Saying goodbye

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi everyone,
It has been a pleasure and a privilege to be part of the Window-Eyes community 
for the past 7 years. So, it is with a heavy heart that I share this news. 
Today is my last day working for Ai Squared. I was made a job offer that was 
too good to refuse. As much as I love my current job, this was the best 
decision for my family. Next month, I will start my new job as a Senior 
Accessibility Specialist for JP Morgan Chase. This position will give me the 
opportunity to help Chase further their mission to build inclusive digital 
experiences for all of their customers. If you would like to stay in touch, 
feel free to follow me on Twitter. I don't tweet often, but when I do, I 
usually distribute information on digital accessibility and assistive 
technology. My handle is mr_marcsolomon. As a final thought, please continue to 
educate others about the importance of accessibility and do what you can to 
help make this world a better place.
Cheers,
Marc
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Firefox download config/settings

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Martha, I am sending this info to the entire list as others may want to know 
the answer to your question.

1. Open Tools menu with Alt+T
2. Select Options with O
3. Turn Browse Mode off (Control+Shift+A) so you can interact with Firefox 
preferences page
4. Tab to Save files to radio button in the Downloads group
5. Check the Always ask me where to save files radio button with Down Arrow
5. Restart Firefox

Regards,
Marc


-Original Message-
From: Martha [mailto:mrea...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:28 AM
To: Marc Solomon 
Subject: Firefox download config/settings

Hi, Marc.

In a previous post, you hinted that there is a way to set up Firefox so that a 
dialog box will appear, allowing the user to select where the download will 
"land".

Will you please provide details on how to configure/change the settings to do 
this?

Thanks.

Martha



___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: getting my new PC set up

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Robin,
If you contact the Window-Eyes support team and provide your serial number, 
they can help you get access to a full installer for Window-Eyes 9.5.1. The 
keyboard shortcut to launch Narrator in Windows 10 is Windows Key+Enter. Yes, 
you can configure Windows 10 to not require a Microsoft account and instead use 
a local account for logging in. Here is an article with more information on how 
to accomplish this task: 
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/delete-microsoft-account-create-local-windows-10-login/.
 
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: getting my new PC set up

I started up my new Windows 10 laptop last night for the first time.  I have a 
couple questions, more out of curiosity, since I was able to get my sighted 
husband to read the screen to me.

* When I started the PC, it ran through a set of questions to set up 
the PC.  Should I have been able to use Narrator to read these had my husband 
not been there?

* Once I got the Win 10 desktop, I launched Narrator.  Seems like it 
took a few tries with Windows N, but it did start.  That helped me navigate the 
menus, but if I get a  dialog box, such as an installation dialog, I cannot 
figure out how to get Narrator to read the whole dialog so I know what the 
buttons mean.   Any idea?   I need to get Outlook set up so that I can get my 
email from AI Squared with the link to the latest WE version.  Turns out the 
most recent Window Eyes disk I have is 9.0 and I'm getting an error when I try 
to load it, so it must not be compatible with my Windows 10.  I'm in a bit of a 
snag here with not having a Window Eyes CD.

* During the set up process, I was asked for my Microsoft account 
information.  Since I have an MSN email address, I tried that information and 
it worked.  I guess that's fine. I figure it's nice to have a password aligned 
between email, the store and the cloud storage, should I use it.  But my 
normally don't put a password on my laptop because it doesn't leave the house.  
Should I be able to go into Win 10 settings somewhere and turn this off or 
change the password to something easier just for logging into my computer?  I 
want a strong password for my email, but not for logging into Windows at home.  
I like to be able to flip my computer on and either have it go straight to the 
desktop or quickly move back the log in screen.

Now here's hoping all goes smoothly with learning Windows 10 and getting my 
desktop set up.


Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com


This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It 
is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or 
privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are 
not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, 
copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received 
this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy 
the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. 

This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, 
solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or 
sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment 
advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative 
value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not 
warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, 
and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update 
or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, 
not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.

The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative 
employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member 
NYSE/FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank 
N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets 
Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from 
Key send an e-mail to dnereque...@key.com with 'No 
Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-wind

RE: How to get to the "save" or "open"

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

No, the Notification Bar and its keyboard shortcuts are specific to Internet 
Explorer. The process for downloading files in Firefox is a bit different. And, 
the exact process depends on how you have Firefox configured. For example, you 
can configure Firefox to automatically save files to a specific folder 
(Downloads by default) or you can choose to be prompted with a Save File dialog 
each time you initiate a download. 
Regards,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Linette Sukup [mailto:linettesu...@att.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:08 AM
To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: How to get to the "save" or "open"



Is the same command used in Firefox?

Peace.
Linette



On 8/24/2016 7:50 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote:
> Thanks for clarifying your environment. As Tom suggested, pressing Alt+N will 
> move focus to Internet Explorer's Notification bar that contains several 
> buttons including Run, Save and Close.
> Best,
> Marc
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
> On August 24, 2016 8:41:54 PM Loy  wrote:
>
> I am using IE, windows 10. I am downloading a file from web site and I know 
> that the save or open shows at the bottom left and I forget how to tab to it.
> - Original Message -
> From: Marc Solomon via Talk<mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List<mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:01 PM
> Subject: Re: How to get to the "save" or "open"
>
> What web browser are you using and what are you trying to download? Providing 
> a specific Web page would be helpful.
> Regards,
> Marc
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On August 24, 2016 6:19:12 PM Loy via Talk 
> mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com>> wrote:
>
>> How do I get to the "save" or "open" when downloading with WE. I am having a 
>> senior moment.
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
>> For subscription options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/linettesukup%40att.net.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: How to get to the "save" or "open"

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Thanks for clarifying your environment. As Tom suggested, pressing Alt+N will 
move focus to Internet Explorer's Notification bar that contains several 
buttons including Run, Save and Close.
Best,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com

On August 24, 2016 8:41:54 PM Loy  wrote:

I am using IE, windows 10. I am downloading a file from web site and I know 
that the save or open shows at the bottom left and I forget how to tab to it.
- Original Message -
From: Marc Solomon via Talk<mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List<mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: How to get to the "save" or "open"

What web browser are you using and what are you trying to download? Providing a 
specific Web page would be helpful.
Regards,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On August 24, 2016 6:19:12 PM Loy via Talk 
mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com>> wrote:

> How do I get to the "save" or "open" when downloading with WE. I am having a 
> senior moment.
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: How to get to the "save" or "open"

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

What web browser are you using and what are you trying to download? Providing a 
specific Web page would be helpful.
Regards,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On August 24, 2016 6:19:12 PM Loy via Talk  wrote:

> How do I get to the "save" or "open" when downloading with WE. I am having a 
> senior moment.
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: GW Script Update site down?

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi everyone, I have been told that gwmicro.com and related web resources should 
be up again soon. Thanks for your patience.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 10:55 AM
To: 'David' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
; 'Rod Hutton' ; 'Larry 
Higgins' 
Subject: RE: GW Script Update site down?

Hi David: You are correct but remember they are under new management with
new user interaction rules.
In the past they notified us about changes so I am leaning twoard the fact
they are just making changes to the site but not getting any notice is
unusual from the GW Staff if a change is to be a major one.
They will, of course, be changing the company name and all the web address
names of their pages to reflect their new home but I would have thought they
would notify us of such pending changes and down time.
There is always the possibility... ya that's the ticket just cut bait and
run home to papa fish.
Anyway, my problem was something outside the arena of WindowEyes web sites
since I thought I may have had a dns problem but it seems something else is
afoot.
And, being prepared is what I learned in Boy Scouts some 60 years ago or so,
smile.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 10:46 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
; 'Rod Hutton' ; 'Larry
Higgins' 
Subject: Re: GW Script Update site down?

Could it, possibly, happen they just are experiencing unexpected 
technical issues? Or could it, possibly, be due to issues outside their 
control, i.e issues with the ISP servers? Even, could it be simple as a 
power-failure - due to whether conditions?


Nope, I do have no answer. But relying on former experience, had this 
been the final migration to something else, I have seen the staff 
introduce us the new solutions. So just because the page is down for a 
day or two, I would not spin any speculations. Both this list, and the 
Scripting list, have received numbers of messages the last couple of 
days, so really not too much would be different at the moment.


My guess is, even your screen reader may function as normal, no matter 
the page up or down currently. Should you be in search for a particular 
app, try advertise here, and maybe the app developer - or some other 
user - could send you the installation file, while we are awaiting 
further notice from the staff.


If the site still is down a week from now, you could of course try call 
their support center, and ask what is going on. Smile. Point is, why 
jump to any conclusion at the moment?



David

On 8/24/2016 4:28 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
> Hi Guys:
> Perhaps they are just changing the site to reflect recent ownership
changes
> but I would have thought they would have notified us the site and the
update
> apps pages were going to be down and provided a temporary site or page for
> us to visit related to the new Freedom Scientific JAWS / WindowEyes home.
> By the way, do any of you know of a good e-list like this talk list and,
or,
> scripting e-list we might migrate to if the WindowEyes objects go away
> completely?
> It might be a good thing for all of us to have a common landing pad if we
> are suddenly cut off from communications with each other and without
notice
> even if only a temporary home.
> Rick USA
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%4
0hotmail.com.
> For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> .
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: jump to a unvisited link

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Robin, I wish adding this functionality to Window-Eyes was as simple as 
defining a hotkey. But, the problem is navigating by unvisited link is 
something that has never been implemented in Window-Eyes. This means that there 
is no hotkey to define. It may be possible to write an app that offers this 
type of functionality in Internet Explorer, but I don't know for sure. And, I 
don't think that implementing this functionality in the core of Window-Eyes so 
it works in all supported browsers is currently on the roadmap.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 6:30 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: jump to a unvisited link

I wonder about how to define a hotkey for this.  Haven't tried it, but I've 
wanted a next unvisited link hotkey before.  Anyone tried to define U or such 
to so this?  


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin.van.lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:50 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: jump to a unvisited link

Hi Olusegun,

A minor correction, if you would permit, my friend. smile What was asked is how 
to jump to the previous or next unvisited link.
The keystrokes you offered navigate to the next or previous link, irrespective 
of whether it was visited or not.
The enquiry which was made surrounded the matter of whether there was a hot key 
to allow one to jump to links on a given page which had previously not been 
visited.
Thus far, Window-Eyes does not have such a hot key.

Respectfully,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:56 AM
To: 'Singing Sparrow' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: jump to a unvisited link

And yes, it has always had one:  Press the "l" key to skip from one link to 
another when scrolling from the top to the bottom; the Shift-L keystroke does 
the reverse.  If the link has been visited previously, use the letter "v" key 
if you are going from the top to the bottom of the screen, the Shift-V 
keystrokedoes the reverse!  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h
otmail.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/robin.van.lant%40key.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It 
is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or 
privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are 
not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, 
copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received 
this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy 
the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. 

This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, 
solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or 
sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment 
advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative 
value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not 
warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, 
and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update 
or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, 
not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.

The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative 
employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member 
NYSE/FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank 
N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Cap

RE: question re ms excell

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Robin's suggestion is a good one. But, I have discovered a keyboard strategy 
for renaming the current Excel sheet that does not require use of the Mouse. 
Here are the steps:
1. Navigate to the sheet you want to rename with Control-Page Up or 
Control-Page Down
2. Activate the Home tab in the Ribbon with Alt-H
3. Activate the Format button to open its pull down menu with O
4. Select Rename from the pull down menu with R (or Down Arrow to Rename and 
press Enter)
5. Your focus will move to the sheet's name edit field and the current name 
will be selected. Type in the new name (it will overwrite the current name) and 
press Enter.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 12:47 PM
To: Don Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: question re ms excell

I haven't found how to do this in the menus or with a keyboard shortcut, but 
here's what I have found can work.  
1. Use Control Shift F to open the Window Eyes find dialog box, then type in 
the name of the sheet (for example "Sheet1" without the quotes) and hit enter. 
The mouse will route to the correct sheet tab along the bottom of the Excel 
window. 
2. Right mouse click with either the physical mouse or by hitting the right 
click button on the mouse navigation keys on the numpad - it's the asterisk key 
or the key just above the 9 on the numpad.  Hitting the the application context 
key or Shift F10 does not work because that opens the context menu for where 
the cursor is.  A menu will open once you mouse click. 
3. Rename is one of the options on the menu. Hit that option, then the text of 
the current sheet name will be pre-selected, so just starting to type will 
overwrite the current name. Hit enter when done.



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 6:30 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: question re ms excell

Morning all:

 

 

Another question from my friend in Australia

 

Could you please ask the key strokes to rename a sheet in excel 2013

Thannks

Don

 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/robin_van_lant%40key.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It 
is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or 
privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are 
not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, 
copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received 
this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy 
the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. 

This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, 
solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or 
sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment 
advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative 
value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not 
warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, 
and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update 
or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, 
not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.

The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative 
employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member 
NYSE/FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank 
N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets 
Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from 
Key send an e-mail to dnereque...@key.com with 'No 
Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.windo

RE: Mouse keys?

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Reeva,
It is my understanding that Window-Eyes can read what is under the mouse 
pointer using two different techniques. The first, which has been around a very 
long time, is the off screen model (OSM). The OSM is a database that stores 
where stuff is on the screen. Or at least where the screen reader thinks stuff 
is on the screen. The OSM is populated by hooking into the video and 
interpreting the data that the CPU sends to the graphics card. The problem with 
this technique is that it is basically hacking the operating system. And, as 
time goes on, it will be harder and harder for screen readers to maintain an 
accurate OSM due to security restrictions in the operating system. Because of 
this and other complexities, the OSM is not always accurate and can't be relied 
upon in all programs and areas of Windows. The second is by using User 
Interface Automation (UIA). This is a more modern and secure approach that 
allows a screen reader to query the application directly to ask it where th
 ings are. For example, UIA is available in Internet Explorer and might be what 
Window-Eyes uses for mouse reading. I hope this bit of background helps you 
better understand why there are limitations and inconsistencies in reading what 
is under the mouse pointer.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 11:27 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Mouse keys?

Ok, have a question. I've been trying to not use the physical mouse as much
since at ginormous magnification it's more time consuming. I'm using zt
fusion with we key layout but ran into this when i was using zt and we
together as seperate products. When i try using the mouse keys, most of the
time it just dings at me. Um, what am i doing wrong?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Specified control keys--broken???

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Don,
I could be wrong, but I think this feature might have been deprecated when 
Browse mode was re-written. The enhanced control search mode topic is no longer 
referenced in the Window-Eyes manual. But, you are right, the hot keys for this 
feature are still listed in the Window-Eyes control panel. Please don't shoot 
the messenger. As an alternative, you could use Page Navigation to list all web 
page controls in a dialog. Then you could use first letter navigation to jump 
to the radio button of interest more quickly than navigating through all of 
them sequentially on the web page.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 2:51 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Specified control keys--broken???

Hi, folks.

 

I'm on the Menards web page with browse mode on. Presented with a series of
check boxes on the water heater page--that's right, things are very cold
in the shower about now---I wanted to hop back to where I was by finding the
series of checked check boxes. Unfortunately, when I check a box, I'm booted
to the top of the page and have to find my way back. I had hoped the
specified control dialog would help me do that.

 

Just to make sure I'm doing it right. I'm in browse mode. I'm at the top of
the page. Not my choice, but... I press the keyboard slash character. Windo

window-Eyes states, "Not a valid key press."

 

I drop to the bottom of the web page and press the Shift-sslash key
combination and Window-Eyes states, "In control search mode, not a valid key
press." and then proceeds to do nothing at all.

 

When I opened the Window-Eyes control panel and navigated to the browse mode
hot keys, I did verify that the slash and Shift-slash hot key combinations
are defined.

 

Is it broken? Is Window-Eyes playing coy? 

 

I'm not dealing with rejection very well these days, so I'll go take a cold
shower and wait for suggestions, verification, comiseration.

 

Thanx for reading,

Lou N.

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Browse Mode not Available

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Good suggestion David. Moving focus outside of the Web page area in the browser 
using F6 or another technique then returning focus to the Web page is another 
workaround to try when you encounter this problem.

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On August 16, 2016 2:35:10 PM David  wrote:

> OK, but you forgot one small step, that I have seen working sometimes.
>
>
> Try pressing F6, once or twice. Sometimes things get going when doing so.
>
>
>
> David
>
> On 8/16/2016 7:38 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Barbara,
>> This is an intermittent issue that I have seen from time to time in both 
>> Internet Explorer and Firefox. Assuming you are using a fully updated 
>> version of Internet Explorer 11 without any additional toolbars or 
>> extensions installed, I don't think there is anything you can do to prevent 
>> the problem as it seems to occur randomly without much of a pattern.  Your 
>> best course of action is to try and recover from the issue as quickly as 
>> possible. The troubleshooting steps your listed are spot on. First, try to 
>> toggle Browse Mode to see if it comes back. If not, try refreshing the web 
>> page. If that fails, closing and reopening the browser is logical next step. 
>> If that doesn't do the trick, relaunching Window-Eyes or restarting the PC 
>> is recommended. I am curious to know if those using newer versions of 
>> Windows are experiencing this problem more or less than people using Windows 
>> 7.
>> Best,
>> Marc
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Barbara via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:10 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes 
>> Subject: Browse Mode not Available
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I have Windows 7, IE 11, and WE 9.51.
>>
>> >From time to time, I will go to a web site and get the message browse mode 
>> >not available. It is different sites and it occurs in a haphazard pattern.
>> I have tried the F5 refresh key and this does not help.  Nor does toggling 
>> browse mode off/on using shift/control/a.  So I close IE and reopen it and 
>> go to the same web site and all works fine.
>>
>> Any ideas what is going on and how to prevent this?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>> Barbara
>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
>> For subscription options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com.
>> For subscription options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> .
>>
>
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Browse Mode not Available

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Barbara,
This is an intermittent issue that I have seen from time to time in both 
Internet Explorer and Firefox. Assuming you are using a fully updated version 
of Internet Explorer 11 without any additional toolbars or extensions 
installed, I don't think there is anything you can do to prevent the problem as 
it seems to occur randomly without much of a pattern.  Your best course of 
action is to try and recover from the issue as quickly as possible. The 
troubleshooting steps your listed are spot on. First, try to toggle Browse Mode 
to see if it comes back. If not, try refreshing the web page. If that fails, 
closing and reopening the browser is logical next step. If that doesn't do the 
trick, relaunching Window-Eyes or restarting the PC is recommended. I am 
curious to know if those using newer versions of Windows are experiencing this 
problem more or less than people using Windows 7.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Barbara via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:10 PM
To: Window-Eyes 
Subject: Browse Mode not Available

Hi Everyone,

I have Windows 7, IE 11, and WE 9.51.

>From time to time, I will go to a web site and get the message browse mode not 
>available. It is different sites and it occurs in a haphazard pattern.
I have tried the F5 refresh key and this does not help.  Nor does toggling 
browse mode off/on using shift/control/a.  So I close IE and reopen it and go 
to the same web site and all works fine.

Any ideas what is going on and how to prevent this?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Barbara

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: My ctrl-alt shortcut combos are suddenly gone

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

A slight correction, after pinning a program to your Taskbar, you can press 
Windows Key-1 through Windows Key-0 to launch or switch to it. 
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:12 AM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: My ctrl-alt shortcut combos are suddenly gone

One could pin  programs to the task bar in a specific order and then press 
alt-1 through alt-0 to launch or switch to them.
To see the order of programs on your task bar, press windows-t and then right 
arrow through.
Chris


-Original Message-
From: net bat [mailto:net...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:56 AM
To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: My ctrl-alt shortcut combos are suddenly gone

i think this is a windows thing. i get the same thing with windows 7 sometimes. 
i can look at the properties of the non working icon and the shortcut keys i 
have defined are still there but will not work. rebooting does not bring them 
back. i have to go into the properties and delete the shortcut. save the change 
then put the shortcut keys back then the icon shortcut will start working again 
until the next time a few months later.
-Original Message- 
From: Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:22 AM
To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: My ctrl-alt shortcut combos are suddenly gone

Hi,
Did you shut the computer down and reboot it to see if they come back?
Chris


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 9:36 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: My ctrl-alt shortcut combos are suddenly gone

Listers,

I know this might border on the off topic, but I'm quite certain that
most all of you use these kind of shortcut combos for easy access to
your favorite apps/programs, and when they don't work, you can feel a
bit lost and frustrated, as I do at the moment.

Does anyone have any ideas as to how I can go about getting mine back? I
got up this morning and when I tried loading IE, with ctrl-alt-i, it
didn't work. The same with my Thunderbird keys ctrl-alt-e.

All of my windows key shortcuts are working fine, it is just these
personal combo keys that are giving me trouble.

And yes, the ctrl-alt-w is working for Window-Eyes.

I did try redefining one of the shortcuts, but to no avail.

If anybody has any ideas they would certainly be appreciated. I just
hope I don't have to do something so drastic as a Windows restore, but
if that will work, guess I'll just have to bite one and do that. But
hope we can find a more immediate and softer solution.

Thanks,

Larry
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com 


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: buttons in sys tray

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Don,
Items in your system tray can be implemented differently and have user 
interface options. On some items, you can press Enter to open the associated 
utility. Other times, pressing Enter will open up a menu for the system tray 
item. Other system tray items have a context menu you can access by pressing 
the Applications key. 
For example, if you press Enter on the Skype system tray icon, the Skype window 
opens and gains focus. If you press the applications key, you get a menu with 
options for changing your status and exiting the program. So, you will need to 
experiment to find out how to interact with the Realtek system tray item. Maybe 
try pressing the applications key when the item is focused.
If the icon doesn't seem to be accessible with the keyboard, you can try using 
the Window-Eyes system tray dialog (Insert-S). This dialog will present a list 
of all sys tray items and allow you to perform different mouse actions on them. 
For example, you can issue a single left lick or right click on the selected 
item in the dialog using the mouse action buttons. Good luck!
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Don S via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 3:35 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: buttons in sys tray

Hi:

Running windows 10 and we 9.51

 

I see real tech manager in my sys tray and a button.

 

However I can't access the manager byhitting enter or clicking the mouse.

 

How do I use the buttons in the sys tray?

 

Thanks

 

Don

 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Verbosity ...

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Michael,
The instructions I provided for turning off tooltip verbosity will be honored 
globally. That is, no matter what program, dialog or area in Windows you are 
in, if a tooltip is displayed, it will no longer be spoken by Window-Eyes. The 
pop up messages you receive when ejecting a USB drive are different than tool 
tips and are classified as notifications. So, they should continue to be 
announced automatically even after turning off tooltip verbosity in 
Window-Eyes. I just tested this in Windows 10 with Window-Eyes 9.5.1 to verify 
notifications are still announced after turning off tool tip verbosity and they 
were. As net bat stated in a previous message, there is a configuration option 
in Windows (File/Windows Explorer) that will prevent the pop-up descriptions 
for folder and desktop items from being displayed. Turning this option off 
might be a better solution than turning off tool tip verbosity if there are 
other programs you use where the tool tips present critical information. Here 
are the steps to turn this option off in File Explorer:
1. Open File Explorer (Windows+E)
2. Activate the Options pull down button in the View tab (Alt-V, Y)
3. Choose "Change folder and search options" (Press Enter or O)
4. Select the View tab in the Folder Options dialog (Shift-Tab, then Right Arrow
5. Uncheck the advanced settings option "Show pop-up description for folder and 
desktop items" (Tab into Advanced Settings tree view, press S until you find 
it, press Spacebar)
6. Press Enter to activate OK button and close dialog
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: michael's emails [mailto:michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:54 PM
To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Verbosity ...

Hi Marc its Michael hear if you turn off the tool tips does that afect any 
other info that We reads.
Such as if you want to eject a USB drive from the computer.
And will you still get the messages pop up when programs are alerting you to 
things.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message-----
From: Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Klaus Vielhauer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Verbosity ...

Klaus,
I am going to go out on a limb and guess that one of the places you hear this 
information is when navigating among the icons on your Desktop. If this is the 
case, Window-Eyes is reading the text in the pop up tooltips that are displayed 
on the screen for the selected item. This is the default behavior of 
Window-Eyes and I have worked with others who prefer to turn this setting off 
to cut down on the verbosity. Here are the steps to turn this option
off:
1. Open Window-Eyes Control panel (Control-Backslash) 2. Make sure Show 
Advanced Options in checked in the Help menu (Alt-H, V) 3. In the Settings 
tree, open General then Other (press G, Right Arrow, press O) 4. Navigate to 
the options area with F6 5. Move focus to the Speak Tooltips Global combo box 
using Tab 6. Select Off (1 of 3) in the combo box using the Arrow keys 7. 
Activate the Save Settings button (Tab to the button and press Spacebar) Best, 
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Klaus Vielhauer via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 3:33 AM
To: list window-eys 
Subject: Verbosity ...

Hello,
Windoweyes speaks the selected ikon – as it should be – but in addition it 
speaks file location and date of last change which is disturbing.
How do I get this switched off?
Klaus
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/michaelandjeanie%40aapt.net.au.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com 


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be foun

RE: Verbosity ...

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Klaus,
I am going to go out on a limb and guess that one of the places you hear this 
information is when navigating among the icons on your Desktop. If this is the 
case, Window-Eyes is reading the text in the pop up tooltips that are displayed 
on the screen for the selected item. This is the default behavior of 
Window-Eyes and I have worked with others who prefer to turn this setting off 
to cut down on the verbosity. Here are the steps to turn this option off:
1. Open Window-Eyes Control panel (Control-Backslash)
2. Make sure Show Advanced Options in checked in the Help menu (Alt-H, V)
3. In the Settings tree, open General then Other (press G, Right Arrow, press O)
4. Navigate to the options area with F6
5. Move focus to the Speak Tooltips Global combo box using Tab
6. Select Off (1 of 3) in the combo box using the Arrow keys
7. Activate the Save Settings button (Tab to the button and press Spacebar)
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Klaus Vielhauer via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 3:33 AM
To: list window-eys 
Subject: Verbosity ...

Hello,
Windoweyes speaks the selected ikon – as it should be – but in addition it 
speaks file location and date of last change which is disturbing.
How do I get this switched off?
Klaus
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: clickable links? NVDA vs. WE 9.5.1

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

What web page and what are you trying to play?

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On August 6, 2016 11:26:56 AM Andre via Talk  wrote:

> Will a kind lister check out this link for me? I'm trying to get it to play
> with WE 9.5.1. I had to turn on NVDA just to even find out that there was
> something that was clickable. I can get it to play with NVDA. Are there some
> settings I need to change in WE to announce these clickable links? I think
> all the verbosity settings are set, but I could be missing something.
>
>  
>
> Using ff 47, vista32, WE 9.5.1
>
>  
>
> Much thanks,
>
>  
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Windows 10 update - the right way and the broken way was Re: Need some advice

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

There are two ways to get the Windows 10 anniversary update. The first method 
is to wait for the update to be downloaded and installed by the Windows update 
utility. This is the recommended method because the other method is known to 
cause issues for screen reader users. Microsoft is now aware of the problem. My 
best advice is to just wait and the update will eventually be installed.
Best,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On August 4, 2016 8:01:05 PM Rick Jarvis via Talk  
wrote:

> I tried to upgrade to the new windows 10 today and when I got to a 
> certain point I got the following message.  Display : The display is not 
> compatible with Windows 10. Check with the manufacturer for support. 
> What are my options here?  I do not want to buy a new pc just to 
> upgrade.  Are there drivers that will work with this display that 
> windows will work with?  I have a hp desktop  that came with windows 8.0 
> and since I have upgraded to windows 10.  I did not have this problem 
> when updating then.  What do I need to do?  Thanks for any help here.  Rick
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Google Chrome

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Don,
In Chrome favorites are called bookmarks. You can press Alt+F followed by B, to 
access the Bookmarks menu in Chrome. Control+D is the shortcut to open the add 
Bookmark dialog that can be used to quickly add the current web page to your 
Bookmarks. 
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Google Chrome

Is there a shortcut in Chrome to bring up your favorites?
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: g mal shirt cuts windows 10

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Don,
Gmail keyboard shortcuts will be the same regardless of your browser and 
operating system. You might already know this but Browse Mode needs to be 
turned off to use them. Also, most of the useful keyboard shortcuts need to be 
enabled before you can use them. Here is a link to the Google support page that 
includes instructions for enabling the keyboard shortcuts a comprehensive list: 
 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6594?hl=enn#.
Best,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On August 2, 2016 8:25:45 PM Don Smith via Talk  
wrote:

> Hi:
>
> Any chance  a kind soul can give me the keyboard shortcuts for g mail and
> windows 10 if any?
>
> Thanks
>
> Don
>
>  
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: update on Microsoft Edge (my final response on this thread, maybe? )

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Fact 6, Rome was not built in a day. Does that mean Rome doesn't exist today? 
In other words, accessibility is not trivial to implement. In fact, it is 
downright hard to do and requires the efforts of brilliant and passionate 
engineers. I sure wish you could appreciate that fact if no other. Recognizing 
this truth might encourage you to stop attacking the people that are trying to 
help. In closing, can't we all just get along?

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com

On August 2, 2016 7:53:00 PM Kevin Barry  wrote:

fact number five, the edge browser is not accessible to screen readers. Making 
your fax immaterial

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon via Talk 
mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com>> wrote:
Hi Vaughn,
Regretfully, I don't have any specifics to share regarding how close 
Window-Eyes is to adding official support for Edge. But, the advancements we 
are seeing in Edge seem like a good indicator that 3rd party screen reader 
support is not too far off in the distance.
Best,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On August 2, 2016 7:23:53 PM Vaughan Dodd 
> wrote:

> Hi Marc.
>
> I'm perhaps tempting fate - are you signaling that in fact, Window-eyes is 
> close to having the interface we need?
>
> I can check for myself as to the real user's experience of course when the 
> anniversary of Windows 10 gets to a machine near me.
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
> Understand if non-disclosure still applies.
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing or 
> faxing any new referrals.
>
> Vaughan Dodd, Regional Disability Advisor.
>
> Desk2desk: 97187.
> Email: vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz.
> For referrals: email fax_gnlis001_health_disabil...@msd.govt.nz.
>
> Our up-to-date desk file is located at:
> http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com]
>  On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2016 11:07 a.m.
> To: Kevin Barry
> Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge (my final response on this thread, I 
> promise )
>
> Fact number 1: Microsoft Edge used to accessibly support 0 percent of HTML5 
> features.
> Fact number 2: In less than 12 months, Microsoft Edge now accessibly supports 
> 100 percent of HTML5 features.
> Fact number 3: Microsoft Edge now accessibly supports more HTML5 features 
> than any other major browser.
> Fact number 4: Web browsers accessibly supporting HTML5 features will make 
> the web more usable for people who use assistive technology including screen 
> reader users
> Source: 
> www.html5accessibility.com<http://www.html5accessibility.com><http://www.html5accessibility.com>
>  (curated by The Paciello Group, a globally recognized leader in digital 
> accessibility) Explanation of terms – HTML5 features “accessibly supported” 
> by a web browser includes if they are keyboard accessible, mapped to the 
> platform accessibility APIs, and if any accessibility related features are 
> supported. An accessibly supported feature means it is usable by people who 
> rely on assistive technology, without developers having to supplement with 
> ARIA or other additional workarounds.
>
> From: Kevin Barry [mailto:krba...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 6:23 PM
> To: Marc Solomon >
> Cc: Rick Thomas >; Window-Eyes Discussion 
> List >; Portia Scott 
> >
> Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge
>
> As soon as Microsoft make some progress, please share it with us. In the 
> meantime, please stop apologizing for their inexcusable choices.
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon 
> <mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com>>
>  wrote:
> Kevin,
> You are entitled to your opinion. As an advocate for the screen reader and 
> accessibility communities, I believe that constructive dialogue, eduction, 
> and cooperation is a formula for positive change. I will continue to share 
> facts about the progress being made by Microsoft in the realm of 
> accessibility. And, I sincerely hope that in the near future users of screen 
> readers will have access to another web browser under Windows.
> Marc
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
> On August 2, 2016 5:31:15 PM Kevin Barry 
> > wrote:
>
> Simply put, I believe edge shall never be accessible. Microsoft has decided 
> to screw screen reader users over and that is that. To add insult to injury, 
> we must evidently put up with people who should 

RE: update on Microsoft Edge (my final response on this thread, I promise )

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Vaughn,
Regretfully, I don't have any specifics to share regarding how close 
Window-Eyes is to adding official support for Edge. But, the advancements we 
are seeing in Edge seem like a good indicator that 3rd party screen reader 
support is not too far off in the distance.
Best,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On August 2, 2016 7:23:53 PM Vaughan Dodd  wrote:

> Hi Marc.
>
> I'm perhaps tempting fate - are you signaling that in fact, Window-eyes is 
> close to having the interface we need?
>
> I can check for myself as to the real user's experience of course when the 
> anniversary of Windows 10 gets to a machine near me.
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
> Understand if non-disclosure still applies.
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing or 
> faxing any new referrals.
>
> Vaughan Dodd, Regional Disability Advisor.
>
> Desk2desk: 97187.
> Email: vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz.
> For referrals: email fax_gnlis001_health_disabil...@msd.govt.nz.
>
> Our up-to-date desk file is located at: 
> http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2016 11:07 a.m.
> To: Kevin Barry
> Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge (my final response on this thread, I 
> promise )
>
> Fact number 1: Microsoft Edge used to accessibly support 0 percent of HTML5 
> features.
> Fact number 2: In less than 12 months, Microsoft Edge now accessibly supports 
> 100 percent of HTML5 features.
> Fact number 3: Microsoft Edge now accessibly supports more HTML5 features 
> than any other major browser.
> Fact number 4: Web browsers accessibly supporting HTML5 features will make 
> the web more usable for people who use assistive technology including screen 
> reader users
> Source: www.html5accessibility.com<http://www.html5accessibility.com> 
> (curated by The Paciello Group, a globally recognized leader in digital 
> accessibility) Explanation of terms – HTML5 features “accessibly supported” 
> by a web browser includes if they are keyboard accessible, mapped to the 
> platform accessibility APIs, and if any accessibility related features are 
> supported. An accessibly supported feature means it is usable by people who 
> rely on assistive technology, without developers having to supplement with 
> ARIA or other additional workarounds.
>
> From: Kevin Barry [mailto:krba...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 6:23 PM
> To: Marc Solomon 
> Cc: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> ; Portia Scott 
> Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge
>
> As soon as Microsoft make some progress, please share it with us. In the 
> meantime, please stop apologizing for their inexcusable choices.
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon 
> mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com>> wrote:
> Kevin,
> You are entitled to your opinion. As an advocate for the screen reader and 
> accessibility communities, I believe that constructive dialogue, eduction, 
> and cooperation is a formula for positive change. I will continue to share 
> facts about the progress being made by Microsoft in the realm of 
> accessibility. And, I sincerely hope that in the near future users of screen 
> readers will have access to another web browser under Windows.
> Marc
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
> On August 2, 2016 5:31:15 PM Kevin Barry > 
> wrote:
>
> Simply put, I believe edge shall never be accessible. Microsoft has decided 
> to screw screen reader users over and that is that. To add insult to injury, 
> we must evidently put up with people who should know better making apologies 
> for microsoft and trying to explain why black is white.
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon 
> <mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com>>
>  wrote:
> Well said Rick! To reiterate an important point in my previous post, end to 
> end accessibility is a team effort. Microsoft only has control over the OS 
> and browser. The screen reader has to be updated to support the accessibility 
> architecture of the OS and browser. VFO is actively working on making this 
> happen.
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com]
>  On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:51 PM
> To: 'Kevin Barry' >; 
> 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
&g

RE: update on Microsoft Edge (my final response on this thread, I promise )

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Fact number 1: Microsoft Edge used to accessibly support 0 percent of HTML5 
features.
Fact number 2: In less than 12 months, Microsoft Edge now accessibly supports 
100 percent of HTML5 features.
Fact number 3: Microsoft Edge now accessibly supports more HTML5 features than 
any other major browser.
Fact number 4: Web browsers accessibly supporting HTML5 features will make the 
web more usable for people who use assistive technology including screen reader 
users
Source: www.html5accessibility.com<http://www.html5accessibility.com> (curated 
by The Paciello Group, a globally recognized leader in digital accessibility)
Explanation of terms – HTML5 features “accessibly supported” by a web browser 
includes if they are keyboard accessible, mapped to the platform accessibility 
APIs, and if any accessibility related features are supported. An accessibly 
supported feature means it is usable by people who rely on assistive 
technology, without developers having to supplement with ARIA or other 
additional workarounds.

From: Kevin Barry [mailto:krba...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 6:23 PM
To: Marc Solomon 
Cc: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; Portia Scott 
Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge

As soon as Microsoft make some progress, please share it with us. In the 
meantime, please stop apologizing for their inexcusable choices.

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon 
mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com>> wrote:
Kevin,
You are entitled to your opinion. As an advocate for the screen reader and 
accessibility communities, I believe that constructive dialogue, eduction, and 
cooperation is a formula for positive change. I will continue to share facts 
about the progress being made by Microsoft in the realm of accessibility. And, 
I sincerely hope that in the near future users of screen readers will have 
access to another web browser under Windows.
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com

On August 2, 2016 5:31:15 PM Kevin Barry > 
wrote:

Simply put, I believe edge shall never be accessible. Microsoft has decided to 
screw screen reader users over and that is that. To add insult to injury, we 
must evidently put up with people who should know better making apologies for 
microsoft and trying to explain why black is white.

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon 
<mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com>>
 wrote:
Well said Rick! To reiterate an important point in my previous post, end to end 
accessibility is a team effort. Microsoft only has control over the OS and 
browser. The screen reader has to be updated to support the accessibility 
architecture of the OS and browser. VFO is actively working on making this 
happen.
-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:51 PM
To: 'Kevin Barry' >; 'Window-Eyes 
Discussion List' >; 
'Portia Scott' >
Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge

If the Accessibility Tree reflects the browser and the page contents it is then 
up to the screen reader to use the tree properly and produce the audio outputs 
accordingly.
Thus if the browser handles the new objects and the tree reflects the browser 
contents it is up to the screen reader to produce quality output.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:37 PM
To: Portia Scott >; 
Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>
Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge

So, he edge browser is accessible for HTML5, but not accessible for screen 
readers. This does not appear to demonstrate Microsoft's commitment to 
anything. Unless you count wishing to appear committed. If we cannot use the 
browser, all else is irrelevant.

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Portia Scott via Talk < 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> I definitely find this pretty interesting. Someone on Twitter was
> saying that edge is actually accessible. Although, you have to tab a lot.
>
> I haven't really tested this, and I am not on my Windows machine at
> the moment. But I thought I would mention this to the list.
>
> Portia.
> > On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Marc Solomon via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com > wrote:
> >
> > Many of you on the list have voiced concerns about the lack of
> accessibility and screen reader compatibility in Microsoft Edge (the
> new web browser in Windows 10). Yes, Microsoft dropped the ball by
> releasing a non-accessible solution when Windows 10 first shipped.
> There is nothing we can do to change that. But, I wanted to share some
> information that was just released that helps demonstrate Microsoft's
> commitment to accessibility and the improvements that have been made to Edge.
> >

Re: update on Microsoft Edge

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Kevin,
You are entitled to your opinion. As an advocate for the screen reader and 
accessibility communities, I believe that constructive dialogue, eduction, and 
cooperation is a formula for positive change. I will continue to share facts 
about the progress being made by Microsoft in the realm of accessibility. And, 
I sincerely hope that in the near future users of screen readers will have 
access to another web browser under Windows.
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com

On August 2, 2016 5:31:15 PM Kevin Barry  wrote:

Simply put, I believe edge shall never be accessible. Microsoft has decided to 
screw screen reader users over and that is that. To add insult to injury, we 
must evidently put up with people who should know better making apologies for 
microsoft and trying to explain why black is white.

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon 
mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com>> wrote:
Well said Rick! To reiterate an important point in my previous post, end to end 
accessibility is a team effort. Microsoft only has control over the OS and 
browser. The screen reader has to be updated to support the accessibility 
architecture of the OS and browser. VFO is actively working on making this 
happen.
-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:51 PM
To: 'Kevin Barry' >; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' >; 'Portia Scott' 
>
Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge

If the Accessibility Tree reflects the browser and the page contents it is then 
up to the screen reader to use the tree properly and produce the audio outputs 
accordingly.
Thus if the browser handles the new objects and the tree reflects the browser 
contents it is up to the screen reader to produce quality output.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:37 PM
To: Portia Scott >; Window-Eyes Discussion 
List >
Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge

So, he edge browser is accessible for HTML5, but not accessible for screen 
readers. This does not appear to demonstrate Microsoft's commitment to 
anything. Unless you count wishing to appear committed. If we cannot use the 
browser, all else is irrelevant.

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Portia Scott via Talk < 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> I definitely find this pretty interesting. Someone on Twitter was
> saying that edge is actually accessible. Although, you have to tab a lot.
>
> I haven't really tested this, and I am not on my Windows machine at
> the moment. But I thought I would mention this to the list.
>
> Portia.
> > On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Marc Solomon via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com > wrote:
> >
> > Many of you on the list have voiced concerns about the lack of
> accessibility and screen reader compatibility in Microsoft Edge (the
> new web browser in Windows 10). Yes, Microsoft dropped the ball by
> releasing a non-accessible solution when Windows 10 first shipped.
> There is nothing we can do to change that. But, I wanted to share some
> information that was just released that helps demonstrate Microsoft's
> commitment to accessibility and the improvements that have been made to Edge.
> > First, a little background. HTML5 is the latest version of the
> > markup
> language used to write web pages. This new specification includes many
> new elements that have potential to make web pages more accessible and
operable
> from the keyboard. In order for this all to work, both the web browser
> and assistive technology have to implement support for the HTML5
specification.
> And, the web page developer has to use the HTML5 markup correctly when
> authoring the page. There are more technical complexities involved for
> creating an accessible experience, but this is a good place to start.
> > Here is an example of how a new HTML5 element could improve
> accessibility.  A web page author can use the new  element to
> indicate the main content on a web page. The web browser can map the

> element to a landmark element in the accessibility API (application
> programming interface). This API can then communicate to a screen
> reader that there is a main content landmark available on the page.
> The screen reader can provide the user with a hotkey to navigate to
> the main content landmark. As you can see, a carefully orchestrated
> effort must take place in order for accessibility to happen. Okay,
> that is the end of the
lecture.
> Thanks for staying awake.
> > The website www.html5accessibility<http://www.html5accessibility>
> > was
> created to document the current lev

RE: For the computer geeks on the list,

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

As usual, we are on the same page.  Keep these great tips coming!
Best,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On August 2, 2016 4:56:41 PM Rebecca Lineberger  
wrote:

> Hi Marc,
> I have my Start Menu stripped down to look like Windows 7.  No recently used 
> apps, or most frequently used apps, or whatever the categories were,  and 
> nothing pinned to the Start Menu.  I did add Downloads and Documents to the 
> Start Menu on the left side because I find that more convenient than going to 
> the desktop.
> I didn't have to tab at all.  I never used the All Apps button because I 
> either used the Search box to start a program like Word, or I pinned what I 
> use most often to the Task Bar and used the Windows key 1 through whatever to 
> get to what I want.
> If I have to go down another level to get to the Power button I may just shut 
> the computer down or restart or put it to sleep from the alt-f4 shortcut from 
> the Desktop.  Less cumbersome.
> And there's always Windows key-x.  Unless they've made changes there too.
> Thanks for the explanation of what is soon to come.  Smile.
> Rebecca
> -Original Message-
> From: Marc Solomon [mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 1:28 PM
> To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: For the computer geeks on the list,
>
> Hi Rebecca,
> I just logged into my Windows 10 PC and it looks like the anniversary update 
> has been applied and I have the updated Start menu you eluded to. The good 
> news is that the Cortana search box is still there. So, the process of 
> opening the Start menu and performing a search has not change. What has 
> changed is where you will find other Start menu elements that used to be at 
> the bottom of the first column. Here is a quick rundown of the changes:
> 1. When you open the Start menu, you will now find three columns instead of 
> two.
> 2. At the top of column one (you can get to it by Tabbing), you will find the 
> Settings hamburger menu. They call it a hamburger menu because visually it is 
> represented by three horizontal lines (i.e. top bun, burger, bottom bun). It 
> doesn't actually say Settings anywhere.
> 3. When you activate the Settings menu, it will expand and give you access to 
> the stuff that used to be at the bottom of column one of the old style 
> Windows 10 start menu (e.g. File Explorer, Settings and Power). These items 
> are presented in a vertical list you can Arrow through. Please note that you 
> can't wrap around when you get to the bottom or top.
> 4. At the top of column two is the Most used and Suggested apps lists. This 
> is the same as before. Below these items is the All apps list. And, as you 
> pointed out, the full list of apps is automatically displayed without having 
> to activate an All apps button. The All apps button is gone.
> 5. In the third column, you still have a two dimensional grid of apps that 
> have been pinned to the Start menu. I personally recommend removing all items 
> from this area as it can be difficult to navigate and find items here. This 
> customization will simplify the Start menu and make it only two columns.
> Bottom line for me, the search box is still probably the fastest and most 
> efficient way to find and open a program. And, it might take an extra step or 
> two to get to the Settings app or Shut down options in the Start menu. But, 
> there are other ways you can access these items such as hotkeys or the Quick 
> Access menu.
> Best,
> Marc
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 9:20 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: For the computer geeks on the list,
>
> Here's a link that discusses changes in the August 2nd upgrade.
>
> Two changes of possible interest:
>
> The reviewer  from Computer World says:
>
> "Probably the best change is that the All Apps list appears when you click
> the  Start button, so that you immediately see an alphabetical, scrollable
> list of all the apps and desktop applications on your PC. Before this, you
> had to first click the Start button, then click All Apps. Saving a single
> click might not sound that important, but until this update, I rarely found
> myself using All Apps. Now I use  it all the time."
>
> Nice for him, perhaps, but I want the search box when I press the Windows
> key!  We'll see.
>
> Also, he says:
>
> "There's one change to Cortana that a lot of people might not like: You
> can't  remove it or turn it off. Before this update you could go to
> Cortana's settings and move the slider from On to Off. No longer. Now
> Cortana is always on.
>
>  However, you can limit what the digital assistant knows about you. Click in
> the Cortana search bar, then click the Settings icon (it looks like a cog)
> on the left side of the pane that appears. Turn off what you see 

RE: update on Microsoft Edge

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Well said Rick! To reiterate an important point in my previous post, end to end 
accessibility is a team effort. Microsoft only has control over the OS and 
browser. The screen reader has to be updated to support the accessibility 
architecture of the OS and browser. VFO is actively working on making this 
happen. 
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:51 PM
To: 'Kevin Barry' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
; 'Portia Scott' 
Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge

If the Accessibility Tree reflects the browser and the page contents it is then 
up to the screen reader to use the tree properly and produce the audio outputs 
accordingly.
Thus if the browser handles the new objects and the tree reflects the browser 
contents it is up to the screen reader to produce quality output.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:37 PM
To: Portia Scott ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge

So, he edge browser is accessible for HTML5, but not accessible for screen 
readers. This does not appear to demonstrate Microsoft's commitment to 
anything. Unless you count wishing to appear committed. If we cannot use the 
browser, all else is irrelevant.

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Portia Scott via Talk < 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> I definitely find this pretty interesting. Someone on Twitter was 
> saying that edge is actually accessible. Although, you have to tab a lot.
>
> I haven't really tested this, and I am not on my Windows machine at 
> the moment. But I thought I would mention this to the list.
>
> Portia.
> > On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Marc Solomon via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com > wrote:
> >
> > Many of you on the list have voiced concerns about the lack of
> accessibility and screen reader compatibility in Microsoft Edge (the 
> new web browser in Windows 10). Yes, Microsoft dropped the ball by 
> releasing a non-accessible solution when Windows 10 first shipped. 
> There is nothing we can do to change that. But, I wanted to share some 
> information that was just released that helps demonstrate Microsoft's 
> commitment to accessibility and the improvements that have been made to Edge.
> > First, a little background. HTML5 is the latest version of the 
> > markup
> language used to write web pages. This new specification includes many 
> new elements that have potential to make web pages more accessible and
operable
> from the keyboard. In order for this all to work, both the web browser 
> and assistive technology have to implement support for the HTML5
specification.
> And, the web page developer has to use the HTML5 markup correctly when 
> authoring the page. There are more technical complexities involved for 
> creating an accessible experience, but this is a good place to start.
> > Here is an example of how a new HTML5 element could improve
> accessibility.  A web page author can use the new  element to 
> indicate the main content on a web page. The web browser can map the

> element to a landmark element in the accessibility API (application 
> programming interface). This API can then communicate to a screen 
> reader that there is a main content landmark available on the page. 
> The screen reader can provide the user with a hotkey to navigate to 
> the main content landmark. As you can see, a carefully orchestrated 
> effort must take place in order for accessibility to happen. Okay, 
> that is the end of the
lecture.
> Thanks for staying awake.
> > The website www.html5accessibility<http://www.html5accessibility> 
> > was
> created to document the current level of HTML5 accessibility support 
> in each of the major browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox, Internet 
> Explorer and Safari). The website first lists each browser and the 
> percentage of HTML5 elements that are accessibly supported. Then, 
> there are tables showing
each
> HTML5 element's current support in the major browsers. This website is 
> updated frequently. At the beginning of this year, Edge had a score of 0%.
> As of today, it now has a score of 100%. And, it is the only major 
> browser that now accessibly supports all HTML5 features. Edge has 
> leapfrogged all of the other browsers, even the mighty Firefox which 
> had been at the top
of
> the list for quite some time. This robust HTML5 support in Edge is a 
> true testament to Microsoft's commitment to accessibility. And, I for 
> one give them kudos for this outstanding accomplishment. Now, back to 
> yo

update on Microsoft Edge

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Many of you on the list have voiced concerns about the lack of accessibility 
and screen reader compatibility in Microsoft Edge (the new web browser in 
Windows 10). Yes, Microsoft dropped the ball by releasing a non-accessible 
solution when Windows 10 first shipped. There is nothing we can do to change 
that. But, I wanted to share some information that was just released that helps 
demonstrate Microsoft's commitment to accessibility and the improvements that 
have been made to Edge.
First, a little background. HTML5 is the latest version of the markup language 
used to write web pages. This new specification includes many new elements that 
have potential to make web pages more accessible and operable from the 
keyboard. In order for this all to work, both the web browser and assistive 
technology have to implement support for the HTML5 specification. And, the web 
page developer has to use the HTML5 markup correctly when authoring the page. 
There are more technical complexities involved for creating an accessible 
experience, but this is a good place to start.
Here is an example of how a new HTML5 element could improve accessibility.  A 
web page author can use the new  element to indicate the main content on 
a web page. The web browser can map the  element to a landmark element in 
the accessibility API (application programming interface). This API can then 
communicate to a screen reader that there is a main content landmark available 
on the page. The screen reader can provide the user with a hotkey to navigate 
to the main content landmark. As you can see, a carefully orchestrated effort 
must take place in order for accessibility to happen. Okay, that is the end of 
the lecture. Thanks for staying awake.
The website www.html5accessibility was created 
to document the current level of HTML5 accessibility support in each of the 
major browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox, Internet Explorer and Safari). The 
website first lists each browser and the percentage of HTML5 elements that are 
accessibly supported. Then, there are tables showing each HTML5 element's 
current support in the major browsers. This website is updated frequently. At 
the beginning of this year, Edge had a score of 0%. As of today, it now has a 
score of 100%. And, it is the only major browser that now accessibly supports 
all HTML5 features. Edge has leapfrogged all of the other browsers, even the 
mighty Firefox which had been at the top of the list for quite some time. This 
robust HTML5 support in Edge is a true testament to Microsoft's commitment to 
accessibility. And, I for one give them kudos for this outstanding 
accomplishment. Now, back to your regular programming.
Best,
Marc
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: windows 10 update

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Don, this update appears to get installed like any other critical Windows 
update. So, as long as you have Windows update configured to download and 
install critical updates, you should receive it automagically.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: windows 10 update

So is there a place that you can manually download the big Windows 10 
anniversary update?
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: For the computer geeks on the list,

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Rebecca,
I just logged into my Windows 10 PC and it looks like the anniversary update 
has been applied and I have the updated Start menu you eluded to. The good news 
is that the Cortana search box is still there. So, the process of opening the 
Start menu and performing a search has not change. What has changed is where 
you will find other Start menu elements that used to be at the bottom of the 
first column. Here is a quick rundown of the changes:
1. When you open the Start menu, you will now find three columns instead of 
two. 
2. At the top of column one (you can get to it by Tabbing), you will find the 
Settings hamburger menu. They call it a hamburger menu because visually it is 
represented by three horizontal lines (i.e. top bun, burger, bottom bun). It 
doesn't actually say Settings anywhere. 
3. When you activate the Settings menu, it will expand and give you access to 
the stuff that used to be at the bottom of column one of the old style Windows 
10 start menu (e.g. File Explorer, Settings and Power). These items are 
presented in a vertical list you can Arrow through. Please note that you can't 
wrap around when you get to the bottom or top.
4. At the top of column two is the Most used and Suggested apps lists. This is 
the same as before. Below these items is the All apps list. And, as you pointed 
out, the full list of apps is automatically displayed without having to 
activate an All apps button. The All apps button is gone.
5. In the third column, you still have a two dimensional grid of apps that have 
been pinned to the Start menu. I personally recommend removing all items from 
this area as it can be difficult to navigate and find items here. This 
customization will simplify the Start menu and make it only two columns.
Bottom line for me, the search box is still probably the fastest and most 
efficient way to find and open a program. And, it might take an extra step or 
two to get to the Settings app or Shut down options in the Start menu. But, 
there are other ways you can access these items such as hotkeys or the Quick 
Access menu.
Best,
Marc
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 9:20 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: For the computer geeks on the list, 

Here's a link that discusses changes in the August 2nd upgrade.

Two changes of possible interest:

The reviewer  from Computer World says:

"Probably the best change is that the All Apps list appears when you click
the  Start button, so that you immediately see an alphabetical, scrollable
list of all the apps and desktop applications on your PC. Before this, you
had to first click the Start button, then click All Apps. Saving a single
click might not sound that important, but until this update, I rarely found
myself using All Apps. Now I use  it all the time."

Nice for him, perhaps, but I want the search box when I press the Windows
key!  We'll see.

Also, he says:

"There's one change to Cortana that a lot of people might not like: You
can't  remove it or turn it off. Before this update you could go to
Cortana's settings and move the slider from On to Off. No longer. Now
Cortana is always on. 

 However, you can limit what the digital assistant knows about you. Click in
the Cortana search bar, then click the Settings icon (it looks like a cog)
on the left side of the pane that appears. Turn off what you see there, such
as your search  history, device history and so on."

I know Window-Eyes disables Edge as the default browser in the search box
for us.  It would be great if it also kept the start search box when we
press the Start menu key.  But we'll have to wait and see how this works.

For more:

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3101968/microsoft-windows/review-window
s-10-anniversary-update-good-bad-meh-video.html

Rebecca

 

 

A mind is like a parachute.  It doesn't work if it isn't open.

 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: How Do I Turn Off Foreign Language Recognition?

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

In Window-Eyes 9.5.1, you can configure this verbosity option in the 
Window-Eyes control panel Settings tree. Open Verbosity then Browse Mode and 
select Languages. Press F6 to navigate to the options area. Then, Tab down and 
look for a radio button group called "Switch synthesizer languages 
automatically". This option should be in the same place in older versions of 
Window-Eyes too. 
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 1:40 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: How Do I Turn Off Foreign Language Recognition?

I’m using WE 8.4, and some setting got changed somewhere along the line so that 
now, on some websites, and in some email messages, WE starts speaking in 
foreign accents. I’ve looked around a fair bit to see what setting I need to 
change to turn this language recognition back off, but haven’t been able to 
find it.
Could someone direct me to where I need to go to turn this off? It’s harder to 
understand WE when it’s speaking in a British accent.
Thanks.
Evan
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: we9.5.1 update crashes win7 pro 64b desktop

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

This issue has been posted and answered numerous times over the past week. 
 The high level technical explanation is that need to install the Windows 
update to allow your system to recognize SHA-256 signing certificates. I 
believe that if you install all required and critical Windows updates, the 
necessary update will be included.
Regards,
Marc
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of tt8 via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 8:50 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: we9.5.1 update crashes win7 pro 64b desktop

When I installed the we 9.5.1 upgrade on win 7 pro 64 b desk hp computer after 
the restart the pc received about 15 errors and would not go to desktop saying 
something like:
bad image then refer to files gwmhook and another ddl after receiving sighted 
help to close error messages, I had to remove we from program and tried the 
second time after reinstalling we 9.2 from scratch, with the same 15 errors, 
how can I resolve this problem?
Tony
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Place Markers Not Working

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Richard,
There is a file named Placemarkers.xml in the Window-Eyes user profile 
directory that contains a list of custom place markers. So, if you were to back 
this file up before upgrading and then copy it over (overwrite the empty 
version) after upgrading, it might do the trick. 
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 9:32 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Place Markers Not Working

This evening I installed the upgrade to version 9.5 and this seems to have
remedied the problem.

Even when all is working well, place markers seem to be lost during
upgrades. Is there any way they can be retained through an upgrade?

Richard Petty

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 9:25 AM
To: 'Larry Higgins'; 'Aaron Smith'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Place Markers Not Working

I have logged out and back in and restarted my computer. This is with We.
9.4. Attempting to access place marker or to create a new marker results in
a error "ding" from the system. 

Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Larry Higgins [mailto:larryhiggin...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 6:11 PM
To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Richard Petty
Subject: Re: Place Markers Not Working

Richard, try loging out and back in again, and maybe this will take care 
of the problem. This happens to me more frequently than I like, and this 
is the only semi consistent way I can remedy the problem. This sure can 
be annoying at times. I haven't tried using any of mine since installing 
the new version, so I can't speak to this directly, but give it a try.

On 7/29/2016 2:07 PM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Hi, Richard.
>
> I'm not able to duplicate this using Win 10 x64/IE 11. Placemarkers are
working for me as expected.
>
> What operating system and browser are you using?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/richard.petty%
40earthlink.net.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Creating a folder in Outlook 2016

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Mike,
I am thinking you want to create a new email folder in Outlook. Here are the 
steps you could use to create a new email folder called "saved email" that is a 
child folder of the Inbox folder:
1. From your email message list, press Shift-Tab to focus the email folder 
tree/navigation pane.
2. Select the Inbox folder using first letter navigation or Up/Down Arrow
3. Open the context menu by pressing the application's key or Shift-F10.
4. Select New Folder in the context menu using Up/Down Arrow and press Enter.
5. Type in "saved email" and Enter to assign this name to the new email folder
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Massey via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:04 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Creating a folder in Outlook 2016

Hi, all.  Sorry, but I'm having a brain freeze.  I am trying to create a
folder using Outlook 2016 on my laptop running the latest Window-eyes under
Windows 7 home 64 bit edition.  I have a saved e-mail folder on my desktop
computer running Windows 10 and the latest version of Window-eyes.  But for
the life of me I can't remember how to create a folder that I wish to call
saved e-mail.  I have been trying for about five minutes.  I just need a
refresh of my memory, smile.  I know that when the steps are explained, I'm
gonna think "oh yeah, now I remember, grin.  Thanks.  

 

Mike M. 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: focus issues in firefox

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Jed,
When you are focused in an exit box with browse mode off, I wouldn't expect Up 
and Down Arrow to speak anything. Those cursor keys are designed to move the 
cursor to the previous or next line. Since a standard edit box is a single 
line, you can't go up or down. I would recommend you Arrow Left or Right to 
move the cursor by character or use the speak field data hotkey Control+Shift+D 
to verify the text you have entered.
Regards,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 30, 2016 1:08:29 PM Jed Barton via Talk  
wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> OK, this is a very frustrating problem and i need some ansers.  When i 
> am filling out a form on the web, window-eyes will often lose foxus. 
> I'll be typing in an edit box, and will go up and down with the arrow 
> keys and i hear absolutely nothing.  The only way to even get it to 
> remotely work, is to tab or shift tab and re-focus.  Honestly guys, this 
> is very annoying and pretty bad.  Any ideas why this happens?  There has 
> to be a reason why.
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: trying to retrieve my serial number for my gwoffice installation, and fixing a weird glitch in windows 10

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Scott,
When you purchased your voices/serial number for the free version of 
Window-Eyes, you were emailed an order confirmation and serial number 
authorization file. If you no longer have the original email or serial number 
authorization file, you will need to contact our office and request we resend 
the file. I hope this helps.
Best,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 30, 2016 10:46:13 AM Scott Shade via Talk  
wrote:

> Hello all.  I’m trying to re-install window-eyes on my windows 10 machine 
> after I noticed that for some reason, when I try to tab to the start button, 
> it will say it, then put me on the task bar.  I uninstalled it after doing an 
> online deactivation of my license, only to discover, that I don’t know how to 
> get my license number back.  I thought I had the license program on this 
> machine, but for some reason I can’t find it.  I’ve looked in my downloads 
> folder, and I’m trying to see if its in any of my drop box folders, but, so 
> far, I’m confused.  How do I fix this weird start menu issue, and get my 
> personalized copy back?  It would have been registered under Scott Shade, 
> though the email address might have been different.  Thanks much,
>   Scott
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: OK, One Last Message, Simpler Way

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Great find Rebecca, this customization could help a lot of keyboard users! I 
just checked and these keyboard shortcuts also work on Windows 8.1.
Best,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 29, 2016 10:25:15 AM Rebecca Lineberger via Talk 
 wrote:

> I tried the way listed in the first link I sent yesterday, and it's even
> simpler.  Smile.
>
> Items don't have to be de-selected first.
>
> To get a simple list view, similar to file explorer with no details, simply
> press control-shift 5.  If you want more details, the size of the shortcut
> for example, Press control-shift 6.  If you want your original view back
> (medium icons), press control-shift 3. 
>
> As usual, Microsoft has given us 15 ways of doing something.
>
> Back underneath my rock now.
>
> And back, for the List, to the discussion of other Window-Eyes issues or
> hints.
>
> Rebecca
>
>  
>
> A mind is like a parachute.  It doesn't work if it isn't open.
>
>  
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: windyes stop speakingafter upgrade

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Davy,
Just to clarify, we didn't need NVDA until after the update was installed and 
the computer rebooted. And, most users were able to install the update without 
any issues or need for NVDA. Ai Squared has a beta testing team that vets all 
new versions of Window-Eyes before they are released to the public. But, it is 
impossible to account for all possible combinations of hardware and software 
being used by the Window-Eyes community. So, issues showing up after a release 
are bound to happen. That is the nature of software. Thanks for your patience 
and understanding.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Davy Cuppens [mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 5:47 AM
To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: windyes stop speakingafter upgrade

Hi Marc

It went the same way like you mentioned here in Belgium, I needed to start NVDA 
to complete installation.

One question I have not meant as critics: maybe if this package had been 
betatested, the less problems people should have encountered. I am sure that 
for advanced windows users like you and me, it is only a little annoyance but 
we will overcome, but for maybe some beginners this is really difficult stuff.

Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 7:14 PM
To: Brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: windyes stop speakingafter upgrade

I helped a client download and install the 9.5.1 update on two machines this 
morning. One was a Windows 7 desktop and the other was a Windows 10 laptop. 
I always go to the update website and download the installer instead of 
choosing the option that runs the update as soon as it is downloaded. Using 
this strategy seems to lessen the chance of issues but does not eliminate them 
altogether.
For example, after installing the update on the Windows 7 PC and rebooting, 
Window-Eyes was not reading anything useful. It wouldn't read the Desktop, 
Start Menu or Window-Eyes control panel. It would only echo keystrokes when 
they were pressed. We then launched NVDA just so we could restart the PC. 
After the second reboot, Window-Eyes came up talking and everything was working 
as expected. The update went flawlessly on the Windows 10 laptop. 
No issues at all.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:18 PM
To: talk window eyes 
Subject: windyes stop speakingafter upgrade

wineyes stop working after new release. once the system rebooted, wineyes was 
no where to be found. From the run dialog I type wineyes.exe and hit enter and 
I received an error message. I did a print screen was all that a big of a file, 
some where around 7,000 kb. Working with NVDA isn't all the pleasant. Anyone 
else having this same issue?
window vista, current wineyes release.

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/davycuppens%40gmail.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com 



___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: W-E upgrade to version 5.1.0went without a hitch!

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

The Window-Eyes setup program (for updates and upgrades) is designed to be used 
with your current version of Window-Eyes running. It is not a self-voicing 
application. So, as long as you don't turn Window-Eyes off first, you will have 
speech throughout the entire setup process. After rebooting, the new version of 
Window-Eyes should come up speaking automatically. 
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:11 PM
To: Bob Tinney ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: W-E upgrade to version 5.1.0went without a hitch!

I upgraded one machine smoothly, which is better than previous attempts.
How ever, I would really like it if the installation dialogue would read 
without me running NVDA. Windows 8.1  professional

On Thursday, July 28, 2016, Bob Tinney via Talk 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> I always download the upgrade file before I run it as I've always had 
> better luck doing that.
>
>
> W-E seems to load and unload faster and is more responsive in general.  
> I can now edit file names on the desktop, but still can't edit file 
> names in any windows explorer folder.
>
>
> --
>
> Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/krbarry%
> 40gmail.com
> .
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>


--
Sent from Kevin's iPhone.
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: windyes stop speakingafter upgrade

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

I helped a client download and install the 9.5.1 update on two machines this 
morning. One was a Windows 7 desktop and the other was a Windows 10 laptop. I 
always go to the update website and download the installer instead of choosing 
the option that runs the update as soon as it is downloaded. Using this 
strategy seems to lessen the chance of issues but does not eliminate them 
altogether. 
For example, after installing the update on the Windows 7 PC and rebooting, 
Window-Eyes was not reading anything useful. It wouldn't read the Desktop, 
Start Menu or Window-Eyes control panel. It would only echo keystrokes when 
they were pressed. We then launched NVDA just so we could restart the PC. After 
the second reboot, Window-Eyes came up talking and everything was working as 
expected. The update went flawlessly on the Windows 10 laptop.  No issues at 
all.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:18 PM
To: talk window eyes 
Subject: windyes stop speakingafter upgrade

wineyes stop working after new release. once the system rebooted, wineyes was 
no where to be found. From the run dialog I type wineyes.exe and hit enter and 
I received an error message. I did a print screen was all that a big of a file, 
some where around 7,000 kb. Working with NVDA isn't all the pleasant. Anyone 
else having this same issue?
window vista, current wineyes release. 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: how can I install window eyes

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Oops, my mistake. Apparently, Window-Eyes 9.2 was the first version that was 
compatible with Windows 10. With that said, I would suggest you install 9.5.1 
as it has a number of fixes specific to Window 10.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:00 AM
To: David Pearson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: how can I install window eyes

You need Window-Eyes 9.4 or newer for Window-Eyes 10 compatibility. As another 
list member recommended, you can contact support and provide your serial number 
to receive a download link for a full installer of the most recent version of 
Window-Eyes. 
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of David Pearson via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 7:23 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: how can I install window eyes

Dear list,

 After I did the windows 10 upgrade there are things window eyes would not 
read. So I removed window eyes. I have a window eyes .zip file of version 9.3 
and I burned it's contents onto a CD, I also put it onto a flash drive. Now 
when I try to install window eyes from either the CD or the flash drive I'm 
told that this version of window eyes is not compatible with this version of 
windows. Does anyone know what the problem could be? Thanks,

 Dave

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Win 10 pending update

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Don, you are reading the info correctly. Edge is still not fully compatible 
with screen readers. I am sure Microsoft and AT manufacturers will send out an 
announcement once Edge is officially supported.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:39 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Win 10 pending update

If I am reading the info correctly in the WE 9.5.1 update readme just released 
when the upcoming Win 10 update is released Edge is still not recommended for 
use with a screen Reader as it says that with a screen reader present IE will 
be the default browser.
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: how can I install window eyes

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

You need Window-Eyes 9.4 or newer for Window-Eyes 10 compatibility. As another 
list member recommended, you can contact support and provide your serial number 
to receive a download link for a full installer of the most recent version of 
Window-Eyes. 
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of David Pearson via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 7:23 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: how can I install window eyes

Dear list,

 After I did the windows 10 upgrade there are things window eyes would not 
read. So I removed window eyes. I have a window eyes .zip file of version 9.3 
and I burned it's contents onto a CD, I also put it onto a flash drive. Now 
when I try to install window eyes from either the CD or the flash drive I'm 
told that this version of window eyes is not compatible with this version of 
windows. Does anyone know what the problem could be? Thanks,

 Dave

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Free Windows 10 Upgrade

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Trish,
Here is a link to the Microsoft blog post that provides all of the publicly 
available information on this topic: 
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/06/accessibility-and-the-windows-10-free-upgrade/.
 It basically states that the deadline won't apply to people who use assistive 
technology and that you need to stay tuned for more details on the free offer.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Patricia Krinke [mailto:krinke1...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:52 PM
To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade

Mark,

Would you please give us the address to sign up for the extension date of 
Windows 10 for accessibility?

Thanks,


Trish

-Original Message-
From: Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:25 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade

Microsoft has extended the free Windows 10 upgrade offer beyond July 29 for 
persons with disabilities. They are also planning a big anniversary update on 
August 2 that includes numerous accessibility improvements. Edge is getting 
closer to becoming compatible with third party screen readers. You can read 
more here: 
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/.
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 26, 2016 5:26:33 AM Rick Thomas via Talk  
wrote:

> Hi: I run windows 8.1 and understand the Windows 10 upgrade is free 
> until july 29 so wonder if anyone has upgraded to windows 10 and how 
> it went including the new, supposedly more accessible, Edge browser.
> Rick USA
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/krinke1968%40hotmail.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com 



___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Free Windows 10 Upgrade

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Sure. But keep in mind that these issues aren't specific to Windows 10 or 
Office 2016. From time to time, when you first open an Office document, there 
is a focus issue which prevents Window-Eyes from reading anything. The 
workaround is to focus the Desktop (press Windows Key+D) and then move focus 
back to the Office application using Alt+Tab. I also find that Window-Eyes does 
not always announce the focused item when you open the context menu in Word. 
The workaround is to go to the next menu item with Down Arrow and then move 
back up with Up Arrow. You could also use the read current line or speak 
summary hotkey to announce the first menu item. 
Best,
Marc
-Original Message-
From: Peter Duran [mailto:peterduran2...@outlook.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 11:51 AM
To: Marc Solomon ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Free Windows 10 Upgrade

Hello again

"But, there were a few intermittent issues that had  to be worked around."
Can you give us a list of those issues and workarounds so we don't have to 
figure out them ourselves?

Pthanks, Peter


-Original Message-
From: Marc Solomon [mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:44 AM
To: Peter Duran; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Free Windows 10 Upgrade

Hi Peter,
Since Microsoft Office includes standalone applications that are not part of 
the Windows 10 operating system, I don't believe the Windows 10 Anniversary 
Update will have a major impact on their current level of accessibility. I just 
taught a three day class using Windows 10 and Office 2016. Overall, the 
applications played well with the screen reader and provided a similar 
experience compared to using older versions of Office and Windows. But, there 
were a few intermittent issues that had to be worked around. 
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Peter Duran [mailto:peterduran2...@outlook.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:17 AM
To: Marc Solomon ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Free Windows 10 Upgrade

Hello Mark

Thanks for the link to the Accessibility Blog; MS is indeed committed to 
accessible products for all users.  I remember when Bill Gates announced the 
commitment during a developer's conference at Microsoft many years ago when 
Doug and Dan were much younger.

The mentioned improvements to Narrator, Edge, and so on are impressive!  But 
what is the state of accessibility to Office apps (Word, Excel, etc.) with 
Narrator and Window-Eyes in the to-be-released Windows 10 update on August 2, 
2016?  Afterall, Office accdessibility is a cornerstone to success in college 
and business.

Thanks, Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook....@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:25 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade

Microsoft has extended the free Windows 10 upgrade offer beyond July 29 for 
persons with disabilities. They are also planning a big anniversary update on 
August 2 that includes numerous accessibility improvements. Edge is getting 
closer to becoming compatible with third party screen readers. You can read 
more here:
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on
-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/.
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 26, 2016 5:26:33 AM Rick Thomas via Talk  
wrote:

> Hi: I run windows 8.1 and understand the Windows 10 upgrade is free 
> until july 29 so wonder if anyone has upgraded to windows 10 and how 
> it went including the new, supposedly more accessible, Edge browser.
> Rick USA
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40ais
quared.com.
> For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/peterduran2015
%40outlook.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com






___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Square

RE: Free Windows 10 Upgrade

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Peter,
Since Microsoft Office includes standalone applications that are not part of 
the Windows 10 operating system, I don't believe the Windows 10 Anniversary 
Update will have a major impact on their current level of accessibility. I just 
taught a three day class using Windows 10 and Office 2016. Overall, the 
applications played well with the screen reader and provided a similar 
experience compared to using older versions of Office and Windows. But, there 
were a few intermittent issues that had to be worked around. 
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Peter Duran [mailto:peterduran2...@outlook.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:17 AM
To: Marc Solomon ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Free Windows 10 Upgrade

Hello Mark

Thanks for the link to the Accessibility Blog; MS is indeed committed to 
accessible products for all users.  I remember when Bill Gates announced the 
commitment during a developer's conference at Microsoft many years ago when 
Doug and Dan were much younger.

The mentioned improvements to Narrator, Edge, and so on are impressive!  But 
what is the state of accessibility to Office apps (Word, Excel, etc.) with 
Narrator and Window-Eyes in the to-be-released Windows 10 update on August 2, 
2016?  Afterall, Office accdessibility is a cornerstone to success in college 
and business.

Thanks, Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:25 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade

Microsoft has extended the free Windows 10 upgrade offer beyond July 29 for 
persons with disabilities. They are also planning a big anniversary update on 
August 2 that includes numerous accessibility improvements. Edge is getting 
closer to becoming compatible with third party screen readers. You can read 
more here:
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on
-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/.
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 26, 2016 5:26:33 AM Rick Thomas via Talk  
wrote:

> Hi: I run windows 8.1 and understand the Windows 10 upgrade is free 
> until july 29 so wonder if anyone has upgraded to windows 10 and how 
> it went including the new, supposedly more accessible, Edge browser.
> Rick USA
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40ais
quared.com.
> For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/peterduran2015
%40outlook.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com



___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Microsoft has extended the free Windows 10 upgrade offer beyond July 29 for 
persons with disabilities. They are also planning a big anniversary update on 
August 2 that includes numerous accessibility improvements. Edge is getting 
closer to becoming compatible with third party screen readers. You can read 
more here: 
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/.
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 26, 2016 5:26:33 AM Rick Thomas via Talk  
wrote:

> Hi: I run windows 8.1 and understand the Windows 10 upgrade is free until
> july 29 so wonder if anyone has upgraded to windows 10 and how it went
> including the new, supposedly more accessible, Edge browser.
> Rick USA
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Is There Any Way of Using the New Mail Ap In Windows 10?

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Here is an article on configuring the Windows 10 Mail app for use with a screen 
reader that I came across a few weeks back on the Flying Blind Top Tech Tidbits 
Newsletter: 
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/thread/uwa_bulletin_mail_app_can/2196671?p=,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2196671.
 Good luck!
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 5:53 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Is There Any Way of Using the New Mail Ap In Windows 10?

Hi Guys,
I’m using the latest Window-Eyes and  brand new Windows 10 laptop.  I’ve been 
able to set up a few email accounts in the Mail ap, but I am unable to get to 
the options, as it is just a picture or something, of something that looks like 
a cog.  Without being able to get to the options, I cannot turn the preview 
pane off, or adjust any other settings.  Has anyone found a way round this?  I 
was informed that Window-Eyes did not fully work with the ap by a Microsoft 
tech, so I would have had to agree to let him take control of my machine, and 
he would do all the adjustments I wanted, not happening, or I could purchase a 
copy of Outlook.  I’ve also tried finding this options cog with Jaws, NVDA and 
Narrator, all without any luck, what email software are folks using on their 
machines?  I have installed WLM, but the tech guy from Microsoft was not happy, 
and made a point of telling me that it was not supported!

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Regards.
Jim.

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Help with Pandora

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Mike, the last time I checked, there was very little keyboard accessibility on 
Panora's website. In other words, if you can't use the physical mouse, you 
might not be able to use certain features on the site. Hopefully, the website 
is more accessible since the last time I tested it.
Best,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 23, 2016 10:22:43 AM Mike Rogers via Talk  
wrote:

> I've been using Hope ap with Pandora.  The other day, some kind of error 
> popped up and it no longer works.  My computer tech can't get it to work 
> anymore.  I tried just going to Pandora, but W.E. won't take me to my music 
> stations.  Firefox won't give me much help as no mouse keys work.  How do you 
> use Pandora without the Hope ap.  Amy suggestions  appreciated.
>
> 
>
> www.harmonicaworkshops.com
> www.woodeneyemusic.com
>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: If my laptop has a touchscreen

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Robin,
I have been using a touchscreen laptop with Window-Eyes for a few years and 
haven't had any problems. And, issueing a single finger tap gesture on the 
touch screen to get out of a jam as you described would work fine with 
Window-Eyes running. This action would have the same result as single clicking 
with the physical mouse.
Best,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 21, 2016 11:46:54 PM "Van Lant, Robin via Talk" 
 wrote:

> Hi all,
> As I look at new laptop choices, the off the shelf ones I'm seeing at local 
> stores that are in my desired price range and specs also have touchscreens.  
> My recollection is that WE 9.4 does not yet have touch screen support, so my 
> question is whether having a touch screen is problematic.  Any of you have 
> one?  I do have limited vision and have wondered if I might be able to touch 
> a button if I can't get my mouse where I want, but I don't know if this 
> causes any issues for WE.  Or maybe  there is a way to turn off the touch 
> screen?  I don't really want to pay for this feature, but it's seemingly more 
> prevalent on laptops in the stores.
> Robin
>
> This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It 
> is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or 
> privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you 
> are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, 
> copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received 
> this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and 
> destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. 
>
> This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, 
> solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or 
> sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as 
> investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, 
> indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein 
> is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without 
> notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or 
> to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the 
> individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.
>
> The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative 
> employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member 
> NYSE/FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank 
> N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital 
> Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A.
>
> 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114
>
> If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services 
> from Key send an e-mail to dnereque...@key.com 
> with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: router suggestions

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Good question. I have heard rumors that it is usable. I believe Chris from our 
support team has some experience using the web interface used by the DD-WRT 
firmware. He might have some insight to share.
Best,
Marx

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 21, 2016 7:35:23 AM Jed Barton  wrote:

> I forgot to ask, does it have an accessible web interface?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Marc Solomon via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If you are looking for a wireless router, you may want to check out the 
>> offerings from Buffalo. Good bang for your buck. I purchased mine earlier 
>> this year from Amazon for under $100 and the unit has been rock solid.
>> I read allot of reviews first and this unit was a great value and met my 
>> needs (dual band 5GHz and 2.4GHz, 802.11ac, and DD-WRT firmware). Here is 
>> the model: BUFFALO AirStation Extreme AC1750 Gigabit Dual Band Open Source 
>> DD-WRT Wireless Router (WZR-1750DHPD).
>> Best,
>> Marc
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On July 20, 2016 6:23:09 PM Jed Barton via Talk 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> OK, i need to get a new router.  Perhaps some of you guys can comment, 
>>> perhaps it's me, but the quality of routers seems to be really going 
>>> down hill.  I've had this linksys for about 2 years and it's nearly 
>>> shot.  Put it this way, we measured the speed of my cable modem, it's 60 
>>> megs download, and when i tested it upstairs with speedtest on my iphone 
>>> it went down to 20 megs.  I really suspect the signal is just not 
>>> getting out.  I need to fix this once  and for all.  Any ideas?
>>> ___
>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>> 
>>> For membership options, visit 
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
>>> For subscription options, visit 
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>> List archives can be found at 
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> 
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> 
>> For membership options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jed%40jedbarton.com.
>> For subscription options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: router suggestions

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

If you are looking for a wireless router, you may want to check out the 
offerings from Buffalo. Good bang for your buck. I purchased mine earlier this 
year from Amazon for under $100 and the unit has been rock solid.
I read allot of reviews first and this unit was a great value and met my needs 
(dual band 5GHz and 2.4GHz, 802.11ac, and DD-WRT firmware). Here is the model: 
BUFFALO AirStation Extreme AC1750 Gigabit Dual Band Open Source DD-WRT Wireless 
Router (WZR-1750DHPD).
Best,
Marc



Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 20, 2016 6:23:09 PM Jed Barton via Talk  
wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need to get a new router.  Perhaps some of you guys can comment, 
> perhaps it's me, but the quality of routers seems to be really going 
> down hill.  I've had this linksys for about 2 years and it's nearly 
> shot.  Put it this way, we measured the speed of my cable modem, it's 60 
> megs download, and when i tested it upstairs with speedtest on my iphone 
> it went down to 20 megs.  I really suspect the signal is just not 
> getting out.  I need to fix this once  and for all.  Any ideas?
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Using Twitter with WE

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

I recorded a webinar a while back that includes a demo of using Window-Eyes on 
Twitter's full website. Overall, the site is very well designed and is a great 
example of an accessible web application with keyboard shortcuts built right 
in. Here is a link to the webinar MP3 recording: 
http://getwindoweyes.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Presentations/audio/ExploreNewFeaturesWE9.mp3.
 The demo of Twitter starts around the 13 minute mark.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 11:29 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Using Twitter with WE

I'm just starting to use Twitter again and I'm using the mobile site using IE.  
Is there a way I can bring up a list of those that I'm following?  Is there an 
app that would work better with Twitter?





-- 

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Words being split

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Brice,
The site you told me you experienced this problem on (att.net) does in fact 
have hyphenated words wrapping from one visual line to the next. For example: 
get - ting, outra - geous, etc. This would help explain why you are hearing 
words being split. This is not a Window-Eyes issue as the screen reader is just 
respecting how the text is displayed on the page.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:04 PM
To: talk window eyes 
Subject: Words being split

My last message showed up with the context of the message mysteriously lost 
somewhere in cyber space. Question, is there way to prevent words in a news 
story from being split at the end of a line using FX? I'm not even sure the 
words being split , are split at scilibles. 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: selecting text and f8 key

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Control-A and Control-C to select all and copy worked for me while in Browse 
Mode. I tested this out using Internet Explorer 11, Windows 8.1 and Window-Eyes 
9.4.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 1:24 PM
To: Don Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: selecting text and f8 key

Shift-down arrow only works when browse mode is off.  Do not press f8 if 
browse mode is off.  I'm not sure if control-a, followed by control-c 
work when browse mode is on.  How much text do you want to select?

On 7/14/2016 12:57 PM, Don Smith via Talk wrote:
> Hi Folks:
>
>
>
> Could somebody clarify for me the difference between shiftand arrows keys
> selecting text and f8 at the beginning of text and f8 at the end of text you
> want selected:
>
>
>
> It seems both work but in different situations
>
>
>
> Also, I note that not always f8 at beginning of text and  f8 again will
> select the text from beginning to end..
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Don
>
>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> .
>
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: selecting text and f8 key

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Don,
Here is a knowledge base article that explains the F8 text selection for Browse 
Mode: www.gwmicro.com/kb2064. There is a link in the article to an MP3 audio 
demonstration of using this functionality. If you are not in Browse Mode, use 
the traditional text selection techniques that use Shift and cursor keys (e.g. 
Up Arrow, Down Arrow, Left Arrow, Right Arrow, Home, End, etc.).
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 12:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: selecting text and f8 key

Hi Folks:

 

Could somebody clarify for me the difference between shiftand arrows keys
selecting text and f8 at the beginning of text and f8 at the end of text you
want selected:

 

It seems both work but in different situations

 

Also, I note that not always f8 at beginning of text and  f8 again will
select the text from beginning to end..  

 

Thanks

Don

 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Question About Word 2010 Key Strokes

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Robert,
I suspect that Alt-F is still opening the File tab in the ribbon, but 
intermittently you aren't getting any speech feedback from Window-Eyes. I have 
seen this in the past and is probably related to a focus issue. In more recent 
versions of Office and Windows, this issue seems to be less common. So, 
Rod's suggestion is a good workaround to try. You can also try arrowing up and 
down after pressing Alt-F to see if the menu items are announced by 
Window-Eyes. I also wanted to make sure you knew that there is a keyboard 
shortcut built into Word that executes the Save As command. The shortcut is 
F12. I can't think of a faster way to open up the Save As dialog in an Office 
application. Also, there is a comprehensive Window-Eyes webinar on Word 2013 
and much of it applies to Word 2010. Part 1 covers navigating the Ribbon. Here 
is a link to the MP3 recording: 
http://getwindoweyes.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Presentations/audio/Word2013.mp3. 
Hope that helps.
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 9:19 PM
To: 'Robert Ringwald' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Question About Word 2010 Key Strokes

Hi Bob,

Try Alt, release it, then F, release it, and then you should be able to use 
arrow keys to make a selection.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 5:20 PM
To: Talk 
Subject: Question About Word 2010 Key Strokes

While in a Word 2010 document, I used to be able to hit alt F. This would give 
me several choices such as Save, Don’t Save, Exit, Close, Save As.

I use the Save As to make a copy for back up or for a template. 

All of a sudden, for no reason at all, the alt F does nothing. 

How can I get this key stroke back?




Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet Fulton Street Jazz Band 
(Dixieland/Swing) 916/ 806-9551 Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

"The most terrifying words In the English language are:
I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
-Ronald Reagan
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Words being split

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Window-Eyes now respects and reads the visual lines of text that are displayed 
on a webpage page. So, if the article has lines of text with words hyphenated 
at the end, that is what Window-Eyes will speak. Providing a specific example 
would be helpful. For example, is there a web page that you can duplicate this 
issue consistently on? Also, what version of Window-Eyes, speech synthesizer 
and Windows are you using?  Help us help you.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:04 PM
To: talk window eyes 
Subject: Words being split

My last message showed up with the context of the message mysteriously lost 
somewhere in cyber space. Question, is there way to prevent words in a news 
story from being split at the end of a line using FX? I'm not even sure the 
words being split , are split at scilibles. 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Neospeech was Re: window-Eyes 10

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

RJ, I would encourage you and netbat to work together and report the issue 
through the appropriate technical support channels. 
Best, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 13, 2016 9:03:34 AM RJ Sandefur  wrote:

> Marc, I'm using window eyes 9.4, windows ten, 64 bit, and I'm having the 
> same issue, when using microsoft speach platform. RJ
>
>
> On 7/12/2016 9:44 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote:
>> Have you contacted support to report this issue? If so, was the issue 
>> reproduced or acknowledged as a bug? Do you have an official bug report 
>> number to track the issue?
>>
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>
>>
>> On July 12, 2016 9:29:09 PM net bat  wrote:
>>
>>> will neospeech paul and kate access be fixed with version 10?
>>> i have the 16 bit version stand alone from 2005., sapi 5
>>> when i use read to end on any web page it will go so far and stop or it 
>>> will go
>>> so far and goback and re read the page over and over again. then stop 
>>> talking
>>> and i have to reload w e to get speech back.
>>> it  does the same with ivona jennifer. it works fine with reed.
>>> what i think is happening is w e 9.4 will  dump the contents from the buffer
>>> and reload it and start reading again.
>>> ed.
>>>
>>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com.
>> For subscription options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Neospeech was Re: window-Eyes 10

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Have you contacted support to report this issue? If so, was the issue 
reproduced or acknowledged as a bug? Do you have an official bug report number 
to track the issue? 

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 12, 2016 9:29:09 PM net bat  wrote:

> will neospeech paul and kate access be fixed with version 10?
> i have the 16 bit version stand alone from 2005., sapi 5
> when i use read to end on any web page it will go so far and stop or it will 
> go 
> so far and goback and re read the page over and over again. then stop talking 
> and i have to reload w e to get speech back.
> it  does the same with ivona jennifer. it works fine with reed.
> what i think is happening is w e 9.4 will  dump the contents from the buffer 
> and reload it and start reading again.
> ed. 
>
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: window-Eyes 10

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

The release date for the next version of Window-Eyes is not known. Ai Squared 
will send out an announcement to this list when the next version is ready. 
Best, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 12, 2016 8:51:48 PM Charles Short via Talk  
wrote:

> Hello, when will Window-Eyes 10 be available?
>
>
> Charlie Short
>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: I can't get the link to work

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Paulette,
What is the exact Web address of the page you are having trouble with? 
Regards, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 10, 2016 9:12:28 PM Paulette Vickery via Talk 
 wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>  
>
> I am using Windows 7 and Window Eyes 9.4. I am on the Philosophy make up and
> shower gel site. I am looking at their Christmas in July 50 percent off
> sale. I am trying to enter on a link that does in fact say, link, to show
> that you are to enter there. But, when I press enter, nothing happens. What
> should I do? I have tried pressing the space bar and nothing happens and
> pressing control-A. I still can't go to the link. This is frustrating,
> please help.
>
>  
>
> Paulette
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: PDF documents

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Don,
Here is a link to an Adobe support article with instructions on forcing PDFs to 
open in Adobe Reader instead of your browser: 
https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/using/display-pdf-in-browser.html. You can also 
save the PDF file to your computer using the link's context menu and then open 
it in Adobe Reader. Pressing Enter on a PDF link in a web browser using default 
settings leads to a poor experience for screen reader users. 
Best, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 7, 2016 9:14:08 PM Don H via Talk  wrote:

> I am running Windows 10 and Acrobat reader DC with the latest version of WE.
> When I go to a web site where there are PDF files to view after opening 
> them I can't return to the web page from where the PDF link was.  How 
> can I change this behavior so I can read the PDF then return to the web 
> site I was on?
> Thanks
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Asus PC and window eyes

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Worst case scenario, you can get a USB keyboard with a standard layout for $15. 
Here is one I found on NewEgg.com: 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109077. 

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne [mailto:russ94...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 9:19 AM
To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes

I called Asus and they told me this keyboard only has one windows key.  I 
wonder if there is a way of remapping the other key to become a windows key?

-Original Message-
From: Marc Solomon
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 9:37 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes

Hopefully BestBuy can answer your question.

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 6, 2016 8:50:36 AM Russ Kiehne  wrote:

> The computer came from Bestbuy.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Marc Solomon
> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:34 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes
>
> You could try calling the company you bought the PC from.
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On July 5, 2016 9:13:31 AM Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>
>> Outside of having a sighted person look at the keyboard, is there a 
>> way of finding out what this key does?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Marc Solomon
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 6:56 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Russ Kiehne
>> Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes
>>
>> It might be a function (FN) key. You see this key showing up on more 
>> keyboards these days.
>>
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>
>>
>> On July 5, 2016 8:39:39 AM Tony C via Talk 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The windows key that you are talking about not doing anything, 
>>> probally isn't a windows key. There are so many different 
>>> configurations of keyboard now days. You have to pay very close 
>>> attention to what keyboard you get with your PC and if you are 
>>> buying a keyboard either wireless or whatever make sure the keyboard 
>>> you choose has the keys present that you need with Window eyes or 
>>> whatever your are using.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:23 AM
>>> To: Janet Brandly ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes
>>>
>>> Speaking of Asus computers, I just bought a Asus desktop computer 
>>> and found the following:
>>>
>>> on my old computer, on the right side of the spacebar, I had the ald 
>>> key, the windows key, the applications key and control key.  On this 
>>> new desktop, the Windows key doesn't do anything?  Anyone have any 
>>> idea why this is?
>>> The
>>> Windows key on the left side of the Spacebar does work.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Janet Brandly via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 8:13 AM
>>> To: Jo Taliaferro ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes
>>>
>>> Hi Jo and All,
>>>
>>> I also have an Asus laptop. I was very surprised to discover the 
>>> lack of the keys you mention. I have set my caps lock key to act as 
>>> the insert key.
>>> The
>>> page-up, page-down, and other functions have to be performed using 
>>> the function key combined with the control and shift keys. When I 
>>> have to do a lot of typing, I use an external keyboard. When I 
>>> bought the computer, I didn't even thhink to ask whether these keys 
>>> were present; I just assumed.
>>> Silly me!
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Jo Taliaferro via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:06 AM
>>> To: Talk
>>> Subject: Asus PC and window eyes
>>>
>>> I have an Asus PC and believe it or not, I cannot find the insert 
>>> page up our page down keys Ashley, this is a Zen book so I'm sure 
>>> the keyboard is limited. What do you all use and what is your 
>>> experience with a Bluetooth keyboard? Sorry, should be actually. I 
>>> have windows 10 on the computer and Microsoft support removed my 
>>> version of window eyes when they were
>>> reinstalling office 2016 for me.   I would like to use Microsoft outlook
>>> but
>>> no one seems to be able to get Outlook to work with my other 
>>> Microsoft office programs, especially Microsoft word. I feel very 
>>> stuck and have wanted to figure this out on my own and now I'm in 
>>> way over my head. Any help please I did ask for a link from the 
>>> support staff but apparently it did not come through. Spyware is web 
>>> root which Best Buy installed for me.
>>> It might be blocking The installation of other software. I can tell 
>>> it's going to be a long day
>>>
>>> Jo Taliaferro
>>> ___
>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of 
>>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>>
>>> For membership options, visit
>>> http

RE: Window Eyes with referencing software

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Yusuf,
I don't have any experiencing using EndNote with a screen reader. But, the 
manufacturer did create a Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (VPAT) that 
describes the level of accessibility support EndNote provides per Section 508 
standards. I read through the VPAT and the document claims that the majority of 
the application is compatible with screen readers but that there are some 
exceptions. You can review the VPAT by opening the PDF found here: 
http://endnote.com/sites/en/files/support/endnote-x7-vpat.pdf. 
HTH,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Yusuf Osman via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:43 AM
To: Window Eyes Talk (talk@lists.window-eyes.com) 
Subject: Window Eyes with referencing software

Does anyone have experience with using Window Eyes with something like EndNote? 
I'm looking for a piece of software that will help me to ensure that my 
references and bibliography are correctly formatted etc. I'm using the latest 
version of WE and Windows7 also Office 2016.
Cheers
Yusuf
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: reading an ebook

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

That type of eBook is designed to be read with Adobe Digital Editions. Check 
out this link to learn more about Adobe Digital Editions and its accessibility 
support: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/category/digital-editions.
Best, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 6, 2016 7:15:49 PM BK via Talk  wrote:

> Hello, I have an ebook with an .ACSM extension. Can someone recommend a
> speech friendly way to read it? Thanks.
>
> Butch
> -- 
> BK 
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Asus PC and window eyes

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hopefully BestBuy can answer your question. 

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 6, 2016 8:50:36 AM Russ Kiehne  wrote:

> The computer came from Bestbuy.
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Marc Solomon
> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:34 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes
>
> You could try calling the company you bought the PC from.
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On July 5, 2016 9:13:31 AM Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>
>> Outside of having a sighted person look at the keyboard, is there a way of
>> finding out what this key does?
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Marc Solomon
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 6:56 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Russ Kiehne
>> Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes
>>
>> It might be a function (FN) key. You see this key showing up on more
>> keyboards these days.
>>
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>
>>
>> On July 5, 2016 8:39:39 AM Tony C via Talk 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The windows key that you are talking about not doing anything, probally
>>> isn't a windows key. There are so many different configurations of
>>> keyboard
>>> now days. You have to pay very close attention to what keyboard you get
>>> with
>>> your PC and if you are buying a keyboard either wireless or whatever make
>>> sure the keyboard you choose has the keys present that you need with
>>> Window
>>> eyes or whatever your are using.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- 
>>> From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:23 AM
>>> To: Janet Brandly ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes
>>>
>>> Speaking of Asus computers, I just bought a Asus desktop computer and
>>> found
>>> the following:
>>>
>>> on my old computer, on the right side of the spacebar, I had the ald key,
>>> the windows key, the applications key and control key.  On this new
>>> desktop,
>>> the Windows key doesn't do anything?  Anyone have any idea why this is?
>>> The
>>> Windows key on the left side of the Spacebar does work.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- 
>>> From: Janet Brandly via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 8:13 AM
>>> To: Jo Taliaferro ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes
>>>
>>> Hi Jo and All,
>>>
>>> I also have an Asus laptop. I was very surprised to discover the lack of
>>> the
>>> keys you mention. I have set my caps lock key to act as the insert key.
>>> The
>>> page-up, page-down, and other functions have to be performed using the
>>> function key combined with the control and shift keys. When I have to do 
>>> a
>>> lot of typing, I use an external keyboard. When I bought the computer, I
>>> didn't even thhink to ask whether these keys were present; I just 
>>> assumed.
>>> Silly me!
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>> -Original Message- 
>>> From: Jo Taliaferro via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:06 AM
>>> To: Talk
>>> Subject: Asus PC and window eyes
>>>
>>> I have an Asus PC and believe it or not, I cannot find the insert page up
>>> our page down keys Ashley, this is a Zen book so I'm sure the keyboard is
>>> limited. What do you all use and what is your experience with a Bluetooth
>>> keyboard? Sorry, should be actually. I have windows 10 on the computer 
>>> and
>>> Microsoft support removed my version of window eyes when they were
>>> reinstalling office 2016 for me.   I would like to use Microsoft outlook
>>> but
>>> no one seems to be able to get Outlook to work with my other Microsoft
>>> office programs, especially Microsoft word. I feel very stuck and have
>>> wanted to figure this out on my own and now I'm in way over my head. Any
>>> help please I did ask for a link from the support staff but apparently it
>>> did not come through. Spyware is web root which Best Buy installed for 
>>> me.
>>> It might be blocking The installation of other software. I can tell it's
>>> going to be a long day
>>>
>>> Jo Taliaferro
>>> ___
>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
>>> author
>>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>>
>>> For membership options, visit
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jbrandly%40shaw.ca.
>>> For subscription options, visit
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>> List archives can be found at
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
>>> author
>>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>>
>>> For membership options, visit
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com.
>>> For subscription options, visit
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.co

Re: Asus PC and window eyes

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

You could try calling the company you bought the PC from.

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 5, 2016 9:13:31 AM Russ Kiehne  wrote:

> Outside of having a sighted person look at the keyboard, is there a way of 
> finding out what this key does?
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Marc Solomon
> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 6:56 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Russ Kiehne
> Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes
>
> It might be a function (FN) key. You see this key showing up on more 
> keyboards these days.
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On July 5, 2016 8:39:39 AM Tony C via Talk  
> wrote:
>
>> The windows key that you are talking about not doing anything, probally
>> isn't a windows key. There are so many different configurations of 
>> keyboard
>> now days. You have to pay very close attention to what keyboard you get 
>> with
>> your PC and if you are buying a keyboard either wireless or whatever make
>> sure the keyboard you choose has the keys present that you need with 
>> Window
>> eyes or whatever your are using.
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:23 AM
>> To: Janet Brandly ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes
>>
>> Speaking of Asus computers, I just bought a Asus desktop computer and 
>> found
>> the following:
>>
>> on my old computer, on the right side of the spacebar, I had the ald key,
>> the windows key, the applications key and control key.  On this new 
>> desktop,
>> the Windows key doesn't do anything?  Anyone have any idea why this is? 
>> The
>> Windows key on the left side of the Spacebar does work.
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Janet Brandly via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 8:13 AM
>> To: Jo Taliaferro ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes
>>
>> Hi Jo and All,
>>
>> I also have an Asus laptop. I was very surprised to discover the lack of 
>> the
>> keys you mention. I have set my caps lock key to act as the insert key. 
>> The
>> page-up, page-down, and other functions have to be performed using the
>> function key combined with the control and shift keys. When I have to do a
>> lot of typing, I use an external keyboard. When I bought the computer, I
>> didn't even thhink to ask whether these keys were present; I just assumed.
>> Silly me!
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Jan
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Jo Taliaferro via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:06 AM
>> To: Talk
>> Subject: Asus PC and window eyes
>>
>> I have an Asus PC and believe it or not, I cannot find the insert page up
>> our page down keys Ashley, this is a Zen book so I'm sure the keyboard is
>> limited. What do you all use and what is your experience with a Bluetooth
>> keyboard? Sorry, should be actually. I have windows 10 on the computer and
>> Microsoft support removed my version of window eyes when they were
>> reinstalling office 2016 for me.   I would like to use Microsoft outlook 
>> but
>> no one seems to be able to get Outlook to work with my other Microsoft
>> office programs, especially Microsoft word. I feel very stuck and have
>> wanted to figure this out on my own and now I'm in way over my head. Any
>> help please I did ask for a link from the support staff but apparently it
>> did not come through. Spyware is web root which Best Buy installed for me.
>> It might be blocking The installation of other software. I can tell it's
>> going to be a long day
>>
>> Jo Taliaferro
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>> author
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jbrandly%40shaw.ca.
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>> author
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com.
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>> author
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net.
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinf

Re: Asus PC and window eyes

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

It might be a function (FN) key. You see this key showing up on more keyboards 
these days. 

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 5, 2016 8:39:39 AM Tony C via Talk  wrote:

> The windows key that you are talking about not doing anything, probally 
> isn't a windows key. There are so many different configurations of keyboard 
> now days. You have to pay very close attention to what keyboard you get with 
> your PC and if you are buying a keyboard either wireless or whatever make 
> sure the keyboard you choose has the keys present that you need with Window 
> eyes or whatever your are using.
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:23 AM
> To: Janet Brandly ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes
>
> Speaking of Asus computers, I just bought a Asus desktop computer and found
> the following:
>
> on my old computer, on the right side of the spacebar, I had the ald key,
> the windows key, the applications key and control key.  On this new desktop,
> the Windows key doesn't do anything?  Anyone have any idea why this is?  The
> Windows key on the left side of the Spacebar does work.
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Janet Brandly via Talk
> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 8:13 AM
> To: Jo Taliaferro ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Asus PC and window eyes
>
> Hi Jo and All,
>
> I also have an Asus laptop. I was very surprised to discover the lack of the
> keys you mention. I have set my caps lock key to act as the insert key. The
> page-up, page-down, and other functions have to be performed using the
> function key combined with the control and shift keys. When I have to do a
> lot of typing, I use an external keyboard. When I bought the computer, I
> didn't even thhink to ask whether these keys were present; I just assumed.
> Silly me!
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jan
> -Original Message- 
> From: Jo Taliaferro via Talk
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:06 AM
> To: Talk
> Subject: Asus PC and window eyes
>
> I have an Asus PC and believe it or not, I cannot find the insert page up
> our page down keys Ashley, this is a Zen book so I'm sure the keyboard is
> limited. What do you all use and what is your experience with a Bluetooth
> keyboard? Sorry, should be actually. I have windows 10 on the computer and
> Microsoft support removed my version of window eyes when they were
> reinstalling office 2016 for me.   I would like to use Microsoft outlook but
> no one seems to be able to get Outlook to work with my other Microsoft
> office programs, especially Microsoft word. I feel very stuck and have
> wanted to figure this out on my own and now I'm in way over my head. Any
> help please I did ask for a link from the support staff but apparently it
> did not come through. Spyware is web root which Best Buy installed for me.
> It might be blocking The installation of other software. I can tell it's
> going to be a long day
>
> Jo Taliaferro
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jbrandly%40shaw.ca.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com 
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/p

Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Larry, 
The intention of my last email was two fold:
1. Confirm that Lou provided the correct techniques for interacting with combo 
boxes
2. Clarify that Alt-Down is not the correct technique for navigating choices in 
a combo box
In your defense, there is a known issue in Window-Eyes related to combo boxes. 
This issue is not consistent but happens enough to be a pretty big annoyance. I 
regret not presenting this information before going on my rant about proper 
techniques. If you were in any way offended by my recent correspondence, I 
sincerely apologize. 
Sincerely,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 2, 2016 11:08:43 PM Larry Higgins  wrote:

> Just for the record, I also did exactly what Lou recommended, although 
> I've been doing these very steps ever since Windows 95, and they have, 
> without exception, always worked. However for some reason, these steps 
> don't always accomplish the desired results. Apparently, judging by a 
> number of posts about this issue since yesterday afternoon,  this has 
> been the experience of other veteran users of Window-Eyes as well, so I 
> don't think it fair to assume that we are all just dunces that just 
> can't follow instructions.
>
> Man, I can't believe I'm being this snarky, but I really don't know of 
> any other way to react to the assumption that this has to be the fault 
> of the user. This feature is simply not apparently one of the more 
> stable features of Window-Eyes. It may work just fine on the same page 
> tonight, then on this very night I can go to another page on a different 
> site entirely which contains the same style of combo box, and the 
> feature may not work at all.
>
> I really don't wish to blame WE for this issue, if indeed the blame 
> would be more properly placed upon Windows 10, but please don't assume 
> that just because I do the correct thing automatically means that I will 
> get the desired results, maybe I will, or maybe I wont.
>
> I think I've stated the case just about as clearly as it can be stated 
> by me this evening at least.
>
> As I've said before, these combo boxes aren't inaccessible, I can press 
> the desired letter and then tab to the go button and get where I wish to 
> go, but I am not likely to be able to simply press enter and get right 
> to that go button, or pass go and get the listing I am looking for.
>
> Hope this semi rant helps in your understanding of my situation. It 
> really isn't a show stopper, just an annoyance.
>
> Have a happy 4th,
>
> Larry
>
> On 7/2/2016 9:07 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Lou,
>> Thanks for taking the time to test this on your PC. I am glad to hear that 
>> the author combo box on BARD is working well for you and others when using 
>> the correct techniques. The steps you listed in your message follow best 
>> practices for interacting with combo boxes. And, I wanted to clarify that 
>> these keyboard techniques are not tied directly to Window-Eyes. This 
>> keyboard support (i.e. Alt-Down to open, Up/Down or first letter navigation 
>> to change selection, Enter to close) is built right into the combo box 
>> control and web browser whether you are using a screen reader or not. 
>> Holding down Alt while Down Arrowing is not the correct technique for 
>> navigating through the options in a combo box and is not a Window-Eyes 
>> feature.
>> Best,
>> Marc
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
>> Of via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:07 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> Subject: RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site
>>
>> Hey, Larry.
>>
>> I don't remember ever having an issue on the BARD web site. I just went 
>> there and logged in and did this.
>>
>> Pressed the letter C to jump to the author's last name combo box.
>> Pressed enter to exit browse mode.
>> Pressed and released Alt-down arrow to expand the combo box.
>> Note: At this point, Window-Eyes announced that the control had expanded and 
>> called the control a list view.
>> Arrowed down--in this case--to the letter M.
>> Note: Window-Eyes spoke each letter as it was highlighted.
>> Pressed Enter to close the combo box-come-list view.
>> Note: Window-Eyes voiced that the control was closed. I forget exactly what 
>> WE said.
>> Tabbed to the go button and pressed spacebar.
>>
>> In your previous posts, it sounded like you are holding the alt key down 
>> while arrowing. It's been a while since I've rea

RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Lou,
Thanks for taking the time to test this on your PC. I am glad to hear that the 
author combo box on BARD is working well for you and others when using the 
correct techniques. The steps you listed in your message follow best practices 
for interacting with combo boxes. And, I wanted to clarify that these keyboard 
techniques are not tied directly to Window-Eyes. This keyboard support (i.e. 
Alt-Down to open, Up/Down or first letter navigation to change selection, Enter 
to close) is built right into the combo box control and web browser whether you 
are using a screen reader or not. Holding down Alt while Down Arrowing is not 
the correct technique for navigating through the options in a combo box and is 
not a Window-Eyes feature.
Best,
Marc 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:07 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site

Hey, Larry.

I don't remember ever having an issue on the BARD web site. I just went there 
and logged in and did this.

Pressed the letter C to jump to the author's last name combo box.
Pressed enter to exit browse mode.
Pressed and released Alt-down arrow to expand the combo box.
Note: At this point, Window-Eyes announced that the control had expanded and 
called the control a list view.
Arrowed down--in this case--to the letter M.
Note: Window-Eyes spoke each letter as it was highlighted.
Pressed Enter to close the combo box-come-list view.
Note: Window-Eyes voiced that the control was closed. I forget exactly what WE 
said.
Tabbed to the go button and pressed spacebar.

In your previous posts, it sounded like you are holding the alt key down while 
arrowing. It's been a while since I've read the WE manual. Is this a new 
Window-Eyes feature? I forgot to check whether that key combination works; 
fireworks and a neighbor trying to get his toddler son to sleep kept me up 
kinda late. .

Lou N.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:07 PM
To: Marc Solomon; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Tony C
Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site

The combo box is author's last name.

On 7/1/2016 8:56 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote:
> Thanks Tony. Larry can you confirm?
> Best,
> Marc
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On July 1, 2016 9:35:21 PM Tony C  wrote:
>
>> I think he's talking about the combo box where you can search by 
>> author's last initial, and the other one is different jenre's box.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Marc Solomon via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:42 PM
>> To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site
>>
>> Larry,
>> I don't know what combo box you are referring to. Can you please 
>> describe where the combo box is and how you navigate to it.
>> Thanks,
>> Marc
>>
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>
>>
>> On July 1, 2016 6:06:37 PM Larry Higgins 
wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> I just press enter on the combo box, turning off browse mode, then I 
>>> either arrow down through the letter options, or hold down the alt 
>>> key and do the same. I do not hear the chosen letter option spoken 
>>> at all, unless I tab away and back. I just don't think it is 
>>> supposed to work this way.
>>>
>>> As I've said before, the combo boxes aren't unnavigable, I can 
>>> simply press a desired letter and get to where I'm trying to go, but 
>>> I would like to have the other option open to me on this page, and 
>>> others like it. if at all possible. Who knows, maybe I just have a 
>>> wrong setting somewhere,  or something.
>>>
>>> On 7/1/2016 2:25 PM, Marc Solomon wrote:
>>>> Larry,
>>>> I have a test account. What I need are steps to duplicate the problem.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>>>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On July 1, 2016 2:28:24 PM Larry Higgins 
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm using IE 11.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'll need a login and password. I could send mine to you in private.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/login
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> ___

Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Got it, thanks Larry.
Regards, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 1, 2016 11:00:56 PM Larry Higgins  wrote:

> Mark, when you get past the login stage, just press the letter C to get 
> to the first combo box, and it should say "browse by author's last name, 
> then do what you are supposed to do with a combo box .
>
> I can only hope you have the same issue for replicational purposes.
>
>
> Good, or should I wish you bad luck,
>
> Larry
> On 7/1/2016 7:42 PM, Marc Solomon wrote:
>> Larry,
>> I don't know what combo box you are referring to. Can you please describe 
>> where the combo box is and how you navigate to it.
>> Thanks,
>> Marc
>>
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>
>>
>> On July 1, 2016 6:06:37 PM Larry Higgins  wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> I just press enter on the combo box, turning off browse mode, then I
>>> either arrow down through the letter options, or hold down the alt key
>>> and do the same. I do not hear the chosen letter option spoken at all,
>>> unless I tab away and back. I just don't think it is supposed to work
>>> this way.
>>>
>>> As I've said before, the combo boxes aren't unnavigable, I can simply
>>> press a desired letter and get to where I'm trying to go, but I would
>>> like to have the other option open to me on this page, and others like
>>> it. if at all possible. Who knows, maybe I just have a wrong setting
>>> somewhere,  or something.
>>>
>>> On 7/1/2016 2:25 PM, Marc Solomon wrote:
 Larry,
 I have a test account. What I need are steps to duplicate the problem.
 Thanks,
 Marc

 Sent with AquaMail for Android
 http://www.aqua-mail.com


 On July 1, 2016 2:28:24 PM Larry Higgins  
 wrote:

> I'm using IE 11.
>
> You'll need a login and password. I could send mine to you in private.
>
> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/login
>


>>>
>>
>>
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Thanks Tony. Larry can you confirm? 
Best, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 1, 2016 9:35:21 PM Tony C  wrote:

> I think he's talking about the combo box where you can search by author's 
> last initial, and the other one is different jenre's box.
>
> -Original Message----- 
> From: Marc Solomon via Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:42 PM
> To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site
>
> Larry,
> I don't know what combo box you are referring to. Can you please describe 
> where the combo box is and how you navigate to it.
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On July 1, 2016 6:06:37 PM Larry Higgins  wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> I just press enter on the combo box, turning off browse mode, then I
>> either arrow down through the letter options, or hold down the alt key
>> and do the same. I do not hear the chosen letter option spoken at all,
>> unless I tab away and back. I just don't think it is supposed to work
>> this way.
>>
>> As I've said before, the combo boxes aren't unnavigable, I can simply
>> press a desired letter and get to where I'm trying to go, but I would
>> like to have the other option open to me on this page, and others like
>> it. if at all possible. Who knows, maybe I just have a wrong setting
>> somewhere,  or something.
>>
>> On 7/1/2016 2:25 PM, Marc Solomon wrote:
>>> Larry,
>>> I have a test account. What I need are steps to duplicate the problem.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On July 1, 2016 2:28:24 PM Larry Higgins  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm using IE 11.
>>>>
>>>> You'll need a login and password. I could send mine to you in private.
>>>>
>>>> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/login
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com 
>
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

David, 
Combo boxes and tree views have different keyboard interaction models. If a 
combo box, also known as a drop down, is closed, you can press Alt-Down Arrow 
to open it. Sighted users open these drop downs so they can see all available 
options at once. You can do the same, but since screen readers can only 
announce one option at a time, it doesn't provide much benefit. But, sometimes 
opening a combo box might make it read more accurately as you arrow through the 
options. When you select an option, with Enter, the combo box closes. You can 
then Tab to the next form control. This all assumes the combo box was written 
according to HTML specifications. 
Best,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 1, 2016 6:30:08 PM David via Talk  wrote:

> I don't use the website you are on, but just want to confirm one detail 
> in your experience.
>
> Since the new browse mode, I often hear the word "close", when arrowing 
> through comboboxes on different sites. Next time I come across this, I 
> will provide the site in question. What puzzles me a bit, is that 
> pressing the Right-Arrow, which would be natural when the word "closed" 
> was spoken - since it could indicate some kind of a menu-like concept, 
> nothing happens. Why would it say "closed", all the time things cannot 
> be expanded? And, is it possible to have an expandable combobox? What 
> would the benefit of such be? If none of this, WHY does it say "Closed"? 
> Never saw this under the old browse mode, but that might be coincident.
>
>
>
> David
>
> On 7/1/2016 7:19 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I'm just wondering if anybody has, or has had a problem getting combo 
>> boxes to speak when arrowing through the letters on the BARD site. In 
>> order to know what letter I  am on, I have to tab down to the go 
>> button, then tab back up, where I hear the letter as well as the word 
>> "closed."
>>
>> This probably has a simple answer, but I have tried everything I can 
>> think of to try, pressing enter,  doing the old trick of pressing 
>> alt-up or down arrow, space bar, but nothing seems to work toward 
>> letting me arrow through and hear each letter spoken.
>>
>>
>> Using WE 9.4 and Windows 10.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Larry
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com.
>> For subscription options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
>>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Larry, 
I don't know what combo box you are referring to. Can you please describe where 
the combo box is and how you navigate to it. 
Thanks, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 1, 2016 6:06:37 PM Larry Higgins  wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I just press enter on the combo box, turning off browse mode, then I 
> either arrow down through the letter options, or hold down the alt key 
> and do the same. I do not hear the chosen letter option spoken at all, 
> unless I tab away and back. I just don't think it is supposed to work 
> this way.
>
> As I've said before, the combo boxes aren't unnavigable, I can simply 
> press a desired letter and get to where I'm trying to go, but I would 
> like to have the other option open to me on this page, and others like 
> it. if at all possible. Who knows, maybe I just have a wrong setting 
> somewhere,  or something.
>
> On 7/1/2016 2:25 PM, Marc Solomon wrote:
>> Larry,
>> I have a test account. What I need are steps to duplicate the problem.
>> Thanks,
>> Marc
>>
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>
>>
>> On July 1, 2016 2:28:24 PM Larry Higgins  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using IE 11.
>>>
>>> You'll need a login and password. I could send mine to you in private.
>>>
>>> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/login
>>>
>>
>>
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Larry, 
I have a test account. What I need are steps to duplicate the problem. 
Thanks, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 1, 2016 2:28:24 PM Larry Higgins  wrote:

> I'm using IE 11.
>
> You'll need a login and password. I could send mine to you in private.
>
> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/login
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Larry,
What web browser are you using? Can you provide exact steps to get to the combo 
box in question?
Regards,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 1:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site

Partially answering my own question. I can press the down arrow key on the 
mouse pad and I will hear the letter I am on spoken. However, this doesn't 
answer just why I cannot hear the letter spoken when using the cursor keys.

On 7/1/2016 12:19 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm just wondering if anybody has, or has had a problem getting combo 
> boxes to speak when arrowing through the letters on the BARD site. In 
> order to know what letter I  am on, I have to tab down to the go 
> button, then tab back up, where I hear the letter as well as the word 
> "closed."
>
> This probably has a simple answer, but I have tried everything I can 
> think of to try, pressing enter,  doing the old trick of pressing 
> alt-up or down arrow, space bar, but nothing seems to work toward 
> letting me arrow through and hear each letter spoken.
>
>
> Using WE 9.4 and Windows 10.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net.
>
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Problem with Eset Banking Payment Protection and Window-Eyes

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Samuel,
It sounds like your Internet Security software has flagged Window-Eyes as a key 
logger threat and is blocking important functionality in the screen reader. We 
have seen other Internet Security programs do this. You should find out of 
there is a way to whitelist (exclude Window- Eyes from the list of programs 
being blocked) in Eset.
Best, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 1, 2016 5:10:44 AM Samuel Wilkins via Talk  
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I have just upgraded my Eset smart security, which now comes with a 
> banking payment protection programme.  However, Window-Eyes and the 
> protection programme do not seem to get along.  I cannot use standard 
> browse mode hotkeys, and when I type, I get very odd feedback, as though 
> I am pressing the wrong keys.  Does anyone know why this is happening?
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Samuel Wilkins
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Consistent problem with combo box on bank site

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Vaughn,
Just send me the Web page address, steps to duplicate and your testing 
environment specs (OS, browser version, etc.). The keyboard interaction for 
combo boxes is identical in WE and NVDA. The only difference is the hotkey to 
toggle Browse Mode on and off.
Best, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 30, 2016 4:15:25 PM Vaughan Dodd  wrote:

> Hi Marc.
>
> Happy to do as yu request, but need to know how - i.e.  the steps I need to 
> take to send you (off list) a problem combo box.
> I do not run any other screen reader, but can check with NVDA if that is 
> helpful.  However: My caution is that I don't like NVDA, so any findings 
> might be unreliable due to lack of familiarity.  
>
> David's description below seems very similar to my experiences.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Marc Solomon [mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 11:06 p.m.
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; net bat; Vaughan Dodd
> Subject: Re: Consistent problem with combo box on bank site
>
> David and Vaughn,
> Can either of you confirm that this behavior is specific to Window-Eyes. I 
> ask because it is possible that the form controls are not implemented in a 
> compliant and accessible way. 
> Also, if you can share a publicly available combo box that exhibits this 
> behavior, we could better investigate the issue. 
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On June 30, 2016 2:35:07 AM David via Talk  wrote:
>
>> Sorry, if this is the same kind of behavior I am experiencing with my 
>> bank, your advice does not work. What happens in my case is that the 
>> dropdown control is reported as an editbox. Hence, turning off browse 
>> mode, I sure can arrow up and down the list, but the speech won't 
>> report anything, even if the contents on the screen alters. So, the 
>> screen will go from payee1 to payee2 and payee3, when I down-arrow - 
>> but the speech keeps quiet. Tabbing away from the control, and then 
>> back again, the selected payee name will be spoken, as it is the 
>> current content in the editbox. Now, imagine I have arrowed down 5 
>> times, meaning that payee5 is selected and displayed in the box. I do 
>> not know if this was the right payee, so I tab once, Shift-Tab back 
>> again, and hear the name spoken. And I realize it was not the right 
>> one. So I once again try pressing the down-arrow key. But what happens 
>> then, is that the whole thing starts at the top of the list, meaning 
>> that I will have to press Down-arrow six times this turn, to get to 
>> the payee just beneath the one I was at.
>>
>> I sure have tried the Alt-Down combo, but to no avail. Guess as long 
>> as WE recognizes the control as an editbox, it does treat it as such, 
>> no matter if the recognition was wrong. This has been an issue for me 
>> for a long time, and I did report it a while back, with no fix for the 
>> last three updates of the screen reader. I do second the initial 
>> message here, PLEASE have WE recognize this kind of controls as the 
>> kind of combo-edit-boxes they are.
>>
>> I do not run a Braille display here at the moment, so cannot confirm 
>> to what extent things show up correctly on the Braille; but do rely on 
>> the reported behavior. If the Braille copies what is on the screen, 
>> WHY not the speech? Please, could we have an explanation from the staff here?
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> On 6/30/2016 4:19 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:
>>> if you used a keyboard you would press enter on the combo box to turn 
>>> browse mode off then use alt down arrow to go through the list then 
>>> tab to get to the next combo box and alt down arrow for this one too.
>>> both with browse mode off.
>>> i don't know how you would do this with brail.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 6:30 PM
>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> Subject: Consistent problem with combo box on bank site
>>>
>>> Greetings all.
>>>
>>> Hope that the new corporate will fix the below when Window-eyes 
>>> version 9.5 or 10 comes out?
>>>
>>> My online banking site uses a combo box from within which to select a 
>>> specific payee.
>>>
>>> When moving up or down the list with standard cursor movement keys, 
>>> speech drops out, but braille tracks perfectly.  According to my 
>>> display - the payee number is listed on the left, and the payee name 
>>> is listed on the right.  Those who do not have braille would find 
>>> this aspect of the bank's site inaccessible.
>>>
>>> Using Internet Explorer version 11, on a Windows seven installation. 
>>> Window-Eyes v9.4.  Now that I know it to be a consistent behaviour 
>>> with the configuration I've just described, will try with Firefox and 
>>> Chrome at home to see if I have improved access.
>>>
>>> Vaughan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email and any attachments may 

RE: Pandora website help.

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

In my experience, Pandora's web interface has not been very accessible with 
screen readers.  But, it has been a while since I tested it. Here is a link to 
a Pandora support article with instructions for cancelling your account: 
https://help.pandora.com/customer/portal/articles/1887708-cancel-deactivate-or-delete-your-account.
HTH,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 30, 2016 3:57:04 AM Dennis Long via Talk  
wrote:

> Have you tried another screen reader?  Can you email them?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:48 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Pandora website help.
>
> Ok, semi OT as i'm using zoomtext fusion but i am using we key layout. I'm
> trying to cancel the pandora trial i started before it starts billing me for
> a subscription.  Um, i can't find a link to do this, it keeps playing music
> at me, how do i get it to stop? 5 seconds away from punching wall, help?
> Please?
>
>
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
>
> Reeva
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40
> gmail.com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Consistent problem with combo box on bank site

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

David and Vaughn,
Can either of you confirm that this behavior is specific to Window-Eyes. I ask 
because it is possible that the form controls are not implemented in a 
compliant and accessible way. 
Also, if you can share a publicly available combo box that exhibits this 
behavior, we could better investigate the issue. 
Thanks, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 30, 2016 2:35:07 AM David via Talk  wrote:

> Sorry, if this is the same kind of behavior I am experiencing with my 
> bank, your advice does not work. What happens in my case is that the 
> dropdown control is reported as an editbox. Hence, turning off browse 
> mode, I sure can arrow up and down the list, but the speech won't report 
> anything, even if the contents on the screen alters. So, the screen will 
> go from payee1 to payee2 and payee3, when I down-arrow - but the speech 
> keeps quiet. Tabbing away from the control, and then back again, the 
> selected payee name will be spoken, as it is the current content in the 
> editbox. Now, imagine I have arrowed down 5 times, meaning that payee5 
> is selected and displayed in the box. I do not know if this was the 
> right payee, so I tab once, Shift-Tab back again, and hear the name 
> spoken. And I realize it was not the right one. So I once again try 
> pressing the down-arrow key. But what happens then, is that the whole 
> thing starts at the top of the list, meaning that I will have to press 
> Down-arrow six times this turn, to get to the payee just beneath the one 
> I was at.
>
> I sure have tried the Alt-Down combo, but to no avail. Guess as long as 
> WE recognizes the control as an editbox, it does treat it as such, no 
> matter if the recognition was wrong. This has been an issue for me for a 
> long time, and I did report it a while back, with no fix for the last 
> three updates of the screen reader. I do second the initial message 
> here, PLEASE have WE recognize this kind of controls as the kind of 
> combo-edit-boxes they are.
>
> I do not run a Braille display here at the moment, so cannot confirm to 
> what extent things show up correctly on the Braille; but do rely on the 
> reported behavior. If the Braille copies what is on the screen, WHY not 
> the speech? Please, could we have an explanation from the staff here?
>
>
>
> David
>
> On 6/30/2016 4:19 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:
>> if you used a keyboard you would press enter on the combo box to turn 
>> browse mode off then use alt down arrow to go through the list then 
>> tab to get to the next combo box and alt down arrow for this one too. 
>> both with browse mode off.
>> i don't know how you would do this with brail.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 6:30 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: Consistent problem with combo box on bank site
>>
>> Greetings all.
>>
>> Hope that the new corporate will fix the below when Window-eyes 
>> version 9.5 or 10 comes out?
>>
>> My online banking site uses a combo box from within which to select a 
>> specific payee.
>>
>> When moving up or down the list with standard cursor movement keys, 
>> speech drops out, but braille tracks perfectly.  According to my 
>> display - the payee number is listed on the left, and the payee name 
>> is listed on the right.  Those who do not have braille would find this 
>> aspect of the bank's site inaccessible.
>>
>> Using Internet Explorer version 11, on a Windows seven installation. 
>> Window-Eyes v9.4.  Now that I know it to be a consistent behaviour 
>> with the configuration I've just described, will try with Firefox and 
>> Chrome at home to see if I have improved access.
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> This email and any attachments may contain information that is 
>> confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the 
>> intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or 
>> duplication of this email and attachments is prohibited. If you have 
>> received this email in error please notify the author immediately and 
>> erase all copies of the email and attachments. The Ministry of Social 
>> Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message 
>> or attachments after transmission from the Ministry.
>>
>> ---
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net.
>> For subscription options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely th

RE: sites not shown as links

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Paulette,
If the web page element is an actual HTML hyperlink (anchor element with a 
valid href attribute), pressing Enter when focused on it will always activate 
the link. What you are describing sounds like a custom HTML element that was 
not designed to be keyboard accessible. What do you do when you find a web page 
element that is not operable with the keyboard and inaccessible? I would 
recommend you contact the web page author and tell them about the problem. More 
times than not, they don't know about accessibility and the needs of people 
using screen readers. So, you can help educate them. Tell them to unplug their 
mouse and try to activate the element.
HTH,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Paulette Vickery [mailto:paule...@evickery.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:30 PM
To: Marc Solomon ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: sites not shown as links

But if the site says to click on something, that means that sometimes you
can't press enter and go to it. So what do you do then?

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: sites not shown as links

Linette,
HTML emails and web pages can contain hyperlinks to other web pages or
files. The author can assign descriptive text to the hyperlink so that the
recipient sees a meaningful link name in the message or Web page. 
This is a good thing to do as it helps the user understand the link's
purpose more clearly.  For example, the link text could be "Click here to
learn more about product ABC". 
The author could also use the web page address as the link's text. For
example,  the link text might be "http://productABC.com. Not a good practice
but people still do it. 
You can activate the currently focused link by pressing Enter on it. If you
want to copy the links address to your clipboard, you can do so, but the
process depends on your email client. In Outlook, after focusing the link,
you can open the context menu and select Copy Link or something similar. 
HTH,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 28, 2016 9:06:22 PM Linette Sukup via Talk
 wrote:

>
>
> In some messages, sites are named, but they are not shown as links; that 
> is, the http and so on is there, but they be clicked on. This is 
> probably some simple thing that I just don't know how to do. How can 
> things like this be put into the browser?
>   I have the latest version of WE, the latest Firefox, and am
running 
> Windows on an HP Pavilion laptop.
> Does someone need to see the message?
>
> Peace.
> Linette
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40ais
quared.com.
> For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/paulette%40evi
ckery.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com



___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Trouble with OCR on a .pdf file

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

To Karyn's point, I've had better luck using VirtualView to OCR single pages of 
PDF files.
Best, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 29, 2016 9:53:36 AM Karyn Campbell  wrote:

> Mark and all,
>
> The file he wants to convert is a rather large file and I'll bet is a
> scanned image as well. I've heard that House report is 800 pages and no
> that's not a typo.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
> Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
> 11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
> Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
> machines.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+karyn1421=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:10 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Trouble with OCR on a .pdf file
>
> There might not be anything you can do to solve this issue on your end.
> Sounds like you are performing the correct steps. I would recommend sending
> the file to support so they can investigate this issue further. 
> Best,
> Marc
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On June 28, 2016 1:30:35 PM Larry Higgins via Talk
>  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> And I hope someone can give me some help with this one.
>>
>> I am trying to convert a .pdf file from today's House Report on 
>> Benghazi using VirtualView, but when I do, it will indicate that there 
>> 15 pages, then the recognition will begin, and it will only process up 
>> to page 6, but then it poops out, with no evidence of having saved the 
>> file in any form.
>>
>> I am using Windows 10 and WE 9.4 for Office. I have never had any luck 
>> converting .pdf files in the past, but surely there has to be a way to 
>> get this done.
>>
>> Any help with this one would be greatly appreciated,
>>
>> Larry
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40ais
> quared.com.
>> For subscription options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/karyn1421%40gm
> ail.com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: sites not shown as links

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Sorry Linette, I don't use Thunderbird. Maybe others on the list can provide 
the exact steps on how to copy an embedded link from a message. With that said, 
if you navigate to the link and open the context menu, you should be able to 
find a command that relates to copying the link. Good luck.
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Linette Sukup [mailto:linettesu...@att.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:25 PM
To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: sites not shown as links



I forgot I am using the latest Thunderbird.

Peace.
Linette



On 6/28/2016 8:47 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote:
> Linette,
> HTML emails and web pages can contain hyperlinks to other web pages or files. 
> The author can assign descriptive text to the hyperlink so that the recipient 
> sees a meaningful link name in the message or Web page.
> This is a good thing to do as it helps the user understand the link's purpose 
> more clearly.  For example, the link text could be "Click here to learn more 
> about product ABC".
> The author could also use the web page address as the link's text. For 
> example,  the link text might be "http://productABC.com. Not a good practice 
> but people still do it.
> You can activate the currently focused link by pressing Enter on it. If you 
> want to copy the links address to your clipboard, you can do so, but the 
> process depends on your email client. In Outlook, after focusing the link, 
> you can open the context menu and select Copy Link or something similar.
> HTH,
> Marc
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On June 28, 2016 9:06:22 PM Linette Sukup via Talk 
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In some messages, sites are named, but they are not shown as links; that
>> is, the http and so on is there, but they be clicked on. This is
>> probably some simple thing that I just don't know how to do. How can
>> things like this be put into the browser?
>>  I have the latest version of WE, the latest Firefox, and am 
>> running
>> Windows on an HP Pavilion laptop.
>> Does someone need to see the message?
>>
>> Peace.
>> Linette
>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
>> For subscription options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/linettesukup%40att.net.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: sites not shown as links

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Linette,
HTML emails and web pages can contain hyperlinks to other web pages or files. 
The author can assign descriptive text to the hyperlink so that the recipient 
sees a meaningful link name in the message or Web page. 
This is a good thing to do as it helps the user understand the link's purpose 
more clearly.  For example, the link text could be "Click here to learn more 
about product ABC". 
The author could also use the web page address as the link's text. For example, 
 the link text might be "http://productABC.com. Not a good practice but people 
still do it. 
You can activate the currently focused link by pressing Enter on it. If you 
want to copy the links address to your clipboard, you can do so, but the 
process depends on your email client. In Outlook, after focusing the link, you 
can open the context menu and select Copy Link or something similar. 
HTH,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 28, 2016 9:06:22 PM Linette Sukup via Talk  
wrote:

>
>
> In some messages, sites are named, but they are not shown as links; that 
> is, the http and so on is there, but they be clicked on. This is 
> probably some simple thing that I just don't know how to do. How can 
> things like this be put into the browser?
>   I have the latest version of WE, the latest Firefox, and am 
> running 
> Windows on an HP Pavilion laptop.
> Does someone need to see the message?
>
> Peace.
> Linette
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Trouble with OCR on a .pdf file

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

There might not be anything you can do to solve this issue on your end. Sounds 
like you are performing the correct steps. I would recommend sending the file 
to support so they can investigate this issue further. 
Best, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 28, 2016 1:30:35 PM Larry Higgins via Talk  
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> And I hope someone can give me some help with this one.
>
> I am trying to convert a .pdf file from today's House Report on Benghazi 
> using VirtualView, but when I do, it will indicate that there 15 pages, 
> then the recognition will begin, and it will only process up to page 6, 
> but then it poops out, with no evidence of having saved the file in any 
> form.
>
> I am using Windows 10 and WE 9.4 for Office. I have never had any luck 
> converting .pdf files in the past, but surely there has to be a way to 
> get this done.
>
> Any help with this one would be greatly appreciated,
>
> Larry
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Special prices on ZoomText products at ACB and NFB

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Freedom Scientific has been running these types of sales the past few years. 
So, maybe the VFO leadership is trying to build some good will with the 
community. Just thought I would use some facts instead of speculating and 
starting rumors.

-Original Message-
From: Don H [mailto:lmdd...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 3:29 PM
To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Special prices on ZoomText products at ACB and NFB

Looks like a going out of business sale.

On 6/27/2016 1:44 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote:
> An announcement was sent out a few days ago about a special Ai Squared will 
> be running during the ACB and NFB national conventions. I never saw the info 
> posted here and thought someone might benefit. The prices are heavily 
> discounted by as much as 90% off. That isn't a typo.  The promotions 
> are available for anyone who will be in physical attendance in Minneapolis or 
> Orlando. Again, you have to be at one of these events to take advantage of 
> the special offer. If you or someone you know is considering investing in 
> ZoomText Fusion, ZoomText Magnifier/Reader or ZoomText Mac, now would be the 
> time. Prices are as follows:
> ZoomText Magnifier/Reader - $75
> ZoomText Magnifier/Reader with Enhanced Support Plan - $125 ZoomText 
> Fusion - $100 ZoomText Fusion with Enhanced Support Plan - $175 
> ZoomText Mac - $100 Best, Marc 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lmddh50%40comcast.net.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Special prices on ZoomText products at ACB and NFB

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

An announcement was sent out a few days ago about a special Ai Squared will be 
running during the ACB and NFB national conventions. I never saw the info 
posted here and thought someone might benefit. The prices are heavily 
discounted by as much as 90% off. That isn't a typo.  The promotions are 
available for anyone who will be in physical attendance in Minneapolis or 
Orlando. Again, you have to be at one of these events to take advantage of the 
special offer. If you or someone you know is considering investing in ZoomText 
Fusion, ZoomText Magnifier/Reader or ZoomText Mac, now would be the time. 
Prices are as follows:
ZoomText Magnifier/Reader - $75
ZoomText Magnifier/Reader with Enhanced Support Plan - $125
ZoomText Fusion - $100
ZoomText Fusion with Enhanced Support Plan - $175
ZoomText Mac - $100
Best,
Marc
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Delta Airlines. Another Site Harder to Use For Sake of New Technology

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Tom,
I just got a chance to do some testing on the Delta home page. I focused my 
testing on the Passengers combo box/drop down that is used to select how many 
tickets you want to purchase. I found that user experience is much better in 
Firefox than in Internet Explorer. This is because Firefox and Window-Eyes 
currently do a better job of handling custom controls that are implemented 
using the Accessible Rich Information Application (ARIA) specification. And, 
this particular Passengers combo box was built using ARIA. 
Using Windows 8.1, Window-Eyes 9.4 and the latest version of Firefox I was able 
to successfully locate the Passengers combo box, and after turning browse mode 
off, I was able to select the number of passengers using Up and Down Arrow. The 
only information that isn't announced by Window-Eyes is the name of the combo 
box when Browse Mode is on. So, I just heard "combo box" after I landed on the 
Passengers combo box when navigating with single letter navigation in Browse 
Mode. For example, the second time I pressed C, I just heard Combo Box. As soon 
as I turned Browse Mode off, Window-Eyes properly announced the name of the 
combo box when I moved focus to it with Tab or Shift-Tab. I think this issue 
might be a bug in Browse Mode and will report it to the Window-Eyes engineering 
team.
So, I would recommend using Firefox when trying to interact with the Delta 
website as well as others that use ARIA to implement custom form controls. 
Regarding the Delta text-only website, in my experience text-only sites don't 
always offer the same content and features as the main site. My hope is that 
you will be able to successfully complete your tasks on the main site using 
Firefox and Window-Eyes.
HTH,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Tom Fairhurst [mailto:tfairhu...@kc.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 4:52 PM
To: Marc Solomon 
Subject: Re: Delta Airlines. Another Site Harder to Use For Sake of New 
Technology

I am using Windows 7 64-bit Pro, IE 11, and WE 9.4. Once on the site, I go 
to "Skip to Flight Search" and press enter. From there, you can enter data 
to select flights. You can check one-way or round-trip. There are combo 
boxes for number of passenters and surrounding airports for example. Using 
down arrow doesn't cause them to speak with browse mode off. The only way I 
can find out what is going on is by turning browse mode back on and pressing 
c to go to the combo boxand finally pressing Control+Numpad+5 to read the 
line. Note that I haven't even tried to select a flight yet. On top of all 
this, Delta claims to have a text-only site that can be found by pressing 
something in the banner at the top of the screen. . I have not been able to 
locate this. I have E-mailed them to see if they can send me a link. I'm not 
holding my breath for a reply.

-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 2:41 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Delta Airlines. Another Site Harder to Use For Sake of New 
Technology

Can you provide exact steps to get to these combo boxes? Also, what browser 
and operating system are you using?
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Delta Airlines. Another Site Harder to Use For Sake of New 
Technology

Their comboboxes and pull-downs are a mess. I can’t get them to reliably 
expand or talk. I have to go in and out of browse mode to get any 
information at all, e.g., passengers and surrounding airport comboboxes, 
etc. They say that they have a text-only version available, but I can’t seem 
to find out how to access it. Has anyone tried it?
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com 


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: EDGE AS DEFAULT BROWSERee

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

You can change your default browser in Windows 10. Several list members already 
replied with steps to accomplish this task. Please review these messages for 
additional details. If you can't figure it out on your own, just give Microsoft 
a call: 800-936-5900.
Best, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 25, 2016 7:08:12 AM Larry Higgins via Talk  
wrote:

> Nick,
>
> Thank God this hasn't happened to me as of yet (knock on wood), but the 
> problem with just settling for that is that it is mighty inconvenient 
> for those times when you simply press enter on a link in an email 
> message, and you end up with a browser that is even more inconvenient if 
> you are using WE, or any other screen reader for that matter.
>
> I guess I kind of get why MS might wish to proscribe one's browser when 
> using Cortana, because both are products wed to their OS, but when it 
> comes to one's use of competitive software, like email clients and such, 
> and having even those products so wed really is bordering on the 
> monopolistic I'm afraid, and I'm not one who is particularly prone to 
> reacting in this way very often.
>
> Hopefully this is simply a technical issue that could some how be 
> remedied through some normal conventional means within the OS, but if it 
> isn't ...
>
> Just my thoughts, for all they might be worth,
>
> Larry
>
> On 6/25/2016 3:34 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Even if it is your default browser, can you simply click onanother
>> browser in your desk top?  Granted, I am not using Windows-10, but I
>> don't have a default browser.
>>
>> On 6/25/2016 4:05 AM, Ivan Cribb via Talk wrote:
>>> Edge has become my default browser and nothing I have done has been
>>> able to
>>> change the situation. I have tried to install Crome as my default browser
>>> but that has not worked. Is Microsoft imposing Edge on us irrespective of
>>> our wishes and, if so, how does the wretched program work?
>>>
>>> Ivan Cribb
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>>
>>> For membership options, visit
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com.
>>>
>>> For subscription options, visit
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>> List archives can be found at
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>>
>>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net.
>>
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Delta Airlines. Another Site Harder to Use For Sake of New Technology

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Can you provide exact steps to get to these combo boxes? Also, what browser and 
operating system are you using?
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Delta Airlines. Another Site Harder to Use For Sake of New Technology

Their comboboxes and pull-downs are a mess. I can’t get them to reliably expand 
or talk. I have to go in and out of browse mode to get any information at all, 
e.g., passengers and surrounding airport comboboxes, etc. They say that they 
have a text-only version available, but I can’t seem to find out how to access 
it. Has anyone tried it?
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: web site accessibility

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

I don't know how accessible it is with screen readers, but I found a blog post 
from one of the web developers at Ancestry.com who talks about their 
accessibility efforts. Here is an excerpt: "Do our current pages meet all of 
these [accessibility] requirements ? Nope. That's why we've documented them so 
that we can provide structure to this effort and have measurable levels of 
success." 

At least they are aware of the problem and trying to do something about it. 
That's more than we can say about a lot of other organizations out there. Here 
is a link to the full blog post: 
http://blogs.ancestry.com/techroots/core-web-accessibility-guidelines/.

Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 5:30 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: web site accessibility

Anyone have any experience with how accessible ancestry.com is using the 
latest version of WE.
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Dashboards on websites

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

No, dashboards do not refer to a specific type of form control or interactive 
element. But, a web page dashboard can contain form controls like radio 
buttons, combo boxes, edit boxes and buttons. A specific example would be 
needed to provide further clarification on how to use it. Without any context, 
there really isn't much we can do to help.
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Pamela Dominguez [mailto:geo...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:32 AM
To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Dashboards on websites

I thought that dashboards were kind-of like radio buttons because the 
buttons seem to go across like that.  Like the buttons on a car radio.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 7:41 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Dashboards on websites

Paulette,
Web developers can create Dashboards in many different ways. Dasboard is 
really just a design term used to describe a webpage that displays an 
overview of related types of data. So, there isn't one technique or strategy 
that can be recommended.
If the Web page was built to be standards compliant and accessible,  then 
you should be able to use the usual techniques to navigate and interact with 
the content on the page.
For example, headings should be used to start each section of the dashboard. 
Any graphs or diagrams should have text descriptions. Links and buttons 
should be keyboard operable and have meaningful names.
Your mileage will vary depending upon the dashboard webpage you are using. 
There isn't much more I can offer without access to the page.
Best,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 21, 2016 9:56:06 PM Paulette Vickery via Talk 
 wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Could someone please tell me how dashboards work on websites and if they 
> are
> accessible to Window Eyes? Thanks.
>
>
>
> Paulette
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


-
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4604/12471 - Release Date: 06/22/16 



___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Dashboards on websites

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Paulette,
Web developers can create Dashboards in many different ways. Dasboard is really 
just a design term used to describe a webpage that displays an overview of 
related types of data. So, there isn't one technique or strategy that can be 
recommended. 
If the Web page was built to be standards compliant and accessible,  then you 
should be able to use the usual techniques to navigate and interact with the 
content on the page.
For example, headings should be used to start each section of the dashboard. 
Any graphs or diagrams should have text descriptions. Links and buttons should 
be keyboard operable and have meaningful names. 
Your mileage will vary depending upon the dashboard webpage you are using. 
There isn't much more I can offer without access to the page.
Best, 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 21, 2016 9:56:06 PM Paulette Vickery via Talk 
 wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>  
>
> Could someone please tell me how dashboards work on websites and if they are
> accessible to Window Eyes? Thanks.
>
>  
>
> Paulette
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Anyone try wish.com?

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Chris,
When I visit wish.com, I am presented with a modal dialog asking me to sign in 
to browse products. This dialog is not accessible from the keyboard at all. So, 
they have created an accessibility barrier right up front that excludes anyone 
who can't use the mouse. Not a good sign. They do advertise the availability of 
smartphone apps. This might be another option to pursue if you use an iOS or 
Android device.
Regards,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris T via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 6:52 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Anyone try wish.com?

A lot of people around me have raved about deals they have found at Wish and 
while some I know haven’t been satisfied with what they got, others have been 
very happy. I thought I would check out the hype, but have found the site 
pretty much inaccessible. I was wondering if any Window-eyes users have 
successfully shopped and ordered from the site. I am particularly interested in 
their tech items, but if I can’t figure out what any given item the prices 
listed are for, I can’t figure out if I am interested in anything. The site, in 
addition to not presenting information in an accessible format also seems to 
stall out often, or even lock up, requiring a return to the main page before 
anything further will work on the page. 

Thanks,

Chris T
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: coupons.com

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Martha, 
This site might be more trouble than its worth. Aside from the 204 
accessibility violations my automated checker found on the home page, you have 
to go through a multi step process to print coupons. After adding one or more 
coupons to the coupon cart, you then have to activate the print button. From 
there, you have to provide your mobile phone number. Then, in theory you will 
get a verification code to get to the next step. Who knows what other hoops you 
will have to jump through after that. Good luck. 
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 20, 2016 11:36:41 AM Martha via Talk  wrote:

> Hi.
>
> This site has printable grocery coupons. I am able to find the coupon
> listings, and use header navigation ("h") to go through the list.
> Once I have landed on a coupon that I want to print, I can't tell how to
> send it to my printer.  I am using Windows 10, FireFox, and WE 9.4. 
> Anybody know if using this site is doable with screen reader only?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Martha
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: David Woo interview

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Not sure who started the thread with incorrect spelling, but it is David Wu, 
spelled W, U. And, you can find it here: 
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast127-David_Wu.mp3. 
Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 3:58 PM
To: Mike Rogers ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: David Woo interview

Hi:

Where can I find this David Woo interview.
Kevin Huber
On 6/17/16, Mike Rogers via Talk  wrote:
> Yes, please!  Thes speculations are filling up my inbox and nobody can do
> anything, at this time.
>
> 
>
> www.harmonicaworkshops.com
> www.woodeneyemusic.com
>
>
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 13:40:46 -0400
> Dennis Long via Talk  wrote:
>
>> I agree
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:35 PM
>> To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: David Woo interview
>>
>> Nobody knows a single thing.  Stop this silliness!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/17/2016 10:51 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
>> > We will get the axe, MAGic will be put to it's deserved death, zt
>> > fusion will be killed and zoomtext will be re done to work with the
>> > shark.  Oh, have a braille display that ain't a freedom one? Good luck
>> > trying to use it after all this goes down.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Friday, June 17, 2016, RJ Sandefur via Talk
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I say give this thing at least six months to a year, and lets see
>> >> what happens. RJ
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6/17/2016 10:38 AM, Alan Paganelli via Talk wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I personally believe it's more about the decline of Windows usage
>> >>> and as the paid screen reader declines, and more people go to free
>> >>> screen readers, the market for paid screen readers will continue to
>> >>> decline.  The day may yet come when that happens or as somebody once
>> >>> said, nothing lasts forever and the deepest well runs dry.
>> >>>
>> >>> Alan
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPad Air
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 3:28 AM, Ivan Cribb via Talk <
>>  talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  I have3 just finished listening to that interview and my heart is
>>  very heavy indeed! I have no doubt that in six months time David
>>  will be gaily announcing  that, after long anhd serious
>>  consideration (counting the number of JAWS customers and compared
>>  to the number of Window-Eyes customers"
>>  VFO
>>  has decided to cancel allfurther development of Window-eyes and
>>  concentrate on developing JAWS (which, incidentallyhas more
>>  customersBut
>>  existingWindow-Eyes customers may be assured that VFOhas their
>>  best
>>  interests at heart. VFOwill allow them to purchase a bright shiny
>>  copy of JAWS with a great reduction of 10percent, a great deal
>>  never to be repeated again.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Forget all the BS about serving customers. It's clear that the only
>>  driving force will be good old fashioned money!
>> 
>>  RIP Winbdow-Eyes!
>> 
>>  Ivan Cribb
>> 
>>  ___
>>  Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of
>>  the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> 
>>  For membership options, visit
>>  http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/alana
>>  ndsuzanne%40earthlink.net
>>  .
>>  For subscription options, visit
>>  http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>  List archives can be found at
>>  http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> 
>> >>> ___
>> >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of
>> >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> >>>
>> >>> For membership options, visit
>> >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbat
>> >>> sandefur%40outlook.com
>> >>> .
>> >>> For subscription options, visit
>> >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> >>> List archives can be found at
>> >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> >>>
>> >> ___
>> >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
>> >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> >>
>> >> For membership options, visit
>> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedan
>> >> gelpromises%40gmail.com
>> >> .
>> >> For subscription options, visit
>> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> >> List archives can be found at
>> >> http://lists

How you can help

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi everyone,
I had a conversation with a person who is a loyal Window-Eyes user the other 
day. She, like many of you, was very concerned about the future of Window-Eyes. 
She, like many of you, is unsure of the impact the recent acquisition will have 
on the blind community. With that said, she also voiced discontent with the 
negativity and speculation being spread on various communication channels. 
Instead of buying into the negativity and speculating about the unknown, she 
proposed an alternative. She suggested that the Window-Eyes community should 
come together and tell the leadership of VFO what they want the future to be. 
If you are concerned that you will no longer be able to receive quality 
customer support and service from the team you have worked with all these 
years, tell VFO this is what you want. If you are concerned that Window-Eyes 
will be discontinued and will prevent you from being successful, tell VFO how 
important Window-Eyes has been in your life and why it works so well 
 for you. I guess my point is, being negative and assuming the worst is not 
going to help matters. If you want something to happen, do something about it 
in a way that is constructive. For example, take time to compose your thoughts 
and propose what you want to see happen in the future. And then share your 
vision with the leadership at VFO. For your reference, here is a link to the 
VFO Group contact web page: http://www.vfo-group.com/index.php/contact/. 
Best regards,
Marc

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Problem with Disney site

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Chris,

One of the key principles of web accessibility is operability. In other words, 
regardless of what input device you are using (e.g. mouse, keyboard, touch), 
you should be able to operate the interactive elements on the web page. 
Interactive elements include links, buttons, form fields, etc. It sounds like 
this particular website has several keyboard operability issues that are 
creating barriers to accessibility. This is a very common issue in web 
accessibility. Since you encounter the same problems using different screen 
readers on different platforms, it seems likely the source of the problem lies 
in the web page's design. So, as you suggested, notifying the website owner of 
these issues is a very important step to take as they are really the only ones 
that have the ability to fix these accessibility issues. Please note that 
making complex interactive web pages fully accessible is not a trivial task. 
This is especially true if accessibility wasn't taken into consideration when 
the pages were being designed. But, the first step is to make them aware of the 
problem. Here is a strategy you can use to help the website owner better 
understand the problem. Ask them to unplug their mouse/disable their touchpad 
and then try to complete the same tasks you are trying to complete on their 
website. The will quickly see the problem they created.  I suspect they created 
these accessibility barriers inadvertently as most designers/developers aren't 
aware of the needs of users with diverse abilities. So, please try and be as 
diplomatic and as positive in your correspondence as possible. Education and 
advocacy are two important steps in creating change.

Best,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris T via Talk
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Problem with Disney site

I am a member of the Disney Movie Rewards and Disney Movies anywhere 
services part of go.com, Disney’s main site. Recently I started having an odd 
issue. I am certain that it isn’t Window-eyes fault, the problem happens when 
using my iPhone as well, but I  am hoping that I can find a way to deal with 
the problem on my desktop because I prefer to access the service that way.

So, this is using the latest Window-eyes, all apps up to date on a PC running 
Windows 10, though the problem started happening when I  was still using 
Windows 7 64-bit. I have tried both the latest versions of Internet Explorer 
and Firefox, I retry Firefox each time there is a new version released just in 
case. Aside from using Safari on my iPhone, that is all I’ve tried. I have, but 
don’t know anything about using Chrome and I have a Kindle Fire tablet, but am 
not yet profiscient enough with it to be confident using it for web browsing.

The issue is one of the strangest I have ever encountered. Out of the blue, I 
started having problems doing much of anything with my account. I can still 
enter in codes and get my points, If I buy a Disney movie on the iTunes store, 
I still get my points and if the movie qualifies for a free digital copy, I 
still get the copy added to my collection and the copy appears in my collection 
on all of the services connected to my Disney Movies Anywhere account. But if I 
try to look at the details of my account, browse or search for items to order 
using my rewards points or pretty much anything else, the browser will not go 
to the appropriate page or if it does load, I will have the pop-up that is the 
center of this issue become the object of focus, and I can’t get anything done.

The pop up in question contains the basic fields for creating an account, 
fields for birthdate and zip code, check boxes for accepting terms and allowing 
the sharing of information required to have the Movies Anywhere program work 
and so on. It also has a couple of checkboxes that ask me to reauthorize all of 
that information sharing as if I had revoked those permissions in the past. 
This section seems to be the one directed at me, it is the most common area for 
the browser to focus on even though it is in the middle of the page and II  am 
always already logged in when II  am working on all of this. But, no matter how 
many times II  uncheck and recheck the boxes, reload and whatever else, the 
submit version, oh yes, each of these sub sections has its own submit button, 
nothing happens. Sometimes an error message appears at the bottom of this pop 
up saying ‘We’re Sorry’ with an OK version, clicking on OK causes some sort of 
action, but when the page loads, everything is the same as described above. 

Now, here is the truly bizarre part. Usually if there is a real problem with 
content of  a webpage not being accessible, it is the screen reader that cannot 
access the content. In this case, the screen reader can read everything. 
Visually, the pop up does not exist. Nobody can see any

David Wu interview

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

For those interested, here is a link to a recent interview with David Wu, 
former Ai Squared CEO/VP of Software Business at VFO: 
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast127-David_Wu.mp3

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 15, 2016 8:25:07 PM Sky Mundell via Talk  
wrote:

> But I bet if or when Narrator does have scripting kapabilities, Dancing
> dots, and or Hartgen consultancy could make the scripts work with Narrator.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and 
> tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do 
> what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with 
> consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My 
> wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is
>
> doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as 
> opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, 
> and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
> And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is 
> no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs 
> are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing 
> older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an 
> alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen 
> reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to 
> support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen 
> reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies 
> will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and
>
> low vision solutions.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
> To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> AMEN!
>
> On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:
>> I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if
>> the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent
>> compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
>>
>>
>> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their
>> prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
>>
>>
>> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated,
>> caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
>>
>>
>> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the
>> times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
>>
>>
>> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE
>> for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we
>> think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I
>> suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.
>>
>>
>> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for
>> exemplary service. May it continue!
>>
>>
>> Mickey Prahin
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
>>
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22
> %40comcast.net.
>>
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
>
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.r
> r.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
> I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. 
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca
> .
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
>