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CSCS with nutrients and foods
Are there any contraindications for any food or supplement to be taken together with CS/EIS? Gidon From: Sandee George [mailto:oha...@juno.com] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSbioresonance - 9 Sept - Feedback PT I think you have said it all - in yours just posted - when one gets into energy all sorts of chaos can be the outcome if as you say integrity and a deep understanding is not there - nuf said Have and enjoy a great day Sandee Attitude is everything ! AliveAgainSilver - Drops Gel Organo Gold healthy beverages sandeemagic.organogold.com http://sandeemagic.organogold.com/
Re: CSsprouting for vitamins/nutrients
Thanks for this. I love sprouted seeds in salad, smoothies etc. but didn't realise you could sprout flax seeds. I must give this a try. My favourite sprouts of all are lentils. They taste so great, I can't imagine a salad withoout them. Cheers Kirsteen On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Jill, Great idea! I sprout flax seed but I have to sprout them on a growing medium because they are so muscilaginous [moist, sticky, gel-sack] the most in fact that they cannot be sprouted like most seeds. I have a square plastic container in which I put two paper towels [Bounty] that I spray mist to dampen with a combination of peroxide and water then spread my flax seeds on that then spray the seeds and cover it with a clear plastic lid for the bottom of the flat. I cover that with a towel and mist everyday so they will not dry out. Once they sprout and have two leaves I uncover them and let them get some light for several days...then they are ready. You need to spray them everyday so as not to dry out even after the lid comes off. I believe eating sprouted seeds are so good for you. Sandy -- *From:* grace1...@aol.com grace1...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Mon, November 15, 2010 1:09:29 PM *Subject:* Re: CSsprouting for vitamins/nutrients How about making your own sprouts--such as wheat grass, broccoli, etc. I read that the broccoli sprouts have around 500 times the nutritive value of fresh broccoli.
Re: CSsprouting for vitamins/nutrients
Has anyone tried using CS in the process of making sprouts? It should help with the spoilage issues, I would think. I once used CS in the water of a cutting that I was trying to root. The plant never put out any roots although it stayed healthy. I don't think it knew it had been cut, because of the CS... Dan On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for this. I love sprouted seeds in salad, smoothies etc. but didn't realise you could sprout flax seeds. I must give this a try. My favourite sprouts of all are lentils. They taste so great, I can't imagine a salad withoout them. Cheers Kirsteen On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Jill, Great idea! I sprout flax seed but I have to sprout them on a growing medium because they are so muscilaginous [moist, sticky, gel-sack] the most in fact that they cannot be sprouted like most seeds. I have a square plastic container in which I put two paper towels [Bounty] that I spray mist to dampen with a combination of peroxide and water then spread my flax seeds on that then spray the seeds and cover it with a clear plastic lid for the bottom of the flat. I cover that with a towel and mist everyday so they will not dry out. Once they sprout and have two leaves I uncover them and let them get some light for several days...then they are ready. You need to spray them everyday so as not to dry out even after the lid comes off. I believe eating sprouted seeds are so good for you. Sandy -- *From:* grace1...@aol.com grace1...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Mon, November 15, 2010 1:09:29 PM *Subject:* Re: CSsprouting for vitamins/nutrients How about making your own sprouts--such as wheat grass, broccoli, etc. I read that the broccoli sprouts have around 500 times the nutritive value of fresh broccoli.
Re: CSsprouting for vitamins/nutrients
How about making your own sprouts--such as wheat grass, broccoli, etc. I read that the broccoli sprouts have around 500 times the nutritive value of fresh broccoli. I have experimented with various equipment, but my problem is that I am not here during the day to irrigate the sprouts (at least two times, but more recommended for various sprouting devices), and they rot because the waste products are not flushed out. If someone can do the irrigating properly, then the setup is extremely cheap, a glass jar with the lid cut out and a screen inserted (mason jar would work fine). Turn it on its side. Here are the directions from my NOW brand sprouting Jar: 1. Place two tablespoons of sprouting seeds or 1/2 cup of legumes/grains in a sprouting jar with three times as much water as seeds. Soak overnight. For many small seeds, five hours of soaking is sufficient. 2. Drain the water from the jar. Rinse seeds in fresh, lukewarm water and drain again. For well drained seeds/sprouts, lay jar at an angle in a warm (70F) dark place. Rinse and drain seeds twice a day. In hot and dry weather, you may need to rinse the seeds three times a day. in very humid weather, the seeds should be kept in a dry place. Turn jar over gently. Overturning the jar rapidly will cause shifting in the sprouting seeds. This can break the tender shoots and kill the sprout. The breakage causes the sprout to spoil. Sprouts should be ready to eat in 3-5 days, spending on the seed used. Put in sunlight during the last day to add chlorophyll. The above is from NOW FOODS _www.nowfoods.com_ (http://www.nowfoods.com) . They are giving quantities of seeds to use for their quart jar, number of daily rinses, growing time, and recommended sprout length. The seed types they discuss are alfalfa, broccoli, foenugreek, mung beans, radish, red clover, sunflower, and wheat. An easier but more expensive way to go is to get the Freshlife Automatic sprouter from Tribestlife (_www.tribestlife.com_ (http://www.tribestlife.com) ) This costs $100. You plug in the unit, and it waters the sprouts at timed intervals throughout the day by itself. Hope this helps, Jill In a message dated 11/15/2010 7:12:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, blacksa...@comcast.net writes: Hi Elan, I ask you this as it appears that you know a bit about fermented foods: but awhile ago (couple weeks now) I took some cabbage and “blenderized” with the thought that I’d drink it over a few days to increase my gut flora. I did use some, but one of the bottles wound up in the back of my fridge and I am hesitant in drinking it at this point. The bottle must’ve been the last part of it as it’s mostly just cabbage juice, which I’m sure is quite fermented. Could it have gone bad? Is it ok to drink at this point? Lisa From: elan spire [mailto:elan_sp...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSre: making your own vitamins A healthy population of friendly flora in our guts will actually manufacture some vitamins inside our very own bodies. Healthy intestinal flora also helps us to digest our food, properly assimilate the nourishment it contains, and strengthen our immune systems. Many cultured (naturally fermented) foods such as kimchee and sauerkraut are rich sources of B vitamins as well as live enzymes and beneficial bacteria, and are super beneficial to consume on a regular basis to help support good digestive health and a strong, natural immunity to disease. Making your own ferments is inexpensive, easy and fun, and consuming them is one of the best ways to help improve one's health on several different levels. Elan One thing we could do that would be very powerful is to make our own vitamins. It's time for those who know how to make these things to share their knowledge and their recipes. Many on this list make thier own silver water. Why not the rest of the stuff. So, share your recipes and techniques for everything.
Re: CSsprouting for vitamins/nutrients
Great point and I do have a sprouter too, thanks Deb From: grace1...@aol.com grace1...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 1:09:29 PM Subject: Re: CSsprouting for vitamins/nutrients How about making your own sprouts--such as wheat grass, broccoli, etc. I read that the broccoli sprouts have around 500 times the nutritive value of fresh broccoli. I have experimented with various equipment, but my problem is that I am not here during the day to irrigate the sprouts (at least two times, but more recommended for various sprouting devices), and they rot because the waste products are not flushed out. If someone can do the irrigating properly, then the setup is extremely cheap, a glass jar with the lid cut out and a screen inserted (mason jar would work fine). Turn it on its side. Here are the directions from my NOW brand sprouting Jar: 1. Place two tablespoons of sprouting seeds or 1/2 cup of legumes/grains in a sprouting jar with three times as much water as seeds. Soak overnight. For many small seeds, five hours of soaking is sufficient. 2. Drain the water from the jar. Rinse seeds in fresh, lukewarm water and drain again. For well drained seeds/sprouts, lay jar at an angle in a warm (70F) dark place. Rinse and drain seeds twice a day. In hot and dry weather, you may need to rinse the seeds three times a day. in very humid weather, the seeds should be kept in a dry place. Turn jar over gently. Overturning the jar rapidly will cause shifting in the sprouting seeds. This can break the tender shoots and kill the sprout. The breakage causes the sprout to spoil. Sprouts should be ready to eat in 3-5 days, spending on the seed used. Put in sunlight during the last day to add chlorophyll. The above is from NOW FOODS www.nowfoods.com. They are giving quantities of seeds to use for their quart jar, number of daily rinses, growing time, and recommended sprout length. The seed types they discuss are alfalfa, broccoli, foenugreek, mung beans, radish, red clover, sunflower, and wheat. An easier but more expensive way to go is to get the Freshlife Automatic sprouter from Tribestlife (www.tribestlife.com) This costs $100. You plug in the unit, and it waters the sprouts at timed intervals throughout the day by itself. Hope this helps, Jill In a message dated 11/15/2010 7:12:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, blacksa...@comcast.net writes: Hi Elan, I ask you this as it appears that you know a bit about fermented foods: but awhile ago (couple weeks now) I took some cabbage and “blenderized” with the thought that I’d drink it over a few days to increase my gut flora. I did use some, but one of the bottles wound up in the back of my fridge and I am hesitant in drinking it at this point. The bottle must’ve been the last part of it as it’s mostly just cabbage juice, which I’m sure is quite fermented. Could it have gone bad? Is it ok to drink at this point? Lisa From:elan spire [mailto:elan_sp...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSre: making your own vitamins A healthy population of friendly flora in our guts will actually manufacture some vitamins inside our very own bodies. Healthy intestinal flora also helps us to digest our food, properly assimilate the nourishment it contains, and strengthen our immune systems. Many cultured (naturally fermented) foods such as kimchee and sauerkraut are rich sources of B vitamins as well as live enzymes and beneficial bacteria, and are super beneficial to consume on a regular basis to help support good digestive health and a strong, natural immunity to disease. Making your own ferments is inexpensive, easy and fun, and consuming them is one of the best ways to help improve one ' s health on several different levels. Elan One thing we could do that would be very powerful is to make our own vitamins. It ' s time for those who know how to make these things to share their knowledge and their recipes. Many on this list make thier own silver water. Why not the rest of the stuff. So, share your recipes and techniques for everything.
Re: CSsprouting for vitamins/nutrients
Hi Jill, Great idea! I sprout flax seed but I have to sprout them on a growing medium because they are so muscilaginous [moist, sticky, gel-sack] the most in fact that they cannot be sprouted like most seeds. I have a square plastic container in which I put two paper towels [Bounty] that I spray mist to dampen with a combination of peroxide and water then spread my flax seeds on that then spray the seeds and cover it with a clear plastic lid for the bottom of the flat. I cover that with a towel and mist everyday so they will not dry out. Once they sprout and have two leaves I uncover them and let them get some light for several days...then they are ready. You need to spray them everyday so as not to dry out even after the lid comes off. I believe eating sprouted seeds are so good for you. Sandy From: grace1...@aol.com grace1...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 1:09:29 PM Subject: Re: CSsprouting for vitamins/nutrients How about making your own sprouts--such as wheat grass, broccoli, etc. I read that the broccoli sprouts have around 500 times the nutritive value of fresh broccoli.
RE: CSsprouting for vitamins/nutrients .. A LOVELY PASS-TIME, AND HEALTHY TOO! ..
This reminds me of the old days! We sprouted, many different products; the amount given, in vitamins would exceed 500 % during the first days after growth, which is generally three weeks! (See the Edmond Bordeaux Szekely book on sprouting.) You-guys give me the tickles to start again, only I live on an island, and the seeds are hard to get here. But do it, folks, get the feel of it, it is a lovely pass-time, and it helps your health, and that of your loved-ones! F S F Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:32:18 -0800 From: devorah...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSsprouting for vitamins/nutrients To: silver-list@eskimo.com Great point and I do have a sprouter too, thanks Deb From: grace1...@aol.com grace1...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 1:09:29 PM Subject: Re: CSsprouting for vitamins/nutrients How about making your own sprouts--such as wheat grass, broccoli, etc. I read that the broccoli sprouts have around 500 times the nutritive value of fresh broccoli. I have experimented with various equipment, but my problem is that I am not here during the day to irrigate the sprouts (at least two times, but more recommended for various sprouting devices), and they rot because the waste products are not flushed out. If someone can do the irrigating properly, then the setup is extremely cheap, a glass jar with the lid cut out and a screen inserted (mason jar would work fine). Turn it on its side. Here are the directions from my NOW brand sprouting Jar: 1. Place two tablespoons of sprouting seeds or 1/2 cup of legumes/grains in a sprouting jar with three times as much water as seeds. Soak overnight. For many small seeds, five hours of soaking is sufficient. 2. Drain the water from the jar. Rinse seeds in fresh, lukewarm water and drain again. For well drained seeds/sprouts, lay jar at an angle in a warm (70F) dark place. Rinse and drain seeds twice a day. In hot and dry weather, you may need to rinse the seeds three times a day. in very humid weather, the seeds should be kept in a dry place. Turn jar over gently. Overturning the jar rapidly will cause shifting in the sprouting seeds. This can break the tender shoots and kill the sprout. The breakage causes the sprout to spoil. Sprouts should be ready to eat in 3-5 days, spending on the seed used. Put in sunlight during the last day to add chlorophyll. The above is from NOW FOODS www.nowfoods.com. They are giving quantities of seeds to use for their quart jar, number of daily rinses, growing time, and recommended sprout length. The seed types they discuss are alfalfa, broccoli, foenugreek, mung beans, radish, red clover, sunflower, and wheat. An easier but more expensive way to go is to get the Freshlife Automatic sprouter from Tribestlife (www.tribestlife.com) This costs $100. You plug in the unit, and it waters the sprouts at timed intervals throughout the day by itself. Hope this helps, Jill In a message dated 11/15/2010 7:12:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, blacksa...@comcast.net writes: Hi Elan, I ask you this as it appears that you know a bit about fermented foods: but awhile ago (couple weeks now) I took some cabbage and “blenderized” with the thought that I’d drink it over a few days to increase my gut flora. I did use some, but one of the bottles wound up in the back of my fridge and I am hesitant in drinking it at this point. The bottle must’ve been the last part of it as it’s mostly just cabbage juice, which I’m sure is quite fermented. Could it have gone bad? Is it ok to drink at this point? Lisa From: elan spire [mailto:elan_sp...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSre: making your own vitamins A healthy population of friendly flora in our guts will actually manufacture some vitamins inside our very own bodies. Healthy intestinal flora also helps us to digest our food, properly assimilate the nourishment it contains, and strengthen our immune systems. Many cultured (naturally fermented) foods such as kimchee and sauerkraut are rich sources of B vitamins as well as live enzymes and beneficial bacteria, and are super beneficial to consume on a regular basis to help support good digestive health and a strong, natural immunity to disease. Making your own ferments is inexpensive, easy and fun, and consuming them is one of the best ways to help improve one ' s health on several different levels. Elan One thing we could do that would be very powerful is to make our own vitamins. It ' s time for those who know how to make these things to share their knowledge and their recipes. Many on this list make thier own silver water. Why not the rest of the stuff. So, share your recipes and techniques for everything.
CSUnbalanced Nutrients,
Great Thinking Dee, At 07:39 AM 9/10/2008, you wrote: I have to say that I do wonder about taking any *one* type of vitamin or mineral, because I have read that to unbalance things can cause more problems than a deficiency. I will give one example of what you just stated. I often state, .. Beware of the one thing theory. Nerve and Muscle Relaxation Magnesium and its fellow macronutrient, calcium, act together to help regulate the body's nerve and muscle tone. In many nerve cells, magnesium serves as a chemical gate blocker - as long as there is enough magnesium around, calcium can't rush into the nerve cell and activate the nerve. This gate blocking by magnesium helps keep the nerve relaxed. If our diet provides us with too little magnesium, this gate blocking can fail and the nerve cell can become overactivated. When some nerve cells are overactivated, they can send too many messages to the muscles and cause the muscles to over contract. This chain of events helps explain how magnesium deficiency can trigger muscle tension, muscle soreness, muscle spasms, muscle cramps, and muscle fatigue. == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUnbalanced Nutrients,
I suppose it could work to take one thing if one knew exactly what deficiency one has. It is a lot harder to be sure if one is just guessing I would think. dee Wayne Fugitt wrote: Great Thinking Dee, At 07:39 AM 9/10/2008, you wrote: I have to say that I do wonder about taking any *one* type of vitamin or mineral, because I have read that to unbalance things can cause more problems than a deficiency. I will give one example of what you just stated. I often state, .. Beware of the one thing theory. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSObtaining Food and Nutrients
--On 22 September 2007 22:26:59 -0500 CWFugitt c_wa...@earthlink.net wrote: The problem is, the food is inferior, and we do not work hard enough to eat enough food to get the needed supplements. Study the amount of food our ancestors ate 75, 100 or more years ago and you will be amazed at the amount they ate. They were mining minerals from 5 to 10 times the food we eat each day. In the 50's I worked for a nearby farmer. He fed the workers lunch. His wife cooked meals that made most Thanksgiving dinners pale and puny. All kinds of vegetables, several raw fruits and vegetables, several gravies, several kinds of hot bread, several kinds of meat. I guess she realized that to help people deliver good work she had to cook something everyone liked. All of it was delicious and workers had a super appetite. The soil was better then than now. But the era I referenced above was 25 to 50 years before that. Even better soil and people worked harder, often from daylight until dark. The work was not child's play. I was a teenager then and did the work of a grown man. This could have contributed to my health for the next 50 or so years. Ah, that sounds like you still find in rural France, especially during harvest times. The workers have their own breakfast of course, but still they are stopped at 10.30 for a 'cascroute' which roughl ymeans picnic, or a 'lunch you'd carry in your pocket'. That meal itself would blow you away, with its cheeses, meats (sausages and potted), breads and fruits. As much wine as you can hold. The lunch is served on a rough table, and has five courses and as much as you want, plus trimmings of potted and dried meats, and salads. After the harvest season is over, which may be tow to four weeks or more, depending on the crop, each Farm also has a Feast to top it it all off! All the food was lovingly cooked and prepared, super-delicious, local and fresh. The soil was lovely too. You would work very hard. That, and building work certainly contributed to my health, along with good food. I also think that in modern times the food lacks minerals, this came to my notice because someone probably mentioned it on the silver list writing about silver in food, and I came across papers written on it. MAybe that artly accounts for insipid taste in a lot of food from supermarkets. Another reason is the handling of food - like they don't pick it when it's ripe. It's another story with the allotment though. Interestingly, children love all this fruit and vegetables and chew and suck on the flavours with intense concentration but not so much the supermarket stuff. Maybe Wayne gives good advice to you then, about supplements. I don't take them myself, but I do grow my own food. The stuff which I buy is selected carefully, like Indian mangoes from ethnic stores. Also, we use a lot of seeds in our preparations, like fennel, mustard, anise, cumin, and so on, which are super nutrient-rich. JOhn. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSObtaining Food and Nutrients
Bravo. Faith - Original Message - From: CWFugitt c_wa...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:26 PM Subject: CSObtaining Food and Nutrients At 04:26 PM 9/22/2007, you wrote: I'm having a struggle mentally with this but we are trying the diet and if it works it would be great since our supplement rights are threatened and may be taken away. Follow the advice and take away all the supplements, and you will likely struggle physically also. The problem is, the food is inferior, and we do not work hard enough to eat enough food to get the needed supplements. Study the amount of food our ancestors ate 75, 100 or more years ago and you will be amazed at the amount they ate. They were mining minerals from 5 to 10 times the food we eat each day. In the 50's I worked for a nearby farmer. He fed the workers lunch. His wife cooked meals that made most Thanksgiving dinners pale and puny. All kinds of vegetables, several raw fruits and vegetables, several gravies, several kinds of hot bread, several kinds of meat. I guess she realized that to help people deliver good work she had to cook something everyone liked. All of it was delicious and workers had a super appetite. The soil was better then than now. But the era I referenced above was 25 to 50 years before that. Even better soil and people worked harder, often from daylight until dark. The work was not child's play. I was a teenager then and did the work of a grown man. This could have contributed to my health for the next 50 or so years. No supplements at that time. I was out of high school when I started physical conditioning and studying health and nutrition. Somehow, I knew that the easy jobs I had were not going to do the same as the hard work I had done in the previous years. Today I would be hesitant to stop supplements for any reason. If anything cuts off the supplements, I may have to go back to living like a cave man. Hunting, fishing, trapping, foraging for nuts and berries, digging for roots and grubs, defending the food I have, and you name it. Obtaining food and water could become a full time job. Fortunately, I know more about all the methods than most. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSObtaining Food and Nutrients
At 04:26 PM 9/22/2007, you wrote: I'm having a struggle mentally with this but we are trying the diet and if it works it would be great since our supplement rights are threatened and may be taken away. Follow the advice and take away all the supplements, and you will likely struggle physically also. The problem is, the food is inferior, and we do not work hard enough to eat enough food to get the needed supplements. Study the amount of food our ancestors ate 75, 100 or more years ago and you will be amazed at the amount they ate. They were mining minerals from 5 to 10 times the food we eat each day. In the 50's I worked for a nearby farmer. He fed the workers lunch. His wife cooked meals that made most Thanksgiving dinners pale and puny. All kinds of vegetables, several raw fruits and vegetables, several gravies, several kinds of hot bread, several kinds of meat. I guess she realized that to help people deliver good work she had to cook something everyone liked. All of it was delicious and workers had a super appetite. The soil was better then than now. But the era I referenced above was 25 to 50 years before that. Even better soil and people worked harder, often from daylight until dark. The work was not child's play. I was a teenager then and did the work of a grown man. This could have contributed to my health for the next 50 or so years. No supplements at that time. I was out of high school when I started physical conditioning and studying health and nutrition. Somehow, I knew that the easy jobs I had were not going to do the same as the hard work I had done in the previous years. Today I would be hesitant to stop supplements for any reason. If anything cuts off the supplements, I may have to go back to living like a cave man. Hunting, fishing, trapping, foraging for nuts and berries, digging for roots and grubs, defending the food I have, and you name it. Obtaining food and water could become a full time job. Fortunately, I know more about all the methods than most. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS:? Nutrients not in food
There is much to learn from ancient pockets of study and wisdom, but they are just pockets. Few will dig into them till they need to and need is relative to obvious failure. Obvious is relative to the vision of the seer and some crackpots are much better at looking ahead than the average clod buster vast majority who ignores them and depends entirely on tradition. England is a limited space and would naturally seek what it takes to survive it as it became apparent that colonies weren't doing the job. Wisdom for the sake of wisdom, a rarity, un-common sense, flies in the face of tradition and collects in pockets to survive witch hunts. Hunter / gatherer techniques are limited by ability over planning. Give an average beaver a chain saw and a market for wood... and see how much he really cares about conservation. I'll bet it never occurs to him till there are a lot more stumps than trees. THEN, he might consult the acorn burying squirrels in that pocket of squirrel houses too remote to cut down, to satisfy a need for new trees. If he can't make but just so many stumps and there aren't too many beavers trying their limited best, there's no need to think about not enough trees at all. That's not wisdom, no need for it. Without ability, intent is completely irrelevant. But too many beavers with a market for rolling stone heads around makes Easter Island a barren Island devoid of beavers despite the limitations. That's not wisdom either, but it is certainly a need for it. And it's found where it is, in study of unknown alternatives and in pockets of gathered crackpot witches that enhance the study. People are smart? Nope, they like to be told they're smart by tradition. Tradition doesn't look, see or think...it just repeats, resisting any change. Fortunately, it tends to leak a bit, as needed, but usually a little bit late and a bit too slow, in GREAT need. It too, doesn't do different till it must. The continuity of result is endless suffering and looming potential for more of the same. Perhaps like *Freedom and Security*, tradition and wisdom should never be used in the same sentence. Learning to walk is isolated steps buried under many falls. Yes, the steps exist amongst the falls, but the falls prevail till pain makes the reference; It's not here *or* there, it's here *and* there. And THEN, we learn to dance. Eventually fly, but we're talking quite a few crashes for a while in traditional gliders while jet research is being done by isolated crackpots laying the ground work for inter planetary rockets. Progress for the majority is fits, starts, backtracks and painful repeated error. Ode At 04:16 PM 9/11/2007 +0100, you wrote: --On 11 September 2007 07:52:46 -0400 Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: Organic/ sustainable farming as we know it and believe it's old, is a 'New thing, borne of desperation as we go into another sort of Dust Bowl, still in development by wacko hippies who can read hand writing on walls with no where left to move to. It's being developed by methodical science, study and experimentation, not replicated from centuries of ignorance. In the old days life was ignorant, hard and short for the majority of folks. Well, I see what you say regarding America. In europe there is the biodynamic farming which is the mixed farming techniques of Germany's Rudolph Steiner going back to the 1920's and its roots in old practices. His research was clairvoyant. In England similar small mixed farms were the norm until the 1950's and after. Then there's the vedic farming systems going back pre-5000 years, which are also settled mixed farming. Neither depend on slash and burn. IN the fragile and extensive Himalaya you can observe settled mixed farming in a symbiosis with its environment, with the build up of rich soils. IN fact these practices extend to high altitude alpine grazing land, from where manure is carried down like precious nuggets in baskets on mules, and irrigation channels are cut. Then there's the ancient practices of farming on the upper Nile, with yearly flooding and enrichment of soils. It's not canalised, but again lived upon in symbiosis. SLash and burn techniques as practised by colonisers with plantations and ranches is different from hunter gather slash and burn techniques in Africa, for several reasons, not least motive. The practice was to make small clearings, and not extend them, but move on to allow rapid re-growth. John, Libertarian, Faithful, Freedom Fighter. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message.
Re: CSCS:? Nutrients not in food
Get back to better methods? That would be: burn out a farm and move, wouldn't it? It was in the 30s that the poor farming practices that burned out the East spurring a migration to new farmland, burned up the Mid West and made a Dust Bowl, prompting congress to suggest that farmers improve the old ways ie DEVELOP better methods. That's when we started to get what we have NOW. That's when they *started* using chemical fertilizers and studying plant nutrition and eventually adding in minerals and other nutrients to the fertilizers. I'll bet food has more in it today than it did in the 30s. [ It can get better.] It may have been better *before* the 30s , but only where there were still forests to slash and burn for potash, but there was also a lot less of it. People fought and died over river bottom land. The country of Chile was a result of a war over bird droppings. If *good* fertilizer was rare and expensive enough to die over, how many farmers were using it? Not many and then, only the wealthy. The old days Typically, it was burn the stubble, get out the mule, plant the same thing again and hope for the best, then move when it wasn't good enough. The Pennsylvania forests of today are loaded with 100-200 year old ruins. The South East forests, terraced. So badly burned out that grass for cattle wouldn't grow and STILL won't in some places, just scrubby stunted short needle pines with a very long tap root. That's those better methods of yesteryear. There were no better methods to go back to, not that they didn't exist anywhere on the planet to 'some degree' by default, accident and desperation being used by a few thoughtful farmers in survival mode, but virtually no one knew about them here...or used them anywhere. One reason people came to N America was to escape famines, a goodly portion of which stemming from poor farming practices in Europe. Organic/ sustainable farming as we know it and believe it's old, is a 'New thing, borne of desperation as we go into another sort of Dust Bowl, still in development by wacko hippies who can read hand writing on walls with no where left to move to. [ The danged Hippies been right more than once...realistic, sometimes, but then, perhaps the best of new realities are watered down and fertilized fantasies.] It's being developed by methodical science, study and experimentation, not replicated from centuries of ignorance. In the old days life was ignorant, hard and short for the majority of folks. Most people suffered from some sort of malnutrition, there were no clues about balancing a dietyou ate what you could get. That just happened to be, a little of this and a little of that during the local growing seasons, then it was hard tack, dried beans, salt pork and a touch of scurvy by spring. When people learned to make canned goods in the 1800s, that was a vast improvement. [Took another 50 years to invent a can opener and another 70 or so to stop using lead solder] Ode At 01:47 PM 9/10/2007 +0100, you wrote: --On 9 September 2007 08:10:52 -0700 Harold MacDonald har...@telus.net wrote: The US Library of Congress has documentation going back to the mid 1930s re the severe lack of nutrient value in food.This document laid a heavy trip on modern farming practices.The nutrients in the soil were virtually non-existent as crops were heavily fertilized with chemicals.Farmers were urged to get back to better methods. This document can be read by any-one. AND,you may be sure that most grown food today is no better than it was 70+ years ago. Correct. It woul dbe good to see the trend of kitchen gardens/allotments increase ,for this reason. They could supply surplus to local circles too. I would like to see this return as the normal practice for mean and women, as it was in England even in the pre-war periods. Each one of us should try to, as this is a reversal of global domination, to produce our own food. JOhn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/999 - Release Date: 9/10/2007 5:43 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/999 - Release Date: 9/10/2007 5:43 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/999 - Release Date: 9/10/2007 5:43 PM
Re: CSCS:? Nutrients not in food
--On 11 September 2007 07:52:46 -0400 Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: Organic/ sustainable farming as we know it and believe it's old, is a 'New thing, borne of desperation as we go into another sort of Dust Bowl, still in development by wacko hippies who can read hand writing on walls with no where left to move to. It's being developed by methodical science, study and experimentation, not replicated from centuries of ignorance. In the old days life was ignorant, hard and short for the majority of folks. Well, I see what you say regarding America. In europe there is the biodynamic farming which is the mixed farming techniques of Germany's Rudolph Steiner going back to the 1920's and its roots in old practices. His research was clairvoyant. In England similar small mixed farms were the norm until the 1950's and after. Then there's the vedic farming systems going back pre-5000 years, which are also settled mixed farming. Neither depend on slash and burn. IN the fragile and extensive Himalaya you can observe settled mixed farming in a symbiosis with its environment, with the build up of rich soils. IN fact these practices extend to high altitude alpine grazing land, from where manure is carried down like precious nuggets in baskets on mules, and irrigation channels are cut. Then there's the ancient practices of farming on the upper Nile, with yearly flooding and enrichment of soils. It's not canalised, but again lived upon in symbiosis. SLash and burn techniques as practised by colonisers with plantations and ranches is different from hunter gather slash and burn techniques in Africa, for several reasons, not least motive. The practice was to make small clearings, and not extend them, but move on to allow rapid re-growth. John, Libertarian, Faithful, Freedom Fighter. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS:? Nutrients not in food
--On 9 September 2007 08:10:52 -0700 Harold MacDonald har...@telus.net wrote: The US Library of Congress has documentation going back to the mid 1930s re the severe lack of nutrient value in food.This document laid a heavy trip on modern farming practices.The nutrients in the soil were virtually non-existent as crops were heavily fertilized with chemicals.Farmers were urged to get back to better methods. This document can be read by any-one. AND,you may be sure that most grown food today is no better than it was 70+ years ago. Correct. It woul dbe good to see the trend of kitchen gardens/allotments increase ,for this reason. They could supply surplus to local circles too. I would like to see this return as the normal practice for mean and women, as it was in England even in the pre-war periods. Each one of us should try to, as this is a reversal of global domination, to produce our own food. JOhn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS:? Nutrients not in food
The US Library of Congress has documentation going back to the mid 1930s re the severe lack of nutrient value in food.This document laid a heavy trip on modern farming practices.The nutrients in the soil were virtually non-existent as crops were heavily fertilized with chemicals.Farmers were urged to get back to better methods. This document can be read by any-one. AND,you may be sure that most grown food today is no better than it was 70+ years ago. I have not been able to down enough food in a day to reach even the basic RDAs recommended,so I supplement heavily. Harold -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Chemical fertilizers or Plant Nutrients
Example. one blueberry grower had 3 college degrees. Everybody, including the people from the Blueberry Research center admitted I beat the socks off him growing blueberries. They even said, Nowhere, under any conditions, had they seen any blue berry plants grow like mine. They tell you not to fertilize them the first year.I ignored their unscientific statements and mixed my own nutrients, weighed them on a grain scale and made several small applications the first year. I harvested 2000 pints after one years growth on 400 plants. I'm curious... I love strawberries, but they are one of the most heavily over-treated (pesticides and crap) crops there is... Have you ever grown them with similar results? Again - I'd *love* to hear more, as I plan on starting my own garden with my next house (which will be on enough viable land to have one... and I'd even be willing to pay good money (gold and silver) for the information... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Chemical fertilizers or Plant Nutrients
--On 7 September 2007 10:52:45 -0400 Simon Jester tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Have you ever grown them with similar results? we are not sure if you mean taste, zest, shape, colour or size. Britain. It's time to face the music. Have you got what it takes? Visit www.carphonewarehouse.com/xfactor -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSChemical fertilizers or Plant Nutrients
At 07:08 AM 9/3/2007, you wrote: I copied this out of Widepedia Wayne. Dee Some is a half lie, some is a half truth. Notice it is talking about MIS USE ! The problem of over-fertilization is primarily associated with the use of artificial fertilizers, Artificial Fertilize ? Who can fool a plant ? I guess they coined that fraudulent phrase. This one thing makes me put this source to the bottom of the list. because of the massive quantities applied and the destructive nature of chemical fertilizers on soil nutrient holding structures. The high solubilities of chemical fertilizers also exacerbate their tendency to degrade ecosystems. Sounds like a religious statement, rather than a scientific one. Storage and application of some nitrogen fertilizers in some weather or soil conditions can cause emissions of the greenhouse gas nitrous oxide (N2O). Ammonia gas (NH3) may be emitted following application of inorganic fertilizers, or manure or slurry. If anyone ever smelled Manure, it is as high in Ammonia Gas as anything. Again the term above, Inorganic Fertilize is a fraud. What mineral is organic ? All came from the earth. They never even mentioned the term, chelation. Even good old Einstein said... matter cannot be created or destroyed. So based on his proof, who can make a mineral. No one, no plant, no method, no organic means. ... period. Please notice the complete statement above is a Conditional Statement . Like ... If this, maybe that. Besides supplying nitrogen, ammonia can also increase soil acidity (lower pH, or souring). Excessive nitrogen fertilizer applications can also lead to pest problems by increasing the birth rate, longevity and overall fitness of certain pests Again, they are talking of Misuse. Sounds like political statement or they may be of Organic Religion. Little scientific evidence in the whole statement. The concentration of up to 100 mg/kg of Cadmium in phosphate minerals (for example, minerals from Nauru[19] and the Christmas islands[20]) increases the contamination of soil with Cadmium, for example in New Zealand.[21] Uranium is another example of a contaminant often found in phosphate fertilizers. Interesting and likely true. They are talking about Man Screw ups. Abuse, and manmade disasters. Chemicals, Bad Fertilize, overuse, and errors on the part of man kind is a disaster, anyway you cut it. I agree that many farmers over use and abuse. Many, if not most, know absolute Zero about plants, nutrients, and the best way to grow things. Some have never been to school, and the ones that have did not learn much. Example. one blueberry grower had 3 college degrees. Everybody, including the people from the Blueberry Research center admitted I beat the socks off him growing blueberries. They even said, Nowhere, under any conditions, had they seen any blue berry plants grow like mine. They tell you not to fertilize them the first year.I ignored their unscientific statements and mixed my own nutrients, weighed them on a grain scale and made several small applications the first year. I harvested 2000 pints after one years growth on 400 plants. If I had never pruned them, they would be 50 feet tall by now. The head man from the state college was in my field munching blue berries. I told him, ... I sent you one sample and it said this soil would not grow blueberries. Since then, I have not wanted to confuse the FACTS with your Theories, so I have send no more soil sample. The moral is, some people are growers, and others think they are. To give you one more real world example, I can grow 150 to 200 bell peppers on a plant. I had one limb break off a plant that had 35 peppers on it. And I used some chemicals by the definitions of others. In my opinion, I used nutrients. Usually I remove about 75 % of the peppers, and eat them whole, right off the plant. Never any thing sprayed on the plants to keep me from doing this. Sometimes I get busy is why that one limb had 35 peppers on it. Be experimenting with minor minerals, I learned things that few people know. Full size tomatoes will grow full clusters 1 inch apart on the main plant. And for that batch, I have a computer print out of every batch of nutrients I mixed for the whole year. Guess if you wish, but I don't. I data log EC, PH and can measure the nutrient absorption based on the brightest sunlight during the day. Fortunately, my friends, many with doctors degree in horticulture taught me a lot. I taught myself a lot. And guess what taught me the rest of the story ? The Plants themselves did. I can spot one wilted leaf near 100 yards away. I wonder about that Winnipeg crowd. I doubt that they can grow green grass on the lawn. grin Any good questions, I might be able to answer them. We should be on the OFF TOPIC list, however most things about
Re: CSChemical fertilizers or Plant Nutrients
Morning Wayne, If what you say is true, and I have no reason to believe that it isn't ;-)) you probably should spend some (much) effort at systematically codifying the principles that you use to achieve these effects. It sounds like you have achieved some unique and creative insight into what is necessary for this sort of plant growth and the system that is able to monitor and apply same. I'm serious about this. Your contributions to health on any other level would pale in comparison to the contribution you might be able to make in this realm. If your techniques are indeed unique and insightful, do not assume that someone can merely look at what you have done and reproduce it without specific directions. Look at the legacy of people like Rife, even Tesla. People have spent years trying to figure out and reproduce what they did. Dan CWFugitt wrote: At 07:08 AM 9/3/2007, you wrote: Interesting and likely true. They are talking about Man Screw ups. Abuse, and manmade disasters. Chemicals, Bad Fertilize, overuse, and errors on the part of man kind is a disaster, anyway you cut it. I agree that many farmers over use and abuse. Many, if not most, know absolute Zero about plants, nutrients, and the best way to grow things. Some have never been to school, and the ones that have did not learn much. Example. one blueberry grower had 3 college degrees. Everybody, including the people from the Blueberry Research center admitted I beat the socks off him growing blueberries. They even said, Nowhere, under any conditions, had they seen any blue berry plants grow like mine. They tell you not to fertilize them the first year.I ignored their unscientific statements and mixed my own nutrients, weighed them on a grain scale and made several small applications the first year. I harvested 2000 pints after one years growth on 400 plants. If I had never pruned them, they would be 50 feet tall by now. The head man from the state college was in my field munching blue berries. I told him, ... I sent you one sample and it said this soil would not grow blueberries. Since then, I have not wanted to confuse the FACTS with your Theories, so I have send no more soil sample. The moral is, some people are growers, and others think they are. To give you one more real world example, I can grow 150 to 200 bell peppers on a plant. I had one limb break off a plant that had 35 peppers on it. And I used some chemicals by the definitions of others. In my opinion, I used nutrients. Usually I remove about 75 % of the peppers, and eat them whole, right off the plant. Never any thing sprayed on the plants to keep me from doing this. Sometimes I get busy is why that one limb had 35 peppers on it. Be experimenting with minor minerals, I learned things that few people know. Full size tomatoes will grow full clusters 1 inch apart on the main plant. And for that batch, I have a computer print out of every batch of nutrients I mixed for the whole year. Guess if you wish, but I don't. I data log EC, PH and can measure the nutrient absorption based on the brightest sunlight during the day. Fortunately, my friends, many with doctors degree in horticulture taught me a lot. I taught myself a lot. And guess what taught me the rest of the story ? The Plants themselves did. I can spot one wilted leaf near 100 yards away. I wonder about that Winnipeg crowd. I doubt that they can grow green grass on the lawn. grin Any good questions, I might be able to answer them. We should be on the OFF TOPIC list, however most things about plant nutrients apply to humans also. Little was said about chelation, cation exchange, enzymes, and other aspects. Lots of complex things happen in growing media. Think about how nutrients and minerals get to the top of the tallest RED WOOD trees. That is a near miracle within itself but it happens in all plants, short or tall. A step at a time. I rest my case on this issue. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemical fertilizers or Plant Nutrients
On Sep 3, 2007, at 9:09 AM, CWFugitt wrote: because of the massive quantities applied and the destructive nature of chemical fertilizers on soil nutrient holding structures. The high solubilities of chemical fertilizers also exacerbate their tendency to degrade ecosystems. Sounds like a religious statement, rather than a scientific one. Here in Minnesota, they worry about the phosporous, because it grows too much algea, and that makes the lakes poisonous. Kills fish, makes people sick just breathing it. The problem here is from both lawn chemicals (in the city) and from agriculture and cattle pasture (too much manure and urine?). -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yes, and I wouldn't think *anyone* fertilizes Redwoods, they do it all on their own! Surely the only reason to fertilize plants is to make them yield more? This being the case, it isn't necessarily *better* for them to yield more just more profitable for man. I would have thought it far better to let plants do their own thing with just water, to be ecologically friendly that is, and I still think it has to be better to go natural as far as is possible with all things. I too, rest my case. Dee ---Original Message--- Think about how nutrients and minerals get to the top of the tallest RED WOOD trees. That is a near miracle within itself but it happens in all plants, short or tall. A step at a time. I rest my case on this issue. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yes, and I wouldn't think *anyone* fertilizes Redwoods, they do it all ontheir own! That has nothing to do with the point I made about redwoods. You missed that point also. It puzzled people for years how the water and nutrients got to the top. 231 feet high = 100 psi. Each foot = .43 psi. Calcualate the pressure required to get any liquid to the top. Surely the only reason to fertilize plants is to make them yield more? Funny ! Your logic is flawed. The only reason to fertilize humans is to make them yield more ! You have to keep them alive first. Bloom, Set fruit, .. that is all a bit complicated for a NON GROWER. This being the case, it isn't necessarily *better* for them to yield more just more profitable for man. I would have thought it far better to let plants do their own thing with just water, to be ecologically friendly that is, and I still think it has to be better to go natural as far as is possible with all things. I too, rest my case. Dee You want all mankind to starve it appears. You don't need to REST yours. It is barely started. I guess you can make wine from Water also. Most of this whole discussion is downright funny and absurd as I hate to say it,... most of you people know nothing and should not be even talking about it. ( Sorry if that upsets anyone, but that is the way I see it ) Note I did not say ALL, I said Most. you are only included if you include yourself. So, if you are insulted you did it, no me ! Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemical fertilizers or Plant Nutrients
This smacks of '(s)he protests too much' Wayne. Considering there is an enormous glut of food in the western world which is actually left to rot, I don't think the 'world starving' thing is relevant to us, and I'm sure third world countries would have more organic fertilizer to use than chemical. And I didn't miss the point about Redwoods, just raised another one. I'm not in the slightest bit insulted but I have to say that you sound a tad tetchy, if you don't mind my saying so! Dee ---Original Message--- From: CWFugitt Date: 03/09/2007 20:32:59 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSChemical fertilizers or Plant Nutrients That has nothing to do with the point I made about redwoods. You missed that point also. It puzzled people for years how the water and Nutrients got to the top. You have to keep them alive first. Bloom, Set fruit, .. That is all a bit complicated for a NON GROWER. You want all mankind to starve it appears. You don't need to REST yours. It is barely started. I guess you can make wine from Water also. Most of this whole discussion is downright funny and absurd As I hate to say it,... Most of you people know nothing and should not Be even talking about it. ( Sorry if that upsets anyone, but that is the Way I see it ) Note I did not say ALL, I said Most. You are only included if you include yourself. So, if you are insulted you did it, no me ! Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemical fertilizers or Plant Nutrients
Good message. At 01:14 PM 9/3/2007, you wrote: On Sep 3, 2007, at 9:09 AM, CWFugitt wrote: because of the massive quantities applied and the destructive nature of chemical fertilizers on soil nutrient holding structures. The high solubilities of chemical fertilizers also exacerbate their tendency to degrade ecosystems. Sounds like a religious statement, rather than a scientific one. Here in Minnesota, they worry about the phosporous, because it grows too much algea, and that makes the lakes poisonous. Kills fish, makes people sick just breathing it. The problem here is from both lawn chemicals (in the city) and from agriculture and cattle pasture (too much manure and urine?). These points are well taken and understood. My sympathy. They still left out the problem and the potential solutions. Soil Science was not mentioned. Yes, I know a little about that also. Specific things must exist in soils in order for them to hold on to nutrients. I guess they gave no credit or discredit to the lousy, ruined, over used and dead soil. Tons and tons of topsoil are washed into the rivers and oceans. Recently a relative purchased some land about 25 miles from the city. He asked me to go by and select a garden spot. I did as he asked and hated to tell him. You have no place. There is NO TOP soil on that hill. You cannot grow anything unless you build some raised beds or haul in some topsoil. The three main elements of soil are, Sand, Silt, and Clay. Other minor components exist, or better exist. Darn, I guess I best set up another list for Fertilize, Organics, and Growing secrets. Not sure I want to give away all my secrets yet. I could teach some of you how to grow things, and I might even use organic stuff. In actuality I do, as I said, from 3 to 6 different items. I only disagree with the technical concept sold to the people. I don't disagree with the value and the results. But I have a hard time calculating the ppm for organic stuff. I like numbers games when they can apply. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemical fertilizers or Plant Nutrients
At 02:43 PM 9/3/2007, you wrote: I'm not in the slightest bit insulted but I have to say that you sound a tad tetchy, if you don't mind my saying so! Dee Yes, you are right. I appreciate your understanding. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemical fertilizers or Plant Nutrients
Most of this whole discussion is downright funny and absurd as I hate to say it,... most of you people know nothing and should not be even talking about it. ( Sorry if that upsets anyone, but that is the way I see it ) Note I did not say ALL, I said Most. you are only included if you include yourself. So, if you are insulted you did it, no me ! Wayne . Gee Wayne, if you are not insulting anyone then to whom are your remarks addressed? The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemical fertilizers or Plant Nutrients
On Sep 3, 2007, at 2:45 PM, CWFugitt wrote: Good message. At 01:14 PM 9/3/2007, you wrote: On Sep 3, 2007, at 9:09 AM, CWFugitt wrote: because of the massive quantities applied and the destructive nature of chemical fertilizers on soil nutrient holding structures. The high solubilities of chemical fertilizers also exacerbate their tendency to degrade ecosystems. Sounds like a religious statement, rather than a scientific one. Here in Minnesota, they worry about the phosporous, because it grows too much algea, and that makes the lakes poisonous. Kills fish, makes people sick just breathing it. The problem here is from both lawn chemicals (in the city) and from agriculture and cattle pasture (too much manure and urine?). These points are well taken and understood. My sympathy. They still left out the problem and the potential solutions. That is true, they want us to believe that lawn fertilizer is a significant portion of the water pollution problem of the state. After all, if they talk like that, it distracts people from really looking into the problem. It is one thing in the city, and there are other things in the water table- like in my town, the old creosote plant which poisoned some wells. A far bigger water pollution issue is the decades old chemical residue from 3M, which is a serious problem that seems to keep being covered up. That chemical (Iforget which one it is) pops up in odd places, not exactly where one would expect it- so it has migrated. Also, the pollution event predates our current understanding in pollution control. Back to lawns, they do say to not use much on the lawns, but you really have to dig to get the info to keep a lawn healthy without chemicals. It isn't easy. I did find some organic fertilizer at Home Depot, the man said it was a oldie but a goodie, been on the market for a very long time. And had nothing to do with Miracle grow. I guess it is all purpose, balanced. I plan to give it a try when I get around to it. I did take a class on soil science, so your triad sounds familiar- (smile) but it was a long time ago, and we all know that classes are great, but experience is the best thing. Soil Science was not mentioned. Yes, I know a little about that also. Specific things must exist in soils in order for them to hold on to nutrients. I guess they gave no credit or discredit to the lousy, ruined, over used and dead soil. Tons and tons of topsoil are washed into the rivers and oceans. Recently a relative purchased some land about 25 miles from the city. He asked me to go by and select a garden spot. I did as he asked and hated to tell him. You have no place. There is NO TOP soil on that hill. You cannot grow anything unless you build some raised beds or haul in some topsoil. The three main elements of soil are, Sand, Silt, and Clay. Other minor components exist, or better exist. Darn, I guess I best set up another list for Fertilize, Organics, and Growing secrets. Not sure I want to give away all my secrets yet. I could teach some of you how to grow things, and I might even use organic stuff. In actuality I do, as I said, from 3 to 6 different items. I only disagree with the technical concept sold to the people. I don't disagree with the value and the results. But I have a hard time calculating the ppm for organic stuff. I like numbers games when they can apply. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemical fertilizers or Plant Nutrients
At 05:14 PM 9/3/2007, you wrote: Gee Wayne, if you are not insulting anyone then to whom are your remarks addressed? No one in particular. That just came to mind. We have been dealing with a relatively new science. Very important of course. It would be good if we could boil down the facts, theories, and political hype. The issue is too important for confusion. I hope I did not make it worse. At lease maybe I provided some Food for Thought. Most farmers and hobby growers are still working by the seat of the pants. Facts and proven ideas exist but are often buried deep. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: food nutrients
In the US Library of Congress there is a document that was filed in the mid 1930s;'34/'35/'36 by a Congessional commission that stated that the food being grown as of that time was very deficient in nutritive value and it was imperative that a drastic change in farming methods be made. It's called Senate Document 264, which was presented to the 2nd Session of the 74th Congress in 1936. snip The full document can be read here: http://www.crystal-loid.com/264/sen264.htm Use the source, Luke (from the Senate's own website): http://tinyurl.com/27l7pu Scroll down to the 'Selected Documents' section, it is the fourth from the bottom - a PDF scan of the original document... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: SOCS: re food nutrients /Jodi...Harold
Thanks so much for this forward...I have copied out the document to read in detail ...and have sent it to everyone I know online. GOOD READ...V. In a message dated 5/7/2007 11:42:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jwmen...@cox.net writes: Harold MacDonald wrote on 5/7/2007, 5:19 PM: In the US Library of Congress there is a document that was filed in the mid 1930s;'34/'35/'36 by a Congessional commission that stated that the food being grown as of that time was very deficient in nutritive value and it was imperative that a drastic change in farming methods be made. It's called Senate Document 264, which was presented to the 2nd Session of the 74th Congress in 1936. Was anything done???very little if any change because chemical fertilizers were so much cheaper.Consequently the food is sorely in need of something,and I see it as supplementing.There is no way I can eat enough fresh,raw foods to get the right amount of nutrients.How else do you explain the poor health of so many people,the huge cost to the medical system? Right on Harold. Touche' At one time an apple a day kept the Dr. away,now it would take 26 apples a day to do it. I had the link to said document but lost it some years ago when my comp. died. There were a couple parts of this document that blew my mind when I read it, because back then, I didn't know as much about the effects of nutritional deficencies. I'll never forget the part about the research done on mice, or what was said about spinach. The full document can be read here: http://www.crystal-loid.com/264/sen264.htm [Just keep clicking 'next' at the bottom right after reading each page.] Jodi ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
CSCS: re food nutrients
In the US Library of Congress there is a document that was filed in the mid 1930s;'34/'35/'36 by a Congessional commission that stated that the food being grown as of that time was very deficient in nutritive value and it was imperative that a drastic change in farming methods be made. Was anything done???very little if any change because chemical fertilizers were so much cheaper.Consequently the food is sorely in need of something,and I see it as supplementing.There is no way I can eat enough fresh,raw foods to get the right amount of nutrients.How else do you explain the poor health of so many people,the huge cost to the medical system? At one time an apple a day kept the Dr. away,now it would take 26 apples a day to do it. I had the link to said document but lost it some years ago when my comp. died. Harold -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: SOCS: re food nutrients
Harold MacDonald wrote on 5/7/2007, 5:19 PM: In the US Library of Congress there is a document that was filed in the mid 1930s;'34/'35/'36 by a Congessional commission that stated that the food being grown as of that time was very deficient in nutritive value and it was imperative that a drastic change in farming methods be made. It's called Senate Document 264, which was presented to the 2nd Session of the 74th Congress in 1936. Was anything done???very little if any change because chemical fertilizers were so much cheaper.Consequently the food is sorely in need of something,and I see it as supplementing.There is no way I can eat enough fresh,raw foods to get the right amount of nutrients.How else do you explain the poor health of so many people,the huge cost to the medical system? Right on Harold. Touche' At one time an apple a day kept the Dr. away,now it would take 26 apples a day to do it. I had the link to said document but lost it some years ago when my comp. died. There were a couple parts of this document that blew my mind when I read it, because back then, I didn't know as much about the effects of nutritional deficencies. I'll never forget the part about the research done on mice, or what was said about spinach. The full document can be read here: http://www.crystal-loid.com/264/sen264.htm [Just keep clicking 'next' at the bottom right after reading each page.] Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSoils depleted for sure. ( Plant Nutrients )
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Re: CSSoils depleted for sure. ( Plant Nutrients )
Good points! I know many 'new age' farmers/greenhouse growers and they are all extremely studious of the latest sciences of ecological interaction and don't hesitate to experiment. They grow the best tomatoes I've ever eaten, well worth the twice per pound rate of those cardboard store tomatoes. The prices are coming down and quantities going up. The whacko reactionary anti evil agribiz element around here have greenhouses too [built by the previously mentioned, not them], but can't seem to run one. All study and debate..no do. Ode I think we would all agree, the nutrient content of virtually all foods have declined. Our biggest problem is that we don't eat enough food, compared with our ancestors. They worked hard and often ate 10,000 calories per day. We must acknowledge they were mining nutrients from this large quantity of food. The low calorie diet of most people today simply cannot supply an the needed nutrients. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: 8/5/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: 8/5/2006
CSSoils depleted for sure. ( Plant Nutrients )
Morning Ode, At 06:24 AM 8/6/2006, you wrote: I don't disagree with your thesis on plant nutrition. While is it a slightly different view, it appears to come from experience, observation, and study. Many of us believe a lot alike but often state it differently. My observations and study have been closer to the commercial trend over the years while dealing with greenhouse growers, vegetable scientists, and horticulturists. One of these people told a friend that I was the best outside tomato grower he had ever seen. When I give tomatoes to an 80 year old farmer and he says, they are the best he has ever eaten in his life, and then says the same about corn I have grown, I can produce the flavor and taste. I won't say the best tasting produce has the most nutrients, but there must be some relationship. This year was the first time in 26 years I have not grown any produce where I live simply because I was out of state during the spring. When I got home, all my friends gave me tomatoes. The taste and flavor varied greatly. One source is the most technical growers around. I taught him the basics and he has now passed me in knowledge. He grows both outside and in greenhouses. He uses one of the most scientific nutrients available and his tomatoes were best. Another, somehow, grew almost tasteless tomatoes with no acid. Others were somewhere in between. I have sent tissue samples to the state college several times and they always come back with the same report, No deficiencies. Then there is the story of the chemistry professor that assigned his students the task to find the Vitamin C in oranges. After a series of tests, the students were getting worried. Finally he told them, There is no vitamin C in the oranges. I certainly hope the depleted nutrients in foods is not as bad as some stories sound. Dr. Joel Wallach has a recent CD release that puts specific percents on nutrient depletion. It also covers some very old people around the world and how little decent food they eat. One of my original ideas, ... I think. What you don't eat is more important that what you do eat. What you don't drink is more important that what you do drink. I think we would all agree, the nutrient content of virtually all foods have declined. Our biggest problem is that we don't eat enough food, compared with our ancestors. They worked hard and often ate 10,000 calories per day. We must acknowledge they were mining nutrients from this large quantity of food. The low calorie diet of most people today simply cannot supply an the needed nutrients. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSoils depleted for sure. ( Plant Nutrients )
Hello Wayne, would you mind ellaborating on your methods of growing tomato and corn? I am very interested. Thank you, Rex - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwfug...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: CSSoils depleted for sure. ( Plant Nutrients ) Morning Ode, At 06:24 AM 8/6/2006, you wrote: I don't disagree with your thesis on plant nutrition. While is it a slightly different view, it appears to come from experience, observation, and study. Many of us believe a lot alike but often state it differently. My observations and study have been closer to the commercial trend over the years while dealing with greenhouse growers, vegetable scientists, and horticulturists. One of these people told a friend that I was the best outside tomato grower he had ever seen. When I give tomatoes to an 80 year old farmer and he says, they are the best he has ever eaten in his life, and then says the same about corn I have grown, I can produce the flavor and taste. I won't say the best tasting produce has the most nutrients, but there must be some relationship. This year was the first time in 26 years I have not grown any produce where I live simply because I was out of state during the spring. When I got home, all my friends gave me tomatoes. The taste and flavor varied greatly. One source is the most technical growers around. I taught him the basics and he has now passed me in knowledge. He grows both outside and in greenhouses. He uses one of the most scientific nutrients available and his tomatoes were best. Another, somehow, grew almost tasteless tomatoes with no acid. Others were somewhere in between. I have sent tissue samples to the state college several times and they always come back with the same report, No deficiencies. Then there is the story of the chemistry professor that assigned his students the task to find the Vitamin C in oranges. After a series of tests, the students were getting worried. Finally he told them, There is no vitamin C in the oranges. I certainly hope the depleted nutrients in foods is not as bad as some stories sound. Dr. Joel Wallach has a recent CD release that puts specific percents on nutrient depletion. It also covers some very old people around the world and how little decent food they eat. One of my original ideas, ... I think. What you don't eat is more important that what you do eat. What you don't drink is more important that what you do drink. I think we would all agree, the nutrient content of virtually all foods have declined. Our biggest problem is that we don't eat enough food, compared with our ancestors. They worked hard and often ate 10,000 calories per day. We must acknowledge they were mining nutrients from this large quantity of food. The low calorie diet of most people today simply cannot supply an the needed nutrients. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: 8/5/06
Re: CSSoils depleted for sure. ( Plant Nutrients )
Evening Rex, At 10:49 AM 8/6/2006, you wrote: Hello Wayne, would you mind ellaborating on your methods of growing tomato and corn? I am very interested. Thank you, Rex Will reply to the Off Topic List. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: nutrients
Jim, Unfortunately I have not read these booksbut I find merit in these concepts. Yet I have seen the killoff of verii and bacteriun from CS in petri dishes at the University here. That is the reason the Prof's are helping me. I believe in the body, however, it may react with different MO. We do find it does kill the TB bacterium in the lungsbut then again that is in an air culture (in the lungs) and not inside the blood network system. This train of thought appears to be going in a proper direction although many things also show Herx from the intake of CS. By increase of the blood Ph and urine Ph we can tell that dead matter is floating around and being disposed of by the liver. For those only using CS and not Rife this could place a small wrench in this hypothisis..but maybe not. Cisco jein...@troi.csw.net wrote: HI, just a note, the gram neg rod serratia plymuyhica is more easily destroyed in the body with a more alkaline ph. ph5.5 and no antibiotic will kill it--this research in med art. once not thought so seriuos and rare in humans, this is being disp[roven. Not as pop as cousin martcesecsn-sp? but that is what i have now sll over sepsis. not making much headway, th gent may be toostong--gentamycin. so i styarted taking bICARB ONCE a day, some diff. we'll see. Pray and remember the body is different everyone's is so postulate and educate but being a clinician who listens to ,pt and gets clues from body is imp. also pt listening to body to rtespond is imp too many sticks no veins left sdo going lomnline-can't tpe either one hand back to bed Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: nutrients
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 13:43:07 -0700 From: Cisco ci...@iftech.net To:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: nutrients Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com Jim, One thing we have varified is the blood does go Acid in its Ph when a massive Herxheimer occurs. This is espically noticable under Rife treatments but has been varified via one of those little Japanese Ph testers we got for trial. We noted the swing began and could be timed at two hours after treatment of Rife and 4 hours after large ingestion of CS (2 ounces). This prompted us to look into manner in which we could quickly clear the system to help allow the liver to detoxify. Thus the ingestion of Papaya and large amounts of distilled water. This greatly improved the Ph in a matter of a few hours whereas the untreated Herx reactions could and did last upwards of 12 hours before noticablle swing in Ph occured. Cisco, This is very interesting. And it makes sense that the blood would go acid in a herxheimer. Also, I would be interested to learn about the Japanese pH tester. Does it test blood pH from a drop of blood? (I assume it does!) One thing you might try to flush the system better in a herxheimer is a coffee enema. Brew a quart of coffee (use the caffine kind) and put in an enema bag at body temp. Have them take the bag in and lay first on right side then on left turning every so often for at least 15 minutes. Then they expel the coffee. This opens the liver up and lets it flush out the toxins. If a person has trouble holding the 15 min. you might try giving them a regular enema first to clean out the bowel. This will help them hold the coffee longer. Also, make sure they get the enema tub into the bowel about 18 to 24 inches so the coffee gets to the liver. If you try this, I think you will see a great improvement in releaf of the herxheimer, plus the person will get rid of a lot more toxins and will feel better much quicker! We unfortunately do not and can not offer a IV Bicarb to the patient if Massive Herx happens by over exposure to Rife so we must be very careful of exposures. I get very concerned with the PPM values and the amounts of Silver I hear people are ingesting. The levels we utilize seem low when compared to many I have read and heard about on various lists. We utilize a tablespoon to two tablespoons daily and our measurements show somewhere in the neighborhood of 7-10 PPM. I would not suggest the 100PPM I have seen people discussbut then I can only speak for myself and the tests we do as a team. Those who feel it is safe to do may do as they please but even with CS I feel there are threshholds we have yet to have time to study. Again, use the coffee enema, and you may be able to give a greater exposure of rife or more CS. Go slow with any experiments in doing this. The Ph in the blood appears to react directly to treatment, intake of foods, infections, and bacterial influence. In several tests we have found the stabilization of the blood Ph within 4 hours on those who had Disentary.I have yet to conclude why this is so unless the removal of the bacterium from the lower intestine cleared the system to promote its own balancing.eh...dunno...it just happend that way. AS we begin to compare notes we may be able to corrolate some of the differing factors and draw some lines between Bacterial and Verii as to reaction of the Blood and Urines Ph values when CS is ingested. If differing reactions occur this could offer us some diagnostic tools as well. Yes, I believe that. We don't realize that everything we ingest, as well as many thing we apply to our skin, will change the overall pH of the blood and body! Cisco, keep up this good research and keep me posted. When I see something on this end of interest, I'll let you know! Take care and God Bless you, my friend! Jim Cisco jein...@troi.csw.net wrote: Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:39:02 -0700 From: Cisco ci...@iftech.net To:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: nutrients Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com Jim, Unfortunately I have not read these booksbut I find merit in these concepts. Yet I have seen the killoff of verii and bacteriun from CS in petri dishes at the University here. That is the reason the Prof's are helping me. I believe in the body, however, it may react with different MO. We do find it does kill the TB bacterium in the lungsbut then again that is in an air culture (in the lungs) and not inside the blood network system. Hi Cisco, One of the things Enderlein says is that when the bacteria reverts back to the non-pathogenic form it is too small to see with a light microscope. So some of that could be happening here as well. I am just learning this stuff, so I don't yet have a real good understanding of it either
Re: NUTRIENTS
Genny and List, Colliodal Copper is considered toxic to humans when taken in large amounts. But for plants I would like to hear something tested on that subject. We have entire farms effected by leaf molds which CS has a great effect on but some of the different types it only slows the progression. I will attempt to make some myselfI have a peach tree being destroyed by this mold and if this does the trick we could be on to something here!~ Getting away from the toxic chemicals Dow and others create for our environment and the slow poisoning of our water supplies as well as our selves has always been a concern for anyone who handles them. Would it not be strange to find another useful tool from this group which can help a food supply...even our own? Cisco Zeigler, Virginia A. x1969 wrote: Hi, Everyone! Here in Virginia just about everything we try to grow is attacked by one sort of fungus or another (not to mention japanese beetles etc.). We end up buying all sorts of fungicides and insecticides, which nobody wants to handle because of how toxic they are to humans and animals. I am excited about the prospect of using some CS as a foliar spray on my tomatoes, grapes, roses etc. I have some powdered copper, which is supposed to be an effective fungacide, but which plugs up the sprayer is otherwise messy enough that noone bothers to use itI wonder if colloidal copper might not be more useful. Just a thought Also, I wonder if the CS would kill the nematodes (not the beneficial nematodes which kill grubs in the lawn) which ruin carrots and raise havoc with the roots of other plants??? Ginny -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: nutrients
-Original Message- From: Darryl Jones vital.ea...@hunterlink.net.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 9:04 PM Subject: Re: nutrients Darryl, You are harsh! But am I factual is a better question? Any broad spectrum anti- biotic such as colloidal silver can not discriminate between good and bad bacteria ...though I think here we should have terms like pathogenic and non pathogenic. Correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that CS is NOT an antibiotic. If I am not mistaken, antibiotics generally come from mold and bacteria. I'm not sure how you would classify CS, maybe antibiotic-like. More likely is that CS is in another class altogether. Antibiotics kill bacteria only. Apparently, CS can kill bacteria, virus, and any simple, single cell organism. How are we made up of bacteria ?... I have never heard of that before? We may not be made up of bacteria, but no doubt bacteria are vital to our life processes. Bacteria are present in our mouths, on our skin, and in our digestive tracts to name a few. Lactobacillus Acidophilus, and Bifidobacterium Bifidum are a few that I take daily to keep my digestion functioning properly. And yes I can tell you from experience, you can kill off the good bacteria with CS. I use it sparingly, internally because it tends to mess up my digestion. By adding Acidophilus/Bifidum back to the system, I can counteract the effect somewhat. Others don't seem to have this problem and I really don't know why. Just a side note, in the absence of the proper intestinal floura, candida yeast can take over and make you pretty sick. I'm fighting something along this order right now I think. As for the whole argument about whether to apply CS to the soil, I think the truth lies somewhere between both opinions expressed. I see that CS could be useful to kill molds, fungus and etc., and I can also see that CS could ultimately cause some problems for the soil. It is bacteria that converts dead organisms into plant and animal usable molecules. Bacteria is also apparently responsible for nitrogen-fixing. To quote my trusty World Book Encyclopedia, Without these bacteria, the soil and water would soon become poor in nitrogen, and all plants and animals would die. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: nutrients
-Original Message- From: Darryl vital.ea...@hunterlink.net.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 5:32 AM Subject: Re: nutrients Darryl, You make some good points, however. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it isn't the fact that you disagree with people, it is the way you go about it that causes the problem. You may have noticed that I pointed out that you make some good points. I guess it bugs me a bit to see someone trying to contribute something and their ideas are called dumb and ignorant. The person who contributed this experience (Cisco) has had some good information for some of us. Maybe the idea of using CS in the irigation is not one of the best ideas, but hardly dumb or ignorant. People here are experimenting and learning. Some things work and some don't. I'm not opposed to pointing out error. I am not being combative for the sake of it, but don't you think we loose credibility here if we accept stuff just because it is contributed [ I do. Don't you also think we lose credibility if we forgoe common courtesy in our discourse? facts, not fantasies or apologies after all he contributed the information as facts ...someone not knowing otherwise would make a big error in accepting those facts and implementing them, C/S would suffer, as would the user of C/S ...and all because just the opposite case was not put up forcefully enough! Forcefully yes, rudely no. The quickest way to send a bunch of people packing from a discussion is to let it deteriate into name calling and bashing. Your idea is incorrect is forcefull, Your idea is stupid is rude. Perhaps a sharper tone will cause people to think or check their facts before they post, and that would mean a more useful and reliable source of knowledge, then again I may have strayed on to a social ritual that would prefer niceties to truth. Someone please demolish my argument, not demolish me. I was not interested in doing either. Darryyl . -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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I don't know anything about spraying soils, but it works for spraying plants. I sprayed diseased, yellow, geraniums with BioMin minerals and colloid of silver from Total Health Concepts, and the plants became green and healthy. For a BioMin study, see: http://hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~jinouy01/totalhealth/biomin.html About making statements--In the law of court, if you are a witness to something, your word is credible (providing you yourself are trustworthy). Since Cisco is speaking from experience, I would believe him, rather than your intellectualizations, however well-reasoned. I would suggest that you experiment with colloid of silver, then report your findings. It would be simple to buy a cheap plant and water it with a diluted colloidal silver mixture to test your hypothesis. I'd be very interested to hear about your results. :) Joyce Inouye jinou...@hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us On Thu, 21 May 1998 jein...@troi.csw.net wrote: (snip) Someone prove that sterilising the soil with an antibiotic like C/S will make for healthy plants please step forward ... If I am wrong this time and Cisco is right it is up to him and others to demonstrate that with facts, not fantasies or apologies after all he contributed the information as facts ...someone not knowing otherwise would make a big error in accepting those facts and implementing them, C/S would suffer, as would the user of C/S ...and all because just the opposite case was not put up forcefully enough! (snip) Someone please demolish my argument, not demolish me. Darryyl . -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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Darryl, You are harsh! But am I factual is a better question? That is your way of doing things, I can stop that. I agree that you do make some good points. I also agree that CS may not be good for the soil. But lets look at this from a different perspective. (Mind you, I don't have any proof one way or another, this is just an idea I have.) What if the CS only distroys the bad bacteria, or if you are of the school of thought that thinks bacteria can change from good to bad and back again (which I believe it can) then maybe the CS is not killing the bacteria at all, but only changing it back to a good form. This is streching the bow to flat. Any broad spectrum anti- biotic such as colloidal silver can not discriminate between good and bad bacteria ...though I think here we should have terms like pathogenic and non pathogenic. If this is the case, the soil would only benefit from being sprayed with CS, just as the body benefits from CS. I still don't get it. What are we killing in the soil that is so harmful? We are made up of bacteria much like the soil, and the CS does not make us barren! How are we made up of bacteria ?... I have never heard of that before? regards Darryyll Just a way to look at it different. God Bless you all! Jim Einert, N.D. Darryl, You make some good points, however. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it isn't the fact that you disagree with people, it is the way you go about it that causes the problem. Well why pussy foot around ? Why should communications here be all nice touchy, feeley stuff ? If we are to get to the truth about the use and abuse of C/S silver then if some of us have some really factual stuff to put up why not simply put it up ...if that means demolishing something that is nonsense what better way to do it if someone else puts up something to knock out a wrongly held belief by me, I will be better off for it if they have to apologise for putting me right just to keep some feel good thing going, it might not knock out the wrongly held belief in me, or others. I am not being combative for the sake of it, but don't you think we loose credibility here if we accept stuff just because it is contributed [ From me or others! ] Someone prove that sterilising the soil with an antibiotic like C/S will make for healthy plants please step forward ... If I am wrong this time and Cisco is right it is up to him and others to demonstrate that with facts, not fantasies or apologies after all he contributed the information as facts ...someone not knowing otherwise would make a big error in accepting those facts and implementing them, C/S would suffer, as would the user of C/S ...and all because just the opposite case was not put up forcefully enough! There are plenty of places on the Internet to have social chit chat, and accept any theory simply because you don't want to offend a new found friend, but they will not become repositories of truth, useful, or factual information, when people are here searching for what could be life or death knowledge. Perhaps a sharper tone will cause people to think or check their facts before they post, and that would mean a more useful and reliable source of knowledge, then again I may have strayed on to a social ritual that would prefer niceties to truth. Someone please demolish my argument, not demolish me. Darryyl . -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: nutrients
X-To: silver-list@eskimo.com From: Darryl Jones vital.ea...@hunterlink.net.au To:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: nutrients Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:33:05 +1000 Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com Darryl, Sorry, I guess I got over your head with this post. I have been studying dark field microscopy and the ideals of Dr. Enderlein of Germany. Let me see if I can explain this in a nutshell. If you look at live blood under the dark field microscope, you can see the bacteria in the blood. Under a normal balanced chemistry this bacteria is considered a good bacteria. It helps us digest our food, and it helps the cells uptake the food. It also makes vitamins and enzymes. But, when the body chemistry starts to drift away from the normal levels, the bacteria change to a higher form, and the more the chemistry gets off the higher the form. Some of these forms are fungus, cell wall deficient, even virus. Once the chemistry balance is again normalized, the bacteria again revert back to the good form. And yes the good form is non-pathogenic, the bad form is pathogenic. According to Enderlein, this bacterial form cannot be destroyed. It lives on even after our death. If what Enderlein said was true (and I believe it is.) then we are not really killing these bacteria, but only reverting them back to non-pathogenic forms where they once again become beneficial. So, my point is that the CS sprayed on the soil may in fact keep the bacteria from becoming pathogenic, and if it has already became pathogenic then the CS may be reversing it back to a non-pathogenic form. There is much scientific evidence all the way back over 100 years to prove these ideas. It all started with Bechamp in France who said that bacteria changes to many forms. But the concept of a different bacteria/virus for every disease was brought out at the same time by Pasteur, and the scientific community believed Pasteur. (Actually it started before Bechamp by someone else, can't remember his name, but on his death bed Pasteur admitted that man was right all along!) Well, I hope you are not overly confused. This subject gets very deep. I don't have a full understanding of it myself, but I continue to learn. Check below for my reply to your individual questions. Darryl, You are harsh! But am I factual is a better question? I don't know. We don't always have a way of checking to be sure what we say is fact. So called facts have a way of changing over time. It was once a fact that man could not fly. But that is no longer a fact. That is your way of doing things, I can stop that. I agree that you do make some good points. I also agree that CS may not be good for the soil. But lets look at this from a different perspective. (Mind you, I don't have any proof one way or another, this is just an idea I have.) What if the CS only distroys the bad bacteria, or if you are of the school of thought that thinks bacteria can change from good to bad and back again (which I believe it can) then maybe the CS is not killing the bacteria at all, but only changing it back to a good form. This is streching the bow to flat. Any broad spectrum anti- biotic such as colloidal silver can not discriminate between good and bad bacteria ...though I think here we should have terms like pathogenic and non pathogenic. Not at all. If the idea I gave you above is true, the silver doesn't kill anything, it only changes it or brings it back to balance, which is not such a great feat at all! If this is the case, the soil would only benefit from being sprayed with CS, just as the body benefits from CS. I still don't get it. What are we killing in the soil that is so harmful? Again, are we KILLING anything. Maybe not! We are made up of bacteria much like the soil, and the CS does not make us barren! How are we made up of bacteria ?... I have never heard of that before? I think I explained that above. Take care! Jim regards Darryyll Just a way to look at it different. God Bless you all! Jim Einert, N.D. Darryl, You make some good points, however. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it isn't the fact that you disagree with people, it is the way you go about it that causes the problem. Well why pussy foot around ? Why should communications here be all nice touchy, feeley stuff ? If we are to get to the truth about the use and abuse of C/S silver then if some of us have some really factual stuff to put up why not simply put it up ...if that means demolishing something that is nonsense what better way to do it if someone else puts up something to knock out a wrongly held belief by me, I will be better off for it if they have to apologise for putting me right just to keep some feel good thing going, it might not knock out the wrongly held belief
Re: nutrients
Darryl, I dont have a lot of time to waste on conversation with you on a subject which we work with daily. So.. I wasted two hours of my time taking your and my Argument to the Botanical Studies Group at UOG (University of Guam). I work closely with three of the Professors there in a attempt to use R/B to kill a mite which is killing american beesthey also have helped me with the CS being utilized in the outer islands here and in Indonesia as well a Papua New Guinea. They like myself disagree with your thinking. As we use this product not only to treat the soil but also the plants with good result I have no further reason to argue on this subject, I am satisfied your inncorrect. As to your apology, it is insincere and self serving which does not supprize me. I will no longer respond to your comments or mailI prefer conversation which will help this list and those people who need the help to move forward and survive rather than waste time with verbiage and diatribe which misdirects, slows experimentation, hampers good conversation geared to find factual remidies other than personal point of view. Enjoy Life...you only get one shot! Cisco Darryl wrote: Dear Cisco Michael has asked me to apologise to you for my attack on your last post So I apologise for my attack on you in the manner I raised it ...and I will no longer use the words nutty or dumb or words like that to describe anything to anybody but the points I made minus the exclamation marks are still valid in respect to killing soil bacteria with C/S . and I note your following response is vastly more personal as an attack on me, than mine on you, so I expect Michael should also remind you to be civil. Darryl, -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: nutrients FINAL FLAME! off list from here!
Debbie, There are two Rife Forum Lists, one is called the Rife List, the other is called the Rifers List (which Stan Truman and myself seem to oversee). The Rifers List is more of a strict on topic list whereas Rife and Plazma emission Therapy is concerned, the Rife List has a more broad spectrum of conversation.I do not subscribe to the Rife List any longer as the THD (Total Harmonic Distortion) is to great for my eyes. To subscribe to the Rife List is simple... rife-list-requ...@eskimo.com in the subject matter type: subscribe and then your on line. TO join the Rifers List is a bit different you need to know someone on the list and they will gladly help you get a RSVP for joiningif your interested in the Rifers List please contact me or Stan Truman, we will gladly explain the rules and get you on line. The Rifers is for all people who need assistance or have a unit and simply wish to expand their experimentation, show new designs. We have a chat feature for those who have ICQ or we will get help to you for your system. Feel free to ask...we have only refused two people to the list as they cannot remain on topic for more than a couple of emails. Cisco -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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Listers, Sorry sometimes our third world devices dont function as we wish they would dothis was the email prior to my final to Darryl. It appears it never made it.sorry. Cisco ---BeginMessage--- Darryl, As usual you have jumped into something with your mouth in drive before your brain is in gear! I suspected such a rediculas responce from you so I came prepared! First, many plants are attacked and distroyed by rot, fungus, molds and mildews. This has been a problem for farmers for many years. As I farmed a small 180 acres for many years I can attest to the truth of this matter. And I used a chemical fungicide for that exact reason Second, we are not in your neck of the woods we are in the tropics where many fungi and bacterium exist which your intellectual concepts have never seen nor heard of. Third, replacing a trace element like silver into the ground is helpful to many plants. As the replacement of many trace elements are required as they are depleted by the plants themselves and the over use of the ground. Fourth, the concept of attempting to remove ground pollution created by human waste materials is not new nor is it a rediculas concept. Another thought you missed! Fifth, the usage of such small amounts of the CS has proven very good for our crops over the past two yearsbut then you have answers most dont! Sixth, the resultant storage of many different products has an effect of giving bacterium and molds a great place to growif you have ever been in a bean dryer or a corn bin you would have some simple concept of that factthis simply causes the product to have a longer holding life. Seventh, our soil here is so full of tanic acid from the gasses and natural break down of jungle that we need something to slow the process so simple things like corn and tomatoes can grow. But then your concepts never took that into concern did it? Your knoweledge of farming leaves a lot to be desiredyour concepts also show your ignorance to other areas of the world and their needs. My responce was to a person who was asking a questionone which you have mistaken in your usual rash manner. HOW TO REPLACE TRACE ELEMENTS OF SILVER IN THE SOIL! We have proven that it has a valueexcept to someone who has no concept of what starving people go through to save the stores of food which they meagerly pull from the earth. Best you communicate with the person off list before you continue to make a fool of yourself in public.SO, before you decide you have the definitive answer you better look into the place your sticking your foot. Cisco Darryl wrote: Whoa back Cisco What we have done to treat gardens, rice patties, corn and other acreage is a simple thing for soil treatment only. What exactly are you treating ??? Kill off the soil microbes with C/S as you would be doing, and you will totally eliminate any possible chance of the crop/plants etc taking up the nutrients that are vital for the crop/plants to be able to grow at all ! The obsession to kill microbes with C/S should be tempered with the fact that less than 1% of all microbes are pathogenic, less than 1% again of the pathogens are harmful to man Since I subscribed to the silver list this is about the dumbest thing I have read. It is either not what you do Cisco, or you should not be doing it. Too bad about the dumping I will now get. Soil microbes breakdown organic and other matter into humus and humus gasses to make the nutrients available to the plant for up take via the root system and also the stomata on the underside of the leaves of all plants kill of the soil microbes and you kill off the plant We take a 5 gallon bottle and make the stuff so strong it is nearly chocolate in color. Then we utilize a slow drip into the water supply being sprayed or irrigated into the field or patty. This does not allow for a contrlled amount persay but it does allow for the CS to get back to the soil. For what purpose are you treating the soil ??? It is not disease ridden, but will become as barren as Michael thinks it is, if you kill off the soil micro-organisms, and what ever plants you could grow in sterile soil, they would be sick beyond your worst imagination, that is if they grew at all !! Of 20 Rice Patties treated the results appeared to be good. We had less rot problems less mold and mildew, and the crops appeared to be slightly larger than usual (course that could have been weather related). We also had less insect problems. Sorry Cisco they are rice paddies not the edible type of patties What in fact exactly where the prior rot and mould and mildew problems ? None of these are normally harmful to anything in the soil or plants Plus the biomass in a healthy soil MUST contain these in big numbers. The rot, mildew, mould etc you speak of are fungi from the family of saprophytes, they consume only DEAD organic matter, and are not parasites
Re: nutrients FINAL FLAME! off list from here!
Darryl, Your insensitive, narrow minded, self centered concepts are the exact reason people who do things (ie. field work...go amongst the people) instead of intelectualize, leave places like thisyou talk but you have no action.your emotional self serving nature is rediculas...as to think your concepts have merit until proven wrongget a plane ticket come here and put your concepts to work, as in SAVE A LIFE. We have over 3000 people and 15 islands involved in what we do and we live what we say.all I ever hear from you is wordstangled with concepts untested and unfounded. You belittle people with your intellectual thoughts but we go in the field and prove our work we actually save livesexactly what do you do to prove yours? CS and information from this list has saved lives...PERIOD...and you stiffel what findings do help people and say your way is it until your proven wrongeh ...NOT! You would never be allowed on the Rifers List with such a closed mind and a insultatous nature.I am appalled at your thought that someone must prove YOU wrong before your eyes may possibly open.stop passing gas and do something other than critize peoples concepts who are in the field helping people and saving lives only with the tools thay have because people like you who have all the answers sit back and do nothing. Cisco Darryl wrote: Darryl, You make some good points, however. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it isn't the fact that you disagree with people, it is the way you go about it that causes the problem. Well why pussy foot around ? Why should communications here be all nice touchy, feeley stuff ? If we are to get to the truth about the use and abuse of C/S silver then if some of us have some really factual stuff to put up why not simply put it up ...if that means demolishing something that is nonsense what better way to do it if someone else puts up something to knock out a wrongly held belief by me, I will be better off for it if they have to apologise for putting me right just to keep some feel good thing going, it might not knock out the wrongly held belief in me, or others. I am not being combative for the sake of it, but don't you think we loose credibility here if we accept stuff just because it is contributed [ From me or others! ] Someone prove that sterilising the soil with an antibiotic like C/S will make for healthy plants please step forward ... If I am wrong this time and Cisco is right it is up to him and others to demonstrate that with facts, not fantasies or apologies after all he contributed the information as facts ...someone not knowing otherwise would make a big error in accepting those facts and implementing them, C/S would suffer, as would the user of C/S ...and all because just the opposite case was not put up forcefully enough! There are plenty of places on the Internet to have social chit chat, and accept any theory simply because you don't want to offend a new found friend, but they will not become repositories of truth, useful, or factual information, when people are here searching for what could be life or death knowledge. Perhaps a sharper tone will cause people to think or check their facts before they post, and that would mean a more useful and reliable source of knowledge, then again I may have strayed on to a social ritual that would prefer niceties to truth. Someone please demolish my argument, not demolish me. Darryyl . -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: nutrients
Darryl, As usual you have jumped into something with your mouth in drive before your brain is in gear! I suspected such a rediculas responce from you so I came prepared! First, many plants are attacked and distroyed by rot, fungus, molds and mildews. This has been a problem for farmers for many years. As I farmed a small 180 acres for many years I can attest to the truth of this matter. And I used a chemical fungicide for that exact reason Second, we are not in your neck of the woods we are in the tropics where many fungi and bacterium exist which your intellectual concepts have never seen nor heard of. Third, replacing a trace element like silver into the ground is helpful to many plants. As the replacement of many trace elements are required as they are depleted by the plants themselves and the over use of the ground. Fourth, the concept of attempting to remove ground pollution created by human waste materials is not new nor is it a rediculas concept. Another thought you missed! Fifth, the usage of such small amounts of the CS has proven very good for our crops over the past two yearsbut then you have answers most dont! Sixth, the resultant storage of many different products has an effect of giving bacterium and molds a great place to growif you have ever been in a bean dryer or a corn bin you would have some simple concept of that factthis simply causes the product to have a longer holding life. Seventh, our soil here is so full of tanic acid from the gasses and natural break down of jungle that we need something to slow the process so simple things like corn and tomatoes can grow. But then your concepts never took that into concern did it? Your knoweledge of farming leaves a lot to be desiredyour concepts also show your ignorance to other areas of the world and their needs. My responce was to a person who was asking a questionone which you have mistaken in your usual rash manner. HOW TO REPLACE TRACE ELEMENTS OF SILVER IN THE SOIL! We have proven that it has a valueexcept to someone who has no concept of what starving people go through to save the stores of food which they meagerly pull from the earth. Best you communicate with the person off list before you continue to make a fool of yourself in public.SO, before you decide you have the definitive answer you better look into the place your sticking your foot. Cisco Darryl wrote: Whoa back Cisco What we have done to treat gardens, rice patties, corn and other acreage is a simple thing for soil treatment only. What exactly are you treating ??? Kill off the soil microbes with C/S as you would be doing, and you will totally eliminate any possible chance of the crop/plants etc taking up the nutrients that are vital for the crop/plants to be able to grow at all ! The obsession to kill microbes with C/S should be tempered with the fact that less than 1% of all microbes are pathogenic, less than 1% again of the pathogens are harmful to man Since I subscribed to the silver list this is about the dumbest thing I have read. It is either not what you do Cisco, or you should not be doing it. Too bad about the dumping I will now get. Soil microbes breakdown organic and other matter into humus and humus gasses to make the nutrients available to the plant for up take via the root system and also the stomata on the underside of the leaves of all plants kill of the soil microbes and you kill off the plant We take a 5 gallon bottle and make the stuff so strong it is nearly chocolate in color. Then we utilize a slow drip into the water supply being sprayed or irrigated into the field or patty. This does not allow for a contrlled amount persay but it does allow for the CS to get back to the soil. For what purpose are you treating the soil ??? It is not disease ridden, but will become as barren as Michael thinks it is, if you kill off the soil micro-organisms, and what ever plants you could grow in sterile soil, they would be sick beyond your worst imagination, that is if they grew at all !! Of 20 Rice Patties treated the results appeared to be good. We had less rot problems less mold and mildew, and the crops appeared to be slightly larger than usual (course that could have been weather related). We also had less insect problems. Sorry Cisco they are rice paddies not the edible type of patties What in fact exactly where the prior rot and mould and mildew problems ? None of these are normally harmful to anything in the soil or plants Plus the biomass in a healthy soil MUST contain these in big numbers. The rot, mildew, mould etc you speak of are fungi from the family of saprophytes, they consume only DEAD organic matter, and are not parasites, and are as important to a healthy soil as are earthworms and nutrients. I dont know if you are talking about 100's of acres but the same system could be utilized in the irrigation or spraying systems
Re: nutrients
Darryl, I dont have a lot of time to waste on conversation with you on a subject which we work with daily. So.. I wasted two hours of my time taking your and my Argument to the Botanical Studies Group at UOG (University of Guam). I work closely with three of the Professors What are there names? there in a attempt to use R/B to kill a mite which is killing american beesthey also have helped me with the CS being utilized in the outer islands here and in Indonesia as well a Papua New Guinea. Where abouts in Indonesia and Papua New Guinea ? They like myself disagree with your thinking. What part do they disagree with ? As we use this product not only to treat the soil but also the plants with good result I have no further reason to argue on this subject, I am satisfied your inncorrect. As to your apology, it is insincere and self serving which does not supprize me. Why do you say that ? ..I prefer conversation which will help this list and those people who need the help to move forward and survive So do I. rather than waste time with verbiage and diatribe which misdirects, slows experimentation, hampers good conversation geared to find factual remidies other than personal point of view. Enjoy Life... I do. So no debate now because you are right again? I promised to avoid being rude or confrontational, and I will keep that promise. I apologised for saying the things I said in the way I said them, now because I dared to challenged your post once for the benifit of others I am excommunicated by you. OK if thats the way you resolve things so be it. regards Darryyl -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: nutrients
Joseph and all, What we have done to treat gardens, rice patties, corn and other acreage is a simple thing for soil treatment only. We take a 5 gallon bottle and make the stuff so strong it is nearly chocolate in color. Then we utilize a slow drip into the water supply being sprayed or irrigated into the field or patty. This does not allow for a contrlled amount persay but it does allow for the CS to get back to the soil. Of 20 Rice Patties treated the results appeared to be good. We had less rot problems less mold and mildew, and the crops appeared to be slightly larger than usual (course that could have been weather related). We also had less insect problems. I dont know if you are talking about 100's of acres but the same system could be utilized in the irrigation or spraying systems. I dont really know if this would be cost effective in your areabut if it results in a 5% increase in the production it could pay for itself. Espically if you dry your crop as in Soy Beans.we lost a lot of product due to roteh just an idea and the point of how we do it. Cisco JOSEPH T HARRISON wrote: Just wondering how silver, selenium etc. is replaced in depleated soils. Most fertilizer does not have these things in it. CS made even by Cisco's method would be expensive on large scale farms. Joe -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: nutrients
X-To: silver-list@eskimo.com From: Darryl vital.ea...@hunterlink.net.au To:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: nutrients Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:18:18 +1000 Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com Darryl, You are harsh! That is your way of doing things, I can stop that. I agree that you do make some good points. I also agree that CS may not be good for the soil. But lets look at this from a different perspective. (Mind you, I don't have any proof one way or another, this is just an idea I have.) What if the CS only distroys the bad bacteria, or if you are of the school of thought that thinks bacteria can change from good to bad and back again (which I believe it can) then maybe the CS is not killing the bacteria at all, but only changing it back to a good form. If this is the case, the soil would only benefit from being sprayed with CS, just as the body benefits from CS. We are made up of bacteria much like the soil, and the CS does not make us barren! Just a way to look at it different. God Bless you all! Jim Einert, N.D. Darryl, You make some good points, however. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it isn't the fact that you disagree with people, it is the way you go about it that causes the problem. Well why pussy foot around ? Why should communications here be all nice touchy, feeley stuff ? If we are to get to the truth about the use and abuse of C/S silver then if some of us have some really factual stuff to put up why not simply put it up ...if that means demolishing something that is nonsense what better way to do it if someone else puts up something to knock out a wrongly held belief by me, I will be better off for it if they have to apologise for putting me right just to keep some feel good thing going, it might not knock out the wrongly held belief in me, or others. I am not being combative for the sake of it, but don't you think we loose credibility here if we accept stuff just because it is contributed [ From me or others! ] Someone prove that sterilising the soil with an antibiotic like C/S will make for healthy plants please step forward ... If I am wrong this time and Cisco is right it is up to him and others to demonstrate that with facts, not fantasies or apologies after all he contributed the information as facts ...someone not knowing otherwise would make a big error in accepting those facts and implementing them, C/S would suffer, as would the user of C/S ...and all because just the opposite case was not put up forcefully enough! There are plenty of places on the Internet to have social chit chat, and accept any theory simply because you don't want to offend a new found friend, but they will not become repositories of truth, useful, or factual information, when people are here searching for what could be life or death knowledge. Perhaps a sharper tone will cause people to think or check their facts before they post, and that would mean a more useful and reliable source of knowledge, then again I may have strayed on to a social ritual that would prefer niceties to truth. Someone please demolish my argument, not demolish me. Darryyl . -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: NUTRIENTS
Hi, Everyone! Here in Virginia just about everything we try to grow is attacked by one sort of fungus or another (not to mention japanese beetles etc.). We end up buying all sorts of fungicides and insecticides, which nobody wants to handle because of how toxic they are to humans and animals. I am excited about the prospect of using some CS as a foliar spray on my tomatoes, grapes, roses etc. I have some powdered copper, which is supposed to be an effective fungacide, but which plugs up the sprayer is otherwise messy enough that noone bothers to use itI wonder if colloidal copper might not be more useful. Just a thought Also, I wonder if the CS would kill the nematodes (not the beneficial nematodes which kill grubs in the lawn) which ruin carrots and raise havoc with the roots of other plants??? Ginny -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: nutrients
Darryl, You make some good points, however. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it isn't the fact that you disagree with people, it is the way you go about it that causes the problem. Well why pussy foot around ? Why should communications here be all nice touchy, feeley stuff ? If we are to get to the truth about the use and abuse of C/S silver then if some of us have some really factual stuff to put up why not simply put it up ...if that means demolishing something that is nonsense what better way to do it if someone else puts up something to knock out a wrongly held belief by me, I will be better off for it if they have to apologise for putting me right just to keep some feel good thing going, it might not knock out the wrongly held belief in me, or others. I am not being combative for the sake of it, but don't you think we loose credibility here if we accept stuff just because it is contributed [ From me or others! ] Someone prove that sterilising the soil with an antibiotic like C/S will make for healthy plants please step forward ... If I am wrong this time and Cisco is right it is up to him and others to demonstrate that with facts, not fantasies or apologies after all he contributed the information as facts ...someone not knowing otherwise would make a big error in accepting those facts and implementing them, C/S would suffer, as would the user of C/S ...and all because just the opposite case was not put up forcefully enough! There are plenty of places on the Internet to have social chit chat, and accept any theory simply because you don't want to offend a new found friend, but they will not become repositories of truth, useful, or factual information, when people are here searching for what could be life or death knowledge. Perhaps a sharper tone will cause people to think or check their facts before they post, and that would mean a more useful and reliable source of knowledge, then again I may have strayed on to a social ritual that would prefer niceties to truth. Someone please demolish my argument, not demolish me. Darryyl . -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: nutrients
Darryl, You make some good points, however. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it isn't the fact that you disagree with people, it is the way you go about it that causes the problem. -Original Message- From: Darryl vital.ea...@hunterlink.net.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 2:36 AM Subject: Re: nutrients Whoa back Cisco Since I subscribed to the silver list this is about the dumbest thing I have read. another contributor but what can anyone gain here from nutty contributions, based on good intentions and totally ignorant science??? Darryyll -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: nutrients
Whoa back Cisco What we have done to treat gardens, rice patties, corn and other acreage is a simple thing for soil treatment only. What exactly are you treating ??? Kill off the soil microbes with C/S as you would be doing, and you will totally eliminate any possible chance of the crop/plants etc taking up the nutrients that are vital for the crop/plants to be able to grow at all ! The obsession to kill microbes with C/S should be tempered with the fact that less than 1% of all microbes are pathogenic, less than 1% again of the pathogens are harmful to man Since I subscribed to the silver list this is about the dumbest thing I have read. It is either not what you do Cisco, or you should not be doing it. Too bad about the dumping I will now get. Soil microbes breakdown organic and other matter into humus and humus gasses to make the nutrients available to the plant for up take via the root system and also the stomata on the underside of the leaves of all plants kill of the soil microbes and you kill off the plant We take a 5 gallon bottle and make the stuff so strong it is nearly chocolate in color. Then we utilize a slow drip into the water supply being sprayed or irrigated into the field or patty. This does not allow for a contrlled amount persay but it does allow for the CS to get back to the soil. For what purpose are you treating the soil ??? It is not disease ridden, but will become as barren as Michael thinks it is, if you kill off the soil micro-organisms, and what ever plants you could grow in sterile soil, they would be sick beyond your worst imagination, that is if they grew at all !! Of 20 Rice Patties treated the results appeared to be good. We had less rot problems less mold and mildew, and the crops appeared to be slightly larger than usual (course that could have been weather related). We also had less insect problems. Sorry Cisco they are rice paddies not the edible type of patties What in fact exactly where the prior rot and mould and mildew problems ? None of these are normally harmful to anything in the soil or plants Plus the biomass in a healthy soil MUST contain these in big numbers. The rot, mildew, mould etc you speak of are fungi from the family of saprophytes, they consume only DEAD organic matter, and are not parasites, and are as important to a healthy soil as are earthworms and nutrients. I dont know if you are talking about 100's of acres but the same system could be utilized in the irrigation or spraying systems. Lets hope no one ever does put C/S in an irrigation system would you think heavy chlorination would be a good idea yet that s the same as putting in C/S for this purpose !! So what is the purpose??? Unless the crop is sick what exactly are you treating I dont really know if this would be cost effective in your areabut if it results in a 5% increase in the production it could pay for itself. What is the mechanism that will cause an increase in production ??? Espically if you dry your crop as in Soy Beans.we lost a lot of product due to roteh just an idea and the point of how we do it. Well you sure lost me on this very unwarranted use of an anti biotic C/S is for pathogens in sick organisms, plant, animal or human, not to make healthy organisms normally totally dependant on beneficial micro-organisms for health and growth, lacking in the very mechanism that sustains health I guess I will be bounced again from the list now I disagree again with another contributor but what can anyone gain here from nutty contributions, based on good intentions and totally ignorant science??? .before anyone jumps to Cisco's defence try reading The Secret Life of Soil by Christopher Bird ...or The Secret Life of Plants same author or just check out the most elementary info on beneficial soil micro-organism's Cisco you will have to do better than this if anyone takes this post seriously then actually implements the suggestions they are going to get the sickest soil, and the sickest plants. Darryyll JOSEPH T HARRISON wrote: Just wondering how silver, selenium etc. is replaced in depleated soils. Most fertilizer does not have these things in it. CS made even by Cisco's method would be expensive on large scale farms. Joe -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe
Re: nutrients
From: JOSEPH T HARRISON harris...@prodigy.net To:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: nutrients Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:35:56 -0400 Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com Just wondering how silver, selenium etc. is replaced in depleated soils. Most fertilizer does not have these things in it. CS made even by Cisco's method would be expensive on large scale farms. Joe Joe, You would not need to use CS on the plants. Plants are able to take elemental minerals and put them into a form our body can use. That is why plant forms of minerals are the best! Jim Einert, N.D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
nutrients
Just wondering how silver, selenium etc. is replaced in depleated soils. Most fertilizer does not have these things in it. CS made even by Cisco's method would be expensive on large scale farms. Joe -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
