Re: Some Newbie Questions...

[Mary Bull]

Hello Allie!

On Sunday, July 06, 2003, 11:44 AM, you wrote:



MB>> Allie, in my version of TB!, if the message is being viewed in the
MB>> message window, the red arrows give two options: "Delete and move
MB>> up" and "Delete and move down." ...

A> Yes. I had forgotten about that. However, they don't work when browsing
A> via the main window.

True.

MB>> Do you think this would be a help to Choppystride, whose query this
MB>> is?

A> Maybe. If he's willing to change how he goes about reading his mail.

As always, much comes down to personal preference. :)

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Re: Some Newbie Questions...

[Allie Martin]

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Mary Bull, [MB] wrote:

MB> Allie, in my version of TB!, if the message is being viewed in the
MB> message window, the red arrows give two options: "Delete and move
MB> up" and "Delete and move down." I use these rather frequently in my
MB> Inbox, and for messages in folders for which I have filters, I find
MB> the blue arrows, which keep the message and have "Previous" and
MB> "Next" options (for moving up or down), equally convenient.

Yes. I had forgotten about that. However, they don't work when browsing
via the main window.

MB> Do you think this would be a help to Choppystride, whose query this
MB> is?

Maybe. If he's willing to change how he goes about reading his mail.

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Re: Some Newbie Questions...

[Mary Bull]

Hello Allie!

On Saturday, July 05, 2003, 9:07 PM, you wrote:



C>> 2) I like to view my message list such that the newer ones are at
C>> the top. However, after I've read a message and delete it, TB
C>> always like to automatically highlight the next one below (i.e. an
C>> older one which I've already read and decided to keep). Can I
C>> configure TB so that it can automatically move to the next message
C>> above?

A> I'm afraid not. TB! moves one down the message list after
A> each delete.

Allie, in my version of TB!, if the message is being viewed in the
message window, the red arrows give two options: "Delete and move up"
and "Delete and move down." I use these rather frequently in my Inbox,
and for messages in folders for which I have filters, I find the blue
arrows, which keep the message and have "Previous" and "Next" options
(for moving up or down), equally convenient.

Do you think this would be a help to Choppystride, whose query this
is?

And I'd like (as an old Newbie) to add "welcome to the list," also, to
this more recent Newbie.

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Re: Some Newbie Questions...

[Allie Martin]

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Choppystride, [C] wrote:

C> 1) In my haste to start using using TB, I set up a lot (over 2 dozen)
C> of email accounts and just accepted the default templates (New,
C> Reply, Forward, etc.) for each account. Now, after about 2 weeks of
C> using TB, I would like to change them all but it seems that I need to
C> change them one account at a time. Is there a faster way to do this?
C> i.e. is there a centralized way to change the default templates so
C> that the changes will also apply to all existing accounts?

Yes, but it would initially involve making a change to all templates for
each account. I personally use Quick templates for a more central
management of templates. I then call each quick template using the
"%Qinclude=" macro. Changing the quick template will lead to
the change affecting all templates that use the same quick template.

C> 2) I like to view my message list such that the newer ones are at
C> the top.  However, after I've read a message and delete it, TB always
C> like to automatically highlight the next one below (i.e. an older one
C> which I've already read and decided to keep).  Can I configure TB so
C> that it can automatically move to the next message above?

I'm afraid not. TB! moves one down the message list after each delete.

C> 3) I had this problem where my ISP only allows 4 simultaneous connection
C> to the mail server at one time and causes TB to hang when I check my 2
C> dozen accounts all at once.  I wrote a quick and dirty script to
C> overcome this.  Is there a easy way for me to configure TB to call an
C> external program (i.e. as a menu item, a button, a shortcut, etc.) so
C> that it can run my script?

Why do you need TB! to run the script?

You could use the system scheduler to run it at regular intervals. For
manual running, why not create a shortcut for it and then assign the
shortcut a hotkey?

As to letting TB! run the script, the only way I can think of doing that
would be to create a manual filter whose action is to run an external
program. Use the 'do not match message against filter rule option' so
that the filter will be triggered by any message. Assign the filter a
hotkey. Of course, you'd have to copy and paste the filter to each
account for it to work no matter which account you have selected.

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Some Newbie Questions...

[choppystride]

Hi all,

1) In my haste to start using using TB, I set up a lot (over 2 dozen) of
email accounts and just accepted the default templates (New, Reply,
Forward, etc.) for each account.  Now, after about 2 weeks of using
TB, I would like to change them all but it seems that I need to
change them one account at a time.  Is there a faster way to do this?
i.e. is there a centralized way to change the default templates so
that the changes will also apply to all existing accounts?

2) I like to view my message list such that the newer ones are at
the top.  However, after I've read a message and delete it, TB always
like to automatically highlight the next one below (i.e. an older one
which I've already read and decided to keep).  Can I configure TB so
that it can automatically move to the next message above?

3) I had this problem where my ISP only allows 4 simultaneous connection
to the mail server at one time and causes TB to hang when I check my 2
dozen accounts all at once.  I wrote a quick and dirty script to
overcome this.  Is there a easy way for me to configure TB to call an
external program (i.e. as a menu item, a button, a shortcut, etc.) so
that it can run my script?


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Re: Newbie questions......sorry!!

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi pOoTer,
On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:32:12 +0100, you wrote:

> 1. I am using Kaspersky AV v4.0.5 with the Bat! plug-in and have set up a
> template to send to people who infect me, trouble is it does not seem to
> trigger, any ideas what I am doing wrong please?
> 
> The template I am using is the one in 'Options, Virus Protection'

As a small point, although it is kind of you to notify the infected person of
the virus, in more recent cases, the sender (From field) is not who they claim
to be.  Take Klez for example, it spoofs the from field based on addresses in
the infected users address book, along with things it finds in the internet
history.


> 2. Can The Bat! compose HTML emails and if so where is the option because I
> can't find it?

No, although there are rumours of it being put into version 2.

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Newbie questions......sorry!!

[pOoTer]

Hi All,
Just joined the list and just started using this awesome mail client after
'sacking' Outlook 2000.
I have two newbie questions if you could oblige me

1. I am using Kaspersky AV v4.0.5 with the Bat! plug-in and have set up a template
to send to people who infect me, trouble is it does not seem to trigger, any
ideas what I am doing wrong please?

The template I am using is the one in 'Options, Virus Protection'

2. Can The Bat! compose HTML emails and if so where is the option because I
can't find it?

Thanks in advance, I did try and find answers on the FAQ but didn't manage
to turn anything useful up.

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Re: Newbie Questions

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@25 April 2002, 20:07:43 -0700 (04:07 UK time) Carter Thomas wrote in
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>> I  know  I'll  be slapping my forehead when I get the right answer
>> but here goes...



>> I  tried  playing about with the formatting options and steam,line
>> and column but none of those approaches seem to make any
>> difference.

>> Thanks for your help.

Use these settings in "Editor Preferences | General ..."

   Persistent blocks - Off
   Overwrite blocks  - *ON* <--- this is why!

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Re: Newbie Questions

[Carter Thomas]

HI!

Carter:

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March 04, 2002, 8:56:23 PM, you wrote:

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> HI! tbudl:

> I  know  I'll  be slapping my forehead when I get the right answer but
> here goes...

> When  I reply to a message and I want to delete part of the message, I
> highlight  text  and  then  press  delete  on my keyboard expecting to
> delete  it. Nothing in the highlighted block gets deleted but the text
> just outside the block does get deleted, one character at a time.

> When  I  highlight  the  text  block  and go to the menu bar and press
> edit/delete  it  works  as expected. Why can't I do this action on the
> keyboard  in  a  single  keystroke?  (Instead  of pressing alt e, d to
> delete the text.)

> I  tried  playing about with the formatting options and steam,line and
> column but none of those approaches seem to make any difference.

> Thanks for your help.


> Carter




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Re: Newbie Questions - address book

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@ 13:25:28 -0800 [ Tue, 12 Mar 2002], Carter Thomas [CT] thoughtfully
wrote the following:
...
CT> I haven't really noticed why sometimes it fails to find the address
CT> I'm looking for. (I'm typing the name as it appears in the address
CT> book.)

CT> Any suggestions?

I've found this feature to be very reliable in that it works all the
time. If it doesn't work for me it's usually because of something I've
done, like inserting an extra space leading to a match failure or
something of the sort.

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Newbie Questions - address book

[Carter Thomas]

HI! 

tbudl:

I have about 180 e-mail addresses. They are all set in one address
book. I have the options/preferences/auto complete box checked and I'm
telling the program to complete the addresses from "history + all
address books".

There are times when I'm typing an address and it doesn't find it. (So
I manually go to the address book and select the address.)

Other times it works as expected, pulling out the correct address as I
type the first few letters.

I haven't really noticed why sometimes it fails to find the address
I'm looking for. (I'm typing the name as it appears in the address
book.)

Any suggestions?

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Re[2]: Newbie Questions

[Carter Thomas]

HI!

Lars:

Thank you very much. That works much better.

Carter



March 04, 2002, 9:48:29 PM, you wrote:

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> The answer lies in the editor options: deactivate "persistent blocks"
> and activate "overwrite blocks".

> That should do the trick.

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Re: Newbie Questions

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Carter,
On Tuesday, March 5, 2002 at 19:56:23 [GMT -0800], you wrote:

CT> When I highlight the text block and go to the menu bar and press
CT> edit/delete it works as expected. Why can't I do this action on the
CT> keyboard in a single keystroke? (Instead of pressing alt e, d to
CT> delete the text.)

The answer lies in the editor options: deactivate "persistent blocks"
and activate "overwrite blocks".

That should do the trick.

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Newbie Questions

[Carter Thomas]

HI! tbudl:

I  know  I'll  be slapping my forehead when I get the right answer but
here goes...

When  I reply to a message and I want to delete part of the message, I
highlight  text  and  then  press  delete  on my keyboard expecting to
delete  it. Nothing in the highlighted block gets deleted but the text
just outside the block does get deleted, one character at a time.

When  I  highlight  the  text  block  and go to the menu bar and press
edit/delete  it  works  as expected. Why can't I do this action on the
keyboard  in  a  single  keystroke?  (Instead  of pressing alt e, d to
delete the text.)

I  tried  playing about with the formatting options and steam,line and
column but none of those approaches seem to make any difference.

Thanks for your help.


Carter


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Re[2]: Newbie Questions

[Carter Thomas]

HI!

Hans:

Thank you very much. That straightened things out right away.
(I did have it "Saved as a Draft". I did notice the
hourglass icon but I couldn't remember what it represented.)

Carter


March 02, 2002, 12:31:22 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Carter,

> Saturday, March 02, 2002, 9:21:44 PM, you wrote:

CT>> I've  got  a  message that is stuck in my Outbox. I've tried deleting  it,  
forwarding it and sending it. It doesn't seem
CT>> to  want  to go away. How can I "clear it out"? (I only have this problem with 
this one message. I have others that were modified then sent on to their destination.)

> Have you tried dragging it to Trash?
> If you 'Saved as draft' there's an hourglass symbol present and you
> can't delete the message by selecting Delete (but have to drag to
> Trash _or_ click hourglass symbol and then select delete).

> HTH
>  Hans Henrik 



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Re: Newbie Questions

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Hello Carter,

Saturday, March 02, 2002, 9:21:44 PM, you wrote:

CT> I've  got  a  message that is stuck in my Outbox. I've tried deleting  it,  
forwarding it and sending it. It doesn't seem
CT> to  want  to go away. How can I "clear it out"? (I only have this problem with 
this one message. I have others that were modified then sent on to their destination.)

Have you tried dragging it to Trash?
If you 'Saved as draft' there's an hourglass symbol present and you
can't delete the message by selecting Delete (but have to drag to
Trash _or_ click hourglass symbol and then select delete).

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Newbie Questions

[Carter Thomas]

HI! 

tbudl:

Newbie Questions

I have a couple of questions that I haven't been able to figure out.

I've  got  a  message that is stuck in my Outbox. I've tried deleting  it,  forwarding 
it and sending it. It doesn't seem
to  want  to go away. How can I "clear it out"? (I only have this problem with this 
one message. I have others that were modified then sent on to their destination.)

I've looked at the faqs but I haven't been able to figure out how to either point to 
or import the dictionary that is
used in Microsoft Office. I saw this mentioned on a Quick Tip.

(I also have the Microsoft Bookshelf 2000 on my hard disk.) I've looked at the 
different file types and extensions but none of
those files are large enough to the "real" dictionary. It usually seems like I end up 
importing a subset of the dictionary that
includes user added works.

Does any one else have this figured out?

Thanks for your help,

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Re: Some Newbie Questions

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Karin,

On  Fri, 24 Nov 2000  at  19:39:00 GMT +0100 (which was 10:39 AM
where I live) witnesses say Karin Spaink typed:

> The solution is to edit the message and cut
> away what you don't want to prinh.

> Copy the message to the Outbox, open it, cut away what you
> don't want to print, save and print. There.

Better yet, change your print template so instead of %Text you should
use %CLIPBOARD

Then you just need to hit ctrl-c before you print.

See the TB FAQ for a better introduction to Templates.  The discussion
doesn't focus on print templates specifically, but the structure and
thinking is the same.

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> Wait till you get to know it's user mailing list ;-)

I hope you're inferring something positive... ;-)

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Re: Some Newbie Questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi ,

On 24 November 2000 at 10:15:12 -0800 (which was 18:15 where I
live) Bernie Borenstein wrote and made these points:

BB> 1) I have it set so I minimize TB! to the system tray. I then hold
BB> my cursor over the icon to see if there are any new messages. If I
BB> have no new messages, it tells me there are 190 new messages. I
BB> assume this is because I imported my old mail from eudora. Is
BB> there any way to reset this to 0.

Find  the  unread  messages  wherever  they  now  reside in the folder
hierarchy, highlight them in the message list and press Ctrl-M to mark
them all as "Read". That should sort that one out.

BB> 2)  I  know  you'll think I'm nuts, but I receive multipage emails
BB> that I want to print a selection from Can you help me??

Pass - only what Karin said about pre-editing the message.

BB> 3) I've got it to receive HTML mail as an icon by turning
BB> HTML autoview off.  But when I click on the icon the
BB> page gets opened in Netscape.  My default browser is IE and
BB> I would like it to be IE for any pages I open in TB!  How
BB> can I do this??

I guess to do what Karin suggested about file associations.

BB> Thanx for a great product.

Don't  thank  us  -  we're  just  a  bunch  of users like yourself :-)
(although the authors are members here too).

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Re: Some Newbie Questions

[Karin Spaink]

On 24-11-2000 at 19:15, Bernie Borenstein kindly wrote:

> I just started using TB! awhile ago and really like it.  I had
> just got fed up with Eudora problems and bloat.  But I have three
> questions :

We see quite some old Eudora users here. I'm one too...

> 1) I have it set so I minimize TB! to the system tray.  I then
> hold my cursor over the icon to see if there are any new
> messages.  If I have no new messages, it tells me there are
> 190 new messages.  I assume this is because I imported my
> old mail from eudora.  Is there any way to reset this to
> 0.

That's because TB reports all unread messages as new, no
matter how old they are, while Eudora only reports all
messages retrieved since your last download as new, and
distinguishes them from (old) unread messages. No, you can't
reset that counter. The only thing you can do is mark your
old messages as new, and give them a colour coding (viz.
Eudora's label) to make them stand apart from your other,
read mail.

> 2) I know you'll think I'm nuts, but I receive multipage
> emails that I want to print a selection from.  I highlight
> my selection and select print.  The selection radio button
> is greyed.  I'm using Win98 SE and an HPLJ4L printer.
> I have looked for options to modify, but have found none.
> Can you help me??

Mybutton isn't greyed when I try this, but you're correct
that TB will print the whole of it instead of just the
selected part. The solution is to edit the message and cut
away what you don't want to prinh.

Copy the message to the Outbox, open it, cut away what you
don't want to print, save and print. There.

> 3) I've got it to receive HTML mail as an icon by turning
> HTML autoview off.  But when I click on the icon the
> page gets opened in Netscape.  My default browser is IE and
> I would like it to be IE for any pages I open in TB!  How
> can I do this??

Go to Explorer, --> Tools --> Options, and replace the
.html extentions (.htm, .shtml) with IE instead of Netscape.

> Thanx for a great product.

Wait till you get to know it's user mailing list ;-)


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Some Newbie Questions

[Bernie Borenstein]

I just started using TB! awhile ago and really like it.  I had
just got fed up with Eudora problems and bloat.  But I have three
questions :

1) I have it set so I minimize TB! to the system tray.  I then
hold my cursor over the icon to see if there are any new
messages.  If I have no new messages, it tells me there are
190 new messages.  I assume this is because I imported my
old mail from eudora.  Is there any way to reset this to
0.

2) I know you'll think I'm nuts, but I receive multipage
emails that I want to print a selection from.  I highlight
my selection and select print.  The selection radio button
is greyed.  I'm using Win98 SE and an HPLJ4L printer.
I have looked for options to modify, but have found none.
Can you help me??

3) I've got it to receive HTML mail as an icon by turning
HTML autoview off.  But when I click on the icon the
page gets opened in Netscape.  My default browser is IE and
I would like it to be IE for any pages I open in TB!  How
can I do this??

Thanx for a great product.

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Re[2]: Newbie Questions

[Avenarius]

A Bat-fellow, Nick Andriash,
wrote on Sunday, September 24, 2000 at 11:03:47 (GMT -0700), 
which was 20:03 in Bratislava --

NA> On September 24, 2000, at 9:26:01 AM, Clearwater Landscapes Wrote:

>> One problem remains...I'm unable to "Reply quoting selected text,"
>> either through the Specials menu or with F4. Have tried in both
>> accounts, one of which uses no templates except a simple sig...the
>> answer is probably easy, but I sure can't find it.

NA> When you say "I'm unable" what exactly does that mean? Are you
NA> getting any error messages? If you use your mouse to highlight the
NA> text you wish to quote, and then hit the F4 Key, what happens?


I used to experience the same problem, at a time when my folder reply
template was empty. Your folder reply template has to contain the
%QUOTES macro *somewhere*, or the F4 shortcut won't work.


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Re: Newbie Questions

[Nick Andriash]

On September 24, 2000, at 9:26:01 AM, Clearwater Landscapes Wrote:

> One problem remains...I'm unable to "Reply quoting selected text,"
> either through the Specials menu or with F4. Have tried in both
> accounts, one of which uses no templates except a simple sig...the
> answer is probably easy, but I sure can't find it.

When you say "I'm unable" what exactly does that mean? Are you getting any
error messages? If you use your mouse to highlight the text you wish to
quote, and then hit the F4 Key, what happens?


Nick


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Re: Newbie Questions

[Karin Spaink]

On 24-09-2000 at 18:26, Clearwater Landscapes kindly wrote:

> Another problem, on the second day of use, all my messages in all
> folders and subfolders disappeared! No options were checked to
> remove messages, purge, or compress...fortunately I'm keeping all
> on server for two days and am still using Eudora.

Go to your main window, open the View menu, and check under
Display. Perhaps you inadvertedly entered a keystroke that
made TB display onlu unread messages, or only messages with
attachments...

> Best Regards, Dan Eskelson

Erm - an off-topic question, if you don't mind. Clearwater,
as in: Clearwater, FL? The city that is Scientology's
stronghold?


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Newbie Questions

[Clearwater Landscapes]

Hi All,

I'm a new user and have been learning LOTS from reading these
archives...thanks for the knowledge! One problem remains...I'm
unable to "Reply quoting selected text," either through the
Specials menu or with F4. Have tried in both accounts, one of
which uses no templates except a simple sig...the answer is
probably easy, but I sure can't find it.

Another problem, on the second day of use, all my messages in all
folders and subfolders disappeared! No options were checked to
remove messages, purge, or compress...fortunately I'm keeping all
on server for two days and am still using Eudora.

The Bat! is a great step up from Eudora if I can solve the above
problems. Thanks from a grateful newbie.

Best Regards, Dan Eskelson

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Re: Introduction and (yup!) newbie questions...

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On 23 September 2000 at 13:36:27 GMT -0700 (which was 21:36 where I
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of "Introduction and (yup!) newbie questions...":

JA> If you find that you aren't using the preview pane, you can turn
JA> it off (View->Message Auto-view) and set the reading delay to
JA> something shorter.

... or you can leave it high and usual the marking hot-key (press
Ctrl-M) to mark messages as read manually,

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Re: Introduction and (yup!) newbie questions...

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Reed,


On  Saturday, September 23, 2000  at  12:56:17 GMT -0700 (which was 12:56 PM
where I live) witnesses say Reed Byers typed:

> 2) When I select an unread message (and it shows up in the preview
> pane), within a few seconds it gets marked as READ.  Now, I don't EVER
> want a message marked READ unless I open it, or mark it myself.  After
> some investigating, I've found the setting under my account's
> Properties that says "Time of reading to mark a message as read", and
> sure enough, a big enough number here does the trick.  But now, it
> won't even mark a message READ when I open the message!  Do I have to
> create a filter to do what I want here?

Viewing a message through the preview pane is the same as opening it
up.  So when you set the reading delay in the account properties, you
changed the behaviour of both.  If you find that you aren't using the
preview pane, you can turn it off (View->Message Auto-view) and set
the reading delay to something shorter.

Hope this helps.
 


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Re: Introduction and (yup!) newbie questions...

[Karin Spaink]

On 23-09-2000 at 21:56, Reed Byers kindly wrote:

> HOWEVER... like every other newbie, I *DO* have some questions.

You're welcome, in both meanings of the word ;-)

> 1) In the editor, is there any way to "bind" my cursor to the text? In
> other words, when I get to the end of a line, I REALLY want
> "cursor-right" to wrap to the next line.  If I wanted to add text off
> the edge on the right, I'd use the space bar to get there.  Likewise,
> moving the cursor up or down to a shorter line should cause it to pop
> left to the end of the line, rather than just sitting where no text
> is.

Nope, you can't 'bind' it in this way. This particular
behaviour of the cursor is called 'free caret', as I've
learned here, and I complained about it too, wanting (and
expecting) my cursor to behave just like you dexcribe.
Although I am slowly getting used to this free caret, I'm
not an advocate, and I believe the feature shoould be an
option, not an obligation.

Put it on your wish list for v2.0...


Your other question I'll leave for more accomplished users.



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Introduction and (yup!) newbie questions...

[Reed Byers]

Greetings!

My name's Reed; I'm a 32-year-old Systems Analyst working for Oregon
State University.  A week ago, I began my search for "the perfect
Windows Email client" -- after six years, the chaos and expense of
keeping all my mail in PINE on my ISP's server had finally become too
much for me -- and found my way to "The Bat!"

I've been reading the on-line archives of this mailing list for a
week, and you guys impressed me so much, I dove in and registered it
yesterday.  I *LOVE* the advanced features I'm seeing; I have no doubt
that this is the right program for me.

HOWEVER... like every other newbie, I *DO* have some questions.

1) In the editor, is there any way to "bind" my cursor to the text? In
other words, when I get to the end of a line, I REALLY want
"cursor-right" to wrap to the next line.  If I wanted to add text off
the edge on the right, I'd use the space bar to get there.  Likewise,
moving the cursor up or down to a shorter line should cause it to pop
left to the end of the line, rather than just sitting where no text
is.

2) When I select an unread message (and it shows up in the preview
pane), within a few seconds it gets marked as READ.  Now, I don't EVER
want a message marked READ unless I open it, or mark it myself.  After
some investigating, I've found the setting under my account's
Properties that says "Time of reading to mark a message as read", and
sure enough, a big enough number here does the trick.  But now, it
won't even mark a message READ when I open the message!  Do I have to
create a filter to do what I want here?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Newbie questions

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi David,

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:29:53 -0700GMT (11/09/2000, 00:29 +0800GMT),
David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS> I am glad that TB developers have been charged with saving me.  Have
DTS> you ever heard of choice?  Preference of 'do you want to get or not'.

They have been charged with spending their time on the development of
the program itself, HTML being an issue when they have nothing else to
do. But you figured that. ;-)

DTS> But at least I got all the replies I thought would happen .  I
DTS> always find it amazing how people get 'up' for this subject.

Yep, since the big mailers all do the HTML thing, we seem to get up to
protect our little world. You did touch a sensitive point, as you have
noticed. 

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Re: Newbie questions

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On 10 September 2000 at 13:30:50 GMT -0400 (which was 18:30 where I
live) BillG wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Newbie  questions":

>> 3) I can't find a "view source" function.

B> Again, I consider a "view-source" function a rudimentary feature
B> that TB is missing. Exporting and viewing externally works, but the
B> feature really should be built in. I'll get over this too.

Did  you  try Ctrl-Shift-K (view RFCheaders) as suggested? In what way
does  that  not  match  "View  Source"  functionality  (apart from not
showing attachment's in the raw)?

>> 5) Is the toolbar configurable? I can't see how to do it.

B> This is the least of my concerns, but it would be nice. Version 2
B> might include it? Hope so.

It  is  slated  to  do  so in the interview which is published on Leif
Gregory's www.pcwize.com web site.

B> When is version 2 gonna be out?

Aha! The $64m question!

B> Also, I would LOVE to have a Timed Queuing system, like Eudora.
B> Eudora allows you to specify a time and date to automatically send
B> out each queued message. That is an AWESOME feature.

I agree.

B> Hey! Everybody! Thanks for all the help! This a cool mailing list!

Hey - thanks!

B> Bill (soon to ex-)newbie



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Re: Newbie questions

[BillG]

I wrote:

> 1) Is there no NewMail indicator?

The ticker "age limits" are a not-so-great attempt to accomplish
what I need.  Most readers will display something like a small
envelope in the system tray when new mail has shown up at the
pop server.  That indicator disappears as soon as the reader is opened
That is a very rudimentary function that TheBat doesn't have.  I guess
I'll have to get over it.

> 2) Why can't I rearrange the order of my folders?

Hold Shift while moving.  Got it.

> 3) I can't find a "view source" function.

Again, I consider a "view-source" function a rudimentary feature that
TB is missing.  Exporting and viewing externally works, but the
feature really should be built in.  I'll get over this too.

> 4) the built-in html viewer doesn't seem to work very well?
> I get weather reports and comics and such from infobeat.com.
> They come in HTML form.  TheBat can't seem to render the files.
> Why?  Netscape mail, Eudora, OE, all render those messages just fine.

Lot's of discussion on this!  :-)   I understand both sides of this
controversy.  I think the best solution is to give users the choice
of retrieving if they choose.  Eudora actually does this.  It has
an option of using Microsoft's viewer.  That does introduce huge
security problems, but the option is there.  For now, I can easily
open the html attachment in my browser.  No big deal.

> 5) Is the toolbar configurable?  I can't see how to do it.

This is the least of my concerns, but it would be nice.  Version 2
might include it?  Hope so.  When is version 2 gonna be out?


Also, I would LOVE to have a Timed Queuing system, like Eudora.
Eudora allows you to specify a time and date to automatically send
out each queued message.  That is an AWESOME feature.  While Eudora
does have some nice features, there are too many things about it
that I don't like.

Hey! Everybody!  Thanks for all the help!  This a cool mailing list!

Bill (soon to ex-)newbie

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Re: Newbie questions

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:29:53 -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS> I am glad that TB developers have been charged with saving me.  Have
DTS> you ever heard of choice?  Preference of 'do you want to get or not'.

Yes, we all know about choice. The problem, however, is that for you to
get the choice, the two or more choices have to be made available and
therefore implemented. If the developers chose to implement one way
because they lack the resources to implement both or have simply made a
development path decision, then I'm glad they have chosen the secure
implementation.

DTS> But at least I got all the replies I thought would happen .  I
DTS> always find it amazing how people get 'up' for this subject.

Yes, many on this list are passionate in their views surrounding this
particular issue. :-)

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Re: Newbie questions

[Ming-Li]

On Sunday, September 10, 2000, 9:26:48 AM, David wrote:

> WOW .. talk about bandwidth 

I don't think I mentioned anything about bandwidth, did I?

> Actually IF there is a worry about security etc it would be very
> simple to have a switch (option, user preference etc) for retrieve
> or don't retrieve.  No be huha.

I think I answered that in my last message (in the paragraph about
support nightmare), and I hate to repeat myself.

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Re[3]: Newbie questions

[David Tod Sigafoos]

Hello Curt,



I am glad that TB developers have been charged with saving me.  Have
you ever heard of choice?  Preference of 'do you want to get or not'.

But at least I got all the replies I thought would happen .  I
always find it amazing how people get 'up' for this subject.


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Re[2]: Newbie questions

[David Tod Sigafoos]

Hello Ming-Li,

Sunday, September 10, 2000, 4:45:26 AM, you wrote:



WOW .. talk about bandwidth 

Actually IF there is a worry about security etc it would be very
simple to have a switch (option, user preference etc) for retrieve or
don't retrieve.  No be huha.

Developers choice .. it is also a developers choice to use the
registry to store info, it is also a developers choice to hard code
the attachment location (full path including drive) in the mail.
These are all developers choices and fine ones they are.

As I mentioned it would be very easy to make this optional .. YES?


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Re[2]: Newbie questions

[David Tod Sigafoos]

Hello Thomas,

DTS>>  Of course they are rumored to do newsreader coming

TF> It's a rumour. I don't believe in it. However, it will not be part of
TF> the email program, that's for sure.

I sure hope your are right

DTS>> But that shouldn't stop you from using TB.  It does seem to be the
DTS>> best out there.

TF> Glad you said that. :-)

Don't get to excited :-) its like saying demo better than repubo or
repubo better than demo .. it is a pretty close race :-O There are
things to clean up before enhancing.

At least we don't have mood chilies

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Re: Newbie questions

[Ming-Li]

On Sunday, September 10, 2000, 5:27:20 AM, A. wrote:

> This is a very valid point. Netscape Mail and OE will fetch images
> via links in HTML messages via their browser partners rendering
> engines. Eudora, AFAIK, uses the rendering engine of IE (correct
> me if I'm wrong here). The problem with using IE as a rendering
> engine is that the user needs to have IE installed.

Not only that, by doing so they also inherit IE's susceptibility to
bugs and viruses.

> The users accustomed to a monolithic approach may frown at this
> point though it's a very good one. By monolithic, I mean that the
> application, an e-mail client in this instance, is self contained
> and able to do most if not all things e-mail related. This is in
> contrast to the modular approach where specialised independent
> apps are used in conjunction with the e-mail client to produce a
> similar effect, though usually a more robust and user definable
> one.

I'm not really against the monolithic approach as you defined. It's
fine with me should RIT decide to incorporate a html/richtext editor
in TB, though I have very little use of it. Given the long list of
improvement expected for v2 and the extremely limited resources,
however, I sincerely think it's not wise for RIT to do so.

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Re: Newbie questions

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:45:26 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:

ML> Oh, you may think TB hasn't "fully" implemented html mail viewing,
ML> judging by the fact that many graphics in html mail are not
ML> displayed. It's a matter of security and privacy concerns (have you
ML> read news reports about how spammer could use linked graphics to
ML> trace your online activities?). It's a developer's choice, and a
ML> fine choice it is, IMHO! (Graphics embedded in the mail are
ML> displayed just fine, as you should have known.)

I have quite a few HTML messages here that were sent with the graphics
included. They displayed beautifully.

ML> You may argue that TB should give users a choice to take the chance
ML> and go fetch linked graphics anyway. The counter arguments would be
ML> equally strong, however, if not stronger. For starters, enabling
ML> that choice could be a support nightmare for RIT, which has very
ML> limited human resources. Judging from the number of brave souls who
ML> continue to use Outlook despite all those security concerns, the
ML> potential of such nightmare is indeed very high. Second, as others
ML> have pointed out, launching your favorite browser to view the
ML> message is just one click away.

Indeed. Well said. :-)

ML> HTML is an ever-evolving thing. Given the myriad of standards and
ML> proprietary-yet-popular extensions out there with which even
ML> dedicated (and much larger) browser developers (Opera software and
ML> such) have problems keeping up, TB's html viewing implementation has
ML> to stop somewhere. For me (and many Bat users, I believe), TB's
ML> current implementation is good enough.

This is a very valid point. Netscape Mail and OE will fetch images via
links in HTML messages via their browser partners rendering engines.
Eudora, AFAIK, uses the rendering engine of IE (correct me if I'm wrong
here). The problem with using IE as a rendering engine is that the user
needs to have IE installed.

ML> Lastly, there is the issue of html mail editing/sending. Should TB
ML> try to be a html editor? I don't think so. Again, this is a matter
ML> of resource management. It's no small feat trying to incorporate a
ML> html editor. Given the fact that there are many such programs out
ML> there, I see no reason for RIT trying to be another also-run. With
ML> the newest MAPI support in beta, you can easily send html mail from
ML> your browser or MAPI-enabled editor, and that should be enough.

The users accustomed to a monolithic approach may frown at this point
though it's a very good one. By monolithic, I mean that the application,
an e-mail client in this instance, is self contained and able to do most
if not all things e-mail related. This is in contrast to the modular
approach where specialised independent apps are used in conjunction with
the e-mail client to produce a similar effect, though usually a more
robust and user definable one.

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Re[2]: Newbie questions

[Curt]

On  Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:16:22 -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

David> Hello BillG,

David> TB does not do html email because they believe that email shouldn't be
David> able to do html. Of course they are rumored to do newsreader coming
David> and have many do render html (except for the graphics) but pooh pooh
David> on what is becoming standard.

I don't see any developer philosophy that "email shouldn't be able to
do html." TheBat! renders html just fine. What it doesn't do is
perform gets for embedded links within the html. For that reason I use
TheBat! as my only email client.

David> Just take it in and realize that some people like to stand in the way
David> of a raging tide :-).  It would be nice if it was switchable but until
David> they realize that email does/will contain html and graphic pointers
David> ...

Raging tide? I've missed that. Those who are really concerned about
security and privacy issues have turned to TheBat! for a level of
protection from insidious email content. If you want/need this
exposure, Microsoft and its Outlook family will be more than happy to
help satisfy you. Outlook and other fully capable html-renderers will
be happy to execute embedded code, honor Web bugs, and other wonderful
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Re: Newbie questions

[Ming-Li]

On Sunday, September 10, 2000, 1:24:55 AM, Marck wrote:

B>> 1)  Is  there no NewMail indicator? I see the animated icon and
B>> the Ticker  - but they are triggered by Unread mail, not NEW
B>> mail.

> The  ticker, when in use, has the option "Age limits". This allows
> you to configure it to only show *new* unread mesages.

Plus, if you filter mail from mailing lists into different folders,
you may set via folder properties that unread messages in such
folders are not shown in the ticker.

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Re: Newbie questions

[Ming-Li]

On Saturday, September 09, 2000, 10:16:22 PM, David wrote:

> Just take it in and realize that some people like to stand in the
> way of a raging tide :-).  It would be nice if it was switchable
> but until they realize that email does/will contain html and
> graphic pointers ...

I don't see anyone standing in the way of any tide. :-) As far as
html mail is concerned, there are three different issues.

First is about viewing html mail, which TB has implemented. So this
should be no issue.

Oh, you may think TB hasn't "fully" implemented html mail viewing,
judging by the fact that many graphics in html mail are not
displayed. It's a matter of security and privacy concerns (have you
read news reports about how spammer could use linked graphics to
trace your online activities?). It's a developer's choice, and a
fine choice it is, IMHO! (Graphics embedded in the mail are
displayed just fine, as you should have known.)

You may argue that TB should give users a choice to take the chance
and go fetch linked graphics anyway. The counter arguments would be
equally strong, however, if not stronger. For starters, enabling
that choice could be a support nightmare for RIT, which has very
limited human resources. Judging from the number of brave souls who
continue to use Outlook despite all those security concerns, the
potential of such nightmare is indeed very high. Second, as others
have pointed out, launching your favorite browser to view the
message is just one click away.

HTML is an ever-evolving thing. Given the myriad of standards and
proprietary-yet-popular extensions out there with which even
dedicated (and much larger) browser developers (Opera software and
such) have problems keeping up, TB's html viewing implementation has
to stop somewhere. For me (and many Bat users, I believe), TB's
current implementation is good enough.

Lastly, there is the issue of html mail editing/sending. Should TB
try to be a html editor? I don't think so. Again, this is a matter
of resource management. It's no small feat trying to incorporate a
html editor. Given the fact that there are many such programs out
there, I see no reason for RIT trying to be another also-run. With
the newest MAPI support in beta, you can easily send html mail from
your browser or MAPI-enabled editor, and that should be enough.

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Re: Newbie questions

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On 10 September 2000 at 00:26:54 GMT -0400 (which was 05:26 where I
live) BillG wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Newbie  questions":

B> 1)  Is  there no NewMail indicator? I see the animated icon and the
B> Ticker  - but they are triggered by Unread mail, not NEW mail.

The  ticker, when in use, has the option "Age limits". This allows you
to configure it to only show *new* unread mesages.

IMHO  the  other  answers  you  have  received are spot-on and I won't
bother restating them. The only thing I will do is endorse the comment
that TB does not use browser "GET" technology to retrieve non-included
graphics  because  it  is  not right that it should. TB is an off-line
reader.  "GET"  is  an on-line function. QED. Any "get with the trend"
type  statement  ridiculing  the  way  TB does this are misleading and
inaccurate.  The  *majority*  of  TB  users  would  be unhappy if this
methodology were to change for reasons of security, bandwidth and call
costs when retrieving extra images.

It is very easy to simply double-click the icon for the HTML to launch
the  system  default  browser  for  full  HTML view - even easier than
Thomas indicates ... there is no need to change any settings.

Personally, I delete HTML attachments and keep the plain text.

B> That's it. I really DO like this tool. I LOVE the strong filtering
B> (it is at least as good as the Eudora filtering). The whole
B> template thing is VERY cool. Eudora can't even spell "template". :)

You are certainly on the right track here. Once you marry Address Book
templates  with  Quick  Templates and the %QINCLUDE macro you suddenly
enter a whole new realm of flexibility.

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Re: Newbie questions

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo David,

On Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:16:22 -0700 GMT (10/09/00, 13:16 +0800 GMT),
David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS> TB does not do html email because they believe that email shouldn't be
DTS> able to do html.

Guess I just confirmed what you say.

DTS>  Of course they are rumored to do newsreader coming

It's a rumour. I don't believe in it. However, it will not be part of
the email program, that's for sure.

DTS> But that shouldn't stop you from using TB.  It does seem to be the
DTS> best out there.

Glad you said that. :-)

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Re: Newbie questions

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Bill,

On  Saturday, September 09, 2000  at  00:26:54 GMT -0400 (which was 9:26 PM
where I live) witnesses say BillG typed:

> 1) Is there no NewMail indicator?  I see the animated icon and the
> Ticker - but they are triggered by Unread mail, not NEW mail.

 Nope.  The closest you can get is to mark "old" unread messages with
 a different colour group, using the flag or park options.  Then mark
 your old unread messages as read.  There are many disadvantages to
 this strategies, but its the closest you can get right now.

> 2) Why can't I rearrange the order of my folders?  They appear in the
> order that they were created, and I can't fugure out how to
> re-order them.

 Hold down the ALT key while dragging with the mouse.  To make a
 folder a child folder of another folder, use ALT-CTRL and drag.

> 3) I can't find a "view source" function.

 I think you have to export the message and view it using your
 favourite text editor.

> 4) the built-in html viewer doesn't seem to work very well?

 TB renders HTML properly, it just will not go onto the net to search
 for graphics, etc.  If the pictures are sent along with the message,
 then TB will display them correctly.  There are several reasons, one
 of them being:
 Some spammers will send an HTML message with a reference to a small
 graphic with a unique name.  When their server registers a hit on
 that file, they know that your address is active.

 I usually leave the HTML auto-view turned off.  When I get a message
 where I want to see the formatted version, I just double click on the
 attachment icon to view it in my default browser.

 I wouldn't want RIT to spend any time working on the HTML rendering
 engine.  However, I wonder how much work it is to make use of the IE
 engine?  I know several programs that do this to incorporate browser
 capabilities.

> 5) Is the toolbar configurable?  I can't see how to do it.

 Not yet.  It is supposedly going to be in Version 2.  But don't hold
 your breath waiting for *everything* that is rumoured to be in the
 works for V2.

> The lack of a NewMail indicator, and the HTML viewer problem might
> be show-stoppers (if I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong).




 


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Re: Newbie questions

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo BillG,

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:26:54 -0400 GMT (10/09/00, 12:26 +0800 GMT),
BillG wrote:

B> 1) Is there no NewMail indicator?  I see the animated icon and the
B> Ticker - but they are triggered by Unread mail, not NEW mail.

OK, The Bat! assumes that any unread mail is "new". Therefore,
"unread" and "new" messages are treated the same way. However, if you
have found how to indicate by sound when a new mail has arrived, you
can also create a filter catching all incoming messages and run an
external program (Account/Sorting Office/Incoming Mail/New). As
"filering string" in "rule" you choose a catch-all, for example "@"
present in 'kludges' (TB's word for 'headers'). Then under the Action
tab, you click on "Run external program" and have your coffee machine
make a double espresso. ;-)

B> 2) Why can't I rearrange the order of my folders?

Hold down the ALT key while dragging them.

B> 3) I can't find a "view source" function.  I see that I can view the
B> RFC-822 headers - that is good.  But I'd like to be able to view the
B> entire raw data of any message.  Is that possible?  Every other mail
B> reader that I've used has that ability.

Email: headers + body = raw message. HTML: some picture thing.

However, if you tick Options/External Image Viewer, any HTML
attachment will open in you favourite browser in which you can view
the source.

B> 4) the built-in html viewer doesn't seem to work very well?
B> I get weather reports and comics and such from infobeat.com.
B> They come in HTML form.  TheBat can't seem to render the files.
B> Why?  Netscape mail, Eudora, OE, all render those messages just fine.

The viewer works perfectly, only in TB. If the images are sent with
the message, they will be shown. However, often enough they are not,
and the email client is required to conntact to the internet and "get"
these images. NS, Eudora and OE do that, and we dont' like it: it's a
security problem. We don't want TB to do this.

B> 5) Is the toolbar configurable?  I can't see how to do it.

AFAIK I think it's not configurable. But we do have a wish list. ;-)

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Re: Newbie questions

[David Tod Sigafoos]

Hello BillG,

TB does not do html email because they believe that email shouldn't be
able to do html. Of course they are rumored to do newsreader coming
and have many do render html (except for the graphics) but pooh pooh
on what is becoming standard.

Oh .. and watch .. you will probably be getting a lot of '.. yeah man
we dont do html' yada yada.

Just take it in and realize that some people like to stand in the way
of a raging tide :-).  It would be nice if it was switchable but until
they realize that email does/will contain html and graphic pointers
...

But that shouldn't stop you from using TB.  It does seem to be the
best out there.

DSig


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B> I'm guessing that I have not been using TheBat long enough - that some
B> of you experts can answer these questions.  The lack of a NewMail
B> indicator, and the HTML viewer problem might be show-stoppers (if I
B> can't figure out what I'm doing wrong).

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Newbie questions

[BillG]

I'm an unregistered user of ver 1.45.  I have been reasonable impressed with
TheBat!, but there are a few things that are REALLY bothering me. If I
can get these problems worked, I REALLY want to buy this program.
Maybe someone can tell me how to fix them:

1) Is there no NewMail indicator?  I see the animated icon and the
Ticker - but they are triggered by Unread mail, not NEW mail.  If I
already have some unread messages (I always have some!), then I will
not have any indication that a new message was just downloaded (other
than a sound, if that is enabled and I happen to be in the room).

2) Why can't I rearrange the order of my folders?  They appear in the
order that they were created, and I can't fugure out how to
re-order them.

3) I can't find a "view source" function.  I see that I can view the
RFC-822 headers - that is good.  But I'd like to be able to view the
entire raw data of any message.  Is that possible?  Every other mail
reader that I've used has that ability.

4) the built-in html viewer doesn't seem to work very well?
I get weather reports and comics and such from infobeat.com.
They come in HTML form.  TheBat can't seem to render the files.
Why?  Netscape mail, Eudora, OE, all render those messages just fine.

5) Is the toolbar configurable?  I can't see how to do it.

That's it.  I really DO like this tool.  I LOVE the strong filtering
(it is at least as good as the Eudora filtering).  The whole template
thing is VERY cool.  Eudora can't even spell "template".  :)

I'm guessing that I have not been using TheBat long enough - that some
of you experts can answer these questions.  The lack of a NewMail
indicator, and the HTML viewer problem might be show-stoppers (if I
can't figure out what I'm doing wrong).

Please help this newbie.  :)

Bill

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Re: Newbie questions continued

[Ming-Li]

Hi Thomas,

ML>> The documentation has been quite outdated for some time, and I
ML>> guess the most likely time we'll see a new documentation is
ML>> when v2 is released.

> By "most likely", do you mean that you're going to write it? 

If it's 2 years earlier, I'm almost certain I would volunteer to
help. Unfortunately, I can't, unless I don't want to graduate
anymore, :-(

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Re: Newbie questions continued

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,

Responding  to  your  article  on Tuesday, July 25, 2000 at 11:44:10 GMT
+0800 (which was 25/07/2000 10:44 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

ML>> The  documentation  has  been  quite  outdated for some time, and I
ML>> guess the most likely time we'll see a new documentation is when v2
ML>> is released.

TF> By "most likely", do you mean that you're going to write it? 

We already have volunteer for this, i.e. Paula Ford.

Hi Paula !,
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Re: Newbie questions continued

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Ming-Li,

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:24:58 -0700GMT (25/07/2000, 06:24 +0800GMT),
Ming-Li wrote:

>> Sorry about some of these questions, but the online help is  scant
>> (to say the least) regarding some of TB's more intriguing
>> features.

That is a nice way to put it.

ML> The documentation has been quite outdated for some time, and I guess
ML> the most likely time we'll see a new documentation is when v2 is
ML> released.

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Re: Newbie questions continued

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Arnie, 

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 at 15:31:07 [GMT -0400], you wrote:
A> Sorry about some of these questions, but the online help is scant
A> (to say the least) regarding some of TB's more intriguing features.
A> My second question involves the folders listed in Sorting Office.
A> Inbox and Outbox are self explanitory, but Read Messages, Replied
A> Messages and Kill Filters aren't. Although shown as folders, I
A> can't find hide nor hair of them other than in Sorting Office
A> windows.

A>   What can they be used for?

Check the TBUDL FAQ page at  in the How
Do I section. For a direct link, please go to:


I wrote it a release or two ago, so it doesn't cover all the new stuff
added recently, but it covers your question.


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Re: Newbie questions continued

[Ming-Li]

Hi Arnie,

> Sorry about some of these questions, but the online help is  scant
> (to say the least) regarding some of TB's more intriguing
> features.

The documentation has been quite outdated for some time, and I guess
the most likely time we'll see a new documentation is when v2 is
released. Contrary to what some people suggested when v1.45 was
released recently, no new documentation or help file was included in
the release.

> My second question involves the folders listed in  Sorting
> Office. Inbox and Outbox are self explanitory, but Read  Messages,
> Replied Messages and Kill Filters aren't.  Although  shown as
> folders, I can't find hide nor hair of them other than  in Sorting
> Office windows.

They are not "folders". If you look more closely, they aren't named
"Inbox" and "Outbox", but rather "Incoming Mail" and "Outgoing
Mail". And it's one of the most powerful feature of TB.

Unlike most, if not all, of the other mail clients, TB allows you to
have different filters for incoming mail, outgoing mail, read mail,
and replied mail, plus a kill filter (called "selective download" in
the newest version). And the sorting office is where you manage all
the filters for an account. Filters organized under the "Read
messages" tree, e.g., won't be applied to, say, outgoing messages.

The most confusing category for some people is the "Replied
Messages". Filters in this category are applied to messages to which
you reply, not the reply messages (to be sent by you) themselves.
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[Arnie]

Hello TBUDL,

  Sorry about some of these questions, but the online help is scant
  (to say the least) regarding some of TB's more intriguing features.
  My second question involves the folders listed in Sorting Office.
  Inbox and Outbox are self explanitory, but Read Messages, Replied
  Messages and Kill Filters aren't.  Although shown as folders, I
  can't find hide nor hair of them other than in Sorting Office
  windows.

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Re: More newbie Questions

[Peter Steiner]

On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:12:07 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

K>>> Ummm...just once thing.  What do you do to restore being shown all the
K>>> messages?

C>> Simply hit the  key. :-)

> Also  the  Ctrl+=  key has the same function. This is crucial when you
> apply  a  filter to a folder view since  closes the folder window
> before it removes the filter :-).

Once again a problem with international keyboards (mine is Swiss
german), where the '=' key is not on its 'usual' place (it's Shift-0,
but Shift-Ctrl-0 doesn't work). I tried the key where '=' sits on
english keyboards (two keys right of 0, is that correct?) and
Ctrl-thiskey is 'next-unread' (Ctrl-] or Ctrl-[ on english keyboards)
... :-(

Does anybody know what to press on swiss or german keyboards? And can
somebody explain the algorithm that TB! (Delphi?) uses to
map key combinations to commands?

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[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Oleg,

On 17 July 2000 at 11:52:09 GMT +0500 (which was 07:52 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
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OZ> While there is no way to assign a hotkey to the colorgrouping

Stefan  answered this and revealed that there is. A manual filter from
e.g.  Inbox to Inbox with a HotKey and the "Check message against this
rule"  *not*  checked  will  allow  you  to do this and won't move the
message.

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[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Saturday, July 15, 2000, Ming-Li wrote to Katsmeow about
More newbie Questions:

ML> on the status icon of any unread mail (the yellow envelope icon),
My  mathematician  soul  can't stand this. There should be 'for normal
priority messages' added inside parenthesis.

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[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Friday, July 14, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
Newbie questions:

SL> It  is  just  a  bit  with  functionality that can be replicated a
SL> variety  of  different ways. So far I've not found a single way of
SL> organizing  the  message list that flags addresses any better than
SL> any other method.
While  there  is no way to assign a hotkey to the colorgrouping I will
use  it  to  mark  message in the thread which I will answer if nobody
already  answered  it (which can be found only after reading the whole
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[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hi Marck, 

S>> At now, TB insist that you move a message in the course of filtering.
S>> If you want it to remain, the "source" and "destination" folders must
S>> be the same.

MDP> And,  to  elaborate further, "destination" *must* be specified. So, an
MDP> ad-hoc  manual  filter tied to a hot-key to simply colour a message is
MDP> not an option because the message has to move *somewhere* as specified
MDP> in the filter's "Move messages to folder" setting.`

As a matter of fact, if the source and destination folders are the
same, a message won't be moved if you apply a filter using hot-key.
Not so obvious as it should (we will try to make it better), but it
works :-)

The exception is when the filter conditions should apply - then the
message should be moved to the destination folder...


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Re: More newbie Questions

[John Sullivan]

On Saturday 15 July 2000 SyP wrote:
> Katsmeow wrote on 7/15/2000, 6:21 PM
K>> Ummm...just once thing.  What do you do to restore being shown all the
K>> messages?
> Hit ESC.

...unless your in the Search window, in which case you almost
certainly want to be hitting Ctrl+= instead.

(This still gets me occasionally. With a messagebase of about 40,000
messages, it's *really* annoying to wait 5 minutes or so for a search,
drill down, hit ESC to get back but instead see those 5 minutes go
down the drain.)

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[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi SyP,

On 15 July 2000 at 20:53:55 GMT +0200 (which was 19:53 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "More newbie Questions":

PF>> It's not necessary ordinarily to move a message in order to filter
PF>> it.

S> At now, TB insist that you move a message in the course of filtering.
S> If you want it to remain, the "source" and "destination" folders must
S> be the same.

And,  to  elaborate further, "destination" *must* be specified. So, an
ad-hoc  manual  filter tied to a hot-key to simply colour a message is
not an option because the message has to move *somewhere* as specified
in the filter's "Move messages to folder" setting.`

So ... sorry, but au contrere, Paula :-).

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[SyP]

Hello Paula,

You wrote on 7/15/2000, 7:17 PM

PF> It's not necessary ordinarily to move a message in order to filter
PF> it.

At now, TB insist that you move a message in the course of filtering.
If you want it to remain, the "source" and "destination" folders must
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[Paula Ford]

On Friday, July 14, 2000, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> ... and the versatility of the filters. The last is only marred by
MDP> the insistence that filtered messages have to /move/ somewhere
MDP> (shudder).

Is this in connection with the "virtual folder"?  It's not necessary
ordinarily to move a message in order to filter it.

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[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Curtis,

On 15 July 2000 at 11:30:00 GMT -0500 (which was 17:30 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "More newbie Questions":

K>> I did *not* know this and I do like this feature.  Thanks.

K>> Ummm...just once thing.  What do you do to restore being shown all the
K>> messages?

C> Simply hit the  key. :-)

Also  the  Ctrl+=  key has the same function. This is crucial when you
apply  a  filter to a folder view since  closes the folder window
before it removes the filter :-).

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[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

Katsmeow wrote on 7/15/2000, 6:21 PM

K> Ummm...just once thing.  What do you do to restore being shown all the
K> messages?


Hit ESC.

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[Curtis]

On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:21:22 -0500, Katsmeow wrote:

K> I did *not* know this and I do like this feature.  Thanks.

K> Ummm...just once thing.  What do you do to restore being shown all the
K> messages?

Simply hit the  key. :-)

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[Katsmeow]

Hi Ming-Li,

Saturday, July 15, 2000, 9:26:01 AM, you wrote:

> Just in case you don't know, you may hold down the Alt key and click
> on the status icon of any unread mail (the yellow envelope icon),
> which is the equivalent of View/Display/Only Unread Mail, but a tad
> simpler. The same technique applies to other part of the message
> list. E.g., click on a person's name in the "From" column while
> holding down the Alt key and TB would show only messages from the
> same sender.


I did *not* know this and I do like this feature.  Thanks.

Ummm...just once thing.  What do you do to restore being shown all the
messages?


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[Ming-Li]

Hi Katsmeow,

> Yes...but you won't hold that setting after you close the program.
> I would ideally like it to hold this setting from one session to
> the next.  As it is, if I want this I have to go in and set it
> each time I open the program (and I do this at least twice a day
> as I use a notebook computer that I use at both work and home).

Just in case you don't know, you may hold down the Alt key and click
on the status icon of any unread mail (the yellow envelope icon),
which is the equivalent of View/Display/Only Unread Mail, but a tad
simpler. The same technique applies to other part of the message
list. E.g., click on a person's name in the "From" column while
holding down the Alt key and TB would show only messages from the
same sender.

I know this doesn't fill your need about keeping the same view
between sessions, just hope it would make your life a bit easier.

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[Katsmeow]

Hi Nick,

Friday, July 14, 2000, 2:16:54 PM, you wrote:

> View/Display/Only Unread Messages? Does that not accomplish what the
> original poster wanted?

Yes...but you won't hold that setting after you close the program.  I
would ideally like it to hold this setting from one session to the
next.  As it is, if I want this I have to go in and set it each time I
open the program (and I do this at least twice a day as I use a
notebook computer that I use at both work and home).

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Re: More newbie Questions

[Ming-Li]

Hi Nick,

>> I would like to be able to get away from these dual folders and
>> just have one folder for each list but to be able to look only at
>> unread mail.

ML>> If you read only new mail to the degree that you want to set
ML>> "show unread messages only" as default (which, regrettably, can't be
ML>> done at the moment), then threading is of little use anyway.

> View/Display/Only Unread Messages? Does that not accomplish what the
> original poster wanted?

I'm afraid not. Katsmeow want it to be the default whenever TB is
launched. So far TB doesn't remember the Display status between
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[Nick Andriash]

On Friday, July 14, 2000, 12:14:06 PM, Ming-Li wrote:

> I would like to be able to get away from these dual folders and just
> have one folder for each list but to be able to look only at unread
> mail.

ML> If you read only new mail to the degree that you want to set
ML> "show unread messages only" as default (which, regrettably, can't be
ML> done at the moment), then threading is of little use anyway.

View/Display/Only Unread Messages? Does that not accomplish what the
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[Curtis]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:57:38 -0500, Katsmeow wrote:

K> I do think the Ticker is a cool feature.  However, that said, I still
K> would like to able to set The Bat! when looking at folders to only
K> show unread messages (or whatever).  Right now, I filter incoming
K> messages to a separate inbox for each mailing list I am on.  Then if
K> I want to save mail from the list I put that in a separate folder.  I
K> would like to be able to get away from these dual folders and just
K> have one folder for each list but to be able to look only at unread
K> mail.  I like the ticker but I get several hundred new messages a day
K> and many of them I do not want to read and wish to delete unread.  It
K> is easier to do this through the individual folder.

I use a common folder for TBBETA and TBUDL. I colour code the
messages from each list so that I can tell which is from where by
colour. I use manual read filters to keep the folder message count down
so that only two days worth of messages are present at a time. If you
wish for only read messages to be present then use automatic read
filters. The messages will be moved as soon as you read them.

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[Ming-Li]

Hi Katsmeow,

> However, that said, I still would like to able to set The Bat!
> when looking at folders to only show unread messages (or
> whatever).  Right now, I filter incoming messages to a separate
> inbox for each mailing list I am on.  Then if I want to save mail
> from the list I put that in a separate folder.  I would like to be
> able to get away from these dual folders and just have one folder
> for each list but to be able to look only at unread mail.  I like
> the ticker but I get several hundred new messages a day and many
> of them I do not want to read and wish to delete unread.  It is
> easier to do this through the individual folder.

I might not understand you correctly, and this is not exactly what
you want, but turning off threading plus sorting by received time
would gather all new mail together. TB doesn't remember View/Display
setting from session to session, but it does remember the threading
setup. If you read only new mail to the degree that you want to set
"show unread messages only" as default (which, regrettably, can't be
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[Katsmeow]

Hi Marck,

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 3:49:43 PM, you wrote:

K>> 2. If I want only unread messages displayed, do I have to manually
K>> set that each time the program opens by going to View and then
K>> Display or can I set a default for only unread messages to show?

MDP> This  is  a  new Universe. The Bat has the ticker. The ticker contains
MDP> all  unread  messages  (from  all  folders  that  may  be  selected to
MDP> contribute their new mail content to the ticker - see folder options).
MDP> When  you  open  new  mail  from  the ticker, you are presented with a
MDP> single  "virtual"  folder  containing *only* the new mail.

I do think the Ticker is a cool feature.  However, that said, I still
would like to able to set The Bat! when looking at folders to only
show unread messages (or whatever).  Right now, I filter incoming
messages to a separate inbox for each mailing list I am on.  Then if I
want to save mail from the list I put that in a separate folder.  I
would like to be able to get away from these dual folders and just
have one folder for each list but to be able to look only at unread
mail.  I like the ticker but I get several hundred new messages a day
and many of them I do not want to read and wish to delete unread.  It
is easier to do this through the individual folder.

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[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Steve,

On 14 July 2000 at 08:19:51 GMT -0700 (which was 16:19 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Newbie questions":

>> He  didn't know of the parallel - and now (between us) we've filled in
>> the gaps. Labels are colours :-).

SL> I just hope we're not doing something like saying that PMMail's message
SL> view is like TB!'s folder view when the two, clearly, are not the same.  They
SL> look the same.  They vaguely act the same.  But functionally they are
SL> different.  :)

A good point and an inherent danger in making such comments :-).

In  this  case  however,  colour groups were what Stef and Max came up
with  when  repeatedly  asked  to do "something like" Eudora's labels.
IIRC  when  I used Eudora I could assign a message to belong to one of
10  groups, each of which could be assigned a name and a colour. These
were the "labels". TB's technology is similar but IMHO more versatile.

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Re: Newbie questions

[Steve Lamb]

Friday, July 14, 2000, 5:46:18 AM, Thomas wrote:
> beta 5

What happened to 4, 3, and 2?  :P

>  Beta 1

> [+] Empty subject reminder

Oh hell.  Wanna know something funny?  Ritlabs did the same thing a lot of
people do in this regard.  They created a dialog and there is a checkbox there
to turn off that dialog if so desired.  OK, I can respect that.  Don't like
the feature, don't like the verbage, but at least they let you turn it off.

Now, I have to ask.  If you uncheck the dialog and later want that feature
how are you going to turn it back on if you can never get the dialog to come
up to check that box again?

It isn't in the options, tools or account properties.  I just checked.
Amazingly enough this is a common problem.  If I recall correctly either
Netscape or OE, when they first implemented it on the "do you want us to check
to see if we're the default browser" dialog, I turned it off.  Later I wanted
it to check since I dropped Opera for a while.  I couldn't get it to come back
nor was there a way to set it as the default browser anywhere.  I had to
uninstall and reinstall to get it as default.

> [+] Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys pressed make Reply button to work different

That almost makes up for the subject dialog, almost.  When are they going
to do the same for delete?  Do you know how annoying it is to try to delete a
thread with the mouse and CNTL-SHIFT- doesn't work?  :)

> [-] Attachment size was calculated with 2 extra bytes...

Inflation.

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[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 1:55:02 PM, Marck wrote:
SL>>Well, if labels are colors and he knows of colors, why the
SL>> question. I'm puzzled.

> He  didn't know of the parallel - and now (between us) we've filled in
> the gaps. Labels are colours :-).

I just hope we're not doing something like saying that PMMail's message
view is like TB!'s folder view when the two, clearly, are not the same.  They
look the same.  They vaguely act the same.  But functionally they are
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[Ming-Li]

Hi Marck,

> Still,  last  minor bug I reported Stefan wrote me that he was
> hard at work  on  V2

Good to hear that.

> - he'd fix the bug if I didn't mind it delaying V2. I replied
> "don't let me distract you" :-).

Hm, looks like we all should restrain ourselves from "bugging"
him too much.

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Re[4]: Newbie questions

[Thomas Speer]

Hello phil,
on 05:11 you wrote:

yo forgot all the features an fixes that came up during beta 1 to 6

p> On Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 21:23:19 GMT -0500 (which was 7:23 PM
p> where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
K>> Is there some list of the new or different features?
p> Search, or View the TBBETA archive HERE:
p>
p> To Subscribe to TBBETA, double-click HERE:
p>
p>   The Bat! v1.45 Beta/7 is now available from
p>   http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html
p>   Changes (not too much for today):
p> [*] Read-Only attributes are removed automatically
p> (to avoid problems caused by restoring data from a CD)
p> [-] Fix for late binding of attachments
p> [-] Filters were not copied correctly


Beta 6

[+] Search in Memo fields
[+] Search by colour group
[*] Files with Content-ID are now automatically extracted too
[*] Some corrections to the adding attachments routine
[*] OK/Cancel confirmation of immediate send from editor
(it was of Yes/No type before)
[*] Priority: urgent is now supported
[*] *.MSG/*.EML files now can be attached without encoding
[*] A little speed imrovement when searching in message text
[*] Storing visual parameters of Search window
[*] Calculation of POP/SMTP total/downloaded/transeffered sizes
is now more correct
[-] Bug with not extracting attachments from messages
(introduced in 1.45 Beta)
[-] Leak in CmdLine's /MAIL command
[-] %PRIORITY="H/N/L" macro is now working in the message editor
[-] /Mailto parameter was not working without a user implicitly set
[-] Buttons "Wait for completion" confirmation were messed up


beta 5

 [+] Kill filters Advanced page should now work

 [-] Bugs with copying/opening URLs from HTML viewer

 [-] Dial-up Monitor should now work under Windows NT (some weird
 things can be expected - should be tested thoroughly)
 
 [-] New icons in dial-up monitor
 
 [*] About box has new (temporary) look
 
 [*] Redesigned dial-up monitor window
 
 [+] New Abort button in dial-up monitor that terminates (frees) all
 queued tasks and connections
 
 [-] Bug with displaying of messages with the first textual part
 having the "filename" parameter set...

 [-] Leaks from around the program
 
 [*] Possible problems with loading/saving of INI files
 
 [-] VCF could not be viewed from messages
 
 [+] /LOGIN Command Line parameter - the parameters of this command
 are USER=account_name and PASSWORD=access_password
 (e.g. /LOGIN;USER=MyAccount;PASSWORD=MyPassword)
 to avoid login dialogue at startup in multi-user environment

 [-] List Index out of bounds error when combining unfinished split message

 [-] May be some other minor fixes that are forgotten :-)

 Beta 1

[+] Support of Reading Confirmation and Confirm Receipt Request
compatible with RFC 2298 and RFC 1891 (respectively)

[+] Empty subject reminder

[+] Add random data from file for PGP key generation

[+] Advanced Address options in the filters

[+] Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys pressed make Reply button to work different

[*] New automatic send/reply/forward module - it should be more safe,
fast and with less errors...

[*] PGP version, comment block and hash algorithm wasn't put

[*] Paste quotation now uses initials

[*] System-independent UTF encoding/decoding

[-] Attachments were not forwarded

[-] List Index out of bounds error when combining unfinished split
message

[-] Help button in PGP window didn't work

[-] Attachment size was calculated with 2 extra bytes...

[-] Some other minor glitches
 


using The BAT 1.45 Beta/7 on a pentium133 64MB under Windows NT 

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Re: More newbie Questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Curtis,

On 14 July 2000 at 06:52:53 GMT -0500 (which was 12:52 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "More newbie Questions":

MDP>> ...  The ticker contains all unread messages ... messages can be
MDP>> pre-filtered and still gathered to one place for mass-viewing.

C> Mass viewing without colour codes.  I'm wondering when
C> that will be fixed. :-/

Me too. I complained about that practically on the day colour grouping
was introduced IIRC. It's a major shortcoming of what, IMHO, is one of
the   greatest   plus   points  of  TB.  Other  major  pluses  include
QuickTemplates,  the  power  of template macros and the versatility of
the  filters.  The last is only marred by the insistence that filtered
messages have to /move/ somewhere (shudder).

Still,  last  minor bug I reported Stefan wrote me that he was hard at
work  on  V2  -  he'd  fix  the bug if I didn't mind it delaying V2. I
replied "don't let me distract you" :-).

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Re: More newbie Questions

[Curtis]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:49:43 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> This  is  a  new Universe. The Bat has the ticker. The ticker contains
MDP> all  unread  messages  (from  all  folders  that  may  be  selected to
MDP> contribute their new mail content to the ticker - see folder options).
MDP> When  you  open  new  mail  from  the ticker, you are presented with a
MDP> single  "virtual"  folder  containing *only* the new mail. There is an
MDP> interesting keyword in here regarding "from all folders" ISFA messages
MDP> can be pre-filtered and still gathered to one place for mass-viewing.

Mass viewing without colour codes.  I'm wondering when that
will be fixed. :-/

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Re: More newbie Questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Katsmeow,

On 13 July 2000 at 14:48:38 GMT -0500 (which was 20:48 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "More newbie Questions":

K> Thought of two more.

K> 1.  Quick Templates look great to me and I want to use them.  However,
K> when I start to type in one, it is all one line and the line does not
K> wrap.  Also when I insert it in my message it does not wrap.  It does
K> wrap for the recipient but that doesn't help me.  I need to be able to
K> have it wrap on the screen for me as I need to customize the exact
K> language so need to be able to see it.  For example, in Eudora I have
K> stationary where I have set up a form letter to send to people who buy
K> books.  I fill in manually the amount.  I am having problem setting up
K> a quick template as it is hard to do this when it won't wrap during
K> creation or when I insert it.  I am sure I am doing something
K> wrong...but what?

It  will  wrap  automatically  during  if  you  have  auto-format  and
auto-wrap  both  enabled  for  the  editor.  Otherwise  you can insert
returns into the quick template at will. Also you can prepare the text
in  a  dummy  message,  cut it and finally paste it into the new Quick
template.

Following  use of an unformatted Quick Template in a message, a simple
Alt-L (or Alt-J) keystroke will reflow the text.

K> 2. If I want only unread messages displayed, do I have to manually
K> set that each time the program opens by going to View and then
K> Display or can I set a default for only unread messages to show?

This  is  a  new Universe. The Bat has the ticker. The ticker contains
all  unread  messages  (from  all  folders  that  may  be  selected to
contribute their new mail content to the ticker - see folder options).
When  you  open  new  mail  from  the ticker, you are presented with a
single  "virtual"  folder  containing *only* the new mail. There is an
interesting keyword in here regarding "from all folders" ISFA messages
can be pre-filtered and still gathered to one place for mass-viewing.

I  find this facility far more versatile than any other scheme by far.
Of course, that's just my opinion and others may well disagree.

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Re: Newbie questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Steve,

On 13 July 2000 at 13:38:39 GMT -0700 (which was 21:38 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Newbie questions":

>>>> 3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
>>>> so, what?

>>> Labels?

>> If memory serves me well (it rarely does, and I used Eudora many
>> years ago), labels are colors.

SL>Well, if labels are colors and he knows of colors, why the
SL> question. I'm puzzled.

He  didn't know of the parallel - and now (between us) we've filled in
the gaps. Labels are colours :-).

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Re[3]: Newbie questions

[phil]

On Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 21:23:19 GMT -0500 (which was 7:23 PM
where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
K> Is there some list of the new or different features?
Search, or View the TBBETA archive HERE:
   
To Subscribe to TBBETA, double-click HERE:
   
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  http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html
  Changes (not too much for today):
[*] Read-Only attributes are removed automatically
(to avoid problems caused by restoring data from a CD)
[-] Fix for late binding of attachments
[-] Filters were not copied correctly
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Re[2]: Newbie questions

[Katsmeow]

Hello Nick,

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 7:49:48 PM, you wrote:

NA> But the individual in question is trying out the Program under the 30
NA> trial period, and in the interim is still using Eudora as their primary
NA> Mail Client. Under those circumstances, I'd be more inclined to try the
NA> Beta, to get a better sense of which direction the development of the
NA> Software is heading.

You are quite correct.  I am leaving all messages retried with The
Bat! on the server and am periodically downloading them all to Eudora.
 If I write a message that is important I forward a copy of it to
 myself so I get with Eudora also.

 Accordingly, I have now downloaded and installed the Beta...only
 problem is that I don't see what is new.  Is there some list of the
 new or different features?



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Re: Newbie questions

[Nick Andriash]

On Thursday, July 13, 2000, 5:46:43 PM, Tom Plunket wrote:

TP> No thanks, even though (or perhaps especially because) I am
TP> "experienced," I sure ain't jumpin' on no beta of this software.  My
TP> mail is too valuable to trust to a not-yet-seen bug.

But the individual in question is trying out the Program under the 30
trial period, and in the interim is still using Eudora as their primary
Mail Client. Under those circumstances, I'd be more inclined to try the
Beta, to get a better sense of which direction the development of the
Software is heading.


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Re: More newbie Questions

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Katsmeow,


On  Thursday, July 13, 2000  at  14:48:38 GMT -0500 (which was 12:48 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


> Thought of two more.

> 1.  Quick Templates look great to me and I want to use them.  However,
> when I start to type in one, it is all one line and the line does not
> wrap.  Also when I insert it in my message it does not wrap.  It does
> wrap for the recipient but that doesn't help me.  I need to be able to
> have it wrap on the screen for me as I need to customize the exact
> language so need to be able to see it.  For example, in Eudora I have
> stationary where I have set up a form letter to send to people who buy
> books.  I fill in manually the amount.  I am having problem setting up
> a quick template as it is hard to do this when it won't wrap during
> creation or when I insert it.  I am sure I am doing something
> wrong...but what?

 That's because you don't want auto line wrapping when you're using a
long string of macros or regular expressions.  One way to work around
this is to open a new message, type what you want in your template and
then copy and paste it into the quick template editor.

 Note that even the new message editor may feel strange to someone new
to TB.  You can make the editor behave more like a typical windows
editor by using the autoformat options.  Be warned that this feature
has some oddities, so you may want to switch back and forth between
using it and disabling it.  I would post more details, but I can not
beat the explanations Allie (aka Curtis) has given previously.
Unfortunately, I can not find one of his explanations right now.  You
may have better luck searching the archives for this list.



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Re[2]: Newbie questions

[Orson Kellogg]

As a cautious type, I tend to wait till after beta before trying
software.

Can anyone list some of the new features in the beta? I'm curious.

Thanks.

Orson


Thursday, July 13, 2000, 4:48 PM, you wrote:

> On Thursday, July 13, 2000, 4:43:56 PM, Katsmeow wrote:

K>> I am a longtime Eudora user trying out The Bat.

K>> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091

> I don't know how some of the other more experienced TB! Users feel about
> it, but if I were checking out TB! for the first time, I'd lean toward
> installing the latest Beta:

> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

> as that would give you the most up to date list of features.



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Re: Newbie questions

[Tom Plunket]

NA> I don't know how some of the other more experienced TB! Users feel about
NA> it, but if I were checking out TB! for the first time, I'd lean toward
NA> installing the latest Beta:

NA> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

NA> as that would give you the most up to date list of features.

...not to mention the most up to date list of unreported bugs.

No thanks, even though (or perhaps especially because) I am
"experienced," I sure ain't jumpin' on no beta of this software.  My
mail is too valuable to trust to a not-yet-seen bug.

While it's true that there may well be serious bugs in the version I'm
using, they are well known by now, so bugs that might affect me are
easy to work around.

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Re: Newbie questions

[Nick Andriash]

On Thursday, July 13, 2000, 4:43:56 PM, Katsmeow wrote:

K> I am a longtime Eudora user trying out The Bat.

K> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091

I don't know how some of the other more experienced TB! Users feel about
it, but if I were checking out TB! for the first time, I'd lean toward
installing the latest Beta:

http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

as that would give you the most up to date list of features.



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Re: Newbie questions

[Orson Kellogg]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 11:42 AM, you wrote:

> 1.  What is a "colour group"?  How do you use it and how do you
> create it?  I feel like I must have missed this in the help file but
> have not found anything so either it isn't there or I didn't know it
> when I read about it.

Colour groups are essentially the same as labels in Eudora. TB also
lets you change the font as well as the color, however. You can choose
whether to view the label associated with each color or just the in
the list of message color (View > Message List Columns).

> 2.  What is the purpose of flagging a message?  Is it only that it
> puts a red flag next to the message?

I use flags to mark messages that I want to get back to later for
various reasons. The big advantage of the flag is that I can search
for all my flagged messages, throughout my account, and thereby find
messages that I wanted to deal with but which may be tucked away in
various folders.

> 3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
> so, what?

Color groups.

Take care,

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Re: More newbie Questions

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 12:48:38 PM, Katsmeow wrote:
> creation or when I insert it.  I am sure I am doing something
> wrong...but what?

Not hitting return?

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Re: Newbie questions

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 12:20:18 PM, Ming-Li wrote:
> Really? I use it quite a lot. I might be visually less obvious than
> color group, but it's easy to use (with one mouse click), and easy
> to sort by flag (so all flagged messages would be presented
> together, which is more cumbersome to do with color groups).

Assuming, of course, that all flagged messages are of a similar group.  It
is just a bit with functionality that can be replicated a variety of different
ways.  So far I've not found a single way of organizing the message list that
flags addresses any better than any other method.

>>> 3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
>>> so, what?

>> Labels?

> If memory serves me well (it rarely does, and I used Eudora many
> years ago), labels are colors.

Well, if labels are colors and he knows of colors, why the question.  I'm
puzzled.


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More newbie Questions

[Katsmeow]

Thought of two more.

1.  Quick Templates look great to me and I want to use them.  However,
when I start to type in one, it is all one line and the line does not
wrap.  Also when I insert it in my message it does not wrap.  It does
wrap for the recipient but that doesn't help me.  I need to be able to
have it wrap on the screen for me as I need to customize the exact
language so need to be able to see it.  For example, in Eudora I have
stationary where I have set up a form letter to send to people who buy
books.  I fill in manually the amount.  I am having problem setting up
a quick template as it is hard to do this when it won't wrap during
creation or when I insert it.  I am sure I am doing something
wrong...but what?

2.  If I want only unread messages displayed, do I have to manually
set that each time the program opens by going to View and then Display
or can I set a default for only unread messages to show?

  

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Re: Newbie questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Katsmeow,

On 13 July 2000 at 13:42:30 GMT -0500 (which was 19:42 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Newbie questions":

K> I am a longtime Eudora user trying out The Bat. I decided to try it
K> out because I like the idea of templates for each mailbox

The  Bat  goes  a  step  further even than that. By using Address Book
templates  (which  override  folder  templates)  you  can get specific
formats/sigs for specific destination addresses.

K> Also, Eudora gives me big resource problems.

You  are  coming  to  TB at a good time then. A lot of resource issues
were handled in the most recent mailbox database improvements.

K> 1.  What  is  a  "colour  group"?  How do you use it and how do you
K> create it? I feel like I must have missed this in the help file but
K> have  not  found anything so either it isn't there or I didn't know
K> it when I read about it.

Colour groups are a fairly new feature. You can set them up in Options
...  Message list colours. You can assign them to messages in messages
lists manually or through filter actions.

K> 2.  What is the purpose of flagging a message?  Is it only that it
K> puts a red flag next to the message?

Yes. It can be used as a search / filter criterion too.

K> 3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
K> so, what?

Only colour groups and memos. It's a different universe.

K> 4. Searching. How to do you search across all mailboxes.
K> Alternatively is there a way to search across specified mailboxes?
K> This is fairly easily done in Eudora.

Using  the  Message  finder dialog (tools .. search). You can search a
specified  folder,  include  sub  folders,  the  whole  account or all
accounts.

K> 5.  I read somewhere that the next version will have MAPI.  I saw
K> speculation that would be out in February this year but obviously that
K> is delayed.

The  speculation was going on in February. The date speculated was end
of May.

K> Any ideas when the next version will be out and why it is held up?

We  know  that  V2 is being worked on. We have no Beta (or even alpha)
launch dates. It'll be there when it appears, I suppose.

K> 6. Anyone know if additional font choices are expected for later
K> versions.

Please  refer to the article on Fonts in the FAQ. There is good reason
for the restriction.

K> 7. Oh, when writing a message, is there any easy way to switch back
K> to the main The Bat page? I find myself needing to do so, and find
K> it less than easy to do so.

Use  the "Options .. Define System Hot-Keys" settings to pervert a key
to your own design for this purpose.

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Re: Newbie questions

[SyP]

Hello Katsmeow,

let me first ask you to not begin a new thread by replying to an
unrelated mail, because it messes up the threaded view. Thanks.

You wrote on 7/13/2000, 8:42 PM

K> Anyway, I've read the help files but still have questions (and
K> probably more to come):
Fine.

K> 1. What is a "colour group"? How do you use it and how do you
K> create it?

You can assign each message in the message list to a "colour group".
It makes a better visual experience when navigating the folders.

You can create a colour group in Option -> Message List Colours.
You can set the font's script, style, and colour for read and unread
states separately.
In Sorting Office -> * -> Rule -> Actions you can set the colour
group, or you can filter on it (see the Advanced tab)

K> 2.  What is the purpose of flagging a message?  Is it only that it
K> puts a red flag next to the message?
Yes.  Before flagging I usually used parking to mark a message, but it
has the side effect that I cannot remove the message in one step, so I
better like flagging. (And I am still able to use parking for
important mail)

K> 3. Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora? If
K> so, what?
I do not know Eudora, but maybe Memos worth a look.

K> 4. Searching. How to do you search across all mailboxes.
There are three radiobuttons in the search dialog:
o search in folder
o search in current account
o search in all accounts
The latter two options are relevant.

K> Alternatively is there a way to search across specified mailboxes?
K> This is fairly easily done in Eudora.
Not one I know.

K> 5. I read somewhere that the next version will have MAPI. I saw
K> speculation that would be out in February this year but obviously
K> that is delayed. Any ideas when the next version will be out and
K> why it is held up?
I would not expect TB2 to appear in this year, maybe beta versions...

K> 6.  Anyone know if additional font choices are expected for later
K> versions.

K> 7.  Oh, when writing a message, is there any easy way to switch back
K> to the main The Bat page?  I find myself needing to do so, and find it
K> less than easy to do so.

What about Alt+Tab switching or clicking to the main TB page?

K> Thanks for any help.
You're welcome.

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Re: Newbie questions

[Ming-Li]

Hi Steve,

>> 2.  What is the purpose of flagging a message?  Is it only that
>> it puts a red flag next to the message?

> Yes.  Quite pointless to me, actually.  I wish I could shut
> that off completely on all new folders and folder views

Really? I use it quite a lot. I might be visually less obvious than
color group, but it's easy to use (with one mouse click), and easy
to sort by flag (so all flagged messages would be presented
together, which is more cumbersome to do with color groups).

>> 3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
>> so, what?

> Labels?

If memory serves me well (it rarely does, and I used Eudora many
years ago), labels are colors.

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Re: Newbie questions

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 11:42:30 AM, Katsmeow wrote:
> 1.  What is a "colour group"?

Just colors.

> How do you use it and how do you create it?

In 1.44, which you have, they are just for highlighting.  As for creating,
Message:Color Group:Edit Color Groups.

> 2.  What is the purpose of flagging a message?  Is it only that it
> puts a red flag next to the message?

Yes.  Quite pointless to me, actually.  I wish I could shut that off
completely on all new folders and folder views

> 3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
> so, what?

Labels?

> 4. Searching. How to do you search across all mailboxes.
> Alternatively is there a way to search across specified mailboxes?
> This is fairly easily done in Eudora.

God, Eudora does it so poorly it isn't funny.  In the search dialog you
have search specified folder, search subfolders, search account and search all
accounts.  All are fairly self-explanatory.

> 5.  I read somewhere that the next version will have MAPI.  I saw
> speculation that would be out in February this year but obviously that
> is delayed.  Any ideas when the next version will be out and why it is
> held up?

v2.0?  Feb of this year was when the interview about it was, nothing more.
It'll be out when it is out.

> 6.  Anyone know if additional font choices are expected for later
> versions.

What fonts would you need?  AFAIK all monospaced fonts are available and
proportional fonts in email are wrong.

> 7.  Oh, when writing a message, is there any easy way to switch back
> to the main The Bat page?  I find myself needing to do so, and find it
> less than easy to do so.

The main The Bat page?  Huh?  You mean the main window.  Click on it,
Alt-TAB to it.  Just like any other application.

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Newbie questions

[Katsmeow]

I am a longtime Eudora user trying out The Bat.  I decided to try it
out because I like the idea of templates for each mailbox (in Eudora I
always wanted to be able to have it automatically know which sig I
wanted to use for each list).  Also, Eudora gives me big resource
problems.

Anyway, I've read the help files but still have questions (and
probably more to come):

1.  What is a "colour group"?  How do you use it and how do you create
it?  I feel like I must have missed this in the help file but have not
found anything so either it isn't there or I didn't know it when I
read about it.

2.  What is the purpose of flagging a message?  Is it only that it
puts a red flag next to the message?

3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
so, what?

4. Searching. How to do you search across all mailboxes.
Alternatively is there a way to search across specified mailboxes?
This is fairly easily done in Eudora.

5.  I read somewhere that the next version will have MAPI.  I saw
speculation that would be out in February this year but obviously that
is delayed.  Any ideas when the next version will be out and why it is
held up?

6.  Anyone know if additional font choices are expected for later
versions.

7.  Oh, when writing a message, is there any easy way to switch back
to the main The Bat page?  I find myself needing to do so, and find it
less than easy to do so.

Thanks for any help.



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