RE: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Ode Coyote]

Is that "live" mold and spore content, or is it vaccination style 'dead' 
mold and spore content teaching the body how to deal with live ones?



Ode




Hopefully they have fixed this, but I use to drink V8 almost every day.

Then Consumers Reports did a review of it and found a very high mold and
mold spore content for it and cautioned against drinking it, and I have
not drunk one since.

Marshall


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Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee /V 8

[Marshall Dudley]

vwol...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 4/23/2007 5:18:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mcomfy...@yahoo.ca writes:


Sorry to interject Dan, but you forgot one of the most important
ingredients in that "health" drink V8, .. THE SUGAR/SALT. 
I don't think there is anything great about that stuff.  Wow. 
Better to juice your own.  After that nice list of vegetables is

some other yucky ingredients.
Doris

***Two things that keep me from purchasing this product...one..it is 
often packaged in aluminum containers..an acid substance sitting for 
heaven knows how long in and aluminum container...yum. not.


Are they putting them in aluminum now?  Last I knew they were using tin 
plated steel cans.  IF they are using aluminum, then it has to be 
plastic covered on the inside, otherwise the acid would eat right 
through them in a matter of days.


Marshall


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RE: CS>carb blockers / Dee /V 8

[Dan Nave]

I believe that any cans containing tomatoes are coated on the inside.  
 
Also, canned tomatoes are vine ripened - as opposed to most tomatoes you
buy which are picked somewhat green so they stand up to the handling.
While enzymes may be lost, minerals are not lost.  You can do worse than
canned tomatoes...
 
Dan
 
 



From: vwol...@aol.com [mailto:vwol...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee /V 8


In a message dated 4/23/2007 5:18:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mcomfy...@yahoo.ca writes:

Sorry to interject Dan, but you forgot one of the most important
ingredients in that "health" drink V8, .. THE SUGAR/SALT.  I
don't think there is anything great about that stuff.  Wow.  Better to
juice your own.  After that nice list of vegetables is some other yucky
ingredients.
Doris

***Two things that keep me from purchasing this product...one..it is
often packaged in aluminum containers..an acid substance sitting for
heaven knows how long in and aluminum container...yum. not.

Also  when fruits or veggies are juiced they need to be ingested quickly
or they begin to loose their nutritional value .  V.





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RE: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Dan Nave]

I don't have a problem with a certain amount of sugar and salt.
 
Dan
 


From: Cinder Ella [mailto:mcomfy...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:18 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee


Sorry to interject Dan, but you forgot one of the most important
ingredients in that "health" drink V8, .. THE SUGAR/SALT.  I
don't think there is anything great about that stuff.  Wow.  Better to
juice your own.  After that nice list of vegetables is some other yucky
ingredients.
Doris


- Original Message 
From: Dan Nave 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:32:15 AM
Subject: RE: CS>carb blockers / Dee


Dee,

V8 is a vegetable juice cocktail consisting of 8 vegetables, mostly
tomato, carrot, and celery juices, I think...
It's not bad, tastes pretty good, and usually comes in a tin-can of some
sort.

The older TV commercials show someone slapping their forehead with the
palm of their hand saying, "I could have had a V8."

Lately there is a sort of parody of this commercial, but still put out
by the company.  For instance, a lady looks into a baby carriage, or
pram, and is cooing to the baby.  Suddenly a hand comes out and slaps
her on the forehead...  It is actually pretty funny...

Dan



-Original Message-
From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 2:28 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

Dee PS being from the UK I didn't understand the V8 thing .  To me,
this is a powerful car engine!



---Original Message--- 



And to think all this time I coulda just gone on a V8 fast! 




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Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee /V 8

[Vwolf21]

 
In a message dated 4/23/2007 5:18:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mcomfy...@yahoo.ca writes:

Sorry to interject Dan, but you forgot one of the most important ingredients 
in that "health" drink V8, .. THE SUGAR/SALT.  I don't think there is 
anything great about that stuff.  Wow.  Better to juice your own.  After that 
nice list of vegetables is some other yucky ingredients.
Doris


***Two things that keep me from purchasing this product...one..it is often 
packaged in aluminum containers..an acid substance sitting for heaven knows how 
long in and aluminum container...yum. not.

Also  when fruits or veggies are juiced they need to be ingested quickly or 
they begin to loose their nutritional value .  V.



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Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Cinder Ella]

Sorry to interject Dan, but you forgot one of the most important ingredients in 
that "health" drink V8, .. THE SUGAR/SALT.  I don't think there is 
anything great about that stuff.  Wow.  Better to juice your own.  After that 
nice list of vegetables is some other yucky ingredients.
Doris


- Original Message 
From: Dan Nave 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:32:15 AM
Subject: RE: CS>carb blockers / Dee


Dee,

V8 is a vegetable juice cocktail consisting of 8 vegetables, mostly
tomato, carrot, and celery juices, I think...
It's not bad, tastes pretty good, and usually comes in a tin-can of some
sort.

The older TV commercials show someone slapping their forehead with the
palm of their hand saying, "I could have had a V8."

Lately there is a sort of parody of this commercial, but still put out
by the company.  For instance, a lady looks into a baby carriage, or
pram, and is cooing to the baby.  Suddenly a hand comes out and slaps
her on the forehead...  It is actually pretty funny...

Dan



-Original Message-
From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 2:28 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

Dee PS being from the UK I didn't understand the V8 thing .  To me,
this is a powerful car engine!



---Original Message--- 



And to think all this time I coulda just gone on a V8 fast! 




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RE: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Dan Nave]

Well, "Life's a bitch, and then you die"... 

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:28 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee


Hopefully they have fixed this, but I use to drink V8 almost every day.

Then Consumers Reports did a review of it and found a very high mold and
mold spore content for it and cautioned against drinking it, and I have
not drunk one since.

Marshall


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Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Marshall Dudley]

Dee wrote:

Thanks Katherine for being concerned. I know I should eat better but I do
consume nuts and seeds occasionally and I have some veggie in juice. Oh, I
also eat fruit. Amazingly enough, I do have a very good digestive system and
never get things like diarrhoea, indigestion, etc., unlike my husband who I
do cook meat and veg for! In fact, I have good health generally (touch
wood!) for someone of sixty four years, but it is just this weight thing
which I must get a grip on. I will certainly think about following your
advice. Dee PS being from the UK I didn't understand the V8 thing .  To me,
this is a powerful car engine!

 


Hopefully they have fixed this, but I use to drink V8 almost every day.  
Then Consumers Reports did a review of it and found a very high mold and 
mold spore content for it and cautioned against drinking it, and I have 
not drunk one since.


Marshall


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RE: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Dee]

Thanks for that Dan, it does explain a lot! Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Dan Nave 

Date: 04/23/07 14:32:45 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: RE: CS>carb blockers / Dee 

 

Dee, 

 

V8 is a vegetable juice cocktail consisting of 8 vegetables, mostly 

Tomato, carrot, and celery juices, I think... 

It's not bad, tastes pretty good, and usually comes in a tin-can of some 

Sort. 

 


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RE: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Dan Nave]

 Dee,

V8 is a vegetable juice cocktail consisting of 8 vegetables, mostly
tomato, carrot, and celery juices, I think...
It's not bad, tastes pretty good, and usually comes in a tin-can of some
sort.

The older TV commercials show someone slapping their forehead with the
palm of their hand saying, "I could have had a V8."

Lately there is a sort of parody of this commercial, but still put out
by the company.  For instance, a lady looks into a baby carriage, or
pram, and is cooing to the baby.  Suddenly a hand comes out and slaps
her on the forehead...  It is actually pretty funny...

Dan



-Original Message-
From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 2:28 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

 Dee PS being from the UK I didn't understand the V8 thing .  To me,
this is a powerful car engine!

 

---Original Message--- 

 

And to think all this time I coulda just gone on a V8 fast! 

 


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Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Dee]

Thanks Kathryn. Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Clayton Family 

Date: 21/04/2007 17:40:13 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee 

 

That sounds good. Being from the UK, there are great resources for 

Vegetariansism, if you want to look at them. The Vegetarian Resource 

Group is there, and thvegetarian Society, in fact the Uk is *way* ahead 

Of the Us in studying and supporting the veg lifestyle. The groups also 

Have many online resources, too, and great recipes. Maybe your 

Metabolism is slow, and you just need less food, but you'll figure it 

Out. Sounds like you have ruled some things out already. 

 

Kathryn 

On Apr 21, 2007, at 2:27 AM, Dee wrote: 

 

> Thanks Katherine for being concerned. I know I should eat better but I 

> do 

> consume nuts and seeds occasionally and I have some veggie in juice. 

> Oh, I 

> also eat fruit. Amazingly enough, I do have a very good digestive 

> system and 

> never get things like diarrhoea, indigestion, etc., unlike my husband 

> who I 

> do cook meat and veg for! In fact, I have good health generally (touch 

> wood!) for someone of sixty four years, but it is just this weight 

> thing 

> which I must get a grip on. I will certainly think about following your 

> advice. Dee PS being from the UK I didn't understand the V8 thing . 

> To me, 

> this is a powerful car engine! 

> 

> 

> 

> ---Original Message--- 

> 

> 

> 

> And to think all this time I coulda just gone on a V8 fast! 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> But seriously, Dee, 

> 

> 

> 

> If you don't take care of yourself, how in the world are you going to 

> 

> Take care of everyone else? And for how long can you keep it up? I 

> 

> Think Moms everywhere go through this kind of thing. 

> 

> 

> 

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Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Clayton Family]

That sounds good. Being from the UK, there are great resources for 
vegetariansism, if you want to look at them. The Vegetarian Resource 
group is there, and thvegetarian Society, in fact the Uk is *way* ahead 
of the Us in studying and supporting the veg lifestyle. The groups also 
have many online resources, too, and great recipes. Maybe your 
metabolism is slow, and you just need less food, but you'll figure it 
out. Sounds like you have ruled some things out already.


kathryn
On Apr 21, 2007, at 2:27 AM, Dee wrote:

Thanks Katherine for being concerned. I know I should eat better but I 
do
consume nuts and seeds occasionally and I have some veggie in juice. 
Oh, I
also eat fruit. Amazingly enough, I do have a very good digestive 
system and
never get things like diarrhoea, indigestion, etc., unlike my husband 
who I

do cook meat and veg for! In fact, I have good health generally (touch
wood!) for someone of sixty four years, but it is just this weight 
thing

which I must get a grip on. I will certainly think about following your
advice. Dee PS being from the UK I didn't understand the V8 thing .  
To me,

this is a powerful car engine!



---Original Message---



And to think all this time I coulda just gone on a V8 fast!





But seriously, Dee,



If you don't take care of yourself, how in the world are you going to

Take care of everyone else? And for how long can you keep it up? I

Think Moms everywhere go through this kind of thing.




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Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Dee]

Thanks Katherine for being concerned. I know I should eat better but I do
consume nuts and seeds occasionally and I have some veggie in juice. Oh, I
also eat fruit. Amazingly enough, I do have a very good digestive system and
never get things like diarrhoea, indigestion, etc., unlike my husband who I
do cook meat and veg for! In fact, I have good health generally (touch
wood!) for someone of sixty four years, but it is just this weight thing
which I must get a grip on. I will certainly think about following your
advice. Dee PS being from the UK I didn't understand the V8 thing .  To me,
this is a powerful car engine!

 

---Original Message--- 

 

And to think all this time I coulda just gone on a V8 fast! 

 

 

But seriously, Dee, 

 

If you don't take care of yourself, how in the world are you going to 

Take care of everyone else? And for how long can you keep it up? I 

Think Moms everywhere go through this kind of thing. 

 


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Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Clayton Family]

(Whump!  You could have had a V8..)



LOL


ROFLOL

And to think all this time I coulda just gone on a V8 fast!


But seriously, Dee,

If you don't take care of yourself, how in the world are you going to 
take care of everyone else? And for how long can you keep it up? I 
think Moms everywhere go through this kind of thing.


How about this suggestion:

Cook the veges for yourself, and some for the others, too, then take a 
portion out just for you to eat. I had to do this as self preservation. 
Veges have so many good things for us, they are really essential. If 
you have problems digesting them, then you can maybe narrow down what 
you cook, or get some digestive enzymes to help.


As a vegan, I never eat any meat, but still meals can be a problem, 
depending on my energy level. And cooking for teenagers can be a never 
ending affair, so I take the stance that the boys HAVE to learn to do 
some cooking, at least if they want to eat. Note that they are older, 
they can easily do it, my brothers certainly did enough cooking for 
themselves at that age.


I found a recipe for using the fiber from the juicer to make a vege 
pate, it really turned out good. If you want to try it, email me 
backchannel.


best wishes,

Kathryn

On Apr 20, 2007, at 9:31 AM, Dan Nave wrote:


Wait a minute... 
  
If you don't eat meat, and you don't eat vegetables, what does that 
leave?

 
If you add the carb blockers...
 
Dan
 
(Whump!  You could have had a V8..)


From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
 Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:19 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee


Hi V, I probably was eating too much of other things if honest, 
thinking that if the carbs don't get digested etc. Etc., but I think 
you eat very well.  I use the Phase 2 brand which is also an extract 
of white kidney beans I think; and am now back on track.  Because I am 
such a lazy person about feeding myself (after cooking for others, I 
can't be bothered) so I end up eating sandwiches or something 
similar.  I really don't like meat so meals are a bit of a problem for 
me, as I can't be bothered to do veggies.  I do have them as juice 
though.  I am really glad you are having success and hope it continues 
and you feel better.  Regards Dee  

 

 



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Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[cking001]

I have a compact car.
It could use more legume...
Especially in the back...

Chuck
My wife is an earth sign. I'm a water sign. Together we make mud. 

On 4/20/2007 12:01:06 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com)
wrote:
> Not much. Fruits, nuts, legumes, honey, syrups, sugar.
> 


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Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Marshall Dudley]

Not much. Fruits, nuts, legumes, honey, syrups, sugar.

Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:
Wait a minute... 
 
If you don't eat meat, and you don't eat vegetables, what does that leave?
 
If you add the carb blockers...
 
Dan
 
(Whump!  You could have had a V8..)



*From:* Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
*Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2007 7:19 AM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

Hi V, I probably was eating too much of other things if honest, 
thinking that if the carbs don't get digested etc. Etc., but I think 
you eat very well.  I use the Phase 2 brand which is also an extract 
of white kidney beans I think; and am now back on track.  Because I am 
such a lazy person about feeding myself (after cooking for others, I 
can't be bothered) so I end up eating sandwiches or something 
similar.  I really don't like meat so meals are a bit of a problem for 
me, as I can't be bothered to do veggies.  I do have them as juice 
though.  I am really glad you are having success and hope it continues 
and you feel better.  Regards Dee  
 

 









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Re: CS>carb blockers

[Marshall Dudley]

Dan Nave wrote:
Does using carb blockers leave the carbs to be used by undesirable 
intestinal bacteria and yeasts, or is it hard for them to utilize it too?


Dan


First realize that carb blockers are really misnamed. They do nothing to 
block carbs from proteins or sugars (I am speaking specifically of the 
white bean extract variety). They only block starches.  Starches can 
only be digested by breaking them down into simple sugars. This is true 
for both the human as well as any microorganisms.  Thus if the enzymes 
that break down the carbs are neutralized, then they are not available 
to the microorganisms either.  Interestingly there appears to be little 
if any change in the bowel products, but there does appear to be an 
increase in quantity.


Marshall


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Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Norine Twaddell]

hahahahahah
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dan Nave 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:31 AM
  Subject: RE: CS>carb blockers / Dee


  Wait a minute...  

  If you don't eat meat, and you don't eat vegetables, what does that leave?

  If you add the carb blockers...

  Dan

  (Whump!  You could have had a V8..)



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  From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
  Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:19 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee


Hi V, I probably was eating too much of other things if honest, 
thinking that if the carbs don't get digested etc. Etc., but I think you eat 
very well.  I use the Phase 2 brand which is also an extract of white kidney 
beans I think; and am now back on track.  Because I am such a lazy person about 
feeding myself (after cooking for others, I can't be bothered) so I end up 
eating sandwiches or something similar.  I really don't like meat so meals are 
a bit of a problem for me, as I can't be bothered to do veggies.  I do have 
them as juice though.  I am really glad you are having success and hope it 
continues and you feel better.  Regards Dee  


  
   
   

RE: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Dan Nave]

Wait a minute...  
 
If you don't eat meat, and you don't eat vegetables, what does that
leave?
 
If you add the carb blockers...
 
Dan
 
(Whump!  You could have had a V8..)



From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:19 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee


Hi V, I probably was eating too much of other things if honest, thinking
that if the carbs don't get digested etc. Etc., but I think you eat very
well.  I use the Phase 2 brand which is also an extract of white kidney
beans I think; and am now back on track.  Because I am such a lazy
person about feeding myself (after cooking for others, I can't be
bothered) so I end up eating sandwiches or something similar.  I really
don't like meat so meals are a bit of a problem for me, as I can't be
bothered to do veggies.  I do have them as juice though.  I am really
glad you are having success and hope it continues and you feel better.
Regards Dee  
 

 

Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Dee]

Hi V, I probably was eating too much of other things if honest, thinking
that if the carbs don't get digested etc. Etc., but I think you eat very
well.  I use the Phase 2 brand which is also an extract of white kidney
beans I think; and am now back on track.  Because I am such a lazy person
about feeding myself (after cooking for others, I can't be bothered) so I
end up eating sandwiches or something similar.  I really don't like meat so
meals are a bit of a problem for me, as I can't be bothered to do veggies. 
I do have them as juice though.  I am really glad you are having success and
hope it continues and you feel better.  Regards Dee  
 
---Original Message---
 
From: vwol...@aol.com
Date: 19/04/2007 21:29:20
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee
 
***Hi Dee..
Do you mind if I ask what brand you took?
 
First thing I noticed...I didn't get that sleepy feeling I get when I start
the day with carbs..
Secondly..I didn't get hungry for hours!!!
That was a plus I hadn't reckoned on.

 
Chicken I had poached last night and Asparagus I had steamed last night also
  Steamed Cauliflower with some grated cheese on top as a side dish.
For many people I know that would be considered a good meal..but it really
is a lot of carbs and combining for me...now to see if I pushed it a little
to far:(   Won't take long...but so far  I feel very comfortable.
If this continues like it was today...I know that I will see progress...feeling 
excited.

Re: CS>carb blockers

[Dan Nave]

Does using carb blockers leave the carbs to be used by undesirable intestinal bacteria and yeasts, 
or is it hard for them to utilize it too?


Dan

Marshall Dudley wrote:

It is natural. What it does it inactivate the enzyme the body produces 
to break down starches into simple sugars for absorption.  Since it only 
affects starches, the nutrients in the food are unaffected.



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Re: CS>carb blockers / thanks

[Vwolf21]

 
(from V.)> Someone on the list mentioned they (their wife?) was using a carb 
blocker?

(from Marshall) Yes my previously diabetic wife takes them.
She got her lab results back from the Doctor about a week ago, and her blood 
sugar was normal, and tested as being normal for the last 3 months, without 
taking any of the prescription diabetic pills.
***Congratulations!!!
I also take them if the meal has a lot of  starch in it, like a pizza, 
potatoes, or bread to avoid gaining weight.
That answers another question I had...my daughter wants to try them 
also..she does not have a weight problem or hyperinsulinism...but she finds she 
is 
eating an awful lot of carbs lately...comfort food  because of stress.
I will tell her its o.k. to try the capsulesl then.  thanks
>  
(V)> It was suggested that I use it by my primary care doctor.
> She feels that because I have hyperinsulinism problems...a carb 
> blocker would help me with my weight loss .
>  
> She wanted to write a prescription but instead I purchased a natural 
> product.
> The brand is Natrol...and it seems that it is made up of a white bean 
> substance.
> How bad could that be?
(Marshall) It is natural. What it does it inactivate the enzyme the body 
produces 
to break down starches into simple sugars for absorption. 
Since it only affects starches, the nutrients in the food are unaffected.
I had posted a link a couple of weeks ago on comparison between the 
different brands.
Yes...I did have a bunch of choices...must have been from the link you 
sent..but I also choose Phase ll...used my pendulum to decide.
Thanks for the info...wish me luck:)   V

(Marshall)   We use Phase II, although it only rated about #5 or so 
on the list because it is readily available in a number of brands locally.

Marshall
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Re: CS>carb blockers / Dee

[Vwolf21]

 
In a message dated 4/19/2007 12:17:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
d...@deetroy.org writes:

Hi V I started on the carb blockers but after three days, I have gained 2lbs 
which is not the result I wanted!  However, there must have been a glitch or 
something, and I am starting it again.  I think it was Charles who's wife was 
on them.  Dee  


***Hi Dee..
Do you mind if I ask what brand you took?
Mine is "Natrol"...the package said the product was made of a white bean 
extract.
What did yours say?

I will keep track of the weight but not right away...I think it will take 
time to begin to release the fat...but I am keeping track of how I am feeling 
as 
I take the capsule.
It is only the first day of course...but with the first capsule ..I noticed a 
difference.

I took one before breakfast and then I had a decaf tea with a half tsp. raw 
honey..2 slices toast (oat bran..whole grain bread)  and Light cream cheese 
with cucumbers.
Crazy breakfast ,huh? But I wake up ravenous because I stop eating by 4 ish 
in the afternoon.

First thing I noticed...I didn't get that sleepy feeling I get when I start 
the day with carbs..
Secondly..I didn't get hungry for hours!!!
That was a plus I hadn't reckoned on.

Also, I have been combining food and that usually really gives me 
problems..none.

I just finished my Dinner...again a sandwich ( I will taper off of that 
soon..its just so nice to be able to eat a sandwich again)..Chicken I had 
poached 
last night and Asparagus I had steamed last night also.  Steamed Cauliflower 
with some grated cheese on top as a side dish.
For many people I know that would be considered a good meal..but it really is 
a lot of carbs and combining for me...now to see if I pushed it a little to 
far:(   Won't take long...but so far  I feel very comfortable.
If this continues like it was today...I know that I will see 
progress...feeling excited.


About the 2 lbs...I think the body fluctuates by a few pounds naturally...I 
am glad to hear you are going to try again.
Let us know how it goes...V.



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Re: CS>carb blockers

[Marshall Dudley]

vwol...@aol.com wrote:
I have two questions this morning...I am posting each seperately so 
that I don't mix up the headings.
 
Someone on the list mentioned they (their wife?) was using a carb blocker?
Yes my previously diabetic wife takes them. She got her lab results back 
from the Doctor about a week ago, and her blood sugar was normal, and 
tested as being normal for the last 3 months, without taking any of the 
prescription diabetic pills. I also take them if the meal has a lot of 
starch in it, like a pizza, potatoes, or bread to avoid gaining weight.
 
It was suggested that I use it by my primary care doctor.
She feels that because I have hyperinsulinism problems...a carb 
blocker would help me with my weight loss .
 
She wanted to write a prescription but instead I purchased a natural 
product.
The brand is Natrol...and it seems that it is made up of a white bean 
substance.

How bad could that be?
It is natural. What it does it inactivate the enzyme the body produces 
to break down starches into simple sugars for absorption.  Since it only 
affects starches, the nutrients in the food are unaffected.

So I have started taking the capsule today...took one before breakfast.
 
I would appreciate any info on carb blockers ...thanks again...v.
I had posted a link a couple of weeks ago on comparison between the 
different brands. We use Phase II, although it only rated about #5 or so 
on the list because it is readily available in a number of brands locally.


Marshall





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Re: CS>carb blockers

[Dee]

Hi V I started on the carb blockers but after three days, I have gained 2lbs
which is not the result I wanted!  However, there must have been a glitch or
something, and I am starting it again.  I think it was Charles who's wife
was on them.  Dee  
 
---Original Message---
 
From: vwol...@aol.com
Date: 19/04/2007 14:34:22
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>carb blockers
 
I have two questions this morning...I am posting each seperately so that I
don't mix up the headings.
 
Someone on the list mentioned they (their wife?) was using a carb blocker?
 

Re: CS>Carb Blockers and Lymph

[Deborah Gerard]

To help drain my lymphs I have put eight inch blocks at the head of my 
bed...incline theraphy I think it's called...debbie

Dee  wrote:v\:* {behavior:url (#default#vml);}  
v\:* {   BEHAVIOR: url (#default#vml)  }  Thanks for that Rowena, I 
don't really know although I don't seem to have any sort of swellings.  I get a 
sort of tenderness under the arms when touched sometimes but have been told 
this is normal.  I must say since I've been taking the iodoral I have had much 
more energy, but apart from this blasted weight problem I seem to have quite 
good health.  I do take CS most days as well so rarely get ill.  I will 
certainly check this site though. Dee  
   
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  Typically, people assume that overeating is the cause.
   
  There is an interesting site - rather encouraging, too - on
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  Poppy Lane Skin Care & Lymphoedema Clinic  139 Hollywood Drive Lansvale NSW
  2166 Australia (02) 9723 5402
   
  http://www.lymph.com.au/webcontent14.htm
   
   


   
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Re: CS>Carb Blockers

[Carol Ann]

LOLIf'n I go for a pizza, I'm going for the whole sugar and salt combo 
monty.a cold (non diet) coke over ice. 

Clayton Family  wrote: Hey, watch it! I need to get more 
diet soda and pizza!

On Apr 9, 2007, at 7:10 PM, Carol Ann wrote:

> In your situation as you describe it, neither would I.  However, there 
> are folks who would consider carb blockers as a means to overindulge 
> in foods they would other wise avoid or eat much less of as part of 
> their regular, low weight diets.
>
> Kinda like folks who order a pizza with the works or a whopper and 
> fries and wash it down with a  diet soda.
>
> Marshall Dudley  wrote:


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Re: CS>Carb Blockers

[Clayton Family]

Hey, watch it! I need to get more diet soda and pizza!

On Apr 9, 2007, at 7:10 PM, Carol Ann wrote:

In your situation as you describe it, neither would I.  However, there 
are folks who would consider carb blockers as a means to overindulge 
in foods they would other wise avoid or eat much less of as part of 
their regular, low weight diets.


Kinda like folks who order a pizza with the works or a whopper and 
fries and wash it down with a  diet soda.


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Re: CS>Carb Blockers

[Carol Ann]

In your situation as you describe it, neither would I.  However, there are 
folks who would consider carb blockers as a means to overindulge in foods they 
would other wise avoid or eat much less of as part of their regular, low weight 
diets.

Kinda like folks who order a pizza with the works or a whopper and fries and 
wash it down with a  diet soda. 

Marshall Dudley  wrote: C

I am not sure I would call it abusing food.  We eat out a lot, and 
unfortunately restaurant food is much higher in carbs than we would 
like. To get sufficient proteins, vitamins, minerals and so forth, 
requires eating more starches than needed or desired.  This allows one 
to "kill" much of the carbs, while still getting the nutrition from the 
other parts of the meal.

Marshall


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Re: CS>Carb Blockers

[Cinder Ella]

Do as you like, just sharing my experience.  Take the carb blocker and see what 
happens to you.
Doris


- Original Message 
From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 12:58:25 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Carb Blockers


Carol Ann wrote:
> hmmm.  I am not sure sure I agree totally.  After reading this thread 
> I went and bought a bottle while I was at the store for sumten else.  
> anyway, I am not what anyone would consider "overweight",  yet, I 
> could stand to lose 10-14 lbs easily as I know I would feel better.  
>  
> What has happened is that my body likes the weight its at.dosent 
> seem to want to budge regardless of what I do, it seems to have 
> settled at 145lbs. (5' 7").  A few of these extra lbs are in the wrong 
> place.I think the use of such a product to accomplish a short term 
> goal, wherein the body can get a jumpstart and then readjust to a 
> different weight is reasonable.  To use it to abuse food however is 
> another matter and I would concur with you Doris. 

I am not sure I would call it abusing food.  We eat out a lot, and 
unfortunately restaurant food is much higher in carbs than we would 
like. To get sufficient proteins, vitamins, minerals and so forth, 
requires eating more starches than needed or desired.  This allows one 
to "kill" much of the carbs, while still getting the nutrition from the 
other parts of the meal.

Marshall


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Re: CS>Carb Blockers and Lymph

[Dee]

Thanks for that Rowena, I don't really know although I don't seem to have
any sort of swellings.  I get a sort of tenderness under the arms when
touched sometimes but have been told this is normal.  I must say since I've
been taking the iodoral I have had much more energy, but apart from this
blasted weight problem I seem to have quite good health.  I do take CS most
days as well so rarely get ill.  I will certainly check this site though.
Dee  
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Rowena
Date: 09/04/2007 15:47:14
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Carb Blockers and Lymph
 
Dee, is it possible that lymphodema is involved here, or even lipodema or a
mixture of the two?
Things block the flow of lymph, and so the fluid just sits in the tissues.
I've been told that problems in the reproductive organs can cause
lymphodoema in the lower half of the body, e.g. fibroids - they block the
flow of lymph which bathes the tissues.  The fluid can't flow back to the
blood stream, and just sits there.
With lipodoema, if I have it right, the lipids stuck in the tissues then go
on to block the lymph, so you get a double whammy.
Also with lipodoema, the limbs etc can be larger than normal, but the feet
are normal sized.  With lymphodoema, the feet swell also.
 
Typically, people assume that overeating is the cause.
 
There is an interesting site - rather encouraging, too - on
www.poppylaneclinic.com.au
Poppy Lane Skin Care & Lymphoedema Clinic  139 Hollywood Drive Lansvale NSW
2166 Australia (02) 9723 5402
 
http://www.lymph.com.au/webcontent14.htm
 
 

Re: CS>Carb Blockers

[Marshall Dudley]

Carol Ann wrote:
hmmm.  I am not sure sure I agree totally.  After reading this thread 
I went and bought a bottle while I was at the store for sumten else.  
anyway, I am not what anyone would consider "overweight",  yet, I 
could stand to lose 10-14 lbs easily as I know I would feel better.  
 
What has happened is that my body likes the weight its at.dosent 
seem to want to budge regardless of what I do, it seems to have 
settled at 145lbs. (5' 7").  A few of these extra lbs are in the wrong 
place.I think the use of such a product to accomplish a short term 
goal, wherein the body can get a jumpstart and then readjust to a 
different weight is reasonable.  To use it to abuse food however is 
another matter and I would concur with you Doris. 


I am not sure I would call it abusing food.  We eat out a lot, and 
unfortunately restaurant food is much higher in carbs than we would 
like. To get sufficient proteins, vitamins, minerals and so forth, 
requires eating more starches than needed or desired.  This allows one 
to "kill" much of the carbs, while still getting the nutrition from the 
other parts of the meal.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Carb Blockers/ Mike

[Vwolf21]

Please scroll down...reply in the post...thanks   V.
 
In a message dated 4/8/2007 10:47:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mdev...@eskimo.com writes:

Dear Virginia,

You write:
> I have hyperinsulinism and the doc recommends I use something like
> this..

Hyperinsulinism may have an organic cause or contributing factor, such 
as the liver parasites or other pathogens some people are suggesting. 
It is something worth looking into.

That said, the main reason your insulin is high is because you are 
eating enough carbohydrates often enough that it triggers an almost 
continuous insulin response. That's the job of insulin, to keep your 
blood sugar low by causing the body to move it into the cells and out 
of the bloodstream.
*Yup...I do eat to many carbs...even though I try and make them "Good" 
carbs.
My body requires lots of Protein...I am Blood Type O but even without that 
info..experience tells me that Protein is what works for me.

So logically, I should keep my food intake to 3/4 protein  1/4 carbs...the 
Carbo Addicts Diet is perfect for this..but I have spent so much of my life 
hungry...at times close to starving  (diet pills and water shots..for years) 
that 
now that I have begun eating real food, I want Pasta and Bread ...among other 
things.
I use the lo carb pasta  Dreamfield  and Multi Grain bread but it doesn't 
matter...I am only fooling myself.:(  just for the sake of the feeling of 
comfort 
these foods give me.
My mind tells me that many of my "hungers" will never be met...missed out on 
so much in this lifetime...and that then drives me to calm myself with food.
My mind and body are constantly at war...not good ...I know.**

The insulin not only helps transport glucose into the muscle cells, but 
also to transport lipids into the fat cells. High triglyceride levels 
are yet another response of the body to high carbohydrate intake. 
Insulin stores away that extra fat, as well. That's why we gain weight 
on a high carb diet.

After routine consumption of unhealthy levels of carbohydrates, your 
body becomes de-sensitized to your own insulin, requiring the pancreas 
to produce more and more of it in order to achieve sugar control. 
That's why they also call this condition "insulin resistance syndrome."

The body has absolutely no essential need for carbohydrates! 
***This is especially true for Blood Type O's...the original meat eaters on 
this planet.

The small 
amount of glucose it needs for the brain and a handful of other organs  
can be synthesized quite easily by the liver from dietary protein.

It all becomes a question of how much carb you can afford to eat and 
stay healthy, not how much you *need* to eat to be healthy!

As long as you're eating carbs, your body will burn them up first to 
get energy. It does this for a reason: High levels of blood suger are 
bad for you!

If you ever stop eating carbs long enough for it to burn up all the 
stored and circulating reserves of sugar, your body *will* switch over 
to it's PREFERRED fuel, FAT! All those triglycerides? Yep, them!

I have seldom felt better than when I managed to resist my addiction to 
carbs long enough to get into fat burning mode and stay there. More 
energy, stamina, everything works better. I could go all day without a 
stop and hardly ever feel hungry. I was running on my own fat stores 
along with whatever fat I ate.

You'll want to eat protein, yes, in whatever amounts your body needs to 
build and repair itself. Your main energy food is fat. Eat healthy, 
good quality fats in adequate amounts and you'll not be hungry, nor 
will you gain weight -- as long as you're NOT running with an insulin 
response every day! The moment you do, you'll be switched back over to 
storing fat and burning sugar.

Veggies, then, add bulk to your diet and give you the many vitamins, 
minerals, and enzymes you need in addition to the fat and protein. 
Fruit is an occasional treat.

That's the secret of all the carb restricted diets. It is, in fact, the 
way we were meant to eat. There were very few concentrated 
carbohydrates routinely available to our hunter-gatherer ancestors, 
plus they were always active enough to burn off whatever starches they 
did consume so they could quickly get back to burning fat. The bulk of 
their energy came from fat in the wild game they hunted and trapped, 
plus whatever nuts, seeds, roots, and the like that they could gather. 
In the fall, the tribe could gorge on fruit, leading to an insulin 
response which would help them store some extra fat away for the lean 
months of winter.

The trouble with trying to eat this way today is the animal fat and 
protein most easily available are corrupted by our insistance on 
feeding livestock on grain instead of grass. The veggies we get are 
less nourishing due to soil depletion and artificial fertilizer use. 
Nearly everything we can buy is processed to death... literally until 
it is dead. Cheap vegetable oils are anything but safe to eat. An

Re: CS>Carb Blockers

[Cinder Ella]

There are ways to boost your metabolism.  Unclogging your liver is a good way 
to start.
Doris


- Original Message 
From: Dee 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 4:04:33 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Carb Blockers

Hi Doris, I know what you mean, and this actually  happens even when you just 
diet naturally without carb blockers.  I have to literally starve to lose 
weight now because my metabolism is totally up the creek from constant dieting 
even when I really wasn't fat!   I do not eat sensibly but I don't eat massive 
amounts of food either, but even when I cut my calories down to 1500 per day, 
(which is mostly what I usually consume, perhaps a bit more but never over 
2000) and yet I am 196lbs. (I think somewhere the Dee's have got mixed up!) and 
I am 5' 6" I know people do not believe this and think that when you are this 
sort of weight, that you must be stuffing your face secretly, but I can assure 
you this is not true.  And when I do starve and lose a few pounds, if I deviate 
one little bit from the starvation mode, then I pile it on again and more!  
Hence the weight now.  This beggars the question at the end of the day, what do 
you do?  Dee (not the 145lb  Dee LOL!) 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Cinder Ella
Date: 09/04/2007 01:15:09
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Carb Blockers
 
   Now all of a sudden the whooshing effect stops and all the "xyz" calories 
are once again being recognized by your body.  Now your body says, "I don't 
know... we did perfectly fine with "x" for so long and we don't really need 
"yz" anymore.  Tell you what... we'll store them just in case she does this 
to us again!"  Now you gain back the weight.  It's what happens with ALL forms 
of calorie reduced diets and forms of deprivation.  And that's exactly what 
carb and fat blockers do even though you can't see it happening.  I know 
because I went through this and after all was said and done I developed 
hindsight and researched the ingredients and realized what was happening.  Well 
that and I examined my stool carefully.

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Re: CS>Carb Blockers and Lymph

[Rowena]

Dee, is it possible that lymphodema is involved here, or even lipodema or a 
mixture of the two?
Things block the flow of lymph, and so the fluid just sits in the tissues.
I've been told that problems in the reproductive organs can cause 
lymphodoema in the lower half of the body, e.g. fibroids - they block the 
flow of lymph which bathes the tissues.  The fluid can't flow back to the 
blood stream, and just sits there.
With lipodoema, if I have it right, the lipids stuck in the tissues then go 
on to block the lymph, so you get a double whammy.
Also with lipodoema, the limbs etc can be larger than normal, but the feet 
are normal sized.  With lymphodoema, the feet swell also.

Typically, people assume that overeating is the cause.

There is an interesting site - rather encouraging, too - on 
www.poppylaneclinic.com.au
Poppy Lane Skin Care & Lymphoedema Clinic  139 Hollywood Drive Lansvale NSW 
2166 Australia (02) 9723 5402

http://www.lymph.com.au/webcontent14.htm


I just read that because of the static lymph, infections are a strong 
possibility and it's recommended that the patient keep antibiotics on hand 
in case.  Here is where CS should come into its own!  CS and DMSO topically 
would enter the tissues right to any site of infection.

Regards
Rowena

. . . even when I cut my calories down to
1500 per day, (which is mostly what I usually consume, perhaps a bit more
but never over 2000) and yet I am 196lbs. (I think somewhere the Dee's have
got mixed up!) and I am 5' 6" I know people do not believe this and think
that when you are this sort of weight, that you must be stuffing your face
secretly, but I can assure you this is not true. 


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Re: CS>Carb Blockers

[Dee]

Hi Doris, I know what you mean, and this actually  happens even when you
just diet naturally without carb blockers.  I have to literally starve to
lose weight now because my metabolism is totally up the creek from constant
dieting even when I really wasn't fat!   I do not eat sensibly but I don't
eat massive amounts of food either, but even when I cut my calories down to
1500 per day, (which is mostly what I usually consume, perhaps a bit more
but never over 2000) and yet I am 196lbs. (I think somewhere the Dee's have
got mixed up!) and I am 5' 6" I know people do not believe this and think
that when you are this sort of weight, that you must be stuffing your face
secretly, but I can assure you this is not true.  And when I do starve and
lose a few pounds, if I deviate one little bit from the starvation mode,
then I pile it on again and more!  Hence the weight now.  This beggars the
question at the end of the day, what do you do?  Dee (not the 145lb  Dee
LOL!) 
 
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From: Cinder Ella
Date: 09/04/2007 01:15:09
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Carb Blockers
 
   Now all of a sudden the whooshing effect stops and all the "xyz" calories
are once again being recognized by your body.  Now your body says, "I don't
know... we did perfectly fine with "x" for so long and we don't really
need "yz" anymore.  Tell you what... we'll store them just in case she
does this to us again!"  Now you gain back the weight.  It's what happens
with ALL forms of calorie reduced diets and forms of deprivation.  And that
s exactly what carb and fat blockers do even though you can't see it
happening.  I know because I went through this and after all was said and
done I developed hindsight and researched the ingredients and realized what
was happening.  Well that and I examined my stool carefully.
 

Re: CS>Carb Blockers/

[M. G. Devour]

Dear Virginia,

You write:
> I have hyperinsulinism and the doc recommends I use something like
> this..

Hyperinsulinism may have an organic cause or contributing factor, such 
as the liver parasites or other pathogens some people are suggesting. 
It is something worth looking into.

That said, the main reason your insulin is high is because you are 
eating enough carbohydrates often enough that it triggers an almost 
continuous insulin response. That's the job of insulin, to keep your 
blood sugar low by causing the body to move it into the cells and out 
of the bloodstream.

The insulin not only helps transport glucose into the muscle cells, but 
also to transport lipids into the fat cells. High triglyceride levels 
are yet another response of the body to high carbohydrate intake. 
Insulin stores away that extra fat, as well. That's why we gain weight 
on a high carb diet.

After routine consumption of unhealthy levels of carbohydrates, your 
body becomes de-sensitized to your own insulin, requiring the pancreas 
to produce more and more of it in order to achieve sugar control. 
That's why they also call this condition "insulin resistance syndrome."

The body has absolutely no essential need for carbohydrates! The small 
amount of glucose it needs for the brain and a handful of other organs  
can be synthesized quite easily by the liver from dietary protein.

It all becomes a question of how much carb you can afford to eat and 
stay healthy, not how much you *need* to eat to be healthy!

As long as you're eating carbs, your body will burn them up first to 
get energy. It does this for a reason: High levels of blood suger are 
bad for you!

If you ever stop eating carbs long enough for it to burn up all the 
stored and circulating reserves of sugar, your body *will* switch over 
to it's PREFERRED fuel, FAT! All those triglycerides? Yep, them!

I have seldom felt better than when I managed to resist my addiction to 
carbs long enough to get into fat burning mode and stay there. More 
energy, stamina, everything works better. I could go all day without a 
stop and hardly ever feel hungry. I was running on my own fat stores 
along with whatever fat I ate.

You'll want to eat protein, yes, in whatever amounts your body needs to 
build and repair itself. Your main energy food is fat. Eat healthy, 
good quality fats in adequate amounts and you'll not be hungry, nor 
will you gain weight -- as long as you're NOT running with an insulin 
response every day! The moment you do, you'll be switched back over to 
storing fat and burning sugar.

Veggies, then, add bulk to your diet and give you the many vitamins, 
minerals, and enzymes you need in addition to the fat and protein. 
Fruit is an occasional treat.

That's the secret of all the carb restricted diets. It is, in fact, the 
way we were meant to eat. There were very few concentrated 
carbohydrates routinely available to our hunter-gatherer ancestors, 
plus they were always active enough to burn off whatever starches they 
did consume so they could quickly get back to burning fat. The bulk of 
their energy came from fat in the wild game they hunted and trapped, 
plus whatever nuts, seeds, roots, and the like that they could gather. 
In the fall, the tribe could gorge on fruit, leading to an insulin 
response which would help them store some extra fat away for the lean 
months of winter.

The trouble with trying to eat this way today is the animal fat and 
protein most easily available are corrupted by our insistance on 
feeding livestock on grain instead of grass. The veggies we get are 
less nourishing due to soil depletion and artificial fertilizer use. 
Nearly everything we can buy is processed to death... literally until 
it is dead. Cheap vegetable oils are anything but safe to eat. And 
there is a never ending supply of flavorful high carb foods tempting 
you to have "just a bite!" 

I don't know that carb blockers are going to help us change the habits 
that are killing us. They may help you get into fat burning mode. 
Whether that translates into something you can then sustain, I can't 
say.

Be well,

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>Carb Blockers/

[Cinder Ella]

V  perhaps in your situation it is good, I don't know.  I'm not a doctor and 
don't pretend to have all the answers.  I just know what I know because I've 
done the do and have suffered the consequences.  If you take it forever (as I'm 
sure your insulin problem isn't going away) then you may never have an issue.  
When you stop, however, you will have an issue.  If you look at Dr. Hulda 
Clark's books you will discover that (and I hope I'm remembering this info 
correctly) the common fluke is responsible for invading your pancreas and 
creating your insulin problems.  As well your liver is probably toxic and 
congested.  Maybe you might want to try an alternative way of dealing with the 
insulin problem?  Try going to the source instead of managing the symptoms?  I 
used a frequency generator to restore my periods to normal.  I was coming on 
1-2 weeks late, started zapping and each time ovaries throbbed and the next day 
I had my period.  I dont' know if I could feel my pancreas
 throbbing but I can feel my liver when it hurts.
Doris


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*K...Is that what will happen if I use the Carb Blockers?
I have hyperinsulinism and the doc recommends I use something like thisV.






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Re: CS>Carb Blockers/

[Vwolf21]

 
In a message dated 4/8/2007 8:15:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mcomfy...@yahoo.ca writes:

Then all of a sudden you stop taking the carb or carb and fat blocker.  Now 
all of a sudden the whooshing effect stops and all the "xyz" calories are once 
again being recognized by your body.  Now your body says, "I don't know... 
we did perfectly fine with "x" for so long and we don't really need "yz" 
anymore.  Tell you what... we'll store them just in case she does this to 
us 
again!"  Now you gain back the weight.  It's what happens with ALL forms of 
calorie reduced diets and forms of deprivation.  And that's exactly what carb 
and 
fat blockers do even though you can't see it happening.  

*K...Is that what will happen if I use the Carb Blockers?
I have hyperinsulinism and the doc recommends I use something like thisV.



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Re: CS>Carb Blockers

[Vwolf21]

 
**Dee   you dickens you...I was of the understanding that you were 
overweight:)
You are a perfect weight for your height...

Just a thought   but maybe Yoga is what you want to try to readjust your body 
structure.

Taking a carb blocker is serious business...
I have been thinking of doing so...at the recomendation of my doc...I have 
hyperinsulinism...my body just wanting to drift over into diabetes and I do not 
want that.

I wont take the meds the doc wants me to but I am thinking about doing the 
natural carb blockers at the health food store.
This stuff really is not meant for what you are thinking of using it 
for...don't be mad...but I needed to say this. 
If it aint broken..girl...not good to mess with the Pancreas.  V.
 

In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:47:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
saffiresk...@yahoo.com writes:

hmmm.  I am not sure sure I agree totally.  After reading this thread I went 
and bought a bottle while I was at the store for sumten else.  anyway, I am 
not what anyone would consider "overweight",  yet, I could stand to lose 10-14 
lbs easily as I know I would feel better.   
 
What has happened is that my body likes the weight its at.dosent seem to 
want to budge regardless of what I do, it seems to have settled at 145lbs. (5' 
7").  A few of these extra lbs are in the wrong place.I think the use of 
such a product to accomplish a short term goal, wherein the body can get a 
jumpstart and then readjust to a different weight is reasonable.  To use it to 
abuse food however is another matter and I would concur with you Doris.  

Cinder Ella  wrote:

 
Again Dee, I don't know if you'll be reading my original response to this as 
the topic has changed in the last couple of days to Carb blockers, but this 
gentleman's wife will probably be taking these carb blockers for the rest of 
her 
life and she doesn't have to worry about what happens when she 
stops. which will ultimately be weight gain.  Don't do it.
Doris


- Original Message 
From: Dee 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 3:32:15 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Carb Blockers

Thanks very much Marshall.  Dee  









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Re: CS>Carb Blockers

[Cinder Ella]

I didn't mean to suggest that this gentleman's wife is abusing food.  She is a 
diabetic and I don't believe I would call it abuse.  For her she can probably 
eat like "normal" and doesn't experience sugar fluctuations and for a diabetic 
who has been sentenced to "life" with this affliction, it feels good to feel 
"normal".  I'm a nurse and I always felt that out of all the diseases I could 
think of I don't think diabetes is something I could cope with.  I think it's 
really neat actually that she has found this "loophole".  Unfortunately for 
those of us who don't need to resort to this "loophole" it can become trouble.  

As far as the carb blocker goes, I have used almost everything available to man 
including this product and from personal experience, I can tell you that it 
does nothing more than somehow encapsulate the fats and carbs and whooshes them 
right out of your system.  You go to the bathroom more often and the food is 
never even absorbed or recognized by your body.  I never abused food.  I always 
had a fairly balanced lifestyle.  When I was young I was a great weight and 
build, blonde, good looking.  I was athletic.  If I wasn't riding my bike down 
the bicycle path I was in our backyard swimming pool.  I took figure skating 
and on and on and on bla bla bla.  I ate good home cooked meals and lots of 
vegetables.  I never grew up with soda pop and we always had lots of veggies 
and fruits in the house.  After many years, life happened, I stopped all that 
activity and my metabolism slowed and heavy metal toxicity hit. need I say 
more?  Enough about that.  

When you continue eating your "normal" diet of "xyz" and take carb/fat blocker, 
your body whooshes the extra calories out of your body in their encapsulated 
form.  Your body doesn't recognize the "yz" calories, only the "x" and thinks 
you are eating less even though you are still eating "xyz" calories.  Being the 
efficient machine that your body is, it says to itself, "hmmm if we are only 
going to get "x" calories from now on instead of "xyz" then we'll have to 
become more efficient at processing what we are given."  It goes into 
starvation mode and your body continue to function in a seemless mannner.  A 
month or three or four goes by and your body is now a well oiled machine with 
only "x" calories.  Then all of a sudden you stop taking the carb or carb and 
fat blocker.  Now all of a sudden the whooshing effect stops and all the "xyz" 
calories are once again being recognized by your body.  Now your body says, "I 
don't know... we did perfectly fine with "x" for so long
 and we don't really need "yz" anymore.  Tell you what... we'll store them 
just in case she does this to us again!"  Now you gain back the weight.  It's 
what happens with ALL forms of calorie reduced diets and forms of deprivation.  
And that's exactly what carb and fat blockers do even though you can't see it 
happening.  I know because I went through this and after all was said and done 
I developed hindsight and researched the ingredients and realized what was 
happening.  Well that and I examined my stool carefully.

So I apologize for this being lengthy but I didn't want any more 
misunderstandings.  I don't recommend this product for those reasons.  If you 
are going to take it for a week and then stop and then exercise the heck out of 
yourself, that may be another story.  There's my humble opinion for what it's 
worth from a soon to be 42 year old who has been through the diet mill.
Best of Luck to all
Doris


- Original Message 
From: Carol Ann 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2007 5:46:28 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Carb Blockers


hmmm.  I am not sure sure I agree totally.  After reading this thread I went 
and bought a bottle while I was at the store for sumten else.  anyway, I am not 
what anyone would consider "overweight",  yet, I could stand to lose 10-14 lbs 
easily as I know I would feel better.   
 
What has happened is that my body likes the weight its at.dosent seem to 
want to budge regardless of what I do, it seems to have settled at 145lbs. (5' 
7").  A few of these extra lbs are in the wrong place.I think the use of 
such a product to accomplish a short term goal, wherein the body can get a 
jumpstart and then readjust to a different weight is reasonable.  To use it to 
abuse food however is another matter and I would concur with you Doris.  

Cinder Ella  wrote:
Again Dee, I don't know if you'll be reading my original response to this as 
the topic has changed in the last couple of days to Carb blockers, but this 
gentleman's wife will probably be taking these carb blockers for the rest of 
her life and she doesn't have to worry about what happens when she 
stops. which will ultimately be weight gain.  Don't do it.
Doris

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Re: CS>Carb Blockers

[Carol Ann]

hmmm.  I am not sure sure I agree totally.  After reading this thread I went 
and bought a bottle while I was at the store for sumten else.  anyway, I am not 
what anyone would consider "overweight",  yet, I could stand to lose 10-14 lbs 
easily as I know I would feel better.   
   
  What has happened is that my body likes the weight its at.dosent seem to 
want to budge regardless of what I do, it seems to have settled at 145lbs. (5' 
7").  A few of these extra lbs are in the wrong place.I think the use of 
such a product to accomplish a short term goal, wherein the body can get a 
jumpstart and then readjust to a different weight is reasonable.  To use it to 
abuse food however is another matter and I would concur with you Doris.  

Cinder Ella  wrote:
  Again Dee, I don't know if you'll be reading my original response to 
this as the topic has changed in the last couple of days to Carb blockers, but 
this gentleman's wife will probably be taking these carb blockers for the rest 
of her life and she doesn't have to worry about what happens when she 
stops. which will ultimately be weight gain.  Don't do it.
  Doris


  - Original Message 
From: Dee 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 3:32:15 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Carb Blockers

v\:* {}  v\:* {  }  Thanks very much Marshall.  Dee  
   
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From: Marshall Dudley
  Date: 04/06/07 20:23:21
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CS>Carb Blockers

   
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Re: CS>Carb Blockers

[Cinder Ella]

Again Dee, I don't know if you'll be reading my original response to this as 
the topic has changed in the last couple of days to Carb blockers, but this 
gentleman's wife will probably be taking these carb blockers for the rest of 
her life and she doesn't have to worry about what happens when she 
stops. which will ultimately be weight gain.  Don't do it.
Doris


- Original Message 
From: Dee 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 3:32:15 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Carb Blockers

Thanks very much Marshall.  Dee  
 
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From: Marshall Dudley
Date: 04/06/07 20:23:21
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Carb Blockers
 
Here are some ratings http://consumerhealthdigest.com/toptencarbblocker.htm

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Re: CS>Carb Blockers

[Dee]

Thanks very much Marshall.  Dee  
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Marshall Dudley
Date: 04/06/07 20:23:21
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Carb Blockers
 
Here are some ratings http://consumerhealthdigest.com/toptencarbblocker.htm