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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Are you satified that you are DOing?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm satisfied that you caught my meaning.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 01:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?"Ye compass land and sea" I couldn't have chosen a subject that is more apropoWhy notstate the WHOLE scripture? Remeber that CONTEXT thingy. MT 23:5 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Context HYPOCRITES it is all over the chapter! http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/hypocrite.html HYP'OCRITE, n. 1. One
who feigns to be what he is not; one who has the form of godliness without the power, or who assumes an appearance of piety and virtue, when he is destitute of true religion. And the hypocrite's hope shall perish. Job.8. 2. A dissembler; one who assumes a false appearance. Fair hypocrite, you seek to cheat in vain. Definition from Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language, 1828.Now where were we? O yeah we were discussing preaching from a soapbox with out any resultant ACTION on the part of the preacher. another words saying while not doing. TALK IS CHEAP Would preaching against WMD whilst funding the same thru CPP and Canadian exports of DEPLETED Uranium qualifyas HYPOCRITICAL?
BTW Great Chapter MT 23 here is some more: Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (context saying whilest not DOing?)Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.What are you doing about the
problem? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 7:58:45 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?"Ye compass land and sea" I couldn't have chosen a subject that is more apropo. In a wierd kind of way I suppose, I should thank TT for
continued examples...- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 07:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?I send you link after link on RC's being tried by the International court, you tell me what someone told you. Facts VS Hearsay You choose the latter, is it to protect your RC friends?Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this sampling of repartee is as good as it gets.(oh yah! my ideology can beat up your ideology! ) then, perspectivalism thy name is Truth(?)talk!- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 07:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? FACT- HearsayLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In FACT I have my FACTS straight. My source for my FACTS was in Rwanda. FACT: I've known this person for 15 years. FACT:He is a (non RCC) Christian.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Then why do you blame "Christians" for Rwandan genocide when it was ROMAN CATholics? Get your facts straight.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is
geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Facts are such STUBBORN thingsAre they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG AGAIN Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS. You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

OK I looked where was the fiction? is it possible you do not have a clue?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christine, some are some are not and, yes this one is. The so-called 'rapture' is a theological fiction. Look at the history of William Miller or JNDarby or LaHaye/Jenkins or Clarence Larkin or, or, or...- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 01:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Lance wrote:the rapture is comingIs this a list of ideas that are ridiculous to you? You don't believe the rapture is coming, Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young
earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Facts are such STUBBORN thingsAre they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so
much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:
March 02, 2006 19:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG AGAIN Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS. You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine
convent.I think that means it was those loving catholics again!Same old RC Church as it ever was: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171 an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate HutusCatholic World News: http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=39498Kigali, Sep. 08, 2005 (CWNews.com) - Authorities in Rwanda have arrested a
Belgian Catholic priest on charges related to the genocidal massacres of 1994. http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/tribunals/rwanda/2004/0920priest.htm Father Seromba's trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda will revive heated debate about the role of the Catholic Church during the dark days of 1994. The Catholic hierarchy in Rwanda had close ties to extremist politicians in the run up to the genocide and some priests like Father Seromba are accused of actively assisting the Hutu militias. In 2001, two nuns were found guilty of taking part in the genocide in a Belgian court. The Vatican accepts there are individuals in the church who committed crimes, but controversially, it says the Church as
an institution cannot be held to blame. At the time of the genocide, some 60% of Rwandans were Catholic but some have since converted to Islam, saying the Church failed them in 1994. http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/21165Rwanda was the most Christianized country in Africa and the Roman Catholics were far and away the largest Christian denomination. Catholicism was virtually the official state religion. Catholic officials had enormous influence at both the elite and the grassroots level, which they consistently failed to use to protest against the governments overtly racist policies and practices. Indeed, the Church gave the government moral authority. Once the genocide began, Catholic leaders in the main refused to condemn the government, never used the word
genocide, and many individual priests and nuns actually aided the genocidaires. This is just another show of what happens when the Catholics the Government are in BED TOG$TH$R AbSOLUTE ANNIHILATION whether it was then or now. Call it genocide if you want I call it the TRUE BELIEVER doing service to their 'god' Catholic and Reformed Catholic are just as TOLERANT as the MuslimGENOCIDE IS Roman Catholicism! "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus..." See the HIGHLITES of their HISTORY belowArgument 2d. Experience shows that terror is not effective. I reply, EXPERIE

Re: [TruthTalk] *** Moderator Comment

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

This is to be expected since Lance AVOIDS answering questions and AVOIDS certain subjects. Especially if they are too close to home. In addition since he is not able to deal with the issues at hand, nor able to rationaly discuss such, ALL that is left is the SHOUTING! 'spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Moderator-Yes, you did John: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor. Unless you can prove these above
statements to be true.I am giving you guys lead way to do just that. You have a point concerning where does Ad. Hom begin (eg. To a person directly or to his family)and Kevin had an earlier point of : If it is the truth is it Ad. Hom.(eg. Is calling a Liar a liar Ad.Hom?)? This is a difficult problem to solve so I am now thinking that it is ok to call another a liar if you can prove they are lying or give another good explanation of why you did so. If not one should apologize? Do you think this is fair? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 5:34:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] * Moderator Comment**Dean:Did either of us cross any boundary lines in our engagement? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 18:42 Subject: [TruthTalk] * Moderator Comment** Kevin/Lance Good debate but remember to stay within boundaries of Ad. Hom attacks-which I will set clearly after David M posting of my conduct.I also will addressee the "reply to moderator postings in private" at that time. You have the floor David-Think you can hold onto it? - Original Message - From: Lance
Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 7:58:45 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?"Ye compass land and sea" I couldn't have chosen a subject that is more apropo. In a wierd kind of way I suppose, I should thank TT for continued examples...- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 07:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?I send you link after link on RC's being tried by the International court, you tell me what someone told you. Facts VS Hearsay You choose the latter, is it to protect your RC friends?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this sampling of repartee is as good as it gets.(oh yah! my ideology can beat up your ideology! ) then, perspectivalism thy name is
Truth(?)talk!- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 07:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? FACT- HearsayLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In FACT I have my FACTS straight. My source for my FACTS was in Rwanda. FACT: I've known this person for 15 years. FACT:He is a (non RCC) Christian.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Then why do you blame
"Christians" for Rwandan genocide when it was ROMAN CATholics? Get your facts straight.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.Of course facts
matter and, they are not irrelevant.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Facts are such STUBBORN thingsAre they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG AGAIN Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS. You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Yes I see it now! You mentioned in tour humble opinion all religions are throat slittersWho is your intended victim? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone other than me hear the implicit threat herein? This, DM/CM is that to which I made reference.- Original Message - From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: March 03, 2006 17:34Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? [Original Message] From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Date: 3/1/2006 1:12:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Lance wrote: Believers in all religions are equal
opportunity 'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did not threaten such action. Do I believe, under some circumstance, you capable of it? I do. Christine: If you missed the whole business of our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show up at someone's door in order to do physical violence to them then, ask your dad for an update. It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself incapable of anger that might lead to some form of harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved. Lance, you just don't know who you are talking to. Christine is not capable of this. Ridiculous. Christine has never even met Dean, so why would you even associate her with a comment that Dean made? cd: I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to
me David. I remind you that you do not know me, nor does Lance.I situation Lance is bring up was in sexual reference to my wife who I am told to provide for-which is including protection from evil. David Miller -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for Canada

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

So how do you feel about your supporting the violence? Is the problem that CPP involves YOUR MONEY?Does being the number 7 leading arms dealer OR whatever EXCUSE CANADA FROM YOUR PREACHING? Wherer is the cut off? Number 1 thru 3 are guilty all others get a pass?"largest arms dealer in the world."The really BAD thing is that one major supplier of DEPLETED URANIUM is... and the name Pleazee CANADA! http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=259Itemid=43 Canada Supplies Depleted Uranium for Arms Trade - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for CanadaLance says "WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB)"http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/mons95a.html Canadian arms sales to the Third World: A record year for Team CanadaHow many folks could these kill?http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/monj01b.html Almost 9 BILLION in 1999http://coat.ncf.ca/articles/links/media_release.htm "Canada's 1.25 Billion in Military Sales to Saudi Arabia (1990-1998)" "Human Rights Violations Aided and Abetted by Canadian Arms Sales" "Canada's largest military corporations that are making substantial contributions to the Liberal Party's war chest."http://coat.openconcept.ca/cpp/ Working Canadians must contribute to the
Canada Pension Plan (CPP). ... The CPP has invested at least $2.55 billion in domestic and foreign military corporations, including 15 of the world's top 20 war contractors Are You a contributor?http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=259Itemid=43 Canada Supplies Depleted Uranium for Arms TradeSo your argument basically comes down to whether the leading exporter of WMD or third rate
exporting nations are more legally culpable? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 17:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Wasn't it some kind of Rumor circulating everywhere about something called, Weapons of Mass Destruction?Wonder where the rumor came from? 2Ki 19:7 Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land. Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall
both come [one] year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: As I see events David, you were 'attacked' by neither A or I. As I see it you invaded while uninvited.Is this a stick-your-head-in-the-sand and ignore the facts kind of response, or is this deliberate misinformation and propaganda? Afghanistan was harboring Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda organization since 1996. They were involved in numerous attacks, such as the Tanzania and Kenya U.S. Embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, and the World Trade Center bombing. There are other planned attacks that were thrwarted. When Bush tried to talk to the Afghan gov't, they refused to talk to him directly,
claiming that it would be an insult to Islam for them to talk with a non-Muslim political leader. We gave them a clear ultimatum and way out of avoiding war. They refused to cooperate.Lance wrote: The UN opposed your action.Are you crazy ? The UN Security Council issued a resolution demanding that they close their terrorist camps and hand over Osama bin Laden. We enforced their resolution. Where do you get the notion that the UN OPPOSED our action?David Miller --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for Canada

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Do you see HYPOCRISY in preaching DO as I say not as I do? If WMD are so evil why do you support such with your DOLLAR$$$ (CPP)???Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:So how do you feel about your supporting the violence? Is the problem that CPP involves YOUR MONEY?Does being the number 7 leading arms dealer OR whatever EXCUSE CANADA FROM YOUR PREACHING? Wherer is the cut off? Number 1 thru 3 are guilty all others get a pass?"largest arms dealer in the world."The really BAD thing is that one major supplier of DEPLETED URANIUM is... and the name Pleazee CANADA! http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=259Itemid=43 Canada Supplies Depleted Uranium for Arms Trade - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for CanadaLance says "WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB)"http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/mons95a.html Canadian arms sales to the Third World: A
record year for Team CanadaHow many folks could these kill?http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/monj01b.html Almost 9 BILLION in 1999http://coat.ncf.ca/articles/links/media_release.htm "Canada's 1.25 Billion in Military Sales to Saudi Arabia (1990-1998)" "Human Rights Violations Aided and Abetted by Canadian Arms Sales" "Canada's largest military corporations that are making substantial contributions to the Liberal Party's war chest."
http://coat.openconcept.ca/cpp/ Working Canadians must contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP). ... The CPP has invested at least $2.55 billion in domestic and foreign military corporations, including 15 of the world's top 20 war contractors Are You a contributor?http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=259Itemid=43 Canada
Supplies Depleted Uranium for Arms TradeSo your argument basically comes down to whether the leading exporter of WMD or third rate exporting nations are more legally culpable? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 17:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Wasn't it some kind of Rumor circulating everywhere about something called, Weapons of Mass Destruction?Wonder where the rumor came from? 2Ki 19:7 Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land. Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come [one] year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: As I see events David, you were 'attacked' by neither A or I. As I see it you invaded while uninvited.Is this a stick-your-head-in-the-sand and ignore the facts kind of response, or is this deliberate misinformation and propaganda? Afghanistan was harboring Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda organization since 1996. They were involved
in numerous attacks, such as the Tanzania and Kenya U.S. Embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, and the World Trade Center bombing. There are other planned attacks that were thrwarted. When Bush tried to talk to the Afghan gov't, they refused to talk to him directly, claiming that it would be an insult to Islam for them to talk with a non-Muslim political leader. We gave them a clear ultimatum and way out of avoiding war. They refused to cooperate.Lance wrote: The UN opposed your action.Are you crazy ? The UN Security Council issued a resolution demanding that they close their terrorist camps and hand over Osama bin Laden. We enforced their resolution. Where do you get the notion that the UN OPPOSED our action?David Miller --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do
not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

O so it was a State sanctioned attack. Interesting... You say we should be at war with the nation of Saudi Arabia?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get
rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 6:06:55 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Or Dean, if some foreign nation, say the United States of America, invaded your sovereign territory, killing thousands of your women and children..??You illustrate my point to Christine well, Dean. Thanks Dean. I appreciate this, Dean.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 17:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/1/2006 11:32:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Christine:If you missed the whole business of our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show up at someone's door in order to do physical violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself incapable of anger that might lead to some form of harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved. Any response to the balance of the email?Lance cd: Lance lets keep this in context. Is some man asked my wife about her sex life in detail I would be at their door. My wife is put under my protection by God himself andI will preformthat duty.That was involved in our earlier discussion that you are bring up.Answer this Lance-If some sodomite was molesting yourunderage son and the Police failed to act what would you do? Or if some rapist broke into you house and was attacking your wife would you defend her with violence?- Original
Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 01, 2006 11:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Lance wrote:Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did not threaten such action. Do I believe, under some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.I am grieved that you believe me capable of such actions.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good Afternoon/Morning Christine:Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did not threaten such action. Do I believe, under some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.All speech, Christine, is heard by God. IFO do not believe that US troops ought to be in Afghanistan, Iraq or, in a number of other locations.I therefore believe that you (USA) generate some of the violence that ensues.IFO believe a variation on the former
applies to some of the actions taken by you, your dad and, some others on some occasions.IFO recognize the plurality on TT and, can live with it. I believe God embraces this plurality globally.Follow your conscience, Christine and, take to heart the words of Gamaliel in Acts 5:38,39.- Original Message - From: Christine
Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 28, 2006 16:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? I'm sorry Lance, I must have missed the part where I threatened to slit your throat

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Lance,Are you a believer/pacifist?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Sure Dean, "I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me, David'. Given your history Dean, I actually interpreted this as an implicit threat. No kidding Dean, once a person, in this case you, has shown a capacity for violence (thus my remark later to DM/CM as an example of violence issuing from a believer - something they seemed to believe impossible) I'm alert to the possibility of it once again. OK?- Original Message - From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: March 04, 2006 10:57Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd: Please explain this remark Lance? [Original
 Message] From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:  Date: 3/4/2006 6:14:53 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Can anyone other than me hear the implicit threat herein? This, DM/CM is that to which I made reference. - Original Message -  From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:  Sent: March 03, 2006 17:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? [Original Message]  From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To:   Date: 3/1/2006 1:12:39 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?   Lance
 wrote:   Believers in all religions are equal opportunity   'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did   not threaten such action. Do I believe, under   some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.   Christine: If you missed the whole business of   our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show   up at someone's door in order to do physical   violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.   It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself   incapable of anger that might lead to some form of   harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved.   Lance, you just don't know who you are talking to. Christine is not  capable  of this.
 Ridiculous. Christine has never even met Dean, so why would  you  even associate her with a comment that Dean made?  cd: I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me David. I  remind  you that you do not know me, nor does Lance.I situation Lance is bring up  was in sexual reference to my wife who I am told to provide for-which   is  including protection from evil.   David Miller   --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you   may  know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to 
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Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Those WICKED WICKED WICKED ETHNOcentric White Anglo saxon protestants!In the case of Muslims do you consider severing heads "culture"? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First Dean, that was not the point of my reference. What does it say of you that your mind would go to that part of the film? I showed someone the trailer yesterday so as to demonstrate the clash of cultures.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 11:20 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:33:05 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentanceWhy is that Kevin? Did you see the film? cd:Lance why are you answering my post as to" Kevin" and Kevin's posts as to "Dean"? Yes I have seen both "Deliverance" (Burt Reynolds)-it was filmed a couple of miles from my house- and "Lord of War"(Nich. Cage).And as to your suggest-we do not have sex with pigs-so cut it out!- Original Message - From:
Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 07:38 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance cd: Lance, I reject what you are suggesting. People from Canada that speak this way will only hurt their own Nation -in time. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 5:53:28 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentanceYou can take the (wo)man out of the south butAnyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 01:25 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentanceDo you have a reference for us concerningthese cages Luther used? see following BUT Keep in mind these guys were first REFORMED Catholics (eg REFORMERS one and all) who later converted to Anabaptism in addition in their later lives they got involved in polygamy. You can take the man out of Roman Catholicism, it is much harder to take the Roman Catholicism out of the man!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Knipperdolling From June 24 - 25, 1535, the Bishop, with the aid of the deserter Henry Gresbeck, retook Münster. Knipperdolling,
Bockelson and Bernhard Krechting were imprisoned and interrogated. In On January 22, 1536, Knipperdolling, Krechting, and Bockelson were publicly tortured and executed in Münster. Their corpses were suspended in a cage from the Lambertuskirche (St. Lambert's Church), which had been the initial focus of the Anabaptist revolution.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:[Original Message] From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Date: 2/26/2006 11:58:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentancecd wrote: Judy did you know that M.Luther had Street Preachers put in oversize bird
cages and hung up in the church even on Sunday morning while he and his followers worshiped God. I hope you understand that not all Anabaptists were good streetpreachers. Some of them were polygamists who did not recognize the marriage contractof Lutherans or Roman Catholics. Do you have a reference for us concerning these cages Luther used?cd:To my understanding the Street Preachers Luther had put in bird cageswere not polygamist-they preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. But if that ishow a Christian is suppose to act then should I take a cage with me on mynext trip (Lord willing) to Salt Lake City and grab the nearest Mormon Isee crossing the street with two wives and put him in the cage and hang himup in the Wesleyan Church and maybe my brethren will think highly of mealso? My reference for this statement is Ron Mcrae-while a Anabaptist- heis not a polygamist.Do you have the
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Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

."If one doesn't fear hell/sin then why would one feel the need to be saved "IMAGINE" that Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:33:47 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhandEven JE would not wish for this sermon to be his epitaph, Dean. cd: There is support for every word of this sermon in the Bible and many came to God for salvation due to fear of God.I will be so bold as to say this "If Godly fear does not exist then I would doubt a person's salvation."If one doesn't fear hell/sin then why would one feel the need to be saved from hell as the word "Salvation" correctly implies. Consider the below-asI do not believe youcan incorporate any of the below biblical teachings of Jesus into your religion-If you can show me and I will show you differently: Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Mat 10:9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, Mat 10:10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. Mat 10:11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. Mat 10:12 And when ye come into a house, salute it. Mat 10:13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return
to you. Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto
you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in FONT color=#ff size=3the day of judgment, than for that city. Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you
in that same hour what ye shall speak. Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. Mat 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy b oth soul and body in hell. Mat 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. Mat 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Mat 10:31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. Mat 10:32 Whosoever
therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is
in heaven. Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Mat 10:36 And a man's
foes shall be they of his own household. Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. Mat 10:39 He that
findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. Mat 10:41 He

Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Dean is not taking a position just to be contraire to you. he honestly disagrees with what you say. Not just a clash of cultures maybe truth vs error.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, you assure me that no matter what I might say you will show me differently. Of course you will, Dean. That's the very point I've been making all along, Dean. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 11:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:33:47 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhandEven JE would not wish for this sermon to be his epitaph, Dean. cd: There is support for every word of this sermon in the Bible and many came to God for salvation due to fear of God.I will be so bold as to say this "If Godly fear does not exist then I would doubt a person's salvation."If one doesn't fear hell/sin then why would one feel the need to be saved from hell as the word "Salvation" correctly implies. Consider the below-asI do not believe youcan incorporate any of the below biblical teachings of Jesus into your religion-If you can show me and I will show you differently: Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Mat 10:9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, Mat 10:10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. Mat 10:11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. Mat 10:12 And when ye come into a house, salute it. Mat 10:13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return
to you. Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto
you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in FONT color=#ff size=3the day of judgment, than for that city. Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you
in that same hour what ye shall speak. Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. Mat 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy b oth soul and body in hell. Mat 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. Mat 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Mat 10:31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. Mat 10:32 Whosoever
therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is
in heaven. Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Mat 10:36 And a man's
foes shall be they of his own household. Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or

Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for Canada

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

why not? Is this not a clear violation of MT 23?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 11:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for CanadaDo you see HYPOCRISY in preaching DO as I say not as I do? If WMD are so evil why do you support such with your DOLLAR$$$ (CPP)???Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:So how do you feel about your supporting the violence? Is the problem that CPP involves YOUR MONEY?Does being the number 7 leading arms dealer OR whatever EXCUSE CANADA FROM YOUR PREACHING? Wherer is the cut off? Number 1 thru 3 are guilty all others get a pass?"largest arms dealer in the world."
The really BAD thing is that one major supplier of DEPLETED URANIUM is... and the name Pleazee CANADA! http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=259Itemid=43 Canada Supplies Depleted Uranium for Arms Trade - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for CanadaLance says "WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB)"http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/mons95a.html Canadian arms sales to the Third World: A record year for Team CanadaHow many folks could these kill?http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/monj01b.html Almost 9 BILLION in 1999http://coat.ncf.ca/articles/links/media_release.htm "Canada's 1.25 Billion in Military Sales to Saudi Arabia (1990-1998)" "Human Rights
Violations Aided and Abetted by Canadian Arms Sales" "Canada's largest military corporations that are making substantial contributions to the Liberal Party's war chest."http://coat.openconcept.ca/cpp/ Working Canadians must contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP). ... The CPP has invested at least $2.55 billion in domestic and foreign military corporations, including 15 of the world's top 20 war contractors Are You a contributor?http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=259Itemid=43 Canada Supplies Depleted Uranium for Arms TradeSo your argument basically comes down to whether the leading exporter of WMD or third rate exporting nations are more legally culpable? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 17:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Wasn't it some kind of Rumor circulating everywhere about something called, Weapons of Mass Destruction?Wonder where the rumor came from? 2Ki 19:7 Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land. Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come [one] year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: As I see events David, you were 'attacked' by neither A or I. As I see it you invaded while uninvited.Is this a stick-your-head-in-the-sand
and ignore the facts kind of response, or is this deliberate misinformation and propaganda? Afghanistan was harboring Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda organization since 1996. They were involved in numerous attacks, such as the Tanzania and Kenya U.S. Embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, and the World Trade Center bombing. There are other planned attacks that were thrwarted. When Bush tried to talk to the Afghan gov't, they refused to talk to him directly, claiming that it would be an insult to Islam for them to talk with a non-Muslim political leader. We gave them a clear ultimatum and way out of avoiding war. They refused to cooperate.Lance wrote: The UN opposed your action.Are you crazy ? The UN Security Council issued a resolution demanding that they close their terrorist camps and hand over Osama bin Laden. We enforced their resolution. Where do you get the notion that the UN OPPOSED our
action?David Miller --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Yahoo!
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

OK DEAN!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y'all should read with a bit more care. I said no such thing. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 11:39
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?O so it was a State sanctioned attack. Interesting... You say we should be at war with the nation of Saudi Arabia?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed
without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 6:06:55 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Or Dean, if some foreign nation, say the United States of America, invaded your sovereign territory, killing thousands of your women and children..??You illustrate my point to
Christine well, Dean. Thanks Dean. I appreciate this, Dean.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 17:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/1/2006 11:32:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Christine:If you missed the whole business of our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show up at someone's door in order to do physical violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself incapable of anger that
might lead to some form of harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved. Any response to the balance of the email?Lance cd: Lance lets keep this in context. Is some man asked my wife about her sex life in detail I would be at their door. My wife is put under my protection by God himself andI will preformthat duty.That was involved in our earlier discussion that you are bring up.Answer this Lance-If some sodomite was molesting yourunderage son and the Police failed to act what would you do? Or if some rapist broke into you house and was attacking your wife would you defend her with violence?- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 01, 2006 11:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Lance wrote:Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did not threaten such action. Do I believe, under some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.I am grieved that you believe me capable of such actions.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good Afternoon/Morning Christine:Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did not threaten such action. Do I believe, under some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.All speech, Christine, is heard by God. IFO do not believe that US troops ought to be in Afghanistan, Iraq or, in a number of other locations.I therefore believe that you (USA) generate some of the violence that
ensues.IFO believe a variation on the former applies to some of the actions taken by you, your dad and, some others on some occasions.IFO recognize the plurality on TT and, can live with it. I believe God embraces this plurality globally.Follow your conscience, Christine and, take to heart the words

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

just a clash of cultures right? http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=114704This is not culture, it is WICKED It is not PEACE it is the exact orders ofMohammed. This is real Islam in practice STONING.Warning! This is an extremely sick and disgusting punishment, and thus watching this video can make you weak or possibly give you nausea and shock for several days. Please do not watch if you are weak-hearted. http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm
Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?That (those)
foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean. cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and
continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 6:06:55 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Or Dean, if some foreign nation, say the United States of America, invaded your sovereign territory, killing thousands of your women and children..??You illustrate my point to Christine well, Dean. Thanks Dean. I appreciate this, Dean.
- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 17:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/1/2006 11:32:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Christine:If you missed the whole business of our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show up at someone's door in order to do physical violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself incapable of anger that might lead to some form of harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be
grieved. Any response to the balance of the email?Lance cd: Lance lets keep this in context. Is some man asked my wife about her sex life in detail I would be at their door. My wife is put under my protection by God himself andI will preformthat duty.That was involved in our earlier discussion that you are bring up.Answer this Lance-If some sodomite was molesting yourunderage son and the Police failed to act what would you do? Or if some rapist broke into you house and was attacking your wife would you defend her with violence?- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 01, 2006 11:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Lance wrote:Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did not threaten such action. Do I believe, under some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.I am grieved that you believe me capable of such actions.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good Afternoon/Morning Christine:Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters',

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

So you agree with stoning a 13 year old girl for Dancing at a wedding  I have never heard you ever say one thing about those barbarians.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  How interesting is the American love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?*Lord of War- Original Message -   From: Dean Moore   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 04, 2006 11:42  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message -   From: Lance Muir   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.  cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they
 repent.- Original Message -   From: Dean Moore   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?  cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their
 actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't
 though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it?  - Original Message -   From: Lance Muir   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: 3/3/2006 6:06:55 PM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Or Dean, if some foreign nation, say the United States
 of America, invaded your sovereign territory, killing thousands of your women and children..??You illustrate my point to Christine well, Dean. Thanks Dean. I appreciate this, Dean.- Original Message -   From: Dean Moore   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 03, 2006 17:30  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
 'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message -   From: Lance Muir   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: 3/1/2006 11:32:40 AM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Christine:If you
 missed the whole business of our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show up at someone's door in order to do physical violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself incapable of anger that might lead to some form of harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved.  Any response to the balance of the email?Lance  cd: Lance lets keep this in context. Is some man asked my wife about her sex life in detail I would be at their door. My wife is put under my protection by God himself andI will preformthat duty.That was involved in our earlier discussion that you are bring up.Answer this Lance-If some sodomite was molesting
 yourunderage son and the Police failed to act what would you do? Or if some rapist broke into you house and was attacking your wife would you defend her with violence?- Original Message -   From: Christine Miller   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 01, 2006 11:22  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?  Lance wrote:Believers in all religions are equal
 opportunity 'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did not threaten such action. Do I believe, under some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.I am grieved that you believe me capable of such actions.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Good Afternoon/Morning Christine:Believers in all religions are equal

Re: [TruthTalk] Welcome to Lances Film Fantasy Talk List

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Who did that subject line that is FUNNY!Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good to see you back Izzy, judytOn Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:26:19 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:First Dean, that was not the point of my reference. What does it say of you that your mind would go to that part of the film? I showed someone the trailer yesterday so as to demonstrate the clash of cultures.From: Lance Muir Why is that Kevin? Did you see the film? cd:Lance why are you answering my post as to" Kevin" and Kevin's posts as to "Dean"? Yes I have seen both "Deliverance" (Burt Reynolds)-it was filmed a couple of miles from my house- and "Lord of War"(Nich. Cage).And as to your suggest-we do not have sex with pigs-so cut it out!From: Dean Moore cd: Lance, I reject what you are suggesting. People from Canada that speak this way will only hurt their own Nation -in time. From: Lance Muir You can take the (wo)man out of the south but....Anyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?From: Kevin Deegan
Do you have a reference for us concerningthese cages Luther used? see following BUT Keep in mind these guys were first REFORMED Catholics (eg REFORMERS one and all) who later converted to Anabaptism in addition in their later lives they got involved in polygamy. You can take the man out of Roman Catholicism, it is much harder to take the Roman Catholicism out of the man!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Knipperdolling From June 24 - 25, 1535, the Bishop, with the aid of the deserter Henry Gresbeck, retook Münster. Knipperdolling, Bockelson and Bernhard Krechting were imprisoned and interrogated. In On January 22, 1536, Knipperdolling, Krechting, and Bockelson were publicly tortured and executed in
Münster. Their corpses were suspended in a cage from the Lambertuskirche (St. Lambert's Church), which had been the initial focus of the Anabaptist revolution.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:[Original Message] From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Date: 2/26/2006 11:58:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentancecd wrote: Judy did you know that M.Luther had Street Preachers put in oversize bird cages and hung up in the church even on Sunday morning while he and his followers worshiped God. I hope you understand that not all Anabaptists were good streetpreachers. Some of them were polygamists who
did not recognize the marriage contractof Lutherans or Roman Catholics. Do you have a reference for us concerning these cages Luther used?cd:To my understanding the Street Preachers Luther had put in bird cageswere not polygamist-they preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. But if that ishow a Christian is suppose to act then should I take a cage with me on mynext trip (Lord willing) to Salt Lake City and grab the nearest Mormon Isee crossing the street with two wives and put him in the cage and hang himup in the Wesleyan Church and maybe my brethren will think highly of mealso? My reference for this statement is Ron Mcrae-while a Anabaptist- heis not a polygamist.Do you have the source that these people Lutherprosecuted by hanging in cages were Anabaptist polygamist? David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you mayknow how you ought to
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Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for Canada

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

According to some... ARMS control will solve our problems Please don't touch those stones they are needed in the middle east and maybe in your neighborhood soon.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 6:15:23 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for CanadaYes. Comments Dean? cd:I thought I had recognized the wording a couple of posts back. Over look the drugs/sex and you have a good start for an utopian society by controlling/stopping weapon trade-problem is Satan is still in the world-weaken yourself and he will stomp your guys out all over the sidewalk.I lived that love all life at one time and got stomped and learned thatthe root of bitterness can harm a believer-the hard way.Now I love- with wisdom- to all by speaking of Christ as God has helped me do,and some I love at a distance thru prayer.Sadly there is a lot of truth in the movie, Lance. Think on this without
Christ setting up his Kingdom here-violence will alway-without exception- rule.Take the A.K. away from the sheep and mutton is on the menus.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 18:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for Canada
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 7:05:31 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for CanadaThe 5 largest dealers of arms are the 5 permanent members of the UN security council. It's not difficult to verify. Take a wild guess which nation is numero uno? cd: Lance have you been watching the arms dealer movie 'Lord of War"?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for CanadaLance says "WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint
(GWB)"http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/mons95a.html Canadian arms sales to the Third World: A record year for Team CanadaHow many folks could these kill?http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/monj01b.html Almost 9 BILLION in 1999http://coat.ncf.ca/articles/links/media_release.htm "Canada's 1.25 Billion in Military Sales to Saudi Arabia (1990-1998)"
"Human Rights Violations Aided and Abetted by Canadian Arms Sales" "Canada's largest military corporations that are making substantial contributions to the Liberal Party's war chest."http://coat.openconcept.ca/cpp/ Working Canadians must contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP). ... The CPP has invested at least $2.55 billion in domestic and foreign military corporations, including 15 of the world's top 20 war contractors Are You a contributor?http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=259Itemid=43 Canada Supplies Depleted Uranium for Arms TradeSo your argument basically comes down to whether the leading exporter of WMD or third rate exporting nations are more legally culpable? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 17:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Wasn't it some kind of Rumor circulating everywhere about something called, Weapons of Mass Destruction?Wonder where the rumor came from? 2Ki 19:7 Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land. Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come [one] year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: As I see events David, you were 'attacked' by neither A or I. As I see it you invaded while
uninvited.Is this a stick-your-head-in-the-sand and ignore the facts kind of response, or is this deliberate misinformation and propaganda? Afghanistan was harboring Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda organization since 1996. They were involved in numerous attacks, such as the Tanzania and Kenya U.S. Embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, and the World Trade Center bombing. There are other planned attacks that were thrwarted. When Bush tried to talk to the Afghan gov't, they refused to talk to him directly, claiming that it would be an insult to Islam for them to talk with a non-Muslim political leader. We gave them a clear ultimatum and way out of avoiding war. They refused to cooperate.Lance wrote: The UN opposed your action.Are you crazy ? The UN Security Council issued a resolution demanding that they close their terrorist camps and hand over

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

I am afraid you will not get an answer since their is no accountability in wild accusations and no bearing false witness rule!Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   [Original Message] From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:  Date: 3/4/2006 11:17:31 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Sure Dean, "I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me,David'.  Given your history Dean, I actually interpreted this as an implicitthreat.  No kidding Dean, once a person, in this case you, has shown a capacityfor  violence (thus my remark later to DM/CM as an example of violence issuing  from a believer - something they seemed to believe impossible) I'm alertto  the
 possibility of it once again. OK?cd; A little twisting of truth-to your favor-and play it to the hilt-huh,Lance?Tell me what violence have you ever seen me do? - Original Message -  From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:  Sent: March 04, 2006 10:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?  cd: Please explain this remark Lance?[Original Message]  From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To:   Date: 3/4/2006 6:14:53 AM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?   Can anyone other than me hear the implicit threat herein? This, DM/CMis  that to which I made reference.  - Original Message -   From: "Dean
 Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To:   Sent: March 03, 2006 17:34  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?   [Original Message]   From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   To:    Date: 3/1/2006 1:12:39 PM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Lance wrote:Believers in all religions are equal opportunity'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, didnot threaten such action. Do I believe, undersome circumstance, you capable of it? I do. 
   Christine: If you missed the whole business ofour 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to showup at someone's door in order to do physicalviolence to them then, ask your dad for an update.It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourselfincapable of anger that might lead to some form ofharm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved. Lance, you just don't know who you are talking to. Christine is not   capable   of this. Ridiculous. Christine has never even met Dean, so whywould   you   even associate her with a comment that Dean made?   cd: I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me David. I
   remind   you that you do not know me, nor does Lance.I situation Lance isbring  up   was in sexual reference to my wife who I am told to providefor-whichis   including protection from evil. David Miller --   "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that youmay   know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If youhavea   friend who wants to join, tell him to send an
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Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Sorry Lance is temporarily busy investing in WMD via CPPDean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 11:39:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand
'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, you assure me that no matter what I might say you will show me differently. Of course you will, Dean. That's the very point I've been making all along, Dean. cd: aah, but we can support what we say with the word of God Lance-can you?By the way this is what you group did to Judy, Lance-How does it feel to have a group of debaters pressing you at one time?I suspect David will help you out soon.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 11:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:33:47 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhandEven JE would not wish for this sermon to be his epitaph, Dean. cd: There is support for every word of this sermon in the Bible and many came to God for salvation due to fear of God.I will be so bold as to say this "If Godly fear does not exist then I would doubt a person's salvation."If one doesn't fear hell/sin then why would one feel the need to be saved from hell as the word "Salvation" correctly implies. Consider the below-asI do not believe youcan incorporate any of the below biblical teachings of Jesus into your religion-If you can show me and I will show you differently: Mat 10:7 And as
ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Mat 10:9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, Mat 10:10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. Mat 10:11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. Mat 10:12 And when ye come into a house, salute it. Mat 10:13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house
or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in lt; FONT color=#ff size=3the day of judgment, than for that
city. Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. Mat 10:19 But when they deliver
you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father
the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. Mat 10:25 It is
enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. Mat 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy b oth soul and body in hell.
Mat 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. Mat 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Mat 10:31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Mat 10:34
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Re: [TruthTalk] * To all list members-ModeratorComment*****

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Why not do something about Drunk driving? or would that cut into government profits? There were 16,694 alcohol-related fatalities in 2004 more than US deaths in Iraq Why are road blocks never set up in the bar district?Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you, but I would not blame all tradition (which is what religion is, ultimately, no?). Religion has become been used for evil because man is evil. It's like the old adage about whether or not guns kill people, or people kill people. But just because the answer is "people" does not necessarily mean that you shouldn't put some restictions on the process for purchasing a fire arm. The problem with religion (and also gun control) is that man would still be evil, even without religion and
guns.But I agree with what you have written, Lance. :-) Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were 'religion' to be characterized as (wo)man's self-generated effort at redemption then, I'd say that it IS responsible for much of the evil in the world. Religion is very big in church.- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 18:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** G, the lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God, no consequences for our actions. It's also based on the false idea that man has no fallen nature. And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature. Religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of evil in history and today. Do it in the name of God
and you have a special type of defense. But we must recognize the religion isn't evil, tradition isn't evil, man is. That idea is the foundation of our gospel. Man is fallen and needs a savior. Lennon's song refutes that foundation and appeals to man's desire to deceive himself and to lay the blame for our sinful state on someone else, in this case, all religion.Do you disagree?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd: Listen to the words G. - Original Message -
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against Godhow so, Bro?---for ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will
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Re: [TruthTalk] * To all list members-ModeratorComment*****

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. It must be something really perceptive, because I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post. I would heartily appreciate some mediation and perspective if you are willing to share it, Lance. What did Gary mean?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do believe that the G-man is meaning something far more perceptive than that.- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 00:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***
G wrote:meanwhile, pls give that critique, below,somecritique when its convenient--perhapsyou'll benefit initially more from listening to yourself rather thanbattlingan old goat like me? So, you disagree with my assessment, but don't want to talk about it?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C, can youfind out ifcd'splanning tosend us to Abu Grabforconversing like this in one of his threads?(maybe ask your Dad to filibusterfor a few days till we're finished:)meanwhile, pls give that critique, below,somecritique when its convenient--perhapsyou'll benefit initially more from listening to yourself rather thanbattlingan old goat like meOn Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:27:11 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:the [Lennon] lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

I have been praying for you too.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it?- Original Message -   From: Dean Moore   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 04, 2006 14:37  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message -   From: Lance Muir   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?How interesting is the American love for the
 destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?*Lord of War  cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your world view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have thelight of understanding.- Original Message -   From: Dean Moore   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 04, 2006 11:42  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message -   From: Lance Muir   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM   Subject: Re:
 [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.  cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.- Original
 Message -   From: Dean Moore   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?  cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful
 Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it?   
   - Original Message -   From: Lance Muir   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: 3/3/2006 6:06:55 PM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Or Dean, if some foreign nation, say the United States of America, invaded your sovereign territory, killing thousands of your women and children..??You illustrate my point to Christine well, Dean. Thanks Dean. I appreciate this, Dean.- Original Message -   From: Dean Moore   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 03, 2006 17:30  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message -   From: Lance Muir   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: 3/1/2006 11:32:40 AM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Christine:If you missed the whole business of our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show up at someone's door in order to do physical violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.It may be that you, IMO wrongly,
 believe yourself incapable of anger that might lead to some form of harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved.  Any response to the balance of the email?Lance  cd: Lance lets keep this in context. Is some man asked my wife about her sex life in detail I would be at their door. My wife is put under my protection by God himself andI will preformthat duty.That was involved in our earlier discussion that you are bring up.Answer this Lance-If some sodomite was molesting yourunderage son and the Police failed to act what would you do? Or if some rapist broke into you house and was attacking your wife would you defend her with violence?- Original Message -

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

KD what color is your car?  LANCE Monday was!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Bonhoeffer was.- Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 04, 2006 15:20  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Lance,Are you a believer/pacifist?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Sure Dean, "I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me, David'. Given your history Dean, I actually interpreted this as an implicit threat. No kidding Dean, once a person, in this case you, has shown a capacity for violence (thus my remark later to DM/CM as an example of violence issuing from a believer - something they seemed to believe impossible) I'm alert to the possibility of it once again. OK?- Original Message - From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: March 04, 2006
 10:57Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd: Please explain this remark Lance? [Original Message] From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Date: 3/4/2006 6:14:53 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Can anyone other than me hear the implicit threat herein? This, DM/CM is that to which I made reference. - Original Message -  From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 03, 2006 17:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? [Original Message]  From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>
  Date: 3/1/2006 1:12:39 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?   Lance wrote:   Believers in all religions are equal opportunity   'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did   not threaten such action. Do I believe, under   some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.   Christine: If you missed the whole business of   our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show   up at someone's door in order to do physical   violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.   It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself   incapable of anger that might lead to some form of   harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved.
   Lance, you just don't know who you are talking to. Christine is not  capable  of this. Ridiculous. Christine has never even met Dean, so why would  you  even associate her with a comment that Dean made?  cd: I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me David. I  remind  you that you do not know me, nor does Lance.I situation Lance is bring up  was in sexual reference to my wife who I am told to provide for-which   is  including protection from evil.   David Miller   --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you   may  know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) 
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Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Why not CONTEXTUALIZE Matt 23?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I contextualize you guys when reading you so, why wouldn't I do so with them?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 15:23 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentanceThose WICKED WICKED WICKED ETHNOcentric White Anglo saxon protestants!In the case of Muslims do you consider severing heads "culture"? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First Dean, that was not the point of my reference. What does it say of you that your mind would go to that part of the film? I showed someone the trailer yesterday so as to demonstrate the clash of cultures.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 11:20 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:33:05 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentanceWhy is that Kevin? Did you see the film? cd:Lance why are you answering my post as to" Kevin" and Kevin's posts as to "Dean"? Yes I have seen both "Deliverance" (Burt Reynolds)-it was filmed a couple of miles from my house- and "Lord of War"(Nich. Cage).And as to your suggest-we do not have sex with pigs-so cut it out!- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 07:38 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance cd: Lance, I reject what you are suggesting. People from Canada that speak this way will only hurt their own Nation -in time. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 5:53:28 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentanceYou can take the (wo)man out of the south butAnyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 01:25 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentanceDo you have a reference for us concerningthese cages Luther used? see following BUT Keep in mind these guys were first REFORMED Catholics (eg REFORMERS one and all) who later converted to Anabaptism in addition in their later lives they got involved in polygamy. You can take the man out of Roman Catholicism, it is much harder to take the Roman Catholicism out of the man!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Knipperdolling
From June 24 - 25, 1535, the Bishop, with the aid of the deserter Henry Gresbeck, retook Münster. Knipperdolling, Bockelson and Bernhard Krechting were imprisoned and interrogated. In On January 22, 1536, Knipperdolling, Krechting, and Bockelson were publicly tortured and executed in Münster. Their corpses were suspended in a cage from the Lambertuskirche (St. Lambert's Church), which had been the initial focus of the Anabaptist revolution.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:[Original Message] From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Date: 2/26/2006 11:58:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance RE:
[TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentancecd wrote: Judy did you know that M.Luther had Street Preachers put in oversize bird cages and hung up in the church even on Sunday morning while he and his followers worshiped God. I hope you understand that not all Anabaptists were good streetpreachers. Some of them were polygamists who did not recognize the marriage contractof Lutherans or Roman Catholics. Do you have a reference for us concerning these cages Luther used?cd:To my understanding the Street Preachers Luther had put in bird cageswere not polygamist-they preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. But if that ishow a Christian is suppose to act then should I take a cage with me on mynext trip (Lord willing) to Salt Lake City and grab the nearest Mormon Isee crossing the street with two wives and put him in the cage and hang himup in the Wesleyan Church and maybe
my brethren will think highly of mealso? My reference for this statement is Ron Mcrae-while a Anabaptist- heis not a polygamist.Do you have the source that these people Lutherprosecuted by hanging in cages were Anabaptist polygamist? David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you mayknow how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Luther never had the courage of his convictions. Apparently there were no convictions as far as his theology of civIl magistrates  the Church - States,rule on morals  conscience.  The bible says a Double minded man is unstable in all his ways!In the beginning of his Reformation work, he said:  "No one can command or ought to command the soul except God, who alone can show it the way to heaven. It is futile and impossible to command, or by force to compel any mans belief. Heresy is a spiritual thing, which no iron can hew down, no fire burn, no water drown Whenever the temporal power presumes to legislate for the soul, it encroaches."Later, iIn writing how dissenting preachers should be dealt with, he advised:  "Since it is not good that in one parish the people should be exposed to contradictory preaching, he [the magistrate] should order to be
 silent whatever does not consist with the Scriptures."Luther made his appeal to the civil ruler as the final judge and arbiter of truth, (rather than scripture) and believed that heretics should be delivered to the civil magistrate for punishment. When the Anabaptists in the lands of the Reformation taught the doctrine of immersion as the proper Scriptural mode of baptism, and proclaimed infant baptism as utterly useless and without divine authority, the great Protestant Reformers applied the whip, the sword, the torch, the firebrand, as well as fines, confiscation of property, and the dungeon cell to these dissenters. When the Protestant sects resorted to the civil authorities to punish heresy, it was merely a case of religious tyranny changing hands under a new religious regime. Reformed Catholics believe in capital punishment for the crime of BELIEF in believers baptism. Interestingly NONE of the 95 THESES
 adressed the RC Church - State!  Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In writing to Menius and Myconius in 1530, Martin Luther favored applying the sword to the Anabaptists. He said:"I am pleased that you intend to publish a book against the Anabaptists as soon as possible. Since they are not only blasphemous, but also seditious men, let the sword exercise its rights over them, for it is the will of God that he shall have judgment who resisteth the power."Calvin said godly princes may lawfully issue edicts, for compelling obstinate and rebellious persons to worship the true God, and to maintain the unity of the faith; for, though
 faith is voluntary, yet we see that such methods are useful for subduing the obstinacy of those who will not yield until they are compelled Compare to this:The magistrate is not by virtue of his office to meddle with religion, or matters of conscience, to force or compel men to this or that form of religion, or doctrine; but to leave Christian religion free, to every mans con-science, and to handle only civil transgressions.- McGlothlin, Baptist Confession of Faith, p. 82. published in 1614Baptist Leonard Busher, A Citizen of London, which was presented to King James and the high court of Parliament then sitting, a work entitled, Religions Peace, or A
 Plea for Liberty of Conscience. For all good shepherds will divide and separate, and not force, slay, and persecute, Busher declared. Kings and magistrates are to rule temporal affairs by the swords of their temporal kingdoms, and bishops and ministers are to rule spiritual affairs by the word and Spirit of God, the sword of Christs spiritual kingdom, and not to inter-meddle one with anothers authority, office, and function. And it is a great shame for the bishops and ministers not to be able to rule in their church without the assistance of the king and magistrate; yea, it is a great sign they are none of Christs bishops and ministers. If they were, they would not be afraid nor ashamed of their faith; nor yet would they persuade princes and people to persecute, and force one another to believe them; but would use only the assistance of Gods word and Spirit, and therewith suffer their faith and doctrine to be examined, proved,
 and disputed, both by word and writing.Tracts on Liberty of Conscience, p. 23.Baptist, John Murton, in 1615, wrote a treatise entitled, Persecution for Religion Judged and Condemned, and presented it to the king of England, No man ought to be persecuted for his religion, be it true or false, so they testify their faithful allegiance to the king. What authority can any mortal man require more, than of body, goods, life, and all that appertaineth to the outward man? The heart God requireth.Id., pp. 95, 108.John Smyth, in exile, wrote, "The prince must leave the Christian religion free to every man's conscience." Roger Williams labeled the violation of conscience by the civil power The Bloudy Tenent of Persecution for Cause of
 Conscience. "Heresy must be cut off with the sword of the Spirit," not "the sword of the magistrat

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

There really is a LOT of truth in the saying "Liberalism is a mental disorder"Some folks say love your neigfhbor Others Eat them What persuasion are you?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 15:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?just a clash of cultures right? http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=114704This is not culture, it is WICKED It is not PEACE it is the exact orders ofMohammed. This is real Islam in practice STONING.Warning! This is an extremely sick and disgusting punishment, and thus watching this video can make you weak or possibly give you nausea and shock for several days. Please do not watch if you are weak-hearted. http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean. cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they
repent.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their
actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't
though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 6:06:55 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Or Dean, if some foreign nation, say the United States
of America, invaded your sovereign territory, killing thousands of your women and children..??You illustrate my point to Christine well, Dean. Thanks Dean. I appreciate this, Dean.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 17:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/1/2006 11:32:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Christine:If you
missed the whole business of our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show up at someone's door in order to do physical violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself incapable of anger that might lead to some form of harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved. Any response to the balance of the email?Lance cd: Lance lets keep this in context. Is some man asked my wife about her sex life in detail I would be at their door. My wife is put under my protection by God himself andI will preformthat duty.That was involved in our earlier discussion that you are bring up.Answer this Lance-If some sodomite was molesting
yourunderage son and the Police failed to act what would you do? Or if some rapist broke into you house and was attacking your wife would you defend her with violence?- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 01, 2006 11:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Lance wrote:Believ

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

WAIT Lance you left out Charles Taze Russell Harold Camping! Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do Christine but, these are not synonymous. Are they?- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:
March 04, 2006 14:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Wait a minute. You don't believe Jesus is returning?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christine, some are some are not and, yes this one is. The so-called 'rapture' is a theological fiction. Look at the history of William Miller or JNDarby or LaHaye/Jenkins or Clarence Larkin or, or, or...- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 01:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Lance wrote:the rapture is comingIs this a list of ideas that are ridiculous to you? You don't believe the rapture is coming, Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Facts
are such STUBBORN thingsAre they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG AGAIN Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS. You play
real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.I think that means it was those loving catholics again!Same old RC Church as it ever was: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171 an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate HutusCatholic World News: http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=39498Kigali, Sep. 08, 2005 (CWNews.com) - Authorities in Rwanda have arrested a Belgian Catholic priest on charges related to the genocidal massacres of 1994. http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/tribunals/rwanda/2004/0920priest.htm Father Seromba's trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda
will revive heated debate about the role of the Catholic Church during the dark days of 1994. The Catholic hierarchy in Rwanda had close ties to extremist politicians in the run up to the genocide and some priests like Father Seromba are accused of actively assisting the Hutu militias. In 2001, two nuns were found guilty of taking part in the genocide in a Belgian court. The Vatican accepts there are individuals in the church who committed crimes, but controversially, it says the Church as an institution cannot be held to blame. At the time of the genocide, some 60% of Rwandans were Catholic but some have since converted to Islam, saying the Church failed them in 1994. http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/21165Rwanda was the most Christianized country in Africa and the Roman Catholics were far and away the largest Christian denomination. Catholicism was virtually the official state religion. Catholic officials had enormous influence at both the elite and the grassroots level, which they consistently failed to use to protest against the governments overtly racist policies and practices. Indeed, the Church gave the government moral authority. Once the genocide began, Catholic leaders in the main refused to condemn the government, never used the word genocide, and many individual priests and nuns actually aided the genocidaires. This is just another show of what happens when the Catholics the Government are in BED TOG$TH$R AbSOLUTE ANNIHILATION whether it was then or now. Call it
genocide if you want I call it the TRUE BELIEVER doing service to their 'god' Catholic and Reformed Catholic

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Pro 14:25 A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful [witness] speaketh lies. I would then conclude you are just as IMMORAL as the Muslims who stoned that 13 year old for dancing. As guilty as the people who lived in the trailer where jessica Lunsford was held for days and abused before she was buried alive with her teddy bear. They did not open their mouths. Even though they did not engage their hands inthe abuse or murder, they have blood on their hands thru silence. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/09/national/main687002.shtml Mat 23:3-4 All therefore whatsoever they bid you
observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers. Jer 21:12 O house of David, thus saith the LORD; Execute judgment in the morning, and deliver [him that is] spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor, lest my fury go out like fire, and burn that none can quench [it], because of the evil of your doings. Hsa 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel:
for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because [there is] no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. IS 59 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid [his] face from you, that he will not hear. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness. None calleth for justice, nor [any] pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the North American 'religious' barbarians that concern me just now. I 'bin in too many churches ya know.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 15:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
So you agree with stoning a 13 year old girl for Dancing at a wedding I have never heard you ever say one thing about those barbarians.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How interesting is the American love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?*Lord of War- Original Message -
From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 11:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean. cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of
course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then
that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia
attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it? - Original Message - From

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'EVIL' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Changing the subject lineKevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Pro 14:25 A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful [witness] speaketh lies. I would then conclude you are just as IMMORAL as the Muslims who stoned that 13 year old for dancing. As guilty as the people who lived in the trailer where jessica Lunsford was held for days and abused before she was buried alive with her teddy bear. They did not open their mouths. Even though they did not engage their hands inthe abuse or murder, they have blood on their hands thru silence. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/09/national/main687002.shtml Mat 23:3-4 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers. Jer 21:12 O house of David, thus saith the LORD; Execute judgment in the morning, and deliver [him that is] spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor, lest my fury go out like fire, and burn that none
can quench [it], because of the evil of your doings. Hsa 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because [there is] no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. IS 59 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid [his] face from you, that he will not hear. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
None calleth for justice, nor [any] pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the North American 'religious' barbarians that concern me just now. I 'bin in too many churches ya know.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 15:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?So you agree with stoning a 13 year old girl for Dancing at a wedding I have never heard you ever say one thing about those barbarians.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How interesting is the American love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?*Lord of War- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 11:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean. cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ
we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the
face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'EVIL' of truthtalk?

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Jam 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.Silence in the face of evil and injustice is the same as approval Silence on the part of "good" Muslims is Consent to Evilhttp://www.danielpipes.org/comments/26616  And now we have a muslim upset with the cartoons indiscriminately attempt to kill because other muslims were killed by rioting muslims upset with the cartoons Paper  ink sends into a frenzy but it is just culture to indiscriminately butcher by severing heads. http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4585396nav=5kZQ  The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.  Albert Einstein:The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but   because of those who
 look on and do nothing.  Hannah Arendt: The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil.  Leonardo da Vinci: He who does not punish evil, commands it to be done.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Changing the subject lineKevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pro 14:25 A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful [witness] speaketh lies. I would then conclude you are just as IMMORAL as the Muslims who stoned that 13
 year old for dancing. As guilty as the people who lived in the trailer where jessica Lunsford was held for days and abused before she was buried alive with her teddy bear. They did not open their mouths. Even though they did not engage their hands inthe abuse or murder, they have blood on their hands thru silence.  http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/09/national/main687002.shtml  Mat 23:3-4 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers. Jer 21:12 O house of David, thus saith the LORD; Execute judgment in the morning, and deliver [him that is] spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor, lest my fury go out like fire, and burn that none can quench [it], because of the evil of your doings. Hsa 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because [there is] no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. IS 59 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy,
 that it cannot hear: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid [his] face from you, that he will not hear. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness. None calleth for justice, nor [any] pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  It's the North American 'religious' barbarians that concern me just now. I 'bin in too many churches ya know.- Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 04, 2006 15:50  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?So you agree with stoning a 13 year old girl for Dancing at a wedding  I have never heard you ever say one thing about those barbarians.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
How interesting is the American love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?*Lord of War- Original Message -   From: Dean Moore   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March
 04, 2006 11:42  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message -   From: Lance Muir   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?That (those) foreign
 country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.  cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.- Original Message -   From: Dean Moore   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?  cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their

Re: [TruthTalk] Militarizing Mayberry

2006-03-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Just saw the video of the latest police beating in the news Are all the police beatings, lately,desensitizing peopleto the violent images?Wasn't the moto "Serve Protect" should it now be "we beat the tar out of people"Isn't this the natural result of the Militarizing of Police and the increase in the number of swat/paramilitary? http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclientie=UTF-8rls=GGLC,GGLC:1969-53,GGLC:enq=police%20beatingsa=Ntab=wnhttp://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-050es.html According to a recent academic survey, nearly 90 percent of the police departments surveyed in
cities with populations over 50,000 had paramilitary units, as did 70 percent of the departments surveyed in communities with populations under 50,000. The Pentagon has been equipping those units with M-16s, armored personnel carriers, and grenade launchers. The police paramilitary units also conduct training exercises with active duty Army Rangers and Navy SEALs. State and local police departments are increasingly accepting the military as a model for their behavior and outlook. The sharing of training and technology is producing a shared mindset. The problem is that the mindset of the soldier is simply not appropriate for the civilian police officer. Police officers confront not an "enemy" but individuals who are protected by the Bill of Rights. http://www.progress.org/archive/fold121.htm The Federalized Militarized Police http://home.att.net/~bob.wallace/militarypolice.html
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

Facts are such STUBBORN thingsAre they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG AGAIN Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS. You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html Rwandan nuns were
convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.I think that means it was those loving catholics again!Same old RC Church as it ever was: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171 an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate HutusCatholic World News: http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=39498Kigali, Sep. 08, 2005 (CWNews.com) - Authorities in Rwanda have arrested a Belgian Catholic priest on charges related to the genocidal massacres of 1994. http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/tribunals/rwanda/2004/0920priest.htm Father Seromba's trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda will revive heated debate about the role of the Catholic Church during the dark days of 1994. The Catholic hierarchy in Rwanda had close ties to extremist politicians in the run up to the genocide and some priests like Father Seromba are accused of actively assisting the Hutu militias. In 2001, two nuns were found guilty of taking part in
the genocide in a Belgian court. The Vatican accepts there are individuals in the church who committed crimes, but controversially, it says the Church as an institution cannot be held to blame. At the time of the genocide, some 60% of Rwandans were Catholic but some have since converted to Islam, saying the Church failed them in 1994. http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/21165Rwanda was the most Christianized country in Africa and the Roman Catholics were far and away the largest Christian denomination. Catholicism was virtually the official state religion. Catholic officials had enormous influence at both the elite and the grassroots level, which they consistently failed to use to protest against the governments overtly racist
policies and practices. Indeed, the Church gave the government moral authority. Once the genocide began, Catholic leaders in the main refused to condemn the government, never used the word genocide, and many individual priests and nuns actually aided the genocidaires. This is just another show of what happens when the Catholics the Government are in BED TOG$TH$R AbSOLUTE ANNIHILATION whether it was then or now. Call it genocide if you want I call it the TRUE BELIEVER doing service to their 'god' Catholic and Reformed Catholic are just as TOLERANT as the MuslimGENOCIDE IS Roman Catholicism! "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus..." See the HIGHLITES of their HISTORY
belowArgument 2d. Experience shows that terror is not effective. I reply, EXPERIENCE PROVES THE CONTRARYFOR THE DONATISTS, MANICHEANS, AND ALBIGENSES WERE ROUTED, AND ANNIHILATED BY ARMS. -- Robert Bellarmine, Disputationes de Controversiis, Tom. ii, Lib. III, cap. XXII, "Objections Answered," 1682 edition. http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/estimates.doc St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre of 24 August 17 September 1572, Catholics killed many Huguenots in Paris other towns: estimated total death toll of 70,000
Roman Catholic Ustaa 1941 to 1943, the regime slaughtered at least (estimates range up to 1 million) 250,000 Serb residents of Croatia and Bosnia, and more than 20,000 Jews. 1941-JUL-22, Dr. Mile Budak, the Ustaa Minister of Education and Cults, said: "The movement of the Ustashi is based on religion. For minorities-Serbs, Jews and Gypsies, we have three million bullets. We shall kill one part of the Serbs. We shall transport another, and the rest of them will be forced to embrace the Roman Catholic religion. Thus, our new Croatia will get rid of all Serbs in our midst in order to become one hundred percent Catholic within ten years."
Inquisition: It has been estimated by careful and reputed historians of the Catholic Inquisition that 50 million people were slaughtered for the crime of "heresy" by Roman persecutors between the A.D. 606 and the middle of the 19th century. By their ow

Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for Canada

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

Lance says "WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB)"http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/mons95a.html Canadian arms sales to the Third World: A record year for Team CanadaHow many folks could these kill?http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/monj01b.html Almost 9 BILLION in 1999http://coat.ncf.ca/articles/links/media_release.htm "Canada's 1.25 Billion in Military Sales to Saudi Arabia (1990-1998)" "Human Rights Violations Aided and Abetted by Canadian Arms Sales" "Canada's largest military corporations that are making substantial contributions to the Liberal Party's war chest."http://coat.openconcept.ca/cpp/ Working Canadians must contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP). ... The CPP has invested at least $2.55 billion in domestic and foreign military corporations, including 15 of the world's top 20 war contractors Are You a contributor?http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=259Itemid=43 Canada Supplies Depleted Uranium for Arms TradeSo your argument basically comes down to whether the leading exporter of WMD or third rate exporting nations are more legally culpable? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB) ----- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 17:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Wasn't it some kind of Rumor circulating
everywhere about something called, Weapons of Mass Destruction?Wonder where the rumor came from? 2Ki 19:7 Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land. Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come [one] year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lance wrote: As I see events David, you were 'attacked' by neither A or I. As I see it you invaded while uninvited.Is this a stick-your-head-in-the-sand and ignore the facts kind of response, or is this deliberate misinformation and propaganda? Afghanistan was harboring Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda organization since 1996. They were involved in numerous attacks, such as the Tanzania and Kenya U.S. Embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, and the World Trade Center bombing. There are other planned attacks that were thrwarted. When Bush tried to talk to the Afghan gov't, they refused to talk to him directly, claiming that it would be an insult to Islam for them to talk with a non-Muslim political leader. We gave them a clear ultimatum and way out of avoiding war. They refused to cooperate.Lance
wrote: The UN opposed your action.Are you crazy? The UN Security Council issued a resolution demanding that they close their terrorist camps and hand over Osama bin Laden. We enforced their resolution. Where do you get the notion that the UN OPPOSED our action?David Miller --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

Then why do you blame "Christians" for Rwandan genocide when it was ROMAN CATholics? Get your facts straight.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.Of course facts matter and, they are
not irrelevant.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Facts are such STUBBORN thingsAre they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG AGAIN Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS. You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine
convent.I think that means it was those loving catholics again!Same old RC Church as it ever was: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171 an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate HutusCatholic World News: http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=39498Kigali, Sep. 08, 2005 (CWNews.com) - Authorities in Rwanda have
arrested a Belgian Catholic priest on charges related to the genocidal massacres of 1994. http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/tribunals/rwanda/2004/0920priest.htm Father Seromba's trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda will revive heated debate about the role of the Catholic Church during the dark days of 1994. The Catholic hierarchy in Rwanda had close ties to extremist politicians in the run up to the genocide and some priests like Father Seromba are accused of actively assisting the Hutu militias. In 2001, two nuns were found guilty of taking part in the genocide in a Belgian court. The Vatican accepts there are individuals in the church who committed crimes, but controversially, it says
the Church as an institution cannot be held to blame. At the time of the genocide, some 60% of Rwandans were Catholic but some have since converted to Islam, saying the Church failed them in 1994. http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/21165Rwanda was the most Christianized country in Africa and the Roman Catholics were far and away the largest Christian denomination. Catholicism was virtually the official state religion. Catholic officials had enormous influence at both the elite and the grassroots level, which they consistently failed to use to protest against the governments overtly racist policies and practices. Indeed, the Church gave the government moral authority. Once the genocide began, Catholic leaders in the main refused to condemn the government, never
used the word genocide, and many individual priests and nuns actually aided the genocidaires. This is just another show of what happens when the Catholics the Government are in BED TOG$TH$R AbSOLUTE ANNIHILATION whether it was then or now. Call it genocide if you want I call it the TRUE BELIEVER doing service to their 'god' Catholic and Reformed Catholic are just as TOLERANT as the MuslimGENOCIDE IS Roman Catholicism! "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus..." See the HIGHLITES of their HISTORY belowArgument 2d. Experience shows that terror is not effective. I reply, EXPERIENCE PROVES THE CONTRARYFOR THE DONATISTS, MANICHEANS, AND ALBIGENSES WERE
ROUTED, AND ANNIHILATED BY ARMS. -- Robert Bellarmine, Disputationes de Controversiis, Tom. ii, Lib. III, cap. XXII, "Objections Answered," 1682 edition. http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/estimates.doc St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre of 24 August 17 September 1572, Catholics killed many Huguenots in Paris other towns: estimated total death toll of 70,000 Roman Catholic Ustaa 1941 to 1943, the regime slaught

Re: [TruthTalk] Anti semites in FRANCE

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

This happened in FRANCE  http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395477657pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull  the murderers who took such apparent pleasure and felt such pride in the fact that for 20 days they tortured their Jewish hostage to death. IT WAS A FRENCH NEIGHBORHOOD PARTY!Nidra Poller related in Thursday's Wall Street Journal, "One of the most troubling aspects of this affair is the probable involvement of relatives and neighbors, beyond the immediate circle of the gang [of kidnappers], who were told about the Jewish hostage and dropped in to participate in the torture." http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/28/news/france-5806826.php  "It was disgusting to see a man eating, laughing and speaking of murder like it was the weather," Szpiner said in a telephone interview. "Of course they were scandalized. But it's very interesting because we can see this man without any morality. No sense of compassion and no humanity. He was like a man who goes to the stock exchange and said, 'I lost some money.'"   
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

FACT- HearsayLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In FACT I have my FACTS straight. My source for my FACTS was in Rwanda. FACT: I've known this person for 15 years. FACT:He is a (non RCC) Christian.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Then why do you blame "Christians" for Rwandan genocide when it was ROMAN CATholics? Get your facts straight.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of
womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Facts are such STUBBORN thingsAre they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG AGAIN Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS. You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.I think that means it was those loving catholics again!Same old RC Church as it ever was: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171 an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the massacres, in which Hutus
murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate HutusCatholic World News: http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=39498Kigali, Sep. 08, 2005 (CWNews.com) - Authorities in Rwanda have arrested a Belgian Catholic priest on charges related to the genocidal massacres of 1994. http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/tribunals/rwanda/2004/0920priest.htm Father Seromba's trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda will revive heated debate about the role of the Catholic Church during the dark days of 1994. The Catholic hierarchy in Rwanda had close ties to extremist politicians in the run up to the genocide and some priests like Father Seromba are accused of actively
assisting the Hutu militias. In 2001, two nuns were found guilty of taking part in the genocide in a Belgian court. The Vatican accepts there are individuals in the church who committed crimes, but controversially, it says the Church as an institution cannot be held to blame. At the time of the genocide, some 60% of Rwandans were Catholic but some have since converted to Islam, saying the Church failed them in 1994. http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/21165Rwanda was the most Christianized country in Africa and the Roman Catholics were far and away the largest Christian denomination. Catholicism was virtually the official state religion. Catholic officials had enormous influence at both the
elite and the grassroots level, which they consistently failed to use to protest against the governments overtly racist policies and practices. Indeed, the Church gave the government moral authority. Once the genocide began, Catholic leaders in the main refused to condemn the government, never used the word genocide, and many individual priests and nuns actually aided the genocidaires. This is just another show of what happens when the Catholics the Government are in BED TOG$TH$R AbSOLUTE ANNIHILATION whether it was then or now. Call it genocide if you want I call it the TRUE BELIEVER doing service to their 'god' Catholic and Reformed Catholic are just as TOLERANT as the MuslimGENOCIDE IS Roman Catholicism! "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints,
and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus..." See the HIGHLITES of their HISTORY belowArgument 2d. Experience shows that terror is not effective. I reply, EXPERIENCE PROVES THE CONTRARYFOR THE DONATISTS, MANICHEANS, AND ALBIGENSES WERE ROUTED, AND ANNIHILATED BY ARMS. -- Robert Bellarmi

Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for Canada

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

Like they say in the schoolyard "people who live in glass houses should not throw stones"Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Do you contribute to CPP and thereby FUND WMD?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 5 largest dealers of arms are the 5 permanent members of the UN security council. It's not difficult to verify. Take a wild guess which nation is numero uno?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for CanadaLance says "WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB)"http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/mons95a.html Canadian arms sales to the Third World: A record year for Team CanadaHow many folks could these kill?http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/monj01b.html Almost 9 BILLION in 1999http://coat.ncf.ca/articles/links/media_release.htm "Canada's 1.25 Billion in Military Sales to Saudi Arabia (1990-1998)" "Human Rights
Violations Aided and Abetted by Canadian Arms Sales" "Canada's largest military corporations that are making substantial contributions to the Liberal Party's war chest."http://coat.openconcept.ca/cpp/ Working Canadians must contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP). ... The CPP has invested at least $2.55 billion in domestic and foreign military corporations, including 15 of the world's top 20 war contractors Are You a contributor?http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=259Itemid=43 Canada Supplies Depleted Uranium for Arms TradeSo your argument basically comes down to whether the leading exporter of WMD or third rate exporting nations are more legally culpable? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 17:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Wasn't it some kind of Rumor circulating everywhere about something called, Weapons of Mass Destruction?Wonder where the rumor came from? 2Ki 19:7 Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land. Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come [one] year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: As I see events David, you were 'attacked' by neither A or I. As I see it you invaded while uninvited.Is this a stick-your-head-in-the-sand
and ignore the facts kind of response, or is this deliberate misinformation and propaganda? Afghanistan was harboring Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda organization since 1996. They were involved in numerous attacks, such as the Tanzania and Kenya U.S. Embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, and the World Trade Center bombing. There are other planned attacks that were thrwarted. When Bush tried to talk to the Afghan gov't, they refused to talk to him directly, claiming that it would be an insult to Islam for them to talk with a non-Muslim political leader. We gave them a clear ultimatum and way out of avoiding war. They refused to cooperate.Lance wrote: The UN opposed your action.Are you crazy? The UN Security Council issued a resolution demanding that they close their terrorist camps and hand over Osama bin Laden. We enforced their resolution. Where do you get the notion that the UN OPPOSED our
action?David Miller --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for Canada

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

OK I see your point Americans have killed more innocent folks than you Canadians so only us Americans are GUILTY cause we killed at least twice as many innocent folks as you.Do you support the war machine with your CPP funds?Why is it that people can get so worked up over others immorality but can not see there own. I think it is because it is easy to be offended over some social issue, just because it is NOT close to home. It costs nothing to correct OTHERS immorality. You seem to have Moralized your politics and Politicized your morals! Morality is the responsibility of others.. Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy
brother's eye. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 5 largest dealers of arms are the 5 permanent members of the UN security council. It's not difficult to verify. Take a wild guess which nation is numero uno?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for CanadaLance says "WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB)"http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/mons95a.html Canadian arms sales to the Third World: A record year for Team CanadaHow many folks could these kill?http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/monj01b.html Almost 9 BILLION in 1999http://coat.ncf.ca/articles/links/media_release.htm "Canada's 1.25 Billion in Military Sales to Saudi Arabia (1990-1998)" "Human Rights Violations Aided and Abetted by Canadian Arms Sales" "Canada's largest military corporations that are making substantial contributions to the Liberal Party's war chest."http://coat.openconcept.ca/cpp/ Working Canadians must contribute to the
Canada Pension Plan (CPP). ... The CPP has invested at least $2.55 billion in domestic and foreign military corporations, including 15 of the world's top 20 war contractors Are You a contributor?http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=259Itemid=43 Canada Supplies Depleted Uranium for Arms TradeSo your argument basically comes down to whether the leading exporter of WMD or third rate exporting nations
are more legally culpable? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB) ----- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 17:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Wasn't it some kind of Rumor circulating everywhere about something called, Weapons of Mass Destruction?Wonder where the rumor came from? 2Ki 19:7 Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land. Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come [one]
year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: As I see events David, you were 'attacked' by neither A or I. As I see it you invaded while uninvited.Is this a stick-your-head-in-the-sand and ignore the facts kind of response, or is this deliberate misinformation and propaganda? Afghanistan was harboring Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda organization since 1996. They were involved in numerous attacks, such as the Tanzania and Kenya U.S. Embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, and the World Trade Center bombing. There are other planned attacks that were thrwarted. When Bush tried to talk to the Afghan gov't, they refused to talk to him directly, claiming
that it would be an insult to Islam for them to talk with a non-Muslim political leader. We gave them a clear ultimatum and way out of avoiding war. They refused to cooperate.Lance wrote: The UN opposed your action.Are you crazy? The UN Security Council issued a resolution demanding that they close their terrorist camps and hand over Osama bin Laden. We enforced their resolution. Where do you get the notion that the UN OPPOSED our action?David Miller --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Yahoo!
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

I send you link after link on RC's being tried by the International court, you tell me what someone told you. Facts VS Hearsay You choose the latter, is it to protect your RC friends?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this sampling of repartee is as good as it gets.(oh yah! my ideology can beat up your ideology! ) then, perspectivalism thy name is Truth(?)talk!- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 07:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? FACT- HearsayLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In FACT I have my FACTS straight. My source for my FACTS was in Rwanda. FACT: I've known this person for 15 years. FACT:He is a (non RCC) Christian.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Then why do you blame "Christians" for Rwandan genocide when it was ROMAN CATholics? Get your facts straight.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Facts are such STUBBORN thingsAre they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness
and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG
AGAIN Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS. You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.I think that means it was those loving catholics again!Same old RC Church as it ever
was: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171 an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate HutusCatholic World News: http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=39498Kigali, Sep. 08, 2005 (CWNews.com) - Authorities in Rwanda have arrested a Belgian Catholic priest on charges related to the genocidal massacres of 1994. http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/tribunals/rwanda/2004/0920priest.htm Father Seromba's trial at the International
Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda will revive heated debate about the role of the Catholic Church during the dark days of 1994. The Catholic hierarchy in Rwanda had close ties to extremist politicians in the run up to the genocide and some priests like Father Seromba are accused of actively assisting the Hutu militias. In 2001, two nuns were found guilty of taking part in the genocide in a Belgian court. The Vatican accepts there are individuals in the church who committed crimes, but controversially, it says the Church as an institution cannot be held to blame. At the time of the genocide, some 60% of Rwandans were Catholic but some have since converted to Islam, saying the Church failed them in 1994. http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/21165Rwanda was the most Christianized country in Africa and the Roman Catholics were far and away the largest Christian denomination. Catholicism was virtually the official state religion. Catholic officials had enormous influence at both the elite and the grassroots level, which they consistently failed to use to protest against the governments overtly racist policies and practices. Indeed, the Church gave the government moral authority. Once the genocide began, Catholic leaders in the main refused to condemn the government, never used the word genocide, and many individual priests and nuns actually aided the genocidaires. This is just another show of what happens when the Catholics the Government are in BED TOG$TH$R AbSOLUTE ANNIHILATION whether it was then or now. Call it

Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for Canada

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

Seems you think the subject matter on the day of your meeting with God will be George Bush and WMDDo you think God will not hold you personally responsible for your inaction as to what great "moral" position you hold Vociferously but fail to DO anything personally? Talk is CHEAP!How many BULLETS have you bought with your CPP? Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:OK I see your point Americans have killed more innocent folks than you Canadians so only us Americans are GUILTY cause we killed at least twice as many innocent folks as you.Do you support the war machine with your CPP funds?Why is it that people can get
so worked up over others immorality but can not see there own. I think it is because it is easy to be offended over some social issue, just because it is NOT close to home. It costs nothing to correct OTHERS immorality. You seem to have Moralized your politics and Politicized your morals! Morality is the responsibility of others.. Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 5 largest dealers of arms are the 5
permanent members of the UN security council. It's not difficult to verify. Take a wild guess which nation is numero uno?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for CanadaLance says "WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms
dealer in the world. Hint (GWB)"http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/mons95a.html Canadian arms sales to the Third World: A record year for Team CanadaHow many folks could these kill?http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/monj01b.html Almost 9 BILLION in 1999http://coat.ncf.ca/articles/links/media_release.htm "Canada's 1.25 Billion in Military Sales to Saudi Arabia
(1990-1998)" "Human Rights Violations Aided and Abetted by Canadian Arms Sales" "Canada's largest military corporations that are making substantial contributions to the Liberal Party's war chest."http://coat.openconcept.ca/cpp/ Working Canadians must contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP). ... The CPP has invested at least $2.55 billion in domestic and foreign military corporations, including 15 of the world's top 20 war contractors Are You a contributor?http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=259Itemid=43 Canada Supplies Depleted Uranium for Arms TradeSo your argument basically comes down to whether the leading exporter of WMD or third rate exporting nations are more legally culpable? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 17:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Wasn't it some kind of Rumor circulating everywhere about something called, Weapons of Mass Destruction?Wonder where the rumor came from? 2Ki 19:7 Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land. Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come [one] year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: As I see events David, you were 'attacked' by neither A or I. As I see it you invaded while
uninvited.Is this a stick-your-head-in-the-sand and ignore the facts kind of response, or is this deliberate misinformation and propaganda? Afghanistan was harboring Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda organization since 1996. They were involved in numerous attacks, such as the Tanzania and Kenya U.S. Embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, and the World Trade Center bombing. There are other planned attacks that were thrwarted. When Bush tried to talk to the Afghan gov't, they refused to talk to him directly, claiming that it would be an insult to Islam for them to talk with a non-Muslim political leader. We gave them a clear ultimatum and way out of avoiding war. They refused to cooperate.Lance wrote: The UN opposed your action.Are you crazy? The UN Security Council issued a resolution demanding that they close their terrorist camps and hand over Osama bin Laden. We enforced their resolution. Where do you get
the notion that the UN OPPOSED our action?David Miller --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTE

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And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature.It surely is NOT God's fault! It is not Christianity's fault When it comes down to it ... It is all George Bush' FAULT!Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G, the lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God, no consequences for our actions. It's also based on the false idea that man has no fallen nature. And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature. Religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of evil in history and today. Do it in the name of God and you have a special type of defense. But we must recognize the religion isn't evil, tradition isn't evil, man is. That idea is the
foundation of our gospel. Man is fallen and needs a savior. Lennon's song refutes that foundation and appeals to man's desire to deceive himself and to lay the blame for our sinful state on someone else, in this case, all religion.Do you disagree?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:cd: Listen to the words G. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/28/2006 11:48:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against Godhow so, Bro?---for
ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for Canada

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

Lance you may enjoy this DOCUMENTARY MOVIE http://cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=1069Notice it is from a CONSERVATIVE group. Liberals don't have a lock on "moral politics" and GASP they are concerned with the NWOThe really BAD thing is that one major supplier of DEPLETED URANIUM is... and the name Pleazee CANADA! http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=259Itemid=43 Canada Supplies Depleted Uranium for Arms TradeDean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 7:05:31 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for CanadaThe 5 largest dealers of arms are the 5 permanent members of the UN security council. It's not difficult to verify. Take a wild guess which nation is numero
uno? cd: Lance have you been watching the arms dealer movie 'Lord of War"?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Record year for CanadaLance says "WMD supplied to it's own enemies
by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB)"http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/mons95a.html Canadian arms sales to the Third World: A record year for Team CanadaHow many folks could these kill?http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/monitor/monj01b.html Almost 9 BILLION in 1999http://coat.ncf.ca/articles/links/media_release.htm "Canada's 1.25 Billion in Military Sales to Saudi
Arabia (1990-1998)" "Human Rights Violations Aided and Abetted by Canadian Arms Sales" "Canada's largest military corporations that are making substantial contributions to the Liberal Party's war chest."http://coat.openconcept.ca/cpp/ Working Canadians must contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP). ... The CPP has invested at least $2.55 billion in domestic and foreign military corporations, including 15 of the world's top 20 war contractors Are You a contributor?http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=259Itemid=43 Canada Supplies Depleted Uranium for Arms TradeSo your argument basically comes down to whether the leading exporter of WMD or third rate exporting nations are more legally culpable? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WMD supplied to it's own enemies by the largest arms dealer in the world. Hint (GWB)
- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 17:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Wasn't it some kind of Rumor circulating everywhere about something called, Weapons of Mass Destruction?Wonder where the rumor came from? 2Ki 19:7 Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land. Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come [one] year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: As I see events David, you were 'attacked' by neither A or I. As I see it you invaded while
uninvited.Is this a stick-your-head-in-the-sand and ignore the facts kind of response, or is this deliberate misinformation and propaganda? Afghanistan was harboring Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda organization since 1996. They were involved in numerous attacks, such as the Tanzania and Kenya U.S. Embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, and the World Trade Center bombing. There are other planned attacks that were thrwarted. When Bush tried to talk to the Afghan gov't, they refused to talk to him directly, claiming that it would be an insult to Islam for them to talk with a non-Muslim political leader. We gave them a clear ultimatum and way out of avoiding war. They refused to cooperate.Lance wrote: The UN opposed your action.Are you crazy ? The UN Security Council issued a resolution demanding that they close their terrorist camps and hand over Osama bin Laden. We enforced their resolution. Where do you get
the notion that the UN OPPOSED our action?David Miller --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

"Ye compass land and sea" I couldn't have chosen a subject that is more apropoWhy notstate the WHOLE scripture? Remeber that CONTEXT thingy. MT 23:5 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Context HYPOCRITES it is all over the chapter! http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/hypocrite.html HYP'OCRITE, n. 1. One who feigns to be what he is not; one who has the form of godliness without the power, or who
assumes an appearance of piety and virtue, when he is destitute of true religion. And the hypocrite's hope shall perish. Job.8. 2. A dissembler; one who assumes a false appearance. Fair hypocrite, you seek to cheat in vain. Definition from Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language, 1828.Now where were we? O yeah we were discussing preaching from a soapbox with out any resultant ACTION on the part of the preacher. another words saying while not doing. TALK IS CHEAP Would preaching against WMD whilst funding the same thru CPP and Canadian exports of DEPLETED Uranium qualifyas HYPOCRITICAL?BTW Great Chapter MT 23 here is some
more: Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (context saying whilest not DOing?)Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.What are you doing about the problem? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 7:58:45 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?"Ye compass land and sea" I couldn't have chosen a subject that is more apropo. In a wierd kind of way I suppose, I should thank TT for continued examples...- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 07:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?I send you link after link on RC's being tried by the International court, you tell me what someone told you. Facts VS Hearsay You choose the latter, is it to protect your RC friends?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: If this sampling of repartee is as good as it gets.(oh yah! my ideology can beat up your ideology! ) then, perspectivalism thy name is Truth(?)talk!- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 07:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? FACT- HearsayLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In FACT I have my FACTS straight. My source for my FACTS was in Rwanda. FACT: I've known this person for 15 years. FACT:He is a (non RCC) Christian.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Then why do you blame "Christians" for Rwandan genocide when it was ROMAN CATholics? Get your facts straight.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth
creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:
March 03, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Facts are such STUBBORN thingsAre they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG AGAIN Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS. You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.I think that means it was those loving catholics again!Same old RC Church as it

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

Do you have a reference for us concerningthese cages Luther used? see following BUT Keep in mind these guys were first REFORMED Catholics (eg REFORMERS one and all) who later converted to Anabaptism in addition in their later lives they got involved in polygamy. You can take the man out of Roman Catholicism, it is much harder to take the Roman Catholicism out of the man!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Knipperdolling From June 24 - 25, 1535, the Bishop, with the aid of the deserter Henry Gresbeck, retook Münster. Knipperdolling, Bockelson and Bernhard Krechting were imprisoned and interrogated. In On January 22, 1536, Knipperdolling, Krechting, and Bockelson were publicly tortured and executed in
Münster. Their corpses were suspended in a cage from the Lambertuskirche (St. Lambert's Church), which had been the initial focus of the Anabaptist revolution.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Original Message] From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Date: 2/26/2006 11:58:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentancecd wrote: Judy did you know that M.Luther had Street Preachers put in oversize bird cages and hung up in the church even on Sunday morning while he and his followers worshiped God. I hope you understand that not all Anabaptists were good streetpreachers. Some of them were polygamists who
did not recognize the marriage contractof Lutherans or Roman Catholics. Do you have a reference for us concerning these cages Luther used?cd:To my understanding the Street Preachers Luther had put in bird cageswere not polygamist-they preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. But if that ishow a Christian is suppose to act then should I take a cage with me on mynext trip (Lord willing) to Salt Lake City and grab the nearest Mormon Isee crossing the street with two wives and put him in the cage and hang himup in the Wesleyan Church and maybe my brethren will think highly of mealso? My reference for this statement is Ron Mcrae-while a Anabaptist- heis not a polygamist.Do you have the source that these people Lutherprosecuted by hanging in cages were Anabaptist polygamist? David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you mayknow how you ought to
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

Lance is a skeptic. one can never really know ya know. One might say that he is even skeptical of his skepticism one can never really know ya know.Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote:the rapture is comingIs this a list of ideas that are ridiculous to you? You don't believe the rapture is coming, Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the
rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Facts are such STUBBORN thingsAre they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG AGAIN Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS. You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000
Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.I think that means it was those loving catholics again!Same old RC Church as it ever was: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171 an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate HutusCatholic World News: http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=39498Kigali, Sep. 08,
2005 (CWNews.com) - Authorities in Rwanda have arrested a Belgian Catholic priest on charges related to the genocidal massacres of 1994. http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/tribunals/rwanda/2004/0920priest.htm Father Seromba's trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda will revive heated debate about the role of the Catholic Church during the dark days of 1994. The Catholic hierarchy in Rwanda had close ties to extremist politicians in the run up to the genocide and some priests like Father Seromba are accused of actively assisting the Hutu militias. In 2001, two nuns were found guilty of taking part in the genocide in a Belgian court. The Vatican accepts there are individuals in the church who committed
crimes, but controversially, it says the Church as an institution cannot be held to blame. At the time of the genocide, some 60% of Rwandans were Catholic but some have since converted to Islam, saying the Church failed them in 1994. http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/21165Rwanda was the most Christianized country in Africa and the Roman Catholics were far and away the largest Christian denomination. Catholicism was virtually the official state religion. Catholic officials had enormous influence at both the elite and the grassroots level, which they consistently failed to use to protest against the governments overtly racist policies and practices. Indeed, the Church gave the government moral authority. Once the genocide began, Catholic leaders
in the main refused to condemn the government, never used the word genocide, and many individual priests and nuns actually aided the genocidaires. This is just another show of what happens when the Catholics the Government are in BED TOG$TH$R AbSOLUTE ANNIHILATION whether it was then or now. Call it genocide if you want I call it the TRUE BELIEVER doing service to their 'god' Catholic and Reformed Catholic are just as TOLERANT as the MuslimGENOCIDE IS Roman Catholicism! "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus..." See the HIGHLITES of their HISTORY belowArgument 2d. Experience shows that terror is not effective. I reply, EXPERIENCE PROVES THE
CONTRARYFOR THE DONATISTS, MANICHEANS, AND ALBIGENSES WERE ROUTED, AND ANNIHILATED BY ARMS. -- Robert Bellarmine, Disputationes de Controversiis, Tom. ii, Lib. III, cap. XXII, "Objections Answered," 1682 edition. http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/estimates.doc St. Bartho

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Deegan

In writing to Menius and Myconius in 1530, Martin Luther favored applying the sword to the Anabaptists. He said:"I am pleased that you intend to publish a book against the Anabaptists as soon as possible. Since they are not only blasphemous, but also seditious men, let the sword exercise its rights over them, for it is the will of God that he shall have judgment who resisteth the power."Calvin said godly princes may lawfully issue edicts, for compelling obstinate and rebellious persons to worship the true God, and to maintain the unity of the faith; for, though faith is voluntary, yet we see that such methods are useful for subduing the obstinacy of those who will not yield until they are compelled Compare to this:The magistrate is not by virtue of his office to meddle with religion, or matters of conscience, to force or compel men to this or that form of religion, or doctrine; but to leave Christian religion free, to every mans con-science, and to handle only civil transgressions.- McGlothlin, Baptist Confession of Faith, p. 82. published in 1614Baptist Leonard Busher, A Citizen of London, which was presented to King James and the high court of Parliament then sitting, a work entitled, Religions Peace, or A Plea for Liberty of Conscience. For all good shepherds will divide and separate, and not force, slay, and persecute, Busher declared. Kings and magistrates are to rule temporal affairs by the swords
 of their temporal kingdoms, and bishops and ministers are to rule spiritual affairs by the word and Spirit of God, the sword of Christs spiritual kingdom, and not to inter-meddle one with anothers authority, office, and function. And it is a great shame for the bishops and ministers not to be able to rule in their church without the assistance of the king and magistrate; yea, it is a great sign they are none of Christs bishops and ministers. If they were, they would not be afraid nor ashamed of their faith; nor yet would they persuade princes and people to persecute, and force one another to believe them; but would use only the assistance of Gods word and Spirit, and therewith suffer their faith and doctrine to be examined, proved, and disputed, both by word and writing.Tracts on Liberty of Conscience, p. 23.Baptist, John Murton, in 1615, wrote a treatise entitled, Persecution for Religion
 Judged and Condemned, and presented it to the king of England, No man ought to be persecuted for his religion, be it true or false, so they testify their faithful allegiance to the king. What authority can any mortal man require more, than of body, goods, life, and all that appertaineth to the outward man? The heart God requireth.Id., pp. 95, 108.John Smyth, in exile, wrote, "The prince must leave the Christian religion free to every man's conscience." Roger Williams labeled the violation of conscience by the civil power The Bloudy Tenent of Persecution for Cause of Conscience. "Heresy must be cut off with the sword of the Spirit," not "the sword of the magistrate."  "the civil magistrate ought not to punish a breach of the first table of the law,
 comprised in the first four of the ten commandments." Which he held, were duties which man owed exclusively to God, and as such did not fall within the civil duties which man owed to the state.No citizen is or has been more loyal to the government or more zealous for the rights of others than a historically informed, gospel believing Baptist. Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Do you have a reference for us concerningthese cages Luther used?  see following BUT Keep in mind these guys were first REFORMED Catholics (eg REFORMERS one and all) who later converted to Anabaptism in addition in their later lives they got involved in polygamy. You can take the man out of Roman Catholicism, it is much
 harder to take the Roman Catholicism out of the man!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Knipperdolling  From June 24 - 25, 1535, the Bishop, with the aid of the deserter Henry Gresbeck, retook Münster. Knipperdolling, Bockelson and Bernhard Krechting were imprisoned and interrogated. In On January 22, 1536, Knipperdolling, Krechting, and Bockelson were publicly tortured and executed in Münster. Their corpses were suspended in a cage from the Lambertuskirche (St. Lambert's Church), which had been the initial focus of the Anabaptist revolution.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:[Original
 Message] From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Date: 2/26/2006 11:58:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentancecd wrote:  Judy did you know that M.Luther had Street  Preachers put in oversize bird cages and  hung up in the church even on Sunday morning  while he and his followers worshiped God. I hope you understand that not all Anabaptists were good streetpreachers.  So

Re: [TruthTalk] Listen to the song (War) watch the film 'Lord of War' then,........

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan

YOU?Are you calling it a CHRISTIAN war?  And I am responsible?  And I am in agreement?YOU?  How broad is your brush?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Ask yourself the question 'What are believers/christians/followers of Christ capable of? You've got problems enough inside the box (USA) but, when you think outside the box (exporting your own problems around the globe) well...I leave it to the honest among you..
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan

And he needs a history lesson!Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance, you have a different definition of "believer" or Christian than that of Christ Apparently you don't really believe that "YOU WILL KNOW them by their fruit" (Matt 12:33) or that murderers along with certain others "DO NOT inherit the Kingdom" (1 Cor 6:9) Whose gospel DO you believe??? On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 05:50:26 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:You are far too sophisticated for this old boy from Canada, Kevin. Believers (DM seems to prefer this word over 'Christians'. I honestly think that if you're one of 'em then, it doesn't really matter what you call 'em.)are capable of doing some bad stuff. Some of that 'bad stuff' is really bad stuff. For example: Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers. There are other examples but, I'll leave it there.'NEW WORLD ORDER'??? You're not one of those conspiracy theory types are you? ----- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 01, 2006 20:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Lance wrote: Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters'In onelittle statement you accomplish: 1)Your affinity with murderous religious thugs (since you are a member of the set "ALL RELIGIONS") 2)The inability of true believers to understand Jesus words Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then
would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 3) make the victims of the drownings, hangings, burnings, the sworddeserving of such treatment and as morally wrong as thereligious murderers (RC Reformed RC's) (surely in your eyes being a part of "all religions" they would do the same. In spite of the historical facts that some do not have BLOOD on their hands!) Jhn 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. The OLD WORLD ORDER is the same as the NEW WORLD ORDER The names have been changed to protect the guilty. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan

You will get your day in court someday. Unfortunately you will appear before those that you unjustly accuse, before the Judge of all the earth, in the court of NO APPEALS. There is a long line of those who remained faithful unto blood. Would they slit throats given the chance, as you accuse?Rev 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, [even] where Satan's seat [is]: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas [was] my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are far too sophisticated for this old boy from Canada, Kevin. Believers (DM seems to prefer this word over 'Christians'. I honestly think that if you're one of 'em then, it doesn't really matter what you call 'em.)are capable of doing some bad stuff. Some of that 'bad stuff' is really bad stuff. For example: Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers. There are other examples but, I'll leave it there.'NEW WORLD ORDER'??? You're not one of those conspiracy theory types are you?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 01, 2006 20:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Lance wrote: Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters'In onelittle statement you accomplish: 1)Your affinity with murderous religious thugs (since you are a member of the set "ALL RELIGIONS") 2)The inability of true believers to understand Jesus words Jhn 18:36 Jesus
answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 3) make the victims of the drownings, hangings, burnings, the sworddeserving of such treatment and as morally wrong as thereligious murderers (RC Reformed RC's) (surely in your eyes being a part of "all religions" they would do the same. In spite of the historical facts that some do not have BLOOD on their hands!) Jhn 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. The OLD WORLD ORDER is the same as the NEW WORLD ORDER The names have been changed to protect the guilty. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: 002-0651739-1599224.htm

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan

OH LOOK Laura is a Reformed Catholic!  Being religious or SPIRITual does not make one a Christian.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If George is a "Christian" I am a muffin  Perhaps he is a Reformed Catholic.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: [TruthTalk] Listen to the song (War) watch the film 'Lord of War' then,........

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan

George is as much Christian as he is ConservativeAre you calling it a Christian war?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  ME? I'm calling it WRONG! There are those who took umbrage over hearing ill spoken of re: your 'BELIEVING PRESIDENT' and his decision to invade sovereign nations." I just sent a link to a new doc that I watched last evening. Have a look.From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 02, 2006 07:24  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Listen to the song (War)  watch the film 'Lord of War' then,YOU?Are you calling it a CHRISTIAN war?  And I am responsible?  And I am in agreement?YOU?  How broad is your brush?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Ask yourself the question 'What are believers/christians/followers of Christ capable of? You've got
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Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: 002-0651739-1599224.htm

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan

A picture is worth a thousand words!  If you define believer/christian as these Reformed CATHOLICS.  Then it follows.  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In George  Laura you have two bona fide believers/christians. It ought to go without saying but, I'll say it anyway: God alone KNOWS whether this is so.He certainly stands shoulder to shoulder with Jerry, Pat  Billy. Would you not concur? - Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 02, 2006 07:42  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: 002-0651739-1599224.htmOH LOOK Laura is a Reformed Catholic!  Being religious or SPIRITual does not make one a Christian.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If George is a "Christian" I am a muffin  Perhaps he is a Reformed Catholic.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: 002-0651739-1599224.htm

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan

Reformed Catholics are also ChameleonsTour of the Dome of the Rock MOSQUEhttp://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/006290.php U.S. officials said Bush had requested activities to honor Israel's three religions during her Israel visit. She will tour the Western Wall to pay
respects to Judaism, visit a church in Jericho to honor Christianity, and ascend the Temple Mount to express good will toward Islam, said an official. George worships "god" at Shinto Temple http://www.worthynews.com/news-features-3/bush-shinto-temple.html It was an act of idolatry, says Kiyomasa Akashi, with Logos Ministries in Tokyo. Even worse, it was an official, public idol worship, Akashi says. He did bow before the shrine where the Meiji Emperor is enshrined as a god.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:A picture is worth a thousand words! If you define believer/christian as these Reformed CATHOLICS. Then it follows. Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In George Laura you have two bona fide believers/christians. It ought to go without saying but, I'll say it anyway: God alone KNOWS whether this is so.He certainly stands shoulder to shoulder with Jerry, Pat Billy. Would you not concur? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 07:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: 002-0651739-1599224.htmOH LOOK Laura is a Reformed Catholic! Being religious or SPIRITual does not make one a Christian.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If George is a "Christian" I am a muffin Perhaps he is a Reformed Catholic.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?
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Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: 002-0651739-1599224.htm

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan

Signing the Book of Worship!http://www.cephasministry.com/nwo_bush_goes_to_shinto_worship.html http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/bushshintoshrine.htmlKevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Reformed Catholics are also ChameleonsTour of the Dome of the Rock MOSQUEhttp://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/006290.php U.S. officials said Bush had requested activities to honor Israel's three religions during her Israel visit. She will tour the Western Wall to pay respects to Judaism, visit a church in Jericho to honor Christianity, and ascend the Temple Mount to express good will toward Islam, said an official. George worships "god" at Shinto Temple http://www.worthynews.com/news-features-3/bush-shinto-temple.html It was an act of idolatry, says Kiyomasa Akashi, with Logos Ministries in Tokyo. Even worse, it was an official, public idol worship, Akashi says. He did bow before the shrine where the Meiji Emperor is enshrined as a god.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:A picture is worth a thousand words! If you define believer/christian as these Reformed CATHOLICS. Then it follows. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In George Laura you have two bona fide believers/christians. It ought to go without saying but, I'll say it anyway: God alone KNOWS whether this is so.He certainly stands shoulder to shoulder with Jerry, Pat Billy. Would you not concur? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 07:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing:
002-0651739-1599224.htmOH LOOK Laura is a Reformed Catholic! Being religious or SPIRITual does not make one a Christian.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If George is a "Christian" I am a muffin Perhaps he is a Reformed Catholic.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! MailBring photos to life!
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Re: [TruthTalk] Listen to the song (War) watch the film 'Lord of War' then,........

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan

So how much did the TOOTH FAIRY leave you?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I already told you what I call it. George used the word 'crusade'. George used the _expression_ ' good vs evil'. George said that good would triumph over evil (USA over the Taliban terrorists). George is a believing christian. I leave it to you, the citizens, to figure the rest out.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 07:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Listen to the song (War) watch the film 'Lord of War' then,George is as much Christian as he is ConservativeAre you calling it a Christian war?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ME? I'm calling it WRONG! There are those who took umbrage over hearing ill spoken of re: your 'BELIEVING PRESIDENT' and his decision to invade sovereign nations." I just sent a link to a new doc
that I watched last evening. Have a look.From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 07:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Listen to the song (War) watch the film 'Lord of War' then,YOU?Are you calling it a CHRISTIAN war? And I am responsible? And I am in agreement?YOU? How broad is your brush?Lance
Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ask yourself the question 'What are believers/christians/followers of Christ capable of? You've got problems enough inside the box (USA) but, when you think outside the box (exporting your own problems around the globe) well...I leave it to the honest among you.. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New
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Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: 002-0651739-1599224.htm

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan

are you speaking for God on this?. Are you asking for Him?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Laura Bush a (1) believing christian (2) chameleon (3) fill in the blank I ask again, are you speaking for God on this?. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 08:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: 002-0651739-1599224.htmReformed Catholics are also ChameleonsTour of the Dome of the Rock
MOSQUEhttp://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/006290.php U.S. officials said Bush had requested activities to honor Israel's three religions during her Israel visit. She will tour the Western Wall to pay respects to Judaism, visit a church in Jericho to honor Christianity, and ascend the Temple Mount to express good will toward Islam, said an official. George worships "god" at Shinto Temple http://www.worthynews.com/news-features-3/bush-shinto-temple.html It was an act of idolatry, says Kiyomasa Akashi, with Logos Ministries in Tokyo. Even worse, it was an official, public idol worship, Akashi says. He did bow before the shrine where the Meiji Emperor is enshrined as a god.Kevin Deegan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:A picture is worth a thousand words! If you define believer/christian as these Reformed CATHOLICS. Then it follows. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In George Laura you have two bona fide believers/christians. It ought to go without saying but, I'll say it anyway: God alone KNOWS whether this is so.He certainly stands shoulder to shoulder with Jerry, Pat Billy. Would you not concur? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 07:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: 002-0651739-1599224.htmOH LOOK Laura is a Reformed Catholic! Being religious or SPIRITual does not make one a Christian.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If George is a "Christian" I am a muffin Perhaps he is a Reformed Catholic.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan

Wasn't it some kind of Rumor circulating everywhere about something called, Weapons of Mass Destruction?Wonder where the rumor came from? 2Ki 19:7 Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land. Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come [one] year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. David Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: As I see events David, you were 'attacked' by neither A or I. As I see it you invaded while uninvited.Is this a stick-your-head-in-the-sand and ignore the facts kind of response, or is this deliberate misinformation and propaganda? Afghanistan was harboring Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda organization since 1996. They were involved in numerous attacks, such as the Tanzania and Kenya U.S. Embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, and the World Trade Center bombing. There are other planned attacks that were thrwarted. When Bush tried to talk to the Afghan gov't, they refused to talk to him directly, claiming that it would be an insult to Islam for them to talk with a non-Muslim political leader. We gave them a clear ultimatum and way out of avoiding war. They
refused to cooperate.Lance wrote: The UN opposed your action.Are you crazy? The UN Security Council issued a resolution demanding that they close their terrorist camps and hand over Osama bin Laden. We enforced their resolution. Where do you get the notion that the UN OPPOSED our action?David Miller --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: 002-0651739-1599224.htm

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan

If you were a preacher would you put on a dress like the Pope when you visit Rome?  If you were a Christian would you put on a catholic viel like Laura below?  Would you put on a Muslim headdress when visiting the MUSLIM Mosque, like Laura?Never trust a man that dresses like MOMMA and calls himself Father!  Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In George  Laura you have two bona
 fide believers/christians. It ought to go without saying but, I'll say it anyway: God alone KNOWS whether this is so.He certainly stands shoulder to shoulder with Jerry, Pat  Billy. Would you not concur? - Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 02, 2006 07:42  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: 002-0651739-1599224.htmOH LOOK Laura is a Reformed
 Catholic!  Being religious or SPIRITual does not make one a Christian.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If George is a "Christian" I am a muffin  Perhaps he is a Reformed Catholic.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan

red neither age nor sex (Thomas Armitage, A History of the Baptists, "Post-Apostolic Times -- The Waldensians," 1890). They were almost completely destroyed as a people and most of their literary record was erased from the face of the earth.From the year 1540 to 1570 "it is proved by national authentic testimony, that nearly one million of Protestants were publicly put to death in various countries in Europe, besides all those who were privately destroyed, and of whom no human
record exists" (J.P. Callender, Illustrations of Popery, 1838, p. 400)."From the birth of Popery in 606 to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than fifty millions of the human family, have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors, an average of more than forty thousand religious murders for every year of the existence of popery." -- "History of Romanism," pp. 541, 542. New York: 1871. These are no kin of mine. Maybe they are your forefathers? That is why you are trying to cover?
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are far too sophisticated for this old boy from Canada, Kevin. Believers (DM seems to prefer this word over 'Christians'. I honestly think that if you're one of 'em then, it doesn't really matter what you call 'em.)are capable of doing some bad stuff. Some of that 'bad stuff' is really bad stuff. For example: Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers. There are other examples but, I'll leave it there.'NEW WORLD ORDER'??? You're not one of those conspiracy theory types are you?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 01, 2006 20:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Lance wrote: Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters'In onelittle statement you accomplish: 1)Your affinity with murderous
religious thugs (since you are a member of the set "ALL RELIGIONS") 2)The inability of true believers to understand Jesus words Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 3) make the victims of the drownings, hangings, burnings, the sworddeserving of such treatment and as morally wrong as thereligious murderers (RC Reformed RC's) (surely in your eyes being a part of "all religions" they would do the same. In spite of the historical facts that some do not have BLOOD on their hands!) Jhn 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. The OLD WORLD ORDER is the same as
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Re: [TruthTalk] An excellent Article on Islam Today

2006-03-01 Thread Kevin Deegan

Ask someone who has been there. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=21364Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that we should brace ourselves for Islam's wrath. But I say that these cartoons have succeed in revealing Islam for the hateful religion that it is. You seem to be in favor of comprismising integrity for peace at all costs. I will agree with you on this--up to a point. After that point, it is important to take a stand. That's what it means to have integrity.Romans 12:18If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.It is not possible if they love my death more than their own life. We can't afford to be numb to their hatred for too
long.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cartoons WERE a red herring from the start. However, you who would instigate violence should be prepared when violence ensues. (I speak again of the 'fomenters')- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 27, 2006 18:00 Subject: [TruthTalk] An excellent Article on Islam Today http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/index.php?artID=576This will be my 11th consecutive column, directly or indirectly on the Danish cartoons issue. The cartoons themselves were a red herring from the start -- a fake issue, trumped up by fanatical
Muslims seeking grievances to abet a confrontation, and thereby extract concessions from the West.. . .And from a mixture of fear of, and sympathy for, large, recent, Muslim immigrant communities in the West, we confuse domestic and foreign issues. I do not doubt the great majority of Muslims, in Canada and around the world, are decent, moderate people, who want no part in a clash of civilizations. But it has become obvious they can do nothing to stop the triumph of Islamism internationally, or oppose the fanatics proselytizing in their own communities. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-01 Thread Kevin Deegan

Lance wrote: Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters'In onelittle statement you accomplish:  1)Your affinity with murderous religious thugs (since you are a member of the set "ALL RELIGIONS")  2)The inability of true believers to understand Jesus words  Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.  3) make the victims of the drownings, hangings, burnings,  the sworddeserving of such treatment and as morally wrong as thereligious murderers (RC  Reformed RC's) (surely in your eyes being a part of "all religions" they would do the same.  In spite of the historical facts that
 some do not have BLOOD on their hands!)  Jhn 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. The OLD WORLD ORDER is the same as the NEW WORLD ORDER   The names have been changed to protect the guilty.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator comment

2005-12-17 Thread Kevin Deegan

Thanks for the courtesy of a responseCharles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Blaine this is a banned thread...please move on.From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:53:48 -0800 (PST) Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Izzy's sex life Hi Izzy, I was looking through some of my old e-mails and came uponone with the above subject title--jus' thought I'd let you know I am
still waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . . Blainerb[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since you have been asked to stop stirring the pot And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS I have declined to comment But since you guys can not leave it alone I was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were "waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . ." First of all, I don't recall writing to anyone in private. If I did, it may have been because I had not noticed it was private. Who was it that got the letter in private, Kevin? Are you the one? It must have been you, or Dean--both of you have brought this up--and if it was private why did
you post it contrary to the rules?. Secondly, I vaguely remember making that comment, but I don't recall the context in which I made it. Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.com--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?
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Re: [TruthTalk] sweat

2005-12-16 Thread Kevin Deegan

Forgiveness is available because of the atoning sacrifice of the Great Jehovah. Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood in Gethsemane as he bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all who ever had or ever would repent. Forgiveness is available because "God suffereth according to the flesh that he might take upon him the sins of his people, that he might blot out their transgressions according to the power of his deliverance." (Alma 7:13.) (The Messiah Series, Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret Book Company, 1978-82) Encyclopedia of Mormonism ... For Latter-day Saints, Gethsemane was the scene of Jesus' greatest agony, even surpassing that which he suffered on the cross, an understanding supported by Mark's description of Jesus'
experience (Mark 14:33-39). ... The evidence for Jesus' extreme agony in Gethsemane is buttressed by a prophecy in the Book of Mormon and a statement by the resurrected Savior recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants. About 125 B.C., a Book of Mormon king, Benjamin, recounted in an important address a prophecy of the coming messiah spoken to him by an angel during the previous night. Concerning the Messiah's mortal experience, the angel declared that "he shall suffer temptations, and pain of body, hunger, thirst, and fatigue, even more than man can suffer, except it be unto death; for behold, blood cometh from every pore, so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness and the abominations of his people" (Mosiah 3:7). The Doctrine and Covenants gives the following poignant words of the resurrected Jesus: "Behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would
repent; which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit" (DC 19:16, 18). Modern LDS leaders have emphasized that Jesus' most challenging experience came in Gethsemane. Speaking in a general conference of the Church in 1982, Marion G. Romney, a member of the First Presidency, observed that Jesus suffered "the pains of all men, which he did, principally, in Gethsemane, the scene of his great agony" (Ensign 12 [May 1982]:6). Church President Ezra Taft Benson wrote that "it was in Gethsemane that Jesus took on Himself the sins of the world, in Gethsemane that His pain was equivalent to the cumulative burden of all men, in Gethsemane that He descended below all things so that all could repent and come to Him"
(Benson, p. 7). (Encyclopedia of Mormonism, edited by Daniel H. Ludlow, New York: Macmillan Publishing Company, 1992, p. 542) This is in direct contradiction to the bible which says Romans 5:10 when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son.Col. 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. Col. 2:13-14 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh,
hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 1 Cor. 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Blainerb: Kevin, you quoted the passage in the DC where the doctrine of the garden is taught. Now
you are asking where it was taught? It all began in the garden. He suffered there , "even unto death." Did you miss that part or something? In a message dated 12/15/2005 5:45:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:The Holy Bible is the authority. The bible does not teach any such thingAs a Matter of fact where does the BoM or DC teach such? In a message dated 12/15/2005 8:47:52 A.M.
Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus Christ did not ATONE for our sins by suffering in the GardenThanks Kevin, we were waiting for the final word from your Royal Highness . . . Now we know the truth because you said it--What greater authority can we have, than Kevin of TT?Blainerb __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [TruthTalk] URL on beat up star with 666 on it

2005-12-16 Thread Kevin Deegan

isn't it just to the left of this?  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Kevin, we still need a URL on the star with 666--you were obviously suggesting it is from a Mormon building---I have not been able to find it in any way associated with any building built or owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.Blainerb __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator comment

2005-12-16 Thread Kevin Deegan

Sinceyou have been asked to stop stirring the pot  And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS  I have declined to comment  But since you guys can not leave it aloneI was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were  "waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . ."[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The last private e-mail I got from Dave was when I was off-Forum. I have sent him no such e-mails since, either. Kevin is, as usual, just seeing his own beam in our eyes. :)  BlainerbIn a message dated 12/14/2005 5:24:09 A.M.
 Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  cd: It is my opinion that mormons are big crybabies-and I have no idea what you are refering to-as you accuse others of the very thing you yourself are doing.  - Original Message -   From: Dave Hansen   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: 12/14/2005 2:03:00 AM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **  fact DAVEH: ??? To what fact are you referring, Kevin? I remember Dean accidentally publicly posting an email about John (as I remember) that he apparently thought he sent to you under the table, but Blaine and I haven't done such. While I've copied many of the pertinent posts to Blaine during the period he was off-Forum, we don't exchange strategies with each other, and seldom even send off-forum comments to each other. So...why would you imply it is a fact that we do some things thru private emails "under the table, when the evidence instead suggests that it is you and Dean who use such tactics? Was it Dean who suggested that if a
 person is critical of another's nature, it might be that the accuser is hiding something? NawI don't think he said anything like that, as it might have made him feel guilty. nbsp; ;-) Kevin Deegan wrote: infact it is the LDS folk who have made comments and done some things thru private emails "under the table"   
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Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator comment

2005-12-16 Thread Kevin Deegan

  Can you print the entire context, please?   Blainerb  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Izzy's sex lifeHi Izzy, I was looking through some of my old e-mails and came upon one with the above subject title--jus' thought I'd let you know I am still waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . .Blainerb[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Sinceyou have been asked to stop stirring the pot  And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS  I have declined to comment  But since you guys can not leave it aloneI was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were  "waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . ."First of all, I don't recall writing to anyone in private. If I did, it may have been
 becauseI had not noticed it was private. Who was it that got the letter in private, Kevin? Are you the one? It must have been you, or Dean--both of you have brought this up--and if it was private why did you post it contrary to the rules?.Secondly, I vaguely remember making that comment, but I don't recall the context in whichI made it. Can you print the entire context, please?   Blainerb__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE ...

2005-12-16 Thread Kevin Deegan

So a Satanist is on vacation in Utah  he decides to take a tour of the temple.  What do you think his thoughts would be when he sees his symbol for his god on your buildings?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 12/16/2005 1:37:07 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Go back and reread the posts  I did not say Mormons are SatanistsI asked a simple question "why do you have satanic symbols on your building?" 
 Blainerb: The answer is and always has been, we do not have Satanist symbols on our buildings. If they appear to be such, then they are only such in the eye of the beholder. They were never intended to be Satanist symbols, but the opposite--symbols of Jesus Christ, of heaven, etc. This, of course, led to a discussion on why we do not have crosses, as you will remember. And then everyone got all upset because we had stars, not crosses, on our buildings. Now a lot of people are mad at us because, as they say at least, we "hate crosses" which we actually do not. Hmmm, we have been through a lot together, huh Kevin? It gets almost humorous, doesn't it?   __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE ...

2005-12-16 Thread Kevin Deegan

"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Notice it does not say become perfect it says BE - Present TENSE How are you doing?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are entitled to your opinion, Lance, however, I do not see that such Mormon beliefs as you have outlined detract from traditional Christianity--they do go beyond it, but I see no reason this should be an arrow in the side of Christians who are trying to live Christianity as they understand it.I see nothing unhallowed in the God-was-a-man-who-became-perfect beliefs of the Mormon Church--in fact, it seems to be quite a lofty idea, aimed at improving one's
motivationto become perfect and more god-like. As Jesus said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Do you not intend to keep this commandment, Lance? BlainerbIn a message dated 12/16/2005 1:41:50 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Let me take a 'shot' at it (the SATANISM THINGY)If a group adheres to a theology wherein 1. their god was a man who became a god who begat children (spiritually) who subsequently inhabited that god's planet and rebelled against their god partly through the temptation of one of their god's sons (lucifer) so that one of their god's other sons (jesus) had to be born through a union of their god and one of the people
on that god's planet (mary)so as to redeem the 'rebelled ones' THEN I WOULD SAY THAT THERE JUST MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO THIS SATANISM THINGY" IMO OF COURSE!! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 16, 2005 14:58 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE "... In a
message dated 12/16/2005 12:45:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:IS FORTHCOMING!!??Y'all are pleased to engage on minutiae but on the big issues y'all 'take a pass'? WHY?Blainerb: I consider a post that suggests Mormons adhere to Satanism to be a "big issue." Are you suggesting Kevin be allowed to "take a pass" on this issue? That suggests to me he has no URL tying the photo to LDS buildings, and wants to be let off the hook. If he does have such, I am interested in seeing the source, whether it be valid, or just another anti-Mormon potshot at the LDS Church.
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Re: [TruthTalk] sweat

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

The scripture says his sweat was as You say he bled from every poreChurch Manual says: "The Savior atoned for our sins by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his life on the cross. It is impossible for us to fully understand how he suffered for all of our sins. In the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused him to feel such agony and heartbreak that be bled from every pore (see DC 19:18-19). Later, as he hung upon the cross, Jesus suffered painful death by one of the most cruel methods known to man," (Gospel Principles, Corporation of
the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg. 66, emphasis mine).AND SHRINK? DC 19 Therefore I command you to repentrepent, lest I smite you by the rod of my mouth, and by my wrath, and by my anger, and your sufferings be sorehow sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear you know not. For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent;17But if they would not repent they must suffer even as I;18Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spiritand would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrinkNevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men. http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/christ/atonement/holland_eom.htm Emphasizing these unconditional gifts arising out of Christ's atoning sacrifice, Latter-day Saints believe that other aspects of Christ's gift are conditional upon obedience and diligence in keeping God's commandments. To meet the demands of the Atonement, the sinless
Christ went first into the Garden of Gethsemane, there to bear the spiritual agony of soul only he could bear. He "began to be sorrowful and very heavy," saying to his three chief disciples, "My soul is exceeding sorrowful, unto death" (Mark 14:34). Leaving them to keep watch, he went further into the garden, where he would suffer "the pains of all men, yea, the pains of every living creature, both men, women, and children, who belong to the family of Adam" (2 Ne. 9:21). There he "struggled and groaned under a burden such as no other being who has lived on earth might even conceive as possible" (JC, p. 613). Thus, Latter-day Saints teach that Christ "descended below all things"including every kind of sickness, infirmity, and dark despair experienced by every mortal beingin order that he might "comprehend all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth" (DC 88:6). This
spiritual anguish of plumbing the depths of human suffering and sorrow was experienced primarily in the Garden of Gethsemane. It was there that he was "in an agony" and "prayed more earnestly." It was there that his sweat was "as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground" (Luke 22:44) for he bled "at every pore" (DC 19:18). Jesus Christ did not ATONE for our sins by suffering in the Garden Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You force your Interpretation into the Plain meaning of the scripturesDAVEH: How does my perspective on this force an interpretation any more than your perspective forces an interpretation that is consistent with your
traditions, Kevin? Do you believe he did not sweat drops of blood while in the Garden of Gethsemane? I thought that was an accepted understanding by most Christiansam I incorrect assuming such?Kevin Deegan wrote: considering it pained our Lord so much that he bled from every poreYou force your Interpretation into the Plain meaning of the scriptures LU 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tel him about the PRICE paid in the Garden Dave.DAVEH: It does seem to be a big one, considering it pained our Lord so much that he bled from every pore. Do you disagree, Kevin?Kevin Deegan wrote: Te l him about the PRICE paid in the Garden Dave.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cross, to the Christian, is a reminder of the tremendous price that Jesus paidDAVEH: Which price is torturous pain, suffering and death. That is exactly what the cross represents, is that not correct Perry?Charles
Perry Locke wrote: Blaine, you seem to be missing a fine point here. Christians do not use crosses as a symbol of Jesus, like mormons do with stars and planets. The cross, to the Christian, is a reminder of the tremendous price that Jesus paid for our sins. BIG difference. Perry -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

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Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

It was the DC that said Moroni was an Angel of light thus SATAN By the way he was not "posing" he was Transformed like your false apostles are transformed. Remember this "heavenly" messenger came on the occult Autumn Equinox and told joe to observe the same for the next few years.Moroni APPEARS as an angel of Light JSH 2:30I discovered a light appearing in my room, which continued to increase until the room was lighter than at noondayAutumn Equinox Visitations Introductory page of the DC, 3rd paragraph says; This took place in the early spring of 1820. In September, 1823, and at later times, Joseph Smith received visitations from Moroni, an angel of light"
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.http://www.lifeafter.org/angel.aspAngel of LightAggelos; a messenger. Phos; face, luminous, fire, light It is one of Satans most blatant exposés of the whole Mormon legend. The sad thing about it is that the Mormon wont see it because he believes that hes untouchable in his garments. Dont be fooled my friend, Satan is indeed an angel of light, just like Moroni. Think about it, he even took the place of the cross on top of the temples. Hes there trumpeting to the whole world that hes in charge. Hes not there to proclaim the return of Jesus, guaranteed.Don't think you can be deceived?Is this your Jesus?Occultists look for Angels of light [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Blainerb: "RIDLED?" You mean
"RIDDLED?" You and your street preacher friends have eyes but are blind to the truth. You see occult stuff all over, I suppose, even in American flags, American war planes, medals of honor, etc. If an angel appeared to you, you would say it was Satan posing as an angel of light. By the way, when are you going to tell us more about the beat up star you showed, with 666 on it? We want a URL on that please. In a message dated 12/13/2005 4:18:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your religion is RIDLED with occult Themes and you want to joke?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: LOL The maintenance people in and around the temple wear ordinary work clothing--no red suits or pitchforks. Have you been having nightmares, or, worse yet, hallucinations? Don't let these things get to you, Kevin. You must get a hold of yourself! In a message dated 12/13/2005 4:38:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL and the guy with the red suit pitchfork is just the maintenance man[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: If Kevin were honest with TT'rs, he would tell you the truth--the stars"plastered all over" the Salt Lake Temple, altho all five-sided, are not all inverted. Some are, some are not. They were placed there for decorative purposes, as well as symbolizing the North Star, the Morning star, the Star of Bethlehem, the Telestial Kingdom, the creations of God, etc.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

many Churches have a cross on top. Is that just a coincident? There is a reasonLDS buildings have a Golden Angel on top pointing east just another coincident? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you hate the cross also?DAVEH: No Kevin..I do not hate the cross. I just find it peculiarly interesting that many Christians seem so attached to the device used to torture and kill our Lord. When Jesus returns to the earth, do you think it likely he will be wearing a chain around his neck with a cross attached? Furthermore, why do you feel the implied need to categorize people as cross lovers or cross haters? Is it not possible that one can look upon the cross in its historical context, by
recognizing what it did to our Savior without categorizing him (not referring to Jesus) as a cross hater? How would you categorize Jesus.is he a cross lover or hater?Kevin Deegan wrote: So you find it WEIRD too Do you hate the cross also?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *EXACTLY what he finds weird.*DAVEH: WWJD.Have you ever wondered if Jesus feels like..._/I will cling to the old rugged cross/_.again.ordo you think he wants to be reminded of..._/The emblem of suffering and shame/_...it he experienced on it? Do you think Jesus feels the
cross*/_Has a wondrous attraction..._/*.For...*/_'twas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,_/*which may not be something our Lord needs to be reminded about, so why do Christians think he'll..*/_cherish the old rugged cross,_/*...Unless they feel he needs to be re minded of.._/The emblem of suffering and shame;/_...it represents. IFF it wouldn't be surprising that Jesus would find such thinking weird, then why wouldn't Christians consider the feelings Jesus may have about the cross?Kevin Deegan wrote: Still waiting on Blaines explanation of *EXACTLY what he finds weird.* */ShieldsFamily /* wrote: *THE OLD RUGGED CROSS * *On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross, *_/The emblem of suffering and shame;/_*
And I love that old cross where the dearest and best For a world of lost sinners was slain.* *_/So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,/_ Till my trophies at last I lay down; *_/I will cling to the old rugged cross,/_* And exchange it some day for a crown.* *O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world, /_Has a wondrou s attraction for me_/; For the dear Lamb of God left His glory above To bear it to dark Calvary.* */_So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,_/ Till my trophies at last I lay down; /_I will cling to the old rugged cross,_/ And exchange it some day for a crown.* *In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine, A wondrous beauty I see, /_For 'twas on that old cr oss Jesus suffered and died,_/ To pardon and sanctify me.* */_So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,_/ Till my trophies at last I lay down; /_I
will cling to the old rugged cross,_/ And exchange it some day for a crown.* *To the old rugged cross I will ever be true; /_Its shame and reproach gladly bear;_/ Then He'll call me some day to my home far away, Where His glory forever I'll share.* */_So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,_/ Till my t rophies at last I lay down; _/I will cling to the old rugged cross,/_ And exchange it some day for a crown.* Yes, a lost person would think that those lyrics are "weird", indeed. iz *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:*
Monday, December 12, 2005 10:11 PM *To:* TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org *Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Cross In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the best songs I ever heard was titled, "He Loved Me with a Cross". iz One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was //The Old Rugged Cross//. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of t hat old rugged cross. :) Blainerb Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -- ~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Worshipful Master

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

  "Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah! Jesus anointed that Prophet and Seer. Blessed to open the last dispensation. Kings shall extol him and nations revere" (LDS hymn #27, Praise to the man). Worshipful Master  http://www.josephsmith.net/portal/sitehttp://www.byubookstore.com/ePOS/this_category=216store=439item_number=0-8425-2612-9form=shared3/gm/detail.htmldesign=439  "Praise to the Man" Fifteen Classic BYU Devotionals about the Prophet Joseph Smith
 
	
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Re: Fwd: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

Stop trying to mislead[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 12/14/2005 10:13:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Blainerb473 writes:Blainerb: "RIDLED?" You mean "RIDDLED?" You and your street preacher friends have eyes but are blind to the truth. You see occult stuff all over, I suppose, even in American flags, American war planes, medals of honor, etc. If an angel appeared to you, you would say it was Satan posing as an angel of light. By the way, when are you
going to tell us more about the beat up star you showed, with 666 on it? We want a URL on that please. I have checked, it is definitely not on any Mormon building anywhere!!!In a message dated 12/13/2005 4:18:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your religion is RIDLED with occult Themes and you want to joke?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: LOL The maintenance people in and around the temple wear ordinary work clothing--no red suits or pitchforks. Have you been having nightmares, or, worse yet, hallucinations? Don't let these things get to you, Kevin. You must get a hold of yourself! In a message dated 12/13/2005 4:38:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL and the guy with the red suit pitchfork is just the maintenance man[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blainerb: If Kevin were honest with TT'rs, he would tell you the truth--the stars"plastered all over" the Salt Lake Temple, altho all five-sided, are not all inverted. Some are, some are not. They were placed there for decorative purposes, as well as symbolizing the North Star, the Morning star, the Star of Bethlehem, the Telestial Kingdom, the creations of God, etc. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:13:46 ESTSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evilTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Blainerb:
"RIDLED?" You mean "RIDDLED?" You and your street preacher friends have eyes but are blind to the truth. You see occult stuff all over, I suppose, even in American flags, American war planes, medals of honor, etc. If an angel appeared to you, you would say it was Satan posing as an angel of light. By the way, when are you going to tell us more about the beat up star you showed, with 666 on it? We want a URL on that please. In a message dated 12/13/2005 4:18:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your religion is RIDLED with occult Themes and you want to joke?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: LOL The maintenance people in and around the temple wear ordinary work clothing--no red suits or pitchforks. Have you been having nightmares, or, worse yet, hallucinations? Don't let these things get to you, Kevin. You must get a hold of yourself! In a message dated 12/13/2005 4:38:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL and the guy with the red suit pitchfork is just the maintenance man[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: If Kevin were honest with TT'rs, he would tell you the truth--the stars"plastered all over" the Salt Lake Temple, altho all five-sided, are not all inverted. Some are, some are not. They were placed there for decorative purposes, as well as symbolizing the North Star, the Morning star, the Star of Bethlehem, the Telestial Kingdom, the creations of God, etc.

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Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

You are very stirred up about those symbols on your temple hah?  Just keep trying to ignore them they are nothing[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I don't doubt it at all, Iz, you are definitely a class act on TT (Except when you kiss up to Satan--er, I mean, Kevin). :)Blainerb  In a message dated 12/13/2005 6:52:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Itâs good enough for me. izFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:16 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evilDo they teach reading where you're from Izzie? How 'bout 'rithmatic? And Spellling?
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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

God is against IDOLATRY of any kind Who are these mysterious people who IDOLize the cross?Why did it take all these years for you to be forthright with your FEELINGS about the cross?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All these years on TT and we are just now learning how you really feel about the CrossDAVEH: ??? You disagree, Kevin? Are you suggesting that those who do idolize the cross do not offend Jesus??? Just for so there is no misunderstanding in my thinking about thisFTRI believe Jesus is not pleased with anybody who idolizes the cross. If
you disagree, say so..I will not denigrate you for disagreeing with me on this.Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH: Do you suppose the same could be said of those idolizing crosses? All these years on TT and we are just now learning how you really feel about the Cross. How can that be? Have you been shielding us from certain "Truths" because we are Not worthy nor Ready for the Meat of the word? Is it because ofLDS teaching on "milk before meat." ?http://home.teleport.com/~packham/tract.htm They have been trained, however, to give investigators "milk before meat," that is, to postpone revealing anything at all that might make an investigator hesitant, even if it is true.
Apostle Boyd Packer Teaching some things that are true, prematurely or at the wrong time, can invite sorrow and heartbreak instead of the joy intended to accompany learning. W hat is true with these two subjects is, if anything, doubly true in the field of religion. The scriptures teach emphatically that we must give milk before meat. The Lord made it very clear that some things are to be taught selectively and some things are to be given only to those who are worthy. What other beliefs have you shielded us from?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You OFFEND Jesus ChristDAVEH: Do you suppose the same could be said of those idolizing
crosses?Kevin Deegan wrote: You OFFEND Jesus ChristI almost thought you were serious in your Apology tillNow, if I may, I would like to ask for an apology from anyone who supported waving Mormon underclothing in public by the street preachers at general conference in Salt Lake City. And, the same for those who more recently have denigrated Mormon handshakes, and other sacred symbols on TT. And the same for those who have insisted on spelling "Mormon" with a lower-case letter.:) What is fair is fair, huh? Blainerb

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Re: [TruthTalk] Offence given offence taken - MORMONS??

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

Because part of his core beliefs isthat people should not call other people HYPOCRITES!Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: 12/15/2005 1:04:05 AM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Offence given  offence
 taken - MORMONS??DAVEH: I have a pretty thick skin, Lance. I don't recall anything specifically said by the below mentioned TTers that offended me. I suspect most LDS folks would take offense though, as I'm not a very sensitive guy.as TTers well know.  cd: Then why all the complaining to Perry?Lance Muir wrote:   Perry, Dean, Kevin et al certainly GIVE offence vis a vis Mormonism. Do you, the Mormon contingent on TT, take offence at what's said by them?--   ~~~  Dave Hansen  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.langlitz.com  ~~~  If you wish to receive  things I find interesting,  I maintain six email lists...  JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,  STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's get this straight Lance - You were trying to tell me in a delicate way that I am deceived - and when I didn't bite you changed it to "fancy theologian" Why not just be up front like Dean
and call me a liar? Why the constant games? And what's worse is that you don't ever speak only for yourself you are constantly trying to stir something up by including "others" in your observations; also you don't ever show anyscriptural grounds for your accusations because that would take time and effort and you just might have to think rather than shoot off the cuff. On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:25:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Web Dfn:'Fancy':illusion:something many people believe that is false. I ask of those with whom others has disagreed, either mildly or vehemently, does that one believe your theology to have
been 'fancy'? I WOULD SAY SO, YES! From: Dean Moore cd: You are right on the money sister-hang in there:-) From: Judy Taylor Then it is past time to do some more figuring Lance because you have missed the boat so to speak. I am not about
trying to explain God which is the Church Father/theologian forte. If He does not illumineHis Word to you - then there is nothing I could say or do that would help. Hey out there!! Does anyone other than Lance think that I am a "FANCY THEOLOGIAN?" or is this another example ofLance's vivid imagination and fanciful thinking. judytOn Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:15:16 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Funny thing, Judy, I've always though of you as your own 'FANCY THEOLOGIAN'. Over time one cannot but note that
others have thought similarly. The 'Judy theology' is generally well researched and, on the whole, readable. From: Judy Taylor And I've been attempting to say to you that there is such a thing as objective truth a light that shines into the darknes of the unregenerate human heartwhich is the Word of the Living God untainted and unfiltered through human reason and/or fancy theologians which,when we choose to abide therein will make us free.On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:50:57 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:That, Judy, is what I've been attempting to say, apparently with minimal success. From: Judy Taylor Every deceived person believes themselves to be "in the truth" Deceived people don't know they are deceived - this is the nature of the
beast.On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:43:47 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I, for one, have no difficulty at all criticizing the'deceived' as you put it, Judy. The difficulty is that some who are, in reality deceived, believe themselves to be 'in the truth' do they not?From: Judy Taylor Meaning that all evangelism and preaching the gospel should cease because we can not
be critical of anyones beliefs because this is criticizing them personally?? IOW let the deceived stay captive to the devil. Lord forbid that we should offend anyone. Is Jesus a stumbling stone and a rock of offense ... or has he now become fashionable in his new "living" form?On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:49:55 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:You really don't get it do you? If I were to criticize your beliefs then, I am criticizing your personOK so we should not criticize beliefs. But criticizing the person
is OK in your book Good ol Self Refutin Lance...Kevin, this so-called anti-Mormon kick you're on seems to be about all you've got goin' for ya..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You really don't get it do you? If I were to criticize your beliefs then, I am criticizing your personNo you wouldn't be because you don't know my person. What you are talking about is religious/racial bigotry which is a misnomer. It is possible to love the person and reject their belief. God did it when he sent
Jesus Jesus did it when he hung on the cross - and we can do it as His Ambassadors in a world full of sin and strife.On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:37:20 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:You really don't get it do you? If I were to criticize your beliefs then, I am criticizing your person and, vice versa. Kevin et al do the same with the Mormons.I've asked you previously. I shall ask you once again. Is there a great gulf between who you are and what you say (believe)? From: Judy Taylor Now if you had said Joseph Smith Brigham Young your observation may have carried some weight Lance. However, I've yet to seeKevin comment on Blaine or DaveH personally, it's their false belief system he takes issue wit

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

cd: There is a difference in pointing out error and stoning someone to deathYou take this too lightly. There are some who can not bear any correction. Any correction or reproof to them strikes them at the core, it might as well be a stone! When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.Correction is
grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.DON"T SAY THOSE THINGS! HB 12 the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: For they could not endure that which was commanded Like the crowd that only knows One thing in the Bible "Jesus said Don't judge" it becomes their Indulgence to SIN with both hands fervently!REFUSAL to
HEARJeremiah 5:3 O LORD, are not thine eyes upon the truth? thou hast stricken them, but they have not grieved; thou hast consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction: they have made their faces harder than a rock; they have refused to return.Jeremiah 7:28 But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: Judy Taylor; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/14/2005 8:28:11 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Crossmental gymnastics will get you nowhere, Judy. The fact is, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A
THOUSAND PEOPLE standing there. Some of them wanted to stone the woman -- but others, I am sure , were not going to participate. But none of that makes any difference. Jesus knows that they are all sinners and in possession of sin -- so He can make a general challenge, such as He did, knowing that the challenge will not be rebutted -- except, of course, 2000 years later by Judy Taylor. jd cd: There is a difference in pointing out error and stoning someone to death.We can call sin ,sin and are told to do so in the bible. Abstaining from original sin keeps one from being a hypocrite as you are trying to make Judy appear. Adding sin of omission in this manner is clouding the true message of the Gospel-If we are living in the 11 commandments given to us then there is no sin of omission for to have love of the brethren we will be helping them-by correction
their error(s) ,and giving to them for their needs-then there is on sin of omission.Ifnot- feel free to point out those other sins of omission? -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who is trying to kill you, Blaine, or anyone else JD. Don't make this into something it's not. The men Jesus was speaking to were going to stone the adultress to death but noone said a word about the man and the Law said they were both to be stoned. As for TT. Mormon handshakes and sacred signs are occult and Mormonism itself is considered to be a cult by Mainstream Christianity. So what is your problem?
Does speaking the truth to you make the messenger your enemy?On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:00:22 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I didn't take it as a personal insult. I knew you didn't have that thought. No apology needed, but yours is appreciated, nonetheless. Fair is fair, Blaine, but I think we both know the rest of the story. You are right -- on TT it is apparently OK to do or say whatever as long as one thinks the opponentisthe enemy. When Christ said "He who is without sin cast the .," it is clear the He believed that all possess sin at any given momenton some level ...but the
sinless perfection crowd arrogantly disagrees (when it is so obvious otherwise.)jdFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmmm, JD is right, denigrating the symbols of another's religious beliefs was wrong. I apologize--apparently I offended JD, although I did so unthinkingly and without intention. It just came off the top of my head. Sometimes we get too caught up in proving our opinions and beliefs are more valid than every one else's, and I think I may have done just that. Now, if I may, I would like to ask for an apology from anyone who supported waving Mormon underclothing in public by the
street preachers at general conference in Salt Lake City. And, the same for those who more recently have denigrated Mormon handshakes, and other sacred symbols on TT. And the same for those who have insisted on spelling "Mormon" with a lower-case letter.:) What is fair is fair, huh? BlainerbIn a message dated 12/13/2005 8:37:10 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Yes ! and , by the way, DH, your assessment of the world's point of view on this is neither accurate or relevant. and this statementborders on insulting:One of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy says:'I don't know these men and I have said nothing, repeat nothing, about them personally..

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

Perhaps you should just post what you mean and mean what you post?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it safe to assume then, Judy, that 'YOU are reading MY Words with the help of the powers of darkness who are the ones who scramble words; interject different meanings, and keep confusion going'? Also, if you read my words in this fashion then, what of the words of John, Bill, 'G' etc.? Perhaps we should not be upset when you charge either us or 'living/dead theologians' as the problem is indeed yours.- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 15, 2005 06:37 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy says:'I don't know these men and I have said nothing, repeat nothing, about them personally.."I take your correction to heart, Judy. As to the aforemention persons, let's just say that you've offered a much milder treatmen below than on other occasions.- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 15, 2005 06:20 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy says:'I don't know these men and I have said nothing, repeat nothing, about them personally.."You are doing with my words what your mentors do with God's Word Lance - which is interjecting your own reasonings. As for Calvin and Barth.
Barth had his own issues with God's Word which I prefer to let lie with him - Calvin however is in my face at church and heis something else. Here is a man who apparently taught and his disciples today(whoappear intelligent in every other way) - teach and lead othersto pass on the image of a Heavenly Father- the one Jesus loved and communed with daily - who in His Sovereignty decrees a thing and then punishes His Creation for doingwhat He decrees. Along the same lines he decrees some saved and some lost so the responsibility there is all on Him.Since Jesus warned everyone (including you and I) to take heed how we hear. I am amazed that thiscanbe happening in our day. In some circless there are moreppl paying heed to these men's words than the Words of Jesus Himself.As for what I said to you Lance - you have even put your own spin on that. I never said anything about your teaching. Go back and read it again (I wonder if you do all of your reading this way). I said you were reading MY WORDS with the help of the powers of darkness who are the ones who scramble words, interject different meanings,and keep confusion going. I said nothing at all about your teaching or who does or does not help you. So let's at least deal with the truth of the matter Lance.On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:32:09 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:"I don't
have to accept their public teachings when they are not in line with the CLEAR TEACHING OF GOD'S WORD' (implicit within this: AS I SEE IT/God has granted Me (Judy Taylor) the 'spiritual discernment' to see what such as Calvin Barth could not see) IMO, what is further implicit in what you've said both here and previously, Judy:To reject a person's public teaching is not the same as 'denigrating them personally' so, I do separate teaching/doing/ the Word.When I say of Lance 'YOU ARE TEACHING WITH THE HELP OF THE POWERS OF DARKNESS, LANCE', I refer, of course, only to Lance's teaching; not to his person. (Is this the case, Judy)May I then feel free to similarly adjudicate with respect to your own teaching/person? MR MODERATER(S): May I employ Judy's _expression_ when speaking of her word for word?From: Judy Taylor I don't know these men and I said nothing, repeat nothing, about them personally. I don't have to accept their public teachings when they are not in line with the clear teaching of God's Word. To say that I personally denigrate these men is a LIEOn Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:00:25 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:An evil accusation you say, Judy? Why don't you research your comments on Polanyi, Torrance, Barth et al?From: Judy Taylor You are reading with the help of the powers of darkness Lance. I do not denigrate people. This is an unfounded and evil accusation. On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:40:39 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:No accusation here, Judy. This is a simple statement of objective truth.You are forever denigrating persons both on and off TT. You call it speaking the truth when so doing. From: Judy Taylor Oh, here is one I missed, 1. Yes most of the time I find your writings to be unclear rather than plain Lance 2. No I don't imply anything, I figure those whowalk after the Spiritunderstand God's Word. 3. This accusation is uncalled for Lance because what I addressed was personal accusations and this is what you are doing right here. Obviously you didn't understand what I was addressing ... Oh well! What's newOn Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:32:11 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:JUDY:Am I being unclear? (I often am). Let me take

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

Take up your star daily, and follow me.Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Take up your star daily, and follow me".[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, JW's have their own reasons, I suppose--probably different from ours. Most JW's despise Mormons, just as they despise all non-JW Christians. I don't believe we despise your religious tenets--we honor your right to believe as you wish, we just don't
agree with everything you teach. Sometimes the contrast seems to be a put down for you, but it is more just an assertion of what we believe, and some take offense at that. The cross is a deeply embedded symbol of Jesus Christ, and I have no real argument with that--I just like stars better, especially since kevin and Co. have been so aggressive in trying to make the ones on our temples appear to represent Satanism. His efforts have only all the more convinced me that stars are better than crosses--actually I never really thought much or even cared much about the subject until coming under attack. But now, I have to take sides, and you guys are forcing me (us) to take a position. So, my position, is naturally, stars are better than crosses. :) However, I have to say I still have no really strong feelings against crosses--as I said, they are clearly deeply embedded in the Christian psyche--which
includes mine as well as yours. In a message dated 12/13/2005 7:13:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isnât it interesting that the mormon viewpoint about the Cross is the same as the JWitnesses? They also think of it as an ugly symbol. izFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]But we still think the cross as a visible symbol of Jesus falls short of what He stands for--the most important of which is resurrection to life in the Kingdom of God--God's life. We do not think that is adequately represented by a cross.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man?AND how do you do such?Ifind that most that speak like this are DOing nothing of consequence. They love in "WORD" but never in DEED! It tends to be a device to soothe their conscience. The bible speaks of it this way.My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. Talk is cheap it does not cost a thing!As a proponent of PURE RELIGION Pure religion and undefiled before God and the
Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.What are you DOing? Tell us of your DEEDS. Looking foward to your TESTIMONY! PTL! Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean Moore wrote: You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man? How about passing by the wounded on the road to
Damascus? How about the guy broke down alongside the interstate? Can you please God by telling the thirsty guy he needs to be saved and leave him in thirst. Can you hand a tract to the guy broke down miles from nowhere and go on? I would never do that and neither would you.Terry cd: There is a difference in pointing out error and stoning someone to death.We can call sin ,sin and are told to do so in the bible. Abstaining from original sin keeps one from being a hypocrite as you are trying to make Judy appear. Adding sin of omission in this manner is clouding the true message of the Gospel-If
we are living in the 11 commandments given to us then there is no sin of omission for to have love of the brethren we will be helping them-by correction their error(s) ,and giving to them for their needs-then there is on sin of omission.Ifnot- feel free to point out those other sins of omission?

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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

cd: Then tell me whydoes Jesus wears the marks of the cross on his body? Thomas was told to touch the nail prints in his hands and to trust his hand into the spear mark in his side-Christ wears them so that we will remember to give his glory for our salvation on the cross-that is why the cross is mentioned many times in the NT.The Cross is for the glory of Christwho went humblythere to die as a lamb lead to the slaughter.Yet Mormons claim that Smithwas as a lamb lead to the slaughter-while killing two men and seriously wounding a third to keep from dying so he could keep from meeting God. John the Baptist according to history-on the other hand ran and placed his heard on the chopping block to meet God. Something strange is going on in Mormonland.You hit the "NAIL" right on the
head! Are you Bearing the MARKS? Gal 6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.2 Co 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/14/2005 2:22:27 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CrossEXACTLY what he finds weird.DAVEH: WWJD. Have you ever wondered if Jesus feels like...I will cling to the old rugged
cross.again.ordo you think he wants to be reminded of...The emblem of suffering and shame...it he experienced on it? Do you think Jesus feels the crossHas a wondrous attractionFor...'twas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,which may not be something our Lord needs to be reminded about, so why do Christians think he'll..cherish the old rugged cross,...Unless they feel he needs to be reminded of..The emblem of suffering and shame;...it represents. IFF it wouldn't be surprising that Jesus would find such thinking weird, then why wouldn't Christians consider the feelings Jesus may have about the cross? cd: Then tell me whydoes Jesus wears the marks of the cross on his body? Thomas was told to touch the nail prints in his hands and to trust his hand into the spear mark in his side-Christ wears them so that we will remember to give his glory for our salvation on the cross-that is why the cross is mentioned many times in the NT.The Cross is for the glory of Christwho went humblythere to die as a lamb lead to
the slaughter.Yet Mormons claim that Smithwas as a lamb lead to the slaughter-while killing two men and seriously wounding a third to keep from dying so he could keep from meeting God. John the Baptist according to history-on the other hand ran and placed his heard on the chopping block to meet God. Something strange is going on in Mormonland.Kevin Deegan wrote: Still waiting on Blaines explanation of EXACTLY what he finds weird.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE OLD RUGGED CROSS On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,The emblem of suffering and shame;And I love that old cross where the dearest and bestFor a world of lost sinners was slain. So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,Till my trophies at last I lay down;I will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it some day for a crown. O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world,Has a wondrous attraction for me;For the dear Lamb of God left His glory aboveTo bear it to dark Calvary. So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,Till my trophies at last I lay down;I will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it some day for a crown. In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,A wondrous beauty I
see,For 'twas on that old cr oss Jesus suffered and died,To pardon and sanctify me. So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,Till my trophies at last I lay down;I will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it some day for a crown. To the old rugged cross I will ever be true;Its shame and reproach gladly bear;Then He'll call me some day to my home far away,Where His glory forever I'll share. So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,Till my t rophies at last I lay down;I will cling to the old rugged cross,And exchange it some day for a crown. Yes, a lost person would think that those lyrics are weird, indeed. izFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:11 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CrossIn a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:One of the best songs I ever heard was titled, He Loved Me with a Cross. izOne of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged Cross. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old rugged cross. :)Blainerb Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

A rather simple task is to read the post instead of going off half cocked[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:And what does yourlittle chuck and jive have to do with Terry's remarks to Dean? Not one single thing. Few on this site have a clue as to "ad hom." but your comments below are "ad hom." By definition, ad hom is any statement that does not go directly to thediscussion or remarks at hand. Another phrase for "ad hom" is "begging the question." "Truth" regarding "ad hom" has NOTHING TO DO WITH "AD HOM."This is just something you allmade up. If the response is an atack on any other issue but the one present, it is begging the question and is "ad hom." You
have this fantasy that you are busier doing the "Lord's work" than anyone else. A ridiculous assertion or two levels ("busier" and "Lord's work).. You are constantly demanding that those who offer a criticisim measure up to YOU.. Get a life and stay on subject --- or maybe you just cannot do this rather simple task. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man?AND how do you do such?
Ifind that most that speak like this are DOing nothing of consequence. They love in "WORD" but never in DEED! It tends to be a device to soothe their conscience. The bible speaks of it this way.My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. Talk is cheap it does not cost a thing!As a proponent of PURE RELIGION Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.What are you DOing? Tell us of your DEEDS. Looking foward to your TESTIMONY! PTL! Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean Moore wrote: You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man? How about passing by the wounded on the road to Damascus? How about the guy broke down alongside the interstate? Can you please God by telling the thirsty guy he needs to be saved and leave him in thirst. Can you hand a tract to the guy broke down miles from nowhere and go on? I would never do that
and neither would you.Terry cd: There is a difference in pointing out error and stoning someone to death.We can call sin ,sin and are told to do so in the bible. Abstaining from original sin keeps one from being a hypocrite as you are trying to make Judy appear. Adding sin of omission in this manner is clouding the true message of the Gospel-If we are living in the 11 commandments given to us then there is no sin of omission for to have love of the brethren we will be helping them-by correction their error(s) ,and giving to them for their needs-then there is on sin of omission.Ifnot- feel free to point out
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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

It is always Bragging not False Piety? To TESTIFY how you are giving Drink to a thirsty man is BRAGGING? You brought up the subject, I thought you were gonna bless us with some Testimony! Doesn't the bragging part come from ones ATTITUDE? Bragging is not in the essence of the act of compassion but is something that comes forth from within ones heart. To simply say I work at the mission with the homeless would not be bragging. Surely there must be some instance you could relate without bragging To avoid the issue by using a device like I don't want to brag, implies that you are doing so very much we could not avoid the thought. Or that you are doing nothing and must cover up. I see no reason that you could not give a simple statement and not brag. There is a difference between what you do for God AND What is God DOing Through you?
Was Paul BRAGGING in 2 Co 11Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.What was your purpose in the original comments, but to imply you are fufilling while Dean is "only about correcting others"Is the "One who needs to know" Blessed by that? You are concerned and do not want to BRAG but have NO Problem disparaging Dean? Funny how some preach but when asked to display how they are DOing what they ask others to do, well then it would be bragging LOL But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.BTW You are right that God already knowsTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To tell you these things would be bragging, Kev. What I am doing is known by the One who needs to know. He does it through me. Remember the instructions? Don't let your right hand know what the other is doing. Those who brag about their deeds already have their rewards. You might think about that.Terry=====Kevin Deegan wrote: You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about
correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man?AND how do you do such?Ifind that most that speak like this are DOing nothing of consequence. They love in "WORD" but never in DEED! It tends to be a device to soothe their conscience. The bible speaks of it this way.My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. Talk is cheap it does not cost a thing!As a proponent of PURE RELIGION Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the
world.What are you DOing? Tell us of your DEEDS. Looking foward to your TESTIMONY! PTL! Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean Moore wrote: You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man? How about passing by the wounded on the road to Damascus? How about the guy broke
down alongside the interstate? Can you please God by telling the thirsty guy he needs to be saved and leave him in thirst. Can you hand a tract to the guy broke down miles from nowhere and go on? I would never do that and neither would you.Terry cd: There is a difference in pointing out error and stoning someone to death.We can call sin ,sin and are told to do so in the bible. Abstaining from original sin keeps one from being a hypocrite as you are trying to make Judy appear. Adding sin of omission in this manner is clouding the true message of the Gospel-If we are living in the 11 commandments
given to us then there is no sin of omission for to have love of the brethren we will be helping them-by correction their error(s) ,and giving to them for their needs-then there is on sin of omission.Ifnot- feel free to point out those other sins of omission?Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping

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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

The issue is NOT ERROR but wickedness Jesus was dealing with their HEART Condition NOT their ERROR![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Not sure why you are talking about the sin of omission.Christ obviously believed that personal sin was a part the (ontological ??) equation. We see it's implicite reference in the words "andif ye being evil know how to do good .." and again " ..he who is without sin .." and again " .. there is none who are good ..." His sermonrecorded in Matt 5-7 gives usadditional "legal requirement" that most surely finds us all standing "in error." As a matter of fact, oneof the above quotes comes from that sermon. I was just making a point that
Judywas not prepared to accept - a point from scripture, by the way. jd-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: Judy Taylor; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/14/2005 8:28:11 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Crossmental gymnastics will get you nowhere, Judy. The fact is, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A THOUSAND PEOPLE standing there. Some of them wanted to stone the woman -- but others, I am sure , were not going to participate. But none of that makes any
difference. Jesus knows that they are all sinners and in possession of sin -- so He can make a general challenge, such as He did, knowing that the challenge will not be rebutted -- except, of course, 2000 years later by Judy Taylor. jd cd: There is a difference in pointing out error and stoning someone to death.We can call sin ,sin and are told to do so in the bible. Abstaining from original sin keeps one from being a hypocrite as you are trying to make Judy appear. Adding sin of omission in this manner is clouding the true message of the Gospel-If we are living in the 11 commandments given to us then there is no sin of omission for to have love of the brethren we will be helping them-by correction their error(s) ,and giving to them for their needs-then there is on sin of omission.Ifnot- feel free to point out those other sins of
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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

NAW I am just sick of people that flap their gums. When it comes down to it they are all about words NOT DEEDS!It is a False Piety to saythat another should do such such when one doesNOTHING.God's Work as you put it is NOT LIP SERVICE They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.. They profess to be doing the WORK of God but when pressed they do not want to bragInvariably when preaching in public, some christian comes up to me and says you are doing it wrong you are going to turn them off. (If I had a nickel for every time...) I ask them How many people have you told about Jesus this week? They want to change subjects, any idea why? Guess they want their reward.
Why would someone correct someone else about something they DO NOT DO? Only reason could be, their conscience is bothering them. They know it is RIGHT to witness to the LOST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I read your post a couple of times. My comments appear to be appropriate. -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] A rather simple task is to read the post instead of going off half cocked[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what does yourlittle chuck and jive
have to do with Terry's remarks to Dean? Not one single thing. Few on this site have a clue as to "ad hom." but your comments below are "ad hom." By definition, ad hom is any statement that does not go directly to thediscussion or remarks at hand. Another phrase for "ad hom" is "begging the question." "Truth" regarding "ad hom" has NOTHING TO DO WITH "AD HOM."This is just something you allmade up. If the response is an atack on any other issue but the one present, it is begging the question and is "ad hom." You have this fantasy that you are busier doing the "Lord's work" than anyone else. A ridiculous assertion or two levels ("busier" and "Lord's work).. You are constantly demanding that those who offer a criticisim measure up to YOU.. Get a life and
stay on subject --- or maybe you just cannot do this rather simple task. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man?AND how do you do such?Ifind that most that speak like this are DOing nothing of consequence. They love in "WORD" but never in DEED! It tends to be a device to soothe their conscience. The bible speaks of it this way.My little
children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. Talk is cheap it does not cost a thing!As a proponent of PURE RELIGION Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.What are you DOing? Tell us of your DEEDS. Looking foward to your TESTIMONY! PTL! Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean Moore wrote: You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man? How about passing by the wounded on the road to Damascus? How about the guy broke down alongside the interstate? Can you please God by telling the thirsty guy he needs to be saved and leave him in thirst. Can you hand a tract to the guy broke down miles from nowhere and go on? I would never do that and neither would you.Terry cd: There is a difference in pointing out error and stoning someone to death.We can call sin ,sin and are told to do so in the bible. Abstaining from original sin keeps one from being a hypocrite as you are trying to make Judy appear. Adding sin of omission in this manner is clouding the true message of the Gospel-If we are living in the 11 commandments given to us then there is no sin of omission for to have love of the brethren we will be helping them-by correction their error(s) ,and giving to them for their needs-then there is on sin of omission.Ifnot- feel free to point out those other sins of omission?Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping

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Re: [TruthTalk] Dislocated Humility

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/apologetics/truthapol.html Apologetics, Truth, and Humility by Douglas Groothuis Recently when I was discussing philosophy with an earnest undergraduate student, she informed me that she rejected the idea that she could know "the truth" because this would condemn everyone who disagreed with her. Since philosophers have traditionally exulted in winning arguments instead of eliminating them, I asked why she shunned victory in favor of terminal agnosticism. She explained, "If I claim to know the truth, then I must also claim that whoever disagrees with me is wrong, and that would make me intolerably arrogant." This student was suffering from a case of dislocated humility. Instead of being rightly
humble about her ability always to know truly or infallibly, she was instead humble over the mere *possibility* of discovering the truth. She identified the very idea of possessing truth with pride. I suggested a shift in perspective: What if we view truth as something that might be discovered by diligent seekers? Then one who claims to know the truth need not be arrogant. She need not view herself pridefully as the owner or creator of truth, but could rather behave as a humble servant of truth who wants to make it known to others for their own good. She could thus humbly enter into dialogue over the matter by giving arguments and evidence to support her views. The student reluctantly admitted that she had never thought of it that way before, and said she would think more about it. I prayed she would, because until she grasps the concept of *attainable* truth, she
will never comprehend the identity of Christ, who is "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6). This encounter highlights how crucial humility is to the Christians apologetic task in a world steeped in relativism. On the one hand we must place humility in the right place. We should never misplace our humility by disparaging the only thing that will ever set anyone free-- the truth itself. The central claims of God's revelation should be understood, explained and defended. I thank the one true God that this journal and those involved in apologetics ministries are providing sound reasons for the faith and are challenging the critics of Christianity. On the other hand, ambitious Christian apologists often lose something indispensable in the very process of defending the indispensable. In refusing to jettison the idea of truth, we often jettison humility instead. We can
become, as the student feared, arrogant. We may hold the truth falsely. It is dangerously easy for apologists to become prideful when we identify the truth with our ego instead of with God Himself. Instead of contending for "the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints" (Jude 3), we may end up contending for our *own* infallibility. We should heed Blaise Pascal, who wrote in his PensÇes (Thoughts on Religion and Some Other Subjects) that "it is false piety to preserve peace at the expense of truth. It is also false zeal to preserve truth at the expense of charity." Several facts can point us toward the fruitful partnership of true piety and true zeal. First, Christian truth is best defended when it is *held both firmly and humbly*-- in the manner one would hold a newborn child. It is infinitely precious and therefore worth defending; but it is a gift not of our own
making. We lay no claim to its greatness or even to the fact that we recognize it as truth (Eph 2:8-9). We know by grace that grace may be known. If we speak of "our faith" we should emphasize that the truth is not our possession; rather the truth possesses us. No one put it better than G.K. Chesterton in 'Orthodoxy' who confessed concerning Christianity: "I will not call it my philosophy; for I did not make it. God and humanity made it; and it made me." Second, our knowledge of biblical truth should *grow over a lifetime*. Orthodoxy will always exceed my present understanding of orthodoxy. The humble apologist will defend Christianity's core claims to the best of his ability -- the inspiration of Scripture, the Trinity, the Incarnation, justification by faith, and so on -- while remaining open to discussion about less central and more debatable issues such as the particularities of
eschatology or church government. Third, Jesus said that the meek, not the belligerent, will inherit the earth. No matter how winsome the presentation, the gospel will offend those with hardened hearts; but we should *avoid increasing the offense through arrogance*. Paul is a model when he says, "We have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us" (2 Cor. 4:7). The principles of Paul's pastoral instruction to Timothy apply to all apologists: "And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct,

Re: [TruthTalk] sweat

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

Sure just let me know what you need I'll be there for you.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Blainerb: These are the words of Jesus Christ--as revealed to the prophet Joseph Smith. Thanks, Kevin, I was trying to find them. In a message dated 12/15/2005 8:47:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:AND SHRINK?  DC 19 Therefore I command you to
 repentârepent, lest I smite you by the rod of my mouth, and by my wrath, and by my anger, and your sufferings be soreâhow sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear you know not. For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent;17But if they would not repent they must suffer even as I;18Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore,
 and to suffer both body and spiritâand would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrinkâNevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men.
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] sweat

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

The Holy Bible is the authority.  The bible does not teach any such thingAs a Matter of fact where does the BoM or DC teach such?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In a message dated 12/15/2005 8:47:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  Jesus Christ did not ATONE for our sins by suffering in the GardenThanks Kevin, we were waiting for the final word from your Royal Highness . . . Now we know the
 truth because you said it--What greater authority can we have, than Kevin of TT?Blainerb   
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

Don't get so emotional.Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am really sick of real stupid people who ASSUME to have facts they do not have. I believe the Bible refers to them as gossips.TerryKevin Deegan wrote: NAW I am just sick of people that flap their gums. When it comes down to it they are all about words NOT DEEDS!It is a False Piety to saythat another should do such such when one doesNOTHING.God's Work as you put it is NOT LIP SERVICE They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work
reprobate.. They profess to be doing the WORK of God but when pressed they do not want to bragInvariably when preaching in public, some christian comes up to me and says you are doing it wrong you are going to turn them off. (If I had a nickel for every time...) I ask them How many people have you told about Jesus this week? They want to change subjects, any idea why? Guess they want their reward. Why would someone correct someone else about something they DO NOT DO? Only reason could be, their conscience is bothering them. They know it is RIGHT to witness to the LOST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I read your post a couple of
times. My comments appear to be appropriate. -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] A rather simple task is to read the post instead of going off half cocked[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what does yourlittle chuck and jive have to do with Terry's remarks to Dean? Not one single thing. Few on this site have a clue as to "ad hom." but your comments below are "ad hom." By definition, ad hom is any statement that does not go
directly to thediscussion or remarks at hand. Another phrase for "ad hom" is "begging the question." "Truth" regarding "ad hom" has NOTHING TO DO WITH "AD HOM."This is just something you allmade up. If the response is an atack on any other issue but the one present, it is begging the question and is "ad hom." You have this fantasy that you are busier doing the "Lord's work" than anyone else. A ridiculous assertion or two levels ("busier" and "Lord's work).. You are constantly demanding that those who offer a criticisim measure up to YOU.. Get a life and stay on subject --- or maybe you just cannot do this rather simple task. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man?AND how do you do such?Ifind that most that speak like this are DOing nothing of consequence. They love in "WORD" but never in DEED! It tends to be a device to soothe their conscience. The bible speaks of it this way.My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in
truth. Talk is cheap it does not cost a thing!As a proponent of PURE RELIGION Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.What are you DOing? Tell us of your DEEDS. Looking foward to your TESTIMONY! PTL! Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean Moore wrote: You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man? How about passing by the wounded on the road to Damascus? How about the guy broke down alongside the interstate? Can you please God by telling the thirsty guy he needs to be saved and leave him in thirst. Can you hand a tract to the guy broke down miles from nowhere and go on? I would never do that and neither would you.Terry cd: There is a difference in pointing out error and stoning someone to death.We can call sin ,sin and are told to do so in the bible. Abstaining from original sin keeps one from being a hypocrite as you are trying to make Judy appear. Adding sin of omission in this manner is clouding the true message of the Gospel-If we are living in the 11 commandments given to us then there is no sin of omission for to have love of the brethren we will be helping them-by correction their error(s) ,and giving to them for their needs-then there is on sin of omission.Ifnot- feel free to point out those other sins of omission?Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping

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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

Maybe you meantalebearer as the word gossip does not appearGossip n One who runs from house to house, tattling and telling news; an idle tattler.TA'LEBEARER, n. [tale and bear.] A person who officiously tells tales; one who impertinently communicates intelligence or anecdotes, and makes mischief in society by his officiousness.OFFI'CIOUS a. Busy; intermeddling in affairs in which one has no concern. Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am really sick of real stupid people who ASSUME to have facts they do not have. I believe the Bible refers to them as gossips.TerryKevin Deegan wrote: NAW I am just sick of people that flap their gums. When it comes down to it they are all about words NOT DEEDS!It is a False Piety to saythat another should do such such when one doesNOTHING.God's Work as you put it is NOT LIP SERVICE They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.. They profess to be doing the WORK of God but when pressed they do not want to bragInvariably when preaching in public, some christian comes up to me and says you are doing it wrong you are going to turn them off. (If I had a nickel for every time...) I ask them How many people have you told about Jesus this week? They
want to change subjects, any idea why? Guess they want their reward. Why would someone correct someone else about something they DO NOT DO? Only reason could be, their conscience is bothering them. They know it is RIGHT to witness to the LOST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I read your post a couple of times. My comments appear to be appropriate. -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] A rather simple task is to read the post instead of
going off half cocked[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what does yourlittle chuck and jive have to do with Terry's remarks to Dean? Not one single thing. Few on this site have a clue as to "ad hom." but your comments below are "ad hom." By definition, ad hom is any statement that does not go directly to thediscussion or remarks at hand. Another phrase for "ad hom" is "begging the question." "Truth" regarding "ad hom" has NOTHING TO DO WITH "AD HOM."This is just something you allmade up. If the response is an atack on any other issue but the one present, it is begging the question and is "ad hom."
You have this fantasy that you are busier doing the "Lord's work" than anyone else. A ridiculous assertion or two levels ("busier" and "Lord's work).. You are constantly demanding that those who offer a criticisim measure up to YOU.. Get a life and stay on subject --- or maybe you just cannot do this rather simple task. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a
drink to a thirsty man?AND how do you do such?Ifind that most that speak like this are DOing nothing of consequence. They love in "WORD" but never in DEED! It tends to be a device to soothe their conscience. The bible speaks of it this way.My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. Talk is cheap it does not cost a thing!As a proponent of PURE RELIGION Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
What are you DOing? Tell us of your DEEDS. Looking foward to your TESTIMONY! PTL! Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean Moore wrote: You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man? How about passing by the wounded on the road to Damascus? How about the guy broke down alongside the interstate? Can you please God by
telling the thirsty guy he needs to be saved and leave him in thirst. Can you hand a tract to the guy broke down miles from nowhere and go on? I would never do that and neither would you.Terry cd: There is a difference in pointing out error and stoning someone to death.We can call sin ,sin and are told to do so in the bible. Abstaining from original sin keeps one from being a hypocrite as you are trying to make Judy appear. Adding sin of omission in this manner is clouding the true message of the Gospel-If we are living in the 11 commandments given to us then there is no sin of omission for to have love
of the brethren we will be helping them-by correction their error(s) ,and giving to them for their needs-then there is on sin of omission.Ifnot- feel free to point out those other sins of omission?Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holid

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

Well TerryI am not going to stoop to using the words real stupid.  Why have you become so emotional?Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Offi'cious is a new word for me, but I like it. It does the job, maybe even better than gossip.Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe you meantalebearer as the word gossip does not appearGossip n One who runs from house to house, tattling and telling news; an idle tattler.TA'LEBEARER, n. [tale and bear.] A person who officiously tells tales; one who impertinently communicates intelligence or anecdotes, and makes mischief in society by his
 officiousness.OFFI'CIOUS a. Busy; intermeddling in affairs in which one has no concern.  Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I am really sick of real stupid people who ASSUME to have facts they do not have. I believe the Bible refers to them as gossips.TerryKevin Deegan wrote: NAW I am just sick of people that flap their gums.  When it comes down to it they are all about words NOT DEEDS!It is a False Piety to saythat another should do such  such when one doesNOTHING.God's Work as
 you put it is NOT LIP SERVICE  They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate..  They profess to be doing the WORK of God but when pressed they do not want to brag
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] jd versus JD

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

Who are you accusing in the subject line above? jd[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You have turned the "flapping of the gums" into a vocation, Kevin. This is not completely true, however, if you still have that one tooth.I suspect that Terry is a full-time Christian. I met your challenge and what did we get for that -- yet another challenge of someone else. You are a lazy Christian, Kevin, doing those things that so often do not count for much but take a considerable amount of time.nothing to be proud of. You get no more tired of the senseless than do the rest of us. jd-- Original message ------ From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] NAW I am just sick of people that flap their gums. When it comes down to it they are all about words NOT DEEDS!It is a False Piety to saythat another should do such such when one doesNOTHING.God's Work as you put it is NOT LIP SERVICE They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.. They profess to be doing the WORK of God but when pressed they do not want to bragInvariably when preaching in public, some christian comes up to me and says you are doing it wrong you are going to turn them off. (If I had a nickel for every time...)
I ask them How many people have you told about Jesus this week? They want to change subjects, any idea why? Guess they want their reward. Why would someone correct someone else about something they DO NOT DO? Only reason could be, their conscience is bothering them. They know it is RIGHT to witness to the LOST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I read your post a couple of times. My comments appear to be appropriate. -- Original message ------ From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] A rather simple task is to read the post instead of going off half cocked[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And what does yourlittle chuck and jive have to do with Terry's remarks to Dean? Not one single thing. Few on this site have a clue as to "ad hom." but your comments below are "ad hom." By definition, ad hom is any statement that does not go directly to thediscussion or remarks at hand. Another phrase for "ad hom" is "begging the question." "Truth" regarding "ad hom" has NOTHING TO DO WITH "AD HOM."This is just something you allmade up. If the response is an atack on any other issue but the one present, it is begging the question and is "ad hom." You have this fantasy that you are busier doing the "Lord's work" than anyone else. A ridiculous assertion or two levels
("busier" and "Lord's work).. You are constantly demanding that those who offer a criticisim measure up to YOU.. Get a life and stay on subject --- or maybe you just cannot do this rather simple task. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man?AND how do you do such?Ifind that most that speak like this are DOing nothing of consequence. They love in "WORD" but never in
DEED! It tends to be a device to soothe their conscience. The bible speaks of it this way.My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. Talk is cheap it does not cost a thing!As a proponent of PURE RELIGION Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.What are you DOing? Tell us of your DEEDS. Looking foward to your TESTIMONY! PTL!
Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean Moore wrote: You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man? How about passing by the wounded on the road to Damascus? How about the guy broke down alongside the interstate? Can you please God by telling the thirsty guy he needs to be saved and leave him in thirst. Can you hand a tract to the guy broke down miles from nowhere and go on? I would never do that and neither would you.Terry cd: There is a difference in pointing out error and stoning someone to death.We can call sin ,sin and are told to do so in the bible. Abstaining from original sin keeps one from being a hypocrite as you are trying to make Judy appear. Adding sin of omission in this manner is clouding the true message of the Gospel-If we are living in the 11 commandments given to us then there is no sin of omission for to have love of the brethren we will be helping them-by correction their error(s) ,and giving to them for their needs-then there is on sin of omission.Ifnot- feel free to po

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Deegan

if you still have that one tooth."Discussions" with you always devolve into questions of whether your gut hangs below your belt still. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You have turned the "flapping of the gums" into a vocation, Kevin. This is not completely true, however, if you still have that one tooth.I suspect that Terry is a full-time Christian. I met your challenge and what did we get for that -- yet another challenge of someone else. You are a lazy Christian, Kevin, doing those things that so often do not count for much but take a considerable amount of time.nothing to be proud of. You get no more tired of the senseless than do the rest of
us. jd-- Original message ------ From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] NAW I am just sick of people that flap their gums. When it comes down to it they are all about words NOT DEEDS!It is a False Piety to saythat another should do such such when one doesNOTHING.God's Work as you put it is NOT LIP SERVICE They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.. They profess to be doing the WORK of God but when pressed they do not want to bragInvariably when preaching in public, some christian comes up to me
and says you are doing it wrong you are going to turn them off. (If I had a nickel for every time...) I ask them How many people have you told about Jesus this week? They want to change subjects, any idea why? Guess they want their reward. Why would someone correct someone else about something they DO NOT DO? Only reason could be, their conscience is bothering them. They know it is RIGHT to witness to the LOST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I read your post a couple of times. My comments appear to be appropriate. -- Original message ------ From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] A rather simple task
is to read the post instead of going off half cocked[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what does yourlittle chuck and jive have to do with Terry's remarks to Dean? Not one single thing. Few on this site have a clue as to "ad hom." but your comments below are "ad hom." By definition, ad hom is any statement that does not go directly to thediscussion or remarks at hand. Another phrase for "ad hom" is "begging the question." "Truth" regarding "ad hom" has NOTHING TO DO WITH "AD HOM."This is just something you allmade up. If the response is an atack on any other issue but the one present, it is begging the question and is "ad hom." You have this fantasy that you are busier
doing the "Lord's work" than anyone else. A ridiculous assertion or two levels ("busier" and "Lord's work).. You are constantly demanding that those who offer a criticisim measure up to YOU.. Get a life and stay on subject --- or maybe you just cannot do this rather simple task. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man?AND how do you do such?Ifind
that most that speak like this are DOing nothing of consequence. They love in "WORD" but never in DEED! It tends to be a device to soothe their conscience. The bible speaks of it this way.My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. Talk is cheap it does not cost a thing!As a proponent of PURE RELIGION Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.What are you DOing? Tell us of your DEEDS. Looking foward to
your TESTIMONY! PTL! Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean Moore wrote: You have got to be joking, Dean! There is no sin of omission? Is following Christ only about correcting others? How about giving a drink to a thirsty man? How about passing by the wounded on the road to Damascus? How about the guy broke down alongside the interstate? Can you please God by telling the thirsty guy he needs to be saved and leave him in thirst. Can you hand a tract to the guy broke down miles from nowhere and go on? I would never do that and neither would
you.Terry cd: There is a difference in pointing out error and stoning someone to death.We can call sin ,sin and are told to do so in the bible. Abstaining from original sin keeps one from being a hypocrite as you are trying to make Judy appear. Adding sin of omission in this manner is clouding the true message of the Gospel-If we are living in the 11 commandments given to us then there is no sin of omission for to have love of the brethren we will be helping them-by correction their er

Re: [TruthTalk] Congressional Medal of Honor--inverted pentagram

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan

Tel him about the PRICE paid in the Garden Dave.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The cross, to the Christian, is a reminder of the tremendous price that Jesus paidDAVEH: Which price is torturous pain, suffering and death. That is exactly what the cross represents, is that not correct Perry?Charles Perry Locke wrote:   Blaine, you seem to be missing a fine point here. Christians do not use crosses as a symbol of Jesus, like mormons do with stars and planets. The cross, to the Christian, is a reminder of the tremendous price that Jesus paid for our sins. BIG difference. Perry --   ~~~  Dave Hansen  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.langlitz.com  ~~~  If you wish to receive  things I find interesting,  I maintain six email lists...  JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,  STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan

LOLhave you quit beating your wife?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  You OFFEND Jesus ChristDAVEH: Do you suppose the same could be said of those idolizing crosses?Kevin Deegan wrote: You OFFEND Jesus ChristI almost thought you were serious in your Apology tillNow, if I may, I would like to ask for an apology from anyone who supported waving Mormon underclothing in public by the street preachers at general conference in Salt Lake City. And, the same for those who more recently
 have denigrated Mormon handshakes, and other sacred symbols on TT. And the same for those who have insisted on spelling "Mormon" with a lower-case letter.:)  What is fair is fair, huh?   Blainerb--   ~~~  Dave Hansen  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.langlitz.com  ~~~  If you wish to receive  things I find interesting,  I maintain six email lists...  JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,  STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan

So you find it WEIRD too  Do you hate the cross also?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  *EXACTLY what he finds weird.*DAVEH: WWJD.Have you ever wondered if Jesus feels like..._/I will cling to the old rugged cross/_.again.ordo you think he wants to be reminded of..._/The emblem of suffering and shame/_...it he experienced on it? Do you think Jesus feels the cross*/_Has a wondrous attraction..._/*.For...*/_'twas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,_/*which may not be something our Lord needs to be reminded about, so why do Christians think he'll..*/_cherish the old rugged cross,_/*...Unless they feel he needs to be reminded
 of.._/The emblem of suffering and shame;/_...it represents. IFF it wouldn't be surprising that Jesus would find such thinking weird, then why wouldn't Christians consider the feelings Jesus may have about the cross?Kevin Deegan wrote: Still waiting on Blaines explanation of *EXACTLY what he finds weird.* */ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:  *THE OLD RUGGED CROSS *  *On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross, *_/The emblem of suffering and shame;/_* And I love that old cross where the dearest and best For a world of lost sinners was slain.* *_/So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,/_ Till my trophies at last I lay down; *_/I will cling to the old rugged cross,/_* And exchange it some day for a crown.* *O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world, /_Has a wondrous
 attraction for me_/; For the dear Lamb of God left His glory above To bear it to dark Calvary.* */_So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,_/ Till my trophies at last I lay down; /_I will cling to the old rugged cross,_/ And exchange it some day for a crown.* *In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine, A wondrous beauty I see, /_For 'twas on that old cr oss Jesus suffered and died,_/ To pardon and sanctify me.* */_So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,_/ Till my trophies at last I lay down; /_I will cling to the old rugged cross,_/ And exchange it some day for a crown.* *To the old rugged cross I will ever be true; /_Its shame and reproach gladly bear;_/ Then He'll call me some day to my home far away, Where His glory forever I'll share.* */_So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,_/ Till my t rophies at last I lay
 down; _/I will cling to the old rugged cross,/_ And exchange it some day for a crown.* Yes, a lost person would think that those lyrics are "weird", indeed. iz   *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2005 10:11 PM *To:* TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org *Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Cross  In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the best songs I ever heard was titled, "He Loved Me with a Cross". iz One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was //The Old Rugged Cross//. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old
 rugged cross. :) Blainerb   Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping  -- ~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan

You can make up any sort of feelings you want but the scriptures already tell us  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.He despised the SHAME not the Cross like you do.  When you start to actually despise your SIN maybe you will start to understandDave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  *EXACTLY what he finds weird.*DAVEH: WWJD.Have you ever wondered if Jesus feels like..._/I will cling to the old rugged cross/_.again.ordo you think he wants to be reminded of..._/The emblem of suffering and
 shame/_...it he experienced on it? Do you think Jesus feels the cross*/_Has a wondrous attraction..._/*.For...*/_'twas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,_/*which may not be something our Lord needs to be reminded about, so why do Christians think he'll..*/_cherish the old rugged cross,_/*...Unless they feel he needs to be reminded of.._/The emblem of suffering and shame;/_...it represents. IFF it wouldn't be surprising that Jesus would find such thinking weird, then why wouldn't Christians consider the feelings Jesus may have about the cross?Kevin Deegan wrote: Still waiting on Blaines explanation of *EXACTLY what he finds weird.* */ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:  *THE OLD RUGGED CROSS *  *On a hill far away stood an
 old rugged cross, *_/The emblem of suffering and shame;/_* And I love that old cross where the dearest and best For a world of lost sinners was slain.* *_/So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,/_ Till my trophies at last I lay down; *_/I will cling to the old rugged cross,/_* And exchange it some day for a crown.* *O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world, /_Has a wondrous attraction for me_/; For the dear Lamb of God left His glory above To bear it to dark Calvary.* */_So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,_/ Till my trophies at last I lay down; /_I will cling to the old rugged cross,_/ And exchange it some day for a crown.* *In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine, A wondrous beauty I see, /_For 'twas on that old cr oss Jesus suffered and died,_/ To pardon and sanctify me.* */_So I'll cherish the old
 rugged cross,_/ Till my trophies at last I lay down; /_I will cling to the old rugged cross,_/ And exchange it some day for a crown.* *To the old rugged cross I will ever be true; /_Its shame and reproach gladly bear;_/ Then He'll call me some day to my home far away, Where His glory forever I'll share.* */_So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,_/ Till my t rophies at last I lay down; _/I will cling to the old rugged cross,/_ And exchange it some day for a crown.* Yes, a lost person would think that those lyrics are "weird", indeed. iz   *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2005 10:11 PM *To:* TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org *Subject:* Re:
 [TruthTalk] Cross  In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the best songs I ever heard was titled, "He Loved Me with a Cross". iz One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was //The Old Rugged Cross//. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old rugged cross. :) Blainerb   Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping  -- ~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to
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Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan

those who believe themselves to be WITHOUT SIN Are there Christian perfectionists on TT?All those that are WITHOUT SIN raise your hands Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry:I believe that YOU FAIL THE LEAST ON THIS. You raised an important point when speaking of not knowing one's self. IMO, those who believe themselves to be WITHOUT SIN do not!- Original Message - From: Terry
Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 13, 2005 21:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes I do not agree, Iz. In fact, I would say not very perceptive at all. There are sins of commission and there are sins of omission, and it is not too hard to find one or the other in any post on TT. I stand by my statement that it is hard for us to see ourselves as others see us, and if that statement is true, it is also hard for us to see ourselves as the Lord sees us. I would suggest as an eye opener, that anyone on here who thinks that they are squeaky clean in the eyes of the Lord do the following: Go back over your last twenty posts. Examine them closely. See if there is any
meekness, any humility in any of them. Then look again. See if you can see any love for others in your words. Finally, look again, this time to see how well you have managed to edify the Saints that you have been talking with, or down to. If seventy percent is a passing grade, you should see these things in at least fourteen of your posts.I am a miserable failure. How much better are you and Judy doing?TerryShieldsFamily wrote: Very perceptive, jt. izFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:18 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes Because others may have a
critical and jaundiced eye does not necessarily mean there is sin in the objector focus of such criticism - at times it means the person looking needs to work on their own beam.On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:34:43 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: EXATAMUNDO! I have long been mystified by such, Terry. From: Terry Clifton I suspect that you are correct. Sometimes it is hard to see ourselves as others see us.Lance Muir wrote: How, you ask, did I figure that out, Terry? The same way you did. ARE YOU, TERRY, UNAWARE, THAT SOME EXCLUDE THEMSELVES FROM THIS.? From: Terry Clifton Lance Muir wrote: Speaking ONLY of expressions on TT, may I ask ALL participants who have never sinned ON TT to identify themselves. IMO, NOT ONE HAS NOT SINNED ON TT ALONE NEVER MIND THEIR LIVES APART FROM TT. DUH! How did you figure that out? I can spot the sins in you other guys every time you contribute.Terry
judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)

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Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan

Blaine what is all this Talk about PAYING for SINS in the GARDEN? And what is this great drops of Blood sweat thing have to do with Atonement?"The Savior ATONED for our sins by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his life on the cross. It is impossible for us to fully understand how he suffered for all of our sins. In the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused him to feel such agony and heartbreak that be bled from every pore (see DC 19:18-19)." Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg. 66"Jesus then went into the Garden of Gethsemane. There
he suffered most. He suffered greatly on the cross, of course, but other men had died by crucifixion; in fact, a man hung on either side of him as he died on the cross. But no man, nor set of men, nor all men put together, ever suffered what the Redeemer suffered in the garden. He went there to pray and suffer'" (Conference Report, Marion Romney, First Presidency,October 1953, Pg.35). "suffered as only as God would suffer, bearing our griefs, carrying our sorrows, being wounded for our transgressions, voluntarily submitting Himself to the iniquity of us all, just as Isaiah prophesied." "It was in Gethsemane that Jesus took on Himself the sins of the world, in Gethsemane that His pain was equivalent to the cumulative burden of all men, in Gethsemane that He descended below all things so that all could repent and come to Him" (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.15).
"Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood in Gethsemane as he bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all who ever had or ever would repent" ("The Promised Messiah," Bruce R. McConkie pg. 337) "In a garden called Gethsemane, outside Jerusalem's walls, in agony beyond compare, he took upon himself the sins of all men on condition of repentance." ("The Promised Messiah," Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie pg. 552) "And as he came out of the Garden, delivering himself voluntarily into the hands of wicked men, the victory had been won. There remained yet the shame and the pain of his attest, his trials, and his cross. But all these were overshadowed by the agonies and sufferings in Gethsemane. It was on the cross that he 'suffered death in the flesh,' even
as many have suffered agonizing deaths, but it was in Gethsemane that "he suffered the pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto him." "The Mortal Messiah," McConkie pg. 127-128Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane. Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The Atonement, Friend, Mar. 1989, 39BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A Bible! A Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the Mount of Olives, that Jesus made his perfect atonement by the shedding of his blood-more so than on the cross. Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, Where and under what circumstances was the atoning sacrifice of the Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of Calvary or in the Garden of Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ that most
Christians look when centering their attention upon the infinite and eternal atonement. And certainly the sacrifice of our Lord was completed when he was lifted up by men; also, that part of his life and suffering is more dramatic and, perhaps, more soul stirring. But in reality the pain and suffering, the triumph and grandeur, of the atonement took place primarily in Gethsemane, (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary 1:774)The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind, not on the cross but in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Russell M. Nelson, His Mission and Ministry, New Era, Dec. 1999)the preaching of the CROSSis to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God 1 Co 1:18Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we just like stars better. :) BlainerbJesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane. Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The Atonement, Friend, Mar. 1989, 39"The Savior atoned for our sins by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his life on the cross. It is impossible for us to fully understand how he suffered for all of our sins. In the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused him to feel such agony and heartbreak that be bled
from every pore (see DC 19:18-19)." Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg. 66BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A Bible! A Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the Mount of Olives, that Jesus made his perfect atonement by the shedding of his blood-more so than on the cross. Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, Where and under w

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