Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/18/2006 12:14:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Gary appears to be 'reading the same bible' as I am, Dean. Hm? I guess the obvious question would then be.. cd: The only thing it could be Lance is which part do you and Gary ignore and which part do you believe?I personally think that the whole should be researched and formed into one's doctrine. This is the core of our discussion/debates within this entire group-How much of the Bible does one believe-whole or part? Epaphrasbelieved others could do this and prayed to God for this- why not us Lance?Would he pray for the impossible. Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always laboring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God. These guys didn't believe in the whole word of God either. Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. But I am at a loss on how to convince one who will not receive the whole by using the truth of the whole that they deny-to make my point. A paradox then exists and confusion reins that God is not the author of-that then only leaves Satan's handiwork-You knowthe one who promotes sin against God's commandments that you group declares one does not have to keep.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 8:15:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I am truly at a loss myself Dean, when I encounter those who do not agree with that which God has shown so clearly in the whole of the Scriptures along with history/logic/language/ every imagineable discipline. The outcome of the foregoing is, of course, the truth.Which truth, you ask? Well..mine, of course. So then, to disagree with me IS to disagree with God. cd: Then to determine which is correct what standard does one use Lance-if not the word of GOD Lance? Tell me and I will look into this other truth because according to your statementstheone I am using (entire word of God) isn't the correct truth so I am in danger and my soul is at risk. What would you tell me to help my soul Lance?Please help me see my error for using the complete word of God?? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 08:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/18/2006 12:14:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Gary appears to be 'reading the same bible' as I am, Dean. Hm? I guess the obvious question would then be.. cd: The only thing it could be Lance is which part do you and Gary ignore and which part do you believe?I personally think that the whole should be researched and formed into one's doctrine. This is the core of our discussion/debates within this entire group-How much of the Bible does one believe-whole or part? Epaphrasbelieved others could do this and prayed to God for this- why not us Lance?Would he pray for the impossible. Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always laboring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God. These guys didn't believe in the whole word of God either. Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. But I am at a loss on how to convince one who will not receive the whole by using the truth of the whole that they deny-to make my point. A paradox then exists and confusion reins that God is not the author of-that then only leaves Satan's handiwork-You knowthe one who promotes sin against God's commandments that you group declares one does not have to keep.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
I don't know you as God knows you, Dean. However, from what I read it'd appear that your 'soul'' (have you actually got one of those?) is in no danger. You just disagree with me along with a multitude of other believers. No surprise there, Dean. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 08:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 8:15:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I am truly at a loss myself Dean, when I encounter those who do not agree with that which God has shown so clearly in the whole of the Scriptures along with history/logic/language/ every imagineable discipline. The outcome of the foregoing is, of course, the truth.Which truth, you ask? Well..mine, of course. So then, to disagree with me IS to disagree with God. cd: Then to determine which is correct what standard does one use Lance-if not the word of GOD Lance? Tell me and I will look into this other truth because according to your statementstheone I am using (entire word of God) isn't the correct truth so I am in danger and my soul is at risk. What would you tell me to help my soul Lance?Please help me see my error for using the complete word of God?? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 08:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/18/2006 12:14:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Gary appears to be 'reading the same bible' as I am, Dean. Hm? I guess the obvious question would then be.. cd: The only thing it could be Lance is which part do you and Gary ignore and which part do you believe?I personally think that the whole should be researched and formed into one's doctrine. This is the core of our discussion/debates within this entire group-How much of the Bible does one believe-whole or part? Epaphrasbelieved others could do this and prayed to God for this- why not us Lance?Would he pray for the impossible. Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always laboring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God. These guys didn't believe in the whole word of God either. Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. But I am at a loss on how to convince one who will not receive the whole by using the truth of the whole that they deny-to make my point. A paradox then exists and confusion reins that God is not the author of-that then only leaves Satan's handiwork-You knowthe one who promotes sin against God's commandments that you group declares one does not have to keep.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 8:39:59 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I don't know you as God knows you, Dean. However, from what I read it'd appear that your 'soul'' (have you actually got one of those?) is in no danger. You just disagree with me along with a multitude of other believers. No surprise there, Dean. cd: Then if my soul (which we all have and is the property of Godthat has to be returned back to him in a shape he will receive it- not throw it away because of the deformities of sin) is in no danger and you are teaching opposite from me do you not consider your soul be in danger?Are there two gospels Lance? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 08:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 8:15:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I am truly at a loss myself Dean, when I encounter those who do not agree with that which God has shown so clearly in the whole of the Scriptures along with history/logic/language/ every imagineable discipline. The outcome of the foregoing is, of course, the truth.Which truth, you ask? Well..mine, of course. So then, to disagree with me IS to disagree with God. cd: Then to determine which is correct what standard does one use Lance-if not the word of GOD Lance? Tell me and I will look into this other truth because according to your statementstheone I am using (entire word of God) isn't the correct truth so I am in danger and my soul is at risk. What would you tell me to help my soul Lance?Please help me see my error for using the complete word of God?? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 08:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/18/2006 12:14:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Gary appears to be 'reading the same bible' as I am, Dean. Hm? I guess the obvious question would then be.. cd: The only thing it could be Lance is which part do you and Gary ignore and which part do you believe?I personally think that the whole should be researched and formed into one's doctrine. This is the core of our discussion/debates within this entire group-How much of the Bible does one believe-whole or part? Epaphrasbelieved others could do this and prayed to God for this- why not us Lance?Would he pray for the impossible. Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always laboring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God. These guys didn't believe in the whole word of God either. Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. But I am at a loss on how to convince one who will not receive the whole by using the truth of the whole that they deny-to make my point. A paradox then exists and confusion reins that God is not the author of-that then only leaves Satan's handiwork-You knowthe one who promotes sin against God's commandments that you group declares one does not have to keep.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Just one (1) gospel, Dean. Mine. Seriously Dean, you've obviously read the Scriptures with some care and, developed from that 'reading' a pretty decent theology. It is but one (1) of a myriad of theologies extant throughout the believing communities worldwide. Relax Dean, I've no doubt that some of what you believe is quite true while some, all theological reflection being provisional, is not. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 09:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 8:39:59 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I don't know you as God knows you, Dean. However, from what I read it'd appear that your 'soul'' (have you actually got one of those?) is in no danger. You just disagree with me along with a multitude of other believers. No surprise there, Dean. cd: Then if my soul (which we all have and is the property of Godthat has to be returned back to him in a shape he will receive it- not throw it away because of the deformities of sin) is in no danger and you are teaching opposite from me do you not consider your soul be in danger?Are there two gospels Lance? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 08:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 8:15:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I am truly at a loss myself Dean, when I encounter those who do not agree with that which God has shown so clearly in the whole of the Scriptures along with history/logic/language/ every imagineable discipline. The outcome of the foregoing is, of course, the truth.Which truth, you ask? Well..mine, of course. So then, to disagree with me IS to disagree with God. cd: Then to determine which is correct what standard does one use Lance-if not the word of GOD Lance? Tell me and I will look into this other truth because according to your statementstheone I am using (entire word of God) isn't the correct truth so I am in danger and my soul is at risk. What would you tell me to help my soul Lance?Please help me see my error for using the complete word of God?? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 08:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/18/2006 12:14:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Gary appears to be 'reading the same bible' as I am, Dean. Hm? I guess the obvious question would then be.. cd: The only thing it could be Lance is which part do you and Gary ignore and which part do you believe?I personally think that the whole should be researched and formed into one's doctrine. This is the core of our discussion/debates within this entire group-How much of the Bible does one believe-whole or part? Epaphrasbelieved others could do this and prayed to God for this- why not us Lance?Would he pray for the impossible. Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always laboring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God. These guys didn't believe in the whole word of God either. Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. But I am at a loss on how to convince one
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 9:24:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Just one (1) gospel, Dean. Mine. Seriously Dean, you've obviously read the Scriptures with some care and, developed from that 'reading' a pretty decent theology. It is but one (1) of a myriad of theologies extant throughout the believing communities worldwide. Relax Dean, I've no doubt that some of what you believe is quite true while some, all theological reflection being provisional, is not. cd: I will relax whenI get to heaven till then this is part of my suffering-concern for your soul, Lance-whichI have chosen to receive. As you know the Bible states that we will be hated by the whole world as one of the signs of Christianity-but we are to not to worry/rather be of good cheerbecause they hated our master before they hated us-and we are not greater than He is. Tell me of all the "myriad of theologies extant throughout the believing communities worldwide" which one do you see hated the most and that put emphasis one living the entire word of God? Answer that and you will know the truthand the lie(S). Remember we can support all of our belief by the complete word of God. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 09:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 8:39:59 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I don't know you as God knows you, Dean. However, from what I read it'd appear that your 'soul'' (have you actually got one of those?) is in no danger. You just disagree with me along with a multitude of other believers. No surprise there, Dean. cd: Then if my soul (which we all have and is the property of Godthat has to be returned back to him in a shape he will receive it- not throw it away because of the deformities of sin) is in no danger and you are teaching opposite from me do you not consider your soul be in danger?Are there two gospels Lance? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 08:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 8:15:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I am truly at a loss myself Dean, when I encounter those who do not agree with that which God has shown so clearly in the whole of the Scriptures along with history/logic/language/ every imagineable discipline. The outcome of the foregoing is, of course, the truth.Which truth, you ask? Well..mine, of course. So then, to disagree with me IS to disagree with God. cd: Then to determine which is correct what standard does one use Lance-if not the word of GOD Lance? Tell me and I will look into this other truth because according to your statementstheone I am using (entire word of God) isn't the correct truth so I am in danger and my soul is at risk. What would you tell me to help my soul Lance?Please help me see my error for using the complete word of God?? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 08:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/18/2006 12:14:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Gary appears to be 'reading the same bible' as I am, Dean. Hm? I guess the obvious question would then be.. cd: The only thing it could be Lance is which part do you and Gary ignore and which part do you believe?I personally think that the whole should be researched and formed into one's doctrine. This is the core of our discussion/debates within this entire group-How much of the Bible does one believe-whole or part? Epaphrasbelieved others could do this and prayed to God for this- why not us Lance?Would he pray for the impossible. Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always laboring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God. These guys didn't believe in the whole word of God either. Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. But I am at a loss on how to convince one who will not receive the whole by using the truth of the whole that they deny-to make my point. A paradox then exists and confusion reins that God is not the author of-that then only leaves Satan's handiwork-You knowthe one who promotes sin against God's commandments that you group declares one does not have to keep.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
You really don't know do you, Dean? Thanks for your
concern, Dean. I'm confident to be found in that day in Him. When I read SOME of
that 'theologizing' done by DM, CD, JT et al, I'm confident that not one but
THAT ONE is without sin.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 19, 2006 10:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/19/2006 9:24:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
Just one (1) gospel, Dean. Mine. Seriously
Dean, you've obviously read the Scriptures with some care and, developed
from that 'reading' a pretty decent theology. It is but one (1) of a myriad
of theologies extant throughout the believing communities worldwide. Relax
Dean, I've no doubt that some of what you believe is quite true while some,
all theological reflection being provisional, is not.
cd: I will relax whenI get
to heaven till then this is part of my suffering-concern for your soul,
Lance-whichI have chosen to receive. As you know the Bible states that
we will be hated by the whole world as one of the signs of Christianity-but
we are to not to worry/rather be of good cheerbecause they hated our
master before they hated us-and we are not greater than He is. Tell me of
all the "myriad of theologies extant throughout
the believing communities worldwide" which one
do you see hated the most and that put emphasis one living the entire word
of God? Answer that and you will know the truthand the lie(S).
Remember we can support all of our belief by the complete word of
God.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 19, 2006 09:13
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/19/2006 8:39:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
I don't know you as God knows you, Dean.
However, from what I read it'd appear that your 'soul'' (have you
actually got one of those?) is in no danger. You just disagree with me
along with a multitude of other believers. No surprise there,
Dean.
cd: Then if my
soul (which we all have and is the property of Godthat has to be
returned back to him in a shape he will receive it- not throw it away
because of the deformities of sin) is in no danger and you are teaching
opposite from me do you not consider your soul be in danger?Are
there two gospels Lance?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 19, 2006
08:34
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem.
God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message -
From:
Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/19/2006 8:15:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem.
God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
I am truly at a loss myself Dean, when
I encounter those who do not agree with that which God has shown so
clearly in the whole of the Scriptures along with
history/logic/language/ every imagineable discipline. The
outcome of the foregoing is, of course, the truth.Which truth,
you ask? Well..mine, of course. So then, to disagree with me IS to
disagree with God.
cd: Then to determine
which is correct what standard does one use Lance-if not the word of
GOD Lance? Tell me and I will look into this other truth because
according to your statementstheone I am using (entire
word of God) isn't the correct truth so I am in danger and my soul
is at risk. What would you tell me to help my soul Lance?Please help
me see my error for using the complete word of
God??
- Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 19, 2006
08:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem.
God- Dave H. get ba
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 10:11:33 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. You really don't know do you, Dean? Thanks for your concern, Dean. I'm confident to be found in that day in Him. When I read SOME of that 'theologizing' done by DM, CD, JT et al, I'm confident that not one but THAT ONE is without sin. cd: Then you are living by one verse and placing you immortal soul one that line-of no concern of even keeping God commandments(moral law)-then very thing the entire world will be judged on according to the Bible-Which teaches us how to be sinless. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 10:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 9:24:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Just one (1) gospel, Dean. Mine. Seriously Dean, you've obviously read the Scriptures with some care and, developed from that 'reading' a pretty decent theology. It is but one (1) of a myriad of theologies extant throughout the believing communities worldwide. Relax Dean, I've no doubt that some of what you believe is quite true while some, all theological reflection being provisional, is not. cd: I will relax whenI get to heaven till then this is part of my suffering-concern for your soul, Lance-whichI have chosen to receive. As you know the Bible states that we will be hated by the whole world as one of the signs of Christianity-but we are to not to worry/rather be of good cheerbecause they hated our master before they hated us-and we are not greater than He is. Tell me of all the "myriad of theologies extant throughout the believing communities worldwide" which one do you see hated the most and that put emphasis one living the entire word of God? Answer that and you will know the truthand the lie(S). Remember we can support all of our belief by the complete word of God. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 09:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 8:39:59 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I don't know you as God knows you, Dean. However, from what I read it'd appear that your 'soul'' (have you actually got one of those?) is in no danger. You just disagree with me along with a multitude of other believers. No surprise there, Dean. cd: Then if my soul (which we all have and is the property of Godthat has to be returned back to him in a shape he will receive it- not throw it away because of the deformities of sin) is in no danger and you are teaching opposite from me do you not consider your soul be in danger?Are there two gospels Lance? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 08:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 8:15:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I am truly at a loss myself Dean, when I encounter those who do not agree with that which God has shown so clearly in the whole of the Scriptures along with history/logic/language/ every imagineable discipline. The outcome of the foregoing is, of course, the truth.Which truth, you ask? Well..mine, of course. So then, to disagree with me IS to disagree with God. cd: Then to determine which is correct what standard does one use Lance-if not the word of GOD Lance? Tell me and I will look into this other truth because according to your statementstheone I am using (entire word of God) isn't the correct truth so I am in danger and my soul is at risk. What would you tell me to help my soul Lance?Please help me see my error for using the complete word of God?? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 08:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/18/2006 12:14:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Gary appears to be 'reading the same bible' as I am, Dean. Hm? I guess the obvious question would then be.. cd: The only thing it could be Lance is which part do you and Gary ignore and which part do you believe?I personally think that the whole should be researched and formed into one's doctrine. This is the core of our discussion/debates within this entire group-How much of the Bible does one believe-whole or part? Epaphrasbelieved others could do this and prayed to God for this- why no
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
The remarkably brazen confidence shown by you, DM
and JT with respect to your own abilities is quite astounding, CD.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 19, 2006 10:29
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/19/2006 10:11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
You really don't know do you, Dean? Thanks for
your concern, Dean. I'm confident to be found in that day in Him. When I
read SOME of that 'theologizing' done by DM, CD, JT et al, I'm confident
that not one but THAT ONE is without sin.
cd: Then you are living by one verse and
placing you immortal soul one that line-of no concern of even keeping God
commandments(moral law)-then very thing the entire world will be judged on
according to the Bible-Which teaches us how to be sinless.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 19, 2006 10:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/19/2006 9:24:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
Just one (1) gospel, Dean. Mine. Seriously
Dean, you've obviously read the Scriptures with some care and, developed
from that 'reading' a pretty decent theology. It is but one (1) of a
myriad of theologies extant throughout the believing communities
worldwide. Relax Dean, I've no doubt that some of what you believe is
quite true while some, all theological reflection being provisional, is
not.
cd: I will relax whenI
get to heaven till then this is part of my suffering-concern for your
soul, Lance-whichI have chosen to receive. As you know the Bible
states that we will be hated by the whole world as one of the signs of
Christianity-but we are to not to worry/rather be of good
cheerbecause they hated our master before they hated us-and we are
not greater than He is. Tell me of all the "myriad of theologies extant throughout the believing
communities worldwide" which one do you see
hated the most and that put emphasis one living the entire word of God?
Answer that and you will know the truthand the lie(S). Remember we
can support all of our belief by the complete word of
God.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 19, 2006
09:13
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem.
God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message -
From:
Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/19/2006 8:39:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem.
God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
I don't know you as God knows you,
Dean. However, from what I read it'd appear that your 'soul'' (have
you actually got one of those?) is in no danger. You just disagree
with me along with a multitude of other believers. No surprise
there, Dean.
cd: Then if
my soul (which we all have and is the property of Godthat has
to be returned back to him in a shape he will receive it- not throw
it away because of the deformities of sin) is in no danger and you
are teaching opposite from me do you not consider your soul be
in danger?Are there two gospels
Lance?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 19, 2006
08:34
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem.
God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message -
From:
Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/19/2006 8:15:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
I am truly
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 10:34:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. The remarkably brazen confidence shown by you, DM and JT with respect to your own abilities is quite astounding, CD. cd: That is because we know Jesus's expectations-and we know to live by those words is to live/walk in Him who is out confidence. It is like knowing that if we try with a true heart-he will help us the rest of the way Lance therefore Satan has no claim on us because we don't fall under his rule by sinning-and if we stumble into the trap of sin-with fear- we pour out our forgiveness before God and go on in our walk:-) - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 10:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 10:11:33 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. You really don't know do you, Dean? Thanks for your concern, Dean. I'm confident to be found in that day in Him. When I read SOME of that 'theologizing' done by DM, CD, JT et al, I'm confident that not one but THAT ONE is without sin. cd: Then you are living by one verse and placing you immortal soul one that line-of no concern of even keeping God commandments(moral law)-then very thing the entire world will be judged on according to the Bible-Which teaches us how to be sinless. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 10:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 9:24:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Just one (1) gospel, Dean. Mine. Seriously Dean, you've obviously read the Scriptures with some care and, developed from that 'reading' a pretty decent theology. It is but one (1) of a myriad of theologies extant throughout the believing communities worldwide. Relax Dean, I've no doubt that some of what you believe is quite true while some, all theological reflection being provisional, is not. cd: I will relax whenI get to heaven till then this is part of my suffering-concern for your soul, Lance-whichI have chosen to receive. As you know the Bible states that we will be hated by the whole world as one of the signs of Christianity-but we are to not to worry/rather be of good cheerbecause they hated our master before they hated us-and we are not greater than He is. Tell me of all the "myriad of theologies extant throughout the believing communities worldwide" which one do you see hated the most and that put emphasis one living the entire word of God? Answer that and you will know the truthand the lie(S). Remember we can support all of our belief by the complete word of God. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 09:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 8:39:59 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I don't know you as God knows you, Dean. However, from what I read it'd appear that your 'soul'' (have you actually got one of those?) is in no danger. You just disagree with me along with a multitude of other believers. No surprise there, Dean. cd: Then if my soul (which we all have and is the property of Godthat has to be returned back to him in a shape he will receive it- not throw it away because of the deformities of sin) is in no danger and you are teaching opposite from me do you not consider your soul be in danger?Are there two gospels Lance? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 19, 2006 08:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/19/2006 8:15:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I am truly at a loss myself Dean, when I encounter those who do not agree with that which God has shown so clearly in the whole of the Scriptures along with history/logic/language/ every imagineable discipline. The outcome of the foregoing is, of course, the truth.Which truth, you ask? Well..mine, of course. So then, to disagree with me IS to disagree with God. cd: Then to determine which is correct what standard does one use Lance-if not the word of GOD Lance? Tell me and I will look into this other truth because according to your statementstheone I am using (entire word of God) isn't the correct truth so I am in danger and my soul is at risk. What would you tell me to help my soul Lance?Please help me see my error
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
'[God] has reconciled[certain Colossians] by Christ's physical body through death to present[them] holy in his sight, without blemish [from sin]and free from accusation [from outsiders],[while they're]continu[ing] in [their] faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that [they] heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.' (Colossians 1, NIV) On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:08:07 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - || cd: Which Bible are you reading Gary? ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Gary appears to be 'reading the same bible' as I am, Dean. Hm? I guess the obvious question would then be.. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 18, 2006 12:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. '[God] has reconciled[certain Colossians] by Christ's physical body through death to present[them] holy in his sight, without blemish [from sin]and free from accusation [from outsiders],[while they're]continu[ing] in [their] faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that [they] heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.' (Colossians 1, NIV) On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:08:07 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - || cd: Which Bible are you reading Gary? ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Bro, though you say
where you found the link in question,in a ttxpress post,we
know thatain't quite touchin' the question directly
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:34:43 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
interesting link,
Bro; lots to readthere
when did
you find it?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:20:09 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:36
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
Quote:
JPHOLDING:According to
several popular Skeptical sites, but so far as I can see, not any site that
deals in original writings (earlychristianwritings.com, ccel.org), St
Clement of Alexandria said, "every woman should be filled with shame by
the thought that she is a woman"."Lea, History of Sacerdotal
Celibacy (page 320)" is often cited as a source, and I will be looking at it
in the next week if needed, but in the meantime, anyone out there want to
tell me what ORIGINAL work of Clement this supposedly comes from? Some also
cite his "The Tutor" as a source, but I have found nothing like it in the
original on Peter's site.Can someone give me a citation, at
least?Or is this another Pope Leo X
fiasco?
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
I wasn't looking at the clock when I read your post, Gary, but that is when
I found it, after I read your post.
So do you consider both Dave Hansen and me your brother? You call
both of us bro.
David Miller.
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 6:12
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
Bro, though you
say where you found the link in question,in a ttxpress
post,we know thatain't quite touchin' the question
directly
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:34:43 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
interesting
link, Bro; lots to readthere
when
did you find it?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:20:09 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006
9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
Quote:
JPHOLDING:According to
several popular Skeptical sites, but so far as I can see, not any site
that deals in original writings (earlychristianwritings.com, ccel.org), St
Clement of Alexandria said, "every woman should be filled with shame
by the thought that she is a woman"."Lea, History of Sacerdotal
Celibacy (page 320)" is often cited as a source, and I will be looking at
it in the next week if needed, but in the meantime, anyone out there want
to tell me what ORIGINAL work of Clement this supposedly comes from? Some
also cite his "The Tutor" as a source, but I have found nothing like it in
the original on Peter's site.Can someone give me a citation, at
least?Or is this another Pope Leo X
fiasco?
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
neither of you is Sisters yet, i reckon:) ..beyond this, Whatis one tomake of (everyones')humanity? On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:39:02 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..So do you consider both Dave Hansen and me your brother? You call both of us bro. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
:-) -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] neither of you is Sisters yet, i reckon:) ..beyond this, Whatis one tomake of (everyones')humanity? On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:39:02 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..So do you consider both Dave Hansen and me your brother? You call both of us bro. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 10:23:34 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. myth (but, yes, you are well versed in fundamentalist policy) cd:Thank you for the fund.compliment Gary-but there is no myth -no not none. Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. So much for all those new fangled ideas huh? 2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: So much for myths huh?Or do you not believe in the Bible? On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:38:18 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We go to the sure word of God
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Dear Miller(s):
Both Satan and the religious leaders of Jesus' day
'quoted 'relevant' scripture(s)'. Take the sabbath issue as an example then,
extend it from there so as to take note of my evaluation of some quoters of
scripture some of the time.
- Original Message -
From:
Christine
Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 15, 2006 00:45
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
JD wrote:Your agenda hasdone
nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. I
have been blessed many times by Dean's posts. From what I can remember, he has
always quoted relevant scripture. The above sentence you have written
has done nothing in a positive way for this forum,
JD.Blessings[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Youpass out scripture as if you have proven your point!!
. Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to do
with any of the discussions in which they are used.
This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says
this: "It ain't up to you Dean, to
'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at
TT!"
and you quote a passage that speaks of the
innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you "authority"
to go out into the world pointing fingersof judgmentas if you
are getting something done for the Lord. In fact, I
Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do what you do.
Finally, Dean, this II Tim passage
not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a SP (and even on
this forum), it is information given "that the man of God " might be
complete. The reproof and correction mentioned in this passage
is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT
anyone in the world
Finally, you miss the point when Lance
says "My goodness, just look at TT!"
Do you miss his point? Your agenda
hasdone nothing in a positive way for this forum.
Nothing.
jd
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From:
Lance
Muir
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
It ain't up to you Dean, to
'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at
TT!
cd: That is not what the Bible
says Lance.This has been given many times you should study
it.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is
given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness:
- Original Message -
From: Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing
suit.
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing
suit.
the Judge himself actually
judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding
with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth
truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits
methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this
context:)
cd Such as-"I can understand why you committed adultery
with that women-she is beautiful". No clear rights and wrongs -no
strong stance against sin-Satan must lovethis religion as
there no fear involvedGary. Yes, one must use wisdom and
understanding if remorse is shown by the transgressor and patience
should be shown to the young-but to allow a fool to continue in his
folly is not caring about the soul of the fool or the ones the fool
will harm.
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
.. the Moderator
smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro;
e.g.:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
"..not to [separate the tw
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
cd: Hear,Hear! and Amen David. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/14/2006 9:00:52 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Dean did prove his point with this passage. The passage teaches that Scripture is profitable for these things. Your characterization that Dean has authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment is false. It only exists in your mind. The 1 Cor. 5 passage deals with how to deal with sin within the church. It does not forbid us from testifying to the world that its deeds are evil. It tells us not to judge them. In other words, I don't take up stones and stone homosexuals, I don't kill abortionists, I don't kill adulterers and murderers, etc. The 2 Tim. passage applies to Street Preaching because we preach to many believers out there, and we are causing them to be the men of God that they should be. If the church was training them right, we wouldn't have to. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. You pass out scripture as if you have proven your point!! . Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to do with any of the discussions in which they are used. This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says this: It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT!and you quote a passage that speaks of the innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment as if you are getting something done for the Lord.In fact, I Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do what you do. Finally, Dean, this II Tim passage not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a SP (and even on this forum), it is information given that the man of God might be complete. The reproof and correction mentioned in this passage is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT anyone in the world Finally, you miss the point when Lance says My goodness, just look at TT! Do you miss his point? Your agenda has done nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. jd -- Original message -- From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT! cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as he renders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) cd Such as-I can understand why you committed adultery with that women-she is beautiful. No clear rights and wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must love this religion as there no fear involved Gary. Yes, one must use wisdom and understanding if remorse is shown by the transgressor and patience should be shown to the young-but to allow a fool to continue in his folly is not caring about the soul of the fool or the ones the fool will harm. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do, Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..not to [separate the two G] would make one prone to error. Error #2 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above] you've postured yourself to (be) Judge
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 12:17:59 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. this has an NT ring to it that has nothing to do with JC and hisfollowers cd: Which Bible are you reading Gary? It has every thing to do with sin,don't be belligerent. Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:20:28 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..street preachers tell others (lost people) that a certain sin..is wrong Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
cd: Don't be one of those people who would argue with a stop sign John. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 5:53:08 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Youpass out scripture as if you have proven your point!! . Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to do with any of the discussions in which they are used. This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says this: "It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT!" and you quote a passage that speaks of the innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you "authority" to go out into the world pointing fingersof judgmentas if you are getting something done for the Lord. In fact, I Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do what you do. Finally, Dean, this II Tim passage not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a SP (and even on this forum), it is information given "that the man of God " might be complete. The reproof and correction mentioned in this passage is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT anyone in the world Finally, you miss the point when Lance says "My goodness, just look at TT!" Do you miss his point? Your agenda hasdone nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT! cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) cd Such as-"I can understand why you committed adultery with that women-she is beautiful". No clear rights and wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must lovethis religion as there no fear involvedGary. Yes, one must use wisdom and understanding if remorse is shown by the transgressor and patience should be shown to the young-but to allow a fool to continue in his folly is not caring about the soul of the fool or the ones the fool will harm. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
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Does 'your church' teach them right Dean/David? What, pray tell, is present within your discipling that one would find lacking in the other churches? ' - Original Message - From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 07:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. cd: Hear,Hear! and Amen David. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/14/2006 9:00:52 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Dean did prove his point with this passage. The passage teaches that Scripture is profitable for these things. Your characterization that Dean has authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment is false. It only exists in your mind. The 1 Cor. 5 passage deals with how to deal with sin within the church. It does not forbid us from testifying to the world that its deeds are evil. It tells us not to judge them. In other words, I don't take up stones and stone homosexuals, I don't kill abortionists, I don't kill adulterers and murderers, etc. The 2 Tim. passage applies to Street Preaching because we preach to many believers out there, and we are causing them to be the men of God that they should be. If the church was training them right, we wouldn't have to. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. You pass out scripture as if you have proven your point!! . Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to do with any of the discussions in which they are used. This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says this: It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT!and you quote a passage that speaks of the innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment as if you are getting something done for the Lord.In fact, I Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do what you do. Finally, Dean, this II Tim passage not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a SP (and even on this forum), it is information given that the man of God might be complete. The reproof and correction mentioned in this passage is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT anyone in the world Finally, you miss the point when Lance says My goodness, just look at TT! Do you miss his point? Your agenda has done nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. jd -- Original message -- From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT! cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as he renders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) cd Such as-I can understand why you committed adultery with that women-she is beautiful. No clear rights and wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must love this religion as there no fear involved Gary. Yes, one must use wisdom and understanding if remorse is shown by the transgressor and patience should be shown to the young-but to allow a fool to continue in his folly is not caring about the soul of the fool or the ones the fool will harm. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do, Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..not to [separate the two G] would make one prone to error. Error #2 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you
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[Original Message] From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/15/2006 7:22:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Does 'your church' teach them right Dean/David? What, pray tell, is present within your discipling that one would find lacking in the other churches? cd:We teach them what the Bible says-I have found that to be lacking in many churches Lance. ' - Original Message - From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 07:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. cd: Hear,Hear! and Amen David. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/14/2006 9:00:52 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Dean did prove his point with this passage. The passage teaches that Scripture is profitable for these things. Your characterization that Dean has authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment is false. It only exists in your mind. The 1 Cor. 5 passage deals with how to deal with sin within the church. It does not forbid us from testifying to the world that its deeds are evil. It tells us not to judge them. In other words, I don't take up stones and stone homosexuals, I don't kill abortionists, I don't kill adulterers and murderers, etc. The 2 Tim. passage applies to Street Preaching because we preach to many believers out there, and we are causing them to be the men of God that they should be. If the church was training them right, we wouldn't have to. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. You pass out scripture as if you have proven your point!! . Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to do with any of the discussions in which they are used. This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says this: It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT!and you quote a passage that speaks of the innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment as if you are getting something done for the Lord.In fact, I Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do what you do. Finally, Dean, this II Tim passage not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a SP (and even on this forum), it is information given that the man of God might be complete. The reproof and correction mentioned in this passage is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT anyone in the world Finally, you miss the point when Lance says My goodness, just look at TT! Do you miss his point? Your agenda has done nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. jd -- Original message -- From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT! cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as he renders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) cd Such as-I can understand why you committed adultery with that women-she is beautiful. No clear rights and wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must love this religion as there no fear involved Gary. Yes, one must use wisdom and understanding if remorse is shown by the transgressor and patience should be shown to the young-but to allow a fool to continue in his folly is not caring about the soul of the fool or the ones the fool will harm. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED
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- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 7:20:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. He (Gary), Dean, is NOT being beligerent! He is disagreeing with your meaning. These are not the same thing. DM you seem not to get this. cd: I never said he was-but I do perceive him as headed in that direction and told him not to do so.You shouldn't either Lance.I also think we are using the wrong spelling for the word. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 07:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 12:17:59 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. this has an NT ring to it that has nothing to do with JC and hisfollowers cd: Which Bible are you reading Gary? It has every thing to do with sin,don't be belligerent. Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:20:28 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..street preachers tell others (lost people) that a certain sin..is wrong Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
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I assume you to be using say/mean synonymously, Dean? Anyone can open the bible in order to see what it says, can they not? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 08:58 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. [Original Message] From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/15/2006 7:22:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Does 'your church' teach them right Dean/David? What, pray tell, is present within your discipling that one would find lacking in the other churches? cd:We teach them what the Bible says-I have found that to be lacking in many churches Lance. ' - Original Message - From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 07:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. cd: Hear,Hear! and Amen David. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/14/2006 9:00:52 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Dean did prove his point with this passage. The passage teaches that Scripture is profitable for these things. Your characterization that Dean has authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment is false. It only exists in your mind. The 1 Cor. 5 passage deals with how to deal with sin within the church. It does not forbid us from testifying to the world that its deeds are evil. It tells us not to judge them. In other words, I don't take up stones and stone homosexuals, I don't kill abortionists, I don't kill adulterers and murderers, etc. The 2 Tim. passage applies to Street Preaching because we preach to many believers out there, and we are causing them to be the men of God that they should be. If the church was training them right, we wouldn't have to. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. You pass out scripture as if you have proven your point!! . Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to do with any of the discussions in which they are used. This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says this: It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT!and you quote a passage that speaks of the innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment as if you are getting something done for the Lord.In fact, I Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do what you do. Finally, Dean, this II Tim passage not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a SP (and even on this forum), it is information given that the man of God might be complete. The reproof and correction mentioned in this passage is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT anyone in the world Finally, you miss the point when Lance says My goodness, just look at TT! Do you miss his point? Your agenda has done nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. jd -- Original message -- From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT! cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as he renders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) cd Such as-I can understand why you committed adultery with that women-she is beautiful. No clear rights and wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must love this religion as there no fear involved Gary. Yes, one must use wisdom and understanding if remorse is shown
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sp I guess that's the 'pot/kettle' thingy, Dean. I shouldn't 'what' either, Dean? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 08:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 7:20:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. He (Gary), Dean, is NOT being beligerent! He is disagreeing with your meaning. These are not the same thing. DM you seem not to get this. cd: I never said he was-but I do perceive him as headed in that direction and told him not to do so.You shouldn't either Lance.I also think we are using the wrong spelling for the word. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 07:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 12:17:59 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. this has an NT ring to it that has nothing to do with JC and hisfollowers cd: Which Bible are you reading Gary? It has every thing to do with sin,don't be belligerent. Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:20:28 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..street preachers tell others (lost people) that a certain sin..is wrong Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
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No, "anyone" is not included - only those who come with the right heart attitude. God hides things from the "wise and prudent" and reveals them to babes. judyt From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I assume you to be using say/mean synonymously, Dean? Anyone can open the bible in order to see what it says, can they not? From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/15/2006 7:22:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Does 'your church' teach them right Dean/David? What, pray tell, is present within your discipling that one would find lacking in the other churches? cd:We teach them what the Bible says-I have found that to be lacking in many churches Lance. ' - Original Message - From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 07:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. cd: Hear,Hear! and Amen David. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/14/2006 9:00:52 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Dean did prove his point with this passage. The passage teaches that Scripture is profitable for these things. Your characterization that Dean has authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment is false. It only exists in your mind. The 1 Cor. 5 passage deals with how to deal with sin within the church. It does not forbid us from testifying to the world that its deeds are evil. It tells us not to judge them. In other words, I don't take up stones and stone homosexuals, I don't kill abortionists, I don't kill adulterers and murderers, etc. The 2 Tim. passage applies to Street Preaching because we preach to many believers out there, and we are causing them to be the men of God that they should be. If the church was training them right, we wouldn't have to. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. You pass out scripture as if you have proven your point!! . Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to do with any of the discussions in which they are used. This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says this: "It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT!" and you quote a passage that speaks of the innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you "authority" to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment as if you are getting something done for the Lord. In fact, I Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do what you do. Finally, Dean, this II Tim passage not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a SP (and even on this forum), it is information given "that the man of God " might be complete. The reproof and correction mentioned in this passage is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT anyone in the world Finally, you miss the point when Lance says "My goodness, just look at TT!" Do you miss his point? Your agenda has done nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT! cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as he renders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) cd Such as-"I can understand why you committed adultery with that women-she is beautiful". No clear rights and wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must love thi
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What I meant by what I said Judy, was that anyone with a bible has access to the script/words. I was making a distinction between the words 'say' and 'mean'. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 09:11 Subject: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. No, "anyone" is not included - only those who come with the right heart attitude. God hides things from the "wise and prudent" and reveals them to babes. judyt From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I assume you to be using say/mean synonymously, Dean? Anyone can open the bible in order to see what it says, can they not? From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/15/2006 7:22:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Does 'your church' teach them right Dean/David? What, pray tell, is present within your discipling that one would find lacking in the other churches? cd:We teach them what the Bible says-I have found that to be lacking in many churches Lance. ' - Original Message - From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 07:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. cd: Hear,Hear! and Amen David. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/14/2006 9:00:52 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Dean did prove his point with this passage. The passage teaches that Scripture is profitable for these things. Your characterization that Dean has authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment is false. It only exists in your mind. The 1 Cor. 5 passage deals with how to deal with sin within the church. It does not forbid us from testifying to the world that its deeds are evil. It tells us not to judge them. In other words, I don't take up stones and stone homosexuals, I don't kill abortionists, I don't kill adulterers and murderers, etc. The 2 Tim. passage applies to Street Preaching because we preach to many believers out there, and we are causing them to be the men of God that they should be. If the church was training them right, we wouldn't have to. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. You pass out scripture as if you have proven your point!! . Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to do with any of the discussions in which they are used. This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says this: "It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT!" and you quote a passage that speaks of the innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you "authority" to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment as if you are getting something done for the Lord. In fact, I Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do what you do. Finally, Dean, this II Tim passage not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a SP (and even on this forum), it is information given "that the man of God " might be complete. The reproof and correction mentioned in this passage is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT anyone in the world Finally, you miss the point when Lance says "My goodness, just look at TT!" Do you miss his point? Your agenda has done nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT! cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org S
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Thanks for the drive-by, Christine. -- Original message -- From: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote:Your agenda hasdone nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. I have been blessed many times by Dean's posts. From what I can remember, he has always quoted relevant scripture. The above sentence you have written has done nothing in a positive way for this forum, JD.Blessings[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Youpass out scripture as if you have proven your point!! . Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to do with any of the discussions in which they are used. This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says this: "It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT!" and you quote a passage that speaks of the innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you "authority" to go out into the world pointing fingersof judgmentas if you are getting something done for the Lord. In fact, I Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do what you do. Finally, Dean, this II Tim passage not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a SP (and even on this forum), it is information given "that the man of God " might be complete. The reproof and correction mentioned in this passage is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT anyone in the world Finally, you miss the point when Lance says "My goodness, just look at TT!" Do you miss his point? Your agenda hasdone nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT! cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) cd Such as-"I can understand why you committed adultery with that women-she is beautiful". No clear rights and wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must lovethis religion as there no fear involvedGary. Yes, one must use wisdom and understanding if remorse is shown by the transgressor and patience should be shown to the young-but to allow a fool to continue in his folly is not caring about the soul of the fool or the ones the fool will harm. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page. What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Can one 'truthfully' (Christine?) conclude such an
post with 'blessings'?
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 15, 2006 09:22
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
Thanks for the drive-by, Christine.
--
Original message -- From: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD
wrote:Your agenda hasdone nothing in a
positive way for this forum. Nothing. I have been
blessed many times by Dean's posts. From what I can remember, he has always
quoted relevant scripture. The above sentence you have written has
done nothing in a positive way for this forum,
JD.Blessings[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Youpass out scripture as if you have proven your point!!
. Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to
do with any of the discussions in which they are used.
This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says
this: "It ain't up to you Dean,
to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at
TT!"
and you quote a passage that speaks of the
innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you
"authority" to go out into the world pointing fingersof
judgmentas if you are getting something done for the
Lord. In fact, I Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do
what you do.
Finally, Dean, this II Tim
passage not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a
SP (and even on this forum), it is information given "that the
man of God " might be complete. The reproof and correction
mentioned in this passage is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE
THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT anyone in the world
Finally, you miss the point when Lance
says "My goodness, just look at TT!"
Do you miss his point? Your agenda
hasdone nothing in a positive way for this forum.
Nothing.
jd
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From:
Lance Muir
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
It ain't up to you Dean, to
'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at
TT!
cd: That is not what the
Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study
it.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is
given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness:
- Original Message -
From: Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing
suit.
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get
bathing suit.
the Judge himself actually
judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders
understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as
herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark
contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:)
(in this context:)
cd Such as-"I can understand why you committed
adultery with that women-she is beautiful". No clear rights and
wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must lovethis
religion as there no fear involvedGary. Yes, one must use
wisdom and understanding if remorse is shown by the transgressor
and patience should be shown to the young-but to allow a fool to
continue in his folly is not caring about the soul of the fool or
the ones the fool will harm.
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
.. the Moderator
smugly postu
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 9:05:41 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. sp I guess that's the 'pot/kettle' thingy, Dean. I shouldn't 'what' either, Dean? cd: And how is one to know which speaks truth the pot or the kettle Lance? We go to the sure word of God-problem is you guys won't recieve that as truth either. You shouldn't purposely ignore truth and the understanding for the meaning of words.I see you as doing that.Tell me do you believe this below? Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. And This? Luk 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. It is the same speaker for both verses Lance-Jesus Christ- yet your group believes one and not the other-Can you not understand from my prespective that this is strange- your belief would say these passagesconfict with each other-why? Because your understanding is not complete-we are trying to help you complete it so that both verses make sense and you can stand on that day-and for that we are made to look wrong, judgemental, common...,etc. cd: Here is a third verse if you are able to recieve it Lance: Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? and what didJesus say Lance? Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 08:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 7:20:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. He (Gary), Dean, is NOT being beligerent! He is disagreeing with your meaning. These are not the same thing. DM you seem not to get this. cd: I never said he was-but I do perceive him as headed in that direction and told him not to do so.You shouldn't either Lance.I also think we are using the wrong spelling for the word. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 07:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 12:17:59 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. this has an NT ring to it that has nothing to do with JC and hisfollowers cd: Which Bible are you reading Gary? It has every thing to do with sin,don't be belligerent. Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:20:28 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..street preachers tell others (lost people) that a certain sin..is wrong Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
RE: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 9:11:56 AM Subject: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. No, "anyone" is not included - only those who come with the right heart attitude. God hides things from the "wise and prudent" and reveals them to babes. judyt cd: Judy is correct Lance-The Jews could also open the Torah and read it but failed to understand the simple meaning of words-so God sent them Prophets/Prophtesses to warn them -He does the same today-and sometimes if the love message isn't enoughGod send a stronger massage like to one David is preaching in Florida-that you are telling him not to give. From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I assume you to be using say/mean synonymously, Dean? Anyone can open the bible in order to see what it says, can they not? From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/15/2006 7:22:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Does 'your church' teach them right Dean/David? What, pray tell, is present within your discipling that one would find lacking in the other churches? cd:We teach them what the Bible says-I have found that to be lacking in many churches Lance. ' - Original Message - From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 07:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. cd: Hear,Hear! and Amen David. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/14/2006 9:00:52 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Dean did prove his point with this passage. The passage teaches that Scripture is profitable for these things. Your characterization that Dean has authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment is false. It only exists in your mind. The 1 Cor. 5 passage deals with how to deal with sin within the church.. It does not forbid us from testifying to the world that its deeds are evil. It tells us not to judge them. In other words, I don't take up stones and stone homosexuals, I don't kill abortionists, I don't kill adulterers and murderers, etc. The 2 Tim. passage applies to Street Preaching because we preach to many believers out there, and we are causing them to be the men of God that they should be. If the church was training them right, we wouldn't have to. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. You pass out scripture as if you have proven your point!! . Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to do with any of the discussions in which they are used. This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says this: "It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT!" and you quote a passage that speaks of the innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you "authority" to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment as if you are getting something done for the Lord. In fact, I Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do what you do. Finally, Dean, this II Tim passage not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a SP (and even on this forum), it is information given "that the man of God " might be complete. The reproof and correction mentioned in this passage is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT anyone in the world Finally, you miss the point when Lance says "My goodness, just look at & gt; TT!" Do you miss his point? Your agenda has done nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.I t ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT! cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.- Original Messag e - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.the Judge himself actually judges
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Excellent demonstrationof proof-texting (again.) Your quote of John 5:14 -- when was the indwelling spirit given taht enables us to "sin no more?" Before or after the cross? jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 12:17:59 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. this has an NT ring to it that has nothing to do with JC and hisfollowers cd: Which Bible are you reading Gary? It has every thing to do with sin,don't be belligerent. Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:20:28 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..street preachers tell others (lost people) that a certain sin..is wrong Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Ppl didn't have to sin "before the cross" either JD. Otherwise Jesus would not have told the woman caught in adultery to "go and sin no more lest a worse thing come upon you" We are ignorant of these things because we cling to mens doctrines that do not equate sin with destruction and death so ppl like you give those in need the false assurance that they can continue on and God still loves them while they are being destroyed. On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:57:48 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excellent demonstrationof proof-texting (again.) Your quote of John 5:14 -- when was the indwelling spirit given taht enables us to "sin no more?" Before or after the cross? jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 12:17:59 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. this has an NT ring to it that has nothing to do with JC and hisfollowers cd: Which Bible are you reading Gary? It has every thing to do with sin,don't be belligerent. Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:20:28 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..street preachers tell others (lost people) that a certain sin..is wrong Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
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Of course, Lance. My reason for making the post in the first place was to bless others, and not just Dean. I wanted to point out that JD was not saying something constructive there. Perhaps you are right, that I did not bless as much as I could have, because I did not include the scipture I had in mind:James 3:17-18 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.Hope this encourages... Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can one 'truthfully' (Christine?) conclude such an post with 'blessings'? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 09:22Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.Thanks for the drive-by, Christine. -- Original message -- From: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote:Your agenda hasdone nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. I have been blessed many times by Dean's posts. From what I can remember, he has always quoted relevant scripture. The above sentence you have written has done nothing in a positive way for this forum, JD.Blessings[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Youpass out scripture as if you have proven your point!! . Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to do with any of the discussions in which they are used. This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says this: "It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT!" and you quote a passage that speaks of the innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you "authority" to go out into the world pointing fingersof judgmentas if you are getting something done for the Lord. In fact, I Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do what you do. Finally, Dean, this II Tim passage not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a SP (and even on this forum), it is information given "that the man of God " might be complete. The reproof and correction mentioned in this passage is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT anyone in the world Finally, you miss the point when Lance says "My goodness, just look at TT!"Do you miss his point? Your agenda hasdone nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing.jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT!cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it.2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:)
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DAVEH: Nice to see your sense of humor has not escaped you, Dean! :-D Dean Moore wrote: cd: Don't be one of those people who would argue with a stop sign John. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 10:37:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. DAVEH: Nice to see your sense of humor has not escaped you, Dean! :-D Dean Moore wrote: cd: Don't be one of those people who would argue with a stop sign John. cd: I try but some days it is hard Dave:-) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Californians do not argue with stop signs. We just ignore them !!! jd -- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: Nice to see your sense of humor has not escaped you, Dean! :-D Dean Moore wrote: cd: Don't be one of those people who would argue with a stop sign John. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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myth (but, yes, you are well versed in fundamentalist policy) On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:38:18 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We go to the sure word of God
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- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 9:41:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the grammarof the verse, below,is structured carefullyby a non-judgmental authorthrough the power of the HS--it follows the pattern of true prophecy cd: Are you suggesting that I throw people into hell G. I am only a man warning others of the helll to come promoting Jesus Christ unto salvation from sins-God does the judging of the soul.This is sounding familar. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:35:10 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 11:36:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. what do you think this verse means? || Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briars is rejected..is nigh unto cursing [..his] end is to be burned [by Somebody not me]
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- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 9:41:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. intrinsically, below,you've postured yourself to(be) Judge cd: Then by your own standards you are judging Miller for being a judge-What are you missing Gary? 1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
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How and, in what way is this 'sounding
familiar'?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 14, 2006 06:43
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/13/2006 9:41:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
the
grammarof the verse, below,is structured carefullyby a
non-judgmental authorthrough the power of the HS--it follows the
pattern of true prophecy
cd: Are you suggesting that I throw people into hell G. I am only a man
warning others of the helll to come promoting Jesus Christ unto salvation
from sins-God does the judging of the soul.This is sounding familar.
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:35:10 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/12/2006 11:36:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
what do you think this verse
means?
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Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briars
is
rejected..is nigh unto cursing [..his] end is to be burned
[by Somebody
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- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) cd Such as-"I can understand why you committed adultery with that women-she is beautiful". No clear rights and wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must lovethis religion as there no fear involvedGary. Yes, one must use wisdom and understanding if remorse is shown by the transgressor and patience should be shown to the young-but to allow a fool to continue in his folly is not caring about the soul of the fool or the ones the fool will harm. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
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Gary, are you implying that the Holy Spirit only speaks in this pattern? What is your judgment about Stephen in Acts 7? The Scriptures say that he was full of the Holy Ghost when he said the following: Acts 7:51-54 (51) Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. (52) Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: (53) Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. (54) When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. Do you agree that these words are structured by the Holy Spirit? I'm sure you know that there are many other passages from the prophets of the Hebrew Scriptures that seem to stray from what you perceive to be the true pattern of prophecy. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the grammar of the verse, below, is structured carefully by a non-judgmental author through the power of the HS--it follows the pattern of true prophecy On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:35:10 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 11:36:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. what do you think this verse means? || Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briars is rejected..is nigh unto cursing [..his] end is to be burned [by Somebody not me] -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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If you are provoked by my questions about your posts, the responsibility is not in my methods as much as it is in your lack of humility to explain. I have only asked for explanation, not accused you of anything. Now you have me wondering if there was a more sinister explanation than I had imagined. As for the Judge himself engendering understanding, I agree, but this does not mean that he speaks in a mousy way to everybody, trying to make sure nobody would ever be offended. For example: Matthew 23:31-34 (31) Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. (32) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. (33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (34) Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: David describes Jesus in that TRUE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY in the following way: Psalms 2:9 (9) Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. So there are many sides to our Judge Jesus and we should not presume to portray him as a weak, effeminate sissy Jesus who never says a hard word to anybody. Amen? David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as he renders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do, Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..not to [separate the two G] would make one prone to error. Error #2 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above] you've postured yourself to (be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not 'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator, you also Judge ppl in your finitude within v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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JD wrote: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint] , the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. Impostor is the only remaining conclusion. I hope you are not offended by my direct speech here, but this entire paragraph is false doctrine. The idea that judgment that drives people away is an Imposter and not of God is clearly unbiblical. Such an idea comes from a last days delusion that cannot endure sound doctrine but instead seeks to give pleasure to itching ears. The role of judgment is to separate the wicked from the righteous. It is polarizing. This is why Jesus said: Matthew 10:34-36 (34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. In these latter days, the spirit of Elijah comes, and it is most manifested in the two witnesses of Rev. 11. Revelation 11:5-7 (5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. (6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. (7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Clearly these two witnesses are not Imposters. Their judgment is of God, but it is not a redeeming judgment of grace that calls everyone to join a particular Jesus club. The truth is that the days are rapidly approaching when grace will be taken from the earth. The days are coming when men will cry out to God for salvation, but God will not answer them nor deliver them. David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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'Last days'?? What do you mean, David? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 11:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. JD wrote: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint] , the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. Impostor is the only remaining conclusion. I hope you are not offended by my direct speech here, but this entire paragraph is false doctrine. The idea that judgment that drives people away is an Imposter and not of God is clearly unbiblical. Such an idea comes from a last days delusion that cannot endure sound doctrine but instead seeks to give pleasure to itching ears. The role of judgment is to separate the wicked from the righteous. It is polarizing. This is why Jesus said: Matthew 10:34-36 (34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. In these latter days, the spirit of Elijah comes, and it is most manifested in the two witnesses of Rev. 11. Revelation 11:5-7 (5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. (6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. (7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Clearly these two witnesses are not Imposters. Their judgment is of God, but it is not a redeeming judgment of grace that calls everyone to join a particular Jesus club. The truth is that the days are rapidly approaching when grace will be taken from the earth. The days are coming when men will cry out to God for salvation, but God will not answer them nor deliver them. David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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'Mousey'? Synonyms please. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 11:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. If you are provoked by my questions about your posts, the responsibility is not in my methods as much as it is in your lack of humility to explain. I have only asked for explanation, not accused you of anything. Now you have me wondering if there was a more sinister explanation than I had imagined. As for the Judge himself engendering understanding, I agree, but this does not mean that he speaks in a mousy way to everybody, trying to make sure nobody would ever be offended. For example: Matthew 23:31-34 (31) Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. (32) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. (33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (34) Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: David describes Jesus in that TRUE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY in the following way: Psalms 2:9 (9) Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. So there are many sides to our Judge Jesus and we should not presume to portray him as a weak, effeminate sissy Jesus who never says a hard word to anybody. Amen? David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as he renders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do, Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..not to [separate the two G] would make one prone to error. Error #2 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above] you've postured yourself to (be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not 'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator, you also Judge ppl in your finitude within v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Your theology confuses the old with the new and has as its primise the fantasy that you must be about the same type of judgment as that of Christ. Nothing could be more false. It flies in the face of Romans 14:4 and denies that God in Christ and He alone is my judge and Master in matters of faith and practice. The only "judgment" we are given to exercise is a moral judgment of those within the body. And the judgment of those outside the body is the work of God, himself -- to the exclusion of the SP (I Cor. 5:11-13.) As a result - my previous comments remain true and very much in line with the message of love and concern and my preaching is truly that of "good news." jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint] , the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion. I hope you are not offended by my direct speech here, but this entire paragraph is false doctrine. The idea that judgment that drives people away is an Imposter and not of God is clearly unbiblical. Such an idea comes from a last days delusion that cannot endure sound doctrine but instead seeks to give pleasure to itching ears. The role of judgment is to separate the wicked from the righteous. It is polarizing. This is why Jesus said: Matthew 10:34-36 (34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. In these latter days, the spirit of Elijah comes, and it is most manifested in the two witnesses of Rev. 11. Revelation 11:5-7 (5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. (6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the ea rth with all plagues, as often as they will. (7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Clearly these two witnesses are not Imposters. Their judgment is of God, but it is not a redeeming judgment of grace that calls everyone to join a particular Jesus club. The truth is that the days are rapidly approaching when grace will be taken from the earth. The days are coming when men will cry out to God for salvation, but God will not answer them nor deliver them. David Miller -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be u nsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
My comment has to do with what we do as "judges." Your scripture has to do with what God does as judge. I would have thought you would have noted the difference with my comment. Obviously not. I have given you the scriptures that have to do with my point of view (I Cor 5:11-13 and Romans 14:4). I would cite other scriptures such as those that speak of love for the brethren, but you guys do not have the same understanding of loveas others onthis forum. Harshness and judgmentalism of tone drives more away from Christ and causes more harm in that regard than all the fussin' you guys do with your signsand the perfect signage message!!! You judge the world when told not to and you judge your brethren when told not to. Any comments regarding the error of my message seem rather humorous coming from those who disregard so much for the sakeofmacho evangelism. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint] , the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion. I hope you are not offended by my direct speech here, but this entire paragraph is false doctrine. The idea that judgment that drives people away is an Imposter and not of God is clearly unbiblical. Such an idea comes from a last days delusion that cannot endure sound doctrine but instead seeks to give pleasure to itching ears. The role of judgment is to separate the wicked from the righteous. It is polarizing. This is why Jesus said: Matthew 10:34-36 (34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. In these latter days, the spirit of Elijah comes, and it is most manifested in the two witnesses of Rev. 11. Revelation 11:5-7 (5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. (6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the ea rth with all plagues, as often as they will. (7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Clearly these two witnesses are not Imposters. Their judgment is of God, but it is not a redeeming judgment of grace that calls everyone to join a particular Jesus club. The truth is that the days are rapidly approaching when grace will be taken from the earth. The days are coming when men will cry out to God for salvation, but God will not answer them nor deliver them. David Miller -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be u nsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT! cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) cd Such as-"I can understand why you committed adultery with that women-she is beautiful". No clear rights and wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must lovethis religion as there no fear involvedGary. Yes, one must use wisdom and understanding if remorse is shown by the transgressor and patience should be shown to the young-but to allow a fool to continue in his folly is not caring about the soul of the fool or the ones the fool will harm. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
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When you talk about what we do as judges, do you mean in the resurrection when we judge angels or now? I don't understand what you are trying to say or why this would make any difference. The passages for your point of view are not as direct as the ones that I shared. The 1 Cor. 5 passage has to do with the church judging someone in sin within the church. It speaks of driving a person out of relationship with the church, so it argues against your paragraph which said, drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. Your other passage in Romans does not concern sin, but rather judging others in their personal convictions. It supports what you are trying to say, but not in the context in which you apply it (street preaching). Also, it speaks of those IN the church, not those OUTSIDE the church. It says nothing about whether or not we should testify to the world that fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, murderers, thieves, liars, the covetous, cowards and sissies will not inherit the kingdom of God. The passages I shared were not just about what God does as judge. The two witnesses are men, not God. I can bring up many other similar passages. Furthermore, what Jesus does in the form of judging while on earth is our example of how we ought to judge. There are ways in which Jesus did not judge, and there are ways in which he did judge. Those he sent out did the same work as he did, polarizing people such that some were moved away from God while others were moved closer to God. The criterium of people moving away from God is a sign that God is at work. Don't be blind about this. As for the notion that I judge the world, that is utterly foolish. I do not judge anyone. I testify that their deeds are evil and that every person will be judged one day. I testify that Christ has come and now calls all men to repentance. I preach the forgiveness of sins and the resurrection of the dead. I call men and women to repent and enter the kingdom of God. I continue the work of Jesus Christ, and I don't judge others any more than Jesus judged others when he ministered here in the flesh. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. My comment has to do with what we do as judges. Your scripture has to do with what God does as judge. I would have thought you would have noted the difference with my comment. Obviously not. I have given you the scriptures that have to do with my point of view (I Cor 5:11-13 and Romans 14:4). I would cite other scriptures such as those that speak of love for the brethren, but you guys do not have the same understanding of love as others on this forum. Harshness and judgmentalism of tone drives more away from Christ and causes more harm in that regard than all the fussin' you guys do with your signs and the perfect signage message!!!You judge the world when told not to and you judge your brethren when told not to. Any comments regarding the error of my message seem rather humorous coming from those who disregard so much for the sake of macho evangelism. jd -- Original message -- From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint] , the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. Impostor is the only remaining conclusion. I hope you are not offended by my direct speech here, but this entire paragraph is false doctrine. The idea that judgment that drives people away is an Imposter and not of God is clearly unbiblical. Such an idea comes from a last days delusion that cannot endure sound doctrine but instead seeks to give pleasure to itching ears. The role of judgment is to separate the wicked from the righteous. It is polarizing. This is why Jesus said: Matthew 10:34-36 (34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. In these latter days, the spirit of Elijah comes, and it is most manifested in the two witnesses of Rev. 11. Revelation 11:5-7 (5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. (6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the ea rth with all plagues
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Dean did prove his point with this passage. The passage teaches that Scripture is profitable for these things. Your characterization that Dean has authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment is false. It only exists in your mind. The 1 Cor. 5 passage deals with how to deal with sin within the church. It does not forbid us from testifying to the world that its deeds are evil. It tells us not to judge them. In other words, I don't take up stones and stone homosexuals, I don't kill abortionists, I don't kill adulterers and murderers, etc. The 2 Tim. passage applies to Street Preaching because we preach to many believers out there, and we are causing them to be the men of God that they should be. If the church was training them right, we wouldn't have to. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. You pass out scripture as if you have proven your point!! . Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to do with any of the discussions in which they are used. This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says this: It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT!and you quote a passage that speaks of the innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment as if you are getting something done for the Lord.In fact, I Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do what you do. Finally, Dean, this II Tim passage not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a SP (and even on this forum), it is information given that the man of God might be complete. The reproof and correction mentioned in this passage is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT anyone in the world Finally, you miss the point when Lance says My goodness, just look at TT! Do you miss his point? Your agenda has done nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. jd -- Original message -- From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT! cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as he renders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) cd Such as-I can understand why you committed adultery with that women-she is beautiful. No clear rights and wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must love this religion as there no fear involved Gary. Yes, one must use wisdom and understanding if remorse is shown by the transgressor and patience should be shown to the young-but to allow a fool to continue in his folly is not caring about the soul of the fool or the ones the fool will harm. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do, Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..not to [separate the two G] would make one prone to error. Error #2 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above] you've postured yourself to (be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not 'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
1. I believe that I Cor 5: 9-13 is plain enough for you. The problem lies in your predilection to [perhaps] a number of intersecting and personal teachings. Such teachings cannot be grafted into this passage and so you have problems. Such happens to all of us, of course. Your situation is far from unique. The "judgment" referred to here in this passage involves a number of factors - some of which are unsettling to your way of thinking. Paul's evangelical premise is profound --" I become all things to all men so that by all means I might save some" and ties into his view of "effective" evangelism. The exclusion of the offending BROTHER has nothing to do with the evangelistic strategies of Paul to a "lost and dying" world. Paul knows and believes in the difference between moral and immoral. He is uncompromising on that issue. But he does not get the cart before the horse.[It seems to me that ] You and your SPing pals ask questions that are not being asked and give answers that are not well received all because those who "listen" are nowhere near the question "what must we do?" Evangelism is an easy thing when The Question is assumed --- easy and ineffective. It is another matter, entirel y, to deal with a wicked world full of hurting people.Stephen preached to those "within" and wereabout to kill him. Not your typical typical. Paul , in Athens dealt with those without Judgment was not a part of his message to the "unsaved" ( I Cor 5:12 "for what have I to do wtih judging those also who are outside." The answer is implied, is it not? 2. I believe the two witnesses are the Word of God and the Testimony of Jesus in Revelations. 3. Jesus is not our example when it comes to judging the world. He alone is the judge. He will judge all of mankind, including us on That Day. In this day and time, we are to conduct ourselves as not to bring shame to the Message. I expect you to confuse the issue here, but I will wait for that event. 4. If you do not judge anyone, what is the problem? I am critical of those who do judge those in the world, driving them out the back door. --- David writes: When you talk about what we do as judges, do you mean in the resurrection when we judge angels or now? I don't understand what you are trying to say or why this would make any difference.The passages for your point of view are not as direct as the ones that I shared. The 1 Cor. 5 passage has to do with the church judging someone in sin within the church. It speaks of driving a person out of relationship with the church, so it argues against your paragraph which said, "drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God." Your other passage in Romans does not concern sin, but rather judging others in their personal convictions. It supports what you are trying to say, but not in the context in which you apply it (street preaching). Also, it speaks of those IN the church, not those OUTSIDE the church. It says nothing about whether or not we should testify to the world that fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, murderers, thieves , liars, the covetous, cowards and sissies will not inherit the kingdom of God.The passages I shared were not just about what God does as judge. The two witnesses are men, not God. I can bring up many other similar passages. Furthermore, what Jesus does in the form of judging while on earth is our example of how we ought to judge. There are ways in which Jesus did not judge, and there are ways in which he did judge. Those he sent out did the same work as he did, polarizing people such that some were moved away from God while others were moved closer to God. The criterium of people moving away from God is a sign that God is at work. Don't be blind about this.As for the notion that I judge the world, that is utterly foolish. I do not judge anyone. I testify that their deeds are evil and that every person will be judged one day. I testify that Christ has come and now calls all men to repentance. I preach the forgiven ess of sins and the resurrection of the dead. I call men and women to repent and enter the kingdom of God. I continue the work of Jesus Christ, and I don't judge others any more than Jesus judged others when he ministered here in the flesh.David Miller- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tuesday, Februa ry 14, 2006 5:16 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.My comment has to do with what we do as "judges." Your scripture has to do with what God does as judge. I would have thought you would have noted the difference with my comment. Obviously not. I have given you the scriptures that have to do with my point of view (I Cor 5:11-13 and Romans 14:4). I would cite other scriptures such as those that speak of love for the brethren, but you guys do not have the same understanding of love as others on this forum.
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this has an NT ring to it that has nothing to do with JC and hisfollowers On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:20:28 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..street preachers tell others (lost people) that a certain sin..is wrong
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
ONLY when they consistently walk in the light as He is
in the light ..
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:32:34 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[*in JCsjudgement, hisbrethren bothalready do
have] will have happiness beyond
understanding
-- On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13
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From:
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
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Who
isrequired to attend your Judgment? [*]
cd: ..expand on this Gary so that
I can clearly understand you
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writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called
christians
did.
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And?
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From:
David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
LOL. I found the link to it in YOUR post. LOL. I just
wondered why you didn't share the rest of the thread which answered the
questions raised in the part you copied and pasted. :-) Maybe you
copied the link from another site without actually going to it?
David M.
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:34
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
interesting
link, Bro; lots to readthere
when did you
find it?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:20:09 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
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Quote:
JPHOLDING:According to
several popular Skeptical sites, but so far as I can see, not any site
that deals in original writings (earlychristianwritings.com, ccel.org), St
Clement of Alexandria said, "every woman should be filled with shame
by the thought that she is a woman"."Lea, History of Sacerdotal
Celibacy (page 320)" is often cited as a source, and I will be looking at
it in the next week if needed, but in the meantime, anyone out there want
to tell me what ORIGINAL work of Clement this supposedly comes from? Some
also cite his "The Tutor" as a source, but I have found nothing like it in
the original on Peter's site.Can someone give me a citation, at
least?Or is this another Pope Leo X
fiasco?
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
What, Judy, do you mean by 'consistently'? (Sorry
Dean but I fear Judy's full meaning may not be covered by 'Webster'
or...)
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 13, 2006 04:56
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
ONLY when they consistently walk in the light as He
is in the light ..
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:32:34 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[*in JCsjudgement, hisbrethren bothalready do
have] will have happiness beyond
understanding
-- On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13
-0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/12/2006 3:09:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
Who
isrequired to attend your Judgment? [*]
cd: ..expand on this Gary so
that I can clearly understand you
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
- Original Message -
||
cd: To define the differences between
the lost and the brethren is not splitting hairs
G
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called
christians
did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
David: Am I to assume that YOU would be incapable, excellent researcher that you are, of making a legitimate case FOR the maltreatment of AT LEAST those three groups I mentioned by believers? Am I to assume that, over the course of the last 20 centuries, believers have not, regularly and, over a protracted period of time, treated other believers in an ungodly/unbiblical manner? Should you actually say to the former 'yes Lance, I'm incapable of doing so' and, as to the latter 'no Lance, I as a believer never have, no member of my immediate family ever has and, no group of believers I know of ever has' then I shall do what I can to demonstrate otherwise. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Lance, the problem is that the 'woman bashing' that you read into it is from a false stereotype that has been programmed into your mind from this present world system. This mindset is actually a delusion, a deconstruction of something real into something that is not real. It is the spirit of Anti-Christ. This is the same problem I have preaching on campus about homosexuality, or having a sign that says, help prevent homosexuality. With such a message of hope to help the homosexual, I am immediately typecast into being a hatemonger and homophobe. Why? Because the bigotry and false stereotype that has been programmed into the minds of others, that anybody who believes that homosexuality is immoral or preventable is filled with hate. Did you even read the context of Tertullian's message here? Please look it up. If you need me to do the homework for you and paste the text here or provide a link, let me know. Please consider his context and his audience. He was speaking to REBELLIOUS women, whose heart it was to alter the Creator's work upon them, by dying their hair yellow, and wearing black eyeliner, and foundation makeup, and braiding the hair, and wearing jewelry and ornaments, fine clothes of purple, etc. This is a GENDER issue. Men generally speaking are not prone to spending an inordinate amount of time trying to make themselves attractive in this way. Why do the women do it and not the men? There are several explanations. Tertullian was giving his perspective, based in Scripture, a passage from the book of Genesis which all seem to accept as Scripture, and text from the book of Enoch, which Tertullian accepted as Scripture but realized that not everybody did. In the context in which he spoke this, I have no problem with him speaking a reproof to women in this way, reminding them of Eve's sin and how their deception about this wearing of makeup is similar. He gave a historical backdrop, and his reason for all of this was not to suppress women, but to elevate them. He was contrasting the condemned and cursed condition and linking the wearing of makeup to this with the gospel believing liberated woman, who is promised the same dignity of men in the resurrection, a seat from which to judge the very angels that taught the women to wear makeup and do other things besides. Even if you think his reasoning has problems, you should not misrepresent him as being somebody who was mistreating women or as someone engaged in 'woman bashing.' The only way this idea has any way of flying is if it is lifted out of context and misrepresented as you and Debbie have done by sharing these quotes in the way that you did. I think you do this out of ignorance, but the problem is that you are probably even ignorant of the fact that you do it in ignorance. That is the problem with delusion. You don't know that you are actually believing a lie. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. IFO could read more than a little 'woman bashing' herein, David/Dean. I don't believe that either of the two of you would as, IMO, you both adopt a more traditionalist understanding of the role of men/women..husbands/wives. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 08:05 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Thank you David for this. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/11/2006 9:37:40 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Lance wrote: And do you not know that you are an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil's gateway: you are the unsealer of that tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 12:06:09 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. .. hisbrethren ain't required to be present at your Judgementasyou arbitrarily splitthemintocategories which suit your privatelygeneratedbias/es cd: So whats the big deal about inspection the fruit of all men? Why would it be important to even know if the Peracher/Teacher is a believer or pretender before you put him in office? Why would Satan appear as a angel of light? Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? at 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:32:34 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [*in JCsjudgement, hisbrethren bothalready do have] will have happiness beyond understanding -- On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 3:09:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Who isrequired to attend your Judgment? [*] cd: ..expand on this Gary so that I can clearly understand you On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - || cd: To define the differences between the lost and the brethren is not splitting hairs G On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called christians did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
So then, Dean, are you beginning to adopt a style
of writing/communicating that favors the oblique? Did you not recently rail
against Benny Hinn? Assuming that he were doing so, is G not entitled to adopt a
stance other than your's or DM's? (I then answer my own question) Of course he
is AND, he may be more godly in his understanding of the matter than either of
you, might he not? (I answer my own question once again) Yes, he
might.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 13, 2006 07:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/13/2006 12:06:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
..
hisbrethren ain't
required to be present at your Judgementasyou arbitrarily
splitthemintocategories which suit your
privatelygeneratedbias/es
cd: So whats the big
deal about inspection the fruit of all men? Why would it be important to
even know if the Peracher/Teacher is a believer or pretender before you put
him in office? Why would Satan appear as a angel of
light?
Mat 7:16 Ye
shall know them
by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
at 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Rev 3:9 Behold, I
will make them
of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews,
and are not,
but do lie;
behold, I will
make them to
come and worship before thy feet,
and to know
that I have
loved thee.
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:32:34 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[*in JCsjudgement, hisbrethren bothalready do
have] will have happiness beyond
understanding
-- On Sun, 12 Feb 2006
06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/12/2006 3:09:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem.
God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Who
isrequired to attend your Judgment? [*]
cd: ..expand on this Gary so
that I can clearly understand you
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
- Original Message -
||
cd: To define the differences
between the lost and the brethren is not splitting hairs
G
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called
christians
did.
[TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Lance, the problem it appears is with your definition of "believer" As to the assumption below - I for one would say YES. Believers have certain fruit in their lives and it is not the kind you describe here. From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]David: Am I to assume that YOU would be incapable, excellent researcher that you are, of making a legitimate case FOR the maltreatment of AT LEAST those three groups I mentioned by believers? Am I to assume that, over the course of the last 20 centuries, believers have not, regularly and, over a protracted period of time, treated other believers in an ungodly/unbiblical manner? Should you actually say to the former 'yes Lance, I'm incapable of doing so' and, as to the latter 'no Lance, I as a believer never have, no member of my immediate family ever has and, no group of believers I know of ever has' then I shall do what I can to demonstrate otherwise. From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: February 12, 2006 15:17Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Lance, the problem is that the 'woman bashing' that you read into it is from a false stereotype that has been programmed into your mind from this present world system. This mindset is actually a delusion, a deconstruction of something real into something that is not real. It is the spirit of Anti-Christ. This is the same problem I have preaching on campus about homosexuality, or having a sign that says, "help prevent homosexuality." With such a message of hope to help the homosexual, I am immediately typecast into being a hatemonger and homophobe. Why? Because the bigotry and false stereotype that has been programmed into the minds of others, that anybody who believes that homosexuality is immoral or preventable is filled with hate. Did you even read the context of Tertullian's message here? Please look it up. If you need me to do the homework for you and paste the text here or provide a link, let me know. Please consider his context and his audience. He was speaking to REBELLIOUS women, whose heart it was to alter the Creator's work upon them, by dying their hair yellow, and wearing black eyeliner, and foundation makeup, and braiding the hair, and wearing jewelry and ornaments, fine clothes of purple, etc. This is a GENDER issue. Men generally speaking are not prone to spending an inordinate amount of time trying to make themselves attractive in this way. Why do the women do it and not the men? There are several explanations. Tertullian was giving his perspective, based in Scripture, a passage from the book of Genesis which all seem to accept as Scripture, and text from the book of Enoch, which Tertullian accepted as Scripture but realized that not everybody did. In the context in which he spoke this, I have no problem with him speaking a reproof to women in this way, reminding them of Eve's sin and how their deception about this wearing of makeup is similar. He gave a historical backdrop, and his reason for all of this was not to suppress women, but to elevate them. He was contrasting the condemned and cursed condition and linking the wearing of makeup to this with the gospel believing liberated woman, who is promised the same dignity of men in the resurrection, a seat from which to judge the very angels that taught the women to wear makeup and do other things besides. Even if you think his reasoning has problems, you should not misrepresent him as being somebody who was mistreating women or as someone engaged in 'woman bashing.' The only way this idea has any way of flying is if it is lifted out of context and misrepresented as you and Debbie have done by sharing these quotes in the way that you did. I think you do this out of ignorance, but the problem is that you are probably even ignorant of the fact that you do it in ignorance. That is the problem with delusion. You don't know that you are actually believing a lie. David Miller. - Original Message - From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. IFO could read more than a little 'woman bashing' herein, David/Dean. I don't believe that either of the two of you would as, IMO, you both adopt a more traditionalist understanding of the role of men/women..husbands/wives. - Original Message - From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 08:05 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Thank you David for this. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/11/2006 9:37:40 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Lance wrote: And do you not know that you are an Eve? The sentenc
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Judy:I mean by 'believers' (and, hereafter shall always mean) those born from above, those participating by the Spirit in the Son's communion with the Father. As to the second part of that which you said, I'm unclear as to your meaning. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 13, 2006 08:10 Subject: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Lance, the problem it appears is with your definition of "believer" As to the assumption below - I for one would say YES. Believers have certain fruit in their lives and it is not the kind you describe here. From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]David: Am I to assume that YOU would be incapable, excellent researcher that you are, of making a legitimate case FOR the maltreatment of AT LEAST those three groups I mentioned by believers? Am I to assume that, over the course of the last 20 centuries, believers have not, regularly and, over a protracted period of time, treated other believers in an ungodly/unbiblical manner? Should you actually say to the former 'yes Lance, I'm incapable of doing so' and, as to the latter 'no Lance, I as a believer never have, no member of my immediate family ever has and, no group of believers I know of ever has' then I shall do what I can to demonstrate otherwise. From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: February 12, 2006 15:17Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Lance, the problem is that the 'woman bashing' that you read into it is from a false stereotype that has been programmed into your mind from this present world system. This mindset is actually a delusion, a deconstruction of something real into something that is not real. It is the spirit of Anti-Christ. This is the same problem I have preaching on campus about homosexuality, or having a sign that says, "help prevent homosexuality." With such a message of hope to help the homosexual, I am immediately typecast into being a hatemonger and homophobe. Why? Because the bigotry and false stereotype that has been programmed into the minds of others, that anybody who believes that homosexuality is immoral or preventable is filled with hate. Did you even read the context of Tertullian's message here? Please look it up. If you need me to do the homework for you and paste the text here or provide a link, let me know. Please consider his context and his audience. He was speaking to REBELLIOUS women, whose heart it was to alter the Creator's work upon them, by dying their hair yellow, and wearing black eyeliner, and foundation makeup, and braiding the hair, and wearing jewelry and ornaments, fine clothes of purple, etc. This is a GENDER issue. Men generally speaking are not prone to spending an inordinate amount of time trying to make themselves attractive in this way. Why do the women do it and not the men? There are several explanations. Tertullian was giving his perspective, based in Scripture, a passage from the book of Genesis which all seem to accept as Scripture, and text from the book of Enoch, which Tertullian accepted as Scripture but realized that not everybody did. In the context in which he spoke this, I have no problem with him speaking a reproof to women in this way, reminding them of Eve's sin and how their deception about this wearing of makeup is similar. He gave a historical backdrop, and his reason for all of this was not to suppress women, but to elevate them. He was contrasting the condemned and cursed condition and linking the wearing of makeup to this with the gospel believing liberated woman, who is promised the same dignity of men in the resurrection, a seat from which to judge the very angels that taught the women to wear makeup and do other things besides. Even if you think his reasoning has problems, you should not misrepresent him as being somebody who was mistreating women or as someone engaged in 'woman bashing.' The only way this idea has any way of flying is if it is lifted out of context and misrepresented as you and Debbie have done by sharing these quotes in the way that you did. I think you do this out of ignorance, but the problem is that you are probably even ignorant of the fact that you do it in ignorance. That is the problem with delusion. You don't know that you are actually believing a lie. David Miller. - Original Message - From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. IFO could read more than a little 'woman bashing' herein, David/Dean. I don't believe that either of th
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
And?
I stated that the quote from Clement that you posted as evidence of
Christians having the wrong attitude toward Christians appeared to be
bogus. What apparently you did was ask Debbie to help, and she apparently
went to the Atheists / Skeptics sites and obtained some 'evidence' for your
point. Then when I pointed out that her first referenceappeared to
be bogus, Gary posted a quote from someone suggesting a possible source that
needed to be checked out. He included a link to where this post was
made. When going to that link, there were other posts that clarified that
the supposed reference also was bogus, and someone had a possible explanation of
the sloppy research that might have resulted in the bogus quote.
What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not
post the other information on that page. Such was more informative, and
answered questions raised by what he did post. Then when I posted the
information myself, he asked me where I got that information. I'm laughing
out loud by this time. I got the information from Gary's post. And
now you ask, And? You guys are a riot.
David Miller.
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:13
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
And?
- Original Message -
From:
David
Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
LOL. I found the link to it in YOUR post. LOL. I just
wondered why you didn't share the rest of the thread which answered the
questions raised in the part you copied and pasted. :-) Maybe
you copied the link from another site without actually going to it?
David M.
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006
11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
interesting
link, Bro; lots to readthere
when did you
find it?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:20:09 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006
9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
Quote:
JPHOLDING:According to
several popular Skeptical sites, but so far as I can see, not any site
that deals in original writings (earlychristianwritings.com, ccel.org),
St Clement of Alexandria said, "every woman should be filled with
shame by the thought that she is a woman"."Lea, History of
Sacerdotal Celibacy (page 320)" is often cited as a source, and I will
be looking at it in the next week if needed, but in the meantime, anyone
out there want to tell me what ORIGINAL work of Clement this supposedly
comes from? Some also cite his "The Tutor" as a source, but I have found
nothing like it in the original on Peter's site.Can someone give
me a citation, at least?Or is this another Pope Leo X
fiasco?
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Kudos to you for once again identifying the
'syntactical' error by Lance, Debbie, Gary (et al if applicable). THE OPPOSITE
OF KUDOS TO YOU for once again failing to address the 'semantical' issue at
hand! Please demonstrate that you know what that (the issue) is and grant us the
benefit of your wisdom on the matter.
thanks David,
Lance
- Original Message -
From:
David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 13, 2006 10:12
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
And?
I stated that the quote from Clement that you posted as evidence of
Christians having the wrong attitude toward Christians appeared to be
bogus. What apparently you did was ask Debbie to help, and she
apparently went to the Atheists / Skeptics sites and obtained some 'evidence'
for your point. Then when I pointed out that her first
referenceappeared to be bogus, Gary posted a quote from someone
suggesting a possible source that needed to be checked out. He included
a link to where this post was made. When going to that link, there were
other posts that clarified that the supposed reference also was bogus, and
someone had a possible explanation of the sloppy research that might have
resulted in the bogus quote.
What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did
not post the other information on that page. Such was more informative,
and answered questions raised by what he did post. Then when I posted
the information myself, he asked me where I got that information. I'm
laughing out loud by this time. I got the information from Gary's
post. And now you ask, And? You guys are a riot.
David Miller.
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:13
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
And?
- Original Message -
From:
David
Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
LOL. I found the link to it in YOUR post. LOL. I
just wondered why you didn't share the rest of the thread which answered
the questions raised in the part you copied and pasted. :-)
Maybe you copied the link from another site without actually going to
it?
David M.
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006
11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
interesting
link, Bro; lots to readthere
when did
you find it?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:20:09 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006
9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem.
God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Quote:
JPHOLDING:According
to several popular Skeptical sites, but so far as I can see, not any
site that deals in original writings (earlychristianwritings.com,
ccel.org), St Clement of Alexandria said, "every woman should be
filled with shame by the thought that she is a woman"."Lea,
History of Sacerdotal Celibacy (page 320)" is often cited as a source,
and I will be looking at it in the next week if needed, but in the
meantime, anyone out there want to tell me what ORIGINAL work of
Clement this supposedly comes from? Some also cite his "The Tutor" as
a source, but I have found nothing like it in the original on Peter's
site.Can someone give me a citation, at least?Or is
this another Pope Leo X fiasco?
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Lance wrote: Am I to assume that YOU would be incapable, ... of making a legitimate case FOR the maltreatment of AT LEAST those three groups I mentioned by believers? Yes, you should assume that. I could not in good conscience make a legitimate case that society in general grossly mistreated these three groups. I could point out problems and certain incidents, but when considering the whole story and all the facts, society was more pluralistic than what some modern revisionists portray them to be. Lance wrote: Am I to assume that, over the course of the last 20 centuries, believers have not, regularly and, over a protracted period of time, treated other believers in an ungodly/unbiblical manner? There is a semantic problem in answering this question. I use the word believer differently from the word Christian. Some Christians did mistreat other Christians, such as the inquisition, etc. I do not consider this to be believer against believer. Believers walk in love, and so believers would not mistreat other believers. I believe that such mistreatment reveals that they really were not believers, but only appeared to be such. They were the proverbial wolves in sheep's clothing. Sometimes a believer does make a mistake, but because he is commited to Jesus Christ and has God's Spirit operating in him, upon correction he repents. Those who do not repent, but keep up a regular and protracted abuse toward others, they do not serve the same Lord that I do. Lance wrote: Should you actually say to the former 'yes Lance, I'm incapable of doing so' and, as to the latter 'no Lance, I as a believer never have, no member of my immediate family ever has and, no group of believers I know of ever has' then I shall do what I can to demonstrate otherwise. I look forward to seeing what you will present as evidence. David Miller. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Lance, the problem is that the 'woman bashing' that you read into it is from a false stereotype that has been programmed into your mind from this present world system. This mindset is actually a delusion, a deconstruction of something real into something that is not real. It is the spirit of Anti-Christ. This is the same problem I have preaching on campus about homosexuality, or having a sign that says, help prevent homosexuality. With such a message of hope to help the homosexual, I am immediately typecast into being a hatemonger and homophobe. Why? Because the bigotry and false stereotype that has been programmed into the minds of others, that anybody who believes that homosexuality is immoral or preventable is filled with hate. Did you even read the context of Tertullian's message here? Please look it up. If you need me to do the homework for you and paste the text here or provide a link, let me know. Please consider his context and his audience. He was speaking to REBELLIOUS women, whose heart it was to alter the Creator's work upon them, by dying their hair yellow, and wearing black eyeliner, and foundation makeup, and braiding the hair, and wearing jewelry and ornaments, fine clothes of purple, etc. This is a GENDER issue. Men generally speaking are not prone to spending an inordinate amount of time trying to make themselves attractive in this way. Why do the women do it and not the men? There are several explanations. Tertullian was giving his perspective, based in Scripture, a passage from the book of Genesis which all seem to accept as Scripture, and text from the book of Enoch, which Tertullian accepted as Scripture but realized that not everybody did. In the context in which he spoke this, I have no problem with him speaking a reproof to women in this way, reminding them of Eve's sin and how their deception about this wearing of makeup is similar. He gave a historical backdrop, and his reason for all of this was not to suppress women, but to elevate them. He was contrasting the condemned and cursed condition and linking the wearing of makeup to this with the gospel believing liberated woman, who is promised the same dignity of men in the resurrection, a seat from which to judge the very angels that taught the women to wear makeup and do other things besides. Even if you think his reasoning has problems, you should not misrepresent him as being somebody who was mistreating women or as someone engaged in 'woman bashing.' The only way this idea has any way of flying is if it is lifted out of context and misrepresented as you and Debbie have done by sharing these quotes in the way that you did. I think you do this out of ignorance, but the problem is that you are probably even ignorant of the fact that you do it in ignorance. That is the problem with delusion. You don't know that you
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
her comment
presupposes that the Moderator ain't the true Judge--wannabes like locusts,
man;even all over each other to rule the world,
eh?
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:33:18 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What, Judy, do you mean by 'consistently'? (Sorry
Dean but I fear Judy's full meaning may not be covered by 'Webster'
or...)
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 13, 2006 04:56
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
ONLY when they consistently walk in the light as He
is in the light ..
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:32:34 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[*in JCsjudgement, hisbrethren bothalready do
have] will have happiness beyond
understanding
-- On Sun, 12 Feb 2006
06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/12/2006 3:09:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem.
God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Who
isrequired to attend your Judgment? [*]
cd: ..expand on this Gary so
that I can clearly understand you
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
- Original Message -
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cd: To define the differences
between the lost and the brethren is not splitting hairs
G
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called
christians
did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:17:48 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why[does] Satan appear as a angel of light [partic to fruit inspectors]
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Gary, please consider that if I was judging ppl here, I would not have said, "I ... still don'tunderstand." I have withheld judgment because I don't have all the facts and you certainly have not volunteered much in the way of clarifying. Are you pleading the Fifth? David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 11:36:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. [*in JCsjudgement, hisbrethren bothalready do have] will have happiness beyond understanding cd: True Gary but what do you think this verse means? Is it not warning those who are partakers of the happiness that comes from the Holy Ghost-To know Christ and return to sin (in the strict of leaving God and returning to the world) is to bring a harsher punishment then the lost will endure.If I don't understand it-does that mean I should just ignore it? It is in the Bible? Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit. Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briars is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. -- On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 3:09:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Who isrequired to attend your Judgment? [*] cd: ..expand on this Gary so that I can clearly understand you On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - || cd: To define the differences between the lost and the brethren is not splitting hairs G On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called christians did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 5:33:24 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. What, Judy, do you mean by 'consistently'? (Sorry Dean but I fear Judy's full meaning may not be covered by 'Webster' or...) cd: :-) - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 13, 2006 04:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. ONLY when they consistently walk in the light as He is in the light .. On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:32:34 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [*in JCsjudgement, hisbrethren bothalready do have] will have happiness beyond understanding -- On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 3:09:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Who isrequired to attend your Judgment? [*] cd: ..expand on this Gary so that I can clearly understand you On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - || cd: To define the differences between the lost and the brethren is not splitting hairs G On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called christians did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 7:35:51 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. So then, Dean, are you beginning to adopt a style of writing/communicating that favors the oblique? Did you not recently rail against Benny Hinn? Assuming that he were doing so, is G not entitled to adopt a stance other than your's or DM's? (I then answer my own question) Of course he is AND, he may be more godly in his understanding of the matter than either of you, might he not? (I answer my own question once again) Yes, he might. cd: Seems clear to me Lance.If he is more Godly then us that would be a good thing and I can rejoice for him-but how can we know if he is?In your style I will answer my own question. He would be in agreement with the harmony of the Bible and I don't believe he is. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 13, 2006 07:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 12:06:09 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. .. hisbrethren ain't required to be present at your Judgementasyou arbitrarily splitthemintocategories which suit your privatelygeneratedbias/es cd: So whats the big deal about inspection the fruit of all men? Why would it be important to even know if the Peracher/Teacher is a believer or pretender before you put him in office? Why would Satan appear as a angel of light? Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? at 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:32:34 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [*in JCsjudgement, hisbrethren bothalready do have] will have happiness beyond understanding -- On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 3:09:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Who isrequired to attend your Judgment? [*] cd: ..expand on this Gary so that I can clearly understand you On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - || cd: To define the differences between the lost and the brethren is not splitting hairs G On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called christians did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:35:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:17:48 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why[does] Satan appear as a angel of light [partic to fruit inspectors] cd: HuH?Say what?
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
cd: Gary be a little nicer and I will answer you questions-until then:-( - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 12:29:43 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. ...e.g.,ifin your Judgementa few brethrenget lost somehow, you wouldn't beassuming that they're required to be here for that, would you? On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:02:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. hisbrethren ain't required to be present at your Judgementasyou arbitrarily splitthemintocategories which suit your privatelygeneratedbias/es On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:32:34 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [*in JCsjudgement, hisbrethren bothalready do have] will have happiness beyond understanding -- On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 3:09:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Who isrequired to attend your Judgment? [*] cd: ..expand on this Gary so that I can clearly understand you On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - || cd: To define the differences between the lost and the brethren is not splitting hairs G On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called christians did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
the grammarof
the verse, below,is structured carefullyby a non-judgmental
authorthrough the power of the HS--it follows the pattern of true
prophecy
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:35:10 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/12/2006 11:36:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
what do you think this verse
means?
||
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briars
is
rejected..is nigh unto cursing [..his] end is to be burned [by Somebody not
me]
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
intrinsically, below,you've
postured yourself to(be) Judge
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David
Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have withheld judgment
||
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
then, like the Moderator,you
also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with
perfection, of course)
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500
"David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What I did not understand, and still
don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that
page.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
'inspections'
rankamong prerequisites for Satan to 'appear' (lookin'
like jt's God to you)
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:46:24 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/13/2006 10:35:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:17:48 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Why[does] Satan appear as a angel of light [partic
to fruit inspectors]
cd: HuH?Say
what?
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message -
From:
David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
you copied and pasted...from another site
without actually going to it
^^^
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be)
Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to
think--which in truth is not'witholding
judgement']
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David
Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have withheld judgment
||
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
then, like the Moderator,you
also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits
(with perfection, of course)
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500
"David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What I did not understand, and
still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information
on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
.. the Moderator smugly postures
himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
"..not to [separate the two G]would make
one prone to error.
Error
#2"
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- Original Message -
From:
David
Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
you copied and pasted...from another
site without actually going to it
^^^
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be)
Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to
think--which in truth is not'witholding
judgement']
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500
"David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have withheld judgment
||
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006
10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
then, like the
Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v
narrow human limits (with perfection, of course)
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500
"David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What I did not understand, and
still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information
on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:22:14 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
'inspections'
rankamong prerequisites for Satan to 'appear' (lookin'
like jt's God to you[?])
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:46:24 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/13/2006 10:35:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:17:48 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Why[does] Satan appear as a angel of light
[partic to fruit inspectors]
cd: HuH?Say
what?
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
the Judge himself actually judges ppl
with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and
righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know
him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:)
(in this context:)
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
.. the Moderator smugly postures
himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
"..not to [separate the two G]would make
one prone to error.
Error
#2"
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- Original Message -
From:
David
Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
you copied and pasted...from another
site without actually going to it
^^^
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself
to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you
want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding
judgement']
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500
"David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have withheld judgment
||
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006
10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem.
God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
then, like the
Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v
narrow human limits (with perfection, of course)
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57
-0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What I did not understand, and
still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other
information on that
page.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint], the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion. jd -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/11/2006 9:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. themoderator splittin' hairs in public--by whatauthority? cd: Every leader must have two faces- one indiscussing Godand one in his role as disciplinaryaction (but not be two faced in how he lives =reference to modern definition of being two faced=hypocritical). One face will be used in this debate by me to discuss and help others- another face will be put on by me for the role of moderator. Try and separate the two G.- as not to would make one prone to error. Error #2:To define the differences between the lost and the brethren is not splitting hairs G.-One group will be dragged of to a pit; kicking and screaming ,and the other will have happiness beyond understanding.I would say that there is a huge difference between the two groups not "splitting hairs" as you claim.The point I amattempting to make here is that the Devil has portrayed himself as the church (ie. Angel of light) and cause much harm to women thruout history, and many people are still confusing that spirit as the church today-which has led to resentment to the churchwhich the devil is not using to lead women into rebellion against the true church to their destruction. In short Satan has harmed women in the name of God in the past and is still doing so to day. Knowing thatGary-should one help by jumping on the rebellion train with women or should one take the time to teach women the truth of Satan's plan,or should one do nothing and sit this war out with the false belie f that one has already obtained salvation while women suffer alone? Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? -- On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called christians did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Ahh but there's never a linguist around when you need one. I reference actual, honest-to-goodness, real, live, living in the Spirit BELIEVERS/CHRISTIANS. Yes! They did. Yes! They do! Yes! One or more may be a TT participant. Can such do such? Unequivocally yes! Does this contradict 1 Jn along with other passages? Resoundingly no! So Lance, what do you actually believe concerning the past/present treatment of women/blacks/1st nations ppls? Oh, just read the above. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 11, 2006 21:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. themoderator splittin' hairs in public--by whatauthority? On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called christians did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 7:16:09 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Ahh but there's never a linguist around when you need one. I reference actual, honest-to-goodness, real, live, living in the Spirit BELIEVERS/CHRISTIANS. Yes! They did. Yes! They do! Yes! One or more may be a TT participant. Can such do such? Unequivocally yes! Does this contradict 1 Jn along with other passages? Resoundingly no! So Lance, what do you actually believe concerning the past/present treatment of women/blacks/1st nations ppls? Oh, just read the above. cd: Lance/Gary-I think that we need toconsider what we are defining as "mistreatment of women"? I am not necessary speaking of placing then in a lower role in the Church-I am speaking of the broader sense of cruelty towards women-that is an off sprig for placing then in that lower order, or the results of the bias one has towards women.There will be Christians who dwell in ignorance of the women role with God-which if one is seeking understanding with his whole heart that ignorance shouldn't be there long at all-but to purposely degrade womenor physically harm them is another matter entirely. No Christian will continue in such acts-and to do so is to be the same as a lost man who serves Satan. I was a member of a small Baptist churchat the headwaters of Caney Fork,N.C.- and the church held the view that women should be silent in church-yet there was this one women who had such a love of God and the brethren that she had to speak out-and she was told to be silent many times.One night in the prayer from she was silence again to which God told me tosay; "No, she shouldn't be silent" I want to hear what she has to say" the Pastor then agreed with me and the men were silenced and she spoke of Jesus Christ and proved to have much more knowledge of the Bible then the Deacons had. I believe those Deacons and the Pastor to be strong believers-yet they had been taught ignorance.This is why I believe it to be important that Christian speaks out and encourage others to do the same.And Lance- if you discourageChristian from speaking out in public-what are you doing that is different than those Deacons?Your stance seems to be one in which you believe women should speak out-I don't understand? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 11, 2006 21:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. themoderator splittin' hairs in public--by whatauthority? On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called christians did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Thank you David for this. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/11/2006 9:37:40 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Lance wrote: And do you not know that you are an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devils gateway: you are the unsealer of that tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily Gods image, man. On account of your desert that is, death even the Son of God had to die. ~ Tertullian, Second Century The context of this is from a paragraph about modesty in apparel becoming to women. The quote stops short in that some sentences later, he concludes this train of thought by saying: Accordingly these things are all the baggage of woman in her condemned and dead state, instituted as if to swell the pomp of her funeral. So he was not denigrating women here. He was establishing some historical guidelines, expounding upon the judgment of God toward the woman which said, In pains and in anxieties dost thou bear (children), woman; and toward thine husband (is) thy inclination, and he lords It over thee. Tertullian quoted this passage just before the quote given by Debbie above. Tertullian then goes on, based upon the writings of Enoch (which he holds to be Scripture but recognizes that the Jews did not because they did not think such writings could survive the flood, but Tertullian believed Noah, Enoch's great grandson, to have taken it with him in the ark), to argue that women who wear mascara and jewelry and fine ornaments were taught this by the angels that had sinned and come down and married women. He points out that these same angels are the angels that we will judge, and if we will judge them, what is it that women have to do with these things they brought to us, being consumed with putting on makeup on their face, or coloring their hair, or wearing fine jewelry. He points out that these are things of the earth and nothing that women of God ought to be concerned with. Then he points out that the promise of judging these angels also is given to women; therefore, they ought not be involved with these things that were dishonoring to the Creator. Tertullian writes: For you too, (women as you are,) have the selfsame angelic nature promised as your reward, the selfsame sex as men: the selfsame advancement to the dignity of judging, does (the Lord) promise you. Such a statement is along the lines of there being no male or female in the eyes of God. It is an empowering statement, that women will be made judges of angels on an equal level with men, so the quote taken out of context to make Tertullian look like a woman basher is erroneous. Debbie would be wise to hear the end of his conversation. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
IFO could read more than a little 'woman bashing' herein, David/Dean. I don't believe that either of the two of you would as, IMO, you both adopt a more traditionalist understanding of the role of men/women..husbands/wives. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 08:05 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Thank you David for this. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/11/2006 9:37:40 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Lance wrote: And do you not know that you are an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil's gateway: you are the unsealer of that tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God's image, man. On account of your desert - that is, death - even the Son of God had to die. ~ Tertullian, Second Century The context of this is from a paragraph about modesty in apparel becoming to women. The quote stops short in that some sentences later, he concludes this train of thought by saying: Accordingly these things are all the baggage of woman in her condemned and dead state, instituted as if to swell the pomp of her funeral. So he was not denigrating women here. He was establishing some historical guidelines, expounding upon the judgment of God toward the woman which said, In pains and in anxieties dost thou bear (children), woman; and toward thine husband (is) thy inclination, and he lords It over thee. Tertullian quoted this passage just before the quote given by Debbie above. Tertullian then goes on, based upon the writings of Enoch (which he holds to be Scripture but recognizes that the Jews did not because they did not think such writings could survive the flood, but Tertullian believed Noah, Enoch's great grandson, to have taken it with him in the ark), to argue that women who wear mascara and jewelry and fine ornaments were taught this by the angels that had sinned and come down and married women. He points out that these same angels are the angels that we will judge, and if we will judge them, what is it that women have to do with these things they brought to us, being consumed with putting on makeup on their face, or coloring their hair, or wearing fine jewelry. He points out that these are things of the earth and nothing that women of God ought to be concerned with. Then he points out that the promise of judging these angels also is given to women; therefore, they ought not be involved with these things that were dishonoring to the Creator. Tertullian writes: For you too, (women as you are,) have the selfsame angelic nature promised as your reward, the selfsame sex as men: the selfsame advancement to the dignity of judging, does (the Lord) promise you. Such a statement is along the lines of there being no male or female in the eyes of God. It is an empowering statement, that women will be made judges of angels on an equal level with men, so the quote taken out of context to make Tertullian look like a woman basher is erroneous. Debbie would be wise to hear the end of his conversation. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
[Original Message] From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/12/2006 8:22:01 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. IFO could read more than a little 'woman bashing' herein, David/Dean. I don't believe that either of the two of you would as, IMO, you both adopt a more traditionalist understanding of the role of men/women..husbands/wives. cd: Respectfully Lance-Our goal is to conform to the biblical roles that God placed on men and women as not to cause confusion-but to keep the separation between spoken of by God in a high level of importance.One example I can give of this is for a man not to dress as a women and for the man not to dress as a women as this leads to confusion? Don't homosexuals do this? What difference do you see between the sexes in their respect biblical roles?Or should this separation be placed on a low level of importance? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 08:05 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Thank you David for this. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/11/2006 9:37:40 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Lance wrote: And do you not know that you are an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil's gateway: you are the unsealer of that tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God's image, man. On account of your desert - that is, death - even the Son of God had to die. ~ Tertullian, Second Century The context of this is from a paragraph about modesty in apparel becoming to women. The quote stops short in that some sentences later, he concludes this train of thought by saying: Accordingly these things are all the baggage of woman in her condemned and dead state, instituted as if to swell the pomp of her funeral. So he was not denigrating women here. He was establishing some historical guidelines, expounding upon the judgment of God toward the woman which said, In pains and in anxieties dost thou bear (children), woman; and toward thine husband (is) thy inclination, and he lords It over thee. Tertullian quoted this passage just before the quote given by Debbie above. Tertullian then goes on, based upon the writings of Enoch (which he holds to be Scripture but recognizes that the Jews did not because they did not think such writings could survive the flood, but Tertullian believed Noah, Enoch's great grandson, to have taken it with him in the ark), to argue that women who wear mascara and jewelry and fine ornaments were taught this by the angels that had sinned and come down and married women. He points out that these same angels are the angels that we will judge, and if we will judge them, what is it that women have to do with these things they brought to us, being consumed with putting on makeup on their face, or coloring their hair, or wearing fine jewelry. He points out that these are things of the earth and nothing that women of God ought to be concerned with. Then he points out that the promise of judging these angels also is given to women; therefore, they ought not be involved with these things that were dishonoring to the Creator. Tertullian writes: For you too, (women as you are,) have the selfsame angelic nature promised as your reward, the selfsame sex as men: the selfsame advancement to the dignity of judging, does (the Lord) promise you. Such a statement is along the lines of there being no male or female in the eyes of God. It is an empowering statement, that women will be made judges of angels on an equal level with men, so the quote taken out of context to make Tertullian look like a woman basher is erroneous. Debbie would be wise to hear the end of his conversation. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
I'd be fully in support of 'speaking out', Dean. It matters, of course, what one has to say when 'speaking out'. The line of thinking vis a vis women, blacks and first nation's peoples had to do with an ungodly and therefore, unbiblical treatment of each. Your illustration was excellent. Have you seen 'Amistad'? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 08:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 7:16:09 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Ahh but there's never a linguist around when you need one. I reference actual, honest-to-goodness, real, live, living in the Spirit BELIEVERS/CHRISTIANS. Yes! They did. Yes! They do! Yes! One or more may be a TT participant. Can such do such? Unequivocally yes! Does this contradict 1 Jn along with other passages? Resoundingly no! So Lance, what do you actually believe concerning the past/present treatment of women/blacks/1st nations ppls? Oh, just read the above. cd: Lance/Gary-I think that we need toconsider what we are defining as "mistreatment of women"? I am not necessary speaking of placing then in a lower role in the Church-I am speaking of the broader sense of cruelty towards women-that is an off sprig for placing then in that lower order, or the results of the bias one has towards women.There will be Christians who dwell in ignorance of the women role with God-which if one is seeking understanding with his whole heart that ignorance shouldn't be there long at all-but to purposely degrade womenor physically harm them is another matter entirely. No Christian will continue in such acts-and to do so is to be the same as a lost man who serves Satan. I was a member of a small Baptist churchat the headwaters of Caney Fork,N.C.- and the church held the view that women should be silent in church-yet there was this one women who had such a love of God and the brethren that she had to speak out-and she was told to be silent many times.One night in the prayer from she was silence again to which God told me tosay; "No, she shouldn't be silent" I want to hear what she has to say" the Pastor then agreed with me and the men were silenced and she spoke of Jesus Christ and proved to have much more knowledge of the Bible then the Deacons had. I believe those Deacons and the Pastor to be strong believers-yet they had been taught ignorance.This is why I believe it to be important that Christian speaks out and encourage others to do the same.And Lance- if you discourageChristian from speaking out in public-what are you doing that is different than those Deacons?Your stance seems to be one in which you believe women should speak out-I don't understand? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 11, 2006 21:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. themoderator splittin' hairs in public--by whatauthority? On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called christians did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
'Women dressing as men' ? What do you mean? Difference? I'd think it obvious. I give it a low level of importance. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 08:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. [Original Message] From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/12/2006 8:22:01 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. IFO could read more than a little 'woman bashing' herein, David/Dean. I don't believe that either of the two of you would as, IMO, you both adopt a more traditionalist understanding of the role of men/women..husbands/wives. cd: Respectfully Lance-Our goal is to conform to the biblical roles that God placed on men and women as not to cause confusion-but to keep the separation between spoken of by God in a high level of importance.One example I can give of this is for a man not to dress as a women and for the man not to dress as a women as this leads to confusion? Don't homosexuals do this? What difference do you see between the sexes in their respect biblical roles?Or should this separation be placed on a low level of importance? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 08:05 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Thank you David for this. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/11/2006 9:37:40 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Lance wrote: And do you not know that you are an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil's gateway: you are the unsealer of that tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God's image, man. On account of your desert - that is, death - even the Son of God had to die. ~ Tertullian, Second Century The context of this is from a paragraph about modesty in apparel becoming to women. The quote stops short in that some sentences later, he concludes this train of thought by saying: Accordingly these things are all the baggage of woman in her condemned and dead state, instituted as if to swell the pomp of her funeral. So he was not denigrating women here. He was establishing some historical guidelines, expounding upon the judgment of God toward the woman which said, In pains and in anxieties dost thou bear (children), woman; and toward thine husband (is) thy inclination, and he lords It over thee. Tertullian quoted this passage just before the quote given by Debbie above. Tertullian then goes on, based upon the writings of Enoch (which he holds to be Scripture but recognizes that the Jews did not because they did not think such writings could survive the flood, but Tertullian believed Noah, Enoch's great grandson, to have taken it with him in the ark), to argue that women who wear mascara and jewelry and fine ornaments were taught this by the angels that had sinned and come down and married women. He points out that these same angels are the angels that we will judge, and if we will judge them, what is it that women have to do with these things they brought to us, being consumed with putting on makeup on their face, or coloring their hair, or wearing fine jewelry. He points out that these are things of the earth and nothing that women of God ought to be concerned with. Then he points out that the promise of judging these angels also is given to women; therefore, they ought not be involved with these things that were dishonoring to the Creator. Tertullian writes: For you too, (women as you are,) have the selfsame angelic nature promised as your reward, the selfsame sex as men: the selfsame advancement to the dignity of judging, does (the Lord) promise you. Such a statement is along the lines of there being no male or female in the eyes of God. It is an empowering statement, that women will be made judges of angels on an equal level with men, so the quote taken out of context to make Tertullian look like a woman basher is erroneous. Debbie would be wise to hear the end of his conversation. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 8:53:12 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I'd be fully in support of 'speaking out', Dean. It matters, of course, what one has to say when 'speaking out'. The line of thinking vis a vis women, blacks and first nation's peoples had to do with an ungodly and therefore, unbiblical treatment of each. Your illustration was excellent. Have you seen 'Amistad'? cd:Thanks Lance.KnowI haven't seen Amistadand I will look for it but I did see "Crash" and the movie had a good moral point to make (needs work on the language/suggestive scenes)involving minorities and the mistreatment of others.I have also noticed that on campuses the inter-racial couplesare on the increase which shows a break down of segregation and racism-which is a good thing-andI am often asked about this and I encourage it -within the godly understanding that only the marriage bed is undefiled. I noticed you said "unbiblical treatment" in your response and that is the point I want to make. We can back up every thing we say in the Bible while on these campuses and the students often make us do so in front of large crowds and many of them with bibles seeking to prove us wrong.That is thedoctrine one should hold for truth-the words written in the bible not ideas taught by others. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 08:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 7:16:09 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Ahh but there's never a linguist around when you need one. I reference actual, honest-to-goodness, real, live, living in the Spirit BELIEVERS/CHRISTIANS. Yes! They did. Yes! They do! Yes! One or more may be a TT participant. Can such do such? Unequivocally yes! Does this contradict 1 Jn along with other passages? Resoundingly no! So Lance, what do you actually believe concerning the past/present treatment of women/blacks/1st nations ppls? Oh, just read the above. cd: Lance/Gary-I think that we need toconsider what we are defining as "mistreatment of women"? I am not necessary speaking of placing then in a lower role in the Church-I am speaking of the broader sense of cruelty towards women-that is an off sprig for placing then in that lower order, or the results of the bias one has towards women.There will be Christians who dwell in ignorance of the women role with God-which if one is seeking understanding with his whole heart that ignorance shouldn't be there long at all-but to purposely degrade womenor physically harm them is another matter entirely. No Christian will continue in such acts-and to do so is to be the same as a lost man who serves Satan. I was a member of a small Baptist churchat the headwaters of Caney Fork,N.C.- and the church held the view that women should be silent in church-yet there was this one women who had such a love of God and the brethren that she had to speak out-and she was told to be silent many times.One night in the prayer from she was silence again to which God told me tosay; "No, she shouldn't be silent" I want to hear what she has to say" the Pastor then agreed with me and the men were silenced and she spoke of Jesus Christ and proved to have much more knowledge of the Bible then the Deacons had. I believe those Deacons and the Pastor to be strong believers-yet they had been taught ignorance.This is why I believe it to be important that Christian speaks out and encourage others to do the same.And Lance- if you discourageChristian from speaking out in public-what are you doing that is different than those Deacons?Your stance seems to be one in which you believe women should speak out-I don't understand? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 11, 2006 21:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. themoderator splittin' hairs in public--by whatauthority? On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called christians did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
LOL. I found the link to it in YOUR post. LOL. I just
wondered why you didn't share the rest of the thread which answered the
questions raised in the part you copied and pasted. :-) Maybe you
copied the link from another site without actually going to it?
David M.
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interesting link,
Bro; lots to readthere
when did you find
it?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:20:09 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
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several popular Skeptical sites, but so far as I can see, not any site that
deals in original writings (earlychristianwritings.com, ccel.org), St
Clement of Alexandria said, "every woman should be filled with shame by
the thought that she is a woman"."Lea, History of Sacerdotal
Celibacy (page 320)" is often cited as a source, and I will be looking at it
in the next week if needed, but in the meantime, anyone out there want to
tell me what ORIGINAL work of Clement this supposedly comes from? Some also
cite his "The Tutor" as a source, but I have found nothing like it in the
original on Peter's site.Can someone give me a citation, at
least?Or is this another Pope Leo X
fiasco?
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Who
isrequired to attend your Judgment?
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/11/2006 9:54:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
themoderator splittin' hairs in public--by
whatauthority?
To define the differences between the lost and
the brethren is not splitting hairs G
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called christians
did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Lance, the problem is that the 'woman bashing' that you read into it is from a false stereotype that has been programmed into your mind from this present world system. This mindset is actually a delusion, a deconstruction of something real into something that is not real. It is the spirit of Anti-Christ. This is the same problem I have preaching on campus about homosexuality, or having a sign that says, help prevent homosexuality. With such a message of hope to help the homosexual, I am immediately typecast into being a hatemonger and homophobe. Why? Because the bigotry and false stereotype that has been programmed into the minds of others, that anybody who believes that homosexuality is immoral or preventable is filled with hate. Did you even read the context of Tertullian's message here? Please look it up. If you need me to do the homework for you and paste the text here or provide a link, let me know. Please consider his context and his audience. He was speaking to REBELLIOUS women, whose heart it was to alter the Creator's work upon them, by dying their hair yellow, and wearing black eyeliner, and foundation makeup, and braiding the hair, and wearing jewelry and ornaments, fine clothes of purple, etc. This is a GENDER issue. Men generally speaking are not prone to spending an inordinate amount of time trying to make themselves attractive in this way. Why do the women do it and not the men? There are several explanations. Tertullian was giving his perspective, based in Scripture, a passage from the book of Genesis which all seem to accept as Scripture, and text from the book of Enoch, which Tertullian accepted as Scripture but realized that not everybody did. In the context in which he spoke this, I have no problem with him speaking a reproof to women in this way, reminding them of Eve's sin and how their deception about this wearing of makeup is similar. He gave a historical backdrop, and his reason for all of this was not to suppress women, but to elevate them. He was contrasting the condemned and cursed condition and linking the wearing of makeup to this with the gospel believing liberated woman, who is promised the same dignity of men in the resurrection, a seat from which to judge the very angels that taught the women to wear makeup and do other things besides. Even if you think his reasoning has problems, you should not misrepresent him as being somebody who was mistreating women or as someone engaged in 'woman bashing.' The only way this idea has any way of flying is if it is lifted out of context and misrepresented as you and Debbie have done by sharing these quotes in the way that you did. I think you do this out of ignorance, but the problem is that you are probably even ignorant of the fact that you do it in ignorance. That is the problem with delusion. You don't know that you are actually believing a lie. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. IFO could read more than a little 'woman bashing' herein, David/Dean. I don't believe that either of the two of you would as, IMO, you both adopt a more traditionalist understanding of the role of men/women..husbands/wives. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 08:05 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Thank you David for this. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/11/2006 9:37:40 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Lance wrote: And do you not know that you are an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil's gateway: you are the unsealer of that tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God's image, man. On account of your desert - that is, death - even the Son of God had to die. ~ Tertullian, Second Century The context of this is from a paragraph about modesty in apparel becoming to women. The quote stops short in that some sentences later, he concludes this train of thought by saying: Accordingly these things are all the baggage of woman in her condemned and dead state, instituted as if to swell the pomp of her funeral. So he was not denigrating women here. He was establishing some historical guidelines, expounding upon the judgment of God toward the woman which said, In pains and in anxieties dost thou bear (children), woman; and toward thine husband (is) thy inclination, and he lords It over thee. Tertullian quoted this passage just before the quote given by Debbie above. Tertullian
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
yep,there it
is; you've beenchecking it out, too,eh?
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:02:37 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..I found the link to it in YOUR post.
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- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:34
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave
H. get bathing suit.
interesting
link, Bro; lots to readthere
when did you
find it?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:20:09 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006
9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God-
Dave H. get bathing suit.
Quote:
JPHOLDING:According to
several popular Skeptical sites, but so far as I can see, not any site
that deals in original writings (earlychristianwritings.com, ccel.org), St
Clement of Alexandria said, "every woman should be filled with shame
by the thought that she is a woman"."Lea, History of Sacerdotal
Celibacy (page 320)" is often cited as a source, and I will be looking at
it in the next week if needed, but in the meantime, anyone out there want
to tell me what ORIGINAL work of Clement this supposedly comes from? Some
also cite his "The Tutor" as a source, but I have found nothing like it in
the original on Peter's site.Can someone give me a citation, at
least?Or is this another Pope Leo X
fiasco?
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=25342
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Lance wrote: The line of thinking vis a vis women, blacks and first nation's peoples had to do with an ungodly and therefore, unbiblical treatment of each. One problem, however, is that there is a lot of lying and propaganda going on about these issues. Please try and consider what you actually have knowledge of first hand concerning these mistreatments. What do you truly know about them through your own first hand experience? The very wording you use, first nation's peoples, tells me that you have bought into deception. There was no first nation's peoples. The original inhabitants here were tribal and uncivilized, worse than the barbaric Muslim people in the Middle East who are rioting and killing one another over cartoons, some of them which are fakes meant to cause them to riot. Mistreatment toward some of these have been blown way out of proportion through propaganda. Read the writings of the people of the time and compare it with the revisionists of our time and you will see what I mean. The clearest examples of mistreatment concerns racial mistreatment of blacks. Much of the others tied to this, such a women's rights, American Indians, and Homosexuality, are riding the coattails of the civil rights movement. There are illusionary and delusionary elements in these other categories. David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
whileJC ain't requiring himselfto attenda moderator'sJudgement,he's requiringthe moderatorto stand in forhim till he gets here? On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:28:06 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..what [do]you actually have knowledge of first hand concerning these mistreatments. What do you truly know about them through your own first hand experience?
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 3:09:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Who isrequired to attend your Judgment? cd: Care to expand on this Gary so that I can clearly understand you? On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/11/2006 9:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. themoderator splittin' hairs in public--by whatauthority? To define the differences between the lost and the brethren is not splitting hairs G On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:.."believers" didn't misteat women the so-called christians did.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Debbie wrote: They think that if you love Jesus enough, your position on everything will be correct. A better way to say this is that we believe that our positions will BECOME correct if we continue to walk in faith and love toward Jesus. We are promised (guaranteed) that the Holy Spirit will lead us and guide us into all truth. We believe this promise (guarantee). David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: February 11, 2006 08:44 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. I don't see the harm that stems from loving Jesus and seeking His will. If I can say, with a pure heart, that I desire both of those, there is nothing harmful about my views. No harm stems from loving Jesus and seeking his will. But it is certainly no guarantee against the holding of harmful views. But I don't think there's any use saying this, because they simply don't agree. They think that if you love Jesus enough, your position on everything will be correct. D From: Lance Muir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:26 AM To: Debbie Sawczak Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 10, 2006 23:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Lance wrote: The harm done to women, both in the church and in society at large Lance what harm have I done? Are my ideologies so offensive? I take my cue from the Bible, from Jesus confirming the Bible's wisdom in my heart, and from living with a strong, Godly woman: my mother. Your comment here is strikingly similar to the students here on campus, who are offended by my thinking and call me dangerous and a bigot. I don't see the harm that stems from loving Jesus and seeking His will. If I can say, with a pure heart, that I desire both of those, there is nothing harmful about my views. Blessings Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Christine but, this is just is just Christine 'McMiller' speaking (as in Edgar Bergen Charlie McCarthy - for Judy's research). The harm done to women, both in the church and in society at large, by your Dad and, by extension, yourself is reprehensible. You may one day have a 'voice' of your own but, for the time being you are but an androgenous version of DM. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 08, 2006 15:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Why is sexism a bad thing, Lance? I know you have been brainwashed to understand that term to mean something horrible and unethical, but we would be foolish to ignore that men and women are different from one another. I appreciate you offering me an apology, but I was not offended by Dean's remarks. Even if I was offended, Dean is entitled to his opinion, and should not lose his office of Moderator for having an opinion that isn't politically correct. You are attempting to institute Thought Crime, here, Lance. I'm pretty sure George Orwell wrote 1984 as a warning, not as a How-to Book. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Judy? How about sorry Christine, Mrs. David Miller, Mrs. everybody who might read this thoroughly sexist remark. How about David 'lifting' you as Moderator (?) immediately? This remark, IMO, goes far beyond the minor engagement between DH and miscellaneous others. As to the latter Dean, it is always wise to know when someone WON'T be 'proven wrong' on an issue. I perceive that this is one of those, Dean. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 08, 2006 11:49 Subject: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/8/2006 11:34:58 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd) Originality not being your strong suit Dean, you are to be commended on parroting Judy's perpetual jibe. As neither of you knows whereof you speak, we'll just smile in response. Of all things that I'd not anticipated from you, JT DM was 'buddying up' with the Mormons. You may just be out of your league as Moderator. You are out of your league theologically. Mayhap a call to DM would prove helpful prior entering the ring on this one again. You will need much more than Webster's dictionary, I'm afraid.\ cd: :-) Hello DavH O' buddy how are you today-aren't you glad our God isn't feminine so the earth won't be flooded once a month(sorry Judy-but I'm getting visions of an angry female God with lighting bolts-scary)?So Lance why don't you prove me wrong instead of waiting to agree with the disagreeables. - Original Message
