IMAP managing imap folders
I created a new folder using the web interface of my imap provider. When I reset my folder list in TB! it did not appear. The folder name included the '-' character, which is a dash or hypen or something (not using those words as words of art). When I renamed the folder to remove the - it worked fine. Didn't test to see what other non-alpha characters caused the same problem. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.39.37 (BETA) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 3) Current beta is 4.0.39.37 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP
I hope, I dont offend anybody. I hope, Ritlabs are reading it too. Just went thru some mails and I hope I can rationalize why Ritlabs should work on IMAP. I dont know how much extra resources, development money you got in Chisinau. If you have plenty, stop reading, and spend time as you wish. If you do need to earn money from The Bat! sales, read on. Email chat, postponed messaging, view modes... They dont sell The Bat!. The Bat! sales are due for excellent filtering (it seems that we have problems with this too, now, I am not sure), multiple email handling, spell checking in multiple languages, templates!, mass mailing, inventive ideas and sometimes working with Exchange. The question in my profession is always this: what is the next big thing? And do that. What is the next big thing for an email client? If I am hearing right, a reliable, correct IMAP support with the filtering, etc. of The Bat! would be a big hit. Why? Nu such thing exists yet. So, if Ritlabs would spend time to do this, that would be unique. Yeah, postponing is unique I guess, but "who gives a sh.t." Quote from actual users. They dont use it. So, the question Ritlabs has to decide: be it a pet project, do what you think is good and needed, or be a corporate project where you satisfy the market. I used to see this and that sometimes, nowadays it all looks like a pet project to me. No offense. I try to help as Dieter Hummel tried to help you guys back in 2001 and 2002. He gave up, I try not to. There is still hope. I think, some of the guys on this BETA list work hard for you RITLABS, so they ... (I cant remember the right word here..., "you earned to be answered to") a straighforward answer from you guys. We are f..king tired to read always that "after this, after that" we will do this. And those things will never happen. You lose trust and respect. You lose the good guys and sonner or later all you will have after a beta release is some "up and running" beta testers. (No offense.) -- Vili Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP
I chose IMAP on a clean install of the latest release. The Bat shows the counter of how many unread messages and the total number of messages. It does not show any messages other than the one the software sends you when you install, nor does it show the folders that have been created. When clicking on the counter the count disappears and only comes back when restarting The Bat. Regards, Burkster Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP
Hello Randy, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 18:10:02, you wrote: >>Right, yes, I do. I prefer doing it this way because it ensures that >>my messages will be filtered as I like it regardless of how I access >>my mail. If you note that IMAP works somewhat improperly, plese submit bug reports to the bugtracking server, or add comments to existing reports. We would like to have the information that will help us reproduce the issues mentioned on the bugtracking server. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Imap
Hello tbbeta, Been away from TheBat! for some time, come back to find that imap is still very poor. Is the v4 series any better? Sean -- Sean Thawte, GSWoT and CaCert WOT Assurer I believe that every human has a finite number of heartbeats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises. - Neil Armstrong pgprY7b31H2ZG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP
So, when will Ritlabs finish working on these nuances (QT, etc.) and focus on IMAP? -- Vili Current beta is 4.0.24.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP?
Hello TBBETA, Allie, is it safe to try IMAP yet? Off to see a Meatloaf show later so I may try it tomorrow... After the GP that is and also if you think it's safe to dip a toe in the turbulent waters of IMAP. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
imap
Het is dinsdag 19 april 2005 en 15:23:32 uur : Hallo tbbeta, imap doens't work flawlessly. Keep getting the connection centre, with sync commands, and at that very same time I cannot view my inbox. -- groeten, Cees Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.0.9.17 Return [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP
Hello all, Who had problems with IMAP: try it now. It is REALLY fast now... -- Vili The Bat 3.63.05 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current beta is 3.63.05 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP
Hello tbbeta (specifically the developers), I just had some questions about IMAP. 1) Is development currently continuing? 2) Is there any point in sending in new bug reports? I only ask because we keep getting told this is the IMAP beta and yet nothing seems to progress. I also keep coming up with weirder and weirder behavior and wonder if its worth reporting when previous reports have not been acted on. -- Stuart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.64.04 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.64.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP
Hello tbbeta, Since the last few betas and the release candidates, I have found that IMAP is not working as well as it used to. It is nothing I can put my finger on, but it seems to be behaving erratically. I also noticed today that some of my filters went missing. These were not common filters as someone had mentioned earlier, but filters specifically for IMAP. I have a fastmail account, this one, that is behaving really odd, disconnecting and reconnecting often. -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.81.18 RC2 On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 3.81.18 RC2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP
I'd like to start exploring IMAP. Until now I just have not paid attention to IMAP-related threads. I'm willing to do some catch-up, but--by way of starting out--would someone tell me which Beta was the first to utilize IMAP protocol reliably (assuming that reliability has been achieved)? Also, I'd appreciate it if anyone could recommend an IMAP primer that they're especially fond of. -- JN Current beta is 2.0b4 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fwd: IMAP folders on Courier-IMAP
Can anyone help with some debug settings perhaps ? This problem persists with 2 IMAP servers, but not with another. The problem servers are Courier-IMAP, I create new folder using webmail/IMP but can never see it to subscribe to it. This is at spamcop.net and my ISP. fastmail.fm IMAP works as expected, I create a folder via the web and when I reset the folder list, I can see it and subscribe to it. This is frustrating as TB!'s IMAP support seems so close. thanks, davidp. BTW. Thunderbird and Outlook Express seem to perform perfectly :( -- David Pascoe, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Western Australia This is a forwarded message ===8<==Original message text=== From: David Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 10:36:23 AM Subject: IMAP folders on spamcop Has anyone else has problems listing/subscribing all IMAP folders using spamcop's IMAP server ? I have several folders that I can see using the IMP web client, but they won't show when managing the IMAP folders from TB! I can see INBOX.Held Email, INBOX.sent-mail and INBOX.Spamcop Mail, but none of the other folders such as INBOX.New Folder, INBOX.Trash, INBOX.postpond, INBOX.drafts. Reset List in the Manage IMAP Folders dialogue doesn't appear to change anything. (I pointed the "Sent mail:" to INBOX.sent-mail and it worked just fine - impressive, sends the message via SMTP to my ISP and then writes the message via IMAP to spamcop.) davidp. -- David Pascoe, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Western Australia Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/40 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.03 Beta/40 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html ===8<===End of original message text=== Current beta is 2.03 Beta/47 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The Bat! IMAP (was: News: Thunderbird IMAP)
Hello Robert, On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:35:28 +0100 GMT (01/Mar/09, 4:35 +0700 GMT), Robert Tomanek wrote: >> rewriting IMAP code was confirmed and is under development right now, this RT> Care to point to the exact source of this information? RT> I mean: when and where did Ritlabs make any obligations as to: RT> (1) What exactly is going to be fixed, RT> (2) By when, RT> (3) In what version. RT> This question is addressed to everyone. I'll be glad if someone could RT> find references to their past "promises" (that they never kept). Kindly see the attached famous interview from the year 2000, promising improved IMAP(4) support from v2. It does not say what exactly they were going to improve though. Somebody might find other references. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt" http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 --- Begin Message --- Hello users, We are finally done. I hope you all find it as informative as I did! LG> - Why did you decide to write an e-mail client package? We started using e-mail in the end of 1996 when I was away from the rest of other RITLABS guys and when Internet service providing had just started in our country. Before that, I was extensively using FidoNet mailing. I was surprised that none of the e-mail clients I tried was satisfactory for me (though I did not do a lot of mailing) - the main complaint was the absence of templates. So, when I came back, the first program I wrote was a small gateway program to convert Internet e-mail into FidoNet Netmail to read Internet messages using an FTN mail reader, and finally came to the conclusion that the next program I will write would be an e-mail client which will suit my needs plus fulfill the suggestions of my colleagues. In February 1997, we were expecting a big job from the Moldavian Air Traffic Service Authority, but they never came through with the final decision. While we were waiting, I started writing The Bat! (codenamed A-mailer), the first quick and dirty version was ready in one month, when no company came up with a good job for us, we decided to release The Bat! to public and announce it from our site as a Wide Area Beta. LG> - Did you base it from another e-mail client package? If you mean something intentional, then the answer is no. :-) Some interface details like the three-panel main window were used in Netscape, PM Mail and several other clients, so it was just like making a car - some common (and considered as natural) principles were used, but it is not possible to say that a particular package was used as a "prototype". LG> - Why did you choose the name "The Bat!"? Almost because it does not contain the word "mail" :-) Pigeons are too heavily used as postal mascots... About that time, we were listening a lot of Meat Loaf with his albums "The Bat Out The Hell" and "The Bat Out The Hell II", so I think that this was the real cause to choose such a name :-) LG> - What is the goal of your software? To make life easier :-) LG> - How long/much do you work every day on TB? It depends on what do you mean by working on TB. We don't do only programming. A lot of time is spent supporting users via e-mail, so it can be from 8 to 20 hours :-) LG> Do you have other jobs in addition to RIT Labs? No, we own RITLABS and we work here exclusively. LG> - Do you have any corporate philosophy on your products? Yes. :-) The most important thing about our philosophy is that we always help each member of our company (or at least to not interfere) to unleash his potential and express himself. LG> - How is RIT Labs structured? Currently, 6 people are working at RITLABS including Max and myself: 4 programmers and 2 administrators/managers/promoters/etc. We are not a usual enterprise - we are almost a team of enthusiasts/hobbyists who is also making some money out of what they do. :-) LG> Who works there? People who like to make something good for mankind in relation to computers :-) The names are: Stef, Max, Sergey, Stas, Diman and Igor LG> Is it an office type setting or do you do most of the work from LG> home? We are working at an office, because it is the best place to work as a team and because we are trying to be a bit official :-) LG> - Did you imagine that TB would be this successful? We were sure that any work that is done with care and love should be successful. LG> - Do you have formal training in software Engineering? My University diploma states that I am a specialist in Computer Science, but I think I am a mathematician specialised on Graphs Theory. :-) Max has finished High School and soon went to professional programming. LG> - Did you work for any software companies before you started
IMAP: Importing messages to IMAP mailbox/folder
Hi all, I see that importing mail to an IMAP mailbox/folder leads to the messages being added only to the local cache. Restoring the cache deletes those messages and there doesn't seem to be a way for them to reach the *real* IMAP mailbox/folder unless you import them to a local TB! account and then drag and drop them to the IMAP folder/mailbox. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5 Return RC5 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Don't be so humble, you're not that great. -Golda Meir Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP RC7: Strange Message in IMAP folder
Hello TBBETA, I do have 0 (zero) messages in the "Sent Mail" folder of my IMAP account, but there ist 1 (one) message shown in the preview pane. View: http://www.stdt.de/pics/StrangeImapMessage.jpg (78kb) Strange!?! What went wrong? -- Best regards, Stefan Dorscht mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Written with TheBat! v 3.5 Return RC7 \ Windows XP Service Pack 2 pgpmqw6KMhO3C.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Fwd: IMAP folders on Courier-IMAP
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, David Pascoe wrote... > Can anyone help with some debug settings perhaps ? This problem > persists with 2 IMAP servers, but not with another. > The problem servers are Courier-IMAP, I create new folder using > webmail/IMP but can never see it to subscribe to it. This is at > spamcop.net and my ISP. You might need to open the folder maintenance window, and hit the refresh button a couple of times, if you haven't already that is. I've found TB doesn't seem to automatically respect subscribed folders when they are added. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Reality-ometer: [\] Hmmph! Thought so... pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.03 Beta/47 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Fwd: IMAP folders on Courier-IMAP
On Monday, 26 January 2004, at 00:07:27 [GMT -0600] you wrote: JA> On Sunday, January 25, 2004, David Pascoe wrote... >> The problem servers are Courier-IMAP, I create new folder using >> webmail/IMP but can never see it to subscribe to it. This is at >> spamcop.net and my ISP. JA> You might need to open the folder maintenance window, and hit the JA> refresh button a couple of times, if you haven't already that is. I've JA> found TB doesn't seem to automatically respect subscribed folders when JA> they are added. tried as the first step of course, it makes no difference. davidp. -- David Pascoe, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Western Australia Using The Bat! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.03 Beta/47 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP
Hello Vili, Saturday, May 30, 2009, 1:56:43 PM, you wrote: > I hope, I dont offend anybody. I hope, Ritlabs are reading it too. > Just went thru some mails and I hope I can rationalize why Ritlabs > should work on IMAP. I know you mean well... > The question in my profession is always this: what is the next big > thing? And do that. What is the next big thing for an email client? If > I am hearing right, a reliable, correct IMAP support with the > filtering, etc. of The Bat! would be a big hit. Why? Nu such thing > exists yet. So, if Ritlabs would spend time to do this, that would be ...but I am afraid this analysis is wrong. IMAP, as a selling point, might have been a big thing, but some 5-10 years ago, when email still had value in itself. Now: - kids don't care about email (which tells you a bit about what to expect in the future), - enterprises care about more than just email -- collaboration is important (Outlook+Exchange is going to have an edge over TB! here), Now, it's too late. Ritlabs did not care about it when still had time. Do you think they will change anything now, when it's too late (and they know it)? I doubt it. Don't get me wrong. IMAP *is* important, for power users. This is not the majority of users but still (probably) a viable market share. It's just not the next big thing. The thing is that some people simply stopped waiting (because they understood there's no chance Ritlabs will ever have a working IMAP implementation) and moved on. IMAP makes it easy. You trust your server, you don't care about your client (as long as it works). They still use TB! but as soon as it starts to misbehave they take a different client. Day after day, the change continues to happen. We (this includes me) stopped paying. I don't think Ritlabs cares about it. Many people (who genuinely don't need IMAP or simply zealots) stayed. This is what makes keeping this ghost project alive viable for them (for some more time, at least). In any case, I very much doubt you will ever see a working IMAP implementation in this product. -- Best regards, Robert Tomanekmailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Vili, > The question in my profession is always this: what is the next big > thing? And do that. What is the next big thing for an email client? If > I am hearing right, a reliable, correct IMAP support with the > filtering, etc. of The Bat! would be a big hit. Why? Nu such thing > exists yet. Right, it does not exist. One reason is that it is devilishly hard to do. A number of clients have tried. There was some indication in the Mulberry support list a while back that the people who are responsible for the Imap specification were thinking of revising the standard to make it simpler because so many client and server authors have had so much trouble getting it right. That idea is likely to not get past the daydream stage, says Cyrus Daboo. But I maintain that The Bat Imap is much much better than it was just a few years ago. All that remains of the old quirkiness for me is the occasional Ctrl-c to refresh folder contents. I am a long time intensive Imap user, and I make significant technical demands of my Imap client, but I don't think it is true that there is a herd of languishing Imap users out there dying for a good imap client. A cluster maybe. Far and away, most users use POP, and until ISP email server change, that will be the way it is. Imap remains the domain of institutional email, and that is still the smaller percentage. Actually, the new thing on the email horizon is Webmail, I fear. Young people seem to universally prefer it. Nothing to learn, nothing to fix. It just works, and when it doesn't, somebody else must fix it. Sad to say. > So, if Ritlabs would spend time to do this, that would be > unique. Yeah, postponing is unique I guess, but "who gives a sh.t." > Quote from actual users. They dont use it. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Hi Gleason, >> If I am hearing right, a reliable, correct IMAP support with the >> filtering, etc. of The Bat! would be a big hit. Why? Nu such thing >> exists yet. GP> Right, it does not exist. One reason is that it is devilishly hard to GP> do. If that was true, Thunderbird wouldn't have been able to offer basic, yet reliable IMAP support from the start. In a development time of less then a year a system has been established that outperforms the decades-old TheBat hands down. Where Thunderbird lacks is the user interface, not the behind-the-scenes engine. If you combined Thunderbird's IMAP engine and TheBat's user interface, you would be good to go. So difficulty can't be a factor. If IMAP were prohibitivly difficult, Thunderbird wouldn't have been able to make that glorious a debut. If user interface was a problem, TheBat wouldn't already have it. There are no outside factors preventing RIT from fixing TheBat's IMAP. It is pure choice on their side. The fact that they have chosen to ignore IMAP users can only be a signal that they're not (or no longer) targeting corporate users. No excuses can be made up, it's just that. GP> But I maintain that The Bat Imap is much much better than it was GP> just a few years ago. For one, it could hardly get worse. For second, today other things are failing than a few years ago: Where with earlier versions e.g. the "maintenance center", a seldom used niche function, wasn't working for IMAP, today TheBat stops checking IMAP accounts for new email half way during the day without telling the user so. Written emails are not going out. Mails that are being sent still linger in the outbox afterwards. The new "IMAP threads" freeze the program each time they're executing, so you have to pause in reading (=scrolling) or writing mails. I wouldn't sign your statement. GP> Actually, the new thing on the email horizon is Webmail, I fear. GP> Young people seem to universally prefer it. Nothing to learn, GP> nothing to fix. It just works, and when it doesn't, somebody else GP> must fix it. Yes, I agree with you there. Most users with an "IMAP-demand-profile" are already accustomed to using server-side filtering (no need for TheBat's filtering), being reminded about appointments by the server (no need for TheBat's scheduler), not to have any backup strategy (no need for TheBat's backup mechanism), and to use folders on the server (no need for TheBat's "virtual folders" and stuff.) TheBat is a dinosaur from the POP3 world which lives its last years as a scrapout for private, non mission-critical use. That's why emphasis is being placed on gimcrack like "delayed message sending" these days. There's an additional catch: Private users don't pay for an email program. They either "aquire" it for free, or, if they are unable to, they use the webmail interface that is free. Hence RIT can integrate anti-scanning-engines in TheBat all they like, but they won't make a single additional buck either way. Corporate (or serious private) users are the ones actually paying for programs they use. But in return they demand a reliable product. With TheBat, they're not getting one. RIT's mistake is (or even "has been", who knows how far on that trail they've already gone) to target the wrong customer segment. I wouldn't buy any RIT stock, because it is bound to take a dive in the next few years. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:alto.speckha...@gmx.de TheBat v4.1.11 pgpsaHX8g2m1L.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Hi Robert, RT> Now, it's too late. Ritlabs did not care about it when still had RT> time. Do you think they will change anything now, when it's too RT> late (and they know it)? I doubt it. You said it better than I did. I agree: What we see as incompetence, dishonesty and downright treason against long-time users may actually be resignation by RIT knowing they are fighting a lost war. I think I need to do another test series to see if Outlook really is that bad in daily use. RT> Many people (who genuinely don't need IMAP or simply zealots) RT> stayed. This is what makes keeping this ghost project alive viable RT> for them (for some more time, at least). Not a happy thought. It indeed may be time to move on. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:alto.speckha...@gmx.de TheBat v4.1.11 pgp4eQHMSPkGg.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: IMAP
> You said it better than I did. I agree: What we see as incompetence, > dishonesty and downright treason against long-time users may actually > be resignation by RIT knowing they are fighting a lost war. > > I think I need to do another test series to see if Outlook really is > that bad in daily use. With the recent SP2 performance improvements and Xobni plugin it is perfect for me. The only thing that I'm really missing is NICE threaded view for mailing lists. -- Vilius Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Hello all, Saturday, May 30, 2009, Alto Speckhardt wrote: >>> If I am hearing right, a reliable, correct IMAP support with the >>> filtering, etc. of The Bat! would be a big hit. Why? Nu such thing >>> exists yet. GP>> Right, it does not exist. One reason is that it is devilishly hard to GP>> do. > If that was true, Thunderbird wouldn't have been able to offer basic, > yet reliable IMAP support from the start. In a development time of > less then a year a system has been established that outperforms the > decades-old TheBat hands down. You can not be serious, because Thunderbird is based on code from Mozilla Suite, so Thunderbird had IMAP support from start, but code was 6 years old! I do not know, how hard is to increase stability and interoperability with IMAP servers, which have often problems with IMAP implementation, but agree, this is important and I hope, Ritlabs will be successful. Ritlabs develops own mailserver Batpost and I expect, this knowledge can help to get better IMAP in The Bat! > There are no outside factors preventing RIT from fixing TheBat's IMAP. > It is pure choice on their side. The fact that they have chosen to > ignore IMAP users can only be a signal that they're not (or no longer) > targeting corporate users. No excuses can be made up, it's just that. I do not think, Ritlabs could ever focus to corporate users, because corporate area needs groupware features and I do not expect, TB will be ever groupware product. >From I know from companies, they are requesting calendar support, but not IMAP. This is my experience. What do You think about HTML templates? this is most requested feature here by small companies using OE and Outlook. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.14.2 (RC2) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.6 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Hello all, Saturday, May 30, 2009, Vili wrote: > Email chat, postponed messaging, view modes... They dont sell The > Bat!. The Bat! sales are due for excellent filtering (it seems that we > have problems with this too, now, I am not sure), multiple email > handling, spell checking in multiple languages, templates!, mass > mailing, inventive ideas and sometimes working with Exchange. from I know from users buying licences from us, main advantages they are finding are security, digital signing of emails and now templates with HTML support in v4.1 > The question in my profession is always this: what is the next big > thing? And do that. What is the next big thing for an email client? If > I am hearing right, a reliable, correct IMAP support with the > filtering, etc. of The Bat! would be a big hit. Why? Nu such thing > exists yet. So, if Ritlabs would spend time to do this, that would be > unique. Yeah, postponing is unique I guess, but "who gives a sh.t." > Quote from actual users. They dont use it. I agree that IMAP is important, but from my experience, this is real minority of users compared to POP. > No offense. I try to help as Dieter Hummel tried to help you guys back > in 2001 and 2002. He gave up, I try not to. There is still hope. I > think, some of the guys on this BETA list work hard for you RITLABS, > so they ... (I cant remember the right word here..., "you earned to be > answered to") a straighforward answer from you guys. We are f..king > tired to read always that "after this, after that" we will do this. I agree, that clear roadmap is needed and even there could be many reasons to delay planned features or fixes, this is important. Even I do not use Spyware terminator, I like their clear statement about roadmap for 2009: http://forum.spywareterminator.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=5803 > And those things will never happen. You lose trust and respect. You > lose the good guys and sonner or later all you will have after a beta > release is some "up and running" beta testers. (No offense.) I will be here allways :-) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.14.2 (RC2) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.6 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Hello Marek, Saturday, May 30, 2009, 5:00:04 PM, you wrote: > from I know from users buying licences from us, main advantages they are > finding are security, digital signing of emails and now templates with > HTML support in v4.1 Great. However the problem *we* have here is with advantages users are *not* finding (because they can't). -- Best regards, Robert Tomanekmailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Hi Marek, MM> You can not be serious, because Thunderbird is based on code from MM> Mozilla Suite, so Thunderbird had IMAP support from start, but MM> code was 6 years old! I admit that I'm not all that familiar with how Thunderbird came to be, how much code was taken over from Netscape and how much was newly designed. All I heard was that the code released by Netscape would be so bad that it almost couldn't be used for any new project. From that I assumed that Thunderbird would be to a good degree fresh code instead of old, grown code. In any case, Thunderbird has emerged virtually over night and did many things very right, much better than TheBat in the IMAP department. Additionally, if Thunderbird is indeed based on the open code from Netscape, RIT could have used that code as well. MM> I do not think, Ritlabs could ever focus to corporate users, because MM> corporate area needs groupware features and I do not expect, TB will be MM> ever groupware product. But a full-featured Exchange server is an expensive thing. It also needs to be administered, which is also not too trivial a task. Small to mid-sized companies often don't want to burden themselves, if they happen not to depend much on shared appointments. If I sit next to a guy in the same office, I don't need a groupware application - we pin a calendar to the wall and do our planning there. For everything else shared file folders will do just fine, a Sharepoint server is close to overkill. We still need email, though, and maybe we both need access to the common company email adress. For this task, IMAP is fully sufficient and not oversized either. After all, it can be a form of groupware, too. This could be TheBat's market share: Somewhere between the casual private user, who won't be able to gain from TheBat's advanced features anyway and the large companies for whose there is no alternative to a full-grown groupware system. MM> What do You think about HTML templates? this is most requested feature here MM> by small companies using OE and Outlook. Well, personally I'm a text-only ASCII-hardcore kind of guy. (I started in Fidonet back then, if this gives you any idea. ;-) ) For me different fonts (like the shading TheBat does with the signature) are a luxury and anything graphical or even html in email is devil's work. Even in the office I'm not even using html, I still write plain text emails. I don't know how long I can still keep this up, though. Whether I like it or not, today emails are no longer just carrier of information (as I like to use them) but also a sort of comercial for your interests. Depending on how you use email, the choice may no longer be yours. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:alto.speckha...@gmx.de TheBat v4.1.11 pgpeekL5xdK29.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Hello Alto, Saturday, May 30, 2009, 3:32:39 PM, you wrote: > You said it better than I did. I agree: What we see as incompetence, > dishonesty and downright treason against long-time users may actually > be resignation by RIT knowing they are fighting a lost war. Yeah. The only problem is that it has now become an excuse. Because *now* there are fewer people interested in IMAP than there might have been -- so no need to implement it anymore, right? So what once might have been a decision (or lack thereof), now has become an excuse. What's funny here, is that generally all excuses on IMAP are usually mentioned by, well, "passionate users" always advocating what Ritlabs is doing (or not doing which is, as we learn, also a good thing). Ritlabs do not really comment on that (apart from the traditional "IMAP will be improved in next version" but well, no one treats this seriously, including them, I guess). > I think I need to do another test series to see if Outlook really is > that bad in daily use. I am using it at work. I both have to and I think that there is no other option, really (I need the collaboration functionality). For private email, I don't think it would be suitable for me. -- Best regards, Robert Tomanek mailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
On Saturday, May 30, 2009, 9:50:51 AM, Marek Mikus wrote: > You can not be serious, because Thunderbird is based on code from Mozilla > Suite, so Thunderbird had IMAP support from start, but code was 6 years > old! I don't know or care whether he is right about thunderbird. If it had a decent user interface I might be using it myself. But the rest of what he said is spot on. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
On Saturday, May 30, 2009, 7:39:05 AM, Gleason Pace wrote: > But I maintain that The Bat Imap is much much better than it was just a few > years ago. All that remains of the old quirkiness for me is the > occasional Ctrl-c to refresh folder contents. While I agree that it is better than it once was, I certainly would not classify its major failings as 'quirkiness.' The biggest problem remains message counts. In Vista, the only way to get a current count is to exit and restart. I find myself doing that often. I'm not sure whether it is TBs fault that the server sometimes closes the connection and I have to exit and restart to reconnect, but that happens on xp often. I don't trust TB! to create new folders, but I haven't tried it lately. When we start working on IMAP, I'll get some accounts I can safely experiment on but I screwed up my real account often enough that way in the past I won't risk it there. While TB! continues to suit me better than other apps, partly at least out of habit, if I ever found an app which really handled IMAP well, I'd be gone. If we don't test IMAP, then I might as well just be gone. POP has no attraction to me, and I can't imagine that it is going to do anything in the long run but lose out to IMAP. The more people use their mail on more than one machine, the more they are going to need IMAP or webmail, or something besides POP. There are plenty of others who will be happy to mark all the dates that IMAP has been promised, unless I am the only IMAP hoper left. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
> Yeah. The only problem is that it has now become an excuse. Because > *now* there are fewer people interested in IMAP than there might have > been -- so no need to implement it anymore, right? Then cut it out. But dont have a semiworking IMAP in a program. Server/client support was cut out once, so it can be done. But do that with v5, dont piss off the v4 users. -- Vili The Bat 4.1.11.13 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Hello Vili,
Saturday, May 30, 2009, 1:56:43 PM, you wrote:
> think, some of the guys on this BETA list work hard for you RITLABS,
> so they ... (I cant remember the right word here..., "you earned to be
> answered to") a straighforward answer from you guys. We are f..king
> tired to read always that "after this, after that" we will do this.
I don't know how I could have missed this while reading your message
for the first time -- you hit the nail on the head here!
There's no use whining about IMAP support here on the list because
the only thing you are going to get is another "will be implemented
in next version", if the whining was long and loud enough.
What would really be useful would be a -- let me introduce you to a
completely novel idea, it is going to revolutionize the software
developement world, I am sure -- R-O-A-D-M-A-P otherwise known as a
R-E-L-E-A-S-E P-L-A-N.
Not a relative one ("next version", "after...") but an absolute one
("by next month"). But we are not going to get it. It would be just a
PITA for Ritlabs (an obligation they don't want).
--
Best regards,
Robert Tomanek mailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org
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Re: IMAP
On Sat, 30 May 2009 22:51:23 +0200, Robert Tomanek wrote:
[R-O-A-D-M-A-P aka R-E-L-E-A-S-E P-L-A-N]
>Not a relative one ("next version", "after...") but an absolute one
>("by next month"). But we are not going to get it. It would be just a
>PITA for Ritlabs (an obligation they don't want).
I don't believe Ritlabs have a "plan" let alone any clue which
parts of the source code they will be hacking after next week.
Arjan
--
"Euh... Let's do some... euh... bug fixing?"
--
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: IMAP
On Saturday, May 30, 2009, 7:39:05 AM, Gleason Pace wrote: > But I maintain that The Bat Imap is much much better than it was just a few > years ago. All that remains of the old quirkiness for me is the > occasional Ctrl-c to refresh folder contents. While I agree that it is better than it once was, I certainly would not classify its major failings as 'quirkiness.' The biggest problem remains message counts. In Vista, the only way to get a current count is to exit and restart. I find myself doing that often. I'm not sure whether it is TBs fault that the server sometimes closes the connection and I have to exit and restart to reconnect, but that happens on xp often. I don't trust TB! to create new folders, but I haven't tried it lately. When we start working on IMAP, I'll get some accounts I can safely experiment on but I screwed up my real account often enough that way in the past I won't risk it there. While TB! continues to suit me better than other apps, partly at least out of habit, if I ever found an app which really handled IMAP well, I'd be gone. If we don't test IMAP, then I might as well just be gone. POP has no attraction to me, and I can't imagine that it is going to do anything in the long run but lose out to IMAP. The more people use their mail on more than one machine, the more they are going to need IMAP or webmail, or something besides POP. There are plenty of others who will be happy to mark all the dates that I -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Dwight, > On Saturday, May 30, 2009, 7:39:05 AM, Gleason Pace wrote: >> But I maintain that The Bat Imap is much much better than it was just a few >> years ago. All that remains of the old quirkiness for me is the >> occasional Ctrl-c to refresh folder contents. > While I agree that it is better than it once was, I certainly would > not classify its major failings as 'quirkiness.' The biggest problem > remains message counts. In Vista, the only way to get a current count > is to exit and restart. I find myself doing that often. I'm not sure > whether it is TBs fault that the server sometimes closes the > connection and I have to exit and restart to reconnect, but that > happens on xp often. I don't trust TB! to create new folders, but I > haven't tried it lately. When we start working on IMAP, I'll get some > accounts I can safely experiment on but I screwed up my real account > often enough that way in the past I won't risk it there. And it seems we both use Fastmail, and I have had no problem creating new folders. It is true that TB's folder counts aren't accurate, and TB doesn't report new mail well, but I never need to restart it. I never loose my FM connection unless DSL or FM itself is down. I have found that seeming poor Imap reliability in all email clients has a lot to do with connection configuration. This works for me in TB: both in and out are set to use Secure To Dedicated Port, 465 for in and 993 for out. As for folder counts, I can get good counts with other clients but they are lacking some other things that TB does. There is no such thing as a client that does everything well. I have decided to use Fastcheck to tell me when new mail arrives http://www.fastcheck.org/ regardless of what client I am using. That way, that particular feature can be disregarded in favor of other more important ones when deciding on an email client. > While TB! continues to suit me better than other apps, partly at least > out of habit, if I ever found an app which really handled IMAP well, > I'd be gone. There are others that do a better job. Thunderbird and Becky. But they lack other things, like html handling in replies that are more important for me. > If we don't test IMAP, then I might as well just be gone. POP has no > attraction to me, and I can't imagine that it is going to do anything > in the long run but lose out to IMAP. The more people use their mail > on more than one machine, the more they are going to need IMAP or > webmail, or something besides POP. Don't think so. People mostly use POP because that is what most ISP's provide. That isn't likely to change. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Vili schrieb: I hope, I dont offend anybody. I hope, Ritlabs are reading it too. Just went thru some mails and I hope I can rationalize why Ritlabs should work on IMAP. I dont know how much extra resources, development money you got in Chisinau. If you have plenty, stop reading, and spend time as you wish. If you do need to earn money from The Bat! sales, read on. Email chat, postponed messaging, view modes... They dont sell The Bat!. The Bat! sales are due for excellent filtering (it seems that we have problems with this too, now, I am not sure), multiple email handling, spell checking in multiple languages, templates!, mass mailing, inventive ideas and sometimes working with Exchange. The question in my profession is always this: what is the next big thing? And do that. What is the next big thing for an email client? If I am hearing right, a reliable, correct IMAP support with the filtering, etc. of The Bat! would be a big hit. Why? Nu such thing exists yet. So, if Ritlabs would spend time to do this, that would be unique. Yeah, postponing is unique I guess, but "who gives a sh.t." Quote from actual users. They dont use it. So, the question Ritlabs has to decide: be it a pet project, do what you think is good and needed, or be a corporate project where you satisfy the market. I used to see this and that sometimes, nowadays it all looks like a pet project to me. No offense. I try to help as Dieter Hummel tried to help you guys back in 2001 and 2002. He gave up, I try not to. There is still hope. I think, some of the guys on this BETA list work hard for you RITLABS, so they ... (I cant remember the right word here..., "you earned to be answered to") a straighforward answer from you guys. We are f..king tired to read always that "after this, after that" we will do this. And those things will never happen. You lose trust and respect. You lose the good guys and sonner or later all you will have after a beta release is some "up and running" beta testers. (No offense.) *signed* spoken (written) from the bottom of my heart! regards Christian Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
I just found this trapped in my outbox, so I'm sending it now. On Sunday, May 31, 2009, 11:50:05 AM, Gleason Pace wrote: > And it seems we both use Fastmail, and I have had no problem creating > new folders. my problems in this regard occurred long ago, and I've not tried again since. No point unless we go testing. > It is true that TB's folder counts aren't accurate, and TB doesn't > report new mail well, but I never need to restart it. I never loose > my FM connection unless DSL or FM itself is down. I didn't have those problems either with XP. > I have > found that seeming poor Imap reliability in all email clients has a lot > to do with connection configuration. This works for me in TB: > both in and out are set to use Secure To Dedicated Port, 465 for in > and 993 for out. > As for folder counts, I can get good counts with other clients but > they are lacking some other things that TB does. There is no such > thing as a client that does everything well. I have decided to use > Fastcheck to tell me when new mail arrives > http://www.fastcheck.org/ > regardless of what client I am using. That way, that particular > feature can be disregarded in favor of other more important ones when > deciding on an email client. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 1) Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fastmail IMAP
Hello Tbbeta, I was looking through FastMail's blog this AM and came across the following. http://blog.fastmail.fm/2009/05/01/help-test-proxy-to-improve-imap-performance/ So far using this proxy (mentioned lower in the article) I am seeing the following results. Raw data 202.6 KB Compressed data 21.2 KB Approx 90% savings Not sure how this translates into real world performance, but it is interesting none the less. Also Ritlabs, you may want to look into this and the rest of the article. Seeing as you are looking into IMAP now and want to be on the cutting edge. :>) -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:scu...@mts.net Using The Bat! v4.2.6 On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 4.2.7.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP Synchronization
Hi Everyone, On the new alpha .53, I notice two items: 1. When I go to the "manage IMAP folders" window for my gmail IMAP account to make sure that I have subscribed to all folder (except for "all mail"), the window shows all the Gmail IMAP folders but it does NOT show the Inbox (although mail certainly arrives in my inbox). 2. For the last few messages I have sent out, two copies of each show up in the "sent mail" folder - one of each being a little bigger than its twin by a few bytes. And one of each pair (the one with the larger number of bytes) can't be deleted using the trash can icon. Has anyone ever noticed that? -- Take care, Bob -- "Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me." This is our function, our challenge, our fulfillment - and our inheritance, to accept, embrace and share beyond all manmade boundaries. Using The Bat! 5.0.0.53 ALPHA Windows 7 6.1 build 7600 Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP Software
Hello TBBETA, I am looking to switch e-mail providers and I am wondering if anyone is using Courier IMAP V.4.70. This is the version the new provider is using. If you are using it are you having any issues with the new IMAP implementation in V5. -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:scu...@mts.net Using The Bat! v5.0.0.125 BETA On Windows 7 6.1 Build #7600 Current beta is 5.0.0.125 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP folders
Hello Tbbeta, I'm not sure how long this has been going on, but I do not seem to be able to get my server folders to match my local folders. I always end up with extra Sent and Trash folders which are empty and are not used locally. If I delete them they seem to get recreated. I have selected server folders to use for sent and trash, but I still only use a local folder for Outbox. Anyone else seeing this? -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:scu...@mts.net Using The Bat! v5.0.0.134 BETA On Windows 7 6.1 Build #7600 Current beta is 5.0.0.134 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP synchronisation
Ritlabs, When do you plan on fixing synchronisation? This has not worked for me in any of the 5 series. My mailhost was down today and since the mail was not synchronised, it was unavailable to me. Please fix this NOW. -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 5.0.12.13 (BETA) Pro MyGate, RSS 4 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Fastmail), 1 POP3 MyGate, 350K+ msgs. Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 5.0.14.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP connections
Hi everyone, since I've switched from v5/Release to the current v5.0.26.18 my problems with lost IMAP connections have reduced dramatically. I haven't even had to set the new option "resend IDLE every 30 seconds" in preferences. It has been until today that I again noticed terminated connections, this time with more of an description: !20.12.2011, 14:21:12: IMAP - 10053 Eine bestehende Verbindung wurde softwaregesteuert durch den Hostcomputer abgebrochen (Rough translation: "Existing connection terminated by the host computer") Can anyone tell me what this means? Regards, Alto pgpxro2ghpK83.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.26.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP connections
Hi, I've just had IMAP connection trouble with v5.0.30 again. The log says: !16.01.2012, 11:07:56: IMAP - 10053 Eine bestehende Verbindung wurde softwaregesteuert durch den Hostcomputer abgebrochen !16.01.2012, 11:07:56: IMAP - 10053 Eine bestehende Verbindung wurde softwaregesteuert durch den Hostcomputer abgebrochen !16.01.2012, 11:07:56: IMAP - 10053 Eine bestehende Verbindung wurde softwaregesteuert durch den Hostcomputer abgebrochen !16.01.2012, 11:07:56: IMAP - 10053 Eine bestehende Verbindung wurde softwaregesteuert durch den Hostcomputer abgebrochen !16.01.2012, 11:07:56: IMAP - 10053 Eine bestehende Verbindung wurde softwaregesteuert durch den Hostcomputer abgebrochen !16.01.2012, 11:07:56: IMAP - 10053 Eine bestehende Verbindung wurde softwaregesteuert durch den Hostcomputer abgebrochen !16.01.2012, 11:07:56: IMAP - 10053 Eine bestehende Verbindung wurde softwaregesteuert durch den Hostcomputer abgebrochen !16.01.2012, 11:07:56: IMAP - 10053 Eine bestehende Verbindung wurde softwaregesteuert durch den Hostcomputer abgebrochen !16.01.2012, 11:07:56: IMAP - 10053 Eine bestehende Verbindung wurde softwaregesteuert durch den Hostcomputer abgebrochen 16.01.2012, 11:07:56: IMAP - Connecting to IMAP server imap.gmx.net on port 993 !16.01.2012, 11:07:56: IMAP - 10053 Eine bestehende Verbindung wurde softwaregesteuert durch den Hostcomputer abgebrochen !16.01.2012, 11:08:38: IMAP - Could not connect to the server. Ein Verbindungsversuch ist fehlgeschlagen, da die Gegenstelle nach einer bestimmten Zeitspanne nicht ordnungsgemäß reagiert hat, oder die hergestellte Verbindung war fehlerhaft, da der verbundene Host nicht reagiert hat 16.01.2012, 11:08:43: IMAP - Disconnected 16.01.2012, 11:09:50: IMAP - Connecting to IMAP server imap.gmx.net on port 993 16.01.2012, 11:10:11: IMAP - Initiating TLS handshake >16.01.2012, 11:10:11: IMAP - Certificate S/N: >6DD15FA358D3F64F74363225BC49DF0D, algorithm: RSA (2048 bits), issued from >10/4/2011 to 10/3/2013 11:59:59 PM, for 1 host(s): imap.gmx.net. >16.01.2012, 11:10:11: IMAP - Owner: DE, Bayern, Muenchen, 1&1 Mail & Media >GmbH, GMX, imap.gmx.net. >16.01.2012, 11:10:11: IMAP - Issuer: US, Thawte, Inc., Thawte SSL CA. >16.01.2012, 11:10:11: IMAP - Root: US, thawte, Inc., Certification Services >Division, (c) 2006 thawte, Inc. - For authorized use only, thawte Primary Root >CA 16.01.2012, 11:10:11: IMAP - TLS handshake complete 16.01.2012, 11:10:11: IMAP - Connected to IMAP server (imap.gmx.net) >16.01.2012, 11:10:11: IMAP - IMAP server ready H migmx107 90986 16.01.2012, 11:10:11: IMAP - Authenticating (user: "101356", method: "LOGIN")... 16.01.2012, 11:10:11: IMAP - IMAP server authentication OK, server says "LOGIN completed" After this "pause", TheBat seems to have recovered and all "queued" connections have been served. Regards, Alto pgpT7u034e0VW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.30.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Testing IMAP
Hello Tbbeta, Ok here should be the solution to One problem that nags me since very long. Let me explain: Sure you remember that my postings send from TB! using POP did not reach this list. So what I had to do is to send eMails from the Browser. I didn't like it as I had to manually set (under Settings) the reply-to address. That was very time consuming and if I forgot to remove it when writing to someone else, then this list should have received the answer. Of course it didn't as an error was returned to the sender. So the idea now is to have this account as IMAP (currently parallel with the old POP) and I want to see if I can write to the list. I suppose this works as I am - like using the browser - accessing and sending eMails directly at gMail. Why have I not thought of this solution earlier! Using IMAP allows me now to insert the reply-to very easy and I presume with Macro too. Anyway, if this post arrives to the list please reply as to confirm the arrival. Thank you. -- Best regards, Eddie mailto:50minco...@gmail.com Current beta is 5.0.30.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Testing IMAP
Dear Vilius, --->>> Vilius Šumskas / Tuesday 31. Jan 2012, 02:54:43 Testing IMAP >> Using IMAP allows me now to insert the reply-to very easy and I >> presume with Macro too. > Nor IMAP, nor POP have anything to do with how email is sent. The > error is returned by your SMTP server. I do believe you. Funny is that with another account to other ML I don't face those problems. Fact is, that my postings from my Computer addressing this list did most of the time not making it. Only when I log into my gMail account from browser the postings went through. So yes, it must be Jordan related. >> Anyway, if this post arrives to the list please reply as to confirm >> the arrival. Thank you. Thanks for the posting back -- Eddie Castelli 50minCoach 'Executive Success Solution' == Switzerland: +41-44 586 6362 -=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Current beta is 5.0.30.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Testing IMAP
Dear Roelof, --->>> Roelof Otten / Monday 30. Jan 2012, 23:39:10 Testing IMAP EC>> Using IMAP allows me now to insert the reply-to very easy and I EC>> presume with Macro too. > You don't have to set the reply-to to this list, the list server > does that for you. Ah I didn't know that. So you mean no need to put the "Reply-To"? > BTW Your message reached the list and tose subscribed t it. Thanks! -- best regards | Using The Bat! 5.0.34 Eddie | on Windows XP 5.1 | Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.30.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Testing IMAP
Dear Roelof, --->>> Roelof Otten / Thursday 02. Feb 2012, 13:12:04 Testing IMAP EC>> But if I read properly your words, this only is valid for this list I EC>> presume. So it's a matter of settings. > Currently I'm not subscribed to any lists that don't set the > reply-to themselves and I can't remember being subscribed to any > lists that didn't, so it is fairly common. > However, I know that for some list admins it's a matter of principle > not to alter the messages sent to the list, so you might encounter > those. Thanks Roelof for this update! I haven't know that detail. -- Eddie Castelli 50minCoach 'Executive Success Solution' == Switzerland: +41-44 586 6362 -=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Current beta is 5.0.30.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP Filtering
Title: IMAP Filtering Dear all, I am playing with IMAP again but this time I try to create Filters on TB! that shall be recognized by gMail. Those Filters I see are only stored on my TB! IMAP account but not in my gMail account. Does that mean that creating IMAP filtering is not possible under TB!? -- best regards | Using The Bat! 5.1.6 Eddie | on Windows 7 6.1 | Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP filters
Hello beta testers. I am the only one p*ssed off that IMAP filtering still does not work? , , etc... -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 5.1.2 Pro MyGate, RSS 4 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Fastmail), 1 POP3 MyGate, 350K+ msgs. Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 5.1.6.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP Timeout
Hi TBBETA Seems that I run also into problems with the IMAP timeout. When the timeout time is over I can't access the IMAP server to get or to send mail. So I have to "kill" everything in the connection manager - and then the connection is established again. Not very useful. Or: Is it possible to switch off completely this timeout? -- Best regards, Martin mailto:dagob...@yahoo.com TheBat! 5.3.8.3 (BETA) Pro (no OTFE) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.3.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Maxim, On 19-01-2007 12:10, you wrote in : > If you note that IMAP works somewhat improperly, plese submit bug > reports to the bugtracking server, or add comments to existing > reports. Well, I am pretty sure there's a bug report there for the messed up counts. -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.95.6 Pro MyGate, AVG 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP compressing
I am using IMAP. In options, 'compress all folders on exit' is ticked. However, if one were to browse deleted messages, one would find lots of old messages which have never been compressed away. The one where I looked went all the way back to mid-December. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP issues
Hello Tbbeta, Could you please confirm (or add a note that this bug no longer happen) to the following entries (they have not been updated since 2005): https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3103 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1575 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2260 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1662 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3119 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4237 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4389 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2601 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4518 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2186 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5038 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5130 Thank you! -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.96.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP sync
Newly created IMAP. How can I setup Full message sync for all folders at once? Or do I have to do it one by one? -- Vili The Bat 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current beta is 3.98.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP fixes
Hello Vilius, Thursday, April 12, 2007, 15:37:29, you wrote: >>Indeed. I want IMAP fixes! Please add comments to the IMAP bug at the bugtracking server. If you add comments to the bugs, than we will see that the bugs still exist and can be reproduces, i.e. they are still wanted to be fixed. Somebody have posted here the list of URLs of IMAP bugs at the bugtracker. We would be grateful if you add comments the bugs mentioned in this TBBETA message. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
3.99 - IMAP
Hello tbbeta, Is it just a coincidence or am I, or should I say The Bat!, having a good day. I have had this version running all day and have not had the queue freeze problem even once. I have not seen any mention of changes to IMAP lately, but is it possible fixing something else helped. Or is it just my lucky day? -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.1 On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 3.99.01 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Hello Sean, A reminder of what Sean Rima typed on: Saturday, December 29, 2007 at 15:52:53 GMT + SR> Been away from TheBat! for some time, come back to find that imap SR> is still very poor. Is the v4 series any better? Unfortunately no major changes yet to IMAP. Supposedly once 4 is officially released they will start working on IMAP. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.0.4 (ALPHA) On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Sean, On 29-12-2007 17:09, you wrote in : > So I will have to upgrade to see if it will be fixed. Been going on > for a long time Exactly. I think this is bordering on conning the users. -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.99.3 Pro MyGate, AVG 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Hello all, Saturday, December 29, 2007, Peter Fjelsten wrote: > On 29-12-2007 17:09, you wrote in : >> So I will have to upgrade to see if it will be fixed. Been going on >> for a long time > Exactly. I think this is bordering on conning the users. AFAIK other improvements are waiting for new msgbase index format, which will be introduced in 4.1, so they will not be in 4.0. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.0.4 (ALPHA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Marek, On 29-12-2007 19:43, you wrote in : > AFAIK other improvements are waiting for new msgbase index format, > which will be introduced in 4.1, so they will not be in 4.0. Well, that does not answer why fully working IMAP was not there in 3.0 (as promised) ;-) -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.99.3 Pro MyGate, AVG 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
On Saturday, December 29, 2007, 12:49:53 PM, Peter Fjelsten wrote: > Well, that does not answer why fully working IMAP was not there in > 3.0 (as promised) ;-) The only thing I have encountered that works poorly in IMAP is counting, and I have some quirky outbox issues. I still have better success with it than any of the other clients I've tried. I filter server side so I don't know about filter issues. IMAP could be better, but what we have is not disillusioning to me. -- Dwight A. Corrin 1201 W River Blvd Apt B108 Wichita KS 67203 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.0.4 (ALPHA) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Dwight, On 29-12-2007 20:51, you wrote in : > The only thing I have encountered that works poorly in IMAP is > counting, and I have some quirky outbox issues. I'd say a working remote outbox is a pretty important element? > I filter server side so I don't know about filter issues. I have filter issues. > IMAP could be better, but what we have is not disillusioning to me. Well, we have been promised IMAP in 2 upgrades - and now it's the third time. -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.99.3 Pro MyGate, AVG 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Gleason, On 29-12-2007 19:59, you wrote in : > For me, the new v4 Imap is the very best of any client I have tested. Well, naturally, I cannot comment on this. > Filters work. Not always. > So, the point is that Imap still might not work well for you, but it > is not the case that Rit is conning anybody. I for one have seen TB > Imap go from absolutely unusable to very good over the past few years. I am opposing that we were promised IMAP for version 2. And version3. Basic functionality is still not working. Now we hear that 4.1 will bring the fixes. I think this is conning users. -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.99.3 Pro MyGate, AVG 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Guten Tag Peter Fjelsten, am Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007 um 12:16 schrieben Sie: > I think this is conning users. The correct expression in English should be: "to mess/muck about/around with the users" -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! 4.0.0.4 (ALPHA) Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Gleason, On 30-12-2007 15:56, you wrote in : >> Well, naturally, I cannot comment on this. > You could try the others to see how well they do. >>> Filters work. >> Not always. > Nothing is always. TB is quite reliable. >>> So, the point is that Imap still might not work well for you, but it >>> is not the case that Rit is conning anybody. I for one have seen TB >>> Imap go from absolutely unusable to very good over the past few years. >> I am opposing that we were promised IMAP for version 2. And version3. >> Basic functionality is still not working. Now we hear that 4.1 will >> bring the fixes. >> I think this is conning users. > I have not seen a promise that 4.1 will do Imap the way you like it. > It seems a common pattern in the world of software, especially email > software, to bring out a feature and spend some years perfecting it. > What I see is that TB's Imap, at long last, does work pretty well, but > Eudora, Pegausus, Pocomail still do not. Courier is still far behind > the flock, promising to catch up some day, and Thunderbird is more > complete than Courier, but still some years behind in features. There > are others, but none are better than these. -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.99.3 Pro MyGate, AVG 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Peter, On 01-01-2008 20:58, you wrote in : > Gleason, > On 30-12-2007 15:56, you wrote in : >>> Well, naturally, I cannot comment on this. >> You could try the others to see how well they do. >>>> Filters work. >>> Not always. >> Nothing is always. TB is quite reliable. Well, this (unfinished) message illustrates my point pretty well. Remote mailbox. Parked message now sent. 'nuff said. -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.99.3 Pro MyGate, AVG 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
> Now go have a look at Pocomail's Imap. I went over to Poco mail - and came back. There is so much stuff I do that Poco couldn't. Forwarding an email with attachment and the attachments weren't included. Redirecting something with a background and the text was gone. It's a great program and fairly powerful but it definately has limitations. -- Rick The Bat Version 4.0.0.6 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Gleason, On 02-01-2008 19:55, you wrote in : > Now go have a look at Pocomail's Imap. Why should I? I have not paid for Pocomail. I never have problems with Outlook. If it is too hard to implement IMAP, then don't. Otherwise tell users that TB IMAP will only work 80% - instead of promising IMAP _twice_. First they told us it would be there that it will be there (version 2) - and then for a second time - that _now_ it will really work (version 3). Now they want us to do this again (version 4.1). Anyway, EOD, since we're not getting anywhere. -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.99.3 Pro MyGate, AVG 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Gleason, On 02-01-2008 21:03, you wrote in : > Because I heard you accusing TB of ripping people off. If somebody > gets the prize for making a big splash, doing little to fix anything, > and fading away with people's money, it has to be Slaven Radich. Irrelevant. >> I never have problems with >> Outlook. > But Outlook is not the program that TB is either, is it? Have you > made a list of the things that TB does in the way of mail handling > that Outlook does not? > Virtual folders Outlook 2007 has it. > Color groups And this. > View mode And this. > etc. Again, we were talking about IMAP, and how "hard" it is. > And if you have bought all the MS Office versions since 97, how much > have you paid? Nothing. I use it at work. -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.99.3 Pro MyGate, AVG 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Hi Gleason, On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:18:10 -0500 UTC (1/2/2008, 2:18 PM -0500 UTC my time), Gleason Pace wrote: >> Again, we were talking about IMAP, and how "hard" it is. G> But yes, Imap is a difficult protocol, and it looks to me like Rit gets G> the prize for sticking to the task of producing an email client that does G> a respectable job of navigating it. right... just like I *still* have to clear cache because TB! can't read the message body on mail. this still persists after 2 years of TB! IMAP. I never have to jump through hoops to read IMAP mail, and never get this from any other email client, T-Bird, Mulberry, Mutt, Pine, Outlook, and the client list goes on. Oh ya, Outlook and Mutt allow you to edit/change the message body of any email in any folder. -- Gary Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Gleason, On 02-01-2008 21:18, you wrote in : >>> Because I heard you accusing TB of ripping people off. If somebody >>> gets the prize for making a big splash, doing little to fix >>> anything, and fading away with people's money, it has to be Slaven >>> Radich. >> Irrelevant. > If your claim is irrelevant, perhaps you will tire of making it. Your comparison to some other software is irrelevant as I have not paid for the other software to get a working IMAP client. >> Again, we were talking about IMAP, and how "hard" it is. > You were, after you changed the topic which was whether Rit was > ripping people off. It's still the same topic for me. RitLabs has promised IMAP several times and there are still significant bugs. I have upgraded 2 times on the promise of (better) IMAP and now RitLabs wants my money a 3. time in order to deliver what they promised the first time. You don't see anything wrong with that? >>> And if you have bought all the MS Office versions since 97, how much >>> have you paid? >> Nothing. I use it at work. > But it is a little pricey for home work, isn't it? You don't seem to get that my issue is that RitLabs have taken my money 2 times for the "IMAP" feature and now they want it a third time - for that same feature. -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.99.3 Pro MyGate, AVG 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Hello, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 4:52:53 PM, you wrote: > Been away from TheBat! for some time, come back to find that imap is > still very poor. Is the v4 series any better? As many people have noticed, despite it being promised multiple times, IMAP support has never really been delivered. What we have now is some kind of quick patch which tries to use IMAP server as if it was a POP3 one (fun to watch how it behaves with larger mailboxes, several tens of thousands messages). Basic functionality is unstable (message counters, refreshing, basic operations on large batches of data) or outright buggy. The Bat! is unusable as an IMAP client in its current state. I use it only as a dumb browser, moving more and more functionality to the server side. Example: filters; I went for Sieve filtering since in The Bat! it was unusable: exactly the same filter worked on one PC but did not work on another one. I am not even mentioning 'advanced' IMAP features like keywords, etc. I am writing this just to voice my (any many other people's) opinion, especially that I see there are some claims that The Bat!'s IMAP support is complete and working. This is not true. I fail to see why some people try to defend it, no matter whether it makes sense or not; make false claims like 'filtering works' (hint: if it worked for you, it does not mean it works for everybody); I just want to say that IMAP is completely broken in The Bat! Ritlabs' promises have not been forgotten, though I sincerely doubt they will ever make IMAP support better. They had many chances for doing so but they never succeeded or at least showed reasonable interest in it. Now they even stopped promising... To sum it up: as for me, I have lost any hope in this regard. I think no one should be expecting IMAP support in The Bat! in forseeable future. Sadly, this applies to other things too, like proper quality control (I've never seen that many bugs, especially regressions which should be easy to check, in any other piece of software); I am currently only upgrading because I hope the next version will be less buggy. P.S.: My first post here, hello to everyone... -- Best regards, Robert Tomanek mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
> > Peter, > > > > You don't seem to get that my issue is that RitLabs have taken my money > > 2 times for the "IMAP" feature and now they want it a third time - for > > that same feature. > > I haven't seen any promise that 4.1 will do Imap the way you like. I use Fastmail, which I notice you do. With TheBat I cannot get mail. TheBat shows that I have unread mail but never shoes which folder or sub folder has the unread mail. With over 50 directories it is a lot of work to find it Sean -- Sean Thawte, GSWoT and CaCert WOT Assurer I believe that every human has a finite number of heartbeats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises. - Neil Armstrong Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Hi Gleason, On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:20:13 -0500 UTC (1/2/2008, 3:20 PM -0500 UTC my time), Gleason Pace wrote: >> right... just like I *still* have to clear cache because TB! can't read >> the message body on mail. this still persists after 2 years of TB! >> IMAP. G> I haven't seen this problem in ages. I see you don't show the version G> you are using in your sig. Obviously the latest alpha, although this goes back the very first IMAP version, so does it matter? "It ain't fixed", like several other IMAP problems that have been discussed. G> If I were still seeing this problem long after others no longer are, I G> would wonder what I was doing wrong, or maybe corrupted message base? G> Time to think. Look Mr. Time to Think. I build email / IMAPS / DNS servers for a living. Get it, I do it professionally, Over the many years, I have built every IMAP server out there. I don't have to think, I know. I am not tied to any one IMAP server, as many of you are with Fastmail or whomever you choose to use for IMAP. TB! can only cause a corrupted client side cache, that's what I am talking about that's why you have to clear the client side cache. I don't have this with any other client. There is no "corrupted message base" (server side) as you call it. I never build IMAP servers to use mbox formats just maildir format... one message each file, not spooled (1 file, all mail) as in mbox format (so you don't have to look up what I am talking about.) -- Gary Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Hello Peter, PF> I never have problems with Outlook. Me neither. But then again, the only thing I use it for, is for transferring data between my PIM on PC and my PDA. It's really great for that purpose! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.0.0.6 (ALPHA) MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 12:16:52) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Mark, On 02-01-2008 22:56, you wrote in : PF>> I never have problems with Outlook. > Me neither. > But then again, the only thing I use it for, is for transferring data between > my PIM on PC and my PDA. It's really great for that purpose! Well, I use it mainly for the calendar/scheduling at work (and synchronising with my phone). I primarily use TB for mail there (Exchange via IMAP as the sig says - TB's "Exchange" protocol is useless for me). -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.99.3 Pro MyGate, AVG 12 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 1 POP3 MyGate, 300K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
> > Sean, > > > >> > You don't seem to get that my issue is that RitLabs have taken my money > >> > 2 times for the "IMAP" feature and now they want it a third time - for > >> > that same feature. > >> > >> I haven't seen any promise that 4.1 will do Imap the way you like. > > > I use Fastmail, which I notice you do. With TheBat I cannot get > > mail. TheBat shows that I have unread mail but never shoes which > > folder or sub folder has the unread mail. With over 50 directories > > it is a lot of work to find it > > And I am not seeing this problem. That usually rates a "not > confirmed" around here. > Others have seen it. Sean -- Sean Thawte, GSWoT and CaCert WOT Assurer I believe that every human has a finite number of heartbeats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises. - Neil Armstrong Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Just tried to send an image to the list showing that thebat showes no imap mail when in fact there is unread mail. Now I have an image of showing the folder list with it showing unread mail but not which folder What can i do to show this happens as it is a pain it is similar to: Inbox 0 (4) 15 (932) | |+ |+ Ritlabs 0 (1)0 (152) |+-tbbeta 46 tbbeta infact has the unread mail Sean -- Sean Thawte, GSWoT and CaCert WOT Assurer I believe that every human has a finite number of heartbeats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises. - Neil Armstrong Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
On Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 3:54:17 PM, Gary wrote: > I don't have to think, I know. says it all -- Dwight A. Corrin 1201 W River Blvd Apt B108 Wichita KS 67203 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.0.6 (ALPHA) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Hi Sean Rima, On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:02:59 GMT Sean Rima <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just tried to send an image to the list showing that thebat showes no > imap mail when in fact there is unread mail. Now I have an image of > showing the folder list with it showing unread mail but not which folder > > What can i do to show this happens as it is a pain > > it is similar to: > > Inbox 0 (4) 15 (932) > | > |+ > |+ Ritlabs 0 (1) 0 (152) > |+-tbbeta 46 > > tbbeta infact has the unread mail > Added to bugtrack https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6620 with piccies Sean -- Sean Thawte, GSWoT and CaCert WOT Assurer I believe that every human has a finite number of heartbeats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises. - Neil Armstrong pgp11Q8Vi9scM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Hi Gleason Pace, On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:12:30 -0500 Gleason Pace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alto, > > GP>> The thing that amazes me is that people can continue to argue that TB > GP>> Imap does not work while so many of us here attest otherwise. > > > A matter of usage behaviour, I suppose. If I start TheBat at nine in > > the morning and at ten have to discover that it's not like nobody > > would have sent me any mail in the meantime but that TheBat's joblist > > has frozen and is simply not collecting the new mail already piling up > > in my account, for me that's the definition of "not usable". If I have > > to discover days after answering some mails that my answers in fact > > hadn't been sent as directed but are still lingering in the out > > folder, that also constitutes "not usable". > > > Other people may have other definitions. > > No, other people have at least that definition. Even Thunderbird can > do that much. TB users (like me) usually have a number of other > message handling requirements. What we are having trouble expressing > effectively is that TB meets all those requirements. > > Usually a person who is getting a behavior from their software that > other users don't...usually that person would wonder about conditions > on their computer and not condemn the software as unusable. > I have wondered if it was a condition here but as both Thunderbird and Becky email display imap correctly then the problem with TheBat must solely lay with thebat, cannot be a condition on my computer Sean pgpJl6cnAqUrc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
> Added to bugtrack https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6620 with > piccies https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4880 -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Hi, > On Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 3:54:17 PM, Gary wrote: >> I don't have to think, I know. > says it all You should not take someones thoughts out of the context. I'm with Gary here. We, the admins and IT pros, KNOW how IMAP works. And you know what? There is *nothing* special about it. It's not a rocket science. Without IMAP extensions it can be easily implemented as fast as in 3-4 months time by the group of 5 students. I KNOW that because I've DONE IT during couple of my projects. As for TB's! IMAP most of the problems are related due to the fact that it was written like a wrapper to POP3. IMAP just doesn't work that way and never will. If I were a product manager at RitLabs I've done one of the things: a) Split POP3 and IMAP TB! into two separate products. POP3 version with all the advanced filters, virtual folders, etc. into one. And IMAP version with simple IMAP, sync properties on every folder, server side outbox, etc. into another. This way programmers will not have to deal with such tasks as "combine IMAP syncronization with advanced regexp filters". Most of the IMAP users doesn't use them anyway. b) Limit some of the client side functionality depending on the protocol you use. This gives same advantages as above. Of course RitLabs will never admit that they just failed to deliver what was promised 5 years ago. They will keep changing GUI and charging for "new redesigned look of the product", but below that, it's the same rotten courpse of what they call "engine". I don't know who runs that company, but this is just plain wrong even for me, guy from post-Soviet country. -- Vilius Šumskas LNK TV IT manager http://www.lnk.lt Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
Hello Vilius, Thursday, January 3, 2008, 6:40:27 PM, you wrote: VŠ> If I were a product manager at RitLabs I've VŠ> done one of the things: VŠ> a) Split POP3 and IMAP TB! into two separate products. POP3 version VŠ> with all the advanced filters, virtual folders, etc. into one. --8<-- That would be a rather silly solution, unless you were a product manager of the division "unsellable products" :-) VŠ> b) Limit some of the client side functionality depending on the VŠ> protocol you use. This gives same advantages as above. Could be a solution if it is really possible. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.0.0.6 (ALPHA) MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 8:26:43) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
On 1/3/2008, Gleason wrote: > Actually, what I see is that not one email client developer has done > a good complete job of implementing Imap, as easy as you say it is. > TB has come closest. Actually, this is not correct. Mulberry is by far the best, most complete, and most capable IMAP client. Unfortunately, it has an outdated GUI and complex configuration. I, personally, have fairly good luck with TB's IMAP but I do everything server-side. My complaints about IMAP, however, are reflected by most everyone else's: odd message counts, improper display of deleted messages, and so forth. I will not, however, buy the next version of TB until it has proven IMAP improvements. -- :R. Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
On 1/3/2008, Gleason wrote: > For me, complete includes things that Mulberry does not do, such as > better than primitive html/graphics handling, notes attached to > messages. And Mulberry does have performance issues too. No, MB > doesn't make the cut. The issues you point out have nothing to do with its ability to handle IMAP (and, as far as I know, the performance issues stem mainly from not being multithreaded but I could be wrong on that). In strictly discussing which e-mail client has the best IMAP handling, Mulberry is it. If you expand it to include a host of other things, such as what you've mentioned, then, you're right, MB doesn't make the cut. It's those reasons why I, too, no longer use Mulberry. TB's IMAP may be lacking but it makes up for it in a ton of other ways and, like most people, I keep my fingers crossed that one day IMAP will be truly addressed in The Bat!. -- :R. Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Imap
On Thursday, January 3, 2008, 3:56:28 PM, Gleason Pace wrote: > And Mulberry does have performance issues too. and it was not commercially sustainable. -- Dwight A. Corrin 1201 W River Blvd Apt B108 Wichita KS 67203 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.0.6 (ALPHA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP Errors
Hello TB, Just came across this interesting graph that my ISP provides on one of my accounts. Interesting!! -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.20 On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600<> Current beta is 4.0.18.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Hello all, Tuesday, July 1, 2008, Vili wrote: > So, when will Ritlabs finish working on these nuances (QT, etc.) and > focus on IMAP? I do not think, there will be nuances in templates system only, but agree, IMAP must be focused. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.24.24 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 2.8.1.1 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.0.24.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Hello Vili, Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 1:56:05 PM, you wrote: > So, when will Ritlabs finish working on these nuances (QT, etc.) and > focus on IMAP? I wish they would soon, there are problems, wrong counts etc but nothing is every done. TBH, I cannot see that it would be a major job Sean -- Thawte, GSWoT and CaCert WOT Assurer I believe that every human has a finite number of heartbeats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises. - Neil Armstrong pgpL0RIVPwTS2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Vili, On 01-07-2008 15:35, you wrote in : > It is like washing a car while you have a > broken engine... Yes, it will be shinier, but should not we repair the > engine first??? Very good analogy. -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 4.0.20.4 Pro MyGate, AVG 12 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 1 POP3 MyGate, 300K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.24.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Hello Vili, Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 2:35:03 PM, you wrote: >>> So, when will Ritlabs finish working on these nuances (QT, etc.) and >>> focus on IMAP? >> I do not think, there will be nuances in templates system only, but agree, >> IMAP must be focused. > Sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant, that for me, QT was good as > it was (ok, now better), so first the real problematic areas should be > targeted, including IMAP. It is like washing a car while you have a > broken engine... Yes, it will be shinier, but should not we repair the > engine first??? Wish I had thought of that way of putting it Sean Using 4.0.24.25 on Windows Vista -- Thawte, GSWoT and CaCert WOT Assurer I believe that every human has a finite number of heartbeats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises. - Neil Armstrong smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 4.0.24.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP update
Hello, Can someone from Rit update us on where IMAP rewrite is? -- Best Regards, Vilius Šumskas LNK TV IT manager http://www.lnk.lt Current beta is 4.0.34.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
multiple imap
I have 4 imap accounts. I find that I get the best performance if I portion the 10 connections allowed for an imap account between them. Should this be necessary? The option to not connect and synchronize at startup doesn't seem to have any effect. If the 4 accounts have more than 10 connections between them, the program is able to connect to only one account when the program starts, TB decides the other three servers have terminated the connection, and the associated tasks disappear from the Connection Center. At the next periodic check, TB is able to connect to the other 3 and perform normally from that point. -- Gleason Using 4.0.34.16 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.34.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP Search...
Hi, Seems IMAP searching is still flaky at best. It also seems to have an issue with timeouts. If the connection timesout while requesting the search data, it never reconnects. You have to manually force a connection, at which point it starts the search again. After a predetermined time, TB disconnects again. Now for the unusual bit... I hit search again, and I then get a timer scrolling along at the bottom that wasn't there the first 3 attempts, however the search results are incomplete. I did a search in my TBBETA archives in the body for "a.htm". It returned 3 results. So I enabled the protocol logging option, and I hit the start button a few times, nothing appeared in the log, but everything else was being logged just fine... So what is going on there? So I hit search a few more times, still nothing being logged. Does this go to reflex that the Search feature is not working at all, or limited to checking only the local cache? Or does it suggest that somewhere along the way, the Search dialog just forgot to ask the IMAP server? -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Beer: So much more than a breakfast drink. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP?
On Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 5:46:33 AM [GMT -0500], Tony Boom wrote: > Allie, is it safe to try IMAP yet? > Off to see a Meatloaf show later so I may try it > tomorrow... After the GP that is and also if you think > it's safe to dip a toe in the turbulent waters of IMAP. You could give it a go since I'm using it here quite comfortably. The things that are in my way now aren't IMAP specific as far as I can tell, though the non-responding attachments button may be an IMAP thing. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) -=-=- Oxymoron: Sharp Cookie. pgp2sExTnklg1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP?
On Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 6:50:27 AM [GMT -0500], Allie_M wrote: > You could give it a go since I'm using it here quite > comfortably. The things that are in my way now aren't IMAP > specific as far as I can tell, though the non-responding > attachments button may be an IMAP thing. Oh. I forgot that a particularly annoying problem that still occurs here is the loading of an incorrect message body for a selected message. Reloading the message cures this, but at times, you don't even realize that you're reading the wrong message body until you realize that your original thinking that you're reading duplicates may be wrong and you check things more closely. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) -=-=- Why doesn't DOS ever say Excellent command or filename! pgpp86OyfLvfX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP?
Hello Tony, Saturday, March 5, 2005, 11:46:33 AM, you wrote: TB> Allie, is it safe to try IMAP yet? TB> Off to see a Meatloaf show later so I may try it tomorrow.. You're concerned wether it is safe to use TB's IMAP, but meanwhile, at your not-so-young-age, are going to attend a Meatloaf show without any (at least mentioned or noticeable) precautions??!! Very strange. Must be your Klingon descent! :-) Hope you enjoyed it, though. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.0.2.10 MyMacros 1.11 Useless Macro Collection 1.8.845 beta zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 4:50:58) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP?
Hello Allie, A reminder of what Allie Martin typed on: March 5, 2005 at 06:50:27 GMT -0500 AM> You could give it a go since I'm using it here quite AM> comfortably. The things that are in my way now aren't IMAP AM> specific as far as I can tell, though the non-responding AM> attachments button may be an IMAP thing. The non-responding attachments button is not just in IMAP. I'm glad to see someone else mention it as I thought it was just me. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
