Re: Softimage going to sleep on Windows 8
Did you turn off the "Reload Externally Modified Clips On Focus" in the Prefs > Rendering > Images Tab? On Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:43:22 AM, Leonard Koch wrote: Hey list, since updating to Windows 8 I've had the issue that if I leave softimage alone for a few minutes, it takes about 10 seconds for it to become responsive again after tabbing/clicking back into it. I have a fast SSD, plenty of RAM and not much else going on. Has anyone else encountered this issue? Cheers. -Leo
Re: Softimage going to sleep on Windows 8
We're not using Windows 8 but if there are files in External Files that can't be found I think XSI tries to refresh when alt-tabbing. I'm not sure what the fix would be, barring fixing the path(s) - I think referenced objects with Animation Mixer nodes may be particularly susceptible to the problem (they seem to return a lot of \\none paths). On 28 May 2015 at 16:43, Leonard Koch wrote: > Hey list, > > since updating to Windows 8 I've had the issue that if I leave softimage > alone for a few minutes, it takes about 10 seconds for it to become > responsive again after tabbing/clicking back into it. > > I have a fast SSD, plenty of RAM and not much else going on. > Has anyone else encountered this issue? > > Cheers. > -Leo >
Softimage going to sleep on Windows 8
Hey list, since updating to Windows 8 I've had the issue that if I leave softimage alone for a few minutes, it takes about 10 seconds for it to become responsive again after tabbing/clicking back into it. I have a fast SSD, plenty of RAM and not much else going on. Has anyone else encountered this issue? Cheers. -Leo
Re: Re[2]: Windows 8
The are more options in 8.1 to get rid of the charms and stuf. You can for example dissable the charms from popping out in the top-right corner, leaving only the bottom-right corner for the charms, and not both. Abbility to boot directly to desktop is also new in 8.1 and nice to have on a workstation. All these new settings and more is found by right clicking the taskbar and choose Properties -> Navigation tab. /Jens On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Eugen Sares wrote: > Windows 8(.1) is a very good system, with plenty of improvements under > the hood. No problems whatsoever with all the graphics software. > Don't get fooled by opinions about the metro thing. Use it or leave it. My > 2c: bravo to MS for being brave once! On a tablet, it really shines. > > There's improvements to the desktop as well. For example, ISOs can be > mounted ootb now, and I for my part find the new ribbons on top of the file > explorer windows quite handy. > And no more Areo glass... desktop has a slick and dry feeling to it. > > The only point I don't like so much is the charms menu, which you get when > hitting the right screen edge with the cursor (or swiping from the right on > a tablet). Not because it's a bad idea, but because the choice of > icons/functions is somewhat strange. E.g. you have to click the 'settings' > gear icon to get to the on/off switch... ideally, charms should be freely > configurable. > Small tip: RMB the bottom left corner (8.0) or start button (8.1) to get > to a new, quite convenient, menu with all the relevant configuration > shortcuts. There's a menu item for power down, too. > > Best, > Eugen > > -- Originalnachricht -- > Von: "Martin Yara" > An: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" > Gesendet: 14.01.2014 02:46:04 > Betreff: Re: Windows 8 > > > Thanks! Now I'm definitely buying our new PCs with Win 8(8.1) specially > since Win 7 is not easy to find these days. The Win8 Pro downgrade option > is something I wish I knew when we bought a couple of Win7 PCs a few months > ago. > > Now, Is it worth to upgrade our old PCs? So far it doesn't seem so, but I > may upgrade just one to try it myself with dual boot or something. > > Martin > > > > -- ><http://www.avast.com/> > > Diese E-Mail ist frei von Viren und Malware, denn der avast! > Antivirus<http://www.avast.com/>Schutz ist aktiv. > > -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studios <http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>
Re: Windows 8
hehe...
The luddites are still sharpening their pitchforks, as the rest of us
clicked our smartphone into a 'taser-cover' ;-P
Rob
\/-\/\/
On 14-1-2014 14:06, Andres Stephens wrote:
Hehe =)
I like it, just a very new way of handling apps and an attempt
creating a bridge between mobile OS with desktop, which is not the
norm, so disliked by the norm... But I like it.
--- Original Message ---
From: "Byron Nash"
Sent: January 13, 2014 4:39 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Windows 8
So, to sum it all up from everyone. Windows 8 is faster and better
except that it's terrible. Did I get that right?
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Ognjen Vukovic <mailto:ognj...@gmail.com>> wrote:
And then theres this...
http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nuno Conceicao
mailto:nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez
mailto:emi...@e-roja.com>> wrote:
I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it
is worth it or not.
Any increase in performance?
Strange issues with Softimage?
Thx.
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Re: Windows 8
Hehe =) I like it, just a very new way of handling apps and an attempt creating a bridge between mobile OS with desktop, which is not the norm, so disliked by the norm... But I like it. --- Original Message --- From: "Byron Nash" Sent: January 13, 2014 4:39 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 So, to sum it all up from everyone. Windows 8 is faster and better except that it's terrible. Did I get that right? On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Ognjen Vukovic wrote: > And then theres this... > > http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015 > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nuno Conceicao < > nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7 >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: >> >>> I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it >>> or not. >>> >>> Any increase in performance? >>> >>> Strange issues with Softimage? >>> >>> Thx. >>> >>> >> >
Re[2]: Windows 8
Windows 8(.1) is a very good system, with plenty of improvements under the hood. No problems whatsoever with all the graphics software. Don't get fooled by opinions about the metro thing. Use it or leave it. My 2c: bravo to MS for being brave once! On a tablet, it really shines. There's improvements to the desktop as well. For example, ISOs can be mounted ootb now, and I for my part find the new ribbons on top of the file explorer windows quite handy. And no more Areo glass... desktop has a slick and dry feeling to it. The only point I don't like so much is the charms menu, which you get when hitting the right screen edge with the cursor (or swiping from the right on a tablet). Not because it's a bad idea, but because the choice of icons/functions is somewhat strange. E.g. you have to click the 'settings' gear icon to get to the on/off switch... ideally, charms should be freely configurable. Small tip: RMB the bottom left corner (8.0) or start button (8.1) to get to a new, quite convenient, menu with all the relevant configuration shortcuts. There's a menu item for power down, too. Best, Eugen -- Originalnachricht -- Von: "Martin Yara" An: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" Gesendet: 14.01.2014 02:46:04 Betreff: Re: Windows 8 Thanks! Now I'm definitely buying our new PCs with Win 8(8.1) specially since Win 7 is not easy to find these days. The Win8 Pro downgrade option is something I wish I knew when we bought a couple of Win7 PCs a few months ago. Now, Is it worth to upgrade our old PCs? So far it doesn't seem so, but I may upgrade just one to try it myself with dual boot or something. Martin --- Diese E-Mail ist frei von Viren und Malware, denn der avast! Antivirus Schutz ist aktiv. http://www.avast.com
Re: Windows 8
Thanks! Now I'm definitely buying our new PCs with Win 8(8.1) specially since Win 7 is not easy to find these days. The Win8 Pro downgrade option is something I wish I knew when we bought a couple of Win7 PCs a few months ago. Now, Is it worth to upgrade our old PCs? So far it doesn't seem so, but I may upgrade just one to try it myself with dual boot or something. Martin
Re: Windows 8
8.1 is a considerable improvement over 8 in terms of usability actually. It's not without some nagging things, but at this point most are a matter of preference, and very few are objectively steps back. Performance wise I don't think it can be argued it's overall better on many fronts, even if some times by small margins, than 7. You do have to get used to it, and it does feel like a condescending OS if that makes any sense, but at least it's not as downright insulting or infuriating like OS-X can be in its apply stubbornness when you're not a fanboy and bump into the occasional thing that makes no sense but Apple decides to ram down your throat because they know better, and to hell with what the user base thinks. It's still behind in some regards, especially on the photography and imaging front, but then so is win7, so if the toss up is between 7 and 8.1 I'd say 8.1 does come out on top. All in all I'd say if you want to give 8 a try you have to try 8.1 and forget about 8, and if you tried 8 and moved away from it for the usability issues and excessive tabletization then give 8.1 a try again and see if it changes your mind. It is a step up from 7 in enough regards. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Eric Lampi wrote: > I've used both 7 and 8 with no problems. I don't think it makes a huge > difference. Nice that it boots so fast now. > > Once I do a backup, I'll put on 8.1. > > Eric > > Freelance 3D and VFX animator > > http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Simon Pickard wrote: > >> Pretty much, stick with Windows XP. >> >> >> On 14 January 2014 08:38, Byron Nash wrote: >> >>> So, to sum it all up from everyone. Windows 8 is faster and better >>> except that it's terrible. Did I get that right? >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Ognjen Vukovic wrote: >>> >>>> And then theres this... >>>> >>>> http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nuno Conceicao < >>>> nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth >>>>>> it or not. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any increase in performance? >>>>>> >>>>>> Strange issues with Softimage? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thx. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
Re: Windows 8
I've used both 7 and 8 with no problems. I don't think it makes a huge difference. Nice that it boots so fast now. Once I do a backup, I'll put on 8.1. Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Simon Pickard wrote: > Pretty much, stick with Windows XP. > > > On 14 January 2014 08:38, Byron Nash wrote: > >> So, to sum it all up from everyone. Windows 8 is faster and better except >> that it's terrible. Did I get that right? >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Ognjen Vukovic wrote: >> >>> And then theres this... >>> >>> http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nuno Conceicao < >>> nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it >>>>> or not. >>>>> >>>>> Any increase in performance? >>>>> >>>>> Strange issues with Softimage? >>>>> >>>>> Thx. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
Re: Windows 8
Pretty much, stick with Windows XP. On 14 January 2014 08:38, Byron Nash wrote: > So, to sum it all up from everyone. Windows 8 is faster and better except > that it's terrible. Did I get that right? > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Ognjen Vukovic wrote: > >> And then theres this... >> >> http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015 >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nuno Conceicao < >> nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7 >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: >>> >>>> I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it >>>> or not. >>>> >>>> Any increase in performance? >>>> >>>> Strange issues with Softimage? >>>> >>>> Thx. >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
Re: Windows 8
So, to sum it all up from everyone. Windows 8 is faster and better except that it's terrible. Did I get that right? On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Ognjen Vukovic wrote: > And then theres this... > > http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015 > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nuno Conceicao < > nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7 >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: >> >>> I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it >>> or not. >>> >>> Any increase in performance? >>> >>> Strange issues with Softimage? >>> >>> Thx. >>> >>> >> >
Re: Windows 8
And then theres this... http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015 On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nuno Conceicao < nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com> wrote: > Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7 > > > On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: > >> I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or >> not. >> >> Any increase in performance? >> >> Strange issues with Softimage? >> >> Thx. >> >> >
Re: Windows 8
Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7 On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: > I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or > not. > > Any increase in performance? > > Strange issues with Softimage? > > Thx. > >
Re: Windows 8
Win 7 won be unsupported by Microsoft any moment now making it the less secure OS so you may want to upgrade to 8.. Shame Jb Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Jan 2014, at 11:21, Tim Leydecker wrote: > > It´s worth checking out if your windows 8 licenses would include > a so called "downgrade" option for windows 7. > > Such a feature is part of the windows 8 pro license option but you´d > have to check your small print and additional requirements, like access > to a physical install dvd of a windows 7 pro OS. > > But basically, a windows 8 pro key can be used to activate a windows 7 pro > license: > > http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/windows/3459580/roll-back-windows-7-from-windows-8/ > > -- > > This way, you can make the transition as smooth as possible, roll back or > even postpone it > if neccessary for your work environment. > > Cheers, > > tim > > > >> On 12.01.2014 05:02, Martin wrote: >> I'm buying a couple of PCs for the office and I'm not sure if I should >> choose 8 or 7. All our PCs are with Win 7 and we are not upgrading them >> anytime soon. >> Any considerations I should have to pick my OS? >> >> Any problems with Win8 and your typical 3D related software? I've heard >> about problems with Wacom tablets ? >> >> thanks >> >> Martin >> Sent from my iPhone
Re: Windows 8
It´s worth checking out if your windows 8 licenses would include a so called "downgrade" option for windows 7. Such a feature is part of the windows 8 pro license option but you´d have to check your small print and additional requirements, like access to a physical install dvd of a windows 7 pro OS. But basically, a windows 8 pro key can be used to activate a windows 7 pro license: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/windows/3459580/roll-back-windows-7-from-windows-8/ -- This way, you can make the transition as smooth as possible, roll back or even postpone it if neccessary for your work environment. Cheers, tim On 12.01.2014 05:02, Martin wrote: I'm buying a couple of PCs for the office and I'm not sure if I should choose 8 or 7. All our PCs are with Win 7 and we are not upgrading them anytime soon. Any considerations I should have to pick my OS? Any problems with Win8 and your typical 3D related software? I've heard about problems with Wacom tablets ? thanks Martin Sent from my iPhone
Re: Windows 8
Yeah, it's the first thing I run wherever I go! Anyone who's bothered by the Windows tablet features should definitely check it out. DAN On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:13 AM, Bruno-Pierre Jobin wrote: > Have you guys tried Fixmypen from Viziblr? It turns off all the annoying > things of windows when using a wacom. > > http://viziblr.codeplex.com/releases/view/71703 > > > Bruno > > On Saturday, 11 January, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Martin wrote: > > I'm buying a couple of PCs for the office and I'm not sure if I should > choose 8 or 7. All our PCs are with Win 7 and we are not upgrading them > anytime soon. > Any considerations I should have to pick my OS? > > Any problems with Win8 and your typical 3D related software? I've heard > about problems with Wacom tablets ? > > thanks > > Martin > Sent from my iPhone > > >
Re: Windows 8
Like when pressing the annoying blue circle coming in? 2014/1/12 Bruno-Pierre Jobin > Have you guys tried Fixmypen from Viziblr? It turns off all the annoying > things of windows when using a wacom. > > http://viziblr.codeplex.com/releases/view/71703 > > > Bruno > > On Saturday, 11 January, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Martin wrote: > > I'm buying a couple of PCs for the office and I'm not sure if I should > choose 8 or 7. All our PCs are with Win 7 and we are not upgrading them > anytime soon. > Any considerations I should have to pick my OS? > > Any problems with Win8 and your typical 3D related software? I've heard > about problems with Wacom tablets ? > > thanks > > Martin > Sent from my iPhone > > >
Re: Windows 8
Have you guys tried Fixmypen from Viziblr? It turns off all the annoying things of windows when using a wacom. http://viziblr.codeplex.com/releases/view/71703 Bruno On Saturday, 11 January, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Martin wrote: > I'm buying a couple of PCs for the office and I'm not sure if I should choose > 8 or 7. All our PCs are with Win 7 and we are not upgrading them anytime soon. > Any considerations I should have to pick my OS? > > Any problems with Win8 and your typical 3D related software? I've heard about > problems with Wacom tablets ? > > thanks > > Martin > Sent from my iPhone > > >
Re: Windows 8
I'm buying a couple of PCs for the office and I'm not sure if I should choose 8 or 7. All our PCs are with Win 7 and we are not upgrading them anytime soon. Any considerations I should have to pick my OS? Any problems with Win8 and your typical 3D related software? I've heard about problems with Wacom tablets ? thanks Martin Sent from my iPhone
Re: Windows 8
I use StartIsBack for 8.1 as I can't manage without normal start menu functionality. Free if you don't mind a nag screen. On 11 January 2014 13:04, Andres Stephens wrote: > I love W8 (and 8.1 more), the general workflow of things is a lot > smoother than 7’s, and the ribbon in the explorer is quite handy and always > missed when I go to 7 again. > > If you never used the start menu, the new tiles in 8.1 will certainly > suffice. I find it’s app search fast and useful - also the new gesture > things aok. If you just learn how to change the tile system to have the > same background as your desktop, the switch won’t be so jarring. Also > learning some windows shortcut keys make it that much easier to use. > > I find handling of ram and speed of software load and system load to be > phenomenally faster in 8 over 7. > > Anyway.. enough praise for now… sure go ahead with out - but yes.. it has > it’s driver quirks still, and I find more so when it comes to sound drivers > and old tablets - but it’s fairly well rounded when it comes to that. > > Concerning SI in 8, had no problems. > > > Cheers. > > -Draise > > > *From:* Emilio Hernandez > *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 21:09 > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > > I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or > not. > > Any increase in performance? > > Strange issues with Softimage? > > Thx. > >
Re: Windows 8
I love W8 (and 8.1 more), the general workflow of things is a lot smoother than 7’s, and the ribbon in the explorer is quite handy and always missed when I go to 7 again. If you never used the start menu, the new tiles in 8.1 will certainly suffice. I find it’s app search fast and useful - also the new gesture things aok. If you just learn how to change the tile system to have the same background as your desktop, the switch won’t be so jarring. Also learning some windows shortcut keys make it that much easier to use. I find handling of ram and speed of software load and system load to be phenomenally faster in 8 over 7. Anyway.. enough praise for now… sure go ahead with out - but yes.. it has it’s driver quirks still, and I find more so when it comes to sound drivers and old tablets - but it’s fairly well rounded when it comes to that. Concerning SI in 8, had no problems. Cheers. -Draise From: Emilio Hernandez Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 21:09 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx.
Re: Windows 8
8.1 is actually pretty decent these days, especially if you are on the modern side of the technology line. Even with the cosmetic re-shuffle bringing back a more start menu feeling it's still a bit awkward and inefficient at times with its hybrid approach and some too tablet friendly approaches in the UI when working with a large monitor and a mouse/tablet, but all in all they rarely get in the way of actual work once you have your apps up. Performance wise though it's a more modern and better OS than the previous windows. Performance, boot times, memory management, file handling and so on are all better, and that is with two fresh installs on two SSD drives of 7 and 8.1 side by side on the same box, so no placebo or fresh vs muddy installs affecting the comparison. It's not going to blow your mind compared to a fresh and well tended win7 install, and while there is a handful of nice features if you take the time to read up and get used to the tricks, there will be some annoying changes as well, but if you embrace it and give it an honest try instead of installing it with the firm intention to hate it right out of the gate I'd say it's at the very least worth a try. You might like it. If you can buy an SSD drive somewhere that offers no-hassle returns like Amazon I would buy one, install there, and give it an honest effort for a week or two and then decide from there. It'll be a few hours of your time but you have a better than even chance to find them well spent IMO. On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: > I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or > not. > > Any increase in performance? > > Strange issues with Softimage? > > Thx. > > -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
Re: Windows 8
Well seems that for a quiet weekend it is a good chance to upgrade then. Thx for the comments. 2014/1/11 Rob Wuijster > that's a personal opinion. > > running win8.1 on a couple of pc's and a surface pro over here, and am > very happy with it. > especially with the fact that win8 will sync most of the win settings to > the cloud, so stuff will travel much easier between machines. > and the Modern UI/apps are great on a tablet. > > 8.1 is a lot better OS than 8 when it came out. > and all the complaining about the removal of the start menu and lesser > productivity on the desktop is just nagging because MS finally got back > into the game, and had the balls to start changing things that should have > been done years ago. > and no... the desktop isn't going away anytime soon > > my personal 0.02 euro's > > Rob > > \/-\/\/ > > On 11-1-2014 9:13, Sam Bowling wrote: > > If you really feel like reinstalling an OS, reinstall windows 7, you > will get a performance increase because it’s a fresh install and you will > get all the fun of reinstalling all of your programs but you won’t get the > crap that is windows 8 in the process. Don’t waste your time or money on > windows 8, it’s just not worth it. > > > > > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ > mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] > *On Behalf Of *Emilio Hernandez > *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 6:09 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Windows 8 > > > > I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or > not. > > Any increase in performance? > > Strange issues with Softimage? > > Thx. > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6992 - Release Date: 01/10/14 > > >
Re: Windows 8
that's a personal opinion. running win8.1 on a couple of pc's and a surface pro over here, and am very happy with it. especially with the fact that win8 will sync most of the win settings to the cloud, so stuff will travel much easier between machines. and the Modern UI/apps are great on a tablet. 8.1 is a lot better OS than 8 when it came out. and all the complaining about the removal of the start menu and lesser productivity on the desktop is just nagging because MS finally got back into the game, and had the balls to start changing things that should have been done years ago. and no... the desktop isn't going away anytime soon my personal 0.02 euro's Rob \/-\/\/ On 11-1-2014 9:13, Sam Bowling wrote: If you really feel like reinstalling an OS, reinstall windows 7, you will get a performance increase because it's a fresh install and you will get all the fun of reinstalling all of your programs but you won't get the crap that is windows 8 in the process. Don't waste your time or money on windows 8, it's just not worth it. *From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Emilio Hernandez *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 6:09 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Windows 8 I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6992 - Release Date: 01/10/14
Re: Windows 8
Well I was against win8 at first but after trying it I can now only recommend it so... personal flavor I guess On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Sam Bowling wrote: > If you really feel like reinstalling an OS, reinstall windows 7, you will > get a performance increase because it’s a fresh install and you will get > all the fun of reinstalling all of your programs but you won’t get the crap > that is windows 8 in the process. Don’t waste your time or money on windows > 8, it’s just not worth it. > > > > > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Emilio Hernandez > *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 6:09 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Windows 8 > > > > I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or > not. > > Any increase in performance? > > Strange issues with Softimage? > > Thx. > >
RE: Windows 8
If you really feel like reinstalling an OS, reinstall windows 7, you will get a performance increase because it's a fresh install and you will get all the fun of reinstalling all of your programs but you won't get the crap that is windows 8 in the process. Don't waste your time or money on windows 8, it's just not worth it. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Emilio Hernandez Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 6:09 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Windows 8 I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx. <http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8965/erojamailpleca.jpg>
Re: Windows 8
Install 8, upgrade to 8.1 and get any of those start is back buttons (I've got Star8 for example) and there you go, no need to even think about metro and stuff, win7 look with win8 speed and optimizations. For me it is much faster and fluid really and especially recommend it if you got comp with latest tech like SSD drives for examples, 8 is handling them better then win 7. On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 4:02 AM, Jon Swindells wrote: > I'd run it in a vm and have a proper look around before you commit to a > full install. > > > -- > Jon Swindells > jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm > > > > On Sat, Jan 11, 2014, at 04:47 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: > Hey thx for your thoghts Jon. I have a stable 7. Just wondering if it will > be more "agile" for saying so. >
Re: Windows 8
I'd run it in a vm and have a proper look around before you commit to a full install. -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Sat, Jan 11, 2014, at 04:47 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: Hey thx for your thoghts Jon. I have a stable 7. Just wondering if it will be more "agile" for saying so.
Re: Windows 8
Hey thx for your thoghts Jon. I have a stable 7. Just wondering if it will be more "agile" for saying so. El ene 10, 2014 8:43 PM, "Jon Swindells" escribió: > once you get rid of all the surface gubbins win8 is actually quite nice. > > Performance is noticeably better on the whole...but that could just be due > to > it being a fresh install. > I did notice a marked difference in Maya viewport speed (and in bf4 :) ) > > no strange issues with XSI as of yet but i did have a hell of a time > setting up > the sdk to build with vs2010/SDK v7.x > > is it worth it? if you are on a stable win7 system then i don't think so. > > if you want to tinker or are fed up with your sludgy 7 install then, yes, > definately > > > > > -- > Jon Swindells > jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm > > > > On Sat, Jan 11, 2014, at 04:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: > > I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or > not. > > Any increase in performance? > > Strange issues with Softimage? > > Thx. > >
Re: Windows 8
once you get rid of all the surface gubbins win8 is actually quite nice. Performance is noticeably better on the whole...but that could just be due to it being a fresh install. I did notice a marked difference in Maya viewport speed (and in bf4 :) ) no strange issues with XSI as of yet but i did have a hell of a time setting up the sdk to build with vs2010/SDK v7.x is it worth it? if you are on a stable win7 system then i don't think so. if you want to tinker or are fed up with your sludgy 7 install then, yes, definately -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Sat, Jan 11, 2014, at 04:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx. [erojamailpleca.jpg]
Windows 8
I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx.
Re: Panasonic 20" 4K windows 8 tablet
Yeah, I have my fingers crossed for that not to suck. Surface Pro would actually be interesting if it wasn't tied to MS, and the "wacom technology" wasn't provided with crippled drivers that don't support pressure sensitivity much. Well, and it had a bigger surface. If Wacom comes out with a well kitted out, platform agnostic 12-16" tablet with proper drivers and decent components, they might get my cash. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Eugen Sares wrote: > The panasonic tablet probably won't be mature enough to be a safe bet, > though it's a push in the right direction. > Guy says something about 3 hours battery life... best case I guess. The > pen is clunky indeed, and 4K means really tiny icons. > > MS surface would be somewhat interesting, would it be bigger than the > measly 10.6". > > Raffaele, do you mean this wacom piece? > > http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/01/wacom-teases-upcoming-hd-mobile-tablet-for-creative-uses/ > > >
Re: Panasonic 20" 4K windows 8 tablet
The panasonic tablet probably won't be mature enough to be a safe bet, though it's a push in the right direction. Guy says something about 3 hours battery life... best case I guess. The pen is clunky indeed, and 4K means really tiny icons. MS surface would be somewhat interesting, would it be bigger than the measly 10.6". Raffaele, do you mean this wacom piece? http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/01/wacom-teases-upcoming-hd-mobile-tablet-for-creative-uses/ Am 14.03.2013 04:52, schrieb Raffaele Fragapane: I like mine for about half the stuff I do, I find it miserable and painful whenever software isn't up to scratch, and while Linux is ok, windows is horrid with high res and the stupid 100/125/150% zoom options and its crippled, for dummies, lack of interface customization (which most apps ignore outright anyway). It also, obviously, doesn't work that well (always windows fault) when you have two monitors of different DPI, since you can't change size settings per monitor, so to make menus readable on one, they look like the duplo version on the other. Size is nice, and it's on the edge of the ideal ratio of viewing distance, resolution and window of viewing, but it seems most of the world outside of Apple hasn't caught up to the option. It's also a fairly big chunk of change in performance for a resolution bump that only really shines when editing 1080p or 2k footage, in other use cases it hardly matters. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:40 PM, James De Colling mailto:james.decoll...@gmail.com>> wrote: im loving my upgrade from a 24 to a 27, the extra res/ppi is lovely if those 36" 4k Eizo's were a reasonable price, i'd jump at one. ditch the dual screen setup, go back to a single, large screen On Thursday, March 14, 2013, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Looks like the laggiest crap I've ever seen. He had to tap stuff thrice or more before it'd pop up several seconds later, he pinch zoomed and nothing happened (moved on silently like a champ), lines appeared with several frames worth of lag, and I don't even wanna think what the battery life would be like. Most apps are bad enough with a 2.5k 27" monitor, a 4k 20" while OS' and software haven't woken up to the HR call yet? No thanks. Waiting for the Wacom one for now. Not sold on this new 4k revolution yet, definitely not on a tablet format. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Manuel Huertas Marchena wrote: Cool screen, but the pen looks like a fat crayola! > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:24:05 +0100 > From: softim...@keyvis.at > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: Panasonic 20" 4K windows 8 tablet > > Ain't that some interesting piece of hardware: > > http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/panasonic-20-inch-4k-windows-8-tablet-hands-on/ > http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tablets/news/panasonic-shows-of-a-20-inch-4k-windows-8-tablet-at-ces-315261 > -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
Re: Panasonic 20" 4K windows 8 tablet
I like mine for about half the stuff I do, I find it miserable and painful whenever software isn't up to scratch, and while Linux is ok, windows is horrid with high res and the stupid 100/125/150% zoom options and its crippled, for dummies, lack of interface customization (which most apps ignore outright anyway). It also, obviously, doesn't work that well (always windows fault) when you have two monitors of different DPI, since you can't change size settings per monitor, so to make menus readable on one, they look like the duplo version on the other. Size is nice, and it's on the edge of the ideal ratio of viewing distance, resolution and window of viewing, but it seems most of the world outside of Apple hasn't caught up to the option. It's also a fairly big chunk of change in performance for a resolution bump that only really shines when editing 1080p or 2k footage, in other use cases it hardly matters. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:40 PM, James De Colling wrote: > im loving my upgrade from a 24 to a 27, the extra res/ppi is lovely > > if those 36" 4k Eizo's were a reasonable price, i'd jump at one. ditch the > dual screen setup, go back to a single, large screen > > > > > On Thursday, March 14, 2013, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: > >> Looks like the laggiest crap I've ever seen. >> >> He had to tap stuff thrice or more before it'd pop up several seconds >> later, he pinch zoomed and nothing happened (moved on silently like a >> champ), lines appeared with several frames worth of lag, and I don't even >> wanna think what the battery life would be like. >> >> Most apps are bad enough with a 2.5k 27" monitor, a 4k 20" while OS' and >> software haven't woken up to the HR call yet? No thanks. >> >> Waiting for the Wacom one for now. >> >> Not sold on this new 4k revolution yet, definitely not on a tablet format. >> >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Manuel Huertas Marchena < >> lito...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Cool screen, but the pen looks like a fat crayola! >>> >>> > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:24:05 +0100 >>> > From: softim...@keyvis.at >>> > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >>> > Subject: Panasonic 20" 4K windows 8 tablet >>> >>> > >>> > Ain't that some interesting piece of hardware: >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/panasonic-20-inch-4k-windows-8-tablet-hands-on/ >>> > >>> http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tablets/news/panasonic-shows-of-a-20-inch-4k-windows-8-tablet-at-ces-315261 >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it >> and let them flee like the dogs they are! >> > -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
Re: Panasonic 20" 4K windows 8 tablet
im loving my upgrade from a 24 to a 27, the extra res/ppi is lovely if those 36" 4k Eizo's were a reasonable price, i'd jump at one. ditch the dual screen setup, go back to a single, large screen On Thursday, March 14, 2013, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: > Looks like the laggiest crap I've ever seen. > > He had to tap stuff thrice or more before it'd pop up several seconds > later, he pinch zoomed and nothing happened (moved on silently like a > champ), lines appeared with several frames worth of lag, and I don't even > wanna think what the battery life would be like. > > Most apps are bad enough with a 2.5k 27" monitor, a 4k 20" while OS' and > software haven't woken up to the HR call yet? No thanks. > > Waiting for the Wacom one for now. > > Not sold on this new 4k revolution yet, definitely not on a tablet format. > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Manuel Huertas Marchena < > lito...@hotmail.com >wrote: > >> Cool screen, but the pen looks like a fat crayola! >> >> > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:24:05 +0100 >> > From: softim...@keyvis.at > 'softim...@keyvis.at');> >> > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > 'softimage@listproc.autodesk.com');> >> > Subject: Panasonic 20" 4K windows 8 tablet >> >> > >> > Ain't that some interesting piece of hardware: >> > >> > >> http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/panasonic-20-inch-4k-windows-8-tablet-hands-on/ >> > >> http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tablets/news/panasonic-shows-of-a-20-inch-4k-windows-8-tablet-at-ces-315261 >> > >> > > > > -- > Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it > and let them flee like the dogs they are! >
Re: Panasonic 20" 4K windows 8 tablet
Looks like the laggiest crap I've ever seen. He had to tap stuff thrice or more before it'd pop up several seconds later, he pinch zoomed and nothing happened (moved on silently like a champ), lines appeared with several frames worth of lag, and I don't even wanna think what the battery life would be like. Most apps are bad enough with a 2.5k 27" monitor, a 4k 20" while OS' and software haven't woken up to the HR call yet? No thanks. Waiting for the Wacom one for now. Not sold on this new 4k revolution yet, definitely not on a tablet format. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Manuel Huertas Marchena < lito...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Cool screen, but the pen looks like a fat crayola! > > > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:24:05 +0100 > > From: softim...@keyvis.at > > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > > Subject: Panasonic 20" 4K windows 8 tablet > > > > > Ain't that some interesting piece of hardware: > > > > > http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/panasonic-20-inch-4k-windows-8-tablet-hands-on/ > > > http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tablets/news/panasonic-shows-of-a-20-inch-4k-windows-8-tablet-at-ces-315261 > > > -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
RE: Panasonic 20" 4K windows 8 tablet
Cool screen, but the pen looks like a fat crayola! > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:24:05 +0100 > From: softim...@keyvis.at > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: Panasonic 20" 4K windows 8 tablet > > Ain't that some interesting piece of hardware: > > http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/panasonic-20-inch-4k-windows-8-tablet-hands-on/ > http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tablets/news/panasonic-shows-of-a-20-inch-4k-windows-8-tablet-at-ces-315261 >
Panasonic 20" 4K windows 8 tablet
Ain't that some interesting piece of hardware: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/panasonic-20-inch-4k-windows-8-tablet-hands-on/ http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tablets/news/panasonic-shows-of-a-20-inch-4k-windows-8-tablet-at-ces-315261
RE: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
He has the script, but the point is the feature to ignore the hand is not native to the tablet, it has to be handled per application. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Davidson Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:32 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? After seeing your post about not being able to switch off the touchscreen while you are using a pen, I did some research, and found this YouTube link that not only shows off how well the tablet works, it also gives you a link to a custom script that will allow you to switch off the touch screen while using the pen. You may want to give your lead animator this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTHbCNiUpK4 As far as stylus storage, wrap the pen in velcro and stick the alternate velcro side (the hooks) to the case that you use to store the tablet. On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Matt Lind mailto:ml...@carbinestudios.com>> wrote: Our lead animator has the Slate running windows 7. It's not bad, but has a few obvious shortcomings such as no place to store the stylus when not in use. Also doesn't have a mode to only acknowledge the stylus. Resting your hand on the slate while using the stylus often results in unintended actions. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Paul Griswold Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:45 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? Actually the one device I'm very interested in is the Samsung Series 7 slate running Windows 8. It's a Core i5 based machine with a Wacom screen, so it's 100% Windows, not RT. Seems like a good alternative to a Cintiq with the bonus of being a full-blown computer. But with Win 8 officially shipping soon, I'm waiting to see if there's a hardware refresh on the unit in the fall. -Paul -- Best Regards, Stephen P. Davidson (954) 552-7956 sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com<mailto:sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com> [http://www.3danimationmagic.com/3Danimation_magic_logo_sign.jpg]<http://www.3danimationmagic.com>
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
After seeing your post about not being able to switch off the touchscreen while you are using a pen, I did some research, and found this YouTube link that not only shows off how well the tablet works, it also gives you a link to a custom script that will allow you to switch off the touch screen while using the pen. You may want to give your lead animator this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTHbCNiUpK4 As far as stylus storage, wrap the pen in velcro and stick the alternate velcro side (the hooks) to the case that you use to store the tablet. On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Matt Lind wrote: > Our lead animator has the Slate running windows 7. It’s not bad, but has > a few obvious shortcomings such as no place to store the stylus when not in > use. Also doesn’t have a mode to only acknowledge the stylus. Resting > your hand on the slate while using the stylus often results in unintended > actions. > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Matt > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Griswold > *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:45 PM > > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? > > ** ** > > Actually the one device I'm very interested in is the Samsung Series 7 > slate running Windows 8. It's a Core i5 based machine with a Wacom screen, > so it's 100% Windows, not RT. Seems like a good alternative to a Cintiq > with the bonus of being a full-blown computer. > > ** ** > > But with Win 8 officially shipping soon, I'm waiting to see if there's a > hardware refresh on the unit in the fall. > > ** ** > > -Paul > > ** ** > -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson** **(954) 552-7956 *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com <http://www.3danimationmagic.com>
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Oh, that's not good. You must have a way to switch of the touch screen when you use the pen. How crazy, not to be able to do that. On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Matt Lind wrote: > Our lead animator has the Slate running windows 7. It’s not bad, but has > a few obvious shortcomings such as no place to store the stylus when not in > use. Also doesn’t have a mode to only acknowledge the stylus. Resting > your hand on the slate while using the stylus often results in unintended > actions. > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Matt > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Griswold > *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:45 PM > > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? > > ** ** > > Actually the one device I'm very interested in is the Samsung Series 7 > slate running Windows 8. It's a Core i5 based machine with a Wacom screen, > so it's 100% Windows, not RT. Seems like a good alternative to a Cintiq > with the bonus of being a full-blown computer. > > ** ** > > But with Win 8 officially shipping soon, I'm waiting to see if there's a > hardware refresh on the unit in the fall. > > ** ** > > -Paul > > ** ** > -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson** **(954) 552-7956 *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com <http://www.3danimationmagic.com>
RE: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Our lead animator has the Slate running windows 7. It's not bad, but has a few obvious shortcomings such as no place to store the stylus when not in use. Also doesn't have a mode to only acknowledge the stylus. Resting your hand on the slate while using the stylus often results in unintended actions. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Paul Griswold Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:45 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? Actually the one device I'm very interested in is the Samsung Series 7 slate running Windows 8. It's a Core i5 based machine with a Wacom screen, so it's 100% Windows, not RT. Seems like a good alternative to a Cintiq with the bonus of being a full-blown computer. But with Win 8 officially shipping soon, I'm waiting to see if there's a hardware refresh on the unit in the fall. -Paul
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Nice Find! This one goes on my list to Santa. SWEET. On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Paul Griswold < pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote: > Actually the one device I'm very interested in is the Samsung Series 7 > slate running Windows 8. It's a Core i5 based machine with a Wacom screen, > so it's 100% Windows, not RT. Seems like a good alternative to a Cintiq > with the bonus of being a full-blown computer. > > But with Win 8 officially shipping soon, I'm waiting to see if there's a > hardware refresh on the unit in the fall. > > -Paul > > -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson** **(954) 552-7956 *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com <http://www.3danimationmagic.com>
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Actually the one device I'm very interested in is the Samsung Series 7 slate running Windows 8. It's a Core i5 based machine with a Wacom screen, so it's 100% Windows, not RT. Seems like a good alternative to a Cintiq with the bonus of being a full-blown computer. But with Win 8 officially shipping soon, I'm waiting to see if there's a hardware refresh on the unit in the fall. -Paul
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Notice in the teaser, the "artist" is wearing glasses that is from squinting at a 5.5" screen. When creating "art" I want a big screen. Bigger than 10" would be nice. Yeah, ok, that's not a "portable" device, but does everything have to be "portable" ? I'm starting to feel manipulated, by marketing hype, instead of defining my needs. How portable is an easel and canvas? Does that lack of portability stop an artist from painting a landscape or portrait? I notice many people must have the latest and greatest gadget. Ask yourself "What do I need?" "What features of a tablet would make the creativity process easier and more productive?" Just my two cents from an experienced (read old) artist. On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Jens Lindgren wrote: > The Samsung Galaxy Note II will be announced August 29th and I think it > will be more targeted to the artistic people as you can see in this teaser: > > http://androidandme.com/2012/08/smartphones-2/samsung-teases-galaxy-note-ii-in-new-online-video/ > > /Jens > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Matt Lind wrote: > >> The tablet comes with Photoshop Touch installed. >> >> ** ** >> >> I have the Galaxy Note phone, which ironically has the same screen >> resolution as the tablet. The apps are pretty nice but do take some >> getting used to. While the Note comes with a stylus, can be used to paint >> and other creative things, it’s targeted towards a light business audience, >> not artistic (write memos, fill out forms, communicate on the go, etc…). >> >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Matt >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Davidson >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:13 AM >> >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? >> >> ** ** >> >> Nice that it has a pressure sensitive pen (Wacom) >> >> Like you said, the review is not great. >> >> And it's Android OS which does not support Photoshop. >> >> I don't know of any decent paint program for Android >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks for trying, though. >> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Nic Groot Bluemink < >> nicgrootbluem...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> There's the new Galaxy Note with a Wacom pen. Underwhelmed a bit in the >> review though- >> http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/15/3243546/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-review >> >> -Nic >> >> ** ** >> >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Davidson >> wrote: >> >> Bottom line, for me, Windows 8 is fine to use on my tablet, but >> >> there is no reason to use it on my workstation, unless they force me to,* >> *** >> >> by dropping support for Windows 7, like they will, for XP, on April 8th >> 2014. >> >> ** ** >> >> I have a laptop/tablet pc that I use for drawing (it has a Wacom >> pressure sensitive pen) >> >> that runs on XP, but won't run Windows 7. I guess it will have a limited >> life. >> >> It is a shame, because I can't find any new tablets that support pressure >> >> >> sensitive pens. Most new tablets run on Android, which looks like the >> model >> >> for Windows 8. Android is great for non-business devices, but that too is >> >> >> geared for tablets. >> >> ** ** >> >> I think what the problem is that there is no money in selling to the >> professional >> >> video and entertainment market. Look what Apple did with Final Cut Pro.** >> ** >> >> They turned it into a home user product, and ignored the pro market >> completely. >> >> ** ** >> >> Maybe it is just a big hint, from the universe, for me to start a new >> career. ;) >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Andersson >> wrote: >> >> Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. >> Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, >> but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. >> It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the >> hood
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Maybe not as a professional production device. But there are a number of good art apps for android. I, personally, really really like my Galaxy Note. It is still small enough to fit in my front jeans pocket, it is snappy, and it is convenient for sketching out ideas or as a portable sketchbook. On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Matt Lind wrote: > I doubt any phone will be considered an artistic device. > > ** ** > > Matt > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Jens Lindgren > *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:55 AM > > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? > > ** ** > > The Samsung Galaxy Note II will be announced August 29th and I think it > will be more targeted to the artistic people as you can see in this teaser: > > > > http://androidandme.com/2012/08/smartphones-2/samsung-teases-galaxy-note-ii-in-new-online-video/ > > > > > /Jens > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Matt Lind > wrote: > > The tablet comes with Photoshop Touch installed. > > > > I have the Galaxy Note phone, which ironically has the same screen > resolution as the tablet. The apps are pretty nice but do take some > getting used to. While the Note comes with a stylus, can be used to paint > and other creative things, it’s targeted towards a light business audience, > not artistic (write memos, fill out forms, communicate on the go, etc…). > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Davidson > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:13 AM > > > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? > > > > Nice that it has a pressure sensitive pen (Wacom) > > Like you said, the review is not great. > > And it's Android OS which does not support Photoshop. > > I don't know of any decent paint program for Android > > > > > > Thanks for trying, though. > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Nic Groot Bluemink < > nicgrootbluem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There's the new Galaxy Note with a Wacom pen. Underwhelmed a bit in the > review though- > http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/15/3243546/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-review > > -Nic > > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Davidson > wrote: > > Bottom line, for me, Windows 8 is fine to use on my tablet, but > > there is no reason to use it on my workstation, unless they force me to,** > ** > > by dropping support for Windows 7, like they will, for XP, on April 8th > 2014. > > > > I have a laptop/tablet pc that I use for drawing (it has a Wacom > pressure sensitive pen) > > that runs on XP, but won't run Windows 7. I guess it will have a limited > life. > > It is a shame, because I can't find any new tablets that support pressure* > *** > > sensitive pens. Most new tablets run on Android, which looks like the model > > > for Windows 8. Android is great for non-business devices, but that too is* > *** > > geared for tablets. > > > > I think what the problem is that there is no money in selling to the > professional > > video and entertainment market. Look what Apple did with Final Cut Pro.*** > * > > They turned it into a home user product, and ignored the pro market > completely. > > > > Maybe it is just a big hint, from the universe, for me to start a new > career. ;) > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Andersson > wrote: > > Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. > Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, > but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. > It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the hood > that I had no idea of what they were up to. > Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no > apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without > a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last > attempt which was with Vista. > > I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. > > regards > stefan > >
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I doubt any phone will be considered an artistic device. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:55 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? The Samsung Galaxy Note II will be announced August 29th and I think it will be more targeted to the artistic people as you can see in this teaser: http://androidandme.com/2012/08/smartphones-2/samsung-teases-galaxy-note-ii-in-new-online-video/ /Jens On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Matt Lind mailto:ml...@carbinestudios.com>> wrote: The tablet comes with Photoshop Touch installed. I have the Galaxy Note phone, which ironically has the same screen resolution as the tablet. The apps are pretty nice but do take some getting used to. While the Note comes with a stylus, can be used to paint and other creative things, it's targeted towards a light business audience, not artistic (write memos, fill out forms, communicate on the go, etc...). Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Stephen Davidson Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:13 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? Nice that it has a pressure sensitive pen (Wacom) Like you said, the review is not great. And it's Android OS which does not support Photoshop. I don't know of any decent paint program for Android Thanks for trying, though. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Nic Groot Bluemink mailto:nicgrootbluem...@gmail.com>> wrote: There's the new Galaxy Note with a Wacom pen. Underwhelmed a bit in the review though- http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/15/3243546/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-review -Nic On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Davidson mailto:magic...@bellsouth.net>> wrote: Bottom line, for me, Windows 8 is fine to use on my tablet, but there is no reason to use it on my workstation, unless they force me to, by dropping support for Windows 7, like they will, for XP, on April 8th 2014. I have a laptop/tablet pc that I use for drawing (it has a Wacom pressure sensitive pen) that runs on XP, but won't run Windows 7. I guess it will have a limited life. It is a shame, because I can't find any new tablets that support pressure sensitive pens. Most new tablets run on Android, which looks like the model for Windows 8. Android is great for non-business devices, but that too is geared for tablets. I think what the problem is that there is no money in selling to the professional video and entertainment market. Look what Apple did with Final Cut Pro. They turned it into a home user product, and ignored the pro market completely. Maybe it is just a big hint, from the universe, for me to start a new career. ;) On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Andersson mailto:sander...@gmail.com>> wrote: Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the hood that I had no idea of what they were up to. Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last attempt which was with Vista. I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. regards stefan On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom mailto:andreas.byst...@gmail.com>> wrote: ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson mailto:sander...@gmail.com>> wrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applic
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The Samsung Galaxy Note II will be announced August 29th and I think it will be more targeted to the artistic people as you can see in this teaser: http://androidandme.com/2012/08/smartphones-2/samsung-teases-galaxy-note-ii-in-new-online-video/ /Jens On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Matt Lind wrote: > The tablet comes with Photoshop Touch installed. > > ** ** > > I have the Galaxy Note phone, which ironically has the same screen > resolution as the tablet. The apps are pretty nice but do take some > getting used to. While the Note comes with a stylus, can be used to paint > and other creative things, it’s targeted towards a light business audience, > not artistic (write memos, fill out forms, communicate on the go, etc…). > > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Matt > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Davidson > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:13 AM > > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? > > ** ** > > Nice that it has a pressure sensitive pen (Wacom) > > Like you said, the review is not great. > > And it's Android OS which does not support Photoshop. > > I don't know of any decent paint program for Android > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Thanks for trying, though. > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Nic Groot Bluemink < > nicgrootbluem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There's the new Galaxy Note with a Wacom pen. Underwhelmed a bit in the > review though- > http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/15/3243546/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-review > > -Nic > > ** ** > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Davidson > wrote: > > Bottom line, for me, Windows 8 is fine to use on my tablet, but > > there is no reason to use it on my workstation, unless they force me to,** > ** > > by dropping support for Windows 7, like they will, for XP, on April 8th > 2014. > > ** ** > > I have a laptop/tablet pc that I use for drawing (it has a Wacom > pressure sensitive pen) > > that runs on XP, but won't run Windows 7. I guess it will have a limited > life. > > It is a shame, because I can't find any new tablets that support pressure* > *** > > sensitive pens. Most new tablets run on Android, which looks like the model > > > for Windows 8. Android is great for non-business devices, but that too is* > *** > > geared for tablets. > > ** ** > > I think what the problem is that there is no money in selling to the > professional > > video and entertainment market. Look what Apple did with Final Cut Pro.*** > * > > They turned it into a home user product, and ignored the pro market > completely. > > ** ** > > Maybe it is just a big hint, from the universe, for me to start a new > career. ;) > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Andersson > wrote: > > Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. > Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, > but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. > It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the hood > that I had no idea of what they were up to. > Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no > apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without > a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last > attempt which was with Vista. > > I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. > > regards > stefan > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom < > andreas.byst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm > really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage > works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." > > hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan > jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. > > on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come > out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm > staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded > throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 1
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Win 8 will be fine; it's already outperforming Win 7 in the benchmarks. Mac influence in the desktop world is very minor compared to Windows dominance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems Windows = 70.42% Mac = 7.46% Linux = 1.53% Daniel VFXM
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Interesting how heated this is still getting when the differences are actually growing smaller every day. :-) Windows Explorer has grown as crappy as the stock Finder, but for both there are good replacements (I use XYplorer and Pathfinder but there are many). I run both systems on a MacPro and I'm happy to be able to switch - right now I have a project that needs both. I tried Windows 8 on a machine in a store lately and found Metro much less of a problem than I thought. And there already is a "Classic Start Menu" Version that supports Windows 8, it replaced the - IMO crappy - Win7 Startmenu for me a long time ago. I have been able to disable almost everything I ever wanted to disable on either system, from replacing the ugly start graphics (on both systems) to the automatic window-opening on OSX Lion or the zip folder functionality in Windows. On Mountain Lion, you can SaveAs again when holding CTRL and open non-signed apps also with CTRL. I guess I'll find some things to like in Win8 as well. We'll see how it all turns out :-) Cheers, Tom On 21 August 2012 20:40, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote: > That's the gambling market.. money is made by speculating about how > much one could sell the stock to someone else in the future. The way > the stock market was supposed to work was that you bought shares in a > company in order to own part of it and get dividends, proportional to > your number of shares, from that company's revenue.In any case, > it's not a reflection of how many people run windows vs macs, which is > how this all started. :) > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Gene Crucean > wrote: > >> but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. > > > > > > Actually... it's cheap because why would I dump money into a stock that > > hasn't done jack sh** in 5 years, vs dumping money into a company that's > > exploding. Proof: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/AppleVsMS.png > > > > ... but feel free to defend MS every time I post something about Apple. > I'm > > not really sure why you do that Luc. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Kiril Aronofski > > wrote: > >> > >> RE: desktops are doomed > >> > >> Don't forget all this mobile devices are consumerist in nature - someone > >> will somehow still have to create the content for them to consume. > Desktop > >> sales are in decline as most people realize they can survive with a > tablet > >> and a phone. In my opinion Microsoft is trying to leverage both worlds > by > >> making this hybrid system where "a desktop" is a professional > environment > >> you can enter if you wish so, but "metro" is the frontend - something > most > >> users will be spending their time in. For the record, I do not think > they > >> are even close to making it all work right now. They have invaded > >> power-user's/enterprise's space heavily and sacrificed it in an effort > to > >> appeal to the market they desperately need a foot in. Than again, PC's > have > >> been skipping every other version of windows forever now so how is this > >> anything new? > >> > >> And Gene, I agree he shouldn't be talking down to onyone based on what > OS > >> they are using... but Apple's dominance is in mobile world (in other > words, > >> iOS) and that's where their value comes from. Microsoft still owns the > >> largest chunk of desktop market so, technically, he is offending only a > >> small percentage of "just about everyone". > >> > >> > >> -Kiril > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Nicolas Burtnyk < > nico...@redshift3d.com> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling > >>>> market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. > >>>> Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in > >>>> three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract > >>>> gamblers. > >>> > >>> > >>> Actually Apple and Microsoft have almost identical PE ratios so their > >>> stock price vs. actual company performance (earnings) is almost > identical. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau < > luceri...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On T
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That's the gambling market.. money is made by speculating about how much one could sell the stock to someone else in the future. The way the stock market was supposed to work was that you bought shares in a company in order to own part of it and get dividends, proportional to your number of shares, from that company's revenue.In any case, it's not a reflection of how many people run windows vs macs, which is how this all started. :) On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Gene Crucean wrote: >> but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. > > > Actually... it's cheap because why would I dump money into a stock that > hasn't done jack sh** in 5 years, vs dumping money into a company that's > exploding. Proof: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/AppleVsMS.png > > ... but feel free to defend MS every time I post something about Apple. I'm > not really sure why you do that Luc. > > > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Kiril Aronofski > wrote: >> >> RE: desktops are doomed >> >> Don't forget all this mobile devices are consumerist in nature - someone >> will somehow still have to create the content for them to consume. Desktop >> sales are in decline as most people realize they can survive with a tablet >> and a phone. In my opinion Microsoft is trying to leverage both worlds by >> making this hybrid system where "a desktop" is a professional environment >> you can enter if you wish so, but "metro" is the frontend - something most >> users will be spending their time in. For the record, I do not think they >> are even close to making it all work right now. They have invaded >> power-user's/enterprise's space heavily and sacrificed it in an effort to >> appeal to the market they desperately need a foot in. Than again, PC's have >> been skipping every other version of windows forever now so how is this >> anything new? >> >> And Gene, I agree he shouldn't be talking down to onyone based on what OS >> they are using... but Apple's dominance is in mobile world (in other words, >> iOS) and that's where their value comes from. Microsoft still owns the >> largest chunk of desktop market so, technically, he is offending only a >> small percentage of "just about everyone". >> >> >> -Kiril >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Nicolas Burtnyk >> wrote: As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. >>> >>> >>> Actually Apple and Microsoft have almost identical PE ratios so their >>> stock price vs. actual company performance (earnings) is almost identical. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau >>> wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Gene Crucean wrote: >> "They're mac users after all." > > > You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days > right? > Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. > > http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1 > (check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since > 1999!!!) As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. But if we want to play that game, adjusted for inflation MS was at $853.7 billion in 1999. that number doesn't compare to apple's $623.5 billion valuation today, it went much higher. And meaninglessly so, because that's just a measure how much traders think other traders will buy the stock for. http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/28/maximizing-shareholder-value-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/ >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > Gene Crucean - Emmy winning - Oscar nominated VFX Supervisor / iOS-OSX > Developer / Filmmaker / Photographer > ** Freelance for hire ** > www.genecrucean.com > > ~~ Please use my website's contact form on www.genecrucean.com for any > personal emails. Thanks. I may not get them at this address. ~~ >
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> > but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. Actually... it's cheap because why would I dump money into a stock that hasn't done jack sh** in 5 years, vs dumping money into a company that's exploding. Proof: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/AppleVsMS.png ... but feel free to defend MS every time I post something about Apple. I'm not really sure why you do that Luc. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Kiril Aronofski wrote: > RE: desktops are doomed > > Don't forget all this mobile devices are consumerist in nature - someone > will somehow still have to create the content for them to consume. Desktop > sales are in decline as most people realize they can survive with a tablet > and a phone. In my opinion Microsoft is trying to leverage both worlds by > making this hybrid system where "a desktop" is a professional environment > you can enter if you wish so, but "metro" is the frontend - something most > users will be spending their time in. For the record, I do not think they > are even close to making it all work right now. They have invaded > power-user's/enterprise's space heavily and sacrificed it in an effort to > appeal to the market they desperately need a foot in. Than again, PC's have > been skipping every other version of windows forever now so how is this > anything new? > > And Gene, I agree he shouldn't be talking down to onyone based on what OS > they are using... but Apple's dominance is in mobile world (in other words, > iOS) and that's where their value comes from. Microsoft still owns the > largest chunk of desktop market so, technically, he is offending only a > small percentage of "just about everyone". > > > -Kiril > > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Nicolas Burtnyk > wrote: > >> As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling >>> market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. >>> Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in >>> three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract >>> gamblers. >> >> >> Actually Apple and Microsoft have almost identical PE ratios so their >> stock price vs. actual company performance (earnings) is almost identical. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Gene Crucean >>> wrote: >>> >> "They're mac users after all." >>> > >>> > >>> > You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? >>> > Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. >>> > >>> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1 >>> > (check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since >>> > 1999!!!) >>> >>> As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling >>> market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. >>> Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in >>> three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract >>> gamblers. >>> >>> But if we want to play that game, adjusted for inflation MS was at >>> $853.7 billion in 1999. that number doesn't compare to apple's >>> $623.5 billion valuation today, it went much higher. And >>> meaninglessly so, because that's just a measure how much traders think >>> other traders will buy the stock for. >>> >>> >>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/28/maximizing-shareholder-value-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/ >>> >> >> > -- Gene Crucean - Emmy winning - Oscar nominated VFX Supervisor / iOS-OSX Developer / Filmmaker / Photographer ** *Freelance for hire* ** www.genecrucean.com ~~ Please use my website's contact form on www.genecrucean.com for any personal emails. Thanks. I may not get them at this address. ~~
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The tablet comes with Photoshop Touch installed. I have the Galaxy Note phone, which ironically has the same screen resolution as the tablet. The apps are pretty nice but do take some getting used to. While the Note comes with a stylus, can be used to paint and other creative things, it's targeted towards a light business audience, not artistic (write memos, fill out forms, communicate on the go, etc...). Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Davidson Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:13 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? Nice that it has a pressure sensitive pen (Wacom) Like you said, the review is not great. And it's Android OS which does not support Photoshop. I don't know of any decent paint program for Android Thanks for trying, though. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Nic Groot Bluemink mailto:nicgrootbluem...@gmail.com>> wrote: There's the new Galaxy Note with a Wacom pen. Underwhelmed a bit in the review though- http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/15/3243546/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-review -Nic On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Davidson mailto:magic...@bellsouth.net>> wrote: Bottom line, for me, Windows 8 is fine to use on my tablet, but there is no reason to use it on my workstation, unless they force me to, by dropping support for Windows 7, like they will, for XP, on April 8th 2014. I have a laptop/tablet pc that I use for drawing (it has a Wacom pressure sensitive pen) that runs on XP, but won't run Windows 7. I guess it will have a limited life. It is a shame, because I can't find any new tablets that support pressure sensitive pens. Most new tablets run on Android, which looks like the model for Windows 8. Android is great for non-business devices, but that too is geared for tablets. I think what the problem is that there is no money in selling to the professional video and entertainment market. Look what Apple did with Final Cut Pro. They turned it into a home user product, and ignored the pro market completely. Maybe it is just a big hint, from the universe, for me to start a new career. ;) On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Andersson mailto:sander...@gmail.com>> wrote: Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the hood that I had no idea of what they were up to. Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last attempt which was with Vista. I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. regards stefan On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom mailto:andreas.byst...@gmail.com>> wrote: ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson mailto:sander...@gmail.com>> wrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already talking about Windows9. regards stefan On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau mailto:s...@shedmtl.com>> wrote: this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional market get's ignored!! i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! wtf is going on with these guys!? sly -- Sylva
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
RE: desktops are doomed Don't forget all this mobile devices are consumerist in nature - someone will somehow still have to create the content for them to consume. Desktop sales are in decline as most people realize they can survive with a tablet and a phone. In my opinion Microsoft is trying to leverage both worlds by making this hybrid system where "a desktop" is a professional environment you can enter if you wish so, but "metro" is the frontend - something most users will be spending their time in. For the record, I do not think they are even close to making it all work right now. They have invaded power-user's/enterprise's space heavily and sacrificed it in an effort to appeal to the market they desperately need a foot in. Than again, PC's have been skipping every other version of windows forever now so how is this anything new? And Gene, I agree he shouldn't be talking down to onyone based on what OS they are using... but Apple's dominance is in mobile world (in other words, iOS) and that's where their value comes from. Microsoft still owns the largest chunk of desktop market so, technically, he is offending only a small percentage of "just about everyone". -Kiril On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Nicolas Burtnyk wrote: > As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling >> market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. >> Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in >> three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract >> gamblers. > > > Actually Apple and Microsoft have almost identical PE ratios so their > stock price vs. actual company performance (earnings) is almost identical. > > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau > wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Gene Crucean >> wrote: >> >> "They're mac users after all." >> > >> > >> > You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? >> > Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. >> > >> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1 >> > (check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since >> > 1999!!!) >> >> As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling >> market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. >> Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in >> three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract >> gamblers. >> >> But if we want to play that game, adjusted for inflation MS was at >> $853.7 billion in 1999. that number doesn't compare to apple's >> $623.5 billion valuation today, it went much higher. And >> meaninglessly so, because that's just a measure how much traders think >> other traders will buy the stock for. >> >> >> http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/28/maximizing-shareholder-value-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/ >> > >
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
> > As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling > market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. > Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in > three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract > gamblers. Actually Apple and Microsoft have almost identical PE ratios so their stock price vs. actual company performance (earnings) is almost identical. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Gene Crucean > wrote: > >> "They're mac users after all." > > > > > > You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? > > Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. > > > http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1 > > (check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since > > 1999!!!) > > As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling > market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. > Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in > three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract > gamblers. > > But if we want to play that game, adjusted for inflation MS was at > $853.7 billion in 1999. that number doesn't compare to apple's > $623.5 billion valuation today, it went much higher. And > meaninglessly so, because that's just a measure how much traders think > other traders will buy the stock for. > > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/28/maximizing-shareholder-value-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/ >
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On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Gene Crucean wrote: >> "They're mac users after all." > > > You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? > Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. > http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1 > (check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since > 1999!!!) As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. But if we want to play that game, adjusted for inflation MS was at $853.7 billion in 1999. that number doesn't compare to apple's $623.5 billion valuation today, it went much higher. And meaninglessly so, because that's just a measure how much traders think other traders will buy the stock for. http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/28/maximizing-shareholder-value-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
Sorry I forgot to reply to Paul. Win7 is by far the best version of windows I've used in a long time. To me, it sounds like you just need to re-install that badboy. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Gene Crucean wrote: > "They're mac users after all." > > > You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? > Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. > http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1(check > the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since > 1999!!!) > > Welcome to life after MicroSoft. > > > I would love one that would stop the computer from asking me if I want to >> use an external drive for time machine every time I plug a drive > > > A program to do what a simple system option can do? > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/time_machine_option.png > > > > and also stop it from wanting to open every freaking window and program >> I had open every time I reboot the computer. > > > Again... system option. And I agree about this one... annoying as hell. > They switched it off by default in the latest OS version. > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/restore_windows_option.png > > > > What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you >> real professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. > > > Video is one area in which you do not want to take this discussion :) > 3D would be a better option... which honestly is even getting pretty good > now. I only say this because we're posting this on the SOFTIMAGE list. > Gr. > > > I also agree with Stefan. Until you educate yourself on the matter, it's > probably best to steer clear of it as a whole. > > > Take care > > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Sam Bowling wrote: > > What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you real > > professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. Also there > are a > > ton of free programs for synchronizing your drives on windows and I > couldn't > > find any for OSX that didn't cost money. BTW, I'm talking about Mac > > programs, not unix programs. The people I work with would be completely > lost > > if they had to do anything in a terminal. They're mac users after all. > > > > Oh, there was one free program that I found useful. I can't think of the > > name at the moment, but it allows me to search drives that have not been > > indexed yet, and use wildcards (2 things that should have been built into > > the OS IMO). I would love one that would stop the computer from asking > me if > > I want to use an external drive for time machine every time I plug a > drive > > in and also stop it from wanting to open every freaking window and > program I > > had open every time I reboot the computer. But apparently Apple seems to > > think we want to open all the same programs and windows every time we > > restart the computer. > > > > As far as how much I know about macs, I know that every time I've > searched > > for a utility to help out with a job it either costs us money (and my > boss > > does not like to part with money) or has to be done on a windows box. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- From: Gene Crucean > > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 1:04 PM > > > > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > > Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? > > > > What? hehe. Is that whole $0.99 gonna break the bank for ya? Don't you > > think all those hard working developers deserve a little money for > > what they do for YOU? > > > > Regarding everything costing money: That's a complete load of crap > > btw. There are TONSSS of free and open source apps/tools available for > > OSX. There are even full blown package managers like yum/apt-get for > > osx... just like linux. > > > > I respect your opinion... but to me, it just says a lot about how > > little you know about the platform. It's HOT right now for development > > and there are zillions of apps made for it every day. Well maybe not > > "zillions" but there are a lot. ;) > > > > -- > Gene Crucean - Emmy winning - Oscar nominated VFX Supervisor / iOS-OSX > Developer / Filmmaker / Photographer > ** Freelance for hire ** > www.genecrucean.com > > ~~ Please use my website's contact form on www.genecrucean.com for any > personal emails. Thanks. I may not get them at this address. ~~ > -- Gene Crucean - Emmy winning - Oscar nominated VFX Supervisor / iOS-OSX Developer / Filmmaker / Photographer ** *Freelance for hire* ** www.genecrucean.com ~~ Please use my website's contact form on www.genecrucean.com for any personal emails. Thanks. I may not get them at this address. ~~
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> > "They're mac users after all." You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1(check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since 1999!!!) Welcome to life after MicroSoft. I would love one that would stop the computer from asking me if I want to > use an external drive for time machine every time I plug a drive A program to do what a simple system option can do? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/time_machine_option.png and also stop it from wanting to open every freaking window and program > I had open every time I reboot the computer. Again... system option. And I agree about this one... annoying as hell. They switched it off by default in the latest OS version. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/restore_windows_option.png What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you > real professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. Video is one area in which you do not want to take this discussion :) 3D would be a better option... which honestly is even getting pretty good now. I only say this because we're posting this on the SOFTIMAGE list. Gr. I also agree with Stefan. Until you educate yourself on the matter, it's probably best to steer clear of it as a whole. Take care On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Sam Bowling wrote: > What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you real > professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. Also there are a > ton of free programs for synchronizing your drives on windows and I couldn't > find any for OSX that didn't cost money. BTW, I'm talking about Mac > programs, not unix programs. The people I work with would be completely lost > if they had to do anything in a terminal. They're mac users after all. > > Oh, there was one free program that I found useful. I can't think of the > name at the moment, but it allows me to search drives that have not been > indexed yet, and use wildcards (2 things that should have been built into > the OS IMO). I would love one that would stop the computer from asking me if > I want to use an external drive for time machine every time I plug a drive > in and also stop it from wanting to open every freaking window and program I > had open every time I reboot the computer. But apparently Apple seems to > think we want to open all the same programs and windows every time we > restart the computer. > > As far as how much I know about macs, I know that every time I've searched > for a utility to help out with a job it either costs us money (and my boss > does not like to part with money) or has to be done on a windows box. > > > > -Original Message- From: Gene Crucean > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 1:04 PM > > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? > > What? hehe. Is that whole $0.99 gonna break the bank for ya? Don't you > think all those hard working developers deserve a little money for > what they do for YOU? > > Regarding everything costing money: That's a complete load of crap > btw. There are TONSSS of free and open source apps/tools available for > OSX. There are even full blown package managers like yum/apt-get for > osx... just like linux. > > I respect your opinion... but to me, it just says a lot about how > little you know about the platform. It's HOT right now for development > and there are zillions of apps made for it every day. Well maybe not > "zillions" but there are a lot. ;) > -- Gene Crucean - Emmy winning - Oscar nominated VFX Supervisor / iOS-OSX Developer / Filmmaker / Photographer ** Freelance for hire ** www.genecrucean.com ~~ Please use my website's contact form on www.genecrucean.com for any personal emails. Thanks. I may not get them at this address. ~~
RE: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
You need to disable Face Robot. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Paul Griswold Sent: August-21-12 12:44 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? Well, for grins and giggles I installed Windows 8 RTM on my laptop. Softimage 2013 SP1 runs ok from what I can see. There's some interface weirdness, such as the top menu bar is pure white and "Softimage 2013...etc etc." is centered at the top of the screen instead of on the left. I loaded a FaceRobot demo scene & it seemed fine - then I loaded a CrowdFX demo & it too was ok. But I then noticed no matter how many times I reset my layout to Default, when I opened another scene it went back to the FaceRobot layout. Anyway, in my very limited test it seemed to be ok. I probably won't chance it with my main machine for a while though. -Paul <>
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Well, for grins and giggles I installed Windows 8 RTM on my laptop. Softimage 2013 SP1 runs ok from what I can see. There's some interface weirdness, such as the top menu bar is pure white and "Softimage 2013...etc etc." is centered at the top of the screen instead of on the left. I loaded a FaceRobot demo scene & it seemed fine - then I loaded a CrowdFX demo & it too was ok. But I then noticed no matter how many times I reset my layout to Default, when I opened another scene it went back to the FaceRobot layout. Anyway, in my very limited test it seemed to be ok. I probably won't chance it with my main machine for a while though. -Paul
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
uot;. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so >>>>>>> far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the >>>>>>> system. >>>>>>> Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day >>>>>>> alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes >>>>>>> over.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to >>>>>>> come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be >>>>>>> terrible, I'm staying with win forever" yet those same people >>>>>>> somehow >>>>>>> upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson < >>>>>>> sander...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards >>>>>>>> tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the >>>>>>>> developers themselves stand it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On a side note. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with >>>>>>>> crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've >>>>>>>> installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really >>>>>>>> impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage >>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>> a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are >>>>>>>> already talking about Windows9. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>> stefan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the >>>>>>>>> mac pros... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all >>>>>>>>> professional market get's ignored!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! >>>>>>>>> wtf is going on with these guys!? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> sly >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED** >>>>>>>>> *V-P/Visual effects supervisor >>>>>>>>> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 >>>>>>>>> T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 >>>>>>>>> WWW.SHEDMTL.COM<http://www.shedmtl.com/>< >>>>>>>>> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Paul Griswold >>>>>>>>> Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM >>>>>>>>> My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. >>>>>>>>> Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if >>>>>>>>> anyone had >>>>>>>>> tested it out yet? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro >>>>>>>>> interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage >>>>>>>>> will run >>>>>>>>> under it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine & start over >>>>>>>>> anyway. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Andreas Byström >>>>>>> Lighting TD - Weta Digital >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > <>
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
You can try out the RTM version now and see if it works for you, and the software you use. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/evalcenter/jj554510.aspx This will get you a 90 day evaluation copy of Windows 8 Enterprise, unfortunately, there's no option to purchase a serial number after Win8 launches to continue using; but as a trial it's fairly good. I installed this last nite as a VM on Win7 to play with the final code. I have to say, after just a few minutes of playing around I began to hate it much less than I did during either the developer or consumer preview releases. Not entirely sure I'll upgrade on day one, but from what I read the upgrade price tag will be $40 - cheap enough to pick up and not worry about really. Impressions after a few hours of playing on a VM - Win8 seems snappier than Win7, of course this is very likely due to the fact that it's a fresh Win8 install, compared to an existing Win7 install running av/firewall, backup software, etc in the background. The Start screen compared to Start button will take some getting used to - not sure that's the best approach for a desktop atm. In that vein, full screen Metro-style (or whatever it's supposed to be called now) also feel out of place on a desktop; some, like the weather app are pretty looking - but I'm the user that has many windows open at a time, in Desktop that's fine and normal as it is now, however in the Start Screen you need to move your mouse to the top left of the screen to see what's running so you can either close it, or switch back to it. Of course, you can also just click on a tile, if the program is already running, you'll be brought back to the screen you "tabbed out" on. My prediction is that Win8 won't be overly well received by business or pro-users for some time after release, if at all. Business/corporate likely won't even consider their next Windows upgrade until Win9. Home enthusiasts may pick up the upgrade for $40 just because it's relatively inexpensive. Tablets like the Surface will probably do quite well for those who wish to run their usual software on a tablet (provided they use the Intel version; the ARM version will only run Metro-style apps and be more like an iPad than a traditional computer). Odds are Win7 will become the next XP, until such time as people "get used" to a start screen over a start button, or Microsoft allows people to go back to a more traditional UI. As for the Windows vs Mac vs Linux thing ... it's a holy war. None are perfect, they all suck in their own special way, down off your high horse of superiority, and Coke is always better than Pepsi. There, I said it, now we begin the beverage wars! On 8/21/2012 7:33 AM, Szabolcs Matefy wrote: So, the question is if I move to Windows 8, Softimage will perform well? *From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Martin Chatterjee *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:06 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? Dan, cool - have you actually done any production work on this install? Does opening/saving/merging scenes work for you? And can you read/write icecaches? I personally haven't spent any time trying to get it to work because I've read all these reports about these show stopper type problems regarding Softimage on Ubuntu... Cheers, Martin -- Martin Chatterjee [ Freelance Technical Director ] [ http://www.chatterjee.de <http://www.chatterjee.de/> ] [ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ] On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Dan Yargici <mailto:danyarg...@gmail.com>> wrote: I've made Soft work on 12.04, but if you were to now ask me how the bottom line is that if you go through all the Linux related posts on Stephen's blog you'll get it running totally fine in the end. As an aside, I have to say that I love Gnome Shell (just called Gnome now in 12.04). Unity sucks utter balls IMO but Gnome Shell feels quite nice. DAN On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Stefan Andersson <mailto:sander...@gmail.com>> wrote: Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the hood that I had no idea of what they were up to. Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last attempt which was with Vista. I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. regards stefan On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Hmmm. Nope, seems I have those exact same issues! Even the batch issue that Patrick mentions in the last thread. Sorry for creating the false hope! :/ DAN On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Martin Chatterjee < martin.chatterjee.li...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi Dan, > > awesome, thanks! :-) > > I just dug out the old thread I vaguely remembered - if you want you can check > it out > here.<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/xsi_list/ubuntu$20segfault/xsi_list/OgyvRv4X22w/yQOE9qb5UxsJ> > > That was a year ago on Ubuntu 11.04 - keeping my fingers crossed that the > issue is solved in 12.04! :-) > > Cheers, Martin > -- >Martin Chatterjee > > [ Freelance Technical Director ] > [ http://www.chatterjee.de ] > [ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ] > > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Dan Yargici wrote: > >> Hi Martin, >> >> No production work no. Opening and Saving definitely worked! I don't >> recall having had to merge and I wasn't doing any caching with ICE (but I >> was using ICE extensively)... >> >> I didn't encounter any issues at all and it seemed very stable to me. >> I've used 2011 and 2013 with Ubuntu 12.04. >> >> I'll try to test the ICE caching for you... >> >> DAN >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Martin Chatterjee < >> martin.chatterjee.li...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dan, >>> >>> cool - have you actually done any production work on this install? >>> >>> Does opening/saving/merging scenes work for you? And can you read/write >>> icecaches? >>> >>> I personally haven't spent any time trying to get it to work because >>> I've read all these reports about these show stopper type problems >>> regarding Softimage on Ubuntu... >>> >>> Cheers, Martin >>> >>> -- >>>Martin Chatterjee >>> >>> [ Freelance Technical Director ] >>> [ http://www.chatterjee.de ] >>> [ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ] >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Dan Yargici wrote: >>> >>>> I've made Soft work on 12.04, but if you were to now ask me how the >>>> bottom line is that if you go through all the Linux related posts on >>>> Stephen's blog you'll get it running totally fine in the end. >>>> >>>> As an aside, I have to say that I love Gnome Shell (just called Gnome >>>> now in 12.04). Unity sucks utter balls IMO but Gnome Shell feels quite >>>> nice. >>>> >>>> DAN >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Stefan Andersson >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux >>>>> now. Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run >>>>> Softimage, but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. >>>>> It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the >>>>> hood that I had no idea of what they were up to. >>>>> Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no >>>>> apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without >>>>> a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last >>>>> attempt which was with Vista. >>>>> >>>>> I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> stefan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom < >>>>> andreas.byst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so >>>>>> far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. >>>>>> Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." >>>>>> >>>>>> hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day >>>>>> alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes >>>>>> over.. >>>>>> >>>>>> on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to >>>>>> come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "th
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Hi Dan, awesome, thanks! :-) I just dug out the old thread I vaguely remembered - if you want you can check it out here.<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/xsi_list/ubuntu$20segfault/xsi_list/OgyvRv4X22w/yQOE9qb5UxsJ> That was a year ago on Ubuntu 11.04 - keeping my fingers crossed that the issue is solved in 12.04! :-) Cheers, Martin -- Martin Chatterjee [ Freelance Technical Director ] [ http://www.chatterjee.de ] [ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ] On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Dan Yargici wrote: > Hi Martin, > > No production work no. Opening and Saving definitely worked! I don't > recall having had to merge and I wasn't doing any caching with ICE (but I > was using ICE extensively)... > > I didn't encounter any issues at all and it seemed very stable to me. > I've used 2011 and 2013 with Ubuntu 12.04. > > I'll try to test the ICE caching for you... > > DAN > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Martin Chatterjee < > martin.chatterjee.li...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Dan, >> >> cool - have you actually done any production work on this install? >> >> Does opening/saving/merging scenes work for you? And can you read/write >> icecaches? >> >> I personally haven't spent any time trying to get it to work because I've >> read all these reports about these show stopper type problems regarding >> Softimage on Ubuntu... >> >> Cheers, Martin >> >> -- >>Martin Chatterjee >> >> [ Freelance Technical Director ] >> [ http://www.chatterjee.de ] >> [ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ] >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Dan Yargici wrote: >> >>> I've made Soft work on 12.04, but if you were to now ask me how the >>> bottom line is that if you go through all the Linux related posts on >>> Stephen's blog you'll get it running totally fine in the end. >>> >>> As an aside, I have to say that I love Gnome Shell (just called Gnome >>> now in 12.04). Unity sucks utter balls IMO but Gnome Shell feels quite >>> nice. >>> >>> DAN >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Stefan Andersson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux >>>> now. Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run >>>> Softimage, but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. >>>> It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the >>>> hood that I had no idea of what they were up to. >>>> Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no >>>> apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without >>>> a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last >>>> attempt which was with Vista. >>>> >>>> I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> stefan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom < >>>> andreas.byst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far >>>>> I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. >>>>> Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." >>>>> >>>>> hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day >>>>> alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes >>>>> over.. >>>>> >>>>> on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to >>>>> come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be >>>>> terrible, I'm staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow >>>>> upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards >>>>>> tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the >>>>>> developers themselves stand it? >>>>>> >>>&
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Hi Martin, No production work no. Opening and Saving definitely worked! I don't recall having had to merge and I wasn't doing any caching with ICE (but I was using ICE extensively)... I didn't encounter any issues at all and it seemed very stable to me. I've used 2011 and 2013 with Ubuntu 12.04. I'll try to test the ICE caching for you... DAN On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Martin Chatterjee < martin.chatterjee.li...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Dan, > > cool - have you actually done any production work on this install? > > Does opening/saving/merging scenes work for you? And can you read/write > icecaches? > > I personally haven't spent any time trying to get it to work because I've > read all these reports about these show stopper type problems regarding > Softimage on Ubuntu... > > Cheers, Martin > > -- >Martin Chatterjee > > [ Freelance Technical Director ] > [ http://www.chatterjee.de ] > [ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ] > > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Dan Yargici wrote: > >> I've made Soft work on 12.04, but if you were to now ask me how the >> bottom line is that if you go through all the Linux related posts on >> Stephen's blog you'll get it running totally fine in the end. >> >> As an aside, I have to say that I love Gnome Shell (just called Gnome now >> in 12.04). Unity sucks utter balls IMO but Gnome Shell feels quite nice. >> >> DAN >> >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: >> >>> Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. >>> Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, >>> but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. >>> It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the >>> hood that I had no idea of what they were up to. >>> Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no >>> apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without >>> a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last >>> attempt which was with Vista. >>> >>> I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. >>> >>> regards >>> stefan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom < >>> andreas.byst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far >>>> I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. >>>> Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." >>>> >>>> hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day >>>> alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes >>>> over.. >>>> >>>> on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to >>>> come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be >>>> terrible, I'm staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow >>>> upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards >>>>> tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the >>>>> developers themselves stand it? >>>>> >>>>> On a side note. >>>>> >>>>> I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy >>>>> wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed >>>>> Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with >>>>> the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother >>>>> on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. >>>>> >>>>> And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are >>>>> already talking about Windows9. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> stefan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: >>>>> >>>>>&g
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
Well... I came off a little harsh there. My apologizes, it was not intended to be that harsh. *stefan goes off and hides under a rock* I hope no one (especially Sam) wasn't offended, it was never my intention. best regards stefan andersson On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Stefan Andersson wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Sam Bowling wrote: > >> What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you real >> professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. Also there are a >> ton of free programs for synchronizing your drives on windows and I >> couldn't find any for OSX that didn't cost money. BTW, I'm talking about >> Mac programs, not unix programs. The people I work with would be completely >> lost if they had to do anything in a terminal. They're mac users after all. >> > > I'm just... I... I don't know where to start. I... > > Please don't ever make another comment about OSX users and OSX. If you do > that I will promise to never post anything regarding Windows. Deal? > > best regards > stefan > > > > -- > stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com > -- stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Thought the biggest question should be: Would Windows 8 operate well with every other software? ;) Chris On 21 Aug, 2012, at 7:33 PM, "Szabolcs Matefy" mailto:szabol...@crytek.com>> wrote: So, the question is if I move to Windows 8, Softimage will perform well? From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Martin Chatterjee Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:06 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? Dan, cool - have you actually done any production work on this install? Does opening/saving/merging scenes work for you? And can you read/write icecaches? I personally haven't spent any time trying to get it to work because I've read all these reports about these show stopper type problems regarding Softimage on Ubuntu... Cheers, Martin -- Martin Chatterjee [ Freelance Technical Director ] [ http://www.chatterjee.de<http://www.chatterjee.de/> ] [ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ] On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Dan Yargici mailto:danyarg...@gmail.com>> wrote: I've made Soft work on 12.04, but if you were to now ask me how the bottom line is that if you go through all the Linux related posts on Stephen's blog you'll get it running totally fine in the end. As an aside, I have to say that I love Gnome Shell (just called Gnome now in 12.04). Unity sucks utter balls IMO but Gnome Shell feels quite nice. DAN On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Stefan Andersson mailto:sander...@gmail.com>> wrote: Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the hood that I had no idea of what they were up to. Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last attempt which was with Vista. I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. regards stefan On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom mailto:andreas.byst...@gmail.com>> wrote: ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson mailto:sander...@gmail.com>> wrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already talking about Windows9. regards stefan On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau mailto:s...@shedmtl.com>> wrote: this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional market get's ignored!! i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! wtf is going on with these guys!? sly -- Sylvain Lebeau // SHED V-P/Visual effects supervisor 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM<http://www.shedmtl.com/> <http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM<http://www.shedmtl.com/>> Paul Griswold<mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if S
RE: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
So, the question is if I move to Windows 8, Softimage will perform well? From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Martin Chatterjee Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:06 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? Dan, cool - have you actually done any production work on this install? Does opening/saving/merging scenes work for you? And can you read/write icecaches? I personally haven't spent any time trying to get it to work because I've read all these reports about these show stopper type problems regarding Softimage on Ubuntu... Cheers, Martin -- Martin Chatterjee [ Freelance Technical Director ] [ http://www.chatterjee.de <http://www.chatterjee.de/>] [ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee <https://vimeo.com/chatterjee> ] On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Dan Yargici wrote: I've made Soft work on 12.04, but if you were to now ask me how the bottom line is that if you go through all the Linux related posts on Stephen's blog you'll get it running totally fine in the end. As an aside, I have to say that I love Gnome Shell (just called Gnome now in 12.04). Unity sucks utter balls IMO but Gnome Shell feels quite nice. DAN On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the hood that I had no idea of what they were up to. Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last attempt which was with Vista. I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. regards stefan On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom wrote: ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already talking about Windows9. regards stefan On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional market get's ignored!! i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! wtf is going on with these guys!? sly -- Sylvain Lebeau // SHED V-P/Visual effects supervisor 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/> <http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/> > Paul Griswold <mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine & start over anyway. Thanks, Paul -- stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com -- Andreas Byström Lighting TD - Weta Digital -- stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com <>
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Dan, cool - have you actually done any production work on this install? Does opening/saving/merging scenes work for you? And can you read/write icecaches? I personally haven't spent any time trying to get it to work because I've read all these reports about these show stopper type problems regarding Softimage on Ubuntu... Cheers, Martin -- Martin Chatterjee [ Freelance Technical Director ] [ http://www.chatterjee.de ] [ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ] On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Dan Yargici wrote: > I've made Soft work on 12.04, but if you were to now ask me how the > bottom line is that if you go through all the Linux related posts on > Stephen's blog you'll get it running totally fine in the end. > > As an aside, I have to say that I love Gnome Shell (just called Gnome now > in 12.04). Unity sucks utter balls IMO but Gnome Shell feels quite nice. > > DAN > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: > >> Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. >> Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, >> but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. >> It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the >> hood that I had no idea of what they were up to. >> Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no >> apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without >> a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last >> attempt which was with Vista. >> >> I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. >> >> regards >> stefan >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom < >> andreas.byst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far >>> I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. >>> Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." >>> >>> hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan >>> jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. >>> >>> on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come >>> out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm >>> staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded >>> throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards >>>> tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the >>>> developers themselves stand it? >>>> >>>> On a side note. >>>> >>>> I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy >>>> wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed >>>> Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with >>>> the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother >>>> on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. >>>> >>>> Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. >>>> >>>> And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already >>>> talking about Windows9. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> stefan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: >>>> >>>>> this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac >>>>> pros... >>>>> >>>>> Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all >>>>> professional market get's ignored!! >>>>> >>>>> i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! >>>>> wtf is going on with these guys!? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> sly >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED** >>>>> *V-P/Visual effects supervisor >>>>> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 >>>>> T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM<http://www.shedmtl.com/>< >>>>> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Paul Griswold >>>>> Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM >>>>> My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. >>>>> Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone >>>>> had >>>>> tested it out yet? >>>>> >>>>> I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, >>>>> but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. >>>>> >>>>> I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine & start over anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Andreas Byström >>> Lighting TD - Weta Digital >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com >> > > <>
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
I've made Soft work on 12.04, but if you were to now ask me how the bottom line is that if you go through all the Linux related posts on Stephen's blog you'll get it running totally fine in the end. As an aside, I have to say that I love Gnome Shell (just called Gnome now in 12.04). Unity sucks utter balls IMO but Gnome Shell feels quite nice. DAN On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: > Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. > Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, > but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. > It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the hood > that I had no idea of what they were up to. > Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no > apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without > a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last > attempt which was with Vista. > > I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. > > regards > stefan > > > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom < > andreas.byst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far >> I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. >> Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." >> >> hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan >> jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. >> >> on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come >> out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm >> staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded >> throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: >> >>> It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet >>> use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand >>> it? >>> >>> On a side note. >>> >>> I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy >>> wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed >>> Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with >>> the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother >>> on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. >>> >>> Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. >>> >>> And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already >>> talking about Windows9. >>> >>> regards >>> stefan >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: >>> >>>> this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac >>>> pros... >>>> >>>> Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all >>>> professional market get's ignored!! >>>> >>>> i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! >>>> wtf is going on with these guys!? >>>> >>>> >>>> sly >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED** >>>> *V-P/Visual effects supervisor >>>> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 >>>> T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/>< >>>> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul Griswold >>>> Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM >>>> My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. >>>> Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had >>>> tested it out yet? >>>> >>>> I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, >>>> but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. >>>> >>>> I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine & start over anyway. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Andreas Byström >> Lighting TD - Weta Digital >> >> > > > -- > stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com > <>
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
Wow, my simple question on Windows 8 took quite an interesting turn... For the time being I think I'll keep trying to figure out why Windows 7 is so crash-prone on my main system & perhaps do a fresh install. Thanks for the lively discussion guys. Paul
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Sam Bowling wrote: > What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you real > professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. Also there are a > ton of free programs for synchronizing your drives on windows and I > couldn't find any for OSX that didn't cost money. BTW, I'm talking about > Mac programs, not unix programs. The people I work with would be completely > lost if they had to do anything in a terminal. They're mac users after all. > I'm just... I... I don't know where to start. I... Please don't ever make another comment about OSX users and OSX. If you do that I will promise to never post anything regarding Windows. Deal? best regards stefan -- stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Nice that it has a pressure sensitive pen (Wacom) Like you said, the review is not great. And it's Android OS which does not support Photoshop. I don't know of any decent paint program for Android Thanks for trying, though. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Nic Groot Bluemink < nicgrootbluem...@gmail.com> wrote: > There's the new Galaxy Note with a Wacom pen. Underwhelmed a bit in the > review though- > http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/15/3243546/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-review > > -Nic > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Davidson > wrote: > >> Bottom line, for me, Windows 8 is fine to use on my tablet, but >> there is no reason to use it on my workstation, unless they force me to, >> by dropping support for Windows 7, like they will, for XP, on April 8th >> 2014. >> >> I have a laptop/tablet pc that I use for drawing (it has a Wacom >> pressure sensitive pen) >> that runs on XP, but won't run Windows 7. I guess it will have a limited >> life. >> It is a shame, because I can't find any new tablets that support pressure >> sensitive pens. Most new tablets run on Android, which looks like the >> model >> for Windows 8. Android is great for non-business devices, but that too is >> geared for tablets. >> >> I think what the problem is that there is no money in selling to the >> professional >> video and entertainment market. Look what Apple did with Final Cut Pro. >> They turned it into a home user product, and ignored the pro market >> completely. >> >> Maybe it is just a big hint, from the universe, for me to start a new >> career. ;) >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Andersson wrote: >> >>> Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. >>> Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, >>> but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. >>> It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the >>> hood that I had no idea of what they were up to. >>> Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no >>> apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without >>> a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last >>> attempt which was with Vista. >>> >>> I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. >>> >>> regards >>> stefan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom < >>> andreas.byst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far >>>> I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. >>>> Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." >>>> >>>> hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day >>>> alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes >>>> over.. >>>> >>>> on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to >>>> come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be >>>> terrible, I'm staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow >>>> upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards >>>>> tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the >>>>> developers themselves stand it? >>>>> >>>>> On a side note. >>>>> >>>>> I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy >>>>> wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed >>>>> Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with >>>>> the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother >>>>> on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. >>>>> >>>>> And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are >>>>> already talking about Windows9. >
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
There's the new Galaxy Note with a Wacom pen. Underwhelmed a bit in the review though- http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/15/3243546/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-review -Nic On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Davidson wrote: > Bottom line, for me, Windows 8 is fine to use on my tablet, but > there is no reason to use it on my workstation, unless they force me to, > by dropping support for Windows 7, like they will, for XP, on April 8th > 2014. > > I have a laptop/tablet pc that I use for drawing (it has a Wacom > pressure sensitive pen) > that runs on XP, but won't run Windows 7. I guess it will have a limited > life. > It is a shame, because I can't find any new tablets that support pressure > sensitive pens. Most new tablets run on Android, which looks like the model > for Windows 8. Android is great for non-business devices, but that too is > geared for tablets. > > I think what the problem is that there is no money in selling to the > professional > video and entertainment market. Look what Apple did with Final Cut Pro. > They turned it into a home user product, and ignored the pro market > completely. > > Maybe it is just a big hint, from the universe, for me to start a new > career. ;) > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Andersson wrote: > >> Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. >> Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, >> but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. >> It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the >> hood that I had no idea of what they were up to. >> Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no >> apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without >> a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last >> attempt which was with Vista. >> >> I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. >> >> regards >> stefan >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom < >> andreas.byst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far >>> I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. >>> Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." >>> >>> hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan >>> jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. >>> >>> on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come >>> out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm >>> staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded >>> throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards >>>> tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the >>>> developers themselves stand it? >>>> >>>> On a side note. >>>> >>>> I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy >>>> wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed >>>> Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with >>>> the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother >>>> on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. >>>> >>>> Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. >>>> >>>> And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already >>>> talking about Windows9. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> stefan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: >>>> >>>>> this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac >>>>> pros... >>>>> >>>>> Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all >>>>> professional market get's ignored!! >>>>> >>>>> i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! >>>>> wtf is going on with these guys!? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> sly >>>>> >>>>>
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you real professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. Also there are a ton of free programs for synchronizing your drives on windows and I couldn't find any for OSX that didn't cost money. BTW, I'm talking about Mac programs, not unix programs. The people I work with would be completely lost if they had to do anything in a terminal. They're mac users after all. Oh, there was one free program that I found useful. I can't think of the name at the moment, but it allows me to search drives that have not been indexed yet, and use wildcards (2 things that should have been built into the OS IMO). I would love one that would stop the computer from asking me if I want to use an external drive for time machine every time I plug a drive in and also stop it from wanting to open every freaking window and program I had open every time I reboot the computer. But apparently Apple seems to think we want to open all the same programs and windows every time we restart the computer. As far as how much I know about macs, I know that every time I've searched for a utility to help out with a job it either costs us money (and my boss does not like to part with money) or has to be done on a windows box. -Original Message- From: Gene Crucean Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 1:04 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? What? hehe. Is that whole $0.99 gonna break the bank for ya? Don't you think all those hard working developers deserve a little money for what they do for YOU? Regarding everything costing money: That's a complete load of crap btw. There are TONSSS of free and open source apps/tools available for OSX. There are even full blown package managers like yum/apt-get for osx... just like linux. I respect your opinion... but to me, it just says a lot about how little you know about the platform. It's HOT right now for development and there are zillions of apps made for it every day. Well maybe not "zillions" but there are a lot. ;) On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Sam Bowling wrote: One of the big surprises when I started working at this company that uses a lot of macs was the complete lack of free utilities available on a mac. You can get almost any kind of converter/utility for windows for free, but EVERYTHING on a mac will cost you money and most of them don’t even have demo versions so you can see if it even work. Hopefully they will continue to allow people to downgrade to earlier versions of windows, but with the way they are pushing their cell phone OS they probably won’t allow it on this version. From: Martin yara Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:53 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? We gained stability directx and some other things with winXP so it was a good change from win98 and 2000. It felt like a 98 and 2000 mixed and with the SPs blue screens were pretty rare. XP 64 and Vista never felt like a finished product so Win7 64 was a huge change for designers. 2 or 3Gb per application was just not enough. This time, I just don't see any reason to upgrade. Not yet at least. It seems that the upgrade price will be quite cheap so it may be worth to give it a try, specially if there is a no Metro GUI option. Linux and OSX are quite limited in software and plugins library so I don't think they are a valid option for a designer / generalist. M.Yara On 2012/08/19, at 8:22, Andreas Bystrom wrote: "You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t)." ofcourse, there are still people using win2k/nt even. also i did not forget vista, i ran it myself for years and was quite happy with it, win7 is better but overall vista wasn't that terrible either. also having used Linux for almost 2 years at work I've realized you can get used to and be quite happy with anything, its just a matter of using it long enough really, even though I still would never bother using linux at home.. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Sam Bowling wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). From: Andreas Bystrom Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly fr
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
What? hehe. Is that whole $0.99 gonna break the bank for ya? Don't you think all those hard working developers deserve a little money for what they do for YOU? Regarding everything costing money: That's a complete load of crap btw. There are TONSSS of free and open source apps/tools available for OSX. There are even full blown package managers like yum/apt-get for osx... just like linux. I respect your opinion... but to me, it just says a lot about how little you know about the platform. It's HOT right now for development and there are zillions of apps made for it every day. Well maybe not "zillions" but there are a lot. ;) On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Sam Bowling wrote: > One of the big surprises when I started working at this company that uses a > lot of macs was the complete lack of free utilities available on a mac. You > can get almost any kind of converter/utility for windows for free, but > EVERYTHING on a mac will cost you money and most of them don’t even have > demo versions so you can see if it even work. Hopefully they will continue > to allow people to downgrade to earlier versions of windows, but with the > way they are pushing their cell phone OS they probably won’t allow it on > this version. > > > > From: Martin yara > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:53 PM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? > > We gained stability directx and some other things with winXP so it was a > good change from win98 and 2000. It felt like a 98 and 2000 mixed and with > the SPs blue screens were pretty rare. > XP 64 and Vista never felt like a finished product so Win7 64 was a huge > change for designers. 2 or 3Gb per application was just not enough. > This time, I just don't see any reason to upgrade. Not yet at least. It > seems that the upgrade price will be quite cheap so it may be worth to give > it a try, specially if there is a no Metro GUI option. > > Linux and OSX are quite limited in software and plugins library so I don't > think they are a valid option for a designer / generalist. > > M.Yara > > On 2012/08/19, at 8:22, Andreas Bystrom wrote: > > "You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running > windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually > liked, but most other people didn’t)." > > ofcourse, there are still people using win2k/nt even. > > also i did not forget vista, i ran it myself for years and was quite happy > with it, win7 is better but overall vista wasn't that terrible either. > > also having used Linux for almost 2 years at work I've realized you can get > used to and be quite happy with anything, its just a matter of using it long > enough really, even though I still would never bother using linux at home.. > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Sam Bowling wrote: >> >> You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running >> windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually >> liked, but most other people didn’t). >> >> From: Andreas Bystrom >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM >> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? >> >> ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm >> really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage >> works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." >> >> hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan >> jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. >> >> on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come >> out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm >> staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded >> throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson >> wrote: >>> >>> It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet >>> use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand >>> it? >>> >>> On a side note. >>> >>> I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy >>> wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed >>> Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the >>> speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on >>> Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. >>>
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
I liked Vista a lot too. If you disable some of the very stupid web oriented crap it outperforms Win7 by a good margin. I have 2 identical machines, 1 on Win7 and one on Vista and main programs such as SI, PS, Avid MC all open in half the time and run better overall and Aero works smoother. And the best thing is I can still hide the taskbar in Vista. On Win7 it's like a F*ing virus that you can't get rid of. Long live Vista. It was a real WS OS before the toys took over. On 8/18/2012 3:42 PM, Sam Bowling wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). -- _ Len Krenzler - Creative Control Media Productions Phone: 780.463.3126 www.creativecontrol.ca - l...@creativecontrol.ca
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
NO. On 8/18/2012 12:44 PM, David Gallagher wrote: Mobile is so overrated. Does anyone actually get anything done on a mobile device? -- _ Len Krenzler - Creative Control Media Productions Phone: 780.463.3126 www.creativecontrol.ca - l...@creativecontrol.ca
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Asus EP121?
Rob
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On 20-8-2012 20:11, Eugen Sares wrote:
Am 20.08.2012 19:56, schrieb Stephen
Davidson:
Bottom line, for me, Windows 8 is fine to use on my
tablet, but
there is no reason to use it on my workstation, unless they
force me to,
by dropping support for Windows 7, like they will, for XP,
on April 8th 2014.
I have a laptop/tablet pc that I use for drawing (it has a
Wacom pressure sensitive pen)
that runs on XP, but won't run Windows 7. I guess it will
have a limited life.
It is a shame, because I can't find any new tablets that
support pressure
sensitive pens. Most new tablets run on Android, which
looks like the model
for Windows 8. Android is great for non-business devices,
but that too is
geared for tablets.
Won't Microsoft Surface have a pressure sensitive pen? No idea
though how subtle it will be.
It will come in two versions, one with a lame ARM and one with an
i5, which sounds quite interesting.
And if it's not going to be MS, I expect quite a few other
manufacturers to offer something similar.
I think what the problem is that there is no money in
selling to the professional
video and entertainment market. Look what Apple did with
Final Cut Pro.
They turned it into a home user product, and ignored the
pro market completely.
Maybe it is just a big hint, from the universe, for me to
start a new career. ;)
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 AM,
Stefan Andersson <sander...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Maybe I
spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into
Linux now. Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I
know it can't run Softimage, but I don't use Softimage at
home that much anyhow.
It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many
gremlins under the hood that I had no idea of what they
were up to.
Too many reboots and too many processes that started
working for no apparent reason, and popups, my god it
felt like using firefox without a adblocker. But besides
that it was a better experience that my last attempt which
was with Vista.
I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still
warm and cozy.
regards
stefan
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at
10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom <andreas.byst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
". So... I've installed Windows7 on my
workstation at home. And so far I'm really
impressed with the speed and the response from
the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on
Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3."
hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over?
actually the day alan jones writes something like
that will be the day hell truly freezes over..
on a serious note, for every single windows
release that's about to come out since win2k I've
heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible,
I'm staying with win forever" yet those same
people somehow upgraded throughout the years and
found themselves quite happy...
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012
at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson <sander...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It's not any
better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is
moving towards tablet use. But what
boggles me is that... how can the
developers themselves stand it?
On a side note.
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Am 20.08.2012 19:56, schrieb Stephen Davidson: Bottom line, for me, Windows 8 is fine to use on my tablet, but there is no reason to use it on my workstation, unless they force me to, by dropping support for Windows 7, like they will, for XP, on April 8th 2014. I have a laptop/tablet pc that I use for drawing (it has a Wacom pressure sensitive pen) that runs on XP, but won't run Windows 7. I guess it will have a limited life. It is a shame, because I can't find any new tablets that support pressure sensitive pens. Most new tablets run on Android, which looks like the model for Windows 8. Android is great for non-business devices, but that too is geared for tablets. Won't Microsoft Surface have a pressure sensitive pen? No idea though how subtle it will be. It will come in two versions, one with a lame ARM and one with an i5, which sounds quite interesting. And if it's not going to be MS, I expect quite a few other manufacturers to offer something similar. I think what the problem is that there is no money in selling to the professional video and entertainment market. Look what Apple did with Final Cut Pro. They turned it into a home user product, and ignored the pro market completely. Maybe it is just a big hint, from the universe, for me to start a new career. ;) On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Andersson <sander...@gmail.com> wrote: Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the hood that I had no idea of what they were up to. Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last attempt which was with Vista. I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. regards stefan On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom <andreas.byst...@gmail.com> wrote: ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson <sander...@gmail.com> wrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Bottom line, for me, Windows 8 is fine to use on my tablet, but there is no reason to use it on my workstation, unless they force me to, by dropping support for Windows 7, like they will, for XP, on April 8th 2014. I have a laptop/tablet pc that I use for drawing (it has a Wacom pressure sensitive pen) that runs on XP, but won't run Windows 7. I guess it will have a limited life. It is a shame, because I can't find any new tablets that support pressure sensitive pens. Most new tablets run on Android, which looks like the model for Windows 8. Android is great for non-business devices, but that too is geared for tablets. I think what the problem is that there is no money in selling to the professional video and entertainment market. Look what Apple did with Final Cut Pro. They turned it into a home user product, and ignored the pro market completely. Maybe it is just a big hint, from the universe, for me to start a new career. ;) On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Andersson wrote: > Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. > Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, > but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. > It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the hood > that I had no idea of what they were up to. > Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no > apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without > a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last > attempt which was with Vista. > > I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. > > regards > stefan > > > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom < > andreas.byst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far >> I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. >> Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." >> >> hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan >> jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. >> >> on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come >> out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm >> staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded >> throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: >> >>> It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet >>> use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand >>> it? >>> >>> On a side note. >>> >>> I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy >>> wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed >>> Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with >>> the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother >>> on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. >>> >>> Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. >>> >>> And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already >>> talking about Windows9. >>> >>> regards >>> stefan >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: >>> >>>> this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac >>>> pros... >>>> >>>> Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all >>>> professional market get's ignored!! >>>> >>>> i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! >>>> wtf is going on with these guys!? >>>> >>>> >>>> sly >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED** >>>> *V-P/Visual effects supervisor >>>> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 >>>> T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/>< >>>> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul Griswold >>>> Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM >>>> My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. >>>> Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had >>>> tested it out yet? >>>> >>>> I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, >>>> but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. >>>> >>>> I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine & start over anyway. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Andreas Byström >> Lighting TD - Weta Digital >> >> > > > -- > stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com > -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson** **(954) 552-7956 *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com <http://www.3danimationmagic.com> <>
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Maybe I spoke too soon :) I felt a bit lost, so I'm back into Linux now. Trying a bit newer distro (Ubuntu 12.04). I know it can't run Softimage, but I don't use Softimage at home that much anyhow. It was a nice try, but it felt there were too many gremlins under the hood that I had no idea of what they were up to. Too many reboots and too many processes that started working for no apparent reason, and popups, my god it felt like using firefox without a adblocker. But besides that it was a better experience that my last attempt which was with Vista. I'm back home now. Hell did not freeze over, it's still warm and cozy. regards stefan On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Bystrom wrote: > ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm > really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage > works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." > > hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan > jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. > > on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come > out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm > staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded > throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... > > > > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: > >> It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet >> use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand >> it? >> >> On a side note. >> >> I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy >> wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed >> Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with >> the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother >> on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. >> >> Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. >> >> And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already >> talking about Windows9. >> >> regards >> stefan >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: >> >>> this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac >>> pros... >>> >>> Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional >>> market get's ignored!! >>> >>> i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! >>> wtf is going on with these guys!? >>> >>> >>> sly >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED** >>> *V-P/Visual effects supervisor >>> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 >>> T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/>< >>> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Griswold >>> Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM >>> My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. >>> Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had >>> tested it out yet? >>> >>> I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but >>> I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. >>> >>> I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine & start over anyway. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com >> > > > > -- > Andreas Byström > Lighting TD - Weta Digital > > -- stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com <>
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
Hi Sam, here´s a pretty good download database for all sorts of Apple related tools, beware it´s in german. Fortunately, lot´s of english teminology anyway: http://www.heise.de/download/apple-50002505000/ I tend to go there first if I need a misc. tool, as the site belongs to a german computer magazin and the tools found there can often be assumed save to start with. Has linux and windows stuff, too. Even stuff for smartphones. Cheers, tim On 19.08.2012 23:48, Sam Bowling wrote: One of the big surprises when I started working at this company that uses a lot of macs was the complete lack of free utilities available on a mac. You can get almost any kind of converter/utility for windows for free, but EVERYTHING on a mac will cost you money and most of them don’t even have demo versions so you can see if it even work. Hopefully they will continue to allow people to downgrade to earlier versions of windows, but with the way they are pushing their cell phone OS they probably won’t allow it on this version. *From:* Martin yara <mailto:furik...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:53 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> *Subject:* Re: Windows 8 - anyone? We gained stability directx and some other things with winXP so it was a good change from win98 and 2000. It felt like a 98 and 2000 mixed and with the SPs blue screens were pretty rare. XP 64 and Vista never felt like a finished product so Win7 64 was a huge change for designers. 2 or 3Gb per application was just not enough. This time, I just don't see any reason to upgrade. Not yet at least. It seems that the upgrade price will be quite cheap so it may be worth to give it a try, specially if there is a no Metro GUI option. Linux and OSX are quite limited in software and plugins library so I don't think they are a valid option for a designer / generalist. M.Yara On 2012/08/19, at 8:22, Andreas Bystrom mailto:andreas.byst...@gmail.com>> wrote: "You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t)." ofcourse, there are still people using win2k/nt even. also i did not forget vista, i ran it myself for years and was quite happy with it, win7 is better but overall vista wasn't that terrible either. also having used Linux for almost 2 years at work I've realized you can get used to and be quite happy with anything, its just a matter of using it long enough really, even though I still would never bother using linux at home.. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Sam Bowling mailto:sbowl...@cox.net>> wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). *From:* Andreas Bystrom <mailto:andreas.byst...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson mailto:sander...@gmail.com>> wrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already talking about Windows9. regards stefan On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau mailto:s...@shedmtl.com>> wrote: this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Seem's e
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One of the big surprises when I started working at this company that uses a lot of macs was the complete lack of free utilities available on a mac. You can get almost any kind of converter/utility for windows for free, but EVERYTHING on a mac will cost you money and most of them don’t even have demo versions so you can see if it even work. Hopefully they will continue to allow people to downgrade to earlier versions of windows, but with the way they are pushing their cell phone OS they probably won’t allow it on this version. From: Martin yara Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:53 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? We gained stability directx and some other things with winXP so it was a good change from win98 and 2000. It felt like a 98 and 2000 mixed and with the SPs blue screens were pretty rare. XP 64 and Vista never felt like a finished product so Win7 64 was a huge change for designers. 2 or 3Gb per application was just not enough. This time, I just don't see any reason to upgrade. Not yet at least. It seems that the upgrade price will be quite cheap so it may be worth to give it a try, specially if there is a no Metro GUI option. Linux and OSX are quite limited in software and plugins library so I don't think they are a valid option for a designer / generalist. M.Yara On 2012/08/19, at 8:22, Andreas Bystrom wrote: "You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t)." ofcourse, there are still people using win2k/nt even. also i did not forget vista, i ran it myself for years and was quite happy with it, win7 is better but overall vista wasn't that terrible either. also having used Linux for almost 2 years at work I've realized you can get used to and be quite happy with anything, its just a matter of using it long enough really, even though I still would never bother using linux at home.. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Sam Bowling wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). From: Andreas Bystrom Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already talking about Windows9. regards stefan On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional market get's ignored!! i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! wtf is going on with these guys!? sly -- Sylvain Lebeau // SHED V-P/Visual effects supervisor 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM> Paul Griswold Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if
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> Did I miss anyone? Producers, Clients, Agency? ... h264´s for approvals sent to the iPhone/MacBookAir/iPad. you´ll never know what gamma settings your windows mp4 will give them unless you check it on a mac yourself. ...or just use vimeo to convert it for you... --- Comparing xp64 with win7_64 here now on, I had used the downgrade option to run xp64 from a win7 license to keep all machines identical/swappable. Benefits of win7 (on a MacPro2008): *directx 11 support (since vista) *harddisks >2TB will probably work just fine, xp64 4K sector alignment can be skipped *transferrate between harddisks in machine is a lot higher and the explorer gives detailed info about what it does *powersave modes for idling seem to work nice(r) *SSD support (caching) *more options included to easily backup or restore the whole system quickly (making clones easier as well as transfers to bigger disks) program support -adobe cs5+ line of products -ZBrush4R3 (and R4) not supported on xp64 Personally, I think I will enjoy using win7 on that MacPro2008. It´s not too cluttered, you still get at the management console easy enough if neccessary and the whole OS feels pretty stable. I´ll add some RAM to the MAC, 24-32GB will be good enough until the machine has written off from tax and a solid successor with roughly double the CPU power can be found, I guess. That would be a solid 3-5 year lifecycle then. Cheers, tim On 19.08.2012 08:32, Stefan Andersson wrote: It all depends on what you are doing at work. *Animators*, likes windows or osx why: sound, viewport performance, video capture, quicktime *Generalist TD*, no preference why: cares only about scripting and I/O performace *TD/Programmers*, likes osx and linux why: actually only cares about terminals. As long as you can work through a terminal *Pipeline TD*, Linux or FreeBSD why: we wish everything worked on freebsd, but we settle for any linux flavor. *Concept Artist*, windows or osx why: Adobe rulez! And wacom just can't get the drivers to work correctly under Linux *Shading TD*, no preference why: as long as the renderer works *Modellers*, Windows or osx why: zbrush and a zillion of photoshop plugins Did I miss anyone? /stefan On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Andreas Bystrom mailto:andreas.byst...@gmail.com>> wrote: "You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t)." ofcourse, there are still people using win2k/nt even. also i did not forget vista, i ran it myself for years and was quite happy with it, win7 is better but overall vista wasn't that terrible either. also having used Linux for almost 2 years at work I've realized you can get used to and be quite happy with anything, its just a matter of using it long enough really, even though I still would never bother using linux at home.. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Sam Bowling mailto:sbowl...@cox.net>> wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). *From:* Andreas Bystrom <mailto:andreas.byst...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson mailto:sander...@gmail.com>> wrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. Anyhow, going
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We gained stability directx and some other things with winXP so it was a good change from win98 and 2000. It felt like a 98 and 2000 mixed and with the SPs blue screens were pretty rare. XP 64 and Vista never felt like a finished product so Win7 64 was a huge change for designers. 2 or 3Gb per application was just not enough. This time, I just don't see any reason to upgrade. Not yet at least. It seems that the upgrade price will be quite cheap so it may be worth to give it a try, specially if there is a no Metro GUI option. Linux and OSX are quite limited in software and plugins library so I don't think they are a valid option for a designer / generalist. M.Yara On 2012/08/19, at 8:22, Andreas Bystrom wrote: "You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t)." ofcourse, there are still people using win2k/nt even. also i did not forget vista, i ran it myself for years and was quite happy with it, win7 is better but overall vista wasn't that terrible either. also having used Linux for almost 2 years at work I've realized you can get used to and be quite happy with anything, its just a matter of using it long enough really, even though I still would never bother using linux at home.. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Sam Bowling wrote: > You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running > windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually > liked, but most other people didn’t). > > *From:* Andreas Bystrom > *Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? > > ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm > really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage > works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." > > hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan > jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. > > on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come > out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm > staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded > throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... > > > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: > >> It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet >> use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand >> it? >> >> On a side note. >> >> I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy >> wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed >> Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with >> the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother >> on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. >> >> Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. >> >> And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already >> talking about Windows9. >> >> regards >> stefan >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: >> >>> this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac >>> pros... >>> >>> Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional >>> market get's ignored!! >>> >>> i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! >>> wtf is going on with these guys!? >>> >>> >>> sly >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED** >>> *V-P/Visual effects supervisor >>> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 >>> T 514 849-1555 <514%20849-1555> F 514 849-5025 >>> WWW.SHEDMTL.COM<http://www.shedmtl.com/>< >>> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Griswold >>> Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM >>> My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. >>> Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had >>> tested it out yet? >>> >>> I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but >>> I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. >>> >>> I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine & start over anyway. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com >> > > > > -- > Andreas Byström > Lighting TD - Weta Digital > > -- Andreas Byström Lighting TD - Weta Digital
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It all depends on what you are doing at work. *Animators*, likes windows or osx why: sound, viewport performance, video capture, quicktime *Generalist TD*, no preference why: cares only about scripting and I/O performace *TD/Programmers*, likes osx and linux why: actually only cares about terminals. As long as you can work through a terminal *Pipeline TD*, Linux or FreeBSD why: we wish everything worked on freebsd, but we settle for any linux flavor. *Concept Artist*, windows or osx why: Adobe rulez! And wacom just can't get the drivers to work correctly under Linux *Shading TD*, no preference why: as long as the renderer works *Modellers*, Windows or osx why: zbrush and a zillion of photoshop plugins Did I miss anyone? /stefan On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Andreas Bystrom wrote: > "You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running > windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually > liked, but most other people didn’t)." > > ofcourse, there are still people using win2k/nt even. > > also i did not forget vista, i ran it myself for years and was quite happy > with it, win7 is better but overall vista wasn't that terrible either. > > also having used Linux for almost 2 years at work I've realized you can > get used to and be quite happy with anything, its just a matter of using it > long enough really, even though I still would never bother using linux at > home.. > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Sam Bowling wrote: > >> You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still >> running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I >> actually liked, but most other people didn’t). >> >> *From:* Andreas Bystrom >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? >> >> ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far >> I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. >> Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." >> >> hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan >> jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. >> >> on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come >> out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm >> staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded >> throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: >> >>> It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet >>> use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand >>> it? >>> >>> On a side note. >>> >>> I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy >>> wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed >>> Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with >>> the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother >>> on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. >>> >>> Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. >>> >>> And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already >>> talking about Windows9. >>> >>> regards >>> stefan >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: >>> >>>> this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac >>>> pros... >>>> >>>> Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all >>>> professional market get's ignored!! >>>> >>>> i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! >>>> wtf is going on with these guys!? >>>> >>>> >>>> sly >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED** >>>> *V-P/Visual effects supervisor >>>> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 >>>> T 514 849-1555 <514%20849-1555> F 514 849-5025 >>>> WWW.SHEDMTL.COM<http://www.shedmtl.com/>< >>>> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul Griswold >>>> Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM >>>> My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. >>>> Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had >>>> tested it out yet? >>>> >>>> I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, >>>> but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. >>>> >>>> I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine & start over anyway. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Andreas Byström >> Lighting TD - Weta Digital >> >> > > > -- > Andreas Byström > Lighting TD - Weta Digital > > -- stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com <>
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"You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t)." ofcourse, there are still people using win2k/nt even. also i did not forget vista, i ran it myself for years and was quite happy with it, win7 is better but overall vista wasn't that terrible either. also having used Linux for almost 2 years at work I've realized you can get used to and be quite happy with anything, its just a matter of using it long enough really, even though I still would never bother using linux at home.. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Sam Bowling wrote: > You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running > windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually > liked, but most other people didn’t). > > *From:* Andreas Bystrom > *Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? > > ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm > really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage > works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." > > hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan > jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. > > on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come > out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm > staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded > throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... > > > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: > >> It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet >> use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand >> it? >> >> On a side note. >> >> I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy >> wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed >> Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with >> the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother >> on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. >> >> Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. >> >> And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already >> talking about Windows9. >> >> regards >> stefan >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: >> >>> this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac >>> pros... >>> >>> Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional >>> market get's ignored!! >>> >>> i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! >>> wtf is going on with these guys!? >>> >>> >>> sly >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED** >>> *V-P/Visual effects supervisor >>> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 >>> T 514 849-1555 <514%20849-1555> F 514 849-5025 >>> WWW.SHEDMTL.COM<http://www.shedmtl.com/>< >>> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Griswold >>> Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM >>> My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. >>> Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had >>> tested it out yet? >>> >>> I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but >>> I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. >>> >>> I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine & start over anyway. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com >> > > > > -- > Andreas Byström > Lighting TD - Weta Digital > > -- Andreas Byström Lighting TD - Weta Digital <>
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Have you seen what they did to the File Explorer? The ribbon was a bad ide and now it’s spread to the file browser like some kind of bad virus. Have been a windows user for over 20 years I was surprised that I had to look up on the web how to restart the computer. Just follow these simple steps... So much easier than Start>shutdown/restart http://www.karthikk.net/2011/09/shutdown-restart-in-windows-8-how-to/ I love the way you have to constantly jump from the left side of the screen to the right side of the screen for everything in this OS. So much easier than having everything in one place. From: Luc-Eric Rousseau Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:53 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? It's not possible to turn it back to win7, but it's my understanding that it's only the Start menu you'd miss when you run the desktop? It's on the ARM that the desktop might go away, but on intel i'm pretty sure it's here to stay. On Aug 17, 2012 10:50 PM, "Sam Bowling" wrote: Interesting because no one seems to have been able to find it yet. I haven’t tried the actual RTM version. From: Matt Lind Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 7:39 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? Microsoft stated Windows 7 mode would be retained, but you would have to activate it from the control panel. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sam Bowling Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 7:33 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? I tried out the release preview on my laptop and windows 8 is crap. The only reason this exists is so Microsoft can leverage their desktop OS to get people you use their extremely unpopular Phone OS. They have literally removed everything that made windows 7 so popular (start menu, quick searches, etc.). Now you are forced to move your mouse all over the screen to the “hot corners” or “hot edges” to get to all the features you used to easily get to with the start menu. You load to the Phone OS screen and the desktop is now an “app” that you run your “legacy apps” in (IOW, where the real programs run). All the new phone apps load full screen and can not be windowed. That means that all the little helper programs to run in small windows will now load FULL SCREEN. They have basically put a GUI on DOS and added in task swapping. None of the new apps can run in the background as far as I have been able to tell, so they all basically go into hibernation (to save battery life... as if my PC runs on batteries.) when you switch apps, so multitasking is dead unless you are running “Legacy apps” on the Legacy desktop (which they say they will be removing). They want you to buy all these touch enabled tablet things for your PC, so your PC can be as useful as your laptop when you don’t have a mouse. Unlike all the other Windows releases, you can not go back to the older interface style. It has all been physically remove from the OS leaving you with only one choice (even though it was all there in the initial developers preview). Windows 8 is pure rubbish with a clunky, sickening, eye wrenching phone interface plugged on top of it and it has made me do something none of the other OS makers have ever been able to do. I have now seriously considered moving to another OS/Platform. This thing is even more dumbed down than OSX and that is something that I didn’t think was possible. I really tried to get used to windows 8, but I just feel handicapped on that OS. If they don’t do some serious backpedaling in the future I will be moving to something else. I predict that Linux and mac “sales” will increase dramatically over the next few years. From: Paul Griswold Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 9:18 AM To: Softimage Mailing list Subject: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine & start over anyway. Thanks, Paul
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There is noting modern to Metro. It’s a lousy cell phone OS that is terrible as a desktop OS. The backend has some nice improvements, but the UI is just garbage. It is just completely useless and a definite step big back compared to windows 7. Seriously, they couldn’t even make the “apps” load in a window? Do you really need your control panel or IM to load as a full screen app? From: Rob Wuijster Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:36 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? Not sure what you mean, but the desktop is still there with the same keyboard/mouse support as W7. But with some Metro/Modern UI additions, like the app bar to the left and the settings bar on the right that are accessed with the mouse. Sure, the start menu/button have been replaces by the new Metro/Modern UI, although there's still a handy rightclick menu where the visibal start button was. With a lot of handy shortcuts to common 'poweruser' tasks. But I don't see much difference in the way I would use W8 or W7. W8 does have some interesting new ways of working and handling apps. It seems one is in the 'I like it' or 'I hate it' camp, there's no real in the middle for now. Me personally am very interested to see if whole the Metro/Modern UI apps thing takes off. Having the same app on your phone, tablet and desktop with 'Skydrive saved' settings sounds good in theory. It's to see if MS can pull this of much more cleanly as previous large projects. Rob \/-\/\/On 17-8-2012 21:42, Mirko Jankovic wrote: it seems to be shame that they create OS that works a bit faster/better than win7 and then focus mainly on touch stuff and leave most pro workstation work on dry. was is that hard to leave option to work as normal desktop workstation and not touchcrap? after all all versions ha old win classic look, why not keep it for people that are looking for function an not fancy look. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5205 - Release Date: 08/17/12
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
We use macs where I work and upgraded last year, right after Lion came out. Quicktime is just garbage compared to what it used to be and even with the latest updates, the OS is still full of bugs (especially if you use 2 monitors). Maybe with Jobs out of the way things will improve, but I sort of doubt it. Apple tends to "think different" from normal people. -Original Message- From: Tim Leydecker Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:14 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Is this latest news? The late 2012 MacPros are, umhh, not impressive but apple mgmnt has promised something really great for next year... I wonder how much this is a result of Jobs gone (r.i.p.) and Intel not feeling any pressure to make Xeons competitive in terms of price against performance? The 2008 MacPro´s beat Dell/HP/Lenovo both in terms of price and style and opened a big chunk of market to the MacPro by making them run really nice with windows. ... Maybe we don´t need content creation artists using dedicated hardware anymore? There´s enough cloud apps to instantly create nice images and rights-managed stuff billed by the click to get rid of pesky artists blocking the retina already? And there´s always india, china and millions of young, idealistic interns to pull from? ... I would also like to have a solid, clutter free workstation without any license/transfer hassle I can use productively for content creation using stable and reliably tools plus betas where it makes sense. But maybe I´m old-fashioned and should just wave off (using a gesture involving my middle finger?) Cheers, tim On 18.08.2012 05:01, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional market get's ignored!! i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! wtf is going on with these guys!? sly -- *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED** *V-P/Visual effects supervisor 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/><http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://www.shedmtl.com/>> Paul Griswold <mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine & start over anyway. Thanks, Paul
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). From: Andreas Bystrom Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? ". So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3." hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing "this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever" yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a "side-note". They are already talking about Windows9. regards stefan On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional market get's ignored!! i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! wtf is going on with these guys!? sly -- Sylvain Lebeau // SHED V-P/Visual effects supervisor 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM> Paul Griswold Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine & start over anyway. Thanks, Paul -- stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com -- Andreas Byström Lighting TD - Weta Digital <>
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Minor correction: It doesn't render on the iPad, it receives a streaming progressive render in realtime and the client is just a GUI to it. ;) On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Paul Griswold < pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote: > Depends on what you mean by getting things done. With my iPhone & iPad + > Growl and Boxcar I can have Deadline send me a message when renders finish. > I do a lot of general-purpose office work while sitting on the sofa with > my kids in the evening on my iPad. I'm not doing modeling, etc., but it's > nice to be able to know I can go hiking with my kids and still be able to > follow up with a client via email. > > I know there was a video recently posted from SIGGRAPH where Thiago was > talking about his new project being able to render from an iPad in Chrome. > So you never know where things are headed. > > -Paul > > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:44 PM, David Gallagher < > davegsoftimagel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Mobile is so overrated. Does anyone actually get anything done on a >> mobile device? >> >
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Wasn't I supposed to be all gloomy about newfangled stuff ;-) Well, I currently work on audio related things and just read an interesting article about Windows 8 and some benchmarks: http://blog.cakewalk.com/windows-8-a-benchmark-for-music-production-applications/ I can't see any reason for doom and gloom to be honest. Looks more like a continuation of Vista->Win7 to me. I worked from early on with Vista 64 and found it much better than its reputation - and much better as XP in fact. Win 7 improved it a lot in interaction speed, memory needed, multicore use etc. Much smoother experience. Now from what I read Win 8 goes on with that. I agree with the sentiment that there is space for a real pro OS, but this space exists for a long time now. I wasn't surprised with OSX going the way of the app, was quite a lot more surprised when Windows did it and just couldn't believe some of the Linux things I saw... Should somebody finally resurrect BeOS? ;-) But then again: What most people do with computers can probably be done on a tablet or laptop. I can actually see us head back to Silicon Graphics days, with real high end pro machines becoming something special again. In a way this is natural if you think about it: why should everybody and his mom working on basically the same machines as you? I personally plan to do a full fresh install as soon as Win8 is available - finally on a SSD. Should be snappy. And keep the Win7 Partition as a fallback. Cheers, Tom http://www.screendream.de
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Depends on what you mean by getting things done. With my iPhone & iPad + Growl and Boxcar I can have Deadline send me a message when renders finish. I do a lot of general-purpose office work while sitting on the sofa with my kids in the evening on my iPad. I'm not doing modeling, etc., but it's nice to be able to know I can go hiking with my kids and still be able to follow up with a client via email. I know there was a video recently posted from SIGGRAPH where Thiago was talking about his new project being able to render from an iPad in Chrome. So you never know where things are headed. -Paul On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:44 PM, David Gallagher < davegsoftimagel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Mobile is so overrated. Does anyone actually get anything done on a mobile > device? >
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
Mobile is so overrated. Does anyone actually get anything done on a mobile device? On 8/18/2012 7:51 AM, Rob Wuijster wrote: I don't think there will be any pro-friendly OS's out there in a few years time. Like people already said, everybody is jumping on the mobile train, and the 'pro's' get the leftovers on the desktop. As more and more apps move to the web and cloud (Office 2012 e.g.), we'll slowly start too see a shift. At some point the desktop as we know, use and love will be dead, not just on Windows. And to answer your W8 Enterprise question, it's the same with some additions for security, domain login and such. Rob \/-\/\/ On 18-8-2012 13:40, Paul Griswold wrote: Sam is right on the money. I heard an interview with Paul Thurrott and he said according to the Windows team, Windows 8 is much like the first version of OS-X. It's not Windows 7 with some bolt-on UI elements, it is a new OS that has a "Classic" mode to maintain compatibility with non-Metro apps. There are no more windows in Windows except in Desktop mode. Even a file requester is full-screen. I do wonder how pro developers are going to deal with it - because MS says the desktop mode will be phased out eventually, just like Apple got rid of Classic mode. The tablet craze is here to stay. It's all about chasing dollars & there are a lot more dollars in the general public then there is in selling only to any one particular market segment. Just look at Apple's current stock price & their cash on hand and you can understand what they're all thinking. I did see there's a Windows 8 Enterprise version that's being release too. Is that more pro-friendly? -Paul No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5207 - Release Date: 08/18/12
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
It's not possible to turn it back to win7, but it's my understanding that it's only the Start menu you'd miss when you run the desktop? It's on the ARM that the desktop might go away, but on intel i'm pretty sure it's here to stay. On Aug 17, 2012 10:50 PM, "Sam Bowling" wrote: > Interesting because no one seems to have been able to find it yet. I > haven’t tried the actual RTM version. > > > *From:* Matt Lind > *Sent:* Friday, August 17, 2012 7:39 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* RE: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? > > > Microsoft stated Windows 7 mode would be retained, but you would have to > activate it from the control panel. > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam Bowling > *Sent:* Friday, August 17, 2012 7:33 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? > > > > I tried out the release preview on my laptop and windows 8 is crap. The > only reason this exists is so Microsoft can leverage their desktop OS to > get people you use their extremely unpopular Phone OS. They have literally > removed everything that made windows 7 so popular (start menu, quick > searches, etc.). Now you are forced to move your mouse all over the screen > to the “hot corners” or “hot edges” to get to all the features you used to > easily get to with the start menu. You load to the Phone OS screen and the > desktop is now an “app” that you run your “legacy apps” in (IOW, where the > real programs run). All the new phone apps load full screen and can not be > windowed. That means that all the little helper programs to run in small > windows will now load FULL SCREEN. They have basically put a GUI on DOS and > added in task swapping. None of the new apps can run in the background as > far as I have been able to tell, so they all basically go into hibernation > (to save battery life... as if my PC runs on batteries.) when you > switch apps, so multitasking is dead unless you are running “Legacy apps” > on the Legacy desktop (which they say they will be removing). They want > you to buy all these touch enabled tablet things for your PC, so your PC > can be as useful as your laptop when you don’t have a mouse. Unlike all the > other Windows releases, you can not go back to the older interface style. > It has all been physically remove from the OS leaving you with only one > choice (even though it was all there in the initial developers preview). * > *** > > > > Windows 8 is pure rubbish with a clunky, sickening, eye wrenching phone > interface plugged on top of it and it has made me do something none of the > other OS makers have ever been able to do. I have now seriously > considered moving to another OS/Platform. This thing is even more dumbed > down than OSX and that is something that I didn’t think was possible. I > really tried to get used to windows 8, but I just feel handicapped on that > OS. If they don’t do some serious backpedaling in the future I will be > moving to something else. I predict that Linux and mac “sales” will > increase dramatically over the next few years. > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Paul Griswold > > *Sent:* Friday, August 17, 2012 9:18 AM > > *To:* Softimage Mailing list > > *Subject:* OT: Windows 8 - anyone? > > > > My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft > has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it > out yet? > > > > I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but > I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. > > > > I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine & start over anyway.*** > * > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > >
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
It seems like the market might be ripe for some enterprising new company to come along and develop some specialized pro-level hardware & software. Of course it would be Silicon based hardware, specialize in Graphics and would need to be Incorporated... ah, but that's a crazy idea! On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Rob Wuijster wrote: > I don't think there will be any pro-friendly OS's out there in a few > years time. > Like people already said, everybody is jumping on the mobile train, and > the 'pro's' get the leftovers on the desktop. > > As more and more apps move to the web and cloud (Office 2012 e.g.), we'll > slowly start too see a shift. At some point the desktop as we know, use and > love will be dead, not just on Windows. > > And to answer your W8 Enterprise question, it's the same with some > additions for security, domain login and such. > > Rob > \/-\/\/ > > On 18-8-2012 13:40, Paul Griswold wrote: > > Sam is right on the money. I heard an interview with Paul Thurrott and he > said according to the Windows team, Windows 8 is much like the first > version of OS-X. It's not Windows 7 with some bolt-on UI elements, it is a > new OS that has a "Classic" mode to maintain compatibility with non-Metro > apps. > > There are no more windows in Windows except in Desktop mode. Even a > file requester is full-screen. I do wonder how pro developers are going to > deal with it - because MS says the desktop mode will be phased out > eventually, just like Apple got rid of Classic mode. > > The tablet craze is here to stay. It's all about chasing dollars & > there are a lot more dollars in the general public then there is in selling > only to any one particular market segment. Just look at Apple's current > stock price & their cash on hand and you can understand what they're all > thinking. > > I did see there's a Windows 8 Enterprise version that's being release > too. Is that more pro-friendly? > > -Paul > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5207 - Release Date: 08/18/12 > > > >
Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone?
I don't think there will be any pro-friendly OS's out there in a few years time. Like people already said, everybody is jumping on the mobile train, and the 'pro's' get the leftovers on the desktop. As more and more apps move to the web and cloud (Office 2012 e.g.), we'll slowly start too see a shift. At some point the desktop as we know, use and love will be dead, not just on Windows. And to answer your W8 Enterprise question, it's the same with some additions for security, domain login and such. Rob \/-\/\/ On 18-8-2012 13:40, Paul Griswold wrote: Sam is right on the money. I heard an interview with Paul Thurrott and he said according to the Windows team, Windows 8 is much like the first version of OS-X. It's not Windows 7 with some bolt-on UI elements, it is a new OS that has a "Classic" mode to maintain compatibility with non-Metro apps. There are no more windows in Windows except in Desktop mode. Even a file requester is full-screen. I do wonder how pro developers are going to deal with it - because MS says the desktop mode will be phased out eventually, just like Apple got rid of Classic mode. The tablet craze is here to stay. It's all about chasing dollars & there are a lot more dollars in the general public then there is in selling only to any one particular market segment. Just look at Apple's current stock price & their cash on hand and you can understand what they're all thinking. I did see there's a Windows 8 Enterprise version that's being release too. Is that more pro-friendly? -Paul No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5207 - Release Date: 08/18/12
