no. That is correct for true MS, but Rumsfeld disease mimics MS, so now the majority of diagnosed MS cases are now not true MS but misdiagnosed Rumsfeld disease, or aspertame poisoning. Marshall nancymike wrote: > MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. It > has nothng to do with aspertame. It is a man made > viruswww.rain-tree.com/myco.htm > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "T J Garland" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was > > pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food > > products. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, > I > > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four > days > > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only > seem > > to > > > be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > > question...since > > > I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information > I > > > need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until > this > > > infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about > > > interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that > CS > > > could help MS? > > > > > > thank, > > > joni > > > > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > > From: "Dan Nave" > > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > > > > > Is this injested orally? > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > > > in > > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > > > > - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Xylitol, a very low carb, low cal. sweetener that is one to one with sugar has been used in abroad for over 30 yr., with great success. I have used it in my home for over 3 years , we all love. It tastes good, and is good for you. http://www.emeraldforestxylitol.com/ Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. Sally Khanna wrote: I was talking with a neurologist recently who stated that most artificial sweeteners are toxic to the nervous system. Looks like mainstream people are getting the idea now. Sally Marshall Dudley wrote: Yes and no. That is correct for true MS, but Rumsfeld disease mimics MS, so now the majority of diagnosed MS cases are now not true MS but misdiagnosed Rumsfeld disease, or aspertame poisoning. Marshall nancymike wrote: > MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. It > has nothng to do with aspertame. It is a man made > viruswww.rain-tree.com/myco.htm > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "T J Garland" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was > > pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food > > products. > > - Original! Message - > > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, > I > > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four > days > > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only > seem > > to > > > be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > > question...since > > > I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information > I > > > need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until > this > > > infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about > > > interferon...I don't even want to ! take it. Is there any evidence that > CS > > > could help MS? > > > > > > thank, > > > joni > > > > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > > From: "Dan Nave" > > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > > > > > Is this injested orally? > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > > > I have! found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > > > in > > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > List mainta! iner: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
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I took back the chewable Vitamin C I`d gotten from Kmart, when I saw that even it had aspartame in it! You gotta watch out!! Marshalee > Anyone try that new Altoids Gum? I loved it until I read the ingredients > -- it has aspartame, yikes! > > Garnet > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Haven't used xylitol, but it is a sugar alcohol, right?. The maltitol that has been gaining popularity I know is heating and that property is not good for the nervous system. I've seen several people who have problems very shortly after consuming this. Don't know about the xylitol, but it may also be and I do suspect it is. Usually, these sweeteners come with a "laxative effect" warning. Sally Tel Tofflemire wrote: Xylitol, a very low carb, low cal. sweetener that is one to one with sugar has been used in abroad for over 30 yr., with great success. I have used it in my home for over 3 years , we all love. It tastes good, and is good for you. http://www.emeraldforestxylitol.com/ Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. Sally Khanna wrote: I was talking with a neurologist recently who stated that most artificial sweeteners are toxic to the nervous system. Looks like mainstream people are getting the idea now. Sally Marshall Dudley wrote: Yes and no. That is correct for true MS, but Rumsfeld disease mimics MS, so now the majority of diagnosed MS cases are now not true MS but misdiagnosed Rumsfeld disease, or aspertame poisoning. Marshall nancymike wrote: > MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. It > has nothng to do with aspertame. It is a man made > viruswww.rain-tree.com/myco.htm > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "T J Garland" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was > > pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food > > products. > > - Original! Message - > > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, > I > > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four > days > > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only > seem > > to > > > be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > > question...since > > > I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information > I > > > need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until > this > > > infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about > > > interferon...I don't even want to ! take it. Is there any evidence that > CS > > > could help MS? > > > > > > thank, > > > joni > > > > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > > From: "Dan Nave" > > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > > > > > Is this injested orally? > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > > > I have! found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > > > in > > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > List mainta! iner: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > > > > - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a
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Hi All, I'm not sure who said the following but it's misinformation. It never happened. The information here has been circulating in one form or another for years now. At first it was The World Environmental Conference and the person who spoke was "Nancy Markle". Nancy Markle is a fictitious person. Then it was attributed to Betty Martini. Martini herself states she never spoke at such a conference. Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was > > pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food > > products.>> ** Here is more misinformation. >>> nancym...@prodigy.net 11/1/2004 8:33:31 PM >>> MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. It has nothng to do with aspertame. It is a man made viruswww.rain-tree.com/myco.htm>> ** I refer to this as misinformation for several reasons. MS is a very difficult disease to diagnose and cannot be confirmed until after death. Nancy, who insists that MS is a virus, was far from definitively diagnosed as having MS. The belief that MS is a vius is just that--a belief. To go on to say that it is a mycoplasma only illlustrates the error in thinking. Mycoplasma is not a virus. Unlike viruses, mycoplasmas can grow inside any living tissue cell without killing the cells. My only interest here is in not misleading people who come here looking for information that don't have the background to evaluate the information being given. Someday, the proper information could be the difference between life and death. Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I've been using it, as well as splenda and have no ill effects. At the same time I have lost 50 lbs. Works for me! Dave Sally Khanna wrote: Haven't used xylitol, but it is a sugar alcohol, right?. The maltitol that has been gaining popularity I know is heating and that property is not good for the nervous system. I've seen several people who have problems very shortly after consuming this. Don't know about the xylitol, but it may also be and I do suspect it is. Usually, these sweeteners come with a "laxative effect" warning. Sally Tel Tofflemire wrote: Xylitol, a very low carb, low cal. sweetener that is one to one with sugar has been used in abroad for over 30 yr., with great success. I have used it in my home for over 3 years , we all love. It tastes good, and is good for you. http://www.emeraldforestxylitol.com/ Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. Sally Khanna wrote: I was talking with a neurologist recently who stated that most artificial sweeteners are toxic to the nervous system. Looks like mainstream people are getting the idea now. Sally Marshall Dudley wrote: Yes and no. That is correct for true MS, but Rumsfeld disease mimics MS, so now the majority of diagnosed MS cases are now not true MS but misdiagnosed Rumsfeld disease, or aspertame poisoning. Marshall nancymike wrote: MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. It has nothng to do with aspertame. It is a man made viruswww.rain-tree.com/myco.htm Nancy - Original Message - From: "T J Garland" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food products. - Original! Message - From: "Joni Lovegrove" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about interferon...I don't even want to ! take it. Is there any evidence that CS could help MS? thank, joni Original Message Follows From: "Dan Nave" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 Is this injested orally? Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 -- -- I have! found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed in is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List mainta! iner: Mike Devour Joni Lovegrove - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a
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Anyone try that new Altoids Gum? I loved it until I read the ingredients -- it has aspartame, yikes! Garnet On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:13, T J Garland wrote: > Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was > pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food > products. > - Original Message - > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem > to > > be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > question...since > > I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I > > need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this > > infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about > > interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that CS > > could help MS? > > > > thank, > > joni > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > From: "Dan Nave" > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > > > Is this injested orally? > > > > > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > -- > -- > > > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > > in > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > >
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On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 22:33, nancymike wrote: > MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. It > has nothng to do with aspertame. I believe you meant MS is NOT a virus? Aspartame could indeed contribute to the invasion of the joint, by causing inflammatory conditions. Great article btw, thanks for posting this. Garnet http://www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm "Mycoplasmas, unlike viruses, can grow in tissue fluids (blood, joint, heart, chest and spinal fluids) and can grow inside any living tissue cell without killing the cells, as most normal bacteria and viruses will do. Mycoplasmas are frequently found in the oral and genito-urinary tracts of normal healthy people and are found to infect females four times more often than males, which just happens to be the same incidence rate in rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue and other related disorders.(7) Mycoplasmas are parasitic in nature and can attach to specific cells without killing the cells and thus their infection process and progress can go undetected. In some people the attachment of mycoplasmas to the host cell acts like a living thorn; a persistent foreign substance, causing the host's immune defense mechanism to wage war. This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, swollen, and painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid diseases, fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus and MS, Crohn's and others. In such cases the immune system begins attacking itself and/or seemingly healthy cells. Some species of mycoplasmas also have the unique ability to completely evade the immune system. Once they attach to a host cell in the body, their unique plasma and protein coating can then mimic the cell wall of the host cell and the immune system cannot differentiate the mycoplasma from the body's own host cell." -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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NO diarrhea? sol Tel Tofflemire wrote: Xylitol, a very low carb, low cal. sweetener that is one to one with sugar has been used in abroad for over 30 yr., with great success. I have used it in my home for over 3 years , we all love. It tastes good, and is good for you. http://www.emeraldforestxylitol.com/ Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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There is a note on the container that says to start out slow and not take too much until your used to it, we did that & we now use xylitol as a sugar replacement. I do not know of anyone who had a problem with loose bowels from xyito if they followed directions. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ sol wrote: NO diarrhea? sol Tel Tofflemire wrote: Xylitol, a very low carb, low cal. sweetener that is one to one with sugar has been used in abroad for over 30 yr., with great success. I have used it in my home for over 3 years , we all love. It tastes good, and is good for you. http://www.emeraldforestxylitol.com/ Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Yup. I saw that. It seems they don't miss an opportunity to throw that in whenever they can. One has to be very vigilant. Sally Garnet wrote: Anyone try that new Altoids Gum? I loved it until I read the ingredients -- it has aspartame, yikes! Garnet On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:13, T J Garland wrote: > Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was > pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food > products. > - Original Message - > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem > to > > be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > question...since > > I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I > > need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this > > infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about > > interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that CS > > could help MS? > > > > thank, > > joni > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > From: "Dan Nave" > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > > > Is this injested orally? > > > > > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > -- > -- > > > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > > in > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > > - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a
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I wonder why they are not using stevia to sweeten things? >>> khann...@yahoo.com 11/2/2004 11:47:23 AM >>> Yup. I saw that. It seems they don't miss an opportunity to throw that in whenever they can. One has to be very vigilant. Sally Garnet wrote: Anyone try that new Altoids Gum? I loved it until I read the ingredients -- it has aspartame, yikes! Garnet On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:13, T J Garland wrote: > Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was > pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food > products. > - Original Message - > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem > to > > be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > question...since > > I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I > > need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this > > infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about > > interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that CS > > could help MS? > > > > thank, > > joni > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > From: "Dan Nave" > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 > > > > Is this injested orally? > > > > > > > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 > > > > -- > -- > > > > I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed > > in > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > > - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a
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Adrienne: I don't use stevia any more as no two batches are the same. Even from the same company. It is very difficult to get the correct amount for your taste,and it has an aftertaste that I don't get from splenda or xylitol. Xylitol has other benefits also (anti fungal) and possibly others. It is quite expensive though. Dave Adrienne Elliott wrote: I wonder why they are not using stevia to sweeten things? khann...@yahoo.com 11/2/2004 11:47:23 AM >>> Yup. I saw that. It seems they don't miss an opportunity to throw that in whenever they can. One has to be very vigilant. Sally Garnet wrote: Anyone try that new Altoids Gum? I loved it until I read the ingredients -- it has aspartame, yikes! Garnet On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:13, T J Garland wrote: Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food products. - Original Message - From: "Joni Lovegrove" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that CS could help MS? thank, joni Original Message Follows From: "Dan Nave" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 Is this injested orally? Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 -- -- I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed in is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Joni Lovegrove - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Too bad, I didn't know. I use honey. Adie >>> ddar...@centurytel.net 11/2/2004 12:18:32 PM >>> Adrienne: I don't use stevia any more as no two batches are the same. Even from the same company. It is very difficult to get the correct amount for your taste,and it has an aftertaste that I don't get from splenda or xylitol. Xylitol has other benefits also (anti fungal) and possibly others. It is quite expensive though. Dave Adrienne Elliott wrote: > I wonder why they are not using stevia to sweeten things? > > >>>>khann...@yahoo.com 11/2/2004 11:47:23 AM >>> > > Yup. I saw that. It seems they don't miss an opportunity to throw > that in whenever they can. One has to be very vigilant. > > Sally > > Garnet wrote: > Anyone try that new Altoids Gum? I loved it until I read the > ingredients > -- it has aspartame, yikes! > > Garnet > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:13, T J Garland wrote: > >>Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it > > was > >>pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 > > food > >>products. >>- Original Message - >>From: "Joni Lovegrove" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM >>Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) >> >> >> >>>Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of > > course, I > >>>could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four > > days > >>>and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, > > only seem > >>to >> >>>be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more >> >>question...since >> >>>I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional > > information I > >>>need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds > > until this > >>>infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about >>>interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence > > that CS > >>>could help MS? >>> >>>thank, >>>joni >>> >>> >>>Original Message Follows >>>From: "Dan Nave" >>>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) >>>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 >>> >>>Is this injested orally? >>> >>> >>> >>>Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) >>> >>>From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) >>>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 >>> >>> > > -- > >>-- >> >>>I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a > > half > >>>teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) > > mixed > >>>in >>>is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal > > Silver. > >>>Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > >>>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >>>Silver List archive: > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >>>Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >>>OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > >>>List maintainer: Mike Devour >>> >>> >>> >>>Joni Lovegrove >>> >> > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a > > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
I use stevia, which I personally like a lot.
http://www.stevianow.com/
It's what they use in Diet Coke and Pepsi in Japan instead of aspartame and
acesulfame.
Paul H
- Original Message -
From: Sally Khanna
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Haven't used xylitol, but it is a sugar alcohol, right?. The maltitol that
has been gaining popularity I know is heating and that property is not good for
the nervous system. I've seen several people who have problems very shortly
after consuming this.
Don't know about the xylitol, but it may also be and I do suspect it is.
Usually, these sweeteners come with a "laxative effect" warning.
Sally
Tel Tofflemire wrote:
Xylitol, a very low carb, low cal. sweetener that is one to one with sugar
has been used in abroad for over 30 yr., with great success. I have used it
in my home for over 3 years , we all love. It tastes good, and is good for you.
http://www.emeraldforestxylitol.com/
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.
Sally Khanna wrote:
I was talking with a neurologist recently who stated that most artificial
sweeteners are toxic to the nervous system. Looks like mainstream people are
getting the idea now.
Sally
Marshall Dudley wrote:
Yes and no. That is correct for true MS, but Rumsfeld disease mimics
MS, so now
the majority of diagnosed MS cases are now not true MS but misdiagnosed
Rumsfeld
disease, or aspertame poisoning.
Marshall
nancymike wrote:
> MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with
CS. It
> has nothng to do with aspertame. It is a man made
> viruswww.rain-tree.com/myco.htm
> Nancy
> - Original Message -
> From: "T J Garland"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:13 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
>
> > Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it
was
> > pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000
food
> > products.
> >! - Original! Message -
> > From: "Joni Lovegrove"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
> >
> >
> > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of
course,
> I
> > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for
four
> days
> > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics,
only
> seem
> > to
> > > be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more
> > question...since
> > > I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional
information
> I
> > > need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds
until
> this
> > > infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about
> > > interfer! on...I don't even want to ! take it. Is there any
evidence that
> CS
> > > could help MS?
> > >
> > > thank,
> > > joni
> > >
> > >
> > > Original Message Follows----
> > > From: "Dan Nave"
> > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
> > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500
> > >
> > > Is this injested orally?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
> > >
> > > From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author)
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37
> > >
> >
> >
--
> > --
&! gt; > >
> > > I have! found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a
half
> > > teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice)
mixed
> > > in
> > > is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
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Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
I truly believe MS is a mycoplasma, which is a man made virus. All MS patients who are using CS are doing well. This is because it is a virus. Nancy - Original Message - From: "Garnet" To: "Silver List" Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 22:33, nancymike wrote: > > MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. It > > has nothng to do with aspertame. > > > I believe you meant MS is NOT a virus? > > Aspartame could indeed contribute to the invasion of the joint, by > causing inflammatory conditions. > > Great article btw, thanks for posting this. > > Garnet > > > > http://www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm > > "Mycoplasmas, unlike viruses, can grow in tissue fluids (blood, joint, > heart, chest and spinal fluids) and can grow inside any living tissue > cell without killing the cells, as most normal bacteria and viruses will > do. Mycoplasmas are frequently found in the oral and genito-urinary > tracts of normal healthy people and are found to infect females four > times more often than males, which just happens to be the same incidence > rate in rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue and other > related disorders.(7) Mycoplasmas are parasitic in nature and can attach > to specific cells without killing the cells and thus their infection > process and progress can go undetected. In some people the attachment of > mycoplasmas to the host cell acts like a living thorn; a persistent > foreign substance, causing the host's immune defense mechanism to wage > war. This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, > swollen, and painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid > diseases, fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus > and MS, Crohn's and others. In such cases the immune system begins > attacking itself and/or seemingly healthy cells. Some species of > mycoplasmas also have the unique ability to completely evade the immune > system. Once they attach to a host cell in the body, their unique plasma > and protein coating can then mimic the cell wall of the host cell and > the immune system cannot differentiate the mycoplasma from the body's > own host cell." > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Mycoplasma is NOT a virus. It is half way between a bacteria and a fungus, in a class all its own. Viruses are entirely different in structure and reproductive behavior. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 22:16, nancymike wrote: > I truly believe MS is a mycoplasma, which is a man made virus. All MS > patients who are using CS are doing well. This is because it is a virus. > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "Garnet" > To: "Silver List" > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 11:35 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 22:33, nancymike wrote: > > > MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. > It > > > has nothng to do with aspertame. > > > > > > I believe you meant MS is NOT a virus? > > > > Aspartame could indeed contribute to the invasion of the joint, by > > causing inflammatory conditions. > > > > Great article btw, thanks for posting this. > > > > Garnet > > > > > > > > http://www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm > > > > "Mycoplasmas, unlike viruses, can grow in tissue fluids (blood, joint, > > heart, chest and spinal fluids) and can grow inside any living tissue > > cell without killing the cells, as most normal bacteria and viruses will > > do. Mycoplasmas are frequently found in the oral and genito-urinary > > tracts of normal healthy people and are found to infect females four > > times more often than males, which just happens to be the same incidence > > rate in rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue and other > > related disorders.(7) Mycoplasmas are parasitic in nature and can attach > > to specific cells without killing the cells and thus their infection > > process and progress can go undetected. In some people the attachment of > > mycoplasmas to the host cell acts like a living thorn; a persistent > > foreign substance, causing the host's immune defense mechanism to wage > > war. This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, > > swollen, and painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid > > diseases, fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus > > and MS, Crohn's and others. In such cases the immune system begins > > attacking itself and/or seemingly healthy cells. Some species of > > mycoplasmas also have the unique ability to completely evade the immune > > system. Once they attach to a host cell in the body, their unique plasma > > and protein coating can then mimic the cell wall of the host cell and > > the immune system cannot differentiate the mycoplasma from the body's > > own host cell." > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Whatever it is it is a man made single cell that can be destriyed by CS. Nancy - Original Message - From: "Garnet" To: "Silver List" Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 11:35 PM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > Mycoplasma is NOT a virus. It is half way between a bacteria and a > fungus, in a class all its own. Viruses are entirely different in > structure and reproductive behavior. > > Garnet > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 22:16, nancymike wrote: > > I truly believe MS is a mycoplasma, which is a man made virus. All MS > > patients who are using CS are doing well. This is because it is a virus. > > Nancy > > - Original Message - > > From: "Garnet" > > To: "Silver List" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 11:35 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 22:33, nancymike wrote: > > > > MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. > > It > > > > has nothng to do with aspertame. > > > > > > > > > I believe you meant MS is NOT a virus? > > > > > > Aspartame could indeed contribute to the invasion of the joint, by > > > causing inflammatory conditions. > > > > > > Great article btw, thanks for posting this. > > > > > > Garnet > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm > > > > > > "Mycoplasmas, unlike viruses, can grow in tissue fluids (blood, joint, > > > heart, chest and spinal fluids) and can grow inside any living tissue > > > cell without killing the cells, as most normal bacteria and viruses will > > > do. Mycoplasmas are frequently found in the oral and genito-urinary > > > tracts of normal healthy people and are found to infect females four > > > times more often than males, which just happens to be the same incidence > > > rate in rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue and other > > > related disorders.(7) Mycoplasmas are parasitic in nature and can attach > > > to specific cells without killing the cells and thus their infection > > > process and progress can go undetected. In some people the attachment of > > > mycoplasmas to the host cell acts like a living thorn; a persistent > > > foreign substance, causing the host's immune defense mechanism to wage > > > war. This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, > > > swollen, and painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid > > > diseases, fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus > > > and MS, Crohn's and others. In such cases the immune system begins > > > attacking itself and/or seemingly healthy cells. Some species of > > > mycoplasmas also have the unique ability to completely evade the immune > > > system. Once they attach to a host cell in the body, their unique plasma > > > and protein coating can then mimic the cell wall of the host cell and > > > the immune system cannot differentiate the mycoplasma from the body's > > > own host cell." > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Mycoplasma has been around a very long time. The microcrysatlline that can hide in cells may be genitically manipulated. DMSO and CS will kill it. CS can only kill it if it can get to it, the DMSO helps there. Viruses are an entirely different organism, cannot reproduce on their own, must take over the cells machinery to make more viruses. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 23:04, nancymike wrote: > Whatever it is it is a man made single cell that can be destriyed by CS. > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "Garnet" > To: "Silver List" > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 11:35 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > Mycoplasma is NOT a virus. It is half way between a bacteria and a > > fungus, in a class all its own. Viruses are entirely different in > > structure and reproductive behavior. > > > > Garnet > > > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 22:16, nancymike wrote: > > > I truly believe MS is a mycoplasma, which is a man made virus. All MS > > > patients who are using CS are doing well. This is because it is a > virus. > > > Nancy > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Garnet" > > > To: "Silver List" > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 11:35 AM > > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 22:33, nancymike wrote: > > > > > MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with > CS. > > > It > > > > > has nothng to do with aspertame. > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe you meant MS is NOT a virus? > > > > > > > > Aspartame could indeed contribute to the invasion of the joint, by > > > > causing inflammatory conditions. > > > > > > > > Great article btw, thanks for posting this. > > > > > > > > Garnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm > > > > > > > > "Mycoplasmas, unlike viruses, can grow in tissue fluids (blood, joint, > > > > heart, chest and spinal fluids) and can grow inside any living tissue > > > > cell without killing the cells, as most normal bacteria and viruses > will > > > > do. Mycoplasmas are frequently found in the oral and genito-urinary > > > > tracts of normal healthy people and are found to infect females four > > > > times more often than males, which just happens to be the same > incidence > > > > rate in rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue and other > > > > related disorders.(7) Mycoplasmas are parasitic in nature and can > attach > > > > to specific cells without killing the cells and thus their infection > > > > process and progress can go undetected. In some people the attachment > of > > > > mycoplasmas to the host cell acts like a living thorn; a persistent > > > > foreign substance, causing the host's immune defense mechanism to wage > > > > war. This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, > > > > swollen, and painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid > > > > diseases, fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus > > > > and MS, Crohn's and others. In such cases the immune system begins > > > > attacking itself and/or seemingly healthy cells. Some species of > > > > mycoplasmas also have the unique ability to completely evade the > immune > > > > system. Once they attach to a host cell in the body, their unique > plasma > > > > and protein coating can then mimic the cell wall of the host cell and > > > > the immune system cannot differentiate the mycoplasma from the body's > > > > own host cell." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria -birds
At 02:40 AM 12/11/04, Garnet wrote: Funny I was just thinking about these two terms and wondering if they were interchangeable. Thanks for filling in my thoughts! On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:30, mamapug wrote: > Hey, Garnet, a real buzzard is actually a hawk. > The carrion eaters are vultures. > Sorry, I`m a bird-loving purist... :o) > Marshalee VULTURE: 1. Various large diurnal birds of prey having naked heads and weak claws and feeding chiefly on carrion 2. Someone who attacks in search of booty Ooooh, like a Pharmaceutical Board Of Directors!! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
This is an old email, but I have a question concerning mycoplasms for someone willing to answer. I have other chronic problems I have asked questions about previously but most recently have had an unexplained pulmonary problem which presents itself as asthma, but none of the conventional treatments have worked. My husband and I have been ill since before Thanksgiving, which started with what we thought was the flu, he has had ongoing lanrangel spasms (very frightening), unrelenting cough for both of us, we have had prednizone, antibiiotics, allergy medications, etc., inhalers, etc., a friend just mentioned to me this weekend that she was recently hospitalized for mycoplasms and treated with high dose antibiotics. How could this be diagnosed and what is the chance of trying CS for this? With so many sudden breathing problems, we decided to purchased and ion clean air machine which after a week of being closed up in the bedroom and becoming much worse finally read the fine print and found out you are NOT suppose to use these machines with asthma or any kind of repiratory problems, the machine actually produces ozone and in a close area this can pose serious health problems, in a room with the door closed in a very short period of time, the ozone level is sometimes 5 times higher than permissable levels. This is on the box but in the back of the manual. It does clean spores, bacteria, etc., with the ozone it produces. Everything I have read since this, says ozone exposure can cause many of the symptoms we are having and can cause pulmonary damage. Does CS also work for repairing damage already done? I do remember in earlier questions about asthma, someone mentioned several things to add to a breathing treatment when doing them at home, I think it included DSMO? I thought I saved the email, but cannot locate it. Thanks, joni Original Message Follows From: "nancymike" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:16:22 -0600 I truly believe MS is a mycoplasma, which is a man made virus. All MS patients who are using CS are doing well. This is because it is a virus. Nancy - Original Message - From: "Garnet" To: "Silver List" Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 22:33, nancymike wrote: > > MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. It > > has nothng to do with aspertame. > > > I believe you meant MS is NOT a virus? > > Aspartame could indeed contribute to the invasion of the joint, by > causing inflammatory conditions. > > Great article btw, thanks for posting this. > > Garnet > > > > http://www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm > > "Mycoplasmas, unlike viruses, can grow in tissue fluids (blood, joint, > heart, chest and spinal fluids) and can grow inside any living tissue > cell without killing the cells, as most normal bacteria and viruses will > do. Mycoplasmas are frequently found in the oral and genito-urinary > tracts of normal healthy people and are found to infect females four > times more often than males, which just happens to be the same incidence > rate in rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue and other > related disorders.(7) Mycoplasmas are parasitic in nature and can attach > to specific cells without killing the cells and thus their infection > process and progress can go undetected. In some people the attachment of > mycoplasmas to the host cell acts like a living thorn; a persistent > foreign substance, causing the host's immune defense mechanism to wage > war. This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, > swollen, and painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid > diseases, fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus > and MS, Crohn's and others. In such cases the immune system begins > attacking itself and/or seemingly healthy cells. Some species of > mycoplasmas also have the unique ability to completely evade the immune > system. Once they attach to a host cell in the body, their unique plasma > and protein coating can then mimic the cell wall of the host cell and > the immune system cannot differentiate the mycoplasma from the body's > own host cell." > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
If I had your challenges I would read http://www.watercure.com/ Then I would use CS water on the recommended daily schedule. Then I would find a BodyTalk practitioner who could determine which organs, endocrine system, or body parts are not utilising the water properly, and have them restart optimal functioning of water utilisation. Sound strange? Only if your mind is locked into conventional medical paradigms. If someone had not restarted my abdominal breathing that had been locked off for 44 years I suspect I would not be here today. Consider outside the box. Christine Carleton, C.B.P. Certified BodyTalk® Practitioner, International BodyTalk System Association http://www.bodytalksystem.com Distance healing works! ~ > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:18:13 -0500 > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com > Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:19:15 -0800 > > This is an old email, but I have a question concerning mycoplasms for > someone willing to answer. I have other chronic problems I have asked > questions about previously but most recently have had an unexplained > pulmonary problem which presents itself as asthma, but none of the > conventional treatments have worked. My husband and I have been ill since > before Thanksgiving, which started with what we thought was the flu, he has > had ongoing lanrangel spasms (very frightening), unrelenting cough for both > of us, we have had prednizone, antibiiotics, allergy medications, etc., > inhalers, etc., a friend just mentioned to me this weekend that she was > recently hospitalized for mycoplasms and treated with high dose antibiotics. > How could this be diagnosed and what is the chance of trying CS for this? > > With so many sudden breathing problems, we decided to purchased and ion > clean air machine which after a week of being closed up in the bedroom and > becoming much worse finally read the fine print and found out you are NOT > suppose to use these machines with asthma or any kind of repiratory > problems, the machine actually produces ozone and in a close area this can > pose serious health problems, in a room with the door closed in a very short > period of time, the ozone level is sometimes 5 times higher than permissable > levels. This is on the box but in the back of the manual. It does clean > spores, bacteria, etc., with the ozone it produces. Everything I have read > since this, says ozone exposure can cause many of the symptoms we are having > and can cause pulmonary damage. Does CS also work for repairing damage > already done? I do remember in earlier questions about asthma, someone > mentioned several things to add to a breathing treatment when doing them at > home, I think it included DSMO? I thought I saved the email, but cannot > locate it. > > Thanks, > joni > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
You can get an inexpensive nebulizer ($20) from Walgreens load it with cs and simply breath in the mist. You can do this all day long until you feel relief. Keep nebulizing past the point of relief to make sure you killed all the bugs. This should help to greatly reduce what you are struggling with. I also found an inexpensive ionizer that produces very little ozone and keeps the air smelling fresh in a small room. It is called the Neotec XJ-2000. You can get them for $50 or less on ebay.com I too find the smell of ozone irritating, but these ionizers don't bother me. Steve L -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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E-coli and staph are bacteria, NOT viruses. No offense to you, but if the doctor really called them viruses, she needs to get another doctor. sol William Amos wrote: Hi Garnet: I talked to the lady again today and she said there were 3 live viruses that appeared in the test. E-coli, staph and one other that she couldn't remember. The test mentioned 100,000 units ofeach. The Doctor mentioned that it was unusual for these types of live bacteria to show up in the urine test. Bill Amos -- Bacteria would not exit the body through the bladder. She must have a bladder infection. Since CS ends up in the urine within an hour or two of ingestion it should help. Cranberry juice and Vit C will acidify the urine and also assist. Lots of water to flush as well. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Re:Re: CS>Live Bacteria
E coli and staph are bacteria...not virus...but this probably just a typo, right? It is also unusual for a gram neg (Esherichia coli) and a gram pos (Staph) to show up in the same culture. Bacteria could show up in the urine without having a bladder infection. Ie: Severe glomerulonephritis where the glomeruli are damaged, pyelonephritis, etc. Glomerulonephritis is very serious Dr. Kenney Hi Garnet: I talked to the lady again today and she said there were 3 live viruses that appeared in the test. E-coli, staph and one other that she couldn't remember. The test mentioned 100,000 units ofeach. The Doctor mentioned that it was unusual for these types of live bacteria to show up in the urine test. Bill Amos -- Bacteria would not exit the body through the bladder. She must have a bladder infection. Since CS ends up in the urine within an hour or two of ingestion it should help. Cranberry juice and Vit C will acidify the urine and also assist. Lots of water to flush as well. Garnet On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:24, William Amos wrote: > Hello All: > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > The doctor was surprised at this. > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. > > Bill Amos > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Re:RE: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Hi Joni: When you describe your condition, it sounds like I'm speaking with the young lady in Ohio who is seeking help. She too has Lyme disease and other problems. There are no drug interactions with CS, and as was mentioned, the only side effect may be the herx reaction to the die off of the pathogens which the body is working harder to eliminate. I would suggest you start on the silver as soon as possible. Do you have it available? I would also suggest you make your own. You will get much support from those on the list. I keep my friend supplied with CS and she says it is helping. Bill -- Hi Bill, This infection has spread to my kidneys and is not responding to tradtional antibiotics, will the CS help with kidney as well as bladder infections? I am also suppose to start on an interferon drug next week for MS, I don't know where to find information in regard to drug interactions with CS, or if that is a problem. I am allergic to many antibiotics, are there any adverse reactions other than the hex reaction from bacteria decaying. I have Lyme's disease, can CS help kill this bacteria. Thanks so much, joni Original Message Follows From: "William Amos" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:09:18 Hi Joni: Thanks to Dr. Kenney, Garnet and others on the list that have taken their time to give their input on this problem, I believe that there is help. It is your decision to try the Colloidal Silver, and as you have read, it has helped many. I will keep the list informed on the young lady that I mentioned with the same problem. Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Joni Lovegrove
CS>Re:Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Utopia Silver in Texas is a reliable supplier. 1-888-213-4338 THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISMENT ! Bill Amos -- Oh, thanks. If you didn't want to make it where is a reliable supplier? Thanks. Adie >>> mdud...@king-cart.com 11/1/2004 10:03:26 AM >>> Electrolytically Isoloated Silver. It is produced by placing silver wires into distilled water and running a current through them. The composition is usually about 80 to 90% ionic silver, and 10 to 20% colloidal silver. It is the silver most of the people on this group take. Marshall Adrienne Elliott wrote: > Marshall, > I'm new on this forum, please clarify what is EIS. THanks. > > Adie > > >>> mdud...@king-cart.com 11/1/2004 9:34:14 AM >>> > I would be very surprised if a tablespoon of CS did much good. Maybe > better than > interfron, but I would not expect it to cure him. If he had taken > several ounces, as > much as 16 or so a day, I bet he would have been cured of it within a > week or so. I > have read that Hep. C responsds quite well to EIS. > > Marshall > > James Allison wrote: > > > A customer of mine gave me a call a few months ago, about her husband > who > > had been diagnosed with Hepatitis C about 13 months before she called > me. > > The doctor wanted to start him on interferon, but her husband decided > to try > > something else instead. His decision was to take a tablespoon of > colloidal > > silver orally (about 5ppm, made with the simple three 9-volt battery > method) > > every day for a year. He went back to the doctor to be retested > about a > > week before his wife called me with the results, and although they > show that > > he still has Hepatitis C, according to the doctor, they also show > that he is > > doing better than if he had been taking the interferon for the year. > While > > this doesn't deal specifically with MS, it does show that in some > cases, > > colloidal silver might be just as good, or even better than some of > the > > drugs out there. While I never recommend going against doctors > therapies > > (that is an individual choice that should be made after due > diligence), I do > > strongly suggest that one always supplement what the doctor orders > with > > colloidal silver. After all, as far as I know, it's not going to > hurt. > > > > Yours in health, > > -James Allison > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:41 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of > course, I > > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for > four days > > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, > only seem > > > to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > > > question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any > > > additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I > cannot > > > start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this > point...from what > > > I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is > there > > > any evidence that CS could help MS? > > > > > > thank, > > > joni > > > > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re:Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni)
Thanks Bill. Adie >>> wa...@mailstation.com 11/1/2004 6:29:59 PM >>> Utopia Silver in Texas is a reliable supplier. 1-888-213-4338 THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISMENT ! Bill Amos -- Oh, thanks. If you didn't want to make it where is a reliable supplier? Thanks. Adie >>> mdud...@king-cart.com 11/1/2004 10:03:26 AM >>> Electrolytically Isoloated Silver. It is produced by placing silver wires into distilled water and running a current through them. The composition is usually about 80 to 90% ionic silver, and 10 to 20% colloidal silver. It is the silver most of the people on this group take. Marshall Adrienne Elliott wrote: > Marshall, > I'm new on this forum, please clarify what is EIS. THanks. > > Adie > > >>> mdud...@king-cart.com 11/1/2004 9:34:14 AM >>> > I would be very surprised if a tablespoon of CS did much good. Maybe > better than > interfron, but I would not expect it to cure him. If he had taken > several ounces, as > much as 16 or so a day, I bet he would have been cured of it within a > week or so. I > have read that Hep. C responsds quite well to EIS. > > Marshall > > James Allison wrote: > > > A customer of mine gave me a call a few months ago, about her husband > who > > had been diagnosed with Hepatitis C about 13 months before she called > me. > > The doctor wanted to start him on interferon, but her husband decided > to try > > something else instead. His decision was to take a tablespoon of > colloidal > > silver orally (about 5ppm, made with the simple three 9-volt battery > method) > > every day for a year. He went back to the doctor to be retested > about a > > week before his wife called me with the results, and although they > show that > > he still has Hepatitis C, according to the doctor, they also show > that he is > > doing better than if he had been taking the interferon for the year. > While > > this doesn't deal specifically with MS, it does show that in some > cases, > > colloidal silver might be just as good, or even better than some of > the > > drugs out there. While I never recommend going against doctors > therapies > > (that is an individual choice that should be made after due > diligence), I do > > strongly suggest that one always supplement what the doctor orders > with > > colloidal silver. After all, as far as I know, it's not going to > hurt. > > > > Yours in health, > > -James Allison > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Joni Lovegrove" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:41 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Joni) > > > > > Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of > course, I > > > could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for > four days > > > and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, > only seem > > > to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more > > > question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any > > > additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I > cannot > > > start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this > point...from what > > > I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is > there > > > any evidence that CS could help MS? > > > > > > thank, > > > joni > > > > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re:Re: CS>Re:Re: CS>Live Bacteria
Sorry..my mistake. My original e-mail stated bacteria as I mentioned at the end of this post. Bill. -- E-coli and staph are bacteria, NOT viruses. No offense to you, but if the doctor really called them viruses, she needs to get another doctor. sol William Amos wrote: >Hi Garnet: >I talked to the lady again today and she said there were 3 live viruses that >appeared in the test. E-coli, staph and one other >that she couldn't remember. The test mentioned 100,000 units ofeach. The >Doctor mentioned that it was unusual for these types of live bacteria to show >up in the urine test. > >Bill Amos >-- >Bacteria would not exit the body through the bladder. She must have a bladder >infection. Since CS ends up in the urine within an hour or two of ingestion it >should help. Cranberry juice and Vit C will acidify the urine and also assist. >Lots of water to flush as well. > >Garnet > > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re:Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Dr. Kenney)
The three bacteria that showed up in the urine test are... E-coli, Staph and Enterococcus. Would this be a kidney problem? Bill Amos -- E coli and staph are bacteria...not virus...but this probably just a typo, right? It is also unusual for a gram neg (Esherichia coli) and a gram pos (Staph) to show up in the same culture. Bacteria could show up in the urine without having a bladder infection. Ie: Severe glomerulonephritis where the glomeruli are damaged, pyelonephritis, etc. Glomerulonephritis is very serious Dr. Kenney Hi Garnet: I talked to the lady again today and she said there were 3 live viruses that appeared in the test. E-coli, staph and one other that she couldn't remember. The test mentioned 100,000 units ofeach. The Doctor mentioned that it was unusual for these types of live bacteria to show up in the urine test. Bill Amos -- Bacteria would not exit the body through the bladder. She must have a bladder infection. Since CS ends up in the urine within an hour or two of ingestion it should help. Cranberry juice and Vit C will acidify the urine and also assist. Lots of water to flush as well. Garnet On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:24, William Amos wrote: > Hello All: > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. > The doctor was surprised at this. > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. > > Bill Amos > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
