[Talk-hr] Biljar klubovi
Ako imate biljar klubove/kafice u svome gradu mozete ih ovako oznaciti: sport=billiard billiard:pool=yes/no billiard:snooker=yes/no kao primjer: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/503859442 -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [OSM-talk-be] licence-agreement for using 3th party received information ???
Kristoff, I don't think a license that forbids commercial use of the data is compatible with openstreetmap. Doing so would in my opinion be counter to the spirit. Best regards, Gyrbo - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van : Kristoff Bonne [mailto:kristoff.bo...@skypro.be] Verzonden : dinsdag , september 22, 2009 08:37 AM Aan : talk-be@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp : [OSM-talk-be] licence-agreement for using 3th party received information ??? Hi All, After I managed to receive the official streetmap data from my town-administration, I'm now quering the neighbouring towns for the same thing. Now, IMHO, what would help to persuade the administrations is a bit more legal security on the use of this information. After all, this information does also have a commercial value (when they are also licenced to the commercial streetmap companies) so it might be usefull to provide the same kind of thing. So, I don't know how the discussion on the vzw is going, but perhaps one of the things that I would concider it to be for it, would be to draw up a formal licence-agreement (perhaps you can ask legal support from one of the other open-source related organisation on this) and to be the party which who (say) a city council or a town's administration can sign this agreement. IMHO, the license would need to contain something like this: (this is just a rough idea, I tried to balance the rights of both parties as much as possible). - the city-council is copyright-owner of the information and remains it to be; including in furher copies of this information - the city-council permit the information to be entered into the openstreetmap-server, under the open-documentation licence - no commercial use of this information is allowed (this would stop the commercial companies from copying the streetmap-information from the openstreetmap-server instead of asking (read: pay for) it from the city-councils. It would then be usefull if the vzw would enter this kind of information into the openstreetmap-server. The situation now is that -as I am the person who received the informaton from my city-council and who uploaded it- if any legal problems would arrize this would all trace-back to me! So, if information received from thirth-parties would be uploaded by an account which is owned by the vzw; this would also safeguard the volonteers who do the work from being legally draged into a court-case if problems would arrize (e.g. with the commercial streetmap-companies). I think, if you have an organisation that works with volonteers, it's always your responsability to make sure these volonteers are as much protected as possible. (this is a bit in the same line as the message I posted earlier on assurence for volonteers who take part in a streetmapping-event). Any comments or questions welcome! Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. -- jabber/gtalk: krist...@krbonne.net ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] licence-agreement for using 3th party received information ???
Kristoff Bonne wrote: Hi All, After I managed to receive the official streetmap data from my town-administration, I'm now quering the neighbouring towns for the same thing. A little question: would it be possible to setup some server to host the files we get this way, so everyone in the project can make use of it? Or for later reference should the person who got the data disappear? Of course it should come with the metadata that the file is under the same license as OSM. Because I still remember that mysterious railway gps tracks dataset someone got from NMBS or other railway company for usage in OSM (about two years ago I think), and then no-one ever heard of him again. So there's that useful data somewhere, except no-one can use it because the data disappeared with the person. Greetings Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] licence-agreement for using 3th party received information ???
If it is data that can be transformed in a GPX file it should be the most easy to upload it as a 'track' that is public? For other data that should be public available, isn't there some existing - osm - server that could host it? I have plenty of place on a server where only bandwidth can be a problem, limited place on a server where bandwidth is no problem. Luc / Speedy On Tue, 2009-09-22 at 14:23 +0200, Ben Laenen wrote: Kristoff Bonne wrote: Hi All, After I managed to receive the official streetmap data from my town-administration, I'm now quering the neighbouring towns for the same thing. A little question: would it be possible to setup some server to host the files we get this way, so everyone in the project can make use of it? Or for later reference should the person who got the data disappear? Of course it should come with the metadata that the file is under the same license as OSM. Because I still remember that mysterious railway gps tracks dataset someone got from NMBS or other railway company for usage in OSM (about two years ago I think), and then no-one ever heard of him again. So there's that useful data somewhere, except no-one can use it because the data disappeared with the person. Greetings Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] 2e Antwerps OSM cafe
Dag allen, 3 maanden geleden hadden we ons eerste Antwerpse OSM-cafe. Een informele vergadering met - vooral in Antwerpen aktieve - mappers. Een van de conclusies van de bijeenkomst was toen dat we dat eens regelmatig moesten doen. Vandaar dat ik zou voorstellen op 25 oktober, vanaf 13 uur, opnieuw bijeen te komen bij ons thuis - Van Boendalestraat 8, 2000 Antwerpen - zie http://www.bb2000.be/stratenzoeker Ik zorg eens te meer voor koffie en koffiekoeken - zeker voor degenen die vooraf laten weten dat ze komen - Internet is uiteraard ook beschikbaar en dit maal zorg ik ook voor meer fietsenstalling... Dingen die besproken kunnen/mogen/moeten worden: *** Toestand van de kaart in Antwerpen: De meeste straten, ook in de gebieden die op de luchtfoto's onder een wolk schuilgaan, zitten erin. De meeste straten zijn ook benoemd en voorzien van de juiste tagging qua aard en hoofdrijrichting. Gaten in de kaart zijn er nog: zie ook http://www.bb2000.be/stratenzoeker/state.html 2030 Luchtbal: enkele onbenoemde straten in de hoek van Groenendaallaan / Noorderlaan - tegenover Metropolis - maar vooral nog wat ontbrekende straten in het havengebied tussen Albertdok en Noorderlaan. 2040 BeZaLi: nog 60 onbenoemde straten vooral in Zandvliet en ook nog wat in Berendrecht. 2060 Noord: nog enkele ontbrekende straten, vooral dan wat stegen en ingesloten pleintjes 2100 Deurne: nog 34 onbenoemde straten, vooral in Deurne noord, de buurt van het Sportpaleis 2170 Merksem: nog 106 - van de 250 - straten zonder naam. Eigenlijk bijna de hele hoek tussen Lambrechtshoekenlaan en de Bredabaan. 2180 Ekeren. Nog 35 onbenoemde straten, vooral wijk Schoonbroek, 'edisonwijk' en nog wat in Rozemaai. 2610 Wilrijk 2660 Hoboken: wat missende straten her en der. Is ook het gebied met de meeste wolken... *** Dingen in 't stad waar nog wel meer werk aan is: - fietsen in tegenrichting - huisnummers - restricties - no left turn, no right turn, ... - maxspeed en andere restricties Hieromtrent eventueel afspraken en tips *** De haven. een lastig gebied... In de haven zijn een heel aantal straten uit de officiele lijst verdwenen, een aantal zijn gelegen in een prive concessie of in het beveiligde 'afgesloten' gebied van de haven. Praktische tips hoe we dit aanpakken. *** POI's. Van welke is het nuttig om 'volledigheid' na te streven en welke zijn eerder facultatief? *** Wat als de kaart 'af' is... Uiteraard moet die verder geupdated worden en zo, maar eens Antwerpen af is is het misschien ook tijd om hierrond eens wat promo te maken, de kaart ruimer 'in gebruik' te krijgen en zo... Maken we daarrond een 'aktieprogramma' en zo ja, hoe doen we dat? Mag ik hierbij nog eens vermelden dat ook mappers die niet in Antwerpen aktief zijn meer dan welkom zijn. Een face-to-face bijeenkomst is de beste plaats om allerlei praktische problemen het snelst besproken en opgelost te hebben. Ook sommige dingen eens 'zien doen' leert je vaak meer dan 500 x de wiki lezen... Praktisch: 2e Antwerps OSM Cafe zondag 25 oktober, 13 uur Van Boendalestraat 8, 2000 Antwerpen openbaar vervoer: De lijn / Franklin Rooseveltplaats op 200 m NMBS / Centraal station op 500 m Wie komt geeft bij voorkeur een seintje vooraf, anders zijn koffiekoeken niet gegarandeerd ;-) Luc / Speedy ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] licence-agreement for using 3th party received information ???
Ben, The ESRI-files I received as been converted to points and ways and have been uploaded directly to the OSM-server in that form. But, concidering storing the original files in some central place, the issue is that I have a spoken agreement with the person who provided these files for uploading them to the openstreetmap-project. I have never spoken to him about giving these files to other people or something like that. That's exactly one of the reasons why I think some kinf of written agreement would not be a bad thing. At least, it provides clearity on who does what, what information is stored where, etc. In the end, this is in the interest of everybody! Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. Ben Laenen schreef: Kristoff Bonne wrote: Hi All, After I managed to receive the official streetmap data from my town-administration, I'm now quering the neighbouring towns for the same thing. A little question: would it be possible to setup some server to host the files we get this way, so everyone in the project can make use of it? Or for later reference should the person who got the data disappear? Of course it should come with the metadata that the file is under the same license as OSM. Because I still remember that mysterious railway gps tracks dataset someone got from NMBS or other railway company for usage in OSM (about two years ago I think), and then no-one ever heard of him again. So there's that useful data somewhere, except no-one can use it because the data disappeared with the person. Greetings Ben -- jabber/gtalk: krist...@krbonne.net attachment: kristoff_bonne.vcf signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] licence-agreement for using 3th party received information ???
Hi Dennis and all others. I just checked at it looks like you are right. To bad the license-system does not allow (e.g.) the user to select between a commercial use barred or commercial use allowed license per data-element they enter. After all, on everything that is upload is some metadata attached, so it would be perfectly possible to encode this distiction inside the database. The But, besides this point, I still think it would be interesting to have some kind of formal license-agreement that a thirth-party can sign (even it just is a copy of the normal license of the openstreetmap-project adding we provide out data to 'openstreetmap.be vzw' who have to right to enter them into the openstreetmap-server on out behalve. A lot of organisation like some kind of formal agreement they can look at, be verified by their legal department and be signed by the schepen or somebody else. (it's actually a great opportunity to invite the press and get some coverage for the openstreetmap-project). Perhaps somebody should contact an organisation like the FFII to get some advice on this; as they probably have more experience with this kind of legal issues. Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. Kristoff, I don't think a license that forbids commercial use of the data is compatible with openstreetmap. Doing so would in my opinion be counter to the spirit. Best regards, Gyrbo - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van : Kristoff Bonne [mailto:kristoff.bo...@skypro.be] Verzonden : dinsdag , september 22, 2009 08:37 AM Aan : talk-be@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp : [OSM-talk-be] licence-agreement for using 3th party received information ??? Hi All, After I managed to receive the official streetmap data from my town-administration, I'm now quering the neighbouring towns for the same thing. Now, IMHO, what would help to persuade the administrations is a bit more legal security on the use of this information. After all, this information does also have a commercial value (when they are also licenced to the commercial streetmap companies) so it might be usefull to provide the same kind of thing. So, I don't know how the discussion on the vzw is going, but perhaps one of the things that I would concider it to be for it, would be to draw up a formal licence-agreement (perhaps you can ask legal support from one of the other open-source related organisation on this) and to be the party which who (say) a city council or a town's administration can sign this agreement. IMHO, the license would need to contain something like this: (this is just a rough idea, I tried to balance the rights of both parties as much as possible). - the city-council is copyright-owner of the information and remains it to be; including in furher copies of this information - the city-council permit the information to be entered into the openstreetmap-server, under the open-documentation licence - no commercial use of this information is allowed (this would stop the commercial companies from copying the streetmap-information from the openstreetmap-server instead of asking (read: pay for) it from the city-councils. It would then be usefull if the vzw would enter this kind of information into the openstreetmap-server. The situation now is that -as I am the person who received the informaton from my city-council and who uploaded it- if any legal problems would arrize this would all trace-back to me! So, if information received from thirth-parties would be uploaded by an account which is owned by the vzw; this would also safeguard the volonteers who do the work from being legally draged into a court-case if problems would arrize (e.g. with the commercial streetmap-companies). I think, if you have an organisation that works with volonteers, it's always your responsability to make sure these volonteers are as much protected as possible. (this is a bit in the same line as the message I posted earlier on assurence for volonteers who take part in a streetmapping-event). Any comments or questions welcome! Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- jabber/gtalk: krist...@krbonne.net attachment: kristoff_bonne.vcf signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] licence-agreement for using 3th party received information ???
Kristoff Bonne wrote: Ben, The ESRI-files I received as been converted to points and ways and have been uploaded directly to the OSM-server in that form. About which municipality are we actually speaking btw? From which town did you get the data? But, concidering storing the original files in some central place, the issue is that I have a spoken agreement with the person who provided these files for uploading them to the openstreetmap-project. I have never spoken to him about giving these files to other people or something like that. But by uploading to OSM you're basically doing just that: giving it away to other people. Except that when you don't make the file itself available somewhere, some people may have a slightly harder time extracting the dataset from OSM again. But it's possible nonetheless, and he could then make an ESRI file again from that and distribute that under the CC license, and so we end up with the same file you started with, except a possible quality loss. So I do not understand your point here. By giving it to OSM through you he basically said it's OK to distribute under OSM license. So you can make the file by itself available under the same license. It'll stay under the copyright of whatever organization made the ESRI file, but would just get a CC license stamp. You just never know what will happen in future with the data, and we might need it again, and you may not be around then. That's exactly one of the reasons why I think some kinf of written agreement would not be a bad thing. At least, it provides clearity on who does what, what information is stored where, etc. In the end, this is in the interest of everybody! Well, it would look more formal, but in the end an OSM Belgium vzw wouldn't be more official than you as a private person. You could have signed a contract with him just as well if you want a written agreement to be sure no problems could arise in future. I don't think the envelope of a non-profit organization would mean its members aren't vulnerable to those claims. Greetings Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS map copyright expiry dates, FOI request
On 21 Sep 2009, at 10:30, Ed Avis wrote: Good work! This must mean that if we see Ordnance Survey maps in secondhand shops with a copyright date of 1958 or earlier, we should buy them and start scanning them in. (I know about the npemaps site; is there some other collection of out-of- copyright maps to contribute to?) Warper is pretty neat. Check it out here: http://warper.geothings.net/layers There is a lot of discussion on talk-gb about all this at present - focusing in particular on aerial photography but I believe that Warper was originally set up for old maps (discussion titled openstreetmap's first flight and 'Verticality metre, was: Re: OpenStreetMap's first flight!'). http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2009-September/thread.html Fyi, Steve Chiltern already has a complete set of very clean Series 7 OS inch/mile maps published in the late1950's that have lived in vertical hangers in a university all their lives (so there are no creases etc). He is starting to digitise them as they come out of copyright over the period End 2008 to end 2010. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/7th_Series Regards, Peter -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView
Because I'm convinced it needs a level of moderation that would end up requiring that we host the photos anyway. Also flickr (for instance) costs money above 200 (I think) photos. I would hope that someone (possibly me) would write something to let you suck images in from flickr when the OSV API can provide for that. On 21 Sep 2009, at 22:55, Ian Dees wrote: This is a great idea, but why not just use Flickr or some similar photo site that offers an API for geotagged photos? The only unique thing we'd need to add is a method of recording the orientation (X degrees from magnetic north, Y degrees inclination, Z degrees field of view) of the photo at a given position (if known) so that we can later build a StreetView-type interface for these images. Such information could be stored with Flickr's API as machine tags. On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, John McKerrell j...@mckerrell.net wrote: So, after talking about my ideas for an OpenStreetView project at SOTM way back in July I've finally got things together enough to launch a site. I announced it on pho...@openstreetmap.org a few days ago to get some initial opininos but I think it's time to get a few more people looking at it. It does seem to be running a bit slow and I didn't have a huge amount of success with processing large numbers of photos earlier today but I want to get more images live on it by the time I give a talk about it on Thursday morning so I'll give you all a chance to get uploading. Please take a look at the email below for more instructions, it's definitely not perfect but it's functional for some specific uses. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?
Roy Wallace wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Can I check? Are there people here who are suggesting that, in my case, they want to draw all four ways (yes, I know the footpath hasn't been mapped yet) as a single way specify the differences with lane tags? Camp one is - single way with lanes=4 + bridge section Camp two would prefer all elements mapped in which case the bridge WOULD be a separate element. Camp three: multiple ways representing paths of travel, grouped with a bridge relation to indicate they share a common bridge. This could probably be seen as a compromise, and is (I think) a good interim solution, if not a very-long-term solution. That is simply camp two ... The bridge relation would have to have a physical presence at some point! The point I am trying to make is that the two camps HAVE to co-exist. What we are looking for is a way to 'rough in' the data, and provide a macro level view of things, and then add the NECESSARY detail below that so that micro mapping can simply be added to the macro model. If that means a half way house of detailing the fine content of a way by splitting into multiple tracks, then the 'holder' for the bridge slots in to that model and can be expanded in detail later. At some point it WILL become necessary to create elements like bridges as 'paintings' with accurate graphic detail, but the higher level view only needs the single way with a bridge flag - and there is no reason that could not be provided as a tag on a single macro level view of the way? At the macro level THAT makes sense, while once one breaks a way down into it's component tracks, a tag on that view may be of more advantage to fine detail routing, while a separate bridge element makes more sense for rendering in the smaller scales? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?
Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: A bridge should probably have its own geometry. And if a bridge has its own geometry (polygon or line and width) and a layer tag you don't even need the relation, do you? Anything in the area of the bridge with the same layer is located on the bridge. I like the idea. BUT I shouldn't have to measure the bridge to be able to indicate that a section of way(s) goes over a bridge. Using an area to mark a bridge in this way should be *optional*, in the same was as a POI can be marked as a node or an area. Therefore, a bridge relation would still be useful to indicate that multiple ways share a bridge, for when the bridge geometry is unknown. Which is exactly the same rule as applies elsewhere. A car park can exist simply as a POI tag, or as fine detail, perhaps even with parking bays. The point is to make things transparently scalable. At the 'county' level you don't need the shape of the car park, just a tag to it's presence so you can indicate where they are. Same with any object? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Osmarender does a pretty good job of those bridges: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.95907lon=-82.53907zoom=17layers=0B00FTF Notice how it combines the two ways heading south into one bridge even without any additional information besides the fact that the two ways are close together. there are many cases of parallel bridges though, where you don't want them to render as one because they are two (or more), so being close cannot be the criteria. And details like two or three deck bridges also require a little more information, although the layer model would at least keep cars off the train level ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Map scale
On 22/09/09 03:44, Andrew Errington wrote: I'm pretty sure there used to be a scale on the map[1] in the lower left corner. Yesterday I noticed it was no longer there. Correct see http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1704 for the reasons. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView
Am 21.09.2009 23:45, John McKerrell: To try it out, head over to http://openstreetview.org/ You'll need to sign up for an account, verify your email address and then log in. The most important question for me: Why don't you use OSM's own OAuth infrastructure [1]? I don't feel comfortable signing up at yet another site and I don't want you to having to deal with keeping your user's data safe besides coding. Claudius [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Oauth ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] good news: shapefile usage of ramsar sites for openstreetmap.org
Good news: we can use the shapefiles of wetland.org (1)! :D Roman (1) http://ramsar.wetlands.org/GISMaps/DownloadGISdatasets/tabid/769/language/en-US/Default.aspx --- Forwarded message --- From: PECK Dwight p...@ramsar.org To: Roman Neumüller em...@katpatuka.org Cc: stephan.fl...@wetlands.org stephan.fl...@wetlands.org Subject: RE: RE: shapefile usage of ramsar sites for openstreetmap.org Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:27:06 +0300 Greetings, many thanks for your message. As far as we are concerned, we consider all of the Ramsar site data and products, including those that Wetlands International prepares for us, to be in the public domain. We only ask that the use of any data should be dated so that users can judge the currency and accuracy. Best regards, Dwight Peck. ** Dwight Peck Communications Officer Ramsar Convention on Wetlands Gland, Switzerland p...@ramsar.org, www.ramsar.org -Original Message- From: Roman Neumüller [mailto:em...@katpatuka.org] Sent: 22 September 2009 10:15 To: Ramsar Mailbox Subject: Fwd: RE: shapefile usage of ramsar sites for openstreetmap.org Hello, I contacted Stephan Flink from wetlands.org to ask if openstreetmap.org could make use of their shapefiles of Ramsar sites under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license. He adviced me to ask the Ramsar Secretariat to confirm that there are no restriction to use this data (see correspondence below). Please let me know if there are any legal restrictions in using the data. Greetings Roman Neumüller --- Forwarded message --- From: Flink, Stephan stephan.fl...@wetlands.org To: Roman Neumüller em...@katpatuka.org Cc: Subject: RE: shapefile usage for openstreetmap.org Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:52:33 +0300 Dear Roman, I'm not aware of any legal restrictions to display the shapefiles in OSM other than the following ToU (http://ramsar.wetlands.org/Home/tabid/719/ctl/Terms/Default.aspx). As Wetlands International is the caretaker of all Ramsar Site information and the ownership of the data lies with the Ramsar Secretariat in Switzerland (ram...@ramsar.orgmailto:ram...@ramsar.org), I suggest contacting the Secretariat to ensure that this is indeed the case. Best wishes, Stephan Flink -Original Message- From: Roman Neumüller [mailto:em...@katpatuka.org] Sent: vrijdag 18 september 2009 16:14 To: Flink, Stephan Subject: RFI: shapefile usage for openstreetmap.org Hello Stephan, I see that I can download shapefiles of Ramsar sites from wetlands.org. Are there any legal restrictions for conversion and usage of these shapefiles under the wiki map project http://openstreetmap.org (OSM)? OSM's content is available under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license... Greetings Roman Neumüller No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2387 - Release Date: 09/21/09 17:55:00 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView
On 22 Sep 2009, at 08:55, Claudius wrote: Am 21.09.2009 23:45, John McKerrell: To try it out, head over to http://openstreetview.org/ You'll need to sign up for an account, verify your email address and then log in. The most important question for me: Why don't you use OSM's own OAuth infrastructure [1]? I don't feel comfortable signing up at yet another site and I don't want you to having to deal with keeping your user's data safe besides coding. I could say that when I started coding this OSM's OAuth support wasn't actually released but the more honest answer would be that doing it this way was easiest and hence quickest. I wanted to get something out there so that we can try this out and see how it goes. If you don't want to enter your details that's fine and understandable. The code is open source and available on github so anyone can add that support but I'll probably do it before long if noone else does and it's stopping people from signing up. John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] USB Serial converters - any recommendations?
[snip mostly PL2303 recommendations] Thanks for the replies on this. My converter is a PL2303 based one, the kernel module detects it when it's plugged in, but... I can't get data out of it using gpsbabel, it reports Timeout - no data read or similar. Maybe I just got a cheap-and-nasty converter, despite it having the most compatible chipset. Thanks, Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] USB Serial converters - any recommendations?
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Maybe I just got a cheap-and-nasty converter, despite it having the most compatible chipset. that's why after failing with the aten, which will work in a newer kernel one day, i bought the belkin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] sports=billiard and sports=snooker ?
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:21:50 +, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/315158528 I don't like stuff which forces me to split thing with ;. It's unsemantic. I followed your lead and tagged it the same, I'll enter this in wiki so others have easier way of tagging billiard clubs. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?
2009/9/22 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Hi Peter I can suggest to add bridge's physical form to this. Otherwise yeah, why not. It would also help to indicate where bridge actually starts and ends to help routing software logic. Why would routing software need to know the extent of a bridge? For routing software for example to say: Turn there, go across the bridge and then after 100 meters go left? Bridge is kinda very big object in every town or city. Giving perspective where it starts and where it ends you give additional information for routing software to inform it's user how to find things relatively to the bridge. Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] good news: shapefile usage of ramsar sites for openstreetmap.org
Roman Neumüller wrote: Good news: we can use the shapefiles of wetland.org (1)! :D Roman (1) http://ramsar.wetlands.org/GISMaps/DownloadGISdatasets/tabid/769/language/en-US/Default.aspx Very nice!!! Emilie Laffray signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] good news: shapefile usage of ramsar sites for openstreetmap.org
I am worried there might be some copyright issues The sites within the UK will probably have been mapped using the British Ordnance Survey, and therefore should have copyright restrictions. A quick internet search shows that data is available to download in the UK, but with some conditions(?). http://www.jncc.gov.uk/ProtectedSites/SACselection/gis_data/terms_conditions.asp I think the status of the data needs to be very carefully checked. Jason user:jamicu 2009/9/22 Roman Neumüller r.neumul...@gmail.com Good news: we can use the shapefiles of wetland.org (1)! :D Roman (1) http://ramsar.wetlands.org/GISMaps/DownloadGISdatasets/tabid/769/language/en-US/Default.aspx --- Forwarded message --- From: PECK Dwight p...@ramsar.org To: Roman Neumüller em...@katpatuka.org Cc: stephan.fl...@wetlands.org stephan.fl...@wetlands.org Subject: RE: RE: shapefile usage of ramsar sites for openstreetmap.org Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:27:06 +0300 Greetings, many thanks for your message. As far as we are concerned, we consider all of the Ramsar site data and products, including those that Wetlands International prepares for us, to be in the public domain. We only ask that the use of any data should be dated so that users can judge the currency and accuracy. Best regards, Dwight Peck. ** Dwight Peck Communications Officer Ramsar Convention on Wetlands Gland, Switzerland p...@ramsar.org, www.ramsar.org -Original Message- From: Roman Neumüller [mailto:em...@katpatuka.org] Sent: 22 September 2009 10:15 To: Ramsar Mailbox Subject: Fwd: RE: shapefile usage of ramsar sites for openstreetmap.org Hello, I contacted Stephan Flink from wetlands.org to ask if openstreetmap.org could make use of their shapefiles of Ramsar sites under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license. He adviced me to ask the Ramsar Secretariat to confirm that there are no restriction to use this data (see correspondence below). Please let me know if there are any legal restrictions in using the data. Greetings Roman Neumüller --- Forwarded message --- From: Flink, Stephan stephan.fl...@wetlands.org To: Roman Neumüller em...@katpatuka.org Cc: Subject: RE: shapefile usage for openstreetmap.org Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:52:33 +0300 Dear Roman, I'm not aware of any legal restrictions to display the shapefiles in OSM other than the following ToU (http://ramsar.wetlands.org/Home/tabid/719/ctl/Terms/Default.aspx). As Wetlands International is the caretaker of all Ramsar Site information and the ownership of the data lies with the Ramsar Secretariat in Switzerland (ram...@ramsar.orgmailto:ram...@ramsar.org), I suggest contacting the Secretariat to ensure that this is indeed the case. Best wishes, Stephan Flink -Original Message- From: Roman Neumüller [mailto:em...@katpatuka.org] Sent: vrijdag 18 september 2009 16:14 To: Flink, Stephan Subject: RFI: shapefile usage for openstreetmap.org Hello Stephan, I see that I can download shapefiles of Ramsar sites from wetlands.org. Are there any legal restrictions for conversion and usage of these shapefiles under the wiki map project http://openstreetmap.org (OSM)? OSM's content is available under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license... Greetings Roman Neumüller ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSMXAPI stable?
Hi all I would like to show the XAPI to my students. But it seams that all XAPI Servers are very slow or out of function. The students should learn something about Location Based Services and my idea was to show how to retrieve Points of Interest from OSM. With XAPI it would be easy: wget http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/node[amenity=restaurant][bbox=15.5337,48.1732,15.7161,48.2362] -o osm.xml But if the XAPI is not working I have to cancel that. Or is there a similar service I can use for that? thanks Bernhard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMXAPI stable?
bernhard schrieb: Hi all I would like to show the XAPI to my students. But it seams that all XAPI Servers are very slow or out of function. Or overloaded :) Maybe you could allocate a server at your university as another xapi server ;) The students should learn something about Location Based Services and my idea was to show how to retrieve Points of Interest from OSM. With XAPI it would be easy: wget http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/node[amenity=restaurant][bbox=15.5337,48.1732,15.7161,48.2362] -o osm.xml But if the XAPI is not working I have to cancel that. The Query works for me. If you want to be sure, save a offline-version of the output for the worst-case. Or is there a similar service I can use for that? You can use the default api's map-call to get *all* elements in a bbox and let your students filter it manually :) Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] good news: shapefile usage of ramsar sites for openstreetmap.org
Jason Cunningham wrote: I am worried there might be some copyright issues The sites within the UK will probably have been mapped using the British Ordnance Survey, and therefore should have copyright restrictions. I think the status of the data needs to be very carefully checked. I am sorry, but I don't understand. Roman references an email from the communications officer of Ramsar, and you are worried? You say the sites in U.K. have probably been mapped by BOS? What kind of authority do you represent to convince us that your concerns should be ours as well? I would counter that the British government -- if they indeed stood for the measurements of the data -- has probably signed copyright over to the Ramsar organization. You don't seriously believe that the Ramsar data has different copyrights attached depending on what nation it comes from? AFAIAC we've gotten the data to use with the only (very reasonable) premise that it be dated. I think we should just say thank you and be very happy. Cheers, Morten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMXAPI stable?
But if the XAPI is not working I have to cancel that. Or is there a similar service I can use for that? You can use OSM3S. Just send a post request with content http://78.46.81.38/api/poi?bbox=15.5337,48.1732,15.7161,48.2362amenity=restaurant You should receive a gzip-compressed osm file. This request is a short cut for the request to http://78.46.81.38/api/interpreter with POST data: osm-script timeout=180 query type=node bbox-query w=15.5337 s=48.1732 e=15.7161 n=48.2362/ has-kv k=amenity v=restaurant/ /query print mode=body/ /osm-script A comprehensive (but not yet complete) documentation of OSM3S can be found at http://78.46.81.38 Feel free to experiment with other queries or ask for other short cuts. Cheers, Roland ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView
John McKerrell wrote: [a lot about OSV] Questions: Housenumbers would not be a privacy problem I hope? Because of privacy, selecting the relevant pictures and rotating them I anyway review all the pictures before I upload them. I quite often make photographs of the ground when the highways surface changes, Parking place starts here, ands here - are these kind pictures welcome also? Are there kinds of pictures you would not like to see on your server? Regards, malenki ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Map scale
Tom Hughes tom at compton.nu writes: I'm pretty sure there used to be a scale on the map[1] in the lower left corner. Yesterday I noticed it was no longer there. Correct see http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1704 for the reasons. Would it be possible to show the scale bar for zoom levels 15 and above (where scale is pretty constant, unless you have a freakishly large web browser window) and omit it for lower zoom levels? Or is the problem that it would need to change as you slip the map north and south? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Map scale
On 22/09/09 16:45, Ed Avis wrote: Tom Hughestomat compton.nu writes: I'm pretty sure there used to be a scale on the map[1] in the lower left corner. Yesterday I noticed it was no longer there. Correct see http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1704 for the reasons. Would it be possible to show the scale bar for zoom levels 15 and above (where scale is pretty constant, unless you have a freakishly large web browser window) and omit it for lower zoom levels? Scale is more or less constant across the viewport, yes, but not across the whole world. Or is the problem that it would need to change as you slip the map north and south? Exactly. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView
malenki wrote: [not enough :)] It would be nice to have p...@openstreetmap.org on gmane. For moderating photos: 1) It would be handy to be able to see the pictures in full resolution since its a difference if a car with licence plate is photographed with a 320x240 cam of a mobile phone or with a 12MP SLR. The thumbnails aren't much helpful there. 2) If there are just few people like me who log photograph all day long for OSM, soon it will be hard work moderating all the thousands of pictures. At my most productive day I made 1740 of them... Regards malenki ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] New JOSM Address Interpolation plugin
This was an attempt to create a titled horizontal rule. Is there a native Swing component for this? I think a JSeparator is your friend there. Adding some indentation or border will make you even more happy there. I converted this to a conventional border. Also, based on a suggestion, I reordered the inputs so that it can perform an autodetect of numbering scheme when entering the combo box.It only needs to be manually changed for the cases of both even or odd numbers for the 'all' numbering scheme. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView
malenki wrote: [still not enough :)] For moderating: right now I moderated several photos until I cam onto a visible license plate. This I masked and added the tag licenceplate, left the masking area, clicked mark as safe and save - and then an error showed up: | There was an error saving your changes Now moderating is stuck at this one photo, I can't go on. Marking as unsafe and saving the change gives no reaction of any kind. Besides there seems to be no way (atm) to edit several pictures in a row. MArking some and clicking mask sections showed up only the first. Regards malenki (I hope you don't mind me sing this thread fur bug reports.) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMXAPI stable?
bernhard wrote: But it seams that all XAPI Servers are very slow or out of function. All ROMA and TRAPI servers seem to be (near) down. So the TaH clients all connect to XAPI or API. This makes a) XAPI and (less) API slow and b) brings the renderspeed down to about 200 Z12-tiles per hour. Norbert PS: Mumin doesn't show data for tah.openstreetmap since some days ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMXAPI stable?
bernhard wrote: But it seams that all XAPI Servers are very slow or out of function. All ROMA and TRAPI servers seem to be (near) down. So the TaH clients all connect to XAPI or API. This makes a) XAPI and (less) API slow and b) brings the renderspeed down to about 200 Z12-tiles per hour. Norbert PS: Mumin doesn't show data for tah.openstreetmap since some days This is correct. Mat's server went down last week for a database rebuild. It should have been back online by now, so maybe he's having trouble. My server is several hours behind atm. I believe it's caused by the NHD data that's being imported. This is slowing down the update process so much that it sometimes takes 2 - 3 minutes or more to apply one of the minute updates. I've contacted Blars to see if we can figure something out to speed the process up, but for now we'll have to wait it out. -Jeremy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] feasibility - different use of openstreetmap
Introduction: For my work we have a need for mapping fields agricultural sections of land for growing crops. We already put the legal description of the land in the our invoicing \ work order system and other information about the field, but we need a way to quickly print a high quality aerial photo of the section that the land is in and the outline of the field. I only need to cover 10 counties in central Kansas at least to start with, and I can get the free US Gov aerial photography and the field outlines from USDA. Question: Would it be possible/feasible to setup a map server like openstreetmap that shows all the street/roads along with my aerial photography and field outlines, and then make a search for the field by customer, by legal description or by field name? If this in not the correct group for this, then what group would I ask this question? I realize the your system is about street and I want to misuse it for land areas, but it is such a nice system and looks like a great framework to start building what I need from. Thanks ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] feasibility - different use of openstreetmap
Hi, If this in not the correct group for this, then what group would I ask this question? I realize the your system is about street and I want to misuse it for land areas, but it is such a nice system and looks like a great framework to start building what I need from. I'm afraid I don't have an answer to your question. However you are not misusing OSM! We care about all geographic features, the name OpenStreetMap is has become a bit of a misnomer. I'm sure someone will be along soon with an answer to your actual question. Ciarán ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] feasibility - different use of openstreetmap
Tim Litwiller wrote: Introduction: For my work we have a need for mapping fields agricultural sections of land for growing crops. We already put the legal description of the land in the our invoicing \ work order system and other information about the field, but we need a way to quickly print a high quality aerial photo of the section that the land is in and the outline of the field. I only need to cover 10 counties in central Kansas at least to start with, and I can get the free US Gov aerial photography and the field outlines from USDA. I'm afraid I don't have your answer either Tim, But I'm interested that you got field outlines. One thing the UK is missing in rural areas are these. I guess the UK equivalent would be DEFRA? Does anybody know if they have this data? Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Camp one is - single way with lanes=4 + bridge section Camp two would prefer all elements mapped in which case the bridge WOULD be a separate element. Camp three: multiple ways representing paths of travel, grouped with a bridge relation to indicate they share a common bridge. This could probably be seen as a compromise, and is (I think) a good interim solution, if not a very-long-term solution. That is simply camp two ... The bridge relation would have to have a physical presence at some point! In that case, just to clarify, I meant Camp 2a) All elements mapped with the bridge as a *separate* element (e.g. an area, not a relation) Camp 2b) All elements mapped with the bridge as a grouping of elements (a relation, including the ways on the bridge and optionally the area indicating the bridge surface, etc.) These are both covered by http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Bridges_and_Tunnels The point I am trying to make is that the two camps HAVE to co-exist. What we are looking for is a way to 'rough in' the data, and provide a macro level view of things, and then add the NECESSARY detail below that so that micro mapping can simply be added to the macro model. Agreed. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] feasibility - different use of openstreetmap
Dave F. davefox at madasafish.com writes: I'm afraid I don't have your answer either Tim, But I'm interested that you got field outlines. One thing the UK is missing in rural areas are these. I guess the UK equivalent would be DEFRA? Does anybody know if they have this data? Every EU country must have Land Parcel Identification System (LPIS). Almost all countries base it on orthophotos, which must be pretty accurate (RMSE 2.5 m) and no more than five years old. An example from Czech republic is good reading as an introduction http://www.lpis.cz/index_en.html. In short, very fine images exist, as well as very accurate data about actively used fieds. In most coutries neither images nor field parcel data are free but they can be used only for administrating and controlling farmer subsidies. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] routing - US interstate type junction -Wichita, KS
There is a junction on the north end of Wichita KS, that does not route correctly in the southbound direction. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.7627lon=-97.3218zoom=14layers=B000FTF I downloaded the openstreetmap for Garmin from na1400.info and noticed it there so I tried the same navigation from http://www.yournavigation.org/ and it did the same thing. I added bridges to this intersections map a few days ago - but the na1400.info data doesn't have my changes yet. I have looked at the tags on the sections of the road and don't see anything unusual. cloudmade.com seems to have an older version of the data and on there the routing works. I would like to fix this and if I messed it up I apologize and want to learn from this so it doesn't happen again. If someone has time to find the problem - please let me know what it is. Thanks ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] feasibility - different use of openstreetmap
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Tim Litwiller t...@litwiller.net wrote: Introduction: For my work we have a need for mapping fields agricultural sections of land for growing crops. We already put the legal description of the land in the our invoicing \ work order system and other information about the field, but we need a way to quickly print a high quality aerial photo of the section that the land is in and the outline of the field. I only need to cover 10 counties in central Kansas at least to start with, and I can get the free US Gov aerial photography and the field outlines from USDA. Interesting background and use case. Thank you for sharing. Question: Would it be possible/feasible to setup a map server like openstreetmap that shows all the street/roads along with my aerial photography and field outlines, and then make a search for the field by customer, by legal description or by field name? Yes. Absolutely. And provide it all as a web interface either with or without usernames and passwords. Many folks are doing similar things. Here is a site that will print a pdf map of a city for you with OSM data and an index. http://www.maposmatic.org/ You'll change a few things. You'll layer aerial images under the road info. You'll search on customer / field information rather than city names. And you'll only work in Kansas instead of France. ;-) Sounds like fun! If this in not the correct group for this, then what group would I ask this question? I realize the your system is about street and I want to misuse it for land areas, but it is such a nice system and looks like a great framework to start building what I need from. This is not misuse! ;-) ... such as street maps... is just one popular use. From the front page of the wiki: OpenStreetMap creates and provides free geographic data such as street maps to anyone who wants them. The project was started because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways. Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] routing - US interstate type junction -Wichita, KS
One thing I see at that intersection is that where the roads split with the connector to 254, the southeastern link appears to be tagged wrong. If you start from the north, working south: A way named as carrying US 81, State 15 and State 96. Also relation named 135 south. Split with a connection to 254 - Problem US 81, etc also continues south. The problem connector is also named US81...etc, as well as containing the routing relation 135 South. I believe that is what disrupted the routing. -- From: Tim Litwiller t...@litwiller.net Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:04 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] routing - US interstate type junction -Wichita, KS There is a junction on the north end of Wichita KS, that does not route correctly in the southbound direction. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.7627lon=-97.3218zoom=14layers=B000FTF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] routing - US interstate type junction -Wichita, KS
The problem connector is also named US81...etc, as well as containing the routing relation 135 South. I believe that is what disrupted the routing. A further clarification - the connection from 81 to 254 would be a secondary_link , since the road to which it connects is secondary.If it connected with another motorway, the connecting road would be a motorway_link. A *_link way usually does not have a name except for unusual cases. As an option (not required for routing), if the connection to 254 is marked as an exit, you would place a motorway_junction and enter the name(s) as shown on the sign, separated by semicolons, and the exit number. Another option is to add a 'ref' tag to the secondary_link with just the exit number. Eventually turn-by-turn instructions could make use of that information. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] routing - US interstate type junction -Wichita, KS
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Tim Litwiller t...@litwiller.net wrote: There is a junction on the north end of Wichita KS, that does not route correctly in the southbound direction. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.7627lon=-97.3218zoom=14layers=B000FTF I downloaded the openstreetmap for Garmin from na1400.info and noticed it there so I tried the same navigation from http://www.yournavigation.org/ and it did the same thing. I added bridges to this intersections map a few days ago - but the na1400.info data doesn't have my changes yet. I have looked at the tags on the sections of the road and don't see anything unusual. cloudmade.com seems to have an older version of the data and on there the routing works. I would like to fix this and if I messed it up I apologize and want to learn from this so it doesn't happen again. If someone has time to find the problem - please let me know what it is. where 254 W ramp merges into 81 S, there was an errant node that required a 178 degree turn left, then 178 degree turn right after a few yards. This was bad for my neck at 70 MPH, so I removed it. ;-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/505128415/history That sort of thing happens to me when I edit with potlatch and fumble the mouse. Not an analogy. If you are fixing TIGER stuff, remove the tiger:reviewed=no tags, or change them to yes. I consider layer=0 redundant and leave it out. Others don't. ;-) Interstates, US Routes, State Routes, anything with a highway shield sign, should have a ref=number, so I-254 is ref=254 TIGER had nodes that joined each overpass to each road passing below. Detach those nodes, then delete them. If they add important shape, move them enough that they don't overlap. None of this should break routing.though. There are a couple of typos lay=0 Do you ever change from a layer to a layer more than +/-1? I wonder if that will break routing? Have fun! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] The OpenStreetMap website is now translatable at Translatewiki
The main OpenStreetMap website (http://openstreetmap.org) can now be translated on the web using Translatewiki. I originally floated the idea in July[1] and after meeting up with the maintainers of Translatewiki at Wikimania 2009[2] we made it happen. Nikerabbit and Siebrand (Translatewiki guys) have done some great work on making this happen. If you want to translate OpenStreetMap site you can now do so at the Translatewiki site: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:OpenStreetMap Since it was imported yesterday from the OpenStreetMap SVN server we've had 1500 edits to the translations by 10 different users. 9 of those are to languages that didn't have translations already (although they're still small): Stats for yesterday: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Translating:OpenStreetMap/stats/trunkoldid=1521779 Stats for today: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Translating:OpenStreetMap/stats/trunkoldid=1527284 Stats for *now*: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:OpenStreetMap/stats/trunk These translations aren't automatically being synced back to the OpenStreetMap SVN repository yet. Me and Nikerabbit have been fixing bugs in the import/export process required to make this happen. Those bugs don't affect translations on Translatewiki.net, but it might be a few days before we can start committing back so the translated strings will show up on the OpenStreetMap site. So please go to Translatewiki and help make OpenStreetMap available in your language! 1. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2009-July/016127.html 2. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2009-August/016707.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] The OpenStreetMap website is now translatable at Translatewiki
This is great! But which OSM components does this cover? I'm assuming this only covers the main OSM website (and the wiki indirectly since MediaWiki is already in TranslateWiki) but not Potlatch, and the other editors. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.comwrote: The main OpenStreetMap website (http://openstreetmap.org) can now be translated on the web using Translatewiki. I originally floated the idea in July[1] and after meeting up with the maintainers of Translatewiki at Wikimania 2009[2] we made it happen. Nikerabbit and Siebrand (Translatewiki guys) have done some great work on making this happen. If you want to translate OpenStreetMap site you can now do so at the Translatewiki site: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:OpenStreetMap Since it was imported yesterday from the OpenStreetMap SVN server we've had 1500 edits to the translations by 10 different users. 9 of those are to languages that didn't have translations already (although they're still small): Stats for yesterday: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Translating:OpenStreetMap/stats/trunkoldid=1521779 Stats for today: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Translating:OpenStreetMap/stats/trunkoldid=1527284 Stats for *now*: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:OpenStreetMap/stats/trunk These translations aren't automatically being synced back to the OpenStreetMap SVN repository yet. Me and Nikerabbit have been fixing bugs in the import/export process required to make this happen. Those bugs don't affect translations on Translatewiki.net, but it might be a few days before we can start committing back so the translated strings will show up on the OpenStreetMap site. So please go to Translatewiki and help make OpenStreetMap available in your language! 1. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2009-July/016127.html 2. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2009-August/016707.html ___ dev mailing list d...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] routing - US interstate type junction -Wichita, KS
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 16:55, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: The problem connector is also named US81...etc, as well as containing the routing relation 135 South. I believe that is what disrupted the routing. A further clarification - the connection from 81 to 254 would be a secondary_link , since the road to which it connects is secondary. If it connected with another motorway, the connecting road would be a motorway_link. Actually, I'd say that the most common method (and what it sounds like the map features page on the wiki says) is to tag the higher of the two road classes for *_link, rather than the class of the road being connected to. So the correct tag would be motorway_link when leaving or joining a motorway regardless of the class of the other road, trunk_link if one road is a trunk and the other is anything other than motorway, and so on. It also looks like, from what I can see on aerial photos, the highway=motorway designation could apply further east for another couple miles, but I'll let someone with local knowledge make the decision there. -- David J. Lynch djly...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Australian bushwalking tracks
2009/9/22 Liz ed...@billiau.net: This is probably redundant, but water supplies should have a point identifier. If you are prepared to drink stream or river water, I hope you have what you need to make it safe. Depends where it is coming from, but dad always used to say if the horses would drink it, it was safe for us to drink. :) As for the suitability for bike or walking use, anyplace you can walk too, I can get my bicycle. I would appreciate things like staircases being marked, but I can walk them. If it is in the city and it has disabled access, I don't have to get off my bicycle. If you are bored enough you can also enter the number of steps, and I think it was on the main talk list but you should have the direction of the way from bottom to top of the stairs. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distributing Garmin maps
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only requirement is that you attribute the data to OSM. Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: In a manner suited to the medium you need to acknowledge the licence. The stuff I've put onto my Garmin has OSM on the map page of settings so that would be fine. Not exactly sure how it gets there, though. Thanks John and Liz. I'll make sure the acknowledgement is loud and clear. The map I'm producing now show up on the Garmin as OSM street map, Area 63240001, Sep 2009. I'm using mkgmap to prepare it, and 63240001.img is an intermediate file produced on the way to the gmapsupp.img final Garmin file. So that label is applied somehow by mkgmap in my case. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distributing Garmin maps
John Henderson wrote: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only requirement is that you attribute the data to OSM. Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: In a manner suited to the medium you need to acknowledge the licence. The stuff I've put onto my Garmin has OSM on the map page of settings so that would be fine. Not exactly sure how it gets there, though. Thanks John and Liz. I'll make sure the acknowledgement is loud and clear. I think I've been popping something like copyright OpenStreetMap.org CC-by-SA on the maps I've been making... or something like that. On the wrong computer at the moment... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian bushwalking tracks
On 22/09/2009, at 5:56 PM, John Smith wrote: If you are bored enough you can also enter the number of steps, and I think it was on the main talk list but you should have the direction of the way from bottom to top of the stairs. Regardless of what the talk list may have said, I think that half of the existing steps in the database are mapped in the ascending direction and half are mapped in the descending direction. So as the wiki page suggests, I'd tag direction=up/down on them. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Our own satellite imagery?
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009, Matt White wrote: So what does the commercial imagery cost? I don't even know who supplies itor what the licensing is like In my mailbox today www.aerialimpressions.com.au We are conducting aerial photography in your area over the next 4 weeks Save $200 Now $119 Receive 10 proofs of your home or property for just $119 (incl GST) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Our own satellite imagery?
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Liz wrote: In my mailbox today www.aerialimpressions.com.au We are conducting aerial photography in your area over the next 4 weeks Save $200 Now $119 Receive 10 proofs of your home or property for just $119 (incl GST) http://aerialimpressions.com.au/gallery/twnTN010.jpg looks quite usable for our purposes but of course its copyright :-( and here is the commercial cost New Aerial Survey System We now have a new mapping system allowing us to shoot full surveys of any area. Pricing for this service starts at $50 per Sq Km ( 20 Sq Km Min.) When we have a legal entity then we can start negotiating with companies like this for use of their photos ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Our own satellite imagery?
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Liz wrote: http://aerialimpressions.com.au/gallery/twnTN010.jpg looks quite usable for our purposes sorry, if you get to that image from the website, with the same name you get a reasonable size file not a thumbnail ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Our own satellite imagery?
Liz wrote: On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Liz wrote: In my mailbox today www.aerialimpressions.com.au We are conducting aerial photography in your area over the next 4 weeks Save $200 Now $119 Receive 10 proofs of your home or property for just $119 (incl GST) http://aerialimpressions.com.au/gallery/twnTN010.jpg looks quite usable for our purposes but of course its copyright :-( At least one of their products is marked as copyright free... (Aerial Photography CDROM of Melbourne) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Our own satellite imagery?
2009/9/22 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Liz wrote: http://aerialimpressions.com.au/gallery/twnTN010.jpg looks quite usable for our purposes sorry, if you get to that image from the website, with the same name you get a reasonable size file not a thumbnail http://www.aerialimpressions.com.au/gallery/twn010.jpg ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Our own satellite imagery?
2009/9/22 Liz ed...@billiau.net: and here is the commercial cost New Aerial Survey System We now have a new mapping system allowing us to shoot full surveys of any area. Pricing for this service starts at $50 per Sq Km ( 20 Sq Km Min.) Tad more expensive that sat imagery, wonder what they charge for archive imagery. When we have a legal entity then we can start negotiating with companies like this for use of their photos Did you or anyone else have a chance to look over the association rules, if so was there anything I missed? or something that should have been in there? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fixed map image for city wiki page?
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Ben Kelley wrote: There is no reference to an image in the body text of the page. That's what I'm getting at. How does the image get there? How is it included? It's included from this template code on the third line of the source: {{place|name=Sydney|type=City|area=Australia|image=Image:Sydney0708.png|lat=-33.8626|long=151.209|zoom=11}} James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Graphical view of postcodes
I've quickly made up a simple OSM style sheet to show town/postcode names and shaded postcode areas, green ones have been reviewed, red haven't been reviewed and blank areas haven't been imported. http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=7ll=-32.836,147.697layer=00B00FF ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] [Fwd: [Osmf-talk] Fwd: Local Chapter Working Group Update - Looking for Volunteers]
Hi all, Just wanted to bump the issue of a local chapter, prompted by the announcement of postcodes today [1]. It seems to me that precisely now is the time for a group to be established and (amongst other things) meet with the Minister and press for the postcode database to be freely available, as well as other data held by OSi and other state agencies. Otherwise we could have a situation like in the UK where the database is copyrighted and a huge amount of volunteer effort is required to create a free alternative. OK postcodes may not form part of the map per se, but free postcodes when combined with free maps offer lots of interesting possibilities. Equally, government agencies hold data that, if freely available (under an appropriate licence), could take the Ireland OSM project forward by many years. I'm not aware of any other group that is applying pressure on our government to free our data. It seems like we're nearly there [2],[3], but that the licence offered specifically states non-commercial (link is broken on the Department's site). Even if there are only a few people interested, I think it is worth setting up a local chapter of OSM in Ireland, and I'm certainly willing to draft a constitution/set up a website/act as secretary/whatever else is necessary. I can't see any evidence of any further work being done by the OSM Foundation on this since the post in December 2008, but I don't see this as something we should wait for (and we could always set up the group anyway, possibly not using the OSM name if necessary) Maybe getting our government to release free data is unlikely, but the benefit that it would provide to the OSM project (and indeed society as a whole) means that giving it a try is worth the effort, and I believe an approach as a group is the most appropriate one. I appreciate that others have done much more thinking about datasets and licences than I have, and would appreciate any feedback or thoughts. Cheers, Thomas. [1] http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0922/1224254988303.html [2] http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Spatial+Data/ [3] see comment at http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/?p=163 ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [Talk-br] Importação IBGE - Municípios do RS
Claudomiro Nascimento Junior escreveu: Senhores, Não consigo forçar a renderização das fronteiras. E o pior é que a fronteira Brasil/Uruguai que eu editei para usar os novos dados acabou sumindo da camada mapnik (apesar dos dados estarem no BD corretamente). O jeito é esperar um refresh completo do mapa. Para o Osmarender, estava aparecendo até pouco tempo, numa região que eu renderizei. Mas agora não está mais aparecendo. Em tempo: quando eu puxo uma área pequena pelo 'Exportar...' do osm.org, vem td certinho. Mas quando puxo uma área grande pelo osmxapi, tem alguns caminhos que não aparecem. Aparecem alguns pontos do caminho, mas não o caminho inteiro. Isto acontece com algum de vocês também? -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 . rodr...@avila.eti.br mailto:rodr...@avila.eti.br . www.avila.eti.br http://www.avila.eti.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Natal, região Nordeste e apresenta ção
Bem vindo Braulio, Então não vai ser difícil deixar Natal como a cidade mais bem mapeada do NE, não? :-) []s _ From: talk-br-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-br-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Bráulio Bezerra da Silva Sent: terça-feira, 22 de setembro de 2009 13:33 To: OpenStreetMap Brasil Subject: [Talk-br] Natal, região Nordeste e apresentação Saudações a todos, Meu nome é Bráulio, sou estudante de Engenharia de Computação da UFRN e estou mapeando a cidade de Natal desde sexta passada. E eu aceito: estou viciado. Não tenho GPS, mas as imagens do Yahoo são o suficiente por enquanto. O trabalho está sendo muito prazeroso por várias razões. Há mais alguém da região nordeste aqui? Não ouvi falar em ninguém, vendo os arquivos dessa lista. As seguintes cidades já têm algumas ruas além das BRs e das rodovias estaduais (que foram importadas do IBGE, pelo que eu entendi): - Maceió, Feira de Santana, Fortaleza, Vitória da Conquista e Natal. A maior surpresa foi Feira de Santana, com o seu grande anel circular em volta da cidade e um número imenso de ruas. Bem que o responsável por isso poderia se apresentar, se ele estiver por aqui. As capitais que não têm quase nada ainda são: - Recife, Salvador, Aracaju, João Pessoa, Teresina e São Luiz É muito pouco. Recife principalmente, que eu achei que seria a cidade mais completa do nordeste, não tem absolutamente nada mapeado. Bem, é isso, por enquanto. Tenham uma boa semana ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Natal, região Nordeste e apresenta ção
Seja bem-vindo, Bráulio! É, o OpenStreetMap vicia mesmo. ;) [] 2009/9/22 Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com Saudações a todos, Meu nome é Bráulio, sou estudante de Engenharia de Computação da UFRN e estou mapeando a cidade de Natal desde sexta passada. E eu aceito: estou viciado. Não tenho GPS, mas as imagens do Yahoo são o suficiente por enquanto. O trabalho está sendo muito prazeroso por várias razões. Há mais alguém da região nordeste aqui? Não ouvi falar em ninguém, vendo os arquivos dessa lista. As seguintes cidades já têm algumas ruas além das BRs e das rodovias estaduais (que foram importadas do IBGE, pelo que eu entendi): - Maceió, Feira de Santana, Fortaleza, Vitória da Conquista e Natal. A maior surpresa foi Feira de Santana, com o seu grande anel circular em volta da cidade e um número imenso de ruas. Bem que o responsável por isso poderia se apresentar, se ele estiver por aqui. As capitais que não têm quase nada ainda são: - Recife, Salvador, Aracaju, João Pessoa, Teresina e São Luiz É muito pouco. Recife principalmente, que eu achei que seria a cidade mais completa do nordeste, não tem absolutamente nada mapeado. Bem, é isso, por enquanto. Tenham uma boa semana ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Arlindo Saraiva Pereira Jr. Bacharelando em Sistemas de Informação - UNIRIO - uniriotec.br Consultor de Software Livre da Uniriotec Consultoria - uniriotec.com Acadêmico: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.br Profissional: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.com Geral: cont...@arlindopereira.com Tel.: +5521 92504072 Jabber/Google Talk: nig...@nighto.net Skype: nighto_sumomo Chave pública: BD065DEC ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] Feliz Aniversário Lista!
Pena que não me lembrei disso antes, mas dia 11 fez um ano que o Vitor criou essa lista... Happy, happy! Quantos usuarios já temos? ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Feliz Aniversário Lista!
Legal! Passou muito rápido! Parabéns aos 32 membros da lista! ;) 2009/9/22 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com Pena que não me lembrei disso antes, mas dia 11 fez um ano que o Vitor criou essa lista... Happy, happy! Quantos usuarios já temos? ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Feliz Aniversário Lista!
E quantas ruas e pontos de interesse o Brasil tem? Temos que começar a dividir... 2009/9/22 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com Legal! Passou muito rápido! Parabéns aos 32 membros da lista! ;) 2009/9/22 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com Pena que não me lembrei disso antes, mas dia 11 fez um ano que o Vitor criou essa lista... Happy, happy! Quantos usuarios já temos? ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] Site do OpenStreetMap agora é traduz ível no Translatewiki
Oi pessoal, Agora as traduções do site principal serão feitas no translatewiki. Talvez agora fique um pouco mais fácil de manter a tradução integrada. Abs, Vitor -- Forwarded message -- From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:13 PM Subject: [OSM-dev] The OpenStreetMap website is now translatable at Translatewiki To: OpenStreetMap t...@openstreetmap.org, OpenStreetMap development d...@openstreetmap.org, OpenStreetMap local contacts local-conta...@openstreetmap.org, mediawiki-i...@lists.wikimedia.org The main OpenStreetMap website (http://openstreetmap.org) can now be translated on the web using Translatewiki. I originally floated the idea in July[1] and after meeting up with the maintainers of Translatewiki at Wikimania 2009[2] we made it happen. Nikerabbit and Siebrand (Translatewiki guys) have done some great work on making this happen. If you want to translate OpenStreetMap site you can now do so at the Translatewiki site: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:OpenStreetMap Since it was imported yesterday from the OpenStreetMap SVN server we've had 1500 edits to the translations by 10 different users. 9 of those are to languages that didn't have translations already (although they're still small): Stats for yesterday: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Translating:OpenStreetMap/stats/trunkoldid=1521779 Stats for today: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Translating:OpenStreetMap/stats/trunkoldid=1527284 Stats for *now*: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:OpenStreetMap/stats/trunk These translations aren't automatically being synced back to the OpenStreetMap SVN repository yet. Me and Nikerabbit have been fixing bugs in the import/export process required to make this happen. Those bugs don't affect translations on Translatewiki.net, but it might be a few days before we can start committing back so the translated strings will show up on the OpenStreetMap site. So please go to Translatewiki and help make OpenStreetMap available in your language! 1. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2009-July/016127.html 2. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2009-August/016707.html ___ dev mailing list d...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-is] Beðni um aðstoð Fisfélagsins vi ð að taka loftmyndir af Höfuðborgarsvæð inu fyrir OpenStreetMap
Í AIP (Flugmálahandbókinni - sjá hér http://www.caa.is/FlugmalahandbokinAIP/AeronauticalInformationPublication/) síðu BIRK AD 2-19 lið 2.23.2 stendur: 2.23.2 Flug fisa í flugstjórnarsviði BIRK Fisum er einungis heimilt að fljúga gegnum flugstjórnarsvið BIRK á leið til og frá flugæfingasvæðinu Sletta. Öll önnur flug fisa í flugstjórnarsviði BIRK er háð undanþágu frá yfirflugumferðarstjóra. Beiðni um undanþágu skal berast með 24 tíma fyrirvara milli 08:00 og 16:00 virka daga. Yfirflugumferðarstjóri getur sett takmarkanir á heimild sína. Gerð er krafa um talstöð og að flugmenn hafi hlotið þjálfun í talstöðvaviðskiptum við flugumfeðarstjórn. Vid thyrftum thví ad fá adstod einhvers sem er med talstöd í fisinu sínu (og sjálfsagt væri ekki verra ef vidkomandi hefdi ratsjársvara - hann er líka naudsynlegur ef vid viljum taka svædid í kringum BIKF). Er einhver hér sem uppfyllir thessar kröfur og er tilbúinn ad adstoda vid svona loftmyndatöku? Bestu kvedjur, Thórir Már p.s. afsakid skortinn á Íslenskum stöfum, en thetta er skrifad med dönsku lyklabordi. 2009/9/20 Þórir Tryggvason tho...@tmail.is: Þeir eru nú engu að síður mjög duglegir að fljúga hérna yfir Grafarholtið þó það sé takmarkað... :) /ÞT 2009/9/19 Ágúst Guðmundsson a...@teigar.net Flugstjórnarsvið Reykjavíkur sem er um 12km frá miðju Reykjavíkurflugvallar er takmörkuð umferð allra flugfara, fisa sérstaklega. Auk þess er takmörkun yfir þéttbýl svæði borga og bæja. Þetta er í reglugerðum. Kveðja Ágúst -Original Message- From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [mailto:ava...@gmail.com] Sent: 19. september 2009 19:29 To: Ágúst Guðmundsson Cc: Arni Geirsson; si...@isb.is; Hans Kr.. Gudmundsson; e...@skapa.is; OpenStreetMap in Iceland Subject: Re: Beðni um aðstoð Fisfélagsins við að taka loftmyndir af Höfuðborgarsvæðinu fyrir OpenStreetMap Það vissi ég ekki. En loftmyndir af öðrum svæðum væri gott að hafa líka. Hvar er hægt að nálgast reglugerðirnar um þetta? Á þetta við um allt byggt ból á höfuðborgarsvæðinu eða Reykjavíkurborg sérstaklega? 2009/9/19 Ágúst Guðmundsson a...@teigar.net: Fis mega ekki fljúga yfir höfuðborginni nema með sérstöku leyfi. Það gæti verið áhugi einhverra með önnur svæði en höfuðborgina sjálfa. Kveðja Ágúst -Original Message- From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [mailto:ava...@gmail.com] Sent: 19. september 2009 17:42 To: Ágúst Guðmundsson; Arni Geirsson; si...@isb.is; Hans Kr.. Gudmundsson; e...@skapa.is Cc: OpenStreetMap in Iceland; Postlisti Fisfelags Reykjavikur Subject: Re: Beðni um aðstoð Fisfélagsins við að taka loftmyndir af Höfuðborgarsvæðinu fyrir OpenStreetMap Hérna er dæmi um fólk sem gerði svona í Stratford á Englandi fyrir nokkrum dögum síðan: http://milliams.com/verticalitymetre/map.html Hægt er að smella á punktana til að sjá myndir. Hérna er bloggpóstur um málið: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Milliams/diary/7969 En hvernig er það, er einhver í þessu félagi sem hefur áhuga fyrir þessu eða er ég að tala fyrir óháhugasömum eyrum? 2009/9/5 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: Hæ öllsömul. Fyrir það fyrsta: Ég sendi þennan póst á þá sem voru listaðir sem Tengiliðir á fisflug.is sem eru stjórnarmeðlimir félagsins. Ég vissi ekki betur og það getur vel verið að annar vettvangur eigi betur við. En til að koma mér að efninu. Ævar heiti ég og hef samband við ykkur því að í frítíma mínum legg ég til gögn í OpenStreetMap verkefnið: http://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap OpenStreetMap er frjáls (og ókepis) kortagrunnur af öllum heiminum (þ.á.m. Íslandi) sem hver sem er getur lagt gögn í og tekið gögn úr sér að kostnaðarlausu. Við erum komin með ágætis kort af Íslandi eftir nokkura ára framlög nokkura einstaklinga: http://osm.org/go/e1obM-- hér má t.d. sjá höfuðborgarsvæðið: http://osm.org/go/e0UvhIF- En af hverju er ég að hafa samband við ykkur? OpenStreetMap á Íslandi er nær eingöngu búið til upp úr GPS ferlum. Þ.e. einhver áhugasamur notandi labbar/hjólar/keyrir um eitthvað svæði og teiknar kort upp úr ferlunum. Hér má t.d. sjá hvernig Akranes var teiknað upp: http://blip.tv/file/1624794 En það væri mun fljótlegra að kortleggja ef við værum með loftmyndir, og það er þar sem þið komið inn. Einu loftmyndirnar sem við erum með aðgang að eru Landsat myndir frá NASA sem eru í það lágri upplausn að við erum heppin að geta teiknað stór vötn og ár upp úr þeim. Aðrir myndagrunnar eins og t.d. grunnur Loftmynda.is og SPOT5 grunnur LMÍ kosta morðfjár sem nokkrir hobbýistar hafa ekki ráð á. Því vildi ég kanna hvort áhugi væri hjá einhverjum félagsmanni eða félagsmönnum ykkar til að fljúga um t.d. Höfuðborgarsvæðið með einhvern áhugasaman einstakling frá OpenStreetMap verkefninu sem myndi taka myndir af jörðu niðri. Við svo varpað þessum myndum á þekkta punkta á jörðu niðri (e. control points) og teiknað upp nákvæmara kort út frá því.
Re: [Talk-de] OSMbugs
Hallo Dimitri, Am Dienstag, 22. September 2009 schrieb Dimitri Junker: wie kann ich alle OSM-Bugs eines Gebietes als gpx herunterladen? Ja ich habe den As GPX file link unten links entdeckt. Allerdings lädt der nur die Bugs die auch angezeigt werden, nicht aber die die beim reinzoomen auch noch erscheinen würden. Es werden normalerweise maximal 1000 Bugs angezeigt. Mit dem limit-Parameter kann die Grenze auf bis zu 10 erhöht werden, darüber sollte man den kompletten SQL-Dump verwenden. Wenn du nur offene Bugs brauchst, kannst du noch open=yes anhängen. Gary hat dazu zwei Beispiele geschrieben: http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/api/0.1/getGPX?b=47.4t=55.0l=5.9r=15.0limit=10 http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/api/0.1/getGPX?b=47.4t=55.0l=5.9r=15.0limit=10open=yes Gruß, Mitja ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographisc her Namen (Straßen etc.)
Bei solchen Namen würde ich auch eine Reihe von Schreibvarianten erwarten: Dr.-Karl-Eduard-Zachariae-von-Lingenthal-Straße Dabei bin ich mir nicht mal sicher, ob der gute sich eher als Carl schreibt. Wer hat das den Großkmehlenern eingebrockt? Variationsmöglichkeiten: - mit oder ohne Doktor - Karl oder Carl - Zacharie oder Zachariae - Lingenthal oder Lingental - Abkuerzung K. - Abkuerzung C. - Abkuerzung E. - Abkuerzung v. - Leerzeichen statt Bindestriche Schon gefundene Varianten dazu: Dr.-Z.-von-Lingenthal-Str. Dr.-K.-E.-Z.-von-Lingenthal-Str. K.-E.-Z.-v.-Lingenthal-Str. Z.-v.-Lingenthal-Str. Dr. Carl Eduard Zachariae von Lingenthal Straße Dr.-Karl-Eduard-Zacharie-von-Lingenthal-Straße Oder was hat wohl die Aachener beim AachenMünchener-Platz geritten? Schönen Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] All in One Karte und Anzeige von Maxspeed
Am 22.09.09 schrieb elchtrei...@gmx.net: Ähm nee, das hatte ich vorerst rausgenommen, da ich die kleinen Schildchen eingebaut habe. Ich denke mal prinzipiell, könnte ich das wieder einbauen, wenn es gewünscht ist. Also ich bin aus den oben genannten Gründen, wieder dafür, daß an die Straßennamen anzuhängen. Ja es ist ein Hack, aber er funktioniert ganz gut. Für nicht numerische Werte empfinde ich es als störend, insbes. wenn die Beschreibung der Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkung länger wird als der Straßenname. Kannst Du die rausfiltern, falls Du die maxspeeds wieder in den Straßennamen nimmst? Oder per sed-Skript, XSLT o.ä. ein paar häufige Werte ersetzen? Fabian. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographisc her Namen (Straßen etc.)
Moin, Martin Trautmann schrieb: Oder was hat wohl die Aachener beim AachenMünchener-Platz geritten? mit dem Eigennamen sind sie immer gut versichert ... ;-) Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] All in One Karte und Anzeige von Maxspeed
Am Dienstag 22 September 2009 00:22:28 schrieb Christoph Wagner: Ich meine an sich ist das ja auch n blöder Hack, den Maxspeed in den Straßennamen zu knallen, aber vorübergehend wohl ganz ok. Gibts da noch mehr Meinungen? Bei einer Adresssuche muss ich erst die Hausnummer eingeben, dann die Straße. Wenn die Straße nun verschiedene Abschnitte mit unterschiedlichen Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkungen hat, steht sie mehrfach in der Auswahllist was diese, wie ich finde unnötig aufbläht. MfG ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographisch er Namen (Straßen etc.)
Martin Trautmann schrieb: Oder was hat wohl die Aachener beim AachenMünchener-Platz geritten? mit dem Eigennamen sind sie immer gut versichert ... ;-) Interessant ist da die Strassensuche im Stadtplan von Aachen: Aachener-Münchener-Platz (fehlerhaft) Aachener-und-Münchener-Allee (richtig) Aachener-und-Münchener-Platz (false) AachenMünchener-Allee (fehlerhaft) Aachen-Münchener-Platz (fehlerhaft) AachenMünchener-Platz (richtig) 1834 hiess sie eben noch Aachener und Münchener. Das hat sich viele Jahrzehnte gehalten, wobei die Gesellschaftsbezeichnungen dahinter gelentlich mal wechselten. Auch 1979 war die AMB (Aachener und Münchener Beteiligungs-AG) ja noch ganz ertraeglich. Die Umbennung in AachenMünchener erfolgte wohl 2005, wird auf http://www.generali-deutschland.de/internet/amb/amb_inter.nsf/docs/Historie_Teil6#2005 aber nicht ausdruecklich erwaehnt. Diese BinnenKapitälchen sind so ein schrecklicher ZeitGeist... Schoenen Gruss Martin -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] All in One Karte und Anzeige von Maxspeed
Hallo Christoph, ich kann mich Kais Ausführungen nur anschließen :-) Elchtreiber schrieb: Hallo Christoph, Elchtreiber schrieb: Hallo, hab nur ich das Problem, da? die All in one Karte auf einem 60CSx keinen Maxspeed mehr anzeigt?! ?hm nee, das hatte ich vorerst rausgenommen, da ich die kleinen Schildchen eingebaut habe. Ich denke mal prinzipiell, k?nnte ich das wieder einbauen, wenn es gew?nscht ist. Es gab aber auch einige Stimmen, die das eher verwirrend fanden. Ich meine an sich ist das ja auch n bl?der Hack, den Maxspeed in den Stra?ennamen zu knallen, aber vor?bergehend wohl ganz ok. Leider sind die kleinen Schilder bei einer Autofahrt nicht mehr zu sehen. Ich hab letztens noch auf der A9 jede Menge Geschwindigkeitsbeschr?nkungen gefunden, die nicht in der Karte vorhanden waren. Das kann man aber nur machen, wenn das auch bei 120 km/h noch zu erkennen ist. Das ist bei den kleinen Schildern leider nicht mehr m?glich. Auf dem Fahrrad finde ich das auch noch schwer. Nur zu Fu? sollte das klappen. Leider mappe ich nichts zu Fu?, so viel Zeit habe ich dann auch nicht... Also ich bin aus den oben genannten Gr?nden, wieder daf?r, da? an die Stra?ennamen anzuh?ngen. Ja es ist ein Hack, aber er funktioniert ganz gut. +1 Ansonsten hab ich in letzter Zeit einige bugs - naja behoben will ich nicht sagen, aber eher umgangen. Es gab beispielsweise eine Zeit lang 2 Adresslayer im Men?. Das lag daran, dass eine (und zwar die letzte) erzeugte Kachel von mkgmap nicht transparent geschaltet wurde und deshalb nicht mit gruppiert werden konnte. Ich hab das Problem behoben, indem ich alles hinterher nochmal explizit mit gmaptool auf transparent setze. Super, das macht das Abschalten nat?rlich einfacher, wobei ich gestehen mu?, da? ich fast nie einen Layer abschalte, da ich zum Mappen auch alle Infos haben m?chte... Weiterhin ist noch von meiner Seite aus geplant, einen Fahrrad- und Wanderroutenlayer, einzubauen. K?nnte aber noch n bissel dauern. Gibts da Pr?ferenzen, wie sowas aussehen soll? Das w?re Superklasse. Ist es m?glich die Stra?en mit eigenem Radweg, dann auch in dem Fahrradlayer nochmals zu haben, damit da das Routing sauber funktioniert?! Ich lass mich mal ?berraschen... An dieser Stelle nochmals ein ganz gro?es Dankesch?n f?r die All in One Karte. Ohne die h?tte in meiner Ecke ein ganzer Ort keine Hausnummern. Wenn man sieht, was man Mappt, dann geht das doch einfacher ;-) +1 Gru? Kai Gruß Jürgen ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographisch er Namen (Straßen etc.)
Oder was hat wohl die Aachener beim AachenMünchener-Platz geritten? mit dem Eigennamen sind sie immer gut versichert ... ;-) Interessant ist da die Strassensuche im Stadtplan von Aachen: Aachener-Münchener-Platz (fehlerhaft) Aachener-und-Münchener-Allee (richtig) Aachener-und-Münchener-Platz (false) AachenMünchener-Allee (fehlerhaft) Aachen-Münchener-Platz (fehlerhaft) AachenMünchener-Platz (richtig) Schade, dass er in der OSM noch nicht benannt war: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.770734lon=6.086983zoom=18layers=B000FTF Ist geändert. Den Tag building site habe ich aber belassen - ist das keine endgültigere Platzgestaltung? vgl. http://www.webgeo.regioit-aachen.de:9001/ac_stadtplan/entry.jsp?mapWidth=685mapHeight=600# Die Gegend liefert mit maps.google.de oder Stadtplandienst.de exemplarisch unbrauchbare Ergebnisse. Was OSM zeigt, ist nicht so viel schlechter... -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen in JOSM 2176
Hallo! Carsten Gerlach schrieb: Naabend, Am Montag 21. September 2009 21:30:01 schrieb Wolfgang Wienke: Josm zeigt jetzt Relationen an. Das tut JOSM schon länger. Was meinst du genau? Kann man das irgendwo abstellen? Probier mal Alt+R (das zweite Symbol von unten auf der linken Seite). Das hilft nicht weiter. Wenn ich im Relationseditor eine Relation bearbeite war es früher so (V1860???), dass bei Anklicken eines Wegstücks im Relationseditor dieses in JOSM gelb markiert wurde. Dies ist wichtig, um die Reihenfolge von Wegstücke korrekt herzustellen. Diese Anzeige funkioniert jetzt nicht mehr. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen Wolfgang Wienke ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSMbugs
Hallo, Es werden normalerweise maximal 1000 Bugs angezeigt. Das war bei weitem nicht das Limit, ich bekam da 30 Bugs. http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/api/0.1/getGPX?b=47.4t=55.0l=5.9r= 15.0limit=1000 00open=yes danke, damit klappt es, habe es in taho eingebaut. Man kann da also jetzt neben den Karten auch diese gpx laden. Gruß Dimitri ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen in JOSM 2176
Moin, Wolfgang Wienke schrieb: Hallo! Carsten Gerlach schrieb: Naabend, Am Montag 21. September 2009 21:30:01 schrieb Wolfgang Wienke: Josm zeigt jetzt Relationen an. Das tut JOSM schon länger. Was meinst du genau? Kann man das irgendwo abstellen? Probier mal Alt+R (das zweite Symbol von unten auf der linken Seite). Das hilft nicht weiter. Wenn ich im Relationseditor eine Relation bearbeite war es früher so (V1860???), dass bei Anklicken eines Wegstücks im Relationseditor dieses in JOSM gelb markiert wurde. Dies ist wichtig, um die Reihenfolge von Wegstücke korrekt herzustellen. Diese Anzeige funkioniert jetzt nicht mehr. Richtig, das Anklicken alleine funktioniert nicht mehr, dafür ist jetzt der von Carsten genannte Button zuständig: Linke Spalte, der vierte von oben bzw. der zweite von unten. Die Funktionalität des Relation-Editors wurde umfangreich erweitert, so dass das einfache Anklicken/Markieren nicht mehr zur automatischen Auswahl in JOSM führen darf (hätte wieder andere Seiteneffekte). Man kann in JOSM ausgewählte Objekte ja jetzt auch gezielt vor oder hinter einem in der Relationselementeliste markierten Element einfügen. Man könnte allerdings das automatische Markieren per Doppelklick auf das Element implementieren - ist aber Ansichtssache. Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen in JOSM 2176
Wolfgang Wienke schrieb: Wenn ich im Relationseditor eine Relation bearbeite war es früher so (V1860???), dass bei Anklicken eines Wegstücks im Relationseditor dieses in JOSM gelb markiert wurde. Dies ist wichtig, um die Reihenfolge von Wegstücke korrekt herzustellen. Diese Anzeige funkioniert jetzt nicht mehr. Das hab ich auch schon vermisst, bis ich den Button auf der linken Seite unter dem Mülleimer entdeckt und ausprobiert habe. Damit wird das im Relationseditor ausgewählte Objekt auch in der Kartenansicht ausgewählt. Gruß: Martin Siegel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Grenzen / Amtlicher Gemeindeschlüssel / Postleitzahl-Gebiete
Hallo Tirkon, Tirkon schrieb: Ich habe mit dem Rechtezeugs nicht viel am Hut. Aber kann ich mit Bezug auf eine beliebige Quelle, die geschütztes Material als Public Domain veröffentlicht, meine Hände in Unschuld waschen? Wenn sie wirklich PD ist, musst Du auch keinen Bezug auf die Quelle nehmen, denn unter PD ist alles erlaubt. Hinweis: PD ist in Deutschland nicht möglich, da mein sein Urheberrecht und alle damit verbundenen Pflichten und Nutzen nicht aufgeben kann. Eine Alternative, die ziemlich ähnlich ist, ist möglicherweise CC0. Grüße Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographischer Na men (Straßen etc.)
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: eher nicht. Ich würde vermutlich Straße eintragen. Sind das evtl. Kapitälchen auf Deinem Schild? Das kommt ja auch vor. Meine Straßen heißen sowieso via, largo, pizza, piazzale, viale, viadotto, vicolo, traforo, circonvallazione, tangenziale, ... da kommt man mit der dt. Rechtschreibung nicht weiter... Das ist jetzt ein Scherz, oder? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographisc her Namen (Straßen etc.)
Hallo Martin, Martin Trautmann schrieb: 1. Anwendung der Neuregelung der deutschen Rechtschreibung: http://www.stagn.de/Portals/0/ANWENDUNG%20DER%20NEUREGELUNG%20DER%20DEUTSCHEN%20RECHTSCHREIBUNG.pdf Das wurde aber doch nur eine Empfehlung? Ich denke, dass es nur eine Empfehlung ist, da der StAGN bei uns keine hoheitlichen Aufgaben übernehmen kann. Die Namensbildung übernehmen die Länder, welche es aber an die Katasterbehörden weitergeben. Wenn Du Dir anschaust, wer alles im Ausschuss sitzt, wird glaube ich eine Art Zwang statt Empfehlung erkennbar: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A4ndiger_Ausschuss_f%C3%BCr_geographische_Namen Das amtliche Regelwerk gibt es hier: http://www.ids-mannheim.de/reform/regeln2006.pdf http://rechtschreibrat.ids-mannheim.de/download/regeln2006.pdf Zitat aus Seite 5: Das folgende amtliche Regelwerk, mit einem Regelteil und einem Wörterverzeichnis, regelt die Rechtschreibung innerhalb derjenigen Institutionen (Schule, Verwaltung), für die der Staat Regelungskompetenz hinsichtlich der Rechtschreibung hat. Die Verwaltung muss sich also an die neue Rechtschreibung halten, die Katasterbehörde gehört aber zwangsmäßig dazu. Daher entstehen also auch die Probleme, die wir derzeit haben: In der einen Liste stehen die neuen Straßennamen, auf der Straße jedoch die alten. Die Verwaltung muss sich schließlich anpassen. Sinnvoll wäre hier natürlich, ALIAS-Namen zu führen. Daher ist das vielleicht so: Ich empfehle Dir, die Namen zu übernehmen, sonst kannst Du Dich auf eine lange Diskussion mit uns und der Bevölkerung einstellen. Wie sollte man nun aber eigentlich folgende Namen schreiben? http://www.cite-baden-baden.de/05-presse/citezeitung/2005-08/2005-8-Lo.pdf * De Beauvoir-Weg * St. Exupéry-Weg § 50 obiger Regeln: Man setzt einen Bindestrich zwischen allen Bestandteilen mehrteiliger Zusammensetzungen, deren erste Bestandteile aus Eigennamen bestehen. Somit *müssten*, regelkonform, überall Bindestriche zwischen kommen. * Zola-Weg § 51 obiger Regeln: Man kann einen Bindestrich in Zusammensetzungen setzen, die als ersten Bestandteil einen Eigennamen haben, der besonders hervorgehoben werden soll, oder wenn der zweite Bestandteil bereits eine Zusammensetzung ist. Ist das aus der Empfehlung ableitbar? Nein, aber aus der amtlichen Regelgung. Es gilt aber nur für neue Namen, nicht für vorhandene. Und was ist richtiger: Dresdner oder Dresdener Straße, Frühling- oder Frühlingsstraße? Das kommt ja darauf an, ob es sich um einen Eigennamen oder einen Appellativa handelt. Viele Grüße Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographisch er Namen (Straßen etc.)
http://www.stagn.de/Portals/0/ANWENDUNG%20DER%20NEUREGELUNG%20DER%20DEUTSCHEN%20RECHTSCHREIBUNG.pdf Das wurde aber doch nur eine Empfehlung? Ich denke, dass es nur eine Empfehlung ist, da der StAGN bei uns keine hoheitlichen Aufgaben übernehmen kann. Wenn Du Dir anschaust, wer alles im Ausschuss sitzt, wird glaube ich eine Art Zwang statt Empfehlung erkennbar: Nein, das bezweifle ich - dafuer erfolgt die Namensgebung in der Regel auf Gemeinde-Ebene, die sich nicht immer um besseres Wissen scheren. Daher entstehen also auch die Probleme, die wir derzeit haben: In der einen Liste stehen die neuen Straßennamen, auf der Straße jedoch die alten. Die Verwaltung muss sich schließlich anpassen. Sinnvoll wäre hier natürlich, ALIAS-Namen zu führen. Ja, zusaetzlich. http://www.cite-baden-baden.de/05-presse/citezeitung/2005-08/2005-8-Lo.pdf * De Beauvoir-Weg * St. Exupéry-Weg § 50 obiger Regeln: Man setzt einen Bindestrich zwischen allen Bestandteilen mehrteiliger Zusammensetzungen, deren erste Bestandteile aus Eigennamen bestehen. Da sind wir uns einigermassen einig. Allerdings ist die Abkuerzung St. weit ueblicher fuer Sankt. Richtig waere also der Saint-Exupéry-Weg Somit *müssten*, regelkonform, überall Bindestriche zwischen kommen. Die Wege sind recht jung, die Stadt hat sich nicht um irgendwelche Empfehlungen gekuemmert. Da ging aber, vgl. URL, ohnehin viel schief. * Zola-Weg § 51 obiger Regeln: Man kann einen Bindestrich in Zusammensetzungen setzen, die als ersten Bestandteil einen Eigennamen haben, der besonders hervorgehoben werden soll, oder wenn der zweite Bestandteil bereits eine Zusammensetzung ist. Also eine Empfehlung der Empfehlung - beliebig schwach und unscharf abgegrenzt, so dass die Adenauer-Str. wohl beliebig ueblich sein kann, oder was auch immer heute neu benannt wird. Und was ist richtiger: Dresdner oder Dresdener Straße, Frühling- oder Frühlingsstraße? Das kommt ja darauf an, ob es sich um einen Eigennamen oder einen Appellativa handelt. Wie unterscheidest du das? Wenn es im Ort auch eine Leipziger Strasse gibt, dass ist Dresden ein Gattungsbegriff (fuer eine ostdeutsche Grossstadt), sonst aber ein Eigenname? In der Regel deutet auch nichts auf die Herren Frühling, Frieden oder Friedhof hin - ich vermute, da geht es viel mehr um zufaelliges Sprachgefuehl, ob ein Fuell-S eingefuegt wird oder nicht: Bahnhofstrasse, aber Bahnhofsplatz. Schoenen Gruss Martin -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographisc her Namen (Straßen etc.)
Florian Lohoff schrieb: Sicher nicht? Meiner Praktischen erfahrung nach nehmen die das gerne und aendern auch die Schilder - alleine in den letzten 4 Wochen in Rheda-Wiedenbrück 2 Straßen gefunden bei denen die Stadt bestaetigt hat das es neue Schilder gibt ... Das klingt super. Aber wie gesagt: Ich hätte Angst vor Haettenschweiler ;-) Es geht drum das die Schilder typischerweise gut gepflegt sind und wenig Schreibfehler aufweisen da sie typischerweise an exponierter Stelle stehen und von vielen betrachtet werden. Ich habe bislang noch nie erlebt, dass Schilder gut gepflegt werden, daher können wir hier nicht auf einen gemeinsamen Nenner kommen. Aber es sei dir ueberlassen zu mappen was du willst - Ich halte das anwenden von Rechtschreibregeln anstatt dem Stumpfen uebernehmen der Realitaet fuer einen groben fehler ... Nur, weil ich über ein Thema schreibe, muss ich nicht der gleichen Meinung sein. Wenn mich zukünftig ein Auftraggeber bittet, den Standort von fünf Braunkohlekraftwerke in Essen zu planen, werde ich vielleicht auch nicht ablehnen können. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Relationseditor
Georg Feddern wrote: Ein zirkulärer Bezug entsteht im Relationseditor doch eigentlich nur, wenn die gerade bearbeitete Relation selbst als Element mit eingebunden wird. Also ist die Nummer des beanstandeten Elements die Nummer der gerade bearbeiteten Relation. Oder denke ich da gerade an deinem Problem vorbei? Es geht auch komplizierter : Relation A enthält : Relation B Relation B enthält : Relation C Relation C enthält : Relation A Ich weiß schon warum ich Relationen als Member in Relationen nicht mag :-) Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographischer Na men (Straßen etc.)
Am 22. September 2009 14:40 schrieb Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de: Sinnvoll wäre hier natürlich, ALIAS-Namen zu führen. Daher ist das vielleicht so: Ich empfehle Dir, die Namen zu übernehmen, sonst kannst Du Dich auf eine lange Diskussion mit uns und der Bevölkerung einstellen. was willst Du denn dann mit den Alias-Namen machen? Zusätzlich rendern? Oder in der Datenbank lassen, damit alles seine Ordnung hat, bis die Kommunen neue Schilder aufgestellt haben? Im letzteren Fall gäbe es ja die langen Diskussionen trotzdem, wenn die Bevölkerung nicht vor dem Diskuttieren in unserer db nachsieht. Ehrlich gesagt: ausser OSM-lern und Leuten, die wirklich nichts zu tun haben, wird das niemandem auffallen ;-) Geht lieber mappen :D, die Lösung für Gründliche ist ja schon da: bei der Gemeinde nachfragen, alles andere ist reine Spekulation. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographischer Na men (Straßen etc.)
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Geht lieber mappen :D, die Lösung für Gründliche ist ja schon da: bei der Gemeinde nachfragen, alles andere ist reine Spekulation. Wieso muss man immer gleich mappen gehen, um für OpenStreetMap etwas Gutes zu tun? Ich helfe derzeit einem großen deutschen Wanderportal dabei, auf OSM umzusteigen (vorher ATKIS). Alleine von dort haben wir mehrere hundert km neue Wege importieren können, wo im OSM bislang nichts war. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographisch er Namen (Straßen etc.)
Hallo, Martin Trautmann schrieb: Nein, das bezweifle ich - dafuer erfolgt die Namensgebung in der Regel auf Gemeinde-Ebene, die sich nicht immer um besseres Wissen scheren. Gerade im Osten wirst Du nicht in jeder Gemeinde eine Katasterbehörde sitzen haben :-) Da sind wir uns einigermassen einig. Allerdings ist die Abkuerzung St. weit ueblicher fuer Sankt. Richtig waere also der Saint-Exupéry-Weg Laut Wikipedia heißt die Person mit vollem Namen Antoine Marie Roger Vicomte de Saint-Exupéry. Es ist daher schon ziemlich Brutal, man St.-Exupéry schreibt. Oder kürzt man es im Französischen genauso ab? Somit *müssten*, regelkonform, überall Bindestriche zwischen kommen. Die Wege sind recht jung, die Stadt hat sich nicht um irgendwelche Empfehlungen gekuemmert. Da ging aber, vgl. URL, ohnehin viel schief. Dass Namen mit Bindestrich geschrieben werden, war auch vor der Reform schon so... Also eine Empfehlung der Empfehlung - beliebig schwach und unscharf abgegrenzt, so dass die Adenauer-Str. wohl beliebig ueblich sein kann, oder was auch immer heute neu benannt wird. Es ist keine Empfehlung der Empehlung, sondern eine Möglichkeit der amtliche Regelung. Ich habe mich nicht auf die Empfehlung der StAGN bezogen, denn diese kennt keine Paragraphen. Nehmen wir mal das hier: Hamburg-Mannheimerstraße auf Basis der Versicherung Hamburg-Mannheimer. Es wäre somit möglich, Hamburg-Mannheimer-Straße zu schreiben. Wie unterscheidest du das? Wenn es im Ort auch eine Leipziger Strasse gibt, dass ist Dresden ein Gattungsbegriff (fuer eine ostdeutsche Grossstadt), sonst aber ein Eigenname? In der Regel deutet auch nichts auf die Herren Frühling, Frieden oder Friedhof hin - ich vermute, da geht es viel mehr um zufaelliges Sprachgefuehl, ob ein Fuell-S eingefuegt wird oder nicht: Bahnhofstrasse, aber Bahnhofsplatz. §§ 37 und 59: Dort ist Bahnhofstraße auch als Beispiel gegeben. Wie ist die richtige Bezeichnung für das Füll-S? Ich finde nichts dazu. Grüße Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Rollstuhlrouting-Portal online!
Adiac schrieb: oder hat jemand noch weitere Ideen dazu? access = wheelchair ? Ein access=no heißt doch Zugang für Niemanden. Wie wäre ein access={key|eurokey|centralkey} (ich kenn’ die Schlüssel nicht)? Ich kenne nur zwei offizielle lokale Namen: Deutschland, Schweiz, Österreich: Euroschlüssel Italien: EuroChiave Ich glaube, der internationale Name ist wirklich Eurokey. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographischer Na men (Straßen etc.)
Wieso muss man immer gleich mappen gehen, um für OpenStreetMap etwas Gutes zu tun? Ich helfe derzeit einem großen deutschen Wanderportal dabei, auf OSM umzusteigen (vorher ATKIS). Alleine von dort haben wir mehrere hundert km neue Wege importieren können, wo im OSM bislang nichts war. Ich hoffe die sind halbwegs aktuell und von Wanderern erfasst. Ansonsten kannst du gleich ein FIXME mit dranhängen. In letzter Zeit erfasse ich ebenfalls Wanderwege, allerdings direkt vor Ort. Viele dieser Wege wurden hier z.B. mal im Rahmen einer ABM in der Mitte der Neunziger angelegt, wurden aber seither nicht gepflegt. Viele Abschnitte sind mitlerweile quasi unpassierbar oder verlegt, teilweise aufgelassen und nicht mehr ausgeschildert. Die stehen aber alle noch in den aktuellen Wanderkarten drin. Auch auf diversen Seiten, wo veraltete Pfade angeboten werden. Deswegen ist mappen manchmal die besser Methode ;-) Gruß Mirko ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographisch er Namen (Straßen etc.)
Gerade im Osten wirst Du nicht in jeder Gemeinde eine Katasterbehörde sitzen haben :-) Gerade im Osten ist das aber oft schon zentralisiert, z.B. bei einem Landesvermessungsamt, wo im Westen die Staedte noch ihr eigenes Sueppchen kochen. Laut Wikipedia heißt die Person mit vollem Namen Antoine Marie Roger Vicomte de Saint-Exupéry. Es ist daher schon ziemlich Brutal, man St.-Exupéry schreibt. Oder kürzt man es im Französischen genauso ab? Ja, mit der Unterscheidung St. = Saint, Ste. = Sainte. Dass Namen mit Bindestrich geschrieben werden, war auch vor der Reform schon so... ... und wurde auch vor der Reform schon oft genug falsch gemacht. Es ist keine Empfehlung der Empehlung, sondern eine Möglichkeit der amtliche Regelung. Ich habe mich nicht auf die Empfehlung der StAGN bezogen, denn diese kennt keine Paragraphen. Nehmen wir mal das hier: Hamburg-Mannheimerstraße auf Basis der Versicherung Hamburg-Mannheimer. Es wäre somit möglich, Hamburg-Mannheimer-Straße zu schreiben. Das waere IMHO sogar recht zwingend vorgeschrieben, im Unterschied natuerlich zur Mannheimer Strasse. -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographisch er Namen (Straßen etc.)
Martin Trautmann schrieb: Gerade im Osten wirst Du nicht in jeder Gemeinde eine Katasterbehörde sitzen haben :-) Gerade im Osten ist das aber oft schon zentralisiert, z.B. bei einem Landesvermessungsamt, wo im Westen die Staedte noch ihr eigenes Sueppchen kochen. Meinte ich doch damit. Laut Wikipedia heißt die Person mit vollem Namen Antoine Marie Roger Vicomte de Saint-Exupéry. Es ist daher schon ziemlich Brutal, man St.-Exupéry schreibt. Oder kürzt man es im Französischen genauso ab? Ja, mit der Unterscheidung St. = Saint, Ste. = Sainte. Dann ist es ja doch noch akzeptabel, wenn aber auch stark irritierend. Dass Namen mit Bindestrich geschrieben werden, war auch vor der Reform schon so... ... und wurde auch vor der Reform schon oft genug falsch gemacht. Meinte ich doch damit. ;-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographischer Na men (Straßen etc.)
Mirko Küster schrieb: Ich hoffe die sind halbwegs aktuell und von Wanderern erfasst. Ansonsten kannst du gleich ein FIXME mit dranhängen. In letzter Zeit erfasse ich ebenfalls Wanderwege, allerdings direkt vor Ort. Viele dieser Wege wurden hier z.B. mal im Rahmen einer ABM in der Mitte der Neunziger angelegt, wurden aber seither nicht gepflegt. Viele Abschnitte sind mitlerweile quasi unpassierbar oder verlegt, teilweise aufgelassen und nicht mehr ausgeschildert. Wir haben Wanderwege und Straßen schon unterteilt - aber ja, sie sind aktuell. Da liegt ja die Macht des Portals und die Macht soll dann auch zurück nach OSM fließen und die Macht von OSM ... you know. Die stehen aber alle noch in den aktuellen Wanderkarten drin. Auch auf diversen Seiten, wo veraltete Pfade angeboten werden. Dann würde das Portal niemand nutzen. Ich will noch keine Namen nennen, da dies bald eine Marketing-Firma übernehmen wird. Deswegen ist mappen manchmal die besser Methode ;-) Dann müsste ich ja jedem Mapper auf die Finger schauen. Ich habe in letzter Zeit viele schöne kleine Anwendungen für OpenLayers gebastelt, die ich jetzt endlich anwenden kann. Mappen tue ich selbst meistens eh nur dort, wo noch nichts ist. Bald mache ich endlich die Hausnummern in Werl fertig - die habe ich schon vor einem halben Jahr fast komplett gemappt, aber noch keine Zeit gehabt, sie einzutragen. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographisch er Namen (Straßen etc.)
Wie unterscheidest du das? Wenn es im Ort auch eine Leipziger Strasse gibt, dass ist Dresden ein Gattungsbegriff (fuer eine ostdeutsche Grossstadt), sonst aber ein Eigenname? In der Regel deutet auch nichts auf die Herren Frühling, Frieden oder Friedhof hin - ich vermute, da geht es viel mehr um zufaelliges Sprachgefuehl, ob ein Fuell-S eingefuegt wird oder nicht: Bahnhofstrasse, aber Bahnhofsplatz. §§ 37 und 59: Dort ist Bahnhofstraße auch als Beispiel gegeben. Wie ist die richtige Bezeichnung für das Füll-S? Ich finde nichts dazu. Ich vermute: Fugenlaut http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugenlaut#Verwendung -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen in JOSM 2176
Georg Feddern schrieb: Wenn ich im Relationseditor eine Relation bearbeite war es früher so (V1860???), dass bei Anklicken eines Wegstücks im Relationseditor dieses in JOSM gelb markiert wurde. Dies ist wichtig, um die Reihenfolge von Wegstücke korrekt herzustellen. Diese Anzeige funkioniert jetzt nicht mehr. Vor drei Wochen schrieb ich das in den JOSM-Bugtracker: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/3400 Richtig, das Anklicken alleine funktioniert nicht mehr, dafür ist jetzt der von Carsten genannte Button zuständig: Linke Spalte, der vierte von oben bzw. der zweite von unten. Wenn ich die Elemente im Relationseditor auswähle, darf ich für jede Selektion, von der ich wissen will, wo sie liegt, einmal Knöpfchen drücken -.- Diese Handhabung finde ich umständlich. Es war ein Vorzug des (alten) Relationseditors, sofort zu sehen, was man ausgewählt hat und wo das Element liegt. Wenn ich die Stücke in Josm auswähle, darf ich jedes kleinste Stückchen einzeln anklicken (z.B. Brücken) - auch nicht optimal Die Funktionalität des Relation-Editors wurde umfangreich erweitert, so dass das einfache Anklicken/Markieren nicht mehr zur automatischen Auswahl in JOSM führen darf (hätte wieder andere Seiteneffekte). Welche? Ich kann mir keine vorstellen. Man kann in JOSM ausgewählte Objekte ja jetzt auch gezielt vor oder hinter einem in der Relationselementeliste markierten Element einfügen. Man könnte allerdings das automatische Markieren per Doppelklick auf das Element implementieren - ist aber Ansichtssache. Wie soll das mit mehr als einem Element funktionieren? Gruß malenki ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographisch er Namen (Straßen etc.)
- Meinte ich doch damit. Dann ist es ja doch noch akzeptabel, wenn aber auch stark irritierend. Meinte ich doch damit. ;-) Wir sind uns wieder mal einig :-) Martin -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Rendern von Photovoltaik-Kraftwerken
André Riedel schrieb: In Osmarender ist das Icon in leicht geschrumpfter Version [1] integriert (rev. 17749 und rev. 17751). Muss jetzt nur noch von den t...@h-clients übernommen werden. Sehr schön! Ein Kraftwerk in meiner Nähe war schon gerendert, als ich nachschaute. Eventuell sollte man das Icon doch kleiner rendern, aber so häufig wird es ja auch noch nicht verwendet (95mal [2]), als dass man davon überrannt wird. Vielleicht sähe es auch gut aus, wenn die Icons mit etwas größerem Abstand dargestellt würden. Würde das renderseitig umgesetzt? Sollte ich vielleicht noch die Zwischenräume der einzelnen Solarzellen auf dem Panel vergrößern? Im Moment kann man sie gerade so erahnen. Ein kleiner Schönheitsfehler: Straßen, die durch eine Photovoltaik-Fläche führen, werden von den Icons überdeckt: http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=50.90843517100747lon=13.373085386377397zoom=16layers=BF000F Gruß malenki ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bildung und Rechtschreibung geographisch er Namen (Straßen etc.)
Martin Trautmann schrieb: Ich vermute: Fugenlaut http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugenlaut#Verwendung Die Verwendung der Fugenlaute folgt dem Sprachgefühl und ist nicht immer einheitlich. ;-)) Im gesamten Regelwerk taucht das Fugenlaut nicht auf. Ah, steht auch unterschwellig so bei Wikipedia: Das Weglassen eines in der Alltagssprache üblichen und als richtig empfundenen Fugen-s ist kennzeichnend für das Amtsdeutsch und findet außer in Behörden insbesondere in der Versicherungswirtschaft Anwendung. Wenn man die Regeln konform auslegt, gibt es also den Fugenlaut anscheinend nicht. Das werde ich gleich einmal anfragen. Danke für den Hinweis an beide Martins! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de