date:20210530

On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 1:35 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> The quick and easy way is to add a field "hide-body" with a value of "yes"
> to your data tiddlers. This will hide the default display of the tiddler
> text. Then have a custom view template based on a tag or field that
> displays things how you want.
>


What a useful point! added to TW-Scripts!
I had got used to tag tiddler and then hide the body using conditional css!
;-)



>
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:50:21 PM UTC+2 Ed Heil wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I'm using TW to make a character sheet for a role-playing game.  Right
>> now a tiddler for a character is associated with a data tiddler.  The
>> character tiddler has a view template which displays all the stuff in the
>> data tiddler in a readable & usable manner.
>>
>> I'm thinking it would be nice to have the character sheet *actually be*
>> the data tiddler.
>>
>> If I do this, I'm going to want to modify the display of this tiddler, so
>> that when you look at it,  you can't see the underlying data, you can just
>> see the template with the UI for displaying it and interacting with it.
>>
>> I've added view templates to classes of tiddlers before, e.g. by adding a
>> new tiddler with the special view template tag so it shows up for tiddlers
>> with a certain tag.  But I've never tried to *replace* the default display.
>>
>> I'm wondering if I need to look at replacing (shadowing) a system tiddler
>> or what.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Matter: The simplest Personal Todo list I have ever seen

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 9:56 PM scot  wrote:

> Hi Mohammad,
> Very nice.
> Can this be downloaded or do you have to go to the github page each time
> you want to use it?
>

Well I have saved like an ordinary web page and it works for me! of course
you edit the .html file to see if there is anything going online (like
analytics, just delete that line)



> How do you delete the browser data?
>
It uses a browser local storage! You can simply delete it. For example see
https://averoinc.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360036946574-How-do-I-clear-local-Storage-



> Where did you find out about this tool?
>
Well I found it on GitHub through people I follow!

> Scot
>





>
> On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 16:55:21 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>
>> Yes, nice - but it appears you can't retrieve a line if you accidentally
>> hit the 'cross' button.
>>
>> Regards
>> Jon
>> On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 12:19:14 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> This is *Matter*
>>>
>>> https://hihayk.github.io/matter/
>>>
>>> I thought of implementing it in Tiddlywiki! but I see it is simpler!
>>> It uses browser local storage! you can save it to use it offline!
>>>
>>>
>>> It is very small!
>>>
>>> The designer is a genius!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
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Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

@Tones
There is some ongoing work on this! see
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/IczqdIdC3lE/m/TZcAAxcUAQAJ
I am also very excited to have an effective working TW using FS API!
Consider TW can be used everywhere without
needing to tell users how to save! just like an ordinary web page!

I think this FS API is a great opportunity needs special attention from TW
developers.



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 4:06 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the following
> that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.
>
> *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
> * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/
>
> Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to help
> some tiddlywiki users.
>
> I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow editing
> tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. It also
> points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file dialogue
> which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted to a local
> app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.
>
> I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders and
> there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as dropping
> urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer. Similarly
> copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting into the file
> dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and make use of it.
>
> Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have
> sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the first
> use and saving of tiddlywiki's.
>
> I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev
> team if not help code a solution.
>
> Regards
> Tones
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Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

@Finn
Your proposal is very interesting! I may suggest to write at
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions
where you will get more reactions from developers! I also love your idea on
creating TW as a local app!



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 4:14 AM Finn Lancaster  wrote:

> Tones:
> It sounds like you are describing the NodeJS FS module, which I will agree
> is extremely powerful. I made something similar at my GitHub repo at
> https://github.com/flancast90/finniky-on-node. I would love for TW to use
> this! The entire project I made was a proof-of-concept for the features I
> wanted on TW!
> Feel free to look at my code (server.js will be the nodeJS code you are
> looking for).
> TW will need at lot of rewriting for this, obviously. Off the bat, I can
> see that it would need some sort of http request functionality, or even
> implement socket.io.
> I would love to be on a team to work to implement this in TW: I’m
> currently getting ready to apply for college, and as such trying to build
> my GitHub.
>
> Tell me your thought about this! Again, I would love to work on adding
> this, preferably with a team.
>
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:36 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the following
>> that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.
>>
>> *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
>> * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/
>>
>> Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to
>> help some tiddlywiki users.
>>
>> I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow editing
>> tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. It also
>> points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file dialogue
>> which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted to a local
>> app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.
>>
>> I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders
>> and there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as
>> dropping urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer.
>> Similarly copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting
>> into the file dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and
>> make use of it.
>>
>> Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have
>> sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the first
>> use and saving of tiddlywiki's.
>>
>> I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev
>> team if not help code a solution.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
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Re: [tw5] Your main Tags - Your main Tabs

*This is a difficult question*! I think effective use of Tiddlywiki needs
education!
I mean you should learn them and it is knowledge! To be clear, assume you
have bought CorelDraw or Photoshop, and because you have it, you think you
should be able to draw incredible drawing/painting! THAT IS NOT TRUE AT
ALL! You not only have to have an artistic taste but you also need to know
the principles and basics of painting and in addition you have to know how
to work well with software!

After having good knowledge of Tiddlywiki, it does not mean you are good at
knowledge management!
So, I believe how to manage personal knowledge, how to effectively take
notes, how to write a good article, ... are other things you need to learn!

I share some my own experiences

1. I use Tiddlywiki just like a Word document, but TW is much more flexible
2. I use a central wiki, when I open it in my browser, I see a list of
wikis in the sidebar, so for example, a talk will be held next week at
department on, climate change and hydrogen solution, I just have a
dedicated wiki!
3. I use a few tags!
3.1  I may add/remove/modify tags later! I use Tiddler Commander to do this
without hassles
3.2 I normally refine tags, I use a dataTiddler explaining a tag will be
used for what! So tagging is done with care
3.3 I use Keywords field, The Kookma Solution Plugin lets you a sublevel of
information
3.4 I use colors! Color if correctly used is a very powerful tool for
differentiating among things
4. I use a table of content, it is always there, it helps me to have a
linear TW when I need
5. I use the Kookma Favorites plugin to pin important, favorite tiddlers
for quick access
5.1. I use the Kookma Favorites plugin also to freely categorize/bundle
some tiddlers and see them as a folder
6. The sidebar is very useful, I use a template that lets me quickly add
tiddlers to those sidebar tabs!
6.1 As an example for " climate change and hydrogen solution" talk wiki I
use (-global warming, -future energy outlook, -hydrogen as a solution,
-challenge and opportunities,...), so when preparing the talk, I quickly
click on a button which creates a tiddler in that section! All of these are
simple and created already
6.2. Mario Link-to-Tabs (from Wikilabs) is a king here and simply lets you
open the tab tiddler and modify it or duplicate and add a new tag
7. I believe search is a barrier in Tiddlywiki! So, I use fields carefully!
I rarely hide things in the tiddler, fields are used for further processing
and filtering, and like that, I never store data that needs to be searched
in fields!
7.1. Based on the case I also use Locater from bimlas or Filedsearch from
Mario (Wikilabs)


bimlas has some good discussion on using meta data and effective use of
Tiddlywiki! Soren Grok Tiddlywiki is a good example of effective use of
Tiddlywiki, there are other examples around! TW-Script is not a bad example
but it is too wild!



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 3:27 PM Atronoush Parsi  wrote:

> Recently there were some interesting discussions on better utilizing
> Tiddlywiki for Personal Knowledge Management (PKM)
>
> Tiddlywiki is an amazing tool, but one quickly lost in the jungle of
> tiddlers, tags, tabs, etc...
> You can easily add tags, tabs, tiddlers, ... Tiddlywiki tends very much to
> increase its entropy!
>
> Example:
> I do not know if I should tag *link* anything I find from the internet
> and add to my wiki, or tag it as a *reference*?
> Should I add a sidebar Tab as soon as I have several tiddlers on the same
> topic or not?
>
> Soren in his Zettelkasten shows some workflow for this! I wish to know how
> I can effectively use Tiddlywiki as PKM?
>
> - Do you recommend some main tags?
> - Do you recommend limiting the number of tags? Or the number of tags in
> your wiki are more than the number of tiddlers?
> - Do you recommend categorization?
> - Do you recommend unlimited use of sidebar tabs or limited?
>
> In overall how to have a useful PKM using Tiddlywiki? I am talking general
>
> Question: Does using TW as PKM needs some design practice?
>
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[tw5] Re: Can <$macrocall/> be used without parameter names? only parameter position?

Mohammad,

The strait answer is I believe NO, but,

You may be able to create an additional macro, that uses the macrocall 
widget to convert the position to a named parameter. However this likely 
reintroduces the same problem, being able to provide parameters values from 
difference sources such as variables and transclusions etc...

I think what you ask for would be a nice addition to the macrocall widget. 
Even if a new variable containing all prams needed to be processed within 
the macro. ie each named parameter is passed and a separate string 
containing all parameters delimited in some way, perhaps as [[titles]]. 
Such a mechanism would also help concatenation methods and more. For 
example providing a macro a set of keyword=value or keyword:value pairs 
which the macro can parse.

I will continue to think about this
Tones

On Monday, 31 May 2021 at 11:35:57 UTC+10 Mohamed Amin wrote:

> Hi,
>
> if I've the following macro:
> \define myMacro(par1:"A" par2:"B" par3:"C")
> $par1$-$par2$-$par3$
> \end
> I can call it using the short syntax <> to get the output = 
> XY-B-C without specify the parameter names (only the position).
>
> But if I use <$macrocall> widget with the same way <$macrocall 
> $name="myMacro" XY /> it seems not working. any idea how to make this 
> work?
>
> My use case,
> I've some macro names as "variables", they are not identical but are the 
> same category (so their parameter names are different).
> My option now is to re-name all parameters to be the same, but I want to 
> check first if there is way .
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>

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[tw5] Can <$macrocall/> be used without parameter names? only parameter position?

2021-05-30 Thread Mohamed Amin

Hi,

if I've the following macro:
\define myMacro(par1:"A" par2:"B" par3:"C")
$par1$-$par2$-$par3$
\end
I can call it using the short syntax <> to get the output = 
XY-B-C without specify the parameter names (only the position).

But if I use <$macrocall> widget with the same way <$macrocall 
$name="myMacro" XY /> it seems not working. any idea how to make this work?

My use case,
I've some macro names as "variables", they are not identical but are the 
same category (so their parameter names are different).
My option now is to re-name all parameters to be the same, but I want to 
check first if there is way .


Thanks in advance

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Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

Flanc,

Yes, I highlighted the text in your post to read it.

A new thread would be good, but please also keep in mind the single file 
version is importiant, please consider where your solutions work in both.

Thanks
Tones

On Monday, 31 May 2021 at 10:29:23 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t know about y’all, but my last message seems to render a bit 
> strangely. It seems as if gmail changed the text to the same color as the 
> background, so it isn’t appearing (on my end at least). sorry about that.
>
> For anyone interested, I’ll start a new thread about making a TW on node 
> using the FS module. 
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:18 PM Finn Lancaster  wrote:
>
>> Whoops... went out a bit on a tangent there, didn’t I. I was more 
>> addressing the “method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file 
>> dialogue which allows you create a folder etc.” 
>>
>> which is something the FS module could do. 
>>
>> In addition to this, along the lines of “ a model for enabling 
>> tiddlywiki as a local app “, I’d take a look at electron 
>> https://www.electronjs.org, which could convert a node TW to a local 
>> app. 
>>
>> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:03 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>>
>>> Flanc...
>>>
>>> Actually I was not thinking about the " NodeJS FS module" at all. 
>>> However what you point to sounds interesting is is unfortunately at present 
>>> a little "out of my depth". As this is a more general discussion of 
>>> features and possibilities could you please discuss it in more accessible 
>>> plain English and the features etc... you think this alternate model could 
>>> achieve. 
>>>
>>> Using what I referred to as being an avenue to edit tid files, is 
>>> actually a side issue. However you can locate a .tid file and edit save out 
>>> of the box (inside the browser).
>>>
>>> So far this demo works in the chrome browser, in FireFox you can not 
>>> save, but need to save as.
>>>
>>> My thinking would be using such a tool built into tiddlywiki, or making 
>>> use of the same technology/methods (including single file wikis in the 
>>> browser) to;
>>>
>>>- Edit local files
>>>- Edit tid files
>>>- Save tiddlers to text files
>>>- Serve as a model for enabling tiddlywiki as a local app
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 31 May 2021 at 09:44:25 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Tones: 
 It sounds like you are describing the NodeJS FS module, which I will 
 agree is extremely powerful. I made something similar at my GitHub repo at 
 https://github.com/flancast90/finniky-on-node. I would love for TW to 
 use this! The entire project I made was a proof-of-concept for the 
 features 
 I wanted on TW! 
 Feel free to look at my code (server.js will be the nodeJS code you are 
 looking for). 
 TW will need at lot of rewriting for this, obviously. Off the bat, I 
 can see that it would need some sort of http request functionality, or 
 even 
 implement socket.io. 
 I would love to be on a team to work to implement this in TW: I’m 
 currently getting ready to apply for college, and as such trying to build 
 my GitHub. 

 Tell me your thought about this! Again, I would love to work on adding 
 this, preferably with a team. 


 On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:36 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the 
> following that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.
>
> *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
> * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/
>
> Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to 
> help some tiddlywiki users.
>
> I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow 
> editing tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. 
> It 
> also points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file 
> dialogue which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted 
> to 
> a local app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.
>
> I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders 
> and there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as 
> dropping urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer. 
> Similarly copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting 
> into the file dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and 
> make use of it.
>
> Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have 
> sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the 
> first 
> use and saving of tiddlywiki's.
>
> I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev 
> team if not help code a solution.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
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[tw5] Re: Your main Tags - Your main Tabs

Atro
I think the answer to your question is like "how long is a piece of 
string", it depends. However the advice from others may prove useful, as 
they have already being on this journey.
I have being on this journey many times but here are a few high level 
points, much of which is ONLY possible in a tool like tiddlywiki And thus 
may be foreign to new users

   - You can take tiddlywiki in any direction you want, so it will not 
   dictate to you, the greater impact is what information from the real world 
   you want to bring into it, how is it organised.
   - Always endeavour to not loose any information during the capture into 
   tiddlywiki. For example when I paste good content from the Google Groups I 
   place a link to the discussion in a discussion field.
   - Tags are great, especially for rapid organisation and capture of data, 
   however I always move them into fields as soon as practical so I do not 
   "Overuse, or pollute the tag space".
   - TiddlyWIki permits an evolutionary process where by your wiki evolves 
   to suit your data and needs, do not compromise this but exploit it. You do 
   not need to fully define the end product from the beginning, just start. It 
   is easy in TiddlyWiki to build methods to bulk alter the way your content 
   is organised.

Eventually I expect to publish generic enhancements to tiddlywiki that 
makes use of its innate qualities. For example this set attached, reimagine 
tags, adds to the tag pill menu useful extensions. I hope this will allow 
more rapid transformation as your wiki evolves.

I think in time, we will have published easy adoption methods for keywords 
and categories etc... which are other logical organisational methods to 
help in the "ingestion" of information and knowledge and its organisation. 
An example is when data can only have one category, or another 
categorizations system allows zero or more categories.

I use an object-type field to categorise the type of a tiddler, this can 
have only one value by design.

Active designs that allow you to decide what is in the sidebar tabs is a 
way to manage the display of tabs. Large and many tabs may impact 
performance in the long run because every change to a tiddler they are 
refreshed. Consider closing the tab or whole sidebar when not needed in 
large wikis.

Regards
Tones


On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 23:11:20 UTC+10 jonligh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think your term 'entropy' is a good one here - do things spread out or 
> do they condense - for instance as more connections form do they simply 
> create more questions?
>
> I think what is best for you will depend a lot on your subject matter - by 
> way of example my Tiddlywiki is in an area where different people have 
> varied opinions on the same principle areas of interest - so the now I have 
> 176 tags but they get re-used a lot and I do not have to add new ones very 
> often but tiddlers sharing the same tags may represent different views and 
> opinions on those tagged subject areas. In contrast if my Tiddlywiki was in 
> the area of say Mathematics I would expect less diversity of opinion so 
> perhaps one or two tiddlers might suffice for one well defined tag subject 
> area. Putting this differently I think my tag count is low, tiddler count 
> is medium but 'use count' of tags ( how many times each tag gets used ) is 
> very high - so many connections - very much more a web or graph than a 
> tree. 
>
> I find a high number of links beneficial because it helps me find 
> connections I would not be able to find otherwise - but I think each link 
> has to have value, I spend time thinking through connections carefully, its 
> organic, I am constantly adding more connections, removing others and 
> finding better relationships - sometimes I create what I call a 'hub' 
> tiddler which has very little content apart from a single idea or hypthosis 
> and then as part of it's content I add links to tiddlers that only make 
> sense if that hypothesis is true so I might not want to link the tiddlers 
> directly in case the hypothesis is false.
>
> I think the only way to find what works best for you is to start the 
> process and exploit the amazing flexibility of Tiddlywiki to adapt to you, 
> your subject area and the evolution of your path through it, so far I have 
> not felt I had to fight with Tiddlywiki as my use of it evolved - it always 
> seemed to be able to adapt to my direction. I don't think my design is 
> constant, it is changing as I discover better ways of working and learn 
> more - the hours I spend on maintenance are never wasted because always it 
> reflects a new understanding and asks me to re-read and consider content 
> not just Tiddlywiki.
>
> I would recommend Bidirectional linking ( stroll or tiddlyblink ) unless 
> you know it will not be required - I added it to my Tiddlywiki after one 
> year - I just hadn't spent much time on the forum and did not know the 
> plugin existed, immediately th

Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

I don’t know about y’all, but my last message seems to render a bit
strangely. It seems as if gmail changed the text to the same color as the
background, so it isn’t appearing (on my end at least). sorry about that.

For anyone interested, I’ll start a new thread about making a TW on node
using the FS module.

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:18 PM Finn Lancaster  wrote:

> Whoops... went out a bit on a tangent there, didn’t I. I was more
> addressing the “method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file
> dialogue which allows you create a folder etc.”
>
> which is something the FS module could do.
>
> In addition to this, along the lines of “ a model for enabling tiddlywiki
> as a local app “, I’d take a look at electron
> https://www.electronjs.org, which could convert a node TW to a local app.
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:03 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> Flanc...
>>
>> Actually I was not thinking about the " NodeJS FS module" at all. However
>> what you point to sounds interesting is is unfortunately at present a
>> little "out of my depth". As this is a more general discussion of features
>> and possibilities could you please discuss it in more accessible plain
>> English and the features etc... you think this alternate model could
>> achieve.
>>
>> Using what I referred to as being an avenue to edit tid files, is
>> actually a side issue. However you can locate a .tid file and edit save out
>> of the box (inside the browser).
>>
>> So far this demo works in the chrome browser, in FireFox you can not
>> save, but need to save as.
>>
>> My thinking would be using such a tool built into tiddlywiki, or making
>> use of the same technology/methods (including single file wikis in the
>> browser) to;
>>
>>- Edit local files
>>- Edit tid files
>>- Save tiddlers to text files
>>- Serve as a model for enabling tiddlywiki as a local app
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 31 May 2021 at 09:44:25 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Tones:
>>> It sounds like you are describing the NodeJS FS module, which I will
>>> agree is extremely powerful. I made something similar at my GitHub repo at
>>> https://github.com/flancast90/finniky-on-node. I would love for TW to
>>> use this! The entire project I made was a proof-of-concept for the features
>>> I wanted on TW!
>>> Feel free to look at my code (server.js will be the nodeJS code you are
>>> looking for).
>>> TW will need at lot of rewriting for this, obviously. Off the bat, I can
>>> see that it would need some sort of http request functionality, or even
>>> implement socket.io.
>>> I would love to be on a team to work to implement this in TW: I’m
>>> currently getting ready to apply for college, and as such trying to build
>>> my GitHub.
>>>
>>> Tell me your thought about this! Again, I would love to work on adding
>>> this, preferably with a team.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:36 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>>>
 Folks,

 In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the
 following that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.

 *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
 * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/

 Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to
 help some tiddlywiki users.

 I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow editing
 tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. It also
 points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file dialogue
 which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted to a local
 app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.

 I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders
 and there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as
 dropping urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer.
 Similarly copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting
 into the file dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and
 make use of it.

 Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have
 sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the first
 use and saving of tiddlywiki's.

 I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev
 team if not help code a solution.

 Regards
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Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

Whoops... went out a bit on a tangent there, didn’t I. I was more
addressing the “method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file
dialogue which allows you create a folder etc.”

which is something the FS module could do.

In addition to this, along the lines of “ a model for enabling tiddlywiki
as a local app “, I’d take a look at electron
https://www.electronjs.org, which could convert a node TW to a local app.

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:03 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Flanc...
>
> Actually I was not thinking about the " NodeJS FS module" at all. However
> what you point to sounds interesting is is unfortunately at present a
> little "out of my depth". As this is a more general discussion of features
> and possibilities could you please discuss it in more accessible plain
> English and the features etc... you think this alternate model could
> achieve.
>
> Using what I referred to as being an avenue to edit tid files, is actually
> a side issue. However you can locate a .tid file and edit save out of the
> box (inside the browser).
>
> So far this demo works in the chrome browser, in FireFox you can not save,
> but need to save as.
>
> My thinking would be using such a tool built into tiddlywiki, or making
> use of the same technology/methods (including single file wikis in the
> browser) to;
>
>- Edit local files
>- Edit tid files
>- Save tiddlers to text files
>- Serve as a model for enabling tiddlywiki as a local app
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 31 May 2021 at 09:44:25 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Tones:
>> It sounds like you are describing the NodeJS FS module, which I will
>> agree is extremely powerful. I made something similar at my GitHub repo at
>> https://github.com/flancast90/finniky-on-node. I would love for TW to
>> use this! The entire project I made was a proof-of-concept for the features
>> I wanted on TW!
>> Feel free to look at my code (server.js will be the nodeJS code you are
>> looking for).
>> TW will need at lot of rewriting for this, obviously. Off the bat, I can
>> see that it would need some sort of http request functionality, or even
>> implement socket.io.
>> I would love to be on a team to work to implement this in TW: I’m
>> currently getting ready to apply for college, and as such trying to build
>> my GitHub.
>>
>> Tell me your thought about this! Again, I would love to work on adding
>> this, preferably with a team.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:36 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the following
>>> that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.
>>>
>>> *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
>>> * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/
>>>
>>> Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to
>>> help some tiddlywiki users.
>>>
>>> I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow editing
>>> tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. It also
>>> points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file dialogue
>>> which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted to a local
>>> app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders
>>> and there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as
>>> dropping urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer.
>>> Similarly copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting
>>> into the file dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and
>>> make use of it.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have
>>> sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the first
>>> use and saving of tiddlywiki's.
>>>
>>> I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev
>>> team if not help code a solution.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
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Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

Flanc...

Actually I was not thinking about the " NodeJS FS module" at all. However 
what you point to sounds interesting is is unfortunately at present a 
little "out of my depth". As this is a more general discussion of features 
and possibilities could you please discuss it in more accessible plain 
English and the features etc... you think this alternate model could 
achieve. 

Using what I referred to as being an avenue to edit tid files, is actually 
a side issue. However you can locate a .tid file and edit save out of the 
box (inside the browser).

So far this demo works in the chrome browser, in FireFox you can not save, 
but need to save as.

My thinking would be using such a tool built into tiddlywiki, or making use 
of the same technology/methods (including single file wikis in the browser) 
to;

   - Edit local files
   - Edit tid files
   - Save tiddlers to text files
   - Serve as a model for enabling tiddlywiki as a local app

Regards
Tones




On Monday, 31 May 2021 at 09:44:25 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tones: 
> It sounds like you are describing the NodeJS FS module, which I will agree 
> is extremely powerful. I made something similar at my GitHub repo at 
> https://github.com/flancast90/finniky-on-node. I would love for TW to use 
> this! The entire project I made was a proof-of-concept for the features I 
> wanted on TW! 
> Feel free to look at my code (server.js will be the nodeJS code you are 
> looking for). 
> TW will need at lot of rewriting for this, obviously. Off the bat, I can 
> see that it would need some sort of http request functionality, or even 
> implement socket.io. 
> I would love to be on a team to work to implement this in TW: I’m 
> currently getting ready to apply for college, and as such trying to build 
> my GitHub. 
>
> Tell me your thought about this! Again, I would love to work on adding 
> this, preferably with a team. 
>
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:36 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the following 
>> that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.
>>
>> *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
>> * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/
>>
>> Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to 
>> help some tiddlywiki users.
>>
>> I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow editing 
>> tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. It also 
>> points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file dialogue 
>> which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted to a local 
>> app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.
>>
>> I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders 
>> and there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as 
>> dropping urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer. 
>> Similarly copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting 
>> into the file dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and 
>> make use of it.
>>
>> Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have 
>> sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the first 
>> use and saving of tiddlywiki's.
>>
>> I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev 
>> team if not help code a solution.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
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Re: [tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

Tones:
It sounds like you are describing the NodeJS FS module, which I will agree
is extremely powerful. I made something similar at my GitHub repo at
https://github.com/flancast90/finniky-on-node. I would love for TW to use
this! The entire project I made was a proof-of-concept for the features I
wanted on TW!
Feel free to look at my code (server.js will be the nodeJS code you are
looking for).
TW will need at lot of rewriting for this, obviously. Off the bat, I can
see that it would need some sort of http request functionality, or even
implement socket.io.
I would love to be on a team to work to implement this in TW: I’m currently
getting ready to apply for college, and as such trying to build my GitHub.

Tell me your thought about this! Again, I would love to work on adding
this, preferably with a team.


On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:36 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the following
> that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.
>
> *Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
> * https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/
>
> Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to help
> some tiddlywiki users.
>
> I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow editing
> tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. It also
> points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file dialogue
> which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted to a local
> app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.
>
> I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders and
> there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as dropping
> urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer. Similarly
> copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting into the file
> dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and make use of it.
>
> Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have
> sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the first
> use and saving of tiddlywiki's.
>
> I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev
> team if not help code a solution.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
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[tw5] [RFC] Edit local files from browser and tiddlywiki

Folks,

In my early morning dreaming and research, I stumbled upon the following
that worked in my chrome. On my windows desktop.

*Discussion https://web.dev/file-system-access/
* https://googlechromelabs.github.io/text-editor/

Note: just knowing what the above text editor can do may be enough to help
some tiddlywiki users.

I can see something like this built into tiddlywiki would allow editing
tiddlers within nodeJS folders assuming the correct permissions. It also
points to a method to save tiddlywikis locally via a local file dialogue
which allows you create a folder etc This can be converted to a local
app with a click which would be a dream for tiddlywiki.

I am also researching using the browser to review local device folders and
there is a lot of room to capture links in tiddlywiki, as well as dropping
urls and files/file links on tiddlywiki or the Windows Explorer. Similarly
copying a saved file/folder path to the clipboard and pasting into the file
dialogue allows a wiki to store a full local file path and make use of it.

Unfortunately I do not yet have the skills to code this but I have
sufficient knowledge to see how we can overcome the issues around the first
use and saving of tiddlywiki's.

I need someone with the technical skills to champion this with the dev team
if not help code a solution.

Regards
Tones

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Re: [tw5] Displaying certain tiddlers differently

2021-05-30 Thread Edward Heil

Oh, that's exactly what I needed -- thanks!

> On May 30, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> The quick and easy way is to add a field "hide-body" with a value of "yes" to 
> your data tiddlers. This will hide the default display of the tiddler text. 
> Then have a custom view template based on a tag or field that displays things 
> how you want.
> 
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:50:21 PM UTC+2 Ed Heil wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I'm using TW to make a character sheet for a role-playing game.  Right now a 
> tiddler for a character is associated with a data tiddler.  The character 
> tiddler has a view template which displays all the stuff in the data tiddler 
> in a readable & usable manner.
> 
> I'm thinking it would be nice to have the character sheet *actually be* the 
> data tiddler.
> 
> If I do this, I'm going to want to modify the display of this tiddler, so 
> that when you look at it,  you can't see the underlying data, you can just 
> see the template with the UI for displaying it and interacting with it.
> 
> I've added view templates to classes of tiddlers before, e.g. by adding a new 
> tiddler with the special view template tag so it shows up for tiddlers with a 
> certain tag.  But I've never tried to *replace* the default display.
> 
> I'm wondering if I need to look at replacing (shadowing) a system tiddler or 
> what.
> 
> 
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Re: [tw5] vis.js Timeline time format

2021-05-30 Thread paulgilbert2000

Hi Walt,

i am no expert but i will tell you what i know :)

so there is this date picker plugin 
http://kixam.github.io/TW5-datePicker/
whatever date values you choose will populate in their respective fields in 
the tidly wiki format, which in turn should reflect properly in the timline




[image: datepicker.PNG][image: datepicker2.PNG]


for the red Icon  ,If have you clicked on  it , it should have opened a 
tiddler detailing the errors , what are the errors you are getting ?


For the UI bit i think you need to add the plugin view to the side bar, so 
whatever tiddler  your time line is currently displayed in, just add this 
this tag to it " $:/tags/SideBar" .

 the verticality  is coming from tags ,or at least mine behaves this way, 
so first row has all tiddlers tagged with "tag1", second row all tiddlers 
tagged with "tag 2", and so on .

so you basically need a start date and and end date for the horizontal 
aspect of the time line , and tags , for the vertical aspect of the plugin

<$visjstimeline persistent 
endDateField="enddate"startDateField="startdate"  *groupTags="[[tag 1]]" 
*navpad 
tipFormat="-MM-DD HH:mm">

group tags is what governs the data populated from the top down , you need 
to add tag values there , then tag you tiddlers to show on the time line

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 5:06:00 PM UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:

> Good to hear @Mohammed that you have solved it, as i am struggling w/ this 
> one myself.  Can you share that date picker solution? 
>
> Also: i wonder if i'm alone in having this problem with this problem of 
> warning icon in display (red exclamation mark in Top RH corner of attached 
> screen grab) -? 
>
> Finally: i'm unable to visualise a fuller view (i.e. more bar-lines) than 
> what is shown in the attached image; cannot scroll up/down in the tiddler, 
> and it only shows what it shows (fixed height). 
>
> I don't know if these UI issues are related to my browser  (TiddlyDesktop 
> 0.0.14), or if it's something else. 
> Any advice would be most appreciated!
>
> /walt
>
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 1:32:03 AM UTC+1 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jan,
>>
>> ok yes, it uses the standard tiddly wiki format , i also  found a date 
>> picker that that puts the format as tiddly wiki likes it , problem solved , 
>> thanks :)
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 11:49:14 PM UTC+2 Jan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> if you are not using the TW custom format for dates you have to set a 
>>> parameter to define it. 
>>> And I do not know what the plugin does with blank spaces like in your 
>>> format. 
>>>
>>> Cheers Jan
>>>
>>> Am So., 23. Mai 2021 um 23:38 Uhr schrieb paulgilbert2000 <
>>> mohamed...@hotmail.com>:
>>>

 Hi ,

 i am starting to learn how to use vis.js  Timeline 
 http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/

 i got everything installed , i am using custom date fields instead of 
 Created/modified 

 i am struggling with the date format i should be using in the customer 
 fields, does any one know the correct format to be used ?

 I am using -MM-DD hh:mm

 but none of the values i am putting are interpreted correctly on the 
 visual time line

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[tw5] Re: Displaying certain tiddlers differently

The quick and easy way is to add a field "hide-body" with a value of "yes" 
to your data tiddlers. This will hide the default display of the tiddler 
text. Then have a custom view template based on a tag or field that 
displays things how you want.

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:50:21 PM UTC+2 Ed Heil wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm using TW to make a character sheet for a role-playing game.  Right now 
> a tiddler for a character is associated with a data tiddler.  The character 
> tiddler has a view template which displays all the stuff in the data 
> tiddler in a readable & usable manner.
>
> I'm thinking it would be nice to have the character sheet *actually be* 
> the data tiddler.
>
> If I do this, I'm going to want to modify the display of this tiddler, so 
> that when you look at it,  you can't see the underlying data, you can just 
> see the template with the UI for displaying it and interacting with it.
>
> I've added view templates to classes of tiddlers before, e.g. by adding a 
> new tiddler with the special view template tag so it shows up for tiddlers 
> with a certain tag.  But I've never tried to *replace* the default display.
>
> I'm wondering if I need to look at replacing (shadowing) a system tiddler 
> or what.
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

2021-05-30 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 11:56:51 AM UTC-7 Mat wrote:

>
> I don't know the details but I feel there is a general risk in being tied 
> up in someone elses solution. Critical word is "tied up". Who owns the 
> data? Even if we own the data, can it be exported? For free? Forever? Etc. 
>

I'm just saying that if we changed up, rather than going for these 
semi-broken ad-hoc solutions that were never meant to be a forum (which, as 
I understand it, includes discord), why not use a resource that was 
designed as a forum? 

With groups.io you can export data, and based on past experience it will 
likely warn anyone before they change policies. The "pro" version is 
$200/year, which is still a lot less than $1200. I'm running a nearly 2000 
member forum there (it used to be 2000+, but I'm not a great motivator ;-) 
)  In any event, our data is tied up with GG, so no real change there.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Wiki Spaced Repetition Plugin

Cool stuff, neat to see this coming along nicely.

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:36:05 PM UTC+2 james.w@gmail.com wrote:

> > I'm all for getting different approaches out there so we can learn from 
> each other.
> agreed :)
>
> I've updated this plugin, you can now configure pretty much everyting and 
> have mutiple config files and interfaces per deck/tag
>
> Example here: http://welford.github.io/kanji.html , which adds a second 
> config for studying using the config tag "kanji study" which has customised 
> labels, adding brackets (1,2,3 instead of 1,5,10) and grading translations 
> :) you could also add more than 3 grades per answer if you like.
>
> [image: 無題.png]
>
>
> code is still: https://github.com/welford/twsr
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
>
> On Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 22:54:49 UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> The cool thing about TiddlyRemember (IMHO) is that it supports storing 
>> your questions however you want – as cards, within other tiddlers, or some 
>> other way. You just have to make sure you somewhere call the remember* 
>> macros with appropriate parameters. The $question widget is cool, though; 
>> there is not a super easy way to hide the questions in TR if that's what 
>> you want to do. (I did come up with this hack 
>>  for someone, 
>> which demonstrates the flexibility of the macro approach but isn't super 
>> elegant!)
>>
>> I'm all for getting different approaches out there so we can learn from 
>> each other.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 3:56:31 AM UTC-5 james.w@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Was aware of TiddlyRemember before I started, I was looking for 
>>> something standalone within TW though. 
>>>
>>> I saw the takeaway system in GrokTW once i had finished, which is really 
>>> nice (as is Grok in general). 
>>> I guess this is a different attempt at something similar. In my 
>>> admittedly very basic plugin the tiddlers themselves are the revision cards 
>>> / or contain the question in addition to the actual content, where as in 
>>> GrokTW they exist separately to the tiddler they concern.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 08:10:05 UTC+1 R² wrote:
>>>
 Hi James,

 As a user, it's great seeing so much interest in this space.

 Are you aware that Soren has done a lot of work integrating SRS with 
 TiddlyWiki? Tiddly Remember at [[
 https://sobjornstad.github.io/TiddlyRemember/]] allows writing Anki 
 notes within a TW, "providing an excellent way of seamlessly producing 
 relevant notes to memorize via Anki while also providing 
 context/traceability". You can also find a full-blown SRS solution in his 
 Grok Tiddlywiki at [[https://groktiddlywiki.com/]].

 Regards,
 R²

 Le mardi 25 mai 2021 à 00:06:15 UTC+2, james.w@gmail.com a écrit :

> This is my, first pass, attempt at providing a very basic Anki/Super 
> Memo like functionality in Tiddlywiki. From a quick search It seems a few 
> people have had similar ideas recently :)
>
> https://github.com/welford/twsr
> http://welford.github.io/kanji.html <- basic example
>
> Setup is pretty simple. Tag a tiddler with "$:/tags/twsr" and any 
> other tags that match subjects you want to study. That tiddler will then 
> show a interface for you to be able to review/add/grade "cards" that 
> match 
> the tags you have supplied.
>
> In the example linked to above, i've tagged the example tiddler with 
> 一画, 二画, 三画, 四画 & 五画 (1 stroke, 2 strokes, ...5 strokes in english) so any 
> Japanese characters  matching these number of stokes are possible 
> candidates for revision in this tiddler. They will not be added however 
> unless you click the cog icon and select +1,+5,+10 which will  the 
> selected 
> number of cards to the scheduler.
>
> lastly, you can add a <$question>... segment to a tiddler 
> which will be hidden when viewing the tiddler normally, but when 
> appearing 
> in a scheduled card within a twsr tiddler will be shown instead of the 
> main 
> contents. When the user clicks "show answer" the main contents will be 
> displayed. If there is no question segment the main contents will be 
> displayed by default.
>
>
> [image: 無題.png]
>
>
> Thanks!
> James
>


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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

I had written a longer and more detailed reply but par for the course, the 
UI glitched out and I lost part of the post.

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:34:06 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:

>
> Yeah, no doubt it would be a substantial effort. But on the other hand 
> there's no particular rush
>

As I said, if you stay within the GG group bubble it's easy to ignore the 
plight of users both current and prospective who are not comfortable with 
using or signing up for GG.

> So just "registering a new TW group" somewhere... poor idea.
>

I don't think anyone has suggested that in this thread, otherwise I'd have 
a discourse up and running for TW already. At it's cheapest it costs $10/ 
month to self host it, closer to $20 with a higher user count. Discussion 
around this topic as a community is needed precisely because user 
dissatisfaction with GG is growing and there are actually good options 
available at this time.

> IMO eating our own dog food would bring things closer together. 
>

I've been hearing variations of this since 2008. The difference is there 
weren't any really well put together open source alternatives back then, 
there are now. 

> But I know; talk is cheap, especially from someone who doesn't really 
know what it takes.

It is very easy to underestimate the time and resources it would take to 
invent our own forum solution. Not to mention that most of that work 
wouldn't be universally useful and we would still need to pay for hosting 
and maintenance. If as a community we can't pull together $50 a month for 
hosting fees at this time, we *definitely* don't have the resources to take 
this on. Nor would it be the best prioritization of resources even if we 
did.

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[tw5] Displaying certain tiddlers differently

2021-05-30 Thread Ed Heil

Hi!

I'm using TW to make a character sheet for a role-playing game.  Right now 
a tiddler for a character is associated with a data tiddler.  The character 
tiddler has a view template which displays all the stuff in the data 
tiddler in a readable & usable manner.

I'm thinking it would be nice to have the character sheet *actually be* the 
data tiddler.

If I do this, I'm going to want to modify the display of this tiddler, so 
that when you look at it,  you can't see the underlying data, you can just 
see the template with the UI for displaying it and interacting with it.

I've added view templates to classes of tiddlers before, e.g. by adding a 
new tiddler with the special view template tag so it shows up for tiddlers 
with a certain tag.  But I've never tried to *replace* the default display.

I'm wondering if I need to look at replacing (shadowing) a system tiddler 
or what.


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Re: [tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

Hey all!

Just checking out this thread, I would like to add my dissatisfaction with
GG, which I find to be dis-intuitive and old-feeling. Looking at some ideas
for a new platform, I can see that most of them cost either money, or lots
and lots of time. As I feel that much of the community seems to shy-away
from groups such as discord, etc, I would like to add freeflarum
https://freeflarum.com
to the list.
In short, FreeFlarum is a free forum software, which is not super-popular,
but nonetheless extremely powerful. In its free tier, it offers custom
domain via DNS, admins, and sign-ups. Having used it briefly for my own
site a while back, I found it really easy-to-use and functional.
What this would mean is that FreeFlarum could be added directly to
TiddlyWiki.com as a subdomain, and allow anyone to sign-up and post. An
issue that I see off the bat, however, is whether it’ll be around a long
time, since it is hard to judge right now.

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 4:34 PM Mat  wrote:

> Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> The effort and resources required to implement a good discussion system
>> are *quite substantial, *and personally I think better spent on various
>> other needs in the community.
>>
>
> Yeah, no doubt it would be a substantial effort. But on the other hand
> there's no particular rush AND I think it would bring a lot of enhancement
> to TW itself. A most glaring lack in TW is probably "multi user
> capabilities" and tools for collaboration. I'm sure we lose a lot of people
> because of this, particularly "business" use cases. "Multi use" is of
> course only one aspect for a discussion system but I also think there is a
> lot that is already solved or at least half-solved with TW just with what
> we already have.
>
> Lastly, the user split is already a reality.
>>
>
> Yeah... and that is why I spontaneously dislike these new "let's change
> forums" initiatives. I think they are more destructive than constructive.
> For one, IF a move is to be done it needs the endorsement of Big J. Where
> he goes, the crowd has to go. So just "registering a new TW group"
> somewhere... poor idea.
>
> IMO eating our own dog food would bring things closer together. It would
> be the flagship real life use case for a product that current doesn't
> really have any real official use case demo other than the "TW website".
> Why should a company, or even just someone with high demands, *trust *that
> TW can *perform IRL*?
>
> But I know; talk is cheap, especially from someone who doesn't really know
> what it takes.
>
> <:-)
>
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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> The effort and resources required to implement a good discussion system 
> are *quite substantial, *and personally I think better spent on various 
> other needs in the community.
>

Yeah, no doubt it would be a substantial effort. But on the other hand 
there's no particular rush AND I think it would bring a lot of enhancement 
to TW itself. A most glaring lack in TW is probably "multi user 
capabilities" and tools for collaboration. I'm sure we lose a lot of people 
because of this, particularly "business" use cases. "Multi use" is of 
course only one aspect for a discussion system but I also think there is a 
lot that is already solved or at least half-solved with TW just with what 
we already have. 

Lastly, the user split is already a reality.
>

Yeah... and that is why I spontaneously dislike these new "let's change 
forums" initiatives. I think they are more destructive than constructive. 
For one, IF a move is to be done it needs the endorsement of Big J. Where 
he goes, the crowd has to go. So just "registering a new TW group" 
somewhere... poor idea.

IMO eating our own dog food would bring things closer together. It would be 
the flagship real life use case for a product that current doesn't really 
have any real official use case demo other than the "TW website". Why 
should a company, or even just someone with high demands, *trust *that TW 
can *perform IRL*?

But I know; talk is cheap, especially from someone who doesn't really know 
what it takes.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Understanding Templates, Macros, Etc.

2021-05-30 Thread Eric Shulman

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 12:35:52 PM UTC-7 rj...@blackperl.com wrote:

> is there a way to assign it an icon and have it be an action that I can 
> configure into my main menu-bar?
>
1) First, create a tiddler (e.g., "New Project"), containing the desired 
"skeleton content" and tags.
2) Next, create a tiddler (e.g., "NewProjectButton"), containing a $button 
definition like this:
<$button message="tm-new-tiddler" param="New Project" tooltip="Create a new 
Project tiddler" class="tc-btn-invisible">
   {{$:/core/images/spiral}}

3) Tag "NewProjectButton" with *$:/tags/PageControls*

Notes:
* You can name the tiddlers anything you like
* Use class="tc-btn-invisible" so the $button just displays the icon 
without any border or background color
* Replace $:/core/images/spiral with any tiddler containing a small 
button-sized image

enjoy,
-e

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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki Documentation - Syntax

2021-05-30 Thread Odin

I like V1 the best in combination with the table. This way the part in the 
codeblock in a quick overview that can be copied. And if an user needs more 
information, they can look it up in the table.
Op zaterdag 29 mei 2021 om 19:01:03 UTC+2 schreef Mohammad:

> I love this bold/italic format! Now at a short glance one understand how 
> to call the widget!
>
>
> If readability does matter, then V3 is the most readable but may take more 
> space and look lengthy!
> My experience says having a standard form for all widgets makes learning 
> them easier!
>
> I also recommend to keep the table! as it has a column of explanation to 
> all attributes! in other words the table is a descriptive tool 
> clarify everything while the syntax is only an abstract form!
>
> Lets see what other says!
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 8:40 PM Stobot  wrote:
>
>> Progress and feedback gathering:
>>
>>- The main suggestion I wanted to take a look at first was adding 
>>"metasyntactic variables", which was suggested by many of you. I had 
>>expressed my concern with length, so want to show that below and at the 
>>link to get feedback. 
>>- Added these attribute strings in a dictionary so they can be shared 
>>/consistent between widgets
>>- Added parenthesis around defaults that are not variable names
>>
>>
>> Review here:
>> Documentation — Syntax for Widgets (tiddlyhost.com) 
>> 
>>
>> So on the site now I show a V1 (original), V2 (adding the metasyntactic 
>> variables), and V3 with them, but splitting each attribute into a new line. 
>> It's not clear to me which is best because I change my mind depending on 
>> how many attributes there are. While V3 I think makes it easier to read for 
>> widgets with MANY attributes, I wonder then if it's worth just combining 
>> the syntax and attribute table altogether since it'd probably fit all side 
>> by side (think syntax as col1 of a table with the description, defaults as 
>> other columns... 
>>
>> Examples - fairly simple = Image
>> [image: image-widget.PNG]
>>
>> Examples - more complex = Edit-text
>> [image: edit-text-widget.PNG]
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 6:19:11 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> When documenting code perhaps mouse over and alt text could be used 
>>> along with highlighting so an optional items being bold nd green could 
>>> support screen readers and the color blind with mouse over text? We do 
>>> have  rich environment available after all. I am sure there are standards 
>>> we can follow.
>>>
>>> Tones 
>>>
>>> On Friday, 28 May 2021 at 03:47:37 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:
>>>



 Best wishes
 Mohammad


 On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 4:28 PM Stobot  wrote:

> Thanks everyone for the feedback!
>
> @Soren
>
>- Good point about the formatting on the values in the Default 
>section, I'll try parentheses. 
>- I ''strongly'' agree that every attribute should have an 
>example. I might have to put that as a secondary effort though to make 
> sure 
>I finish this. 
>- Good reminder again on color-blindness. I did end up going with 
>the bold / italic setup so I think I'll stick with that unless I hear 
> of 
>something better
>- I like the note about doing source="MyImageTiddler" rather than 
>just source as I have it. I actually did that originally, but after 
>realizing how many attributes some of these things have, I 
> counter-balanced 
>against the length of the syntax mockup. I think you're probably right 
>anyways, and I think your point about a maintained table of example 
> values 
>per type makes sense - good idea. But take a look at something like 
><$edit-text/> which has 20 attributes. At a certain length, I worry we 
>would lose people, or you then get into a kind of stepped layout where 
> each 
>attribute gets a newline?
>- I agree on the order, I did put all the required ones first, and 
>then took some liberty on ones I thought were most common, but 
> alphabetical 
>probably makes more sense. Counter to that might be to bundle (sort 
>together) the ones that go together. 
>- Your last point on multiple required attributes is similar to 
>where I was thinking about too. For reference, using your example - 
><$action-setfield> 
>   - Your suggestion: <$action-setfield $tiddler="tid" 
>   ($field="field" | $index = "index" | *text* field) 
>   $value="value" />  - what does the *text* field part mean?
>   - I was thinking about the combinations that were valid could 
>   all be spelled out. For example either tiddler or field are fine, 
> and if 
>   you use index you need tiddler too.
>   - So maybe: <$action-setfield

Re: [tw5] Re: Understanding Templates, Macros, Etc.

2021-05-30 Thread Randy J. Ray

It is good to be welcomed, even as a newcomer. Many communities are not
so generous :-).

One follow-up question, though: when you say, "add the following $button
wherever you like", do you mean within an existing tiddler? Or is there
a way to assign it an icon and have it be an action that I can configure
into my main menu-bar?

Randy

On 5/29/21 3:21 PM, Eric Shulman wrote:

On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 2:36:29 PM UTC-7 rj...@blackperl.com wrote:

Please forgive the somewhat newbie-ish post.

You don't need to ask for "forgiveness"... this group welcomes
"newbies" with open arms.

I want to be able to click a button and create a new "Project"
tiddler, in which a few basic tags are set but which also has the
skeleton content of:

!!Materials

!!!Kits/Aftermarket

!!!Accessories

!!References

!!Web References

!!Notes

1) First, create a tiddler (e.g., "ProjectStarter"), containing the
desired "skeleton content" and tags.

2) Next add the following $button wherever you like:
<$button message="tm-new-tiddler" param="ProjectStarter">New
Project

That's it. When you press the "New Project" button, it will open a
new tiddler for editing with the indicated default starting content.

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

Mark S. wrote:

> I think a $1200 solution is a non-starter.  There might be enough 
> enthusiasm for it this year, but what happens when it becomes defunded in 
> two years? Three years? Suddenly everything is lost. Not even GG is that 
> bad. 
>
 
We are IMO, unfortunately, *forced *to agree with this.

You might look at groups.io, a professional forum solution which has a free 
> tier which is still very good.
>

I don't know the details but I feel there is a general risk in being tied 
up in someone elses solution. Critical word is "tied up". Who owns the 
data? Even if we own the data, can it be exported? For free? Forever? Etc. 
 

> Interesting topics and solutions could be entered into tiddlylinks.
>

Let's at least explore ideas along these lines.

<:-)

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[tw5] Refresh throttling in TW5-Bob requires multiple conditions to take effect

2021-05-30 Thread Taylor Jensen

I was having a similar issue to
[this](https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/IqdgBUkrgbA) from the
Google Group, so I attempted to add refresh throttling, but for some reason
the TW5-Bob version requires multiple triggers to throttle, rather than any
one trigger. In the
[docs](https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#RefreshThrottling), it says if
either field throttle.refresh is present, or the title is prefixed with
$:/temp/volatile/ it will throttle, and I have confirmed this as true in
5.1.23 in both single-file and node versions of TiddlyWiki. However in
TW5-Bob, both the field and the prefix must exist in order for throttling
to happen.

Throttling fails to happen with both the <$edit/> and <$edit-text/> widgets.

I have tested this in a new, empty wiki with TW5-Bob, and the issue is
still present, so I believe it's something about TW5-Bob rather than
anything I've done inside the wiki.

In this
[thread](https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/RA_4P0ST364/m/VzrJqwoRAgAJ)
related to TW-Bob, it seemed to suggest throttle.refresh needs to be set to
true rather than simply present, but this has doesn't seem to make any
difference compared to simply having the field be present.

Any ideas on where this issue might be introduced and how to resolve?

Cross posted from open issue here
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[tw5] Re: Will NoteSelf work with Stroll?

2021-05-30 Thread David Gifford

Chrome OR Firefox

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 12:45:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi Jerrold
>
> If you want to use Stroll, and use Chrome of Firefox,  I recommend Timimi 
> as a saving option. The main documentation for saving is here 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted and Timimi is one of the options 
> that gets listed when you select your operating system.
>
> Blessings
>
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 9:11:24 AM UTC-5 Jerrold Nikolaisen wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I am just new to this environment, but in searching for a note solution 
>> that works with my brain, I came upon Stroll.
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html
>>
>> Within the download documentation, it talked about saving. Didn't really 
>> explain it as much as I need (I usually need a lot of explaining).
>>
>> So I then came upon this article by Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
>> 
>>
>> Getting started with TiddlyWiki: a beginner’s tutorial
>> https://nesslabs.com/tiddlywiki-beginner-tutorial
>>
>> It mentions using NoteSelf so I read through that.
>> https://noteself.org
>>
>> Now, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. As of yet I haven't 
>> downloaded anything.
>>
>> So, can I have Stroll but with the saving capability of NoteSelf?
>>
>> If yes, how do I do that?
>>
>> If no, can someone point me to an article that actually walks a newbie 
>> through the process of setting up saving?
>>
>> I also came across someone who saved to Github. I like this idea as well, 
>> but don't have a clue how to set it up.
>>
>> In advance, thanks.
>> Jerrold
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Will NoteSelf work with Stroll?

2021-05-30 Thread David Gifford

Hi Jerrold

If you want to use Stroll, and use Chrome of Firefox,  I recommend Timimi 
as a saving option. The main documentation for saving is here 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted and Timimi is one of the options 
that gets listed when you select your operating system.

Blessings

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 9:11:24 AM UTC-5 Jerrold Nikolaisen wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I am just new to this environment, but in searching for a note solution 
> that works with my brain, I came upon Stroll.
>
> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html
>
> Within the download documentation, it talked about saving. Didn't really 
> explain it as much as I need (I usually need a lot of explaining).
>
> So I then came upon this article by Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
> 
>
> Getting started with TiddlyWiki: a beginner’s tutorial
> https://nesslabs.com/tiddlywiki-beginner-tutorial
>
> It mentions using NoteSelf so I read through that.
> https://noteself.org
>
> Now, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. As of yet I haven't 
> downloaded anything.
>
> So, can I have Stroll but with the saving capability of NoteSelf?
>
> If yes, how do I do that?
>
> If no, can someone point me to an article that actually walks a newbie 
> through the process of setting up saving?
>
> I also came across someone who saved to Github. I like this idea as well, 
> but don't have a clue how to set it up.
>
> In advance, thanks.
> Jerrold
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Matter: The simplest Personal Todo list I have ever seen

2021-05-30 Thread scot

Hi Mohammad,
Very nice. 
Can this be downloaded or do you have to go to the github page each time 
you want to use it?
How do you delete the browser data?
Where did you find out about this tool?
Scot

On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 16:55:21 UTC+1 Jon wrote:

> Yes, nice - but it appears you can't retrieve a line if you accidentally 
> hit the 'cross' button.
>
> Regards
> Jon
> On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 12:19:14 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> This is *Matter*
>>
>> https://hihayk.github.io/matter/
>>
>> I thought of implementing it in Tiddlywiki! but I see it is simpler!
>> It uses browser local storage! you can save it to use it offline!
>>
>>
>> It is very small!
>>
>> The designer is a genius!!
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

2021-05-30 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Interesting topics and solutions could be entered into tiddlylinks.

I think a $1200 solution is a non-starter.  There might be enough 
enthusiasm for it this year, but what happens when it becomes defunded in 
two years? Three years? Suddenly everything is lost. Not even GG is that 
bad.

You might look at groups.io, a professional forum solution which has a free 
tier which is still very good.

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[tw5] Re: Matter: The simplest Personal Todo list I have ever seen

2021-05-30 Thread Jon

Yes, nice - but it appears you can't retrieve a line if you accidentally 
hit the 'cross' button.

Regards
Jon
On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 12:19:14 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

> This is *Matter*
>
> https://hihayk.github.io/matter/
>
> I thought of implementing it in Tiddlywiki! but I see it is simpler!
> It uses browser local storage! you can save it to use it offline!
>
>
> It is very small!
>
> The designer is a genius!!
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

2021-05-30 Thread ludwa6

Dooh! Thanks @saq for the helpful clarification (  /walt leaves the 
conversation to those who actually know what they are talking about :-)


On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 2:57:31 PM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> *Some clarification:*
>
> Discord  and Discourse  
> are not the same. The former is primarily a real time chat, while the 
> latter is an open source forum software.
>
... 

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[tw5] Will NoteSelf work with Stroll?

2021-05-30 Thread Jerrold Nikolaisen

Hi.

I am just new to this environment, but in searching for a note solution 
that works with my brain, I came upon Stroll.

https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html

Within the download documentation, it talked about saving. Didn't really 
explain it as much as I need (I usually need a lot of explaining).

So I then came upon this article by Anne-Laure Le Cunff 


Getting started with TiddlyWiki: a beginner’s tutorial
https://nesslabs.com/tiddlywiki-beginner-tutorial

It mentions using NoteSelf so I read through that.
https://noteself.org

Now, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. As of yet I haven't downloaded 
anything.

So, can I have Stroll but with the saving capability of NoteSelf?

If yes, how do I do that?

If no, can someone point me to an article that actually walks a newbie 
through the process of setting up saving?

I also came across someone who saved to Github. I like this idea as well, 
but don't have a clue how to set it up.

In advance, thanks.
Jerrold









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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

*Some clarification:*

Discord  and Discourse  
are not the same. The former is primarily a real time chat, while the 
latter is an open source forum software.

Discourse is open source and free to self-host. Paying for professional 
hosting is worth it for the reliability it would bring. You own your own 
data, can migrate to other hosts etc, there is no reliance on any central 
authority. You can also extend it with plugins.

The effort and resources required to implement a good discussion system are 
*quite substantial, 
*and personally I think better spent on various other needs in the 
community.

Lastly, the user split is already a reality. Stay within the confines of GG 
you just don't see it. A lot of users end up on reddit or discord precisely 
because they don't want to use GG, and I suspect most of them don't have 
the best experience with the community (and possibly give up on TW early) 
because those channels are not particularly active.

Saq

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 3:45:31 PM UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:

> Not to keep banging the Discord drum- there's a bigger conversation here 
> that needs to run its course -but i have to ask, since there's a question 
> in the air about hosting:  Re this "TiddlyWiki 5" server that i have in my 
> Discord client (has a blue w/ white "T5" icon in server browser): Where is 
> this server hosted? Is it paid or free?  Looks like "saqimtiaz" is one of 
> that server's more active users, so maybe @saq can give some context about 
> this...
>
> For my part: i joined the Discord party to access the Fission server, when 
> i was trying to get my tiddlywiki.fission.app working, and needed support 
> to get that working.  Got some great help in real-time from a few of the 
> good people there, low-latency interaction being one of the great 
> advantages Discord has over GG, and sorted the problem out right quick.  Am 
> guessing that i acquired access to the T5 server around that time, via 
> pointage from one of the Fission channels, but in fact i don't know the 
> source. 
>
> PS: Seeing as how Discord login via Google account is an option, as @TT 
> points out w/ screenshot below, that would seem to make migration easy as 
> can be... And maybe there's even a way to mirror discussion threads from 
> here and topic threads over there to update one another (not blow-by-blow; 
> just name of thread / topic).  Another practical point to consider, if & 
> when the higher-level conversation comes down to How :-)
>
> /walt
>
>
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:17:43 AM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> ...Moving to Discourse isn't going to be a silver bullet. However it 
>> would give us the opportunity to start building towards something better 
>> with tools that help us, rather than continuing to struggle to work around 
>> the limitations of GG; which only seem to be getting worse. 
>>
>
>> Regards,
>> Saq
>>
>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:46:22 AM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Ciao ludwa6
>>>
>>> As I commented to Saq, it can't be just about "is Discourse better?" It 
>>> IS. BUT it is not the central issue though.
>>> There needs to be DEEP THOUGHT about *HOW you could ever transition* 
>>> from here to there without devastating the membership here?
>>>
>>> FWIW, one BIG UPSIDE with Discourse is that you can logon with GOOGLE 
>>> credentials. 
>>> Might seem like a small thing, but those small things matter in easing 
>>> the case for any potential transfer ...
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2021-05-30 103742.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 10:13:39 UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:
>>>
 I share your pain, @TT... and am +1 @saq's idea about Discourse and how 
 to fund it.  

 I for one would be happy to chip in a few $/month to support this 
 community, and- from earlier discussion thread @Tones initiated (can't 
 seem 
 to find it now; see the problem? :-) -i gather that there be others 
 likewise inclined to fund the community somehow, if only we could find an 
 equitable way to do so.  As discussed, who or what initiative gets funded, 
 and how that gets decided is not a trivial problem... 

 So funding for an improved collaboration infrastructure seems not only 
 perfectly equitable, it also solves what must be (if TT & i  are at all 
 representative) a problem we all share, and an opportunity for more 
 effective collaboration.

 /walt

 On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:50:46 AM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> I would like to see us move to using Discourse 
>  for discussions. In particular the 
> search feature is very well implemented.
>
> Professional hosting ranges $50-100 per month. Personally I think an 
> Open Collective model for where the community chips in with recurring 
> monthly contributions to support that would be a good way to approach it.
>>>

[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

2021-05-30 Thread ludwa6

Not to keep banging the Discord drum- there's a bigger conversation here 
that needs to run its course -but i have to ask, since there's a question 
in the air about hosting:  Re this "TiddlyWiki 5" server that i have in my 
Discord client (has a blue w/ white "T5" icon in server browser): Where is 
this server hosted? Is it paid or free?  Looks like "saqimtiaz" is one of 
that server's more active users, so maybe @saq can give some context about 
this...

For my part: i joined the Discord party to access the Fission server, when 
i was trying to get my tiddlywiki.fission.app working, and needed support 
to get that working.  Got some great help in real-time from a few of the 
good people there, low-latency interaction being one of the great 
advantages Discord has over GG, and sorted the problem out right quick.  Am 
guessing that i acquired access to the T5 server around that time, via 
pointage from one of the Fission channels, but in fact i don't know the 
source. 

PS: Seeing as how Discord login via Google account is an option, as @TT 
points out w/ screenshot below, that would seem to make migration easy as 
can be... And maybe there's even a way to mirror discussion threads from 
here and topic threads over there to update one another (not blow-by-blow; 
just name of thread / topic).  Another practical point to consider, if & 
when the higher-level conversation comes down to How :-)

/walt

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:17:43 AM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> ...Moving to Discourse isn't going to be a silver bullet. However it would 
> give us the opportunity to start building towards something better with 
> tools that help us, rather than continuing to struggle to work around the 
> limitations of GG; which only seem to be getting worse. 
>
> Regards,
> Saq
>
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:46:22 AM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao ludwa6
>>
>> As I commented to Saq, it can't be just about "is Discourse better?" It 
>> IS. BUT it is not the central issue though.
>> There needs to be DEEP THOUGHT about *HOW you could ever transition* 
>> from here to there without devastating the membership here?
>>
>> FWIW, one BIG UPSIDE with Discourse is that you can logon with GOOGLE 
>> credentials. 
>> Might seem like a small thing, but those small things matter in easing 
>> the case for any potential transfer ...
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2021-05-30 103742.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 10:13:39 UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
>>> I share your pain, @TT... and am +1 @saq's idea about Discourse and how 
>>> to fund it.  
>>>
>>> I for one would be happy to chip in a few $/month to support this 
>>> community, and- from earlier discussion thread @Tones initiated (can't seem 
>>> to find it now; see the problem? :-) -i gather that there be others 
>>> likewise inclined to fund the community somehow, if only we could find an 
>>> equitable way to do so.  As discussed, who or what initiative gets funded, 
>>> and how that gets decided is not a trivial problem... 
>>>
>>> So funding for an improved collaboration infrastructure seems not only 
>>> perfectly equitable, it also solves what must be (if TT & i  are at all 
>>> representative) a problem we all share, and an opportunity for more 
>>> effective collaboration.
>>>
>>> /walt
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:50:46 AM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I would like to see us move to using Discourse 
  for discussions. In particular the search 
 feature is very well implemented.

 Professional hosting ranges $50-100 per month. Personally I think an 
 Open Collective model for where the community chips in with recurring 
 monthly contributions to support that would be a good way to approach it.

 On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:34:37 AM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> This Google Group is OUR main end-user forum. 
>
> There are problems with Google Groups. More recently it was 
> "dumbed-down" by Google. A lot of tools just disappeared. That just made 
> it 
> worse for OUR needs.
>
> And, long term, it has proved to also have NO DECENT MEMORY. 
> Search here is the Total Pits.
>
> WHAT happens as a result of that?
>
> A VERY common pattern that happens daily here is RE-CREATION OF THE 
> WHEEL. 
> GG lacks any easy, structured, way to interrogate the VAST 
> knowledge-base that this GG actually IS. 
> SO, again and again, you see very similar queries come up and be 
> patiently RE-answered.
>
> I think a much BETTER way would be to leverage off the knowledge 
> accumulated here and direct users first to already EXTANT solutions.
>
> I'm not sure it is possible. 
> But repetition of the variants on the same question is a waste, I 
> think?
>
> Just comments
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: RenderCommand: internal links incorrect

2021-05-30 Thread Louis Davout

Should anyone in the future come across this. Apparently you can use the 
RenderCommand to generate static html which have working internal links 
using using render-type of text/plain and 
$:/core/templates/static.tiddler.html (I don't know if it works with any 
other template.)

tiddlywiki --render [!is[system]] 
"[encodeuricomponent[]addprefix[tiddlers/]addsuffix[.html]]" text/plain 
"$:/core/templates/static.tiddler.html"

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 9:23:37 AM UTC-4 Louis Davout wrote:

> OK I got the links to work by following 
> https://www.didaxy.com/exporting-static-sites-from-tiddlywiki-part-1 and 
> using the deprecated RenderTiddlersCommand not sure yet if it's because 
> of the parameters or the command itself. Looking further into it.
>
>
> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 10:25:36 AM UTC-4 Louis Davout wrote:
>
>>
>> I have TW 5.1.23 running on node. I'm exporting to static html using the 
>> RenderCommand:
>>
>> tiddlywiki --render [!is[system]] "[encodeuricomponent[]addsuffix[.html]]"
>>
>> The internal links generated still have the # like an achor tag. Ex:
>>
>> In topicA I have a link to topicB ([[topicB]] the html generated for 
>> topicA has 
>>
>> topicB
>>
>> How can I get the links to point to the files?
>>
>> > href="#topicB.html">topicB
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: RenderCommand: internal links incorrect

2021-05-30 Thread Louis Davout

OK I got the links to work by following 
https://www.didaxy.com/exporting-static-sites-from-tiddlywiki-part-1 and 
using the deprecated RenderTiddlersCommand not sure yet if it's because of 
the parameters or the command itself. Looking further into it.


On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 10:25:36 AM UTC-4 Louis Davout wrote:

>
> I have TW 5.1.23 running on node. I'm exporting to static html using the 
> RenderCommand:
>
> tiddlywiki --render [!is[system]] "[encodeuricomponent[]addsuffix[.html]]"
>
> The internal links generated still have the # like an achor tag. Ex:
>
> In topicA I have a link to topicB ([[topicB]] the html generated for 
> topicA has 
>
> topicB
>
> How can I get the links to point to the files?
>
>  href="#topicB.html">topicB
>
> Thanks.
>

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[tw5] Re: RenderCommand: internal links incorrect

2021-05-30 Thread Louis Davout

OK I got the links to work by following 
https://www.didaxy.com/exporting-static-sites-from-tiddlywiki-part-1 and 
using the deprecated RenderTiddlerCommand not sure yet if it's because of 
the parameters or the command itself. Looking further into it.

On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 10:25:36 AM UTC-4 Louis Davout wrote:

>
> I have TW 5.1.23 running on node. I'm exporting to static html using the 
> RenderCommand:
>
> tiddlywiki --render [!is[system]] "[encodeuricomponent[]addsuffix[.html]]"
>
> The internal links generated still have the # like an achor tag. Ex:
>
> In topicA I have a link to topicB ([[topicB]] the html generated for 
> topicA has 
>
> topicB
>
> How can I get the links to point to the files?
>
>  href="#topicB.html">topicB
>
> Thanks.
>

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[tw5] Re: Your main Tags - Your main Tabs

2021-05-30 Thread Jon Light

Hi,

I think your term 'entropy' is a good one here - do things spread out or do 
they condense - for instance as more connections form do they simply create 
more questions?

I think what is best for you will depend a lot on your subject matter - by 
way of example my Tiddlywiki is in an area where different people have 
varied opinions on the same principle areas of interest - so the now I have 
176 tags but they get re-used a lot and I do not have to add new ones very 
often but tiddlers sharing the same tags may represent different views and 
opinions on those tagged subject areas. In contrast if my Tiddlywiki was in 
the area of say Mathematics I would expect less diversity of opinion so 
perhaps one or two tiddlers might suffice for one well defined tag subject 
area. Putting this differently I think my tag count is low, tiddler count 
is medium but 'use count' of tags ( how many times each tag gets used ) is 
very high - so many connections - very much more a web or graph than a 
tree. 

I find a high number of links beneficial because it helps me find 
connections I would not be able to find otherwise - but I think each link 
has to have value, I spend time thinking through connections carefully, its 
organic, I am constantly adding more connections, removing others and 
finding better relationships - sometimes I create what I call a 'hub' 
tiddler which has very little content apart from a single idea or hypthosis 
and then as part of it's content I add links to tiddlers that only make 
sense if that hypothesis is true so I might not want to link the tiddlers 
directly in case the hypothesis is false.

I think the only way to find what works best for you is to start the 
process and exploit the amazing flexibility of Tiddlywiki to adapt to you, 
your subject area and the evolution of your path through it, so far I have 
not felt I had to fight with Tiddlywiki as my use of it evolved - it always 
seemed to be able to adapt to my direction. I don't think my design is 
constant, it is changing as I discover better ways of working and learn 
more - the hours I spend on maintenance are never wasted because always it 
reflects a new understanding and asks me to re-read and consider content 
not just Tiddlywiki.

I would recommend Bidirectional linking ( stroll or tiddlyblink ) unless 
you know it will not be required - I added it to my Tiddlywiki after one 
year - I just hadn't spent much time on the forum and did not know the 
plugin existed, immediately the connections doubled which resulted in a 
whole lot of new thoughts and understandings. 

Some people advise keeping tiddlers atomic so that they do not cover 
multiple topics - this seems sensible advice unless there are strong 
reasons not to do so, I often break the rule but I usually have a good 
reason when I do - for instance an article written by someone else - I 
might prefer to keep it in one tiddler. 

I think it makes sense to consider new tags carefully - sometimes I find 
myself want to split a tag into two different subject areas or join two 
tags into one and that can be time consuming.  

On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 13:13:41 UTC+1 Mat wrote:

> While I didn't use TW as a "Personal Knowledge Management" system, at 
> least not specifically, I'd say the general answer to your question is how 
> direct your access to the data needs to be, and put this in relation to how 
> cluttered you want your UI to be.
>
> For example, I would personally not want a lot of sidebar tabs. But then, 
> if there's something I use a lot, then why not. But if there are *many" 
> things that I use a lot then, again, I wouldn't want them as sidebar tabs. 
> But then, if I could make the sidebar tabs more subtle or e.g hide them so 
> they don't clutter, then I might want them there. But that comes at the 
> cost of the direct access, so... etc. The conclusion is that it's a 
> question of finding a balance and this is a subjective preference. I wish 
> there were be some kind of measurement system that counts the number of 
> times you actually use a feature and then proposes that you should make it 
> more or less prominent in the UI but then what does "use a feature mean"? 
> For example, sometimes it's enough that I *see *a title, not open the 
> tiddler. Obviously no (current) way to measure this.
>
> From a more pragmatic perspective I say; make reasonable guesses for your 
> design, and then master TW. Over time, you'll *modify *your system 
> according to your needs. In addition, I find that my needs shift over time, 
> depending on what I focus on. Consequently my TW's shift. All UI's are 
> compromises. All implementations balance cost-benefit. So the secrete is 
> not to find "the perfect setup" but rather to gain the knowledge how to 
> tweak it.
>
> <:-)
>
>
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 12:57:53 PM UTC+2 Atronoush wrote:
>
>> Recently there were some interesting discussions on better utilizing 
>> Tiddlywiki for Personal Knowledge Management (

[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

First: Any other solution than what we have is probably more likely to
split the users than to unite them. This is a main reason why I don't
participate in any other group than this one (and the gh dev group).

Second: There is reason to be skeptical of any central system. If they
decide to X there's probably nothing we can do about it.

*So if we are willing to pay for something, then we don't we just pay for
storage and then build our own system using TW?* These chats and threads
are conceptually very close to tiddlers. This would:
- probably unite the community
- obviously further improve TW itself
- be under our full control and we can tailor it to our exact needs

Need a great search feature? - Probably doable.
Extract great replies to be part of docs? - No prob.
Google decides to put GG to rest? - Google who!?
Discord is blocked in China? - Well, our db is mirrored on X.
I want to upvote PMario to annoy him but also because I think he is
brilliant. - OK, install the voting plugin in your representation of the
community TW.

If some of the big boys were willing to fiddle with this, I'd be happy to
be one of the financial contributors. I'm not a gazillionaire but after
having now used TW for almost 15 years I've realized that TW is simply a
part of my identity and I will likely stick with it for many years to come.
I might as well spend some money on this as anything else meaningful in my
life.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Your main Tags - Your main Tabs

2021-05-30 Thread Anjar

A few inputs;

In my head, things became a bit easier with the keyword field in drift; 
https://akhater.github.io/drift/#Example%20Keywords%20Source Then tags can 
be reserved for broader topics and I add specifics to the keyword field.

A generalization of that approach, I guess, is that every field is a tag 
field, and that fields are in a sense tags themselves. In your case; would 
it make sense to have a URL field in the tiddlers you use in the example? 
Then you know that the tiddlers with a URL field have stuff from the 
internet and can use that for filtering. This approach is also establishing 
relationships between tiddlers, e.g. the tag "Sigmund Freud" is very broad, 
but you can add a field "author" with value "Sigmund Freud" to tiddlers on 
his books, link to [[Sigmund Freud]] in tiddlers where you critique him, 
have a field "relatives" in the tiddler on Anna Freud where [[Sigmund 
Freud]] is listed or a field "inspired.by" where he is listed in a tiddler 
on Carl Jung and so on

Another take on tabs is thinking more along the lines of "board", e.g. 
https://andjar.github.io/TiddlyMenu/board.html

Best,
Anders

søndag 30. mai 2021 kl. 14:13:41 UTC+2 skrev Mat:

> While I didn't use TW as a "Personal Knowledge Management" system, at 
> least not specifically, I'd say the general answer to your question is how 
> direct your access to the data needs to be, and put this in relation to how 
> cluttered you want your UI to be.
>
> For example, I would personally not want a lot of sidebar tabs. But then, 
> if there's something I use a lot, then why not. But if there are *many" 
> things that I use a lot then, again, I wouldn't want them as sidebar tabs. 
> But then, if I could make the sidebar tabs more subtle or e.g hide them so 
> they don't clutter, then I might want them there. But that comes at the 
> cost of the direct access, so... etc. The conclusion is that it's a 
> question of finding a balance and this is a subjective preference. I wish 
> there were be some kind of measurement system that counts the number of 
> times you actually use a feature and then proposes that you should make it 
> more or less prominent in the UI but then what does "use a feature mean"? 
> For example, sometimes it's enough that I *see *a title, not open the 
> tiddler. Obviously no (current) way to measure this.
>
> From a more pragmatic perspective I say; make reasonable guesses for your 
> design, and then master TW. Over time, you'll *modify *your system 
> according to your needs. In addition, I find that my needs shift over time, 
> depending on what I focus on. Consequently my TW's shift. All UI's are 
> compromises. All implementations balance cost-benefit. So the secrete is 
> not to find "the perfect setup" but rather to gain the knowledge how to 
> tweak it.
>
> <:-)
>
>
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 12:57:53 PM UTC+2 Atronoush wrote:
>
>> Recently there were some interesting discussions on better utilizing 
>> Tiddlywiki for Personal Knowledge Management (PKM)
>>
>> Tiddlywiki is an amazing tool, but one quickly lost in the jungle of 
>> tiddlers, tags, tabs, etc...
>> You can easily add tags, tabs, tiddlers, ... Tiddlywiki tends very much 
>> to increase its entropy!
>>
>> Example:
>> I do not know if I should tag *link* anything I find from the internet 
>> and add to my wiki, or tag it as a *reference*?
>> Should I add a sidebar Tab as soon as I have several tiddlers on the same 
>> topic or not?
>>
>> Soren in his Zettelkasten shows some workflow for this! I wish to know 
>> how I can effectively use Tiddlywiki as PKM?
>>
>> - Do you recommend some main tags?
>> - Do you recommend limiting the number of tags? Or the number of tags in 
>> your wiki are more than the number of tiddlers?
>> - Do you recommend categorization?
>> - Do you recommend unlimited use of sidebar tabs or limited?
>>
>> In overall how to have a useful PKM using Tiddlywiki? I am talking general
>>
>> Question: Does using TW as PKM needs some design practice?
>>
>> --Atro
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

PMario wrote:

> TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Tagging posts proved to be not adequate here.
>>
>
> That's right.
>

 Taggery in the short time I been in this group has gone from virtually 
none to "open-house". "Open-house" was good in  a way in that there was 
more frequent usage of tags. But it was "abused" so it was stopped. AND, 
thereafter, taggery here went back to near silence/irrelevance.

It remains an interesting issue, I think. 
Part of the issue with TW is its potential is so VAST that tags can breed 
to infinitude. 
HOW would you delimit tags to a logical set? 
I'm not sure it is even possible?

Questions only. No answers on this one.
TT

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

>
> TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> It is terrible on Search. 
>
> PMario wrote: 

> That's right. ... Most of the time, I have to search for my own name to 
> find threads, where I replied to :/. ... Or I have to filter for "stars". I 
> do "star" every answer or thread, that I think may be interesting in the 
> future for me. ..
>

RIGHT! One THOUGHT I had* (odd as it sounds) *was we might in  TiddlyWiki 
itself make a BETTER search engine/argument for this Google Group than the 
default group search Google provides? GGs take URL arguments for search 
easily, so why don't we think about that more?

I DEFINITELY think that could be worth experimenting with. 

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

PMario wrote ...

> I think, this is a strength here in the group, that questions are 
> answered, even if they have been asked in a slightly different way. ... At 
> least we post a link or two. ... I think this is much more welcoming, than "
> RTFM " ...
>

*I AGREE with that 100%.* The level of PROBLEM SOLVING is very high and 
very friendly in this Google Group.
It is* exceptionally* good.

The PROBLEM is TOMORROW!

You simply can't easily find past solutions because the Search is so POOR.

That is RUINING the potential of this group!
Everything goes down the toilet within days.
 
Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: Your main Tags - Your main Tabs

While I didn't use TW as a "Personal Knowledge Management" system, at least 
not specifically, I'd say the general answer to your question is how direct 
your access to the data needs to be, and put this in relation to how 
cluttered you want your UI to be.

For example, I would personally not want a lot of sidebar tabs. But then, 
if there's something I use a lot, then why not. But if there are *many" 
things that I use a lot then, again, I wouldn't want them as sidebar tabs. 
But then, if I could make the sidebar tabs more subtle or e.g hide them so 
they don't clutter, then I might want them there. But that comes at the 
cost of the direct access, so... etc. The conclusion is that it's a 
question of finding a balance and this is a subjective preference. I wish 
there were be some kind of measurement system that counts the number of 
times you actually use a feature and then proposes that you should make it 
more or less prominent in the UI but then what does "use a feature mean"? 
For example, sometimes it's enough that I *see *a title, not open the 
tiddler. Obviously no (current) way to measure this.

>From a more pragmatic perspective I say; make reasonable guesses for your 
design, and then master TW. Over time, you'll *modify *your system 
according to your needs. In addition, I find that my needs shift over time, 
depending on what I focus on. Consequently my TW's shift. All UI's are 
compromises. All implementations balance cost-benefit. So the secrete is 
not to find "the perfect setup" but rather to gain the knowledge how to 
tweak it.

<:-)

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 12:57:53 PM UTC+2 Atronoush wrote:

> Recently there were some interesting discussions on better utilizing 
> Tiddlywiki for Personal Knowledge Management (PKM)
>
> Tiddlywiki is an amazing tool, but one quickly lost in the jungle of 
> tiddlers, tags, tabs, etc...
> You can easily add tags, tabs, tiddlers, ... Tiddlywiki tends very much to 
> increase its entropy!
>
> Example:
> I do not know if I should tag *link* anything I find from the internet 
> and add to my wiki, or tag it as a *reference*?
> Should I add a sidebar Tab as soon as I have several tiddlers on the same 
> topic or not?
>
> Soren in his Zettelkasten shows some workflow for this! I wish to know how 
> I can effectively use Tiddlywiki as PKM?
>
> - Do you recommend some main tags?
> - Do you recommend limiting the number of tags? Or the number of tags in 
> your wiki are more than the number of tiddlers?
> - Do you recommend categorization?
> - Do you recommend unlimited use of sidebar tabs or limited?
>
> In overall how to have a useful PKM using Tiddlywiki? I am talking general
>
> Question: Does using TW as PKM needs some design practice?
>
> --Atro
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

Ste wrote:

> Just looking at discourse home page it's free but the minimum hosting is 
> $100 a month and they also do free free for open source projects. We is 
> open source. Can we has free? 
> I'm a little confused about what's free and what's worth $100 a month. 
>

I think a far BIGGER issue is "HOW DO WE GET SEVERAL THOUSAND MEMBERS TO 
WANT TO MOVE THERE?" 

Just a comment
TT

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[tw5] Fade-in background image

2021-05-30 Thread Anjar

Hi all,

I tried to make a single tiddler view where the background image changes 
when you change tiddler, and it works 
okay: https://andjar.github.io/TiddlyMenu/lighthouse.html

However, the transitions are a bit harsh, so I wondered if it would be 
possible to add a transition/animation (e.g. fade)? Since CSS seems to be 
restrictive regarding background animation (?), would it be easiest to 
modify zoom.js? Any experiences?

Best,
Anders

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

Ciao PMario

I thought your post interesting and reflective ...

I WOULD upvote it IF I could, which I can't :-)

PMario wrote:

> What is this needed for? -- 
>

It CAN signal EXCELLENCE.
 

> I personally think this is discriminating. 
>

Ermmm. Yes! But it is not like "racism". 
It is an expression of "preference".
 

> Why should my answer be worth more or have a higher "counter" than an 
> answer from someone else? ...
>

*Because you are better? :-) *

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

2021-05-30 Thread Ste

Just looking at discourse home page it's free but the minimum hosting is 
$100 a month and they also do free free for open source projects. We is 
open source. Can we has free? 
I'm a little confused about what's free and what's worth $100 a month. 

On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 12:15:07 UTC+1 PMario wrote:

> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:04:26 AM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> In past discussions, some quite passionate (I wish I could QUOTE from 
>> them, but OF COURSE* I can't find them!  *Lol -:), led to a number of 
>> initiatives.
>> The most significant long-lasting one being TiddlyWiki on REDDIT, still 
>> run by Riz, https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/
>>
>
> I'm sorry to say but for me the UI there is even worse than the UI here. 
> ... And reading threads on other groups at /r/ the "tone" of many posts 
> isn't welcoming. eg: A common answer is: "This has been answered already", 
> go search for it. 
>
> I think, this is a strength here in the group, that questions are 
> answered, even if they have been asked in a slightly different way. ... At 
> least we post a link or two. ... I think this is much more welcoming, than "
> RTFM " ...
>  
>
>> It is terrible on Search. 
>>
>
> That's right. ... Most of the time, I have to search for my own name to 
> find threads, where I replied to :/. ... Or I have to filter for "stars". I 
> do "star" every answer or thread, that I think may be interesting in the 
> future for me. .. 
>  
>
>> Upvote does not exist. 
>>
>
> What is this needed for? -- I personally think this is discriminating. Why 
> should my answer be worth more or have a higher "counter" than an answer 
> from someone else? ... 
>
> On an other platform, that starts with "s" and ends wit "overflow" the 
> best answers for me are usually near the middle or the end of the list. ... 
> Because most of the time, my problem isn't 100% the same to the OT but 
> similar enough to find useful hints. ... 
>
> Why should I risk to answer a question, where I'm not 100% sure if I do 
> get upvotes. ... Why should I risk to get "downvoted" for a "wrong" answer, 
> just because I didn't understand the OT right.
>
> --
>
> I would be OK if the original author _only_ has the possibility to "mark 
> an answer" as "This answer made it work for me" .. OR a general "I found a 
> solution. Thanks for helping me out"
>
> Tagging posts proved to be not adequate here.
>>
>
> That's right.
>
> just my thoughts.
> mario
>

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[tw5] Matter: The simplest Personal Todo list I have ever seen

This is *Matter*

https://hihayk.github.io/matter/

I thought of implementing it in Tiddlywiki! but I see it is simpler!
It uses browser local storage! you can save it to use it offline!


It is very small!

The designer is a genius!!


Best wishes
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

2021-05-30 Thread PMario

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:04:26 AM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

In past discussions, some quite passionate (I wish I could QUOTE from them, 
> but OF COURSE* I can't find them!  *Lol -:), led to a number of 
> initiatives.
> The most significant long-lasting one being TiddlyWiki on REDDIT, still 
> run by Riz, https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/
>

I'm sorry to say but for me the UI there is even worse than the UI here. 
... And reading threads on other groups at /r/ the "tone" of many posts 
isn't welcoming. eg: A common answer is: "This has been answered already", 
go search for it. 

I think, this is a strength here in the group, that questions are answered, 
even if they have been asked in a slightly different way. ... At least we 
post a link or two. ... I think this is much more welcoming, than "RTFM 
" ...

> It is terrible on Search. 
>

That's right. ... Most of the time, I have to search for my own name to 
find threads, where I replied to :/. ... Or I have to filter for "stars". I 
do "star" every answer or thread, that I think may be interesting in the 
future for me. .. 

> Upvote does not exist. 
>

What is this needed for? -- I personally think this is discriminating. Why 
should my answer be worth more or have a higher "counter" than an answer 
from someone else? ... 

On an other platform, that starts with "s" and ends wit "overflow" the best 
answers for me are usually near the middle or the end of the list. ... 
Because most of the time, my problem isn't 100% the same to the OT but 
similar enough to find useful hints. ... 

Why should I risk to answer a question, where I'm not 100% sure if I do get 
upvotes. ... Why should I risk to get "downvoted" for a "wrong" answer, 
just because I didn't understand the OT right.

--

I would be OK if the original author _only_ has the possibility to "mark an 
answer" as "This answer made it work for me" .. OR a general "I found a 
solution. Thanks for helping me out"

Tagging posts proved to be not adequate here.
>

That's right.

just my thoughts.
mario

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[tw5] Your main Tags - Your main Tabs

2021-05-30 Thread Atronoush Parsi

Recently there were some interesting discussions on better utilizing
Tiddlywiki for Personal Knowledge Management (PKM)

Tiddlywiki is an amazing tool, but one quickly lost in the jungle of
tiddlers, tags, tabs, etc...
You can easily add tags, tabs, tiddlers, ... Tiddlywiki tends very much to
increase its entropy!

Example:
I do not know if I should tag *link* anything I find from the internet and
add to my wiki, or tag it as a *reference*?
Should I add a sidebar Tab as soon as I have several tiddlers on the same
topic or not?

Soren in his Zettelkasten shows some workflow for this! I wish to know how
I can effectively use Tiddlywiki as PKM?

- Do you recommend some main tags?
- Do you recommend limiting the number of tags? Or the number of tags in
your wiki are more than the number of tiddlers?
- Do you recommend categorization?
- Do you recommend unlimited use of sidebar tabs or limited?

In overall how to have a useful PKM using Tiddlywiki? I am talking general

Question: Does using TW as PKM needs some design practice?

--Atro

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Re: [tw5] Re: Improve Search in Tiddlywiki

2021-05-30 Thread Atronoush Parsi

Thank you all!

@bimlas
locator is quite powerful! Of course it has a learning curve!

@A Gloom,
Thank you for the link!

On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 9:35 PM bimlas  wrote:

> This can be useful if you use a lot of fields or tags to indicate
> different properties:
>
> Locator provides a universal interface for navigating between your
> tiddlers and searching, filtering them without the need to write filter
> expressions. The plugin contains a table of contents macro and an enhanced
> search engine that contains a visual filter builder to filter results by
> tags and field values. You can organize the tiddlers to any number of
> trees, even by custom fields or links in text. Unlike classic Table of
> Contents, standard search, filter search and list of tags, this plugin
> handles these functions organically.
>
> https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/
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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki running hot on /r/selfhosted

Upvoted!



Best wishes
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki running hot on /r/selfhosted

2021-05-30 Thread Ste

Upvoted! 


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Re: [tw5] Re: Tip and Question - Inline edit of the text field

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 11:18 AM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> I hope you folks will record this somewhere :-)
>
> So many interesting things get lost.
>
> In a WEEK will anyone remember this :-).
>
> Where would you put that solution?
> How would an end-user find it?
> AND, how would they know WHAT to look for?
> I mean how would its FUNCTION/USE CASES be CLASSIFIED/TAGGED?
>

Not for every solution, but those solutions I understand and I like
(unfortunately this is a matter of choice and is not good here), I add a
link in TW-Scripts in the hope that I will find free time later and
document them!


>
> Just a few (slightly annoying) questions :-)
> TT
> On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 06:38:34 UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones
>>
>> Okay, go with this and style as you like or split and add a toolbar button
>>
>> For now
>>
>> 1. create a new tiddler tag it with *$:/tags/ViewTemplate*
>> 2. put the below code inside it (text body)
>>
>> \whitespace trim<$list filter="[all[current]has:field[inline-edit]]">
>>
>> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible"> 
>> {{$:/core/images/edit-button}}<$action-listops $field="inline-edit" 
>> $subfilter="+[toggle[yes],[no]]" />
>>
>> <$list filter="[all[current]inline-edit[yes]]">
>>{{||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body}}
>>
>>
>>
>> Test
>> 1. Create a new tiddler
>> 2. Add an inline-edit field
>> 3. Save and see the button
>>
>>
>> I just changed the checkbox with a button! so you colorize it
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 3:28 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>>
>>> Mohammad,
>>>
>>> I would be happy to do so, however I want to solve the size and coloring
>>> of the checkbox in the view toolbar before doing so. To me the solution
>>> should be easy and simple so people can duplicate it for other. Of course I
>>> can do it via a button, and a display filter and do more.
>>>
>>> That is if I can get coloured checkboxes in the view toolbar I would be
>>> very happy.
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 29 May 2021 at 23:11:55 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:
>>>
 On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 3:47 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. I would like to emphasise a desire to provide
> a "very simple" solution for this commonly asked question.
>
> I concur with your comments and understand buttons vs checkbox, state
> tiddlers vs a flag inside the current tiddler. In this case however the
> tool is for editing the tiddler so I felt it can be kept simple by saving
> in the tiddler.
>
> The cancel button (delete the field) or do you mean "undo" mario? is
> that essential? I can see in a fuller solution it may be simple to store
> the text field before edit in a variable, and if undo is pressed restore 
> it.
>
> I can see your various points captured in a plugin rather than this
> code solution, and I have done this for myself already. I want to refine
> the simple solution if possible.
>
> Mohammad,
>
> In other versions of this I have also had internal and external
> multiline text fields with notes working the same way. Some arising from
> discussions with you (perhaps if I have the right Mohammad perhaps you
> could sign off Mohammad Shiraz?)
>

 Why not distribute this as your first plugin? Put it on GitHub!
 I think this can be used for live nores, sticky notes, ...


> All,
> The fact is if a simple css or html can help me add a tooltip to the
> checkbox and make it look more like a button, while in the toolbar this
> simple solution would be more complete.
>
> Tones
> On Saturday, 29 May 2021 at 02:10:18 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Interesting!
>>
>> This can be used to add comments at the end of tiddler!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:21 PM TW Tones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> OOps
>>>
>>> Also add a tiddler tagged $:/tags/ViewTemplate containing
>>> <$list filter="[all[current]inline-edit[yes]]">
>>>{{||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body}}
>>> 
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>> On Friday, 28 May 2021 at 17:48:02 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
 Folks,

 Having worked with TiddlyWiki for some time, I have managed to get
 a way to edit the text field without going into edit mode. I just went 
 to
 revisit this with a minimal case, and was surprised it worked, in part
 because its easy to share.

 Place the following in a tiddler tagged $:/tags/ViewToolbar
 \whitespace trim
 <$list filter="[all[current]has:field[inline-edit]]">
 <$checkbox field="inline-edit" checked="yes" unchecked="no"
 default="no">
 

 Now any tiddler to which you add the field inline-edit will gain a
 checkbox in the toolbar, allowing you to toggle editing the text in

[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

Ciao Saq,

VERY interesting, thoughtful, post! 
I would UPVOTE it if Google Groups supported upvoting! :-)

>> start building towards something better with tools that help us, rather 
than continuing to struggle to work around the limitations of GG; which 
only seem to be getting worse. 

It is certainly true that changes Google made to Groups in the recent past 
simply *removed functions* without adding anything useful new.
Using it is increasingly *inefficient*.

TBH, I'm not fully sure what the best workable solution is to this REAL 
problem with GG. 

What IS clear is the case for CHANGE is getting much stronger.

Best wishes
TT

On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 11:17:43 UTC+2 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> @TT I've been in this group on and off since 2006. I've seen some if not 
> all of the discussions around GG shortcomings and alternatives.
>
> I've been one of the people previously worried about losing membership if 
> we transitioned away from GG. However especially with the recent GG 
> changes, at this point I think GG is stifling growth and not serving 
> existing members well either. It happens a couple of times a week on 
> average that I lose a long post I was writing to address a users questions 
> because the GG UI glitches out in longer posts.
>
> I think we aren't far off the point - if not already there - where the 
> negatives of staying on GG are outweighing the cost of moving to another 
> platform. 
>
> You mentioned reddit, and it is worth keeping in mind that a lot of the 
> reddit users aren't comfortable using a Google product which is difficult 
> to use without a Google account. A solution with multiple sign in options 
> is a plus in this regard. Another requirements for some users on GG has 
> been being able to subscribe via email. Discourse has pretty robust 
> features in this regard as well which would help with a transition. 
>
> Moving to Discourse isn't going to be a silver bullet. However it would 
> give us the opportunity to start building towards something better with 
> tools that help us, rather than continuing to struggle to work around the 
> limitations of GG; which only seem to be getting worse. 
>
> Regards,
> Saq
>
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:46:22 AM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao ludwa6
>>
>> As I commented to Saq, it can't be just about "is Discourse better?" It 
>> IS. BUT it is not the central issue though.
>> There needs to be DEEP THOUGHT about *HOW you could ever transition* 
>> from here to there without devastating the membership here?
>>
>> FWIW, one BIG UPSIDE with Discourse is that you can logon with GOOGLE 
>> credentials. 
>> Might seem like a small thing, but those small things matter in easing 
>> the case for any potential transfer ...
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2021-05-30 103742.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 10:13:39 UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
>>> I share your pain, @TT... and am +1 @saq's idea about Discourse and how 
>>> to fund it.  
>>>
>>> I for one would be happy to chip in a few $/month to support this 
>>> community, and- from earlier discussion thread @Tones initiated (can't seem 
>>> to find it now; see the problem? :-) -i gather that there be others 
>>> likewise inclined to fund the community somehow, if only we could find an 
>>> equitable way to do so.  As discussed, who or what initiative gets funded, 
>>> and how that gets decided is not a trivial problem... 
>>>
>>> So funding for an improved collaboration infrastructure seems not only 
>>> perfectly equitable, it also solves what must be (if TT & i  are at all 
>>> representative) a problem we all share, and an opportunity for more 
>>> effective collaboration.
>>>
>>> /walt
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:50:46 AM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I would like to see us move to using Discourse 
  for discussions. In particular the search 
 feature is very well implemented.

 Professional hosting ranges $50-100 per month. Personally I think an 
 Open Collective model for where the community chips in with recurring 
 monthly contributions to support that would be a good way to approach it.

 On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:34:37 AM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> This Google Group is OUR main end-user forum. 
>
> There are problems with Google Groups. More recently it was 
> "dumbed-down" by Google. A lot of tools just disappeared. That just made 
> it 
> worse for OUR needs.
>
> And, long term, it has proved to also have NO DECENT MEMORY. 
> Search here is the Total Pits.
>
> WHAT happens as a result of that?
>
> A VERY common pattern that happens daily here is RE-CREATION OF THE 
> WHEEL. 
> GG lacks any easy, structured, way to interrogate the VAST 
> knowledge-base that this GG actually IS. 
> SO, again and again, you see very similar queries come up and be 
> patiently RE-answered.
>
> I thi

[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

@TT I've been in this group on and off since 2006. I've seen some if not 
all of the discussions around GG shortcomings and alternatives.

I've been one of the people previously worried about losing membership if 
we transitioned away from GG. However especially with the recent GG 
changes, at this point I think GG is stifling growth and not serving 
existing members well either. It happens a couple of times a week on 
average that I lose a long post I was writing to address a users questions 
because the GG UI glitches out in longer posts.

I think we aren't far off the point - if not already there - where the 
negatives of staying on GG are outweighing the cost of moving to another 
platform. 

You mentioned reddit, and it is worth keeping in mind that a lot of the 
reddit users aren't comfortable using a Google product which is difficult 
to use without a Google account. A solution with multiple sign in options 
is a plus in this regard. Another requirements for some users on GG has 
been being able to subscribe via email. Discourse has pretty robust 
features in this regard as well which would help with a transition. 

Moving to Discourse isn't going to be a silver bullet. However it would 
give us the opportunity to start building towards something better with 
tools that help us, rather than continuing to struggle to work around the 
limitations of GG; which only seem to be getting worse. 

Regards,
Saq

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:46:22 AM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Ciao ludwa6
>
> As I commented to Saq, it can't be just about "is Discourse better?" It 
> IS. BUT it is not the central issue though.
> There needs to be DEEP THOUGHT about *HOW you could ever transition* from 
> here to there without devastating the membership here?
>
> FWIW, one BIG UPSIDE with Discourse is that you can logon with GOOGLE 
> credentials. 
> Might seem like a small thing, but those small things matter in easing the 
> case for any potential transfer ...
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
> [image: Screenshot 2021-05-30 103742.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 10:13:39 UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:
>
>> I share your pain, @TT... and am +1 @saq's idea about Discourse and how 
>> to fund it.  
>>
>> I for one would be happy to chip in a few $/month to support this 
>> community, and- from earlier discussion thread @Tones initiated (can't seem 
>> to find it now; see the problem? :-) -i gather that there be others 
>> likewise inclined to fund the community somehow, if only we could find an 
>> equitable way to do so.  As discussed, who or what initiative gets funded, 
>> and how that gets decided is not a trivial problem... 
>>
>> So funding for an improved collaboration infrastructure seems not only 
>> perfectly equitable, it also solves what must be (if TT & i  are at all 
>> representative) a problem we all share, and an opportunity for more 
>> effective collaboration.
>>
>> /walt
>>
>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:50:46 AM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to see us move to using Discourse 
>>>  for discussions. In particular the search 
>>> feature is very well implemented.
>>>
>>> Professional hosting ranges $50-100 per month. Personally I think an 
>>> Open Collective model for where the community chips in with recurring 
>>> monthly contributions to support that would be a good way to approach it.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:34:37 AM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
 This Google Group is OUR main end-user forum. 

 There are problems with Google Groups. More recently it was 
 "dumbed-down" by Google. A lot of tools just disappeared. That just made 
 it 
 worse for OUR needs.

 And, long term, it has proved to also have NO DECENT MEMORY. 
 Search here is the Total Pits.

 WHAT happens as a result of that?

 A VERY common pattern that happens daily here is RE-CREATION OF THE 
 WHEEL. 
 GG lacks any easy, structured, way to interrogate the VAST 
 knowledge-base that this GG actually IS. 
 SO, again and again, you see very similar queries come up and be 
 patiently RE-answered.

 I think a much BETTER way would be to leverage off the knowledge 
 accumulated here and direct users first to already EXTANT solutions.

 I'm not sure it is possible. 
 But repetition of the variants on the same question is a waste, I think?

 Just comments
 TT

>>>

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[tw5] TiddlyWiki running hot on /r/selfhosted

2021-05-30 Thread BurningTreeC

Hi there TiddlyWikians,

TiddlyWiki is currently running top place on reddit.com/r/selfhosted :)
We see that on a whole bunch of new github likes

If you find the time, login to reddit and give it a vote to keep the trend 
going ;)

Best wishes, BurningTreeC

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

2021-05-30 Thread ludwa6

I share your pain, @TT... and am +1 @saq's idea about Discourse and how to 
fund it.  

I for one would be happy to chip in a few $/month to support this 
community, and- from earlier discussion thread @Tones initiated (can't seem 
to find it now; see the problem? :-) -i gather that there be others 
likewise inclined to fund the community somehow, if only we could find an 
equitable way to do so.  As discussed, who or what initiative gets funded, 
and how that gets decided is not a trivial problem... 

So funding for an improved collaboration infrastructure seems not only 
perfectly equitable, it also solves what must be (if TT & i  are at all 
representative) a problem we all share, and an opportunity for more 
effective collaboration.

/walt

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:50:46 AM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> I would like to see us move to using Discourse 
>  for discussions. In particular the search 
> feature is very well implemented.
>
> Professional hosting ranges $50-100 per month. Personally I think an Open 
> Collective model for where the community chips in with recurring monthly 
> contributions to support that would be a good way to approach it.
>
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:34:37 AM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> This Google Group is OUR main end-user forum. 
>>
>> There are problems with Google Groups. More recently it was "dumbed-down" 
>> by Google. A lot of tools just disappeared. That just made it worse for OUR 
>> needs.
>>
>> And, long term, it has proved to also have NO DECENT MEMORY. 
>> Search here is the Total Pits.
>>
>> WHAT happens as a result of that?
>>
>> A VERY common pattern that happens daily here is RE-CREATION OF THE 
>> WHEEL. 
>> GG lacks any easy, structured, way to interrogate the VAST knowledge-base 
>> that this GG actually IS. 
>> SO, again and again, you see very similar queries come up and be 
>> patiently RE-answered.
>>
>> I think a much BETTER way would be to leverage off the knowledge 
>> accumulated here and direct users first to already EXTANT solutions.
>>
>> I'm not sure it is possible. 
>> But repetition of the variants on the same question is a waste, I think?
>>
>> Just comments
>> TT
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] My Ongoing Irritations with Google Groups

Ciao saq.i ...

I don't how long you been in this group?

What I do know is regularly, over a few years, the inadequacies of Google 
Groups has be re-hashed several times in serious posts about it.

In past discussions, some quite passionate (I wish I could QUOTE from them, 
but OF COURSE* I can't find them!  *Lol -:), led to a number of initiatives.
The most significant long-lasting one being TiddlyWiki on REDDIT, still run 
by Riz, https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/

*What emerged is the LOGISTICS of fully switching away from  this Google 
Group to a new forum would be VERY complicated and, finally, likely, very 
damaging to the existing membership base. SO, the inertia to change is 
necessarily huge.*

MY query here is really about HOW TO MAKE THE BEST OF WHAT WE HAVE? on 
Google Groups.
BUT, it seems, with additional recent changes by Google to its functioning 
what we have right now is only the FLEETING MOMENT. Meaning, GG is good for 
immediate discussions but NOTHING much else. 
(Basically it is "Usenet" thread format dating back to 1631 :-) 
It is terrible on Search. 
Upvote does not exist. 
Tagging posts proved to be not adequate here.

*WHERE, does that leave us?*
In the same place.
With a forum that throws its own history down the drain every day. :-(

Just comments from a normally sanguine person
TT  
On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 08:50:46 UTC+2 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> I would like to see us move to using Discourse 
>  for discussions. In particular the search 
> feature is very well implemented.
>
> Professional hosting ranges $50-100 per month. Personally I think an Open 
> Collective model for where the community chips in with recurring monthly 
> contributions to support that would be a good way to approach it.
>
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:34:37 AM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> This Google Group is OUR main end-user forum. 
>>
>> There are problems with Google Groups. More recently it was "dumbed-down" 
>> by Google. A lot of tools just disappeared. That just made it worse for OUR 
>> needs.
>>
>> And, long term, it has proved to also have NO DECENT MEMORY. 
>> Search here is the Total Pits.
>>
>> WHAT happens as a result of that?
>>
>> A VERY common pattern that happens daily here is RE-CREATION OF THE 
>> WHEEL. 
>> GG lacks any easy, structured, way to interrogate the VAST knowledge-base 
>> that this GG actually IS. 
>> SO, again and again, you see very similar queries come up and be 
>> patiently RE-answered.
>>
>> I think a much BETTER way would be to leverage off the knowledge 
>> accumulated here and direct users first to already EXTANT solutions.
>>
>> I'm not sure it is possible. 
>> But repetition of the variants on the same question is a waste, I think?
>>
>> Just comments
>> TT
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Understanding Templates, Macros, Etc.