[SLUG] Re: Debian 6
On Sunday 20 March 2011 06:53:01 Heracles wrote: lspci shows the nic and so does iwconfig but ifconfig only shows the loopback interface. It does not even show the (100/1000Mb) ethernet interface. Ubuntu, SuSE and Fedora all show both. Am I missing something? This is only speculation but... if the Debian people have moved towards kernels that are based on free software rather than stuff that just works then I'd say that the driver for your network card has been removed. This is what I thought was going to happen when Debian 6.0 was released. GnewSense is now moving to Debian. Richard Stallman uses GnewSense. I could be wrong but this sounds like FSF intervention once again. -- Richard http://www.sheflug.org.uk -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: debian developers perth
On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 02:16:29AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: To all the Debian Developers on the list: Please consider sunny Perth for a holiday destination this Christmas! Visit the coral reefs, the surf, the forests and the forest dunes! That way you could sign my GPG key while you are over here :) Consider holidaying in Dunedin this January. Possibly not quite so sunny, but you could probably rack up close to 50 DD sigs if you worked at it. grin I take it that you had no luck contacting Perth-local DDs for a signature? That surprises me, as I know at least one of them (go Jeremy!) is alive and active. - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: debian
Well I finally got denian up and running and found it to be a great OS. My problem is that Kppp will not run, when I click on Kppp nothing happens. How can I fix this. Hi Paul, Read /usr/share/doc/kppp/README.Debian. To add your account to the dip group, try a command like this as root (with your non-root username in there): adduser username dip To fix the kppp-options file, give this command: echo noauth /etc/ppp/peers/kppp-options Kind regards, Nicholas -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Debian
On 2005-09-27, Paul Maloney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I have finally got debian up and running, well in a text mode at least. How do I got it to boot into graphics mode. thanks in advance.Paul Installing the x-window-system package, which depends on pretty much all required applications and actually quite a few optional ones, has been the way I usually do it. Either that or you can install x-window-system-core, and as that package's description suggests (apt-cache show x-window-system-core) also add a window manager and xterm. -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re; Debian 3.1
after logging in, try startx or startkde Bill Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:04:01 +1000 From: Terry Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian 3.1 To: slug@slug.org.au Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 John Gibbons wrote: I have just installed Debian 3.1 but instead of it opening in the GUI I have to type in a command. Would some kind person tell me what it is? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Debian 3.1
Hi Phillipus, Check out your local newsagent to see if they have a copy of September's Linux Format magazine (UK). The issue with the DVD has Debian 3.1 Sarge. Bill Message: 6 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 06:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Phillipus Gunawan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Debian 3.1 Bondi Junction To: slug@slug.org.au Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Sluggers, Im live at Bondi Junction and wondering where I can get the newest version of Debian 3.1? I dont have a good internet connection to take 2 DVD from the Debian site. Anyone willing to give me the iso files or the 2 DVDs? For a reasonable price for the blank DVDs and the burning, its alright for me. Thanks, Phillipus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re Debian and starting VNC as Service
Thanks Chris, Appears to be just what I ws looking for. I'll give it a go tomorrow. Thanks also to Jeff. It's amazing how many requests I've seen ( and posted myself) in various forums re this same thing, and nowhere have I seen this method. Bill Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:15:44 +1000 From: Chris Deigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian and starting VNC as Service To: slug@slug.org.au Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii quote(Bill); Any help with either starting services in Debian or starting x11vnc via Webmins command line option will be appreciated. Check out the most excellent post by our very own Jeff Waugh at http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2001/August/msg00730.html -Chris. -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html End of slug Digest, Vol 30, Issue 3 *** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Debian /etc/apt/sources.list
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 08:35:01PM +1000, Terry Collins wrote: Looking for a listing of Debian Wooody(stable) /etc/apt/sources.list ftp.au.debian.org ftp.wa.au.debian.org mirror.pacific.net.au mirror.internode.on.net (Internode customers only, I believe) mirror.aarnet.edu.au (.au IPs only, I've been told) Etc etc. Prepend deb http:// and append /debian woody main contrib non-free to each. Particularly australian source for security. A lot of mirrors don't carry security updates, because you typically don't want any delay in getting your security updates, as you would get from a 2nd or 3rd tier mirror. I've just done a base installation of cdroms and apt-get update spews over the default security setting. ? As in it throws an error from http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free? That's just *weird*. - Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Debian sarge on vmware
On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 10:17, Robert Tillsley wrote: The other thing was in regard to installing the vmware tools. The menu which is meant to do it, doesn't work (I think its because its not designed to work with debian). Its asks if you want to and then doesn't provide any feedback as to its lack of success. In the bottom left of the vmware screen is says as it did before the attempt that the vmware tools aren't installed. Hmmm, been a while since I installed a linux system under VMWare - usually I keep it for Solaris and Windows partitions. But from memory, the install tools option does not actually install anything. What it does is configure an ISO image and mount it on /mnt/cdrom (RedHat mount point - don't know about debian). So after clicking the install tools option, check if your CD is mounted. If not, try and mount it (it should mount the image, not a real CD). I think there is a gzipped tar file there, which, when extracted, has the executable to install the tools. So simple %-( not! If you are still having problems, try looking for the iso image containing the tools. In my installation they are: ls /usr/lib/vmware/isoimages/ freebsd.iso linux.iso windows.iso Just mount the linux iso image and see my earlier comments. Regards, Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: debian java virtual machine
Just for fun, I'd like to install a java runtime environment. I'm a hobbyist rather than a technical user, but I run Debian Unstable. So far I'm not having any luck. I've downloaded the Sun self-extracing binary from: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.jsp Are you sure that is the right file name? I download files ending in .bin: /usr/local/j2re-1.4.1-01-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin and unpacked it into: /usr/lib/j2re1.4.2_04/ Have I used the right directory? Anywhere will do. But /usr/local might be better than /usr/lib I'm following instructions from the Mozilla site. The Debian GNU/Linux Java FAQ mentions unpacking in /usr/local with links made in /usr/local/bin. I know how to make a symbolic link, but I don't know what to link. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch7.html I link /usr/local/jre... to /usr/local/jdk so that when I upgrade I just reset the link to the new version rather than having to modify paths I've added /usr/lib/j2re1.4.2_04/bin to my $PATH: echo $PATH /usr/lib/j2re1.4.2_04/bin:~/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X 11:/usr/games Should I set that new path in ~/.bash_profile, or in /etc/profile? Do you want it just for your use (first choice) or for any user e.g. root (second choice) I've also made a symbolic link from ~/firebird/plugins: lrwxrwxrwx1 mark 66 Jul 3 09:50 libjavaplugin_oji.so - /usr/lib/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so* -rwx--x--x1 mark 19K Jun 15 18:21 libnullplugin.so* When I open Firefox and type about:plugins, firefox tells me that the java plugin is in place. Alas, when I visit the java plugin test page, http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.jsp Firefox crashes immediately. Is this a Firefox bug, or do I need to do more to configure the JRE? Some people have had to try a variety of plugins with different browsers to get one that works. How about mozilla, konqueror? Mine is working okay with mozilla When I try to run a .jar file, I get the following error: Error occurred during initialization of VM java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object When Java boots it tries to find its bootstrap files such as /usr/local/jdk/jre/rt.jar. To do this, it needs to work out its home directory. It makes lots of guesses, but sometimes fails. You can/could help by setting JAVA_HOME This suggests that I have some more configuring to do! Thanks in advance, all advice gratefully received. Good luck Jan -- Jan Newmarch, School of Network Computing Monash University Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://jan.netcomp.monash.edu.au Tel: +61 3 9904 4249, Fax: +61 3 9904 4124 (ESOS: Monash Provider No. 8C) If Pacman had affected us as kids, we'd be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music (Marcus Brigstocke) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: [Debian-au] Re: Debian 10th Aniversary Dinner
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 10:23:44AM +1000, Matt Hope wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Matt Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... We are coming up the 10th Anniversary of Debian (Ian Murdock founded Debian on the 16th of August, 1993). We are having a special dinner to celebrate this, next week, on the 20th of August. (This means there will not be the regular meeting at the Wooloomooloo Bay Hotel) Cool - I wouldn't have been able to make a meeting today anyway. As well the bags and steins won't be ready until this Friday it seems. We have booked a table at The Jetty http://www.thejetty.com.au, a nice water-front restaurant on King Street Wharf (near Darling Harbour). I would like to find out who is still interested in coming - please send me a RSVP if you would like to come, so I can ensure the booking is correct. I'll be there, so will the steins and bags if anyone wants to come and collect them. The steins, unfortunately, turned out to be a little more expensive than I anticipated. Here is a sample picture showing what they will look like, the price for them is $12. Bags will still be $30. URL: http://www.progsoc.org/~wildfire/debian/debian-stein.jpg Regards, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: [Debian-au] Re: Debian 10th Aniversary Dinner
quote who=Anand Kumria Here is a sample picture showing what they will look like, the price for them is $12. Bags will still be $30. URL: http://www.progsoc.org/~wildfire/debian/debian-stein.jpg Pia and I will bring the t-shirts, which (correct me if I'm wrong, Anand) are $20 each. Black only, of course! :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ I would hack on the file selector. But I think I would write like, 3 LOC for every 100 lines of mail I had to read/write. - James Willcox -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian - what is needed to compile?
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:44:30 +1000, Chris Barnes wrote: Yep I got the Debian 3.0r1 discs from the front of APC Magazine...which is where I pick up alot of my other disctibutions from. See I dont normally use Debian, but I thought it was time for a change and Debian just happened to be on the magazine. It sounds like you need to do: # remove the second CD from the source list # update the list of available packages [EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-get update # upgrade any existing packages as required [EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-get -u upgrade (or maybe even apt-get -u dist-upgrade) # install your development environment Chris's suggestions should do the trick. Regards, Anand -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian 10th birthday gear
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 12:58:01PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Anand Kumria wrote: Hi all, [ forward as required ] I'm planning on doing some 10th birthday gear. I'm intending to get some t-shirts made up but if people would like something else instead/as well then let me know. Naturally you'll probably find it simpler to get your own made up if you don't live in Sydney, Australia. Hat? Is there a debian patch that can be applied to hats, shirts, backpacks? Actually I was thinking about a red fedora - but that has been done already. It turns out I'll be probably be doing some bags with a embroided Debian logo on the front and the birthday text (10 Projects ... 1 packages) on the back. I've got about 25 people interested in the first kind (b235) and only 5 in the second kind (b247). Minimum order is typically 50. URL: http://www.progsoc.org/~wildfire/debian/bags/deb-b235.png URL: http://www.progsoc.org/~wildfire/debian/bags/deb-b247a.png The likely price would be AUD$30 for b235 and AUD$25 for b247. A shipment will be headed to HP via Bdale; so overseas orders aren't out of the question. I've also been thinking about getting some glassware made up. Pint glasses (left) or Schooners (right) for AUD$9 and AUD$16 respectively with a Debian logo, the words 'Debian' and '10 Years' on them. I've had about 15 people interested in the Pint (minimum number is 72) and none in the Schooners. URL: http://www.progsoc.org/~wildfire/debian/mugs.png If you, or anyone else, is interested shipping those overseas could be arranged (with the caveat that glass might break in transit). I need to know by this Friday to get them in time for Aug 16th so if you'd like any of this stuff, let me know. Regards, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian SIG (Sydney) [July 9th]: rdesktop (TOMORROW)
On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Matt Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... This month, Matt Chapman, author of rdesktop[1] will be talking about where rdeskop has come from, where it is going to, and the obstacles along the way. 1: http://www.rdesktop.org/ Don't forget to bring your GPG keys, keys are good and need signing. http://sydney.debian.net/ Where: Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel - boardroom (upstairs) When: Wednesday, 11th of June 19:00 - 20:00 Sorry guys, the subject line had it right - its on the 9th of July. (Tomorrow, by my watch). Thanks to Mary and Jon for pointing this one out to me. Cost: $0 (plus food/drink) Misc: Dinner, alcohol are available Park: - Lincoln Cr (recommended, open til late) - Domain (closes 21:00) or - Beside the Bells Hotel PS: There is also some discussion about an alternate venue... -- dopey!debian.org http://www.debian.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: [Debian-au] Debian SIG Location..
Currently, I believe we need a location that - has food and drink nearby, - is accessable via public transport To me that is the #1 problem with it. I like the place itself but walking through the park in the dark (and it gets real dark as most of the few lights dont work) by yourself is not too much fun. just on getting to the WBH after dark (I'm not a debian user, but I live within sight of the WBH), if you walk along the wharf to the steps up to victoria street and then up victoria street to the KC train station, it is probably a while lot nicer than either the park or central Wolloomooloo... Dave. - Craig -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / [EMAIL PROTECTED] pam_smb / Linux DECstation / Linux VAX / ILUG person -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: [Debian-au] Debian SIG Location..
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 12:16:18PM +1000, Matt Hope wrote: There have been mumbings and some comments made about the current location for the Debian Interest Group meetings - currently, the Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel. I'm interested if anyone has any comments about the current venue (good or bad), and any possible alternative suggestions. Currently, I believe we need a location that - has food and drink nearby, - is accessable via public transport To me that is the #1 problem with it. I like the place itself but walking through the park in the dark (and it gets real dark as most of the few lights dont work) by yourself is not too much fun. - Craig -- Craig Small VK2XLZ GnuPG:1C1B D893 1418 2AF4 45EE 95CB C76C E5AC 12CA DFA5 Eye-Net Consulting http://www.enc.com.au/[EMAIL PROTECTED] MIEEE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: [Debian-au] DebSIG 12th Feb / IPv6
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 02:44:06PM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: Hi all, Just a quick reminder that DebSIG is on again for young and old this Wednesday 12th Feb (tomorrow!). Unfortunately the tentative speaker I had arranged is busy so I'll be speaking instead. What with the timely announcement of a $10,000 prize for writing IPv6 related application [1], I'll be introducing IPv6 and explaining what it is, how it works, how to get everything in Debian setup for it and how to connect to the IPv6 internetwork. Remember DebSIG is on at the Wooloomooloo Bay Hotel (WBH) - drop in around 18:30 to get a decent seat and (reasonable) beer. [1]: URL: http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/03/02/09/2038223.shtml?tid=95tid=15 and URL: jaq: http://www.v6pc.jp/apc/en/index.html Regards, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: [Debian-au] reminder: DebSIG is on tomorrow (11th Dec)
On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 07:40:38PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, Just a reminder that DebSIG is on tomorrow. The venue is the Spanish Club on the corner of Liverpool and George St from approximately 7pm onwards. The nearest train station is Town Hall and it is near the Three Wise Monkeys bar -- they'll be premeet drinks there from 6:30pm onwards too. It looks like we've booked out a fair chunk of the restaurant, so if you haven't told me whether you are coming or not - you'd best hurry up. Just a quick follow-up; we had a quarter of the restaurant and a lot of newcomers along including HP's Linux support in Australia and the MySQL guys. And we had Spanish dancing girls too! Enjoy your holidays and I'll send out a reminder when BDale is in town. Thanks, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: [Debian-au] DebianSIG in December / DPL DebSIG in January
On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 06:57:14PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, Just a reminder that DebianSIG is on this December. It isn't tomorrow though, but the 11th December (wednesday week). However we aren't going to have a talk but, rather, a party. We've had a number of suggestions on where it should be held: - jelly wrestling @ Crows Nest (Conrad) - spanish restuarant @ City (Robert) - city pub crawl @ every where (Matthew) - teppanyaki @ North sydney (Craige) - Wooloomooloo Bay Hotel @ Bay (Matt) Depending on numbers will depend on what we end up going to. Hello again, I've had 6 people definately say that they'd prefer to go a spanish restuarant. So DebSIG will be on Wed 11th Dec @ 7pm. We'll be meeting up from abuot 6:30pm at the bar next door (Three Wise Monkeys). At the moment the Spanish Club is our likely venue and the price per person will be $30-$40. If you haven't responded to me and indicated that you'll be coming, please make sure you do otherwise they'll be no place for you. Thanks, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: [Debian-au] DebSIG this Wednesday (September 11)
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 05:06:41PM +1000, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [2]: Wouldn't it be cool if every second Wednesday around Australia was a DebSIG night. Do you really mean every fortnight, or is that just a typo of the second Wednesday of every month? Second Wednesday actually. So tonight we'll have Brendan O'Dea speaking on Perl 5.8.0 packaging, features, etc. We will probably get to see that bastard child of text-editors: vile (VI like Emacs). For our following meeting (09 October) we tentatively have Herbert Xu talking on ash, initrd, default kernel packages. Remember you don't need to have a package in the 'Base' section of Debian to talk. If you'd like to volunteer to talk (either yourself or another victim^Wperson), please let me know. Thanks, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: [Debian-au] DebSIG this Wednesday (September 11)
On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 05:16:31PM +1000, Anand Kumria wrote: So tonight we'll have Brendan O'Dea speaking on Perl 5.8.0 packaging, features, etc. We will probably get to see that bastard child of text-editors: vile (VI like Emacs). Brendan explained what was new with Perl 5.8.0 (threading, Unicode) what he wanted to put in (64 bit file access) but wasn't able to. Reasons for the binary incompatibilities between 5.8 and 5.6 He also explained why he used a staging area, what was the greatest cause of his problems (different architectures). He pointed out that the next release of Perl may also be binary incompatible (due to gcc 3.2) and pondered what to do about it (punt to others). Unfortunately Brendan isn't as good a pool player as he is a speaker and lost the games he played. All in all a good night was had by all. Cheers, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian X
At Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:09:15 +1000, Bill Taylor wrote: Last night (about midnight) I wrote an email to ask whether anyone ever managed to get 'X windows` to install on debian, but was unable to send (Host unknown (name server: mx.inodes. org. : host not found))(isp fault) as I had just spent 5 hours trying to get it to work on woody. I had previously tried to get it to work with potato and woody on three other boxes without success. I gave up and retired; tonight I put two new nic's( in two boxes), turned on the box I had been working on, and it recognized the nic, booted into `X` and then kde. Why? Could I have saved hours of frustration by rebooting at some point last night? you'd need to give us a little more information about the troubles you were having.. (in what way didn't it work?) -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian apt-get and dependency conflicts (during new install)
At 10 Jun 2002 09:56:47 +1000, Timothy Bateman wrote: I've just installed Debian Woody for PowerPC and I have some dependency problems with apt-get. After the base install, when Debian booted I selected a fairly minimal set to just get the machine up and going, such as C/C++ so I can rebuild a kernel and XWindow System. I used mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au as my source and when apt-get had received all of the packages, it goes to install and then hits an error like this: libopenldap-runtime 1_3a1.2.12-1 error processing libopenldap-runtime 1_3a1.2.12-1 trying to overwrite ldapsearchprefs which is also in libldap2 (I can't get the exact message because hardly any programs are installed, no ftp etc) looking at my woody (i386) system here, i can't see any packages that depend on libopenldap-runtime, other than libopenldap1 and then nothing depends on that. why are you installing libopenldap-runtime at all? (if you wanted to install ldap stuff, you should be using the openldap version 2 packages slapd and ldap-utils, rather than the version 1.2 openldap* packages) I tried using apt-get -f dist-upgrade or removing the libopenldap-runtime package but with no success. I get into a chain reaction of dependcy problems if I try to remove any packages depending on this. try some magic like: apt-get install libldap2 libopenldap-runtime- # - note trailing - to install something and remove something else in one go. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian apt-get and dependency conflicts (during new install)
I've sorted it out. I changed stable to woody in /etc/apt/sources.list and did an upgrade and all went well. Now to get pine installed! At 10 Jun 2002 09:56:47 +1000, Timothy Bateman wrote: I've just installed Debian Woody for PowerPC and I have some dependency problems with apt-get. After the base install, when Debian booted I selected a fairly minimal set to just get the machine up and going, such as C/C++ so I can rebuild a kernel and XWindow System. I used mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au as my source and when apt-get had received all of the packages, it goes to install and then hits an error like this: libopenldap-runtime 1_3a1.2.12-1 error processing libopenldap-runtime 1_3a1.2.12-1 trying to overwrite ldapsearchprefs which is also in libldap2 (I can't get the exact message because hardly any programs are installed, no ftp etc) Angus Lees replied: looking at my woody (i386) system here, i can't see any packages that depend on libopenldap-runtime, other than libopenldap1 and then nothing depends on that. why are you installing libopenldap-runtime at all? (if you wanted to install ldap stuff, you should be using the openldap version 2 packages slapd and ldap-utils, rather than the version 1.2 openldap* packages) try some magic like: apt-get install libldap2 libopenldap-runtime- # - note trailing - to install something and remove something else in one go. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian upgrades
At Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:48:57 +1000, John Ferlito wrote: Is there anyway to work out when a debian package was upgraded and what the previous version was? Only thing I can think of is the date on the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives you can look at the debian.changelog for the theoretical dates and versions.. i guess the most robust way of doing it would be to hook some script into DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs in a similar way to apt-listchanges. or you could archive /var/lib/dpkg/status daily, and then pull stuff out of it using grep-dctrl (or similar). many tools keep a status-old or something, so you could check there if you only want to check before/after the last install. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian upgrades
At Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:48:57 +1000, John Ferlito wrote: Is there anyway to work out when a debian package was upgraded and what the previous version was? oh yeah. and aptitude (at least) keeps a log of its actions in /var/log/aptitude. doesn't seem to include package versions though. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian newbie, woody newbie
At Sat, 25 May 2002 19:21:54 +1000, Alex Samad wrote: Also I gather that all I need to download is disk 1 and then the rest can be downloaded from the net, assuming your laptop has a network card of some sort: unless you want to have a cd for some reason, you may as well just download a few floppy disk images. boot from them and you can suck the rest down over the network. you will probably only need 3-6 floppy disks (depending on the drivers you need for the install). to find out the various options available, have a flick through the woody installation instructions: http://www.au.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/install in particular the chapter on installation methods. this also explains the various floppy disk images available and where to get them: http://www.au.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html if you really want a CD, then check out the different options available at (and yes, you only need the first one (or two, or three..), it will download any packages you select that aren't on the CDs you have): http://www.au.debian.org/CD/ can I tell it where to source this from, or is it easier to download the CD's and burn them. yes, you can specify any debian mirror to download from (or files on local disk/cd). you can give multiple sources and it will search them in order, so your local mirror doesn't even have to be complete or fully up to date. its certainly less bandwidth to only download what you're going to use. so personally, i would never bother with a cd image unless i was doing disconnected installs. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian newbie, woody newbie
At Sat, 25 May 2002 19:41:46 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: You can also get a minimal net install disk, which is about 40meg. Unfortunately, I don't know where. But I'm sure a helpful SLUGger or Google will be able to point it out to us. :-) http://cdimage.debian.org/ knows all. (aka http://www.au.debian.org/CD) -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian ate my partition table
At Wed, 15 May 2002 06:33:08 +1000, Michael Still wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2002, Angus Lees wrote: At Tue, 14 May 2002 22:12:11 +1000, Michael Still wrote: No, the install stopped when it said it couldn't find libpopt. It surprised me, because this was my first time installing Debian, and I expected it to just work... The Redhat installer is much sexier IMHO. when you say stopped, i presume it gave you some error message and allowed you to retry? Well, I was installing of this rediculously large 8 CD woody set that a friend copied for me. unless you will never see the internet again, you only really need the first cd or two.. the packages are sorted by popularity (see the popularity-contest package). He has successfully installed from it, so perhaps the copy is dodgy. The installer retried, but failed anyway. any error message given? -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian ate my partition table
At Tue, 14 May 2002 22:12:11 +1000, Michael Still wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2002, Manoj Mathew wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 05:55:47AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: windows on it. The debian install crashed (something about libpopt), and killed my partition table (dispite being past that in the installprocess). Does anyone have any hints on how to get it back? The data on the windows partition has't changed, so hopefully it is just a case of recovering the partition table and installing a new MBR. No, the install stopped when it said it couldn't find libpopt. It surprised me, because this was my first time installing Debian, and I expected it to just work... The Redhat installer is much sexier IMHO. wierd. perhaps your debian mirror was slightly out of wack? when you say stopped, i presume it gave you some error message and allowed you to retry? Do you know partition sizes (in cylinders preferably)? If so, boot off a rescue rescue disk (or the Debian CDs in rescue mode) and recreate a partition table using fdisk, with the appropriate partition sizes and types for each Windows and GNU/Linux partition as before. Ahhh, it didn't turn out to be too bad... Partition Magic did it's thing. My theory is that the install hadn't got around to installing LILO yet, so the linux partition was marked 'active' but had an invalid boot record... that sounds quite likely, since the boot record is one of the last things to be written during the install.. if this happens again (?), just boot off the floppy disks or cd that you were installing off anyway, and then just go through the install again as usual. choose mount an already initialised linux partition rather than the default initialise a linux partition and it should find the files already installed and pick up from where it was. if you manage to go through the entire thing and for some reason skip only the boot sector step, you can also boot off the install media and choose the rescue option at the syslinux (or whatever lilo-replacement its using) prompt. something like rescue root=/dev/hda3 (where hda3 is your linux /) should work. (incidentally, if you do actually lose your partition table at some point - not just your MBR - gpart (not parted) is an excellent tool for finding the formatted regions on the drive and rebuilding the partition table) -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian ate my partition table
On Tue, 14 May 2002, Angus Lees wrote: At Tue, 14 May 2002 22:12:11 +1000, Michael Still wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2002, Manoj Mathew wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 05:55:47AM +1000, Michael Still wrote: windows on it. The debian install crashed (something about libpopt), and killed my partition table (dispite being past that in the installprocess). Does anyone have any hints on how to get it back? The data on the windows partition has't changed, so hopefully it is just a case of recovering the partition table and installing a new MBR. No, the install stopped when it said it couldn't find libpopt. It surprised me, because this was my first time installing Debian, and I expected it to just work... The Redhat installer is much sexier IMHO. wierd. perhaps your debian mirror was slightly out of wack? when you say stopped, i presume it gave you some error message and allowed you to retry? Well, I was installing of this rediculously large 8 CD woody set that a friend copied for me. He has successfully installed from it, so perhaps the copy is dodgy. The installer retried, but failed anyway. My theory is that the install hadn't got around to installing LILO yet, so the linux partition was marked 'active' but had an invalid boot record... that sounds quite likely, since the boot record is one of the last things to be written during the install.. Hmmm, perhaps this is a poor design choice. I would think you would only mark a partition active at the point where you know it canbe booted from... I imagine my granny woud be quite confused if this happened to her when she installed (apart from the fact that she'd dead, and would therefore be confused about her possession of a PC). (incidentally, if you do actually lose your partition table at some point - not just your MBR - gpart (not parted) is an excellent tool for finding the formatted regions on the drive and rebuilding the partition table) Noted for future use... Yeah, the Debian install felt a lot like the old FreeBSD text install they had last time I built a FreeBSD box (about a year ago). I'll give it another try in a couple of days. Cheers, Mikal -- Michael Still ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) UMT+10hrs -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian 3.0
Hello, I have Debian 3.0 april 2002 snapshot(8 cds) If anybody wants a copy, pleae email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Karun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian or Redhat
\begin{Jeff Waugh}
Can people comment on the differences between the two. Both the lay out
of the file system and the its package manager.
[...]
Hopefully a fairly balanced view.
yep. what he said.
just some free advice:
the usual behaviour for someone new to redhat seems to be to choose the
install everything option.
don't do this for debian, you really don't need ~11 web servers ;)
just install the minimum - what you need *today*. since apt-get(*) can
trivially install new software when you realise you needed them.
basically, do a lazy install and amortise the cost of answering all
those questions. it'll then do what you want, when you finally want it
and you'll end up liking it even more ;)
(*) or better yet aptitude or deity-{curses,gtk}. apt-get is a
power-users tool and debianites should get out of the habit of
advertising it to people who don't even know what they want to
install yet. (just say aptitude install spamassassin instead ;)
(my opinion: redhat is a company, debian is a community. all the
usual pros/cons of each are manifested in their products)
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[SLUG] Re: Debian Security
\begin{Lester Cheung}
Just want to know how secure/insecure is a minimal debian install. coz
the more I read, the more paranoid I am. I have read the debian security
howto serveral times. Are the suggestions in there enough for a normal
home machine/regular office gateway?
just be minimal and don't do anything stupid ;)
go through the *entire* list of installed packages (especially
anything with network connotations) and ask yourself if you actually
need that at this particular moment. if not, remove it.
dselect likes to install everything marked standard, which is good
for a unix desktop / login server but not good for a firewall.
then make sure you keep up to date with debian security updates (by
adding the appropriate apt/sources.list lines).
i have been running my home network off a debian (stable) installation
for many years. i have /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} setup to ban any
outsiders. i don't add silly wildcard entries to /etc/exports and the
like. i use the default ipmasq package firewalling rules (with one
exception for 0.0.0.0 dhcp packets on the local network).
i don't have a separate firewall - my main machine also runs
pppd. so far its been a successful experiment in application-level
security. (i've doomed it now though, haven't i ;)
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[SLUG] Re: Debian Apt-get without internet [beginner]
At Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Mark A. Bell wrote: The problem is, my Linux machine is not connected to the net so I can't just use 'apt-get upgrade' to install the 'testing' version. My (now much neglected) windows laptop has a net connection. So my question is, in general terms what will I have to do to upgrade my current version of Dia to the newer 'testing' version? see the apt-zip package for a method of using apt over removable media (floppies, zip drives, etc). alternatively, you could use apt-get --print-uris install dia or something to just get a list of urls you should download (somehow) and the filenames where you should put them. then just run apt-get install dia and it will magically find what it was about to think of looking for. personally, i'd just download the source apt-get source dia (or get the files directly (from apt-get --print-uris source dia): http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dia/dia_0.88.1-3.dsc http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dia/dia_0.88.1.orig.tar.gz http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dia/dia_0.88.1-3.diff.gz transfer them over to the linux box and then do: cd /some/directory/wot/i/copied/those/files/to dpkg-source -x dia_0.88.1-3.dsc cd dia-0.88.1 (or whatever the directory ends up being called) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc (compile, compile) sudo dpkg -i ../dia_0.88.1-3_*.deb it will probably get a little hairier than that, since the dia package might build-depend on some other woody packages (newer versions of debhelper is a common one). -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian Apt-get without internet [beginner]
Hi Angus, Thanks for taking the time to send such detailed help. :-) cd /some/directory/wot/i/copied/those/files/to dpkg-source -x dia_0.88.1-3.dsc cd dia-0.88.1 (or whatever the directory ends up being called) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc (compile, compile) sudo dpkg -i ../dia_0.88.1-3_*.deb This looks like it compiles the Dia source and integrates the new version into the Debian packaging system. I was hoping I could do that somehow but I didn't know what to do. I'll try it - thanks! - mark __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian 2.3 Config Documentation
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:45:45PM +1100, chesty wrote: I have found the lack of documentation about how Debian configure things after the installation quite a surprise. Does anyone know of any decent documentation on post installation of a Debian release? So you're looking for the Secret knowledge of the Debian pack? www.debian.org www.debian.org/doc apt-get install debian-guide apt-get install debian-policy apt-get install doc-debian *everyone* should have a flick through the Debian FAQ (/usr/share/doc/debian/FAQ/index.html from doc-debian) i'd been using Debian for more than a year before i discovered it, and i still learnt several very useful things. if you want to make it all a little easier to browse, consider installing dhelp, then looking at /usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html (or http://localhost/doc/HTML/) -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian SIG - Wrap-up
\begin{Craige McWhirter}
Gus did reference this as an appropriate starting place:
http://www.debian.org/devel/
and I believe the new maintainers guide as well.
everything in the Packaging section on that page is useful.
in particular:
the debian policy manual. answers all those what is the Debian Way
(and why)? questions. even though the title includes policy, you
really *must* read this:
http://www.au.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
and the new maintainers guide. basically worked examples, very
similar to my talk:
http://www.au.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
if you're actually becoming a maintainer, then the developers'
reference is also good for what is the correct procedure for..
http://www.au.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/
these documents are also available as .deb packages, if you want them
installed locally.
the hello and hello-debhelper packages are also good examples
(thats their point).
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RE: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs$ chmod 755 so_blah; ./so_blah
-the subconsciouls observations re sluh and why red had is better than debian make me want to paint my mony towards you than anyone else. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs
Thanks Matt. I - think - I downloaded StarOffice 5.2 last night. The first download connection failed so I restarted it and, since it indicated it would take 5 hours, I went to bed. In the morning my root account was 40% full and I found /home/adam had so-5_2-qa-bin-linux-en.bin in it. I assume it's a binary file. How do I execute it ? /sbin/.. ? I'll deal with the device drivers later. Devices include Epson Stylus Printer, Epson Perfection 640U scanner, LG CD-RW CED-8080B, and Pioneer DVD-ROM. Cheers, Adam. -Original Message- From: Matthew Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 25 May, 2001 10:00 AM To: Adam F. Bogacki Cc: David Kempe; Slug@Slug. Org. Au Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs: mail and Lilo ... On Thu, 24 May 2001, Adam F. Bogacki wrote: I also tried apt-get with StarOffice 5.2 without success. Neither 'soffice' nor 'StarOffice' worked. I know it can be downloaded from http://www.sun.com/staroffice - but surely apt-get does it better - is it part of the 2.2.r2 distribution ? Nope. StarOffice isn't DFSG free (maybe OpenOffice 6.0 is, but it's a dog) so it's not in the distro. I don't think anyone's packaged it because the license (IIRC) doesn't allow that sort of thing. You'll have to download and install it separately - them's the breaks. Re. you have only just begun - I'm always keen to learn something new. Well, you're on the right track for that. One thing which worries me is that a number of device drivers did not install, specifically lp (printer) and none of the CD-ROM ones. This happened under both 2.2r2 and 2.2r3 I am not sure if this is a bug or if there is something I am missing. This sounds like you didn't add the devices in the setup. For the printer: echo lp /etc/modules; modprobe lp should sort you out now and for the future. The CD-ROM drivers, well, for that you'll have to give details as to what sort it is - unless it's ATAPI (IDE), in which case the support is compiled in (I think - I roll my own kernels 99% of the time). There were no parameters involved with 'lp' so it could be a software problem, fixable (I hope) by downloading the appropriate driver from the Epson website. 'lp' is a kernel module to provide access to the parallel port. Supporting specific printers in the job of a userspace printing system - I recommend magicfilter, for all your printing needs. It uses GhostScript as it's print system, and it's pretty damn magic (IMO). -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs
This one time, at band camp, Adam F. Bogacki said: I assume it's a binary file. How do I execute it ? /sbin/.. If you trust it, $ chmod 755 so_blah; ./so_blah will execute it. Before you do that, though, try $ file so_blah to identfy it, you might find it's a shar archive, in which case you can run it by sourcing it into the shell: $ . ./so_blah without having to chmod it first. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Better to teach a man to fish than to give him a fish. And if he can't be bothered to learn to fish and starves to death, that's a good enough outcome for me. PGP signature
RE: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs
On Tue, 29 May 2001, Adam F. Bogacki wrote: I - think - I downloaded StarOffice 5.2 last night. The first download connection failed so I restarted it and, since it indicated it would take 5 hours, I went to bed. In the morning my root account was 40% full and I found /home/adam had so-5_2-qa-bin-linux-en.bin in it. I assume it's a binary file. How do I execute it ? /sbin/.. ? Run 'file' over it first, to see what it is. Assuming it's something that is executable in some way, try chmod u+x so-5_2-qa-bin-linux-en.bin ./so-5_2-qa-bin-linux-en.bin That will make it executable and run it. Then follow prompts and whatnot. StarOffice isn't my thing (LaTeX is the one true document prep system, troff a close second) so I'll leave advanced SO to others. I'll deal with the device drivers later. Devices include Epson Stylus Printer, Epson Perfection 640U scanner, LG CD-RW CED-8080B, and Pioneer DVD-ROM. OK, The Epson printer might be a problem - those beasts are notoriously screwed in all sorts of creative ways. The scanner may or may not be a problem - xsane is pretty good at that sort of thing. I have absolutely zero knowledge of DVDs, though don't expect support to be too easy - DVDs and Linux (thanks to the tireless efforts of those stalwarts of Truth, Justice, and the American way (greed above all else), the MPAA and RIAA) don't mix. Such is life. I'll be surprised if the CD-RW can't be encouraged to work. If it's SCSI, you're set - they *all* work (AFAIK - I've certainly never had one go pfft at me), otherwise it's time to roll out IDESCSI and have some fun... -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs: mail and Lilo ...
Thanks. When the install of Debian 2.2.r3 crashed twice at exactly the same place (X config) I decided that there must be a bug possibly due to download corruption and reverted to 2.2.r2 which I succeeded with today. I followed your advice re. 'apt-get dist-upgrade -u' and 'apt-get install mutt' . according to the messages there was no need to upgrade and the mutt install was to good to be true. I did the same with mozilla (M18) but found that it sat in the top leftrner in an area the size of the Gnome terminal without maximising - nor did the terminal. I hope it gets better. I also tried apt-get with StarOffice 5.2 without success. Neither 'soffice' nor 'StarOffice' worked. I know it can be downloaded from http://www.sun.com/staroffice - but surely apt-get does it better - is it part of the 2.2.r2 distribution ? Re. you have only just begun - I'm always keen to learn something new. Cheers, Adam Bogacki. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: David Kempe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 May, 2001 08:49 AM To: Adam F. Bogacki; Craige McWhirter Cc: Slug@Slug. Org. Au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs: mail and Lilo ... I've edited Lilo so that (I think) it works - a few minutes ago - but when installing 2.2.r3, X Windows refused to load which is ironic because I had it (and Gnome) running under 2.2.r2. I'll try setting it up with 'xf86config' when I have time, otherwise I'll re-run the install process. Have you got X installed? you seem to be forgetting apt-get. apt-get and apt-cache are your friends. None of this downloading mutt from the mutt website! just apt-get install mutt if you have added the cdroms to your /etc/apt/sources.list then it will get it off the cd. if you have commented out the http and ftp lines in your sources.list then it will get it off the net. apt-cache will search the list of available packages for the search string you specify. - it gives you the package name to install. My mail system is OK. PPP and exim were configured during installation but I was sad there was no Mutt included with the base installation or the network software package. I'll check the CD's, otherwise I'll download from www.mutt.org. One thing which worries me is that a number of device drivers did not install, specifically lp (printer) and none of the CD-ROM ones. This happened under both 2.2r2 and 2.2r3 I am not sure if this is a bug or if there is something I am missing. You are missing apt-get !!! :) There were no parameters involved with 'lp' so it could be a software problem, fixable (I hope) by downloading the appropriate driver from the Epson website. Similarly, a number of software packages did not install in the final part due to dependency and other problems which the program suggested could be fixed by running the install process - again (!). These, however, did not seem critical ... apt-get install mutt will install mutt but also will re-run any packages that are not fully installed. this generally cleans up any mess left behind. you also may want apt-get dist-upgrade -u which will download any packages that are dependencies also. I have to admit that the more I see of Debian, the more I appreciate it. You have only just begun! dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs: mail and Lilo ...
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Adam F. Bogacki wrote: I also tried apt-get with StarOffice 5.2 without success. Neither 'soffice' nor 'StarOffice' worked. I know it can be downloaded from http://www.sun.com/staroffice - but surely apt-get does it better - is it part of the 2.2.r2 distribution ? Nope. StarOffice isn't DFSG free (maybe OpenOffice 6.0 is, but it's a dog) so it's not in the distro. I don't think anyone's packaged it because the license (IIRC) doesn't allow that sort of thing. You'll have to download and install it separately - them's the breaks. Re. you have only just begun - I'm always keen to learn something new. Well, you're on the right track for that. One thing which worries me is that a number of device drivers did not install, specifically lp (printer) and none of the CD-ROM ones. This happened under both 2.2r2 and 2.2r3 I am not sure if this is a bug or if there is something I am missing. This sounds like you didn't add the devices in the setup. For the printer: echo lp /etc/modules; modprobe lp should sort you out now and for the future. The CD-ROM drivers, well, for that you'll have to give details as to what sort it is - unless it's ATAPI (IDE), in which case the support is compiled in (I think - I roll my own kernels 99% of the time). There were no parameters involved with 'lp' so it could be a software problem, fixable (I hope) by downloading the appropriate driver from the Epson website. 'lp' is a kernel module to provide access to the parallel port. Supporting specific printers in the job of a userspace printing system - I recommend magicfilter, for all your printing needs. It uses GhostScript as it's print system, and it's pretty damn magic (IMO). -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs: mail and Lilo ...
I also tried apt-get with StarOffice 5.2 without success. Neither 'soffice' nor 'StarOffice' worked. I know it can be downloaded from http://www.sun.com/staroffice - but surely apt-get does it better - is it part of the 2.2.r2 distribution ? You also need apt-cache try apt-cache search staroffice or whatever package you are after. apt-cache show packagename also shows you more detail about the package you have found. Dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs: mail and Lilo ...
Adam F. Bogacki wrote: Thanks. When the install of Debian 2.2.r3 crashed twice at exactly the same place (X config) I decided that there must be a bug possibly due to download corruption and reverted to 2.2.r2 which I succeeded with today. I followed your advice re. 'apt-get dist-upgrade -u' and 'apt-get install mutt' . according to the messages there was no need to upgrade and the mutt install was to good to be true. I did the same with mozilla (M18) but found that it sat in the top leftrner in an area the size of the Gnome terminal without maximising - nor did the terminal. I hope it gets better. This sounds like you don't have a window manager installed. You might want to install kde or gnome, or something like blackbox if you want to save system resources. I also tried apt-get with StarOffice 5.2 without success. Neither 'soffice' nor 'StarOffice' worked. I know it can be downloaded from http://www.sun.com/staroffice - but surely apt-get does it better - is it part of the 2.2.r2 distribution ? If you don't know the package name you can usually find by doing apt-cache search office if you want to find packages whose name or description contains `office' See man apt-cache, but yeah Im not sure if soffice is in the distribution. - Josh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs: mail and Lilo ...
Thanks, Craigie. I have Debian GNU/Linux for Dummies by Michael Bellomo (2000) which is a little out of date compared to 2.2.r3 but nevertheless has plenty of relevant accessible material which has helped demystify the install process. I'll have a look at the book you recommend. I've edited Lilo so that (I think) it works - a few minutes ago - but when installing 2.2.r3, X Windows refused to load which is ironic because I had it (and Gnome) running under 2.2.r2. I'll try setting it up with 'xf86config' when I have time, otherwise I'll re-run the install process. My mail system is OK. PPP and exim were configured during installation but I was sad there was no Mutt included with the base installation or the network software package. I'll check the CD's, otherwise I'll download from www.mutt.org. One thing which worries me is that a number of device drivers did not install, specifically lp (printer) and none of the CD-ROM ones. This happened under both 2.2r2 and 2.2r3 I am not sure if this is a bug or if there is something I am missing. There were no parameters involved with 'lp' so it could be a software problem, fixable (I hope) by downloading the appropriate driver from the Epson website. Similarly, a number of software packages did not install in the final part due to dependency and other problems which the program suggested could be fixed by running the install process - again (!). These, however, did not seem critical ... I have to admit that the more I see of Debian, the more I appreciate it. Cheers, Adam. -Original Message- From: Craige McWhirter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 May, 2001 02:09 PM To: Adam Bogacki Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs: mail and Lilo ... Adam, I strongly recommend you get a copy of Learning Debian GNU/Linux. You can get this at Dymocks or http://www.everythinglinux.com.au Thus spake Adam Bogacki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): By way of explanation: I have managed to open a connection via my ISP - which only seems to work as root - and found that Balsa sends mail but does receive it at the moment; I'm working on it. Mailx, Mutt, Pine, and Elm also do not seem to work. You don't have your mail system configured correctly, this is performed on installation. Run the below command: dpkg-reconfigure exim if that doesnt work, then run: apt-get install exim and repeat the first command. Another thing you may note is that Debian does things securely and properly. If a user wants to control dialing up, they need to be added to the appropriate group. Same for playing audio, mounting drives and many other functions. Have a look in /etc/group -- Cheers, Craige. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs: mail and Lilo ...
I've edited Lilo so that (I think) it works - a few minutes ago - but when installing 2.2.r3, X Windows refused to load which is ironic because I had it (and Gnome) running under 2.2.r2. I'll try setting it up with 'xf86config' when I have time, otherwise I'll re-run the install process. Have you got X installed? you seem to be forgetting apt-get. apt-get and apt-cache are your friends. None of this downloading mutt from the mutt website! just apt-get install mutt if you have added the cdroms to your /etc/apt/sources.list then it will get it off the cd. if you have commented out the http and ftp lines in your sources.list then it will get it off the net. apt-cache will search the list of available packages for the search string you specify. - it gives you the package name to install. My mail system is OK. PPP and exim were configured during installation but I was sad there was no Mutt included with the base installation or the network software package. I'll check the CD's, otherwise I'll download from www.mutt.org. One thing which worries me is that a number of device drivers did not install, specifically lp (printer) and none of the CD-ROM ones. This happened under both 2.2r2 and 2.2r3 I am not sure if this is a bug or if there is something I am missing. You are missing apt-get !!! :) There were no parameters involved with 'lp' so it could be a software problem, fixable (I hope) by downloading the appropriate driver from the Epson website. Similarly, a number of software packages did not install in the final part due to dependency and other problems which the program suggested could be fixed by running the install process - again (!). These, however, did not seem critical ... apt-get install mutt will install mutt but also will re-run any packages that are not fully installed. this generally cleans up any mess left behind. you also may want apt-get dist-upgrade -u which will download any packages that are dependencies also. I have to admit that the more I see of Debian, the more I appreciate it. You have only just begun! dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs: mail and Lilo ...
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 10:50:12PM +1000, Adam Bogacki wrote: By way of explanation: I have managed to open a connection via my ISP - which only seems .. The other thing is that I have a few important message on my Win 98 drive I wish to access as reasonably soon as possible. I'd appreciate advice on how to configure Lilo to allow the option between these two drives. At the moment it opens solely into Debian Linux - something Windows was usually accused of doing (i.e. hogging the system). Remember that you can also access those messages if they are emails or text files by mounting the windows partition on a linux directory. Here is the entry from my etc/fstab file system mount point type options dump pass /dev/hda1 /dosvfatgid=502,user,rw 0 0 I also have my Windows-Netscape-Mail-Inbox under /dos symlinked into my Mutt directory and called windows_mail. -- You will pay for your sins. If you have already paid, please disregard this message. Michael Lake, University of Technology, Sydney Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 URL: http://www.science.uts.edu.au/~michael-lake/ Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. *** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs: mail and Lilo ...
By way of explanation: I have managed to open a connection via my ISP - which only seems to work as root - and found that Balsa sends mail but does receive it at the moment; I'm working on it. Mailx, Mutt, Pine, and Elm also do not seem to work. The other thing is that I have a few important message on my Win 98 drive I wish to access as reasonably soon as possible. I'd appreciate advice on how to configure Lilo to allow the option between these two drives. At the moment it opens solely into Debian Linux - something Windows was usually accused of doing (i.e. hogging the system). Adam. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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Try adding this in your /etc/lilo.conf file: other=/dev/hda1 label=dos table=/dev/hda Then type lilo and make sure it has added dos as a boot prompt. Regards, Scott Adam Bogacki wrote: By way of explanation: I have managed to open a connection via my ISP - which only seems to work as root - and found that Balsa sends mail but does receive it at the moment; I'm working on it. Mailx, Mutt, Pine, and Elm also do not seem to work. The other thing is that I have a few important message on my Win 98 drive I wish to access as reasonably soon as possible. I'd appreciate advice on how to configure Lilo to allow the option between these two drives. At the moment it opens solely into Debian Linux - something Windows was usually accused of doing (i.e. hogging the system). Adam. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian birth pangs
Adam Bogacki wrote:
Also LILO does not give me access to the other (Win) drive. How
does one confiugure Debian Lilo to provide this option ?
Hmm, sending me a debian Q?
man lilo won't help much, but man lilo.conf will (as suggested at the
bottom of man lilo.
Of course, I'm on a Suse 6.4 system.
I think there is a lilo-HOWTO Try http://www.linux.org.au/LDP for it, if
it isn't already on your system
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Re: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs: mail and Lilo ...
Try adding this in your /etc/lilo.conf file: other=/dev/hda1 label=dos table=/dev/hda Then type lilo and make sure it has added dos as a boot prompt. You may also have to add (above the kernel sections): prompt timeout=50 and comment out the delay=x line and run /sbin/lilo. If you're running Debian, which doesn't have that enabled by default, you'll have to uncomment it. If editing configuration files by hand seems too daunting (it happens - but do get used to it) then you can use the 'liloconfig' program as root to setup lilo for you. If all else fails, read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/lilo. -- Steve I'm a sysadmin because I couldn't beat a blind monkey in a coding contest. --Me -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs: mail and Lilo ...
Adam, I strongly recommend you get a copy of Learning Debian GNU/Linux. You can get this at Dymocks or http://www.everythinglinux.com.au Thus spake Adam Bogacki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): By way of explanation: I have managed to open a connection via my ISP - which only seems to work as root - and found that Balsa sends mail but does receive it at the moment; I'm working on it. Mailx, Mutt, Pine, and Elm also do not seem to work. You don't have your mail system configured correctly, this is performed on installation. Run the below command: dpkg-reconfigure exim if that doesnt work, then run: apt-get install exim and repeat the first command. Another thing you may note is that Debian does things securely and properly. If a user wants to control dialing up, they need to be added to the appropriate group. Same for playing audio, mounting drives and many other functions. Have a look in /etc/group -- Cheers, Craige. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian Menu Customisation
\begin{Craige McWhirter}
Morning. I'm trying to add my own custom menu items using the ~/.menu
system. When I run menu-update my menu updates are not inserted, nor are
there any errors. My menu files are good because I can copy them to
/usr/lib/menu and they get inseted into the menus correctly.
Any clue sticks out there? The Debian doco just says to do what I've
done :)
try update-menus -v (or even -d) ?
it works fine, i've done it before. the only problem i had was that
the menus it creates are now in your home directory. when you have a
nfs mounted home, the menus no longer reflect what is installed on the
current machine. (there's probably some hack around this)
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This just gives me vebose or debugged output. I cant see any error
messages. It says it is reading my .menu dir and is updating from there
but it just doesnt.
Thus spake Angus Lees ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), on 0:
\begin{Craige McWhirter}
Morning. I'm trying to add my own custom menu items using the ~/.menu
system. When I run menu-update my menu updates are not inserted, nor are
there any errors. My menu files are good because I can copy them to
/usr/lib/menu and they get inseted into the menus correctly.
Any clue sticks out there? The Debian doco just says to do what I've
done :)
try update-menus -v (or even -d) ?
it works fine, i've done it before. the only problem i had was that
the menus it creates are now in your home directory. when you have a
nfs mounted home, the menus no longer reflect what is installed on the
current machine. (there's probably some hack around this)
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[SLUG] Re: Debian encrypted FS
\begin{Arunava Sen}
I just installed a base potato system and upgraded to unstable. this is
my first debian system, so im just getting used to some of the stuff. I
was wondering... does anyone here have encrypted FS working with debian?
From what I understand, I can use the make-kpkg script to apply the
relevant security enabled kernel patch (which is now available for
2.4.3, I think). But, doesnt the actual set-up of the FS require
excryption-enabled (patched?) versions of the util-linux package as
well?
I couldnt find any security-patched version in the debian archives. Of
course, I can get the source and patch it and recompile, But id rather
have it go through the packaging system, if possible. Any ideas, or
unofficial apt-get sources for the packages?
is loopback working in 2.4.3 yet?
for 2.2, all you need to do is install kernel-patch-int, then build
the kernel (remove "fakeroot" if doing as root (tsk)) with:
untar /usr/src/kernel-source-2.xx $somewhere
cd $somewhere
export PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES
fakeroot make-kpkg --revision mykernel.1 kernel_image
dpkg -i ../kernel-image-2*_mykernel.1*.deb
for 2.4 you'll have to apply the patch manually (there's no debian
package yet), then run the same make-kpkg command.
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[SLUG] Re: Debian Newbie and X
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When you say you kill it, what and how are you doing it?
I'd guess that you were killing X, and not xdm.
(ie [ctrl][alt][backspace] at the xdm login prompt kills your
X server, and xdm will restart it)
also: if you checked out /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources, you'd see:
xlogin*login.translations: #override \
CtrlKeyR: abort-display()
and guess (correctly) that pressing ^R at the login prompt will exit
xdm itself.
(gtk has so far to go)
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[SLUG] Re: debian-user-digest Digest V101 #78
Hi there, I have previously set up a network at home, one acts as a gateway and it is connected to my isp via ppp, and the other one accesses internet through the gateway. I have since rearranged my room and decided to rebuild one of my slower computers and make it the gateway computer. I installed potato release 2 onto it. after pppconfig, I installed kernel 2.4.2 onto the computer. YOu can assume that my configuration for pppconfig is correct, since I did a straight copy from my working gateway. plog showed that it did shake hand with the isp's server at least and it stayed alive. My problem is that it could not ping my isp neither could it ping the outside network. Do I need to configure /etc/network/interfaces? I don't think I needed to though. Note, my current working gateway is not using the /etc/networking/interface feature, but using the old init script in /etc/init.d with lots of "ifconfig" and "route add" here's what I got when ppp is not on: (192.168.1.3 is the new gateway box that I was trying to build). Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.3 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 here's what I got when ppp is on: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 129.78.56.160.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 this is what I want to get when ppp is on: (129.78.56.17 is given by my ISP, but this is not the DNS, 192.168.1.1 is the old gateway that I have, and it is running). Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 129.78.56.170.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 192.168.1.0 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0 UG0 00 eth0 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo 0.0.0.0 129.78.56.170.0.0.0 UG0 00 ppp0 this is what my /etc/network/interfaces looks like: # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface iface lo inet loopback # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian installation# (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 please give me some pointers here. thanks in advance. Bill -- Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and when it is bad, it is better than nothing. -- Dick Brandon - Bill Shui Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bioinformatics Programmer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian is the One True Way(tm)
Martin wrote: Nick Petreley gets specific: apt-get, Debian's way of updating and upgrading, is the right way to resolve the dependency problems that plague the various distros and ultimately hobble Linux's ability to take over the computing world. (1,700 words)" (sorry, couldn't help myself! -- Matthew) i forgot my other point which was that people (ie. connectiva) are porting apt to other package managers (ie. rpm) and so the whole apt virus spreads... ;) later marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian is the One True Way(tm)
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Martin wrote: (sorry, couldn't help myself! -- Matthew) i forgot my other point which was that people (ie. connectiva) are porting apt to other package managers (ie. rpm) and so the whole apt virus spreads... ;) flameproof type="redhat" a question for you apt-getters: does the situation ever arise where apt-get gets way too ehtusiastic for your liking, and goes on an interminable installation spree that winds up screwing up your installed system? I wuz always very afraid of Winblows auto-updates doing that, so have *never* recommended that to lusers. As well, I've found autorpm to be quite scary and stopid. /flameproof -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian Vs SuSE ?
Dear All I've not tried SuSE - and it's pretty unlikely I'll try it - but we had awful trouble with SuSE and Red Hat's PCMCIA support here... I was afraid that someone might say this :( My own thing and those of my associates is that we strongly object to having to ask questions of a Cray technician at Manchester Computing Centre to get hold of some ideas about how to get the PCMCIA drivers to work in Debian. Even he has problems understanding what to do and he's the fella who wrote FDISK. Myself and a friend have installed Debian 2.2 r2 into his USI Taiwanese notebook. These are very much like a Toshiba clone. He cannot get someone to tell him how to get the PCMCIA drivers to start up. We find that there are two voltages for PCMCIA cards. There are 3volt and 5 volt. Whichever one you get is a complete lottery which is decided by the MS Windows salesman who sells the notebook to you - here in the UK there is no support for Linux on the notebook. You have to do it yourself and without help from anywhere. So, you are screwed before you start. This is the end of six months of investigation into configuration problems and notebooks. We've tried all sorts of hardware and software. Still can't get a Debian notebook to boot without a NASA certified computing expert to tell us what to do. Im afraid that this is the best effort that an international team of engineers and computer scientists can manage in the UK. I have actually encountered a Debian fan from the Isle of Wight who can get a notebook going first time. But, he does admit that he can do that because he's hardly ever done anything else. Thanks Richard -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian Vs SuSE ?
Richard was once rumoured to have said: Dear All I've not tried SuSE - and it's pretty unlikely I'll try it - but we had awful trouble with SuSE and Red Hat's PCMCIA support here... I was afraid that someone might say this :( [Mucho ranting snipped] Still can't get a Debian notebook to boot without a NASA certified computing expert to tell us what to do. ?!!! You'd be one of a very very *VERY* small number. I've gotten debian's PCMCIA to work first time, out of the box, on my Telxon PTC-1194 (TI CardBus) and on a Toshiba Satalite Pro 490X-CDT (After disabling CardBus - mind you, this was back in '98 and CardBus was not very well supported back then). Its not rocket science. Its not even difficult. When you install base, the pcmcia package matches the kernel and modules on the associated install disk. If you recompile your kernel, you must recompile the PCMCIA modules. This isn't quite so bad with 2.4.x, since PCMCIA is now in the kernel [but you still need pcmcia card services]. Just be sure, after rebooting, that you don't accept the "You don't appear to have PCMCIA, do you want to remove the pcmcia package?" prompt - this is a known bug in the installer. The only blues I've had is that the Telxon is a little... well... weird. I only have one free IRQ for PCMCIA cards, and so I have issues when I try to use the PCMCIA modem at the same time as my ATA CF cards. IRQ7 is no-op for PCMCIA on this laptop (you can assign it, but the system won't see the card's interrupts), and there are other little issues too it would seem. Im afraid that this is the best effort that an international team of engineers and computer scientists can manage in the UK. nark They obviously know nothing about getting systems up in the first place. /nark C. -- --==-- Crossfire | This email was brought to you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on 100% Recycled Electrons --==-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian Boot Scripts
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[SLUG] re : Debian Install
I wrote Any suggestions about how to stop pcmcia loading? I have not selected it as a module to load in the initial configuration. It never fails. You can spend an hour looking for the answer to a problem and 5 minutes after emailing the list you find the answer. Of course pcmcia is not loaded as a module it is loaded through a script in init.d. I was also looking at the wrong site for laptops and have now found the guide for my particular laptop at http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop regards Steven -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: debian/rules
\begin{chesty}
I'm thinking about making some deb packages that makes some changes
to config files that I need to edit on every box I install. Nothing too
fancy, just things like echo "alias ls='ls --color'" /etc/bash.bashrc
Its nice to have a standard environment on all boxes.
apt-get install cfengine cfengine-doc
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Re: Debian ipmasq (Was: Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian)
quote who="Peter Hardy" With the following in my /etc/apt/sources.list deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian stable main contrib non-free deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian dists/proposed-updates/ Aha. Potato... I was making the unstable assumption. All my output was from unstable (which I should have said). apt-cache show ipchains returns _nothing at all_. Not even an Unable to locate error. On my 486 firewall... dpkg -S ipchains: netbase: /usr/share/man/man8/ipchains-restore.8.gz netbase: /sbin/ipchains-restore netbase: /usr/share/man/man8/ipchains.8.gz netbase: /usr/share/man/man8/ipchains-save.8.gz netbase: /sbin/ipchains netbase: /sbin/ipchains-save netbase: /usr/share/doc/netbase/ipchains-quickref.ps.gz netbase: /usr/share/doc/netbase/ipchains-HOWTO.txt.gz (Yes, my firewall is called kylie. Bite me.) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Lego is the plural of Lego. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: Debian ipmasq (Was: Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian)
quote who="Peter Hardy" With the following in my /etc/apt/sources.list deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian stable main contrib non-free deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian dists/proposed-updates/ In my previous email, I should have said that it's better to use HTTP for your source lines. HTTP/1.1 is more efficient, plus, you don't have the log in steps that you do with FTP. Speed is always nice. ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "Free software never simply picks up its marbles and goes home." - Jonathan Corbet, LWN -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian
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I am looking at the ipmasq package. So far it looks like taking a simple
system and abstracting it so far from reality that it becomes more rather
than less difficult than writing a script file and calling it from rc.local
what are you trying to do with ipmasq?
it should "just work" for most setups. the only time i've had to tweak
it is if i wanted ports forwarded back inside, or if i had some
strange subnet also routed through me.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian
...and then Angus Lees said:
\begin{[EMAIL PROTECTED]}
I am looking at the ipmasq package. So far it looks like taking a simple
system and abstracting it so far from reality that it becomes more rather
than less difficult than writing a script file and calling it from rc.local
I've installed ipmasq, having a brief play with it. My only question is,
what's happened to ipchains? I thought I'd have to remove to instal ipmasq,
but it doesn't seem to include the actual ipchains util, and I can't find
the ipchains package on mirror anymore.. What gives?
- Peter, who's hoping like hell he won't have to reboot anytime soon :-)
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian
quote who="Peter Hardy" I've installed ipmasq, having a brief play with it. My only question is, what's happened to ipchains? I thought I'd have to remove to instal ipmasq, but it doesn't seem to include the actual ipchains util, and I can't find the ipchains package on mirror anymore.. What gives? WARNING: One line extracts ahead! dpkg -S ipchains: ipchains: /sbin/ipchains apt-cache show ipmasq: Depends: netbase apt-cache show netbase: Depends: net-tools | iproute, ifupdown, ipchains | ipfwadm | iptables, netkit-inetd, tcpd, netkit-ping | iputils-ping ipmasq needs to have ipchains or ipfwadm installed on the system, as they are the tools for setting up rules. The ipchains will be on the mirror - what happens when you apt-get for it? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "Can we have a special TELSABUG category, and everything gets dropped to fix them first?" - Telsa Gwynne -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Debian ipmasq (Was: Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian)
...and then Jeff Waugh said: ipmasq needs to have ipchains or ipfwadm installed on the system, as they are the tools for setting up rules. The ipchains will be on the mirror - what happens when you apt-get for it? Which is kind of strange. I did an apt-get remove ipchains first, then installed ipmasq, which worked. With the following in my /etc/apt/sources.list deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian stable main contrib non-free deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian dists/proposed-updates/ I do apt-get install ipchains: Package ipchains has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list E: Package ipchains has no installation candidate Looking a little deeper, and I really start to get concerned: apt-cache show netbase: Depends: tcpd, libc6 (= 2.1.2), libwrap0 apt-cache show ipchains returns _nothing at all_. Not even an Unable to locate error. - Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://members.optushome.com.au/peterhardy God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players (ie., everybody), to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time. -- Good Omens Terry Pratchett Neil Gaiman -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: debian, 2.4 kernel, pcmcia
\begin{David Kempe}
I have downloaded the 2.4tar.gz and some debs i think i will need. LIke gcc
and binutils.
Do i need some sort of kernel header?
in the 2.4 .tar.gz
Oh, im going to need libcurses. Anyone think of anything else i need on top
of a base install.
apt-cache show kernel-package
stripping out the debian specific stuff (used to build the kernel
packages), we have:
Depends: fileutils
Recommends: libc-dev, gcc, make
I have no debian cds, and no network connectivity to the box except in
windows. So apt-get doesnt really help me :(
apt-get --print-uris
presumably you can find a windows program that will just download a
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Re: [SLUG] Re: debian printtool
On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 02:47:25AM +1100, Angus Lees wrote:
\begin{Dave Fitch}
only appears to be available in the "unstable" section.
So far I've only been installing "stable" stuff.
How does installing an "unstable" thing affect the
rest of the system?
Depends, really.
heh.. only use it if you recompile it yourself. otherwise you need to
suck in most of unstable too (due to new libc versions, etc).
You don't have to do that. Going from a recommendation on IRC, you can put "deb-src
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian unstable main contrib non-free", and after
apt-get updating, run 'apt-get -b source printtool', but when i tried this, it broke
fatally, and refused to work. (printtool, that is)
I'm trying to configure my printer (HP laserjet4)
and printtool has worked the best for me in the past
so I was going to keep using it - unless anyone can
suggest something better that's already in debian?
(what are you supposed to use if not printtool?)
i always use LPRng and "magicfilter". magicfilter was better than
apsfilter when i made the switch, but i think apsfilter has been
rewritten a fair amount since then.
I use LPRng, and apsfilter, and yes it has been rewritten a few times at least.
apsfilter(8) is quite cool, and it just works, after you install all the filters
(which were absolute bitch to install, a Hint[tm] to the apsfilter maintainer is make
the filters either Depends, or Recommends, as magicfilter does.)
when you install it, it runs magicfilterconfig(8), which will set
stuff up for you. hplj4 is the default even.
Same stuff, different spelling. ApsFilter seems to be the same in this regard.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: debian printtool
ok thanks guys, LPRng and magicfilter will do the job nicely. I'd like to avoid adding "unstable" stuff if at all possible (given once this machine has got everything I want on it, upgrades will be infrequent). Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: debian printtool
\begin{Dave Fitch}
only appears to be available in the "unstable" section.
So far I've only been installing "stable" stuff.
How does installing an "unstable" thing affect the
rest of the system?
heh.. only use it if you recompile it yourself. otherwise you need to
suck in most of unstable too (due to new libc versions, etc).
I'm trying to configure my printer (HP laserjet4)
and printtool has worked the best for me in the past
so I was going to keep using it - unless anyone can
suggest something better that's already in debian?
(what are you supposed to use if not printtool?)
i always use LPRng and "magicfilter". magicfilter was better than
apsfilter when i made the switch, but i think apsfilter has been
rewritten a fair amount since then.
when you install it, it runs magicfilterconfig(8), which will set
stuff up for you. hplj4 is the default even.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian Upgrade Problem
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 07:36:59PM +1100, Jason Rennie wrote: Ok the output you requested is attached. Would it be simpler to reinstall at this point ? The system isn't really configured yet, so i wouldn't loose much work. Reinstalling is up to you. The problem you are having is trivially fixed. Also i recompiled the kernel so modconf doens't work. How should i recompile the kernel to make modconf work ?? Jason Script started on Wed Nov 29 18:53:41 2000 stampy:~# dpkg -C The following packages have been unpacked but not yet configured. They must be configured using dpkg --configure or the configure menu option in dselect for them to work: libpopt0 lib for parsing cmdline parameters tk8.2-devThe Tk toolkit for TCL and X11 v8.2 - Development Files. The following packages are only half configured, probably due to problems configuring them the first time. The configuration should be retried using dpkg --configure package or the configure menu option in dselect: tcl8.2-dev The Tool Command Language (TCL) v8.2 - Development Files. Can we have the output of the suggested command? $ dpkg --configure tcl8.2-dev stampy:~# apt-get install Reading Package Lists... 0% Reading Package Lists... 100% Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... 0% Building Dependency Tree... 0% Building Dependency Tree... 50% Building Dependency Tree... 50% Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-help: Depends: gnome-core (= 1.2.4-helix1) but 1.2.4-2 is installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. Ah, so it isn't a "pure" system but one with helix stuff. Helix have not (in the past) understood how to correctly package things for Debian with regards to version numbers. I'm not sure if this is fixed yet. [snip - gnome-core problem] The gnome-core problem is being caused by an error in the helix packages. Comment our the helix source lines and try with a `pure' Debian install once - you've configured what you need, try Helix gnome again. Although all the Helix gnome stuff (except their copyrighted logos has, to my knowledge, been incorporated in the woody gnome version). Oh, and since you tryig out woody, give konquere a go -- it isn't too bad from what I recall. Regards, Anand -- Linux.Conf.Au -- http://linux.conf.au/ 17th - 20th January,-- Alan Cox, David Miller, Sydney, Australia -- Tridge, maddog and you? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian Upgrade Problem
Ok the output you requested is attached. Would it be simpler to reinstall at this point ? The system isn't really configured yet, so i wouldn't loose much work. Reinstalling is up to you. The problem you are having is trivially fixed. I did eventually get it figured out. The box works now, but I can't get xfree4 to compile on it. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian Upgrade Problem
On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 04:56:15AM +1100, Jason Rennie wrote: Ok the output you requested is attached. Would it be simpler to reinstall at this point ? The system isn't really configured yet, so i wouldn't loose much work. Reinstalling is up to you. The problem you are having is trivially fixed. I did eventually get it figured out. The box works now, but I can't get xfree4 to compile on it. Can you actually give some detail when you post? This tells me nothing and means I can assist you in any way shape or form. You might as well tell me your toaster isn't working. Is it the fact that you have no electricity, the element is burnt out, you have no bread, it isn't plugged in, the switch isn't on, you haven't pressed down on the toaster-thing-to-press-down, etc. Anand -- Linux.Conf.Au -- http://linux.conf.au/ 17th - 20th January,-- Alan Cox, David Miller, Sydney, Australia -- Tridge, maddog and you? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian Upgrade Problem
On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 04:22:18AM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 04:56:15AM +1100, Jason Rennie wrote: Ok the output you requested is attached. Would it be simpler to reinstall at this point ? The system isn't really configured yet, so i wouldn't loose much work. Reinstalling is up to you. The problem you are having is trivially fixed. I did eventually get it figured out. The box works now, but I can't get xfree4 to compile on it. Can you actually give some detail when you post? This tells me nothing and means I can assist you in any way shape or form. s/can/can not Also, posting details could help others in the same situation as you have been in. Anand -- Linux.Conf.Au -- http://linux.conf.au/ 17th - 20th January,-- Alan Cox, David Miller, Sydney, Australia -- Tridge, maddog and you? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian Upgrade Problem
The box works now, but I can't get xfree4 to compile on it. Can you actually give some detail when you post? Actaully it was intended as a comment. IF you would like details, i've rebuild kernel 2.4.0-test11, and i have d/l'd the latest dri from cvs on sourceforge. I've followed the compile guide and it dies about half way through. I don't have exactly where on hand. I was going to try as bit more before I bothered asking for help. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian Upgrade Problem
Anand Kumria wrote: ll me your toaster isn't working. Is it the fact that you have no electricity, the element is burnt out, you have no bread, it isn't plugged in, the switch isn't on, you haven't pressed down on the toaster-thing-to-press-down, etc. Anand Not sure which, difficult to see during the blackout :-P Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian Compliment
\begin{Craige McWhirter}
I *still* cant get my Maestro sound chips to work under Debian when
they worked under RH
works for me without any hassles..
are you actually loading the module? (or told kerneld that that is
the sound module it should use?)
(either add "maestro" to /etc/modules to load it explicitly at boot,
or create a /etc/modutils/mine (or something) file with .. some lines
i'd have to check ;)
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian Compliment
even loading it by hand the damn thing wont load. Here's a sample:
Loading driver:
Starting sound driver: (es1968)
Setting the PCM volume to 100% and the Master output volume to 50%
The ALSA sound driver was not detected in this system.
Could not initialize the mixer, the card was probably
not detected correctly.
Using modprobe never got me anywhere either :/ Searching the net I've
found plenty of people with the same problems but never the answers. What
laptop model are you using? How are you loading the driver?
On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:02:39 Angus Lees wrote:
\begin{Craige McWhirter}
I *still* cant get my Maestro sound chips to work under Debian when
they worked under RH
works for me without any hassles..
are you actually loading the module? (or told kerneld that that is
the sound module it should use?)
(either add "maestro" to /etc/modules to load it explicitly at boot,
or create a /etc/modutils/mine (or something) file with .. some lines
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[SLUG] Re: Debian Upgrade Problem
\begin{Jason Rennie}
The problem seemed to be with tcl-tk.
I reran apt-get -f install a few times and eventaully the only probalmatic
packages where these ones.
The software is claiming that it can't be removed becasue of package
dependencies, but when i try to remove the packet it depends on then it
says that the package can't be removed becasue it isn't installed.
gimme dpkg -C output and the output from your failed apt-get install
you probably need to finish installing tcl-tk, so we need to know why
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gimme dpkg -C output and the output from your failed apt-get install you probably need to finish installing tcl-tk, so we need to know why it failed. Ok the output you requested is attached. Would it be simpler to reinstall at this point ? The system isn't really configured yet, so i wouldn't loose much work. Also i recompiled the kernel so modconf doens't work. How should i recompile the kernel to make modconf work ?? Jason Script started on Wed Nov 29 18:53:41 2000 stampy:~# dpkg -C The following packages have been unpacked but not yet configured. They must be configured using dpkg --configure or the configure menu option in dselect for them to work: libgnomeui32 The Gnome libraries (User Interface) mc Midnight Commander - A powerful file manager. - normal ve imlib-base Common files needed by the Imlib/Gdk-Imlib packages libpanel-applet0 Library for Gnome Panel applets setserialControls configuration of serial ports. geditsmall, lightweight gnome-based editor for X11 gmc Midnight Commander - A powerful file manager. - Gnome ver libcapplet0 Library for Gnome Control Center applets libglade0Library to load .glade files at runtime. libgnomesupport0 The Gnome libraries (Support libraries) gnome-help GNOME help browser manpages Man pages about using a Linux system. gnome-control-center The Gnome Control Center libglib1.2 The GLib library of C routines blt-dev Development in blt - a tcl/tk extension library liborbit0Libraries for ORBit - a CORBA ORB gnome-faqFrequently Asked Questions about GNOME mc-commonCommon files for mc and gmc libart2 The Gnome canvas widget libglade-gnome0 Library to load .glade files at runtime (Gnome widgets su libgnome32 The Gnome libraries debhelperhelper programs for debian/rules gnome-media Gnome Media Utilities (gmix, gtcd) libgtkxmhtml1The Gnome gtkxmhtml (HTML) widget bsdmainutils More utilities from FreeBSD. libxml1 GNOME XML library gdk-imlib1 Gdk-Imlib is an imaging library for use with gtk ed The classic unix line editor libgnorba27 Gnome CORBA services libghttp1Gnome HTTP client library gnome-libs-data Data for Gnome libraries gnome-help-data GNOME help browser data gnome-binMiscellaneous binaries used by Gnome imlib1 Imlib is an imaging library for X and X11 libgtk1.2The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X libgnorbagtk0Gnome CORBA services (Gtk bindings) libpopt0 lib for parsing cmdline parameters tk8.2-devThe Tk toolkit for TCL and X11 v8.2 - Development Files. The following packages are only half configured, probably due to problems configuring them the first time. The configuration should be retried using dpkg --configure package or the configure menu option in dselect: tcl8.2-dev The Tool Command Language (TCL) v8.2 - Development Files. stampy:~# apt-get install Reading Package Lists... 0% Reading Package Lists... 100% Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... 0% Building Dependency Tree... 0% Building Dependency Tree... 50% Building Dependency Tree... 50% Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-help: Depends: gnome-core (= 1.2.4-helix1) but 1.2.4-2 is installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. stampy:~# apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... 0% Reading Package Lists... 100% Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... 0% Building Dependency Tree... 0% Building Dependency Tree... 50% Building Dependency Tree... 50% Building Dependency Tree... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: gnome-core 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 138 not upgraded. 39 packages not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B/1253kB of archives. After unpacking 982kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y (Reading database ... 44681 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace gnome-core 1.2.4-2 (using .../gnome-core_1.2.4-helix1_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement gnome-core ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-core_1.2.4-helix1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/gnome-panel-properties-capplet.1.gz', which is also in package gnome-panel dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing:
[SLUG] Re: Debian Install Question
\begin{Jason Rennie}
I'm planning on installing debina on a box i have at home. However i have
a few quick question as to how to go about it.
have a quick flick through:
http://www.au.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install.en.html
particularly the chapter on install methods
Firstly i was planning to do a netowrk install of all of the distro, so i
don't need a set of disks. However the base install needs 11 floppy disks
plus the boot disks (right?).
you only need two (or is it three now?) disks, for kernel, root
filesystem and kernel drivers (modules). assuming you have "normal"
hardware (no scsi), you should be able to get away with using the
*-compact kernel/drivers, which are significantly smaller.
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you only need two (or is it three now?) disks, for kernel, root filesystem and kernel drivers (modules). assuming you have "normal" hardware (no scsi), you should be able to get away with using the *-compact kernel/drivers, which are significantly smaller. I got that angus, but how do i get the base install onto the system. I don't have nfs setup (or compiled into any of the kernels as i dont use it), so i was under the impression it was that, or cd or floppy install. Hence i was after a minimal cd install. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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Jason Rennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't have nfs setup (or compiled into any of the kernels as i dont use
it), so i was under the impression it was that, or cd or floppy
install. Hence i was after a minimal cd install.
With potato you've got the http option to fetch the base system.
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[SLUG] Re: Debian + alsa + reiserfs + make-kpkg
\begin{James Wilkinson}
whenever I do an apt update, my new kernel image gets dusted by the
version in the distro.
add an epoch. ie: make-kpkg --revision 1:willow.1
or make your version start with a letter, so its always greater than
the official versions (which start with a number)
some things (pcmcia packages) are too strict in their recommended
versions and so you have to force dselect to ignore them (dselect
takes recommendations a little too seriously)
re: jeff's query
applying patches automatically is really nice. i have the
kernel-crypto patches applied automatically to every kernel i build,
without me having to lift a finger. also, installing the
kernel-image.deb is even easier than typing "make install make
modules_install lilo". add automatically rebuilding "3rd party"
kernel modules (i use pcmcia and alsa), and its way easier than doing
it manually.
it keeps the System.map file in sync, the /vmlinuz.old symlink
accurate and preserves your kernel config in /boot/config-XX - things
i would keep forgetting to do if i had to do them by hand.
use make-kpkg, its worth it.
the "only asking new config questions" thing is just a normal kernel
"make oldconfig". a good trick is to get a new kernel source tree,
"cp /boot/config-current_kernel new_kernel_src/.config", then run
make-kpkg. you automatically inherit all your custom settings, and get
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian + alsa + reiserfs + make-kpkg
This one time, at band camp, Angus Lees said:
\begin{James Wilkinson}
whenever I do an apt update, my new kernel image gets dusted by the
version in the distro.
add an epoch. ie: make-kpkg --revision 1:willow.1
or make your version start with a letter, so its always greater than
the official versions (which start with a number)
'w' isn't a letter now?
I was using --revision=willow.1, and they were getting beaten by
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[SLUG] Re: Debian newbie guide for existing linux users
\begin{Jeff Waugh}
Not a chance - why is Debian special? Because it's a community as well as an
operating system. The more manpower the better, and that's why you'll find
that Debian people are amongst the most helpful you can find.
Without any profits or shareholders to-- wait a moment, there are. The
profits are better systems (and more time on our hands), and the
shareholders are fellow users.
apt-get install vomit-bag
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian newbie guide for existing linux users
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian newbie guide for existing linux users
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[SLUG] Re: Debian newbie guide for existing linux users
\begin{Jeff Waugh}
quote who="Doug Stalker"
So lets assume for a moment I want to get X windows working, preferably
with Helix Gnome.
First off, run either:
a) tasksel, and choose the "X Window System" task, or,
b) apt-get install task-x-window-system
apt-get install task-helix-gnome
you could just install task-helix-gnome. hopefully that would end up
pulling in all of X too.
one of the problems with only using apt-get to install stuff, is that
you miss out on "suggested" and "recommended" packages. when you don't
quite know what you want, these suggestions are very useful. if you
really hate dselect that much, i'd suggest trying aptitude or
gnome-apt.
I need to install the SVGA server - I'm sure it's on one of the three CDs,
but how do I get it off there? Man Xfree86_SVGA won't tell me how to
install it in the first place.
The best bit is that it's all anally packaged, and ready to go as soon as
you install it. It's all standard, and it all makes sense.
Potato includes some debconf things, but I'm not entirely sure what for. X
is certainly configured as it's installed.
of course by these jeff means:
"X is *not* setup by default. install the xf86setup package, then run
XF86Setup"
under branden's new X packages (experimental Xfree 4 ones), there's a
new tool "dexter", which does a good job of giving you a working X
setup with minimal interaction. XF86Setup is xfree's own config
tool. its really quite nice.
What if I don't have a network connection? Having the system update
itself over the net is great, but I wan't to be able to burn stuff to CD
at work and take it home to install.
I'm "blessed" with a 56k modem at home, so I can't really mirror the entire
x86 woody tree, so you may want to post these questions to the list, or read
the documentation for mirror and apt-cdrom.
if you can get to a zip drive (or similar (re)movable media - eg: a
laptop), have a look at apt-zip.
if you have a cd burner and unlimited bandwidth, just burn yourself a
copy of the slink cd's (3 of them), and you should be fine (until you
decide you miss the adrenaline rush from upgrading libc twice a week
and having everything crash/hang mysteriously)
basically, so long as you roughly duplicate the package tree on the
ftp site, and update the Packages.gz files (using dpkg-scanpackages)
before burning - apt will work with it, whether its ftp, http, cdrom
or just somewhere in your filesystem.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian newbie guide for existing linux users
quote who="Angus Lees" you could just install task-helix-gnome. hopefully that would end up pulling in all of X too. (I won't say anything about not relying on the Helix packages to be as absolutely top-notch as the mainline packages...) 8 uninformed comments about potato given that I haven't used it much at all really ;) 8 under branden's new X packages (experimental Xfree 4 ones), there's a new tool "dexter", which does a good job of giving you a working X setup with minimal interaction. XF86Setup is xfree's own config tool. its really quite nice. Alternatively, try Conectiva's xf86cfg. (How many permutations of X, Free, 86 and Config can we turn into a filename?) It's perky and graphical and swanky and broken most of the time but if there are pretty pictures that makes everything alright. *breath* 8 snip dpkg-scanpackages wisdom I shall store in the back of my mind 8 - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Debian newbie guide for existing linux users
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Jeff Waugh generated: Alternatively, try Conectiva's xf86cfg. (How many permutations of X, Free, 86 and Config can we turn into a filename?) There's a command to do just that. # apt-get install an $ an xfree86config fixer cog fen exec grin off exec ring off exec frog fin fix fencer go fix force eng fix cern go fe fix cog fen re fix con erg fe fox cringe fe fox fence rig rex nice goff rex cog fin fe rex cog if fen rex con fig fe ox fencer fig ox cern fig fe ex forcing fe ex cringe off ex coffin erg ex confer fig ex coffer gin ex nicer goff ex corn fig fe ex cern fig of ex cern fog if ex cog fir fen ex cog if fern -- Sure, I subscribe to USENET, but I only get it for the articles. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Debian Automated Installs
\begin{John Ferlito}
Has anyone played with automating debian installs? So far I've
come across fai and replicator which both seem fairly young packages so
don't really work seamlessly. What I'm really after is something similar
to redhats kickstart disk. Basically put a disk in the drive debian gets
installed with a package list i specify and doesn't ask any questions
and then I just have to config it up.
i got by with hacking the boot-floppies package to use a few different
defaults. it wasn't too hard, but i was aiming for a "just keep
pressing return" install, not a fully automated one.
including a different package list is fairly straightforward, actually
removing the dinstall prompting will need a little more hacking.
preventing package postinsts from prompting should be a little easier
now that most of them use debconf. you just have to seed the debconf
database with your (non-default) answers and/or use the
"noninteractive" frontend. see the debconf docs and the (perl)
source.
there will still be a few packages that prompt - you'll have to just
cope with that, or hack their scripts to avoid the prompt and
repackage them (actually not that hard, just irritating)
boot-floppies for woody will include a non-interactive install
(hopefully) - you may want to join debian-boot and see what they come
up with
alternatively, go the fai approach (iirc), and avoid the boot floppies
altogether. its not hard to hack up a script that does the same job as
the install process and then run it off an nfsroot or something. (i
basically did that by hand for my diskless multia install (using
slink) - see http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~gusl/multia-howto/)
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[SLUG] Re: Debian and Security
On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 08:01:19AM +, Herbert Xu wrote: John Ferlito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering what are the security.debian.org list of packages for in the default sources.list. When security whole are found aren't the pacjages in the main tree updated? Or is it just a speed thing where security is updated much more rapidly than main to try and get patches out faster? ie rsyncd hourly rather than daily? It's a speed thing. The stable tree is never touched until a point release is made. So security fixes will stay on security.debian.org between point releases. and i've never understood this.. debian has this wonderful "apt-get upgrade" command, yet they seem to only want it for unstable. so instead, packages get kept in security.d.o for a few months, and anyone who mirrors it is chastised. i don't see why the cd version has to match *exactly* whats on the ftp site. surely easy/seamless upgrades of security fixes are more important. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
