Re: [OSM-talk] Field Papers web app source code hosted at GitHub currently subject to DMCA takedown and not accessible
I have to admit: I don't know what FieldPapers is - but this seems a very heavy-handed action. What's wrong with the complainant just asking the font is removed from the source code repository? Why remove the whole source code? -Joseph R. Justice jayare...@gmail.com wrote: - To: OSM Talk ML talk@openstreetmap.org, OSM Talk-US List talk...@openstreetmap.org From: Joseph R. Justice jayare...@gmail.com Date: 29/08/2014 03:10AM Cc: Stamen Design i...@stamen.com Subject: [OSM-talk] Field Papers web app source code hosted at GitHub currently subject to DMCA takedown and not accessible [Intentionally posted to both talk@ and talk-us@. -- J] I just now happened to try to access my personal fork of the repository for the source code for the Field Papers (http://fieldpapers.org/) web app site (said repository of source code can usually be found at https://github.com/stamen/fieldpapers), only to find that the fork was currently not accessible due to a DMCA takedown, apparently related to the presence of font data originally created by Monotype Corporation and/or related companies and organizations. Because of this DMCA takedown, the master repository of the source for Field Papers, my personal fork of it, and the repository for the source of the software Field Papers was derived from are all currently inaccessible at GitHub. (Many other things unrelated to Field Papers or OSM in general are also being affected by this.) Information about the DMCA takedown and what is affected by it, and what the takedown is complaining about, can be found at https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2014-08-27-Monotype-Imaging.md . Does Stamen Design (as the organization responsible for creating and presumably maintaining the Field Papers web app at http://fieldpapers.org/ and the software behind the web app) know about this yet? Are they doing something about it? I wouldn't be surprised if the DMCA takedown is extended to the web app site itself at some point, if something isn't done about this. I have taken the liberty of CCing Stamen Design at i...@stamen.com with this letter, to make sure they are aware of what's going on (especially if they are not yet aware of it). Thank you for giving me a moment of your time. I hope you find this of some use, interest. I look forward to learning more about this situation as it develops and is (hopefully) resolved in a desirable fashion in the near future. Joseph PS: I still cannot access my own attempt at an account at the Field Papers web app site, but that's not relevant to the issue here. If I ever get off my lazy butt and write some patches to their code for the site to fix this sort of thing (which is why I'd created a fork in the first place), then I'd be able to get at my account w/o needing them to do something. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Field Papers web app source code hosted at GitHub currently subject to DMCA takedown and not accessible
Il 29/ago/2014 10:02 Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk ha scrittore : I have to admit: I don't know what FieldPapers is - but this seems a very heavy-handed action. What's wrong with the complainant just asking the font is removed from the source code repository? Why remove the whole source code? I believe that some organizations just find easier to fill a DMCA takedown request instead of being polite. C ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Introducing Fix waterway direction
Hi, for Europe, you could also use the EU-DEM ( http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/data/eu-dem) a hybrid product based on SRTM and ASTER GDEM data fused by a weighted averaging approach = full compatibility with SRTM, but with better data ;) Sylvain 2014-08-28 20:49 GMT+02:00 Peter Barth osm-p...@won2.de: Hi all, I created a new challenge for MapRoulette: Fix waterway direction. As the waterway's direction in OSM denotes the direction of the water's flow, I started to compare them to SRTM. This leads to more than 1 million wrong directions for Europe only. Many times SRTM is right, however, due to data errors, not every time. That's why I created this challenge. A more detailed description can also be found on my user diary here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Peda/diary/23632 I started with the really easy ones and only Europe for now. I will upload further tasks soon, worldwide coverage will follow, too. Hope you enjoy this challenge, Peda -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Field Papers web app source code hosted at GitHub currently subject to DMCA takedown and not accessible
I have to say (as somebody who is potentially at the receiving end of such requests), that while being polite, is, well polite, from a legal point of view getting a DCMA request is actually nicer. Nicer as in: simple procedure to follow, low probability of the request not being acted on and no danger of being sued for damages after the fact. Simon Am 29.08.2014 10:08, schrieb Cristian Consonni: Il 29/ago/2014 10:02 Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk ha scrittore : I have to admit: I don't know what FieldPapers is - but this seems a very heavy-handed action. What's wrong with the complainant just asking the font is removed from the source code repository? Why remove the whole source code? I believe that some organizations just find easier to fill a DMCA takedown request instead of being polite. C ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script
Hi Richard, clever query or script maybe you can use OSM OPL format this ad-hoc query, and process the data with sed, awk, grep . my draft ubuntu script - with comments. https://gist.github.com/ImreSamu/be49fd1ce511975325d2#file-bridge_swing-sh result ( Overpass-Wizard Query - but you can export the data to JOSM ) https://gist.github.com/ImreSamu/a2dd0a8c25f0fea5284c#file-bridge_swing_overpass_wizard-md the example result - Overpass-Wizard Query : type:way and ( id:28134411 or id:29295367 or id:30178341 or id:30178382 or id:33132931 or id:33132936 or id:33132949 ) global ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_turbo/Wizard - see Meta-Data Filters ) *How to check the query * ** go http://overpass-turbo.eu/ http://overpass-turbo.eu/ * ** select Wizard* * * copy /paste the generated query : type:way and ( id:27001207 or id:72584563 ) global* * * Build and run query - and check the result.* * * if you got timeout error, then check the generated script timeout ( osm-script output=json timeout=25 ) and set to 200 - and rerun * ** you can load data into an OSM editor: JOSM, - see Export menu * From the OSM OPL history - very easy to grep the first contributor # convert the osm history file to OPL ( *osmium cat w11323607.osh -f opl* ) # sample OSM History OPL file: # w100646626 v1 dV c7343540 t2011-02-20T15:08:57Z i37137 uDerick%0020Rethans Tbridge=yes,highway=footway Nn309461645,n1163494643 # w100646626 v2 dV c12447614 t2012-07-23T09:52:38Z i404175 urickogden Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n1163494643 # w100646626 v3 dV c18538313 t2013-10-25T16:16:57Z i24119 uMauls Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n2508499967 # w100646626 v4 dV c25024407 t2014-08-26T10:51:45Z i66391 ugeozeisig Tbridge=movable,bridge:movable=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n2508499967 # w100646626 v5 dV c25050883 t2014-08-27T12:42:02Z i66391 ugeozeisig Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n2508499967 # # filter the results by the first contributor who added bridge=swing to the way # ( *egrep -m 1 '( T|,)bridge=swing'* ) #result: v2 # w100646626 v2 dV c12447614 t2012-07-23T09:52:38Z i404175 urickogden Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n1163494643 # The OPL format - from the OSMIUM manual: v - Version d - Deleted flag ('V' - visible or 'D' - deleted) c - Changeset ID t - Timestamp (ISO Format) i - User ID u - Username T - Tags x - Longitude (nodes only) y - Latitude (nodes only) N - Nodes (ways only) M - Members (relations only) you can find other interesting examples in the OSMIUM manual Find all users who have created post boxes: egrep ' v1 ' data.osm.opl | egrep 'amenity=post_box' | cut -d' ' -f7 | cut -c2- | sort -u OSMIUM tool - and more examples : http://osmcode.org/libosmium/manual/libosmium-manual.html#output-formats https://www.sotm-eu.org/en/slots/36 https://www.sotm-eu.org/slides/44.pdf Imre 2014-08-28 12:39 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Hi, trying to clean up bridge=swing as far as possible. There was at least user in the past who used the combination systematically wrong, so I want to split the result by user who introduced the bridge=swing. To make things complicated - a few days ago one contributor did a well meant effort to convert all bridge=swing - bridge=movable+bridge:movable=swing and reverted that edit because there were too many errors in it. Hence doing a naive search for user doesn't work. So I want to : * find all bridge=swing * split results by the first contributor who added bridge=swing to the way * get the results into JOSM for examination and editing Tia for any hints, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Introducing Fix waterway direction
On 29/08/2014 12:43, Sylvain Maillard wrote: for Europe, you could also use the EU-DEM (http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/data/eu-dem) a hybrid product based on SRTM and ASTER GDEM data fused by a weighted averaging approach = full compatibility with SRTM, but with better data Nice ! Is that the only processing involved in the production of this data ? More specifically, I was wondering if anything is done specifically to detect and smooth ASTER's well-known artifacts before letting them pollute the end-product. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script
On 28/08/2014 11:39, Richard Z. wrote: To make things complicated - a few days ago one contributor did a well meant effort to convert all bridge=swing - bridge=movable+bridge:movable=swing and reverted that edit because there were too many errors in it. Hence doing a naive search for user doesn't work. In the meantime I guess that people could try and search out bridges from that changeset that they've mapped themselves or are familiar with, and change them if the new tagging applies. I've done one (originally added by me 5 years ago) near me... Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 02:22:10PM +0200, Imre Samu wrote: Hi Imre, thousands thanks - everything seems to work perfectly as described. one question - if I would want to compile osmium myself the README says that no files need to be build and doesn't say where osmium comes from? Richard clever query or script maybe you can use OSM OPL format this ad-hoc query, and process the data with sed, awk, grep . my draft ubuntu script - with comments. https://gist.github.com/ImreSamu/be49fd1ce511975325d2#file-bridge_swing-sh result ( Overpass-Wizard Query - but you can export the data to JOSM ) https://gist.github.com/ImreSamu/a2dd0a8c25f0fea5284c#file-bridge_swing_overpass_wizard-md the example result - Overpass-Wizard Query : type:way and ( id:28134411 or id:29295367 or id:30178341 or id:30178382 or id:33132931 or id:33132936 or id:33132949 ) global ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_turbo/Wizard - see Meta-Data Filters ) *How to check the query * ** go http://overpass-turbo.eu/ http://overpass-turbo.eu/ * ** select Wizard* * * copy /paste the generated query : type:way and ( id:27001207 or id:72584563 ) global* * * Build and run query - and check the result.* * * if you got timeout error, then check the generated script timeout ( osm-script output=json timeout=25 ) and set to 200 - and rerun * ** you can load data into an OSM editor: JOSM, - see Export menu * From the OSM OPL history - very easy to grep the first contributor # convert the osm history file to OPL ( *osmium cat w11323607.osh -f opl* ) # sample OSM History OPL file: # w100646626 v1 dV c7343540 t2011-02-20T15:08:57Z i37137 uDerick%0020Rethans Tbridge=yes,highway=footway Nn309461645,n1163494643 # w100646626 v2 dV c12447614 t2012-07-23T09:52:38Z i404175 urickogden Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n1163494643 # w100646626 v3 dV c18538313 t2013-10-25T16:16:57Z i24119 uMauls Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n2508499967 # w100646626 v4 dV c25024407 t2014-08-26T10:51:45Z i66391 ugeozeisig Tbridge=movable,bridge:movable=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n2508499967 # w100646626 v5 dV c25050883 t2014-08-27T12:42:02Z i66391 ugeozeisig Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n2508499967 # # filter the results by the first contributor who added bridge=swing to the way # ( *egrep -m 1 '( T|,)bridge=swing'* ) #result: v2 # w100646626 v2 dV c12447614 t2012-07-23T09:52:38Z i404175 urickogden Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n1163494643 # The OPL format - from the OSMIUM manual: v - Version d - Deleted flag ('V' - visible or 'D' - deleted) c - Changeset ID t - Timestamp (ISO Format) i - User ID u - Username T - Tags x - Longitude (nodes only) y - Latitude (nodes only) N - Nodes (ways only) M - Members (relations only) you can find other interesting examples in the OSMIUM manual Find all users who have created post boxes: egrep ' v1 ' data.osm.opl | egrep 'amenity=post_box' | cut -d' ' -f7 | cut -c2- | sort -u OSMIUM tool - and more examples : http://osmcode.org/libosmium/manual/libosmium-manual.html#output-formats https://www.sotm-eu.org/en/slots/36 https://www.sotm-eu.org/slides/44.pdf Imre 2014-08-28 12:39 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Hi, trying to clean up bridge=swing as far as possible. There was at least user in the past who used the combination systematically wrong, so I want to split the result by user who introduced the bridge=swing. To make things complicated - a few days ago one contributor did a well meant effort to convert all bridge=swing - bridge=movable+bridge:movable=swing and reverted that edit because there were too many errors in it. Hence doing a naive search for user doesn't work. So I want to : * find all bridge=swing * split results by the first contributor who added bridge=swing to the way * get the results into JOSM for examination and editing Tia for any hints, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
Hi, having frequent problems today, sometimes everything works and sometimes when downloading/uploading data JOSM says Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair The network connection seems fine, background imagery is laoded fine - is anyone else seeing this?? Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: having frequent problems today, sometimes everything works and sometimes when downloading/uploading data JOSM says Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair Thank you - that explains a lot. You're the first person to provide the actual error details and it explains why the temporary fix I managed to come up with accidentally has solved the problem. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script
if I would want to compile osmium myself the README says that no files need to be build and doesn't say where osmium comes from? I have used the code and instructions from this 2 repo https://github.com/osmcode/libosmium ( osmium library ) https://github.com/osmcode/osmium-tool ( osmium command line tool ) if you have a some problems with the installation, then I can create a Docker Container ( www.docker.com ) for you. Imre 2014-08-29 15:55 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 02:22:10PM +0200, Imre Samu wrote: Hi Imre, thousands thanks - everything seems to work perfectly as described. one question - if I would want to compile osmium myself the README says that no files need to be build and doesn't say where osmium comes from? Richard clever query or script maybe you can use OSM OPL format this ad-hoc query, and process the data with sed, awk, grep . my draft ubuntu script - with comments. https://gist.github.com/ImreSamu/be49fd1ce511975325d2#file-bridge_swing-sh result ( Overpass-Wizard Query - but you can export the data to JOSM ) https://gist.github.com/ImreSamu/a2dd0a8c25f0fea5284c#file-bridge_swing_overpass_wizard-md the example result - Overpass-Wizard Query : type:way and ( id:28134411 or id:29295367 or id:30178341 or id:30178382 or id:33132931 or id:33132936 or id:33132949 ) global ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_turbo/Wizard - see Meta-Data Filters ) *How to check the query * ** go http://overpass-turbo.eu/ http://overpass-turbo.eu/ * ** select Wizard* * * copy /paste the generated query : type:way and ( id:27001207 or id:72584563 ) global* * * Build and run query - and check the result.* * * if you got timeout error, then check the generated script timeout ( osm-script output=json timeout=25 ) and set to 200 - and rerun * ** you can load data into an OSM editor: JOSM, - see Export menu * From the OSM OPL history - very easy to grep the first contributor # convert the osm history file to OPL ( *osmium cat w11323607.osh -f opl* ) # sample OSM History OPL file: # w100646626 v1 dV c7343540 t2011-02-20T15:08:57Z i37137 uDerick%0020Rethans Tbridge=yes,highway=footway Nn309461645,n1163494643 # w100646626 v2 dV c12447614 t2012-07-23T09:52:38Z i404175 urickogden Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n1163494643 # w100646626 v3 dV c18538313 t2013-10-25T16:16:57Z i24119 uMauls Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n2508499967 # w100646626 v4 dV c25024407 t2014-08-26T10:51:45Z i66391 ugeozeisig Tbridge=movable,bridge:movable=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n2508499967 # w100646626 v5 dV c25050883 t2014-08-27T12:42:02Z i66391 ugeozeisig Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n2508499967 # # filter the results by the first contributor who added bridge=swing to the way # ( *egrep -m 1 '( T|,)bridge=swing'* ) #result: v2 # w100646626 v2 dV c12447614 t2012-07-23T09:52:38Z i404175 urickogden Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n1163494643 # The OPL format - from the OSMIUM manual: v - Version d - Deleted flag ('V' - visible or 'D' - deleted) c - Changeset ID t - Timestamp (ISO Format) i - User ID u - Username T - Tags x - Longitude (nodes only) y - Latitude (nodes only) N - Nodes (ways only) M - Members (relations only) you can find other interesting examples in the OSMIUM manual Find all users who have created post boxes: egrep ' v1 ' data.osm.opl | egrep 'amenity=post_box' | cut -d' ' -f7 | cut -c2- | sort -u OSMIUM tool - and more examples : http://osmcode.org/libosmium/manual/libosmium-manual.html#output-formats https://www.sotm-eu.org/en/slots/36 https://www.sotm-eu.org/slides/44.pdf Imre 2014-08-28 12:39 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Hi, trying to clean up bridge=swing as far as possible. There was at least user in the past who used the combination systematically wrong, so I want to split the result by user who introduced the bridge=swing. To make things complicated - a few days ago one contributor did a well meant effort to convert all bridge=swing - bridge=movable+bridge:movable=swing and reverted that edit because there were too many errors in it. Hence doing a naive search for user doesn't work. So I want to : * find all bridge=swing * split results by the first contributor who added bridge=swing to the way * get the results into JOSM for examination and editing Tia for any hints, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On 29/08/14 15:08, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: having frequent problems today, sometimes everything works and sometimes when downloading/uploading data JOSM says Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair Thank you - that explains a lot. You're the first person to provide the actual error details and it explains why the temporary fix I managed to come up with accidentally has solved the problem. Hmm... Actually I think you may have a different problem. Specifically it looks like you are hitting this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/ssl/ssl_faq.html#javadh Which fits with us upgrading the servers today. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 03:08:31PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: having frequent problems today, sometimes everything works and sometimes when downloading/uploading data JOSM says Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair Thank you - that explains a lot. You're the first person to provide the actual error details and it explains why the temporary fix I managed to come up with accidentally has solved the problem. still the same problem here though. Additionally, when launching JOSM it says JOSM tried to access the following resources: https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/capabilities but failed to do so, because of the following network errors: java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: Prime size must be multiple of 64, and can only range from 512 to 1024 (inclusive) It may be due to a missing proxy configuration. Would you like to change your proxy settings now? Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On 29/08/2014 16:14, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:08, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair It looks like you are hitting this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/ssl/ssl_faq.html#javadh Which fits with us upgrading the servers today. So is there a client-side workaround or should we just wait for an api.openstreetmap.org fix ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On 29/08/14 15:20, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 29/08/2014 16:14, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:08, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair It looks like you are hitting this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/ssl/ssl_faq.html#javadh Which fits with us upgrading the servers today. So is there a client-side workaround or should we just wait for an api.openstreetmap.org fix ? Well the FAQ isn't very helpful, but it seems that there is no client side fix (other than upgrading to Java 7 or later). Just trying to work out the best fix for the server that won't reduce the SSL protection for more recent browsers. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 03:25:02PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:20, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 29/08/2014 16:14, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:08, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair It looks like you are hitting this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/ssl/ssl_faq.html#javadh Which fits with us upgrading the servers today. So is there a client-side workaround or should we just wait for an api.openstreetmap.org fix ? Well the FAQ isn't very helpful, but it seems that there is no client side fix (other than upgrading to Java 7 or later). the FAQ actually says Java 7 and earlier limit their support for DH prime sizes to a maximum of 1024 bits ..not sure if there is any Java version at all that would do it and work together with JOSM. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 04:12:08PM +0200, Imre Samu wrote: if I would want to compile osmium myself the README says that no files need to be build and doesn't say where osmium comes from? I have used the code and instructions from this 2 repo https://github.com/osmcode/libosmium ( osmium library ) https://github.com/osmcode/osmium-tool ( osmium command line tool ) ok, the https://github.com/osmcode/osmium-tool was the missing link. if you have a some problems with the installation, then I can create a Docker Container ( www.docker.com ) for you. hopefully not necessary.. I do not need it quickly and if I will do it will try to create all the RPM specfiles. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On 29/08/2014 16:32, Richard Z. wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 03:25:02PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:20, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 29/08/2014 16:14, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:08, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair it seems that there is no client side fix (other than upgrading to Java 7 or later). Ok - upgrading to Java 7 fixed the problem for me, thanks ! Well - it is not like JOSM had not been warning me for ages that staying with Java 6 was going to cause problems... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script
I have cleaned my Dockerfile - maybe you can use. ( if you replace RUN to sudo - you can install line - by line ) https://gist.github.com/ImreSamu/5447252a4e750fd8c61e#file-dockerfile_for_install_osmium_tool good luck :) Imre 2014-08-29 16:37 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 04:12:08PM +0200, Imre Samu wrote: if I would want to compile osmium myself the README says that no files need to be build and doesn't say where osmium comes from? I have used the code and instructions from this 2 repo https://github.com/osmcode/libosmium ( osmium library ) https://github.com/osmcode/osmium-tool ( osmium command line tool ) ok, the https://github.com/osmcode/osmium-tool was the missing link. if you have a some problems with the installation, then I can create a Docker Container ( www.docker.com ) for you. hopefully not necessary.. I do not need it quickly and if I will do it will try to create all the RPM specfiles. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:08:31 +0100 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: having frequent problems today, sometimes everything works and sometimes when downloading/uploading data JOSM says Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair Thank you - that explains a lot. You're the first person to provide the actual error details and it explains why the temporary fix I managed to come up with accidentally has solved the problem. FWIW I'm seeing a different error in JOSM: WARNING: java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 401 for URL: https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/25098566/upload.; The upload succeeds if HTTP is used instead of HTTPS. -- Regards, Andy Street ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On 29/08/14 15:57, Andy Street wrote: FWIW I'm seeing a different error in JOSM: WARNING: java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 401 for URL: https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/25098566/upload.; The upload succeeds if HTTP is used instead of HTTPS. 401 is just it telling you to enter your password. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:59:07 +0100 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 29/08/14 15:57, Andy Street wrote: FWIW I'm seeing a different error in JOSM: WARNING: java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 401 for URL: https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/25098566/upload.; The upload succeeds if HTTP is used instead of HTTPS. 401 is just it telling you to enter your password. There is no password; I authenticate using oauth. The oauth token is valid if submitted as HTTP but invalid if submitted as HTTPS. -- Regards, Andy Street ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
No, it seems there's a problem with upload (authentication works fine for changeset creation): INFO: PUT https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/create... DEBUG: REQUEST: {User-Agent=[JOSM/1.5 (7459 SVN en) Windows 8.1 64-Bit Java/1.7.0_65], Connection=[close]} INFO: OK DEBUG: RESPONSE: {null=[HTTP/1.1 200 OK], X-Runtime=[0.049391], ETag=[xxx], Content-Length=[8], X-XSS-Protection=[1; mode=block], X-Request-Id=[xxx], Connection=[close], Server=[Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu)], X-Powered-By=[Phusion Passenger 4.0.50], Cache-Control=[max-age=0, private, must-revalidate], X-Content-Type-Options=[nosniff], X-Frame-Options=[SAMEORIGIN], Status=[200 OK], Date=[Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:06:11 GMT], Content-Type=[text/plain; charset=utf-8]} INFO: POST https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/25099130/upload. .. DEBUG: REQUEST: {User-Agent=[JOSM/1.5 (7459 SVN en) Windows 8.1 64-Bit Java/1.7.0_65], Connection=[close]} INFO: Unauthorized WARNING: java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 401 for URL: https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/25099130/upload. Cause: java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 401 for URL: https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/25099130/upload java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 401 for URL: https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/25099130/upload ERROR: Error body: Couldn't authenticate you DEBUG: RESPONSE: {null=[HTTP/1.1 401 Unauthorized], X-Runtime=[0.024400], WWW-Authenticate=[Basic realm=Web Password], X-XSS-Protection=[1; mode=block], X-Request-Id=[xxx], Connection=[close], Server=[Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu)], X-Powered-By=[Phusion Passenger 4.0.50], Cache-Control=[no-cache], X-Content-Type-Options=[nosniff], Status=[401 Unauthorized], X-Frame-Options=[SAMEORIGIN], Transfer-Encoding=[chunked], Date=[Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:06:11 GMT], Content-Type=[text/html; charset=utf-8]} 2014-08-29 16:59 GMT+02:00 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: On 29/08/14 15:57, Andy Street wrote: FWIW I'm seeing a different error in JOSM: WARNING: java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 401 for URL: https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/25098566/upload.; The upload succeeds if HTTP is used instead of HTTPS. 401 is just it telling you to enter your password. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On 29/08/14 16:11, Andy Street wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:59:07 +0100 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 29/08/14 15:57, Andy Street wrote: FWIW I'm seeing a different error in JOSM: WARNING: java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 401 for URL: https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/25098566/upload.; The upload succeeds if HTTP is used instead of HTTPS. 401 is just it telling you to enter your password. There is no password; I authenticate using oauth. The oauth token is valid if submitted as HTTP but invalid if submitted as HTTPS. Yes I think you have found the reason why https requests were being forwarded to the backend as https - because otherwise the oauth validation fails on the backend. The problem is that apache 2.4 seems to be throwing random 400 errors when requests are forwarded over https. I'm going to reenable https forwarding for now, as random 400 errors are better than some people not being able to upload at all. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
@Andy Nobody is disputing in the slightest that OSM users should have easy access to related data, in this case an easy way to access wikidata. It is all about the how. In particular it is not about the multitude of other wikidata tags which may or may not survive the test of time, it is just about the wikidata tag which is supposed to provide a one to one mapping between OSM representation of a real world object (which might be multiple individual OSM elements) and the wikidata entry for the same. On first principles such matches should not be all to difficult to start with (given that there should be a common name and location both potentially with some fuzziness). Regardless of if the data is imported in to OSM or not there should be no larger issues mechanically matching the data outside of - data missing in one of the two sources - errors To use one of your examples were you claim that manual intervention is required: a name that has a so common spelling that it is used in that form in wikidata, clearly should have that spelling in OSM proper too (and we have more than enough name tag variants to cater for that). As has already been pointed out: the whole effort cannot be about moving information that belongs in OSM to the database of a completely separate project with different goals and structures. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
On 29 August 2014 01:25, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: assuming here that you will have linked information about the wikidata object to base your judgement on, besides the cryptic reference number, stuff like a name or the kind of object Once Wikidata tags are more widley deployed (such as by the propposal at hand), I expect editing tools to start fetching and displaying related labels, in the user's preferred language(s). -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
On 29 August 2014 16:33, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: To use one of your examples were you claim that manual intervention is required: a name that has a so common spelling that it is used in that form in wikidata, clearly should have that spelling in OSM proper too St John's St John's Church St John's Parish Church Saint John's Saint John's Church Saint John's Parish Church Church of St John Church of Saint John etc. etc. We can't account for every possible permutation. As has already been pointed out: the whole effort cannot be about moving information that belongs in OSM to the database of a completely separate project with different goals and structures. Indeed. Who has suggested it should be? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
Hi All, Lets just step back and reflect on this for a minute. I have reviewed the replies on this mailing list and there are a mixture of supportive comments, a few negatives and the remainder may suggest something but are neither negative or positive. Lets look at the issues raised: 1. Licence compatibility Resolved in [1] 2. Accuracy of what's in Wikidata Remember it has to also match something in OSM. The tag enables people to use wikidata to enhance their maps but this remains optional. 3. Keeping it up to date An API rather than an import was suggested but this would not work with existing tools (e.g Overpass) and we are adding wikidata tags to OSM anyway. When ways are split in OSM mappers already have to deal with existing tags - I don't see how this would be any different. Very few imports have a good strategy to keep them up to date (this doesn't mean that we should continue to turn a blind eye - just that we need to be fair to Edward's hard work) 4. Bridges identified as a problem case Suggest not automating bridges. 5. OSM vs Wikidata/Wikimedia Commons It will surely not call people to contribute in OSM but rather directly in wikidata ! On this last point we need to focus on what is best for OSM now and not cloud our vision with any historic matters between OSM and Wikimedia Commons. Our strategy is to: create and distribute free geographic data ... because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways To me there are a few things that stand out: * Create and distribute - We aim to build our contibutor base and grow our user base. Working with the wikidata team will show that we are an open community. * Geographic data - there are some parts that just don't suit OSM's model (we even have a maximum character limit on tags), linking to wikidata would help in this regard. * Restrictions - We have our own restrictions (verifiable on the ground, not changing to frequently) in OSM. A link to wikidata allows us to continue with these restrictions but still allow people to get at interesting non-geographic data. * Unexpected ways - Links to wikidata open up a wealth of rich data allowing new innovative ideas. In my mind this is a good move and should be supported. Point 3 above could be resolved by running the script regularly to see if there are any new matches. There have also been some good suggestions on this list such as a KeepRight style (i.e. QA) map where problematic objects (e.g. script finds more than one match) can be manually reviewed, confirming whether the script conflicts with any existing wikidata tags in OSM, checking whether the script would add a wikidata tag to an object when there is already a different object in OSM with that wikidata tag, and a check on the 400m distance rule [2]. Are these things possible Edward? Regards, Rob [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-August/070634.html [2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-August/070667.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
Rob Nickerson rob.j.nickerson at gmail.com writes: Hi All, Lets just step back and reflect on this for a minute. I have reviewed the replies on this mailing list and there are a mixture of supportive comments, a few negatives and the remainder may suggest something but are neither negative or positive. Lets look at the issues raised: 1. Licence compatibility Resolved in [1] 2. Accuracy of what's in Wikidata Remember it has to also match something in OSM. The tag enables people to use wikidata to enhance their maps but this remains optional. 3. Keeping it up to date An API rather than an import was suggested but this would not work with existing tools (e.g Overpass) and we are adding wikidata tags to OSM anyway. When ways are split in OSM mappers already have to deal with existing tags - I don't see how this would be any different. Very few imports have a good strategy to keep them up to date (this doesn't mean that we should continue to turn a blind eye - just that we need to be fair to Edward's hard work) 4. Bridges identified as a problem case Suggest not automating bridges. 5. OSM vs Wikidata/Wikimedia CommonsIt will surely not call people to contribute in OSM but rather directly in wikidata ! On this last point we need to focus on what is best for OSM now and not cloud our vision with any historic matters between OSM and Wikimedia Commons. Our strategy is to:create and distribute free geographic data ... because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways To me there are a few things that stand out: * Create and distribute - We aim to build our contibutor base and grow our user base. Working with the wikidata team will show that we are an open community. * Geographic data - there are some parts that just don't suit OSM's model (we even have a maximum character limit on tags), linking to wikidata would help in this regard. * Restrictions - We have our own restrictions (verifiable on the ground, not changing to frequently) in OSM. A link to wikidata allows us to continue with these restrictions but still allow people to get at interesting non-geographic data. * Unexpected ways - Links to wikidata open up a wealth of rich data allowing new innovative ideas. In my mind this is a good move and should be supported. Point 3 above could be resolved by running the script regularly to see if there are any new matches. There have also been some good suggestions on this list such as a KeepRight style (i.e. QA) map where problematic objects (e.g. script finds more than one match) can be manually reviewed, confirming whether the script conflicts with any existing wikidata tags in OSM, checking whether the script would add a wikidata tag to an object when there is already a different object in OSM with that wikidata tag, and a check on the 400m distance rule [2]. Are these things possible Edward? Regards, Rob Agreed. Thank you Edward for your good work. A few more points: This isn’t a deletionists’ charter and we shouldn’t rush to unload any tagging onto Wikidata without discussing the removal very carefully. Is there any scope for a Maproulette or similar style challenge to fill in matches that are too doubtful to import directly (such as slightly longer distances or mismatched names, but otherwise good), perhaps? You can’t do this with an API of course. As a British mapper I see no reason to exclude my own country from the import. -- Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
Andrew Guertin andrew.guer...@uvm.edu wrote: On 08/27/2014 12:47 PM, Edward Betts wrote: I'd like to annotate these 70k objects in OSM with a Wikidata tag automatically. I like the sound of this. Personally, I think it adds value, and having looked at the code your matching criteria sound good. Thanks! There are a couple of things it would make me happy to see before you go through with this: 1: Elsewhere in this thread it was mentioned that there are 22000 wikidata ids in OSM currently. Are there any objects which currently have a wikidata id that your code would assign a different id to? Similarly, are there any instances where your code would assign a wikidata id to something and a different object in OSM already has that wikidata id? I haven't checked for either of these conditions. These are both good points and I'll investigate. 2: You mention elsewhere in this thread that the maximum distance difference between the wikidata location and the osm object is 400 meters. How was this number arrived at? Could you make a list of matches including and sorted by the distance difference for people to look at? I think it's worth it for interested people to be able to independently verify at what distance the accuracy declines and what a good cutoff is. I don't have any basis for picking 400 meters, I just needed a number and that one seemed reasonable. It might be good to also include in that list what type of feature something is. If you're comparing using centroids, more leniency might be in order for, e.g., a large lake than a small building. This is also a good point. I tried using the overpass 'is_in' command, but I don't understand overpass areas. -- Edward. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 04:39:27PM +0200, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 29/08/2014 16:32, Richard Z. wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 03:25:02PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:20, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 29/08/2014 16:14, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:08, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair it seems that there is no client side fix (other than upgrading to Java 7 or later). Ok - upgrading to Java 7 fixed the problem for me, thanks ! Well - it is not like JOSM had not been warning me for ages that staying with Java 6 was going to cause problems... I have neither Java 6 nor 7 but java-1.7.0-openjdk. Latest JOSM is happy with it so I assumed it is pretty much Java 7 but maybe there are differences between various Java 7 versions and only some of them support the longer keys - which would explain the discrepancies between the FAQ and what various people are seeing. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 02:22:10PM +0200, Imre Samu wrote: Hi Imre, I have got one problem, some of the queries with most bridges do not load into JOSM. Josm says contacting the server and thats all. When I share the query the shorturl looks like the one bellow so it seems to be somehow an issue at http://overpass-turbo.eu/ ?
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote: I'd like to annotate these 70k objects in OSM with a Wikidata tag automatically. +1. As somebody who would like closer integration between Wikimedia projects like Wikidata and OSM, I definitely agree with the proposal. The methodology, as explained, is quite conservative and I checked a few matches in my country and they are all good. As suggested by someone, maybe bridges should be excluded for now because of the split ways problem. Does anybody have a strong preference that the edits are split up by region, or loaded in batches? Splitting the edits by region/country would be really preferable so that we mostly avoid the large changesets problem for this annotation task. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script
I have got one problem, some of the queries with most bridges do not load into JOSM. Josm says contacting the server and thats all. strange ... :( maybe timeout when generate JOSM data? but you can optimize the query some tips: *#1. if you know wich country - replace the global keyword in the query to the precise territory filter ..* ( see Location Filters in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_turbo/Wizard ) global -in USA global -in Vienna global- in Netherlands *#2. You can split the big query-s - to smaller ones ..* from this big query type:way and ( id:105807680 or id:128093288 or id:135527140 or id:140757611 or id:158593665 or id:158608739 or id:158608747 or id:162817769 or id:162988896 or id:163435617 or id:163451937 or id:163640424 or id:186555649 or id:186667441 or id:190721707 or id:193652513 or id:196184968 or id:199818438 or id:242264939 or id:245514123 or id:268020828 or id:300530708 or id:42712814 or id:50483896 or id:51513287 or id:51831532 or id:52209220 or id:59430361 or id:88300946 or id:88863770 or id:99211716 ) global you can manually create 4 sub - query and you have to run 4 times. -1) type:way and ( id:105807680 or id:128093288 or id:135527140 or id:140757611 or id:158593665 or id:158608739 or id:158608747 ) global -2) type:way and ( id:162817769 or id:162988896 or id:163435617 or id:163451937 or id:163640424 or id:186555649 or id:186667441 or id:190721707 ) global -3) type:way and ( id:193652513 or id:196184968 or id:199818438 or id:242264939 or id:245514123 or id:268020828 or id:300530708 or id:42712814 ) global -4) type:way and ( id:50483896 or id:51513287 or id:51831532 or id:52209220 or id:59430361 or id:88300946 or id:88863770 or id:99211716 ) global *Other solution -Filter in JOSM* * JOSM File / Open location : http://www.overpass-api.de/api/xapi_meta?way[bridge=swing] * and after open the Filter menu ( Windows→Filter from the menu, or Alt+Shift+F from the keyboard) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Search_function https://www.mapbox.com/blog/2012-08-15-using-filters-josm/ * and copy the query ( without the global keyword ( ..maybe... ) ) but I am not perfect in JOSM ... so if you find th correct JOSM filtering please share with me ... :) Imre 2014-08-29 23:24 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 02:22:10PM +0200, Imre Samu wrote: Hi Imre, I have got one problem, some of the queries with most bridges do not load into JOSM. Josm says contacting the server and thats all. When I share the query the shorturl looks like the one bellow so it seems to be somehow an issue at http://overpass-turbo.eu/ ?
[Talk-de] dev.openstreetmap.de
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[Talk-it] Sentieri da percorrere a piedi E a cavallo
Salve a tutti, sto aggiornando la zona dei sentieri sulle colline livornesi ed è tutto ok se uso delle relazioni route=hiking [2]. I sentieri vengono correttamente mostrati come percorribili a piedi [1]. Ma se il sentiero è percorribile anche a cavallo e in MB è possibile taggare la relazione in una maniera particolare ? Oppure devo andare verso le super-relations ? A presto -- FabC [1] http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/it/?zoom=15lat=43.50218lon=10.38196hill=0.49base=0.51route=0.91#pref [2] http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeRelation?relationId=3963704_noCache=on# [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route#Multiple_routes_share_the_same_path -- *Fabrizio* ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro Arafo
Buenas, He estado una temporada desconectado por lo que no sé si se habló algún tema al respecto. Simplemente viendo un poco los resultados (que están muy bien) me surge una pregunta, por qué algunas casas tienen el número de portal en la línea de la geometría en un nodo y otras en los tags área? [1] Creo que se estuvo comentando que dado que un edificio puede tener varios portales y estos incluso pueden ser de distintas calles, que lo mejor era poner la dirección en un nodo en la geometría (como están la mayoría de los edificios que veo). Por lo demás, me parece que está todo perfecto y más si eres conocedor de la zona. Saludos [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/28.33826/-16.41726 El 28 de agosto de 2014, 21:10, Javier Sánchez javiers...@gmail.com escribió: Hola He realizado la primera subida de masas urbanas en el municipio de Arafo. He anotado los cambios aquí: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Arafo http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spanish_Cadastre/results/Sctenerife Se agradecen comentarios, sugerencias, críticas... ¿Cómo se va ha hacer lo de la comprobación cruzada por dos mapeadores? ¿A nivel de masas, de municipios completos? ¿Alguien quiere intercambiar validaciones de subidas conmigo? Un saludo, Javier. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Ander Pijoan Lamas Research Assistant, Deustotech Computer Science Engineer University of Deusto E-mail: ander.pij...@deusto.es Phone: +34 664471228 in: http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=162888312 ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro Arafo
Hola Ander Estoy de acuerdo en que el número de portal debe estar en un nodo mejor que en la parcela. El resultado del programa los tiene en las parcelas y no en los nodos y estoy pasándolos a mano al nodo más cercano con entrance=yes y de acuerdo a la calle que corresponda. Esto es laborioso y estaría bien modificar el programa para que ya salga en los nodos. El motivo de que no lo haya hecho con todas las parcelas es que sólo lo estoy haciendo si en la parcela hay un nodo con entrance=yes. Hay parcelas en las que el programa no está generando ningún nodo con esa etiqueta y por tanto añadirlo a mano supondría tener que tomar una decisión sobre donde ponerlo. En estos casos he optado por dejar el número de portal en la parcela para no complicarme. Si te parece mejor podría añadir el nodo a mano. De hecho, muchas veces en la imagen de fondo de Catastro aparece el número y lo lógico sería añadir un nodo cerca. Sin embargo, en otras ocasiones ni siquiera la imagen de Catastro muestra el número de portal. Saludos, Javier El 29 de agosto de 2014, 10:16, Ander Pijoan ander.pij...@deusto.es escribió: Buenas, He estado una temporada desconectado por lo que no sé si se habló algún tema al respecto. Simplemente viendo un poco los resultados (que están muy bien) me surge una pregunta, por qué algunas casas tienen el número de portal en la línea de la geometría en un nodo y otras en los tags área? [1] Creo que se estuvo comentando que dado que un edificio puede tener varios portales y estos incluso pueden ser de distintas calles, que lo mejor era poner la dirección en un nodo en la geometría (como están la mayoría de los edificios que veo). Por lo demás, me parece que está todo perfecto y más si eres conocedor de la zona. Saludos [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/28.33826/-16.41726 El 28 de agosto de 2014, 21:10, Javier Sánchez javiers...@gmail.com escribió: Hola He realizado la primera subida de masas urbanas en el municipio de Arafo. He anotado los cambios aquí: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Arafo http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spanish_Cadastre/results/Sctenerife Se agradecen comentarios, sugerencias, críticas... ¿Cómo se va ha hacer lo de la comprobación cruzada por dos mapeadores? ¿A nivel de masas, de municipios completos? ¿Alguien quiere intercambiar validaciones de subidas conmigo? Un saludo, Javier. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Ander Pijoan Lamas Research Assistant, Deustotech Computer Science Engineer University of Deusto E-mail: ander.pij...@deusto.es Phone: +34 664471228 in: http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=162888312 ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-es] Normalización poblaciones
Hola Revisando la normalización de los núcleos de población[1] me ha surgido la duda de si cuando dice en las ciudades grandes las 21 otras ciudades de más de 100.000 habitantes se refiere a la población de todo el municipio o sólo a la de su capital. Para asegurarme he consultado el INE[2] y me sale que con cualquiera de los dos criterios hay ciudades nuevas a añadir. Si sólo consideramos la población de la capital del municipio estarían Torrevieja y Barakaldo. Si consideramos la población de todo el municipio además estarían Marbella, Cartagena, Telde, San Cristóbal de La Laguna y Dos Hermanas. ¿Qué criterio os parece el correcto? Yo voto por considerar sólo la población de la ciudad, no la de todo el municipio, me parece más lógico. Lo mismo se aplicaría a town y a village. Los datos de los listados son de 2010, con los de 2013 surgen más cambios que estoy elaborando. Saludos, Javier. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Normalizaci%C3%B3n#N.C3.BAcleos_de_poblaci.C3.B3n [2] http://www.ine.es/nomen2/ ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro Arafo
Al final me da la sensación que lo mejor va a hacer poner un parámetro de entrada con 2 valores (como está y todas las direcciones en el entrance=yes) visto que no se termina de llegar a un consenso sobre el tema. Hola Ander Estoy de acuerdo en que el número de portal debe estar en un nodo mejor que en la parcela. El resultado del programa los tiene en las parcelas y no en los nodos y estoy pasándolos a mano al nodo más cercano con entrance=yes y de acuerdo a la calle que corresponda. Esto es laborioso y estaría bien modificar el programa para que ya salga en los nodos. El motivo de que no lo haya hecho con todas las parcelas es que sólo lo estoy haciendo si en la parcela hay un nodo con entrance=yes. Hay parcelas en las que el programa no está generando ningún nodo con esa etiqueta y por tanto añadirlo a mano supondría tener que tomar una decisión sobre donde ponerlo. En estos casos he optado por dejar el número de portal en la parcela para no complicarme. Si te parece mejor podría añadir el nodo a mano. De hecho, muchas veces en la imagen de fondo de Catastro aparece el número y lo lógico sería añadir un nodo cerca. Sin embargo, en otras ocasiones ni siquiera la imagen de Catastro muestra el número de portal. Saludos, Javier -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro Arafo
Hola, Comentar un par de cosas: - Veo que se han mantenido las etiquetas catastro:ref. Tenía entendido que no tenían ninguna utilidad para OSM y que lo mejor era eliminarlas. Es correcto? - Si se eliminan las ref:catastro, entonces tenemos muchos polígonos que coinciden en todas sus etiquetas (básicamente 3: landuse=residential, source=catastro y source_date: la que sea). Es mejor unir esos polígonos generando un solo landuse, o es mejor mantener esas pequeñas áreas landuse aunque tengan exactamente las mismas etiquetas y valores? Un saludo! (y gran trabajo!) 2014-08-29 12:52 GMT+02:00 Javier Sánchez javiers...@gmail.com: Hola Ander Estoy de acuerdo en que el número de portal debe estar en un nodo mejor que en la parcela. El resultado del programa los tiene en las parcelas y no en los nodos y estoy pasándolos a mano al nodo más cercano con entrance=yes y de acuerdo a la calle que corresponda. Esto es laborioso y estaría bien modificar el programa para que ya salga en los nodos. El motivo de que no lo haya hecho con todas las parcelas es que sólo lo estoy haciendo si en la parcela hay un nodo con entrance=yes. Hay parcelas en las que el programa no está generando ningún nodo con esa etiqueta y por tanto añadirlo a mano supondría tener que tomar una decisión sobre donde ponerlo. En estos casos he optado por dejar el número de portal en la parcela para no complicarme. Si te parece mejor podría añadir el nodo a mano. De hecho, muchas veces en la imagen de fondo de Catastro aparece el número y lo lógico sería añadir un nodo cerca. Sin embargo, en otras ocasiones ni siquiera la imagen de Catastro muestra el número de portal. Saludos, Javier El 29 de agosto de 2014, 10:16, Ander Pijoan ander.pij...@deusto.es escribió: Buenas, He estado una temporada desconectado por lo que no sé si se habló algún tema al respecto. Simplemente viendo un poco los resultados (que están muy bien) me surge una pregunta, por qué algunas casas tienen el número de portal en la línea de la geometría en un nodo y otras en los tags área? [1] Creo que se estuvo comentando que dado que un edificio puede tener varios portales y estos incluso pueden ser de distintas calles, que lo mejor era poner la dirección en un nodo en la geometría (como están la mayoría de los edificios que veo). Por lo demás, me parece que está todo perfecto y más si eres conocedor de la zona. Saludos -- *KONFRARE ALBERT* La Konfraria de la Vila del Pingüí de La Palma de Cervelló www.konfraria.org • @La_Konfraria http://twitter.com/La_Konfraria ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Subida de catastro en la Palma de C. y dudas
Muchas gracias por tu respuesta Jesús, sin embargo hay algunas cosas que no me quedan claras.. Intento evitar el etiquetado por interpolación. Es una cuestión de precisión en las búsquedas. Ya que me pongo a añadir direcciones, lo hago de la forma más precisa que conozco. Entonce si un edificio tiene por número 43-49, lo etiquetarias como addr:housenumber=43,46,49? Un nodo único para cada edificio, ya que un edificio puede tener varios locales comerciales, por ejemplo. Sí, eso lo tengo claro. Mi duda es si ponéis el comercio en un nodo del edificio con la etiqueta entrance=yes o dejáis el nodo suelto. Un saludo! -- *KONFRARE ALBERT* La Konfraria de la Vila del Pingüí de La Palma de Cervelló www.konfraria.org • @La_Konfraria http://twitter.com/La_Konfraria ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro Arafo
- Veo que se han mantenido las etiquetas catastro:ref. Tenía entendido que no tenían ninguna utilidad para OSM y que lo mejor era eliminarlas. Es correcto? Yo votaría por mantener por lo menos catastro:ref para hacer más fácil las herramientas de actualización. - Si se eliminan las ref:catastro, entonces tenemos muchos polígonos que coinciden en todas sus etiquetas (básicamente 3: landuse=residential, source=catastro y source_date: la que sea). Es mejor unir esos polígonos generando un solo landuse, o es mejor mantener esas pequeñas áreas landuse aunque tengan exactamente las mismas etiquetas y valores? Si son parcelas distintas, con ALTÍSIMA probabilidad tendrán un muro (o equivalente) separándolas por lo que yo creo que lo mejor es dejarlo (por si alguien quiere entretenerse poniendo los barrier=wall [1]. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dwall -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro Arafo
que coinciden en todas sus etiquetas (básicamente 3: landuse=residential, source=catastro y source_date: la que sea). Es mejor unir esos polígonos generando un solo landuse, o es mejor mantener esas pequeñas áreas landuse aunque tengan exactamente las mismas etiquetas y valores? Si son parcelas distintas, con ALTÍSIMA probabilidad tendrán un muro (o equivalente) separándolas por lo que yo creo que lo mejor es dejarlo (por si alguien quiere entretenerse poniendo los barrier=wall [1]. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dwall JOJOJO, más a mi favor. Resulta que los franceses cuando importaron el catastro las dejaron e incluso pusieron un wall=no donde no había muro XD Menudos sobrados. -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Subida de catastro en la Palma de C. y dudas
Entonce si un edificio tiene por número 43-49, lo etiquetarias como addr:housenumber=43,46,49? Yo en este caso pondría la dirección en el nodo con el entrance=yes (en cada nodo la dirección que le corresponde). Si la misma entrada tiene todos los números (yo esto no lo he visto nunca :S) entonces si que se la pondría al edificio. Sí, eso lo tengo claro. Mi duda es si ponéis el comercio en un nodo del edificio con la etiqueta entrance=yes o dejáis el nodo suelto. NONO, pones la información del comercio en el nodo con entrance=yes y luego lo añades a la geometría del edificio en donde esté la entrada. -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Normalización poblaciones
En el caso de mi ciudad Orihuela, la diferencia es bastante exagerada. Aunque casualmente aún se quedaría en la misma categoría, la población del municipio completo supera los 90.000 habitantes, mientras que la población de la ciudad en sí ronda los 30.000, estando los otros 60.000 habitantes repartidos en pedanías rurales y en la costa, y para colmo a unos 30 km alrededor, es decir, que ni siquiera son áreas cercanas en un mapa. Hay otra ciudades como Lorca con mucho territorio rural donde les puede pasar algo parecido. Aunque me duela por quitarle importancia a mi pueblo, creo que se debería tener en cuenta la población de cada núcleo urbano, y no la de todo el municipio. El 29 de agosto de 2014, 12:55, Javier Sánchez javiers...@gmail.com escribió: Hola Revisando la normalización de los núcleos de población[1] me ha surgido la duda de si cuando dice en las ciudades grandes las 21 otras ciudades de más de 100.000 habitantes se refiere a la población de todo el municipio o sólo a la de su capital. Para asegurarme he consultado el INE[2] y me sale que con cualquiera de los dos criterios hay ciudades nuevas a añadir. Si sólo consideramos la población de la capital del municipio estarían Torrevieja y Barakaldo. Si consideramos la población de todo el municipio además estarían Marbella, Cartagena, Telde, San Cristóbal de La Laguna y Dos Hermanas. ¿Qué criterio os parece el correcto? Yo voto por considerar sólo la población de la ciudad, no la de todo el municipio, me parece más lógico. Lo mismo se aplicaría a town y a village. Los datos de los listados son de 2010, con los de 2013 surgen más cambios que estoy elaborando. Saludos, Javier. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Normalizaci%C3%B3n#N.C3.BAcleos_de_poblaci.C3.B3n [2] http://www.ine.es/nomen2/ ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Subida de catastro en la Palma de C. y dudas
Hola Cruz, Entonce si un edificio tiene por número 43-49, lo etiquetarias como addr:housenumber=43,46,49? Yo en este caso pondría la dirección en el nodo con el entrance=yes (en cada nodo la dirección que le corresponde). Si la misma entrada tiene todos los números (yo esto no lo he visto nunca :S) entonces si que se la pondría al edificio. Concretamente me refería a ésto: https://www.google.es/maps/@41.412323,1.968939,3a,75y,210.15h,81.29t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1scgSt_N9Wt76p4JHvO5qR4w!2e0?hl=ca Ahora lo he dejado como addr:housenumber=43,49 y addr:interpolation:odd http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3024685510 Entiendo que esto último le sobra? Sí, eso lo tengo claro. Mi duda es si ponéis el comercio en un nodo del edificio con la etiqueta entrance=yes o dejáis el nodo suelto. NONO, pones la información del comercio en el nodo con entrance=yes y luego lo añades a la geometría del edificio en donde esté la entrada. Vendría a ser algo así? (bueno, no es un comercio, pero sirve como ejemplo) http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2367339563 La situación real: https://www.google.es/maps/@41.413192,1.965751,3a,90y,175.51h,77.77t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1se_R9ShbCUtTv9m0zc5dMZA!2e0?hl=ca Gracias y un saludo! -- *KONFRARE ALBERT* La Konfraria de la Vila del Pingüí de La Palma de Cervelló www.konfraria.org • @La_Konfraria http://twitter.com/La_Konfraria ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro Arafo
Hola Hola Javier. Como siempre, estupendo trabajo. Aprovecho tu entrada para preguntar alguna cosilla. En el tipico caso de una vivienda unifamiliar, casa adosada o similar, no sería mejor utilizar building=house ó detached (no entiendo muy bien la diferencia entre estas dos) que building=residential?. Entiendo que residential es algo más generico y que no está mal el resultado que se obtiene con cat2osm2, pero en el proceso de edición podemos afinar mejor eso ¿no?. Y en el tema de los números de policia, cada vez que iniciamos un hilo de este tipo, no me acabo de aclarar. El otro día inicie un hilo con este particular [1] y me parecio entender otra cosa, que cuando se trata de una casa unifamiliar sin duda en cuanto a la entrada, lo mejor era poner la dirección en el área del edificio, no en el nodo de entrada?? En cuanto a la ref:catastro yo las he ido borrando, según me comentaron el otro día, pero ahora no se que hacer.. [1] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Correcto-etiquetado-resultados-de-Catastro-Addr-housenumber-td5814425.html Saludos Catastrales :)) El 29 de agosto de 2014, 13:15, Cruz Enrique Borges cruz.bor...@deusto.es escribió: que coinciden en todas sus etiquetas (básicamente 3: landuse=residential, source=catastro y source_date: la que sea). Es mejor unir esos polígonos generando un solo landuse, o es mejor mantener esas pequeñas áreas landuse aunque tengan exactamente las mismas etiquetas y valores? Si son parcelas distintas, con ALTÍSIMA probabilidad tendrán un muro (o equivalente) separándolas por lo que yo creo que lo mejor es dejarlo (por si alguien quiere entretenerse poniendo los barrier=wall [1]. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dwall JOJOJO, más a mi favor. Resulta que los franceses cuando importaron el catastro las dejaron e incluso pusieron un wall=no donde no había muro XD Menudos sobrados. -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro Arafo
Y en el tema de los números de policia, cada vez que iniciamos un hilo de este tipo, no me acabo de aclarar. El otro día inicie un hilo con este particular [1] y me parecio entender otra cosa, que cuando se trata de una casa unifamiliar sin duda en cuanto a la entrada, lo mejor era poner la dirección en el área del edificio, no en el nodo de entrada?? Exacto, a) casas y edificios con una sola dirección - la información en el polígono. b) edificios con más de una dirección/portal - en el nodo entrance=yes Me queda la duda de que sería lo ideal en el caso c) edificios con una sola dirección pero múltiples comercios. Yo creo que lo ideal es que la dirección del edificio esté en el polígono y la de los comercios en el nodo con entrance=yes. El caso con edificio con varias direcciones y comercios sería equivalente al caso b). Obviamente, cuando se haga indoor mapping [1] siempre estaríamos en el caso a) :P [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_Mapping PD: esto no está documentado en la wiki?¿?¿? En cuanto a la ref:catastro yo las he ido borrando, según me comentaron el otro día, pero ahora no se que hacer.. [1] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Correcto-etiquetado-resultados-de-Catastro -Addr-housenumber-td5814425.html Saludos Catastrales :)) El 29 de agosto de 2014, 13:15, Cruz Enrique Borges cruz.bor...@deusto.es escribió: que coinciden en todas sus etiquetas (básicamente 3: landuse=residential, source=catastro y source_date: la que sea). Es mejor unir esos polígonos generando un solo landuse, o es mejor mantener esas pequeñas áreas landuse aunque tengan exactamente las mismas etiquetas y valores? Si son parcelas distintas, con ALTÍSIMA probabilidad tendrán un muro (o equivalente) separándolas por lo que yo creo que lo mejor es dejarlo (por si alguien quiere entretenerse poniendo los barrier=wall [1]. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dwall JOJOJO, más a mi favor. Resulta que los franceses cuando importaron el catastro las dejaron e incluso pusieron un wall=no donde no había muro XD Menudos sobrados. -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro Arafo
Y no es más fácil hacerlo siempre igual (b). Saludos El 29/08/2014 19:12, Cruz Enrique Borges cruz.bor...@deusto.es escribió: Y en el tema de los números de policia, cada vez que iniciamos un hilo de este tipo, no me acabo de aclarar. El otro día inicie un hilo con este particular [1] y me parecio entender otra cosa, que cuando se trata de una casa unifamiliar sin duda en cuanto a la entrada, lo mejor era poner la dirección en el área del edificio, no en el nodo de entrada?? Exacto, a) casas y edificios con una sola dirección - la información en el polígono. b) edificios con más de una dirección/portal - en el nodo entrance=yes Me queda la duda de que sería lo ideal en el caso c) edificios con una sola dirección pero múltiples comercios. Yo creo que lo ideal es que la dirección del edificio esté en el polígono y la de los comercios en el nodo con entrance=yes. El caso con edificio con varias direcciones y comercios sería equivalente al caso b). Obviamente, cuando se haga indoor mapping [1] siempre estaríamos en el caso a) :P [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_Mapping PD: esto no está documentado en la wiki?¿?¿? En cuanto a la ref:catastro yo las he ido borrando, según me comentaron el otro día, pero ahora no se que hacer.. [1] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Correcto-etiquetado-resultados-de-Catastro -Addr-housenumber-td5814425.html Saludos Catastrales :)) El 29 de agosto de 2014, 13:15, Cruz Enrique Borges cruz.bor...@deusto.es escribió: que coinciden en todas sus etiquetas (básicamente 3: landuse=residential, source=catastro y source_date: la que sea). Es mejor unir esos polígonos generando un solo landuse, o es mejor mantener esas pequeñas áreas landuse aunque tengan exactamente las mismas etiquetas y valores? Si son parcelas distintas, con ALTÍSIMA probabilidad tendrán un muro (o equivalente) separándolas por lo que yo creo que lo mejor es dejarlo (por si alguien quiere entretenerse poniendo los barrier=wall [1]. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dwall JOJOJO, más a mi favor. Resulta que los franceses cuando importaron el catastro las dejaron e incluso pusieron un wall=no donde no había muro XD Menudos sobrados. -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Subida de catastro en la Palma de C. y dudas
Concretamente me refería a ésto: https://www.google.es/maps/@41.412323,1.968939,3a,75y,210.15h,81.29t/data =!3m4!1e1!3m2!1scgSt_N9Wt76p4JHvO5qR4w!2e0?hl=ca Ahora lo he dejado como addr:housenumber=43,49 y addr:interpolation:odd http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3024685510 Entiendo que esto último le sobra? Yo creo que el interpolation sobra. De todas formas, SOLO tiene el 43 y el 49 o tiene también el 45 y el 47? En el addr:housenumber=43,49 deberían estar todos los números. Vendría a ser algo así? (bueno, no es un comercio, pero sirve como ejemplo) http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2367339563 La situación real: https://www.google.es/maps/@41.413192,1.965751,3a,90y,175.51h,77.77t/data =!3m4!1e1!3m2!1se_R9ShbCUtTv9m0zc5dMZA!2e0?hl=ca Ummm, en este caso me queda la duda de qué es mejor, si poner ambos en el nodo como está o poner la dirección del edificio en el polígono... -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro Arafo
Y no es más fácil hacerlo siempre igual (b). Más fácil es SEGURO, pero no necesariamente más correcto. La dirección es una propiedad del polígono de la parcela, no de la entrada de un edificio. En zonas urbanas, parcela y edificio coincidirán en un número muy elevado de casos, pero en zonas rústicas, la entrada a la parcela puede estar en un lado, dentro tener varios edificios (con sus entrance=yes correspondientes) y cosas más esotéricas. -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-at] Karte zur Gebäudeabdeckung in Österreich / JOSM Areaselector
Das plugin ist mir schon vor kurzem aufgefallen und ich hab einige Gebäude in NÖ damit erfasst. Folgende SAchen sind mir aufgefallen: * Wie Stefan schon erwähnt hat, fehlen die Umrandungen. Gebäude werden daher zu klein und müssen händisch nachkorrigiert werden. * knapp darauf folgend, müssen natürlich alle Gebäude die Wand an Wand stehen auch händisch verbunden werden. * JPEG Kompressionsartefakte führen manchmal dazu dass kleine Wirbel aus 4-8 Nodes entstehen, die lästige Nachkorrektur erfordern. In seiner aktuellen Form bringt mir das Plugin noch keine wirkliche Ersparnis, gegenüber einer rein manuellen Erfassung, aber ein Ausmerzen der Problemstellen könnte die Situation rasch zum Besseren wenden! Bitte halte uns am Laufenden! MfG David On 2014-08-28 21:53, Paul Woelfel wrote: Hallo, Passend zur Grbäudeabdeckung hab ich mit Unterstützung von Tom ein Tool erstellt, welches es leichter macht Gebäude aus basemap.at http://basemap.at Bildern zu mappen. Das Plugin für JOSM nennt sich Areaselector und is auch in den normalen Josm Plugins gelistet. Quellcode und ist unter https://github.com/JOSM/JOSM-areaselector zu finden. Zum mappen eines Gebäudes muss man nur den Bereich des Gebäudes anklicken und es werden automatisch die Grenzen erkannt und ein Polygon gezeichnet. Ein Tagging Dialog, welcher sich die letzten Werte merkt, wird danach automatisch angezeigt. Mir is klar, dass die basemap Daten nicht immer hundertprozentig richtig ist, aber ich denke als Basis mal nicht schlecht. Ich würde mich auch über Feedback oder Codebeiträge freuen! Mit freundlichen Grüßen Dipl.-Ing. Paul Wölfel Email paul.woel...@gmail.com mailto:paul.woel...@gmail.com Tel. +43 664 88 499 513 Lindengasse 31/1/11 1070 Wien Austria Am 28.08.2014 21:37 schrieb Markus Straub markus.straub...@gmail.com mailto:markus.straub...@gmail.com: Wow, gratuliere, die Karte ist wirklich wunderschön geworden! Gibt nichts zu meckern, einfach tolle Arbeit. LG, Markus 2014-08-26 8:24 GMT+02:00 Thomas Konrad tkon...@gmx.net mailto:tkon...@gmx.net: Hallo, ich habe vor kurzem eine Karte erstellt, die die Gebäudeabdeckung in Österreich zeigt: http://thomaskonrad.at/2014/08/analyse-der-openstreetmap-gebaudeabdeckung-in-osterreich/ Die Karte soll als Analysewerkzeug und Motivation dienen, die Situation in Österreich zu verbessern :) Ganz unten im Artikel gibt es technische Infos, wie ich die Karte erstellt habe. Ich freue mich über Feedback! Liebe Grüße Tom ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Karte zur Gebäudeabdeckung in Österreich / JOSM Areaselector
Hallo, da ich noch nicht so lang mit OSM arbeite hätte ich dazu gleich eine Frage: Wie kann ich im JOSM Objekte an eindander snappen? Wenn ich weiß, wie man es im JOSM manuell machen kann, find ich auch den Code um dies zu automatisieren. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Dipl.-Ing. Paul Wölfel Email paul.woel...@gmail.com Tel. +43 664 88 533 801 Lindengasse 31/1/11 1070 Wien Austria On 29 Aug 2014, at 08:30, David Schmitt da...@black.co.at wrote: Das plugin ist mir schon vor kurzem aufgefallen und ich hab einige Gebäude in NÖ damit erfasst. Folgende SAchen sind mir aufgefallen: * Wie Stefan schon erwähnt hat, fehlen die Umrandungen. Gebäude werden daher zu klein und müssen händisch nachkorrigiert werden. * knapp darauf folgend, müssen natürlich alle Gebäude die Wand an Wand stehen auch händisch verbunden werden. * JPEG Kompressionsartefakte führen manchmal dazu dass kleine Wirbel aus 4-8 Nodes entstehen, die lästige Nachkorrektur erfordern. In seiner aktuellen Form bringt mir das Plugin noch keine wirkliche Ersparnis, gegenüber einer rein manuellen Erfassung, aber ein Ausmerzen der Problemstellen könnte die Situation rasch zum Besseren wenden! Bitte halte uns am Laufenden! MfG David On 2014-08-28 21:53, Paul Woelfel wrote: Hallo, Passend zur Grbäudeabdeckung hab ich mit Unterstützung von Tom ein Tool erstellt, welches es leichter macht Gebäude aus basemap.at http://basemap.at Bildern zu mappen. Das Plugin für JOSM nennt sich Areaselector und is auch in den normalen Josm Plugins gelistet. Quellcode und ist unter https://github.com/JOSM/JOSM-areaselector zu finden. Zum mappen eines Gebäudes muss man nur den Bereich des Gebäudes anklicken und es werden automatisch die Grenzen erkannt und ein Polygon gezeichnet. Ein Tagging Dialog, welcher sich die letzten Werte merkt, wird danach automatisch angezeigt. Mir is klar, dass die basemap Daten nicht immer hundertprozentig richtig ist, aber ich denke als Basis mal nicht schlecht. Ich würde mich auch über Feedback oder Codebeiträge freuen! Mit freundlichen Grüßen Dipl.-Ing. Paul Wölfel Email paul.woel...@gmail.com mailto:paul.woel...@gmail.com Tel. +43 664 88 499 513 Lindengasse 31/1/11 1070 Wien Austria Am 28.08.2014 21:37 schrieb Markus Straub markus.straub...@gmail.com mailto:markus.straub...@gmail.com: Wow, gratuliere, die Karte ist wirklich wunderschön geworden! Gibt nichts zu meckern, einfach tolle Arbeit. LG, Markus 2014-08-26 8:24 GMT+02:00 Thomas Konrad tkon...@gmx.net mailto:tkon...@gmx.net: Hallo, ich habe vor kurzem eine Karte erstellt, die die Gebäudeabdeckung in Österreich zeigt: http://thomaskonrad.at/2014/08/analyse-der-openstreetmap-gebaudeabdeckung-in-osterreich/ Die Karte soll als Analysewerkzeug und Motivation dienen, die Situation in Österreich zu verbessern :) Ganz unten im Artikel gibt es technische Infos, wie ich die Karte erstellt habe. Ich freue mich über Feedback! Liebe Grüße Tom ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Karte zur Gebäudeabdeckung in Österreich / JOSM Areaselector
Hi, ich bin zur Korrektur der Daten durch die einzelnen Polys durchgegangen und habe 1) überflüssige nodes gelöscht 2) gemeinsame Ecken markiert und mit m gemerged 3) Abzweigungen mit j in Wände eingebaut 4) abschließend im w Modus die Polys dort hingezogen wo sie sein sollen. Meistens gibt es auch genug gebäude ohne hausnummer, womit der dialog nach dem finden einer Area eher hinderlich ist, weil eh nichts eingetragen wird. Auch finde ich den Preset - Addresses Dialog praktischer, da man gleich einen offset für die nächste Nummer angeben kann. Ich habe gerade zum Überlegen noch ein paar Häuser in Rust im Tullnerfeld eingetragen und habe mit erstaunen festgestellt, dass Snap to tile size am basemap.at Layer wesentlich schlechtere Ergebnisse erzielt, als wenn man davon noch ein oder zwei Rasten am Mausrad hineinzoomt. Da Du ja auch in Wien wohnst, können wir uns ja vielleicht einmal zusammensetzen und das direkt machen. Ich bin allerdings ab übermorgen drei Wochen weg. MfG David On 2014-08-29 08:34, Paul Wölfel wrote: Hallo, da ich noch nicht so lang mit OSM arbeite hätte ich dazu gleich eine Frage: Wie kann ich im JOSM Objekte an eindander snappen? Wenn ich weiß, wie man es im JOSM manuell machen kann, find ich auch den Code um dies zu automatisieren. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Dipl.-Ing. Paul Wölfel Email paul.woel...@gmail.com Tel. +43 664 88 533 801 Lindengasse 31/1/11 1070 Wien Austria On 29 Aug 2014, at 08:30, David Schmitt da...@black.co.at wrote: Das plugin ist mir schon vor kurzem aufgefallen und ich hab einige Gebäude in NÖ damit erfasst. Folgende SAchen sind mir aufgefallen: * Wie Stefan schon erwähnt hat, fehlen die Umrandungen. Gebäude werden daher zu klein und müssen händisch nachkorrigiert werden. * knapp darauf folgend, müssen natürlich alle Gebäude die Wand an Wand stehen auch händisch verbunden werden. * JPEG Kompressionsartefakte führen manchmal dazu dass kleine Wirbel aus 4-8 Nodes entstehen, die lästige Nachkorrektur erfordern. In seiner aktuellen Form bringt mir das Plugin noch keine wirkliche Ersparnis, gegenüber einer rein manuellen Erfassung, aber ein Ausmerzen der Problemstellen könnte die Situation rasch zum Besseren wenden! Bitte halte uns am Laufenden! MfG David On 2014-08-28 21:53, Paul Woelfel wrote: Hallo, Passend zur Grbäudeabdeckung hab ich mit Unterstützung von Tom ein Tool erstellt, welches es leichter macht Gebäude aus basemap.at http://basemap.at Bildern zu mappen. Das Plugin für JOSM nennt sich Areaselector und is auch in den normalen Josm Plugins gelistet. Quellcode und ist unter https://github.com/JOSM/JOSM-areaselector zu finden. Zum mappen eines Gebäudes muss man nur den Bereich des Gebäudes anklicken und es werden automatisch die Grenzen erkannt und ein Polygon gezeichnet. Ein Tagging Dialog, welcher sich die letzten Werte merkt, wird danach automatisch angezeigt. Mir is klar, dass die basemap Daten nicht immer hundertprozentig richtig ist, aber ich denke als Basis mal nicht schlecht. Ich würde mich auch über Feedback oder Codebeiträge freuen! Mit freundlichen Grüßen Dipl.-Ing. Paul Wölfel Email paul.woel...@gmail.com mailto:paul.woel...@gmail.com Tel. +43 664 88 499 513 Lindengasse 31/1/11 1070 Wien Austria Am 28.08.2014 21:37 schrieb Markus Straub markus.straub...@gmail.com mailto:markus.straub...@gmail.com: Wow, gratuliere, die Karte ist wirklich wunderschön geworden! Gibt nichts zu meckern, einfach tolle Arbeit. LG, Markus 2014-08-26 8:24 GMT+02:00 Thomas Konrad tkon...@gmx.net mailto:tkon...@gmx.net: Hallo, ich habe vor kurzem eine Karte erstellt, die die Gebäudeabdeckung in Österreich zeigt: http://thomaskonrad.at/2014/08/analyse-der-openstreetmap-gebaudeabdeckung-in-osterreich/ Die Karte soll als Analysewerkzeug und Motivation dienen, die Situation in Österreich zu verbessern :) Ganz unten im Artikel gibt es technische Infos, wie ich die Karte erstellt habe. Ich freue mich über Feedback! Liebe Grüße Tom ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-cz] značené trasy a KČT
Ahoj, rád se připojím. Mně by například úplně stačil seznam tras abych si udělal pořádek co chybí a nechybí na Náchodsku. A nějaký software ke zjednodušení práce by taky nebyl k zahození. :) Vašek __ Od: Jakub j...@kub.cz Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org Datum: 01.08.2014 10:46 Předmět: [Talk-cz] značené trasy a KČT Milí spolumapeři ;-) Chtěl bych se podělit o jednu fajn zprávu. Už delší dobu se zabývám zlepšováním turistického značení v OSM a jsa programátor experimentoval jsem pro radost i s několika nástroji pro kontrolu dat. V této souvislosti si už delší dobu občas píšu s KČT - tedy s vedením ne, to je nejspíš zbytečné, ale s jednotlivci, kteří se mi zdají přístupní. Pokud jste to někdy zkoušeli, tak asi víte že je to běh na dlouhou trať. Ale bral jsem to spíš jako sport, občas jim popsal OSM, občas si lehce přátelsky rýpnul do nepřístupnosti jejich dat, občas poslal nějaký bug report. Mimo dílčích úspěchů se ziskem některých dat (přehled vedení tras KČT na Plzeňsku) z toho zatím nic konkrétního nekáplo, ale teď se zdá, že se to možná změní. Zdá se že jsem narazil na lidi uvnitř KČT, co mají zájem na nějaké modernizaci v tomto směru, někdy v srpnu jdeme na pivko. Možná to zas nic nebude, ale zatím to vypadá celkem slibně, tak se jen chci podělit o radost ... :) Jakub PS: Kdyby to někoho zajímalo hlouběji - programátorsky či turisticky, a byl ochoten něco dělat (procházet trasy v terénu, procházet je na mapě podle dat, experimentovat s prográmky), tak se ozvěte. -- Jakub A. Tesinsky (j...@kub.cz) tel: 7778 JAKUB, web: ja.kub.cz Potius sero quam numquam. ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Kontrola a doplnění ulic
Dobrý den. Dovolil bych si maily níže uvedené mírně zpochybnit i když vařím z vody a je to můj odhad (ale věřím, že průzkum reality by mi dal v různých případech za pravdu). Každý z níže uvedených názvů se může lišit: * název schválený radou (zastupitelstvem) obce (či obdobnými orgány v dávné minulosti) * název v RUIAN * název na ceduli * název jak by měl být dle (aktuálních) pravidel pravopisu * název v různých mapových dílech či název jak ho používají lidé v mluvě či jiných dokumentech Samozřejmě snaha by měla být o jednotnost. Který z názvů je ten pravý? Ten schválený obcí? Ale to dohledat může být u starých názvů asi problém. Původně mnou uvedená olomoucká ulice: RUIAN: Na střelnici Cedule: Na Střelnici (skoro mám podezření, že v RUIAN někdo aplikoval nějaký skript...) Obdobný problém se zřejmě vyskytoval dokonce v křestních jménech. Člověk má jiné jméno v křestní matrice a jiné třeba v matrice oddání či matrice zemřelých (z vlastní zkušenosti: Anton - Antonín, Thomaš - Tomáš). Navíc se časem mění písmo či styl zápisu... Ať to nerozmělňuji. Aktuálně mi vadí nejednotnost v mapě OSM. Ulice je pojmenovaná jinak než adresní body a já tápu čemu dát přednost. OSMi se kvůli nejednotnosti červená. Možná, že v současné době by šlo nad rozdíly v malých a velkých písmenech přivřít oči, ale pak by bylo dobré ať je přivírá i OSMi. Nejednotnost v oblasti zkratek si možná úpravy zaslouží. Možná, ale dělám z komára velblouda... Zdraví Marek On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:55:32PM +0200, Petr Vozdecký wrote: Dobrý den, nezáleží nejen na tom, co napíše úředník do RÚIAN, ale hlavně na tom, jak to schválí příslušná rada (zastupitelstvo) obce. To je pro úředníka závazné a podle příslušného usnesení by to měl zapsat do RÚIAN. Rozhodně se názvy ulic neřídí v RÚIAN pravidly Českého pravopisu. Pokud byl název ulice schválen v minulosti, tak platí původní název, i když není v souladu s pravidly. Některé obce (např. Zlín) využily možnost a schválily změnu názvů ulic, aby byly v souladu s pravidly Českého pravopisu. Ale některé tvrdošíjně trvají na původních názvech (např. Praha). Největší problém to dělá školákům ... Pěkný večer přeje Petr Souček Zdravím vespolek, už jsem to chtěl napsat dříve, je to tak jak píše Petr Souček - za oficiální název nelze v žádném případě brát nějaké slovní spojení odpovídající (jakýmkoliv) pravidlům. Nelze tedy postupovat cestou univerzálního skriptu, který sjednotí názvy do správných tvarů. Historický vývoj místních názvů i neuvěřitelná lidová tvořivost místních zastupitelstev jsou autory mnoha fantaskních názvů, které jsou přes svoji originalitu, zmatečnost a jazykovou nesmyslnost skutečnými oficiálními názvy. Univerzální skript bude mít řadu dalších oříšků k řešení. Je jím třeba značný výskyt slova ulice v názvech ulic, přičemž mnohde je zjevně nesprávně nadbytečný a v rozporu s ofic názvem. V Brně (a v celé řadě dalších měst) však lze např. nalézt i z pohledu uživatele map překvapivé sousloví ulice Kosmonautů, zatímco třeba zastávka MHD je jen Kosmonautů. Zmatečné je to třeba tím, že v papírovém rejstříku tuto ulic nenajdete pod K ale pod U. Různé datové zdroje pak obsahují mraky ulic s nesprávně uvedeným slovem ulice na začátku názvu - jak ale pomocí scriptu automaticky poznat, která ulice je správně a která nikoliv... vop -Original Message- From: Marián Kyral [mailto:mky...@email.cz] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 8:50 PM To: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Kontrola a doplnění ulic Dne 28.8.2014 12:50, Jan Martinec napsal(a): Nicméně: ten problém s adresami ale je větší: velká a malá písmena bych považoval za ne-problém, to funguje při vyhledávání téměř všude (takže bych to neřešil a považoval za false positive); ale co se zkratkami? Třeba celý úsek podél Mariánských hradeb v Praze: ulice má name=Na Baště svaté Ludmily, zatímco adresní body Na Baště sv. Ludmily. Tedy dotaz do pléna: má smysl řešit takové (významově rovnocenné) rozdíly? (Případně, pokud ne: lze v OSMi něco označit jako fixed: false positive?) Honza Piškvor Martinec Přesně tak. Co vím, je snaha v OSM mít nezkrácené názvy. Existuje dokonce skript, který projde seznam ulic a navrhne nezkrácené jméno - ul. - ulice, tř. - třída, nám. - náměstím, náb. - nábřeží... Na cedulích se to většinou zkracuje - cedule je menší a levnější. A pak zřejmě záleží na konkrétním úředníkovi, jak to zadá do databáze a následně do RUIAN. Takže pokud bychom to chtěli udělat dle pravidel OSM - tedy nezkracovat, musel by si Petr udělat nějaké mapování - RUIAN ulice - nezkrácená OSM ulice. A při aktualizaci k tomu přihlížet. Marián ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz; ___
Re: [Talk-cz] Kontrola a doplnění ulic
2014-08-29 18:17 GMT+02:00 Marek Chlup m...@chlup.net: Původně mnou uvedená olomoucká ulice: RUIAN: Na střelnici Cedule: Na Střelnici (skoro mám podezření, že v RUIAN někdo aplikoval nějaký skript...) Tak ono kdekoli dochází ke změně pravidel pravopisu, jsou z toho zmatky. Zrovna v Olomouci by mohli vyprávět… https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Uli%C4%8Dn%C3%AD_tabule_U_Podjezdu.jpg ;-) -- Petr Kadlec / Mormegil ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] RUIAN tracer chyby
Dne 29.8.2014 21:56, Martin Švec - OSM napsal(a): Ahoj, buďto dělám něco špatně, nebo tracer ošklivě rozbíjí budovy všude kolem sebe. Chtěl jsem opravit neuzavřené budovy v Litomyšli a místo toho jich s každým klikem přibývá ;-) Konkrétní příklad: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/49.87194/16.32011 Klikem na https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263830995 se rozbijí na druhé straně ulice budovy https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263830720 a https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263835323. Budova č. 137 se opět vytvoří špatně uzavřená, je tam dovnitř ocas navíc. Ale v podstatě stačí kliknout na jakoukoliv osaměle stojící budovu v zástavbě a podle zásobníku příkazů tracer v sekvenci Odstranění nadbytečných uzlů rozdrbe široké okolí. Dále, v případě mrzáčků https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263832564 a https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263834808 úplně zhavaruje. Vyzkoušeno s těmito verzemi, dělá mi to v obou: http://www.kyralovi.cz/tmp/josm/beta/Tracer.jar http://www.kyralovi.cz/tmp/josm/beta/20140823/Tracer.jar Martin Díky za report. Mrknu na to (ale asi až během příštího týdne). Prozatím jsem tu funkci vypnul. S ocásky nic takhle narychlo neudělám, musím se na to pořádně podívat. http://www.kyralovi.cz/tmp/josm/beta/20140829/Tracer.jar Marián ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Zpráva o činnosti
Dobrý den, o Mikulovu slyším prvně :-). Jevany řešíme, dále řešíme Vlašim, Všechlapy, Třebáň, Brno, Jihlavu, Černošice, ... - no není toho málo, kolegyně žhaví telefon, email ... no prostě - snaží se. Něco se daří více, něco méně :-). Třeba případ v Troji (zmiňovaný před nějakým časem) s chybným polygonem budovy už je opraven. Pokud se máme podívat na Mikulov, tak pošlete podrobnosti. IMHO já se do Mikulova chystám osobně za 14 dní, tak na to mohu upozornit :-) Pěkný víkend přeje Petr Souček -Original Message- From: Petr Vejsada [mailto:o...@propsychology.cz] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:35 PM To: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-cz] Zpráva o činnosti Ahoj, jen pro info, že něco málo pořád dělám. Kromě aktualizace adres a čekání na to, zda někdo opraví v RUIAN Mikulov, Jevany a možná ještě něco, tak jsem zkusil vytvořit těch 60 obřích multipolygonů z parcel. Bohužel, nemám na to techniku. st_union mi během chvíle sežral všechnu paměť a dotaz jsem stihl zrušit dříve než OOM killer :-). Varianta st_memunion bežela od pondělí do teď, přičemž to neužralo žádné volné místo na disku a tedy by to nejspíš běželo týdny či měsíce a zrušil jsem to. Dále jsem smazal asi 100 tisíc osiřelých uzlů, několik tisíc čar a několik relací. Nechám to takto běžet, pokud nebudou námitky. Podmínky pro mazání jsou: - uzel nesmí mít žádný tag a nesmí být součástí žádné cesty ani relace - cesta nesmí mít žádný tag a nesmí být součástí žádné relace - relace nesmí mít žádný tag, nesmí být součástí jiné relace a žádní jiná relace na ní nesmí odkazovat - každá entita musí být v tomto stavu měsíc a déle Směrem dolů závislost neřeším, tedy smažu-li nějakou cestu, její uzly ponechám. V příštím běhu tyto uzly nejspíš splní výše uvedené podmínky a budou smazány příště. Analogicky to platí i pro relace. - nikdo mi nevynadal, tak snad v poho ;-). Dělám to pod svým účtem pedro' (apostrof je součástí názvu). -- Petr, p...@propsychology.cz p ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Zpráva o činnosti
Dobrý den, Mikulov dnes zpracoval kolega Tomáš Kašpárek a vrátil mi data se slovy nebylo to tak hrozné :-), tak asi lépe poreferuje. Z nedávné doby si vzpomínám na Břeclav, kde je zmatek hlavně v orientačních číslech. Snad se mi podařilo dovodit, která čísla platí a která ne (Břeclav už je do OSM nahrána). Možná tam bylo nějaké přečíslování v souvislosti s přejmenováním ulic, ale to je jen dohad. Je to hlavně v oblasti ulic Julia Fučíka, Prostřední, Hraniční, Osvobození, J. Skácela, Komenského. Jeden dům má více orientačních čísel s toutéž ulicí, která jsou nesourodá. Pro ilustraci (příklad si vymýšlím) č. 27 a 136. Bývá to tak, že jen jedno z těchto adresních míst má geometrii a druhé ne. V oblasti těchto ulic by neměl být problém. Konkrétní příklad: SO 18839398 má AM 18981909 (Osvobození 326/15) a zároveň AM 18981895 (Osvobození 326/31). Snad jsem se v těch číslech neupsal. -- Zdraví Petr Vejsada Dne Pá 29. srpna 2014 22:21:24, Petr Souček napsal(a): Dobrý den, o Mikulovu slyším prvně :-). Jevany řešíme, dále řešíme Vlašim, Všechlapy, Třebáň, Brno, Jihlavu, Černošice, ... - no není toho málo, kolegyně žhaví telefon, email ... no prostě - snaží se. Něco se daří více, něco méně :-). Třeba případ v Troji (zmiňovaný před nějakým časem) s chybným polygonem budovy už je opraven. Pokud se máme podívat na Mikulov, tak pošlete podrobnosti. IMHO já se do Mikulova chystám osobně za 14 dní, tak na to mohu upozornit :-) Pěkný víkend přeje Petr Souček -Original Message- From: Petr Vejsada [mailto:o...@propsychology.cz] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:35 PM To: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-cz] Zpráva o činnosti Ahoj, jen pro info, že něco málo pořád dělám. Kromě aktualizace adres a čekání na to, zda někdo opraví v RUIAN Mikulov, Jevany a možná ještě něco, tak jsem zkusil vytvořit těch 60 obřích multipolygonů z parcel. Bohužel, nemám na to techniku. st_union mi během chvíle sežral všechnu paměť a dotaz jsem stihl zrušit dříve než OOM killer :-). Varianta st_memunion bežela od pondělí do teď, přičemž to neužralo žádné volné místo na disku a tedy by to nejspíš běželo týdny či měsíce a zrušil jsem to. Dále jsem smazal asi 100 tisíc osiřelých uzlů, několik tisíc čar a několik relací. Nechám to takto běžet, pokud nebudou námitky. Podmínky pro mazání jsou: - uzel nesmí mít žádný tag a nesmí být součástí žádné cesty ani relace - cesta nesmí mít žádný tag a nesmí být součástí žádné relace - relace nesmí mít žádný tag, nesmí být součástí jiné relace a žádní jiná relace na ní nesmí odkazovat - každá entita musí být v tomto stavu měsíc a déle Směrem dolů závislost neřeším, tedy smažu-li nějakou cestu, její uzly ponechám. V příštím běhu tyto uzly nejspíš splní výše uvedené podmínky a budou smazány příště. Analogicky to platí i pro relace. - nikdo mi nevynadal, tak snad v poho ;-). Dělám to pod svým účtem pedro' (apostrof je součástí názvu). -- Petr, p...@propsychology.cz p ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] RUIAN tracer chyby
On 29.8.2014 22:19, Marián Kyral wrote: Dne 29.8.2014 21:56, Martin Švec - OSM napsal(a): Ahoj, buďto dělám něco špatně, nebo tracer ošklivě rozbíjí budovy všude kolem sebe. Chtěl jsem opravit neuzavřené budovy v Litomyšli a místo toho jich s každým klikem přibývá ;-) Konkrétní příklad: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/49.87194/16.32011 Klikem na https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263830995 se rozbijí na druhé straně ulice budovy https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263830720 a https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263835323. Budova č. 137 se opět vytvoří špatně uzavřená, je tam dovnitř ocas navíc. Ale v podstatě stačí kliknout na jakoukoliv osaměle stojící budovu v zástavbě a podle zásobníku příkazů tracer v sekvenci Odstranění nadbytečných uzlů rozdrbe široké okolí. Dále, v případě mrzáčků https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263832564 a https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263834808 úplně zhavaruje. Vyzkoušeno s těmito verzemi, dělá mi to v obou: http://www.kyralovi.cz/tmp/josm/beta/Tracer.jar http://www.kyralovi.cz/tmp/josm/beta/20140823/Tracer.jar Martin Díky za report. Mrknu na to (ale asi až během příštího týdne). Prozatím jsem tu funkci vypnul. S ocásky nic takhle narychlo neudělám, musím se na to pořádně podívat. http://www.kyralovi.cz/tmp/josm/beta/20140829/Tracer.jar Marián Díky za opravu, už zase šlape :-) Martin ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Zpráva o činnosti
Dobrý den, tak jsem se chtěl pokochat, jak jste opravili tu Troju, Krynickou ulici. No, je to změněné, ale opravené tedy ne. Každé té budově jste udělali polygon, který ovšem zahrnuje geometrii všech těch budov dohromady. A ty všechny jsou zase naplácané na sobě :-) http://ruian.poloha.net/18/50.12648/14.41053 po rozsvícení vrstvy budov to opravdu hodně svítí. Normálně to má být průhledné. Dne Pá 29. srpna 2014 22:21:24, Petr Souček napsal(a): Třeba případ v Troji (zmiňovaný před nějakým časem) s chybným polygonem budovy už je opraven. ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Utilisation de noexit = yes
2014-08-28 23:28 GMT+02:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: L'idée c'est ça. Donc si je comprends bien, le dernier node d'une highway = * peut être tagué noexit = yes à condition bien évidement qu'il n'y ait aucune continuité de voie au-delà de ce node quelque soit le type. Mouais. Attention quand même, là. On pourrait laisser croire que ce tag est nécessaire dans toutes les impasses alors que ça n'est pas vrai. Je ne vais pas refaire l'historique de l'usage de ce tag qui a changé plusieurs fois depuis son invention. Mais pour faire court, un highway qui se termine dans une impasse indiscutable n'a pas besoin de ce tag. Il n'est vraiment nécessaire que lorsque le dernier noeud est proche d'un autre highway. Il y a des outils QA (ou validator) qui peuvent alors penser que le highway n'a pas été correctement tracé et connecté pour faire une jonction. Ce tag est surtout nécessaire pour lever cette ambiguit (c'est le seul cas pratique d'utilisation de ce tag). C'est comme le tag oneway. Quand il est absent, on assume que la route est bidirectionnelle. On ne taggue que les exceptions (oneway=no) et le oneway=yes ne sert qu'à lever un doute dans les zones fortement réglementées ou en cas de changement sur le terrain. Pareil pour les impasses. s'il n'y a rien, on assume que la route s'arrête là et c'est vrai dans l'immense majorité des cas. Autrement, il y a eu de longues discussions pour savoir s'il fallait le mettre sur le way ou le dernier node. Certains pensent que c'est plus clair de le mettre sur le dernier node mais taginfo nous montre qu'un tiers de ces tags sont mis sur des way. Donc, à vous de choisir. Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Utilisation de noexit = yes
Le 29 août 2014 10:28, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit : Ce tag est surtout nécessaire pour lever cette ambiguité (c'est le seul cas pratique d'utilisation de ce tag). Tu fais bien de développer, mon _confirmer_ qu'un route qui se termine dans OSM n'a pas de suite -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Utilisation de noexit = yes
Le 29 août 2014 10:28, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit : C'est comme le tag oneway. Quand il est absent, on assume que la route est bidirectionnelle. On ne taggue que les exceptions (oneway=no) et le oneway=yes ne sert qu'à lever un doute dans les zones fortement réglementées ou en cas de changement sur le terrain. N'importe quoi Là c'est carrément l'inverse ! Les exceptions c'est avec oneway=yes et ce n'est pas lié du tout aux zones très réglementées ou changement de terrain. C'est oneway=no qui est toujours inutile (équivalent à l'absence du tag qui signigfie aussi une voie idirectionnelle); oneway=yes est inutile seulement pour les rond-points (cercles non découpés tagués avec junction=roundabout; certains grands rond-points sont parfois découpés quand ils ont des parties taguées en ponts mais on a encore junction=roundabout; et il y a des ambguités dans des rond-points découpés, liées alors aux voies de service internes mais c'est une minorité des rond-points). On met en revanche oneway=yes sur les voies en triangle d'entrée et de sortie des tond-points (ces voies formant un triangle très aigu dont le côté le plus court est sur le rond-point ne de vraient pas avoir besoin qu'on y ajoute en plus une restriction (comme un pas de tourne à gauche à l'extrémité pour revenir au rond-point) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Utilisation de noexit = yes
Oneway=No marche bien pour les zones qui ont changé mais qui ne se voient pas via satellite, l'explicite n'est pas un mal, il faut juste ne pas le faire systématiquement Le 29 août 2014 11:00, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : Le 29 août 2014 10:28, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit : C'est comme le tag oneway. Quand il est absent, on assume que la route est bidirectionnelle. On ne taggue que les exceptions (oneway=no) et le oneway=yes ne sert qu'à lever un doute dans les zones fortement réglementées ou en cas de changement sur le terrain. N'importe quoi Là c'est carrément l'inverse ! Les exceptions c'est avec oneway=yes et ce n'est pas lié du tout aux zones très réglementées ou changement de terrain. C'est oneway=no qui est toujours inutile (équivalent à l'absence du tag qui signigfie aussi une voie idirectionnelle); oneway=yes est inutile seulement pour les rond-points (cercles non découpés tagués avec junction=roundabout; certains grands rond-points sont parfois découpés quand ils ont des parties taguées en ponts mais on a encore junction=roundabout; et il y a des ambguités dans des rond-points découpés, liées alors aux voies de service internes mais c'est une minorité des rond-points). On met en revanche oneway=yes sur les voies en triangle d'entrée et de sortie des tond-points (ces voies formant un triangle très aigu dont le côté le plus court est sur le rond-point ne de vraient pas avoir besoin qu'on y ajoute en plus une restriction (comme un pas de tourne à gauche à l'extrémité pour revenir au rond-point) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Utilisation de noexit = yes
2014-08-29 10:58 GMT+02:00 Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr: C'est comme le tag oneway. Quand il est absent, on assume que la route est bidirectionnelle. On ne taggue que les exceptions (oneway=no) et le oneway=yes ne sert qu'à lever un doute dans les zones fortement réglementées ou en cas de changement sur le terrain. N'importe quoi Là c'est carrément l'inverse ! Oui, pardon. Je me suis mélangé les pinceaux (toujours se relire avant d'envoyer). Correction donc: On ne taggue que les exceptions (oneway=yes) et le oneway=no ne sert qu'à lever un doute dans les zones fortement réglementées ou en cas de changement sur le terrain. Il y a d'ailleurs une discussion sur la liste principale sur ce sujet (à savoir, si le oneway=no ne serait pas nécessaire dans les zones où il y a beaucoup de oneway) Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Utilisation de noexit = yes
Personnellement parler de zones très réglementées n'est pas à propos ici. De même que parler zones où il y a beaucoup de oneway (subjectif). Il faut être plus précis. Je ne vois d'intérêt d'un oneway=no que sur une petite section de rue qui autrement est entièrement en sens unique sauf un peit bout par exemple à une extrémité où il peut y avoir une circulation limitée permettant un accès résidentiel avec une voie en plus pour ce contre sens; ensuite la rue passe en sens unique avec oneway=yes: la présence du tag évite alors de faire dans un éditeur la fusion du petit segment bidirectionnel avec le plus long en sens unique sur le reste de la rue. Le petit bout bidirectionnel (oneway=no) indique que ce segment est nécessaire pour faire une jonction Mais dans tous les cas, mettre oneway=no reste équivalent à l'absence du tag lors de l'utilisation de la carte. Le 29 août 2014 11:09, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit : 2014-08-29 10:58 GMT+02:00 Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr: C'est comme le tag oneway. Quand il est absent, on assume que la route est bidirectionnelle. On ne taggue que les exceptions (oneway=no) et le oneway=yes ne sert qu'à lever un doute dans les zones fortement réglementées ou en cas de changement sur le terrain. N'importe quoi Là c'est carrément l'inverse ! Oui, pardon. Je me suis mélangé les pinceaux (toujours se relire avant d'envoyer). Correction donc: On ne taggue que les exceptions (oneway=yes) et le oneway=no ne sert qu'à lever un doute dans les zones fortement réglementées ou en cas de changement sur le terrain. Il y a d'ailleurs une discussion sur la liste principale sur ce sujet (à savoir, si le oneway=no ne serait pas nécessaire dans les zones où il y a beaucoup de oneway) Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
Bonjour sur JOSM, je n'arrive pas a envoyer mes modifs: l'identification avec le serveur echoue. Je récupère, comme me le demande le message d'erreur, une nouvelle autorisation sans problème mais dès que j'essaie de renvoyer mes modif, rebelotte L'identification avec.à échoué' J'ai redémarré JOSM , essayer sur une autre machine même problème. J'ai essayé via ID j'ai un message Couldn't authentificate you est-ce un souci avec mon compte ou quelqu'un d'autre rencontre-il le même problème meci claude -- Envoyé avec Mozilla Thunderbird --- ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
On 29/08/2014 16:22, Claude wrote: sur JOSM, je n'arrive pas a envoyer mes modifs: l'identification avec le serveur echoue [..] Problème idenfié - probablement causé par une mise à jour de api.opentreetmap.org et en cours d'étude, cf. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-August/070699.html ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
Pareil. J'ai attendu 2 minutes et c'est passé. Le 29 août 2014 16:27, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org a écrit : On 29/08/2014 16:22, Claude wrote: sur JOSM, je n'arrive pas a envoyer mes modifs: l'identification avec le serveur echoue [..] Problème idenfié - probablement causé par une mise à jour de api.opentreetmap.org et en cours d'étude, cf. https://lists.openstreetmap. org/pipermail/talk/2014-August/070699.html ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
Problème temporaire rencontré aussi : Bad request (HTTP error 400) lors du chargement de certains objets dans JOSM; par exemple au chargement des membres incomplets d'une relation. L'API ne reconnaissait plus la requête pourtant valide. Ce problème semble avoir été résolu à l'instant. Le 29 août 2014 16:26, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org a écrit : On 29/08/2014 16:22, Claude wrote: sur JOSM, je n'arrive pas a envoyer mes modifs: l'identification avec le serveur echoue [..] Problème idenfié - probablement causé par une mise à jour de api.opentreetmap.org et en cours d'étude, cf. https://lists.openstreetmap. org/pipermail/talk/2014-August/070699.html ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
On 29/08/2014 16:26, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 29/08/2014 16:22, Claude wrote: sur JOSM, je n'arrive pas a envoyer mes modifs: l'identification avec le serveur echoue [..] Problème idenfié - probablement causé par une mise à jour de api.opentreetmap.org et en cours d'étude, cf. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-August/070699.html La mise à jour de Java vers Java 7 a réglé le problème pour moi. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
Cela n'est visiblement pas lié à la mise à jour de Java La plupart ici ont déjà Java 7 ou 8 (et ceux qu ne l'ont pas encore feraient bien de la charger, c'est nécessaire depuis les dernières versons de JOSM et les performances sont bien meilleures, notamment avec MapCSS et plus généralement le parser XML; notamment en terme de consommation mémoire et un garbage collector un peu plus efficace) Le 29 août 2014 16:40, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org a écrit : On 29/08/2014 16:26, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 29/08/2014 16:22, Claude wrote: sur JOSM, je n'arrive pas a envoyer mes modifs: l'identification avec le serveur echoue [..] Problème idenfié - probablement causé par une mise à jour de api.opentreetmap.org et en cours d'étude, cf. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-August/070699.html La mise à jour de Java vers Java 7 a réglé le problème pour moi. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
Le 29/08/2014 16:33, Philippe Verdy a écrit : Problème temporaire rencontré aussi : Bad request (HTTP error 400) lors du chargement de certains objets dans JOSM; par exemple au chargement des membres incomplets d'une relation. L'API ne reconnaissait plus la requête pourtant valide. Ce problème semble avoir été résolu à l'instant. Le 29 août 2014 16:26, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org mailto:j...@liotier.org a écrit : On 29/08/2014 16:22, Claude wrote: sur JOSM, je n'arrive pas a envoyer mes modifs: l'identification avec le serveur echoue [..] Problème idenfié - probablement causé par une mise à jour de api.opentreetmap.org http://api.opentreetmap.org et en cours d'étude, cf. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-August/070699.html ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr je n'ai aucun problème à charger quoi que ce soit mais l'envoi ne fonctionne toujours pas, même problème -- Envoyé avec Mozilla Thunderbird --- ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
On 29/08/2014 16:55, Claude wrote: Je n'ai aucun problème à charger quoi que ce soit mais l'envoi ne fonctionne toujours pas, même problème Quelle version de JOSM ? Quelle version de Java ? Ici ça fonctionne avec JOSM 7347 sur Java 7 fraîchement installé. Pendant ce temps, Tom Hughes cherche une mitigation du problème par le paramétrage du serveur: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-August/070700.html ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
C'est peut être pas le même pb vu qu'avec iD il n'y arrive pas non plus. Il est déjà arrivé que des comptes soient restés bloqués, un truc du genre un verrou dans la base de donnée. Essaie de contacter un admin soit sur IRC, soit par mail (Tom Hughes par exemple). Francisco - Mail original - De: Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org À: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Vendredi 29 Août 2014 17:03:27 Objet: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification On 29/08/2014 16:55, Claude wrote: Je n'ai aucun problème à charger quoi que ce soit mais l'envoi ne fonctionne toujours pas, même problème Quelle version de JOSM ? Quelle version de Java ? Ici ça fonctionne avec JOSM 7347 sur Java 7 fraîchement installé. Pendant ce temps, Tom Hughes cherche une mitigation du problème par le paramétrage du serveur: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-August/070700.html ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
Donc on aurait eu droit à un changement d'algorithme Diffie-Hellmann d'échanges de clés de sécurité, vers une nouvelle méthode nécessitant Java7; j'en doûte un peu car cet algo est depuis très longtemps dans Java. Je pense plutôt à un changement de signature des certificats (mais il est connu que les certificats émis par openstreetmap.de ne sont pas signés correctement avec un fournisseur de PKI certifié, ce qui est la cause de l'alerte de sécurité qu'on voit s'afficher au début d'une première création de session avec le serveur d'API...) Ca coûte si cher un certificat signé par un fournisseur PKI reconnu ? Le 29 août 2014 17:03, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org a écrit : On 29/08/2014 16:55, Claude wrote: Je n'ai aucun problème à charger quoi que ce soit mais l'envoi ne fonctionne toujours pas, même problème Quelle version de JOSM ? Quelle version de Java ? Ici ça fonctionne avec JOSM 7347 sur Java 7 fraîchement installé. Pendant ce temps, Tom Hughes cherche une mitigation du problème par le paramétrage du serveur: https://lists.openstreetmap. org/pipermail/talk/2014-August/070700.html ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
Le 29/08/2014 17:03, Jean-Marc Liotier a écrit : On 29/08/2014 16:55, Claude wrote: Je n'ai aucun problème à charger quoi que ce soit mais l'envoi ne fonctionne toujours pas, même problème Quelle version de JOSM ? Quelle version de Java ? Ici ça fonctionne avec JOSM 7347 sur Java 7 fraîchement installé. Pendant ce temps, Tom Hughes cherche une mitigation du problème par le paramétrage du serveur: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-August/070700.html ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr Ca y est ça fonctionne à nouveau y compris sur mon desktop Linux sur laquelle je n'ai pas fait de nouvelle demande d'autorisation Il faut des fois insister car le serveur signale des requête erronée Pour JOSM toujours dernière version ainsi que JAVA -- Envoyé avec Mozilla Thunderbird --- ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
Le 29/08/2014 17:32, Claude a écrit : Il faut des fois insister car le serveur signale des requête erronée Oui, environ 2 sur 3… et comme j'envoie par petits paquets… ben ça marche pas… (Et non, je n'envoie plus tout d'un coup, les connexions sont toujours assez foireuses là où je suis pour que ça ne marche pas quand ça devrait…) JB. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
Ca fait longtemps que j'envoie des petits paquets avec 5 objets maxi par requête (dans les réglages avancés) de la boite de dialogue d'envoi; à faire une première fois et à garder dans ses préférences; cela persiste pour tous les envois suivants, même après fermeture d'un groupe de modifications, et même après arrêt et redémarrage de JOSM). En cas de pépin c'est bien plus facile de réparer ce qui peut manquer ou rester en doublon ou générer des conflits d'édition trop nombreux (c'est aussi toujours très long de régler des conflits, et c'est potentiellement source d'erreurs, il vau mieux les éviter). Le serveur réagit très bien: certes cela fait un peu plus de ping pong réseau (et pas beaucoup plus en terme de volume hormis les entêtes fixes hors des objets eux-mêmes), mais ça locke moins d'objets sur la base, elle est plus réactive, ça laisse les autres travailler. Et en terme de coût en temps réseau c'est minime comparé au temps de traitement des requêtes sur le serveur (quand on envoie les données on peut bien attendre une minute de plus, et on a en plus un meilleur retour visible de la progression). Le réglage par défaut de JOSM avec ses envois en masse est dangereux : je me suis déjà vu devoir passer plus d'une semaine à réparer un envoi interrompu en plein milieu en consiltant mon historique pour retrouver tous les objets modifiés un par un et en vérifier l'état et résoudre des centaines de conflits avec ma **propre** version locale... C'était une tâche pénible à faire (et très désespérante) il fallait une bonne dose de courage pour ne pas abandonner en cours et laisser la base en l'état avec des centaines de noeuds ou chemins orphelins laissés par un envoi interrompu. Le 29 août 2014 17:39, JB jb...@mailoo.org a écrit : Le 29/08/2014 17:32, Claude a écrit : Il faut des fois insister car le serveur signale des requête erronée Oui, environ 2 sur 3… et comme j'envoie par petits paquets… ben ça marche pas… (Et non, je n'envoie plus tout d'un coup, les connexions sont toujours assez foireuses là où je suis pour que ça ne marche pas quand ça devrait…) JB. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
On 29/08/2014 17:32, Claude wrote: Ca y est ça fonctionne à nouveau y compris sur mon desktop Linux sur laquelle je n'ai pas fait de nouvelle demande d'autorisation Il faut des fois insister car le serveur signale des requête erronée Tom Hughes a rétabli une configuration précédente qui a le mérite de fonctionner pour la plupart des utilisateurs, même si entre autres inconvénients elle produit ces erreurs apparemment aléatoires de temps en temps. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] problème authentification
cet après midi j'ai remplace dans josm l'adresse par defaut https://api par http//api... et plus de problème d'envoi Le vendredi 29 août 2014 à 18:13 +0200, Jean-Marc Liotier a écrit : On 29/08/2014 17:32, Claude wrote: Ca y est ça fonctionne à nouveau y compris sur mon desktop Linux sur laquelle je n'ai pas fait de nouvelle demande d'autorisation Il faut des fois insister car le serveur signale des requête erronée Tom Hughes a rétabli une configuration précédente qui a le mérite de fonctionner pour la plupart des utilisateurs, même si entre autres inconvénients elle produit ces erreurs apparemment aléatoires de temps en temps. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway
On 8/28/2014 10:56 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote: Is this abandoned railway really need at all? The last person to touch it was NE2. If there's no trace on the ground, delete it. If it's still there but without tracks, use railway=dismantled (e.g. a bed). By the looks of it, a lot of it goes through farm fields that have obliterated any sign of it. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway
I would be a little bit more careful: If no bits of the railway survive, remove it. But if some bits are still there (e.g. buildings converted to different use, some pieces of railway bed, ...) it may be useful to maintain also some abandoned and now invisible objects in the database in order to be able to understand the former structure. Just a consideration ... Volker 3. Abandoned railway (Hans De Kryger) 4. Re: Abandoned railway (Paul Norman) Message: 3 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:56:59 -0700 From: Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway Message-ID: caocdcsbzed2wjr-psgcalulgqjqp7r0nrn30-3tat_hocsg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Is this abandoned railway really need at all? The last person to touch it was NE2. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/133791053/history#map=14/43.7165/-92.2442 *Regards,* *Hans* *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13 * -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20140828/bb7de0ba/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 23:19:50 -0700 From: Paul Norman penor...@mac.com To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway Message-ID: 54001b86.8040...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; Format=flowed On 8/28/2014 10:56 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote: Is this abandoned railway really need at all? The last person to touch it was NE2. If there's no trace on the ground, delete it. If it's still there but without tracks, use railway=dismantled (e.g. a bed). By the looks of it, a lot of it goes through farm fields that have obliterated any sign of it. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20140828/dc8a23c6/attachment-0001.html -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- End of Talk-us Digest, Vol 81, Issue 22 *** ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway
Paul Norman writes: On 8/28/2014 10:56 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote: Is this abandoned railway really need at all? The last person to touch it was NE2. If there's no trace on the ground, delete it. If it's still there but without tracks, use railway=dismantled (e.g. a bed). By the looks of it, a lot of it goes through farm fields that have obliterated any sign of it. If there's no trace on the ground, use railway=dismantled (e.g. completely dismantled). If it's still there but without tracks, use railway=abandoned (e.g. a bed). -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway
Volker Schmidt writes: I would be a little bit more careful: If no bits of the railway survive, remove it. But if some bits are still there (e.g. buildings converted to different use, some pieces of railway bed, ...) it may be useful to maintain also some abandoned and now invisible objects in the database in order to be able to understand the former structure. Yes, exactly. I can point you to places where there are no bits of a railway left. And then I can point you to oddly connected roads, and a lack of buildings, or new buildings. How would you know why those things were that way if the railway that went through there has been deleted? And both abandoned and dismantled railways are rendered on specialized maps like OpenRailwayMap.org. They serve a purpose in the database. It's BAD ENOUGH that abandoned railways aren't rendered on the osm.org map at *some* zoom level. It's tolerable that dismantled railways aren't rendered. It's intolerable to recommend deleting something from the database just because *you* fail to see it. I fear that the deletionism infection has jumped from Wikipedia to OpenStreetMap. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway
I ended up deleting it completely. But another mapper disagreed with my edit and reverted some of it. Not sure if he reverted the entire thing. It was my mistake completely. Thought everyone was in agreement. The link i provided no longer shows the entire railway due to my deletion. But if you follow the link and check the history of the area I'm sure you can find it. Again sorry if i stepped on anyone's toes. Did not mean to at all. Regards, Hans On Aug 29, 2014 9:42 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Volker Schmidt writes: I would be a little bit more careful: If no bits of the railway survive, remove it. But if some bits are still there (e.g. buildings converted to different use, some pieces of railway bed, ...) it may be useful to maintain also some abandoned and now invisible objects in the database in order to be able to understand the former structure. Yes, exactly. I can point you to places where there are no bits of a railway left. And then I can point you to oddly connected roads, and a lack of buildings, or new buildings. How would you know why those things were that way if the railway that went through there has been deleted? And both abandoned and dismantled railways are rendered on specialized maps like OpenRailwayMap.org. They serve a purpose in the database. It's BAD ENOUGH that abandoned railways aren't rendered on the osm.org map at *some* zoom level. It's tolerable that dismantled railways aren't rendered. It's intolerable to recommend deleting something from the database just because *you* fail to see it. I fear that the deletionism infection has jumped from Wikipedia to OpenStreetMap. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] 2014 Tiger Update
Released August 19, 2014 - https://www.census.gov/geo/maps-data/data/tiger-line.html Anyone know if they will be added to I.D editor anytime soon? Regards, Hans http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us