Re: [Therion] DistoX2 waterproof case

[Владимир Георгиев via Therion]

Hi

The guy that makes them is from Bulgaria and I have seen and used the cases
a few times.
They are pretty good, sturdy and fully waterproof. Some of the models are
with a wireless charger so you don't need to ever open the case.
They make the disto a bit larger of course, but it is not a problem.

Last time I spoke with Stanislav, a few weeks ago, he said that currently
he doesn't have the time to produce them. But you can write him and ask.

Vladimir

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 21:52 Bruce Mutton via Therion 
wrote:

> While we are on the topic of DisoX2.
>
>
>
> Has anyone here tried these? https://www.facebook.com/DistoX2Case/
>
> Any feedback?
>
>
>
> I have tried to contact Stanislav via the facebook page, but without any
> luck.
>
> I would like two, and I suspect there would be a market in New Zealand for
> at least few more.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Bruce
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Re: [Therion] Экспорт в KML - export cave-list html and kml

[Владимир Георгиев via Therion]

>
>
> Hope that helps :)
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> *From:* Bruce Mutton [mailto:br...@tomo.co.nz]
> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 January 2018 11:58 AM
> *To:* List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Экспорт в KML
>
>
>
> Yes it does make a difference. Define a cave with the survey definition.
> Define secondary entrances within centrelines.
>
> See the difference if you export caves to a html file. For best effect you
> can do this for a multi cave project where each cave has multiple
> entrances.  I will post example outputs later.
>
> I suspect the kml exports are not reporting the hierachy however.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung device, hence the typo's
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Владимир Георгиев via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>
> Date: 28/01/18 10:16 (GMT+12:00)
> To: List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
> Cc: Владимир Георгиев <vld.georg...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Therion] Экспорт в KML
>
> Bruce
>
> Yes, that's right, you can define any number of entrances like this.
> Although I admit I haven't used the "survey 01 -title “Some Cave name”
> -entrance 1" syntax. So far I have always listed the entrances within the
> surveys with several  "station XX "Some other entrance name" entrance"
> lines.
>
>
> Does it make a difference which syntax is used?
>
> Vlad
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 11:01 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>
> And I have no Russian, but making assumptions based on Vladimir’s response…
>
> (and apologising for using English)
>
>
>
> There are more subtle nuances that can be conveyed.
>
> Have a look at https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/drawingchecklist?s[]=
> entrance#points and scroll down to ‘Passage Ends’ point entrance.
>
> You can tell Therion to define a cave, and further, specifically define
> all the entrances that the ‘cave’ has.
>
>
>
> To expand on and change Vladimir’s example
>
>
>
> survey 01 -title “Some Cave name” -entrance 1
>
> #defining the entrance here as part of survey definition tells Therion ‘it
> is a cave’
>
>   centerline
> cs lat-long
> fix 0 11:22:33.4 22:33:44.5 1234  # set the GPS coordinates and
> elevation of station 0
> station 3 "Some other entrance name" entrance
>
>   # Mark station 3 as another entrance of ‘Some Cave name’ cave, and
> display it’s name also
>
> …
>
>   endcenterline
>
> endsurvey
>
> Have I got that right Vlad?
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *
>  via Therion
> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 January 2018 7:18 AM
> *To:* List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев <vld.georg...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Экспорт в KML
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> My Russian is not that good, so I will reply in English.
>
> The kml model can export the entrances, if that is what you mean by
> "объектов". To get the name of the cave to display, you have to mark one or
> more stations as entrances. Something like this:
>
>   centerline
> cs lat-long
> fix 0 11:22:33.4 22:33:44.5 1234  # set the GPS coordinates and
> elevation of station 0
> station 0 "Some cave name" entrance  # Mark station 0 as an entrance
> and set the name to be displayed. Not necessarily the same station as the
> one with the coords.
>   ...
>
> Vladimir
>
>
>
>
>
> 2018-01-26 11:08 GMT+02:00 Кунгурская лаборатория-стационар via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk>:
>
> Здравствуйте.  Подскажите, пожалуйста. Я пытаюсь экспортировать данные
> в KML-файл. Вот строка
>
> export model -fmt kml -output Kungur_Z.kml
>
> При   просмотре   kml-файла   он   не  отображает названия объектов, а
> отображаются только линии.
>
> Подскажите,  пожалуйста, как сделать так, чтобы названия объектов тоже
> отображались?
>
>
>
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Re: [Therion] Экспорт в KML

[Владимир Георгиев via Therion]

Bruce

Yes, that's right, you can define any number of entrances like this.
Although I admit I haven't used the "survey 01 -title “Some Cave name”
-entrance 1" syntax. So far I have always listed the entrances within the
surveys with several  "station XX "Some other entrance name" entrance"
lines.

Does it make a difference which syntax is used?

Vlad

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 11:01 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion <
therion@speleo.sk> wrote:

> And I have no Russian, but making assumptions based on Vladimir’s response…
>
> (and apologising for using English)
>
>
>
> There are more subtle nuances that can be conveyed.
>
> Have a look at https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/drawingchecklist?s[]=
> entrance#points and scroll down to ‘Passage Ends’ point entrance.
>
> You can tell Therion to define a cave, and further, specifically define
> all the entrances that the ‘cave’ has.
>
>
>
> To expand on and change Vladimir’s example
>
>
>
> survey 01 -title “Some Cave name” -entrance 1
>
> #defining the entrance here as part of survey definition tells Therion ‘it
> is a cave’
>
>   centerline
> cs lat-long
> fix 0 11:22:33.4 22:33:44.5 1234  # set the GPS coordinates and
> elevation of station 0
> station 3 "Some other entrance name" entrance
>
>   # Mark station 3 as another entrance of ‘Some Cave name’ cave, and
> display it’s name also
>
> …
>
>   endcenterline
>
> endsurvey
>
> Have I got that right Vlad?
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *
>  via Therion
> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 January 2018 7:18 AM
> *To:* List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев <vld.georg...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Экспорт в KML
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> My Russian is not that good, so I will reply in English.
>
> The kml model can export the entrances, if that is what you mean by
> "объектов". To get the name of the cave to display, you have to mark one or
> more stations as entrances. Something like this:
>
>   centerline
> cs lat-long
> fix 0 11:22:33.4 22:33:44.5 1234  # set the GPS coordinates and
> elevation of station 0
> station 0 "Some cave name" entrance  # Mark station 0 as an entrance
> and set the name to be displayed. Not necessarily the same station as the
> one with the coords.
>   ...
>
> Vladimir
>
>
>
>
>
> 2018-01-26 11:08 GMT+02:00 Кунгурская лаборатория-стационар via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk>:
>
> Здравствуйте.  Подскажите, пожалуйста. Я пытаюсь экспортировать данные
> в KML-файл. Вот строка
>
> export model -fmt kml -output Kungur_Z.kml
>
> При   просмотре   kml-файла   он   не  отображает названия объектов, а
> отображаются только линии.
>
> Подскажите,  пожалуйста, как сделать так, чтобы названия объектов тоже
> отображались?
>
>
>
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Re: [Therion] Экспорт в KML

[Владимир Георгиев via Therion]

Hi

My Russian is not that good, so I will reply in English.
The kml model can export the entrances, if that is what you mean by
"объектов". To get the name of the cave to display, you have to mark one or
more stations as entrances. Something like this:

  centerline
cs lat-long
fix 0 11:22:33.4 22:33:44.5 1234  # set the GPS coordinates and
elevation of station 0
station 0 "Some cave name" entrance  # Mark station 0 as an entrance
and set the name to be displayed. Not necessarily the same station as the
one with the coords.
  ...

Vladimir


2018-01-26 11:08 GMT+02:00 Кунгурская лаборатория-стационар via Therion <
therion@speleo.sk>:

> Здравствуйте.  Подскажите, пожалуйста. Я пытаюсь экспортировать данные
> в KML-файл. Вот строка
>
> export model -fmt kml -output Kungur_Z.kml
>
> При   просмотре   kml-файла   он   не  отображает названия объектов, а
> отображаются только линии.
>
> Подскажите,  пожалуйста, как сделать так, чтобы названия объектов тоже
> отображались?
>
>
>
> --
> С уважением,
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Re: [Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs

[Владимир Георгиев via Therion]

Michal

The current installer should offer an option to install only for the
current user, which will not require admin rights.

But as Bruce mentioned, the current installer is not quite intelligent and
it is very easy to mess the locations if you have an older version
installed for all users (in Program Files) and install the newer one for
the current user. These are different locations and different registry
entries.

Most of the suggestions so far were to revert the installer to the previous
one, which had only the All users option and required admin rights. I think
you are the first one to actually say that you need a non-admin installer.

Making it admin only as before is the easiest thing to do, and "tried and
true" like Bruce said :)

If I make the installer more intelligent it could detect if the app is
already installed in a particular location for All/Current. And if it is
installed, it will reuse the location without asking for it. This way there
should be no conflicts. To change the install type users would have to
first uninstall. This will not be very hard, but still will require some
testing and I don't have the time lately.
I'll see if I can test it next week. Otherwise I will revert the installer
code to the previous one, but building and publishing the actual installer
files is up to Stacho and Martin.

Vladimir

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion@speleo.sk
> wrote:

> Just a reminder,
>
> As far as I know, the current installation files mess up your Windows
> registry and both the installation folders if you have an existing
> installation in the ‘all users’ area and then you install over that with
> ‘only for me’.
>
> If you have a previous installation on a Windows machine, and you want to
> keep all your customised settings (ie without uninstalling the existing
> installation first), select 'Install for all users', and NOT 'Install only
> for me'. Otherwise you'll need to manually hack the registry to unpick the
> carnage.
>
> I posted about this on 30May2017, but for some reason it does not show up
> in the Mail Archive.  I’ll post it again in parallel with this message.
>
>
>
> I’ll put my vote in again for the simple tried and true ‘install for all
> users’.  Aside from the big issues (registry carnage), you know your
> installation files and settings will always be in C:\Program Files…
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *Michal
> Danko via Therion
> *Sent:* Monday, 16 October 2017 8:33 PM
> *To:* List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
> *Cc:* Michal Danko <michal.da...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer
> incomplete installs
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> any news about installer without admin rights?
>
> For my it would be very handy because i use sometimes company pc without
> admin...
>
>
> S pozdravom
>
> Ing. Michal Danko
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Владимир Георгиев via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>
> I got your idea :)
>
> That means making the installer non-admin only, so it will always install
> the shortcuts and registry entries for the Current user only. And the
> default suggested install location will be in the user's AppData folder,
> not in Program files.
>
>
> The theoretical Therion user who shares a computer with another Therion
> user will have to install their own copy :)
>
> Vlad
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Footleg via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>
> wrote:
>
> I have yet to meet a Therion user who knows another Therion user who they
> share a computer with. So I would be happy with install for Current user
> only.
>
>
>
> Footleg
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:15 PM Владимир Георгиев via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>
> Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old
> installer too.
>
> But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that
> go into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If
> it doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user
> problem.
>
> Vlad
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>
> wrote:
>
> Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to a
> location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to
> install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write
> permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on
> each page to accept the default install under Program Files.
>
>
>
> Footleg
>

Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs

[Владимир Георгиев via Therion]

I got your idea :)
That means making the installer non-admin only, so it will always install
the shortcuts and registry entries for the Current user only. And the
default suggested install location will be in the user's AppData folder,
not in Program files.

The theoretical Therion user who shares a computer with another Therion
user will have to install their own copy :)

Vlad

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Footleg via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>
wrote:

> I have yet to meet a Therion user who knows another Therion user who they
> share a computer with. So I would be happy with install for Current user
> only.
>
> Footleg
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:15 PM Владимир Георгиев via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old
>> installer too.
>> But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that
>> go into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If
>> it doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user
>> problem.
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to
>>> a location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to
>>> install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write
>>> permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on
>>> each page to accept the default install under Program Files.
>>>
>>> Footleg
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion <
>>> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is outside of my area of expertise, however:
>>>>
>>>>- No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there
>>>>are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows
>>>>versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too 
>>>> clever.
>>>>- No 2 is OK by me.
>>>>
>>>> I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version.  The installer is
>>>> compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10
>>>> years.  I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make
>>>> Therion workflow ‘comfortable’.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *
>>>>  via Therion
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *To:* List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
>>>>
>>>> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев <vld.georg...@gmail.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer
>>>> incomplete installs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> About the installer problems...
>>>>
>>>> Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind:
>>>> 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an
>>>> existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the
>>>> same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not
>>>> prevent all possible problems though.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the
>>>> "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older
>>>> installers worked and always installed in Program Files.
>>>>
>>>> In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion,
>>>> which is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract
>>>> it in a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG
>>>> file extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location
>>>> from the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the
>>>> current folder.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful?
>>>>
>>>> Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer?
>>>>
>>>> Vladimir
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Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs

[Владимир Георгиев via Therion]

Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old installer
too.
But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that go
into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If it
doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user
problem.

Vlad

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>
wrote:

> Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to a
> location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to
> install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write
> permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on
> each page to accept the default install under Program Files.
>
> Footleg
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>
>> It is outside of my area of expertise, however:
>>
>>- No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there
>>are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows
>>versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too clever.
>>- No 2 is OK by me.
>>
>> I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version.  The installer is
>> compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10
>> years.  I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make
>> Therion workflow ‘comfortable’.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *????
>>  via Therion
>> *Sent:* Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
>>
>> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев <vld.georg...@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer
>> incomplete installs
>>
>>
>>
>> About the installer problems...
>>
>> Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind:
>> 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an
>> existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the
>> same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not
>> prevent all possible problems though.
>>
>> 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the
>> "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older
>> installers worked and always installed in Program Files.
>>
>> In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, which
>> is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract it in
>> a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG file
>> extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location from
>> the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the current
>> folder.
>>
>> Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful?
>>
>> Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer?
>>
>> Vladimir
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Re: [Therion] wiki images do not render

[Владимир Георгиев via Therion]

Bruce

The images work fine on my system (Win 7 with Firefox). I scrolled around
the page and did not see any placeholders. All the thumbnails seem to be
there and clicking them opens the larger images.

I suppose that it could be caused by your ISP or another proxy/firewall
software in between. Have you checked from other computers or locations?

Vladimir

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion <
therion@speleo.sk> wrote:

> For some months now, some of the images in the Therion wiki do not render.
>
> At least that is my experience.
>
> I typically use Chrome, but checked just now with IE11 and with MS Edge.
> All have pretty much the same behaviour.
>
>
>
> It is as though the web page can only display so many images, and once
> some limit is reached, only a placeholder icon is displayed.
>
> Clicking some of the icons will bring up the image, but with others, there
> is an error like this.
>
>
>
> If I edit the page, and then click preview, the images appear in preview
> perfectly, but on saving the page, they are usually back to placeholder
> icons.
>
>
>
> To see what I mean, look at the FAQ page https://therion.speleo.sk/
> wiki/faq
>
> Then scroll down ‘How to arrange the maps’, the images below here are
> placeholder icons only, with some exceptions.
>
>
>
> Is this the same for others?
>
> Is there a solution?
>
>
>
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Re: [Therion] Question/Problem with customizing text labels

[Владимир Георгиев via Therion]

There is also a "min-symbol-scale" option in layout, which hides smaller
symbols. It might work similar to what you are doing in the font_setup
metapost.
You can hide the smallest items, not the largest ones, but hiding the
larger ones is not that useful anyway.


On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Henry.Bennett--- via Therion <
therion@speleo.sk> wrote:

> Hi Vladimir,
>
>
>
> “-scale” sounds interesting.  One of the things I like about s,m,l,xl, etc
> was the ability in metapost to set xs to zero (0).
>
>
>
> Consider a system where you have a full size survey of a single cave.  I
> can draw that cave with full detail using xs set to a x font size. When
> that cave intercepts the cave master I can simply draw the system by
> suppressing some of the detail by using
>
>
>
>   code metapost
>
> #change the size of the default fonts
>
> #fonts_setup(,,,<
> largesize>,);
>
> fonts_setup(0,18,40,64,80);
>
>   endcode
>
>
>
> I will take a look at –scale and see how that works in such a case.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> *Henry Bennett*
>
> Solutions Consultant
>
> *Dell* *EMC* | Public Sector
>
> henry.benn...@dell.com  +44 7717 157 193 <+44%207717%20157193>
>
> http://uk.linkedin.com/in/bennetthenry/
>
> Planned absence: *19-23 June*
>
>
>
> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *
>  via Therion
> *Sent:* 15 May 2017 16:34
> *To:* Bennett, Henry <henry_benn...@dell.com>
> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев <vld.georg...@gmail.com>; TherionList <
> therion@speleo.sk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Question/Problem with customizing text labels
>
>
>
> Henry
>
> After a talk with Stacho, he thought that it would be better not to
> increase the list of sizes. They are restrictive, in a sense that you have
> a limited set and can not use anything larger or smaller or in-between
> sizes.
>
> There was a "scale" option that already existed, but was not enabled, so
> he enabled it.
>
> For point and line items you can use this option:
>
> "-scale ", where  is the scale factor. The normal size
> corresponds to 1.0, but you can use any value >0.
>
> Vladimir
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 3:48 PM, <henry.benn...@dell.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,  I see that more text size options didn’t make it into the 5.4.1
> release.
>
>
>
> Would be great to see it in a future release.
>
>
>
> Thanks, Henry
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *
>  via Therion
> *Sent:* 13 December 2016 15:13
> *To:* List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев <vld.georg...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Question/Problem with customizing text labels
>
>
>
> Torsten
>
> I can't confirm or test the issue, but if the -xl size is too small, you
> can check out the beta version here https://github.com/
> vldgeorgiev/therion/wiki
>
> A few weeks ago I added three more large symbol sizes. E.g. 2XL, 3XL and
> 4XL. They might work in your case.
>
>
> If I have time next week I will see about the frame size and why it is
> drawn smaller.
>
> Vladimir
>
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Re: [Therion] Question/Problem with customizing text labels

[Владимир Георгиев via Therion]

Henry

After a talk with Stacho, he thought that it would be better not to
increase the list of sizes. They are restrictive, in a sense that you have
a limited set and can not use anything larger or smaller or in-between
sizes.
There was a "scale" option that already existed, but was not enabled, so he
enabled it.

For point and line items you can use this option:
"-scale ", where  is the scale factor. The normal size
corresponds to 1.0, but you can use any value >0.

Vladimir

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 3:48 PM, <henry.benn...@dell.com> wrote:

> Hi,  I see that more text size options didn’t make it into the 5.4.1
> release.
>
>
>
> Would be great to see it in a future release.
>
>
>
> Thanks, Henry
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *
>  via Therion
> *Sent:* 13 December 2016 15:13
> *To:* List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев <vld.georg...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Question/Problem with customizing text labels
>
>
>
> Torsten
>
> I can't confirm or test the issue, but if the -xl size is too small, you
> can check out the beta version here https://github.com/
> vldgeorgiev/therion/wiki
>
> A few weeks ago I added three more large symbol sizes. E.g. 2XL, 3XL and
> 4XL. They might work in your case.
>
>
> If I have time next week I will see about the frame size and why it is
> drawn smaller.
>
> Vladimir
>
>
>
> Dell Corporation Limited is registered in England and Wales. Company
> Registration Number: 2081369
> Registered address: Dell House, The Boulevard, Cain Road, Bracknell,
> Berkshire, RG12 1LF, UK.
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Re: [Therion] News from therion.sk page

[Владимир Георгиев via Therion]

Hi

Good to hear from you.
Initially I started with smaller pull requests, but because there was no
activity at all on the original repo, I dropped that.
Now that the commits have piled up it will require some amount of creating
branches and rebasing, but I will try to do that in the next couple of
days. I will split them in several features.

Vladimir


On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Stacho Mudrak via Therion <
therion@speleo.sk> wrote:

> Hello Vladimir,
>
> firstly thanks for your work. We are slowly getting to work therion
> developement on github and we would like to review and merge all pull
> requests there. Would it be a huge work for you to split this large pull
> request into smaller (feature or function specific) parts, that could be
> easier to review?
>
> Thanks, S.
>
> On 9 January 2017 at 11:08, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>
> wrote:
>
>> Do it, please!
>>
>> I'll check it. :)
>>
>> m.s.
>>
>> On Jan 09, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Владимир Георгиев via Therion <
>> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Martin
>>
>> Happy new year.
>> It's good to see that there is some activity on the Github and Stacho and
>> Martin are making updates.
>>
>> When you say that we can submit pull requests, do you think that someone
>> will have the time to review and approve them? There are already 5 requests
>> pending for some time.
>> In my fork of the repo there are other changes too
>> https://github.com/vldgeorgiev/therion/wiki/Changelog
>> I can make a pull request combining all of the changes if there is
>> interest and if the authors can review and merge them.
>>
>> Best
>> Vladimir
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Martin Sluka via Therion <
>> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>>
>>> December 27th 2016 Contact page:
>>>
>>> You can submit issues and pull requests on GitHub. There is also a
>>> historical project page on Savannah.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/therion/therion
>>>
>>> http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/therion/
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [Therion] News from therion.sk page

[Владимир Георгиев via Therion]

Hi Martin

Happy new year.
It's good to see that there is some activity on the Github and Stacho and
Martin are making updates.

When you say that we can submit pull requests, do you think that someone
will have the time to review and approve them? There are already 5 requests
pending for some time.
In my fork of the repo there are other changes too
https://github.com/vldgeorgiev/therion/wiki/Changelog
I can make a pull request combining all of the changes if there is interest
and if the authors can review and merge them.

Best
Vladimir

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Martin Sluka via Therion  wrote:

> December 27th 2016 Contact page:
>
> You can submit issues and pull requests on GitHub. There is also a
> historical project page on Savannah.
>
> https://github.com/therion/therion
>
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/therion/
>
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Re: [Therion] Question/Problem with customizing text labels

[Владимир Георгиев via Therion]

Torsten

I can't confirm or test the issue, but if the -xl size is too small, you
can check out the beta version here
https://github.com/vldgeorgiev/therion/wiki
A few weeks ago I added three more large symbol sizes. E.g. 2XL, 3XL and
4XL. They might work in your case.

If I have time next week I will see about the frame size and why it is
drawn smaller.

Vladimir

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Torsten Schnitter via Therion <
therion@speleo.sk> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I played around with base-scale option and this "suprise" is working
> pretty good. For most of my cave symbols.
> But I figured out that it's the same problem with passage-heigt symbols.
> So may be there is a bug in this symbol!?
>
> When I use
> scale 1 250
> base-scale 1 1000
> I get the same "error" than before. The Frame is not all around the number
> (see attached picture).
> There is no scale option anymore for this passage-height point. So it's up
> to default scale.
>
> Am I the only one with this behavior or can someone else confirm it?
> Is there any workaround for this?
>
> regards,
> Torsten
>
> Martin Sluka via Therion  hat am 13. Dezember 2016 um
> 09:25 geschrieben:
>
>
> Therion is a big black box full of such small surprises! ;)
>
> m.
>
>
> 13. 12. 2016 v 8:02, Torsten Schnitter via Therion :
>
> Hi Martin
>
> There is no stupid question but only stupid answers. ;-)
>
> Thanks for that advice. I never used base-scale so far.
> But this is doing want I wanted to achieve and I don't need fonts_setup
> for that...
>
> regards,
> Torsten
>
> Martin Sluka via Therion  hat am 12. Dezember 2016 um
> 18:56 geschrieben:
>
> Maybe stupid question, but have you checked scale and base-scale in layout?
>
> m.s.
>
> 12. 12. 2016 v 17:38, Torsten Schnitter via Therion :
>
> Hi all
>
> I have a question concerning customizing text labels.
> Drawing a map with scale 1:250 is ok. Just some points a very small on the
> map.
> Therefore I would like to resize these points and make them bigger.
>
> For example:
> "point x y passage-height -value [- 10 m]" generates the wanted symbol, a
> number with a frame around. But it's to small (attached picture
> passage-height-1.jpg).
> I add the option "-scale xl". Now it's a little bit bigger but still to
> small (attached picture passage-height-2.jpg).
>
> Finally I use within the layout command:
> code metapost
> fonts_setup(6,8,10,14,36);
> endcode
>
> Now the number is looking good in size but the frame around is not correct
> anymore (attached picture passage-height-3.jpg).
>
> Is there a solution for this problem?
> Or is there any other option to resize single points or lines (like "point
> passage-heigt" or "line label" ...)?
> I'm looking forward for any help.
>
> Thanks,
> Torsten
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Re: [Therion] Simple Android Software with export to Therion

[Владимир Георгиев]

I have been using a Galaxy Note 8 (with Topodroid and Distox) for over an
year and a half and I am very happy with it. The screen is large enough for
detailed and comfortable drawing and the digitiser is precise.

It is not waterproof or rugged, but I have solved this with a simple
waterproof plastic pouch for tablets and a custom made hard carrying case.
The pen itself is not waterproof, but with care it lasts long enough and
replacements are very cheap on eBay.

I can post pictures of the setup in a couple of weeks when I  get back from
caving. I think I have already posted them some time ago.

Vladimir

On 28 Aug 2016 17:25, "David Cooke"  wrote:

> But surely the direction of travel is towards Android devices.
>
> PDAs are no longer produced and the supply of second hand PDAs must dry up
> at some point.
>
> There are already many Android devices that can do the job, just at a
> price most aren't willing to pay. But as time goes by they will appear
> cheaper on ebay.
>
> I notice the Galaxy Note GT-N7000 can be had for less than £100 on ebay.
> It has a proper digitiser.
>
> Cookie
>
>
> In message <01d20119$92b150f0$b813f2d0$@coly.org.uk> on Sun, 28 Aug
> 2016 12:47:28, Graham Mullan  writes
>
>> The question is, Bjørn, have you found a decent Android tablet that has a
>> good screen for drawing on using a stencil and is also 'caveproof'?
>> Without
>> this, we cannot really move on from PDAs.
>>
>
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>>
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[Therion] Updated KML exports and other changes

[Владимир Георгиев]

Hi

Lately I updated the KML map and model exports to include more information
like the cave depth and length, map-comment, entrances and better titles.
They also include the map or survey structure so you can turn parts of the
map/model on or off in Google Earth.
I spoke with Bruce Mutton about these and he gave me some nice ideas and
also tested the exports.

There is a list of these and other Therion and XTherion changes here
https://github.com/vldgeorgiev/therion/wiki/Changelog
I wrote them down to keep the list more clear.

Again if someone wants to test the changes I would be thankful for
comments. The compiled Windows apps can be downloaded here
https://github.com/vldgeorgiev/therion/wiki

And the code is also published in the forked repo if someone want to
recompile it.
https://github.com/vldgeorgiev/therion

Vlad
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On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Bruce  wrote:

> Possibly option to include ‘map-comment’ for export plan –o 
> “cave.kml”
>
​That might be nice, yes. I will see if I can do it. I still have problems
finding where a particular piece of data is stored in Therions data
structures​. But for the plan kml it should be possible.

> > The next feature I was considering is the option to add images inside
> of scraps(with "point image [file name]..."), and not only in the layout
> with map-image. I need to research some more about inserting images in TEX
> and Metapost and how to position them.
>
> A similar idea, perhaps, was discussed some years ago.
>
> Refer to the first few returns of this search
>
> http://search.gmane.org/?query=link=gmane.comp.gis.therion
>
> My preferred implementation would be to have a ‘link’ property for most
> point entities as described in here.
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.therion/3029/match=link
>
> There could be another property that results in the destination file (if
> image or plain text) ‘printing’ in the resulting cave pdf output (which is
> more like what you describe).
>
​That is an interesting idea too. I will read the old discussions.
Placing the link properties and parsing them is not a problem. The thing is
how to display them best in the outputs and how to easily control them.

Vladimir​
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Thanks Martin, that's great. Let me know when Budaj moves the source from
"test" to the "therion" repo so I can push my recent changes.

Can you ask him how he would like to share the repo in case me or someone
else wants to
​make changes?
If I make a fork of the repo the changes will have to be approved and
merged by him periodically, which is the better way if he has the time :)
Or if he gives me access I can work directly with the repo.

If it is not too much trouble, can you ask Budaj what was used for building
the Windows installer and where is the source? The people here that use
Therion (not that many unfortunately) work on Windows.

Vladimir




On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Martin Sluka  wrote:

> There is a repository of therion on github:
> https://github.com/therion/test
>
> I spoke today with Martin Budaj and coerced him to change the status of
> this repository from test to regular.
>
> m.s.
>
> 12. 5. 2016 v 22:31, Владимир Георгиев  gmail.com>:
>
> Bruce
>
> I like the app and would like to make it better as far as I can. So far I
> am doing small patches here and there in features that I needed for my own
> usage, nothing systematic. The source code is quite large and the features
> are a lot, so the todo list will be endless :)
> If you have suggestion about the html, kml or other outputs, let me know
> and I'll see what I can do. For the kml I was wondering what else to put in
> the description field besides the length and depth.
>
> The next feature I was considering is the option to add images inside of
> scraps(with "point image [file name]..."), and not only in the layout with
> map-image. I need to research some more about inserting images in TEX and
> Metapost and how to position them.
>
> As for the Windows installer, I could build it, but I don't have the
> source for the install script. I can recreate it if needed and if there is
> interest...
> If you are willing to take the risk, I can send you the compiled
> therion.exe :)
>
> Vladimir
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Bruce Mutton  wrote:
>
>> Fantastic Vladimir
>> I have been wishing for 'proper' kml titles for many years. If you are
>> still enthusiastic then there are other outputs that need titles, html
>> lists for one.
>> Looking forward to when your recent patches are incorporated into the
>> mainstream windows install files.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung device, hence the typo's
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Владимир Георгиев 
>> Date: 13/05/2016 04:14 (GMT+12:00)
>> To: TherionList 
>> Subject: [Therion] A couple of Therion updates: KML and line-rope
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Here are a couple of updates I did, which might be useful to someone.
>>
>> 1) KML model and map export. When exporting a KML it always got a title
>> of "Therion KML", which made it harder to navigate when several files are
>> opened in Google Earth.
>> I updated the title to contain the survey title in whatever language is
>> selected for the export.
>> The description contains the length and depth for the cave.
>>
>> 2) I wanted to use a rope line, but the existing symbol for it was hidden
>> and not completely finished. I used the existing metapost, which displays
>> the rope very nicely, with a couple of additions. You can control whether
>> the rebelay rope loops are shown with the option "-rebelays on/off" and the
>> anchor points with "-anchors on/off"
>> The line handrail looked very similar to rope, so I changed the little
>> dots to squares.
>>
>> Attached are the code patches and a couple of screenshots.
>> If someone recompiles and tests those I would be happy to hear the
>> comments :)
>>
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Bruce

I like the app and would like to make it better as far as I can. So far I
am doing small patches here and there in features that I needed for my own
usage, nothing systematic. The source code is quite large and the features
are a lot, so the todo list will be endless :)
If you have suggestion about the html, kml or other outputs, let me know
and I'll see what I can do. For the kml I was wondering what else to put in
the description field besides the length and depth.

The next feature I was considering is the option to add images inside of
scraps(with "point image [file name]..."), and not only in the layout with
map-image. I need to research some more about inserting images in TEX and
Metapost and how to position them.

As for the Windows installer, I could build it, but I don't have the source
for the install script. I can recreate it if needed and if there is
interest...
If you are willing to take the risk, I can send you the compiled
therion.exe :)

Vladimir

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Bruce Mutton  wrote:

> Fantastic Vladimir
> I have been wishing for 'proper' kml titles for many years. If you are
> still enthusiastic then there are other outputs that need titles, html
> lists for one.
> Looking forward to when your recent patches are incorporated into the
> mainstream windows install files.
>
> Bruce
>
> Sent from my Samsung device, hence the typo's
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Владимир Георгиев 
> Date: 13/05/2016 04:14 (GMT+12:00)
> To: TherionList 
> Subject: [Therion] A couple of Therion updates: KML and line-rope
>
> Hi
>
> Here are a couple of updates I did, which might be useful to someone.
>
> 1) KML model and map export. When exporting a KML it always got a title of
> "Therion KML", which made it harder to navigate when several files are
> opened in Google Earth.
> I updated the title to contain the survey title in whatever language is
> selected for the export.
> The description contains the length and depth for the cave.
>
> 2) I wanted to use a rope line, but the existing symbol for it was hidden
> and not completely finished. I used the existing metapost, which displays
> the rope very nicely, with a couple of additions. You can control whether
> the rebelay rope loops are shown with the option "-rebelays on/off" and the
> anchor points with "-anchors on/off"
> The line handrail looked very similar to rope, so I changed the little
> dots to squares.
>
> Attached are the code patches and a couple of screenshots.
> If someone recompiles and tests those I would be happy to hear the
> comments :)
>
> Vladimir
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[Therion] A couple of Therion updates: KML and line-rope

[Владимир Георгиев]

Hi

Here are a couple of updates I did, which might be useful to someone.

1) KML model and map export. When exporting a KML it always got a title of
"Therion KML", which made it harder to navigate when several files are
opened in Google Earth.
I updated the title to contain the survey title in whatever language is
selected for the export.
The description contains the length and depth for the cave.

2) I wanted to use a rope line, but the existing symbol for it was hidden
and not completely finished. I used the existing metapost, which displays
the rope very nicely, with a couple of additions. You can control whether
the rebelay rope loops are shown with the option "-rebelays on/off" and the
anchor points with "-anchors on/off"
The line handrail looked very similar to rope, so I changed the little dots
to squares.

Attached are the code patches and a couple of screenshots.
If someone recompiles and tests those I would be happy to hear the comments
:)

Vladimir
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[Therion] XTherion: Line simplification

[Владимир Георгиев]

In most cases it does, but if the points in a line are too many it still
leaves more points than I would like. And some remaining points are still
very close together because the line segment had some micro-curves that the
Bezier lines tries to preserve.
In other cases "Conver to curve" doesn't work and does nothing, but I
haven't checked the code to see why.

Sometimes I just need a simple "rougher" line without curves so I added
this option.

Vladimir

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Martin Sluka  wrote:

> And "Convert to curve" doesn’t works for you?
>
> m.s.
>
> 6. 4. 2016 v 13:45, Владимир Георгиев  gmail.com>:
>
> Hi guys
>
> There was one option I was missing in XTherion to reduce the number of
> points in a line.
> I work mostly with Topodroid and depending on the settings while drawing,
> in some cases I end up with lines with hundreds of points. This makes them
> harder to edit, enlarges the TH2 file and slows the compilation.
>
> I added a menu Edit line > Simplify line that reduces the points. There is
> also a setting in xtherion.ini called "xth(gui,me,line,simp_limit)" that
> controls how smooth/rough the line becomes. A value of 10 seemed to work
> well for me.
> One limitation is that Bezier lines become simple lines.
>
> I've attached a few screenshots, the patch file, and the xtherion.tcl file.
> Would be nice is someone can test how it works with their scraps.
>
> Vladimir
> 
> <0001-xtherion-Added-line-simplification-menu-in-Edit-line.patch><2016-04-06
> 14_31_40.png><2016-04-06 14_20_41.png><2016-04-06 14_21_13.png><2016-04-06
> 14_22_09.png><2016-04-06 14_23_15.png><2016-04-06 14_31_09.png>
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[Therion] XTherion: Line simplification

[Владимир Георгиев]

Hi guys

There was one option I was missing in XTherion to reduce the number of
points in a line.
I work mostly with Topodroid and depending on the settings while drawing,
in some cases I end up with lines with hundreds of points. This makes them
harder to edit, enlarges the TH2 file and slows the compilation.

I added a menu Edit line > Simplify line that reduces the points. There is
also a setting in xtherion.ini called "xth(gui,me,line,simp_limit)" that
controls how smooth/rough the line becomes. A value of 10 seemed to work
well for me.
One limitation is that Bezier lines become simple lines.

I've attached a few screenshots, the patch file, and the xtherion.tcl file.
Would be nice is someone can test how it works with their scraps.

Vladimir
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[Therion] Setting Scrap Colours

[Владимир Георгиев]

Olly

This is a very nice addition indeed.
I tested it and it works with single level maps, but it doesn't seem to
work with nested maps, or I missed something about the usage.

It works with several map definitions, not being merged in an overall map
like:

*  map M1 -colour [60 70 80]*

*  endmap*

*  map M2 -colour [60 70 80]*


*  endmap  ...*


*  export map  pdf*
However when I group M1 and M2 in a larger map(without specifying a colour)
it overrides the colours and they do not appear.

*  map MGlobal*

*M1*

*M2*

*  endmap*

To me it seems better that the lower level map colors are kept, unless the
global one explicitly specifies a colour.
I guess the example above was done with several map defs without grouping
them in a larger one.

​Also, when I have several map defs(without colours and without a global
map) and specify "colour map-fg map"​ the pieces get colored randomly.
Maybe this is the expected behavior, but to me it sounds more logical to
use the default map-fg colour until a map specifies one explicitly.
The moment I set a global map (without colour) the default map-fg steps in.

Am I asking too much :)

Vladimir


On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 5:37 AM, Olly Betts  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 09:44:37AM +0100, Olly Betts wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 09:23:39PM +1300, Bruce wrote:
> > > Colour by map works just fine, as does colour by scrap or altitude.
> > >
> > > In the context of your question I thought you were trying to SPECIFY
> > > which colour a particular scrap (or map or altitude) would be
> > > assigned.
> >
> > I was "commissioned" to implement the ability to specify the colour
> > used for each map - patch attached.
> >
> > With this (surprisingly small) change you can specify the colour for
> > each map, which then overrides the automatic choice when the layout
> > specifies "colour map-fg [map]".  Any maps without one get the same
> > automatic colour they would before.
> >
> > Usage example:
> >
> > map 2012.map -projection plan
> >   colour [0 70 0]
> >   # etc
> > endmap
>
> You can also specify the colour on the "map" line (which is probably
> clearer):
>
> map 2012.map -projection plan -colour [0 70 0]
>   # etc
> endmap
>
> Jenny Black produced an example showing what you can do with this patch:
>
> https://survex.com/~olly/107-plan-col-year.pdf
>
> Cheers,
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[Therion] XTherion modifications

[Владимир Георгиев]

Martin

Can you send me some file in which the background move fails so I can try
to duplicate the issue?
I tried with a few of mine, but it works with all of them, so it might be
due to some differences in the scraps.

Vladimir

On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Martin Sluka  wrote:

> MacOSX, Windows…
>
> There is a problem with this doubleclick. Time from time it works, but
> mostly not.
>
> m.
>
> 27. 3. 2016 v 19:47, Владимир Георгиев  gmail.com>:
>
> What did you test on?
>
>
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[Therion] XTherion modifications

[Владимир Георгиев]

If you mean my modifications about the coloring, I just tested it and the
double right click and it works for me. The background can be moved as
before.
At least on Windows. What did you test on?
I don't recall messing with the mouse code...

Vladimir

On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Martin Sluka  wrote:

> It looks there is a problem with this modification, because mouse right
> button double click - to move background picture - stopped to work.
>
> m.
>
>
> 23. 2. 2016 v 21:04, Владимир Георгиев  gmail.com>:
>
> There was a bug resulting from my changes. The new stations are
> triangular, while the other points oval, and changing the type of point
> resulted in improper drawing or a crash.
> Here is a crude fix for it.
>
> Vladimir
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Владимир Георгиев <
> vld.georgiev at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I didn't mean that Martin and Stacho have forgotten about Therion.
>> The mods were initially for my own usage, but since its an open source
>> project I thought the authors would not mind me sharing them.
>>
>> Wookey
>> "DOSify", got it :)
>> Now that you mentioned it, my git client replaces Unix with Win line
>> endings. This is reverted when the commit is pushed to the repo, but not
>> when I manually send the files by email :)
>> Will keep it in mind when I send files.
>>
>> Vladimir
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Martin Sluka 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> as I may say, Martin B. and Stacho are still alive, bus very busy. I
>>> spoke with Martin B. few minutes ago. Therion is not only on Stacho's
>>> computer, but on Martin B.'s too. So don't worry.
>>>
>>> They are testing Github repo too.
>>>
>>> Martin B. told me, that after they'll finish a project for their work
>>> they will prepare new release.
>>>
>>> So don't lose hope, please.
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> m.s.
>>>
>>>
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[Therion] Survex Terrain model problem

[Владимир Георгиев]

​​Thanks for the info. Seems that the data is not exported to the .3d​
format indeed. If I have the time I will try to find the place in the
Therion sources where that export happens.​

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Olly Betts  wrote:

> It should be fairly easy to update - just call img_open_write_cs()
> instead of img_open_write() and pass in the PROJ4 projection string for
> the output coordinate system as an extra parameter.
>

I didn't understand that part. What would be easy to update?
Those two functions are part of the Survex source (img.c) from what I see.

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[Therion] Survex Terrain model problem

[Владимир Георгиев]

Hmm, you seem to be talking about the original Survex data file. I see the
format is similar to the .th files, but I meant producing a 3D file
exported from Therion.

In the Therion data I have a CS command and a fixed station, but maybe this
is not exported to the 3D file for consuming by Survex. Most of the 3D file
looks binary and I can't find out whether it contains this info or not.

Vladimir

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Wookey  wrote:

> +++ Владимир Георгиев [2016-03-24 13:41 +0200]:
> > Hi
> >
> > I was experimenting with the .3d model exported from Therion to Survex.
> > The Survex viewer (Aven) has an option to display the terrain too. When
> I go to
> > View > Terrain I get an error "No coordinate system specified in survey
> data".
>
> A terrain model has co-ordinates in real-world space, so you cave
> needs to also be located in real-world space (not just arbitraty
> 0,0,0)
>
> > In the Therion data there is a coordinate system specified, fixed
> station as
> > well as terrain data and it is displayed in Lox.
> > Has anyone seen this error or had success in showing the terrain in
> Survex?
>
> You need to add a *CS command to your data (co-ordinate system) to say
> what system is in use, and add a fixed-point (e.g. for the entrance)
> to say where in that space the cave is.
>
> http://survex.com/docs/manual/datafile.htm (look for *CS)
>
>
> Wookey
> --
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[Владимир Георгиев]

Hi

I was experimenting with the .3d model exported from Therion to Survex.
The Survex viewer (Aven) has an option to display the terrain too. When I
go to View > Terrain I get an error "No coordinate system specified in
survey data".

In the Therion data there is a coordinate system specified, fixed station
as well as terrain data and it is displayed in Lox.
Has anyone seen this error or had success in showing the terrain in Survex?

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[Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 123, Issue 5

[Владимир Георгиев]

You can use double quotes like this [text "quoted text"]

Vladimir
On Mar 16, 2016 2:59 PM, "Footleg"  wrote:

> Thanks Dave,
>
> I didn't know that. A little more experimentation and I have noticed that
> the position of the / determines where the name appears in the sorted names
> lists. So
>   team "Tim 'The Beast'/Bloggs" dog
> makes Tim appear in alphabetical order sorted using 'Bloggs', whereas
>   team "Tim/'The Beast' Bloggs" dog
> put him at the start of the list as the ' character is sorted ahead of A.
>
> I've put this into the Tutorial. Does anyone know how to include
> double-quotes in a name? I can't seem to escape the double-quote character.
>
> Footleg
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 12:34 AM Dave Clucas 
> wrote:
>
>> Note that the team members names are only allowed to contain one space
>> character, so use hypens for double barreled names or your project will
>> generate an error when you try to compile it.
>>
>> You can also use the escape character "/" to allow as may spaces as you
>> want e.g. team "Giles /St. John Cuthbert Junior"
>>
>> Dave Clucas
>> daveclucas.com
>> sarawak-caves.com
>> dave.clucas at icloud.com 
>>
>> *Exploring the World* - One cave at a time
>>
>>
>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 04:32, therion-request at speleo.sk wrote:
>>
>> Send Therion mailing list submissions to
>> therion at speleo.sk
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> therion-request at speleo.sk
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> therion-owner at speleo.sk
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Therion digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. Therion Tutorial Update - Data Structures and Layouts (Footleg)
>>   2.  Re:  Therion Tutorial Update - Data Structures and Layouts
>>  (Martin Sluka)
>>   3. Re: Therion Tutorial Update - Data Structures and Layouts
>>  (Footleg)
>>   4. Re: Therion Tutorial Update - Data Structures and Layouts
>>  (Martin Sluka)
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:45:46 +
>> From: Footleg 
>> Subject: [Therion] Therion Tutorial Update - Data Structures and
>> Layouts
>> To: List for Therion users 
>> Message-ID:
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hot off the press, I have published another update to my Therion Tutorial.
>> Since the last revision in November 2015 I have simplified the
>> recommendations on larger project data structures (I realised my own
>> projects were not following my advice I had written!), and added a new
>> lesson on defining layouts.
>>
>> As always, feedback and comments are welcomed. But don't be disheartened
>> if
>> I have not yet incorporated suggestions made already into this latest
>> revision. I just wanted to get this initial layouts chapter out there as
>> several people asked for it. I'll take the time to read all the feedback
>> I've received already and merge it into the tutorial in time.
>>
>> Download here (or follow the link from the Therion Wiki page):
>> *http://wscc.darkgem.com/footleg/therion/
>> *
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 15:34:01 + (GMT)
>> From: Martin Sluka 
>> Subject: [Therion]  Re:  Therion Tutorial Update - Data Structures and
>> Layouts
>> To: Footleg 
>> Cc: therion at speleo.sk
>> Message-ID: <202dcf19-8fcc-4845-a465-f7a7f0a795cc at me.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>>
>> Hi Footleg,
>>
>> you don't show using right click with mouse when drawing scraps. It is
>> much faster way.
>>
>> Drawing line - one may not draw beziers directly. It is possible to draw
>> only points which are not "smooth" and then use "Convert to curve" feature
>> from "Edit line" menu. There are only small correction necessary.
>>
>> The problem with transparency is that all viewers using Apple library and
>> several others (Sumatra) ignore group transparency which is in definition
>> of PDF. So it is bug. (According to?Martin Budaj).
>>
>> m.s.
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 03:46 PM, Footleg  wrote:
>>
>> Hot off the press, I have published another update to my Therion
>> Tutorial. Since the last revision in November 2015 I have simplified the
>> recommendations on larger project data structures (I realised my own
>> projects were not following my advice I had written!), and added a new
>> lesson on defining layouts.
>>
>> As always, feedback and comments are welcomed. But don't be disheartened
>> if I have 

[Therion] XTherion modifications

[Владимир Георгиев]

There was a bug resulting from my changes. The new stations are triangular,
while the other points oval, and changing the type of point resulted in
improper drawing or a crash.
Here is a crude fix for it.

Vladimir

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Владимир Георгиев 

wrote:

> Well, I didn't mean that Martin and Stacho have forgotten about Therion.
> The mods were initially for my own usage, but since its an open source
> project I thought the authors would not mind me sharing them.
>
> Wookey
> "DOSify", got it :)
> Now that you mentioned it, my git client replaces Unix with Win line
> endings. This is reverted when the commit is pushed to the repo, but not
> when I manually send the files by email :)
> Will keep it in mind when I send files.
>
> Vladimir
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Martin Sluka  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> as I may say, Martin B. and Stacho are still alive, bus very busy. I
>> spoke with Martin B. few minutes ago. Therion is not only on Stacho's
>> computer, but on Martin B.'s too. So don't worry.
>>
>> They are testing Github repo too.
>>
>> Martin B. told me, that after they'll finish a project for their work
>> they will prepare new release.
>>
>> So don't lose hope, please.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> m.s.
>>
>>
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[Therion] What means that or where is the fault?

[Владимир Георгиев]

Do areas work when you restore the original TCL file?
I just tested the areas here, but they worked as usual. I haven't changed
anything about them, although it is possible that there is some side effect.

Vladimir

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Markus Boldt  wrote:

> After compiling I get the error “warning -- can't open cavern log file for
> input”. Therion works well, but there is this error.
>
> What is wrong?
>
> And after doing the “Vladimir-Chances” into the INI and TCL file the
> Colors are working. But drawing an area is not further working? I can not
> define the points for the area.
>
> What is here wrong?
>
> Thanks for getting help.
>
> Markus
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[Therion] XTherion modifications

[Владимир Георгиев]

Well, I didn't mean that Martin and Stacho have forgotten about Therion.
The mods were initially for my own usage, but since its an open source
project I thought the authors would not mind me sharing them.

Wookey
"DOSify", got it :)
Now that you mentioned it, my git client replaces Unix with Win line
endings. This is reverted when the commit is pushed to the repo, but not
when I manually send the files by email :)
Will keep it in mind when I send files.

Vladimir

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Martin Sluka  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> as I may say, Martin B. and Stacho are still alive, bus very busy. I spoke
> with Martin B. few minutes ago. Therion is not only on Stacho's computer,
> but on Martin B.'s too. So don't worry.
>
> They are testing Github repo too.
>
> Martin B. told me, that after they'll finish a project for their work they
> will prepare new release.
>
> So don't lose hope, please.
>
> :)
>
> m.s.
>
>
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[Владимир Георгиев]

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Wookey  wrote:

> In practice the rest of the world uses this list and the distro
> packaging and every so often those patches get pulled back into the
> master repo.
>

​Well, in general I think a VCS would be nice, but it's up to you or the
authors or whoever else maintains the code. There are many public free
services like github, etc. I currently placed it in a private git on
Assembla. Can make a public one too.


OK. You changed what I think is the default line size too
> set xth(gui,me,line,cpsize) 3
> is that an important part of this change or just something you prefer?
>
​Not very important. I changed the line point, and Bezier​

​line control point sizes. Actually they were already available in the Ini
file before my changes, but I haven't noticed them.
I'll see if there is a wiki about the xtherion.ini​ settings. If not I will
see if I can make one about some of them.


> So I merged your code into the debian package. You had managed to
> 'dosify' me_cmds2.tcl which made a massive patch, but I've fixed that
> (and quite a lot of trailing whitespace).
> Patch attached to save anyone else the work.
> I'm building the package now and will upload soon if everything works.
>

​Don't know that you mean by "dosify" :)
Indeed there was some whitespace in most of the files. I didn't remove it
exactly to avoid making a large patch/commit.

About building the packages, I actually tried building xtherion only, not
the whole Therion. But I suppose that xtherion should not affect the rest
of the build process.

Vladimir
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[Therion] XTherion modifications

[Владимир Георгиев]

Yes, the colors could use some tweaking depending on how people use the map
editor. And likely on their monitor.
I work mostly with Topodroid, which exports a Therion drawing directly and
I don't have an image at the background. But still some editing is needed
usually with Therion.

Adding the orientation should not be a problem. It can probably either show
the arrows all the time without needing to select the points, or show
something smaller. I'll check it in a few days.

Vladimir


On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Footleg  wrote:

> I've taken a quick look, and this is really (REALLY!) useful. Just messed
> with the colours, not the other enhancements. I already changed the colour
> of rock lines from snow4 to yellow by editing (and uncommenting) that line
> in the ini file. I could not tell my rock lines from my survey lines
> rendered in the background sketch imported from PocketTopo. Some of the
> other colours are maybe a little too dark so I will experiment more to
> brighten them up and see what I think works best as I am sketching.
>
> The triangles for station points have another advantage over just changing
> their colour. I can now see the black circles for the stations positions in
> the background sketch imported from PocketTopo. Previously the blue circles
> of the stations points completely hid the black circles they were placed on
> top of.
>
> If you could add something to the points which have an orientation set to
> show the orientation (without having to select them as currently) that
> would be another step forwards.
>
> Great stuff, thank you!
>
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[Therion] XTherion modifications

[Владимир Георгиев]

Hi all

There are some modifications that I made to the XTherion and would be
interested if someone can test them and share their opinion. They were
quickly patched up and I am no TCL developer so there might be a bug or two.

Initially I needed to have an XTherion shortcut to delete a line point so I
started looking through the source. I added Ctrl+Shift+D for deleting a
line point, Ctrl+Up/Down for zooming in and out in the map editor.

The all blue items in the map editor were harder to use so I tried to
colorize them. E.g. walls to be "brick red", pits are magenta, rock borders
dark gray, slope is yellow, etc. The non-selected scrap is light gray.
The station point I made orange and a triangle instead of a circle so it is
more visible.
I will probably add other colors after I work with the editor more.

I have attached a couple of screenshots of how it looks, the xtherion
source and the "compiled" xtherion tcl app.

Btw, where does the source live, besides the zip archive on the site? Is
there a source control repo somewhere that people can contribute to?
For experimenting with the colors I used a private git repo. I admit I
haven't checked the licensing for the code.

Here are the colors that I changed and added them to the INI file.
#set xth(gui,me,activefill) red
#set xth(gui,me,pasivefill) green
#set xth(gui,me,controlfill) blue
#set xth(gui,me,highlightfill) cyan
#set xth(gui,me,unselectedfill) lightgray
#set xth(gui,me,wallcolor) brown
#set xth(gui,me,pitcolor) magenta
#set xth(gui,me,slopecolor) gold
#set xth(gui,me,rockcolor) snow4
#set xth(gui,me,bordercolor) turquoise
#set xth(gui,me,stationcolor) darkorange


Best
Vladimir
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[Therion] Shortcut to delete a line point

[Владимир Георгиев]

Sorry guys, the mail below was addressed to Marco about the Topodroid app,
but I sent it to the mailing list by accident :)


On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Владимир Георгиев 

wrote:

> A couple of questions:
>
> The Cave3D has an export function in ASCII and binary. What format does it
> actually export for both options? Is it for internal use or it can be
> reused from other apps?
>
> I have two working folders from two different caves, one is in the default
> TopoDroid folder, the other is with a different name. I can't change
> between them now, but it used to work some time ago. Now only the default
> one is shown.
> There is no OK button, so I'm not sure it is accepting the new folder name
> when I tap on it.
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Владимир Георгиев 
>  > wrote:
>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Marco Corvi 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > How hard would it be to add one?
>>>
>>> not very hard.
>>> the most difficult thing is to come up with a nice way to interact with
>>> the user, while keeping the interface simple.
>>> any idea?
>>>
>> ​Something like a shortcut Ctrl-Shift-D, which when pressed will delete
>> the currently selected point in a line. Then the next one gets selected, as
>> it currently is.
>> You will still have to click on a point initially to select it. When I
>> had to remove a lot of points for each one I had to right-click and select
>> the submenu item. It would be faster to click a point with the mouse with
>> one hand and press a keyboard shortcut to delete it :)
>> Not much of an issue if you do it a couple of times, only matters if you
>> have to repeat it more.
>>
>>> > Does anyone know what part of the source handles the shortcuts for
>>> XTherion?
>>>
>>> not sure what you mean.
>>> can you explain more ?
>>>
>> ​I meant that I could add it to the xtherion app and recompile it, but I
>> don't know what and where should be changed and how easy it would be.​
>>
>>
>>
>
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[Therion] Shortcut to delete a line point

[Владимир Георгиев]

A couple of questions:

The Cave3D has an export function in ASCII and binary. What format does it
actually export for both options? Is it for internal use or it can be
reused from other apps?

I have two working folders from two different caves, one is in the default
TopoDroid folder, the other is with a different name. I can't change
between them now, but it used to work some time ago. Now only the default
one is shown.
There is no OK button, so I'm not sure it is accepting the new folder name
when I tap on it.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Владимир Георгиев 

wrote:

>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Marco Corvi 
> wrote:
>
>> > How hard would it be to add one?
>>
>> not very hard.
>> the most difficult thing is to come up with a nice way to interact with
>> the user, while keeping the interface simple.
>> any idea?
>>
> ​Something like a shortcut Ctrl-Shift-D, which when pressed will delete
> the currently selected point in a line. Then the next one gets selected, as
> it currently is.
> You will still have to click on a point initially to select it. When I had
> to remove a lot of points for each one I had to right-click and select the
> submenu item. It would be faster to click a point with the mouse with one
> hand and press a keyboard shortcut to delete it :)
> Not much of an issue if you do it a couple of times, only matters if you
> have to repeat it more.
>
>> > Does anyone know what part of the source handles the shortcuts for
>> XTherion?
>>
>> not sure what you mean.
>> can you explain more ?
>>
> ​I meant that I could add it to the xtherion app and recompile it, but I
> don't know what and where should be changed and how easy it would be.​
>
>
>
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[Therion] Loch settings and language

[Владимир Георгиев]

Hi

Is there any way to make Loch remember the settings for what to show in the
scene, walls, type of station names, comments, etc?
​Or does Loch always use some hardcoded values?​

Also, is it possible to the UI language of Loch?
It uses Bulgarian, which is the default for my Win, but I would rather
switch to English from time to time.

Thanks
Vladimir
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[Therion] Rope line

[Владимир Георгиев]

Well, since line "rope" doesn't seem to work, I ended up using the user
rope line from the sample metapost code
http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/metapost#colour_dependant_visualization_of_symbols
It is Christian Jackson's code with slight modification of the pattern.

  code metapost
def l_u_rope (expr P) =
  T:=identity;
  pickup pensquare scaled (0.8*u/10);
  if known colour_rope:
thdraw P withcolor colour_rope;
  else:
thdraw P withcolor 0.1black+0.7white;
  fi;
  pickup PenD;
  thdraw P dashed dashpattern(on 1bp off 3bp on 1bp off 1bp);
enddef;
  endcode

Vladimir

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Владимир Георгиев 

wrote:

> Hi
>
> I was trying to add a line:rope to a map, but without any success.
> In the data.mp file I see there is a definition of the "l_rope" line,
> which is equal to the "l_rope_SKBB", but the rope line I drew didn't appear
> with either the UIS or the SKBB symbol-set.
>
> I also tried including some metapost code in the layout to define the
> line, but again without result. The metapost worked for other line types
> like ropeladder, but not for rope.
>
> A workaround is to define a custom symbol "u:rope", but I wonder why the
> built-in one doesn't work.
> Any ideas?
>
> Vladimir
>
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[Владимир Георгиев]

Hi

I was trying to add a line:rope to a map, but without any success.
In the data.mp file I see there is a definition of the "l_rope" line, which
is equal to the "l_rope_SKBB", but the rope line I drew didn't appear with
either the UIS or the SKBB symbol-set.

I also tried including some metapost code in the layout to define the line,
but again without result. The metapost worked for other line types like
ropeladder, but not for rope.

A workaround is to define a custom symbol "u:rope", but I wonder why the
built-in one doesn't work.
Any ideas?

Vladimir
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