IMAP and spam

[ken green]

I know that both Spampal and K9 appear to be popular spamkill programs,
but they are for POP3 servers (as are most client-side spam filters).

What do people use for IMAP-based accounts?

I do have the ability to enable Spam Assasin at the server level, which
may be my answer. Any recommendations/suggestions/etc.?

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IMAP and attachments

[Tim]

I've just changed over to using IMAP and everything seems to be working
properly. But I've got one question (which may be a general IMAP question, not
The Bat!, as I have the same problem with Thunderbird).

I thought with IMAP attachments would only be downloaded if I tried to open or
save them. But it seems they are being downloaded with the message text when I
click on a message. I am commonly sent Word files that may be 2 or 3 MB, even
when zipped. If I click on one of these messages, I have to wait for the
attachment to download before I can read the message.

Is there some setting I've missed that will display just the message text, and
leave the attachment until I'm ready to work with it?

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IMAP and searching?

[Ralph Inselsbacher]

Hello TBUDL,

i also tried out IMAP now and i'm confused, since there is no option to
search, not even in the mail headers...

Did i miss something or is that not possible with TB!

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IMAP and subfolders

[Brian S. Schang]

Hello:

I am having some difficulty getting The Bat! configured properly with 
IMAP and subfolders.

Basically I sort my incoming mail (via fetchmail) on my server. The 
messages are put into files in a subdirectory "Mail". So I have a 
directory structure like:

Inbox
Mail/Friends
Mail/Business
Mail/Newsletters/TheBat
Mail/Newsletters/Whatever
I have no problem subscribing to the folders, but The Bat! seems to 
want to check mail in "Mail" and "Mail/Newsletters". Since these are 
directories and not files (under University of Washington imap), The 
Bat! continually gets errors as it tries to get mail from these 
"folders". The error message is:

IMAP - Cannot select the mailbox "Mail". Server reports: SELECT 
failed: Can't open Mail: not a selectable mailbox

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

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IMAP and filters

[Sean H .]

I've been playing around with TB's IMAP a little bit, and find the
most annoying thing about it to be the lack of ability to filter
messages.  Automatic filtering doesn't work, and when I 're-filter' a
folder, all my messages just disappear. Not good, to say the least.

Scanning the various archives I can see that others have the same
problem.  Has anyone gotten filters to work with IMAP, and if so, how?

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Re: IMAP and spam

[Steve Thomas]

Hello ken,

Saturday, January 24, 2004, 5:54:39 PM, you wrote:

kg> I know that both Spampal and K9 appear to be popular spamkill programs,
kg> but they are for POP3 servers (as are most client-side spam filters).

kg> What do people use for IMAP-based accounts?


I've been testing Spampal with TB and IMAP.  I've got several POP
accounts and one test IMAP account, all running through Spampal
(127.0.0.1).  So far, so good.  Spampal automatically set-up an IMAP
folder called inbox.spamtrap.  All the suggested spam goes in there. I
found that to be very interesting.

I have no filters set-up on the IMAP account.

My main complaint is the frequent access violations I get with TB's
IMAP implementation.  Every time I get one, I need to close TB and
reopen to get IMAP working again.

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Re: IMAP and spam

[ken green]

Steve Thomas wrote:
> I've been testing Spampal with TB and IMAP.  I've got several POP
> accounts and one test IMAP account, all running through Spampal
> (127.0.0.1).  So far, so good.  Spampal automatically set-up an IMAP
> folder called inbox.spamtrap.  All the suggested spam goes in there. I
> found that to be very interesting.


Interesting I was under the impression that Spampal was POP only.

Sorry to hear about your access violations with IMAP - that definitely
is a problem.  Is that IMAP account created from scratch?

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Re: IMAP and spam

[Steve Thomas]

Hello ken,

Saturday, January 24, 2004, 6:16:53 PM, you wrote:

kg> Is that IMAP account created from scratch?


Yea, and deleted and re-added several times.   I've also deleted all
folders from the server and started over a couple of times - just as a
part of the learning process.

I still get access violations from time to time - no rhyme or reason
that I can see at this point.

The main thing that bugs me right now is that there is no way to
automatically compress folders on IMAP.  The "compress folders on
exit" doesn't work with IMAP.

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Re: IMAP and spam

[Steve Thomas]

Hello Allie,

Sunday, January 25, 2004, 3:35:11 AM, you wrote:

AM> This has been fixed for the next release. You could wait for the next
AM> release or download and try the latest beta, then tell us what you think
AM> on TBBETA.


I've never been a big "beta" person - though it seems that even
published releases for TB are "beta-like."

But, if you'll kindly repeat how to get it, I'll give it a try.

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Re: IMAP and spam

[ken green]

Steve Thomas wrote:
> Spampal automatically set-up an IMAP
> folder called inbox.spamtrap.  All the suggested spam goes in there. I
> found that to be very interesting.


Did you do anything different when setting this up?  Or was the only
different in The Bat! that it's using the IMAP protocol?

I know you are having trouble with IMAP in general :(  but would you
mind posting any relevant details/hints/instructions for setting up
SpamPal in The Bat using IMAP?

Thanks.

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Re: IMAP and spam

[ken green]

ken green wrote:
> I know you are having trouble with IMAP in general :(  but would you
> mind posting any relevant details/hints/instructions for setting up
> SpamPal in The Bat using IMAP?


Sorry.  Please disregard.  I was thinking of something else.  Spampal
claims to work with POP or IMAP accounts.  I stopped using it before
because I didn't like the changing of subject lines (for false
positives).  I have since seen that you can disable this and filter on
the SpamPal header entry.

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Re: IMAP and spam

[Steve Thomas]

Hello ken,

Sunday, January 25, 2004, 1:36:17 PM, you wrote:

kg> I know you are having trouble with IMAP in general :(

  "Having trouble" is too broad an expression.  It works.  I just get
  those occasional access violations, which occur occasionally when
  using the "Manage IMAP Folders" function.


kg> but would you
kg> mind posting any relevant details/hints/instructions for setting up
kg> SpamPal in The Bat using IMAP?

  Just follow the same instructions as with POP.  Set your Transport
  settings as follows:

  SMTP Server:  127.0.0.1 (Provided you've set SpamPal up to process
  outgoing mail - see below)
  Mail Server:  127.0.0.1
  User: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  SpamPal is pre-configured to process IMAP mail to port 143.  Make
  sure that you have the latest version of SpamPal.

  Also, check the instructions on the SpamPal site:
  http://www.spampal.org/usermanual/clients/bat/bat.html




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Re: IMAP and spam

[ken green]

Steve Thomas wrote:
>   Just follow the same instructions as with POP.  Set your Transport
>   settings as follows:


I have SpamPal set up and it seems to be working.  My first try resulted
in connection/login problems, but I was using SpamPal 1.50.  When I
upgraded to the most recent version (1.53), the connection problems went
away.

However, I don't see the inbox.spamtrap folder that was supposed to get
created.  I have shut down and restarted The Bat, tried synching all
folders, showing all folders... still no inbox.spamtrap folder.

Should I just create that?  I just now verified that this doesn't seem
like a TB problem - I just checked the account via IMAP web interface
and that folder is not there.

Advice?

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Re: IMAP and spam

[Steve Thomas]

Hello ken,

Sunday, January 25, 2004, 3:06:24 PM, you wrote:

kg> However, I don't see the inbox.spamtrap folder that was supposed to get
kg> created.


Did it find any spam?  I don't think that the folder was created until
it actually discovered some spam.

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Re: IMAP and spam

[ken green]

Steve Thomas wrote:
> Did it find any spam?  I don't think that the folder was created until
> it actually discovered some spam.


Interesting... That would make sense.. ;)  I created a top-level
spamtrap folder anyway.

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IMAP and Sorting Office..

[ken green]

Should Sorting Office work with IMAP accounts?  Because in v1.62r
filters work fine, but in v2.02.3 CE filters (both Incoming and Read) do
not work for IMAP accounts.

Now, knowing what I know about the IMAP protocol (admittedly, that's not
much...) is this the way IMAP accounts are *supposed* to be handled by
TB? That is, if IMAP is for managing mail on the server, the local
filters don't make sense?

Is there a way to download mail from an IMAP account and move it to a
local folder with a filter?  This seems like a reasonable request. ;)

If I manually move a message to a local folder (Common folder) while
connected to the IMAP server, that message gets marked for deletion.
This is what I want.  But can I get this using Sorting Office?

Obviously, I don't want to manually apply all my filters.

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IMAP and message download

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I use TB with an IMAP account. When I connect to the server then TB
retrieves the new message header. That's fine. When I click on a
header in the header pane then TB automatically retrieves the message
body. How can I stop this, because in many cases I'd like to delete
the message ?

I'd prefer if TB could download a body only when I open the message in
a separate message window or even manually. But I have not found a
setting for this. Do I overlook something ?

Thanks for help.

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Re: IMAP and attachments

[Allie Martin]

Tim, [T] wrote:

> I thought with IMAP attachments would only be downloaded if I tried
> to open or save them.

Not all IMAP clients will do this for you, especially on a message per
message basis. Mulberry has this ability well implemented. So if
you're finding this a show-stopper, give Mulberry a spin.

> But it seems they are being downloaded with the message text when I
> click on a message.

One of TB!'s synchronization options is to sync only message headers
and text. What this does is to download headers and the message body
text to the local cache. However, attachments are not downloaded. It's
not until you wish to save or view the attachments that TB! will
retrieve them.

However, this feature applies to a folder, in that the sync option
will apply to all messages in the folder. Sync'ing headers and text can
be a bit bandwidth intensive, so you could try that sync option for
folders that will contain messages with those large attachments. This
would be particularly good if you're able to do some server side
filtering that limits the amount of messages you'd be syncing in this
way.

> I am commonly sent Word files that may be 2 or 3 MB, even when
> zipped. If I click on one of these messages, I have to wait for the
> attachment to download before I can read the message.

I can feel your pain, though it's not really a problem for me. I don't
commonly receive large attachments and even at work where attachments,
even of moderate sizes could pose a problem, they're not downloaded
when viewing message bodies with SquirrelMail WebMail.

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Re: IMAP and attachments

[Tim]

Quoting Allie Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> One of TB!'s synchronization options is to sync only message headers
> and text. What this does is to download headers and the message body
> text to the local cache. However, attachments are not downloaded. It's
> not until you wish to save or view the attachments that TB! will
> retrieve them.
> 

I'll have another look at this when I get home, but I think I tried it and it
didn't solve the problem.

I initially set my synchronisation to "Headers and text", then changed it to
"Headers only" because when I started the computer in the morning I couldn't do
anything for 10 minutes while The Bat! synchronised -- and I'm sure it was
downloading the attachments during that time.

At least The Bat! caches it properly so it only downloads once. Thunderbird,
even when I set it to use offline mode, still insisted on downloading the whole
thing most (but not all) times that I clicked on a particular message.

I have been tempted to give up using a local client and just use Horde or
Squirrelmail, but I've found that after several years using The Bat! my work
processes are dependent on quick templates and manual filters, and it's too
hard to change.

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Re: IMAP and searching?

[Allie Martin]

Hi Ralph,
  On 28/3/2005 3:06 PM +0200, you wrote:
i also tried out IMAP now and i'm confused, since there is no option
to search, not even in the mail headers...
Did i miss something or is that not possible with TB!
What do you mean no option to search. You have all searching options at 
your disposal.

The search dialog doesn't seem to work since there's no progress bar to 
look at and it always claims the search is complete. However, if you 
wait, the matching messages eventually appear. Uncomfortable interface 
issues, I grant you.

The alt-click and quick searching also work.
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Re: IMAP and searching?

[Ralph Inselsbacher]

Allie Martin wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:30:23 PM (687 Beats):

> Actually, no. It'll just work, but it wouldn't be as fast as if you had
> all message bodies locally cached.

Well, the only "search" method that works for me, is the alt-click-method
(how do i return from those search results to normal view). The other two
don't work.

Funny too is, that i can't quoute mails with F4, i only get a blank
template - only a reply works.

>>> The alt-click and quick searching also work.
>>
>> How to use those?

> Hold down the alt button while clicking on any item in the message 
> list.  TB! will list all messages containing the same message list 
> element.
> So if you wish to see all messages from me, just hold down the alt 
> button and click on my name in the message list. You can do the same 
> for message subject, and the various flags. You may wish to see all 
> messages with attachments. Just alt-click on the attachment icon in a 
> message containing an attachment. It's a great feature.

> The quick search works by just typing in the message list field, the 
> string that you're searching for. The quick search will do only message 
> list searches. Not whole message searches.


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Re: IMAP and searching?

[Ralph Inselsbacher]

Allie Martin wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:30:23 PM (687 Beats):

> Actually, no. It'll just work, but it wouldn't be as fast as if you had
> all message bodies locally cached.

Well, the only "search" method that works for me, is the alt-click-method
(how do i return from those search results to normal view). The other two
don't work.

Funny too is, that i can't quoute mails with F4, i only get a blank
template - only a reply works.

>>> The alt-click and quick searching also work.
>>
>> How to use those?

> Hold down the alt button while clicking on any item in the message 
> list.  TB! will list all messages containing the same message list 
> element.
> So if you wish to see all messages from me, just hold down the alt 
> button and click on my name in the message list. You can do the same 
> for message subject, and the various flags. You may wish to see all 
> messages with attachments. Just alt-click on the attachment icon in a 
> message containing an attachment. It's a great feature.

> The quick search works by just typing in the message list field, the 
> string that you're searching for. The quick search will do only message 
> list searches. Not whole message searches.


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Re: IMAP and searching?

[Ralph Inselsbacher]

And finally, i see you can sign your messages. However, PGP doesn't seem
to work when i chose my IMAP account as my sending account in templates...

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Re: IMAP and searching?

[Ralph Inselsbacher]

Ralph Inselsbacher wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:50:15 PM (701 Beats):

> And finally, i see you can sign your messages. However, PGP doesn't seem
> to work when i chose my IMAP account as my sending account in templates...

Oops. It sometimes works and sometimes doesn't...

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Re: IMAP and searching?

[Allie Martin]

Hi Ralph,
  On 28/3/2005 3:46 PM +0200, you wrote:
Well, the only "search" method that works for me, is the
alt-click-method (how do i return from those search results to normal
view). The other two don't work.
Hmmm. Current TB! IMAP is such that I really can't speak with 
confidence about what you should be experiencing. It may very well be 
that the search isn't working for you since, for message body searches, 
TB! queries the server and the search is done on the server. The 
results are then sent back to TB!. This why the search dialog just sits 
there claiming the search was done and no matches found. You wait and 
then the matches suddenly appear.

Funny too is, that i can't quoute mails with F4, i only get a blank
template - only a reply works.
Do you first select what it is you wish to quote? F4 will quote only 
what you select. If nothing is selected, nothing is quoted. Of course, 
you very likely already know this and are just pointing out erratic 
behaviour on your system.

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Re: IMAP and searching?

[Allie Martin]

Hi Ralph,
  On 28/3/2005 3:50 PM +0200, you wrote:
And finally, i see you can sign your messages. However, PGP doesn't
seem to work when i chose my IMAP account as my sending account in
templates...
BTW, I see that you're running a beta version, and a beta version that 
I simply couldn't use for IMAP.

The last decent beta for IMAP was v3.0.2.8. I'd try that one instead.
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Re: IMAP and searching?

[Ralph Inselsbacher]

Allie Martin wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:58:04 PM (706 Beats):

> Hmmm. Current TB! IMAP is such that I really can't speak with 
> confidence about what you should be experiencing. It may very well be 
> that the search isn't working for you since, for message body searches, 
> TB! queries the server and the search is done on the server. The 
> results are then sent back to TB!. This why the search dialog just sits 
> there claiming the search was done and no matches found. You wait and 
> then the matches suddenly appear.

That's a pity, because Thunderbird and Outlook 2003 really seem to cache
the mails because one can search.

> Do you first select what it is you wish to quote? F4 will quote only 
> what you select. If nothing is selected, nothing is quoted. Of course, 
> you very likely already know this and are just pointing out erratic 
> behaviour on your system.

Sorry, simply forgot 'bout selecting what to quoute before...

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Re: IMAP and searching?

[Ralph Inselsbacher]

Allie Martin wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 4:00:35 PM (708 Beats):

> BTW, I see that you're running a beta version, and a beta version that 
> I simply couldn't use for IMAP.

AFAIK, my version was is the latest release version... confused now...

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Re: IMAP and searching?

[Allie Martin]

Hi Ralph,
  On 28/3/2005 4:16 PM +0200, you wrote:
That's a pity, because Thunderbird and Outlook 2003 really seem to
cache the mails because one can search.
For IMAP, you don't need to cache mail bodies to search. You shouldn't 
have to do that. ThunderBird doesn't cache mail bodies for searching. 
It queries the server. Same for Mulberry, the client I'm currently 
using most often.

If you have a relatively slow connection, you couldn't do searches if 
you had to cache everything locally for searching.

I've never used Outlook, so I can't speak for it.
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Re: IMAP and searching?

[Ralph Inselsbacher]

Allie Martin wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 4:26:03 PM (726 Beats):

> For IMAP, you don't need to cache mail bodies to search. You shouldn't 
> have to do that. ThunderBird doesn't cache mail bodies for searching. 
> It queries the server. Same for Mulberry, the client I'm currently 
> using most often.

You're right. Neither Thunderbird nor Outlook do cache. It seems my
provider doesn't offer a server-search, so my only way to search are
message headers. As for bandwith: i use a 2mbit line, so that shouldn't be
the bottleneck, i guess.

Gotta try out the newer version you mentioned...

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Re: IMAP and searching?

[Allie Martin]

Hi Ralph,
  On 28/3/2005 4:20 PM +0200, you wrote:
AFAIK, my version was is the latest release version... confused now...
Don't be. I'm the one confused. You're right!!! Sorry. :)
IMAP is always changing. It's like a sinus wave of improvements and 
setbacks.

I'd say IMAP was at a peak with the beta version 3.0.2.8.
It then took a steep dip in reliability with the introduction of 
multiple server connection support with v3.0.2.10 .

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Re: IMAP and searching?

[Allie Martin]

Hi Ralph,
  On 28/3/2005 4:48 PM +0200, you wrote:
As for bandwith: i use a 2mbit line, so that shouldn't be
the bottleneck, i guess.
That depends on the throughput your IMAP server allows. Bandwidth 
throttling may be there. However, if you are getting a 2Mbit connection 
then it shouldn't be a problem for you to retrieve all message bodies 
to  cache for searching.

Gotta try out the newer version you mentioned...
Yes.
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IMAP and GMX (Mailprovider)

[o . voelker]

Hi!

I did some test with IMAP and  GMX and discovered some problems:

1. I create a new folder in The Bat. It is shown correct within GMX, but I
have to restart The Bat to see the folder.
2. Existing folders using umlauts are shown very funny within the Bat (e.g.
Pers&APY-nlich instead of Persönlich)
3. I cann't create subfolders. Is that not supportet by GMX?


BTW... What is the correct setting to get all messages and than delete it it
at the server automatically?

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IMAP and delete/trash

[Clive Taylor]

I'm experiencing some show-stopping problems using IMAP with TB 2.0.
I know others have reported problems but are they wide spread or is
there a peculiarity on individual machines making IMAP a real pain?

1. TB will not delete messages from their folder or from the
server. Pressing delete does nothing. Changing advanced
options|mail management to "mark as delete" does no such thing.
It removes the message from the message list on hitting delete
but the message does not appear in Trash or on the server as
deleted - or marked for deletion.

2. I can't configure a trash folder anyway. The account log tells
me the folder "Inbox.Trash" doesn't exist. Where are deleted
messages supposed to end up - assuming they are deletable in the
first place?
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Re: IMAP and subfolders

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Brian,

Thursday, September 4, 2003, 6:12:47 AM, you wrote:
BSS> So I'm inferring that everyone has the same problem and it's not
BSS> unique to my configuration??


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Brian.

This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting.

Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message
and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we
actually request that you not do so on this list because

a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top
of the message

and

b) It encourages excessive quoting.

We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which
you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then
below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more
than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and
follow each part with your response.

Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you
may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this.
However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer
and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that
will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll
likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is
comfortable for them to read and understand.

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Re: IMAP and subfolders

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hello Brian,

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 10:50:34 PM, you wrote:

BSS> I have no problem subscribing to the folders, but The Bat! seems to
BSS> want to check mail in "Mail" and "Mail/Newsletters". Since these are
BSS> directories and not files (under University of Washington imap), The
BSS> Bat! continually gets errors as it tries to get mail from these 
BSS> "folders".

Do you mean - TB! just loops endlessly there and prevent other folders
to be read or something else? By the way, an error sound could be
switched off in the "Options|Preferences" dialogue at the System
page...



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Re: IMAP and subfolders

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On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Stefan Tanurkov wrote...

BSS>> I have no problem subscribing to the folders, but The Bat! seems
BSS>> to want to check mail in "Mail" and "Mail/Newsletters".

> Do you mean - TB! just loops endlessly there and prevent other
> folders to be read or something else? By the way, an error sound
> could be switched off in the "Options|Preferences" dialogue at the
> System page...

I'd have thought you would be doing a check for \NoSelect before
checking the status of a folder. Or even building a view of what is
selectable and what isn't on first login.

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Re: IMAP and subfolders

[Brian S. Schang]

Stefan:

--On Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:00 PM -0400 Stefan Tanurkov 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Do you mean - TB! just loops endlessly there and prevent other
folders to be read or something else? By the way, an error sound
could be switched off in the "Options|Preferences" dialogue at the
System page...
No, all folders eventually get read. Basically this is what I think 
is happening...

Say my subscriptions are like:
Inbox
Mail/Friends
Mail/Business
By looking at the log, The Bat! seems to check Inbox, Mail, Friends 
and Business for mail - essentially four places. However, only Inbox, 
Friends and Business contain messages. In essence, Mail is just a 
directory on my file system that contain files for my Friends and 
Business e-mail. Since Mail is a directory, it cannot itself contain 
messages.

When The Bat! tries to select Mail during its polling, I get the 
message:
  IMAP - Cannot select the mailbox "Mail". Server reports: SELECT 
failed: Can't open Mail: not a selectable mailbox

I can't figure out how to get The Bat! to skip SELECTing Mail. I have 
Mail deselected in The Bat! folder manager.

Does this help explain things a bit more?

Thanks for mentioning the error sound disable. I had been looking for 
that.. It must have been too late at night when I was looking. :-)

I appreciate your help.

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Re: IMAP and subfolders

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, September 05, 2003, Brian S. Schang wrote...

> When The Bat! tries to select Mail during its polling, I get the
> message:
>IMAP - Cannot select the mailbox "Mail". Server reports: SELECT 
> failed: Can't open Mail: not a selectable mailbox

> I can't figure out how to get The Bat! to skip SELECTing Mail. I have
> Mail deselected in The Bat! folder manager.

> Does this help explain things a bit more?

> Thanks for mentioning the error sound disable. I had been looking for
> that.. It must have been too late at night when I was looking. :-)

Based on what Stefan said in reply to my message, he missed a little
code in TB. Some IMAP servers support folders that don't contain mail,
which in your case is Mail/. That folder then gets a special flag
\NoSelect which should tell clients not to select it. However (as
Stefan said), it hasn't been coded to respect that I believe. I dare
say he'll fix it quickly.

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Re: IMAP and subfolders

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, September 05, 2003, Stefan Tanurkov wrote...

> Please add it to the BT so it's not forgotten :-)

Is the BT back up and running again?

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Re: IMAP and subfolders

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, September 05, 2003, Brian S. Schang wrote...

JA>>> I'd have thought you would be doing a check for \NoSelect before
JA>>> checking the status of a folder. Or even building a view of what
JA>>> is selectable and what isn't on first login.

>> Please add it to the BT so it's not forgotten :-) The \NoSelect
>> flag can be detected, but it is not used right now...

> What is the \NoSelect flag?

A folder that is not allowed to be selected has a special flag put on
it. When using the LSUB command in IMAP, the \NoSelect status is
returned for the folder meaning you should NOT issue a SELECT
[folder]. If you do, the IMAP server WILL return errors, which is what
you're seeing.

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Re: IMAP and subfolders

[Urban]

Friday, September 5, 2003, Jonathan Angliss wrote:

> Is the BT back up and running again?

What's the BT?

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Re: IMAP and subfolders

["Jonathan Angliss"]

On September 5, 5:07 pm Urban wrote:
>>  Is the BT back up and running again?
>
> What's the BT?

It's the Bug Tracker.  It was on the mail site, but it was shut down while
they rebuilt their site.  I haven't had a chance to check to see if it's up
again yet.

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Re: IMAP and subfolders

[Brian S. Schang]

Hello:

Inbox
Inbox.subs
Inbox.subs.TBUDL
Inbox.xxx
Inbox.xxx.yyy

So do Inbox.subs and Inbox.xxx contain messages, or are they just
entities to hold TBUDL and yyy respectively?

I have a similar structure and in my case they could contain
messages, because they are regular folders, but they are empty...
which doesn't bother The Bat! at all. :-) Why not do it that way?
I'm going to show my ignorance here ... I'm not sure how to do that. 
Even when I create a subfolder within The Bat!, it shows up as a 
directory in my file system.

It's my understanding (maybe erroneously) that not all 
implementations of IMAP allow for folder to contain messages 
themselves?? I'm using the University of Washington version that 
ships with Red Hat 7.2.

For what it's worth, I've used Outlook Express, Mulberry and 
SquirrelMail and have not seen this problem before. I could be doing 
something wrong, but it's odd that no other programs I've used have 
complained.

Does anyone know how to set up folders to contain messages 
themselves? Indeed this would solve my problem, and would even make 
my folder structure more flexible. :-)

Thanks.

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Re: IMAP and subfolders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Urban,

On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:07:15 +0200 GMT (06/09/2003, 05:07 +0700 GMT),
Urban wrote:

>> Is the BT back up and running again?

> What's the BT?

Ritlabs' bugtracker system: www.ritlabs.com/bt

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Re: IMAP and subfolders

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On Friday, September 05, 2003, Brian S. Schang wrote...

>> I have a similar structure and in my case they could contain
>> messages, because they are regular folders, but they are empty...
>> which doesn't bother The Bat! at all. :-) Why not do it that way?

> I'm going to show my ignorance here ... I'm not sure how to do that.
> Even when I create a subfolder within The Bat!, it shows up as a
> directory in my file system.

> It's my understanding (maybe erroneously) that not all
> implementations of IMAP allow for folder to contain messages
> themselves?? I'm using the University of Washington version that
> ships with Red Hat 7.2.

That's not an erroneous statement at all. In fact, a very valid
statement. This is why their is a \NoSelect option to reflect that the
folder may not be selected, and may not contain mail.

> Does anyone know how to set up folders to contain messages
> themselves? Indeed this would solve my problem, and would even make
> my folder structure more flexible. :-)

If you cannot setup folders to contain mail, then you are indeed
looking at a bug in the implementation of the IMAP protocol.  I
believe Stefan is probably already working on it based on his comments
earlier in this thread.  It should be interesting to see how he
manages to work out what IMAP servers require you to put in the folder
delimiter to make folders that may contain subs, and normal mail
folders.  I think there may be a hint in the RFCs for it, I'd have to
look it up.

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Re: IMAP and filters

[ken green]

Sean H . wrote:
> Has anyone gotten filters to work with IMAP, and if so, how?


I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean that *no* filters work for you
at all? Or only certain filters? I am using v1.62, which is limited in
IMAP functionality compared to v2, but I am able to use filters with
IMAP accounts.

Can you describe the specific filters that aren't working?  AFAIK, the
only filter limitation with IMAP is Selective Download.

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Re: IMAP and filters

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, Sean H. wrote...

> I've been playing around with TB's IMAP a little bit, and find the
> most annoying thing about it to be the lack of ability to filter
> messages.  Automatic filtering doesn't work, and when I 're-filter' a
> folder, all my messages just disappear. Not good, to say the least.

I think the filters stuff is on the works of a rewrite, this is
probably to account for the new IMAP protocol support, and some newer
features. I'm finding it awfully frustrating that I cannot filter
mail, so you're not the only one.

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Re: IMAP and filters

[ken green]

Jim D wrote:
> I beg to differ. What you are effectively doing is popping your IMAP
> account and filtering email in local folders. It's not really IMAP
> because mail on the server stays in the Inbox. You just move it around
> in your local folders.

Ahh.. yes, you are correct. When I think of *filters* I think of what TB
does to a particular message (in the context of my installation -
locally). What you are describing I would call folder management and/or
server-side filters.  My misunderstanding.


> I got excited about IMAP in v2.0, I stopped using IMAP, because it
> still has problems with managing folders and filtering email. But it's
> much better than in 1.62, so I am hopeful that by 2.5 or 3.0, we'll
> have it 100% right!  :p

Without starting a huge debate, can some people weigh in on what the
pros and cons are for IMAP?  I understand the protocol a bit, and can
see the benefit of the travelling person (managing messages on the
server). But what does IMAP offer that cannot be done in The Bat with
Dispatcher - even with POP accounts?

Maybe a better question is what is on the horizon for TB - that is, what
is The Bat *close to* being able to do that cannot be done w/
Dispatcher?

I've gone back and forth - it ultimately doesn't matter much to me. When
I access my mailboxes remotely, I use a web interface or some other
mobile means (geek) and I have those methods set to use IMAP.

I understand POP can get messy if accessed from multiple machines,
leaving copies on the server (ex: duplicate messages).  But if only one
access point in POP and the rest are IMAP, then things should be OK. At
least this is what I've been told... :)

The problem I have with TB's 1.62 IMAP is that it will only download
untouched (unread) messages.  I actually lost some important e-mail this
way. I had accessed my mail with my phone and when I returned, it
appeared that all my messages had been downloaded, so I deleted
everything off the server.  When I went to look for a specific message I
read on my phone it was nowhere to be found!

I don't think POP accounts behave this way, but I could be wrong.

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FYI: IMAP and GMX

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

for those fellow Bat users that have a Pro account with GMX I thought
I'd provide the following snippet of information.

I noticed that my IMAP to GMX connection frequently gets disconnected by
the server. I contacted GMX's support about this and received as an
answer that problems might occur when using The Bat for IMAP access. The
statement went on to say that GMX can offer no solution.

Great. I wish they had told me what exactly causes those problems.

I suggest that other The Bat GMX users with IMAP problems also contact
GMX and see if they get better answers. Make yourselves heard.

Regards,

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Re[2]: IMAP and spam

[Allie Martin]

Steve Thomas, [ST] wrote:

ST> Yea, and deleted and re-added several times. I've also deleted all
ST> folders from the server and started over a couple of times - just as
ST> a part of the learning process.

ST> I still get access violations from time to time - no rhyme or reason
ST> that I can see at this point.

Yeah. Those still tend to occur when deleting and creating folders using
the "Manage IMAP folders". There's no real pattern either.

ST> The main thing that bugs me right now is that there is no way to
ST> automatically compress folders on IMAP.  The "compress folders on
ST> exit" doesn't work with IMAP.

This has been fixed for the next release. You could wait for the next
release or download and try the latest beta, then tell us what you think
on TBBETA.

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Re[2]: IMAP and spam

[Allie Martin]

Steve Thomas, [ST] wrote:

ST> I've never been a big "beta" person - though it seems that even
ST> published releases for TB are "beta-like."

ST> But, if you'll kindly repeat how to get it, I'll give it a try.

Subscribe for TB! beta downloads here
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/

The beta downloads page is here
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

If you have things to share, or issues to discuss, please join us here
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The whole process is in the TBUDL info site, the URL for which is in the
list footers.

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Re: IMAP and SpamPal setup

[ken green]

FWIW, anyone setting up SpamPal on The Bat should shut down and re-start
TB after setting up an IMAP server the first time.

I thought it was an upgrade/latest version issue, but it happened again
with the second IMAP account I set up. I would get login errors trying
to connect to the IMAP server right after setting up the account.
Closing TB and re-starting fixed the problem.

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Re: IMAP and SpamPal setup

[Steve Thomas]

Hello ken,

Sunday, January 25, 2004, 3:26:42 PM, you wrote:

kg> Ken Green
kg>  Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4


Also, Ken, please note that my experience with TB and SpamPal is with
version 2.02.  I have no idea how all this will work with version 1.6.

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Re: IMAP and SpamPal setup

[ken green]

Steve Thomas wrote:
> Also, Ken, please note that my experience with TB and SpamPal is with
> version 2.02.  I have no idea how all this will work with version 1.6.


Sorry for the confusion.  I am running two versions of The Bat on my
desktop and laptop.  My laptop has The Bat 2.03 CE installed and that's
where I'm trying out SpamPal.

The documentation for SpamPal *does* state that IMAP support for The Bat
is for version 2 and above..

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Re: IMAP and Sorting Office..

[Allie Martin]

ken green wrote:

kg> Should Sorting Office work with IMAP accounts?

It currently doesn't work automatically on incoming Inbox messages.

This is being worked on.

kg> Because in v1.62r filters work fine, but in v2.02.3 CE filters
kg> (both Incoming and Read) do not work for IMAP accounts.

The do work, but you have to run them manually.

Read and replied filters do work automatically though.

kg> Now, knowing what I know about the IMAP protocol (admittedly,
kg> that's not much...) is this the way IMAP accounts are *supposed*
kg> to be handled by TB?

No. Autofiltering of newly added mail to the INBOX should be possible.

kg> That is, if IMAP is for managing mail on the server, the local
kg> filters don't make sense?

They most definitely do. In fact, currently, anything you do with
messages locally are reflected on the server when synchronising. So
manual filtering, flagging, moving and copying of messages, all when
done locally, is reflected server side during the sync process.

kg> Is there a way to download mail from an IMAP account and move it to a
kg> local folder with a filter?  This seems like a reasonable request. ;)

We'll have to patient where this is concerned.

Currently, I use server side filters in addition to local read filters
to filter my mail.

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Re: IMAP and Sorting Office..

[ken green]

Allie Martin wrote:
> It currently doesn't work automatically on incoming Inbox messages.
> This is being worked on.

OK.  Manual is better than nothing, I suppose... :)



> Read and replied filters do work automatically though.

Not my experience.  But I could have done something wrong.  I will test
this some more.  How are you marking items as read?

I wouldn't mind making *ALL* filters (for my IMAP/non-mail accounts)
Read filters.  I set them up to work only when a message is UnParked AND
UnFlagged, so as I read mail (all in Inbox) messages get moved unless I
mark them.  <-- this is working fine in 1.62r, by the way.




kg>> Now, knowing what I know about the IMAP protocol (admittedly,
kg>> that's not much...) is this the way IMAP accounts are *supposed*
kg>> to be handled by TB?

> No. Autofiltering of newly added mail to the INBOX should be possible.

Well, like I said, I'll be happy if I can get autofiltering on READ
messages to work.



kg>> That is, if IMAP is for managing mail on the server, the local
kg>> filters don't make sense?

> They most definitely do. In fact, currently, anything you do with
> messages locally are reflected on the server when synchronising. So
> manual filtering, flagging, moving and copying of messages, all when
> done locally, is reflected server side during the sync process.

What about folders that are not on the server? Are they automatically
created during the sync process? What about folders set to NOT sync? It
looks like moving items to folders not set to sync marks the item for
deletion. I will double-check that behavior, but that is what I want -
if I move a message to a common folder for reference/archiving/etc.,
marking it for deletion on the server - only after the move - would be
great.

This would allow messages to download throughout the day to my desktop
and still allow access remotely - using Read or manual filters on the
desktop, messages wouldn't get moved until I read/processed them, so
they wouldn't be deleted.

Hope that makes sense.



kg>> Is there a way to download mail from an IMAP account and move it to a
kg>> local folder with a filter?  This seems like a reasonable request. ;)

> We'll have to patient where this is concerned.

Read filters and manual processing is good enough for me for now :)  I
can be patient if the read filters will work.  I have not installed any
betas yet (clean, fresh install of CE)... maybe that is why the read
filters didn't work?



> Currently, I use server side filters in addition to local read filters
> to filter my mail.

What do you mean by server side filters?  If you're talking about
server-side admin because you have full access to your mail server, then
never mind - I don't have that kind of access.

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Re: IMAP and Sorting Office..

[ken green]

Allie Martin wrote:
> There are two ways a message can be marked as read.

> - you manually mark it read.

> - it's automatically marked as read as defined in the account
>   preferences/options.

Understood.  I don't expect the filters to work when manually marking
messages read.




> Read filters will be auto executed only when

> a) messages are automatically flagged as read by your defined time
> delay after it's being viewed, and

> and

> b) you now move to another message or folder/account.

> If you manually mark a message as read and then switch to another
> message, the filter will not execute.

Yes, this is how read filters work for me in 1.62r.





kg>> I wouldn't mind making *ALL* filters (for my IMAP/non-mail accounts)
kg>> Read filters.  I set them up to work only when a message is UnParked AND
kg>> UnFlagged, so as I read mail (all in Inbox) messages get moved unless I
kg>> mark them.  <-- this is working fine in 1.62r, by the way.

> Hmmm. They work no differently for IMAP, so if you have them working
> for POP then they should be working for IMAP.

But they're not



> By the way, if your connection isn't fast, then messages will not be
> moved right away but on the next sync operation.

Cable modem connection.  Other operations seem fast enough.  I don't
think this is the problem.




> Try dragging and dropping a message to another folder. If your
> connection is fast, the operation should be immediately carried out as
> if it were POP. However, if the connection is slow, it would seem as
> if nothing happened. At the next sync operation, TB! will send
> commands to the server to carry out the move operation and then the
> folders will be sync'd to reflect the move.

> Could this be the problem with your read filters?

Isn't this (the "fast" and "slow" connection) set in account properties?
I have it set for fast connection. RE: dragging and dropping to another
folder - I will confirm, but yes, I believe the behavior you describe is
what is happening.



kg>> What about folders that are not on the server? Are they
kg>> automatically created during the sync process?

> I don't understand what you're asking there. How would a local folder
> be automatically created during a sync operation?

When a folder is created, you have the choice of whether is syncs or
not.  If no, it remains local only, right?  If it is synched with the
server, it gets created on the server, right?




kg>> What about folders set to NOT sync? It looks like moving items to
kg>> folders not set to sync marks the item for deletion.

> When you move a message from one folder to another, the copy in the
> source folder is marked for deletion while a copy is placed in the
> target folder. The copy in the source folder is permanently removed
> when the folder is compressed or expunged, expunged being the IMAP
> specific term used.

This is how I understand IMAP in this context and is the behavior I
want.




> I don't have any common folders here, but let's try here and see. I
> have a slow connection here at work.

> OK. I dragged and dropped the messages just fine. I'm not surprised
> with this since the source IMAP folders are set to fully sync with the
> servers. As a result, I have cached copies of messages. The moved
> messages were removed from the source IMAP folders list, i.e., marked
> for deleteion, and if I choose to compress/expunge, they'll be
> permanently removed.

Yes, I can *manually* move messages to common folders.  I was trying to
move messages to common folders with an auto-filter.  I had set up a
hierarchy of folders that were outside my mail accounts.  For me, this
was the best way to organize business mail as well as personal projects,
because the source messages didn't always come from the same account.  I
didn't want my folders "tied" to a specific mail account.

Perhaps this isn't a good way to do things when using IMAP?



kg>> Read filters and manual processing is good enough for me for now :)  I
kg>> can be patient if the read filters will work.  I have not installed any
kg>> betas yet (clean, fresh install of CE)... maybe that is why the read
kg>> filters didn't work?

> Probably, though I do recall them working since I started using IMAP.

Read filters are only working half-way for me.  I can get the messages
colored, but not moved to a common folder.  *Sometimes* messages will
move to a folder within the account (set to sync with server).

I suspect I may be doing something or have some setting wrong.  This may
be something obvious that I've just missed



> I'd recommend trying the latest beta if you're an IMAP user. The last
> series of betas have been mainly bug fixing oriented, so they've been
> safe to use (is any software safe?). :)

I've started using the betas again, and installed 47 last night.  Same
problem with Read filters (not moving to common folders).  I will keep
trying though.




kg>> What do you mean by server side filters?

> Filtering done on the server.

kg

Re: IMAP and Sorting Office..

[ken green]

Allie Martin wrote:
kg>> I have it set for fast connection. RE: dragging and dropping to
kg>> another folder - I will confirm, but yes, I believe the behavior
kg>> you describe is what is happening.

> In the mail management setup for the account properties, do you have
> the 'autoconnect to server' options checked for all those options. In
> this way, when you do anything with an IMAP folder, a sync operation
> is done to update the server?

No.  I had auto-connect for -managing folders and -when account is
selected.  NOT -by any command.  Will try that and report back.



kg>> When a folder is created, you have the choice of whether is syncs
kg>> or not. If no, it remains local only, right? If it is synched with
kg>> the server, it gets created on the server, right?

> I've been wondering about this. From what I've been seeing, it would
> seem that creating a root folder for an IMAP account leads to a
> corresponding IMAP folder being created at the server level.

At what point does the folder's synchronization settings take over?  If
a folder is set to synch and it doesn't exist on the server, shouldn't
it then get created?  Or should it be created on the server first, or
through Folder management, etc.?



> But then again, I only create folders at home and I do full sync's
> with all folders at home. Maybe this is why corresponding server side
> folders are being created. I'll do some testing later.

Not sure what you mean by at home or why that would be different.
(unless you are referring to that fact that you are not now at home and
will check later when you *are* at home)



kg>> Yes, I can *manually* move messages to common folders.  I was
kg>> trying to move messages to common folders with an auto-filter.

> Stick a pin! :)

???




> Now, I didn't realize that you're trying to filter from an IMAP folder
> to a common folder. I've never tried this and will try this later.
> Have you tried auto-filtering to another IMAP folder? I do that a lot
> and it works.

Actually, yes.  I believe filtering to another folder WITHIN THAT
ACCOUNT does in fact work.  Will double-check, but I'm pretty sure that
was one of my tests and it worked.



> TB! doesn't filter across IMAP accounts and may very well not filter
> to common folders.

This explains why I cannot filter to common folders.  By their very
nature, common folders don't "belong" to any account.  It appears that
common folders and IMAP are not going to dance together.  I can live
with that.



>  Can you manually filter from the IMAP INBOX to a
> common folder?

You keep mentioning "manually filter" and it is confusing me.  Aside
from selecting the "Re-filter messages from a folder right-click" I
don't know how you would *manually* filter.  And the re-filter messages
option is grayed out for all IMAP accounts.  Is it available to you?



kg>> I had set up a hierarchy of folders that were outside my mail
kg>> accounts. For me, this was the best way to organize business mail
kg>> as well as personal projects, because the source messages didn't
kg>> always come from the same account. I didn't want my folders "tied"
kg>> to a specific mail account.

kg>> Perhaps this isn't a good way to do things when using IMAP?

> Perhaps not now, when the facility for auto-filtering to common folders
> hasn't been dealt with.

If you cannot filter across accounts, then filtering to common folders
isn't going to happen.  But if filtering across accounts will become
available in the future, I don't see why filtering to common folders
couldn't be implemented as well.

The problem I see with filtering across accounts is the heavier traffic
and server load.  Is it substantially more complicated?




kg>> Read filters are only working half-way for me.  I can get the
kg>> messages colored, but not moved to a common folder.

> I have bad news. When they're moved, they lose their colour change. :/
> This problem is known and ways to get around this is being looked at.

kg>> You are correct.  I forgot about that.  I actually set up a bunch of
kg>> filters that way once before, but removed them because 1.62r wasn't
kg>> synching folders properly and I couldn't download messages that had been
kg>> filtered.  But I bet v2 will utilize server-side filters exactly how I
kg>> want.  Hmmm

> They will work. However, the filtering can only be done to server side
> folders and not your local common folders.

kg>> Server-side filtering is a really good idea..

> It's great for me.

kg>> Thanks again for all your help.

> No prob. :)


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frustration and worry about IMAP in general has grown into a
Bat-specific discussion, so I thought I'd continue here.  Besides, I was
getting confused going back and forth!]
*

allie_M wrote:
kg>> Your advice later is good.  I am going to do my best to get IMAP as
kg>> functional as I can (working with the limitations of The Bat) and
kg>> then decide.

> Good. Get those serve

Re: IMAP and message download

[9Val]

Hello Mml, 

Mmd> body. How can I stop this, because in many cases I'd like to delete
Mmd> the message ?
You can't stop it yet.

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Re[2]: IMAP and searching?

[Ralph Inselsbacher]

Allie Martin wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:12:13 PM (675 Beats):

> What do you mean no option to search. You have all searching options at 
> your disposal.

For a full text search, i guess, i have to make a full sync - is that
right?

> The search dialog doesn't seem to work since there's no progress bar to 
> look at and it always claims the search is complete. However, if you 
> wait, the matching messages eventually appear. Uncomfortable interface 
> issues, I grant you.

> The alt-click and quick searching also work.

How to use those?

Thank you, gotta give that a try.

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Re[2]: IMAP and searching?

[scuddy]

Hello Ralph,
Monday, March 28, 2005, 7:46:40 AM, you wrote:

RI> Well, the only "search" method that works for me, is the alt-click-method
RI> (how do i return from those search results to normal view). The other two
RI> don't work.

To  get  the quick search to work you first have to select a message in
the  list.  In  other  words your main highlight has to be in the list
area and not on the message itself or in the folder list.

Once it is there if you start typing a box should pop up with the
letter you just typed. The first message to match this letter will now
be highlighted. As you continue typing the message selected will
change to match what you are typing. In the latest beta, once the
selection  you  are trying to find is typed if you push enter you will
get a list of all matches only (much like the Alt+click method).

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Re[2]: IMAP and searching?

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Ralph,
Monday, March 28, 2005, 8:20:10 AM, you wrote:

>> BTW, I see that you're running a beta version, and a beta version that
>> I simply couldn't use for IMAP.

RI> AFAIK, my version was is the latest release version... confused now...

Yes,  I believe it is. And given that fact you may straighten out some
of  you  problems by getting the version Allie mentioned which was the
last more or less stable beta that solved some of the issues with your
version. (Note: your mileage may vary)

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Re[2]: IMAP and searching?

[Matt Thoene]

On Monday, March 28, 2005 @ 5:58:04 AM [-0700], Allie Martin wrote:

> This why the search dialog just sits 
> there claiming the search was done and no matches found. You wait and
> then the matches suddenly appear.

Ugh. This is such a bad "feature". I don't know how many times I've
closed down the search window thinking it just wasn't working. I only
discovered this when I left it open by mistake and suddenly saw all
kinds of results on my search. At the least it should say something
like "Querying server...".

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Re: IMAP and GMX (Mailprovider)

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Oliver wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> I did some test with IMAP and  GMX and discovered some problems:

> 1. I create a new folder in The Bat. It is shown correct within GMX, but I
> have to restart The Bat to see the folder.

Have you tried the IMAP folder management dialog, it should find the new
folder.

> 2. Existing folders using umlauts are shown very funny within the Bat
> (e.g. Pers&APY-nlich instead of Persönlich)

This has already been reported, it is a known issue and it will
hopefully be addressed.

> 3. I cann't create subfolders. Is that not supportet by GMX?

Yes, as far as I know, GMX currently does not support folder nesting.

> BTW... What is the correct setting to get all messages and than delete
> it it at the server automatically?

I can't help you with that. What you want is like emulating POP3 but via
IMAP with multiple folders. Perhaps somebody else can help.

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Re: IMAP and GMX (Mailprovider)

[o . voelker]

Hi!

> > 1. I create a new folder in The Bat. It is shown correct within GMX, but
> > I have to restart The Bat to see the folder.
> Have you tried the IMAP folder management dialog, it should find the new
> folder.

Hmmm... I created the folder with the folder management :)

> > 2. Existing folders using umlauts are shown very funny within the Bat
> > (e.g. Pers&APY-nlich instead of Persönlich)
> This has already been reported, it is a known issue and it will
> hopefully be addressed.

Ok...

> > 3. I cann't create subfolders. Is that not supportet by GMX?
> Yes, as far as I know, GMX currently does not support folder nesting.

Bad :(
Without subfolders it will be a little bit confusing...
 
> > BTW... What is the correct setting to get all messages and than delete
> > it it at the server automatically?
> I can't help you with that. What you want is like emulating POP3 but via
> IMAP with multiple folders. Perhaps somebody else can help.

I don't have a flatrate, so I often get all messages and answer some time
later
And IMAP is the only way to filter mails at the server.. (and read them
within a mail client ;)  )
And I can store them at the harddisk There is a little bit more space
than at the server *g*


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Re: IMAP and delete/trash

[Sean H .]

Hi Clive,

On 9/3/03 at 1:07 PM, Clive Taylor wrote:

CT> 1. TB will not delete messages from their folder or from the
CT> server. Pressing delete does nothing. Changing advanced
CT> options|mail management to "mark as delete" does no such thing.
CT> It removes the message from the message list on hitting delete
CT> but the message does not appear in Trash or on the server as
CT> deleted - or marked for deletion.

I'm not able to delete messages or folders either. To make matters
worse, half the time I try (especially when deleting a large number of
messages) my machine freezes and I have to re-boot with CTRL-ALT-DEL.
Needless to say, I'm done testing the new IMAP features until I hear
this has been fixed.

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Re[2]: IMAP and subfolders

[Edward J. Shornock]

On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Clive Taylor wrote:

CT> Yup. Keep complaining. IMAP doesn't work well in this version -
CT> a big disappointment.

I concur with that.  The IMAP support is *better* than in v1.x by far,
but it still needs more work.

It's kinda sad that Outlook Express has very good IMAP support--yet
TheBat does not (yet).

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Re: IMAP and delete/trash

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hello Clive,

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 2:07:00 PM, you wrote:

CT> 1. TB will not delete messages from their folder or from the
CT> server. Pressing delete does nothing.

This may happen due to error in processing or because the destination
folder used as Trash does not exist. Basically, The Bat! tries to
create service folders when it connects to the server if they do not
exist. Anyway, something should be logged if nothing happens. If
nothing happens, that could be a real bugger...

CT> Changing advanced options|mail management to "mark as delete" does
CT> no such thing. It removes the message from the message list on
CT> hitting delete but the message does not appear in Trash or on the
CT> server as deleted - or marked for deletion.

A marked as deleted message should not appear in the Trash folder -
this is the difference between moving to Trash and marking as deleted
(which is equal to immediate deletion). The fact that the message does
not appear on the server as deleted is really strange - this works
fine here, so I wonder what the problem could be. You can start The
Bat! with /IMAPTRACEfilepath.ext parameter to store capture IMAP
session (note that it works only for one session at a time). If you
see anything strange there, please send the file to me (make sure to
remove your password for the capture).

CT> 2. I can't configure a trash folder anyway. The account log tells
CT> me the folder "Inbox.Trash" doesn't exist.

Because service folders are now created at the connection start, you
should restart your IMAP connection to get the folder created.

CT> Where are deleted messages supposed to end up - assuming they are
CT> deletable in the first place?

Basically, the mechanism is similar to local folders. When you move
(delete) a message to Trash, a copy of the message is created in the
Trash folder and the messages is marked as deleted in the original
folder. If you want to restore deleted messages, you should use the
"Folder|Browse deleted" menu command.  To remove deleted messages
permanently, use the "Folder|Compress" menu command - this actually
will get message counters in sync because when a folder contains
deleted messages, the counters may look strangely (comparison with OE
is not valid here because OE does not show folder counters at all)



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Re: IMAP and delete/trash

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On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Stefan Tanurkov wrote...

CT>> 1. TB will not delete messages from their folder or from the
CT>> server. Pressing delete does nothing.

> This may happen due to error in processing or because the
> destination folder used as Trash does not exist. Basically, The Bat!
> tries to create service folders when it connects to the server if
> they do not exist. Anyway, something should be logged if nothing
> happens. If nothing happens, that could be a real bugger...

Interesting. I had TB creating a whole bunch of folders on my Exchange
server today. Deleted Items.1, Sent Items.1, Trash.1, Trash, etc etc.
Ended up having to close TB, and resort to Outlook to fix things.

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Re[2]: IMAP and subfolders

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hello Jonathan,

Friday, September 5, 2003, 1:35:05 AM, you wrote:

JA> I'd have thought you would be doing a check for \NoSelect before
JA> checking the status of a folder. Or even building a view of what is
JA> selectable and what isn't on first login.

Please add it to the BT so it's not forgotten :-)  The \NoSelect flag
can be detected, but it is not used right now...


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Re[2]: IMAP and subfolders

[Antje Lehmann]

Hi,

Brian S. Schang wrote:

> Clive,

>> Inbox
>> Inbox.subs
>> Inbox.subs.TBUDL
>> Inbox.xxx
>> Inbox.xxx.yyy

> So do Inbox.subs and Inbox.xxx contain messages, or are they just 
> entities to hold TBUDL and yyy respectively?

I have a similar structure and in my case they could contain messages,
because they are regular folders, but they are empty... which doesn't
bother The Bat! at all. :-) Why not do it that way?

Antje
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Re: IMAP and delete/trash

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, September 05, 2003, Stefan Tanurkov wrote...

JA>> Interesting. I had TB creating a whole bunch of folders on my
JA>> Exchange server today. Deleted Items.1, Sent Items.1, Trash.1,
JA>> Trash, etc etc. Ended up having to close TB, and resort to
JA>> Outlook to fix things.

> Hmm. Interesting enough, especially because TB cannot create such
> folders. They may appear if you have folder with the same names on
> IMAP but defined service folders (sent, outbox, trash) to be local
> ones. In this case, TB adds .1 to the *display* name of an IMAP
> folder...

Exchange uses "Outbox", "Sent Items", "Deleted Items", and "Drafts".
There is no folder named "Trash", but TB seemed insistent on creating
it. I couldn't get it to use "Deleted Items" as the Trash folder, I
believe when I tried (using case sensitive wording), that is when
"Deleted Items.1" appeared.

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Re: IMAP and delete/trash

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, September 05, 2003, Stefan Tanurkov wrote...

> OK, in case you did not know - names of all IMAP folders but Inbox
> are case-sensitive. I.e. Inbox.trash and Inbox.Trash are two
> different folders, while inBox.trash and INBOX.trash refers to the
> same folder. I really hate this because it is a great source of
> confusion, but I understand the reasons of why it was done so.

Fun isn't it? ;) That is why in the early beta releases, I requested
that you don't allow typing in there, but you have the menu to select
the box like under the "Mail Management - Advanced", there is a browse
button. Also it makes for a more consistent interface.

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Re[2]: IMAP and subfolders

[Brian S. Schang]

Hello:

>> It's my understanding (maybe erroneously) that not all
>> implementations of IMAP allow for folder to contain messages
>> themselves?? I'm using the University of Washington version that
>> ships with Red Hat 7.2.

JA> That's not an erroneous statement at all. In fact, a very valid
JA> statement. This is why their is a \NoSelect option to reflect that the
JA> folder may not be selected, and may not contain mail.

>> Does anyone know how to set up folders to contain messages
>> themselves? Indeed this would solve my problem, and would even make
>> my folder structure more flexible. :-)

JA> If you cannot setup folders to contain mail, then you are indeed
JA> looking at a bug in the implementation of the IMAP protocol.  I
JA> believe Stefan is probably already working on it based on his comments
JA> earlier in this thread.  It should be interesting to see how he
JA> manages to work out what IMAP servers require you to put in the folder
JA> delimiter to make folders that may contain subs, and normal mail
JA> folders.  I think there may be a hint in the RFCs for it, I'd have to
JA> look it up.

Thanks for all the help. I think that at this point, I'll wait until
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Re[2]: IMAP and filters

[Jim D]

On 10/21/2003, in  ken
green said:

> I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean that *no* filters work for you
> at all? Or only certain filters? I am using v1.62, which is limited in
> IMAP functionality compared to v2, but I am able to use filters with
> IMAP accounts.

I beg to differ. What you are effectively doing is popping your IMAP
account and filtering email in local folders. It's not really IMAP
because mail on the server stays in the Inbox. You just move it around
in your local folders.

> Can you describe the specific filters that aren't working?  AFAIK, the
> only filter limitation with IMAP is Selective Download.

I got excited about IMAP in v2.0, I stopped using IMAP, because it
still has problems with managing folders and filtering email. But it's
much better than in 1.62, so I am hopeful that by 2.5 or 3.0, we'll
have it 100% right!  :p


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Exhange/IMAP and mail management

[Peter Fjelsten]

TheBat-users,

  Below I have listed other issues I have regarding using TheBat in an
  Exchange environment:

* TB wants to save drafts in the IMAP "Outbox" folder which leads to
  problems, as Exchange cannot seam to handle that. I cannot specify
  a Drafts folder in TB.

* I cannot connect to the Exchange LDAP server. The server is there
  when I try to connect outside TB, but in TB I just get "connecting
  to (address)...". It's running on the standard port. I also need
  to be able to specify a domain and I was told by the SysOps that I
  was to put in under "login" under the form "domain\user name".

* TB does not seem to update and compress the folders continously, I
  need to do that manually to get rid of "ghost" messages.

* I cannot get filters to work. There is no problem when I
  "re-filter"but the Inbox filters do not work automatically.

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Re[2]: IMAP and Sorting Office..

[Allie Martin]

ken green wrote:

kg> OK.  Manual is better than nothing, I suppose... :)

Yes.

>> Read and replied filters do work automatically though.

kg> Not my experience. But I could have done something wrong. I will
kg> test this some more. How are you marking items as read?

There are two ways a message can be marked as read.

- you manually mark it read.

- it's automatically marked as read as defined in the account
  preferences/options.

Read filters will be auto executed only when

a) messages are automatically flagged as read by your defined time
delay after it's being viewed, and

and

b) you now move to another message or folder/account.

If you manually mark a message as read and then switch to another
message, the filter will not execute.

kg> I wouldn't mind making *ALL* filters (for my IMAP/non-mail accounts)
kg> Read filters.  I set them up to work only when a message is UnParked AND
kg> UnFlagged, so as I read mail (all in Inbox) messages get moved unless I
kg> mark them.  <-- this is working fine in 1.62r, by the way.

Hmmm. They work no differently for IMAP, so if you have them working
for POP then they should be working for IMAP.

By the way, if your connection isn't fast, then messages will not be
moved right away but on the next sync operation.

Try dragging and dropping a message to another folder. If your
connection is fast, the operation should be immediately carried out as
if it were POP. However, if the connection is slow, it would seem as
if nothing happened. At the next sync operation, TB! will send
commands to the server to carry out the move operation and then the
folders will be sync'd to reflect the move.

Could this be the problem with your read filters?

kg> What about folders that are not on the server? Are they
kg> automatically created during the sync process?

I don't understand what you're asking there. How would a local folder
be automatically created during a sync operation?

kg> What about folders set to NOT sync? It looks like moving items to
kg> folders not set to sync marks the item for deletion.

When you move a message from one folder to another, the copy in the
source folder is marked for deletion while a copy is placed in the
target folder. The copy in the source folder is permanently removed
when the folder is compressed or expunged, expunged being the IMAP
specific term used.

kg> I will double-check that behavior, but that is what I want - if I
kg> move a message to a common folder for reference/archiving/etc.,
kg> marking it for deletion on the server - only after the move -
kg> would be great.

I don't have any common folders here, but let's try here and see. I
have a slow connection here at work.

OK. I dragged and dropped the messages just fine. I'm not surprised
with this since the source IMAP folders are set to fully sync with the
servers. As a result, I have cached copies of messages. The moved
messages were removed from the source IMAP folders list, i.e., marked
for deleteion, and if I choose to compress/expunge, they'll be
permanently removed.

kg> Read filters and manual processing is good enough for me for now :)  I
kg> can be patient if the read filters will work.  I have not installed any
kg> betas yet (clean, fresh install of CE)... maybe that is why the read
kg> filters didn't work?

Probably, though I do recall them working since I started using IMAP.

I'd recommend trying the latest beta if you're an IMAP user. The last
series of betas have been mainly bug fixing oriented, so they've been
safe to use (is any software safe?). :)

kg> What do you mean by server side filters?

Filtering done on the server.

kg> If you're talking about server-side admin because you have full
kg> access to your mail server, then never mind - I don't have that
kg> kind of access.

Do you have web access to your IMAP account/s?

Usually, if you do, you can create filters for web based e-mail
accounts. These are the filters I'm referring to. Not very fancy, but
could save a lot of trouble.

I do have admin control of my IMAP server. However, all IMAP accounts
are accessible via a web based client type interface. One can create
filters from there.

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Re[2]: IMAP and SpamPal setup

[Jean Site]

Hello ken,

Monday, January 26, 2004, 12:26:42 AM, you wrote:

kg> FWIW, anyone setting up SpamPal on The Bat should shut down and re-start
kg> TB after setting up an IMAP server the first time.

kg> I thought it was an upgrade/latest version issue, but it happened again
kg> with the second IMAP account I set up. I would get login errors trying
kg> to connect to the IMAP server right after setting up the account.
kg> Closing TB and re-starting fixed the problem.


What FWIW stands for ?
Thanks for help.

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Re[3]: IMAP and SpamPal setup

[Dan Perez]

Hello Jean,

Monday, January 26, 2004, 6:50:51 AM, you wrote:


JS> What FWIW stands for ?
JS> Thanks for help.

  It stands for "For What It's Worth"

  You might find the NetLingo site helpful for looking these up (there
  are so many acronyms in use!)

  http://www.netlingo.com/lookup.cfm?term=fwiw


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Re[2]: IMAP and Sorting Office..

[Allie Martin]

ken green wrote:

>> Try dragging and dropping a message to another folder. If your
>> connection is fast, the operation should be immediately carried out as
>> if it were POP. However, if the connection is slow, it would seem as
>> if nothing happened. At the next sync operation, TB! will send
>> commands to the server to carry out the move operation and then the
>> folders will be sync'd to reflect the move.

>> Could this be the problem with your read filters?

kg> Isn't this (the "fast" and "slow" connection) set in account
kg> properties?

Those provide the suggested settings one should use when using a fast
vs slow connection. However, you don't have to use them. :)

kg> I have it set for fast connection. RE: dragging and dropping to another
kg> folder - I will confirm, but yes, I believe the behavior you describe is
kg> what is happening.

In the mail management setup for the account properties, do you have
the 'autoconnect to server' options checked for all those options. In
this way, when you do anything with an IMAP folder, a sync operation
is done to update the server?

>> I don't understand what you're asking there. How would a local folder
>> be automatically created during a sync operation?

kg> When a folder is created, you have the choice of whether is syncs
kg> or not. If no, it remains local only, right? If it is synched with
kg> the server, it gets created on the server, right?

I've been wondering about this. From what I've been seeing, it would
seem that creating a root folder for an IMAP account leads to a
corresponding IMAP folder being created at the server level.

But then again, I only create folders at home and I do full sync's
with all folders at home. Maybe this is why corresponding server side
folders are being created. I'll do some testing later.

kg> Yes, I can *manually* move messages to common folders.  I was
kg> trying to move messages to common folders with an auto-filter.

Stick a pin! :)

Now, I didn't realize that you're trying to filter from an IMAP folder
to a common folder. I've never tried this and will try this later.
Have you tried auto-filtering to another IMAP folder? I do that a lot
and it works.

TB! doesn't filter across IMAP accounts and may very well not filter
to common folders. Can you manually filter from the IMAP INBOX to a
common folder?

kg> I had set up a hierarchy of folders that were outside my mail
kg> accounts. For me, this was the best way to organize business mail
kg> as well as personal projects, because the source messages didn't
kg> always come from the same account. I didn't want my folders "tied"
kg> to a specific mail account.

kg> Perhaps this isn't a good way to do things when using IMAP?

Perhaps not now, when the facility for auto-filtering to common folders
hasn't been dealt with.

kg> Read filters are only working half-way for me.  I can get the
kg> messages colored, but not moved to a common folder.

I have bad news. When they're moved, they lose their colour change. :/
This problem is known and ways to get around this is being looked at.

kg> You are correct.  I forgot about that.  I actually set up a bunch of
kg> filters that way once before, but removed them because 1.62r wasn't
kg> synching folders properly and I couldn't download messages that had been
kg> filtered.  But I bet v2 will utilize server-side filters exactly how I
kg> want.  Hmmm

They will work. However, the filtering can only be done to server side
folders and not your local common folders.

kg> Server-side filtering is a really good idea..

It's great for me.

kg> Thanks again for all your help.

No prob. :)

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Re[2]: IMAP and Sorting Office..

[Allie Martin]

Ken Green, [KG] wrote:

KG> No.  I had auto-connect for -managing folders and -when account is
KG> selected.  NOT -by any command.  Will try that and report back.

Ok.

KG> At what point does the folder's synchronization settings take over?
KG> If a folder is set to synch and it doesn't exist on the server,
KG> shouldn't it then get created?

Yes. This is the case.

KG> Or should it be created on the server first, or through Folder
KG> management, etc.?

I just created a new folder and set it to not sync.

I then opened 'Manage IMAP folders'. The test folder wasn't listed
there. I hit the 'reset' button to refresh the list. The test folder was
now listed. Interesting.

>> But then again, I only create folders at home and I do full sync's
>> with all folders at home. Maybe this is why corresponding server side
>> folders are being created. I'll do some testing later.

KG> Not sure what you mean by at home or why that would be different.

At home, my IMAP server is right beside me on the LAN. I don't have to
wait forever for things to happen. I can therefore test quickly. :)

The connection to my IMAP server from work is very slow. It takes a long
time to create folders and move messages. I don't filter messages at
work. It would take too long. All filtering is done from home with TB!
or on the server. I only read and reply to mail from work. I do only an
occasional message move or deletion.

KG> Actually, yes.  I believe filtering to another folder WITHIN THAT
KG> ACCOUNT does in fact work.  Will double-check, but I'm pretty sure that
KG> was one of my tests and it worked.

Ok, good. So the problem is with filtering from an IMAP folder to a
local common folder. This doesn't seem to be possible. I just tried it
and more than I expected happened.

I did the following:

- I created a common folder

- I then adjusted one of my read filters to filter to it.

- I then moved one of the target messages to my Inbox and marked it
  unread.
- I opened the message where it was marked as read and moved to another
  message. Not only was it not moved, but another message appeared with
  no visible headers. Only the folder flag was visible. On looking at
  the message source, there was a lot of gibberish. After that, the
  Inbox was stuck. I had to restart SecureBat! to free things up. On the
  next try at autofiltering to the common folder nothing happened. I
  switched back the target folder to an IMAP folder and it worked again.
  Strange bug.

KG> This explains why I cannot filter to common folders.  By their very
KG> nature, common folders don't "belong" to any account.  It appears that
KG> common folders and IMAP are not going to dance together.  I can live
KG> with that.

Ok.

KG> You keep mentioning "manually filter" and it is confusing me.  Aside
KG> from selecting the "Re-filter messages from a folder right-click" I
KG> don't know how you would *manually* filter.

Yes. That's the way to do it. However, that seems to be disabled in
TB! 2.03 beta/47. GONK!! :/

It seems to be OK here in SecureBat! Lite v2.03.47

KG> If you cannot filter across accounts, then filtering to common folders
KG> isn't going to happen.  But if filtering across accounts will become
KG> available in the future, I don't see why filtering to common folders
KG> couldn't be implemented as well.

Agreed.

KG> The problem I see with filtering across accounts is the heavier
KG> traffic and server load. Is it substantially more complicated?

Other clients, namely Mulberry already have this ability. So I don't see
why this shouldn't be possible, especially if the accounts are on the
same IMAP server.

KG> The problem I may run into (and this may be because of the new "real"
KG> implementation of IMAP) is that for my business account, I have a filter
KG> that redirects messages to my cell phone, giving me a notification of
KG> when I get an e-mail.  99% of the time, the small amount of info sent is
KG> enough for me (my carrier truncates messages that are too long/too big).

Without autofiltering, this isn't possible, so a TB! IMAP account would
have you stuck.

KG> Also..  (get ready to roll your eyes...)  I have been testing on my
KG> laptop, right?  Well, guess what genius was testing on his laptop with
KG> accounts that were also being hit by the desktop running 1.62r...  At
KG> the very least, this screwed up read flags.  Who knows what other
KG> trouble this caused.  I will remember to shut down the desktop while
KG> testing on the laptop.

Note that with two proper IMAP clients this shouldn't matter.

I have ThunderBird running now on this laptop. It's polling the same
IMAP account that SecureBat! is polling as we speak. No problems at all.

KG> Assuming that (like me) most of that mail would not contain
KG> attachments, running into server space problems won't be an issue.
KG> It would be nice to access all of the TBUDL list I have downloading
KG> since joining from wherever I am.  Wouldn't the initial sync be a
KG> killer?  Yikes!

Yes. It 

Re: Re[2]: IMAP and searching?

[Allie Martin]

Hi Ralph,
  On 28/3/2005 3:18 PM +0200, you wrote:
For a full text search, i guess, i have to make a full sync - is that
right?
Actually, no. It'll just work, but it wouldn't be as fast as if you had 
all message bodies locally cached.

The alt-click and quick searching also work.
How to use those?
Hold down the alt button while clicking on any item in the message 
list.  TB! will list all messages containing the same message list 
element.
So if you wish to see all messages from me, just hold down the alt 
button and click on my name in the message list. You can do the same 
for message subject, and the various flags. You may wish to see all 
messages with attachments. Just alt-click on the attachment icon in a 
message containing an attachment. It's a great feature.

The quick search works by just typing in the message list field, the 
string that you're searching for. The quick search will do only message 
list searches. Not whole message searches.

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Re: Re[2]: IMAP and searching?

[Allie Martin]

Hi Matt,
  On 28/3/2005 12:53 PM -0800, you wrote:
Ugh. This is such a bad "feature". I don't know how many times I've
closed down the search window thinking it just wasn't working. I only
discovered this when I left it open by mistake and suddenly saw all
kinds of results on my search. At the least it should say something
like "Querying server...".
TB! IMAP is built on the legacy of TB!'s POP support. As a result there 
are many issues like this one. Filtering and sound alerts are other 
aspects that suffer quirky or erratic functionality for IMAP.

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Converting to IMAP and common folders

[Francis X. Mendez]

Wednesday, October 30, 2002
  Hello group
I have an account with about 9,000 messages. I would like to
convert it to IMAP so that I can access them when I am away
from my main computer. I have my own email server (ALT-N
Mdaemon) so I can tell it what folders I want, but I do not
know how to get my messages that exist in my POP3 account to
go back to my server.

Also, I have common folders that all users in my office have
access to. I would like to make those IMAP folders in order to
check them while out as well.

Can this be done?
Can you tell I don't do this for a living?
   
  

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IMAP and GMX and the Bat

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

GMX has proudly announced that subscribers with professional accounts
may now also access their email via IMAP. Yet, they currently have it
only optimized for Outlook and Outlook Express (newer Netscape
versions may also work but they are not officially supported yet).

I tried it and did not get it to work with the latest Bat. I can see
all folders in my accounts (with broken umlauts) but they all appear
empty in the Bat's IMAP 'Dispatcher'.

Now I'm waiting for either of the following to happen:

- better IMAP support in the Bat
- GMX supporting the Bat's way of IMAP
- somebody else proving that it works with the current Bat

Any other experiences, comments?

Regards,

Markus

P.S.: This messages has been posted before on the "the Bat off-topic
list" but apparently there aren't any GMX pro account users there. I
posting to this list to find out if anyone here is sharing my
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Fastmail, IMAP and The Bat! 2.0

[Jeffrey A. Shumway]

Hello tbudl,

Is anyone else using Fastmail with The Bat! 2.0?  I am curious about
how you have set the IMAP Options for Root Folder and the pre-defined
folders.  I have tried many different combinations and cannot get The
Bat! to use the Sent Items and Trash folders on Fastmail.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Re[2]: IMAP and delete/trash

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hello Jonathan,

Friday, September 5, 2003, 1:37:38 AM, you wrote:

JA> Interesting. I had TB creating a whole bunch of folders on my Exchange
JA> server today. Deleted Items.1, Sent Items.1, Trash.1, Trash, etc etc.
JA> Ended up having to close TB, and resort to Outlook to fix things.

Hmm. Interesting enough, especially because TB cannot create such
folders. They may appear if you have folder with the same names on
IMAP but defined service folders (sent, outbox, trash) to be local
ones. In this case, TB adds .1 to the *display* name of an IMAP
folder...

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Re[2]: IMAP and delete/trash

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hello Clive,

Friday, September 5, 2003, 3:04:34 AM, you wrote:

CT>>> 1. TB will not delete messages from their folder or from the
CT>>> server. Pressing delete does nothing.
ST>> This may happen due to error in processing or because the destination
ST>> folder used as Trash does not exist.
CT> The destination folder exists OK and I've pointed TB at it:
CT> inbox.trash. There's also a trash folder that TB sets up with the
CT> account (dustbin icon) but that doesn't seem to appear on the server.

OK, in case you did not know - names of all IMAP folders but Inbox are
case-sensitive. I.e. Inbox.trash and Inbox.Trash are two different
folders, while inBox.trash and INBOX.trash refers to the same folder.
I really hate this because it is a great source of confusion, but I
understand the reasons of why it was done so.

Could you tell me which folder exists exactly? In one of your previous
messages I read about Inbox.Trash, now you are telling about
inbox.trash. Moreover, this also may depend on the server how it
treats sub-Inbox folders. AFAIK, some servers are really making
trouble out of this making the entire name (instead of post-Inbox
part) case-sensitive.


CT>>> Changing advanced options|mail management to "mark as delete" does
CT>>> no such thing.
ST>> The fact that the message does not appear on the server as deleted
ST>> is really strange - this works fine here
CT> Not here, Stefan. I've just deleted a message using the delete key. It
CT> disappeared from the message pane but, when I checked the server, it's
CT> still sitting there unmarked. This may be a function of Mailsnare -
CT> I'll experiment with my other accounts and come back to you.

Were you connected to the server with The Bat! or you were "off-line"
(taken in quotes because you could be on-line in global means but
disconnected from the server). If you were "off-line", you should
connect to the server in order to commit changes in folders.


ST>> You can start The Bat! with /IMAPTRACEfilepath.ext parameter to
ST>> store capture IMAP session (note that it works only for one
ST>> session at a time)
CT> Have I got the syntax right here, Stefan? The following just opens TB
CT> with a new message with "imap.txt" as an attachment. Target:
CT> "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe" /imaptrace c:\temp\imap.txt

It must not contain space before the file path, i.e. it should be

/imaptracec:\temp\imap.txt

CT>>> Where are deleted messages supposed to end up - assuming they are
CT>>> deletable in the first place?
ST>> To remove deleted messages permanently, use the "Folder|Compress"
ST>> menu command - this actually will get message counters in sync
CT> Something odd is happening here, then, because if I purge|compress all
CT> folders in my account tree it doesn't seem to act on all sub folders.
CT> If I select the folders individually the message count does, indeed,
CT> update as you say.

How are you performing purge+compress? Currently, it should be done
on per-folder basis, not from the Folder Maintenance Centre...



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Re: Re[2]: IMAP and subfolders

[Brian S. Schang]

Hello:

JA> I'd have thought you would be doing a check for \NoSelect before
JA> checking the status of a folder. Or even building a view of 
what is
JA> selectable and what isn't on first login.

Please add it to the BT so it's not forgotten :-)  The \NoSelect
flag can be detected, but it is not used right now...
What is the \NoSelect flag?

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Re: Exhange/IMAP and mail management

[David Boggon]

Hi Peter,

on 10/11/03 you wrote:

PF> * TB wants to save drafts in the IMAP "Outbox" folder which leads to
PF>   problems, as Exchange cannot seam to handle that. I cannot specify
PF>   a Drafts folder in TB.

I have the Drafts folder on my server set to synchronise with the
Outbox in TB which works fine for me (well, apart from the usual IMAP
issues with TB)

PF> * TB does not seem to update and compress the folders continously, I
PF>   need to do that manually to get rid of "ghost" messages.

PF> * I cannot get filters to work. There is no problem when I
PF>   "re-filter"but the Inbox filters do not work automatically.

Yes both these issues are just the way it is with TB and IMAP at the
mo, sorry to say. I hope they will be rectified in future versions.

Any news on this from the Betas?

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Re: Exhange/IMAP and mail management

[Peter Fjelsten]

David,

On 10-11-2003 22:50, you [D] wrote in
:

PF>> * TB wants to save drafts in the IMAP "Outbox" folder which
PF>> leads to   problems, as Exchange cannot seam to handle that. I
PF>> cannot specify   a Drafts folder in TB.

D> I have the Drafts folder on my server set to synchronise with the
D> Outbox in TB which works fine for me (well, apart from the usual IMAP
D> issues with TB)

Since I don't have access to the server, I need to make TB behave with
the Exchange server and not the other way round.

Hints?

PF>> * TB does not seem to update and compress the folders continously, I
PF>>   need to do that manually to get rid of "ghost" messages.

PF>> * I cannot get filters to work. There is no problem when I
PF>>   "re-filter"but the Inbox filters do not work automatically.

D> Yes both these issues are just the way it is with TB and IMAP at the
D> mo, sorry to say. I hope they will be rectified in future versions.

Me2.


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Re: Exhange/IMAP and mail management

[David Boggon]

Hi Peter,

on 10/11/03 you wrote:


PF> Since I don't have access to the server, I need to make TB behave with
PF> the Exchange server and not the other way round.

PF> Hints?

Sorry no. Out of my depth now, I'm afraid.

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POP3 then IMAP and back to POP3?

[Marten Gallagher]

Hi 

My ISPs have all agreed to install IMAP - except the Microsoft
Exchange Server one - pah!

Anyway, I have located the Protocol change button in the Account
Properties.

So I assume I can select IMAP as a method on an account by account
basis.

If I change an account to IMAP and it's not yet fully configured at
the ISP end will it damage anything?

If, when IMAP is running, can I change back and forth from IMAP to
POP3 mode for one or more accounts?

I.e: is it just a means to an end or is it a matter of now you're
IMAPping so bye bye POP3 for that account for ever?

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Re:POP3 then IMAP and back to POP3?

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 21:58:37 [GMT +0100] (which was 1:58 PM where I
live) you wrote:

>> You definitely can't change from POP to IMAP. I've tried this. You
>> have to create a new account and make it IMAP from the outset.

> DO you mean that it has to be a new email address different from any
> of the POP3 email addresses?

> That would be a real pain - in fact it would be unworkable as a solution for me.

A lot of this depends upon your mail server. As an example, we have a
mail server that our in-house users access via an IMAP client. Our
traveling users access the same message store using a web client via
POP3. So it is possible to co-exist IMAP and POP with the same e-mail
address. If your mail server is in-house, this shouldn't be problem to
set up.

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Re: Converting to IMAP and common folders

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On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, Francis X. Mendez wrote...

> I have an account with about 9,000 messages. I would like to convert
> it to IMAP so that I can access them when I am away from my main
> computer. I have my own email server (ALT-N Mdaemon) so I can tell
> it what folders I want, but I do not know how to get my messages
> that exist in my POP3 account to go back to my server.

> Also, I have common folders that all users in my office have access
> to. I would like to make those IMAP folders in order to check them
> while out as well.

> Can this be done? Can you tell I don't do this for a living?

Unfortunately TB's IMAP implementation is rather lacking, and only
treats IMAP like an extended POP3 connection, allowing you to download
from more than one folder. Version 2 of TheBat will be supporting an
improved IMAP implementation apparently. You wouldn't be able to use
TheBat to perform the operations you are trying to do unfortunately.

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Re: Converting to IMAP and common folders

[Gary]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 05:56:38PM -0500 or thereabouts, Francis X. Mendez wrote:
> Wednesday, October 30, 2002
>   Hello group
> I have an account with about 9,000 messages. I would like to
> convert it to IMAP so that I can access them when I am away
> from my main computer. I have my own email server (ALT-N
> Mdaemon) so I can tell it what folders I want, but I do not
> know how to get my messages that exist in my POP3 account to
> go back to my server.
> 
> Also, I have common folders that all users in my office have
> access to. I would like to make those IMAP folders in order to
> check them while out as well.
> Can this be done?

Well, you would need an IMAP server, more specifically a mail server that
supports IMAP.  TB! would be the IMAP client..  I do not know if Mdaemon
supports IMAP as a server..   Ah, just checked and Mdaemon does support
IMAP (v6.5)..  You questions are really Mdaemon questions related, I
think. I don't use it, otherwise I would be able to help you more.


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Re: IMAP and GMX and the Bat

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Markus,

On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:15:22 +0100 GMT (09/12/02, 16:15 +0700 GMT),
Markus Gloede wrote:

> P.S.: This messages has been posted before on the "the Bat off-topic
> list" but apparently there aren't any GMX pro account users there. I
> posting to this list to find out if anyone here is sharing my
> experiences.

I saw your message on TBOT, and I am a GMX Pro user. Alas, they say
that IMAP currently only works with OE/OL. They say with Netscape up
to 4.x (not 7.x and not Mozilla 1.x) it works "inofficially" and has
not been suffienctly tested yet - I think they mean it is in beta
stage. They also say that support for other mail clients will follow
shortly. I don't know why IMAP support depends so much on the client
used, but according to their mailing, there is no reason to assume
that this first version should work with TB at all.

Thus, don't worry. Be patient until they say that IMAP support should
work with all mail clients. If it still won't work with TB, contact
GMX first.

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Re: IMAP and GMX and the Bat

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Thomas Fernandez wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> They also say that support for other mail clients will follow
> shortly.

I also read their announcement with interest. Yet, I'm not inclined to
sit back and wait.

> I don't know why IMAP support depends so much on the client used,
> but according to their mailing, there is no reason to assume that
> this first version should work with TB at all.

I recall having read somewhere that MS products speak a different
dialect of IMAPrev4. I set up an IMAP server once where one setting
was along the lines of "support broken OE IMAP -yes".

> Thus, don't worry. Be patient until they say that IMAP support
> should work with all mail clients. If it still won't work with TB,
> contact GMX first.

Again, unless the pressure rises I don't think GMX will put much
effort into supporting other IMAP 'dialects'. Sadly we are in no
position to claim that the Bat speaks proper IMAP. We simply do not
know if the limited IMAP support that the Bat currently has is
'proper' or 'improper'. Yet I know for sure that it at least is able
to work with fastmail and other mail providers.

Anybody here that knows about the differences in IMAP support?

Regards,

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Re: IMAP and GMX and the Bat

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On Monday, December 09, 2002, Markus Gloede wrote...

>> I don't know why IMAP support depends so much on the client used,
>> but according to their mailing, there is no reason to assume that
>> this first version should work with TB at all.

> I recall having read somewhere that MS products speak a different
> dialect of IMAPrev4. I set up an IMAP server once where one setting
> was along the lines of "support broken OE IMAP -yes".

  Again, evidence that the software giant makes everybody have to flex
  for their incompliant code with RFCs.

>> Thus, don't worry. Be patient until they say that IMAP support
>> should work with all mail clients. If it still won't work with TB,
>> contact GMX first.

  Wait until TB!2 comes out first... The 1.6 series of TB has bad IMAP
  support ;)

> Again, unless the pressure rises I don't think GMX will put much
> effort into supporting other IMAP 'dialects'. Sadly we are in no
> position to claim that the Bat speaks proper IMAP. We simply do not
> know if the limited IMAP support that the Bat currently has is
> 'proper' or 'improper'. Yet I know for sure that it at least is able
> to work with fastmail and other mail providers.

  There really shouldn't be variable 'dialects'... just one... and
  that is RFC compliant, responding, and reading only what is allowed.

> Anybody here that knows about the differences in IMAP support?

  Depends what you mean... or in regards to what. I'm a developer on a
  popular web based IMAP4rev1 client ;)

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