Re: [RCSE] Re: 2M - NATS
Well, ironically, that's exactly how i started at the Nats, with that exact airplane. Got me involved -- between flying rounds, I ran the turnarounds for years, got the Spirit of Soaring Award in '97 that I was pleased to receive from Mike Stump, and share with Jim Deck,then E.D'd the whole chebang in '02. Sure, i always finished in that half of the results sheet that made the top half possible, but it sure was fun! I guess everyone's experience is a little different, and everyone certainly is entitled to their opinions. Dana Flemming Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll again note that I don't see many newbies showing up at the field with a 3M full house moldie. But I do see them come out with a 2M TD or 1.8M speed 400. So let's play to the strength of that distribution.And how many "Newbies" show up at the NATS to fly 2M with their GP Spirits??What new guys in the hobby fly has little, if any, bearing on whatcompetition classes should be flown at the NATS.
Re: [RCSE] Need some guidance from the gurus...........
Will this be a good enough fix or should I start over? I really think this plane would be a fun ship to fly if it were lighter. You didn't say what kind of plane it was. There are some planes out there that are a challenge just to get to fly at all, if its one of those and you're not the constructing/tinkering sort then its best to get rid of it. If its built like a brick then it may work well on the slope, especially if its not a poly (poly + slope = boring). The first thing you need to do is figure out how heavy the plane actually is. If its about the same weight as similar planes (32..36oz) then it may be carrying all that lead because its got modern lightweight radio gear in it. If its in that range and doesn't fly then check its alignment -- unintended twists in the wing and alignment/mounting problems will ruin what performance it had. (Its possible that the stab had been damaged in the past and the replacement slab 'o wood was glued on without getting the mounting flat, this decallage angle is critical, if its out by just a couple of degrees the plane just won't work.) If the plane is significantly heavier then you could start looking for weight savings -- move everything forward as much as possible (especially the battery). Cutting holes in things won't save that much weight in this type of plane, it might be easier to just replace the stab with one cut from a piece of Coroplast (that corrugated plastic material used in some foamies). Its quite a lot of fun to make a PoS fly. It'll never work as well as a brand new factory built 2m Icon but that's not the point. (If all you want to do is stay up then maybe the best thing to do is remove the noseblock and replace it by an electric motor.) Martin Usher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Art M
Sorry to waste the bandwidth but Art can't receive my emails. Art, I'll know later today how many modules are available and get back to you. BTW, I sent the 'test' email right after we talked. George Voss RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Bling Bling 2m
hh!!! The Icon's are procreating. :^) Mike At 06:22 PM 2/11/2005, James V. Bacus wrote: Hey, you guys wanna see a cool 2m? Here's a picture of it amongst normal sized models... http://www.jimbacus.net/blog/2004/images/miniicon.jpg Fully molded, custom painted, completely JR digital, definitely the most BLING BLING 2m at Nats in 2005. 8-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Hinges
Does anybody can say me what kind of kevlar ( tape or tissue ) can be used as hinges in a balsa covered wing? Tks in advance. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: 2M - NATS
Dana, It is refreshing to see that some people know what to do with extra time at the NATS (I ran the turnarounds for years). I can't remember having seen most of the people complaining about the contests helping with anything, other than criticism. I'm sure Mark G. could attest to that. I have some thoughts on the hobby and competition that most on this group won't understand but you may. After seeing all the people with GPS raging about size of planes, cost of planes, # of days of contest, and types of landings I begin to wonder about the people that are drawn to the organized part of this hobby. I just have to laugh. Life is enough of a competition for me. I was lucky enough to be able to retire early. I retired early mostly because I got tired of the day in and day out competition on the job. Tired also of the competition that some people think is necessary on the road, to and from work. I could go on but I think you get my point. My joy is going out and flying by myself or maybe one or two friends. Launching when I feel like it and actually enjoying a hobby I call thermal flying. No one has to tell me how long to fly and where to land; I grew up in the 60's. I'm one of those pilots (I use quotes because I am not very good at flying) that doesn't beat anyone and I don't get good recognition for my contest flying. I don't need it. I get something better. Satisfaction; and the kind of joy and peace some experience canoeing, bird watching or hiking. I attend many more club contest than I fly in. I attend because I like the people and enjoy helping the club run the events. I don't enjoy 4 launches per contest and on a good day maybe an hour of flying out of 5 to 7 hours on the field. I can get an hour of flying any day of the week with a two-hour outing. I guess that is why I only participated in 4 out of 10 club contest last year and none of those contest were as much fun as going to the GlASS woody contest in Michigan. Flying the Ladder event at GLASS was great with many of my flights lasting much longer than needed because the air was good and I didn't feel like landing. The only two events I really want to make this year is the GLASS woody, and the fun fly at the Woodcrafters contest. My planes aren't bigger, don't cost more, but I don't have anything to prove so I can just enjoy flying them and go home satisfied and relaxed. Well, Dana, I hope the other guys can work out all the details of the size, cost, days, and landings before it consumes too much more frustration and anger. And I hope they can go home from your contest feeling as good or better than I do, because then they will have a hobby and not another hassle in your life. John (LOFT Fort Wayne) P.S. Flame retardant pants locked on. -Original Message- From: Dana Flemming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:35 AM To: Bill Malvey; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: 2M - NATS Well, ironically, that's exactly how i started at the Nats, with that exact airplane. Got me involved -- between flying rounds, I ran the turnarounds for years, got the Spirit of Soaring Award in '97 that I was pleased to receive from Mike Stump, and share with Jim Deck, then E.D'd the whole chebang in '02. Sure, i always finished in that half of the results sheet that made the top half possible, but it sure was fun! I guess everyone's experience is a little different, and everyone certainly is entitled to their opinions. Dana Flemming Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll again note that I don't see many newbies showing up at the field with a 3M full house moldie. But I do see them come out with a 2M TD or 1.8M speed 400. So let's play to the strength of that distribution. And how many Newbies show up at the NATS to fly 2M with their GP Spirits?? What new guys in the hobby fly has little, if any, bearing on what competition classes should be flown at the NATS. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hinges
I like 3M clear Book Tape. I find it at our Teachers supply store, not in hard wear type stores. I buy it in a wide roll, then cut it to width with a straight edge and blade. I the cut short pieces and make what I call reverse Z type hinges. I apply 3 or 4 pairs of them on a control surface and then gape seal the appropriate side of the hinge line. They will likely last you a life time with no further maintenance. Works for me! Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:41:53 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anybody can say me what kind of kevlar ( tape or tissue ) can be used as hinges in a balsa covered wing? Tks in advance. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Need some guidance from the gurus...........
Break out the sandpaper. A few years back I bought a BOT from a clubmate. The fuse was all balsa, glassed and painted with *four-and-a-half* coats of krylon. (two coats of primer, two coats of white, one-half coat of yellow trim speckles) The rudder was solid balsa, and was glassed painted in the same fashion as the fuse. It was very pretty, but weighed a ton. 3/4 of a pound of lead was needed in the nose - in addition to a big battery. All the radio gear was shifted as far forward as possible. I removed the rudder, framed up a new one of 1/8 balsa and covered it. I sanded the fuse back down to the fiberglass and repainted it with a single light coat of white. The plane now weighs a full pound less than it did before. I was even able to remove most of the lead from the nose. -==- Barrett -Original Message- From: Jim Stovall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:25 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Need some guidance from the gurus... Guys, here's my dilemma. I have an older 2M sailplane that I bought used and I haven't flown for several years due to the fact that it is overweight. I flies like a pig. This winter I decided to delve into why it was this way and have come to these conclusions: The rudder is a slab of balsa that has about 3 coats of Krylon on it. The tail is balsa sheeted with framework underneath, also with about 3 coats of Krylon on it. To balance this heavy tail is a @$*load of lead in the nose. My question is this. Not being a builder, I was wanting to just cut some circular lightening-holes in the rudder, so I can get the lead out of the nose. Will this be a good enough fix or should I start over? I really think this plane would be a fun ship to fly if it were lighter. Please help! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Bling Bling 2m
Heh heh heh, lil' Barney. 8-) At 11:22 AM 2/14/2005, Mike Smith wrote: hh!!! The Icon's are procreating. :^) Mike At 06:22 PM 2/11/2005, James V. Bacus wrote: Hey, you guys wanna see a cool 2m? Here's a picture of it amongst normal sized models... http://www.jimbacus.net/blog/2004/images/miniicon.jpg Fully molded, custom painted, completely JR digital, definitely the most BLING BLING 2m at Nats in 2005. 8-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] More Items for sale
You are going to love the first 2! 2M Organic. New wings and tails with a used fuse. All in good to excellent condition. $375+ shipping 2M Hobby Horn Sensor. Includes 2 servos, Futaba 1024 PCM receiver and transmitter. $125 + shipping Pilot models 1/3 scale Pitts kit. This is the most desired Pilot giant scale kit. Will consider partial trade for a Pilot Decathlon Kit. $450 2 pattern planes and an IMAC 30% Extra 230 are also available. George Voss RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
FW: [RCSE] Hinges
Does anybody can say me what kind of Kevlar ( tape or tissue ) can be used as hinges in a balsa covered wing? .8 oz. fabric works well. We used it on the rudder hinge for a Bubble Dancer. Neck the fabric, roll in some laminating epoxy, and tamp it with paper towels to remove excess epoxy. Then press it flat between two release layers. you can use HDPE trash bag, polyethylene smooth plastic drop cloth, or the polyethylene plastic in zip lock freezer bags. When the epoxy has cured, cut off a strip the width you want, lightly sand the sides, and glue it into the hinge slots with a contact cement like Ambroid or Sigment. The hinge will last longer than the plane. ;) Aradhana Singh Khalsa New Mexico RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Source for Inexpensive Mylar?
Hi All, I have a project that will use a lot of mylar and I'd like to find it as inexpensive as possible. Needs to be .014 thick if possible. As always, thanks for your help. Happy flying, Jim www.jtmodels.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Bling Bling 2m
Jim, its Super Dee Duper looking ;^) Mike At 10:32 AM 2/14/2005, James V. Bacus wrote: Heh heh heh, lil' Barney. 8-) At 11:22 AM 2/14/2005, Mike Smith wrote: hh!!! The Icon's are procreating. :^) Mike At 06:22 PM 2/11/2005, James V. Bacus wrote: Hey, you guys wanna see a cool 2m? Here's a picture of it amongst normal sized models... http://www.jimbacus.net/blog/2004/images/miniicon.jpg Fully molded, custom painted, completely JR digital, definitely the most BLING BLING 2m at Nats in 2005. 8-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Source for Inexpensive Mylar?
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, Jim Prouty wrote: I have a project that will use a lot of mylar and I'd like to find it as inexpensive as possible. Needs to be .014 thick if possible. Check the places that make plastic packages: the folded transparent ones. 1x1.2 meter sheet of polyester film cost me ~ $4. Best regards, Arne RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hinges
I figured someone would ask. From 3M Book Tape cut two pieces 1/2 wide by 1and1/8 long. Assemble them end to end sticky side toward each other overlapping the ends about 1/4.This depends on the thickness of the control surface at the hinge line. Now make another one identical to the first one. This is one pair. You need 3 to 4 pair per control surface, depending on the size of your glider. Apply one sticky side of the hinge to the wing, then drop the hinge to the opposite side of the wing and stick it to the control surface. If you looked at the hinge from a profile you would see a Z shape with the sticky sides opposite each other. Install them in pairs opposing each others direction. If , for example if you are doing an aileron, you will have made a beveled clearance at the aileron hinge point, so that you can gap seal the top surface of the wing, and aileron, and be able to freely move the aileron both up and down the desired throws. I like to gap seal with the same 3M book tape cut to about 1 wide the full length of the control surface. A lot of words to describe it, but it is really a simple procedure 'all though it's a fiddley kind of job. It's a beautiful, strong, flexible, maintenance free hinge,suitable for many types of controls, large or small. You can do it with Ultra Coat on very small planes and match the covering. I have done this for years on 2M size and up. Wouldn't do it any other way. People have paid me to do their wings for them this way. Just a little practice, and you will be a Pro at it. A pet Peeve of mine is to see a hinge done with a gap seal only. They usually lift up near the control horn eventually, and then you live with it till you get around to re hinging again. Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:34:31 -0600 Dee Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike, Could you please explain what a reverse Z type hinge is? What does it look like and how do you go about making it? Thanks, Dee Smith Mike Remus wrote: I like 3M clear Book Tape. I find it at our Teachers supply store, not in hard wear type stores. I buy it in a wide roll, then cut it to width with a straight edge and blade. I the cut short pieces and make what I call reverse Z type hinges. I apply 3 or 4 pairs of them on a control surface and then gape seal the appropriate side of the hinge line. They will likely last you a life time with no further maintenance. Works for me! Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Source for Inexpensive Mylar?
I bought full rolls of mylar from plastic suppliers a couple times. The price was not much lower than just buying from ACP. You need to buy in really huge quantities to beat the prices offered by ACP and CST. The stuff really isn't very expensive. On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, Jim Prouty wrote: I have a project that will use a lot of mylar and I'd like to find it as inexpensive as possible. Needs to be .014 thick if possible. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 9C and Sensor are spoken for
The 9C and Sensor are spoken for. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Wanted: 2 meter Organic V-tail
Wanted to buy of trade for. 2 piece, 2 meter Organic tail. Thanks, Dan Neelands Olympia, WA
[RCSE] Epsilon 1.5m sloper RTF
Epsilon 1.5m RTF $400 Shipped to cont USA HS-125MG in wings, HS81 in tail. HS555RX POS Shift (JR) CH57 20oz RTF, Like new Condition More info in my thread here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227229 $350 shipped if you dont need the RX. MDM (michaeldmoore AT hotmail DOT com) -- MDM MDM's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=7716 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=334246 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] SERVO FOR SAILAIRE,S SPOILERS
HI ! I need anyone tha could suggest me on a pair of good servos to be used in my SAILAIRE'S SPOILERS. Thank you all. Aggie RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: annual 2 meter diatribe
I'll do one better. I like 2M woodies. Or 2M nostalgia woodies. --Bill -- Bill Harris Bill Harris's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=1113 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=334330 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 2M
The reason people do not like to fly 2m because it is more difficult than flying the unlimited ships. Wow, think about it you actually have to think, work harder, fly cleaner and be able to read the air better i.e. its a challenge. I actually prefer to fly my 2m over unlimited. I also fly my 2m in unlimited class in contests; sometimes I walk away with wood from the contest and bragging rights that I was able to place against people with sometimes more than a meter of wingspan to their advantage. I know I am going to catch a lot of grief for this post, but while I am at it I prefer JR servos and I prefer bagged ships over molded ships. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Manfred Radius/H101 Salto from Toronto
I saw Manfred Radius perform once at an airshow in Hillsboro, Oregon. I was absolutely entranced. His aerobatic displays in the Salto transform flying into performance art. I've seen all the best perform at one time or another, i.e., Sean Tucker, Patty Wagstaff, Bob Hoover, etc. None of their performances are more magical than Radius' and certainly none are quite so beautiful. -- ClipperBill ClipperBill's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid= View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=334490 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Xtreme F3J Up For Grabs!
For Sale: Eraser/Xtreme carbon Dtube wing,cross tail. Need to make room in the hanger. Great condition! Only repair is usual boom fix with carbon and matching paint.Taking it to swap meet next week..Email me personally for picture.Comes with 3 JR ds368 and 3 Volz servos all for $900 plus shipping.(or $700 without servos) Karl Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Plainfield,IL RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] CASL SWC Thanks
Darwin, On behalf of those of us from the Albquerque Soaring Assoc. who turned out to the Southwest Classic last weekend, I want to offer our thanks to you and the CASL club for another great time at SWC. The format was great, the venue was great, the people were great, and even the weather was great!! What else can I say? See you next year!!! Richard Shagam President, Albuquerque Soaring Assoc. = Richard Shagam Albuquerque, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out local weather conditions at my residence at: http://rhizotechweather.webhop.org And read my blog chronicling my harpsichord construction project at http://rhizotechharpsichord.webhop.org __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Manfred Radius Rocks!!
A few years ago, I took my youngest son to Florida during his spring vacation. While there we visited with an old friend who now lives on a small airport in Mulberry (near Bartow). He was busy preparing for Sun and Fun (that started the next day). But for my son and myself, the highlight of our vacation was meeting Manfred and watching him practice his routine for Sun and Fun. When talking to him he does not come across as especially wild. Still, after several practice routines, he `wound down' by strapping a big fan on his back with a parachute attached and proceeded to `take off`. :-) Regis --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Naton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can see incredible footage of Manfred in my films Just Want To FLy 2 and my famous full scale DVD Redline Sky. I have spent a total of a week hanging out with Manfred and video taping his flying escapades. A total treat! It takes 4 hours just to build the pyro packs. His Night aerobatic flight is stunning. Last summer I put a camera in the cockpit for 2 flights and have the ribbon cut from his perspective. I will release this footage later this year. Its so cool. this guy is 60 years old now.. Paul -- Paul Naton president-Radio Carbon Art Producers of High Quality Silent Flight Videos http://www.radiocarbonart.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 541-752-9661 Visa/Mastercard Accepted RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: 2M - NATS
Kind of like asking pattern to have a trainer 40 class at the NATS,... That is exactly what AMA does. AMA events include many that can be described as novice (entry-level) classes, and many of those are included in the NATS (e.g. Formula 40 speed, Sport speed, Profile Carrier Slow Combat). Specifically, the 2004 NATS included four classes of RC pattern you can look it up. Granted, many events targeted for novices soon become competitive (Rat Racing e.g. not mention RES). If the pattern officials thought they could attract 50 entries, I think they would consider a Trainer 40 class. And why not? Regis --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll again note that I don't see many newbies showing up at the field with a 3M full house moldie. But I do see them come out with a 2M TD or 1.8M speed 400. So let's play to the strength of that distribution. And how many Newbies show up at the NATS to fly 2M with their GP Spirits?? What new guys in the hobby fly has little, if any, bearing on what competition classes should be flown at the NATS. Kind of like asking pattern to have a trainer 40 class at the NATS, since few, if any, Newbies show up at the field with a full blown pattern plane with a $1,000 YS 1.60 in it. ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Timers in JR9303
I have the sailplane version and is very impressed with the functions and easy of programming. One item I could not get right is the timers setup for two timers. The programming allow you to setup two programmable timers . If you select to use both timers (eg. one for motor run time and the other for duration time) then you do not get a timer reset function. With one timer activated at a time the reset is done on the screen with left lower button. Anyone else who can give some advice would be appreciated. Cheers Gert -- GNieuwoudt GNieuwoudt's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=16783 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=335392 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JR 9330
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RE: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....???
Without muddying the subject by tying 2-Meter to Nats, there has to be a class to draw new fliers. It's one thing to say the class wouldn't entice the elite to travel for an event, but it's closing the door on new fliers to say they're worthless. How many new pilots show up at the field with an Eraser, an Icon, or a quiver of $200+ handlaunches? Hopefully not many. They come out to our field with Spirits, GLs, Aspires. Retirees, kids with their parents, just hoping not to crash. How do you keep those guys interested? What do you do - make them fly with the unlimited ships, beat their brains in until they go buy an Eagle or a PT-40, never to be seen again? Why not let them fly 2 meter with the better fliers, let them learn and compete on more equal footing? Ft. Wayne's gotten several new fliers out the last few seasons; their 2 meter club contests are well attended, and those guys are sticking around. Guys just gassed to catch lift, let alone make their times, new guys. Flying 2 meter and learing to love soaring. The guys to watch out for in 5 years. I look at that as a success, and I hope that it catches on down here. Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Re:Book Tape Hinges
Hi Steve, The book tape that I have in my hand is in a box and is made by 3M and has a part number 845. It is very clear, will not stretch, and does not yellow with age. It also has a very good tack. It is intended to repair the spine of a book cover when it and loosens up. I find it in our local Teacher Supply and artists store. I have never seen it in any hard ware type store. I think it may be available in colors, but I always use the clear. Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:34:38 -0500 Steve Richman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK Mike, maybe I'm the only one wondering...what's book tape, does it come in colors and where do you buy it? TIA, Steve From: Mike Remus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/02/14 Mon PM 02:48:27 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hinges I figured someone would ask. From 3M Book Tape cut two pieces 1/2 wide by 1and1/8 long. Assemble them end to end sticky side toward each other overlapping the ends about 1/4.This depends on the thickness of the control surface at the hinge line. Now make another one identical to the first one. This is one pair. You need 3 to 4 pair per control surface, depending on the size of your glider. Apply one sticky side of the hinge to the wing, then drop the hinge to the opposite side of the wing and stick it to the control surface. If you looked at the hinge from a profile you would see a Z shape with the sticky sides opposite each other. Install them in pairs opposing each others direction. If , for example if you are doing an aileron, you will have made a beveled clearance at the aileron hinge point, so that you can gap seal the top surface of the wing, and aileron, and be able to freely move the aileron both up and down the desired throws. I like to gap seal with the same 3M book tape cut to about 1 wide the full length of the control surface. A lot of words to describe it, but it is really a simple procedure 'all though it's a fiddley kind of job. It's a beautiful, strong, flexible, maintenance free hinge,suitable for many types of controls, large or small. You can do it with Ultra Coat on very small planes and match the covering. I have done this for years on 2M size and up. Wouldn't do it any other way. People have paid me to do their wings for them this way. Just a little practice, and you will be a Pro at it. A pet Peeve of mine is to see a hinge done with a gap seal only. They usually lift up near the control horn eventually, and then you live with it till you get around to re hinging again. Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:34:31 -0600 Dee Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike, Could you please explain what a reverse Z type hinge is? What does it look like and how do you go about making it? Thanks, Dee Smith Mike Remus wrote: I like 3M clear Book Tape. I find it at our Teachers supply store, not in hard wear type stores. I buy it in a wide roll, then cut it to width with a straight edge and blade. I the cut short pieces and make what I call reverse Z type hinges. I apply 3 or 4 pairs of them on a control surface and then gape seal the appropriate side of the hinge line. They will likely last you a life time with no further maintenance. Works for me! Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! RCSE-List
Re: [RCSE] Timers in JR9303
In the [TIMER] screen where you activated the second timer, the first step is to select the type of timer, either INH = off, DOWN-T = countdown timer, or STOP-W = stop watch. Once you have selected the timer type, there is a second field underneath that you can select and change with the cricket wheel. That is the assignment to the button or switch you will use to start and stop the timer. I like to use AUX4 SW which assigns it to the top-right-back switch. You can assign that functionality where you like. Jim At 06:55 AM 2/14/2005, GNieuwoudt wrote: I have the sailplane version and is very impressed with the functions and easy of programming. One item I could not get right is the timers setup for two timers. The programming allow you to setup two programmable timers . If you select to use both timers (eg. one for motor run time and the other for duration time) then you do not get a timer reset function. With one timer activated at a time the reset is done on the screen with left lower button. Anyone else who can give some advice would be appreciated. Cheers Gert -- GNieuwoudt GNieuwoudt's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=16783 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=335392 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] 2M
I have been thinking about this point for a few days. There is a huge emphasis on handlaunch, which is even *more* difficult and expensive than many 2M ships. So the answer cannot be that 2M planes are too difficult to fly, cause we all know that handlaunch offers really short flights even with DLG. Perhaps it is because no one has really made this class size sexy enough. After all, why should they? We get people moaning about the class all year long but particularly during the winter. It is also, as some have said, the beginners class where just about everyone starts out. I do not know the solution here but I'd bet you cannot strengthen this class even by adding enough CF and hollow moulded parts to attract those with some bucks in their pockets. I think the Allegro-Lite has done more to attract people, including myself, to 2M and RES than anything else. I suppose we could take your example, Matt, to the fullest extent and have handlaunch guys compete against unlimited as well. I know at one contest I went to there was a guy that did that... I was second to last with my 2M foamie, and guess who I beat? :-) Unlike some, I have actually enjoyed this thread. It shows that there is some passion out there in this hobby. Hopefully some of that passion will get passed down to some younger modelers. Stuart Cheshire, CT -Original Message- From: Matt Fair [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/11/2005 9:09 PM To: soaring@airage.com Cc: Subject: [RCSE] 2M The reason people do not like to fly 2m because it is more difficult than flying the unlimited ships. Wow, think about it you actually have to think, work harder, fly cleaner and be able to read the air better i.e. its a challenge. I actually prefer to fly my 2m over unlimited. I also fly my 2m in unlimited class in contests; sometimes I walk away with wood from the contest and bragging rights that I was able to place against people with sometimes more than a meter of wingspan to their advantage. I know I am going to catch a lot of grief for this post, but while I am at it I prefer JR servos and I prefer bagged ships over molded ships. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Timers in JR9303
In the [TIMER] screen where you activated the second timer, the first step is to select the type of timer, either INH = off, DOWN-T = countdown timer, or STOP-W = stop watch. Once you have selected the timer type, there is a second field underneath that you can select and change with the cricket wheel. That is the assignment to the button or switch you will use to start and stop the timer. I like to use AUX4 SW which assigns it to the top-right-back switch. You can assign that functionality where you like within the options of that menu. Jim At 06:55 AM 2/14/2005, GNieuwoudt wrote: I have the sailplane version and is very impressed with the functions and easy of programming. One item I could not get right is the timers setup for two timers. The programming allow you to setup two programmable timers . If you select to use both timers (eg. one for motor run time and the other for duration time) then you do not get a timer reset function. With one timer activated at a time the reset is done on the screen with left lower button. Anyone else who can give some advice would be appreciated. Cheers Gert -- GNieuwoudt GNieuwoudt's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=16783 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=335392 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck. Not at all !
Thanks Brent. We try to give our new flyers the attention they want and help them have fun. It's exciting to get someone hooked on our sport. Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:47:34 -0500 Douglas, Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Without muddying the subject by tying 2-Meter to Nats, there has to be a class to draw new fliers. It's one thing to say the class wouldn't entice the elite to travel for an event, but it's closing the door on new fliers to say they're worthless. How many new pilots show up at the field with an Eraser, an Icon, or a quiver of $200+ handlaunches? Hopefully not many. They come out to our field with Spirits, GLs, Aspires. Retirees, kids with their parents, just hoping not to crash. How do you keep those guys interested? What do you do - make them fly with the unlimited ships, beat their brains in until they go buy an Eagle or a PT-40, never to be seen again? Why not let them fly 2 meter with the better fliers, let them learn and compete on more equal footing? Ft. Wayne's gotten several new fliers out the last few seasons; their 2 meter club contests are well attended, and those guys are sticking around. Guys just gassed to catch lift, let alone make their times, new guys. Flying 2 meter and learing to love soaring. The guys to watch out for in 5 years. I look at that as a success, and I hope that it catches on down here. Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Re:Book Tape Hinges
I found the book tape at Staples. - Original Message - From: Mike Remus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 12:53 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re: Re:Book Tape Hinges Hi Steve, The book tape that I have in my hand is in a box and is made by 3M and has a part number 845. It is very clear, will not stretch, and does not yellow with age. It also has a very good tack. It is intended to repair the spine of a book cover when it and loosens up. I find it in our local Teacher Supply and artists store. I have never seen it in any hard ware type store. I think it may be available in colors, but I always use the clear. Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:34:38 -0500 Steve Richman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK Mike, maybe I'm the only one wondering...what's book tape, does it come in colors and where do you buy it? TIA, Steve From: Mike Remus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/02/14 Mon PM 02:48:27 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hinges I figured someone would ask. From 3M Book Tape cut two pieces 1/2 wide by 1and1/8 long. Assemble them end to end sticky side toward each other overlapping the ends about 1/4.This depends on the thickness of the control surface at the hinge line. Now make another one identical to the first one. This is one pair. You need 3 to 4 pair per control surface, depending on the size of your glider. Apply one sticky side of the hinge to the wing, then drop the hinge to the opposite side of the wing and stick it to the control surface. If you looked at the hinge from a profile you would see a Z shape with the sticky sides opposite each other. Install them in pairs opposing each others direction. If , for example if you are doing an aileron, you will have made a beveled clearance at the aileron hinge point, so that you can gap seal the top surface of the wing, and aileron, and be able to freely move the aileron both up and down the desired throws. I like to gap seal with the same 3M book tape cut to about 1 wide the full length of the control surface. A lot of words to describe it, but it is really a simple procedure 'all though it's a fiddley kind of job. It's a beautiful, strong, flexible, maintenance free hinge,suitable for many types of controls, large or small. You can do it with Ultra Coat on very small planes and match the covering. I have done this for years on 2M size and up. Wouldn't do it any other way. People have paid me to do their wings for them this way. Just a little practice, and you will be a Pro at it. A pet Peeve of mine is to see a hinge done with a gap seal only. They usually lift up near the control horn eventually, and then you live with it till you get around to re hinging again. Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:34:31 -0600 Dee Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike, Could you please explain what a reverse Z type hinge is? What does it look like and how do you go about making it? Thanks, Dee Smith Mike Remus wrote: I like 3M clear Book Tape. I find it at our Teachers supply store, not in hard wear type stores. I buy it in a wide roll, then cut it to width with a straight edge and blade. I the cut short pieces and make what I call reverse Z type hinges. I apply 3 or 4 pairs of them on a control surface and then gape seal the appropriate side of the hinge line. They will likely last you a life time with no further maintenance. Works for me! Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! RCSE-List facilities provided
[RCSE] RE: 9C
Craig, please let me know if you got my previous email. gv -Original Message- From: Craig D. Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 1:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 9C Hi George, If you still have the Futaba 9C I will take it. Just let me know how to pay you. Craig Allen LSF 111 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Source for Inexpensive Mylar?
Thanks Guys. Looks like ACP or CST might still be the best place to get the mylar. Happy flying, Jim www.jtmodels.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 1.8oz Kevlar availability
I have gotten many requests for 1.8oz Kevlar lately. It seems that all those people buying carbon also have a need for Kevlar. The style of Kevlar in question is commonly referred to as either 1.7oz or 1.8oz. It also goes by the style number 120 or number 350. It also may be called Aramid or the brand name Kevlar. All of these are the same thing. This is the type of kevlar that I use for all of my wings and is generally the most useful for vac bagging of sailplane wings, fuselages too. This style of kevlar has become more expensive and hard to find lately. There used to be a couple of sources that sold factory seconds of this material that were just as good as first quality material for our purposes. Those sources dried up about a year ago. They used to sell 38 wide Kevlar for about $7.00 - $8.00 a yard and 60 wide for $10.00 - $11.00 per yard. These are the two sources that no longer have the inexpensive Kevlar; http://acf.clark.com/ http://johnrsweet.com/Kevlar.html I did some research a month or two ago to find new sources for this material. Here are the results; http://www.acp-composites.com/ ACP had 38 wide for $22.00/yd and 50 wide for $28.00/yard https://www.cstsales.com/home.htm CST had 38 wide for $18.75 - $29.25 per yard depending on quantity purchased. http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=2498/index.html Wicks had 38 wide for $18.95 per yard. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cm/kevlar.html Aircraft Spruce and Specialty had 38 wide for $20.40 per yard. http://www.fiberglasssupply.com/Product_Catalog/product_catalog.html Fiberglass supply had 38 wide for $14.12 - $18.50 per yard depending on quantity purchased and 50 wide for $21.18 per yard. http://shopping.netsuite.com/carbcom CARBCOM was listing 60 wide for $32.16 per yard or $23.32 per yard for full rolls. http://advanc8.fatcow.com/inven.html Advanced Composite Traders may be the place that some of that cheap kevlar was coming from when it was available. the salesman told me that one of those cheap sources had bought from him in the past. The are a composites trader and deal in overruns, seconds, etc. and sell in very large quantities at very low prices. When I called they had 38 wide kevlar for $13.00 per yard.500 yard minimum order. Some of the above may no longer be current. That's the picture as I far as I know for style 120/350 kevlar. I only know of one good Kevlar deal that is still available. See my next post for details. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Good Deal on 1.8oz Kevlar
I mentioned in my last post that there was still one good deal available for this style of Kevlar. It is John R. sweet Co. Here is the link; http://johnrsweet.com/Kevlar.html What he has is some 12 wide Kevlar that he lists for $3.00 per yard for small quantities, down to $1.50 per yard for very large quantities. What I did was to buy most of what he had left at the $1.50 per yard price. I am offering it for sale at $2.00 per yard. It turns out that this 12 wide kevlar is really just a few 60 wide rolls that have been cut by machine into 12 wide rolls. This means that most of the edges of the 12 wide fabric do not have the frizzies or bound edges that are typically found on roll edges to keep the fabric from fraying. This is actually a good thing since it allows the narrow fabric to be pieced together in a layup without the extra work of cutting the factory edges off. this style of fabric is tightly woven so fraying is not a big issue anyway. The 12 wide fabric works especially well for HL wings where it only takes two pieces to do a bias layup for each wing half. Longer wings with bias layups will take three or four pieces. It is not difficult to lay up multiple pieces on a mylar for bagging a wing. Longer wings requiring three or four pieces for a bias layup may be a bit of a nuisance but you may still find that the price difference makes it worthwhile. The 12 wide fabric is a natural for fuselage work or if you have some need for a 0-90 degree layup on a wing. Here is the deal; kevlar cost is $2.00 per yard. Packing and shipping to the continental US is $10.00. If interested, please send the following information in an email; 1) Your name 2) Your address 3) Your phone number at the delivery address (for the shipping label) 4) Is this a home or business addresss (business address saves shipping costs if shipped FEDEX 5) How many yards do you want 6) Your calculation of total cost I will reply to your email so that you know I have recieved it. I will ship the material out within a day or two. I will not combine carbon and Kevlar orders due to packaging and shipping considerations. Please supply all of the above requested information. You may send a check when you order or after you recieve the Kevlar to; Phil Barnes 13610 Chrisbar Ct Germantown, MD 20874 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 1.8oz Kevlar availability
Phil- This is a great service to the list. Thanks for offering your expertise in this area so that all can take advantage of your hard work. -Ben Phil Barnes wrote: I have gotten many requests for 1.8oz Kevlar lately. It seems that all those people buying carbon also have a need for Kevlar. The style of Kevlar in question is commonly referred to as either 1.7oz or 1.8oz. It also goes by the style number 120 or number 350. It also may be called Aramid or the brand name Kevlar. All of these are the same thing. This is the type of kevlar that I use for all of my wings and is generally the most useful for vac bagging of sailplane wings, fuselages too. This style of kevlar has become more expensive and hard to find lately. There used to be a couple of sources that sold factory seconds of this material that were just as good as first quality material for our purposes. Those sources dried up about a year ago. They used to sell 38 wide Kevlar for about $7.00 - $8.00 a yard and 60 wide for $10.00 - $11.00 per yard. These are the two sources that no longer have the inexpensive Kevlar; http://acf.clark.com/ http://johnrsweet.com/Kevlar.html I did some research a month or two ago to find new sources for this material. Here are the results; http://www.acp-composites.com/ ACP had 38 wide for $22.00/yd and 50 wide for $28.00/yard https://www.cstsales.com/home.htm CST had 38 wide for $18.75 - $29.25 per yard depending on quantity purchased. http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=2498/index.html Wicks had 38 wide for $18.95 per yard. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cm/kevlar.html Aircraft Spruce and Specialty had 38 wide for $20.40 per yard. http://www.fiberglasssupply.com/Product_Catalog/product_catalog.html Fiberglass supply had 38 wide for $14.12 - $18.50 per yard depending on quantity purchased and 50 wide for $21.18 per yard. http://shopping.netsuite.com/carbcom CARBCOM was listing 60 wide for $32.16 per yard or $23.32 per yard for full rolls. http://advanc8.fatcow.com/inven.html Advanced Composite Traders may be the place that some of that cheap kevlar was coming from when it was available. the salesman told me that one of those cheap sources had bought from him in the past. The are a composites trader and deal in overruns, seconds, etc. and sell in very large quantities at very low prices. When I called they had 38 wide kevlar for $13.00 per yard.500 yard minimum order. Some of the above may no longer be current. That's the picture as I far as I know for style 120/350 kevlar. I only know of one good Kevlar deal that is still available. See my next post for details. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Re:Book Tape Hinges
The 845 is good for normal environments. It's not the best tape if you are in a hot location where you regularly fly above mid-90 degrees. Not too bad in the cold. Mike Remus wrote: Hi Steve, The book tape that I have in my hand is in a box and is made by 3M and has a part number 845. It is very clear, will not stretch, and does not yellow with age. It also has a very good tack. It is intended to repair the spine of a book cover when it and loosens up. I find it in our local Teacher Supply and artists store. I have never seen it in any hard ware type store. I think it may be available in colors, but I always use the clear. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Fw: Re: [RCSE] Re: Re:Book Tape Hinges
The tape will hold very well to any covering. You didn't read my pet peeve. If you decide to tape in gap seal traditioneven top and bottom, then don't bother with Book tape. It is a little thicker then other tapes and will take up a lot of space in the gap. Don't feel bad, hardly anyone hinges the way I do. It takes more then 5 minutes. :~) Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:46:52 -0500 Steve Richman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike, I recently bought Lunak ARF sailplane from Icare. The wings are obechi over foam, covered with Oracover. Nicely done plane but the flaps and ailerons are not hinged. Could I use the book tape in a more traditional sense e.g. running a strip along the top surfaces of the wing and aileron, then bend the aileron up and apply another strip along the underside? Will the tape hold well on the Oracover? TIA, Steve From: Mike Remus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/02/14 Mon PM 03:53:59 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Re: Re:Book Tape Hinges Hi Steve, The book tape that I have in my hand is in a box and is made by 3M and has a part number 845. It is very clear, will not stretch, and does not yellow with age. It also has a very good tack. It is intended to repair the spine of a book cover when it and loosens up. I find it in our local Teacher Supply and artists store. I have never seen it in any hard ware type store. I think it may be available in colors, but I always use the clear. Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:34:38 -0500 Steve Richman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK Mike, maybe I'm the only one wondering...what's book tape, does it come in colors and where do you buy it? TIA, Steve From: Mike Remus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/02/14 Mon PM 02:48:27 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hinges I figured someone would ask. From 3M Book Tape cut two pieces 1/2 wide by 1and1/8 long. Assemble them end to end sticky side toward each other overlapping the ends about 1/4.This depends on the thickness of the control surface at the hinge line. Now make another one identical to the first one. This is one pair. You need 3 to 4 pair per control surface, depending on the size of your glider. Apply one sticky side of the hinge to the wing, then drop the hinge to the opposite side of the wing and stick it to the control surface. If you looked at the hinge from a profile you would see a Z shape with the sticky sides opposite each other. Install them in pairs opposing each others direction. If , for example if you are doing an aileron, you will have made a beveled clearance at the aileron hinge point, so that you can gap seal the top surface of the wing, and aileron, and be able to freely move the aileron both up and down the desired throws. I like to gap seal with the same 3M book tape cut to about 1 wide the full length of the control surface. A lot of words to describe it, but it is really a simple procedure 'all though it's a fiddley kind of job. It's a beautiful, strong, flexible, maintenance free hinge,suitable for many types of controls, large or small. You can do it with Ultra Coat on very small planes and match the covering. I have done this for years on 2M size and up. Wouldn't do it any other way. People have paid me to do their wings for them this way. Just a little practice, and you will be a Pro at it. A pet Peeve of mine is to see a hinge done with a gap seal only. They usually lift up near the control horn eventually, and then you live with it till you get around to re hinging again. Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:34:31 -0600 Dee Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike, Could you please explain what a reverse Z type hinge is? What does it look like and how do you go about making it? Thanks, Dee Smith Mike Remus wrote: I like 3M clear Book Tape. I find it at our Teachers supply store, not in hard wear type stores. I buy it in a wide roll, then cut it to width with a straight edge and blade. I the cut short pieces and make what I call reverse Z type hinges. I apply 3 or 4 pairs of them on a control
[RCSE] EMM announcement
I have an arrangement to import the Multiplex/Tangent line to the U.S.. Who is Tangent? It is a long story, but one with a very happy ending due to an old friend of mine and business associate in Germany who made it possible. I think this is an opportunity to help those looking for quality German kits with good instructions, great flying qualities, and I think the prices will be very competitive. Tangent was one of Multiplex's major sub contractors for over 20 years and made the wings, and most of the Multiplex contest line. They reside in the Scwabian Alps in Southern Germany. (not CZ or China) Multiplex did not actually manufacture the kits themselves. If you notice on the web site some of the non scale Tangent gliders resemble some discontinued Multiplex planes. Tangent did not sell retail as far as I ever knew, but did jobbing work for other manufacturers. Same planes, from the same manufacturer, and improved with some new features. Tangent is also supporting past Multiplex contest line customers with parts. http://www.tangent-modelltechnik.com/html/produkte.html All planes are in stock in Germany now. I hope to place an order soon. I will be happy to quote off line. The 6 meter Nimbus 4 features a steel round wing rod, red aluminum spoilers, pre fit rudder, hardware package, and carbon reinforcing in the wing and fuselage. A super quality kit, and a great value. The Tangent Vortex looks like a super ship with an MH 32 foil, fully flapped it should perform with a very wide speed range. Big at 166 (4.28m) Similar to the discontinued Multiplex Condor it would seem. Please email directly or call. http://www.tangent-modelltechnik.com/html/produkte.html Tangent has said that they are updating all the Multiplex kits to today's standards with better wing joiner systems and stronger airframes. PS I will put info on the Scalesoaring/EMM site soon, but not yet. Thanks, JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] More Airfoil questions...
In my search for a higher lift airfoil I'm looking at the DAE-51 I will be using it at a CL of around 1 At High CL it strikes me that the laminar flow (if any) would be on the bottom surface. The wing is going to be built up with a wide rib spacing for Solar Cells. Would I find any benefit from making the bottom surface either foam, or thin balsa sheeting to maximize the bottom surface accuracy? This adds weight, but will it help efficiency? Once again I ask the hard question, I know it will be better, but any hint as to how much better? Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
