RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Neville]

From: one.red...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:25:52 +1100




Tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree here with the following Jason, or 
anyone else I guess...
The electrolysis process generates hydrogen and oxygen bubbles at applicable 
electrodes, water is H2O, 2 hydrogen to 1 oxygen, so in the brewing process 
whereby hydrogen is "released?" as bubbles, and so to with oxygen, and the 
ratio of water is 2:1 would it not follow there is more hydrogen lost than 
oxygen?
pH meters register amount of hydrogen in water, so if more hydrogen is lost 
than oxygen would that not mean pH should read more on the alkaline side?  The 
lower the hydrogen the higher the alkalinity?
Even is it was a 1:1 ratio of hydrogen and oxygen lost there would still be 
less hydrogen than oxygen due to being 2 hydrogen to begin with...Yes/No?
Not sure if I've explained myself adequately here.
N.

> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:36:27 -0800
> From: ja...@eytonsearth.org
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
> 
> Hi Reece:
> 
> It has a lot to do with it, because making EIS should have no impact on pH.
> 
> I test the pH of the distilled water to gauge its quality.  Pure water 
> is pH neutral (7.0).
> 
> I test the pH after brewing, and there should not be a significant change.
> 
> If I start with a Ph of 7.0, and up with a pH of 5.5, then there is a 
> contamination issue with the process.
> 
> It's just an added extra control to verify quality.
> 
> ~Jason
> 


  

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Reece Maxey]

 the machine they used could have 
>>> had *anything* in them prior to my tests being performed?  I also 
>>> understood DW would/could vary in quality from batch to batch.  This 
>>> can/could also affect pH readings.  Unless one is looking over "someones?" 
>>> shoulder and ensuring everything is as clean and contaminant free as is 
>>> possible there is not much point in testing for anything, anywhere?  All 
>>> these facilities and the people working in them have no understanding our 
>>> product, hence they would not be as pedantic and methodical with things as 
>>> we would like them to be.
>>> 
>>> So, I'm back to square one in not trusting anything or anyone other than my 
>>> own visual observations of my product, and my own determinations on same.  
>>> I have not been disappointed yet, and am satisfied with the quality of my 
>>> product.
>>> 
>>> I think people can trip up with all the, let's say, "pedantics" of this 
>>> stuff.  I'm not a happy chappy anyway, I'll just stick to what I've been 
>>> doing for years and leave the rest of it for someone else.  If it looks 
>>> like a quality product, behaves like a quality product, remains visually 
>>> like a quality product and is seemingly as efficacious as a quality 
>>> product...Then it *IS* a quality product .
>>> 
>>> When my better half wins that XLotto I may invest in my own personal 
>>> laboratory, and get someone who knows how to use it to test stuff for me 
>>> .  What we would like and what we can get are two entirely different 
>>> things.
>>> 
>>> P.S.  As a general question for anyone else who may wish to contribute an 
>>> answer...Why do pH meters seemingly contaminate water?
>>> 
>>> N.
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
>>> From: d...@deetroy.org
>>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:23:07 +
>>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> 
>>> Same here Neville, I just use paper towel and all the grey comes off nicely 
>>> in second and I always have clear CS every time.  I forgot to ask about 
>>> your strange phenomena and how it turned out.  So it was never really 
>>> resolved?  Cèst là vie!   Dee
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 18 Feb 2015, at 01:21, Neville  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It would
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Malcolm]

his morning that the measuring cup, and the syringe, and the 
> >> little circular thingy they inserted into the machine they used could have 
> >> had *anything* in them prior to my tests being performed?  I also 
> >> understood DW would/could vary in quality from batch to batch.  This 
> >> can/could also affect pH readings.  Unless one is looking over "someones?" 
> >> shoulder and ensuring everything is as clean and contaminant free as is 
> >> possible there is not much point in testing for anything, anywhere?  All 
> >> these facilities and the people working in them have no understanding our 
> >> product, hence they would not be as pedantic and methodical with things as 
> >> we would like them to be.
> >>
> >> So, I'm back to square one in not trusting anything or anyone other than 
> >> my own visual observations of my product, and my own determinations on 
> >> same.  I have not been disappointed yet, and am satisfied with the quality 
> >> of my product.
> >>
> >> I think people can trip up with all the, let's say, "pedantics" of this 
> >> stuff.  I'm not a happy chappy anyway, I'll just stick to what I've been 
> >> doing for years and leave the rest of it for someone else.  If it looks 
> >> like a quality product, behaves like a quality product, remains visually 
> >> like a quality product and is seemingly as efficacious as a quality 
> >> product...Then it *IS* a quality product .
> >>
> >> When my better half wins that XLotto I may invest in my own personal 
> >> laboratory, and get someone who knows how to use it to test stuff for me 
> >> .  What we would like and what we can get are two entirely different 
> >> things.
> >>
> >> P.S.  As a general question for anyone else who may wish to contribute an 
> >> answer...Why do pH meters seemingly contaminate water?
> >>
> >> N.
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
> >> From: d...@deetroy.org
> >> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:23:07 +
> >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >>
> >> Same here Neville, I just use paper towel and all the grey comes off 
> >> nicely in second and I always have clear CS every time.  I forgot to ask 
> >> about your strange phenomena and how it turned out.  So it was never 
> >> really resolved?  Cèst là vie!   Dee
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On 18 Feb 2015, at 01:21, Neville  wrote:
> >>
> >> It would
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>
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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Reece Maxey]

 returned 7.0, what it will be in a 
>>> few weeks time I have no idea?
>>> 
>>> I realised this morning that the measuring cup, and the syringe, and the 
>>> little circular thingy they inserted into the machine they used could have 
>>> had *anything* in them prior to my tests being performed?  I also 
>>> understood DW would/could vary in quality from batch to batch.  This 
>>> can/could also affect pH readings.  Unless one is looking over "someones?" 
>>> shoulder and ensuring everything is as clean and contaminant free as is 
>>> possible there is not much point in testing for anything, anywhere?  All 
>>> these facilities and the people working in them have no understanding our 
>>> product, hence they would not be as pedantic and methodical with things as 
>>> we would like them to be.
>>> 
>>> So, I'm back to square one in not trusting anything or anyone other than my 
>>> own visual observations of my product, and my own determinations on same.  
>>> I have not been disappointed yet, and am satisfied with the quality of my 
>>> product.
>>> 
>>> I think people can trip up with all the, let's say, "pedantics" of this 
>>> stuff.  I'm not a happy chappy anyway, I'll just stick to what I've been 
>>> doing for years and leave the rest of it for someone else.  If it looks 
>>> like a quality product, behaves like a quality product, remains visually 
>>> like a quality product and is seemingly as efficacious as a quality 
>>> product...Then it *IS* a quality product .
>>> 
>>> When my better half wins that XLotto I may invest in my own personal 
>>> laboratory, and get someone who knows how to use it to test stuff for me 
>>> .  What we would like and what we can get are two entirely different 
>>> things.
>>> 
>>> P.S.  As a general question for anyone else who may wish to contribute an 
>>> answer...Why do pH meters seemingly contaminate water?
>>> 
>>> N.
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
>>> From: d...@deetroy.org
>>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:23:07 +
>>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> 
>>> Same here Neville, I just use paper towel and all the grey comes off nicely 
>>> in second and I always have clear CS every time.  I forgot to ask about 
>>> your strange phenomena and how it turned out.  So it was never really 
>>> resolved?  Cèst là vie!   Dee
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 18 Feb 2015, at 01:21, Neville  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It would
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Jason]

efficacious as a quality 
product...Then it *IS* a quality product .

When my better half wins that XLotto I may invest in my own personal laboratory, and 
get someone who knows how to use it to test stuff for me .  What we would 
like and what we can get are two entirely different things.

P.S.  As a general question for anyone else who may wish to contribute an 
answer...Why do pH meters seemingly contaminate water?

N.

Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
From: d...@deetroy.org
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:23:07 +
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Same here Neville, I just use paper towel and all the grey comes off nicely in 
second and I always have clear CS every time.  I forgot to ask about your 
strange phenomena and how it turned out.  So it was never really resolved?  
Cèst là vie!   Dee

Sent from my iPad

On 18 Feb 2015, at 01:21, Neville  wrote:

It would







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RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Neville]

Probably nothing Opa, but on the other hand it could have something to do with 
why this stuff works so well...Who knows?
If pH is higher in end product, could that be one reason, aside from the 
silver, for it working as well as it does?
As I said before, it was just a pet theory of mine I had rolling around in my 
head that's all.

N.

> From: ozarko...@att.net
> Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:33:52 -0600
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> I'm treading water as fast as I can, but it is getting too deep for me.
> What does pH have to do with the EIS process?
> Opa
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Feb 19, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Sandra George  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Neville I have never experienced your situation with the ph meter - 
> > immediately thought of the calibration liquid as the possible culprit, 
> > however you rinsed well so cannot make any comments - I use either the TDS 
> > meter or the PH meter however I never put what I have tested back into 
> > anything this goes down the drain - so maybe there is some
> > chemical reaction with some deposit of some sort which was not apparent at 
> > the time.
> > Agreed with your statement about what you produce, I feel the same way 
> > about mine 
> > Take good care
> > Sandee🐬
> > Attitude is everything !!!
> > Sandra George
> > Colloidal Silver Products
> > Eye Drops & Topical Gel
> > aliveagai...@yahoo.com
> > 

  

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Reece Maxey]

hen 
> it *IS* a quality product .
> 
> When my better half wins that XLotto I may invest in my own personal 
> laboratory, and get someone who knows how to use it to test stuff for me . 
>  What we would like and what we can get are two entirely different things.
> 
> P.S.  As a general question for anyone else who may wish to contribute an 
> answer...Why do pH meters seemingly contaminate water?
> 
> N.
> 
> Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
> From: d...@deetroy.org
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:23:07 +
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> Same here Neville, I just use paper towel and all the grey comes off nicely 
> in second and I always have clear CS every time.  I forgot to ask about your 
> strange phenomena and how it turned out.  So it was never really resolved?  
> Cèst là vie!   Dee
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 18 Feb 2015, at 01:21, Neville  wrote:
> 
> It would
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Sandra George]

Hi Neville I have never experienced your situation with the ph meter - 
immediately thought of the calibration liquid as the possible culprit, however 
you rinsed well so cannot make any comments - I use either the TDS meter or the 
PH meter however I never put what I have tested back into anything this goes 
down the drain - so maybe there is some
chemical reaction with some deposit of some sort which was not apparent at the 
time.
Agreed with your statement about what you produce, I feel the same way about 
mine 
Take good care
Sandee🐬
Attitude is everything !!!
Sandra George
Colloidal Silver Products
Eye Drops & Topical Gel
aliveagai...@yahoo.com



On 18 Feb 2015, at 21:54, Neville  wrote:

SOLVED...LOL.  Well I believe I've solved it anyway, and I only solved it this 
morning Dee.

Due to recent comments here regarding pH I thought I'd play around and test 
again with another batch, and within minutes the water turned milky...WHAT 
THE...???  I knew what was coming next, that dark spot in the centre of the 
bottom of the vessel the next day.

I dug deep into my memory bank and remembered I used a pH meter previously, but 
like an idiot I returned the test sample back into my brew water prior to 
starting the brew process - BIG mistake seemingly.

On contemplating events I came to the conclusion pH meters somehow contaminate 
water.  I dumped that entire batch down the sink, only about 1200ml, cleaned 
the vessel out with paper towel and started again using DW straight out of the 
bottle - perfect, clear and as it should be both during and upon cessation of 
the brew process.

I did however test the pH of the DW out of the bottle, and of course tipped 
that sample down the sink rather than returning it to the DW I intended to 
brew, I also tested pH in a batch of EIS that's been in storage for a while.  I 
did calibrate the El Cheapo EBay pH meter according to instructions initially, 
and then rinsed it several times with DW hoping everything was 'good to go'.

Now, I had some samples tested several years ago at an Industrial Complex 
laboratory, those EIS samples returned readings between 7.4 and 7.8, besides 
other results I wanted, in a clear, a yellow and an amber or tea coloured 
solution.

I had this mornings batch tested, and an older sample, plus the DW I used for 
this mornings batch.  They used some computer program and ancillary equipment 
for testing purposes.  I labelled them 'A' and 'B', 'B' being this mornings 
fresh batch, and just took the bottle of DW to them.

My DW test out of the bottle with meter for sample 'B', this mornings sample = 
6.7   Their test on same DW using their equipment = 6.7, all seems well.

I didn't test or document pH of DW in sample 'A' which was an old batch of EIS, 
but their test on that sample returned 6.8

Sample 'B', this mornings fresh batch returned 7.0, what it will be in a few 
weeks time I have no idea?

I realised this morning that the measuring cup, and the syringe, and the little 
circular thingy they inserted into the machine they used could have had 
*anything* in them prior to my tests being performed?  I also understood DW 
would/could vary in quality from batch to batch.  This can/could also affect pH 
readings.  Unless one is looking over "someones?" shoulder and ensuring 
everything is as clean and contaminant free as is possible there is not much 
point in testing for anything, anywhere?  All these facilities and the people 
working in them have no understanding our product, hence they would not be as 
pedantic and methodical with things as we would like them to be.

So, I'm back to square one in not trusting anything or anyone other than my own 
visual observations of my product, and my own determinations on same.  I have 
not been disappointed yet, and am satisfied with the quality of my product.

I think people can trip up with all the, let's say, "pedantics" of this stuff.  
I'm not a happy chappy anyway, I'll just stick to what I've been doing for 
years and leave the rest of it for someone else.  If it looks like a quality 
product, behaves like a quality product, remains visually like a quality 
product and is seemingly as efficacious as a quality product...Then it *IS* a 
quality product .

When my better half wins that XLotto I may invest in my own personal 
laboratory, and get someone who knows how to use it to test stuff for me .  
What we would like and what we can get are two entirely different things.

P.S.  As a general question for anyone else who may wish to contribute an 
answer...Why do pH meters seemingly contaminate water?

N.

Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
From: d...@deetroy.org
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:23:07 +
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Same here Neville, I just use paper towel and all the grey comes off nicely in 
second and I always have clear CS every ti

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Jason]

Hi Neville:


On 2/18/2015 5:54 PM, Neville wrote:


On contemplating events I came to the conclusion pH meters somehow
contaminate water.  I dumped that entire batch down the sink, only about
1200ml, cleaned the vessel out with paper towel and started again using
DW straight out of the bottle - perfect, clear and as it should be both
during and upon cessation of the brew process.


..interesting, my Hanna Multi-meter doesn't contaminate the water, but I 
do rinse it with distilled water and wipe it down before use.


~Jason


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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Dee]

Thanks Neville, and by the way (so's not to send two emails) I got an email 
from Floyd which I replied to, and it contained the bit about not being able to 
be read by the silver list server - and my reply was returned! So who knows 
what's going on there!  Dee

Sent from my iPad

> On 19 Feb 2015, at 10:43, Neville  wrote:
> 
> Well I was working on a pet private theory I've had for years regarding EIS.  
> From my earlier laboratory tests the pH was between 7.0 and 8.0, on the 
> alkaline side, even after weeks in storage, now if cancer and other nasties 
> supposed to thrive or grow or multiply in an acidic environment I considered 
> perhaps this could have something to do with how efficacious this stuff is, 
> and I sort of still believe it has some merit.
> 
> I also believe if taken first thing in the morning before breakfast the 
> stomach acid will be at it's lowest ebb, due to having nothing to digest for 
> a number of hours during the night, this also is included in my pet theory 
> for efficacy.  I have only stumbled upon one article which supports that 
> view.  May be common knowledge to other folk, but being a numpty I only 
> considered it in more recent times.
> 
> As you may remember, I have always held the belief that EIS ingested 
> immediately after brewing contains the highest amount of Ag+ ions, {which it 
> does}, and hence is at its highest in efficacy, due to relative dormancy of 
> stomach acid as explained above.  One other pH test I had undertaken in the 
> past, {tested within hours of production and apparently was extremely high 
> alkaline from what the bloke said} convinced me I may not be talking out of 
> my hat.  All these in combination I had hypothesised could, and I repeat, 
> "could", have something to do with why this stuff is so good for some health 
> issues.
> 
> Now of course everything, other than the stomach acid thing, is all 
> hypothesising and simply pie in the sky and has been blown completely out of 
> the water with these other pH tests I had just got done.
> 
> It now seems one just cannot rely and/or trust anyone else to perform any 
> form of tests, nor can one rely on the cleanliness of equipment used for that 
> testing.  There are just too many inconsistencies and potential variables 
> with DW, personnel involved in the testing, equipment used, unknown 
> contaminants etc etc.
> 
> It just annoys me that I can find zero information in the public domain 
> regarding the stuff we make, everything revolves around that damn so called 
> "colloidal silver" and it's illegitimate cousins.  I am unable to find 
> anything to do with our predominantly ionic product which can be taken as 
> gospel or of any relative value.
> 
> Today was a disappointing day for me.  OK, I may use a cheap brand of DW, but 
> it would be nice to try Pure Water such as chemists use for prescriptions, or 
> other water of excellent purity for pH testing, even RO water, which I 
> can't/won't do in my kitchen anyway, so not being strong on patience I shan't 
> bother messing around with pH for a while now. The more answers or clues I 
> look for only turns up even more questions and uncertainties.
> 
> N.
> 
> Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
> From: d...@deetroy.org
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:42:19 +
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> That's very interesting Neville and full marks for perseverance!  I've never 
> tested for ph - only ppm and my distilled water always reads '0' on that and 
> the CS always ends up about 15.  Does ph matter - I mean I know it does in 
> our bodies, but does it in CS?  Many thanks...Dee
> 

RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Neville]

Well I was working on a pet private theory I've had for years regarding EIS.  
From my earlier laboratory tests the pH was between 7.0 and 8.0, on the 
alkaline side, even after weeks in storage, now if cancer and other nasties 
supposed to thrive or grow or multiply in an acidic environment I considered 
perhaps this could have something to do with how efficacious this stuff is, and 
I sort of still believe it has some merit.
I also believe if taken first thing in the morning before breakfast the stomach 
acid will be at it's lowest ebb, due to having nothing to digest for a number 
of hours during the night, this also is included in my pet theory for efficacy. 
 I have only stumbled upon one article which supports that view.  May be common 
knowledge to other folk, but being a numpty I only considered it in more recent 
times.
As you may remember, I have always held the belief that EIS ingested 
immediately after brewing contains the highest amount of Ag+ ions, {which it 
does}, and hence is at its highest in efficacy, due to relative dormancy of 
stomach acid as explained above.  One other pH test I had undertaken in the 
past, {tested within hours of production and apparently was extremely high 
alkaline from what the bloke said} convinced me I may not be talking out of my 
hat.  All these in combination I had hypothesised could, and I repeat, "could", 
have something to do with why this stuff is so good for some health issues.
Now of course everything, other than the stomach acid thing, is all 
hypothesising and simply pie in the sky and has been blown completely out of 
the water with these other pH tests I had just got done.
It now seems one just cannot rely and/or trust anyone else to perform any form 
of tests, nor can one rely on the cleanliness of equipment used for that 
testing.  There are just too many inconsistencies and potential variables with 
DW, personnel involved in the testing, equipment used, unknown contaminants etc 
etc.
It just annoys me that I can find zero information in the public domain 
regarding the stuff we make, everything revolves around that damn so called 
"colloidal silver" and it's illegitimate cousins.  I am unable to find anything 
to do with our predominantly ionic product which can be taken as gospel or of 
any relative value.
Today was a disappointing day for me.  OK, I may use a cheap brand of DW, but 
it would be nice to try Pure Water such as chemists use for prescriptions, or 
other water of excellent purity for pH testing, even RO water, which I 
can't/won't do in my kitchen anyway, so not being strong on patience I shan't 
bother messing around with pH for a while now. The more answers or clues I look 
for only turns up even more questions and uncertainties.
N.

Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
From: d...@deetroy.org
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:42:19 +
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

That's very interesting Neville and full marks for perseverance!  I've never 
tested for ph - only ppm and my distilled water always reads '0' on that and 
the CS always ends up about 15.  Does ph matter - I mean I know it does in our 
bodies, but does it in CS?  Many thanks...Dee

  
  
  

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Dee]

That's very interesting Neville and full marks for perseverance!  I've never 
tested for ph - only ppm and my distilled water always reads '0' on that and 
the CS always ends up about 15.  Does ph matter - I mean I know it does in our 
bodies, but does it in CS?  Many thanks...Dee

Sent from my iPad

> On 19 Feb 2015, at 01:54, Neville  wrote:
> 
> SOLVED...LOL.  Well I believe I've solved it anyway, and I only solved it 
> this morning Dee.
> 
> Due to recent comments here regarding pH I thought I'd play around and test 
> again with another batch, and within minutes the water turned milky...WHAT 
> THE...???  I knew what was coming next, that dark spot in the centre of the 
> bottom of the vessel the next day.
> 
> I dug deep into my memory bank and remembered I used a pH meter previously, 
> but like an idiot I returned the test sample back into my brew water prior to 
> starting the brew process - BIG mistake seemingly.
> 
> On contemplating events I came to the conclusion pH meters somehow 
> contaminate water.  I dumped that entire batch down the sink, only about 
> 1200ml, cleaned the vessel out with paper towel and started again using DW 
> straight out of the bottle - perfect, clear and as it should be both during 
> and upon cessation of the brew process.
> 
> I did however test the pH of the DW out of the bottle, and of course tipped 
> that sample down the sink rather than returning it to the DW I intended to 
> brew, I also tested pH in a batch of EIS that's been in storage for a while.  
> I did calibrate the El Cheapo EBay pH meter according to instructions 
> initially, and then rinsed it several times with DW hoping everything was 
> 'good to go'.
> 
> Now, I had some samples tested several years ago at an Industrial Complex 
> laboratory, those EIS samples returned readings between 7.4 and 7.8, besides 
> other results I wanted, in a clear, a yellow and an amber or tea coloured 
> solution.
> 
> I had this mornings batch tested, and an older sample, plus the DW I used for 
> this mornings batch.  They used some computer program and ancillary equipment 
> for testing purposes.  I labelled them 'A' and 'B', 'B' being this mornings 
> fresh batch, and just took the bottle of DW to them.
> 
> My DW test out of the bottle with meter for sample 'B', this mornings sample 
> = 6.7   Their test on same DW using their equipment = 6.7, all seems well.
> 
> I didn't test or document pH of DW in sample 'A' which was an old batch of 
> EIS, but their test on that sample returned 6.8
> 
> Sample 'B', this mornings fresh batch returned 7.0, what it will be in a few 
> weeks time I have no idea?
> 
> I realised this morning that the measuring cup, and the syringe, and the 
> little circular thingy they inserted into the machine they used could have 
> had *anything* in them prior to my tests being performed?  I also understood 
> DW would/could vary in quality from batch to batch.  This can/could also 
> affect pH readings.  Unless one is looking over "someones?" shoulder and 
> ensuring everything is as clean and contaminant free as is possible there is 
> not much point in testing for anything, anywhere?  All these facilities and 
> the people working in them have no understanding our product, hence they 
> would not be as pedantic and methodical with things as we would like them to 
> be.
> 
> So, I'm back to square one in not trusting anything or anyone other than my 
> own visual observations of my product, and my own determinations on same.  I 
> have not been disappointed yet, and am satisfied with the quality of my 
> product.
> 
> I think people can trip up with all the, let's say, "pedantics" of this 
> stuff.  I'm not a happy chappy anyway, I'll just stick to what I've been 
> doing for years and leave the rest of it for someone else.  If it looks like 
> a quality product, behaves like a quality product, remains visually like a 
> quality product and is seemingly as efficacious as a quality product...Then 
> it *IS* a quality product .
> 
> When my better half wins that XLotto I may invest in my own personal 
> laboratory, and get someone who knows how to use it to test stuff for me . 
>  What we would like and what we can get are two entirely different things.
> 
> P.S.  As a general question for anyone else who may wish to contribute an 
> answer...Why do pH meters seemingly contaminate water?
> 
> N.
> 
> Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
> From: d...@deetroy.org
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:23:07 +
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> Same here Neville, I just use paper towel and all the grey comes off nicely 
> in second and I always have clear CS every time.  I forgot to ask about your 
> strange phenomena and how it turned out.  So it was never really resolved?  
> Cèst là vie!   Dee
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 18 Feb 2015, at 01:21, Neville  wrote:
> 
> It would
> 

RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Neville]

SOLVED...LOL.  Well I believe I've solved it anyway, and I only solved it this 
morning Dee.
Due to recent comments here regarding pH I thought I'd play around and test 
again with another batch, and within minutes the water turned milky...WHAT 
THE...???  I knew what was coming next, that dark spot in the centre of the 
bottom of the vessel the next day.
I dug deep into my memory bank and remembered I used a pH meter previously, but 
like an idiot I returned the test sample back into my brew water prior to 
starting the brew process - BIG mistake seemingly.
On contemplating events I came to the conclusion pH meters somehow contaminate 
water.  I dumped that entire batch down the sink, only about 1200ml, cleaned 
the vessel out with paper towel and started again using DW straight out of the 
bottle - perfect, clear and as it should be both during and upon cessation of 
the brew process.
I did however test the pH of the DW out of the bottle, and of course tipped 
that sample down the sink rather than returning it to the DW I intended to 
brew, I also tested pH in a batch of EIS that's been in storage for a while.  I 
did calibrate the El Cheapo EBay pH meter according to instructions initially, 
and then rinsed it several times with DW hoping everything was 'good to go'.
Now, I had some samples tested several years ago at an Industrial Complex 
laboratory, those EIS samples returned readings between 7.4 and 7.8, besides 
other results I wanted, in a clear, a yellow and an amber or tea coloured 
solution.
I had this mornings batch tested, and an older sample, plus the DW I used for 
this mornings batch.  They used some computer program and ancillary equipment 
for testing purposes.  I labelled them 'A' and 'B', 'B' being this mornings 
fresh batch, and just took the bottle of DW to them.
My DW test out of the bottle with meter for sample 'B', this mornings sample = 
6.7   Their test on same DW using their equipment = 6.7, all seems well.
I didn't test or document pH of DW in sample 'A' which was an old batch of EIS, 
but their test on that sample returned 6.8
Sample 'B', this mornings fresh batch returned 7.0, what it will be in a few 
weeks time I have no idea?
I realised this morning that the measuring cup, and the syringe, and the little 
circular thingy they inserted into the machine they used could have had 
*anything* in them prior to my tests being performed?  I also understood DW 
would/could vary in quality from batch to batch.  This can/could also affect pH 
readings.  Unless one is looking over "someones?" shoulder and ensuring 
everything is as clean and contaminant free as is possible there is not much 
point in testing for anything, anywhere?  All these facilities and the people 
working in them have no understanding our product, hence they would not be as 
pedantic and methodical with things as we would like them to be.
So, I'm back to square one in not trusting anything or anyone other than my own 
visual observations of my product, and my own determinations on same.  I have 
not been disappointed yet, and am satisfied with the quality of my product.
I think people can trip up with all the, let's say, "pedantics" of this stuff.  
I'm not a happy chappy anyway, I'll just stick to what I've been doing for 
years and leave the rest of it for someone else.  If it looks like a quality 
product, behaves like a quality product, remains visually like a quality 
product and is seemingly as efficacious as a quality product...Then it *IS* a 
quality product .
When my better half wins that XLotto I may invest in my own personal 
laboratory, and get someone who knows how to use it to test stuff for me .  
What we would like and what we can get are two entirely different things.
P.S.  As a general question for anyone else who may wish to contribute an 
answer...Why do pH meters seemingly contaminate water?
N.

Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
From: d...@deetroy.org
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:23:07 +
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Same here Neville, I just use paper towel and all the grey comes off nicely in 
second and I always have clear CS every time.  I forgot to ask about your 
strange phenomena and how it turned out.  So it was never really resolved?  
Cèst là vie!   Dee

Sent from my iPad
On 18 Feb 2015, at 01:21, Neville  wrote:




It would
  
  

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[mborgert]

Thank You Sandra information on the flat silver electrode
Mary
On Wed, 2/18/15, Sandra George  wrote:

 Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
 To: "Mike Devour - Silver List" 
 Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 9:13 AM
 
 Jason - I have been using
 flat electrodes for twelve plus years, and have not a
 problem with them, they clean easily with paper towel and
 sometimes soap and water depending upon the buildup - I use
 distilled water to rinse them prior to
 use.   Wrap them in felt to cutdown on air
 assault from polution and the sea.    If they have become
 pitted over the years then I cannot see any sign of this
 with a magnifying glass, they are perfect as the day I
 started using them 
 Hope this goes
 towards reducing your concerns.
 Sandee🐬
 Attitude is
 everything !!!
 Sandra George
 Colloidal Silver Products
 Eye
 Drops & Topical Gel
 aliveagai...@yahoo.com
 
 
 
 On 18
 Feb 2015, at 11:42, mborg...@att.net
 wrote:
 
 
 Jason,
 I just received a new
 Silver gen, my old one was 18 yrs old and worked perfectly,
 but my kids decided I needed a new one, so the new Silver
 gen has flat electrodes is this good? It was hard to talk to
 the maker of the product as he does not like to talk much so
 I know nothing about these flat electrodes.  
 Any information would be helpful.
 Thank You 
 Mary
 On Tue, 2/17/15, Neville 
 wrote:
 
 Subject: RE:
 CS>Electrode cleaning?
 To: "silver-list@eskimo.com"
 
 Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 6:46 PM
 
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 #yiv0707868960 Sorry
 Jason,
 don't know anything about flat electrodes.
  Praps I shouldn't have said anything. 
 You know the
 old saying, "Rather not
 say anything and let people
 think you're
 an idiot, than open your mouth and remove
 all doubt"...LOL.
 Thanks
 for your insight regarding
 pads.
 Well here's
 one hypothesis,
 the suspected poor quality DW used on that
 occasion, in combination with the stir bar
 spinning action,
 may have developed a
 situation whereby whilst in storage
 some
 silver was pulled to the centre where the stir bar
 spun?  Cross contamination?  I know silver is
 not
 magnetic, but who knows if other unknown
 contaminants in the
 DW may have combined to
 encourage that end result?  I
 don't
 know, perhaps a magnetic field was created, again
 with the combination of impurities in that
 particular batch
 of DW, created an
 opening/situation for some
 "reaction?" or agglomeration or
 "something?" to take place, and to
 take place
 *only* where the stir bar was
 situated?
 What confounded me was the fact
 that
 it not only occurred once, it occurred
 twice after filtering
 and cleaning that
 storage vessel out?
 Another of life's
 mysteries I
 guess.
 Cheers
 N.
 
 > Date:
 Tue, 17 Feb
 2015 17:50:02 -0800
 > From:
 ja...@eytonsearth.org
 > To:
 silver-list@eskimo.com
 > Subject: Re:
 CS>Electrode cleaning?
 >
 
 > Hi Neville:
 > 
 > I remember reading your initial post
 and
 being puzzled by it, but not 
 > having
 anything of value
 to contribute.
 > 
 > As
 far as scrub pads contaminating pure
 silver,
 since silver is way 
 > softer
 than steel, risk fo contamination is low unless
 you think
 
 > cleaning the
 silver is a sanding
 project.
 > 
 > You make
 my point.  I myself use a plastic scrubber for
 my 
 > straight/rounded electrodes, and
 have no
 problem.  The point of using an 
 > 
 abrasive is to eliminate
 or reduce the electrode
 degradation, which
 is a 
 > significant
 issue
 in my opinion, as far as it effects the brewing 
 > process.  You might be able to get
 away
 with using a paper towel to 
 > clean
 electrodes, but you
 also might be surprised at the amount of
 
 > jagged edges are actually created on
 the silver electrode in the 
 > standard
 "home
 brew" setup, over time.
 > 
 
 > Cleaning my Silvergen SG7
 electrodes
 is much more involved.  Luckily,
 
 > the
 degradation of the
 electrodes is very minimal due to the
 reverse 
 > polarity used and
 the rapid
 water circulation.  I have to use
 makeup 
 > removers, which are made from a
 dense
 cotton, similar in shape to Q-Tips.
 > 
 > Since these are flat
 electrodes, ***the
 silver oxide particles
 that do 
 > build
 up*** on
 the electrodes provides enough abrasion to
 reproduce a 
 > completely
 smooth surface
 on the electrodes, thanks to
 the perfect 
 > design of the electrode
 configuration.
 > 
 >
 ~Jason
 > 
 > 
 > 
 
     
    
  
 
 
 
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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Jason]

Hi Sandra:

That's great; my only point was to be absolutely certain that the 
electrodes remain pristine, because it will effect the quality of the 
end product.


My flat electrodes erode far less than the rounded ones I use with other 
EIS making devices.


~Jason


On 2/18/2015 9:13 AM, Sandra George wrote:

Jason - I have been using flat electrodes for twelve plus years, and have not a 
problem with them, they clean easily with paper towel and sometimes soap and 
water depending upon the buildup - I use distilled water to rinse them prior to 
use.   Wrap them in felt to cutdown on air assault from polution and the sea.   
 If they have become pitted over the years then I cannot see any sign of this 
with a magnifying glass, they are perfect as the day I started using them 
Hope this goes towards reducing your concerns.
Sandee🐬
Attitude is everything !!!
Sandra George
Colloidal Silver Products
Eye Drops & Topical Gel
aliveagai...@yahoo.com



On 18 Feb 2015, at 11:42, mborg...@att.net wrote:


Jason,
I just received a new Silver gen, my old one was 18 yrs old and worked 
perfectly, but my kids decided I needed a new one, so the new Silver gen has 
flat electrodes is this good? It was hard to talk to the maker of the product 
as he does not like to talk much so I know nothing about these flat electrodes.
Any information would be helpful.
Thank You
Mary
On Tue, 2/17/15, Neville  wrote:

Subject: RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 6:46 PM

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#yiv0707868960 Sorry
Jason, don't know anything about flat electrodes.
  Praps I shouldn't have said anything.  You know the
old saying, "Rather not say anything and let people
think you're an idiot, than open your mouth and remove
all doubt"...LOL.
Thanks for your insight regarding
pads.
Well here's
one hypothesis, the suspected poor quality DW used on that
occasion, in combination with the stir bar spinning action,
may have developed a situation whereby whilst in storage
some silver was pulled to the centre where the stir bar
spun?  Cross contamination?  I know silver is not
magnetic, but who knows if other unknown contaminants in the
DW may have combined to encourage that end result?  I
don't know, perhaps a magnetic field was created, again
with the combination of impurities in that particular batch
of DW, created an opening/situation for some
"reaction?" or agglomeration or
"something?" to take place, and to take place
*only* where the stir bar was situated?
What confounded me was the fact that
it not only occurred once, it occurred twice after filtering
and cleaning that storage vessel out?
Another of life's mysteries I
guess.
Cheers
N.


Date: Tue, 17 Feb

2015 17:50:02 -0800

From:

ja...@eytonsearth.org

To:

silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re:

CS>Electrode cleaning?


Hi Neville:

I remember reading your initial post and

being puzzled by it, but not

having

anything of value to contribute.


As far as scrub pads contaminating pure

silver, since silver is way

softer

than steel, risk fo contamination is low unless you think


cleaning the silver is a sanding

project.


You make

my point.  I myself use a plastic scrubber for my

straight/rounded electrodes, and have no

problem.  The point of using an



abrasive is to eliminate or reduce the electrode
degradation, which is a

significant

issue in my opinion, as far as it effects the brewing

process.  You might be able to get away

with using a paper towel to

clean

electrodes, but you also might be surprised at the amount of


jagged edges are actually created on

the silver electrode in the

standard

"home brew" setup, over time.





Cleaning my Silvergen SG7 electrodes

is much more involved.  Luckily,

the

degradation of the electrodes is very minimal due to the
reverse

polarity used and the rapid

water circulation.  I have to use makeup

removers, which are made from a dense

cotton, similar in shape to Q-Tips.


Since these are flat electrodes, ***the

silver oxide particles that do

build

up*** on the electrodes provides enough abrasion to
reproduce a

completely smooth surface

on the electrodes, thanks to the perfect

design of the electrode configuration.

~Jason









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RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[david moskovits]

Mary,I don't have a unit yet and I would consider buying your old silver gen.  
Thanks  > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:42:16 -0800> From: mborg...@att.net> 
Subject: RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?> To: silver-list@eskimo.com> > > Jason,> I 
just received a new Silver gen, my old one was 18 yrs old and worked perfectly, 
but my kids decided I needed a new one, so the new Silver gen has flat 
electrodes is this good? It was hard to talk to the maker of the product as he 
does not like to talk much so I know nothing about these flat electrodes.  > 
Any information would be helpful.> Thank You > 
Mary> On Tue, 2/17/15, Neville 
 wrote:> >  Subject: RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?>  To: 
"silver-list@eskimo.com" >  Date: Tuesday, February 17, 
2015, 6:46 PM>  >  #yiv0707868960>  #yiv0707868960 -->  .yiv0707868960hmmessage 
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know anything about flat electrodes.>   Praps I shouldn't have said anything.  
You know the>  old saying, "Rather not say anything and let people>  think 
you're an idiot, than open your mouth and remove>  all doubt"...LOL.>  Thanks 
for your insight regarding>  pads.>  Well here's>  one hypothesis, the 
suspected poor quality DW used on that>  occasion, in combination with the stir 
bar spinning action,>  may have developed a situation whereby whilst in 
storage>  some silver was pulled to the centre where the stir bar>  spun?  
Cross contamination?  I know silver is not>  magnetic, but who knows if other 
unknown contaminants in the>  DW may have combined to encourage that end 
result?  I>  don't know, perhaps a magnetic field was created, again>  with the 
combination of impurities in that particular batch>  of DW, created an 
opening/situation for some>  "reaction?" or agglomeration or>  "something?" to 
take place, and to take place>  *only* where the stir bar was situated?>  What 
confounded me was the fact that>  it not only occurred once, it occurred twice 
after filtering>  and cleaning that storage vessel out?>  Another of life's 
mysteries I>  guess.>  Cheers>  N.>  >  > Date: Tue, 17 Feb>  2015 17:50:02 
-0800>  > From:>  ja...@eytonsearth.org>  > To:>  silver-list@eskimo.com>  > 
Subject: Re:>  CS>Electrode cleaning?>  > >  > Hi Neville:>  > >  > I remember 
reading your initial post and>  being puzzled by it, but not >  > having>  
anything of value to contribute.>  > >  > As far as scrub pads contaminating 
pure>  silver, since silver is way >  > softer>  than steel, risk fo 
contamination is low unless you think>  >  > cleaning the silver is a sanding>  
project.>  > >  > You make>  my point.  I myself use a plastic scrubber for my 
>  > straight/rounded electrodes, and have no>  problem.  The point of using an 
>  >>  abrasive is to eliminate or reduce the electrode>  degradation, which is 
a >  > significant>  issue in my opinion, as far as it effects the brewing >  > 
process.  You might be able to get away>  with using a paper towel to >  > 
clean>  electrodes, but you also might be surprised at the amount of>  >  > 
jagged edges are actually created on>  the silver electrode in the >  > 
standard>  "home brew" setup, over time.>  >>  >  > Cleaning my Silvergen SG7 
electrodes>  is much more involved.  Luckily, >  > the>  degradation of the 
electrodes is very minimal due to the>  reverse >  > polarity used and the 
rapid>  water circulation.  I have to use makeup >  > removers, which are made 
from a dense>  cotton, similar in shape to Q-Tips.>  > >  > Since these are 
flat electrodes, ***the>  silver oxide particles that do >  > build>  up*** on 
the electrodes provides enough abrasion to>  reproduce a >  > completely smooth 
surface>  on the electrodes, thanks to the perfect >  > design of the electrode 
configuration.>  > >  > ~Jason>  > >  > >  > >  >   
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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Sandra George]

Jason - I have been using flat electrodes for twelve plus years, and have not a 
problem with them, they clean easily with paper towel and sometimes soap and 
water depending upon the buildup - I use distilled water to rinse them prior to 
use.   Wrap them in felt to cutdown on air assault from polution and the sea.   
 If they have become pitted over the years then I cannot see any sign of this 
with a magnifying glass, they are perfect as the day I started using them 
Hope this goes towards reducing your concerns.
Sandee🐬
Attitude is everything !!!
Sandra George
Colloidal Silver Products
Eye Drops & Topical Gel
aliveagai...@yahoo.com



On 18 Feb 2015, at 11:42, mborg...@att.net wrote:


Jason,
I just received a new Silver gen, my old one was 18 yrs old and worked 
perfectly, but my kids decided I needed a new one, so the new Silver gen has 
flat electrodes is this good? It was hard to talk to the maker of the product 
as he does not like to talk much so I know nothing about these flat electrodes. 
 
Any information would be helpful.
Thank You 
Mary
On Tue, 2/17/15, Neville  wrote:

Subject: RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 6:46 PM

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#yiv0707868960 Sorry
Jason, don't know anything about flat electrodes.
 Praps I shouldn't have said anything.  You know the
old saying, "Rather not say anything and let people
think you're an idiot, than open your mouth and remove
all doubt"...LOL.
Thanks for your insight regarding
pads.
Well here's
one hypothesis, the suspected poor quality DW used on that
occasion, in combination with the stir bar spinning action,
may have developed a situation whereby whilst in storage
some silver was pulled to the centre where the stir bar
spun?  Cross contamination?  I know silver is not
magnetic, but who knows if other unknown contaminants in the
DW may have combined to encourage that end result?  I
don't know, perhaps a magnetic field was created, again
with the combination of impurities in that particular batch
of DW, created an opening/situation for some
"reaction?" or agglomeration or
"something?" to take place, and to take place
*only* where the stir bar was situated?
What confounded me was the fact that
it not only occurred once, it occurred twice after filtering
and cleaning that storage vessel out?
Another of life's mysteries I
guess.
Cheers
N.

> Date: Tue, 17 Feb
2015 17:50:02 -0800
> From:
ja...@eytonsearth.org
> To:
silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re:
CS>Electrode cleaning?
> 
> Hi Neville:
> 
> I remember reading your initial post and
being puzzled by it, but not 
> having
anything of value to contribute.
> 
> As far as scrub pads contaminating pure
silver, since silver is way 
> softer
than steel, risk fo contamination is low unless you think

> cleaning the silver is a sanding
project.
> 
> You make
my point.  I myself use a plastic scrubber for my 
> straight/rounded electrodes, and have no
problem.  The point of using an 
> 
abrasive is to eliminate or reduce the electrode
degradation, which is a 
> significant
issue in my opinion, as far as it effects the brewing 
> process.  You might be able to get away
with using a paper towel to 
> clean
electrodes, but you also might be surprised at the amount of

> jagged edges are actually created on
the silver electrode in the 
> standard
"home brew" setup, over time.
> 

> Cleaning my Silvergen SG7 electrodes
is much more involved.  Luckily, 
> the
degradation of the electrodes is very minimal due to the
reverse 
> polarity used and the rapid
water circulation.  I have to use makeup 
> removers, which are made from a dense
cotton, similar in shape to Q-Tips.
> 
> Since these are flat electrodes, ***the
silver oxide particles that do 
> build
up*** on the electrodes provides enough abrasion to
reproduce a 
> completely smooth surface
on the electrodes, thanks to the perfect 
> design of the electrode configuration.
> 
> ~Jason
> 
> 
> 

 



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RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[mborgert]

Jason,
I just received a new Silver gen, my old one was 18 yrs old and worked 
perfectly, but my kids decided I needed a new one, so the new Silver gen has 
flat electrodes is this good? It was hard to talk to the maker of the product 
as he does not like to talk much so I know nothing about these flat electrodes. 
 
Any information would be helpful.
Thank You 
Mary
On Tue, 2/17/15, Neville  wrote:

 Subject: RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?
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 Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 6:46 PM
 
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 #yiv0707868960 Sorry
 Jason, don't know anything about flat electrodes.
  Praps I shouldn't have said anything.  You know the
 old saying, "Rather not say anything and let people
 think you're an idiot, than open your mouth and remove
 all doubt"...LOL.
 Thanks for your insight regarding
 pads.
 Well here's
 one hypothesis, the suspected poor quality DW used on that
 occasion, in combination with the stir bar spinning action,
 may have developed a situation whereby whilst in storage
 some silver was pulled to the centre where the stir bar
 spun?  Cross contamination?  I know silver is not
 magnetic, but who knows if other unknown contaminants in the
 DW may have combined to encourage that end result?  I
 don't know, perhaps a magnetic field was created, again
 with the combination of impurities in that particular batch
 of DW, created an opening/situation for some
 "reaction?" or agglomeration or
 "something?" to take place, and to take place
 *only* where the stir bar was situated?
 What confounded me was the fact that
 it not only occurred once, it occurred twice after filtering
 and cleaning that storage vessel out?
 Another of life's mysteries I
 guess.
 Cheers
 N.
 
 > Date: Tue, 17 Feb
 2015 17:50:02 -0800
 > From:
 ja...@eytonsearth.org
 > To:
 silver-list@eskimo.com
 > Subject: Re:
 CS>Electrode cleaning?
 > 
 > Hi Neville:
 > 
 > I remember reading your initial post and
 being puzzled by it, but not 
 > having
 anything of value to contribute.
 > 
 > As far as scrub pads contaminating pure
 silver, since silver is way 
 > softer
 than steel, risk fo contamination is low unless you think
 
 > cleaning the silver is a sanding
 project.
 > 
 > You make
 my point.  I myself use a plastic scrubber for my 
 > straight/rounded electrodes, and have no
 problem.  The point of using an 
 >
 abrasive is to eliminate or reduce the electrode
 degradation, which is a 
 > significant
 issue in my opinion, as far as it effects the brewing 
 > process.  You might be able to get away
 with using a paper towel to 
 > clean
 electrodes, but you also might be surprised at the amount of
 
 > jagged edges are actually created on
 the silver electrode in the 
 > standard
 "home brew" setup, over time.
 >
 
 > Cleaning my Silvergen SG7 electrodes
 is much more involved.  Luckily, 
 > the
 degradation of the electrodes is very minimal due to the
 reverse 
 > polarity used and the rapid
 water circulation.  I have to use makeup 
 > removers, which are made from a dense
 cotton, similar in shape to Q-Tips.
 > 
 > Since these are flat electrodes, ***the
 silver oxide particles that do 
 > build
 up*** on the electrodes provides enough abrasion to
 reproduce a 
 > completely smooth surface
 on the electrodes, thanks to the perfect 
 > design of the electrode configuration.
 > 
 > ~Jason
 > 
 > 
 > 
 
 



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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Dee]

Same here Neville, I just use paper towel and all the grey comes off nicely in 
second and I always have clear CS every time.  I forgot to ask about your 
strange phenomena and how it turned out.  So it was never really resolved?  
Cèst là vie!   Dee

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> On 18 Feb 2015, at 01:21, Neville  wrote:
> 
> It would seem everything old becomes new again, trying to re-invent the 
> wheel.  Scrub pads vs paper towel vs whatever else one may choose in cleaning 
> their electrodes, I know my preference, and it isn't steel or plastic scrub 
> pads, not that it really matters a hoot in the grand scheme of things on the 
> home front, it's a kitchen they are producing this stuff in, not a sterile 
> climate controlled laboratory environment. {opinion}
> 
> OK, paper towel may have some salt residue or whatever else as a result of 
> the manufacturing process, but then scrub pads, and I'll assume stainless 
> steel pads for one example, contains any number of things, chromium, nickel 
> etc etc.  There is no way I will accept that in the electrode scrubbing 
> process there will not be some contaminants ground into the silver electrode, 
> besides the excessive abrasive effect on that electrode from scrubbing.  
> Similarly with the "plastic?" scrub pads, what contaminants are being ground 
> into the electrodes from the plastic during that scrubbing process, besides 
> the added surface imperfections created on those electrodes from scrubbing?  
> And I don't believe any of that can be eliminated simply by washing 
> electrodes in DW?  Electrodes should be kept as smooth and imperfection free 
> as possible I would have thought.  Even after probably the first batch 
> produced using brand new electrodes those electrodes will not be smooth 
> anymore, why would anyone want to compound that?
> 
> Where, and for what purpose are most producing their EIS?  I thought it was 
> predominantly the home kitchen LVDC production method used by most here, and 
> for general use by all and sundry for all and sundry health purposes?  If 
> not, then there's one reason new folk don't join or stick around long maybe, 
> it goes over their heads as simple home producers?  I don't have a need to 
> know the complexities in the chemistry involved, all I want/need to know is 
> the basics and I can take it from there by research to my satisfaction.
> 
> As for Jasons comment about nobody responding or stagnation or new ideas or 
> whatever, I posted something several months ago about fall out.  I filtered 
> that batch and within days more fall out was observed, I filtered it a second 
> time and again *still* got some plating or fall out on the bottom of my 
> storage vessel a day or three later...???  And I think the "fall out" or 
> plate out was in the *centre* of the vessel.  No answers were forthcoming 
> from memory, but my memory isn't what it once was either so I guess someone 
> will put me right on that.  I put it down to a bad batch of DW, among other 
> "unknowns?" and NO, I don't bother testing the DW prior to production any 
> more, did plenty of that over a time before and don't see a need to do it for 
> an eternity for my purposes.  As well as it perhaps being a bad batch of DW 
> from manufacture I reckon the stir bar action had something to do with it, 
> {strange forces in nature or physics of which I fail to comprehend} mainly 
> because the fallout from memory was only in the *centre* of the vessel as 
> opposed to a general spread?  Strange goings on indeed?  
> 
> So there's something new of which I have never heard of or observed before?  
> This had never happened before in over 10 years of my involvement with this 
> stuff, and has not been repeated since?  I'm curious to know what was going 
> on at *that* time? 
> 
> Perhaps you could help me out here with this one Jason?
> 
> Back to the pads, perhaps someone can tell me then why scrubbing pads 
> would/should be considered preferable to paper towel, or even toilet paper 
> for that matter?  I can live with the minuscule amount of salt residue from 
> paper, but I won't live with the metals in stainless steel or poly-whatever 
> it's called in plastic.
> 
> N.
> 
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:02:37 -0800
> > From: ja...@eytonsearth.org
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>Forum
> > 
> > Hi Mary:
> > 
> > There is really no need to do anything but rinse whatever scrub pad you 
> > are using with distilled water.
> > 
> > Kind Regards,
> > 
> > Jason
> > 
> > On 2/17/2015 6:53 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote:
> > >
> > > Jason I have always wondered about cleaning the electrodes I thought
> > > that you could clean with paper towels but I wondered about residue.
> > > So how do you go about cleaning them with steel wool??? Do you pull
> > > off part of the steel wool and discard or just use the whole piece?
> > > How do you clean the steel wool?
> > > Mary On Mon, 2/16/15,
> > > Jason  wrote

RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Neville]

I'm with you Opa, I have zero scientific knowledge, just a mug punter me .

What do I use to clean my electrodes?  Paper towel, and if I run out of that at 
any time I use toilet paper, even a shirt ripped up for rags.  If my product 
remains as it should to my satisfaction, and stays that way *unchanged* after 
some considerable time in storage, I am not unduly fussed about what I use 
really.  I can't expect to achieve "perfection" in my kitchen, some compromises 
have to be made or accepted is how I see it.  There are important basic rights 
and wrongs with producing this stuff, anything else is just 'stocking filler' 
for me, the basics are the most important thing for me as a home producer.
PPM...That would be a matter of choice for the individual I guess.  I run mine 
up to around 18-21 on a meter, knowing that when it reaches a point of relative 
stability whilst in storage it would have dropped around 5ppm, {rough figures} 
but the *total* silver content would be higher than that anyway.  For example, 
if mine drops from 18 down to 12-15 or whatever I know the *total* silver 
content is higher than that, it's just the ion/particle ratio that has changed 
more while in storage which has resulted in that drop in ppm.  Meters only 
indicate ion content, not particle content, so the other 5ppm of silver didn't 
go anywhere, it's still there.  Even though I run mine up to that 18-21 I know 
there is more silver content than the meter indicated.  Of course you probly 
already know this anyway .
As for over 5ppm being a "waste", I don't know if I would necessarily say that. 
 For example, if I were administering for the onset of a suspected health issue 
I would increase that way above 5ppm, {dependant on the suspected health issue 
of course, it may require medical intervention for example}, mainly to hit the 
suspected health issue hard and fast until recovery is evident before backing 
off to a lower ppm, or the lower ppm used as a daily maintenance thing, as I 
do.  Although having just said that, my daily intake would be around the 12-15 
ppm as I said earlier, but only an ounce or 30-50ml each morning.  For a 
suspected health issue I would normally make, take or administer a fresh 8 
ounce or 250-300ml batch, even a couple of times a day to ensure it's ingested 
within 12-24 hours, {I normally brew about 1200ml at a time}, I can maximise 
the Ag+ ion intake before the solution has had time to form more particles.
5ppm may be OK for topical use in preventing bacteria or such from entering an 
open wound or assist in healing sunburn prior to skin peeling, but I personally 
believe a higher ppm is required for internal use in treating a suspected 
"something?".  It surprises me to hear so many people in the public domain 
insist that the higher ionic solution should NOT be taken internally...Hogwash 
I say, quite the opposite for me, I personally would never consider ingesting 
the so called "true colloidal" product in *any* amount or *any* ppm.
Disclaimer, to whomever it may concern...Don't forget that magic word 
'opinion', this is all my personal opinion only .
N.

From: ozarko...@att.net
Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:08:42 -0600
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Thanks for this post Neville. It helps me feel more comfortable with what 
I'mdoing. I have little scientific experience, and your down-to-earth 
explanationIs appreciated. Seems to me I read on here somewhere that anything 
above5ppm is a waste anyway.
I don't have the know how, equipment or funds to get into the formulas andhigh 
tech side of all this. I am one doing it in the kitchen.
Bye the way, what Do you use to clean your anodes?Opa
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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Jason]

Hi Neville:

Nah, it's always good to discuss things.  I've been an idiot more times 
than I can count. :o)


...in fact, I'm making my own "mess-o-silver" tonight for an experiment 
I'm doing; first time I've used rounded electrodes in quite awhile, and 
after six hours of brewing I'm cringing at the state of the anode. 
Removed them both, wiped them down, cringed again at the silver flake 
deposits left on top of the water...  I'm pushing for as close to 24 PPM 
ionic silver as I can get (agglomeration will start quickly after 
finishing); the end product will be deeply golden with a lot of sparklies.


I'll decant the EIS leaving the top and bottom 1/4 or so alone, and then 
I'll add just a touch of 35% H2O2, shake well and set for about ten 
minutes, then take what will most likely be a grey/black mess-o-silver 
and mix it 2:1 silver to clay to make a clay gel.  I'll let oxidation 
set in, and let the clay set and reduce down just a touch via evaporation...


...then I'll drink 1 tbs of sodium bicarbonate water on an empty stomach 
(neutralize any stomach acid), and take a 1 tbs scoop of the clay gel 
and wash it down while still in gel state.  The alkaline clay should, 
theoretically, be at least partially bile resistant; end result is the 
possibility of carrying "more" bioactive EIS directly into the upper and 
lower digestive tract.


Afterwards, I'll most likely shrug to myself and say "well, that was 
interesting."


...and I'll end up with about two gallons of this clay gel, which I'll 
label, seal up in a glass container, and store away in the event I ever 
run across a serious infection in the mid to lower digestive tract, or 
even an external infection.


I might even try a similar experiment with micronized zeolite, who knows.

~Jason


On 2/17/2015 6:46 PM, Neville wrote:

Sorry Jason, don't know anything about flat electrodes.  Praps I
shouldn't have said anything.  You know the old saying, "Rather not say
anything and let people think you're an idiot, than open your mouth and
remove all doubt"...LOL.

Thanks for your insight regarding pads.

Well here's one hypothesis, the suspected poor quality DW used on that
occasion, in combination with the stir bar spinning action, may have
developed a situation whereby whilst in storage some silver was pulled
to the centre where the stir bar spun?  Cross contamination?  I know
silver is not magnetic, but who knows if other unknown contaminants in
the DW may have combined to encourage that end result?  I don't know,
perhaps a magnetic field was created, again with the combination of
impurities in that particular batch of DW, created an opening/situation
for some "reaction?" or agglomeration or "something?" to take place, and
to take place *only* where the stir bar was situated?

What confounded me was the fact that it not only occurred once, it
occurred twice after filtering and cleaning that storage vessel out?

Another of life's mysteries I guess.

Cheers

N.

 > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:50:02 -0800
 > From: ja...@eytonsearth.org
 > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 > Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
 >
 > Hi Neville:
 >
 > I remember reading your initial post and being puzzled by it, but not
 > having anything of value to contribute.
 >
 > As far as scrub pads contaminating pure silver, since silver is way
 > softer than steel, risk fo contamination is low unless you think
 > cleaning the silver is a sanding project.
 >
 > You make my point. I myself use a plastic scrubber for my
 > straight/rounded electrodes, and have no problem. The point of using an
 > abrasive is to eliminate or reduce the electrode degradation, which is a
 > significant issue in my opinion, as far as it effects the brewing
 > process. You might be able to get away with using a paper towel to
 > clean electrodes, but you also might be surprised at the amount of
 > jagged edges are actually created on the silver electrode in the
 > standard "home brew" setup, over time.
 >
 > Cleaning my Silvergen SG7 electrodes is much more involved. Luckily,
 > the degradation of the electrodes is very minimal due to the reverse
 > polarity used and the rapid water circulation. I have to use makeup
 > removers, which are made from a dense cotton, similar in shape to Q-Tips.
 >
 > Since these are flat electrodes, ***the silver oxide particles that do
 > build up*** on the electrodes provides enough abrasion to reproduce a
 > completely smooth surface on the electrodes, thanks to the perfect
 > design of the electrode configuration.
 >
 > ~Jason
 >
 >
 >




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RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Neville]

Sorry Jason, don't know anything about flat electrodes.  Praps I shouldn't have 
said anything.  You know the old saying, "Rather not say anything and let 
people think you're an idiot, than open your mouth and remove all doubt"...LOL.
Thanks for your insight regarding pads.
Well here's one hypothesis, the suspected poor quality DW used on that 
occasion, in combination with the stir bar spinning action, may have developed 
a situation whereby whilst in storage some silver was pulled to the centre 
where the stir bar spun?  Cross contamination?  I know silver is not magnetic, 
but who knows if other unknown contaminants in the DW may have combined to 
encourage that end result?  I don't know, perhaps a magnetic field was created, 
again with the combination of impurities in that particular batch of DW, 
created an opening/situation for some "reaction?" or agglomeration or 
"something?" to take place, and to take place *only* where the stir bar was 
situated?
What confounded me was the fact that it not only occurred once, it occurred 
twice after filtering and cleaning that storage vessel out?
Another of life's mysteries I guess.
Cheers
N.

> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:50:02 -0800
> From: ja...@eytonsearth.org
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
> 
> Hi Neville:
> 
> I remember reading your initial post and being puzzled by it, but not 
> having anything of value to contribute.
> 
> As far as scrub pads contaminating pure silver, since silver is way 
> softer than steel, risk fo contamination is low unless you think 
> cleaning the silver is a sanding project.
> 
> You make my point.  I myself use a plastic scrubber for my 
> straight/rounded electrodes, and have no problem.  The point of using an 
> abrasive is to eliminate or reduce the electrode degradation, which is a 
> significant issue in my opinion, as far as it effects the brewing 
> process.  You might be able to get away with using a paper towel to 
> clean electrodes, but you also might be surprised at the amount of 
> jagged edges are actually created on the silver electrode in the 
> standard "home brew" setup, over time.
> 
> Cleaning my Silvergen SG7 electrodes is much more involved.  Luckily, 
> the degradation of the electrodes is very minimal due to the reverse 
> polarity used and the rapid water circulation.  I have to use makeup 
> removers, which are made from a dense cotton, similar in shape to Q-Tips.
> 
> Since these are flat electrodes, ***the silver oxide particles that do 
> build up*** on the electrodes provides enough abrasion to reproduce a 
> completely smooth surface on the electrodes, thanks to the perfect 
> design of the electrode configuration.
> 
> ~Jason
> 
> 
> 

  

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Reece Maxey]

Thanks for this post Neville. It helps me feel more comfortable with what I'm
doing. I have little scientific experience, and your down-to-earth explanation
Is appreciated. Seems to me I read on here somewhere that anything above
5ppm is a waste anyway.

I don't have the know how, equipment or funds to get into the formulas and
high tech side of all this. I am one doing it in the kitchen.

Bye the way, what Do you use to clean your anodes?
Opa

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Neville  wrote:
> 
> It would seem everything old becomes new again, trying to re-invent the 
> wheel.  Scrub pads vs paper towel vs whatever else one may choose in cleaning 
> their electrodes, I know my preference, and it isn't steel or plastic scrub 
> pads, not that it really matters a hoot in the grand scheme of things on the 
> home front, it's a kitchen they are producing this stuff in, not a sterile 
> climate controlled laboratory environment. {opinion}
> 
> OK, paper towel may have some salt residue or whatever else as a result of 
> the manufacturing process, but then scrub pads, and I'll assume stainless 
> steel pads for one example, contains any number of things, chromium, nickel 
> etc etc.  There is no way I will accept that in the electrode scrubbing 
> process there will not be some contaminants ground into the silver electrode, 
> besides the excessive abrasive effect on that electrode from scrubbing.  
> Similarly with the "plastic?" scrub pads, what contaminants are being ground 
> into the electrodes from the plastic during that scrubbing process, besides 
> the added surface imperfections created on those electrodes from scrubbing?  
> And I don't believe any of that can be eliminated simply by washing 
> electrodes in DW?  Electrodes should be kept as smooth and imperfection free 
> as possible I would have thought.  Even after probably the first batch 
> produced using brand new electrodes those electrodes will not be smooth 
> anymore, why would anyone want to compound that?
> 
> Where, and for what purpose are most producing their EIS?  I thought it was 
> predominantly the home kitchen LVDC production method used by most here, and 
> for general use by all and sundry for all and sundry health purposes?  If 
> not, then there's one reason new folk don't join or stick around long maybe, 
> it goes over their heads as simple home producers?  I don't have a need to 
> know the complexities in the chemistry involved, all I want/need to know is 
> the basics and I can take it from there by research to my satisfaction.
> 
> As for Jasons comment about nobody responding or stagnation or new ideas or 
> whatever, I posted something several months ago about fall out.  I filtered 
> that batch and within days more fall out was observed, I filtered it a second 
> time and again *still* got some plating or fall out on the bottom of my 
> storage vessel a day or three later...???  And I think the "fall out" or 
> plate out was in the *centre* of the vessel.  No answers were forthcoming 
> from memory, but my memory isn't what it once was either so I guess someone 
> will put me right on that.  I put it down to a bad batch of DW, among other 
> "unknowns?" and NO, I don't bother testing the DW prior to production any 
> more, did plenty of that over a time before and don't see a need to do it for 
> an eternity for my purposes.  As well as it perhaps being a bad batch of DW 
> from manufacture I reckon the stir bar action had something to do with it, 
> {strange forces in nature or physics of which I fail to comprehend} mainly 
> because the fallout from memory was only in the *centre* of the vessel as 
> opposed to a general spread?  Strange goings on indeed?  
> 
> So there's something new of which I have never heard of or observed before?  
> This had never happened before in over 10 years of my involvement with this 
> stuff, and has not been repeated since?  I'm curious to know what was going 
> on at *that* time? 
> 
> Perhaps you could help me out here with this one Jason?
> 
> Back to the pads, perhaps someone can tell me then why scrubbing pads 
> would/should be considered preferable to paper towel, or even toilet paper 
> for that matter?  I can live with the minuscule amount of salt residue from 
> paper, but I won't live with the metals in stainless steel or poly-whatever 
> it's called in plastic.
> 
> N.
> 
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:02:37 -0800
> > From: ja...@eytonsearth.org
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>Forum
> > 
> > Hi Mary:
> > 
> > There is really no need to do anything but rinse whatever scrub pad you 
> > are using with distilled water.
> > 
> > Kind Regards,
> > 
> > Jason
> > 
> > On 2/17/2015 6:53 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote:
> > >
> > > Jason I have always wondered about cleaning the electrodes I thought
> > > that you could clean with paper towels but I wondered about residue.
> > > So how do you go about cleaning them with steel wool??? Do you pull
> >

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Jason]

Hi Neville:

I remember reading your initial post and being puzzled by it, but not 
having anything of value to contribute.


As far as scrub pads contaminating pure silver, since silver is way 
softer than steel, risk fo contamination is low unless you think 
cleaning the silver is a sanding project.


You make my point.  I myself use a plastic scrubber for my 
straight/rounded electrodes, and have no problem.  The point of using an 
abrasive is to eliminate or reduce the electrode degradation, which is a 
significant issue in my opinion, as far as it effects the brewing 
process.  You might be able to get away with using a paper towel to 
clean electrodes, but you also might be surprised at the amount of 
jagged edges are actually created on the silver electrode in the 
standard "home brew" setup, over time.


Cleaning my Silvergen SG7 electrodes is much more involved.  Luckily, 
the degradation of the electrodes is very minimal due to the reverse 
polarity used and the rapid water circulation.  I have to use makeup 
removers, which are made from a dense cotton, similar in shape to Q-Tips.


Since these are flat electrodes, ***the silver oxide particles that do 
build up*** on the electrodes provides enough abrasion to reproduce a 
completely smooth surface on the electrodes, thanks to the perfect 
design of the electrode configuration.


~Jason




On 2/17/2015 5:21 PM, Neville wrote:

It would seem everything old becomes new again, trying to re-invent the
wheel.  Scrub pads vs paper towel vs whatever else one may choose in
cleaning their electrodes, I know my preference, and it isn't steel or
plastic scrub pads, not that it really matters a hoot in the grand
scheme of things on the home front, it's a kitchen they are producing
this stuff in, not a sterile climate controlled laboratory environment.
{opinion}

OK, paper towel may have some salt residue or whatever else as a result
of the manufacturing process, but then scrub pads, and I'll assume
stainless steel pads for one example, contains any number of things,
chromium, nickel etc etc.  There is no way I will accept that in the
electrode scrubbing process there will not be some contaminants ground
into the silver electrode, besides the excessive abrasive effect on that
electrode from scrubbing.  Similarly with the "plastic?" scrub pads,
what contaminants are being ground into the electrodes from the plastic
during that scrubbing process, besides the added surface imperfections
created on those electrodes from scrubbing?  And I don't believe any of
that can be eliminated simply by washing electrodes in DW?  Electrodes
should be kept as smooth and imperfection free as possible I would have
thought.  Even after probably the first batch produced using brand new
electrodes those electrodes will not be smooth anymore, why would anyone
want to compound that?

Where, and for what purpose are most producing their EIS?  I thought it
was predominantly the home kitchen LVDC production method used by most
here, and for general use by all and sundry for all and sundry health
purposes?  If not, then there's one reason new folk don't join or stick
around long maybe, it goes over their heads as simple home producers?  I
don't have a need to know the complexities in the chemistry involved,
all I want/need to know is the basics and I can take it from there by
research to my satisfaction.

As for Jasons comment about nobody responding or stagnation or new ideas
or whatever, I posted something several months ago about fall out.  I
filtered that batch and within days more fall out was observed, I
filtered it a second time and again *still* got some plating or fall out
on the bottom of my storage vessel a day or three later...???  And I
think the "fall out" or plate out was in the *centre* of the vessel.  No
answers were forthcoming from memory, but my memory isn't what it once
was either so I guess someone will put me right on that.  I put it down
to a bad batch of DW, among other "unknowns?" and NO, I don't bother
testing the DW prior to production any more, did plenty of that over a
time before and don't see a need to do it for an eternity for my
purposes.  As well as it perhaps being a bad batch of DW from
manufacture I reckon the stir bar action had something to do with it,
{strange forces in nature or physics of which I fail to comprehend}
mainly because the fallout from memory was only in the *centre* of the
vessel as opposed to a general spread?  Strange goings on indeed?

So there's something new of which I have never heard of or observed
before?  This had never happened before in over 10 years of my
involvement with this stuff, and has not been repeated since?  I'm
curious to know what was going on at *that* time?

Perhaps you could help me out here with this one Jason?

Back to the pads, perhaps someone can tell me then why scrubbing pads
would/should be considered preferable to paper towel, or even toilet
paper for that matter?  I can live with the minuscule a

RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Neville]

It would seem everything old becomes new again, trying to re-invent the wheel.  
Scrub pads vs paper towel vs whatever else one may choose in cleaning their 
electrodes, I know my preference, and it isn't steel or plastic scrub pads, not 
that it really matters a hoot in the grand scheme of things on the home front, 
it's a kitchen they are producing this stuff in, not a sterile climate 
controlled laboratory environment. {opinion}
OK, paper towel may have some salt residue or whatever else as a result of the 
manufacturing process, but then scrub pads, and I'll assume stainless steel 
pads for one example, contains any number of things, chromium, nickel etc etc.  
There is no way I will accept that in the electrode scrubbing process there 
will not be some contaminants ground into the silver electrode, besides the 
excessive abrasive effect on that electrode from scrubbing.  Similarly with the 
"plastic?" scrub pads, what contaminants are being ground into the electrodes 
from the plastic during that scrubbing process, besides the added surface 
imperfections created on those electrodes from scrubbing?  And I don't believe 
any of that can be eliminated simply by washing electrodes in DW?  Electrodes 
should be kept as smooth and imperfection free as possible I would have 
thought.  Even after probably the first batch produced using brand new 
electrodes those electrodes will not be smooth anymore, why would anyone want 
to compound that?
Where, and for what purpose are most producing their EIS?  I thought it was 
predominantly the home kitchen LVDC production method used by most here, and 
for general use by all and sundry for all and sundry health purposes?  If not, 
then there's one reason new folk don't join or stick around long maybe, it goes 
over their heads as simple home producers?  I don't have a need to know the 
complexities in the chemistry involved, all I want/need to know is the basics 
and I can take it from there by research to my satisfaction.
As for Jasons comment about nobody responding or stagnation or new ideas or 
whatever, I posted something several months ago about fall out.  I filtered 
that batch and within days more fall out was observed, I filtered it a second 
time and again *still* got some plating or fall out on the bottom of my storage 
vessel a day or three later...???  And I think the "fall out" or plate out was 
in the *centre* of the vessel.  No answers were forthcoming from memory, but my 
memory isn't what it once was either so I guess someone will put me right on 
that.  I put it down to a bad batch of DW, among other "unknowns?" and NO, I 
don't bother testing the DW prior to production any more, did plenty of that 
over a time before and don't see a need to do it for an eternity for my 
purposes.  As well as it perhaps being a bad batch of DW from manufacture I 
reckon the stir bar action had something to do with it, {strange forces in 
nature or physics of which I fail to comprehend} mainly because the fallout 
from memory was only in the *centre* of the vessel as opposed to a general 
spread?  Strange goings on indeed?  
So there's something new of which I have never heard of or observed before?  
This had never happened before in over 10 years of my involvement with this 
stuff, and has not been repeated since?  I'm curious to know what was going on 
at *that* time? 
Perhaps you could help me out here with this one Jason?
Back to the pads, perhaps someone can tell me then why scrubbing pads 
would/should be considered preferable to paper towel, or even toilet paper for 
that matter?  I can live with the minuscule amount of salt residue from paper, 
but I won't live with the metals in stainless steel or poly-whatever it's 
called in plastic.
N.

> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:02:37 -0800
> From: ja...@eytonsearth.org
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Forum
> 
> Hi Mary:
> 
> There is really no need to do anything but rinse whatever scrub pad you 
> are using with distilled water.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Jason
> 
> On 2/17/2015 6:53 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote:
> >
> > Jason I have always wondered about cleaning the electrodes I thought
> > that you could clean with paper towels but I wondered about residue.
> > So how do you go about cleaning them with steel wool??? Do you pull
> > off part of the steel wool and discard or just use the whole piece?
> > How do you clean the steel wool?
> > Mary On Mon, 2/16/15,
> > Jason  wrote:

  

RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Neville Munn]

Oh, Thanks to all who responded to my little quiz .
I'm not suggesting *not* to use paper towel Pat, it's what I use all the time.  
I mean for those of us who do use paper towel, one has to use something, and I 
reckon paper towel is about the best thing I can think of.
N.

Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:44:23 -0700
From: pattycake29...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com


6. Only between each batch produced
I have the Colloid Master and usually have some stuff in the bottom at the end. 
 I usually set it at 5.5 or 6.  I wipe the silver rods with paper towels, but 
after reading, I'll try wiping with a clean towel.
Pat

From: Neville Munn 
 To: "silver-list@eskimo.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:16 PM
 Subject: CS>Electrode cleaning?
   



I seek everyone's cooperation for a quick quiz.  Would everyone/anyone here 
care to indulge me in my quest for information on cleaning your electrodes on 
machines fitted with automatic polarity reversal?
How often do you physically remove the electrodes from the water and wipe them 
over?
1. Physically removed from water at regular timed intervals during the 
production process.2. Physically removed from water at random intervals during 
the production process.3. Seldom physically remove them from the water while 
production is in process.4. Never physically remove them from the water while 
production is in process.6. Only between each batch produced.7.When I feel like 
it.8.
 Rarely.9. Never.10.  Other ~ with brief explanation.
Just type a number in your answer will do, except for number 8 of course.
To those who are willing to provide answers, I Thank You in advance.
N.


  

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Pat]

6. Only between each batch produced

I have the Colloid Master and usually have some stuff in the bottom at the end. 
 I usually set it at 5.5 or 6.  I wipe the silver rods with paper towels, but 
after reading, I'll try wiping with a clean towel.

Pat




 From: Neville Munn 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:16 PM
Subject: CS>Electrode cleaning?
 


 
I seek everyone's cooperation for a quick quiz.  Would everyone/anyone here 
care to indulge me in my quest for information on cleaning your electrodes on 
machines fitted with automatic polarity reversal?

How often do you physically remove the electrodes from the water and wipe them 
over?

1. Physically removed from water at regular timed intervals during the 
production process.
2. Physically removed from water at random intervals during the production 
process.
3. Seldom physically remove them from the water while production is in process.
4. Never physically remove them from the water while production is in process.
6. Only between each batch produced.
7.When I feel like it.
8. Rarely.
9. Never.
10.  Other ~ with brief explanation.

Just type a number in your answer will do, except for number 8 of course.

To those who are willing to provide answers, I Thank You in advance.

N.

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[James McDonald]

Don't use polarity reversal, unnecessary for I use silver only for the anode

From: Lena Guyot 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
 

6.
Be well,
Léna

On Apr 9, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Neville Munn wrote:

I seek everyone's cooperation for a quick quiz.  Would everyone/anyone here 
care to indulge me in my quest for information on cleaning your electrodes on 
machines fitted with automatic polarity reversal?
>
>
>How often do you physically remove the electrodes from the water and wipe them 
>over?
>
>
>1. Physically removed from water at regular timed intervals during the 
>production process.
>2. Physically removed from water at random intervals during the production 
>process.
>3. Seldom physically remove them from the water while production is in process.
>4. Never physically remove them from the water while production is in process.
>6. Only between each batch produced.
>7.When I feel like it.
>8. Rarely.
>9. Never.
>10.  Other ~ with brief explanation.
>
>
>Just type a number in your answer will do, except for number 8 of course.
>
>
>To those who are willing to provide answers, I Thank You in advance.
>
>
>N.

RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Neville Munn]

Oops...LOL...Sorry bout that.
5. Volume produced.
N.

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:19:13 -0500
Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
From: jaxi.sch...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

4 and 6 ... and what was 5?
Jaxi

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Neville Munn  wrote:




I seek everyone's cooperation for a quick quiz.  Would everyone/anyone here 
care to indulge me in my quest for information on cleaning your electrodes on 
machines fitted with automatic polarity reversal?

How often do you physically remove the electrodes from the water and wipe them 
over?
1. Physically removed from water at regular timed intervals during the 
production process.
2. Physically removed from water at random intervals during the production 
process.3. Seldom physically remove them from the water while production is in 
process.4. Never physically remove them from the water while production is in 
process.
6. Only between each batch produced.7.When I feel like it.8. Rarely.9. Never.
10.  Other ~ with brief explanation.
Just type a number in your answer will do, except for number 8 of course.
To those who are willing to provide answers, I Thank You in advance.

N.

  

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Judy Knowlton]

6. I like to make pint-size batches – quick, and electrodes need less cleaning.
JudyDownMaine 

From: Neville Munn 
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 7:16 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: CS>Electrode cleaning?

I seek everyone's cooperation for a quick quiz.  Would everyone/anyone here 
care to indulge me in my quest for information on cleaning your electrodes on 
machines fitted with automatic polarity reversal? 

How often do you physically remove the electrodes from the water and wipe them 
over?

1. Physically removed from water at regular timed intervals during the 
production process.
2. Physically removed from water at random intervals during the production 
process.
3. Seldom physically remove them from the water while production is in process.
4. Never physically remove them from the water while production is in process.
6. Only between each batch produced.
7.When I feel like it.
8. Rarely.
9. Never.
10.  Other ~ with brief explanation.

Just type a number in your answer will do, except for number 8 of course.

To those who are willing to provide answers, I Thank You in advance.

N.
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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Lena Guyot]

6.
Be well,
Léna
On Apr 9, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Neville Munn wrote:

> I seek everyone's cooperation for a quick quiz.  Would everyone/anyone here 
> care to indulge me in my quest for information on cleaning your electrodes on 
> machines fitted with automatic polarity reversal?
> 
> How often do you physically remove the electrodes from the water and wipe 
> them over?
> 
> 1. Physically removed from water at regular timed intervals during the 
> production process.
> 2. Physically removed from water at random intervals during the production 
> process.
> 3. Seldom physically remove them from the water while production is in 
> process.
> 4. Never physically remove them from the water while production is in process.
> 6. Only between each batch produced.
> 7.When I feel like it.
> 8. Rarely.
> 9. Never.
> 10.  Other ~ with brief explanation.
> 
> Just type a number in your answer will do, except for number 8 of course.
> 
> To those who are willing to provide answers, I Thank You in advance.
> 
> N.

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Jaxi Schulz]

4 and 6 ... and what was 5?

Jaxi

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Neville Munn  wrote:

> I seek everyone's cooperation for a quick quiz.  Would everyone/anyone
> here care to indulge me in my quest for information on cleaning your
> electrodes on machines fitted with automatic polarity reversal?
>
> How often do you physically remove the electrodes from the water and wipe
> them over?
>
> 1. Physically removed from water at regular timed intervals during the
> production process.
> 2. Physically removed from water at random intervals during the production
> process.
> 3. Seldom physically remove them from the water while production is in
> process.
> 4. Never physically remove them from the water while production is in
> process.
> 6. Only between each batch produced.
> 7.When I feel like it.
> 8. Rarely.
> 9. Never.
> 10.  Other ~ with brief explanation.
>
> Just type a number in your answer will do, except for number 8 of course.
>
> To those who are willing to provide answers, I Thank You in advance.
>
> N.
>

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning

[Michael Mahoney]

On Apr 18, 2007, at 21:12 , ccdirectt wrote:


Try pencil eraser.It will bring copper to a shine.I
clean the penny contacts on my Terminator Zapper with
it.
As soon as you get threw brewing your CS before it
dries put under running water & clean with Q tips.
--- Scott  wrote:


( snip)

I use Scotch-Brite.
(And some distilled water to flush.)
Is simple to cut Scotch-Brite to the size you need.

Does a good job without removing too much silver.


Michael


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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning

[dd611]

I use a Canadian mapleleaf coin and a silver bullion bar and just wipe 
them off with a paper towel. This gets them fairly clean, almost as good 
as useing the abrasive cloth.

Dennis

Jason wrote:

Hi,

Another quick question..  One of the electrodes gets this black build up on
it.  Is it best to clean them off every time with an abrasive cloth or would
you just wipe it with a paper towel?

Thanks,
J.



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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning

[ccdirectt]

Try pencil eraser.It will bring copper to a shine.I
clean the penny contacts on my Terminator Zapper with
it.
As soon as you get threw brewing your CS before it
dries put under running water & clean with Q tips.
--- Scott  wrote:

>

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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning

[Scott]

I usually use a paper towel.  Once in awhile, I will use a clean, fine, plastic 
scouring pad to take off the "black residue".

Jason  wrote: Hi,

Another quick question..  One of the electrodes gets this black build up on
it.  Is it best to clean them off every time with an abrasive cloth or would
you just wipe it with a paper towel?

Thanks,
J.



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