Re: CSAsthma and CS, again.
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Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
A wick type swamp vaporizer will not work. It functions by evaporation similar to a steam maker. If there is a little rotor that throws water into the air..it'll work. Most ionic CS will 'probably' make it through the filter on an ultrasonic, but it's really easy to remove and not needed when using distilled water. Why chance removing goodies if you don't have to? My filter got all clogged up when using well water. I took it apart to clean it and found a bunch of little plastic balls. Possibly an ion exchange resin coating on them? EIS might not make it through something like that. An activated carbon filter will likely remove a lot of the silver. They do remove about 80% of the dissolved solids from my well water dropping the conductivity of it considerably. I now use filtered rain water off the tin roof spiked with CS to sterilize it...and no filter [I broke the filter] When you heat with wood, you need a good humidifier...and it rains a lot in winter around here. I've tried many and the Relion Ultrasonic is, by far, the best one yet. Ode At 11:24 AM 8/9/2005 EDT, you wrote: I bought a cool-mist vaporizer at Big Lots for $7.99, intending to use it to breathe CS mist. I figured that as long as the unit did not heat the CS, making steam and separating the H2O from the Ag, that this would work. Is that correct? Why remove filter, if using ionic silver? Is it because the silver might react with it, and not get into the air? If any cool mist vaporizer will work, then these can be purchased at any drug store for under $20. Jill No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5 - Release Date: 8/9/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5 - Release Date: 8/9/2005
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
Walmart has an ultrasonic humidifier that will do the nebulizing job for $34. Relion brand. [Make sure it says ultrasonic] Reloin has different types too. Remove filter, dump in home made very cheap CS and sit over the outlet and breath deep. It's also the best humidifier I ever saw or used. Ode Sophia was doing relatively well until this past month. I'm not sure why she is getting so many more attacks this past month or so. Maybe in the middle of the month I'll have some money to get a nebulizer. -Ken Hi Ken, My sister has a Pug who was overdosed on steroids (not the vet's fault), and has ruined his immune system. He now has aspergillis in his lungs and after 5 shots of an antibiotic of the last resort, was no better. I offered to let her use my Multi Tech XJ-3000C, air purification system (ionizer, ozone, hepa filter, UV light, activated carbon). One night and he was MUCH better according to my sister. We will see. Jean ** There are alot of lawsuits out there pending regarding various ozone air purification devices, and I've reviewed reports from devestated parents who have used such devices, whose children have apparently experienced permanent lung damage from the use of such machines. While I cannot vouch for the authenticity of these claims, I doubt that the parents are simply money-grubbing people, or FDA plants. That scares me. I think I'm going to stop using my ionizers. My little girl has for the past 36 hours of so been coughing and wheezing and short of breath, and the albuterol we are currently giving her (temporarily until I get a nebulizer and some CS) is barely working. I beginning to wonder if the ionizers are at fault. But I really don't know. I'm going to turn them off, and I'm going to tell my wife to take Sophia to the beach for the day. Maybe that will help clear her up. -Ken __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.4/66 - Release Date: 8/9/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.4 - Release Date: 8/9/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.4 - Release Date: 8/9/2005
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
I bought a cool-mist vaporizer at Big Lots for $7.99, intending to use it to breathe CS mist. I figured that as long as the unit did not heat the CS, making steam and separating the H2O from the Ag, that this would work. Is that correct? Why remove filter, if using ionic silver? Is it because the silver might react with it, and not get into the air? If any cool mist vaporizer will work, then these can be purchased at any drug store for under $20. Jill
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
You think N-A-C (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) would be useful? NAC would be useful as a glutathione precursor, but there are a couple of strong reasons that it's used in emergency situations and not as a daily supplement. First, although NAC does increase cysteine delivery to the cells it's treated as a toxin by the body. Complexing toxic cysteine with acetic acid as a carrier does not render it non-toxic. That's why at decent doses, in adults 500 mg per dose, it does produce some toxic effects and doctors who promote antioxidant use decided the trade-off wasn't worth using it as a daily supplement. Second, it has a very short half-life in the system, so dosing is frequent, on the order of every four hours, in order to avoid plummeting glutathione levels in between doses. This can be a disaster in an acute situation and also in an infection situation, as low glutathione actually stimulates infection. I heard that is a cystine containing compound, and at one time, it was purported to be helpful to those with emphysema, but then that was retracted because they couldn't agree on whether it really reduced mucous or not. Glutathione delivered as a mist is OK for lungs, but because antioxidant depletion is a systemic condition I mentioned precursors first that would address it as such. The cold-processed whey and selenium is also the least expensive route, even if you also add the other antioxidants. I guess I can look into the selenium and vitamins. She already takes a daily multivitamin, with fair amounts of common vitamins and minerals. It's not flintstones vitamins or some garbage like that, and it has no artificial anything in it. But I don't remember if it has selenium. I've used Omega 6 Borage oil before for gum inflammation and I know that stuff works for inflammation. Do you think that would be useful? Personally, I don't recommend omega-6 oils for anything as they generally promote inflammation and supplementation is usually superfluous anyway. It's omega-3 oils that are usually in short supply in the diet. Part of the problem to is that it is hard to get her to take some medicines consistently. She can't figure out how to swallow capsules yet, and thay would be so helpful if she would, because so many of the herbs, vitamins, etc, are just plain nasty tasting, and often are not concealable. Cold-processed whey makes a nice drink a lot like a milkshake. Duncan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
I bought a cool-mist vaporizer at Big Lots for $7.99, intending to use it to breathe CS mist. I figured that as long as the unit did not heat the CS, making steam and separating the H2O from the Ag, that this would work. Is that correct? Why remove filter, if using ionic silver? Is it because the silver might react with it, and not get into the air? If any cool mist vaporizer will work, then these can be purchased at any drug store for under $20. Jill This was the eaxct method we used several times to get rid of a nasty 100 day flu that came through the region two years in a row. They drank colloidal silver and breathed it directly from the cool mist unit. We all used primarily ionic CS made with the silver maker that uses a microwave oven circuit. Long story short - no failures, and it cured the flu in less than two days each time. Duncan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAsthma and CS, again.
Try this site consider getting the water cure book http://watercure.com He uses water salt to cure Asthma one of the things he suggest asthmatics stay away from is orange juice ! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
italic[How is that different from the stainless steel plates in other ionizers? I never detected any heat in one of those either. How does an Aranizer compare to any other good air ionizer in both ozone and NOx levels? An Aranizer is an ozone generator, right? ...Not an air ionizer. There is no comparison except that they both use voltage. Arinizer specs. Heck, 'everyones' specs are hard to find! Residual effect-oxidized mucus memebrane proteins you didn't need and cough up/ expel? Oxidized into what? Doesn't matter if it gets expelled, right?] Actually, the antioxidant levels in the lungs, particularly glutathione, are there to stop the mucous membranes from oxidising. The lungs are the third biggest users of glutathione after the liver and the kidneys. Peer-reviewed data on glutathione is here: http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/GSH_medline.html italicO5 a pentatomic allotropic molecule of oxygen. The story about O5 being somehow better than O3 doesn't reflect the reality that only the last oxygen molecule in the chain oxidizes anything. In the case of O5, the balance, being O4, is two O2 molecules, just oxygen. Just how rare and special is that..beyond all the sales hype? Do other ionizers make them? Just hype, and if ozone generators make them it doesn't matter. Duncan (an ozone therapist) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
There are alot of lawsuits out there pending regarding various ozone air purification devices, and I've reviewed reports from devestated parents who have used such devices, whose children have apparently experienced permanent lung damage from the use of such machines. While I cannot vouch for the authenticity of these claims, I doubt that the parents are simply money-grubbing people, or FDA plants. That scares me. I think I'm going to stop using my ionizers. My little girl has for the past 36 hours of so been coughing and wheezing and short of breath, and the albuterol we are currently giving her (temporarily until I get a nebulizer and some CS) is barely working. I beginning to wonder if the ionizers are at fault. But I really don't know. I'm going to turn them off, and I'm going to tell my wife to take Sophia to the beach for the day. Maybe that will help clear her up. -Ken Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
Hi Ken, My sister has a Pug who was overdosed on steroids (not the vet's fault), and has ruined his immune system. He now has aspergillis in his lungs and after 5 shots of an antibiotic of the last resort, was no better. I offered to let her use my Multi Tech XJ-3000C, air purification system (ionizer, ozone, hepa filter, UV light, activated carbon). One night and he was MUCH better according to my sister. We will see. Jean ** There are alot of lawsuits out there pending regarding various ozone air purification devices, and I've reviewed reports from devestated parents who have used such devices, whose children have apparently experienced permanent lung damage from the use of such machines. While I cannot vouch for the authenticity of these claims, I doubt that the parents are simply money-grubbing people, or FDA plants. That scares me. I think I'm going to stop using my ionizers. My little girl has for the past 36 hours of so been coughing and wheezing and short of breath, and the albuterol we are currently giving her (temporarily until I get a nebulizer and some CS) is barely working. I beginning to wonder if the ionizers are at fault. But I really don't know. I'm going to turn them off, and I'm going to tell my wife to take Sophia to the beach for the day. Maybe that will help clear her up. -Ken -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
Hi Jean, I hear you, and I know there are people who have apparently been really helped by devices like these. But I honestly do not know what the cause is for my little girl's asthma problem at this time. For the past few months she has taken albuterol only infrequently, but in the past couple months, maybe once a week. For some reason, the past day and a half, something is making it to where we are having to give it to her every four hours because she is short of breath, wheezing and mucousy. I do not yet know much about steroids or how badly they can affect the immune system or not. The choice I'm faced with right now is whether I want her to be able to breathe or whether she might get some immune system damage in the future. My hope is that some combination of nebulizer and CS will help her, but I do not yet have money for nebulizer or CS or MSM. I spent around $130 or so for 3 of these air ionizers because I thought it might help my little girl's coughing problem several months back. She had constant mucous from post nasal drip and we never did figure out what was causing that. I just bought these air purifiers in hopes that it might help, and it apparently did. She stopped coughing all the time. But now she seems to have asthma. Is that from something else in the air, or the ozone generation? I really do not know! I keep throwing money at her health problems, but I do not know the source of them. And everytime a possible health-positive cure is mentioned, it's costing me $50 here, $100 there, $200 over there, but in the end, it still is very hard to figure out because she's only 2 and 1/2 and cannot tell me really what is wrong. So I have to guessimate. All her pediatrician wanted to do is put her on albuterol. I'm not going to put her on albuterol, but I can't afford another kind of practitioner right now, since I'm barely making it from check to check. Hopefully that will change soon, but not right now. Sophia was doing relatively well until this past month. I'm not sure why she is getting so many more attacks this past month or so. Maybe in the middle of the month I'll have some money to get a nebulizer. -Ken Hi Ken, My sister has a Pug who was overdosed on steroids (not the vet's fault), and has ruined his immune system. He now has aspergillis in his lungs and after 5 shots of an antibiotic of the last resort, was no better. I offered to let her use my Multi Tech XJ-3000C, air purification system (ionizer, ozone, hepa filter, UV light, activated carbon). One night and he was MUCH better according to my sister. We will see. Jean ** There are alot of lawsuits out there pending regarding various ozone air purification devices, and I've reviewed reports from devestated parents who have used such devices, whose children have apparently experienced permanent lung damage from the use of such machines. While I cannot vouch for the authenticity of these claims, I doubt that the parents are simply money-grubbing people, or FDA plants. That scares me. I think I'm going to stop using my ionizers. My little girl has for the past 36 hours of so been coughing and wheezing and short of breath, and the albuterol we are currently giving her (temporarily until I get a nebulizer and some CS) is barely working. I beginning to wonder if the ionizers are at fault. But I really don't know. I'm going to turn them off, and I'm going to tell my wife to take Sophia to the beach for the day. Maybe that will help clear her up. -Ken __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSasthma and CS, again
I got my DMSO from Jeffers equine. I believe it was about $27 US for a gallon. Regards Kent -Original Message- From: Ken Nancy Bagwell [mailto:kenancy2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSasthma and CS, again Thanks everyone for the ideas. I'm especially interest in the salt lamps, too. I'm using 3 ionizers in the house now, but I turned them all off because Garnet said the ozone was dangerous. Later this month, I will try to get a nebulizer and some CS/dmso. However, I still have yet to hear from anyone re my question about DMSO or MSM source. Is there a best cheap source to get them from together? Does the MSM have to be pharmaceutical grade or something, since it's going to very sensitive lungs of my little 2 and 1/2 year old Sophia? -Ken Bagwell __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
Ken, If you go to http://www.emofree.com/ you can download a manual for FREE and this meridian tapping technique might help your daughter and your whole family. Best, Nenah - Original Message - From: Ken Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:53 PM Subject: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS Hi Jean, I hear you, and I know there are people who have apparently been really helped by devices like these. But I honestly do not know what the cause is for my little girl's asthma problem at this time. For the past few months she has taken albuterol only infrequently, but in the past couple months, maybe once a week. For some reason, the past day and a half, something is making it to where we are having to give it to her every four hours because she is short of breath, wheezing and mucousy. I do not yet know much about steroids or how badly they can affect the immune system or not. The choice I'm faced with right now is whether I want her to be able to breathe or whether she might get some immune system damage in the future. My hope is that some combination of nebulizer and CS will help her, but I do not yet have money for nebulizer or CS or MSM. I spent around $130 or so for 3 of these air ionizers because I thought it might help my little girl's coughing problem several months back. She had constant mucous from post nasal drip and we never did figure out what was causing that. I just bought these air purifiers in hopes that it might help, and it apparently did. She stopped coughing all the time. But now she seems to have asthma. Is that from something else in the air, or the ozone generation? I really do not know! I keep throwing money at her health problems, but I do not know the source of them. And everytime a possible health-positive cure is mentioned, it's costing me $50 here, $100 there, $200 over there, but in the end, it still is very hard to figure out because she's only 2 and 1/2 and cannot tell me really what is wrong. So I have to guessimate. All her pediatrician wanted to do is put her on albuterol. I'm not going to put her on albuterol, but I can't afford another kind of practitioner right now, since I'm barely making it from check to check. Hopefully that will change soon, but not right now. Sophia was doing relatively well until this past month. I'm not sure why she is getting so many more attacks this past month or so. Maybe in the middle of the month I'll have some money to get a nebulizer. -Ken -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
My little girl has for the past 36 hours of so been coughing and wheezing and short of breath, and the albuterol we are currently giving her (temporarily until I get a nebulizer and some CS) is barely working. I beginning to wonder if the ionizers are at fault. -Ken Ken, before you blame the ionizer, which has not been linked to problems, take look at a probable antioxidant deficiency. The lungs are the third biggest users of the antioxidant enzyme glutathione after the liver and kidneys. The rate-limiting factor in glutathione production is cysteine, actually as cysteine-containing amino acid peptides, not as a free- form amino acid. The peptides happen to be in short supply in the diet, as is drinking water selenium in most areas. Selenium is used to make one form of glutathione, and it is low or absent in many areas and it's also depleted by arsenic in drinking water, a combination that can easily exacerbate a depleted antioxidant pool. The proof is in the pudding though, and I've seen people who were on oxygen for COPD for example not require it anymore. They reduced the irritating toxins, thus the mucous problem and inflammation, with cold-processed whey, selenium, and the antioxidant vitamins C, E, A, and a b-complex. Further gains could probably have been made with other antioxidants and cod-liver oil, an antiinflammatory. The other thing to look up is insufficient nitric oxide production in the lungs. It is important for microcapilliary circulation and when there's enough you get less swelling. There's probably enough arginine in the cold-processed whey but some people get good results with Noni. Although I no longer sell Noni products I think a lot of Noni and Nitric Oxide science is still on my web site. Duncan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Duncan, You think N-A-C (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) would be useful? I heard that is a cystine containing compound, and at one time, it was purported to be helpful to those with emphysema, but then that was retracted because they couldn't agree on whether it really reduced mucous or not. I guess I can look into the selenium and vitamins. She already takes a daily multivitamin, with fair amounts of common vitamins and minerals. It's not flintstones vitamins or some garbage like that, and it has no artificial anything in it. But I don't remember if it has selenium. I've used Omega 6 Borage oil before for gum inflammation and I know that stuff works for inflammation. Do you think that would be useful? Part of the problem to is that it is hard to get her to take some medicines consistently. She can't figure out how to swallow capsules yet, and thay would be so helpful if she would, because so many of the herbs, vitamins, etc, are just plain nasty tasting, and often are not concealable. -Ken * From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this author) * Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:48:39 My little girl has for the past 36 hours of so been coughing and wheezing and short of breath, and the albuterol we are currently giving her (temporarily until I get a nebulizer and some CS) is barely working. I beginning to wonder if the ionizers are at fault. -Ken Ken, before you blame the ionizer, which has not been linked to problems, take look at a probable antioxidant deficiency. The lungs are the third biggest users of the antioxidant enzyme glutathione after the liver and kidneys. The rate-limiting factor in glutathione production is cysteine, actually as cysteine-containing amino acid peptides, not as a free- form amino acid. The peptides happen to be in short supply in the diet, as is drinking water selenium in most areas. Selenium is used to make one form of glutathione, and it is low or absent in many areas and it's also depleted by arsenic in drinking water, a combination that can easily exacerbate a depleted antioxidant pool. The proof is in the pudding though, and I've seen people who were on oxygen for COPD for example not require it anymore. They reduced the irritating toxins, thus the mucous problem and inflammation, with cold-processed whey, selenium, and the antioxidant vitamins C, E, A, and a b-complex. Further gains could probably have been made with other antioxidants and cod-liver oil, an antiinflammatory. The other thing to look up is insufficient nitric oxide production in the lungs. It is important for microcapilliary circulation and when there's enough you get less swelling. There's probably enough arginine in the cold-processed whey but some people get good results with Noni. Although I no longer sell Noni products I think a lot of Noni and Nitric Oxide science is still on my web site. Duncan -- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again
I use veterinary grade DMSO as well, purchased locally, but it may very well be the exact same product that Jeffers sells. They also have a very good price on MSM. I purchase my MSM from www.msm-msm.com though, because so far it is the only place I have found the Opti-MSM which is an entirely U.S. made and sourced product. Lignisul MSM is made in the U.S. from ingredients from China. Lignisul is commonly found in most combination msm products available over the counter. In any case for use in a nebulizer you want the pure MSM crystals, that sold in capsules has fillers. For my pet rabbit I use a recipe of 1 ounce pure EIS (my homemade, usually about 15 ppm), 1/2 teaspoon of pure MSM, and 5 drops DMSO. For us adult humans I could probably use more DMSO, but this mix works well even for us, and it is safe for my rabbit. I have used it as nose drops and as ear drops, too. For eye drops, I use one ounce of my EIS, with one dropperful of DMSO. MSM makes my eyes sting so I don't use it in eye drops. Did you look for a nebulizer at ebay? Several people have said they got good ones there. I have an omron comp-air elite which I paid $65 for. Could have gotten it cheaper online, but I needed it ASAP. sol kent wrote: I got my DMSO from Jeffers equine. I believe it was about $27 US for a gallon. Regards Kent -Original Message- From: Ken Nancy Bagwell [mailto:kenancy2...@yahoo.com] Later this month, I will try to get a nebulizer and some CS/dmso. However, I still have yet to hear from anyone re my question about DMSO or MSM source. Is there a best cheap source to get them from together? Does the MSM have to be pharmaceutical grade or something, since it's going to very sensitive lungs of my little 2 and 1/2 year old Sophia? -Ken Bagwell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:_i0P3n_gYgMJ:www.hcl-intl.cc/products/bulletins/17227.pdf+Aranizer+ozone+levelhl=en Ozone is destroyed when it contacts mucus membranes. [OK, so maybe ozone doesn't harm lung 'tissue' because it never reaches it. But it is destroyed by oxidizing the membrane. Ozone 'burns' organic molecules..which of course, incudes bacterium. Mucus membrane is pretty much expendable and expellabe ..cough..and high enough destruction rates will probably make the body produce more mucus. I can see why that could be considered an 'irritant' should there be a high concentration of ozone. I can see how the right amount could clear and sterilize the lungs and how too much could conjest them again. Meanwhile, bacterium etc in the mucus suffers the same fate as the mucus...could be very a good therapeutic thing if controlled properly.] [Oxides of nitrogen.] These are usually generated when Ozone is made. [with electric sparking, plasma etc. Apparently there is a difference between hot and cold plasma?] The NOx combines with water vapor (could be moisture in the nose, eyes and lungs) and creates dilute forms of Nitric and Nitrous acids which are damaging to human tissue. [OK cool, I'll buy that. Seeing that brush arcing in electrical motors produce NOXs and ozone and the air around here is always very humid..I would expect to see a lot of nitric acid produced. If one has ever put steel in nitric acid, one would know how violently it reacts..one very quick way to shorten a shotgun barrel or get into a steel safe. My drills don't corrode inside, but the chords do fall apart. I assume it's the Ozone that eats them alive. Rubber is pretty well resistant to nitric acid. Rubber gloves..and a gas mask.. should be worn when making that 'sawed off'] It is the NOx that causes the problems with Ozone. ARANIZER units never produce NOx because they employ the use of cold dense plasma generators that have no electrical sparking. The more powerful natural mica dielectrics standard in these units generates high voltages without electrical sparking. The plasma is warm (below 104 F) so maximum output of ARAN is achieved. Again, the only residual effect after oxidation with this ARAN is the oxidized substance and oxygen. [How is that different from the stainless steel plates in other ionizers? I never detected any heat in one of those either. If my Trion whole house filter does spark , it stops working altogether and I have to straighten the plates so it quits sparking...after cleaning it with a 15,000 psi pressure washer..don't do that. Mica IS a very interesting substance..very heat resistant for one, used on furnace windows and has electronic properties similar to quarts in many ways, used in the old vaccuum tubes and electron guns? How does an Aranizer compare to any other good air ionizer in both ozone and NOx levels? ..looking for some hard to find..for some reason.. Arinizer specs. Heck, 'everyones' specs are hard to find! Residual effect-oxidized mucus memebrane proteins you didn't need and cough up/ expel? Oxidized into what? Doesn't matter if it gets expelled, right?] O5 a pentatomic allotropic molecule of oxygen. Just how rare and special is that..beyond all the sales hype? Do other ionizers make them? I would appear that sales hype, regardless of brand, outnumbers real info 1000 to 1. Based on Tesla technology? Phuut. You could say that about everything that's high voltage, has anything to do with AC current and is man made. If you plug it into the wall, it's Tesla. PS I do like my whole house Trion and I don't worry about ozone OR acid in the air. It's not like it's all not there anyhow in this industrialized consumer world...not to mention volcanoes and lightening storms. What, me, a welder, worry? Nah, strike that arc! I rather expect my lungs to last as long as I do, ey? Besides..I'd rather NOT get too old... If 50 feels like this compared to 30 [Not bad but way different], I don't even want to imagine what 90 feels like. Great shape for an 80 yr old...well, my stoic ole Pop can still move around and gets a lot done, but he makes some faces while he's at it. [I'm just 'beginning' to understand what they mean] Ode No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1 - Release Date: 8/4/2005
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Musical drills -- an innovation of symphonic proportions! The Chicago Industrial Orchestra will be interested! On Sunday, Aug 7, 2005, at 08:38 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote: My drills don't corrode inside, but the chords do fall apart. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ozone will break down virtually any organic molecule and living cell. [Makes a really good water sterilizer] If the concentration isn't too high and cells can replicate faster than they are destroyed, if ozone kills off weak cells faster and at lower concentrations than strong cells, perhaps then ozone can be beneficial like scrubbing the heck out of your skin can improve it. [but too much scrubbing removes it.] Using a torch on hair gets rid of split ends..but can get rid of hair too. [In a flash!] The Gov't set a 'concentration' standard and it's probably on the high side to direct attention away from harmful man made environmental ozone levels. These standards are based on exposure 'duration' as well as concentration. How much for how long is 'key'. If anything, they'd want to play down harmfulness...or they'd wind up having to do something expensive and very unpopular about it. Gov't rule #1 Cover your ass. #2 Blame something else first #3 Don't interfere with industry or peoples desire to drive cars as much as that's possible without violating rule #1 It is a really good idea to be very careful with something that will rot the tires right off your car. I've replaced many a rubber drill cord that ozone [made by the drill motor] ate off. ..not saying don't do it, just don't over do it. Some air ionizers put off a lot of ozone that can build up in todays sealed houses. Others make less. Check the specs. [Required on the package by law for some reason] I've heard that a waterfall makes negative ions? Ode At 07:15 AM 8/5/2005 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Ken Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:18 AM Subject: CSasthma and CS, again Thanks everyone for the ideas. I'm especially interest in the salt lamps, too. I'm using 3 ionizers in the house now, but I turned them all off because Garnet said the ozone was dangerous. === Sigh. This is what happens when rumors persist and incorrect info is circulated as fact. Say it enough, and say it forcefully enough, and people believe it. Even if it's not true. First, negative ions and ozone are not necessary the same thing. You can have an ion generator that does not produce ozone. Salt lamps are supposed to produce negative ions, the same substances that are being produced by your electrically powered ionizers (if indeed they *are* ionizers). Negative ions are beneficial. So is ozone. I'm sick of repeating myself, so you can look it up in the silver list archives or do a search on Google. The government websites hate ozone and won't tell you the truth. I have an entire section on ozone in my book on sauna therapy, if anyone wants solid documented information -- including the history of ozone use and how the myths about ozone came to be so widely quoted. There's information on ions in the book, too. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD http://www.nenahsylver.com * The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing * The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy * products and services for wellness -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1 - Release Date: 8/4/2005
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
- Original Message - From: Connie Howard craehow...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 11:46 PM Subject: Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS Sharon... Do you think that your Ozone machine would work in my basement? My house is 100 years old and has gone through a lot of moisture being dumped under the house; that couple with Racoons, cats, skunks, etc the smell coming from the basement is not very good. My house is 850 sq ft with a partial basement below half of it. The other part is crawal space. If it would would I need a certain model to handle that space? thanks connie Connie, I'm not Sharon, but would like to share my own experience with using an Aranizer in a similar situation. For six years until recently, I lived in a house with a crawl space that was very damp -- so damp, in fact, that black mold was growing in the house! Leaving an Aranizer running in the crawl space 24/7 was very helpful. It was also a blessing to have one running INSIDE the house. We finally got the landlords to put a drainpipe in the gutter so the water ran off the roof to the ground away from the house when it rained, instead of pouring directly under the house in the crawl space. For you, running a dehumidifier in the finished portion of the basement could be really helpful. So would running the Aranizers. If there's no mold in your house, all this can help prevent it from growing. If there's already mold growing in the walls, you will probably have to run tubes from the Aranizers into the walls where the mold is growing -- because even though the ozone is in the air in the room, it generally cannot reach the inside of the wall or go through the wall to get to the mold. (How I wish what Garnet had written, that ozone goes into sheetrock and stays there, were true! Then we wouldn't need to run tubes into the walls.) By the way, a friend of mine owns a plastics factory and every time I'd visit him there, if the door from the inner lobby to the plastics molding portion of the factory we open, I'd have to run to his office holding my breath to avoid the fumes. He was just beginning the construction of prototypes of his wonderful far infrared sauna cabinet, so I was visiting him a lot because I was working on my sauna book; I really needed to be there. I worked on him for four years to install an air purification system in that factory. He finally did. He bought a humungous industrial size Aranizer. Even though the workers were not health-oriented at all, a few days after it was installed they all commented on how nice the air smelled! And one woman, who had chronic sinus problems, felt them abate considerably. So these Aranizers really work. I have dealer privileges, but use them only for myself and for people who are really ready to buy, because it's too much work to convince people that (1) ozone is safe, and (2) the Aranizers really work and are worth the price. They are more expensive than other brands, but you can leave them running 24/7 and there are no parts to wear out (it's based on Tesla technology). Best, Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thanks... I'lll try your idea. connie On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:08:48 -0400 starshar stars...@comcast.net writes: From: Connie Howard craehow...@juno.com Sharon... Do you think that your Ozone machine would work in my basement? My house is 100 years old and has gone through a lot of moisture being dumped under the house; that couple with Racoons, cats, skunks, etc the smell coming from the basement is not very good. My house is 850 sq ft with a partial basement below half of it. The other part is crawal space. If it would would I need a certain model to handle that space? Connie, It sounds like you have a real challenge. I have to say that I honestly have no idea if the Aranizer would work in your situation, unfortunately. May I suggest that you put Aranizer into google, and see if there is a phone number on their website. They sell several different models for different size areas, for example. My best guess is that it would make a difference, but you don't want to buy this expensive machine based on this layman's guesswork! I wish you success in dealing with your basement Sharon -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Nenah, good morning! Thanks for sharing your story it helps knowing that these machines have worked in similir conditions I'm trying to decide which machine I will need I was hoping to put one in the basement and be able to reap the benefits in the basement and also address some condition upstairs in the living area. Not sure if that is an option at the point. connie On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:29:33 -0400 Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net writes: - Original Message - From: Connie Howard craehow...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 11:46 PM Subject: Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS Sharon... Do you think that your Ozone machine would work in my basement? My house is 100 years old and has gone through a lot of moisture being dumped under the house; that couple with Racoons, cats, skunks, etc the smell coming from the basement is not very good. My house is 850 sq ft with a partial basement below half of it. The other part is crawal space. If it would would I need a certain model to handle that space? thanks connie Connie, I'm not Sharon, but would like to share my own experience with using an Aranizer in a similar situation. For six years until recently, I lived in a house with a crawl space that was very damp -- so damp, in fact, that black mold was growing in the house! Leaving an Aranizer running in the crawl space 24/7 was very helpful. It was also a blessing to have one running INSIDE the house. We finally got the landlords to put a drainpipe in the gutter so the water ran off the roof to the ground away from the house when it rained, instead of pouring directly under the house in the crawl space. For you, running a dehumidifier in the finished portion of the basement could be really helpful. So would running the Aranizers. If there's no mold in your house, all this can help prevent it from growing. If there's already mold growing in the walls, you will probably have to run tubes from the Aranizers into the walls where the mold is growing -- because even though the ozone is in the air in the room, it generally cannot reach the inside of the wall or go through the wall to get to the mold. (How I wish what Garnet had written, that ozone goes into sheetrock and stays there, were true! Then we wouldn't need to run tubes into the walls.) By the way, a friend of mine owns a plastics factory and every time I'd visit him there, if the door from the inner lobby to the plastics molding portion of the factory we open, I'd have to run to his office holding my breath to avoid the fumes. He was just beginning the construction of prototypes of his wonderful far infrared sauna cabinet, so I was visiting him a lot because I was working on my sauna book; I really needed to be there. I worked on him for four years to install an air purification system in that factory. He finally did. He bought a humungous industrial size Aranizer. Even though the workers were not health-oriented at all, a few days after it was installed they all commented on how nice the air smelled! And one woman, who had chronic sinus problems, felt them abate considerably. So these Aranizers really work. I have dealer privileges, but use them only for myself and for people who are really ready to buy, because it's too much work to convince people that (1) ozone is safe, and (2) the Aranizers really work and are worth the price. They are more expensive than other brands, but you can leave them running 24/7 and there are no parts to wear out (it's based on Tesla technology). Best, Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi all: To help throw some balance on the issue, I'd like to make a few comments, and provide a few links. There are those who experience permanent lung damage from ambient ozone. I believe that a sensitivity to pure, low concentration ozone is likely pretty rare, but it does exist. I certainly don't want to argue with happy customers of Aranizer products. Alot of people are happy with their ambient ozone-generating air purifiers. However, I don't believe in using devices such as these for home air purification, and here's why: If you take a standard plastic, and expose it to ozone, at first, the plastic is going to resist oxidation. Slowly, over a period of weeks and months, the plastic begins to degrade. On one hand, these ozone people herald the benefits of breathing ozonated oils, and then on the other, they state that ozone renders all contaminants inert, deactivating by both oxidation and via ionization. Well, which is it? *smiles* It takes just about two weeks of 5% ozone constantly bubbled through oil to completely oxidate it. While the ozone is reacting with the oil, literally burning it, it outgasses. The gas, comprised of a total of three primary peroxides, is breathed into the lungs. The final compound, when the oil has been completely burned, is C10H13O3. Contrary to popular opinion, there is no ozone in this compound. There is no O3 bond, even though there are three molecules of oxygen. However, in ozonated OIL, O3 becomes trapped IN the oil. Now, these peroxides that people breath contained stabilized oxygen, but no ozone. In fact, Nikola Tesla demonstrated great benefits to OZOL; however, he also only made his oil, or Glycozone, while subjecting his process to a magnetic field. So, in this case, when one is using ozone to ozonate oils, the ozone doesn't degrade the substance right away, nor does the activated oxygen act via ionization to render the substance inert. It puts a gas in the air. In this case, the gas is quite beneficial. No such luck with plastics. As plastics degrade, the gas put into the air smells like some kind of petrochemical; it is NOT pleasant. You'd only know this if you had access to a high capacity ozone general and did experiments; pumping ozone through plastic over a period of time, and studying the effects. Therefore, one really does not want any significant amount of ozone pumping through the air on an ongoing basis in an environment that is not clean, where people are going to be present, without significant air flow present to rapidly disperse the ozone. http://www.cal-iaq.org/o3_fact.htm There are alot of lawsuits out there pending regarding various ozone air purification devices, and I've reviewed reports from devestated parents who have used such devices, whose children have apparently experienced permanent lung damage from the use of such machines. While I cannot vouch for the authenticity of these claims, I doubt that the parents are simply money-grubbing people, or FDA plants. I'm also very dissapointed in the so-called air purification companies. Ozone can be safely and effectively employed, yet I cannot find a device that absolutely does so. For those who like to build their own devices and play with technology: One would start with a thick carbon filter at the intake. The carbon acts as an ozone destructor, so that you don't start to damage your unit by sucking ozone right back into the unit. There are VERY few substances on planet Earth that are ozone resistant. Two of the most predominant substances are teflon and silicon. The second inline filter should be a high quality particulate filter, such as a good HEPA filter. After the HEPA filter, the air should be pumped into an ozone resistant chamber, where the ozone generator should be active. Cold spark, UV, or plasma generators could be used.The longer the chamber space, the better. The ozone, having actually cleaned the air, is no longer needed. Run the ozonated air through a final carbon filter. This will produce clean air Which is different than those who actually desire to UTILIZE ambient ozone for health purposes, which should be done only as a personal choice with proper understanding and personal experimentation... How badly CAN ozone contaminate an environment? This is not really known, and is environment-specific. However, consider: I took a standard plastic hose, and subjected it to 7% ozone for a long period of time. When the hose began to degrade, I set it aside for a few weeks. Then, I took a gallon of distilled water, and measured its purity. This was distilled water that I made, measuring 0.3 on a Hanna PWT meter. I took the hose, and attached it to an ozone generator, and pumped ozone into the water for 20 seconds. The purity reading went from 0.3 to about 180.0 in 20 seconds. For those who may not know, pure ozone will not effect the purity of water
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
- Original Message - From: Ken Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:18 AM Subject: CSasthma and CS, again Thanks everyone for the ideas. I'm especially interest in the salt lamps, too. I'm using 3 ionizers in the house now, but I turned them all off because Garnet said the ozone was dangerous. === Sigh. This is what happens when rumors persist and incorrect info is circulated as fact. Say it enough, and say it forcefully enough, and people believe it. Even if it's not true. First, negative ions and ozone are not necessary the same thing. You can have an ion generator that does not produce ozone. Salt lamps are supposed to produce negative ions, the same substances that are being produced by your electrically powered ionizers (if indeed they *are* ionizers). Negative ions are beneficial. So is ozone. I'm sick of repeating myself, so you can look it up in the silver list archives or do a search on Google. The government websites hate ozone and won't tell you the truth. I have an entire section on ozone in my book on sauna therapy, if anyone wants solid documented information -- including the history of ozone use and how the myths about ozone came to be so widely quoted. There's information on ions in the book, too. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD http://www.nenahsylver.com * The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing * The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy * products and services for wellness -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Nenah: I'll second that... A Big second. Ozone, however, must be used with understanding, especially if being used as an air purifier. I say this not because ozone, in itself, is dangerous. There is no evidence to suggest this. The problem is that ozone is such a powerful oxidizing agent that it can begin to break down substances in the environment. When ozone reacts with a substance, it will eventually break it down into an inert substance. However, with some substances, such as plastics, this process can take quite some time. Between the time that ozone begins to break down some chemicals, and the time they are effectively nuetralized, they can outgas. As our world becomes more polluted, ozone has the potential of literally being one of the key core substances that may save many, many lives. I've been researching ozone and ozone therapy now for over eight months, and it is endlessly fascinating! Kind Regards, Jason Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: Ken Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:18 AM Subject: CSasthma and CS, again Thanks everyone for the ideas. I'm especially interest in the salt lamps, too. I'm using 3 ionizers in the house now, but I turned them all off because Garnet said the ozone was dangerous. === Sigh. This is what happens when rumors persist and incorrect info is circulated as fact. Say it enough, and say it forcefully enough, and people believe it. Even if it's not true. First, negative ions and ozone are not necessary the same thing. You can have an ion generator that does not produce ozone. Salt lamps are supposed to produce negative ions, the same substances that are being produced by your electrically powered ionizers (if indeed they *are* ionizers). Negative ions are beneficial. So is ozone. I'm sick of repeating myself, so you can look it up in the silver list archives or do a search on Google. The government websites hate ozone and won't tell you the truth. I have an entire section on ozone in my book on sauna therapy, if anyone wants solid documented information -- including the history of ozone use and how the myths about ozone came to be so widely quoted. There's information on ions in the book, too. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD http://www.nenahsylver.com * The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing * The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy * products and services for wellness -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSasthma and CS, again
Some will probably disagree with me but, being sensitive to DMSO, my experience with using it with CS for nebulizing resulted only in coughing fits... I would start out only with CS and be careful about how I introduced the DMSO. Just my opinion... Dan CSasthma and CS, again From: Ken Nancy Bagwell (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:21:03 Thanks everyone for the ideas. I'm especially interest in the salt lamps, too. I'm using 3 ionizers in the house now, but I turned them all off because Garnet said the ozone was dangerous. Later this month, I will try to get a nebulizer and some CS/dmso. However, I still have yet to hear from anyone re my question about DMSO or MSM source. Is there a best cheap source to get them from together? Does the MSM have to be pharmaceutical grade or something, since it's going to very sensitive lungs of my little 2 and 1/2 year old Sophia? -Ken Bagwell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Nenah, Re the below...I noticed you never responded to Garnet on this one. Although, I'm willing to hear you out. http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m75477.html Do you have an online material like what is found in your book? The air cleaner units I have are seen here: http://www.peakpureair.com/surroundair.htm To be honest, it is hard to tell if they work. I bought three of these. One for the bedroom, and two for the living room. We live in a 700 sq. ft apt. I'm not a rocket scientist, so the whole ozone thing for long term air sanitizing is a mystery to me. One person or study says it's bad, then another says it's good. My main thrust for purchasing these, though, was for the ion generation, not really the ozone. So maybe the salt lamps will be a better choice. Maybe you can comment to me privately on that. Sometimes I wish I were rich and well educated, so that I could spend my time conducting studies on these things and find out the truth for myself. It seems you can only really know for sure when you have money to try things out and knowledge to really know what's BS or not. I'm just not in that category. -Ken Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
- Original Message - From: Ken Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS Hi Nenah, Re the below...I noticed you never responded to Garnet on this one. Although, I'm willing to hear you out. http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m75477.html She wrote: Zeolite is not adequate to adsorb VOCs Nenah, it helps but without the potassium iodide impregnated into the zeolite it will miss alot of formaldehyde, ammonia and other VOCs I don't know if this is true or not. That's why I never commented. And I was getting tired of the debate; it was not my intention to prove that I was right. She also wrote: Aranizers produce Ozone (O3) which will depot in sheet rock. Ozone in small amounts will combine with other toxic VOCs in the air and make a more potent chemical cocktail. Ozone is toxic to humans, plants and animals. In minute amounts it is not so noticeable but when you consider the Total Load of toxins you are dealing with plus the above mentioned facts you are poisoning yourself. Sorry to be the harbinger of bad news Nina but this is something I am intimately familiar with as Neuro-pharmacologist and one who has been gravely ill, no pun intended, with MCS and EI. Ozone breaks down into oxygen and the remaining O1, by nature unstable, will scavenge whatever it picks up (a toxin). I don't see how ozone can depot (I think she meant deposit) in sheet rock. All I can say is that based on everything I know, have experienced, and have researched, I disagree about ozone's presumed harm. You have to use your own discernment to find out what's true for you. I subscribe to the Oxyplus list, run by a man whom I regard as one of the most knowledgeable experts in the field of ozone therapy; some of what I have learned is from him. Everything I have done regarding actual ozone use, I would think, is considerably more than what Garnet has done, since she was against using it. How can you say for sure that something is harmful if you've never used or experienced it? Or read data explaining WHY most of the information that's out there is propaganda? She had her beliefs, and felt that she was acting appropriately based on what she believed from her research and education. I had my beliefs, based on research and experience. I consider it a blessing that I didn't have her background; I might have ended up being afraid of ozone too. There has been lots of misinformation about ozone, and I'm not surprised that otherwise knowledge and bright people can be mistaken and misinformed...and then misinform others. Using ozone correctly, and in the proper amounts, has helped me. I've breathed it through olive oil and stopped respiratory wheezing; put it in my ears and considerably lessened a fungal sinus infection (not to mention cleared my brain of toxins and probably fungus too); breathed it in a room where a unit was running (and coughed at first until the crap was oxidized out of my lungs, at which point the ozone in the air no longer bothered me); touched it (gotten rid of gasoline on my hands by placing my hands directly on an Aranizer for 3 minutes); and more. Oh, and I've also placed the lower portion of my small dog in a plastic bag with ozone piped in through a tube. This is to bring ozone to tumors on her belly. Many times after I've done this, the dog's energy has perked up. I don't know if this is relevant or not, but the writer of the above email did spell my name wrong. So she can make mistakes. She also wrote: You must remember that we know NOTHING about the pharmacology of these substances in combination, NOTHING. No one tests this. The governement does not require it nor do they enforce the EPA and other legislation that requires toxicity testing of the millions of chemicals on the market. The mfgs certainly do not test volutarily and in most instances much prefer to pay the fines and court costs involved. It is simply factored into the cost of doing business and the expense is passed on to the unwitting consumer. I'm not sure what she meant by the above. I'm sure that *she* knows nothing about substances in combination; but that doesn't mean that other people don't know anything. Bottom line, to repeat, it's up to each person to do what feels right to him/her. I thought it was a shame that on a health list, people might be swayed by a very powerful and persuasive -- and intelligent! -- writer with a decided bias, a bias based on what I perceived was incomplete knowledge. I wanted to bring in another perspective. I did. I feel no need to defend myself or to defend ozone. If people resonate with what I write, then they'll investigate. Do you have an online material like what is found in your book? You can read the table of contents on my website. There are excerpts from my Rife Handbook; I honestly don't recall
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net Ken, you don't *need* to be a rocket scientist. If you want, you can call the Aranizer company and ask them for a reprint of an article that explains how so many conflicting opinions came to be. In my sauna therapy book, I quote that article and bring together what I believe is the best compilation of data that gives people a real good handle on ozone -- the myths surrounding it, how they came to be, and solid scientific data to refute the myths about ozone's presumed harm. Just quickly jumping in to say that I bought my Aranizer after Hurricane Floyd deposited an incredible amount of water in my finished and carpeted basement in 1999. If it weren't for the fungus killing power of that blessed machine, I probably would've had to tear apart that basement to the bare walls. I LOVE my Aranizer and have it running almost 365 days a year in various rooms of the house. I've even it slept with it running about 4 ' above my head. I usually run it in this very small computer room, for 6 yrs now, and I've not had one piece of equipment affected by it. Like Nenah, I also use ozone to keep my ears/sinuses free of fungal infections. Ozone, properly used, is a wonderful healing tool. Sharon -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
I believe that one need not be rich or expensively educated to discover important things. If you spend some time studying those things that interest you, you may have a breakthrough. Note that the creator of the periodic table of the elements, for example, was just a high school chemistry teacher. The great Faraday started as a mere bookbinder. You and all the rest of us may be capable of far, far more than we imagine. On Saturday, Aug 6, 2005, at 07:04 Asia/Tokyo, Ken Nancy Bagwell wrote: Sometimes I wish I were rich and well educated, so that I could spend my time conducting studies on these things and find out the truth for myself. It seems you can only really know for sure when you have money to try things out and knowledge to really know what's BS or not. I'm just not in that category. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
From: Connie Howard craehow...@juno.com Sharon... Do you think that your Ozone machine would work in my basement? My house is 100 years old and has gone through a lot of moisture being dumped under the house; that couple with Racoons, cats, skunks, etc the smell coming from the basement is not very good. My house is 850 sq ft with a partial basement below half of it. The other part is crawal space. If it would would I need a certain model to handle that space? Connie, It sounds like you have a real challenge. I have to say that I honestly have no idea if the Aranizer would work in your situation, unfortunately. May I suggest that you put Aranizer into google, and see if there is a phone number on their website. They sell several different models for different size areas, for example. My best guess is that it would make a difference, but you don't want to buy this expensive machine based on this layman's guesswork! I wish you success in dealing with your basement Sharon -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
Sharon... Do you think that your Ozone machine would work in my basement? My house is 100 years old and has gone through a lot of moisture being dumped under the house; that couple with Racoons, cats, skunks, etc the smell coming from the basement is not very good. My house is 850 sq ft with a partial basement below half of it. The other part is crawal space. If it would would I need a certain model to handle that space? thanks connie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSasthma and CS, again
Thanks everyone for the ideas. I'm especially interest in the salt lamps, too. I'm using 3 ionizers in the house now, but I turned them all off because Garnet said the ozone was dangerous. Later this month, I will try to get a nebulizer and some CS/dmso. However, I still have yet to hear from anyone re my question about DMSO or MSM source. Is there a best cheap source to get them from together? Does the MSM have to be pharmaceutical grade or something, since it's going to very sensitive lungs of my little 2 and 1/2 year old Sophia? -Ken Bagwell __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAsthma and CS, again.
In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:30:31 PM Central Standard Time, wen...@tuxnightclub.com writes: We've had hair analysis on the kids done and they are low in many things and really low of course in zinc and magnesium despite what I thought to be a good diet, free of junk, sugar, and 95% processed food free. Hi Wendy. Where did you have the hair analysis done? MA
RE: CSAsthma and CS, again.
Through our Naturopath, about $100 Canadian. The lab he uses is http://anamol.com/ in Ontario Canada. In the US, he sometimes also uses this lab but it's more costly for Canadians www.doctorsdata.com http://www.doctorsdata.com/ Hal huggins the biological dentist uses this lab as well for hair analysis when doing the recovery program from amalgam removal. Hth Wendy -Original Message- From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] Sent: August 3, 2005 6:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAsthma and CS, again. In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:30:31 PM Central Standard Time, wen...@tuxnightclub.com writes: We've had hair analysis on the kids done and they are low in many things and really low of course in zinc and magnesium despite what I thought to be a good diet, free of junk, sugar, and 95% processed food free. Hi Wendy. Where did you have the hair analysis done? MA
Re: CSAsthma and CS, again.
My little 2 and 1/2 year old daughter Sophia has what could only be asthma. But I can't pin down what is causing it. Sometimes it seems like cold weather, other times I simply cannot tell what it is. Asthma is the body's response to irritation, which can be produced by environmental toxins and natural free radicals. Bad bowel bacteria (dysbiosis) may contribute the biggest toxin load 24 hours a day. It is maintaind by a high sugar and starch diet. Toxins and free radicals are irritants, so they predictably produce inflammation and mucous, both of which restrict airways. A fair bit of research links low antioxidant pool, notably low glutathione, to high oxidative stress (free radical damage). The lungs are about the third biggest users of the body's glutathione pool and they are sensitive so you often see a reaction there. Some research also links low production of nitric oxide in the lungs to asthma. Nitric oxide is not only an antioxidant but also a vein wall tone relaxer; levating it allows easier breathing. I've had good results with asthma and even COPD by using an antioxidant program, vitamins C, E, A, selenium, and cld-processed whey, which produces the glutathione in the lung cells. Glutathione is also used to detoxify the whole body, and it's the liver's main support in doing so. I also recommended a b-vitamin complex to harden up all the cells, and a few other things might be helpful, such as cod-liver oil (one has to wonder how much free radical damage has already occurrd to the polyunsaturated oils in the cell walls of lungs, and if they can be repaired). Nitric oxide is increased with the amino acid arginine, which is present in the cold-processed whey, and it's also increased with Noni. Powdered Noni is several times as potent as Noni Juice. Tahitian Noni (TM) is perhaps the lowest potency Noni Juice product on the market. Lastly, if these don't work, and normally they do, Glyconutrients are usful for reducing an allergic response. They work by allowing the immune response to be controlled a little closer. Duncan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I agree with Jill. As an EFT therapist myself I have seen great result in treating asthma and breathing problems. Very often there is an emotional upset involved in the body that triggered the intitial allergy/asthma/breathing problem and it usually can be corrected with EFT. Steve
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Type Salt Lamp into a search engine.These thing produce Negative Ions which clean the air. Ebay has a bunch of them for sale. - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:37 PM Subject: CSAsthma and CS, again. Hi, I have a grandchild who is 7. When she gets to running around playing she will get into coughing jagsor at night if she is not propped up with pillows she coughs really hard I give her cough syrup, during the times I get to see her I give her cswouldn't help to put cs in a vaporizer at least too? Thanks deb
CSAsthma and CS, again.
Hi all, My little 2 and 1/2 year old daughter Sophia has what could only be asthma. She gets she bouts of coughing out of nowhere, and they don't go away for hours. She usually has accompanying wheezing and shortness of breath at the same time. It's not so short that it seems dangerous, usually, but it's noticable. One time, however, she did seem very short of breath and we took her to the hospital. They put her on oxygen and gave albuterol, and we went home. No other severe attacks quite like that since. But I can't pin down what is causing it. Sometimes it seems like cold weather, other times I simply cannot tell what it is. I looked up asthma here on the list and Garnet and Paul Holloway seemed to have some great ideas. But I'm curious, has CS actually helped anyone with asthma? There seems to be very little info on the net using CS for this purpose, or maybe I'm not looking too well. Also, 2 more questions: Where is the best place to get DMSO to combine with the CS? And what is the best portable nebulizer that doesn't cost a fortune? Thanks, everyone. -Ken Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAsthma and CS, again. case histories
Two friends with 25 years of serious asthma each were willing to put some CS in their inhalers when they visited my house and had difficulty breathing. (cats) The relief was almost instant (2 mnutes, perhaps.) They took some CS with them and went back to Jersey City, NJ. They had been raised in brownstones that were now quite moldy with age and dampness. Their asthma began in childhood. They used CS in a nebulizer 4-6 times a day. First week, coughed up yucky green stuff 2nd and 3rd weeks, dark browny yellow Followed by weeks with pale yellow and then almost clear. They now use CS one day a week to maintain health. I don't know what causes asthma -- but this sure seemed like fungus/mold to us. Check out nebulizers on ebay. Many styles, many brand new Cheaper, even with shipping Judy Down Maine ___ Barn Star Cottage -- rent by day or week year round in beautiful midcoast Maine -- sleeps 4 Queen full beds, well-equipped kitchen, all linens provided, washer/dryer, 2 TVs phone. 4 miles from Route #1 in rural Cushing, Maine. Close to everything. Judy at 207-354-7091 -Original Message- From: Ken Nancy Bagwell [mailto:kenancy2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAsthma and CS, again. Hi all, My little 2 and 1/2 year old daughter Sophia has what could only be asthma. She gets she bouts of coughing out of nowhere, and they don't go away for hours. She usually has accompanying wheezing and shortness of breath at the same time. It's not so short that it seems dangerous, usually, but it's noticable. One time, however, she did seem very short of breath and we took her to the hospital. They put her on oxygen and gave albuterol, and we went home. No other severe attacks quite like that since. But I can't pin down what is causing it. Sometimes it seems like cold weather, other times I simply cannot tell what it is. I looked up asthma here on the list and Garnet and Paul Holloway seemed to have some great ideas. But I'm curious, has CS actually helped anyone with asthma? There seems to be very little info on the net using CS for this purpose, or maybe I'm not looking too well. Also, 2 more questions: Where is the best place to get DMSO to combine with the CS? And what is the best portable nebulizer that doesn't cost a fortune? Thanks, everyone. -Ken Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005
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Hi There Ken - just a guideline to maybe look at - as per Louse Hay asthma indicates the possibility of - smother love, Inability to breathe for one's self. Feeling stifled, suppressed crying - this is my input for this situation - hope something jogs the mind re the above - good luck Regards Sandee The one who accomplished it is the one who failed to realize that he could not do it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The Water Cure book says Asthma is caused from lack of water. Hulda Clark in THE CURE FOR ALL DESEASES says it caused from a parasite. Theres type of tree bark from Africa thats suppose to cure it. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi, I can tell you that I had my youngest son (at the time he was 6) diagnosed with asthmatic like tendencies/allergies...what They wanted him on two type of inhalers. One for everyday with no symptoms and one for when he gets an attack. Every time he got a cold and cough...they said he should be on the inhalers. It seemed to me that every time he used them his cough was worse and I really didn't like the fact of him using these steroids on an every day basis. So I bought him a nebulizer on Ebay, mixed up a batch of R. Harris's CS recipe for nebulizing and the difference I saw was nothing short of miraculous. Every time he started to get a cough...I would start him nebulizing (did the same with his older brother) with in 24-48 hours cough/cold and all symptoms went away. I will never use a prescribed inhaler again. Thank you CS and all you informative people on this list. Deb - Original Message - From: Ken Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: CSAsthma and CS, again. Hi all, My little 2 and 1/2 year old daughter Sophia has what could only be asthma. She gets she bouts of coughing out of nowhere, and they don't go away for hours. She usually has accompanying wheezing and shortness of breath at the same time. It's not so short that it seems dangerous, usually, but it's noticable. One time, however, she did seem very short of breath and we took her to the hospital. They put her on oxygen and gave albuterol, and we went home. No other severe attacks quite like that since. But I can't pin down what is causing it. Sometimes it seems like cold weather, other times I simply cannot tell what it is. I looked up asthma here on the list and Garnet and Paul Holloway seemed to have some great ideas. But I'm curious, has CS actually helped anyone with asthma? There seems to be very little info on the net using CS for this purpose, or maybe I'm not looking too well. Also, 2 more questions: Where is the best place to get DMSO to combine with the CS? And what is the best portable nebulizer that doesn't cost a fortune? Thanks, everyone. -Ken Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Deb and others. I'd like to hear more about the neubilizers, and strategies for using it with kids. I've heard about them but haven't a clue how they work. With winter approaching I am wanting to be prepared as much as possible with the kids. We've had a rough year. There was a devilbiss advertised in the local paper for $85 canadian last week but I didn't know what kind or anything else to know if it would work. (I've just started digging around in the archives here at the group since joining) My then 3.5 yr old, exclusively breastfed 4 month old and I came down with pertussis (whooping cough) in March of this year. I did a bit of ozone therapy with them, oral CS, homeopathics, transfactors, colostrum and the kitchen sink but nothing was helping- we worked with a naturopath and a homeopath, it was very nasty and scary with the baby to say the least. After being in touch with a woman in New Zealand, we began mega dosing with Sodium ascorbate (vit c) and it turned us right around within 24-48 hrs. However we still have the lingering cough...after too much exertion, cold things or for the kids if they get upset. It's supposed to be 100 day cough and it's been 3.5 - 4 months now and we aren't 100% yet. We've had hair analysis on the kids done and they are low in many things and really low of course in zinc and magnesium despite what I thought to be a good diet, free of junk, sugar, and 95% processed food free. We are working with EFA's, acidophilous, supplements, etc. I've been reading SuperImmunity for kids too which has great info. Anyhow, after reading these emails today about the cs and asthma...I am wondering about the neubilizer and the cs. My dad and I just got a cs maker from silvergen today in the mail (woohoo) with all the gadgets so I am looking forward to reading and learning more as I have a lot to learn. He's the one who's been doing all the research and reading and he's brewing a batch already. So I will continue to dig around in the archives but I would love to hear others experiences, especially from parents, colds and flus etc. Thanks Warmly Wendy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/holisticparentsnetworkofontario -Original Message- From: DebMark [mailto:spa...@warwick.net] Sent: August 2, 2005 10:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAsthma and CS, again. Hi, I can tell you that I had my youngest son (at the time he was 6) diagnosed with asthmatic like tendencies/allergies...what They wanted him on two type of inhalers. One for everyday with no symptoms and one for when he gets an attack. Every time he got a cold and cough...they said he should be on the inhalers. It seemed to me that every time he used them his cough was worse and I really didn't like the fact of him using these steroids on an every day basis. So I bought him a nebulizer on Ebay, mixed up a batch of R. Harris's CS recipe for nebulizing and the difference I saw was nothing short of miraculous. Every time he started to get a cough...I would start him nebulizing (did the same with his older brother) with in 24-48 hours cough/cold and all symptoms went away. I will never use a prescribed inhaler again. Thank you CS and all you informative people on this list. Deb - Original Message - From: Ken Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: CSAsthma and CS, again. Hi all, My little 2 and 1/2 year old daughter Sophia has what could only be asthma. She gets she bouts of coughing out of nowhere, and they don't go away for hours. She usually has accompanying wheezing and shortness of breath at the same time. It's not so short that it seems dangerous, usually, but it's noticable. One time, however, she did seem very short of breath and we took her to the hospital. They put her on oxygen and gave albuterol, and we went home. No other severe attacks quite like that since. But I can't pin down what is causing it. Sometimes it seems like cold weather, other times I simply cannot tell what it is. I looked up asthma here on the list and Garnet and Paul Holloway seemed to have some great ideas. But I'm curious, has CS actually helped anyone with asthma? There seems to be very little info on the net using CS for this purpose, or maybe I'm not looking too well. Also, 2 more questions: Where is the best place to get DMSO to combine with the CS? And what is the best portable nebulizer that doesn't cost a fortune? Thanks, everyone. -Ken Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages
Re: CSAsthma and CS, again.
Type ( Yamoa ) into search engine. Its the stuff from a African tree that suppose to cure Asthma hay fever. - Original Message - From: Ken Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: CSAsthma and CS, again. Hi all, My little 2 and 1/2 year old daughter Sophia has what could only be asthma. She gets she bouts of coughing out of nowhere, and they don't go away for hours. She usually has accompanying wheezing and shortness of breath at the same time. It's not so short that it seems dangerous, usually, but it's noticable. One time, however, she did seem very short of breath and we took her to the hospital. They put her on oxygen and gave albuterol, and we went home. No other severe attacks quite like that since. But I can't pin down what is causing it. Sometimes it seems like cold weather, other times I simply cannot tell what it is. I looked up asthma here on the list and Garnet and Paul Holloway seemed to have some great ideas. But I'm curious, has CS actually helped anyone with asthma? There seems to be very little info on the net using CS for this purpose, or maybe I'm not looking too well. Also, 2 more questions: Where is the best place to get DMSO to combine with the CS? And what is the best portable nebulizer that doesn't cost a fortune? Thanks, everyone. -Ken Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAsthma and CS, again.
Hi, I have a grandchild who is 7. When she gets to running around playing she will get into coughing jagsor at night if she is not propped up with pillows she coughs really hard I give her cough syrup, during the times I get to see her I give her cswouldn't help to put cs in a vaporizer at least too? Thanks deb
Re: CSAsthma and CS, again.
In my psychological practice I have had success with asthma, by removing the unconscious emotional issues associated with it. I treated a woman for issues regarding abuse by her father. We were not targeting the asthma. She had a history of severe asthma since childhood, with recurrent hospitalizations, about once per month. She had a cold when she came to see me, and so was having more than the usual difficulty breathing. I used a technique similar to EFT to clear all the negative emotions associated with the abuse. During the course of the 45 minute treatment her breathing became easier, and was completely normal by the end of the session. She has had no recurrence of the asthma since that day. The trick would be to find the emotional issue which is triggering the asthma. Muscle testing would work. Then use EFT to completely clear the issue so that when the painful situations are remembered, there is no negative emotional reaction. I have also seen asthma cleared by removal of allergens (not only the airborne ones, but also food, drink, chemicals). I think muscle testing could pinpoint the cause/causes of the allergic asthma, and then the allergen could be avoided, or the person could be desensitized. After I was desensitized to egg, dairy and wheat, I no longer experienced the difficulty breathing, coughing, wheezing, bronchitis and pneumonia I had suffered for many years. It is totally gone. I had been sleeping sitting up, and coughed for two hours, with difficulty breathing, after every meal. Also, a solution called Oralmat by Allergy Research Group sounds very promising. I didn't use mine since the asthma was treated by allergy desensitization instead, so I can't vouch for it personally. The company says that childhood asthma is more prevalent in Australia than anywhere else in the world, and they have created an extract from a type of tree that grows there. In clinical studies they have been able to reduce incidences of serious asthma, requiring hospitalizations, around 90%. Check out www.nutricology.com. Jill
