Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
So from my calculations the touch WILL act as a general purpose NAS at 2.65MB/s (from what I have read elsewhere)in all honesty this is quicker than my current NAS which is a WB MBWE (Mk1) so yes things have come on but as long as you dont need the speed then it could be used. If I buy a new NAS (as I also have run out of space so need to invest somewhere)then will the touch built in server be able to access network shares which holds music? although i use the web interface right now its only because its quicker than using ipeng when im at my desk and I have no remote for my receiver but will the touch I will have the IR remote so that's that issue solved. only plugins i use really are iplayer but rarely so not going to be an issue and svr power control which i wont need with the touch Stu -- trouty00 trouty00's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30875 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Purchase Touch
Hi, DOes anyone know if I can buy a Touch now. I know it's not been released yet and I don't mind waiting, but I have the money now and don't want to spend it on anything else and I'm keen to avoid the inrease in VAT at the end of the month in the UK -- tobyjug tobyjug's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72638 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
dave77;495802 Wrote: I wonder if those that pre-ordered in the UK will have to pay 17.5% VAT now, invoice says 15% so hopefully not I guess if they haven't taken your money yet then you have not entered into a contract yet and the vatman will be after 17.5%. if that is true then hopefully Logitech will see sense for those with pre-orders and adjust the pre-VAT price or throw in some freebies. -- Kevint SB3, Boom, Radio Kevint's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any release date set for touch yet?
erland wrote:- Squeezebox Server 7.5 is currently scheduled to late January according to Logitech sources: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showth...107#post494107 Theoretically I think it's possible to still run the Touch towards 7.4.1 but in reality I'm pretty sure Logitech wan't it to support the announced functionality which I believe requires a Squeezebox Server 7.5 release. I'm pretty sure you won't get any official date from Logitech until they are 110% sure they will reach it.- I understand the general logic, but that still isn't an official announcement from Logitech. It is reading a comment about something else by a company person in a forum that probably isn't followed by a very large percentage of the customers and then imputing a conclusion from it. I understand Logitech's general philosophy concerning new products, but the Touch has had some twists and turns in the process that don't normally get public exposure. Once events get to a certain point, continuing to follow the bureaucratic script is rather like an army continuing to follow battle plans that have been uncovered by the enemy and aren't working well. One normally moves to Plan B at that point. Of course, it is Logitech's company to run as they wish, but I'd have to agree with some of the other posts I've read that Logitech isn't doing a very good job with this, especially as relates to their pre-order customers who have been left hanging. Whatever good buzz they got from that is long since gone and they seem content to let it grow more negative by the day. I say that as someone who did not pre-order and have no plans to buy one in the near future. But hunkering down and sticking to the script doesn't strike me as the better PR strategy for them any more. Just my 2 cents. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72159 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any release date set for touch yet?
Maybe we only said this in the beta tester forum, but yes, as of now Touch will not ship until sometime in February. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72159 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
As I understand it if you are invoiced before VAT increases back to 17.5% then you pay the lower 15% rate. It is the invoice date that is important, not the payment date. -- elziko elziko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11835 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
trouty00;495797 Wrote: If I buy a new NAS (as I also have run out of space so need to invest somewhere)then will the touch built in server be able to access network shares which holds music? Not according to the beta testers, it will only access locally mounted disks. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
alfista;495840 Wrote: Not according to the beta testers, it will only access locally mounted disks. hmmm, poor show! not even using the shortcut trick (putting a shortcut to LAN share holding your music on a local sd card say) I'm gonna have to think about this. -- trouty00 trouty00's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30875 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
Andy, on an earlier comment I made, will the touch be able to run as a general NAS albeit not lighting quick? I'm assuming so. And when you say it will make the touch very slow, wheres the bottleneck going to be? I have no idea about the hardware inside the touch but obviously it will use some cpu mem for just being a player and then some for serving out to other players. I'm guessing there is going to be a max number of players that the touch will be able to serve, also you say having the database on the network share will make it slow, I thought the purpose of going to mysql was to get a smaller dbase and surely for some users with smallish collections then the touch will be able to cope right? I do understand that this isnt going to be a supported option but like I say I will be buying a touch on release and would rather not have to buy a new NAS if i dont have too. and why not store the database on a local fast sd card with the music elsewhere? again im assuming this will be dooable via ssh. where is the database located so i can check size of it? cheers Stu -- trouty00 trouty00's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30875 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
iPhone;495863 Wrote: Nobody said the Touch will run or work as an NAS. The Touch is NOT an NAS. An NAS is a box with low power CPU that acts as a file server IE Network Attached Storage. The Touch in TinySC mode currently only recognizes the first drive it sees. On the network, one can transfer files to this attached drive but one can't put a USB hub on Touch and have it scan and use 4 attached drives. Yes one can attach and use a hub with Touch but currently it will only see and scan the first USB drive. Again, if one needs an NAS then build a PC to use as a dedicated Music Server. Or buy something like a Vortexbox Appliance. The Touch using TinySC is a great way to play music from a single USB Drive, Stick, or music brought over by friends for a party. It is not an end all solution for not having a dedicated Music Server or NAS for those with large music collections. The Touch is very versatile but not meant to replace an SBS Server if that is required due to ones library size. If one has under 2 GB of files and wants to use a large USB drive, it will work if a single drive is used. Firstly let me state I'm not trying to cause trouble, I am simply trying to understand the capability's and pro's of cons of configuring the touch in a certain way which I understand is not how its necessarily designed to be used. From what I have read the usb drive you attach you the touch will be available as a samba share so essentially a network file server (IE. NAS) I don't need to use a USB HUB if I took up a 1/2Tb drive to it. I only have about 30Gb of music which I will be using and I would like to use the touch as a one for all device, I dont want to waste money on a vortex box or a NAS if i don't need too and in all honesty i wouldn't use the samba share extensively, just for scheduled backups etc at a time where i wouldn't be using it as a music server. In terms of the remark you make about 2GB's of files, what is the relevance of this figure? again I'm not questioning you or picking holes? I'm purely trying to understand. Cheers Stu -- trouty00 trouty00's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30875 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
I just received an order update from my Dutch shop wifimedia.eu that the Touch is delayed until April (2010). -- MrRalph MrRalph's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22078 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
Hmmm, now I'm curious. Is there a file size limit to the tiny SbS? I was planning to use a touch with 1TB drive holding about 60,000 files at the weekend place. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
MrRalph;495869 Wrote: I just received an order update from my Dutch shop wifimedia.eu that the Touch is delayed until April (2010). In the order update they said they received this info from Logitech. -- verypsb 2x Duet, 1x Boom, 1x Classic verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
trouty00;495868 Wrote: Firstly let me state I'm not trying to cause trouble, I am simply trying to understand the capability's and pro's of cons of configuring the touch in a certain way which I understand is not how its necessarily designed to be used. From what I have read the usb drive you attach you the touch will be available as a samba share so essentially a network file server (IE. NAS) I don't need to use a USB HUB if I took up a 1/2Tb drive to it. I only have about 30Gb of music which I will be using and I would like to use the touch as a one for all device, I dont want to waste money on a vortex box or a NAS if i don't need too and in all honesty i wouldn't use the samba share extensively, just for scheduled backups etc at a time where i wouldn't be using it as a music server. In terms of the remark you make about 2GB's of files, what is the relevance of this figure? again I'm not questioning you or picking holes? I'm purely trying to understand. Cheers Stu Sorry Stu, That was a typo, I meant 2TB worth of files as in the current big USB drives that are not to outrageously prices. I am using a Toshiba 500GB USB powered drive for Touch portable use as in between vehicles and a 1.5TB WD MyBook at home on my office desk. To Garym: I don't know of a file limit that has been reached. One probably exists, but I am using a 1.5TB WD MyBook without issue and I am sure that a 2TB would have no trouble just take a bit longer to scan. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] DACMagic and Touch
ricky;494219 Wrote: Hello, Did you found answer to your question? I am also looking at putting together a new system to stream 24/96 FLAC from my PC wirelessly onto my Audio Amp and SB Touch+magic Dac sounds interesting in the budget range I target...but I could not find information on the improvement from the External DAc versus just hooking the amplifier to the SB Touch internal DAC. From my understanding using the SB touch as WIFI receiver to receive perfect bit stream from 24/96 FLAC played on PC + passthrough the digital out (Toslink?) to an external DAC such as Magic dac seems a good solution...but I am still looking for confirmation. In addition the fuzzy point for me is quality difference between using the internal DAC versus an external one like dacmagic? Eric I use the DAC magic with my SB3 and there it definitely has added value. Much better channel separation and placement but since the DAC of the touch has improved I still wonder if the DAC magic will have enough added value. I can tell you the answer when I have the SB Touch but that won't be until April is the release has been postponed as was announced today by Logitech :-( -- SilverRS8 Author of -'AlbumCatalogCreator' (http://acc.vanholt.nl)- for SqueezeCenter '_' (http://www.badkamerpech.nl) SlimServer. 2xSB3, 1xDuet, 1xiPhone iPeng, Ubuntu NAS + SC, Denon PMA-1500AE + DacMagic + Monitor Audio Silver RS8 = :-) SilverRS8's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12818 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72407 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Purchase Touch
tobyjug;495798 Wrote: Hi, DOes anyone know if I can buy a Touch now. I know it's not been released yet and I don't mind waiting, but I have the money now and don't want to spend it on anything else and I'm keen to avoid the inrease in VAT at the end of the month in the UK There are several suppliers offering them for pre-order in the UK at the moment, as http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=enclient=operarls=enhs=z8Jq=squeezebox+touchcr=countryUK%7CcountryGBum=1ie=UTF-8cid=2476440498151315833ei=5PUnS8ysD9W24QaF27GcDQsa=Xoi=product_catalog_resultct=resultresnum=1ved=0CBIQ8wIwAA#ps-sellers shows. Amazon.com are letting people pre-order them, but none of the European Amazon sites are doing that as far as I can see. I pre-ordered one from the Logitech UK online shop in October just before their 20% discount ended. However it's no longer available for pre-order there, and I'm just hoping they honour those pre-orders despite the delay to February (or April as one European reseller has now mentioned). John -- testmatch testmatch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30954 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72638 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Setup a duet without the remote? On the SB touch screen?
Mnyb;495567 Wrote: A fine example of third party developers being very good for this product line. I'm not sure I understand why this sort of functionality is left to third party devolopers. I'm inclined to think a function as crucial as this should have been implemented and be supported by Logitech. MC -- ModelCitizen Think the third party Squeeze plugins and applets are important? Then 'vote for bug 14194' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14194) so more can be made. Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72580 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
MrRalph;495869 Wrote: I just received an order update from my Dutch shop wifimedia.eu that the Touch is delayed until April (2010). If this turns out to be true someone(s) at Logitech should be fired. This must be the worst ever product launch in commercial history, IMHO, and will be used in management colleges as an example of how it should NOT be done for decades to come - what a shambles, made worse by no one at Logitech prepared to put their head above the barricade and say something official. It's as if no one at Logitech wants to be associated with such a farce and all are hoping that if they ignore it maybe someone else will get involved. With this total lack of leadership on the programme maybe it's no wonder that the launch date seems to be slipping two months every month. One wonders if it will ever get to market. When is Logitech going to announce some real information instead of the non-information that has been issued thus far. -- DaveKen DaveKen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
Hi kesey, This is exactly what I was complaining about - which bit of leaked information/rumour/disinformation should we chose to believe. Somebody has got to crawl out of the long grass at Logitech and say something official that we can all rely on and look forward to with confidence. It leads me to the inevitable conclusion that nobody is really in charge and therefore nobody really knows what is going on - how else could such a situation be allowed to deteriorate to such a depth. And No I don't feel better and I won't until I get a Touch in my hand, or get fed up of being treated like an irrelevance by Logitech and give my money to someone more appreciative of the hand that feeds them. -- DaveKen DaveKen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
What exactly do you want? Here's a Logitech employee, one of the main SBT developers, saying February. Would you feel better if it were someone from marketing saying it? And andyg was careful to qualify his statement with -_as_of_now_ Touch will not ship until sometime in February- [emphasis added]. They might not get the software finished by February, just like they didn't meet the earlier the targets. I'm sure Logitech doesn't want to get beaten up for being late _and_ having major bugs. It's too late to do anything about the former, but they are doing something about the latter. It takes time and they will release it when the software is ready. If you can't accept that level of uncertainty -- and I can see why some people can't -- then maybe you should look elsewhere. Btw, you may have read that a couple months ago Logitech completely reorganized the unit working on SBs. So something is being done about the situation, though we'll have to wait for the B-school case studies to see if it was the right things. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
come on aubuti. as much as I like andy for telling us dates. It shouldn't be his task ! I think all people having preordered deserve a direct information, shouldn't they ? I mean - people ordering at other stores get faster information then people having ordered directly with logitech ? Good management (and this also includes marketing) stands in front of its developers and doesn't use them as cannon fodder -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.4.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Secondary 7.4 Server on Debianized Buffalo Linkstation LS-CHL. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
DaveKen wrote: Third, nothing of what you say alters the basic underlying problem: - why won't someone from Logitech come forward and make some sort of helpful statement - surely bad news is much better than no news at all. I don't understand you guys. AndyG is someone from Logitech, specifically from the Streaming Media Division of Logitech that makes, designs, and sells the SqueezeBoxen including the Touch. You want blood or something? You don't know that Andy works for Logitech and when he says looks like Feb it means Logitech is saying Feb? I know these forums have a lot of new folks lately, but please, get a clue. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
bluegaspode;496033 Wrote: come on aubuti. as much as I like andy for telling us dates. It shouldn't be his task ! I think all people having preordered deserve a direct information, shouldn't they ? I mean - people ordering at other stores get faster information then people having ordered directly with logitech ? Good management (and this also includes marketing) stands in front of its developers and doesn't use them as cannon fodder Yes, I agree, and I've said as much before (see 'post #101 in this very same thread' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=494587#post494587)). If the objective is to get information about release dates, there's the information. If you want to discount it because andyg is a developer then go ahead, but he has a better idea of where things stand than some retailer in Amsterdam. On the other hand, if the objective is to whip Logitech for bungling this, then go ahead. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
You want blood or something? as with many cases, the complaint probably has more to do with the message than who is delivering it. Blaming a person is an easier way of making it seem like the message is something that could actually change in the hands of a more important person. -k ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
kdf wrote: as with many cases, the complaint probably has more to do with the message than who is delivering it. Blaming a person is an easier way of making it seem like the message is something that could actually change in the hands of a more important person. Right, as if a VP of Marketing or some such title actually knows more about when the software will be done than Andyg. The only way that the Marketing folks know that software is done is when the QA/QC folks tell them that it is done now. And the QA/QC folks don't make projections about the future. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
DaveKen;496034 Wrote: Third, nothing of what you say alters the basic underlying problem: - why won't someone from Logitech come forward and make some sort of helpful statement - surely bad news is much better than no news at all. The company, as represented by the shower in charge of this shambles, is showing noithing but absolute content for the most important part of their organisation, namely their customer base. I can readily accept and understand that things don't always go to plan - shit happens - but what I can't understand or accept is that everyone is being left clutching at unofficial or semi official snippets of so called information, the only benefit of which is that it allows Logitech to keep claiming (see many other threads and posts here) that they Logitech, have not let anybody down because they have never officially announced a firm release date - they may be happy with that defence but I (and I suspect many other people) certainly am not. The whole situation is an utter shambles and continues to be made worse by Logitech apologists trying to pretend otherwise, IMHO. and with that, Goodnight :-) Have you tried calling your retailer where you pre-ordered the product ? That would be the logical place for Logitech to make official information available. This is just a community forum where some members of the Logitech team happens to be moderators and members in. If you want a accurate date, you can't get a better one than from one of the lead developers who really knows what's left to do. If you want an official date, you really need to contact the retailer that let you pre-order the product. I suppose this would be some Logitech sales person of some kind. This sales person would also be the logical place to forward your complaints to, but I suppose you have already done this ? -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
DaveKen;496034 Wrote: First aubuti, I had no idea of the identity or position of kesey - as far as I knew he was just another fragment of the information/misinformation supply chain, Second, if Logitech really have re-organised the unit working on SBs, (I wouldn't know and don't really care 'cos it doesn't change anything from a disappointed potential customers viewpoint), it is confirmation that they recognise and accept that things weren't going well. Again, from a disappointed potential customers viewpoint, the reorganisation doesn't appear to have changed anything for the better, as far as I can see. What does that fact itself tell you about Logitech upper management? Third, nothing of what you say alters the basic underlying problem: - why won't someone from Logitech come forward and make some sort of helpful statement - surely bad news is much better than no news at all. The company, as represented by the shower in charge of this shambles, is showing noithing but absolute content for the most important part of their organisation, namely their customer base. I can readily accept and understand that things don't always go to plan - shit happens - but what I can't understand or accept is that everyone is being left clutching at unofficial or semi official snippets of so called information, the only benefit of which is that it allows Logitech to keep claiming (see many other threads and posts here) that they Logitech, have not let anybody down because they have never officially announced a firm release date - they may be happy with that defence but I (and I suspect many other people) certainly am not. The whole situation is an utter shambles and continues to be made worse by Logitech apologists trying to pretend otherwise, IMHO. and with that, Goodnight :-) First, kesey doesn't matter. He was quoting andyg, a Logitech employee. andyg's sig even says Slim Devices Developer or something like that. Second, I have no idea whether the shake up will make things better or worse. It certainly made things worse in the short-term to the extent that people in the trenches spent too much of their time getting re-organized instead of testing, coding, and re-testing. But even if the re-org was a stroke of management genius, it wasn't going to finish the software in one month's time. Third, someone did. See first point above. I agree that there should be something more official, especially emails to those who pre-ordered (see my earlier posts in this thread). But now you have a revised estimate about a release date, from a Logitech employee who knows what is going on. If that's not enough for you, contact the place where you ordered the Touch. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
kdf wrote: Right, as if a VP of Marketing or some such title actually knows more about when the software will be done than Andyg. I think things are in a pretty good state myself, but it is also clear that whatever has been specified as required by the management isn't there yet and that is a major reason for the delay. The only way that the Marketing folks know that software is done is when the QA/QC folks tell them that it is done now. And the QA/QC folks don't make projections about the future. That matches my thinking. There are certainly more steps from finished code changes to the release than there used to be during more fly-by-night days of slimserver. Complaints will always be. If it's a non-leaked immediate release, recent buyers are livid that they weren't warned. If there is no talk of release, posters start complaining that the product line isn't active enough. If devs are spending their time posting, people complain code isn't moving fast enough, etc. In nearly all cases, there will be one or two who will take it to extreme hyperbole. As an interesting aside, I saw an article about the Boeing 787. You know, it's over two years late and I bet that one bit of info could be used as fodder for either side of the complaints (I'm kinda liking that they are taking their time making sure the wings actually stay attached :) -k ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
trouty00;495847 Wrote: hmmm, poor show! not even using the shortcut trick (putting a shortcut to LAN share holding your music on a local sd card say) I'm gonna have to think about this. As Andy mentioned it can actually be done, but you have to do it by hand. SSH into the Touch mount the network share and change the TinySBS configuration file to point at that network drive. The Touch runs Linux so pretty much anything you can do with linux CAN be done, but you have to be willing to be a bit of a linux hacker to do it. The machine does not have unlimited CPU horsepower or memory available so you have to be careful about how much extra stuff you do on it. If you do TOO much the basic core functionality (playing music) might suffer. So if you are willing to manually set things up and live with the limitations of a remote database there is nothing stopping you from doing so. Go for it. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
kdf;496046 Wrote: Complaints will always be. If it's a non-leaked immediate release, recent buyers are livid that they weren't warned. If there is no talk of release, posters start complaining that the product line isn't active enough. If devs are spending their time posting, people complain code isn't moving fast enough, etc. In nearly all cases, there will be one or two who will take it to extreme hyperbole. If it comes out late, people complain that development/qa is too slow. If it comes out early, people complain that not enough development or qa was done. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
On 2009-12-15, at 6:31 PM, snarlydwarf wrote: kdf;496046 Wrote: Complaints will always be. If it's a non-leaked immediate release, recent buyers are livid that they weren't warned. If there is no talk of release, posters start complaining that the product line isn't active enough. If devs are spending their time posting, people complain code isn't moving fast enough, etc. In nearly all cases, there will be one or two who will take it to extreme hyperbole. If it comes out late, people complain that development/qa is too slow. If it comes out early, people complain that not enough development or qa was done. heh. I tend to think of it as until it comes out... and when it comes out... respectively :) -k ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
So if you are willing to manually set things up and live with the limitations of a remote database there is nothing stopping you from doing so. Go for it. Hehe... and if you manage to do a 3rd party applet do wrap it all up in a nice GUI, then your PayPal account might see new heights :-) -- Michael ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
as much as I like andy for telling us dates. It shouldn't be his task That's a nice one... everybody's asking for information. If somebody is giving it, then it's either - bad information - wrong information - wrong person to give the information Get over it, lay back and enjoy the music. -- Michael ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
