Re: Removing brackets from forwards?? Stupid newbie question. :)

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Newsacct,

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003 at 08:30 GMT -0500, Newsacct [N] pressed
random keys until the following was produced:

N> Well,  does  the %text remove the >s from the message? I mean, if they
N> are  already  in  the  original  text?  I  didn't think it did that. I
N> thought  that was good for replying without using the >s but I need to
N> remove ones that are already there.

Strangely enough, looking through my quick templates, it appears I
have a recursive template that can be easily adapted to do the job.  I
won't bore the rest of this list with the details, but if there is
interest expressed on TBTECH, I can post it there.

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Re: Printing header template

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Nick,

An archeological dig discovered that on Wednesday, March 5, 2003 at
11:51 GMT +, Nick Dutton [ND] chiseled the following:

ND> It appears to my untrained eye that print_recipient is failing to
ND> call print_recipient2 for some reason.

Hmm, the templates should work.  Of course, should and do are
sometimes mutually exclusive.

ND> Any ideas?  Should we take this discussion elsewhere?

Why don't you post the templates you have pasted (ie the ones
currently in your TB) on TBTECH.

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Changing name of sender

[Jeanny House]

Apologies if this has been asked and answered before.

My mom doesn't use her name when she emails, just her email address.
However, I'd like to have her name show up in the "From" instead of
her email address.  Is there any way to do a filter that would make
that happen and then still sort it into the "Mom" file?

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Re:

[Tom Sadler]

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Gi'day Thomas,

It   is  established  that  on  Thursday,  6  March  2003,  at  09:20:07[GMT
+0700](which was 1:20 PM where I live) you wrote:

> If NOD32 (which gets the most praise on this list) offers a trial
> period, I am willing to look into it. Does it?

Check   out  http://www.nod32.com.au/nod32/download/trial.htm  This  is  the
Australian  site,  and  no  doubt  the  other  sites around the world have a
similar page.

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Re[2]: Antivirus

[rick]

Hello Thomas,

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 9:20:07 PM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Melissa,

TF> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:43:38 -0800 GMT (06/03/03, 03:43 +0700 GMT),
TF> Melissa Reese wrote:

>> I'm all for good freeware programs (and thankful to the generous
>> programmers who offer them), but I'm also happy to pay for software if
>> I feel it will do a better job than competing freeware (perhaps
>> especially with regards to security software). There are free email
>> clients out there. Why do we happily pay for TB!?

TF> Because we get a 30-day trial period.

TF> I am using PC-Cillin, and while I am quite happy with it, it does not
TF> reliably catch viruses that are in attached files when downloading
TF> mails.

PC-Cillin is not very good.  Independent testing done by virus
bulletin clearly shows this.  It has 4 passes and 7 failures.
http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archives/products.xml?trend.xml

trend micro makes pc-cillin.



TF> If NOD32 (which gets the most praise on this list) offers a trial
TF> period, I am willing to look into it. Does it?

yes it does.

trial version may be obtained here.
http://www.nod32.com/download/trial.htm

also if you wish to look at the succes as verified by virus bulletin
then go here.
http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archives/products.xml?eset.xml

21 passes and only 3 failures. Simply the best. Beats norton.

TF> One question to those people who said ion an earlier thread they don't
TF> use virus scanners but rely on "common sense": how do you tell whether
TF> a .doc file has a macro virus if you don't use a virus scanner? Do you
TF> open the file in hex editor and scan with your eyes? If so, I admire
TF> you if you can spot the code faster than a virus scanner. In fact, I
TF> think you could make a lot of money on TV shows like "Ripley's Believe
TF> it or not". ;-)


LOL. I totally agree with you. These same people would probably try to
sell you some prime beach front property in florida at low tide.



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Re:

[Tom Sadler]

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Gi'day David,

It   is  established  that  on  Thursday,  6  March  2003,  at  19:27:08[GMT
- -0500](which was 11:27 AM where I live) you wrote:

> I'm using Windows Privacy Tray with GnuPG instead of GPGShell.  What's GPGShell like?

Six  of one, half a dozen of the other as far as I know. They do pretty much
the  same  thing.  It's  really a personal preference issue. Check it out at
http://www.jumaros.de/rsoft/gpgshell.htm if you wish.

Just  a  note.  You've  included  your email address in your signature. This
opens you up to harvesting by spammers. I suggest you remove it from mailing
to this list.

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Re: Antivirus

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Melissa,

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:43:38 -0800 GMT (06/03/03, 03:43 +0700 GMT),
Melissa Reese wrote:

> I'm all for good freeware programs (and thankful to the generous
> programmers who offer them), but I'm also happy to pay for software if
> I feel it will do a better job than competing freeware (perhaps
> especially with regards to security software). There are free email
> clients out there. Why do we happily pay for TB!?

Because we get a 30-day trial period.

I am using PC-Cillin, and while I am quite happy with it, it does not
reliably catch viruses that are in attached files when downloading
mails. So, I manually save every attachment that might contain a virus
(including, for example, .doc and .xls files from friends), and that
action would trigger the realtime scan. But then, I am using PCC6
(1999) and the latest version is PCC2003, so this problem might have
been addressed on any one of the pay-for updates in the past 4 years.

If NOD32 (which gets the most praise on this list) offers a trial
period, I am willing to look into it. Does it?

One question to those people who said ion an earlier thread they don't
use virus scanners but rely on "common sense": how do you tell whether
a .doc file has a macro virus if you don't use a virus scanner? Do you
open the file in hex editor and scan with your eyes? If so, I admire
you if you can spot the code faster than a virus scanner. In fact, I
think you could make a lot of money on TV shows like "Ripley's Believe
it or not". ;-)

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Re: Antivirus

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Melissa,

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:57:14 -0800 GMT (06/03/03, 02:57 +0700 GMT),
Melissa Reese wrote:

> Actually, no anti-virus will catch any "virii", because "virii" isn't
> even a word.  :-)  "Viruses" is the proper plural form of "virus".

Thank you! On this list I was starting to get the feeling I am the
only one who uses "viruses" as the plural of virus. I didn't want to
say anything, not being a native speaker and all, but I have now
bookmarked those webpages. ;-)

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Re: Weirdness

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David Calvarese [DC] wrote:

DC> I'm using the one without proportionate fonts. I've noticed it does
DC> usually do it when I have incoming message.

Ok. It could be related to the choice of viewers. I've been using
the rich text viewer for a while and haven't noted the problem.

I must also admit that this may be an incorrect association. I
browse most of my mail using the ticker virtual folder or view
folder windows. These may have a lot to do with why I'm not noting
the problem.

Anyway, this is a know problem that I'm pretty sure has been
reported to Ritlabs on more than one occasion.

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Re: Antivirus

[Mike Alexander]

Hi David,

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 7:15:07 PM, you wrote:

DC> Hello All,

DC>   Got another question,  What Antivirus works really well with TB!?

 Norton or AVG. Personally, I prefer Norton as I find it's more
 thorough. But this is personal experience (though I have been part of
 an organization which did testing to find the most accurate solution
 - we came up with Norton and Sophos). In the end though, it's
 personal choice, and you'll get as many opinions as there are users.


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Re: Weirdness

[David Calvarese]

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 On Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 20:56:00GMT -0500 (which was 8:56 PM where I live)
  Allie Martin wrote and made these points on the subject of "Weirdness":
AM> David Calvarese [DC] wrote:

DC>> I've got a strange bit of weirdness going on in TB! It seems that at
DC>> random times when I'm reading a message, all the text will disappear
DC>> and show me just a plain white message screen. Only way to get it
DC>> back is to move away from the message (backwards or forwards) or
DC>> close and reopen it. It does it on the machine listed below as well
DC>> as my WinXP machine.

AM> This is an old problem and tends to be triggered by incoming
AM> messages being added to the folder which you're currently browsing.

AM> I haven't had the problem in a long time. It does seem to be
AM> sporadic.

AM> Are you using the rich text viewer or the plain text viewer?


I'm using the one without proportionate fonts.  I've noticed it does
usually do it when I have incoming message.

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Re: Weirdness

[Allie Martin]

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David Calvarese [DC] wrote:

DC> I've got a strange bit of weirdness going on in TB! It seems that at
DC> random times when I'm reading a message, all the text will disappear
DC> and show me just a plain white message screen. Only way to get it
DC> back is to move away from the message (backwards or forwards) or
DC> close and reopen it. It does it on the machine listed below as well
DC> as my WinXP machine.

This is an old problem and tends to be triggered by incoming
messages being added to the folder which you're currently browsing.

I haven't had the problem in a long time. It does seem to be
sporadic.

Are you using the rich text viewer or the plain text viewer?

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Re: filter whoes

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Luc,

@6-Mar-2003, 01:18 +0100 (00:18 UK time) Luc [L] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

L> Straight from the help file:

L> Any text containing the special characters mentioned above,
L> must be enclosed in single quotes, like this:
L> '["New" generation mailing list]'

Yes, but *not* when you've ask TB to treat the string as a Regular
expression!

RO>> Also you've enabled regular expressions, why?

L> Oops, standard practice from home :-). But i didn't think that
L> would have an influence: i thought that setting only would kick
L> in if regex were used.

It makes a huge difference if you're going to start using special
characters. The pipe (|) "OR" expression means the same in Regex
*but* works differently. The single quotes suddenly become literal
because you've turned on Regex. That's the entire reason your
filters don't work.

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Re: OpenPGP versions

[David Calvarese]

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 On Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 08:14:27GMT +1100 (which was 4:14 PM where I live)
  Tom Sadler wrote and made these points on the subject of "OpenPGP versions":
TS> Gi'day David,

TS> It   is  established  that  on  Thursday,  6  March  2003,  at  13:35:53[GMT
TS> - -0500](which was 5:35 AM where I live) you wrote:

TS> I've  been  using  GnuPG  and GPGShell with no problems whatsoever. I'm also
TS> using  a  program called GPGrelay (http://sites.inka.de/tesla/gpgrelay.html)
TS> that  you  may  also  be  interested  in.  It automates the whole process of
TS> encrytion/decryption etc and also adds PGP/MIME which The Bat sadly lacks. I
TS> have  had no problems with this program either. But it is not recommended if
TS> many  people  have  access  privileges  to  your  computer - see website for
TS> details.

I'm not sure if I have a need for PGP/MIME...

I'm using Windows Privacy Tray with GnuPG instead of GPGShell.  What's GPGShell like?


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Re: filter whoes

[Luc]

 Hello Roelof,
  
It was foretold that on 5-3-2003 @ 23:19:38 GMT+0100 (which was
23:19:38 where I live) Roelof Otten would mumble:
  

RO> Well, I think so misread the help there, there's no need for them.

Straight from the help file:

Any text containing the special characters mentioned above, must be enclosed in single 
quotes, like this:
'["New" generation mailing list]'

RO> Also you've enabled regular expressions, why?

Oops, standard practice from home :-). But i didn't think that would
have an influence: i thought that setting only would kick in if regex
were used.

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Re: filter whoes

[Luc]

 Hello Marcus,
  
It was foretold that on 5-3-2003 @ 22:52:04 GMT+0100 (which was
22:52:04 where I live) Marcus Ohlström would mumble:
  

MO> Do you have any other filter above that acts on the message?
  
 Nope
 
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Weirdness

[David Calvarese]

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Hello All,

  I've got a strange bit of weirdness going on in TB!  It seems that at
  random times when I'm reading a message, all the text will disappear
  and show me just a plain white message screen.  Only way to get it
  back is to move away from the message (backwards or forwards) or close
  and reopen it.  It does it on the machine listed below as well as my
  WinXP machine.

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Re: Antivirus

[David Calvarese]

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 On Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 23:14:56GMT + (which was 6:14 PM where I live)
  Martin Webster wrote and made these points on the subject of "Antivirus":
MW> Hello Robert,

MW> Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:28:35 PM, you wrote:

MW> 

MDP>>> My personal fave is AVG. Many like NOD32 for the slickness and
MDP>>> effectiveness combination it offers. My least favourite is the
MDP>>> bloated and over zealous NAV.

MW> 

MW> And then there's Sophos AV, which also integrates with The Bat!

MW> http://www.sophos.com/
MW> ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/

MW> M

Hrm.  Lots of choices.  I'd be most happy if the Panda plugin worked...
 After all, I already have Panda AV.

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Re: Selectively Deleting Attachments Automatically

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tom,

On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:16:33 +1100GMT (6-3-03, 0:16 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

TS> Does  anyone  know  if  TB!  can  be set up to automagically
TS> delete specific attachments  from  incoming  messages?

No, in order to delete specific attachments, TB ought to be able to
filter on the name and it can't. You pick either all attachments or
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Re:

[Michael L. Wilson]

 
Hello Martin,

Historians believe that on Wednesday, March 05, 2003 , at 18:17:58[GMT
-0500](which was 3:14 PM where I live) you wrote:



MW> And then there's Sophos AV, which also integrates with The Bat!

MW> http://www.sophos.com/
MW> ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/

Why for do I need something to integrate with the bat when ALL
traffic through the POP3 port goes through NOD32 and is stopped,
cleaned, or whatever before the bat even sees it?


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Selectively Deleting Attachments Automatically

[Tom Sadler]

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Gi'day All,

Does  anyone  know  if  TB!  can  be set up to automagically delete specific
attachments  from  incoming  messages?  Specifically, I want to delete those
damm  flashing  gif icons that come with Incredimail but would still like to
view html mail. (I however *DON'T* want to restart the text vs html war). As
far  as  I  can  see  with  my  limited  knowledge,  it is all or nothing re
attachments.

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Re[2]: Antivirus

[Martin Webster]

Hello Robert,

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:28:35 PM, you wrote:



MDP>> My personal fave is AVG. Many like NOD32 for the slickness and
MDP>> effectiveness combination it offers. My least favourite is the
MDP>> bloated and over zealous NAV.



And then there's Sophos AV, which also integrates with The Bat!

http://www.sophos.com/
ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/

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Re: Uses for Smart Bat?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Tom,

@5-Mar-2003, 14:29 -0800 (22:29 UK time) Tom Schuetz [TS] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

TS> Can anyone outline the functionality of SmartBat (F6)? Does it only
TS> store dates and events? Or can it be used to make N happen on DATE?

The FAQ lists some uses of SmartBat and in the latest betas it now
includes a scheduler.

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Re: How to get two Sorting Office Filters to act on the sameincoming message

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Daniel,

@5-Mar-2003, 16:43 -0500 (21:43 UK time) Daniel Grunberg [DG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>> YES and NO filters should appear first. Both should "continue
>> processing". Both should move messages to "Inbox". Both should
>> "Create a copy" of the message in the required folder.

DG> Is there a way to park the created copies automatically?

Not AFAIK. Can you try parking the message in the filter that
creates the copy then unparking it in the delete filter? Will that
work? Probably not. I think that "parked" is an "index" attribute
rather than a "message" attribute.

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Re: shared folders - one more try

[Mark Wieder]

hi-

Sure - we've been round about this before.

Works fine for me with about a dozen users. But I thought your last
message said you explicitly did *not* want to share the folders...?
Maybe you could provide some clue as to what you're trying to do and
what isn't working.

-Mark Wieder

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Re: Importing messages and address book from Netscape 7?

[David Calvarese]

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 On Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 16:35:11GMT -0500 (which was 4:35 PM where I live)
  Daniel Grunberg wrote and made these points on the subject of "Importing messages 
and address book from Netscape 7?":
DG> Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:33:21 [GMT -0500] (3:33 PM EST here) Nick OHare2
DG> wrote:

>> Hi All,



>> Is this a non-starter or am I missing something obvious?

>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

DG> QUOTE from TheBat!'s help:

DG> The Bat! address book can import raw address information from any
DG> client that can export the information to:

DG> -   LDIF File

I'm pretty sure N7 can export address books to LDIF... I know Mozilla
can.


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David
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Re: Importing messages and address book from Netscape 7?

[Mark Partous]

Hello Nick,

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 9:33:21 PM, you wrote:

NO> I recently convinced a friend of mine to take the plunge and buy The
NO> Bat.  Unfortunately, The Bat's import wizard doesn't have an option to
NO> import messages or address books from Netscape 7 and I can't find an
NO> export function anywhere in Netscape 7.
NO> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

As far as the addresses are concerned, this free tool, "Dawn" should do. 

http://www.joshie.com/projects/dawn/

Export to LDIF, rather than to The Bat directly. Then import from LDif.


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Re: Uses for Smart Bat?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tom,

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:29:17 -0800GMT (5-3-03, 23:29 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

TS> Can anyone outline the functionality of SmartBat (F6)?

It's a little text editor to take notes and such. Can open several
text files simultaneously.
I heard of people who were using it as default editor for their
cookies file for example. You set it up once to also open your cookies
file and it'll do so every time. Easy way to add cookies from within
TB.

And more things like that.

TS> Does it only store dates and events?

It doesn't store events. It only adds time and date when you open it.
Could come in handy for a close by notebook.

TS> Or can it be used to make N happen on DATE?

I wish it could. Then it would be a real addition to TB. Now I'm not
really convinced about it's uses.

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Uses for Smart Bat?

[Tom Schuetz]

Hi,

Can anyone outline the functionality of SmartBat (F6)? Does it only
store dates and events? Or can it be used to make N happen on DATE?

Thanks!

Tom

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Re: Antivirus

[Robert C Wittig]

Hello Marck,

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 1:18:03 PM, you wrote:

MDP> My personal fave is AVG. Many like NOD32 for the slickness and
MDP> effectiveness combination it offers. My least favourite is the
MDP> bloated and over zealous NAV.

I have (heh) NAV... but it is not interfaced with TB.

Virii seem to be less of a threat with TB. I have my client set for
text mail default, and TB came with a default setting that didn't
allow much of anything to run, and I don't click on anything
anyway.

Then, I set-up POPFile as a proxy client, to sort out spam... and I
made a 'malware' bucket, too. POPFile has been scoring 100% on malware
filtering since it registered its first bug... I think that malware
are a lot easier for a Bayesian filter to recognise, than spam.

...might put NAV out of business, if enough people find out about
it.

 
-wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
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Re: filter whoes

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Luc,

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:41:53 +0100GMT (5-3-03, 22:41 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

L> Observation: you'll notice the ' ' after using the pipe character:
L> i used that because it says so in the help file.

Well, I think so misread the help there, there's no need for them.
Also you've enabled regular expressions, why?


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Re: filter whoes

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 22:41, Luc wrote:

> Observation: you'll notice the ' ' after using the pipe character: i
> used that because it says so in the help file. At home i don't use
> them. I also tried without them but to no avail.
 
Your filter works great here if I remove the ' signs. If I leave them,
the filter does not work though.

Do you have any other filter above that acts on the message?

-- 
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Marcus Ohlström

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Re: How to get two Sorting Office Filters to act on the sameincoming message

[Daniel Grunberg]

Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:54:31 [GMT +] (9:54 AM EST here) Marck D
Pearlstone wrote:

>  ... 

DG>> Since the order of my filters is first YES then NO, I tried checking
DG>> the Continue Processing with Other Filters option of the YES filter.
DG>> That didn't work. Is there something I must do in addition to checking
DG>> the option?

> Yes.

>  ... 

DG>> What should I do?

> YES and NO filters should appear first. Both should "continue
> processing". Both should move messages to "Inbox". Both should
> "Create a copy" of the message in the required folder.

Is there a way to park the created copies automatically?

> Add a new YESNO filter after these two that deletes the original
> message now that processing is complete.

Thank you Marck. Everything worked as I wanted it to, except for the
automatic parking.


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-- 

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Re: filter whoes

[Luc]

 Good evening Miguel,
  
It was foretold that on 5-3-2003 @ 19:31:19 GMT+0100 (which was
19:31:19 where I live) Miguel A. Urech would mumble:
  


MAU> Why don't you just paste here one that doesn't work? It may give a
MAU> clue.

  
 K, here it goes:

BeginFilter
Name: Secretaris
Active: 1
Source: \\luc\Inbox
Target: \\luc\Secretaris
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 00'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'|'BuijsFilip'
Actions: faoSendNow,faoContinueProcessing,faoRegExp
AddGroups: 
DelGroups: 
ForwardTemplate: 
ConfirmTemplate: 
ReplyTemplate: 
FwdAddr: 
RedirectAddr: 
NewAddr: 
NewTemplate: 
ExtCmd: 
ExtFile: 
ExtractDir: 
ColourGroup: 
AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
HotKey: 0
IsOfColour: 
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups: 
NoAddrGroups: 
KillFile: 
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate: 
SndFile: 
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter


Observation: you'll notice the ' ' after using the pipe character: i
used that because it says so in the help file. At home i don't use
them. I also tried without them but to no avail.
 
-- 
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 Luc
---
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2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera.

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Re: Importing messages and address book from Netscape 7?

[Daniel Grunberg]

Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:33:21 [GMT -0500] (3:33 PM EST here) Nick OHare2
wrote:

> Hi All,

> I recently convinced a friend of mine to take the plunge and buy The
> Bat.  Unfortunately, The Bat's import wizard doesn't have an option to
> import messages or address books from Netscape 7 and I can't find an
> export function anywhere in Netscape 7.

> Is this a non-starter or am I missing something obvious?

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

QUOTE from TheBat!'s help:

The Bat! address book can import raw address information from any
client that can export the information to:

-   LDIF File
-   Vcard
-   Comma Separated File
-   Tab Separated File
-   ".INI" file format

ENDQUOTE

If Netscape 7 can export to one of those formats, from TheBat!'s
address book menu, select the "File | Import from" option and choose
the import method you want to use.


It's ugly, but a simple, crude, brute force if all else fails way to
add the e-mail addresses, possibly the display names, but no other
data to your TheBat! address book is:

1. Use Netscape 7 to send a single, "Test Do Not Read" message
To: .
Do not download any messages, CLOSE NETSCAPE IMMEDIATELY.

2. Start TheBat! and download your e-mail. One of the messages will be
   the test message To: .

3. Highlight the message and then
TheBat! | Specials | Add recipient to Address Book






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Re: OpenPGP versions

[Tom Sadler]

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Gi'day David,

It   is  established  that  on  Thursday,  6  March  2003,  at  13:35:53[GMT
- -0500](which was 5:35 AM where I live) you wrote:

>  I have a question.  Since TB! supports multiple OpenPGP plugins plus
>   it's own internal version... What's the best version to use?  GnuPG?
>   PGP 6.5X?  The Internal one?

I've  been  using  GnuPG  and GPGShell with no problems whatsoever. I'm also
using  a  program called GPGrelay (http://sites.inka.de/tesla/gpgrelay.html)
that  you  may  also  be  interested  in.  It automates the whole process of
encrytion/decryption etc and also adds PGP/MIME which The Bat sadly lacks. I
have  had no problems with this program either. But it is not recommended if
many  people  have  access  privileges  to  your  computer - see website for
details.

For what its worth.

- --
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Tom
Sydney, Australia


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Re: Antivirus

[David Calvarese]

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 On Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 12:43:38GMT -0800 (which was 3:43 PM where I live)
  Melissa Reese wrote and made these points on the subject of "Antivirus":
MR> On Wednesday, March 05, 2003, at 12:34:03 PM PST, David Calvarese
MR> wrote:

>> Wish they had a free version. I suppose I'll just have to give it a
>> try.

MR> I'm all for good freeware programs (and thankful to the generous
MR> programmers who offer them), but I'm also happy to pay for software if
MR> I feel it will do a better job than competing freeware (perhaps
MR> especially with regards to security software). There are free email
MR> clients out there. Why do we happily pay for TB!?

MR> Melissa

I don't have any problem paying usually, money's just short right now...
I'm the proudly licensed owner of just about every Windows email client
except for Becky and Agent.

I wouldn't mind a free limited version like AVG offers though, at least
till I can afford to buy a new one.

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David
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Re: Importing messages and address book from Netscape 7?

[Dave]

Hello Nick,

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 8:33:21 PM, you wrote:

NO> Hi All,

NO> I recently convinced a friend of mine to take the plunge and buy The
NO> Bat.  Unfortunately, The Bat's import wizard doesn't have an option to
NO> import messages or address books from Netscape 7 and I can't find an
NO> export function anywhere in Netscape 7.

NO> Is this a non-starter or am I missing something obvious?


I haven't tried this, but outlook express does have the capability to
import messages and address books from various other programs,
including Netscape.  Once in outhouse, you can then do the bat import.

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Importing messages and address book from Netscape 7?

[Nick OHare2]

Hi All,

I recently convinced a friend of mine to take the plunge and buy The
Bat.  Unfortunately, The Bat's import wizard doesn't have an option to
import messages or address books from Netscape 7 and I can't find an
export function anywhere in Netscape 7.

Is this a non-starter or am I missing something obvious?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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 Nick



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Re: Antivirus

[David Calvarese]

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 On Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 11:53:49GMT -0800 (which was 2:53 PM where I live)
  Melissa Reese wrote and made these points on the subject of "Antivirus":
MR> On Wednesday, March 05, 2003, at 11:23:59 AM PST, David Calvarese
MR> wrote:

MR> Daily updates only really help if new definitions are actually
MR> included in those updates. New viruses are introduced often, but if a
MR> an a-v company produces "updates" every day just to satisfy a "we
MR> update daily" promise, I do sometimes wonder just what is in those
MR> little daily updates. That said, I had Panda Platinum for a year, and
MR> it seemed competent...though a bit heavier on my system than NOD32
MR> (most others are heavier than NOD32).

Panda does give you a summary of the new virus defs add and the total
number of viruses now covered at the end of each update, if you don't
turn off the notification.

>> I'm using the free AVG at the moment, but it doesn't seem to update
>> the virus definitions very often, which is a bad thing.

MR> See comments above (though I do feel that AVG has its problems, and I
MR> generally don't recommend it).

It just feels wrong to me for some reason... A gut reaction.

>> First time I ran Panda on my PC at work, it picked up a whopping 210
>> infections that NAV didn't.

MR> I sure hope those were just unexecuted "infected files", and not 210
MR> actual infections running amok through your machine! :-)

210 Actual infected files, spanning 15 viruses.  Stupid NAV and stupid
sister company that was sending the viruses to us.


>> What about Kaspersky?

MR> KAV is very good.  I used it during its 3.x series, but found that 4.x
MR> (at least when it was first released) slowed down my computer even
MR> more than 3.x (which already slowed my system much more than NOD32).

MR> After trying and/or using many, I'm most happy with NOD32.

Wish they had a free version.  I suppose I'll just have to give it a
try.


- --
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David
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him power." (Abraham Lincoln)
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Re: Antivirus

[David Calvarese]

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 On Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 14:57:44GMT -0500 (which was 2:57 PM where I live)
  James P. Mattern, Jr wrote and made these points on the subject of "Antivirus":
JPMJ> Hello James

JPMJ> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:15:07 -0500 GMT
JPMJ>(3/5/2003, 2:15 PM -0500 GMT), David Calvarese wrote:


DC>>  Got another question,  What Antivirus works really well with TB!?

JPMJ>  Kaspersky works very well.  It does require the "Pro" version for
JPMJ>  it to function within TheBat!


I'll make a note of that.  I'm shopping around a bit so I can get good
integration.  Antivirus is the last on my list now that I've got GPG and
SpamPal/SpamSort working right.

I'd be really happy if the Panda plugin worked, that's what I REALLY
want... Other than that, I've got AVG running at the moment while I look
at options.

So far I've got these options, in no particular order:

Wait for Panda Plugin
AVG
Buy NOD32
Buy Kaspersky

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David
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Re: Antivirus

[Raf Hofmans]

Hello,

DC>   Got another question,  What Antivirus works really well with TB!?

I recently switched to AVG Antivirus. It's free and it even comes with
a plug-in for The Bat! See the following page for more info ...

http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_avgbat.htm

-- 
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Raf

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shared folders - one more try

[Jernejcic Alexander]

hi,
is there anybody out there *really* using shared folders with more
than two users simultaniously? please share your experiences and
solutions with me ;)

thx
alexander

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Re[2]: Countdown Clock for signature???

[Newsacct]

Hello Gerd,

My name is Fred and, no, I'm not a TBTECH member. :)

Thanks!

Fred

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:22:40 PM, you wrote:

GE> You are perfectly right. That is why I answered, but didn't explain
GE> (although I am afraid, I couldn't anyway). And furthermore, I couldn't
GE> assume that Newsacct is TBTECH-member. *gg*



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Re: Antivirus

[James P. Mattern, Jr]

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Hash: MD5

Hello James

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:15:07 -0500 GMT
   (3/5/2003, 2:15 PM -0500 GMT), David Calvarese wrote:


DC>  Got another question,  What Antivirus works really well with TB!?

 Kaspersky works very well.  It does require the "Pro" version for
 it to function within TheBat!


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James

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Re[2]: Antivirus

[Task Control]

Hi tbudl at thebat.dutaint.com:

In the past David was post:

DC> What about Kaspersky?

I think kaspersky is the best antivirus in the world (it is a personal
comment)  but some people (me too) cant configure it with the bat :-(.
The  error  is knows when plugin says: "the AV can't scan the message"
or some similar error message (i don't remember)

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- Windows 98 4.10.1998 
- AVG 6.0 Free Edition
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Re: Antivirus

[David Calvarese]

 On Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 19:29:02GMT + (which was 2:29 PM where I live) 
  Marck D Pearlstone wrote and made these points on the subject of "Antivirus":
MDP> Hi David,

MDP> @5-Mar-2003, 14:23 -0500 (19:23 UK time) David Calvarese [DC] in
MDP> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DC>> I agree, stay FAR FAR away from NAV.  Panda is nice, but it's plugin
DC>> doesn't work... Panda also updates on a daily basis.  I'm using the free
DC>> AVG at the moment, but it doesn't seem to update the virus definitions
DC>> very often, which is a bad thing.

MDP> You can manually set the update frequency. Mine looks for new
MDP> databases every day. Grisoft are pretty swift to issue new databases
MDP> when new virii are released into the wild.

Yeah, I know that I can tell it to update whenever I want... I was just
concerned about how often they release updates.  Panda releases an
update every day, even if there is only 1 new virus.  Normal update has
usually had about 6 in it. So at that rate, Panda will catch 48 virii
that AVG doesn't (as of today), all else being equal.

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Re: Antivirus

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi David,

@5-Mar-2003, 14:23 -0500 (19:23 UK time) David Calvarese [DC] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DC> I agree, stay FAR FAR away from NAV.  Panda is nice, but it's plugin
DC> doesn't work... Panda also updates on a daily basis.  I'm using the free
DC> AVG at the moment, but it doesn't seem to update the virus definitions
DC> very often, which is a bad thing.

You can manually set the update frequency. Mine looks for new
databases every day. Grisoft are pretty swift to issue new databases
when new virii are released into the wild.

DC> NAV at least updates ocne a week, sometimes twice... Not that it
DC> catches things. First time I ran Panda on my PC at work, it
DC> picked up a whopping 210 infections that NAV didn't.

Wow!

DC> What about Kaspersky?

I've heard good stuff but never tried it myself.

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Re: OpenPGP versions

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi David,

@5-Mar-2003, 14:18 -0500 (19:18 UK time) David Calvarese [DC] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

MDP>> I have GnuPG and PGP 6.5.8ckt installed here.

DC> Thanks, That's exactly what I needed to know. So between GnuPG
DC> and the internal version, would I be covered? Or should I
DC> install 6.5.8 as well?

I don't use the internal version more than once a year. I don't
remember last time I had to use the ckt version since getting
GPGshell working well. GnuPG should be enough.

BTW - it is better not to publish your key in a posting to all in
that manner. Not everyone uses PGP nor wants a copy of your public
key.

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Re: Antivirus

[David Calvarese]

 On Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 19:18:03GMT + (which was 2:18 PM where I live) 
  Marck D Pearlstone wrote and made these points on the subject of "Antivirus":
MDP> Hi David,

MDP> @5-Mar-2003, 14:15 -0500 (19:15 UK time) David Calvarese [DC] in
MDP> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DC>>   Got another question,  What Antivirus works really well with TB!?

MDP> My personal fave is AVG. Many like NOD32 for the slickness and
MDP> effectiveness combination it offers. My least favourite is the
MDP> bloated and over zealous NAV.


I agree, stay FAR FAR away from NAV.  Panda is nice, but it's plugin
doesn't work... Panda also updates on a daily basis.  I'm using the free
AVG at the moment, but it doesn't seem to update the virus definitions
very often, which is a bad thing.  NAV at least updates ocne a week,
sometimes twice...  Not that it catches things.  First time I ran Panda
on my PC at work, it picked up a whopping 210 infections that NAV
didn't.

What about Kaspersky?

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Re: Antivirus

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi David,

@5-Mar-2003, 14:15 -0500 (19:15 UK time) David Calvarese [DC] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DC>   Got another question,  What Antivirus works really well with TB!?

My personal fave is AVG. Many like NOD32 for the slickness and
effectiveness combination it offers. My least favourite is the
bloated and over zealous NAV.

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Re: OpenPGP versions

[David Calvarese]

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 On Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 19:12:38GMT + (which was 2:12 PM where I live)
  Marck D Pearlstone wrote and made these points on the subject of "OpenPGP versions":
MDP> Hi David,

MDP> @5-Mar-2003, 13:35 -0500 (18:35 UK time) David Calvarese [DC] in
MDP> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DC>>   I have a question.  Since TB! supports multiple OpenPGP plugins plus
DC>>   it's own internal version... What's the best version to use?  GnuPG?
DC>>   PGP 6.5X?  The Internal one?

MDP> I have GnuPG and PGP 6.5.8ckt installed here. I mostly use GnuPG and
MDP> sometimes have to use internal version with Submission Forms.
MDP> More recent versions of PGP (7 and 8) do not have plug-in
MDP> compatibility and I therefore find them less useful.


Thanks, That's exactly what I needed to know.  So between GnuPG and the
internal version, would I be covered?  Or should I install 6.5.8 as
well?

Here's my public key.

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Antivirus

[David Calvarese]

Hello All,

  Got another question,  What Antivirus works really well with TB!?

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Re: OpenPGP versions

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi David,

@5-Mar-2003, 13:35 -0500 (18:35 UK time) David Calvarese [DC] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DC>   I have a question.  Since TB! supports multiple OpenPGP plugins plus
DC>   it's own internal version... What's the best version to use?  GnuPG?
DC>   PGP 6.5X?  The Internal one?

I have GnuPG and PGP 6.5.8ckt installed here. I mostly use GnuPG and
sometimes have to use internal version with Submission Forms.
More recent versions of PGP (7 and 8) do not have plug-in
compatibility and I therefore find them less useful.

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[David Calvarese]

Hello All,

  I have a question.  Since TB! supports multiple OpenPGP plugins plus
  it's own internal version... What's the best version to use?  GnuPG?
  PGP 6.5X?  The Internal one?

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Re: How to get two Sorting Office Filters to act on the sameincoming message

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Thomas,

> This won't work, because the YES filter has already moved the message.
> If a filter moves a message, no following filter can touch it.

You're right. I do something similar but I forgot that on the first
one I move from Inbox to Inbox and just _copy_ to desired folder.

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Re: filter whoes

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Luc,

>  I've gone over them several times but can't figure it out. Now, i
>  could provide those who are willing to overlook them with a txt file,
>  but i'm not sure if it's appropriate in the list. But of course,
>  of-list would be no problem.

Why don't you just paste here one that doesn't work? It may give a
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Re: Feature Request - Launch into Notepad

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Spyder,

> I HATE HATE HATE HTML emails... but it appears that most newer users don't know
> any better and send emails in them.  I love the way that The Bat makes them
> seperate files/attachments so that I do not have to endure the HTML hoopla.
> When I get the attachment, I would like to view it as source code and not the
> HTML.

What's wrong with F9?

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Re: Feature request!

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Ricardo,

> I'd rather have a visual thingie :)
>
> a. if winamp is running you might miss the error sound
> b. I hate these plings and ploings everytime Windows scews up. I don't
> want to see The Bat! going on the same route...
> c. A visual someting is better because it will probably stay on the
> screen untill you've seen it and can give you more info than a sound.

It all depends on the colour of the glasses you are looking through.
Let's leave it optional/configurable so everyone can be happy :)

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Re: Feature request!

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Hi Ricardo,

@5-Mar-2003, 18:54 +0100 (17:54 UK time) Ricardo van Eck [RVE] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 ... 

FBO>> 
FBO>> Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information:
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RVE> I'd rather have a visual thingie :)

 ... 


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Ricardo.

There is an increasing tendency not to trim messages and I would
appreciate it if your would, at the very least, remove the
signatures from the messages you are replying to.

It would also be a courtesy if those messages included a "cut mark"
before the signature of simply .

Thank you.


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filter whoes

[Luc]

 Good evening list,  

 I finally have a copy of TB! at work also. Joy oh joy :-) So, eagerly
 i configured it, maid my filters and they do not work. I've made
 dozens at home but the ones at my office, refuse to work. Strange
 thing is that they are plain simple filters: e-mail address as sender,
 move it to a folder for that sender. So, nothing fancy i guess :-).

 I've gone over them several times but can't figure it out. Now, i
 could provide those who are willing to overlook them with a txt file,
 but i'm not sure if it's appropriate in the list. But of course,
 of-list would be no problem.
 
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Re: Language-based template

[Luc]

 Good evening Januk,
  
It was foretold that on 5-3-2003 @ 23:41:24 GMT-0800 (which was
8:41:24 where I live) Januk Aggarwal would mumble:
  

JA> Once we have something like that, then you can use a regular
JA> expression
  
I see
 
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Re: Language-based template

[Luc]

 Good evening Roelof,
  
It was foretold that on 4-3-2003 @ 19:09:20 GMT+0100 (which was
19:09:20 where I live) Roelof Otten would mumble:
  

RO> You could use a variety of conditions. Use different e-mail addresses
RO> for lists in different languages, then the e-mail address you're using
RO> (or the account) defines your language.
  
 k, i'll try that Roelof
 
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Re: Feature request!

[Ricardo van Eck]

Hello Fabio,

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 17:11:46, you wrote:

FBO> Hi,

FBO> I already asked here for this feature here (in 2001 I think) but I got
FBO> no replies at all.

FBO> I  think that could be a good feature a different (configurable) error
FBO> sound to each account.

FBO> I  have a lot of different accounts here (I think that a lot of people
FBO> have  too)... and every time I hear a error sound (windows asterisk in
FBO> my  case)  I  need  to  search  the  logs to know which account have a
FBO> problem.


FBO> Best regards
FBO> 
FBO> Fabio Bastiglia Oliva - Diretor
FBO> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

FBO> Safe Networks Informática LTDA.
FBO> http://www.safenetworks.com


FBO> 
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I'd rather have a visual thingie :)

a. if winamp is running you might miss the error sound
b. I hate these plings and ploings everytime Windows scews up. I don't
want to see The Bat! going on the same route...
c. A visual someting is better because it will probably stay on the
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Re: Countdown Clock for signature???

[Gerd Ewald]

Good evening Peter Meyns !

  
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:56:20 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was 04.03.2003, 22:56 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Peter Meyns)
wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:


> Wow, that's a lot of stuff. Too much for me to understand and too much
> for TBUDL perhaps? TBTECH might be the better place... *s*

You are perfectly right. That is why I answered, but didn't explain
(although I am afraid, I couldn't anyway). And furthermore, I couldn't
assume that Newsacct is TBTECH-member. *gg*


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Re: Timeout, please??

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Dave,

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:30:56 -0600 GMT (05/03/03, 22:30 +0700 GMT),
Dave Gorman wrote:

> I leave TB! running overnight on my work computer with periodic
> mail checking. Frequently, for reasons unknown, the mail
> receiving process will just stall. However, rather than timing
> out, the stalled process will just sit there staring blankly into
> space until I manually abort it. Why oh why doesn't it ever time
> out?! Is there anything I can do about this? or is it just the
> nature of the beast?

Stefan has already looked into this, as TB *does* have a timeout
setting. It is not clear why it doesn't work in circumstances that I,
too, experience. "Connecting to server" sometimes doesn't timeout,
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Re: How to get two Sorting Office Filters to act on the sameincoming message

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Miguel,

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:57:50 +0100 GMT (05/03/03, 21:57 +0700 GMT),
Miguel A. Urech wrote:

> If your YES filter is before the NO one, on the Options tab of the YES
> one select "Continue processing with other filters".

This won't work, because the YES filter has already moved the message.
If a filter moves a message, no following filter can touch it.

I believe Marck's solution is right on target, though.

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Feature Request - Launch into Notepad

[Spyder]

I HATE HATE HATE HTML emails... but it appears that most newer users don't know
any better and send emails in them.  I love the way that The Bat makes them
seperate files/attachments so that I do not have to endure the HTML hoopla.
When I get the attachment, I would like to view it as source code and not the
HTML.

Can we add a right click option for the attachments to "Open in Notepad" or
"open with"??

Thanks!!

Scott
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Re: Feature request!

[Spyder]

Why not go 1 step further and change the font color of the errored account in
the account list to red (or some other configurable color)?  The account is
bolding when unread messages are in it...  I don't know that I could remember 30
different sounds for error and email is here.

Scott
v1.62 on win2000 with 30 email accounts

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:11:46 AM, you wrote:

> Hi,

> I already asked here for this feature here (in 2001 I think) but I got
> no replies at all.

> I  think that could be a good feature a different (configurable) error
> sound to each account.

> I  have a lot of different accounts here (I think that a lot of people
> have  too)... and every time I hear a error sound (windows asterisk in
> my  case)  I  need  to  search  the  logs to know which account have a
> problem.


> Best regards
> 
> Fabio Bastiglia Oliva - Diretor
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Safe Networks Informática LTDA.
> http://www.safenetworks.com


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Re: The Bat! doesn't disconnect from POP3 server

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Piet,

> Any ideas?

You are using a Beta version, you should check in TBbeta list

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Re: Feature request!

[David Calvarese]

Hello Fabio,

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 11:11:46 AM, you wrote:

FBO> Hi,

FBO> I already asked here for this feature here (in 2001 I think) but I got
FBO> no replies at all.

FBO> I  think that could be a good feature a different (configurable) error
FBO> sound to each account.

FBO> I  have a lot of different accounts here (I think that a lot of people
FBO> have  too)... and every time I hear a error sound (windows asterisk in
FBO> my  case)  I  need  to  search  the  logs to know which account have a
FBO> problem.


FBO> Best regards
FBO> 
FBO> Fabio Bastiglia Oliva - Diretor
FBO> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I agree, that'd be a great feature!

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Feature request!

[Fabio Bastiglia Oliva]

Hi,

I already asked here for this feature here (in 2001 I think) but I got
no replies at all.

I  think that could be a good feature a different (configurable) error
sound to each account.

I  have a lot of different accounts here (I think that a lot of people
have  too)... and every time I hear a error sound (windows asterisk in
my  case)  I  need  to  search  the  logs to know which account have a
problem.


Best regards

Fabio Bastiglia Oliva - Diretor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Timeout, please??

[Dave Gorman]

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 9:30:56 AM, Dave wrote:

> BTW, I'm posting this on TBBETA as I am using a beta version, but
> I've experienced this problem with every version of TB! I've
> used, both release and beta versions.

OK, well I thought I was posting on TBBETA! ...Errant AB
clicking...where is that coffee anyway?

-- 
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The Bat! doesn't disconnect from POP3 server

[Piet Bossuyt]

Hello,


After I receive my mail, The Bat! doesn't disconnect from the POP3
server. The Connection Centre keeps saying "importing messages". This
only happens when I have large amounts of mail.

Any ideas?



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Timeout, please??

[Dave Gorman]

I leave TB! running overnight on my work computer with periodic
mail checking. Frequently, for reasons unknown, the mail
receiving process will just stall. However, rather than timing
out, the stalled process will just sit there staring blankly into
space until I manually abort it. Why oh why doesn't it ever time
out?! Is there anything I can do about this? or is it just the
nature of the beast?

BTW, I'm posting this on TBBETA as I am using a beta version, but
I've experienced this problem with every version of TB! I've
used, both release and beta versions.


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Re: How to get two Sorting Office Filters to act on the sameincoming message

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Daniel,

> Occasionally, an e-mail arrives that has both YES and NO in its
> subject. (This is not an error, but it does not happen often.) I'd
> like such an e-mail to to be moved to both the TheBat! YES folder and
> the TheBat! NO folder, and to have its message exported their messages
> (per the appropriate export templates), adding them to both file
> c:\YES and file c:\NO. In other words I'd like both the YES filter and
> the NO filter to act on such a message.

If your YES filter is before the NO one, on the Options tab of the YES
one select "Continue processing with other filters".

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Re: How to get two Sorting Office Filters to act on the sameincoming message

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Daniel,

@5-Mar-2003, 09:38 -0500 (14:38 UK time) Daniel Grunberg [DG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 ... 

DG> Since the order of my filters is first YES then NO, I tried checking
DG> the Continue Processing with Other Filters option of the YES filter.
DG> That didn't work. Is there something I must do in addition to checking
DG> the option?

Yes.

 ... 

DG> What should I do?

YES and NO filters should appear first. Both should "continue
processing". Both should move messages to "Inbox". Both should
"Create a copy" of the message in the required folder. Add a new
YESNO filter after these two that deletes the original message now
that processing is complete.


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How to get two Sorting Office Filters to act on the same incomingmessage

[Daniel Grunberg]

For the sake of this discussion, I am looking for incoming e-mails
with "YES" or "NO" in their subjects. Both of the filters work, but
they act as EXCLUSIVE-ORs. I'd like them to act as INCLUSIVE-ORs.

My YES filter moves all YES e-mails to a TheBat! YES folder, and
exports their messages (per a YES export template), adding them to a
file called c:\YES.

My NO filter moves all NO e-mails to a TheBat! NO folder, and exports
their messages (per a NO export template), adding them to a file
called c:\NO.

Occasionally, an e-mail arrives that has both YES and NO in its
subject. (This is not an error, but it does not happen often.) I'd
like such an e-mail to to be moved to both the TheBat! YES folder and
the TheBat! NO folder, and to have its message exported their messages
(per the appropriate export templates), adding them to both file
c:\YES and file c:\NO. In other words I'd like both the YES filter and
the NO filter to act on such a message.

Since the order of my filters is first YES then NO, I tried checking
the Continue Processing with Other Filters option of the YES filter.
That didn't work. Is there something I must do in addition to checking
the option?

Next I tried putting a new YES and NO filter ahead of the YES filter.
This met with partial success. I was able to Move the Message to the
YES folder and Create a (un-parked) copy of the Message in the NO
folder. I was able to export the message into c:\YES, but I could not
export the message into c:\NO.

What should I do?


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Re: Stuart and his long signatures

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Allie,

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 at 05:21:53[GMT -0500](which was 10:21 where I
live) you wrote:

>  For those interested, with Stuart's consent, I created a filter that
>will catch the messages he sends to me intended for the list. He
>includes a comment header that not only indicates this to me, but it
>includes the intended list address.

>The filter first exports the message and using regex, I constructed
>the headers so that it would contain all needed information from his
>message and also included the initial line to make it like a UNIX
>format export.

>The filter then imports the message to the Outbox for sending.

This programme never ceases to amaze with its versatility. I wish I
could understand more of it but it does what I need perfectly well
(apart from when sorting filters go belly up for no apparent reason
and I have to go through them with a fine tooth comb to sort them
out!)

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Richard

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Re: Removing brackets from forwards?? Stupid newbie question. :)

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 14:30, Newsacct wrote:

> Well,  does  the %text remove the >s from the message? I mean, if they
> are  already  in  the  original  text?  I  didn't think it did that. I
> thought  that was good for replying without using the >s but I need to
> remove ones that are already there.

Correct, I missunderstood your request. I suppose it can be done with
some regex's, but I can't help you here.


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Re[3]: Removing brackets from forwards?? Stupid newbie question. :)

[Newsacct]

Hello Jeanny,

Thanks.  I will take a look but I was hoping to still find a way to do
it  in  the program. My old email software, Calypso, used to do it for
me. The Bat seems far more powerfull so I am lost as to why it "can't"
be done. :)

Fred

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:03:08 AM, you wrote:

JH> On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 8:52:42 PM, Newsacct wrote:

N>>> When I forward messages, I like to remove all the >s from the
N>>> messages to make them look pretty. Heh!

N>>> How can I do that easily? Anyone?

JH> There's a great little program called eCleaner that'll do this in a
JH> couple of mouse clicks.  You copy what you want to "clean," open
JH> eCleaner and click on the appropriate icon (a >> with a circle and
JH> slash through it).  It takes out the >> and copies the cleaned-up
JH> version to clipboard.

JH> Here's a link:
JH> http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,6492,00.asp

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Re[2]: Removing brackets from forwards?? Stupid newbie question. :)

[Newsacct]

Hello Marcus,

Well,  does  the %text remove the >s from the message? I mean, if they
are  already  in  the  original  text?  I  didn't think it did that. I
thought  that was good for replying without using the >s but I need to
remove ones that are already there.

I do appreciate the help though!

Thanks!

Fred

Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 4:33:16 PM, you wrote:


MO> On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 21:52, Newsacct wrote:

>> When I forward messages, I like to remove all the >s from the
>> messages to make them look pretty. Heh!

>> How can I do that easily? Anyone?

MO> Permanently or on a per message basis?

MO> If permanently, you have to work on your forward template. Inserting
MO> the original text using the %Text macro should do it.

MO> If you want to edit a single message, take a look at the bottom row of
MO> the editor. The third box from the left probably says "Stream". Change
MO> it (by clicking on it) to "Column". Now you can cut - and paste if you
MO> want to - entire columns.

MO> Did that help?



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Re[2]: Printing header template

[Nick Dutton]

Januk,

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 8:24:40 AM, you wrote:

JA> 1. You need to make 3 quick templates, named:
JA>a) print_recipient
JA>b) print_recipient2
JA>c) print

JA> 2. Copy (CTRL-C) each template.  In other words, copy between the:
JA>=[Begin ]=
JA>=[ End  ]=

JA> 3. Go into the quick template with the same name, and use CTRL-V to
JA>paste.  So you will have repeated steps 2 & 3 a total of 3 times.

JA> 4. Replace your main print template with one line:
JA>%QINCLUDE="print"

JA> That's it.  That should get you running.

Hmmm, this is pretty much what I'd done.  I guess that my problem is
elsewhere.

The symptoms are that all To, CC, BCC fields are blank on the printout.

I've tried deleting a recreating all three QTs as well as marking start/end
for each QT with a text string.  I'm seeing what I'd expect for print and
print_recipient, but nothing for print_recipient2.

It appears to my untrained eye that print_recipient is failing to call
print_recipient2 for some reason.

Any ideas?  Should we take this discussion elsewhere?

Thanks again,

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Re: Reading Header Info

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hi Jonathan,

On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:25:20 -0600 Jonathan Angliss
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The other is a mess up at the mail server end... and the headers get
> included.

That's the _only_ way one would be able to tell (beside the
"administrative way" of inspecting mail logs).
Eevn if the client would include BCC-header the server is _forced_ to
remove it. That's what's written down in RFC.
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Re[2]: prohibited by administratot

[Duncan]

Hi Folks,
just to let you know that the problem seems to have ceased all by
itself. Go figure...;-)

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Re[2]: TB! uses 100% CPU to download.

[Mark Partous]

Hello Allie,

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 12:13:29 PM, you wrote:


AM> Mark Partous [MP] wrote:

MP>> There's probably a third factor influencing that behaviour. Over
MP>> here Mailsafe (ZA) and The Bat work fine together (on 98SE).

AM> No doubt there is since ZA problems do not affect all ZA users.

AM> The frustrating thing is that I don't know if anyone has been able
AM> to elucidate what this other factor is. :/

I must say I'm using ZoneAlarm _Pro_.

I don't know wether that makes anydifference.

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Re: OT: I'm Flouting the rules again ..."

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:04:44 AM, you wrote:

SH> But I hope you forgive me just one more time.

SH> This message should, through the kind efforts of Allie Martin, reach
SH> the list without the painfully long tail attached by my company's mail
SH> server.


Hi Stuart,

As you can see it worked.

This might be an option for you, you could use your on mail dispatcher (
I use post cast) to deliver the mail directly. This bypasses you
company mailserver and all the joy's that come with it ;-)

Then again his might not be an option using a company computer on a
company network.


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Re: TB! uses 100% CPU to download.

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Mark Partous [MP] wrote:

MP> There's probably a third factor influencing that behaviour. Over
MP> here Mailsafe (ZA) and The Bat work fine together (on 98SE).

No doubt there is since ZA problems do not affect all ZA users.

The frustrating thing is that I don't know if anyone has been able
to elucidate what this other factor is. :/

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Re[3]: TB! uses 100% CPU to download.

[Mark Partous]

Hello Lawrence,

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 3:01:53 AM, you wrote:

LJ> I saw something like this back when I had the ZoneAlarm MailSafe
LJ> option enabled.

LJ> For long periods during the mail download my mouse would freeze.
LJ> Often I would find that my system clock had lost several minutes
LJ> during the download.

LJ> Since disabling MailSafe these problems and others have vanished.

There's probably a third factor influencing that behaviour.
Over here Mailsafe (ZA) and The Bat work fine together (on 98SE).


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Stuart and his long signatures

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Hi all,

   This is really intended for all those who may have decided to create
   a filter for Stuart Hemming's messages to the list.

   As you know, his signatures have often been much longer than his
   messages because his company mailserver insists, without compromise,
   to add the disclaimer material to the end of all his messages.

   I decided to assist by cleaning his messages for him, all using TB!
   (cahoots to TB! for allowing me to be able to do this). It was a
   learning experience doing it while trying to maintain some of his
   original message headers, especially the reference headers to make
   his messages continue to thread.

   For those interested, with Stuart's consent, I created a filter that
   will catch the messages he sends to me intended for the list. He
   includes a comment header that not only indicates this to me, but it
   includes the intended list address.

   The filter first exports the message and using regex, I constructed
   the headers so that it would contain all needed information from his
   message and also included the initial line to make it like a UNIX
   format export.

   The filter then imports the message to the Outbox for sending.

   His messages are now quite devoid of the long signature, so you can
   now fully welcome his messages to the list. 

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OT: I'm Flouting the rules again ..."

[Stuart Hemming]

But I hope you forgive me just one more time.

This message should, through the kind efforts of Allie Martin, reach
the list without the painfully long tail attached by my company's mail
server.

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OT: I'm Flouting the rules again ..."

[Stuart Hemming]

But I hope you forgive me just one more time.

This message should, through the kind efforts of Allie Martin, reach
the list without the painfully long tail attached by my company's mail
server.

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Mark thread read ..."

[Stuart Hemming]

RMR> If you have the time, please add it to the wishlist page.
Done. ID 0001215

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Re: Language-based template

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Miguel A. Urech wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> I only use POFile to classify spam and no-spam but I am quite sure it
> would probably work just fine to classify messages according to
> language. After all, it builds a word list or dictionary for each
> bucket. If I have time to try it I will let you know.

I actually used POPFile to do language recognition and it was quite good
at it. I've never come around to hone my templates accordingly, it was
just an experiment. Most of my communication is in English so I have the
Bat set to spell check in that language. If I need to switch languages
during editing I simply use "Alt-H L" and pick the language I am writing
in.

Regards,

Markus
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Re: Printing header template

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Januk,

> It is a complex set of templates.

I have to agree to that :-)

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Re: Printing header template

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Nick,

On Tuesday, March 4, 2003 at 10:26 GMT +, authorities charged Nick
Dutton [ND] for writing:

JA>> 

ND> A vertical list, just what I'm after... unfortunately I'm too busy (stupid?)
ND> to understand this solution.

Not stupid.  It is a complex set of templates.  Fortunately, I've done
the work so you can just use them, but don't feel bad if you don't
understand them yet.

1. You need to make 3 quick templates, named:
   a) print_recipient
   b) print_recipient2
   c) print

2. Copy (CTRL-C) each template.  In other words, copy between the:
   =[Begin ]=
   =[ End  ]=

3. Go into the quick template with the same name, and use CTRL-V to
   paste.  So you will have repeated steps 2 & 3 a total of 3 times.

4. Replace your main print template with one line:
   %QINCLUDE="print"

That's it.  That should get you running.


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common folder for two users freezes TB for a minute

[Jurgen Haug]

Hallo Fledermäuse,

I have set up the Bat for two users on my XP home system, and tried
setting up a common folder for Spam, that is accessible for both
users. When this is set, then when one of the users shuts down the
Bat, it is stuck for like one minute or so before it really shuts
down. Is that the normal way of doing things for The Bat, or do I have
to change some settings? So far, I am not using that common folder
anymore, since the one minute guru is not fun.

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