Re: [OSM-talk] ReMAPTCHA Demo BETA 0.2 online! (Was: Hate captchas!!!!)
On 28 April 2014 08:54, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: At least at face value, this presents issues for the US chapter, given blind people... The most frequent response I have heard to similar comments in the past was that the map as a whole presents more of an issue. It may seem a bit obstructive and glib, but perhaps there is some truth here. I think it could be a good opportunity to examine all our infrastructures not only image representations of geospatial data (i.e maps). Blindness is a spectrum as I understand it - perhaps the lessons that are being learnt in making OSM more vision impaired people into OSM could be taught to everyone making mapping tools. What progress has been made here and how could these be added to improve this project? On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:45 AM, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kate 2014-04-28 7:40 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com: I think there would need to be audio challenges. There are projects for helping make OSM accessible to people who are vision impaired, this includes information on the OSM wiki. I understand. But audio is a complete different technology and our project wanted to focus on visual clues. Yours, Stefan 2014-04-28 7:40 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com: Hi Stefan, On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-04-27 21:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I think a bigger situation is that I don't see how this could possibly be ADA compliant: How does a blind person pass? We could add audio challenges - but that's not needed since the context and target sites where ReMAPTCHA is designed for, are geospatial websites and graphic editors. I think there would need to be audio challenges. There are projects for helping make OSM accessible to people who are vision impaired, this includes information on the OSM wiki. -S. 2014-04-27 21:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:21 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: I'm worried about bots still having a very high chance of sucess. With two fairly-legible words in the image and a chalenge asking me to write either one of the words or both, a bot still has 33% chance of success if answering randomly, wich is high enough that bot authors won't even bother trying to smartly interpret the map. I think a bigger situation is that I don't see how this could possibly be ADA compliant: How does a blind person pass? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] gittip.com
I think this is great, many thanks! I particularly like the option to just log in to another site via OpenStreetMap OAuth. Tim On 9 January 2014 10:09, Simó Albert i Beltran s...@probeta.net wrote: Hi, I am proud to announce that now you can use your https://openstreetmap.org user to receive and make donations with https://gittip.com For example, you can make me a donation via https://gittip.com/sim6 to thank for this new feature. ;-) I hope you enjoy it. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Magistrates and Crown Courts listings as open data – hack event coming…
On 15 December 2013 21:00, Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: Was that a serious suggestion? yes, but I can see how it could look flippant. Sorry! Basically there are not many open data sources of house addresses. From what I hazily remember the courts already publicly publish on paper for anyone to view the names and addresses of people involved. I gathered that they include the addresses because there may be more than one John Smith going to trial at any one time. They may also do this for weddings.. I could be wrong, and my memory is fuzzy - hence the email wondering if they would publish them. If anyone knows, please enlighten us! I think it's likely that postcodes are excluded, but you never know. It's also likely that this information even if published on paper may not be on an API - makes sense, but again who knows! If there is a source of addresses, it is useful: * Mappers can use it to check to see if the street exists and has been mapped * Mappers keen on adding in addresses to streets can use it (or a bot) to validify that there is that number on the specified street. * FreeThePostcode or other open postcode database etc could be added to. The postcode and address exists, it can be contributed to. Assuming the licenses are compatible. Tim Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 15/12/2013 13:36, Tim Waters wrote: I wonder if court listings also has the addresses of those involved / defendants? A further source of addresses and postcodes On 9 December 2013 17:16, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: From: http://talkaboutlocal.org.uk/magistrates-crown-courts-listings-open-data-hack-event-coming/ Officials from HMCTS and MOJ will help organise a hack day with listings data from the court service. Possibly useful as a source of the locations of all court buildings and related data (not least their postcodes!) -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing listTalk-GB@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Magistrates and Crown Courts listings as open data – hack event coming…
I wonder if court listings also has the addresses of those involved / defendants? A further source of addresses and postcodes On 9 December 2013 17:16, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: From: http://talkaboutlocal.org.uk/magistrates-crown-courts-listings-open-data-hack-event-coming/ Officials from HMCTS and MOJ will help organise a hack day with listings data from the court service. Possibly useful as a source of the locations of all court buildings and related data (not least their postcodes!) -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] South Carolina State Highways - primary overload
I found this to be very annoying. I did a lot of work on the SC Highways some time back. I noticed that in a few counties most of the state highways were marked as primary. I reverted most of them back to secondary except for the ones that were truly trunk routes. Its frustrating to see work that you spent a lot of time and effort on get vandalized as such On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 12/9/2013 12:42 AM, James Mast wrote: So, does anybody else agree with me on this subject of primary overload in South Carolina? If so, how do we go about fixing this with a reasonable approach? Looking at some of the history of some of the ways, it seems that only one user was doing the upgrade from secondary to primary/trunk over the past 4+ months. Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with DOT classifications in general. At first, the user seemed to be knowledgeable about highway classifications for the segments in question. But I agree - now that nearly everything was just changed to primary, it seems to be both less useful and inconsistent with most of the rest of the US. It seems that the intent was to match some other map rendering or road classification which has fewer classification levels. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Tim Huemmer Webmaster Owner RRPictureArchives.NET ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] New layout
This looks like the best place for this, but I think (and forgive me if I can't find it - I'm a bit blind) but I think that there is not even a link to the main OSM Blog from anywhere on the osm.org homepage or sub pages! http://blog.openstreetmap.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-de] Wanderkarten von Russland
Vielleicht weiß ja jemand wo man solche Karten her bekommt, oder ob es einen Anbieter giebt, der OSM-Karten druckt oder wie man das möglichst einfach, im Maststab 1:125000, selber machen kann. schau mal hier: http://mapstor.com/ oder www.poehali.org ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC
I am no legal person by any means, and Nanaimo has adopted v2 of the OGL since I last looked at it. Paul Norman mentioned he was going to look into it when there was a moment to do so. The way I read v2 of the license is that it is available to use so long as you acknowledge the source with the defined attribution statement of the region. Contains information licensed under the Open Government Licence - Nanaimo. If multiple sources were used or multiple attributions are not practical, one would use Contains information licensed under the Open Government License British Columbia. http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/106/DataCatalogue/Licence.html http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/local/dbc/docs/license/OGL-vbc2.0.pdf Though it looks like they missed updating the last paragraph under Versioning. To answer your actual question though, nope I am not aware of another WMS source :) Cheers, Tim From: David E. Nelson [mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca] Sent: October 20, 2013 4:12 PM To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC Does anyone know of an OSM-compatible free WMS source we can use for aerial imagery for all of Nanaimo? Bing does not have street-level imagery for Nanaimo north of 49.14°N and east of 123.94°W, and all of the sources I can find for that imagery (Google, the City of Nanaimo itself) are walled off behind a layer of legal cowardice. - David E. Nelson ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC
Is that from their Interactive Map disclaimer - http://maps.nanaimo.ca/nanaimomap/ ? Looking through their data catalogue - http://data.nanaimo.ca/, I haven’t found any other statement that conflicts. What were/are you attempting to get from the aerial photos? Cheers, Tim From: David E. Nelson [mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca] Sent: October 20, 2013 4:59 PM To: Tim Whitehead; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC Well, unfortunately, all of that is overridden by this statement I found on the City of Nanaimo's own map portal: All rights, title and interest (including copyright, patent and other intellectual property rights) contained in the Information remain vested in the City of Nanaimo at all times. - David E. Nelson On Sunday, October 20, 2013 4:55:29 PM, Tim Whitehead spero.shirope...@gmail.com mailto:spero.shirope...@gmail.com wrote: I am no legal person by any means, and Nanaimo has adopted v2 of the OGL since I last looked at it. Paul Norman mentioned he was going to look into it when there was a moment to do so. The way I read v2 of the license is that it is available to use so long as you acknowledge the source with the defined attribution statement of the region. “Contains information licensed under the Open Government Licence - Nanaimo.” If multiple sources were used or multiple attributions are not practical, one would use “Contains information licensed under the Open Government License – British Columbia.” http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/106/DataCatalogue/Licence.html http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/local/dbc/docs/license/OGL-vbc2.0.pdf Though it looks like they missed updating the last paragraph under Versioning. To answer your actual question though, nope I am not aware of another WMS source :) Cheers, Tim From: David E. Nelson [mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca] Sent: October 20, 2013 4:12 PM To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC Does anyone know of an OSM-compatible free WMS source we can use for aerial imagery for all of Nanaimo? Bing does not have street-level imagery for Nanaimo north of 49.14°N and east of 123.94°W, and all of the sources I can find for that imagery (Google, the City of Nanaimo itself) are walled off behind a layer of legal cowardice. - David E. Nelson attachment: winmail.dat___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC
Could get that from their data source? http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/Engineering-Public-Works/GIS/Digi talData.html http://data.nanaimo.ca/ http://www.nanaimo.ca/ortho/ (553A) Building/Properties/Road ways are available and can be overlayed in JOSM. All of those point to their OGL license. (haven’t seen another reference… yet) Cheers, Tim From: David E. Nelson [mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca] Sent: October 20, 2013 5:34 PM To: Tim Whitehead Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC Is that from their Interactive Map disclaimer - http://maps.nanaimo.ca/nanaimomap/ http://maps.nanaimo.ca/nanaimomap/ ? Yes, it is. What were/are you attempting to get from the aerial photos? I want the aerial imagery you can get from that interactive map in either Potlatch2 or JOSM so I can add some map details for the area around Cameron Island (Promenade Drive), specifically those three buildings and the lanes of the Nanaimo Harbour Ferry Terminal. - David E. Nelson On Sunday, October 20, 2013 5:27:31 PM, Tim Whitehead spero.shirope...@gmail.com wrote: Is that from their Interactive Map disclaimer - http://maps.nanaimo.ca/nanaimomap/ http://maps.nanaimo.ca/nanaimomap/ ? Looking through their data catalogue - http://data.nanaimo.ca/, http://data.nanaimo.ca/, I haven’t found any other statement that conflicts. What were/are you attempting to get from the aerial photos? Cheers, Tim From: David E. Nelson [mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca ] Sent: October 20, 2013 4:59 PM To: Tim Whitehead; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC Well, unfortunately, all of that is overridden by this statement I found on the City of Nanaimo's own map portal: All rights, title and interest (including copyright, patent and other intellectual property rights) contained in the Information remain vested in the City of Nanaimo at all times. - David E. Nelson On Sunday, October 20, 2013 4:55:29 PM, Tim Whitehead spero.shirope...@gmail.com mailto:spero.shirope...@gmail.com mailto:spero.shirope...@gmail.com mailto:spero.shirope...@gmail.com wrote: I am no legal person by any means, and Nanaimo has adopted v2 of the OGL since I last looked at it. Paul Norman mentioned he was going to look into it when there was a moment to do so. The way I read v2 of the license is that it is available to use so long as you acknowledge the source with the defined attribution statement of the region. “Contains information licensed under the Open Government Licence - Nanaimo.” If multiple sources were used or multiple attributions are not practical, one would use “Contains information licensed under the Open Government License – British Columbia.” http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/106/DataCatalogue/Licence.html http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/local/dbc/docs/license/OGL-vbc2.0.pdf Though it looks like they missed updating the last paragraph under Versioning. To answer your actual question though, nope I am not aware of another WMS source :) Cheers, Tim From: David E. Nelson [mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca ] Sent: October 20, 2013 4:12 PM To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC Does anyone know of an OSM-compatible free WMS source we can use for aerial imagery for all of Nanaimo? Bing does not have street-level imagery for Nanaimo north of 49.14°N and east of 123.94°W, and all of the sources I can find for that imagery (Google, the City of Nanaimo itself) are walled off behind a layer of legal cowardice. - David E. Nelson attachment: winmail.dat___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC
There is also an Opendata plugin that can be added for some of the formats I am not familiar with all the formats available – Shape (SHP), Keyhole (KML) can be opened directly in the achieve they are downloaded in– I would create a new layer first, and it’ll prompt you for what you want to open (I,e, road centre lines, sidewalks, etc). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Shapefile http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/OpenData If you wanted to use the tiff file… I do not believe they supply a world file in the achieve so you would need something like the Piclayer plugin (I believe) From: David E. Nelson [mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca] Sent: October 20, 2013 6:08 PM To: Tim Whitehead; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC Could get that from their data source? http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/Engineering-Public-Works/GIS/Digi http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/Engineering-Public-Works/GIS/Digit alData.html http://data.nanaimo.ca/ http://data.nanaimo.ca/ http://www.nanaimo.ca/ortho/ http://www.nanaimo.ca/ortho/ (553A) Building/Properties/Road ways are available and can be overlayed in JOSM. And how do I do that? How do I import that data, both ways and photos, into JOSM? - David E. Nelson attachment: winmail.dat___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-GB] NPE data
I think this shows one of the benefits of adding source tags to our edits - because in the future a better source may come along. At the time a lot of natural features in the UK were traced from NPE maps and they made many parts of the UK in OSM much better than nothing. It's really encouraging, and we should further encourage folks to re-map and edit areas. When I encounter something tagged with NPE as the source, I feel more confident moving and editing it whether aligning a stream to Bing imagery or to my GPS trace we'd also need to remind people to change the source tag as well! Cheers and happy mapping! Tim On 6 October 2013 18:47, Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk wrote: +1 -Original Message- From: Philip Barnes [mailto:p...@trigpoint.me.uk] Sent: 06 October 2013 18:42 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] NPE data I tend to see an NPE tag as something that needs attention. A lot of the area, where I now live, North Shropshire, was armchair mapped using NPE maps. That includes a lot of roads, I am getting through resurveying them but even today I found one that according to my GPS was 50m from where it should be. In the case of a road I see it as an indication that there is a road there (somewhere), or it may be a dirt track, NPE did not show the difference and I have re-tagged quite a few of these. Phil (trigpoint) On Sun, 2013-10-06 at 16:23 +, Barnett, Phillip wrote: Paul, NPE maps were the first backgrounds for the editors other than some quite low res Yahoo imagery of the UK, so people used them for mapping streams/rivers/woods etc back in the day. As you have noticed, they don’t necessarily relate to modern streams – they may have dried up or been culverted/piped long since. They are all over 50 years old, (for copyright reasons) after all. Yes, if the facts on the ground have changed, then the stream needs to be moved, or removed. No process needed, just use an editor. Note – only remove NPE tagged items if you know they have changed – don’t just do a mass-remove! (That’s in the unlikely event you were planning to write a bot to remove them all!) Phil PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Paul Churchley [mailto:p...@churchley.org] Sent: 06 October 2013 16:57 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] NPE data I have come across some data tagged as source=npe. I know what the NPE maps are but my question is a bit of a newbies one... why is NPE data mapped on OSM if it is so old? I have just mapped an area for a customer of mine and there is a stream mapped running right through the centre of his property. It is tagged source=npe. The stream is no longer there and hasn't been for the 20 or so years he has owned the property. The old stream is showing up on OSM rendered tiles. His properly is a caravan site and so it would be good if his property did not have a stream that no longer exists running through it as it suggests that it might flood... which it doesn't. What is the situation regarding npe data? Can it be removed? Obviously I would just remove it!!! But is there is a process to get it removed? If it is to be kept, then how can we get the OSM tiles rendered without it showing this old stream? I can see that some specialist tiles might want to show old data like this but I wouldn't have thought it appropriate that normal OSM tiles would need to show this old data would it? Any help would be appreciated. Paul Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hand-drawn OS maps on Wikimedia Commons
Hi folks, just to add a little bit of brain food. I'm involved with the georeferencing / georectification side of things with the Wikimaps project with Wikimedia Commons with Susanna Anas as mentioned earlier. We're using a stripped down version of the open source mapwarper software which essentially uses the GDAL library behind the scenes. The idea is that an image of a map from the Commons can be georeferenced or georeferenced into a new warped image. There is of course a discussion about what to do with these resulting images, but there's also some interesting design threads about how to embed the georeferencing data back into the original image's metadata. This is all with a view towards the metadata needs to a library or archive for example (since they would be the types of organisations giving the source images to Commons). At the easiest level - what can be stored is a set of coordinate points, ground control points which match features on image space to geographic space. In addition a choice of mathematical transformation could also be stored. The idea is that a user can replicate the processing using GDAL and/or other desktop GIS programs. I'd say that corner points is useful for placing the image roughly in space but it's not reproducible nor comprehensive. I would imagine that there's already some well established standards within the library space. I think that any solution needs to be as open, accessible and reproducible as possible. It's only just getting it's feet off the ground but it's an interesting discussion anyhow, please do join! https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimaps cheers and happy mapping! Tim On 4 October 2013 23:59, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: The answer is it isn't really done ;-) As far as I can tell Commons currently has no documented way of embedding anything other than a single coordinate pair for an image, which is obviously okay for photos but pretty unhelpful for maps (or indeed aerial/satellite imagery). This is a pity, as there's some nicely curated map collections there and of course Susanna's work is likely to bring us a lot more. (I'll drop her a note about this discussion) I put together OSDcoords, which Andy pointed out, as a quick and dirty hack to make them display with the hope that it could be transformed into machine-readable multi-point metadata at a later date; to the best of my knowledge, its the only example we have of this. Making something more usable out of it is probably beyond my cartographic expertise, but we're happy to take guidance! Andrew. On 2 October 2013 16:17, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: I think what is best is a 'world file'. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_file. I dont quite know what technology wikimedia are using, but there are some experienced wikimedians in the OSM community: Susanna Anas from Helsinki has been driving a lot of activity about using old maps from GLAMs (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums). Obviously there is a need to store geolocation metadata with maps on wikimedia, but it's not obvious to me how this is done at the moment. Jerry On 30 September 2013 23:10, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Hi Steven, The short answer is not quite sure - I bodged these together from a couple of CSV metadata sheets. I think they've been exported from something else to get to this stage but I don't have access to that (though I could ask). Do you have an example of the kind of metadata/formatting you would need? (I mostly lurk on this mailing list; not a very active OSM/digital cartography type, so may be missing something obvious here) Are the KMZ/KML files from the BL sufficient? This is the same metadata same files (give or take a bit of cleaning up) so should match directly. Andrew. On 29 September 2013 17:20, Steven Horner ste...@stevenhorner.com wrote: Corner coordinates are now displaying, allowing these to be aligned adjusted to fit. Have fun! Are the configuration files available already somewhere or is there a plan to make them available so users of the maps could just load the maps rather than having to align themselves with the given coordinates. I have just aligned about half a dozen of the maps using MAPC2MAPC and the coordinates posted but it's a long job to do the whole 200 files. Happy to post the files somewhere of the ones I have done. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB
Re: [Talk-de] Velomap für Linux-Nutzer?
Bisher konnte ich aber nur EXE-Dateien zum Runterladen finden. Wo finde ich das Image, das ich einfach auf die SD-Karte kopieren kann? https://github.com/btittelbach/openmtbmap_openvelomap_linux also: aber habe ich nicht getested: https://github.com/quatauta/openmtbmap-scripts https://github.com/rpoisel/openmtbmap-py ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Blitzerrelation
Hallo Andreas, wenn meine Relation als korrekt bewertet wurde, kann ich das mit ruhigem Gewissen bei deiner ebenso machen. Sieht gut aus :-) Zu deiner weiteren Frage, was auf der Strasse bedeutet: Ich weiss nicht, ob du das meinst, aber bei den Relationsbeispielen von Enforcement steht dazu eine gute Erklärung http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Relation:enforcement#Beispiel_3a:_Einfacher_Geschwindigkeitsblitzer_auf_der_Stra.C3.9Fe Dort steht: Auf der Strasse bedeutet in der Mitte der Strasse, also zwischen den Fahrspuren. Neben der Strasse ist das Bild, welches du gepostet hast. Dabei ist es eben egal, wie weit der Blitzer neben der Strasse steht. Ich hoffe das hilft dir weiter. Gruß, Tim Am 13.08.2013 13:24, schrieb Andreas Schmidt: hallo, könnte mal bitte jemand rüberschauen, ob ich es richtig gemacht habe? Es ist meine erste Relation: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2408258350 Für konstruktive Kritik bin ich dankbar. Grüße Andreas Am 12.08.2013 22:25, schrieb Andreas Schmidt: Hallo, ich möchte auch gerade die selbe Frage lösen. Zusätzlich habe ich eine Frage zur Bedeutung von auf und neben. Die Frage habe ich hier schon online gestellt http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE_talk:Relation:enforcement Ist dieser http://www.blitzer.de/system/pictures/files/2013/08/72718/original_DSC00242.JPG Blitzer auf oder neben der Straße? Wie soll *auf* der Straße überhaupt funktionieren, der würde ja umgefahren... Grüße Andreas Am 12.08.2013 21:50, schrieb Tim: Ich habe mich einmal daran versucht, einen Blitzer richtig mit einer Relation zu mappen. Die Dokumentation zu verstehen ist wirklich nicht einfach. Ich habe trotzdem mein Glück versucht und würde nun gerne wissen, ob ich es denn in diesem Fall richtig gemacht habe? Der Blitzer knipst, wenn man von Norden in die Süden fährt und ist fest montiert. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3109670 Gruß, Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fahrradrouting mit OpenRouteService
Hallo, die alten Daten von ORS sind mir auch schon aufgefallen. Es wird wohl bei denen auch jemand gesucht, der Änderungen am Quellcode machen muss, da dort wohl irgendwas nicht mehr stimmt. Ich habe die folgende Liste einmal durchgearbeitet http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Using_OpenStreetMap#Route_online_berechnen und dort bekam ich nur bei yournavigation.org eine korrekte Route angezeigt. Leider funktioniert dort bei mir das Markieren und suchen nicht optimal. Ich habe somit eine bessere Alternative gesucht und bin bei http://www.komoot.de/ hängengeblieben. Dort gibt es wohl auch eine App für Android und iPhone zu. Gruß, Tim Am 22.07.2013 16:13, schrieb fly: Am 22.07.2013 15:42, schrieb Volker Schmidt: ich kannte http://www.yournavigation.org nicht. Ein kleiner Test macht mich stutzig. Padova - Vicenza (im Veneto, Italien) ergibt: 1) bicycle (routes) + fastest: die Route fuehrt ueber die Autobahn 2) bicyle + fastest: die Route fuehrt ueber Radwege und ausgewiesene, geplante Radrouten 3) bicylce + shortest: die Route fuehrt ueber die viel befahrene und meist radwegfreie Staatsstrasse Pass alles so nicht: (1) ist illegal (2) ist schoen, aber lang und langsam (3) ist die schnellste und kuerzeste Verbindung Gleiche Ergebnisse bei mir. Wobei (2) immer noch an einigen befahrenen Straßen mit Radweg entlang führt, anstatt die Seitenstraßen mit maxspeed 30 zu benutzen. Beim richtigen einordnen zum Linksabbiegen scheitert es auch. fly ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Blitzerrelation
Ich habe mich einmal daran versucht, einen Blitzer richtig mit einer Relation zu mappen. Die Dokumentation zu verstehen ist wirklich nicht einfach. Ich habe trotzdem mein Glück versucht und würde nun gerne wissen, ob ich es denn in diesem Fall richtig gemacht habe? Der Blitzer knipst, wenn man von Norden in die Süden fährt und ist fest montiert. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3109670 Gruß, Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Qualitätsverbesserung von SpeedCamera-Relationen
Am 29.07.2013 13:13, schrieb Eckhart Wörner: Hallo Tirkon, Am Samstag, 27. Juli 2013, 01:38:56 schrieb Tirkon: Ich denke, dass die Enforcement-Wikiseite http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Relation:enforcement mit ihren Relationen und ellenlanger komplizierter Beschreibung die meisten User vom Mappen der Speedcams abschreckt. Es geht auch einfacher: highway=speed_camera maxspeed=X Auch wenn dabei möglicherweise in der nicht betroffenen Fahrtrichtung gewarnt wird. Möglicherweise ist wohl eher praktisch immer. Eckhart Und praktisch immer ist wirklich nervig. Gerade letztes Wochenende wieder von meiner OSM Routing App an Stellen gewarnt worden, wo die Blitzer nur in eine Richtung zeigen. Ich habe daraufhin mich einmal daran versucht, einen Blitzer richtig zu mappen. Die Dokumentation zu verstehen ist wirklich nicht einfach. Ein abschrecken ist hier definitiv vorhanden. Ich habe trotzdem mein Glück versucht und würde nun gerne wissen, ob ich es denn in diesem Fall richtig gemacht habe? Der Blitzer knipst, wenn man von Norden in die Süden fährt und ist fest montiert. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3109670 Gruß, Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[OSM-talk-nl] blog.openstreetmap.nl heeft een parse error
Hallo Osm, Het osm blog op http://blog.openstreetmap.nl/ geeft een error als je het bezoekt. Kan iemand het '' in blog.openstreetmap.nl/public_html/index.php op lijn 60 even goed zetten? Ik wil namelijk graag lezen wat er ook al weer precies op http://blog.openstreetmap.nl/index.php/2012/09/30/visualisatie-van-openbaar-vervoer-en-wandelen/ stond. Bij voorbaat dank. -- /Met Vriendelijke Groeten,/ *Tim Blokdijk* ICT en Procescoördinator Stichting Thuiszorg De Sleutel Nieuwe Fellenoord 38, 5612 KD Eindhoven Tel. 040-2489669 ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [Talk-de] Gibt OSM auch Daten über die Beitragenden heraus?
Denn wenn diese Daten herausgegeben werden, dann könnte ja jede X-beliebige Person dieselben Analysen durchführen, die Pascal intern durchgeführt hat. Er hat sie nicht „intern“ durchgeführt, sondern anhand der Rausgegebenen User-Metadaten (deren genau Lizenz trotz seiner anderslautenden Meinung definitiv uneindeutig ist) Ich war bisher der Auffassung, dass Pascal vom Board die Erlaubnis gehabt hätte, weil ich entsprechend der schon genannten OSM-Verpackung geglaubt hatte, dass solche Daten nicht rausgegeben werden. Könntest Du einen Links schicken? Welche Auswertungen meinst Du hier? Danke vorab. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Datenschutz bei OSM Einträgen
Mal Datenschutz außen vor: Das sind doch Daten die in der Regel in OSM nicht gewünscht sind weil sie zu sehr Spezialdaten sind. Ich glaube solche Daten wurden auch schon mal Geofachdaten genannt. Wirklich nachprüfbar sind die für den allgemeinen Mapper auch nicht. Ja, klar sind dies zum Teil Geofachdaten. Aber ich sehe zum Teil ein berechtigtes öffentliches Interesse an einigen. Daher ist z.B.: * Wo hat die Gemeinde Grundstücke (Stichwort: Bauplanung)? * Welche Firmen gehören den öffentlichen Betrieben und wo sind deren Liegenschaften / Teil-Bereiche (Stichwort: Offener Haushalt)? * Wer ist der Eigentümer einer Privatstraße (Stichwort: Zugang zu Sehenswürdigkeiten) In eine vergleichbare Richtung geht eine Aufstellung darüber welche Arten von Pflanzen auf einer Wiese wachsen, welche Temperatur ein Gewässer im Monatsmittel hat oder ähnliches. OK, verstehe. Gutes Beispiel. Aber wie verhält es sich mit der Info über die Präsenz von gefährdeten Arten? Ein See ist einer der wenigen Orte, wo der Seeadler brütet. Diese Info könnte auch wichtig sein, damit Leute diese Flächen zum Schutzzwecke aus Freizeitkarten (z.B. für Ultraleichtflieger) ausschließen. Oder folgendes wäre spannend: Wo liegen Testfelder für Genpflanzen? Diese Daten haben sicher alle einen irgendwie gearteten Geo-Bezug. Aber wie Bezug schon sagt, die müssen nicht in OSM enthalten sein sondern können dann von der Anwendung in Bezug gesetzt werden. Habt Ihr Beispiele, für Anwendungen, die solchen Verknüpfung mit OSM leicht machen? Klar kann man immer die Daten ins GIS ziehen und dort konvertieren (evtl. Shapeformat) und dann eine Verknüpfung durchführen. Dies wäre aber sehr aufwändig, um auch von Updates in der OSM DB zu nutzen. Ein interessanter Dienst wäre: * UMap * http://umap.fluv.io/en/map/test-page_204 Kennt Ihr ähnliche Tools? Die Webseiten zeigen ja hauptsächlich Wege, die Basemap zu erstellen: * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Deploying_your_own_Slippy_Map * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Deploying_your_own_Slippy_Map Danke Für Eure Antworten bisher. Gruß. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Datenschutz bei OSM Einträgen
Am 16.07.2013 16:35, schrieb Wolfgang Barth: Stephan Knauss osm at stephans-server.de writes: Darf man z.B. eintragen z.B.: * Die Lieferanten eines Restaurants / Geschäftes eintragen? * Den Vorstand eines Vereins eintragen? * Den Eigentümer eines Hauses / Grundstückes (Kann auch ein Fonds, Wohnbaugesellschaft, Behörde, Firma o.ä. sein) * Angaben zu Nutzern einer Einrichtung machen? Mal Datenschutz außen vor: Das sind doch Daten die in der Regel in OSM nicht gewünscht sind weil sie zu sehr Spezialdaten sind. Ich glaube solche Daten wurden auch schon mal Geofachdaten genannt. Wirklich nachprüfbar sind die für den allgemeinen Mapper auch nicht. Hier meine Ansichten dazu: * Lieferanten haben in einem Kartensystem wirklich nichts verloren. gut. * Der Vorstand eines Vereins auch nicht, das sind keine Geodaten. gut. * Der Eigentümer eines Geo-Objekts könnte interessant sein, aber PERSONENDATEN sind datenschutzrechtlich problematisch. Diesen Fall wollte ich auch gar nicht einschließen. Dies ist explizit Datenschutz. Aber auch hier: * Wäre berechtigtes öffentliches Interesse wäre, wenn in dem Haus früher einer bekannten Person (Schriftsteller, Politiker, etc.) gehört hatte oder darin gewohnt hatte? * Was ist mit Denkmalschutz? Sagen wir, das Haus ist irgendwo auf dem Amtsblatt als denkmalgeschützt eingetragen und dies findet Eingang in OSM. Interessierte Historiker fahren nach Studie von OSM am Haus vorbei. Dabei entdecken sie, dass der Dachstuhl nach Belieben des Nutzers/Eigentümers ersetzt wurde... Ist der Eigentümer also nicht eine Privatperson, sondern ein Fonds, Wohnungsbaugesellschaft, Behörde, Firma, dann greift der Datenschutz nicht und es sind auch in Richtung Geodaten interessante Angaben. Ich finde dies ist ein gutes Beispiel. Im öffentlichen Interesse wäre es schon, die Wohnbaugesellschaften einzutragen (Wie viele Häuser besitzen die wo? / Ab wann ging diese Zahl -- evtl. durch Veräußerungen runter?). Aber was sagen die Mieter? Die Miete ist dort evtl. günstiger (Neid, Geomarketing etc.) * Nutzerangaben evtl. im Sinne von dass ein Gelände für Kneippianer, Kinder, alte Leute ... vorgesehen ist, sehe ich als interessante Geoinformation an. Ja, das sind auch direkte Objektinfos. Und eine Raucherkneipe (ab 18 Jahren Zutritt)? Danke für die Antworten und Grüße, Timmie ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Datenschutz bei OSM Einträgen
Hallo, ich suche eine Infos, Erklärung oder Richtlinie, welche Eintragungen und bis zu welcher Detailtiefe bei OSM erwünscht sind, und ab welchem Punkt von einer Eintragung v.a. aus Datenschutzgründen abgesehen werden sollte. Darf man z.B. eintragen z.B.: * Die Lieferanten eines Restaurants / Geschäftes eintragen? * Den Vorstand eines Vereins eintragen? * Den Eigentümer eines Hauses / Grundstückes (Kann auch ein Fonds, Wohnbaugesellschaft, Behörde, Firma o.ä. sein) * Angaben zu Nutzern einer Einrichtung machen? Alternativ kann ich mir für solche zu sensiblen Infos vorstellen, meine Daten separat zusammenzuführen oder als wepmapp-overlay nur anzuzeigen. Ich weiß, dass es immer Grauzonen gibt. Aber ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass die OSM-Community diese Fragen schon mal geklärt hat. Über Hinweise oder Links darauf wäre ich sehr dankbar. Links zum Thema: * http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=9887 * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?search=datenschutz Danke im Voraus und Grüße, Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-GB] Historic Maps - Can you help?
Thought this would be a good place to plug mapwarper.net if folks have their own images and want to upload and georeference them online. Cheers, Tim ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-de] Freie Navigationicons?
Wenn man bei Google „navigation icons“ oder ähnliches eingibt, wird man ja erschlagen mit allen möglichen Icons. Ich habe unzählige schöne Icons gefunden, teils auch unter CC-Lizenzen, oder zu anderen freien Lizenzbedingungen, aber die Icons sind alle eher auf den Computerbereich zugeschnitten. Das ist in sofern ja erstmal nicht weiter schlimm, da es auch dort Pfeile, Stoppzeichen, Häuschensymbole und Kreuze, etc. gibt, aber die passen irgendwie nicht alle so richtig. Meine Frage also: Kennt einer von euch freie Navigations-Icons (Startpunkt, Endpunkt, Pause, Fähre, Rastplatz, Übernachtung, Aussichtsplatz, etc. eben die gängigen POIs), die auch noch einigermaßen gut aussehen? Wild aus irgendwelchen Iconsets zusammensuchen widerstrebt mir, da die Icons dann alle einen unterschiedlichen Stil haben, das Iconset sollte schon in sich stimmig sein. gvSIG hat jetzt viele neue Iconsets: google site:http://blog.gvsig.org/ symbols library http://blog.gvsig.org/tag/gvsig-2-0/ http://blog.gvsig.org/tag/symbols/ ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[OSRM-talk] Is it possible to generate a heatmap?
Hello Osrm, I'm have been doing some experimentation with OSM (setting up a title server, playing with open layers) and I more or less understand the capabilities. I'm starting to look at routing. A thing I'm interested in is having a heatmap based on routing data. Basically I want to set a coordinate and a time value and see what area can be reached. Has anyone tried to do something like this? -- /Met Vriendelijke Groeten,/ *Tim Blokdijk* ICT en Procescoördinator Stichting Thuiszorg De Sleutel Nieuwe Fellenoord 38, 5612 KD Eindhoven Tel. 040-2489669 ___ OSRM-talk mailing list OSRM-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osrm-talk
[Talk-GB] Orientation of buildings from OSM in the UK
Thought this may be of interest to folks. The chart illustrates the alignment of buildings in the OSM database, for the British Isles. The trace of each building was divided into line segments, and the orientation of each segment to due north was calculated. Then the lengths of segment were totalled according to their orientation, and the result plotted http://tlatet.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/what-is-going-on-here.html Tim ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-ca] DataBC's Open Data - OGL v1.0 and Nanaimo compatibility
At the moment I am interested in Aerial photos (Nanaimo has some 2012 in tiff format), buildings and civic addressing. I am originally from Nanaimo, but currently live in Victoria. From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com] Sent: April 13, 2013 11:28 PM To: 'Tim Whitehead' Cc: talk...@openstreetmap.org; legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-ca] DataBC's Open Data - OGL v1.0 and Nanaimo compatibility The current Nanaimo license is not compatible with OSM. In fact, the current Nanaimo license does not permit you to redistribute their data at all! I have some contacts from the Open Data summit and I’ll see if I can make any progress on the license issue. Was there a particular dataset you were interested in? It’s always easier if I have specific examples I can point to. Also, are you from Nanaimo? From: Tim Whitehead [mailto:spero.shirope...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:24 PM To: Legal-talk OSM Cc: OSM Talk-ca Subject: [Talk-ca] DataBC's Open Data - OGL v1.0 and Nanaimo compatibility Hello, In a search I found Open Data on DataBC’s website, the OGL v1.0 [http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/local/dbc/docs/license/OGL-vbc1.0.pdf] – which to me looks promising. On the following page [http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/dbc/about/open_data.page], they list a few regions that have an open data policy – At this time I would be interested in the City of Nanaimo. Nanaimo has a number of open data formats - http://data.nanaimo.ca/, however the wording used on Nanaimo’s license is not clear to me whether at this time it would be compatible with OSM. http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/106/DataCatalogue/Licence.html The City of Nanaimo is currently investigating options for formal open data licensing. In the meantime, please treat this as a broad license to use the currently published data for your own analysis and applications, subject to the following disclaimer: 1.All rights, title and interest (including copyright, patent and other intellectual property rights) contained in the Information remain vested in the City of Nanaimo at all times. 2.The City of Nanaimo does not warrant or guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the Information. Ongoing updates may not be incorporated into the Information available on the City of Nanaimo website. Users are urged to verify the accuracy of information against copies of actual plans or source documents. 3.If there is a conflict between the Information on the web page and information contained in any other records of the City of Nanaimo or documents that may be prepared by or delivered to the City of Nanaimo, the City of Nanaimo reserves the right to rely in all cases upon the record which it considers to be the most accurate and complete. While we would certainly appreciate credit for provision of the data, this is not a strict requirement. Would anyone be able to advise me on this? Or would it be best to make an inquiry with the City of Nanaimo? Many thanks, Tim ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [Talk-ca] DataBC's Open Data - OGL v1.0 and Nanaimo compatibility
At the moment I am interested in Aerial photos (Nanaimo has some 2012 in tiff format), buildings and civic addressing. I am originally from Nanaimo, but currently live in Victoria. From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com] Sent: April 13, 2013 11:28 PM To: 'Tim Whitehead' Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org; legal-t...@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-ca] DataBC's Open Data - OGL v1.0 and Nanaimo compatibility The current Nanaimo license is not compatible with OSM. In fact, the current Nanaimo license does not permit you to redistribute their data at all! I have some contacts from the Open Data summit and I’ll see if I can make any progress on the license issue. Was there a particular dataset you were interested in? It’s always easier if I have specific examples I can point to. Also, are you from Nanaimo? From: Tim Whitehead [mailto:spero.shirope...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:24 PM To: Legal-talk OSM Cc: OSM Talk-ca Subject: [Talk-ca] DataBC's Open Data - OGL v1.0 and Nanaimo compatibility Hello, In a search I found Open Data on DataBC’s website, the OGL v1.0 [http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/local/dbc/docs/license/OGL-vbc1.0.pdf] – which to me looks promising. On the following page [http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/dbc/about/open_data.page], they list a few regions that have an open data policy – At this time I would be interested in the City of Nanaimo. Nanaimo has a number of open data formats - http://data.nanaimo.ca/, however the wording used on Nanaimo’s license is not clear to me whether at this time it would be compatible with OSM. http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/106/DataCatalogue/Licence.html The City of Nanaimo is currently investigating options for formal open data licensing. In the meantime, please treat this as a broad license to use the currently published data for your own analysis and applications, subject to the following disclaimer: 1.All rights, title and interest (including copyright, patent and other intellectual property rights) contained in the Information remain vested in the City of Nanaimo at all times. 2.The City of Nanaimo does not warrant or guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the Information. Ongoing updates may not be incorporated into the Information available on the City of Nanaimo website. Users are urged to verify the accuracy of information against copies of actual plans or source documents. 3.If there is a conflict between the Information on the web page and information contained in any other records of the City of Nanaimo or documents that may be prepared by or delivered to the City of Nanaimo, the City of Nanaimo reserves the right to rely in all cases upon the record which it considers to be the most accurate and complete. While we would certainly appreciate credit for provision of the data, this is not a strict requirement. Would anyone be able to advise me on this? Or would it be best to make an inquiry with the City of Nanaimo? Many thanks, Tim ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[OSM-legal-talk] DataBC's Open Data - OGL v1.0 and Nanaimo compatibility
Hello, In a search I found Open Data on DataBC’s website, the OGL v1.0 [http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/local/dbc/docs/license/OGL-vbc1.0.pdf] – which to me looks promising. On the following page [http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/dbc/about/open_data.page], they list a few regions that have an open data policy – At this time I would be interested in the City of Nanaimo. Nanaimo has a number of open data formats - http://data.nanaimo.ca/, however the wording used on Nanaimo’s license is not clear to me whether at this time it would be compatible with OSM. http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/106/DataCatalogue/Licence.html The City of Nanaimo is currently investigating options for formal open data licensing. In the meantime, please treat this as a broad license to use the currently published data for your own analysis and applications, subject to the following disclaimer: 1.All rights, title and interest (including copyright, patent and other intellectual property rights) contained in the Information remain vested in the City of Nanaimo at all times. 2.The City of Nanaimo does not warrant or guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the Information. Ongoing updates may not be incorporated into the Information available on the City of Nanaimo website. Users are urged to verify the accuracy of information against copies of actual plans or source documents. 3.If there is a conflict between the Information on the web page and information contained in any other records of the City of Nanaimo or documents that may be prepared by or delivered to the City of Nanaimo, the City of Nanaimo reserves the right to rely in all cases upon the record which it considers to be the most accurate and complete. While we would certainly appreciate credit for provision of the data, this is not a strict requirement. Would anyone be able to advise me on this? Or would it be best to make an inquiry with the City of Nanaimo? Many thanks, Tim ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[Talk-ca] DataBC's Open Data - OGL v1.0 and Nanaimo compatibility
Hello, In a search I found Open Data on DataBC’s website, the OGL v1.0 [http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/local/dbc/docs/license/OGL-vbc1.0.pdf] – which to me looks promising. On the following page [http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/dbc/about/open_data.page], they list a few regions that have an open data policy – At this time I would be interested in the City of Nanaimo. Nanaimo has a number of open data formats - http://data.nanaimo.ca/, however the wording used on Nanaimo’s license is not clear to me whether at this time it would be compatible with OSM. http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/106/DataCatalogue/Licence.html The City of Nanaimo is currently investigating options for formal open data licensing. In the meantime, please treat this as a broad license to use the currently published data for your own analysis and applications, subject to the following disclaimer: 1.All rights, title and interest (including copyright, patent and other intellectual property rights) contained in the Information remain vested in the City of Nanaimo at all times. 2.The City of Nanaimo does not warrant or guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the Information. Ongoing updates may not be incorporated into the Information available on the City of Nanaimo website. Users are urged to verify the accuracy of information against copies of actual plans or source documents. 3.If there is a conflict between the Information on the web page and information contained in any other records of the City of Nanaimo or documents that may be prepared by or delivered to the City of Nanaimo, the City of Nanaimo reserves the right to rely in all cases upon the record which it considers to be the most accurate and complete. While we would certainly appreciate credit for provision of the data, this is not a strict requirement. Would anyone be able to advise me on this? Or would it be best to make an inquiry with the City of Nanaimo? Many thanks, Tim ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Building Tracing in CRD (Victoria) - A Building/Civic MapCraft Project
Well I am going to start my first project of adding buildings since being introduced to MapCraft the other day by another user DaCor who also has a nice diary entry regarding MapCraft [ http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DaCor/diary http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DaCor/diary]. The goal of this cake is to outline any buildings that would have a civic address but feel free to add any others if you wish. The cake is spliced up South of Fort Street and East of Foul Bay Rd (I'll be moving North when this project is completed, but we'll see how long this one takes first!). It consists of 305 splices, that was a project and a half to do itself! Feel free to help out, just head over to http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/240 http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/240 and claim your slice and start mapping! If you do help out please comment your commits with http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/240 mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/240 no quotes. We'll use this to track the commits and see if we can make a nifty animation afterwards. Maybe afterwards we can use http://www.maposmatic.org/ http://www.maposmatic.org/ to print off a map booklet and see the fruits of our labour! Regards, Tim (SperoShiroPetto) G+ Community: OpenStreetMap – Vancouver Island Post: https://plus.google.com/101502024872797268469/posts/PP6hPky8qjn ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk] Explanation of crowd sourcing?
On 16 March 2013 00:59, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Hi I wanted to send a link to people who'd never heard of OSM that explains the basics of what it is entails, but I couldn't find a page with a clear, simple explanation of what crowd sourcing is that they can contribute . You could have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons-based_peer_production which applies to OSM - and which I think also describes this type of crowdsourcing. As crowdsourcing is sometimes thought of by internet capitalists as getting stuff that would cost money done for free by volunteers, I always try to tell people that: crowdsourcing is not getting people to do your work for you, but rather changing your work so that people can participate and collaborate together with it Cheers, Tim ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Group of croatian mappers is visiting UK
Hi Hrvoje, this sounds great, I hope that some local mappers can meet up (I'm a little bit far away). Could you tell us a little bit more about the project? Is it being held in other countries? Are they all using OSM? cheers, Tim On 11 January 2013 10:14, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Follow-ups to talk-gb please -Original Message- From: hbogner [mailto:hbog...@gmail.com] Sent: 10 January 2013 21:32 To: t...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Group of croatian mappers is visiting UK We are participating in a international project to activate youth and create printed maps with interesting locations for them. Decision fell to OSM, guess why :D Around 9 of us will be doing OSM workshops in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Blaengarw from 15th to 18th of January. If you are near here feel free to join us. We'll also be based in Cardiff during that time, over night. From 19th to 20th January, schedule puts us in London, probably Greenwich, so we would like to meet with London mappers on Saturday 19th. Hope to meet some of you in those places we visit. Feel free to contact me. Regards Hrvoje ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6023 - Release Date: 01/10/13 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Problem with an Etrex 20
On 20 November 2012 00:03, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone compared the etrex20 to the gpsmap 60Csx regarding positional accuracy? Recently got strange problems on my 60Csx (can turn it on, but when turned off it won't switch on again unless I remove the batteries for a second, and I suspect it also continues to consume electricity while turned off. Another issue which appeared at the same time: when I switch it on, show on road is always turned on which is not suitable for OSM track recording, and I think to recall that before this setting was remembered by the device). I fear it will break completely the next time so was looking for a new device and spotted the etrex 20. Would you recommend it for track recording? It works nicely for me. It appears to remember the setting for show on road etc. And the battery life is wonderful - it can also take the standard AA batteries, which are widely available. I'm not sure about accuracy, but it improved when I turned it on to use the GLOSNASS. Before that, it was a bit inaccurate when I carried it in my pocket. Cheers, Tim cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Problem with an Etrex 20
Hello, I have a new etrex20 also. On 18 November 2012 03:02, Banick, Robert robert.ban...@redcross.org wrote: Hi Sebastian, It certainly sounds like your USB Controller is dead, but here's a thought: Garmins can be finicky about the cables they're used with. Are you using the USB cable that came with the Etrex 20? If not then it might not recognize the device when plugged in. The supplied cable is a small one, about 1ft long, if that helps. Otherwise, I would also recommend accessing the SD card directly. I experienced some issues with the SD card, in that the fitting / cradle for it was a bit loose and often became open when I changed the batteries, which lead to the SD card not working - however, this shouldnt affect the USB. Regards, Tim ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI Viewer in distance
Hello, On 14 November 2012 18:35, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote: hi all we develop a POI VIewer on Leaftlet, with distance around 300 POI around 10 km. the engine develop using hibernate with Lucense, Hibernate SEarch.. www.hibernate.org this search is the search engine which power the Hadoop http://hadoop.apache.org please test the apps.. http://bantusekolahku.kemdikbud.go.id/module/eduunit you can drag the map, and see how the POI changing based on the distance Nice, search request seems very fast - is it open source, or is the code available online? Did you have to do anything special for spatial searches with Lucense, Hibernate SEarch? Cheers, Tim ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Garmin eTrex 30 - just reduced on amazon
Nuts, I just this week got a etrex 20 for a little bit less than this. Tim ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Gibraltar - Mapping Party?
On 2 October 2012 22:47, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, I'll come back with more once I catch up with Roger. In the meantime, would this idea float anyone's boat Sounds good - also, yes to advance notice for cheaper airfares etc Tim ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] SotM 2013
Hi On 17 September 2012 18:00, Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net wrote: Just to throw another venue idea into the mix, how about Warwick University? Advantages: it keeps winning awards as one of the best conference venues in the UK, and can offer a very full-service event where the venue will provide all the materials needed for the organisers as well as things like extra people to help do the running around (putting up signs etc). I work within walking distance and could act as venue liaison. Coventry isn't far from Nottingham which will host FOSS4G. Takes just over an hour on the train from London and is in the centre of the motorway network too. Traditionally SOTMs have been run by us, the volunteers, versus professional organizers. (In comparison the larger FOSS4G is run by professionals). I think this keeps costs down and in my opinion makes it a more friendly affair. I'm not sure if this is set in stone, but I think we should be prepared to run everything ourselves. Also, you should factor this in when talking with spaces - some purpose built conference venues are not used to people running things themselves (including food etc). Tim Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK __**_ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-gbhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-de] Unterwasser-Seekabel im Mittelmeer gerendert :-(
Hallo! Als Input für die Diskussion: libosmscout geht für die Bestimmung von Land und Meeresflächen für Teilimporte (coastline ist keine geschlossene Linie) davon aus, dass Gegenden (Tiles), die bestimmte Wege beinhalten (deren Typ signalisiert, dass dort Land ist) Land sind und markiert dieses entsprechend. Da ist eine eindeutige Unterscheidung, ob dass nun eine Hochspannungsleitung o.ä. oder ein Seekabel ist, recht wichtig ;-) Das hat nicht auf Anhieb funktioniert und ein offensichtlich unterschiedliches Tagging mit klaren Kriterien ist da hilfreich (ja, Zonen für Seebestattungen hatten ähnliche Effekte, konnten aber glücklicherweise eben unterschieden werden von klassischen Friedhöfen...es gab auch ein paar barriers). -- Gruß... Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [OSM-talk] Map and Programm for Offline
Hello! i search a programm which can see offline the maps and can calculate a route on my netbook. I use Gentoo Linux. I have installed navit, but the routing only with GPS Connectivity. Know someone the programm Geologger for Symbian? Which maps i can use with it. I need Germany, French, Spain (best as europe all together) and North Africa. libosmscout is a library that offer such features (offline map drawing and offline routing calculation). There are demo applications, but no ready to use applications. Depending on your (not specified in detail) requirements this is what you want...or not. -- Gruß... Tim ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus der Sicht der Auswertung - Segen oder Fluch??
Hallo! ich möchte mal wieder eine Frage an die Allgemeinheit stellen auch auf die Gefahr hin zerrissen zu werden. doof, weil Es geht um die Frage wie ist soetwas überhaupt vernünftig und performant in der Auswertung zu realisieren. Das Beispiel kann sicherlich auch auf andere Relationen übertragen werden. Immer werden verschiedene Elemente bei Relationen zusammengeführt die irgendetwas gemeinsam haben und man so verhindern will das Redundante Daten entstehen. Die Frage die ich nun stellen möchte - ist es überhaupt irgendwie möglich solche Verbindungen performant aufzuschlüsseln? und gibt es vielleicht schon Programm(teile) dafür von denen ich nicht weiß. Relation sind nicht grundsätzlich schlecht und können performant abgearbeitet werden. Es gibt aber dennoch in der Praxis gute und schlechte Nutzung von Relationen die es einem Programm mehr oder weniger schwierig machen, diese zu verarbeiten. Leider befürchte ich, dass die Einhaltung einige Kriterien, die es einer Software einfacher machen, es einem Mapper schwieriger machen. Grundsätzlich ist das OSM-Format (im weitesten Sinne) für eine Software immer dann gut, wenn es eine eindeutige Anwendung gibt, wenn ein Problem auf eine Art gemappt wird. Mehrere Varianten zu implementieren ist doof, speziell Ergebnisse beider Ansätze dann wieder zusammenzuführen. Turn Restrictions sind daher OK, Die verschiedenen Hausnummern-Ansätze daher eher schlecht. Schlecht ist auch, wenn Relationen zu einer unscharfen oder lokalen Suche führen, da Referenzen nicht direkt sind. D.h.statt Objekte über die Id zu referenzieren werden sie über ihren Namen referenziert (Die Bahnhofsstr. vor dem Haus ist für Software leider algorithmisch nicht so simpel auf zu lösen wie für den Mapper). Ich verstehe, das direkte Objektreferenzen fragil sind, aber warum klappt bei Turn Restrictions dies, aber bei Hausnummern nicht? Multipolygon und Turn Restrictions sind daher hier OK, Hausnummern Relationen eher nicht. Ich vermute mal,dass es weitere solche Regeln gibt, die die Qualität eines Mappings -speziell von Relationen - aus der Sicht einer Software-Auswertung bewertbar macht. Eine Diskussion und eine Liste wäre ggf. hilfreich und könnte dem nicht-programmierenden Mapper Problemzonen klarer machen, Als Softwareentwickler bin ich dafür, dass jeder Mapper für seine Syntax auch einen performanten Algorithmus liefern muss ;-), aber ich kann den Widerstand der Mapper verstehen. Ich würde mir aber öfters wünschen, dass wenn man nicht für den Renderer mapped, dann doch die Software im Allgemeinen nicht ganz aus den Augen läßt, die das wieder zusammenstoppeln muss. Manches mit Liebe gemappte Feature wäre vermutlich schon längst sichtbar(er), wenn es denn einfach auszuwerten wäre. -- Gruß... Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus der Sicht der Auswertung - Segen oder Fluch??
Hallo! Ich möchte in dem Zshg. auf [1] verweisen - dato hat fast jede Bundesstraße ihre eigene Relation, so auch viele Landes-, bzw. Staatsstraßen. Auch innerorts ist OSM mit immerhin rund 12.000 Relationen vom Typ street dabei [2], welche gesplittete Wege gleichen Namens explizit in Relation setzen. ich habe mal versucht, eben über Autobahn-Relationen dass Autobahnnetz vollständig aufzubauen. Das wäre hilfreich gewesen, um eine optimierte (aka punktreduzierte) Variante des Netzes für niedrige Zoomlevel zu erzeugen. Das ist kläglich gescheitert. Zum einen, weil die bestehenden Export Extrakte mit Relationen nicht pfleglich genug umgehen zum anderen(die Strategie wäre da für jeden Relationstyp auch möglicherweise eine andere), weil die Relationen einfach nicht vollständig waren. Ein Qualitätsproblem, welches dazu führt, dass ich Relationen nun nur noch für ein paar wenige Zwecke auswerte - für diesen aber eben nicht. Diese Arbeit war für meine Ziele umsonst :-/ - Robustheit - ist ein Faktum sowohl als Relation, als auch über Tags an den Primitiven gemappt, steigt z.B. die Anzahl der Methoden, die QM-Tools verwenden können, um Plausibilität und Konsistenz der Daten zu prüfen - am Beispiel der Bundesstraßen wäre z.B. denkbar, dass man das Ergebnis einer errechneten Relation (alle ways mit ref=B x) mit gemappten Relationen vergleicht, zusätzlich zu den gängigen Tests auf Lücken für Route-Relationen - im Bezug auf das Tagging entsteht eine Robustheit dadurch, dass es unwahrscheinlich ist, dass ein Mapper sowohl auf dem way als auch in der Relation versehentlich das gleiche ändert/löscht Für eine Softwarenutzung irrelevant. Automatisches Auflösen von Widersprüchen ist sehr aufwändig und eine Entscheidung hat eine offensichtliche 50/50 Chance. Da schenke ich mir die Relation gleich, wenn möglich. - Wartbarkeit / Datenmanagement - existieren sowohl Relation als auch Primitiven, kann der Mapper Information gewichten, d.h. bestimmte Informationen redundant halten, andere nicht - bsp.-weise könnte man sich der Übersichtlichkeit wegen entscheiden, auf den Primitiven nur die nötigste Information zu taggen (ref/name), während die Relation Zusatzinformation hält (tmc, name:de, name:en, name:xyz, ..) - damit bleiben die einfacheren und vermutlich häufigeren Anwendungsfälle auch ohne Relation-Lookup lösbar Das Verteilen von Daten zu einem Objekt über mehrere andere Objekte macht es Software sehr viel schwieriger diese Daten zusammenzuführen. Es sind viel mehr Daten gleichzeitig in der Luft zu halten. Das bedeutet, geringere Performance, mehr Hauptspeicherbedarf. Widersprüche (s.o.) können auftreten. Software hätte gerne Datenlokalität. Es gibt schön Gründe warum Datenbanken normalisiert sein sollen. - Zugänglichkeit - Verschiedene Leute verwenden verschiedene Mapping-Methoden. Während die strukturierteren Leute sich evtl. gezielt mit einem bestimmten Thema beschäftigen (sei es Bundesstraßen, Wasserläufe, Geschäfte, etc.) und es demnach begrüßen, wenn sie, statt einem Gebiet, gleich über eine Relation die jeweils zu bearbeitenden Daten selektiv in ihren Editor ziehen können, um den aktuellen Stand zu prüfen, interessiert diese Art des Zugangs den Pionier im relativ datenlosen Gebiet kaum. Verschiedene Zugänge zu Daten ist für Software OK, da man flexibler gegenüber mehreren Lösungsansätzen ist. Dafür muss aber alle Zugänge zu allen Daten führen. Das ist bei OSM eher nicht der Fall. Obige Aspekte spiegeln die Sicht eines Mapper wieder. Die Punkte sind aus seiner Sicht nicht falsch. Die Sicht des Mappers ist aber nur eine Sicht, die Sicht einer Software und deren Entwickler ist eine andere. Es gelten andere Kriterien,die teilweise im Widerspruch zu den Kriterien des Mappers sind. Will man nicht nur an der Bearbeitungs-Useability des Mappers arbeiten sondern auch an der Qualität des Software-erstellten Ergebnisses, sind diese Kriterien mehr in Einklang zu bringen. Zu viel Mach es wie du willst macht es der Software schwer, zu viel Genau nach Schema und mit klarer Definition und nicht anders sorgt dafür, dass die Mapper wegrennen. Haben beide Seiten mehr Fingerspitzengefühl und Verständnis für die Bedürfnisse des anderen, kann was Tolles daraus werden :-) -- Gruß... Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-GB] routing on the road network
Hi This is a general question about the current state of the maps. When we use our commercial road networks (OS Mastermap Navteq) for road routing we tend to assume that the roads have been analysed for connectivity, that there are no one-way streets leading to dead ends, that you can't turn left off a flyover onto the road underneath and so forth). we also assume that there is only one link connecting two points if there is only one physical road link, and that all intersections are proper intersections. We have written tools to address check these issues in the past (and clearly not all map makers have always addressed them internally). How suitable is OSM GB for routing, right now, with this level of detail? Do corresponding network analysis tools exist? I did try about 3 months ago to follow details for building a routable network using pgrouting and one of the programs in the chain seemed to do thousands of fixups to the data. If we did such an analysis (which would be quite a big investment) and came to the conclusion there were 10s of thousands of errors - which seems to be entirely possible - would there be any appetite in the community for fixing them? Certainly such an endeavour would be way beyond our budget. Tim -- Tim Pigden Optrak Distribution Software Limited +44 (0)1992 517100 http://www.linkedin.com/in/timpigden http://optrak.com Optrak Distribution Software Ltd is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Company Registration No. 2327613 Registered Offices: Orland House, Mead Lane, Hertford, SG13 7AT England This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Optrak Distribution Software Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-ca] STM opens its data
Hi guys and gals, I haven't looked into this at all, but it's exciting to see the Société de transport de Montréal, the local transit authority, open it's scheduling data. I assume in here we will also find positioning data of all the bus stops. A possible source of import? http://www.stm.info/English/en-bref/a-developpeurs.htm Cheers, Tim FitzGerald ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-de] WIWOSM-Projekt ist live
Hallo, das Projekt zum Highlighten von OSM-Objekten in der Wikipedia ist in seiner Beta-Phase jetzt live geschalten: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WIWOSM Erstmal ist die Live-Schaltung nur in dt.Sprache aktiv. Beta-Phase deshalb, weil der IE erstmal nicht unterstützt wird. Ich denke für eine IE-Unterstützung brauchen wir serverseitiges Rendering, das wird noch etwas dauern, bis dahin könnt Ihr ja schonmal fleißig Wikipedia-Tags eintragen und diskutieren, wie was eingetragen werden soll. Während der Lizenzumstellung wird es dann nochmal in der Aktualisierung zu einer Unterbrechung von vielleicht einem Monat kommen. Grüße Kolossos ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Digitizing from Balloon Maps
From what I recall, but this is not canon (insert disqualification etc) Ed Parsons from Google has basically said in one of his personal blog posts in 2008 [1] that interpreting the location of a point to create a new bit of data using their aerial imagery does not make it derived data, because the person uses their own judgement. This is contrasted to using say, the corner of a building in google maps to do the same thing. But legally, I think it is still completely uncertain. In a couple of projects, with the mapwarper (doing similar things), most institutions do not use the Google supplied Aerial imagery, but a couple do. I believe the example given was the mapping of recycling centres based on the interpretation of the imagery. He used the words Skill and judgement. I think, however, that this doesn't really allow OSM to trace wholesale the google imagery - but for cases where a persons skill and judgement are called, I think that it should be okay. Tim [1] http://www.edparsons.com/2008/10/who-map-is-it-anyway/ On 10 March 2012 14:45, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hi Paul, This isn't a matter of one or two maps. PLOTS is building a edit in OSM button for their website, there are already tons of maps that have been made: http://publiclaboratory.org/archive?page=1 -Kate On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: From: andrzej zaborowski [mailto:balr...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Digitizing from Balloon Maps Hi, On 10 March 2012 03:51, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hey All, I was wondering what the license implications would be from digitizing from balloon maps that had been rectified from other satellite imagery. - So let's say you fly photos of an area - To stitch them together you use Google Maps imagery as the base - What is the deal with the imagery at that point? - If I trace the imagery is that really derived from Google Maps? It seems insignificant to me, but I wanted to get some insight. I would also like to know, especially in the context of Jeff Warren's mail on talk. I think the legal side here is easier than the community customs. I have heard both obviously if it's rectified using Google, it can't be used in OSM, and obviously it doesn't matter. I think Bing support in Map Knitter (even though legally it's in the same bandwagon as Google) would have a better community acceptance. Where I tried rectifying something with Map Knitter, Google imagery was useless because of complete cloud cover, too. I'm not a lawyer but I believe standard practice for imagery providers here is to rectify based on a database of survey points and I don't believe the providers regard their imagery as a derivative work of the database. Next time I'm at the city I'll ask them. If you are rectifying, try to get *some* survey points for your warping. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Spagehtti junctions in Cambridge and St Ives
On 9 Feb 2012, at 22:23, David Earl wrote: the part between the two sets of lights is indeed divided by a central reservation so the NW-SE section is justifiably dual, but not the other Mount Pleasant or Victoria Road / Histon Road approaches, at least not to anything like the extent now shown on OSM. If you look at the data in Potlatch with the Bing imagery, it appears to be traced pretty faithfully, at least as concerns the size of traffic island/distance between the carriageways on all approaches to that junction. It could be simplified perhaps, but on such a complex junction, there is value in having each possible route through the junction marked in full. Personally I would be happy with the general approach here. The one part I would look to modify is where Castle Street becomes Huntingdon Road, and the two dual carriageways suddenly meet at a single node (5313653). This looks ugly and doesn't reflect reality, so should be changed on both counts. In case 2 ( http://osm.org/go/eu6_VC5Dc-- ) there are no islands whatsoever (quite unusual nowadays at UK traffic lights, but then the main road is are quite narrow). You'll have to look at the data to see what's been done here, it's too close together to see on the map tiles at zoom 18. Again on SV: http://bit.ly/zyWvaF looking east on Houghton Road from just west of the Hill Rise junction. This does seem very OTT for the size of the junction. Personally I would change to just one way representing each road, joining them at a single node marked as a traffic light. That's my opinion, based on what feels about right to me. If there are any good guidelines that contradict me, I'm happy to stand corrected. :o) Tim ___ Talk-gb-midanglia mailing list Talk-gb-midanglia@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-midanglia
[Talk-GB] The state of Bristol in OSM
All, To see what would happen to Bristol in April, see http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-2.57888lat=51.46006zoom=12overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created I've started in my local area, basically deleting any problem roads or pois which I'm familiar with (and actually have contributed to in one way or another), and replaced them with entirely new roads or pois, using my own local knowledge mostly, andBing and OS OpenData where appropriate. Question: is anyone else doing this? Are people waiting until April 1st to fill the gaps? I look foward to the varied opinions! Tim ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] The state of Bristol in OSM
Oh bummer - didn't mean to send to Talk-GB, just the local Bristol mappers! Oh well, it's out there now... Tim From: Kev js1982 o...@kevswindells.eu To: Tim François sk1pp...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Simon Murphy simon.mur...@gmail.com; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org talk-gb@openstreetmap.org; Craig Ellis craigjamesel...@gmail.com; Paul Jaggard p...@jaggard.net; Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com; Tim Francois timhafranc...@gmail.com; Laurence Penney l...@lorp.org Sent: Friday, 13 January 2012, 15:16 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] The state of Bristol in OSM I've picked up a few main roads where I have GPS traces and have used bing to add lane counts and crossings in to - i.e. I have only changed where I have knowledge and am leaving something better behind. That being said I am currently bug killing on keep right so that when it gets nicer I can see the bugs ok I need to survey to fox much easier. So glad I started by using paper maps to note changes! On Jan 13, 2012 2:44 PM, Tim François sk1pp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: All, To see what would happen to Bristol in April, see http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-2.57888lat=51.46006zoom=12overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created I've started in my local area, basically deleting any problem roads or pois which I'm familiar with (and actually have contributed to in one way or another), and replaced them with entirely new roads or pois, using my own local knowledge mostly, andBing and OS OpenData where appropriate. Question: is anyone else doing this? Are people waiting until April 1st to fill the gaps? I look foward to the varied opinions! Tim ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-ca] Tagging Rail POIs - Help please
Hi everyone, I'm a long-time contributor to OSM in greater Montreal, but this my first post on this mailing list. I hope everyone is doing well. I have noticed a fellow contributor add some POIs recently, that may be of interest but that I believe are incorrectly tagged. I've tried messaging the contributor, to no avail. There have been some railway stations (ie. rail:station) added in around Quebec that do not seem to be stations in the definition that I'm aware of. I'm afraid that identifying them as stations will mislead map users into believing there is a functioning train station here when in fact there is none. A perfect example is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.544969lon=-73.230477zoom=18 There is a POI identified as Davis. I lived in this city for over thirty years; no passenger train ever stopped there, and I never saw a freight train stop either. There *is* a steel box containing rail equipment of some sort there, and there has always been a sign there identifying it as CN Davis. But no station. I'm not sure what the rules are on linking to Google for these purposes, but if you go look in StreetView with these coordinates, you will see the apparatus and sign that I'm describing. There are a few other POIs on this rail line added with this same issue. I welcome any advice you may have on handling this (including politely correcting me if I'm wrong on this whole thing). Thanks, Tim (user tfitzg) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-GB] OS VectorMap water feature import
I've done the same as Craig: exported only the features I was interested in using QGIS, before using JOSM to tidy it up. I did Chew Valley Lake and the River Chew running into it from the Avon at Keynsham. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.3356781005859lon=-2.61131286621094zoom=13 The entire process took a long, long time (we're talking many hours), as the OS data is all fragmented and needs joining up. (Thinking about it I think I also did the Avon from Keynsham, through Bath and out the other side. I had a lot of spare time back then...) Tim On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.com wrote: Have any large scale imports from this dataset already been done? Unfortunately some have. Orkney is particularly bad. Do people think this is a good idea? Any suggestions regarding the process? I don't think area based importing is useful. Too many fragmented waterways, and non-existent drains get pulled in. The few imports I've done have focused on specific features, e.g., the banks and tributaries of a river in an area I was mapping. It takes a long time to get the sections connected together, the islands added, and all the waterways connected; without focusing on a specific feature it would be far too easy to overlook bits that needed tidying up. In terms of the process, I found it useful to select and export just the features I wanted in QGIS before extracting to OSM. And then to use the JOSM validator to quickly eliminate the hundreds of duplicate and unconnected nodes that seem to be created. Using exallpoly.py with riverbanks tends to result in problems and I ended up modifying it to not close the areas. Craig On 11 December 2011 11:26, Borbus bor...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, when I say import I mean a manual import: reprojection of OS shapefiles, conversion to OSM data and careful processing in JOSM before uploading. I'd really like to get all the water features from OS into OSM. It's very useful data and also makes maps prettier. It's quite a laborious task, though, as the data requires manual creation of multipolygons and of course merging with any water features we already have. I have already done a small amount here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.6006lon=1.6362zoom=13layers=M Although I have not joined together all gaps, just some gaps where a way crosses it and it is obviously a conduit. Now I have split the Vectormap square TG into smaller chunks which I plan to process one by one and upload. The amount of data in just this square is quite large, but it's still probably less than half of Norfolk. Have any large scale imports from this dataset already been done? Do people think this is a good idea? Any suggestions regarding the process? Happy mapping, Borbus. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Revert my changeset please
Pawel, You may have seen it already, but I found the following page very useful when importing boundary data for the Bristol area: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_OS_Shapefiles#1._Extract_a_civil_parish_boundary_from_the_BoundaryLine_data_set Tim On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Pawel Stankiewicz sta...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Where and with whom have you discussed that import? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Ordnance_Survey_Opendata#Can_anybody_import_boundaries_of_Scottish_councils.3F More than 1 year ago. And nobody seems interested in. What made you think that you could just import data like that? It seemed to me nobody was interested and 1.5 year after the data realising Scotland had no mapped councils, with 1 exception, so there were no existing boundaries to interfere by import and I thought I would not see councils in the nearest years. This is not a rhetorical question. I would like to find out which Wiki articles or other material is responsible for giving people the idea that they could just run their own little data import in blatant violation of our rules, especially discuss before you upload, and only run automated edits if you know what you're doing and how to repair any damage you might cause. I would like to find out which Wiki articles states: only run automated edits if you know what you're doing and how to repair any damage you might cause because Google does not know such phrase. Second: before I tried I couldn't know whether I know how to repair any damage. Third: I made an intensive research to find out how to import the OS Boundary Line I hadn't know what is a shapefile and have not found any discussion about importing any boundary although I found many imports. This must be stopped. Because? Do you have anything to discuss about the Dumfries and Galloway boundary instead of my attitude? Bye Pawel ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk-be] StreetView?
If you want to stick strictly to OSM best-practices, you CANNOT use data that you have collected from Google StreetView and use it in OSM. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.1 Tim 2011/11/23 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com Hello, Selon moi, on peut utiliser les immages seulement pour découvrir des erreurs (et controler ces erreurs localement avant de télécharger les corrections). 2011/11/23 eMerzh merz...@gmail.com Hello à tous, Ici en belgique, google viens de rendre disponible streetview je sais que en France ça fait un bout de temps que c'est disponible mais voila :) La question reviens naturellement sur l'utilisation de StreetView pour récolter des informations pour osm. Bien évidemment, les images ne sont pas toute jeune même c'est du même acabit que les images bing. Donc voilà, peut-on utiliser les images, dans quel mesure? ,.. Merci pour vos infos PS: communément sur la ML fr et be :) ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [Talk-de] Entwicklung eines Navi für OSM Daten
Hallo! ... Nicht alle Projekte werden fortgeführt werden... ... könntet Ihr euch mal unterhalten ... ... und zusammen tun ... ... ich mach dann auch noch mit ... Es macht doch keinen Sinn das jeder seinen eigenen Ansatz verfolgt und keiner fertig wird. Welches ist der beste Ansatz? Können wir uns auf eine Linie einigen und alle zusammenarbeiten? Was ist eure Meinung zu den Projekten. Es hat bereits vor längerer Zeit Gespräche zwischen den Entwicklern von Monav und libosmscout gegeben (wir sind ja nicht blöd ;-)). Am Anfang ist es (berechtigt) an der mangelnden Performance von libosmscout gescheitert. Hier hat es aber signifikante Verbesserungen gegeben. Ebenso geht Monav in einfachsten Fall von einer Renderer aus, der Tiles zurückgibt. Auch dazu gab es Anpassungen in libosmscout. Gleichzeitig hat nun Monav einen Vektor-Renderer integriert (der aber nicht Fisch, nicht Fleisch ist), was wiederum den Druck dort etwas reduziert. Ich wiederum würde mir von Monav Feedback bzgl. Laufzeitverhalten wünschen, um gezielter Optimierungen an zu gehen, eine Integration als Tile-Render ist vielleicht auch nicht optimal, eine gezielte Integration wäre sicherlrich sinnvoller usw... Schlussendlich fehlt meiner Meinung nach einfach jemand, der sich um die Sache kümmert und bei der Stange bleibt. Die aktuellen Teams schaffen es einfach gerade nicht, dies zusätzlich zu stemmen. Auch hier kann man mit ein paar mal 5 Tagen möglicherweise richtig was reißen und beiden Projekten gleichzeitig Schwung verleihen. Wir haben ja gesagt, das es genug Arbeit für alle gibt ;-) -- Gruß... Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Entwicklung eines Navi für OSM Daten
Hallo! Hallo! Libosmscout sucht weiterhin Mitstreiter. Es handelt sich hierbei nicht um eine vollstaendige Navi-Software, aber doch um eine modulare Sammlung notwendiger Basiskomponenten. Ich habe auch nichts gegen weitere Module. Klasse, genau so etwas habe ich mir vorgestellt. Ich habe mir das eben einmal angeschaut. Tja, ich hab nicht viel verstanden. Ich halte mich für durchschnittlich dämlich und gehe daher davon aus, dass jemand anderes auch so seine Probleme hätte. Für mich wäre es sehr hilfreich wenn ich wüsste was die Software machen möchte und wie sie es versucht. Die Konvertierung der OSM Daten zum Beispiel wie soll denn die Binärdatei aussehen? Dabei geht es nur ums grundsätzliche Verstehen. Beispiel: * Einlesen eines OSM *.osm bzw. *.osm.pbf Datei. * Preprocessing der Daten mit dem Ziel eine Reihe von kompakten Binärdateien zu erzeugen, die in Summe eine für reine Lese-Zugriffe optimierte Datenbank bilden, die die für Rendering, Adress-Abfragen, POI-Abfragen, Routing benötigten Informationen in minimaler Zeit bei minimalem Ressourcenverbrauch bereitstellen. * Definition einer (abstrakte) Schnittstelle auf diesen Daten * Implementierung dieser Schnittstelle auf den generierten Binärdateien. * Implementierung eines Renderers, der diverse Backends unterstützt (konkret Cairo, Qt, libagg, SVG) * Implementierung einer Routers (aktuell A*, nach Monav nicht weiterverfolgt) Bzgl. des Binärformats siehe auch libosmscout/ProcessingResult.txt als grundlegenden Einstieg. Es wäre hilfreich, wenn du genauer beschreibst, was du dir angeschaut hast, was dich interessiert (und warum), damit ich gezielter deine Fragen beantworten kannst. Das würde den Einstieg erleichtern. Letztlich geht es um höchstens 2 DIN A4 Seiten für den Konverter, 2 für den Router... Vielleicht kann man so Programmierer fangen? (Nicht nur mich.) Ja, aber es werden vermutlich die zwei Seiten sein, die dich nicht weiterbringen. Die Frage nach wie geht das, kann man von verschiedenen Sichten angehen. Sei etwas konkreter :-) Das ist kein Coding Problem. Das ist ein Problem von Zeit und Leuten. Hab ich nicht vor. Die Beispiele sind aus meinen Spielereien und werden nicht veröffentlicht. Hmmm, wir sollen Sachen für dich beschreiben und du rückst deine Sourcen nicht raus ;-)? Was wuerde ich fuer 5 Stunden mehr die Woche geben... ;-) Geht mir genau so. -- Gruß... Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Entwicklung eines Navi für OSM Daten
Hallo! Ich kann mir vorstellen das es etliche Leute wie mich gibt, die gern an einem Programm mitarbeiten würden aber unter zeitlicher Begrenzung. Ich denke an langfristig 5 Std. pro Woche, in der Anfangsphase sicher etwas mehr. Damit so jemand nützlich sein kann müsste ein Projekt *** in möglichst viele abgeschlossene Module aufgetrennt sein, mit dokumentierter Schnittstelle. Geht das überhaupt? Na, wenn nicht, das Umdokumentieren nicht vergessen. Libosmscout sucht weiterhin Mitstreiter. Es handelt sich hierbei nicht um eine vollstaendige Navi-Software, aber doch um eine modulare Sammlung notwendiger Basiskomponenten. Ich habe auch nichts gegen weitere Module. *** für Neulinge dokumentiert sein. Ich meine grundsätzliche *** die alten Mitarbeiter im Projekt sollten für Neulinge Arbeiten definieren, beschreiben und die Einstiegspunkte aufzeigen. Das dient alles dazu einem Interessierten den Einstieg zu erleichtern und zu motivieren dabei zu bleiben. Auch bei libosmscout ist nicht alles dokumentiert. Mein Angebot ist daher, dass ich auf Anfrage alles erklaere und dokumentiert, was dem Fragenden unklar ist. So sind z.B. bereits eine Reihe kleinerer Demos entstanden. Aber ich habe auch schon eine Dokumentierung des Fieleformats abgelehnt, da hier der Aufwand aber eben auch die dynamik zu gross ist/war. Grundsaetzlich sollte man Open Source Projekte nicht (nur) auf Basis der exiatierenden Doku betrachten, sondern die Response auf Fragen. Kann das funktionieren? Keine Ahnung! Aber ich würde es so versuchen. Das ist kein Coding Problem. Das ist ein Problem von Zeit und Leuten. Wie ist es, wollen wir versuchen ein Navi herzustellen? Hat jemand Lust mitzumachen? Wie wollen wir starten? Fangen wir von vorne an und arbeiten Teile von monav oder gosmore ein oder bauen wir auf monav auf oder... Ich wuerde bei vermeintlich toten Projekten den Tod erst einmal sicherstellen. Sprich: hast du schon mit den Entwicklern von Monav ueber deren aktuelle Situation gesprochen? Bei einem exiatierenen Projekt mitzuhelfen ist besser, als ein neues anzufangen. Sonst bist du in einem Jahr auch nur so ein halbgares Dingen... Was wuerde ich fuer 5 Stunden mehr die Woche geben... ;-) -- Gruß... Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mehr OpenStreetMap Softwareentwicklung und die?Engineering WG
Hallo! Ich bin fest davon überzeugt (bzw. ich hoffe es), dass Smartphone Apps eine temporäre Erscheinung sind, die es nur so lange gibt wie generische Programme aka Webbrowser noch nicht genügend features haben. Es ist doch faktisch ein fürchterlicher Rückschritt zur Browserbasierten Internet PC/Mac/Linux Welt, dass man im Mobilbereich Software für mindestens 3 inkompatible Plattformen in mindestens 3 inkompatiblen Programmiersprachen erstellen muß. Ja. Aber es liegt nicht im Interesse des Herstellers, kompatibel zur Konkurenz zu sein. Aktuell ist die Wahl von Sprache, etc.. Bei mobilen Plattform offensichtlich begruendet in dem Versuch, sich abzugrenzen und Entwickler und User zu binden. -- Gruß... Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mehr OpenStreetMap Softwareentwicklung und die Engineering WG
beim Ansteuern des Backends. Die meisten Backends (Cairo, Qt, libagg) bieten an, entsprechende Koordinatentransformation transparent durchzuführen. Eine entsprechende Tranformation in den Renderer selbst zu integrieren wäre aber auch kein Problem. Aber vielen Dank für den Tip da nochmal zu gucken! Die Screenshots von Monav sehen verflixt gut aus, ich bin begeistert! Da hat sich doch Einiges getan, seitdem ich das letzte mal geschaut hatte. Werde ich mir gleich auf einem N900 instalieren *freu* :) Das ist (noch nicht?) libosmscout. Doch nach wie vor denke ich, daß die OSM Community auch Infrastruktur für Entwickler fördern sollte - also eben Bausteine fördern, die von Applikationsentwicklern einfach benutzt werden können, um interessante Applikationen zu (er-)schaffen. Libosmscout ist da schon sehr weit vorne! Das höre ich gerne :-) Entsprechende Gedanken waren der Hintergrund der Entwicklung. Mein persönliches Ziel war es nie, eine eigene Navigationssoftware zu schreiben sondern anderes dies zu ermöglichen. Auch mit mittlerweile günstigen Datenflatrates gibt es genug Situationen, wo Offline Rendering eine gute Alternative ist (Ausland, bei schlechter Abdeckung, im Fall von Katastrophen). Wie auch mehrmals in der Vergangenheit hier noch mal der Aufruf: Wer Interesse hat, sollte Kontakt aufnehmen es gibt für verschiedenste Bereich Möglichkeiten der Mithilfe. Selbst reines (negatives) Feedback ist hilfreich. -- Gruß... Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Tiles Downloader bremsen Server aus
Hallo! Eine Applikation, die gut und schnell selber rendert, ist halt schwieriger zu schreiben, als der 1000. Tile-Downloader, den man sich mal eben im App-Baukasten zusammenklickt ;) Hier der Hinweis auf http://libosmscout.sourceforge.net/. Dabei handelt es sich eine Library für Offline-Rendering, die in eigene Applikationen integriert werden kann. -- Gruß... Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [OSM-talk] Helping mappers feel comfortable about their contributions / quality control
I also think that a voluntary opt-in review system would work - and only really needs someone to write one, and a JOSM plugin, and a Potlatch 2 patch. It's on my list of things to do, but I doubt I will ever get around to doing it. But that's all that needs happen by someone - do-ocracy etc... In terms of what's in it for the user - the reviewer sees newbies edits in their area of interest - they can help maintain the area, and the newbie, of course would get valuable feedback. lots of love, chippy. On 26 September 2011 21:26, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: I add a source tag to a lot of my changesets now. The OSM site these days makes it very easy to click back and forth between changesets and objects. I gave a talk/demo recently on how to edit OSM. I started by introducing myself and then saying right, we are now friends. Once you've made an edit, feel free to contact me in the ways mentioned and I will happily check your edit/data works and there aren't any obvious mistakes. I'm aware that really helps people. It's why a lot of people become OSM'ers after going to a mapping party/event. And I think the teacher inviting communication with them is the way to do it. At my first mapping party I only learnt how to survey, but it helped just knowing there were real people I could contact. The other thing is that I watch my area (through the OWL viewer/rss feed) for edits, especially if they are new users. I try to contact all of them with a friendly local message, sometimes offering them advise on what additional tags they could have used. On 20 September 2011 17:50, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: Even today, I would find it confusing to edit a group of objects which have source tags - it would be more intuitive to put the source in the changeset, That makes sense to me --- surely most changes in a changeset will have the same source. Perhaps it could cascade / inherit, so that a source attached to an individual object will override the source of the changeset. __John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Looking For Unconnected Cycleways
If you haven't been told privately already: http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?zoom=7lat=53.03726lon=-3.41417layers=B00Tch=0%2C30%2C40%2C50%2C60%2C70%2C90%2C100%2C110%2C120%2C130%2C150%2C160%2C170%2C180%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C195%2C196%2C197%2C198%2C201%2C202%2C203%2C204%2C205%2C206%2C207%2C208%2C210%2C220%2C231%2C232%2C270%2C281%2C282%2C283%2C284%2C291%2C292%2C293%2C311%2C312%2C313%2C350%2C380show_ign=1show_tmpign=1 Check out the list of 'errors' it displays on the left hand side... Hope it's helpful, Tim --- On Fri, 12/8/11, Steve Dobson st...@dobbo.org wrote: From: Steve Dobson st...@dobbo.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Looking For Unconnected Cycleways To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Date: Friday, 12 August, 2011, 10:00 Hi All Does anyone know of a way to look for highway segments that cross each other? It would also be useful if one could filter out certain types of highways, bridges for example. The problem is that I have found around Eastbourne that the cycle way close to my house was only connected to the road network at either end, although it crossed the roads several times. This caused the routing software in my Garmin Edge 705 (sat-nav) to route badly. I would there for like to fix all cycleways around Eastbourne that cross roads but do not share a common node at their point of intersection. The above search would be very helpful in this effort. Thanks for your suggestions. -- Steve Dobson ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Looking For Unconnected Cycleways
Hmm, actually, may not be what you're looking for afterall - perhaps the in-built error checking features of JOSM may be better: if I remember correctly, trying to upload a changeset with ways crossing but not connected flags up a warning... Tim --- On Fri, 12/8/11, Tim François sk1pp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Tim François sk1pp...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Looking For Unconnected Cycleways To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org, Steve Dobson st...@dobbo.org Date: Friday, 12 August, 2011, 10:06 If you haven't been told privately already: http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?zoom=7lat=53.03726lon=-3.41417layers=B00Tch=0%2C30%2C40%2C50%2C60%2C70%2C90%2C100%2C110%2C120%2C130%2C150%2C160%2C170%2C180%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C195%2C196%2C197%2C198%2C201%2C202%2C203%2C204%2C205%2C206%2C207%2C208%2C210%2C220%2C231%2C232%2C270%2C281%2C282%2C283%2C284%2C291%2C292%2C293%2C311%2C312%2C313%2C350%2C380show_ign=1show_tmpign=1 Check out the list of 'errors' it displays on the left hand side... Hope it's helpful, Tim --- On Fri, 12/8/11, Steve Dobson st...@dobbo.org wrote: From: Steve Dobson st...@dobbo.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Looking For Unconnected Cycleways To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Date: Friday, 12 August, 2011, 10:00 Hi All Does anyone know of a way to look for highway segments that cross each other? It would also be useful if one could filter out certain types of highways, bridges for example. The problem is that I have found around Eastbourne that the cycle way close to my house was only connected to the road network at either end, although it crossed the roads several times. This caused the routing software in my Garmin Edge 705 (sat-nav) to route badly. I would there for like to fix all cycleways around Eastbourne that cross roads but do not share a common node at their point of intersection. The above search would be very helpful in this effort. Thanks for your suggestions. -- Steve Dobson ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Effect of ODBL on Bristol and surrounding areas
Gents, http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/?zoom=13lat=51.4646lon=-2.57549layers=B00T Anyone had any thoughts yet on what to do about the red/pink/yellow lines? Luckily there's not too much red around (Also, I don't follow the talk list for sanity reasons, so apologies if I'm missing something important) Tim ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] OSM map in the wild in Bristol
Evening all! This may not interest many, but I got quite excited about seeing my first real-life OSM map in the wild! See: http://i.imgur.com/WMwhY.jpg This map is used to show locations of gorilla statues in and around Bristol to celebrate the zoo's birthday, and I picked it up at Temple Meads railway station. The main map is OS StreetView, whilst the overview map is definitely OSM! Was anyone on this list involved with this map? Congrats to all the Bristol mappers past and present! Tim (user:tm) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
Did anybody else read this and also think, Monkey see 'CT', monkey respond with irrelevant wiki page.? Steve: Is right, because he stuck to the stated facts. Nick: Is right because his full statement ended with the line However I also can't see exactly how the published statement meets this wish. He is right, because it does not. Why did Grant remove this line, when Steve left it in? Grant: Is making an even bigger arse of himself even than I may have thought of him beforehand. My 8.5 cents. Ban me! Tim. On 21/06/11 18:39, Grant Slater wrote: On 21 June 2011 05:46, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hang on, here's Nearmap's statement: All such additions or edits submitted to OSM prior to 17 June 2011 may be held and continue to be used by OSM under the terms in place between OSM and the individual which submitted the addition or edit at the relevant time. And here's Nick's interpretation: Nearmap wish all contributions to OSM, by any mapper who has agreed to the CT, derived from their imagery (before the 17th June 2011) to be able to be relicenced by OSMF under any licence it (OSMF) chooses at any time. OpenStreetMap.org has had Contributor Terms for at least the last 5 years. See the CTs history here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/History / Grant ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODBL and real life...
On 20/06/11 07:20, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:12:25 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: We have people subverting our CC-BY-SA license right now!!1! *zomg* And they wouldn't be abusing our ODbL license in future. Case: UN: http://www.unitar.org/unosat-releases-new-maps-over-haiti I viewed these maps and understand why you have made the claim that the licence has been subverted, with no attribution given, assuming that the finding of the displaced person camps and damaged bridges etc was OSM volunteer work. I've not seen this example mentioned in the LWG or Board minutes, so I don't know when you contacted UNITAR / UNOSAT to have this clarified. I cannot however, follow your logic that it won't happen with a differently licensed map. With all due apologies to any good lawyers reading this, no license whatsoever deters uncaught dishonesty; and at best still curbs those of good intent. I thought communal projects were supposed to encourage the opposite behaviour? Hasn't it occurred to anybody this is simply the wrong tool - for a problem of its own making? Cue old joke about how good it feels to stop hitting yourself on the head.. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Most insanely dissected street ?
On 10/06/11 20:50, Franc Carter wrote: Hi - one for amusements sake One of my pet peeves is the way that some streets have (over time I hope), been chopped up in to separate segments in a way that finding a house number without a gps is maddening. I'm curious - what's the worst case of Dissected Street Syndrome(tm) that people have come across ? For my money, Parramatta Road in Sydney would have to rank pretty highly in terms of numbering systems restarting every time a suburb boundary is crossed (and sometimes even reversing order and counting down again - I recall there being two properties side-by-side with identical street numbers [somewhere near Stanmore?]) Mind you, for sheer municipal perversity, there is a section of Ballina Road in Lismore that has had at least three numbering schemes applied to the same houses. This is probably in a different category to what you intended? Cheers, Tim. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Most insanely dissected street ?
On 10/06/11 21:45, Franc Carter wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Tim Challis tim.chal...@gmail.com wrote: Mind you, for sheer municipal perversity, there is a section of Ballina Road in Lismore that has had at least three numbering schemes applied to the same houses. ;-) This is probably in a different category to what you intended? Yep, I was thinking about things like near where I grew up where there is a 40 foot cliff between one house number and the next. But other road insanity is just as interesting Douglas Street in Clovelly does something like that near the Varna Street intersection. I used to rent at the other end of the street. Presumably result of a land-slip at some stage? Who says the Sydney sandstone basin is stable? I can't point to an example offhand, but I have heard several times from discussions with professional surveyors of instances where the house numbers down a street run out of step with property title boundaries... the first number might cover block one and half of the neighbouring block, so that as you progress down the street every subsequent house number lies across the two adjoining blocks. This situation is apparently far more common than is normally recognised! Outside the urban areas, it is becoming common for street numbers to be based upon an approximate odometer reading (odd and even indicate which side of road.) E.g. 892 XXX Road indicates the property whose nearest point of intersection with XXX Road lies 8.92km from the end of the road. The system has several major weaknesses: my parents' farm is split both sides of a particular road, and the local council has admitted when they assigned the numbers 30 years ago they forgot to reset the odometer! My own property (a corner block) demonstrates another problem (no, I am not assigned zero.) The third problem is that different councils have adopted different conventions for the odd-even split. Mine has even numbers on the right travelling away from the datum. The (different) council responsible for my aforementioned parents' farm wants to make even numbers indicate the left-hand side. In a final piece of GPS-related insanity, the RTA has been setting up those illuminated sign boards around this district (I am aware of at least seven) which are flashing various messages appropriate to the location, but invariably the alternate blink reads Ignore GPS! Unfortunately all are located in particularly dangerous locations to wander out (or park nearby) to take a picture. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot
Just a simple message to say that I support this idea of a bot, for all the reasons stated by previous posters. Whilst I understand the reservations of those against the bot, I personally don't believe they are relevant to this particular bot as it is described on the wiki. Tim ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Fw: Disaster Preparedness Project
Hi all, Lots of time was spent in late Feburary early March in NZ to produce printable maps from OSM/Ushahidi for Christchurch residents without power. It would be great to recycle this energy. Tim McNamara Professional \\ paperlessprojects.com Personal \\ @timClicks http://twitter.com/timClicks | timmcnamara.co.nz On 7 June 2011 10:03, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Folks, what did we have in place to produce map books? Can Mapsomatic easily be modified for different formats/scales? http://www.safety-maps.org/ was a recent project to do something similar. I know the developers would be interested to hear more ideas how to make it useful. == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron - Forwarded Message *From:* Richard Weait rich...@weait.com *To:* Samuel Mandell shmand...@gmail.com *Cc:* talk@openstreetmap.org *Sent:* Mon, June 6, 2011 4:16:08 PM *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] Disaster Preparedness Project On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Samuel Mandell shmand...@gmail.com wrote: I'm designing a project whose goal is to prepare folks in my community for disasters. An essential part of any disaster kit are maps of the local area so that when electricity has gone out people can still navigate to specific areas of the city (for instance to get supplies or medical help). OpenStreetMap has comprehensive map data for my area (the San Francisco Bay Area) and I'd like to use the mapping data to create maps for the various cities to hand-out to residents. Since I'd need detailed (1:4800) of an entire city I haven't been able to use the export tool since it seems to have some built in limits to how large of an image it will generate (which makes sense). For Mountain View, CA the image size we'd want to generate is around 9409 x 11310 with a 1:4800 scale, in other words, very large. We would then cut this into smaller squares and print it out in a booklet with attribution to OpenStreetMap for the data and visuals. What's the best way for us to generate these detailed maps of the various cities? Well that sounds awesome. You might try downloading an extract of OSM data for that area. You should be able to find an extract that deals with California, or the US West. That way you don't have to deal with an entire planet full of data. Then use Mapnik or one of the other rendering tools to generate your map. You'll likely want to adjust the style sheet to make it just right for emergency awareness. There is a company in SF area experienced in printing high resolution maps from OSM data. Perhaps they'll do it for you for free since it is such a worthy project? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Wiki censorship
On 18/05/11 15:32, John Smith wrote: On 18 May 2011 06:38, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Set of rules made by one group, complaints handled by same group, prosecution handled by same group, judgement made by same group, punishment handled by same group. Grant has absolutely no respect for user wishes, he's defaced my own wiki page, which I can no longer edit, after I left a note asking people not to edit my wiki page. I am sorry this has come to pass. It appears that some baby has a burr in their nappy and has taken it out on you. I really don't know if I care what it was you did - real or imagined - to provoke this. However, it does make me a little sorry for the burr. Master Slater is the single greatest advertisement I know of for not further associating with the growing canker that OSM has become. Not satisfied with merely driving away map contributors, it appears his overweening ambition is to extend this to wiki users. What next, Poland? Frankly I'd think twice about using the OSM messaging system, as I note your (new!) sharedmap wiki page recommends... Regards, Tim. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Queensland border and the MacIntyre River...
On 09/05/11 14:32, Christoph Donges wrote: My father, who lived on a property adjoining the river near Texas for many years says he always believed the boarder ran down the center of the river. On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:07 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 May 2011 13:39, 4x4falcon i...@4x4falcon.com mailto:i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: I'd say the centre of the main channel as the only sign I've ever seen there is half way across a bridge. The bridge at Texas has the sign on the southern side of the bridge, but the 'Welcome to Qld/NSW' sign is on the northern side. I originally was not going to buy into this discussion, as I then clearly had no idea. However, since, I have found this document: http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/property/surveying/pdf/qld_nsw_border.pdf - encouragingly titled: Redefining the Queensland–New South Wales Border: Guidelines for Surveyors. To save you ploughing through it, the lightning summary seems to be since 1946 the mid-line of the river is the answer you want. (If you want to get technical, it should be the median line of the riverbanks as they existed in 1859... the big catch is, they were not actually surveyed then, so the dispute had to be resettled in 1946, and confirmed in 1993, and reconfirmed in 2008 For the keen: Section 4.3 esp. item 3: Case history 3: River boundary regarding past legal disputes; and Section 5.2 River Section are the relevant parts. Hope this helps. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing
On 04/05/11 15:31, Ian Sergeant wrote: Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Just remind yourselves that if CC-by and CC-by-SA are good enough for our government, they are good enough for us... I wrote: Who is us, in this case? Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: This is the Australian list, in case you didn't realise Ah, so you are speaking for all Australians! Sarcasm aside. I am quite happy to go along with Liz' pronunciations to date. If she starts going made with power and saying something in my name I am not happy with, I think I will let her know then. Tim. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing
On 04/05/11 15:31, Ian Sergeant wrote: Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Just remind yourselves that if CC-by and CC-by-SA are good enough for our government, they are good enough for us... I wrote: Who is us, in this case? Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: This is the Australian list, in case you didn't realise Ah, so you are speaking for all Australians! Sarcasm aside. I am quite happy to go along with Liz' pronunciations to date. If she starts going made with power and saying something in my ^ Bugger. I meant mad | ^ name I am not happy with, I think I will let her know then. Tim. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing
On 27/04/11 16:27, John Smith wrote: On 27 April 2011 14:42, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: *sarcasm* But it all doesn't matter anyway, John Smith has degreed that all Australian geodata is PD anyway. See: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2011-April/007829.html A lot of people do take this issue seriously as it affects how you collate data from now on. The works dealt with were TV Program Guides (IceTV Pty Limited v Nine Network Australia Pty Limited ) and Phone Books (Telstra Corporation Limited v Phone Directories Company Pty Ltd) which are not considered as ‘original works’ because the creation of each publication did not involve ‘independent intellectual effort’ and/or the exercise of ‘sufficient effort of a literary nature’. The rigid process used to make a phone book especially did not allow the individual authors (phone company employees) to be creative ;) Perhaps I should have used all caps for the benefit of Grant, specifically the bit about being computer generated. Until or unless computer AI gets good enough to generate map data on their own this ruling has no bearing over geo data... In the prevailing spirit of cheap-shots, although the CAPS idea is rather kind of John, might as well remember the old line: You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. I think everybody got the spirit of the argument, with the sad exception of the ones who needed to. If I were truly petty I would point out the only party above who did not care enough to get their spelling right. Thanks to Alex for so clearly laying out the government license situation. Quality points vs *sarcasm*: no contest. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing
On 27/04/11 07:06, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:17:33 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Unfortunately there are some very vocal (anonymous) members of the Australian community who seem intent on creating a virtual Us vs Them conflict in the community with exaggerated claims and mistruths. We aren't anonymous. We have names, and we do know each other. Whether we share our names with persons outside Australia is our business. There is definitely a major problem with the future of OSM in Australia. Writing nincompoop essays on this mailing list about we are here to help you does not convince us otherwise. Hang on, let me just don my disguise as an anonymous bully [http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Wynndale/diary/13669]. I really think the time has come when we should really thank people Grant, Richard et al for their valuable and intelligent contributions to the discussion. I'm gushing, I know. But let me continue with my unfettered admiration. These people are so smart that they just *know* those ignorant hicks in the antipodes are too stupid to know their own minds without pressure tactics like the odious odbl.de. Oh, I nearly forgot - I'm the bully. (And what is it Grant that you have now *twice* in 24-hours attempted to publicly distance yourself from the U.K.? As if that makes you any more credible than your already stellar reputation?) Anyway, these poor bullied individuals should be given all the support they desire; as their embarrassing performances are simply ensuring the cohesion and loyalty of all those they attack. Just a thought - if we are all anonymous then how do we band together? We'd never recognise one another. Haven't thought this one out properly. Now, how do I get out of this restrictive Dalek* costume? Anon. *The heirs of Terry Nation did not authorise this misuse of trademark. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk-be] tag street from calc file
One question: under what license has the data been released? On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+...@gmail.comwrote: On mardi 22 mars 2011 at 18:39, Jo wrote : cycleway=opposite (converted to the proper xml-format) and tag the way as modified. I don't think that tag is appropriate. It implies that there is a real cycleway on the road, but in Liege (and many other places in wallonia) you simply have an exclusion to the oneway for bicycles. For those I use oneway:bicycle=no bicycle:oneway=no (not sure which one is more appropriate, so I always add both, looking at the wiki, the oneway:bicycle seems to be preferred) -- Renaud Michel ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] associatedStreet
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm wondering if I used the associatedStreet relation correctly: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1481807/history I put all the common addr:-tags on the relation. Is that OK? Do the buildings still need an addr:street tag? I can't seem to find this information in the wiki. Jo The wiki information is at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema#Using_relations_to_associate_house_and_street_.28optional.29 In theory, you don't need to tag the buildings with the addr:street tag if you use the relation. Tim ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] associatedStreet
Funnily enough we've just been having a similar discussion on the talk-gb list. As it currently stands, JOSM complains if more than one street member is included in the relation. However, there are people who are just ignoring this and adding all relevant highways for the particular street (i.e. all those with the same name) as street members. There are others who mentioned that maybe the highways that make up the street be in one relation, and then that relation is the street member in the associatedStreet relation. No decision has been made on the talk-gb list on this. Hope this helps, Tim On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: I also tagged a more complicated one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1481829/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1481828/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1481830/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1481831/history I guess it can't be helped that several relations are needed? Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] associatedStreet
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't really mind using nested relations, but some people seem to be very much opposed to it. That said, I love this relatedStreet relation, as it takes away a lot of duplication of data. Of course, then it seems a bit counterproductive to still have the duplication of data on the relation level. And it is indeed because JOSM complained about more than one street role, that I created 4 relations. The relation combining the street parts, what type would that one be then? Jo Can't remember that one, but I can point you to the relevant thread in talk-gb for you to read through: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2011-March/thread.html#11135 Tim ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode finder based on OSM data
- Have you considered using the Code Point Open data as a fallback in case the postcode is not in OSM? It would not allow an exact address to be pinpointed but it could give a link to the right area of the map with a hint to get to work populating it fully. Yup, this is already on my TODO. First I need to convert the OS grid refs to OSM coordinates. I've had success using the instructions located at http://baroque.posterous.com/uk-postcode-latitudelongitude Of course it depends on how you want to use the data in the first place! :) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] 'Easy' Speciality Map Rendering
You would have my support for this Graham. I think I fall into the category of someone who has basic skills but just don't have the time to fathom out where to start on something like the Toolserver link. Cloudmade looks more accessible, but seems quite restricted in what one can edit? My interest is railways and if I could produce something like your canal map but showing railway tagged ways and nodes - current, disused, abandoned and indeed obliterated, I would be delighted (better still if I could get to the point of having that as a download on a windows mobile PDA with GPS). I also think there is a large community of railway enthusiasts out there who have the right mindset to be drawn into OSM, if they could be engaged with an easily accesible output. Regards (Nice but) Tim Saunders ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-ca] Inaccessible Canvec FTP OSM directory
Sorry about that... it appears to be some type of FTP problem in Opera 11. Grabbed it using IE. Cheers! Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: Daniel Begin jfd...@hotmail.com To: 'Timothy Astle' tas...@nbnet.nb.ca, talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] Inaccessible Canvec FTP OSM directory Date: Thu, Jan 6, 2011 1:34 am Works pretty well for me... -Original Message- From: talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Timothy Astle Sent: January-05-11 22:38 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] Inaccessible Canvec FTP OSM directory I'm working on loading some data in New Brunswick and lost one of the OSM files. When I tried to get another copy, I found that I could not access the P directory. I can access other ones, such as O, perfectly fine. Can someone double-check this for me? ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub/021/P/ Tim ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-GB] Street name disagreement - whose right or wrong?
As others have said, I use whatever is actually on the roadsign above anything else, even if a variety of other resources disagree. Reason? I use the maps for a sat nav, and actual real-world road names are far more useful... On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 2:19 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.comwrote: On Sunday, 26 December 2010, Richard r...@f2s.com wrote: My personal opinion is that Signed on the ground should always take precedence. +1 But you can always use alt_ name where there is another variant (or even completely different name). David ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Potlatch 2 'sticking' in Bristol
I've just had a go (I tend to use JOSM, but am in Bristol), and it sticks for me too. Vista with Firefox 3.6.13 Tim On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Laurence Penney l...@lorp.org wrote: I've had exactly the same problem in Bristol recently. Latest Safari on latest Mac OS. - L On 23 Dec 2010, at 13:42, Dave F. wrote: Err.. OK this is a weird one I want to check if it's just me. When editing using P2 in around Bristol my initial click with the left button to pan sticks so that with no buttons pressed, when I move the mouse, the screen is still stuck in pan mode. The strange thing is that it only occurs within the Bristol area. Bath, Portishead, Newport all work fine. Could someone with a spare minute or two test this out please? Anybody get a similar situation in other parts of the country? Cheers Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Potlatch 2 'sticking' in Bristol
Richard, I case you haven't received one privately yet: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2lat=51.46925lon=-2.60749zoom=17 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2lat=51.46925lon=-2.60749zoom=17I've just tested this on Ubuntu 10.04, Chromium 8.0.552.224 and whatever the latest Flash is from the adobe flash player. Tim On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Dave F. wrote: It appears that it could be the volume of entities as when I pan in to the centre from more rural areas it's fine until it reach densely tagged areas. If I pan quick enough it's fine until the screen has displayed the vast majority of ways. Could one of you post a permalink to test, please (i.e. including lat/long/zoom level)? I can't promise to be able to fix it straightaway (Christmas slightly getting in the way!) but I'll have a look. cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM server on a (Ubuntu) VM?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rails_port will help with installing the main application. There are, of course, more pages on the wiki which can help, some of which are linked to from that page. Tim On 21 December 2010 00:12, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com wrote: Hi there, I'm planning to build with OpenStreetMap some historic, out-of-copyright maps (such as [1] and [2]). They would feature many things (such as streets, mountains and beaches) that do not exist anymore. AFAIK, this kind of data is not supposed to live on the main OSM server. So, I'd like to ask: what is the easiest way to build a OSM server? I'm thinking about running the database and mapnik on a virtual machine (preferably Ubuntu Server, since I already use Ubuntu on desktop), and upload only the tiles and OpenLayers to a regular Apache server. A copy-and-paste sequence of apt-gets would be perfect - I couldn't find it on the wiki. My idea is to create a page similar to [3], being the left side the historical map and on the right the current OSM map. Thanks a lot, Arlindo Nighto Pereira 1: http://www.bondesrio.com/fotos/mapas/mapa_linhas_1878.jpg 2: http://www.bondesrio.com/fotos/mapas/mapa_linhas_1907.jpg 3: http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Category: Users who contribute their data in Public domain
On 19 December 2010 03:28, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm just wondering how many users out their still need to update their wiki.openstreetmap.org page wit their licence preference. Well, I for one do, but like many users, don't do wiki's much. Is there a how-to page to guide such users to add interesting and important badges(?) of choice to their user page? Cheers, Tim It would be good that those who want their edits to be in the public domain be noticable, otherwise, its very difficult to figure out what your intentions are when mapping (as well as editing the wiki for that matter). Thanks, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
Cool idea - I can see how it can help the OSM project. There are a couple of things. 1) What to do about users adding the same point, but differently. For example user A goes I'm at McDonalds, it's a cafe, user B goes I'm at Mac Donalds, it's a fast food restaurant for the same location. What one or two of the most popular chicken apps do is show these points one after the other. What the OSM database could see is that there's multiple points for the same thing. 2) The popular chicken apps are games. This is why they are popular. You gotta add in game mechanics for it to work, coupons, badges and other fun stuff. Without the gameplay, it becomes much like existing services like http://mapme.at - personal location story applications. I think the idea is great and potentially disruptive, but would need to be promoted to the mass market, not just loveable geo freetards :) Tim On 16 December 2010 20:46, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: Today we released OpenMaps version 4.0 in Apple's App Store. It is a free map app based on OpenStreetMap and we believe it is the best. It is as slick as the built-in (Google) Maps application and if you ever used Maps on an iPhone you know that it's not a little thing to say. But this is not the reason why I am writing this email. I believe in OpenStreetMap. I really do. I want it to be the de facto map that everyone uses and I think most of you feel the same way. I also believe that OpenStreetMap is not getting the deserved user attention that we want it to receive. I think I have a solution how we could expose it to more users with OpenMaps for iOS. How? Just launch OpenMaps, find your favorite bar/pub/restaurant/etc. on the map, tap on it (yes, in contrast with Maps you can tap on POI icons in OpenMaps without needing to search for them; innovative, isn't it?) and send out a checkin tweet. A typical tweet will look like this: http://twitter.com/#!/zssz/statuses/7396822796476416 Isn't Foursquare, Gowalla and now Facebook doing something similar you ask? Exactly. And look how popular they are. I believe that tweeting (checking in, commenting, etc.) about OSM POIs is a great way to increase OSM awareness. And it is a great way to share places with friends as when users tap on an openmaps:// link they will be shown the respective OSM element in OpenMaps (if they have the app installed on their device). They can even follow the recent Twitter conversation about an OSM element within the app. So if they want to share with the public that they serve amazing coffee at openmaps://n/957085286 then they can do that easily. I am enthusiastic about this and encourage you to adopt this because I really think it is a great idea to increase OSM awareness. Maybe it will catch on, maybe not. It all depends on the critical mass. Best regards, Zsombor Szabo, CEO IZE, Ltd. P.S. for OSM Announce list members: If you have questions or have feedback, then reply on the (cced) OSM talk list. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
Hi, Zsombor, thanks for the reply, and clarifying about chickens. When/how does OSM get edited with the app by the user? (Sorry, not got an Iphone so cannot see for myself :) Earlier in the thread you said Every user that makes an edit to OSM via the app does it with their own OSM user. Cheers, Tim Tim: 1) Let me clarify. When users send out a checkin, comment, share tweet about an _existing_ OSM place that tweet goes to Twitter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports
On 17 December 2010 11:49, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: From http://www.ourairports.com/about.html , under Credits: Google Maps for providing a free, high-quality mapping API and geocoder But it also says: Marc Wick at Geonames for permission to run thousands of batch queries against his geolocation APIs; -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-de] Frage an die Nutzer von Geofabrik-Extrakten
Hallo! Ich habe jetzt doch noch eine Moeglichkeit gefunden, wie ich das Problem etwas eleganter und mit minimalem Extra-Aufwand loesen kann. Ab heute (in ein paar Stunden duerften alle Extrakte auf dem Downloadserver sein) sollte das Relationsproblem behoben sein, und zwar unter Beibehaltung der Sortierung. Danke :-) Das klingt nach einer Lösung, vor der alle profitieren. Ich vermute, die Aussagen gelten auch für die *.pbf Dateien? -- Gruß... Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Frage an die Nutzer von Geofabrik-Extrakten
Hallo! Ich habe mal unter download.geofabrik.de/tmp ein aktuelles Deutschland-File nach diesem neuen Muster hingelegt. Gibt das bei irgendjemandem Probleme? Es wird nicht moeglich sein, alte und neue Files parallel anzubieten - *entweder* die Relationen schoen geordnet *oder* vollstaendig ;) Ja, libosmscout baut Indizes über seine binären Daten auf. Während des Imports geht es davon aus, dass Nodes in aufsteigender Id Reihenfolge vorkommen. Theoretisch kann ich ein Index auch auf eine unsortierte Datei aufbauen, aber dann kann ich nicht mit relativen Offsets arbeiten :-/ Eine Sortierung ist daher sinnvoll und wenn ich sie nicht bekomme, mus ich sie mühsam selbst herstellen und kann dabei nicht davon ausgehen, das sich alle Dateien im Hauptspeicher halten kann. Das Problem, dass Relation mit Referenzen auf Relation aktuell nicht ausgewertet werden, da die Ids in den Referenzen ggf. noch nicht bekannt sind (weil sie in der Datei hinter der aktuellen Referenz liegen) ignoriere ich aktuell noch, da es drängerende Probleme gibt ;-). Allerdings sollte das für mich möglicherweise kein Problem sein, da der Import 2-stufig läuft, d.h. erst baue ich über die (binären) Rohdaten einen Index auf, dann generiere ich die tatsächlichen Daten. Unschön ist dann nur, dass ich die referenzierten Nodes und Ways in einer Referenz ggf. mehrfach auswerte... aber einen Tod muss man sterben ;-) P.S.: Suche weiterhin Mitstreiter -- Gruß... Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Frage an die Nutzer von Geofabrik-Extrakten
Hallo! Ja, libosmscout baut Indizes über seine binären Daten auf. Während des Imports geht es davon aus, dass Nodes in aufsteigender Id Reihenfolge vorkommen. Theoretisch kann ich ein Index auch auf eine unsortierte Datei aufbauen, aber dann kann ich nicht mit relativen Offsets arbeiten :-/ Die Nodes und Ways waeren ja weiterhin sortiert. Bloss die Relationen nicht. (Man kann auch einfach ein osmosis --sort drauf loslassen, aber das braucht halt wieder ein bisschen Zeit...) Ich nutze osmosis nicht und hatte auch eigentlich nicht vor das zu ändern ;-) Die Zahl der Relation ist natürlich relativ klein, aber ich versuche gerade den Import so schnell zu bekommen, dass man auch in sinnvoller Zeit Daten für ganz Europa generieren kann, da ist ein weiterer sortierender Processing Schritt nicht hilfreich und mit sortierem im Hauptspeicher ist es dann auch schnell wieder vorbei. Vor allem gewinne ich durch die Änderung der Reihenfolge persönlich nichts, sie löst das Problem (wa ich grundsätzlich auch sehe und auch habe) nicht für mich sondern macht mein Leben schwerer. Aktuell ist das scheinbar eine Lösung die einem Tool hilft, aber nicht grundsätzlich allen, weil deren Anforderungen anders/komplexer sind. Alternativen? (Grundsätzlich überlege ich, die Ids intern gar nicht zu verwenden, da eindeutige Ids und eine Sortierung schön ist, aber die Sortierreihenfolge (in der Reihenfolge des Anlegens) für meine Zwecke nicht optimal ist. Mir wäre eine Id-Vergabe und Sortierung lieber, wo naheliegende Objekte auch eine naheliegende Id haben. Aber ich schweife ab...) -- Gruß... Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Frage an die Nutzer von Geofabrik-Extrakten
Hallo! Die Zahl der Relation ist natürlich relativ klein, aber ich versuche gerade den Import so schnell zu bekommen, dass man auch in sinnvoller Zeit Daten für ganz Europa generieren kann Wäre es da nicht generell ohnehin sinnvoller mit pbf zu arbeiten? Ja, seit dem Wochenende gibt es neben Country auch Western, sprich neben dem Importvon *.osm Dateien nun auch *.pbf :-) (bis zu 14x schneller) Ich ging aber davon aus, dass die Änderung prinzipiell beide Formate betreffen würde (ist das korrekt?) und würde die Unterstützung für *.osm auch nicht zeitnah entfernen wollen. -- Gruß... Tim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Data in OSM database
We (EntropyFree) made a tentative start towards this a year or two ago at OpenHistoricalMap.org - but although the resources needed for it didn't come through, there was an incredible amount of interest in it. Essentially it was planned to be a customised SM server instance with some backend additions to accommodate changes of objects over time. Another issue that was brought up was rendering of the maps - how do we render historical data? By year range? By decade? How about if you wanted to make a Georgian Map? Do you use contemporary data where old data doesn't exist? Maybe rendering to static tiles is the wrong approach? Laurence gave the example of Crystal Palace, which moved position. But what about a) buildings which do not change geometry, but change attributes, name, use or ownership several times (Offices - bank - wine bar - nighclub) and b) Buildings which change shape over time, whilst retaining the same attributes (Church - church with tower - church with spire). On 9 November 2010 11:03, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: No, it would be perfectly ok for someone to create a history OSM server that others interested in the same could then use, maybe even as a testbed while developing new tools that can actually handle such data. +1 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-be] Format of is_in tags in Belgium
List, Long story short: I've noticed that there are many, many is_in tags in Belgium which do not conform to the generally accepted OSM standard. (Note that I'm not debating here whether an is_in tag should or should not be used within OSM - I'm just interested in the is_in tags which are already there in the data). There are three main things which I've noticed, and I refer you to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in for the currently 'accepted' standard. 1. Entities should be separated by semi-colons ;. There are many, many is_in tags with entities separated by commas ,. I'm not sure if this is something to do with automatic imports... 2. It is recommended that entities be written in ascending order of size. For example, the is_in tag for Ieper would be something along these lines: Ieper;West-Vlaanderen;Vlaanderen;Belgium;Europe. (Different [local] language versions of these names are perfectly acceptable. For example: Ieper;West-Flanders;West-Vlaanderen;Flanders;Vlaanderen;Belgium;Belgie;Belgique;Europe). 3. The is_in:country tag should have the name of the country, in English, in full. No abbreviations. I saw (and corrected) one example where the is_in:country tag had a value of BE. BE should go in the is_in:country_code tag. If have seen examples of the above 'problems' in both the flanders region and the walloon region, which is why I send this to the main mailing list - I thought at first that it might just be one person doing this in a local area, but it seems the practice is widespread. I'm not suggesting go all out and hunt them down: just, if you come across an is_in tag, check to see if it is up to standard! Cheers Tim ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Format of is_in tags in Belgium
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: snip But just no-one cares about the is_in tag anyway, so does it really matter? I know that was a flippant comment, but it's not true - there are many projects which still use the is_in tags. As I said in my original message though, that's not my point: my point is, if it's in the OSM database, and if it's not being deleted, there's no harm in fixing it up if you come across one. Thanks for the info though - I had a suspicion that the is_in tags may have been imported and/or the wiki changed since the inception of the is_in tags! Tim ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
