Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anyone available to help a brand new user in Derbyshire?

[Pete Smout]

Hi,
Just a thought local user groups quite often help and support new users
(Hampshire lug)  has helped me before!

Not sure if there is one in Derbyshire but worth a Google (or alternative
search engine)

Pete S
On 23 Jul 2016 13:11, "alan c"  wrote:

> Sorry I can't help in person, however, just a reminder that under many
> circumstances, the program Teamviewer is free of charge for amateur,
> non business use. I have used it for remote friends, on one occasion
> a friend had moved to France for some years.
>
> It works well, if sometimes slow on the link.
>
> In an extreme case:
> If the remote novice had a completely separate spare machine, which
> could be simply wiped etc with no worry of lack data backup etc and
> loss of home internet (if an install somehow got screwed) then it is
> even possible to do a fresh install by remote, via Teamviewer, caviat:
> the remote friend would need to be calm accurate on keyboard, and have
> good systematic use of the parallel phone conversation. Also at
> (least) one key stage, a machine restart etc is needed, also the
> install disk is best used at the remote location etc. With one very
> systematic remote friend I have actually done this, it worked. However
> some friends are nervous and may find difficulty in following an
> instruction confidently.
>
> Good luck
>
> On 15/07/16 17:26, Barry Titterton wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Is there anyone who lives near mid-Derbyshire and could spare an evening
> > to help a brand new user do their first install? The user in question is
> > an old friend on mine who has a Vista laptop that he wants to convert to
> > Linux. He has limited technical skill so would benefit from someone
> > walking him through his first install. I am not able to help him as I
> > now live in County Durham which makes it quite a long round trip.
> > Please PM me if you may be able to help and I will give you more details.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Barry T
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Mystic Meg aka Facebook

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On 22 Jun 2016 06:13, "Gareth France"  wrote:
>
>
>
> On 22/06/16 01:10, Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>> Do you have the FB client on your smartphone? Did you let it access
>> your contacts? Then it knows who you called, knows his number and made
>> the connection.
>
>
> As I understand it this would not be possible on the Ubuntu phone.

There's is a great advert for the Ubuntu phone

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Exposure

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On Feb 15, 2015 1:13 PM, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't know, Professor Mike and his Machine sounds like a great
 children's book. :)


Not to mention any publicity is good publicity, so let's not be too harsh ;)

Pete s

 On 15 February 2015 at 13:07, Gareth France
 gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote:
  Spam?
 
  On 15/02/15 12:57, Sheila Farmer wrote:
 
  Hi ,
  My name is Sheila Farmer, I am a friend of the Professor Mike and his
  machine, I have cured malignant brain cancer, my book is soon to be
  serialised in the National Tabloids, called Blue Rooms
  www.sheilamfarmer.com http://www.sheilamfarmer.com, Your party is
  mentioned in it, you will get extreme exposure from it.  The content of
  the book was censored but I have found a way around it.  If you would
  like to talk to me let me know.
  Thanks Sheila Farmer.  Michael Tellinger for president.
 
 
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Posting conventions - was Re: Keyobard issues in 14.10

[Pete Smout]

On Jan 25, 2015 2:46 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker gordonbp@owncube.email
wrote:

 On 22/01/15 13:58, George DiceGeorge wrote:
  Outlook?   Ah yes, I remember 
    Hard to imagine many using a Microsoft program on an Ubuntu list
  though.
 
  hm hm I'm using outlook or liveor express or whatever M$ call it now
  on this pc with win7
  cos i started with hotmail decades ago
  and still have many ancient emails archived in it
 
  [george]
 
 
 You can certainly access Hotmail (or Outlook.com) via Thunderbird on
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Hi,
 Or evolution or k9mail but as ms stopped me having access to my
hotmail account, and showing historical mails sent back to the 90's doesn't
count as proof I had the account, I no longer use them!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choice of laptop

[Pete Smout]

On Nov 6, 2014 11:39 PM, Stuart Ward stuart.w...@bcs.org wrote:


 On 6 November 2014 21:24, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote:

 Apart from Android devices,  and maybe chomebooks


 And routers, TVs, set top boxes, cameras, car stereos, washing machines,
dishwashers...

Car stereos, Windows 8, adobe Photoshop.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Constant crashing

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On May 30, 2014 9:57 AM, George DiceGeorge dicegeo...@hotmail.com wrote:

 as its an older machine try xubuntu?
 http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
 [g]


 -Original Message- From: Gareth France Sent: Friday, 30 May, 2014
07:07 To: UK Ubuntu Talk Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Constant crashing
 I recently installed Ubuntu on a friends computer as it was running
painfully slowly with Windows. It is an older machine and xx


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Hi,

On that age of machine I would consider lubuntu or xubuntu or even
crunchbang (not a *buntu but Debian based lightweight Openbox os, hope I
don't break any list rules straying from *buntus)

Also look at how much RAM the machine has, it can be picked up for a few
pounds now !

Regards

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ending Dual-Boot

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Thanks for the information, more thanks for the detailed explanation

@google hope you enjoyed reading this, It had nothing to do with you!
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On Mar 10, 2014 4:39 PM, Daniel Llewellyn diddle...@gmail.com wrote:

 dpkg -l | grep '^i'

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 To filter the list to just installed packages we pipe the output (that's
 the | character which is shift+\) to grep which checks for lines beginning
 (^) with the letter i which is what dpkg -l outputs for installed
 packages.


 On 9 March 2014 17:34, Peter Smout smoutp...@gmail.com wrote:

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 On 09/03/14 17:14, Jim Price wrote:
  On 09/03/14 17:04, Nigel Verity wrote:
  Hi
 
  The big day has arrived. I'm in a position to finish with all
  this dual-boot nonsense and give my Dell laptop entirely over to
  Xubuntu. If I use
  GParted
  to delete the 2 partitions used by Windows 7, and then resize the
  Linux partition, it strikes me that Grub might get into a mess.
  I'm sure I could probably modify the Grub setup but is this
  approach more trouble than
  it's
  worth? Would I be better off just starting from scratch with a
  fresh Xubuntu install? The reason I'd like to avoid this if
  practical is that it always takes me a couple of days to get
  everything just the way I like it
  whenever
  I do a full reinstall.
 
  Any advice most welcome.
 
  What I do in such circumstances is to make sure I have an Ubuntu
  server CD of the appropriate version so that if things don't boot
  properly after removing partitions, I can just use it to re-install
  GRUB. That's about the only thing which usually goes wrong. In case
  anything else goes wrong, make backups and generate a package list,
  so at least if you do have to re-install you can just restore your
  home directory and re-install all your software easily.
 
 
 For future reference is there a command to list installed packages?
 the one thing I need to make new installs easy!!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Pipelight and more.

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 I know from your follow-on message you meant 14.04. LTS releases are
 usually quite conservative - don't expect all that much!
 
 
Hi,

I hope not too many tweaks from 13.10, running so nice ATM no crashes or
hangs (apart from suspend, which doesn't bother me!)

I'm hoping no major leaps, Mir for example, these things should be
rolled out in 'development' versions not LTS

Just my £0.02

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Computer restarts on shutdown

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@google hope you enjoyed reading this, It had nothing to do with you!
sent from my HTC.
On Feb 17, 2014 1:27 PM, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 17 February 2014 11:16, James Morrissey morrissey.jam...@gmail.com
wrote:
  The core of this issue is that when i go to shutdown my machine it
regularly
  reboots automatically.


 I've seen that on some machines, but some years ago - before the last LTS.

 I cured it by updating the kernel. You know that newer kernels are
 backported to LTS versions?

 You can install them under the names:

 linux-image-generic-quantal
 linux-image-generic-raring
 linux-image-generic-saucy

 There are also PAE versions and so on.

Good to know. I can revive my ancient laptop that always moans about
pae!

Thanks

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with Linux Emporium website?

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@google hope you enjoyed reading this, It had nothing to do with you!
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On Feb 13, 2014 10:47 PM, Peter Maddison ponchorat1...@hotmail.com
wrote:



 
 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 22:05:55 +
 From: sfgreenw...@gmail.com

 To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with Linux Emporium website?


 You get 4 of each, all you need to do is send me an SAE and I return it
with stickers enclosed.

 Pete


I do belive I will as well you might be busy now! If I email you off-list
for the postal address would that be ok?

Thanks

Pete s

 On 13 February 2014 20:05, Peter Maddison ponchorat1...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 What stickers are you after as I am system76's UK outlet for 'Powered by
Ubuntu' and an alternative to the Window$ logo key.


 The free stickers come from System 76 according to the Linux Emporium
site so they could be the 'Powered by Ubuntu' ones. The Canonical set has
black and white Windows key stickers.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Restricting the Open Internet - is this a threat to Open Source

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On 31/01/14 11:32, Tony Scott wrote:

On 31 January 2014 07:25, Martin Dixon mh.di...@btinternet.com wrote:

Join me in this
campaign here: http://www.avaaz.org/en/internet_apocalypse_pa_eu/?kbnbtab


Already signed up!

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Hi,

Signed ant now spreading the word

Thanks

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Restricting the Open Internet - is this a threat to Open Source

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On 31/01/14 11:45, Avi Greenbury wrote:

Martin Dixon wrote:


The US and the EU are on the verge of giving rich corporations the
right to control what we all see online -- but we can stop it if we
build the largest call for a democratic and free Internet ever. Join
me in this campaign here:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/internet_apocalypse_pa_eu/?kbnbtab

What does signing up here achieve? Aren't avaaz petitions basically a
more feel-good version of a Facebook like?


Hi,

Before this post gets modded! Democracy is changing before our eyes, the 
old school political elite are extinct, (they're just realising it and 
trying to slow down their inevitable demise)  old party lines are 
defunct, peoples beliefs and ideals no-longer match those of the ruling 
class. Sites such as avaaz, change.org et al are the future of democracy 
and even if this particular petition achieves nothing, we the people 
should feel privileged to be in at the beginning of something wonderful 
not questioning it's effectiveness!


Just my rant out of the way!!

Sorry to the mods this has wondered way off-topic

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open formats in UK gov?

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On 29/01/14 21:00, Andres wrote:

I guess this is not news for some of you but thought I'd mention it. Baby steps 
it seems:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/29/uk-government-plans-switch-to-open-source-from-microsoft-office-suite





Hi all,

As a UK taxpayer, can I just say about ing time to!!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Strange problem .....

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On Dec 15, 2013 10:48 AM, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote:

 Hi there ...  Got a weird problem in Trusty.  When booting, I get to the
login screen and find I have no keyboard at quite random intervals.  It
boots properly an most occasions, then boots with the problem.  If I get up
a terminal, the keyboard works, so this is something to do with 'X' I
guess.  The only workaround I can find is to go into suspend and then
re-awaken after which the keyboard works.  Re-booting almost never gets the
keyboard back.

 I'd like to report this as a bug but have no idea how to do so as I've no
clue where how and what the problem might be.  Any thoughts?  I've never
seen th problem in Saucy.

 Regards,Barry Drake.

Hi,

Don't know if its linked but for some unknown reason my 13.10 keeps going
to American keyboard layout, event though the default is UK! No pattern and
easy fix but seem strange we should both have keyboard related issue that
shows its face randomly!

Regards

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug 1251702

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On Nov 15, 2013 6:34 PM, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote:

 On 15/11/13 17:31, Dave Morley wrote:
  On 15/11/13 17:27, Barry Drake wrote:
  Hi there ...   I've just reported Bug 1251702 under Trusty.  I haven't
  checked out Saucy, but I wonder if it's in there too?  It's probably
the
  first time I've wanted to burn more than one iso at the same time.  The
  first one burns fine, and Brasero closes with no error message.  I try
  to load another iso using Brasero and nothing happens.  I have to
  re-boot to do the next iso.  I've repeated the bug four times now.
  Anyone care to confirm it?
 
  Regards,Barry Drake.
 
 
  This is a really old bug, the issue is once the first iso is burnt the
  process is never closed (bug in brasero/gvfs) the work around is simply
  open a terminal and type killall brasero


 I have not bothered to use brasero for so long now I lost count.
 I only use K3b
 Long standing bugs in default apps give things a bad name..

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Hi
This is the exact problem that made me go from default (brasero) to k3b!

Bugs in the default apps should be given priority gives newbies the
impression nothing ever gets fixed! Just my opinion!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug 1251702

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On Nov 15, 2013 7:18 PM, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote:

 Hi Barry,

 On 15 November 2013 17:27, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote:
  Hi there ...   I've just reported Bug 1251702 under Trusty.  I haven't
  checked out Saucy, but I wonder if it's in there too?  It's probably the
  first time I've wanted to burn more than one iso at the same time.  The
  first one burns fine, and Brasero closes with no error message.  I try
to
  load another iso using Brasero and nothing happens.  I have to re-boot
to do
  the next iso.  I've repeated the bug four times now.  Anyone care to
confirm
  it?

 It's a dupe of 907311 and is already fixed upstream.

https://git.gnome.org/browse/brasero/commit/?id=f122ee0620380b7c21edce722cfe347f10c8c827

 Needs fixing in trusty and can then be backported to saucy / precise
 etc if affected.

 Cheers,
 Al.


Hi,
Just tried on saucy and still present! Should i confirm the bug 'affects
me' or wait for the fix to roll down?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Saucy Salamander - [Name]

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On Sep 22, 2013 9:38 PM, Daniel Llewellyn diddle...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 22 September 2013 19:28, Bruno Girin brunogi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 21 September 2013 10:37, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote:

 Telephonic Triggerfish


 Toothy Tigershark.


 the one that nobody would like to come across because they know exactly
where you are at all times:

 telepathic tarantula

Or of course Telescopic Tuna

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Samsung might be getting rid of Android and using their own Linux based OS

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On Sep 12, 2013 11:20 AM, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote:


 Ok sorry about top posting my last message on phone and hadnt worked
out how to bottom post..

 I would like to see an Ubuntu phoneI would be interested in running
it alongside the OS that I run now

 If more people had paid $700 for one you could have seen one in May next
year...

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 But $700 is a lot of money...for an unknown OS..I would use it if
I could run it alongside the OS I have on the phone now. Is it going to be
out for general use soon and what Phones can be used with it

I agree, $700 is a lot for untested software, I would happily install
alongside Android, even at beta test stage, but I will not pay a months
rent for the privalige! I hope the project lives on but feel that a major
error of judgment was made setting the price point, and perhaps a tie in
with manufacturer / service provider was a better route to take.
I don't know anyone who buys their handset, they are bundled up with their
service contract.

Just my 0.02p worth
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Not everyone is an expert!

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On 22/08/13 15:59, Gareth France wrote:
 
 It's not just here. I have seen this in other online forums. It seems
 that when you require the help the most is when certain individuals
 have the least patience. I shall continue to lurk but I'm afraid that
 my enthusiasm for engaging in conversation is not what it once was.

 I second this,  I have come across the get lost and use google brigade
 even when asking for advice based on peoples personal experiences,  with
 something.  its really off putting,.   I have however found this forum
 friendly and helpful so  in this context it is OTHER forums where I have
 had problems.  but end of the day it's still the GNU/Linux community
 that looks bad.

 Paul

 I am in a dead area for user groups and would like to start one up. I
 feel it would be a great help to have something physical where people
 can go for help, support and encouragement. However whenever I mention
 this and try to push for it I just get hit with a whole lot of negative
 comments and lethargy. Nobody seems willing to support the idea at all
 and I think it's a real shame. There seems to be a lot of laziness and
 'let somebody else deal with it' attitude going on. I'm more than happy
 to set one up but it's not easy when you don't have any proof that
 anybody else will even turn up!


Hi,
Where are you? If we are close then I will help out!
always happy to meet like minded people ;)

 We all need to remember at all times that when we talk on these forums,
 chat rooms, web pages that we are representing the brand (whichever
 floats your boat) and so should keep it positive, constructive and
 supportive at all times. If any of us feels the need to drag the tone
 down we really shouldn't be doing so in such a public way, keep it 1 on 1.
 
Agreed 100%

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....

[pete smout]

 in seeing them, But google will provide the answers im sure!!

Thanks for giving me some more research I dont spend enough time in
front of a screen (lol)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....

[pete smout]

On 22/08/13 11:59, pete smout wrote:
 On 22/08/13 11:41, Paul Sutton wrote:
 On 21/08/13 22:12, scoundrel50a wrote:
 On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote:
 On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote:

 Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts
 something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and
 not
 everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for
 years
 its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the
 group, I
 dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when
 people see this.



 On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a
 number
 of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not
 so long
 back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably
 harsh manner
 by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no
 evidence and
 proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem.

 I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an
 expert, not
 everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you
 respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption
 and as
 many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making
 them
 feel small, they will only leave.
 I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking
 exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he
 said.  Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried
 you?

 Colin

 I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was
 acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot
 me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did.

 I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt
 completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like
 they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable
 about Linux.the rest of us are treated like I have been now.

 An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are
 shouted down in, by the same people every time.




 If there is a threat out there,  no matter small people should be a)
 aware of it, and b) advised on how to avoid problems,  if everyone does
 small things to protect their own systems, then surely the wider
 community benefits,

 Look at how many bot nets are out there,  there seems to be several
 million compromised Windows computers out there all chugging away and
 awaiting some instruction to do something nasty, 

 some of the suggestions offered are easy to implement others not so
 unless you understand what it is asking you to do

 #


 Do not install unsigned packages
 # Do not add unofficial repositories without investigating said repository
 # Keep your system up to date at all times
 # Keep all browser plugins up to date
 # If your distribution has SELinux, use it
 # Do not let others install software on your machines
 # Use solid passwords
 # If asked to enter root user (or sudo) password, always know why

 Maybe what is needed here are links to sites that advise on all the
 above issues,  the reference to SELinux could have a link to the SELinux
 website and an explanation of what this is, why its important. useful
 and what I should use it,  it says don't install things you don't
 understand,  well you have asked me to install SELinux which i sort of
 understand does this mean I should or should not install it,  (look at
 that from a complete new user viewpoint)



 Sometimes when advice sounds like the obvious to an expert it really
 does baffle the novice,  lets take a step back and address each of the
 above and perhaps help people (esp new users) to make their systems more
 secure through education and advice.

 I am happy to host information on the dcglug website blog if people can
 help me explain each of the above points please, this information will
 then be in one place and can act to help others both expert and novice
 help others.
 Hope this helps

 In fact such information could or would quite possibly be something to
 include in the ubuntu-manual project and lubuntu documentation, 

 Paul


 Hi,
 Although I have heard of SELinux I have never used it, I believe (not
 certain) that it comes as default on modern *buntu systems?!
 Does it need setting up, if so a link to a how to would be good!
 What are the benefits if using / installing it over not having it?
 What are the pitfalls of using it (for example I use the mozilla ppa as
 the firefox version in the Ubunutu repos is too out of date for certain
 webpages, let alone from a security point of view, will it allow me to
 continue using it?)
 
 I think some more research on my part is needed as in my everyday world
 SEL means Shelf Edge Label so the name leads to confusion ;)
 
 Good Job I'm not working today and I have the time to research, if
 anyone has some good links on the subject I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....

[pete smout]

On 22/08/13 12:33, Kris Douglas wrote:
 On 22 August 2013 12:21, pete smout psmo...@live.com wrote:
 On 22/08/13 11:59, pete smout wrote:
 On 22/08/13 11:41, Paul Sutton wrote:
 On 21/08/13 22:12, scoundrel50a wrote:
 On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote:
 On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote:

 Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts
 something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and
 not
 everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for
 years
 its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the
 group, I
 dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when
 people see this.



 On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a
 number
 of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not
 so long
 back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably
 harsh manner
 by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no
 evidence and
 proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem.

 I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an
 expert, not
 everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you
 respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption
 and as
 many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making
 them
 feel small, they will only leave.
 I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking
 exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he
 said.  Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried
 you?

 Colin

 I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was
 acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot
 me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did.

 I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt
 completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like
 they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable
 about Linux.the rest of us are treated like I have been now.

 An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are
 shouted down in, by the same people every time.




 If there is a threat out there,  no matter small people should be a)
 aware of it, and b) advised on how to avoid problems,  if everyone does
 small things to protect their own systems, then surely the wider
 community benefits,

 Look at how many bot nets are out there,  there seems to be several
 million compromised Windows computers out there all chugging away and
 awaiting some instruction to do something nasty,

 some of the suggestions offered are easy to implement others not so
 unless you understand what it is asking you to do

 #


 Do not install unsigned packages
 # Do not add unofficial repositories without investigating said repository
 # Keep your system up to date at all times
 # Keep all browser plugins up to date
 # If your distribution has SELinux, use it
 # Do not let others install software on your machines
 # Use solid passwords
 # If asked to enter root user (or sudo) password, always know why

 Maybe what is needed here are links to sites that advise on all the
 above issues,  the reference to SELinux could have a link to the SELinux
 website and an explanation of what this is, why its important. useful
 and what I should use it,  it says don't install things you don't
 understand,  well you have asked me to install SELinux which i sort of
 understand does this mean I should or should not install it,  (look at
 that from a complete new user viewpoint)



 Sometimes when advice sounds like the obvious to an expert it really
 does baffle the novice,  lets take a step back and address each of the
 above and perhaps help people (esp new users) to make their systems more
 secure through education and advice.

 I am happy to host information on the dcglug website blog if people can
 help me explain each of the above points please, this information will
 then be in one place and can act to help others both expert and novice
 help others.
 Hope this helps

 In fact such information could or would quite possibly be something to
 include in the ubuntu-manual project and lubuntu documentation,

 Paul


 Hi,
 Although I have heard of SELinux I have never used it, I believe (not
 certain) that it comes as default on modern *buntu systems?!
 Does it need setting up, if so a link to a how to would be good!
 What are the benefits if using / installing it over not having it?
 What are the pitfalls of using it (for example I use the mozilla ppa as
 the firefox version in the Ubunutu repos is too out of date for certain
 webpages, let alone from a security point of view, will it allow me to
 continue using it?)

 I think some more research on my part is needed as in my everyday world
 SEL means Shelf Edge Label so the name leads to confusion ;)

 Good Job I'm

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....

[pete smout]

On 21/08/13 08:27, Colin Law wrote:
 On 21 August 2013 04:05, Peter Maddison ponchorat1...@hotmail.com wrote:

 NOTE the keyword -- IF you install it.
 Unless you NEVER use the OFFICIAL REPO and are totally careless with your 
 system then there's a VERY high chance you could infect your system with ANY 
 virus.
 
 I don't think that is what you meant to say, but I am not sure what
 you did mean.
 
 Colin
 
I think he meant UN-official repos! And I am more fussy today than i was
6 years ago when i first made the leap from windoze do Ubuntu partly
because I have now found my favourite packages, and know what I want,
partly because I am more aware of the risks!

In some ways this has narrowed my view, and I am less likely to
experiment with the latest ( possibly greatest) new thing out there,
but at least my productivity has improved ;)

in short as long as we are aware of the risks, we are (hopefully) all
intelligent enough to make an informed choice, and we just have a duty
to put the info out there to inform new users of the potential risks of
adding random PPA's so they are equally well informed.

Pete S (the first one);)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Not everyone is an expert!

[pete smout]

On 21/08/13 22:02, Gareth France wrote:
 On 21/08/13 21:59, Dave Walker wrote:
 Gareth, I'm sorry to hear you've had a bad experience.  I haven't
 looked back at the thread, but please be assured that isn't the spirit
 of this mailing list.  Please do stay around :)

 On 21 August 2013 21:16, Gareth France
 gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 21/08/13 17:45, Paul White wrote:
 SNIP
 Very true. much in the same way as bossy boots who could never be
 managers
 in real life always find their way to the top in charity committees and
 proceed to make everyone's life a misery just because they can.
 Why else would someone choose to be a manager, without these perks?

 It's not just here. I have seen this in other online forums. It seems
 that when you require the help the most is when certain individuals have
 the least patience. I shall continue to lurk but I'm afraid that my
 enthusiasm for engaging in conversation is not what it once was.
 

I read this list most days, and when I take into account that tone of
voice is very hard to get over in text form I have found most people to
be kind and helpful 99% of the time, of course we all have bad days ;)
everyone here has taught me so much and it is only recently that I have
felt confidant enough in my own abilities to help answer questions
(bearing in mind that most still fall beyond my comfort zone).
I hope no-one is ever put off asking a question no matter how trivial as
that is how I learn, and if the 'experts' feel any question is beneath
their level, the please leave it to us enthusiastic amateurs and correct
us when we go astray of if there is an easier / better / safer method of
getting the desired result. I feel this is the way forward and it
benefits all on this list, freeing up the 'experts' time so they can be
more productive and new users get help at their level, safe in the
knowledge that any completely wrong answers will be pointed out within a
reasonable time.

If anyone disagrees with this then I will not take any offence at being
told why I am mistaken.

Thanks again to *all* on this list for all the help advice given (not
just to me) over the years, without you all I am almost ashamed to say I
would probably still be a windoze user and never have seen the light ;))

regards

Pete Smout




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....

[pete smout]

On 20/08/13 17:38, scoundrel50a wrote:
 http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/hand-of-thief-malware-could-be-dangerous-if-you-install-it/?ftag=TRE475558as_cid=e011tag=nl.e011ttag=e011
 
 
Thanks for the heads up first i'd heard of it
suppose we all have to be more careful now we are no longer the silent
minority but gaining market share!

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Decent, Cheap, Laptop for Ubuntu

[pete smout]

On 24/07/13 13:07, Roland Dunn wrote:
 Hi,
 Wonder if anyone can help.
 
 I'm looking to purchase a decent laptop, to be used with Ubuntu. I
 know, many laptops work with Ubuntu, I was just wondering whether
 there's a particular brand/model people use. Not interested in a Mac.
 
 I'm open to second hand. So any source where folks get them from would
 be useful too. Looking for around 6GB RAM.
 
 One key thing: must *not* get hot. I've been using a Dell XPS M1530
 for a good few years, but it gets so hot (and that's even using a
 cooling gadget underneath it) it's almost unusable.
 
 Any thoughts/opinions really welcome.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Cheers
 R
 
 
 w: http://www.cloudshapes.co.uk/
 https://twitter.com/roland_dunn
 http://uk.linkedin.com/in/rolanddunn
 

Hi,

I don't know where you are based, But my first port-of-call would be my
local computer recycling charity (jamies computers here in Southampton
[1]), they have a reasonably good selection of second hand laptops from
£75 - £150 depending on spec.
The last time I went in their I came away wishing I had a spare £100 for
a Sony Vaio laptop with dual-core, 500gb HDD  6gb RAM! Their stock does
seem to change frequently so have a look and then google the lappy for
faults, compatibility.


In my experience anything that is not too new will work (if you go for
the latest and greatest then you may have to wait / or build your own
divers etc).

As for the overheating issue I have found it common if the laptop is not
kept clean, by which I mean cleaning the fan  heat-sink etc
under-the-hood, My Acer Aspire was suffering earlier in the week in the
hot weather, took it apart cleaned, replaced thermal paste on heat-sinkn
and all is great again. (note my Acer [80gb HDD dual core, 3gb ram] is
reaching EOL for Ubuntu I feel as Unity is using alot of umph, but I
should get another year to 18 mths outta it yet touch wood).

Hope this helps

Pete

[1] http://www.jamies.org.uk/sales.html


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Decent, Cheap, Laptop for Ubuntu

[pete smout]

On 24/07/13 15:00, Liam Proven wrote:
 On 24 July 2013 13:07, Roland Dunn roland.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 Wonder if anyone can help.

 I'm looking to purchase a decent laptop, to be used with Ubuntu. I
 know, many laptops work with Ubuntu, I was just wondering whether
 there's a particular brand/model people use. Not interested in a Mac.

 I'm open to second hand. So any source where folks get them from would
 be useful too. Looking for around 6GB RAM.

 One key thing: must *not* get hot. I've been using a Dell XPS M1530
 for a good few years, but it gets so hot (and that's even using a
 cooling gadget underneath it) it's almost unusable.

 Any thoughts/opinions really welcome.
 
 http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/
 
 I recommend Thinkpads, myself.
 
 
Thanks for the link, good prices on thinkpads, I will think on that

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting

[pete smout]

On 20/07/13 13:06, John Oliver wrote:
 On 20/07/13 07:36, mac wrote:
 On 20 Jul 2013, at 03:48, Steven Roberts
 cwmbranmathstu...@gmail.com wrote:
 So, has anyone else been too worried about using the wrong
 protocol on here?
 
 This issue is a hardy perennial. There seem to be two worlds: one
 that maintains the original and ancient traditions of the early
 internet, and puts replies (preferably only plain text) below the
 original post; and one - containing the majority of the commercial,
 business and government world - that follows conventions introduced
 by Microsoft, and replies in HTML above the original.
 
 Here, we are hard-core traditionalists: plain text replies below
 original. We sometimes have to remind people to do it.
 
 There is, of course, no right answer - these are the conventions
 and traditions of different cultures. Anyway, when in France, be
 polite and speak French! ;)
 
 mac
 
 That's quite a relief for me to hear it - I wasn't sure either!
 
 -John
 
 
I am sue that the intention is not to scare people away, just to make
the threads easier to follow when looking things up in the future!
I would personally like anyone who needs technical support, ask for it
how ever their phone I-pad or whatever lets them post!

Just my 2 pence worth

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Toshiba Satellite Wireless Lock-down?

[pete smout]

On 11/07/13 00:12, James Tait wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi all,

Recently my wife's laptop has been experiencing some wireless issues -
slow performance, drop-outs and the like.  We have numerous
wireless-enabled devices in the house and although we have the
occasional blip, none of the other devices seem to be affected to the
same extent, so I figured it was probably related to the laptop itself
and set about trying to figure out what the problem might be.

The laptop is a Toshiba Satellite L450-188 running Ubuntu 12.04 with
the LTS backport kernel from Raring.  The original wireless card in it
is a Realtek RTL8191SE.  I tried replacing it with the Atheros-based
card from my son's EeePC, but although the card was apparently
recognised, and the ath5k module loaded, the card was disabled:

jtait@mothership:~$ rfkill list
0: phy0: Wireless LAN
 Soft blocked: no
 Hard blocked: yes

rfkill unblock has no effect - no error, but the card remains hard
blocked.  The wireless key (Fn-F8) simply toggles the soft block, and
the laptop has no hardware switch that I can see.  There's a setting
in the BIOS that doesn't seem to have any effect.  So I picked up an
Intel IWL4965AGN card on eBay for a couple of quid and tried that, but
the result was the same:

jtait@mothership:~$ rfkill list
0: phy0: Wireless LAN
 Soft blocked: no
 Hard blocked: yes

I've tried countless solutions on ubuntuforums and so on.  Is it
possible that Toshiba have decided to lock the laptop down to a
specific kind of wireless card?

JT
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Hi,

My Acer laptop (intel Wifi card) suffered wifi probs on 12.04, never did 
get to the bottom of it, but upgrading to 13.04 solved it! I know this 
is not necessarily a solution but if you can pin down what has changed 
between the versions it might help (I have to admit once it 'fixed 
itself' I stopped looking!) if it helps ill post the output of some 
helpful commands below, and if you want any other info I would be happy 
to provide it.

pete@petes-lappy:~$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory 
Controller Hub (rev 03)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 
Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 03)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 
Integrated Graphics Controller (secondary) (rev 03)
00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #4 (rev 03)
00:1a.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #5 (rev 03)
00:1a.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI 
Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio 
Controller (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express 
Port 1 (rev 03)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express 
Port 2 (rev 03)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express 
Port 3 (rev 03)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express 
Port 4 (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI 
Controller #1 (rev 03)

00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f3)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HM (ICH8M) LPC Interface 
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE 
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) 
SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller 
(rev 03)
05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5787M 
Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG 
[Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
07:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller 
(rev 05)
07:00.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro 
Host Adapter (rev 22)
07:00.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host 
Adapter (rev 12)

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Toshiba Satellite Wireless Lock-down?

[pete smout]

On 11/07/13 09:22, pete smout wrote:

On 11/07/13 00:12, James Tait wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi all,

Recently my wife's laptop has been experiencing some wireless issues -
slow performance, drop-outs and the like.  We have numerous
wireless-enabled devices in the house and although we have the
occasional blip, none of the other devices seem to be affected to the
same extent, so I figured it was probably related to the laptop itself
and set about trying to figure out what the problem might be.

The laptop is a Toshiba Satellite L450-188 running Ubuntu 12.04 with
the LTS backport kernel from Raring.  The original wireless card in it
is a Realtek RTL8191SE.  I tried replacing it with the Atheros-based
card from my son's EeePC, but although the card was apparently
recognised, and the ath5k module loaded, the card was disabled:

jtait@mothership:~$ rfkill list
0: phy0: Wireless LAN
 Soft blocked: no
 Hard blocked: yes

rfkill unblock has no effect - no error, but the card remains hard
blocked.  The wireless key (Fn-F8) simply toggles the soft block, and
the laptop has no hardware switch that I can see.  There's a setting
in the BIOS that doesn't seem to have any effect.  So I picked up an
Intel IWL4965AGN card on eBay for a couple of quid and tried that, but
the result was the same:

jtait@mothership:~$ rfkill list
0: phy0: Wireless LAN
 Soft blocked: no
 Hard blocked: yes

I've tried countless solutions on ubuntuforums and so on.  Is it
possible that Toshiba have decided to lock the laptop down to a
specific kind of wireless card?

JT
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xmpp:jayte...@wyrddreams.org
Programmer and Free Software advocate  |Tel: +44 (0)870 490 2407
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Hi,

My Acer laptop (intel Wifi card) suffered wifi probs on 12.04, never did
get to the bottom of it, but upgrading to 13.04 solved it! I know this
is not necessarily a solution but if you can pin down what has changed
between the versions it might help (I have to admit once it 'fixed
itself' I stopped looking!) if it helps ill post the output of some
helpful commands below, and if you want any other info I would be happy
to provide it.
pete@petes-lappy:~$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory
Controller Hub (rev 03)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 03)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
Integrated Graphics Controller (secondary) (rev 03)
00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI
Controller #4 (rev 03)
00:1a.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI
Controller #5 (rev 03)
00:1a.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI
Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio
Controller (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express
Port 1 (rev 03)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express
Port 2 (rev 03)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express
Port 3 (rev 03)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express
Port 4 (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI
Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI
Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI
Controller #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI
Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f3)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HM (ICH8M) LPC Interface
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E)
SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller
(rev 03)
05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5787M
Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
07:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller
(rev 05)
07:00.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro
Host Adapter (rev 22)
07:00.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host
Adapter (rev 12)
07

[ubuntu-uk] Linux Job

[pete smout]

Hi,
During my daily search for gainful employment, I stumbled across this 
http://www.technojobs.co.uk/job.phtml/1366734 : Which I do not have the 
experience to do :(


It does strike me as a great opportunity  I'm sure someone on this list 
is more capable than me!


Good luck

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Job

[pete smout]

On 10/07/13 15:46, J Fernyhough wrote:


On 10 July 2013 15:25, pete smout psmo...@live.com
mailto:psmo...@live.com wrote:

Hi,
During my daily search for gainful employment, I stumbled across
this http://www.technojobs.co.uk/__job.phtml/1366734
http://www.technojobs.co.uk/job.phtml/1366734 : Which I do not
have the experience to do :(

It does strike me as a great opportunity  I'm sure someone on this
list is more capable than me!

Good luck

Pete Smout


That does look good - not sure about the whole relocating to New Zealand
bit though!


That struck me as a major plus point ;)


Hmm... there are a few interesting-looking Linux jobs on there... just
a shame it's all recruitment agents rather than companies.


That is the way of the world these days! Just someone else making money 
along the way!



J



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Good morning!

[pete smout]

On 05/06/13 05:59, Bod Soutar wrote:

http://sadbhavrealtors.com/zgwbgptfsk.php/sadbhavrealtors.com/zgwbgptfsk.php



Weight loss spam...really!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

[pete smout]

On 10/05/13 09:22, Tony Pursell wrote:

Hi John

On 10 May 2013 00:09, John Oliver
jp.oli...@ntlworld.com
mailto:jp.oli...@ntlworld.com wrote:

I suppose it depends what's available on the platform. Looking at
schools and colleges on the UK the vast majority run Windows XP or
7. That's not necessarily because of the technical staff who are
often perfectly capable of using and managing a GNU/Linux system or
set of systems, not is it saying that Windows, Mac or Linux (etc)
has one better than the other. I've been using Ubuntu and other
distros for about 3  1/2 years now, but I also realise that Windows
7 as a platform in schools and in the enterprise is pretty good at
what it does, and I have grown to like Windows 7 a lot since its
release in 2009. But, seen as schools and colleges have been using
Windows since the 90s, it is simply easier to keep with it. Let us
not forget one of the main reasons education likes to stick with
Windows - MS Office, which is I find much more reliable and user
friendly than alternatives such as LibreOffice or KOffice. If you're
in education trying to teach children to word process it simply
isn't faesable to try to explain the difference between proprietary
and open-source software etc and then to get them to make a choice.
Such a thing would be a massive logistical operation too -
demonstrations on a projector screen would be wrong for everyone who
chose the other system, and would have to be done again.

So, basically, the point I am trying to make is that until Ubuntu
(or any alternative) can offer something that will really persuade
school/college technical staff to switch, then they won't. Why
bother messing on making the switch to something if it's just as
good and will take a lot of valuable time away from busy technical
staff? It's simply nonsensical as far as I can see, speaking from my
own experience.


I haven't time for a long reply, but the problem is one of digital
inclusion.  In the classroom only, it is OK, but many students need to
do work at home and cannot afford Office products (or they pirate them).

Please feel free to criticise me :)


Tony



Hi,

It appears to be closed now.. well sort of
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834

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[ubuntu-uk] Laptop locks up when lid re-opened

[pete smout]

Hi,

Im running 13-04, and I am *very* impressed apart from the slight issue, 
of it locking up when the lid on the laptop is closed and re-opened.
I can find nothing that shouts at me in either the kern.log or x.log but 
it has happened 3 times now!


It is worth noting that it does not happen every time the lid is closed 
approx 1 in 5?

The system is fully updated as of 9.30 am today.

	Symptoms:- open lid the 'screensaver' asks for password (as it should) 
the desktop reappears but the mouse cursor will not move, the keyboard 
is unresponsive (can't bring the dash up with 'super key' and ctrl-alt 
F1 does not work in dropping to shell the only thing i can do is a 'hard 
reset' hold the power button down for 10 sec (ish) and switch  the 
machine off!


	System Details:- Ubuntu 13-04 (Unity), 3gb RAM, 160gb HDD, (6gb Swap 
partition) INTEL graphics chip. (I also have XBMC  GNOME installed but 
not used when this problem presents itself!)


Anyone had a similar thing? or any ideas??

TIA

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[ubuntu-uk] Strange thunderbird message

[pete smout]

Hi,

I use Ubuntu 13-04 and whenever I start t-bird it informs me that 'My 
online accounts need attention' and there is no password for my Gmail 
account.
Despite this it will 'logon' to Gmail and get any new messages that are 
on there?


I have removed and re-instated the account in both t-bird and Online 
Accounts with no success, and although it functions fine, getting the 
error message is getting a bit boring now!!


Any thoughts

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Laptop locks up when lid re-opened

[pete smout]

On 30/05/13 11:27, Grant Phillips-Sewell wrote:

On 30 May 2013 11:18, pete smout psmo...@live.com
mailto:psmo...@live.com wrote:

Hi,

Im running 13-04, and I am *very* impressed apart from the slight
issue, of it locking up when the lid on the laptop is closed and
re-opened.
I can find nothing that shouts at me in either the kern.log or x.log
but it has happened 3 times now!

It is worth noting that it does not happen every time the lid is
closed approx 1 in 5?
The system is fully updated as of 9.30 am today.

 Symptoms:- open lid the 'screensaver' asks for password (as
it should) the desktop reappears but the mouse cursor will not move,
the keyboard is unresponsive (can't bring the dash up with 'super
key' and ctrl-alt F1 does not work in dropping to shell the only
thing i can do is a 'hard reset' hold the power button down for 10
sec (ish) and switch  the machine off!

 System Details:- Ubuntu 13-04 (Unity), 3gb RAM, 160gb HDD,
(6gb Swap partition) INTEL graphics chip. (I also have XBMC  GNOME
installed but not used when this problem presents itself!)

Anyone had a similar thing? or any ideas??

TIA

Pete


Hi Pete,

Do you have another machine that you can use when this happens? If you
do, then you might be able to SSH into your locked-up laptop to run some
more tests whilst the machine is actually locked up.

Grant.



Hi,

The laptop is an Acer Aspire 5720.

And Yes I do have access to another LINUX machine (not Ubutnu but 
openSuse) but that is at home and I am not at the moment! if the problem 
occurs when I am at home I will try ssh'ing into the laptop via suse, in 
the mean time I just trying to find out what is happening as it is *not* 
necessarily re-produceable 'on demand' only happens 1 in 5 times the lid 
is closed (approx).


Hope this helps

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Laptop locks up when lid re-opened

[pete smout]

On 30/05/13 11:59, Tony Scott wrote:

On 30 May 2013 11:44, pete smout psmo...@live.com wrote:

The laptop is an Acer Aspire 5720.



Hi Pete

Have you tried to see if the problem is on Google?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Acer+Aspire+5720+ubuntuoq=Acer+Aspire+5720+ubuntu

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Hi Tony

Yes I did look, all I found was how to patch the kernel to control the 
CPU fan, as Acer 'forgot' to put it in BIOS and 'pathced Win VISTA'!


The lockup on close of lid was first noticed 2 days ago, and I put it 
down to 'computers do misbehave!' but now it has occurred 3 or 4 times, 
I have to put it down to a change of something? (I have been running 
13-04 without issue for approx 3wks now). The only packages that have 
been installed / removed in that time are Updates done via 'Software 
Updater' in the GUI (yes I know you can use the terminal but I'm 
basically a lazy person ;¬)  ). I also know that raring is a 
'development release' ie. not LTS and as such issues may well occur and 
the point of posting here was to see if it was just me.. as it 
appears to me to be Update related?!? *I may be wrong*


The suggestion from Grant to ssh into my lappy has been taken on board 
and I have already arranged with a friend to use his machine to ssh into 
mine *if* the issue pokes its head up before I get home!


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tweak not working after upgrade from precise to quantal

[pete smout]

On 12/05/13 09:31, pete smout wrote:

On 12/05/13 09:24, pete smout wrote:

Hi,

I am having a strange issue after upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, ubuntu
tweak wont start!
When I run from terminal (ubuntu-tweak -d) i get the following message:

(ubuntu-tweak:21744): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_error_trap_pop_internal:
assertion `trap != NULL' failed
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function func_wrapper at 0x9009d4c
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function _confirm_deps at 0x9009d84
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_find_object at 0x90234c4
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_scan_finished at 0x9023534
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_scan_error at 0x90235a4
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_plugin_object_cleaned at 0x90236f4
(debug.py:184)
compizconfig - Info: Backend : gsettings
compizconfig - Info: Integration : true
compizconfig - Info: Profile : unity
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

I have found https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tweak/+question/220799
which is the same but says to purge Gnome PPA (which I dont have in use)
so has anyone hear got any ideas?

Thanks in advance

Pete



Here is a link to a copy of my sources.list so you can see if any PPA's
are causing the issue
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80216532/sources.list
Thanks Again

Pete



Hi,
I have upgraded again to raring (13.04) (must say wow great job to the 
devs!!) and purged ubuntu-tweak (sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-tweak) then 
restarted and re installed it.


It still dont work but after a bit of searching through the kern.log i 
found error:0 in libkconfig4.so, but synaptic cant find libkconfig4.so 
to try installing / reinstalling it so I am at a bit of a loss as where 
to go now!


Having googled around a bit I now believe that libkconfig4 is a KDE 
library?! I don't know if this makes any difference, but google comes up 
with compiz errors for that lib nothing on ubuntu-tweak!


any ideas

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tweak not working after upgrade from precise to quantal

[pete smout]

On 18/05/13 16:27, pete smout wrote:

On 12/05/13 09:31, pete smout wrote:

On 12/05/13 09:24, pete smout wrote:

Hi,

I am having a strange issue after upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, ubuntu
tweak wont start!
When I run from terminal (ubuntu-tweak -d) i get the following message:

(ubuntu-tweak:21744): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_error_trap_pop_internal:
assertion `trap != NULL' failed
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function func_wrapper at 0x9009d4c
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function _confirm_deps at 0x9009d84
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_find_object at 0x90234c4
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_scan_finished at 0x9023534
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_scan_error at 0x90235a4
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_plugin_object_cleaned at 0x90236f4
(debug.py:184)
compizconfig - Info: Backend : gsettings
compizconfig - Info: Integration : true
compizconfig - Info: Profile : unity
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

I have found https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tweak/+question/220799
which is the same but says to purge Gnome PPA (which I dont have in use)
so has anyone hear got any ideas?

Thanks in advance

Pete



Here is a link to a copy of my sources.list so you can see if any PPA's
are causing the issue
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80216532/sources.list
Thanks Again

Pete



Hi,
I have upgraded again to raring (13.04) (must say wow great job to the
devs!!) and purged ubuntu-tweak (sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-tweak) then
restarted and re installed it.

It still dont work but after a bit of searching through the kern.log i
found error:0 in libkconfig4.so, but synaptic cant find libkconfig4.so
to try installing / reinstalling it so I am at a bit of a loss as where
to go now!

Having googled around a bit I now believe that libkconfig4 is a KDE
library?! I don't know if this makes any difference, but google comes up
with compiz errors for that lib nothing on ubuntu-tweak!

any ideas

Pete



Hi again thought I'd let you have the complete line from the log!!

May 12 07:59:58 petes-lappy kernel: [ 4218.531873] ubuntu-tweak[12806] 
general protection ip:aae138b3 sp:ea46 error:0 in 
libkconfig4.so[aadfc000+1d000]


Hope it makes more sense to someone on here than it does to me!!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tweak not working after upgrade from precise to quantal

[pete smout]

On 18/05/13 16:58, A wrote:

On 18/05/13 16:35, pete smout wrote:

On 18/05/13 16:27, pete smout wrote:

On 12/05/13 09:31, pete smout wrote:

On 12/05/13 09:24, pete smout wrote:

Hi,

I am having a strange issue after upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, ubuntu
tweak wont start!
When I run from terminal (ubuntu-tweak -d) i get the following
message:

(ubuntu-tweak:21744): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_error_trap_pop_internal:
assertion `trap != NULL' failed
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function func_wrapper at 0x9009d4c
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function _confirm_deps at 0x9009d84
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_find_object at 0x90234c4
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_scan_finished at 0x9023534
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_scan_error at 0x90235a4
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_plugin_object_cleaned at
0x90236f4
(debug.py:184)
compizconfig - Info: Backend : gsettings
compizconfig - Info: Integration : true
compizconfig - Info: Profile : unity
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

I have found
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tweak/+question/220799
which is the same but says to purge Gnome PPA (which I dont have in
use)
so has anyone hear got any ideas?

Thanks in advance

Pete



Here is a link to a copy of my sources.list so you can see if any PPA's
are causing the issue
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80216532/sources.list
Thanks Again

Pete



Hi,
I have upgraded again to raring (13.04) (must say wow great job to the
devs!!) and purged ubuntu-tweak (sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-tweak) then
restarted and re installed it.

It still dont work but after a bit of searching through the kern.log i
found error:0 in libkconfig4.so, but synaptic cant find libkconfig4.so
to try installing / reinstalling it so I am at a bit of a loss as where
to go now!

Having googled around a bit I now believe that libkconfig4 is a KDE
library?! I don't know if this makes any difference, but google comes up
with compiz errors for that lib nothing on ubuntu-tweak!

any ideas

Pete



Hi again thought I'd let you have the complete line from the log!!

May 12 07:59:58 petes-lappy kernel: [ 4218.531873] ubuntu-tweak[12806]
general protection ip:aae138b3 sp:ea46 error:0 in
libkconfig4.so[aadfc000+1d000]

Hope it makes more sense to someone on here than it does to me!!

Pete



I think it's due to ubuntu-tweak having the ability to tweak compiz like
ccsm. There's a bug
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1041523) saying
that the kconfig backend is no longer supported, but it is still being
scanned for and this error comes up because of it.
Do you have a libkconfig.so (libkconfig4.so) at
/usr/lib/compizconfig/backends? Try deleting it or moving it to the
desktop and try again?




Hi,
Many thanks to A, That Fixed It, would never have worked that one out on 
my own (just hope it doesn't screw KDE up, but if it does ill put the 
lib back!)


Thanks again

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tweak not working after upgrade from precise to quantal

[pete smout]

On 12/05/13 09:24, pete smout wrote:

Hi,

I am having a strange issue after upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, ubuntu
tweak wont start!
When I run from terminal (ubuntu-tweak -d) i get the following message:

(ubuntu-tweak:21744): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_error_trap_pop_internal:
assertion `trap != NULL' failed
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function func_wrapper at 0x9009d4c (debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function _confirm_deps at 0x9009d84
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_find_object at 0x90234c4
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_scan_finished at 0x9023534
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_scan_error at 0x90235a4
(debug.py:184)
[gtk][DEBUG] function post_ui at 0x8cfeb1c: (debug.py:182)
[gtk][DEBUG]args-1: function on_plugin_object_cleaned at 0x90236f4
(debug.py:184)
compizconfig - Info: Backend : gsettings
compizconfig - Info: Integration : true
compizconfig - Info: Profile : unity
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

I have found https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tweak/+question/220799
which is the same but says to purge Gnome PPA (which I dont have in use)
so has anyone hear got any ideas?

Thanks in advance

Pete


Here is a link to a copy of my sources.list so you can see if any PPA's 
are causing the issue

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80216532/sources.list
Thanks Again

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tweak not working after upgrade from precise to quantal

[pete smout]

On 12/05/13 09:29, Simon Greenwood wrote:




On 12 May 2013 09:24, pete smout psmo...@live.com
mailto:psmo...@live.com wrote:

Hi,

I am having a strange issue after upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10,
ubuntu tweak wont start!


Daft question perhaps, but did you reinstall Ubuntu Tweak after the
upgrade?

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Hi, yes first thing I tried was update (tweak updated) the I 'completely 
removed' ubuntu tweak via synaptic and reinstalled having made sure the 
ppa http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu was set to quantal!


Still no joy

Thanks for the prompt reply

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tweak not working after upgrade from precise to quantal

[pete smout]

On 12/05/13 11:31, Colin Law wrote:

On 12 May 2013 09:35, pete smout psmo...@live.com wrote:

On 12/05/13 09:29, Simon Greenwood wrote:





On 12 May 2013 09:24, pete smout psmo...@live.com
mailto:psmo...@live.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I am having a strange issue after upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10,
 ubuntu tweak wont start!


Daft question perhaps, but did you reinstall Ubuntu Tweak after the
upgrade?

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Hi, yes first thing I tried was update (tweak updated) the I 'completely
removed' ubuntu tweak via synaptic and reinstalled having made sure the ppa
http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu was set to quantal!


What does
apt-cache policy ubuntu-tweak
show?  Copy/paste the complete output please.

Colin


Hi,

Here's my output:

pete@petes-lappy:~$ apt-cache policy ubuntu-tweak
ubuntu-tweak:
  Installed: 0.8.4-1~quantal1
  Candidate: 0.8.4-1~quantal1
  Version table:
 *** 0.8.4-1~quantal1 0
500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu/ quantal/main 
i386 Packages

100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 0.4.7.3-1~getdeb1 0
500 http://downloadue.info/repo/ quantal/all i386 Packages
pete@petes-lappy:~$

(thanks for that didn't know that command ;¬)

Hope it helps, ill google see if a later version is recommended

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tweak not working after upgrade from precise to quantal

[pete smout]

On 12/05/13 12:13, Colin Law wrote:

On 12 May 2013 11:40, pete smout psmo...@live.com wrote:

On 12/05/13 11:31, Colin Law wrote:


On 12 May 2013 09:35, pete smout psmo...@live.com wrote:


On 12/05/13 09:29, Simon Greenwood wrote:






On 12 May 2013 09:24, pete smout psmo...@live.com
mailto:psmo...@live.com wrote:

  Hi,

  I am having a strange issue after upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10,
  ubuntu tweak wont start!


Daft question perhaps, but did you reinstall Ubuntu Tweak after the
upgrade?

--
Twitter: @sfgreenwood
TBA are particularly glib



Hi, yes first thing I tried was update (tweak updated) the I 'completely
removed' ubuntu tweak via synaptic and reinstalled having made sure the
ppa
http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu was set to quantal!



What does
apt-cache policy ubuntu-tweak
show?  Copy/paste the complete output please.

Colin


Hi,

Here's my output:

pete@petes-lappy:~$ apt-cache policy ubuntu-tweak
ubuntu-tweak:
   Installed: 0.8.4-1~quantal1
   Candidate: 0.8.4-1~quantal1
   Version table:
  *** 0.8.4-1~quantal1 0
 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu/ quantal/main i386
Packages
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  0.4.7.3-1~getdeb1 0
 500 http://downloadue.info/repo/ quantal/all i386 Packages
pete@petes-lappy:~$


That looks ok, I presume you have tried
sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
to make sure everything else is up to date.

Other than that I don't know.  I have not got a 12.10 to check it on.
Perhaps you should just upgrade to 13.04 (which is more stable that
12.10 in my experience anyway).

Colin


Hi,

Thanks for the advise, that was my aim in the end, I am trying to see 
how many times a system can be updated (started out as 11-04!) can 
always reinstall!


Interestingly I have tried to install 12-- 3 times now fresh and each 
time wont boot after install, so I am half surprised it works at all!!
although I did get Xubuntu 12.04 on a £10-50 pc tower from gumtree ?? so 
I dont think it's an older hardware issue but might be now I have 
'learned to love' Unity!


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

[pete smout]

On 10/05/13 21:18, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hi,

I have installed Rythmbox and realised quickly why I do not use it.

I did mention of my preference for VLC. Well, Rythmbox has scoured my
hard drives for about two hours and found nothing. At this point. with
you stating that 2.99 is their final release and it does now seem to be
abandonware, if you stick with Rythmbox you will not get patches.

Regards,

Phill.


On 10 May 2013 20:28, Rowan Berkeley
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mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, like I said, I've got three machines, all set up identically
with vanilla 13.04 64-bit ISO from the same USB stick, and AFAICS it
only happens on one of them, which unfortunately is my favourite, an
old Lenovo N500 with a really comfortable touchpad. Rhythmbox cannot
play two albums in succession, even immediate succession, without
being closed and reopened.

I didn't acknowledge Phill's statement that he would let me know of
guidance for installing Rhythmbox 2.99 from the FTP package. But I
look forward to that. Thanks, Phill.

By the way, do you remember I mentioned the absence of the unread
mail indicator on the Thunderbird launcher? I reported it as a bug
on Launchpad.net and was immediately informed it had already been
reported, twice, and will be fixed.

On 10/05/13 20:11, Neil Greenwood wrote:


Top- posting because the rest of the thread is...

I have rhythmbox running fine in 13.04, with 6000+ tracks (not
sure how many albums). I've had it open since I booted, about 2
weeks ago. I suspend every night too. Plays fine, although I have
seen problems like those mentioned previously.

Neil.

On 10 May 2013 15:19, Phill Whiteside
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mailto:phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 I use gmail, so it all appears in the correct order to me. I
believe there is a seperate thread on the way email clients work.

 As Rhythmbox is searching my music collection, I don't want to
stress the computer out too much - It's using 100% of one of my
two CPU's.

 I'll have a look at what is needed for 2.99 and let you know.

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On 10 May 2013 15:08, Rowan Berkeley
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mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com
wrote:

 H'mm. I've also tried reinstalling from the repository, using
Synaptic, and it doesn't make any difference, and looking at it,
the thing in the repository is also 2.98. But if I was to download
2.99 from the FTP page you indicated, wouldn't I have to do all
the configuration manually? That would be totally beyond me. By
the way, we shouldn't be top posting like this. It forces people
to read the conversation from bottom to top as well as from top to
bottom.


 On 10/05/13 14:44, Phill Whiteside wrote:

 13.04 has installed 2.98 have a check on 'help -- about

 Regards,

 Phill


 On 10 May 2013 14:42, Rowan Berkeley
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mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com
wrote:

 According to that ftp page, 2.99 was the last version they
made before they stopped, evidently imagining it was as perfect as
it could ever be. I assume that's what I've got, because I assume
that's what's delivered in the complete Ubuntu 13.04 64-bit ISO,
which is what I have installed.


 On 10/05/13 14:21, Phill Whiteside wrote:

 Just while I install it and vlc, it is time to ask the usual
silly question... So do forgive me!

 Have you got the latest version from
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/rhythmbox/

 I'm a VLC fan, but have had rhythmbox running well in the
past with a large library.

 Regards,

 Phill.
 P.S. this is a clean 13.04 lubuntu install, so I need to
'add' things to it :)

 On 10 May 2013 14:07, Rowan Berkeley
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wrote:

 On 10/05/13 13:55, Alan Pope wrote:

 On 10/05/13 13:33, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

 I find that in 13.04 (though not as far as I can recall,
previously), it
 is impossible to leave Rhythmbox running after use, ie
for instance
 having played an album to leave it running and an hour
later to try to
 play another one. It goes berzerk. Most usually it will
skip through
 tracks at great speed,


 That sounds like your media is on a mounted / removable
device which has since gone away / been unmounted? The skipping
through tracks is often when it says ok, what track is next, lets
play it, oh, it's gone, ok, next track..  etc.

 Cheers,

 I don't mean it looks for them one after another in rapid
succession and doesn't find them; I mean it literally skips
through each track, jumping e.g. thirty seconds at a time. But

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

[pete smout]

On 09/05/13 10:51, Tyler J. Wagner wrote:

On 2013-05-09 10:39, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

I find it very interesting that nearly four years ago, when I bought my
Toshiba Netbook with Ubuntu Remix from Dixons, they were selling like hot
cakes, far better than the equivalent Windows machines.
Then suddenly, overnight, they disappeared. Now what retailer would remove
a best-selling line instantly like that, /unless /there was some sort of
external pressure to do so? ;-(


Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately
explained by stupidity.

Regards,
Tyler

Perhaps it was the inability of the staff to provide effective support, 
I would suggest that the earlier offer of training made by Victor is the 
way forward, but this must come down from 'on high' as many of the store 
based 'managers' seem to lack the confidence / ability to make a 
decision for the benefit of their customers. Perhaps now that LINUX is 
becoming more 'mainstream' now is the time to apply pressure to the top 
of such monolithic organizations.


Note I have found my local 1 man band PC supplies store to be far more 
helpful, and if he does not know he takes my number and does some 
research and gets back to me (good 'ole customer service is not dead!).
I hope to build a good enough relationship with him that we can get a 
small rack of Ubuntu install cd's in his shop soon! (I have convinced 
him to try it on his old(er) laptop rather than throw it away as it wont 
run WIN 8! this conversation only happened last week!


I will keep this list posted on any progress I make.

Regards

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

[pete smout]

On 09/05/13 13:00, Paul Sutton wrote:

On 09/05/13 11:09, pete smout wrote:

On 09/05/13 10:51, Tyler J. Wagner wrote:

On 2013-05-09 10:39, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

I find it very interesting that nearly four years ago, when I bought my
Toshiba Netbook with Ubuntu Remix from Dixons, they were selling
like hot
cakes, far better than the equivalent Windows machines.
Then suddenly, overnight, they disappeared. Now what retailer would
remove
a best-selling line instantly like that, /unless /there was some
sort of
external pressure to do so? ;-(


Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately
explained by stupidity.

Regards,
Tyler


Perhaps it was the inability of the staff to provide effective
support, I would suggest that the earlier offer of training made by
Victor is the way forward, but this must come down from 'on high' as
many of the store based 'managers' seem to lack the confidence /
ability to make a decision for the benefit of their customers. Perhaps
now that LINUX is becoming more 'mainstream' now is the time to apply
pressure to the top of such monolithic organizations.

Note I have found my local 1 man band PC supplies store to be far more
helpful, and if he does not know he takes my number and does some
research and gets back to me (good 'ole customer service is not dead!).
I hope to build a good enough relationship with him that we can get a
small rack of Ubuntu install cd's in his shop soon! (I have convinced
him to try it on his old(er) laptop rather than throw it away as it
wont run WIN 8! this conversation only happened last week!

I will keep this list posted on any progress I make.

Regards

Pete




Maybe we can include a few user group fliers in there too, so people at
least have some way of getting help / support if they need it,  maybe
invite him to join the lug,  as for cd's maybe also include some Lubuntu
cd's , debian cd's  or other cd's (maybe the lug can help put some
together),  perhaps the shop owner could help by providing a pc + Linux,
but include a built in sd card writer and a raspberry pi image,  so new
pi users can get help flashing the sd card.

Where are you based,  maybe the lug can do some sort of Linux demo event
or something ast the shop,  a bit like the Ubuntu hours but if we call
it GNU/Linux hour instead is less distro centric.

Taking on the big boys is a big job,  helping the smaller shops expand
what they offer may be the way forward.  and it helps local small shops
which the high street needs too.

If a small store offers something unique then it helps them generate new
customer interest.

Just a few thoughts.

Paul



Hi,

All are valid ideas, I admit to being Ubuntu centric, although Lubuntu 
and Debian are also valid ideas, the guy concerned has taken 'my advise' 
and d-loaded ubuntu and installed it to see for him self (he admitted to 
'not having considered LINUX in at least 10 years'. I will pop in on 
Saturday and see how he is getting on, and discuss the ideas mentioned 
above, he was already aware of the Raspberry Pi project, and was doing 
his own research on that before I spoke to him.


I am based in Southampton, the shop is in the Woolston area of the city 
(Bridge Computers), which is not the 'richest' area of town and a 
lo-cost solution I think would be of interest to his 'passing trade'.
I will certainly mention the Hants. LUG (I have found their support both 
useful and fascinating).


Having said all of that he remains a business and as such is there to 
make money, convincing him to supply things F.O.C might be harder than 
we think! I felt that if I could convince *him* of the viability of 
modern LINUX distros then half the battle would be won!


Maybe if other LINUX users in the area popped in and asked all the right 
questions he might be persuaded that offering LINUX support could be his 
USP and generate further business from outside of his local area! Maybe 
even the South-Coast's goto place for LINUX. he might consider it a 
small price to 'give things away'!


If anyone needs further info please contact me off list for directions etc.

Regards

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

[pete smout]

On 09/05/13 13:35, Barry Drake wrote:

On 09/05/13 13:00, Paul Sutton wrote:

Taking on the big boys is a big job, helping the smaller shops expand
what they offer may be the way forward. and it helps local small shops
which the high street needs too. If a small store offers something
unique then it helps them generate new customer interest. Just a few
thoughts. Paul


A problem here is that there is no way any of the small shops can
compete on price with the big boys.  And as we know, the big boys are
driven by Microsoft to an unfair degree.


All true but speaking personally I would rather pay a *few* quid more 
for good knowledgeable service than save a fiver and get zero support!

But that's just me!

Four years or so ago, I bought a Dell netbook with Ubuntu
pre-installed.  I went in to our local Dixons at that time asking about
purchasing from them but was told We no longer stock it - they all came
back.  I imagine they 'all came back' because of lack of
staff-training.  OTOH the price of these netbooks from Dixons had been
really keen.  No independent retailer could possibly have got near it!

Regards,Barry.


Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

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On 09/05/13 18:46, Gareth France wrote:

On 09/05/13 18:38, William Anderson wrote:

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Gareth France
gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote:

I thought I would just bring the experiences I'm having with Packard
Bell /
Acer to everyone's attention. I've been unhappy with my laptop since
the day
I got it and it seems to be falling apart very rapidly. I have been
trying
to get it looked at but it's like pulling teeth!

Oddly enough linux hasn't been the biggest stumbling block. Anyway, if
anyone fancies a giggle the entire conversation with them is logged
on my
blog page:

http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=209

After reading this, it looks like you've had a fairly typical
experience: you've engaged outsourced frontline support for a low-tier
electronics manufacturer, and you've wandered outside the bounds of
their scripts.  When dealing with a box shifter like Packard Bell, the
easiest way to get a result is conform as much as possible to their
requests and get the machine shipped off as soon as possible
(preferably covered by a home and contents or business asset policy).
If you can send it back with a relatively stock OS install, even
better.

And I'm afraid I agree with Liam here.  If the data on the laptop (one
which you readily admit is junk) is of any material importance to
you or your business, get it backed up by whatever means necessary.  I
personally use a mixture of rsnapshot (for my Ubuntu servers) and Time
Machine (for my Mac desktops/laptops) to give me a comprehensive layer
of recoverable backup data.  If you're unable to invest in a hard disc
to drop data onto, have you considered a bunch of DVD-Rs?  Or perhaps
you'd be able to temporarily borrow a USB HDD, or USB-SATA adapter and
a regular 2.5/3.5 drive, from a fellow IT type?  Perhaps someone on
list has some spare kit they could punt your way?

Also, you're concerned about retaining your data to run your business
- how will you access the data if the laptop is gone?  If you're
planning to use the Dell you mentioned, do you literally have 500GiB
used on your Packard Bell?  If it's all in $HOME, do a du -sch ~ - if
the answer is  free capacity of Dell computer, sorted!  If not, see
borrowing tips above!

Re: the phone number, just search for Acer on saynoto0870.com - there
are several hits which match or closely match the number you mentioned
in your blog post.

I think you're unnecessarily making a rod for your own back here when
some creative thinking could help you.  Rather than asking us to
giggle at a bunch of hapless support monkeys being forced outside of
the scope of their limited frontline support capabilities, ask the
community to help you out! :)

-n


I'll be using a desktop for the duration the machine is away. I have
been looking at incremental backup solutions. What I'd like to do is
setup a system where it connects to an FTP server and only backs up the
data that has changed since last backup. Something I would trigger
rather than scheduled as I'm on mobile broadband and would need to do
backups whenever I was near a proper broadband connection. I've found
quite a few solutions which 'sort of' do this as I'd like but most don't
cut it and some simply refused to connect to my server. Do you have any
suggestions which may help?


Script it (simple google search will help if you dont know how!) ignore 
the bit about cron- that will automate, just click the file to execute 
when connected by b/b



Bad customer service is something which really winds me up and you have
hit the nail on the head there. This is the customer service equivalent
of painting by numbers. The collection has been arranged now and fingers
crossed they will fix it. I know that my laptops always take quite a
pounding but I can only think of one other which faired this badly, made
by a company called Hi-Grade. I really don't expect a machine to be
virging on unusable after only 8 months, regardless of how cheap it is.



I know what you mean but as with most things these days it's all run at 
the 'lowest common denominator' which does mean some compromise on your 
part :)


Pete



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Saucy Salamander testing ....

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On 08/05/13 21:33, Liam Proven wrote:

On 8 May 2013 21:14, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote:

On 08/05/13 16:35, Liam Proven wrote:


Possible idea: create a new account from the CLI, log in to it - default
settings might work where the existing ones don't - and see if the theme can
be reset from there? Or, if it's a sacrificial account, experimentally nuke
the GNOME settings in the home directory? (Temporarily move 'em elsewhere to
see if they are causing the problem.)



Thanks for the suggestions.  They did not work.   The new account and the
guest account behave in the same way.  I'll take the updates for a few days
and if that fails, re-install from the daily build in a week or so - it's
easy to waste more time than a simple re-install will take.


Sorry to hear they didn't help. Your plan sounds good, though. Let us
know how you get on?

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Hi,

I had a similar issue after upgrade to 12.04 (I know it's not your 
problem!), to fix it I moved my .local folder from my home and put in 
Documents. Then reboot,  put things back 1 bit at a time, turned out it 
was the icon folder causing the prob for me (dunno how?!).


Might be worth a try before complete re-install!!

Reagards

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux in space ....

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On 07/05/13 15:51, Tony Scott wrote:

But it is Debian, which, of course, Ubuntu is built upon!

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On 7 May 2013 15:46, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote:

I really love this article:
http://www.zdnet.com/to-the-space-station-and-beyond-with-linux-714958/?s_cid=e552ttag=e552
A pity it isn't Ubuntu, but it is yet another minus one for Windows.

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true and lets not forget the reasons Ubuntu is built upon Debian, proven 
reliability and stability, not to mention the thousands of free software 
applications from a (usually) secure repository.


Back to the article and the comments from people underneath, oh how MS 
users jump to the defence of a company which is there to cost them money 
and will rush out products before they are ready (ME, Vista etc) and 
still take the cash.


just my 2 pence

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unwanted kernels

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On 04/05/13 17:01, A wrote:

On 04/05/13 15:53, Tony Pursell wrote:

Hi All

Has anyone got any advice or tips on how to safely rid oneself of
unwanted kernel.  I thought this was an issue that had been solved but
I'm still left with 5 ver 2.6 and 8 ver 3.0 kernels despite having
upgraded to Raring.  I don't mind keeping the latest 3.8 kernel and
the 3.5 before that and the 3.2 before that.

Tony



I normally fire up synaptic (synaptic package manager) and do a search
in the 'installed' section for 'linux-' and then remove what i don't
want. You could also search by version numbers. Make sure to pull out
the 'headers' and 'image' type packages - possibly 'image-extra' for
that version too. There are of course other ways of going about it. Just
as an added reminder: You can always check what version you're running
with the 'uname -a' command, or use'sudo update-grub2' to see a list of
all the installed kernel versions.



Hi,
I always use Ubuntu Tweak http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ or apt-get autoremove

just my 00.05c

Pete



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] native resolutions

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On 24/04/13 10:19, Tyler J. Wagner wrote:

On 2013-04-24 09:11, pete smout wrote:

Thanks to Tyler for pointing me in the right direction, SOLVED it
Thanks again
(and sorry for replying to you direct Tyler, my messages dont always reach
ubuntu users for some reason)


I'm glad I could help, Pete. Could you tell us how you solved it, for the
benefit of others?

Regards,
Tyler


Hi,
Gladly.. following the link Tyler gave me 
http://www.tolaris.com/2009/04/14/enabling-1080p-video-on-the-shuttle-x27d-htpc/ 

I first using the 'gtf' command found the modelines for my desired 
resoultion (1366x768) (copied  pasted into text doc for later 
ref.).Then I added my xrog.conf from my Lucid disc with the added line 
virtual 1366x768 as shown in the link.
Then using xrandr I added newmode (xrandr --newmode Modeline) then 
assigned it to VGA1 the output I am using, using xrandr again (xrandr 
--addmode VGA1 resolutionrefresh from modeline, then I was able to 
switch to the correct resolution from the 'Displays' menu in the top 
right of the screen.


I then tried to make the changes permanent and failed dismally  
completely screwed up and lost 'lightdm' (how I don't know but it 
happened), recovered this unfortunate situation from the shell (couldn't 
login graphically!) by sudo apt-get install gdm, set gdm as default 
display manager when prompted. This gave me access to my GUI and I then 
googled the problem with lightdm and came accross this command sudo 
apt-get install --reinstall fmu lightdm this sorted the login issue 
(back with lightdm).


Then having completely had enough I decided to put the 2 lines of script 
in a text file (xrandr --addmode MODELINE)(xrandr --newmode 
resolution_refreshrate) and make this file executable via the 
properties menu in nautilus. You can view this at

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80216532/TVBashScript
(DISCLAIMER although I posted this to help point anyone in the right 
direction the settings are for my system, and unlikely to work on 
someone elses)


Now whenever I plug the laptop into the TV I have to run that script / 
text file (sat on my desktop) and then select the resolution via the 
displays menu (top right).


When I am in a better frame of mind I will look at editing xorg.conf and 
making the changes automatic but for now I am just happy to be able to 
watch my favourite TV series' with no ads in them!


Please note this is my experience and the lightdm issue may well have 
been a coincidence (I cannot see how editing xorg.conf would bork 
lightdm) but it was the only change made when rebooting the machine!


Hope this helps someone in the future, Thanks again to Tyler for his post.

Regards

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] native resolutions

[pete smout]

On 24/04/13 11:02, Tyler J. Wagner wrote:

On 2013-04-24 10:58, pete smout wrote:

Then having completely had enough I decided to put the 2 lines of script in
a text file (xrandr --addmode MODELINE)(xrandr --newmode
resolution_refreshrate) and make this file executable via the properties
menu in nautilus. You can view this at
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80216532/TVBashScript
(DISCLAIMER although I posted this to help point anyone in the right
direction the settings are for my system, and unlikely to work on someone
elses)


Consider calling that script from ~/.xsessionrc, and you'll have it every
time you login.



Thanks for the idea hadn't thought of that will try it later!


Please note this is my experience and the lightdm issue may well have been
a coincidence (I cannot see how editing xorg.conf would bork lightdm) but
it was the only change made when rebooting the machine!


Changes in xorg.conf are applied BEFORE lightdm starts. Changes you run
with xrandr in a desktop are applied AFTER you've logged in. That's how it
can bork it. But it was odd.

Arrrgh That explains it, thanks for info will bear it in mind for future 
reference.



Regards,
Tyler


Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] native resolutions

[pete smout]

On 21/04/13 00:46, Tyler J. Wagner wrote:

Sounds similar to a problem I had with my TV. It's EDID incorrectly lists
only one mode (1280x720 50 Hz), but it supports up to 1920x1080 at a
variety of refresh rates. I verified this by dumping the EDID and checking it.

I wrote up my experience here:

http://www.tolaris.com/2009/04/14/enabling-1080p-video-on-the-shuttle-x27d-htpc/

However, this may not be your problem. For one, I no longer have this issue
on precise or quantal. The display defaulted to 1280x720 but I was able to
use the Displays application to set it to the higher resolution by
selecting it from the pull-down menu.

If it does apply to you, I hope the post helps. You can at least check your
EDID data or force a mode in various ways.

Regards,
Tyler

On 2013-04-20 17:34, pete smout wrote:

  Hi,

I have been trying without success to get my ubuntu precise (upgraded from
oneric) to accept the same resolution on my tv as 10.04 (Lucid) did. (I
still have lucid on a spare hdd so I can check settings).

The Problem:
TV (when connected via VGA (Out on laptop)- VGA (PC input)on TV)
On Lucid resolution was 1360 x 768 (16:9) 60hz. which worked perfectly well
(with virtually zero input from me).
On Precise i get 1024 x 768 (6:9) 60hz. Which means that I have an ugly
2inch gap down the left of the screen, and the bottom couple of inches
below the edge of the physical screen. (I hope this makes sense)

This confusing problem led me on a google-thon and I have got this far.

The Output from xandr in terminal with TV connected:

pete@petes-lappy:~$ xrandr

Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192

LVDS1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)

1280x800   60.0 +

1024x768   60.0

800x60060.3 56.2

640x48059.9

VGA1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm
x 0mm

1024x768   60.0*

800x60060.3 56.2

848x48060.0

640x48059.9

TV1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)


As you can see 1360 x 768 (or anything close is *not* an option) so I am
left trying to devise a way of getting it!

i have run gtf in terminal and get the following:

pete@petes-lappy:~$ gtf 1360 768 60

   # 1360x768 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 47.70 kHz; pclk: 84.72 MHz

   Modeline 1360x768_60.00  84.72  1360 1424 1568 1776  768 769 772 795
-HSync +Vsync


Which gave me the idea of constructing a script to create the modeline
(which if necessary I can run every time I plug the TV in)

The script I devised:

#This line adds modeline from output of gtf command

# 1368x768 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 47.70 kHz; pclk: 85.86 MHz

xrandr --VGA1 1368x768_60.00  85.86  1368 1440 1584 1800  768 769 772
795  -HSync +Vsync

#This line adds the mode as it is not default

xrandr --addmode VGA1 1368x768_60

#This line sets resolution on VGA1

xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1368x768_60

Returns the following error:

pete@petes-lappy:~$ /home/pete/Desktop/tv.bash



Snip


Hi,

After more research I have stumbled across this command

sudo lshw -C display; lsb_release -a; uname -a

which gives me the make and model of the Graphics Card (controller).

pete@petes-lappy:~$ sudo lshw -C display; lsb_release -a; uname -a
[sudo] password for pete:
  *-display:0
   description: VGA compatible controller
   product: Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary)
   vendor: Intel Corporation
   physical id: 2
   bus info: pci@:00:02.0
   version: 03
   width: 64 bits
   clock: 33MHz
   capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
   configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
   resources: irq:45 memory:d400-d40f 
memory:c000-cfff ioport:5110(size=8)

  *-display:1 UNCLAIMED
   description: Display controller
   product: Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller 
(secondary)

   vendor: Intel Corporation
   physical id: 2.1
   bus info: pci@:00:02.1
   version: 03
   width: 64 bits
   clock: 33MHz
   capabilities: pm cap_list
   configuration: latency=0
   resources: memory:d850-d85f
LSB Version: 
core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-ia32:core-4.0-noarch

Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description:Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS
Release:12.04
Codename:   precise
Linux petes-lappy 3.2.0-41-generic #65-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 10 18:23:37 
UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

pete@petes-lappy:~$


I dont know if this throws any light on the problem for anyone else? It 
doesn't help me as I know that Lucid recognized the correct resolution 
and aspect ratio after booting the laptop with the TV connected ONCE and 
it remembered forever! So to my (admittedly ignorant) mind 12.04 
*should* do the same. It cannot be the graphics card or the TV as they 
are the same as I was using

Re: [ubuntu-uk] native resolutions

[pete smout]

On 20/04/13 17:34, pete smout wrote:

  Hi,

I have been trying without success to get my ubuntu precise (upgraded
from oneric) to accept the same resolution on my tv as 10.04 (Lucid)
did. (I still have lucid on a spare hdd so I can check settings).

The Problem:
TV (when connected via VGA (Out on laptop)- VGA (PC input)on TV)
On Lucid resolution was 1360 x 768 (16:9) 60hz. which worked perfectly
well (with virtually zero input from me).
On Precise i get 1024 x 768 (6:9) 60hz. Which means that I have an ugly
2inch gap down the left of the screen, and the bottom couple of inches
below the edge of the physical screen. (I hope this makes sense)

This confusing problem led me on a google-thon and I have got this far.

The Output from xandr in terminal with TV connected:

pete@petes-lappy:~$ xrandr

Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192

LVDS1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)

1280x800   60.0 +

1024x768   60.0

800x60060.3 56.2

640x48059.9

VGA1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
0mm x 0mm

1024x768   60.0*

800x60060.3 56.2

848x48060.0

640x48059.9

TV1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)


As you can see 1360 x 768 (or anything close is *not* an option) so I am
left trying to devise a way of getting it!

i have run gtf in terminal and get the following:

pete@petes-lappy:~$ gtf 1360 768 60

   # 1360x768 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 47.70 kHz; pclk: 84.72 MHz

   Modeline 1360x768_60.00  84.72  1360 1424 1568 1776  768 769 772
795  -HSync +Vsync


Which gave me the idea of constructing a script to create the modeline
(which if necessary I can run every time I plug the TV in)

The script I devised:

#This line adds modeline from output of gtf command

# 1368x768 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 47.70 kHz; pclk: 85.86 MHz

xrandr --VGA1 1368x768_60.00  85.86  1368 1440 1584 1800  768 769 772
795  -HSync +Vsync

#This line adds the mode as it is not default

xrandr --addmode VGA1 1368x768_60

#This line sets resolution on VGA1

xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1368x768_60

Returns the following error:

pete@petes-lappy:~$ /home/pete/Desktop/tv.bash

usage: xrandr [options]

   where options are:

   -display display or -d display

   -help

   -o normal,inverted,left,right,0,1,2,3

 or --orientation normal,inverted,left,right,0,1,2,3

   -qor --query

   -s size/widthxheight or --size size/widthxheight

   -r rate or --rate rate or --refresh rate

   -vor --version

   -x(reflect in x)

   -y(reflect in y)

   --screen screen

   --verbose

   --current

   --dryrun

   --nograb

   --prop or --properties

   --fb widthxheight

   --fbmm widthxheight

   --dpi dpi/output

   --output output

   --auto

   --mode mode

   --preferred

   --pos xxy

   --rate rate or --refresh rate

   --reflect normal,x,y,xy

   --rotate normal,inverted,left,right

   --left-of output

   --right-of output

   --above output

   --below output

   --same-as output

   --set property value

   --scale xxy

   --transform a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i

   --off

   --crtc crtc

   --panning
wxh[+x+y[/track:wxh+x+y[/border:l/t/r/b]]]

   --gamma r:g:b

   --primary

   --noprimary

   --newmode name clock MHz

 hdisp hsync-start hsync-end htotal

 vdisp vsync-start vsync-end vtotal

 [+HSync] [-HSync] [+VSync] [-VSync]

   --rmmode name

   --addmode output name

   --delmode output name

xrandr: cannot find mode 1360x768_60

xrandr: cannot find mode 1360x768_60


If any one can tell me where I am going wrong (or an easier way of going
about it) please let me know!!


Regards

Pete Smout



Hi,
More info if it helps

Laptop Acer Aspire 5720 3GB RAM
TV Panasonic Viera TX-L26X10 26in LCD TV



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Software for a 6 year old

[pete smout]

On 26/08/12 18:17, paul sutton wrote:

On 26/08/12 17:28, Bruno Girin wrote:

Hi all,

18 months ago, I installed Ubuntu on a netbook for a friend's daughter.
Now that she's nearly 6, she still loves the netbook and wants an
upgrade with more interesting games on it. At the moment, the netbook is
running 10.10 for netbooks (Unity interface) with gcompris, TuxMath,
TuxTyping, TuxPaint and a couple other things.

I was planning to upgrade to 12.04 and install Scratch and TurtleArt.
Other than that, I would welcome any suggestion of fun software for a 6
year old.

Cheers,

Bruno


There is powdertoy, which is a physics type simulator, It may sound more
suitable for older kids but these days children can really surprise
adults so to me its simply worth installing to have a go.  Its kinda fun
however exploring different materials etc.

sure the tux games are also good, how about things like pingus,  wormux
(or whever that is called now) ,  games like mahjongg and shisen and
other puzzle games may be good too,   I am sure there is a suduku game
out there too,

other than that there are lots of general games out there,  I am playing
0AD which is an RTS game,  in alpha but it works really well.

look at software centre under games there seems to be lots of puzzle
type games out there,

i guess there is always nethack,  :) for the true geek experience.

There doesn't seem to be that many games aimed directly at girls,   one
of the reasons we need more female programmers I guess.

Paul





Hi,
On the subject of programmers how about 'KTurtle' or Squeak programming 
for kids, get 'em started young..I wish I had!


regards,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Software for a 6 year old

[pete smout]

On 27/08/12 17:34, pete smout wrote:

On 26/08/12 18:17, paul sutton wrote:

On 26/08/12 17:28, Bruno Girin wrote:

Hi all,

18 months ago, I installed Ubuntu on a netbook for a friend's daughter.
Now that she's nearly 6, she still loves the netbook and wants an
upgrade with more interesting games on it. At the moment, the netbook is
running 10.10 for netbooks (Unity interface) with gcompris, TuxMath,
TuxTyping, TuxPaint and a couple other things.

I was planning to upgrade to 12.04 and install Scratch and TurtleArt.
Other than that, I would welcome any suggestion of fun software for a 6
year old.

Cheers,

Bruno


There is powdertoy, which is a physics type simulator, It may sound more
suitable for older kids but these days children can really surprise
adults so to me its simply worth installing to have a go.  Its kinda fun
however exploring different materials etc.

sure the tux games are also good, how about things like pingus,  wormux
(or whever that is called now) ,  games like mahjongg and shisen and
other puzzle games may be good too,   I am sure there is a suduku game
out there too,

other than that there are lots of general games out there,  I am playing
0AD which is an RTS game,  in alpha but it works really well.

look at software centre under games there seems to be lots of puzzle
type games out there,

i guess there is always nethack,  :) for the true geek experience.

There doesn't seem to be that many games aimed directly at girls,   one
of the reasons we need more female programmers I guess.

Paul





Hi,
On the subject of programmers how about 'KTurtle' or Squeak programming
for kids, get 'em started young..I wish I had!

regards,

Pete



Also.Etoys


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[ubuntu-uk] using laptop (11.10) thru tv (VGA)

[pete smout]

Hi all,

I'm using ubuntu 11.10 (12.04 won't install on it!) when I plug it into 
my tv via VGA out on laptop to the VGA input on my tv the resolution is 
all wrong and no matter what I try I can't put it right!


with the laptop screen turned off (fn F6 on my laptop) the desktop 
appears on the tv, with a 2 inch (ish) gap down the left hand side of 
the screen and the bottom of the desktop missing off the screen. I open 
the system settings / displays to change resolution and the correct 
resolution is not listed.


On Lucid I had to boot the laptop whilst plugged into the TV the first 
time to get it to 'register' the tv's settings so I tried the same on 
11.10 with no joy!


I have copied the xorg.conf file from lucid into 11.10 (there was not 
one there already) this has made no difference has xorg been replaced?


the only resolution that shows the whole desktop on the tv is 800*600 
not ideal on a HD tv (wide screen) this is not wide screen, old 4.3 format


Any one got any ideas?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] embarrassing mouse issue

[pete smout]

On 18/06/12 12:41, Liam Proven wrote:

On 17 June 2012 14:15, pete smoutpsmo...@live.com  wrote:

snip


Plug in wired alternatives. Install, *update it* and *then* see if the
wireless ones still don't work.


Hi

Yep I have installed the system now and everything else worked 'out of 
the box' except the mouse after much google-ing and searching that mouse 
'SONY VGP-WMS3' has been flagged as non-compatible since 8-04 and 
despite a now very old bug the issue does not appear to have been resolved.


However ASDA sell a cheap USB wireless mouse (£3.99) which does work 
fine and my step dad is quite happy to use that, but it does seem a pity 
that the matching one that came with his machine does not.


To pass on his compliments to all of the devs and testers, in his words 
'why would anyone buy windows when something this good is available for 
free'! He even loves Unity coming as a total *buntu virgin! He is so 
chuffed he even muttered something about making a contribution 
financially to the ubuntu website!
So all told another great success for Ubuntu! and one less MS mug in the 
world!



Regards

Pete


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[ubuntu-uk] embarrassing mouse issue

[pete smout]

Hi,

After years of trying to persuade my step dad to use ubuntu instead of 
windows he has finally agreed to let me install it alongside win7!


But his mouse is not recognised on the live cd.

the machine is a sony viao VGC-LV1S pc (all in the screen) with an 
internal sensor for a wireless keyboard and mouse (not USB) and the 
keyboard works fine but not the mouse.


from the live cd I have tried lsusb to see if the mouse appears but it 
does not (nor does the keyboard which is what makes me think it isn't USB)


After that I am out of ideas any suggestions?

Regards

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] embarrassing mouse issue

[pete smout]

On 17/06/12 14:43, J Fernyhough wrote:

On 17 June 2012 14:31, J Fernyhoughj.fernyho...@gmail.com  wrote:

On 17 June 2012 14:15, pete smoutpsmo...@live.com  wrote:

Hi,

After years of trying to persuade my step dad to use ubuntu instead of
windows he has finally agreed to let me install it alongside win7!

But his mouse is not recognised on the live cd.

the machine is a sony viao VGC-LV1S pc (all in the screen) with an internal
sensor for a wireless keyboard and mouse (not USB) and the keyboard works
fine but not the mouse.

from the live cd I have tried lsusb to see if the mouse appears but it does
not (nor does the keyboard which is what makes me think it isn't USB)

After that I am out of ideas any suggestions?

Regards

Pete



Without doing any research my first thought is: is bluetooth turned
on? I have a suspicion the keyboard and mouse may well be bluetooth
peripherals. If so you will also have to set them up (pair them) as
devices within Ubuntu.

Jonathon


Ignore everything about bluetooth. It's not that.

Have you tried to re-pair the keyboard and mouse by using the CONNECT
button on the back of the machine and on each device? I take it that
the mouse is turned on and the batteries aren't dead?

Jonathon


Hi,
Yes the batteries are ok mouse is switched on (even switched off and on 
again!) on win7 the keyboard and mouse work fine and on Ubuntu the 
keyboard works but not the mouse? I have never come across this before 
and having been singing Ubuntu's praises for about three years and how 
everything just works this is a bit embarrassing!


Not sure if the mouse is bluetooth or Infra-red or what! but if the 
keyboard works why doesn't the mouse?


Regards

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] embarrassing mouse issue

[pete smout]

On 17/06/12 15:14, Paul Sladen wrote:

On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, pete smout wrote:

the machine is a sony viao VGC-LV1S pc (all in the screen) with an
internal sensor for a wireless keyboard and mouse (not USB) and the
keyboard works fine but not the mouse.


Does the mouse say 'VGP-WMS3' on it as the model number?


-Paul



Hi Paul

Yep thats it!


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[ubuntu-uk] Very cheap webcam

[pete smout]

Hi all,

I have just purchased a very cheap webcam (£1.00), and I cannot get 
*buntu to recognise it?!


The only details I have are:

PNP (plug and Play)
CMOS colour sensors  ?  
24 bit true colour video mode
USB interface


System Requirements
Pentium 200, or higher CPU
win 98SE - XP

My Machine (s)
Ideally It would be used with the laptop so I will give that ones specs!



running Oneric (11.10)
Kernel 3.0.0-20-generic
Gnome 3.2.1
Dual core Intel Core duo T5250
3gb ram

Trying to use cheese but have got Kamoso installed and open to suggestions!

I have a driver on disk for Windows but cannot get any joy with wine or 
Mono-runtime


Any Ideas gratefully received

Regards

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Very cheap webcam

[pete smout]

On 30/05/12 17:59, Simon Greenwood wrote:



On 30 May 2012 17:56, pete smout psmo...@live.com
mailto:psmo...@live.com wrote:

Hi all,

I have just purchased a very cheap webcam (£1.00), and I cannot get
*buntu to recognise it?!

The only details I have are:

PNP (plug and Play)
CMOS colour sensors  ?
24 bit true colour video mode
USB interface


System Requirements
Pentium 200, or higher CPU
win 98SE - XP

My Machine (s)
Ideally It would be used with the laptop so I will give that ones specs!



running Oneric (11.10)
Kernel 3.0.0-20-generic
Gnome 3.2.1
Dual core Intel Core duo T5250
3gb ram

Trying to use cheese but have got Kamoso installed and open to
suggestions!

I have a driver on disk for Windows but cannot get any joy with wine
or Mono-runtime

Any Ideas gratefully received


Grep for it in dmesg, you should at least be able to get a
manufacturer's name if it's connecting.

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Hi,

I hope this makes more sense to you than it does me!

pete@petes-lappy:/var/log$ grep usb dmesg
[0.394321] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
[0.394339] usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
[0.394388] usbcore: registered new device driver usb
[1.070556] usb usb7: hash matches
[1.604097] usb 3-1: new low speed USB device number 2 using uhci_hcd
[2.016067] usb 5-1: new full speed USB device number 2 using uhci_hcd
[2.298272] input: SONiX USB Device as 
/devices/pci:00/:00:1a.0/usb3/3-1/3-1:1.0/input/input5
[2.298444] generic-usb 0003:0C45:7428.0001: input,hidraw0: USB HID 
v1.00 Mouse [SONiX USB Device] on usb-:00:1a.0-1/input0

[2.298471] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid
[2.298474] usbhid: USB HID core driver
pete@petes-lappy:/var/log$

The web cam was the only thing plugged in to usb at the time of running...

regards

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Multiple soundcards

[Pete Smout]

On 19/05/12 08:42, Alan Pope wrote:

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On 19/05/12 08:02, Dave Hanson wrote:

Is it possible to trick Ubuntu into thinking it has two sound cards
so I can use one for the main channel and one for the monitor
channel but both would really be output on my USB headphones?



This may be possible with 'jack', but I haven't used it in anger for
some time.

Cheers,
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Canonical - Product Strategy
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Hi,
I also use Mixx and thought I had to spent a fortune on a new sound card 
until I found a USB sound card such as these 
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=encp=6gs_id=4jxhr=tq=usb+sound+cardum=1ie=UTF-8tbo=utbm=shopsource=ogsa=Ntab=wfei=tw65T-3jEKbI0QXvi9DiBwbav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osbfp=557c6bcbc8cd691cbiw=1280bih=601
for very little outlay the on-line user guide to Mixx talks you through 
configuration (very simple really). Mine cost £3.00 and works 
brilliantly (only limited by my talent)


Have fun

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wireless inkjet printer?

[Pete Smout]

On 10/05/12 16:44, Bertie Coopersmith wrote:

Like Rob Beard, I too have Epson SX435W. I have not tried it over WiFi
from Ubuntu. It works via USB from Ubuntu 12.04 and over Wifi from
Windows 7.  I think that a Linux wireless driver for it MIGHT be
available. I don't wish to experiment with that myself but I'll be
pleased to hear from someone who has found it to work.
Bertie Coopersmith.


Hi,

I have an Epson DX4800 (wired) printer that has always worked on ubuntu 
when plugged in!


I noticed in Sainsburys the other day that a wireless verion of what 
looked like the same printer was going for £45, although I cannot vouch 
for the LINUX compatibility if my older model is anything to go by is 
should just work!


And you get the advantage of 'non-branded' inks costing £12 per set with 
2 blacks


regards#

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[ubuntu-uk] Lucid Update Manager not informing Me of LTS upgrade

[Pete Smout]

Hi,
I have 1 remaining machine to upgrade to 12.04 (my main desktop / 
server) and it is running 10.04 lucid (fully updated as of now), yet the 
graphical update manager is not informing me that an upgrade is possible 
even though I have it set to show LTS versions only.


If I set it to 'normal releases' it shows 10.10 as available but no 
mention of the 11's or the new LTS. When switched back to show LTS 
versions only it still shows 10.10 as being available?


Is this normal?

Please note if I wish I can do a dist upgrade via teminal I know but 
less knowledgeable(?!?) users who are relatively new to the LINUX world 
may be unaware / scared of this way of doing it.


Kind regards

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Update Manager not informing Me of LTS upgrade

[Pete Smout]

On 04/05/12 22:39, Alan Pope wrote:

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On 04/05/12 12:28, Keith Burnett wrote:

Hello Alan and all

So suppose I had a number of 10.04 desktops but no Canonical
support contract.

How would I upgrade to 12.04? Just wait for the LTS option to
appear in software update?



Yup. It will appear soon. Usually around 12.04.1 which is scheduled
for mid July. I asked around and there's no known bugs in the upgrade,
so you could upgrade directly from 10.04 to 12.04 now, but it's safer
to wait.



Hi,

thanks for the info in the process of backing up some important bits, 
will atempt sys upgrade tomorrow, after running apt-get install 
ubuntu-desktop^


will report on list any issues (hopefully none :) ) I encounter unless 
easily solved (lost bookmarks, passwords etc)


Regards

Pete Smout




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Praise for the Questions folk ....

[Pete Smout]

On 03/05/12 19:41, Barry Drake wrote:

I've just got to say somewhere that I have nothing but praise for the
guys who have been working tirelessly on :
https://answers.launchpad.net/ I dipped into it three days ago to see
what happened ther, and it was so overwhelmed by the new release that
I've been working on it. Folks have the patience to answer stupid
questions such as '12.04 doesn't work' with a polite question asking
what actually happens, and sometimes there is a lot of unnecessary abuse
thrown up, and they take it quietly.

I am just so impressed with what is going on there.

Regards, Barry.



Could not agree more they and the folks on this list are superb and will 
walk you through any points you are unsure of, and far more professional 
than MS help and support service and all free of charge.


KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, all

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[ubuntu-uk] My 12.04 experience

[Pete Smout]

Hi,
Just thought I'd feedback my 12.04 experiences so far.

Ubuntu will not install on any of the 3 machines tried on so far! Gets 
as far as asking for user name / psswd and then says error! tried 2 
different downloads so I think its the system not the .iso image


Xubuntu 12.04 (Beta 2) installs first time no trouble at all and 
although I haven't tested everything yet my first impressions are 'Wow 
why would anybody use Unity on a PC or Laptop!'


I hope this situation is not the same for first time installers as if it 
was my first experience I would probably still be a Windoze user!


Still unsure weather or not to upgrade my main machine from 10.04 as I 
personally cannot see the benefit of unity on a PC (and two years on I 
have Lucid set just how I want it!)


Reagrds

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] My 12.04 experience

[Pete Smout]

On 23/04/12 18:52, Dave Morley wrote:

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On 23/04/12 18:37, Pete Smout wrote:

Hi, Just thought I'd feedback my 12.04 experiences so far.

Ubuntu will not install on any of the 3 machines tried on so far!
Gets as far as asking for user name / psswd and then says error!
tried 2 different downloads so I think its the system not the .iso
image

Xubuntu 12.04 (Beta 2) installs first time no trouble at all and
although I haven't tested everything yet my first impressions are
'Wow why would anybody use Unity on a PC or Laptop!'

I hope this situation is not the same for first time installers as
if it was my first experience I would probably still be a Windoze
user!

Still unsure weather or not to upgrade my main machine from 10.04
as I personally cannot see the benefit of unity on a PC (and two
years on I have Lucid set just how I want it!)

Reagrds

Pete




Pete,

Hi bugs like that are really important to report.  There are lots of
things it could be that cause the system to die but without your
machines to try it out on nobody will know for sure.




Hi,

At this late stage of Beta testing (release only about 1 week away) I 
would expect my fairly standard machines to be ok, machine specs are


PC - Dual core (AMD) 3gb ram
Lappy - Dual core (intel) 2gb ram
Old PC - Pentium 4, 1.5gb ram

the makes of the motherboards are unmemorable / unremarkable

With the exception of the 'Old PC' (which may be too old now , although 
I doubt it, this is Linux not windoze) surely IT SHOULD JUST WORK! If it 
was still Alpha I would of course report the bug(s) but it is too late 
now to effect the release (I believe).


I will of course try when the release is official (on 29th I think) but 
surely these machine specs are not so new as no-one else in the world 
has them, if the machines were brand new core i7's or the latest 
'gadget' machines I may well expect a few issues, but I am neither 
wealthy enough, or that bothered by the 'lack of performance' of my 
aging hardware to worry about 'keeping up with the metaphorical Jones's'.


Regards

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] My 12.04 experience

[Pete Smout]

On 23/04/12 20:36, Barry Drake wrote:

On 23/04/12 18:37, Pete Smout wrote:

Ubuntu will not install on any of the 3 machines tried on so far! Gets
as far as asking for user name / psswd and then says error! tried 2
different downloads so I think its the system not the .iso image


Does it run OK from the live-CD? It's worth trying this. You would not
be asked for user name/password until it was ready to install on the
host machine, and then it would only stop with some sort of message that
would tell you what is wrong - not just 'error' - are you saying it
hangs after you have given it a username and password to use in the new
installation? I just wonder if the existing partitioning or something is
getting in the way?

I've been running it on my desktop since Alpha 1 and I'm delighted with
it. Unity is fantastic on a desktop once you are used to it. My wife
still has 10.04 on her machine and I really find it hard going when I
have to use it. I've now installed 12.04 on my netbook and again am
delighted with it. I will be very surprised if there isn't something
simple getting in the way of your install.

I really hope we can help you to sort it. Can you get into the
commandline and tell anything from there while you are trying to install?

Regards, Barry.


Hi,

Thanks for the offers of help, but I am now resigned to waiting a week 
or two for the 'official release' and I am sure Unity has improved since 
my last encounter (11.04) and although I am not writing it off as a UI 
(or DE) it will have to be fantastic to fully convert me.


It does seem strange that Xubuntu installs first time with no errors 
(did have a crash report earlier, but didn't effect me, must have been a 
background thing) where as the Ubuntu Beta 2 with basically the same 
installer did not.


For info it was not the daily build as I have tried these before with no 
success. Nor did I try the live desktop as I have enough machines / hard 
drives to just install  and play around with it so I went straight for 
the install as I have many times before.


I do as a matter of course check the MD5sum (as K3b displays it when 
loading the .iso image and it only takes 2 mins)


If in a week or so when I get around to trying it again I still have 
issues I will pay more attention to the error message and (after 
googleing) I shall ask the many helpful readers of this list for help!


Regards

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

[Pete Smout]

On 14/04/12 16:31, Bill Baker wrote:

Registered Ubuntu User 32366

Not related but how do you
Registered Ubuntu User 32366 ?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....

[Pete Smout]

On 24/03/12 11:58, Barry Drake wrote:

On 24/03/12 01:38, Liam Proven wrote:

However, I do think that Unity in general is not /nearly/ as
customisable as Linux users tend to be used to.


At the moment, yes. When Unity first came out I was disappointed to
discover that it was not based on simple text conf files as is usual in
gnu/linux. Things are moving though.
http://mhall119.com/2012/01/simplified-unity-lens-development-with-singlet/
shows use of a python class library to take much of the pain out of lens
scripting. It won't be long before somebody comes up with a gui ide that
builds a lens using drag-n-drop or similar. It's the kind of thing I'd
have tackled myself when I was younger.

I'm prepared to wait - Unity is perfectly usable as is - and that
doesn't seem to be the case with Windows 8 according to all the reports.

Regards, Barry.


Hi,
Having come relatively late to Ubuntu (8.10) I have become used to the 
customizeabilty of GNOME, and I don't want slag off many peoples hard 
work, but Unity as it stands is not for me (everything must change, and 
hopefully get better) but I do feel that it is going down the Windows 
route of 'this is how it is like it or lump it! To me this is not the 
LINUX way.


A friend of mine has just discovered 'Ultimate OS' a *buntu fork with a 
choice of de's built in, this looks very good and if choice is continued 
to be taken away from me then I will have will have to explore alternate 
options myself!


This is not an easy decision for me as I have been shouting the virtues 
of Ubuntu from the metaphorical hilltops since I first stumbled across 
it, but if pushed will also shout about how let down I feel by the dev's.


It is about personal choice but Unity is not mine! Xubuntu here I come!

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Xorg high CPU usage Solved

[Pete Smout]

On 08/03/12 19:05, Pete Smout wrote:

On 08/03/12 17:13, Pete Smout wrote:

On 07/03/12 17:03, Pete Smout wrote:

On 07/03/12 16:43, Pete Smout wrote:

On 07/03/12 11:46, Neil Greenwood wrote:

On Mar 7, 2012 10:50 AM, Grant Phillips-Sewell
dcg...@cornwall-it.co.uk
mailto:dcg...@cornwall-it.co.uk
wrote:

 On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:45:23 +
 Pete Smout wrote:

  On 06/03/12 18:15, Grant Phillips-Sewell wrote:
   On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:07:08 +
   Pete Smout wrote:
  
   On 05/03/12 21:10, Pete Smout wrote:
   Hi,
  
   For about a week now my laptop (ubuntu 10.04 LTS fully
updated)
   has been freezing up for approx 30 secs, with gkrellm and top
   showing xorg using 100% cpu usage?
   There seems to be no pattern to what programs I am using,
   everything from open office to clementine to smplayer or
   thunderbird, not at any certain time of day or day of the
week,
   or even weather using the inbuilt screen or external one.
  
   My understanding (admittedly limited) is that xorg is the bit
that
   works the display (screen). Has anyone else come across this?
  
   For reference the laptop specs are:
  
   Acer Aspire 5720
   Intel T5250 Dual core processor
   Ram 2.0 gb
   Internal graphics (intel)
   Internal sound (intel)
  
   Thanks in advance for any ideas
  
   Regards
  
   Pete
  
  
   just for reference my xorg.conf:
  
   Section Device
   Identifier Configured Video Device
   Driver fbdev
   EndSection
  
   Might want to look into that bit.
  
   You should have a specific Xorg driver for your onboard Intel
   graphics chip.
  
   Run the following command to find out your graphics chip:
   lspci
  
   Look for the line that has VGA on it.
  
   If it does indeed say something about an Intel chip, then make
sure
   you have the following package installed:
   xserver-xorg-video-intel
  
   (That package deals with all i8xx and i9xx chips)
  
   Once that's installed, remove the xorg.conf file and restart X.
  
   You can restart X by going to a terminal (NOT a terminal
window...
   press CTRL+ALT+F2 and log in) and then run:
   sudo service lightdm restart
  
   (Or just reboot... up to you.)
  
   Grant.
  
  Hi Grant,
 
  Thanks for your reply, the lspci command produces (relevant lines
  only I hope)
 
  00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile
  GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
  00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
  Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
 
  Synaptic shows xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed (reinstalled
for
  good measure) moved the xorg.conf file to my documents folder and
  rebooted, opened t-bird to reply to you and the machine 'greyed
out'
  for approx 20 secs with gkrellm showing xorg as using 100% CPU!
  Please note that last time it happened was with clementine
running,
  when playback stopped mid song so I cannot blame t-bird!
 
  As an aside but possibly related?! when I open a tty shell
  (ctrl-alt-f1) log in it tells me 'Your CPU appears to be lacking
  expected security protections. Please check your BIOS settings,
for
  more information please run /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose which
  produces
 
  smouty@smouty-laptop:~$ /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose
  This CPU is family 6, model 15, and has NX capabilities but is
unable
  to use these protective features because the BIOS is configured to
  disable the capability. Please enable this in your BIOS. For more
  details, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/CPUFeatures
 
  I am unable to find any related settings in BIOS, if this is
  unrelated to my original question please ignore it and I will do
  further research
 
  Regards
 
  Pete

 Hi Pete,

 That is interesting, about your CPU security extensions, but I do
not
 believe it is related to this.

 Your original post showed that your xorg.conf file was using
fbdev as
 the graphics driver - this *should* work on most machines and so
it is
 useful as a fall back if all else fails. The fbdev driver means
that
 the CPU is doing all the graphics donkey-work rather than the GPU.

 Essentially all I suggested was that you ensure you have the correct
 xorg driver available (which you do) and you (re)move the xorg.conf
 file so that xorg regenerates it (or creates on on-the-fly) when you
 reboot... which you've done.

 It is still entirely possible that xorg is still using fbdev, so you
 may want to re-instate your xorg.conf file but edit the fbdev
entry
 to say intel instead.


Thanks trying that, so far so good no issues to report!


 Essentially, as I understand it, if there is an xorg.conf file
present
 then XOrg will use it; if there is no xorg.conf file then XOrg will
try
 to detect what's going on and make up a configuration on-the-fly.

 Since the on-the-fly thing doesn't seem to be working for you, let's
 try *making* it use the Intel driver by having an xorg.conf file
that
 specifies to use the Intel driver and nothing else.

 I hope that makes sense.

 Grant.

As well

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Xorg high CPU usage

[Pete Smout]

On 07/03/12 17:03, Pete Smout wrote:

On 07/03/12 16:43, Pete Smout wrote:

On 07/03/12 11:46, Neil Greenwood wrote:

On Mar 7, 2012 10:50 AM, Grant Phillips-Sewell
dcg...@cornwall-it.co.uk
mailto:dcg...@cornwall-it.co.uk
wrote:

 On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:45:23 +
 Pete Smout wrote:

  On 06/03/12 18:15, Grant Phillips-Sewell wrote:
   On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:07:08 +
   Pete Smout wrote:
  
   On 05/03/12 21:10, Pete Smout wrote:
   Hi,
  
   For about a week now my laptop (ubuntu 10.04 LTS fully updated)
   has been freezing up for approx 30 secs, with gkrellm and top
   showing xorg using 100% cpu usage?
   There seems to be no pattern to what programs I am using,
   everything from open office to clementine to smplayer or
   thunderbird, not at any certain time of day or day of the week,
   or even weather using the inbuilt screen or external one.
  
   My understanding (admittedly limited) is that xorg is the bit
that
   works the display (screen). Has anyone else come across this?
  
   For reference the laptop specs are:
  
   Acer Aspire 5720
   Intel T5250 Dual core processor
   Ram 2.0 gb
   Internal graphics (intel)
   Internal sound (intel)
  
   Thanks in advance for any ideas
  
   Regards
  
   Pete
  
  
   just for reference my xorg.conf:
  
   Section Device
   Identifier Configured Video Device
   Driver fbdev
   EndSection
  
   Might want to look into that bit.
  
   You should have a specific Xorg driver for your onboard Intel
   graphics chip.
  
   Run the following command to find out your graphics chip:
   lspci
  
   Look for the line that has VGA on it.
  
   If it does indeed say something about an Intel chip, then make
sure
   you have the following package installed:
   xserver-xorg-video-intel
  
   (That package deals with all i8xx and i9xx chips)
  
   Once that's installed, remove the xorg.conf file and restart X.
  
   You can restart X by going to a terminal (NOT a terminal window...
   press CTRL+ALT+F2 and log in) and then run:
   sudo service lightdm restart
  
   (Or just reboot... up to you.)
  
   Grant.
  
  Hi Grant,
 
  Thanks for your reply, the lspci command produces (relevant lines
  only I hope)
 
  00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile
  GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
  00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
  Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
 
  Synaptic shows xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed (reinstalled
for
  good measure) moved the xorg.conf file to my documents folder and
  rebooted, opened t-bird to reply to you and the machine 'greyed out'
  for approx 20 secs with gkrellm showing xorg as using 100% CPU!
  Please note that last time it happened was with clementine running,
  when playback stopped mid song so I cannot blame t-bird!
 
  As an aside but possibly related?! when I open a tty shell
  (ctrl-alt-f1) log in it tells me 'Your CPU appears to be lacking
  expected security protections. Please check your BIOS settings, for
  more information please run /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose which
  produces
 
  smouty@smouty-laptop:~$ /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose
  This CPU is family 6, model 15, and has NX capabilities but is
unable
  to use these protective features because the BIOS is configured to
  disable the capability. Please enable this in your BIOS. For more
  details, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/CPUFeatures
 
  I am unable to find any related settings in BIOS, if this is
  unrelated to my original question please ignore it and I will do
  further research
 
  Regards
 
  Pete

 Hi Pete,

 That is interesting, about your CPU security extensions, but I do not
 believe it is related to this.

 Your original post showed that your xorg.conf file was using
fbdev as
 the graphics driver - this *should* work on most machines and so it is
 useful as a fall back if all else fails. The fbdev driver means that
 the CPU is doing all the graphics donkey-work rather than the GPU.

 Essentially all I suggested was that you ensure you have the correct
 xorg driver available (which you do) and you (re)move the xorg.conf
 file so that xorg regenerates it (or creates on on-the-fly) when you
 reboot... which you've done.

 It is still entirely possible that xorg is still using fbdev, so you
 may want to re-instate your xorg.conf file but edit the fbdev entry
 to say intel instead.


Thanks trying that, so far so good no issues to report!


 Essentially, as I understand it, if there is an xorg.conf file present
 then XOrg will use it; if there is no xorg.conf file then XOrg will
try
 to detect what's going on and make up a configuration on-the-fly.

 Since the on-the-fly thing doesn't seem to be working for you, let's
 try *making* it use the Intel driver by having an xorg.conf file that
 specifies to use the Intel driver and nothing else.

 I hope that makes sense.

 Grant.

As well as the xorg.conf file, there is also the
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Xorg high CPU usage

[Pete Smout]

On 08/03/12 17:13, Pete Smout wrote:

On 07/03/12 17:03, Pete Smout wrote:

On 07/03/12 16:43, Pete Smout wrote:

On 07/03/12 11:46, Neil Greenwood wrote:

On Mar 7, 2012 10:50 AM, Grant Phillips-Sewell
dcg...@cornwall-it.co.uk
mailto:dcg...@cornwall-it.co.uk
wrote:

 On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:45:23 +
 Pete Smout wrote:

  On 06/03/12 18:15, Grant Phillips-Sewell wrote:
   On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:07:08 +
   Pete Smout wrote:
  
   On 05/03/12 21:10, Pete Smout wrote:
   Hi,
  
   For about a week now my laptop (ubuntu 10.04 LTS fully updated)
   has been freezing up for approx 30 secs, with gkrellm and top
   showing xorg using 100% cpu usage?
   There seems to be no pattern to what programs I am using,
   everything from open office to clementine to smplayer or
   thunderbird, not at any certain time of day or day of the week,
   or even weather using the inbuilt screen or external one.
  
   My understanding (admittedly limited) is that xorg is the bit
that
   works the display (screen). Has anyone else come across this?
  
   For reference the laptop specs are:
  
   Acer Aspire 5720
   Intel T5250 Dual core processor
   Ram 2.0 gb
   Internal graphics (intel)
   Internal sound (intel)
  
   Thanks in advance for any ideas
  
   Regards
  
   Pete
  
  
   just for reference my xorg.conf:
  
   Section Device
   Identifier Configured Video Device
   Driver fbdev
   EndSection
  
   Might want to look into that bit.
  
   You should have a specific Xorg driver for your onboard Intel
   graphics chip.
  
   Run the following command to find out your graphics chip:
   lspci
  
   Look for the line that has VGA on it.
  
   If it does indeed say something about an Intel chip, then make
sure
   you have the following package installed:
   xserver-xorg-video-intel
  
   (That package deals with all i8xx and i9xx chips)
  
   Once that's installed, remove the xorg.conf file and restart X.
  
   You can restart X by going to a terminal (NOT a terminal
window...
   press CTRL+ALT+F2 and log in) and then run:
   sudo service lightdm restart
  
   (Or just reboot... up to you.)
  
   Grant.
  
  Hi Grant,
 
  Thanks for your reply, the lspci command produces (relevant lines
  only I hope)
 
  00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile
  GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
  00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
  Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
 
  Synaptic shows xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed (reinstalled
for
  good measure) moved the xorg.conf file to my documents folder and
  rebooted, opened t-bird to reply to you and the machine 'greyed
out'
  for approx 20 secs with gkrellm showing xorg as using 100% CPU!
  Please note that last time it happened was with clementine running,
  when playback stopped mid song so I cannot blame t-bird!
 
  As an aside but possibly related?! when I open a tty shell
  (ctrl-alt-f1) log in it tells me 'Your CPU appears to be lacking
  expected security protections. Please check your BIOS settings, for
  more information please run /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose which
  produces
 
  smouty@smouty-laptop:~$ /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose
  This CPU is family 6, model 15, and has NX capabilities but is
unable
  to use these protective features because the BIOS is configured to
  disable the capability. Please enable this in your BIOS. For more
  details, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/CPUFeatures
 
  I am unable to find any related settings in BIOS, if this is
  unrelated to my original question please ignore it and I will do
  further research
 
  Regards
 
  Pete

 Hi Pete,

 That is interesting, about your CPU security extensions, but I do not
 believe it is related to this.

 Your original post showed that your xorg.conf file was using
fbdev as
 the graphics driver - this *should* work on most machines and so
it is
 useful as a fall back if all else fails. The fbdev driver means
that
 the CPU is doing all the graphics donkey-work rather than the GPU.

 Essentially all I suggested was that you ensure you have the correct
 xorg driver available (which you do) and you (re)move the xorg.conf
 file so that xorg regenerates it (or creates on on-the-fly) when you
 reboot... which you've done.

 It is still entirely possible that xorg is still using fbdev, so you
 may want to re-instate your xorg.conf file but edit the fbdev entry
 to say intel instead.


Thanks trying that, so far so good no issues to report!


 Essentially, as I understand it, if there is an xorg.conf file
present
 then XOrg will use it; if there is no xorg.conf file then XOrg will
try
 to detect what's going on and make up a configuration on-the-fly.

 Since the on-the-fly thing doesn't seem to be working for you, let's
 try *making* it use the Intel driver by having an xorg.conf file that
 specifies to use the Intel driver and nothing else.

 I hope that makes sense.

 Grant.

As well as the xorg.conf file, there is also

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Xorg high CPU usage

[Pete Smout]

On 07/03/12 11:46, Neil Greenwood wrote:

On Mar 7, 2012 10:50 AM, Grant Phillips-Sewell
dcg...@cornwall-it.co.uk
mailto:dcg...@cornwall-it.co.uk wrote:
 
  On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:45:23 +
  Pete Smout wrote:
 
   On 06/03/12 18:15, Grant Phillips-Sewell wrote:
On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:07:08 +
Pete Smout wrote:
   
On 05/03/12 21:10, Pete Smout wrote:
Hi,
   
For about a week now my laptop (ubuntu 10.04 LTS fully updated)
has been freezing up for approx 30 secs, with gkrellm and top
showing xorg using 100% cpu usage?
There seems to be no pattern to what programs I am using,
everything from open office to clementine to smplayer or
thunderbird, not at any certain time of day or day of the week,
or even weather using the inbuilt screen or external one.
   
My understanding (admittedly limited) is that xorg is the bit that
works the display (screen). Has anyone else come across this?
   
For reference the laptop specs are:
   
Acer Aspire 5720
Intel T5250 Dual core processor
Ram 2.0 gb
Internal graphics (intel)
Internal sound (intel)
   
Thanks in advance for any ideas
   
Regards
   
Pete
   
   
just for reference my xorg.conf:
   
Section Device
   Identifier Configured Video Device
   Driver fbdev
EndSection
   
Might want to look into that bit.
   
You should have a specific Xorg driver for your onboard Intel
graphics chip.
   
Run the following command to find out your graphics chip:
  lspci
   
Look for the line that has VGA on it.
   
If it does indeed say something about an Intel chip, then make sure
you have the following package installed:
  xserver-xorg-video-intel
   
(That package deals with all i8xx and i9xx chips)
   
Once that's installed, remove the xorg.conf file and restart X.
   
You can restart X by going to a terminal (NOT a terminal window...
press CTRL+ALT+F2 and log in) and then run:
  sudo service lightdm restart
   
(Or just reboot... up to you.)
   
Grant.
   
   Hi Grant,
  
   Thanks for your reply, the lspci command produces (relevant lines
   only I hope)
  
   00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile
   GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
   00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
   Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
  
   Synaptic shows xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed (reinstalled for
   good measure) moved the xorg.conf file to my documents folder and
   rebooted, opened t-bird to reply to you and the machine 'greyed out'
   for approx 20 secs with gkrellm showing xorg as using 100% CPU!
   Please note that last time it happened was with clementine running,
   when playback stopped mid song so I cannot blame t-bird!
  
   As an aside but possibly related?! when I open a tty shell
   (ctrl-alt-f1) log in it tells me 'Your CPU appears to be lacking
   expected security protections. Please check your BIOS settings, for
   more information please run /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose which
   produces
  
   smouty@smouty-laptop:~$ /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose
   This CPU is family 6, model 15, and has NX capabilities but is unable
   to use these protective features because the BIOS is configured to
   disable the capability.  Please enable this in your BIOS.  For more
   details, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/CPUFeatures
  
   I am unable to find any related settings in BIOS, if this is
   unrelated to my original question please ignore it and I will do
   further research
  
   Regards
  
   Pete
 
  Hi Pete,
 
  That is interesting, about your CPU security extensions, but I do not
  believe it is related to this.
 
  Your original post showed that your xorg.conf file was using fbdev as
  the graphics driver - this *should* work on most machines and so it is
  useful as a fall back if all else fails. The fbdev driver means that
  the CPU is doing all the graphics donkey-work rather than the GPU.
 
  Essentially all I suggested was that you ensure you have the correct
  xorg driver available (which you do) and you (re)move the xorg.conf
  file so that xorg regenerates it (or creates on on-the-fly) when you
  reboot... which you've done.
 
  It is still entirely possible that xorg is still using fbdev, so you
  may want to re-instate your xorg.conf file but edit the fbdev entry
  to say intel instead.


Thanks trying that, so far so good no issues to report!


  Essentially, as I understand it, if there is an xorg.conf file present
  then XOrg will use it; if there is no xorg.conf file then XOrg will try
  to detect what's going on and make up a configuration on-the-fly.
 
  Since the on-the-fly thing doesn't seem to be working for you, let's
  try *making* it use the Intel driver by having an xorg.conf file that
  specifies to use the Intel driver and nothing else.
 
  I hope that makes sense.
 
  Grant.

As well

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Xorg high CPU usage

[Pete Smout]

On 07/03/12 16:43, Pete Smout wrote:

On 07/03/12 11:46, Neil Greenwood wrote:

On Mar 7, 2012 10:50 AM, Grant Phillips-Sewell
dcg...@cornwall-it.co.uk
mailto:dcg...@cornwall-it.co.uk wrote:

 On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:45:23 +
 Pete Smout wrote:

  On 06/03/12 18:15, Grant Phillips-Sewell wrote:
   On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:07:08 +
   Pete Smout wrote:
  
   On 05/03/12 21:10, Pete Smout wrote:
   Hi,
  
   For about a week now my laptop (ubuntu 10.04 LTS fully updated)
   has been freezing up for approx 30 secs, with gkrellm and top
   showing xorg using 100% cpu usage?
   There seems to be no pattern to what programs I am using,
   everything from open office to clementine to smplayer or
   thunderbird, not at any certain time of day or day of the week,
   or even weather using the inbuilt screen or external one.
  
   My understanding (admittedly limited) is that xorg is the bit
that
   works the display (screen). Has anyone else come across this?
  
   For reference the laptop specs are:
  
   Acer Aspire 5720
   Intel T5250 Dual core processor
   Ram 2.0 gb
   Internal graphics (intel)
   Internal sound (intel)
  
   Thanks in advance for any ideas
  
   Regards
  
   Pete
  
  
   just for reference my xorg.conf:
  
   Section Device
   Identifier Configured Video Device
   Driver fbdev
   EndSection
  
   Might want to look into that bit.
  
   You should have a specific Xorg driver for your onboard Intel
   graphics chip.
  
   Run the following command to find out your graphics chip:
   lspci
  
   Look for the line that has VGA on it.
  
   If it does indeed say something about an Intel chip, then make sure
   you have the following package installed:
   xserver-xorg-video-intel
  
   (That package deals with all i8xx and i9xx chips)
  
   Once that's installed, remove the xorg.conf file and restart X.
  
   You can restart X by going to a terminal (NOT a terminal window...
   press CTRL+ALT+F2 and log in) and then run:
   sudo service lightdm restart
  
   (Or just reboot... up to you.)
  
   Grant.
  
  Hi Grant,
 
  Thanks for your reply, the lspci command produces (relevant lines
  only I hope)
 
  00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile
  GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
  00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
  Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
 
  Synaptic shows xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed (reinstalled for
  good measure) moved the xorg.conf file to my documents folder and
  rebooted, opened t-bird to reply to you and the machine 'greyed out'
  for approx 20 secs with gkrellm showing xorg as using 100% CPU!
  Please note that last time it happened was with clementine running,
  when playback stopped mid song so I cannot blame t-bird!
 
  As an aside but possibly related?! when I open a tty shell
  (ctrl-alt-f1) log in it tells me 'Your CPU appears to be lacking
  expected security protections. Please check your BIOS settings, for
  more information please run /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose which
  produces
 
  smouty@smouty-laptop:~$ /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose
  This CPU is family 6, model 15, and has NX capabilities but is unable
  to use these protective features because the BIOS is configured to
  disable the capability. Please enable this in your BIOS. For more
  details, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/CPUFeatures
 
  I am unable to find any related settings in BIOS, if this is
  unrelated to my original question please ignore it and I will do
  further research
 
  Regards
 
  Pete

 Hi Pete,

 That is interesting, about your CPU security extensions, but I do not
 believe it is related to this.

 Your original post showed that your xorg.conf file was using fbdev as
 the graphics driver - this *should* work on most machines and so it is
 useful as a fall back if all else fails. The fbdev driver means that
 the CPU is doing all the graphics donkey-work rather than the GPU.

 Essentially all I suggested was that you ensure you have the correct
 xorg driver available (which you do) and you (re)move the xorg.conf
 file so that xorg regenerates it (or creates on on-the-fly) when you
 reboot... which you've done.

 It is still entirely possible that xorg is still using fbdev, so you
 may want to re-instate your xorg.conf file but edit the fbdev entry
 to say intel instead.


Thanks trying that, so far so good no issues to report!


 Essentially, as I understand it, if there is an xorg.conf file present
 then XOrg will use it; if there is no xorg.conf file then XOrg will try
 to detect what's going on and make up a configuration on-the-fly.

 Since the on-the-fly thing doesn't seem to be working for you, let's
 try *making* it use the Intel driver by having an xorg.conf file that
 specifies to use the Intel driver and nothing else.

 I hope that makes sense.

 Grant.

As well as the xorg.conf file, there is also the
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory that should be checked to see if
it has

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubiquity and ubuntuforums

[Pete Smout]

On 06/03/12 13:12, Andy Braben wrote:


And so have I. Yes ubuntu forums are a very important source of useful
information and new users need to know that they exist.

Regards,
Andy.



As have I great idea!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Happy Hour Reading 29th March

[Pete Smout]

On 06/03/12 17:52, Piskie wrote:

On 06/03/12 17:16, Alan Bell wrote:

Hi all,

back from an extended christmas break the Happy Hour tour is starting
up again, with our first stop for 2012 being in Reading at the end of
this month

http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1600/detail/

The pub is the Back of Beyond, which is a Weatherspoons pub slightly
out of the town centre. Hope to see loads of you there.

If you want a Happy Hour near you then all you have to do is specify
the pub and a day that you can be there, give me a shout and I will
add it to the tour.
http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/

Alan.


Might try to make the Hobbit on Southampton when it get's there

piskie


+1 for southampton!!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Xorg high CPU usage

[Pete Smout]

On 05/03/12 21:10, Pete Smout wrote:

Hi,

For about a week now my laptop (ubuntu 10.04 LTS fully updated) has been
freezing up for approx 30 secs, with gkrellm and top showing xorg using
100% cpu usage?
There seems to be no pattern to what programs I am using, everything
from open office to clementine to smplayer or thunderbird, not at any
certain time of day or day of the week, or even weather using the
inbuilt screen or external one.

My understanding (admittedly limited) is that xorg is the bit that works
the display (screen). Has anyone else come across this?

For reference the laptop specs are:

Acer Aspire 5720
Intel T5250 Dual core processor
Ram 2.0 gb
Internal graphics (intel)
Internal sound (intel)

Thanks in advance for any ideas

Regards

Pete



just for reference my xorg.conf:

Section Device
Identifier  Configured Video Device
Driver  fbdev
EndSection

Section Monitor
Identifier  Configured Monitor
EndSection

Section Screen
Identifier  Default Screen
Monitor Configured Monitor
Device  Configured Video Device
EndSection

regards

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Xorg high CPU usage

[Pete Smout]

On 06/03/12 18:15, Grant Phillips-Sewell wrote:

On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:07:08 +
Pete Smout wrote:


On 05/03/12 21:10, Pete Smout wrote:

Hi,

For about a week now my laptop (ubuntu 10.04 LTS fully updated) has
been freezing up for approx 30 secs, with gkrellm and top showing
xorg using 100% cpu usage?
There seems to be no pattern to what programs I am using, everything
from open office to clementine to smplayer or thunderbird, not at
any certain time of day or day of the week, or even weather using
the inbuilt screen or external one.

My understanding (admittedly limited) is that xorg is the bit that
works the display (screen). Has anyone else come across this?

For reference the laptop specs are:

Acer Aspire 5720
Intel T5250 Dual core processor
Ram 2.0 gb
Internal graphics (intel)
Internal sound (intel)

Thanks in advance for any ideas

Regards

Pete



just for reference my xorg.conf:

Section Device
Identifier  Configured Video Device
Driver  fbdev
EndSection


Might want to look into that bit.

You should have a specific Xorg driver for your onboard Intel
graphics chip.

Run the following command to find out your graphics chip:
  lspci

Look for the line that has VGA on it.

If it does indeed say something about an Intel chip, then make sure you
have the following package installed:
  xserver-xorg-video-intel

(That package deals with all i8xx and i9xx chips)

Once that's installed, remove the xorg.conf file and restart X.

You can restart X by going to a terminal (NOT a terminal window...
press CTRL+ALT+F2 and log in) and then run:
  sudo service lightdm restart

(Or just reboot... up to you.)

Grant.


Hi Grant,

Thanks for your reply, the lspci command produces (relevant lines only I 
hope)


00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 
Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 
Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)


Synaptic shows xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed (reinstalled for 
good measure) moved the xorg.conf file to my documents folder and 
rebooted, opened t-bird to reply to you and the machine 'greyed out' for 
approx 20 secs with gkrellm showing xorg as using 100% CPU! Please note 
that last time it happened was with clementine running, when playback 
stopped mid song so I cannot blame t-bird!


As an aside but possibly related?! when I open a tty shell (ctrl-alt-f1) 
log in it tells me 'Your CPU appears to be lacking expected security 
protections. Please check your BIOS settings, for more information 
please run /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose which produces


smouty@smouty-laptop:~$ /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose
This CPU is family 6, model 15, and has NX capabilities but is unable to
use these protective features because the BIOS is configured to disable
the capability.  Please enable this in your BIOS.  For more details, see:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/CPUFeatures

I am unable to find any related settings in BIOS, if this is unrelated 
to my original question please ignore it and I will do further research


Regards

Pete




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[ubuntu-uk] Xorg high CPU usage

[Pete Smout]

Hi,

For about a week now my laptop (ubuntu 10.04 LTS fully updated) has been 
freezing up for approx 30 secs, with gkrellm and top showing xorg using 
100% cpu usage?
There seems to be no pattern to what programs I am using, everything 
from open office to clementine to smplayer or thunderbird, not at any 
certain time of day or day of the week, or even weather using the 
inbuilt screen or external one.


My understanding (admittedly limited) is that xorg is the bit that works 
the display (screen). Has anyone else come across this?


For reference the laptop specs are:

Acer Aspire 5720
Intel T5250 Dual core processor
Ram 2.0 gb
Internal graphics (intel)
Internal sound (intel)

Thanks in advance for any ideas

Regards

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Heres an idea (Was Unity is not working)

[Pete Smout]

On 22/02/12 18:16, Joe wrote:

I recently moved to Linix Mint on my netbook, reluctantly though because I 
wanted to stay *buntu, but after trying Xubuntu and Kubuntu I didn't really 
find that any were quite perfect.

After moving to Mint, I have to say I'm pleased with it. It has all the ease 
and efficiency that Ubuntu used to have on a netbook, but uses a nicer 
interface than Unity.

That said, I can't bring myself to switch my main desktop PC away from Ubuntu…
Sent via BlackBerry® from Orange

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From: David Smithd...@p3computers.com
Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:51:35
To: 'ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com'ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talkubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Heres an idea (Was Unity is not working)


Hi,

FWIW I have tried Unity and Xfce, KDE, GNOME 3, and have found all 
wanting in some regards, but to say Unity is being forced upon us is 
very wide of the mark. We all have a choice we can stay with Lucid 
(GNOME 2) until support expires (2015 I think but not sure) or we can 
install Xbuntu, Kubuntu without being 'unfaithful' to the Ubuntu 
project, or we can go over to Mint or Arios both of which are 
derivatives of Ubuntu (I'm sure there are others).


Those of us slightly more experimental can install such window managers 
/ docks as AWN, Cario Doc, Docky, and others and completely change the 
look and feel of the graphical interface.


Choice is everywhere!

I have not tried precise as I have been unable to successfully install 
it on either my desktop or laptop, but I am sure the Unity graphical 
interface will have progressed from 11-10 in much the same way as our 
beloved Gnome 2 developed from my 'joining' Ubuntu (8-10) to 10-04 lucid!


My point I suppose is if you don't like it don't use it or change it 
moaning achieves nothing.


Regards,

Pete

sent from Ubuntu 10-04 LTS (Lucid Lynx).


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Recommendations for a printer?

[Pete Smout]

snip


Epson, the last time I looked, needed a different driver for each
printer  I had to make a directory deep in the spooler hierarchy to
get the driver to install for the cheap all-in-one I was testing.
There were also separate drivers for scanning and so on.


I have a Epson dx4800 all-in-one inkjet printer that just works when 
plugged into 10-04 or 11-10 only thing I needed was xsane? i think it's 
called to get scanner to work. printer about £50 inks £12 a set!



Canon - many Pixma models do work, but again, there are lots of
different drivers for different model ranges. It's not quite one per
model but there were quite a few to choose from.

I've tried a couple of Kodaks and they worked well too, once the
specific driver was installed - which was a battle as Kodak don't make
them readily available. Kodak have some of the cheapest ink around, I
believe.





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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 Precise

[Pete Smout]

On 13/01/12 21:04, Neil Greenwood wrote:

On 12.01.12 23:29, Pete Smout wrote:

Hi,

Just upgraded the HDD in my laptop and decided to reinstall ubuntu, so I
went for the daily build of 12.04.

Although this is still in the Alpha test stage and issues are to be
expected, the issue I encountered was that it would not install!

It got to the point of asking to install updates during install and
third party software, (good idea!) and just hung there for 2.5 hrs (so
was a hang not a delay).

has anyone had any joy with this or is it just me with this bizzare issue?

regards

Pete




I tried updating today and there seems to be some package breakage.

I installed perfectly from the Alpha 1 ISO a few weeks ago. I'd try
that, and complete the install before trying to update.

HTH
Neil.


Hi,
Issue solved downloaded the alpha 1 iso and updated after install is it 
worth raising a bug report for the issue stated above? If this is the 
new install procedure, my lap top is not that outta the ordinary 
(intel2.4ghz dual core, 2gb ram) it should just work!


If I raise a bug report I have no debug info to back it up, so other 
than the info provided here, I cannot back it up with error reports or 
anything like that, but I feel this issue needs to go up the line, hence 
the question 'has anyone else' had this problem to shed more light and 
be able to provide more info on the problem to pool the reports, and 
give more ammunition to the bug report.


regards

Pete


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[ubuntu-uk] 12.04 Precise

[Pete Smout]

Hi,

Just upgraded the HDD in my laptop and decided to reinstall ubuntu, so I 
went for the daily build of 12.04.


Although this is still in the Alpha test stage and issues are to be 
expected, the issue I encountered was that it would not install!


It got to the point of asking to install updates during install and 
third party software, (good idea!) and just hung there for 2.5 hrs (so 
was a hang not a delay).


has anyone had any joy with this or is it just me with this bizzare issue?

regards

Pete


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[Bug 123684] Re: can't change owner of multiple files in nautilus

[pete smout]

And i can confirm still the same in 9.10 (karmic)

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