Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PS: Green hard disk drives
The Green drives are considered to have buggy FIRMWARE, the 4 second spindown interval being just too short and causing huge problems is desktop use. The idle3-tools package contains a utility to allow resetting or disabling this time sudo apt-get install idle3-tools will bring this into Ubuntu or Debian. You can then disable the firmware timer and use HDparm to set up a more normal timeout. I did this with three of these drives, two of them in a RAID0 with another drive. Some months later, the 3ed drive died, just fell off the SATA bus and could not be recognized again. That's probably unrelated, probably caused by another firmware bug in fact, but the utility does warn about possible issues. When I ran that utlity, the start-stop cycles stopped climbing to the moon, prolonging the lives of the other two drives,. which are still in use today. I would never buy another, however. On 8/13/2015 at 8:48 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:24:19 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: Without reading very closely, do you know about this? I had this problem with two of my older WD drives. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Format#Special_Consi deration_for_WD_Green_HDDs Yes, but the time when the drive goes to sleep for my drive by default is set to 30 minutes. I want that my drive spins down and goes to sleep. I'm aware about broken software that wakes up green drives, that's why I don't use it, if the coders aren't interested in fixing their bugs. Some software provides even mounting by mouse click without waking up drives, so there's absolutely no valid reason, that any kind of monitoring needs to wake up drives. Even not for those who don't want to mount by CLI. A lxpanel/libfm coder fixed the bug after I reported it. Resume: For my minimalist Wily server install there already is some of that broken software installed, but I don't know what it is and I unlikely installed or enabled it. For my Arch Linux install I don't run into this issue and don't use any kind of workaround to manipulate my drive, while the culprit is broken Linux software ;). I simply avoid usage of buggy software :). [weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ cat /mnt/archlinux/etc/systemd/system/lcc_fix.service cat: /mnt/archlinux/etc/systemd/system/lcc_fix.service: No such file or directory Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Where do we get information about Ubuntu's systemd?
This same issue also exists between Ubuntu and Debian, causing unsolvable time differences between the two on a dual booting machine. I didn't know that timedatectl was simply being ignored in Ubuntu! What I would want would be a hardware clock that the OS can't change, set to local time in all cases. I never use network time updating due to the issue of having a requirement for machines that do not reveal their IP address to anything I do not deliberately connect to. Unfortunately Tor requires knowing the time zone to work so as to avoid time based attacks. Thankfully it does NOT require network time! On 7/28/2015 at 7:03 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Hi, for at least 2½ years, perhaps for longer, I'm using a clean systemd Arch Linux install. Now I'm using Ubuntu's hybrid init script/systemd for the very first time. I run into issues. The first issue already is solved, I needed to disable an init script, before I could use my own systemd service. Now I wonder why timedatectl does show the same settings for my Arch Linux and my Ubuntu, but after running Ubuntu and rebooting to Arch Linux, the hwclock goes wrong. This doesn't happen when rebooting from other installs, e.g. from an Ubuntu using Upstart. I also wonder why the minimal server install already loads modules and enables services without user interaction. I've got two requests. 1. How can I chose between local TZ and UTC for the RTC, when timedatectl is ignored? 2. Is there a documentation about Ubuntu's systemd? I'm running the Ubuntu Wily Werewolf (development branch), but since Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) already dropped upstart, there might be a documentation available. It's freakish to search for an init script, that needs to be disabled, before I can use a systemd service. root@moonstudio:~# ls -hAl /etc/rcS.d/S09networking /etc/init.d/networking -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4.7K Jun 2 09:32 /etc/init.d/networking lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jul 25 22:50 /etc/rcS.d/S09networking - ../init.d/networking root@moonstudio:~# update-rc.d networking disable insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `networking' overrides LSB defaults (S). insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 6 S) of script `networking' overrides LSB defaults (0 6). insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `networking' overrides LSB defaults (S). insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 6 S) of script `networking' overrides LSB defaults (0 6). root@moonstudio:~# ls -hAl /etc/rcS.d/S09networking /etc/init.d/networking ls: cannot access /etc/rcS.d/S09networking: No such file or directory -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4.7K Jun 2 09:32 /etc/init.d/networking root@moonstudio:~# systemctl enable alice.service Created symlink from /etc/systemd/system/multi- user.target.wants/alice.service to /lib/systemd/system/alice.service. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?
I've played with other browsers (rekonq in particular) but never found a way to keep them from coming up unique in Panopticlick. Thus they are too easily tracked and can only be used with websites known not to contain any ads, trackers, or 3ed party analytic tools. One of the problems is that the security plugin infrastructure that has grown up around Firefox is difficult to duplicate on another browser. I use NoScript, Ghostery, and Canvasblocker plus a long list of blocked servers in /etc/hosts. These plugins are almost mandatory to stop cookieless tracking, browser fingerprinting, supercookies, etc. We are engaged in an arms race with the black hats that devise new ways to tracking people for the likes of Google, Facebook, and all those sleazy ad networks. The sypware you have to find and disable in Firefox is bad enough that ideally it would be forked and stripped down. On the other hand, the Internet as a whole has become extremely malicious. ANY website that is monetized in any way should be regarded as an attack vector. Some (Google and Facebook especially) are among the most malicious sites on the entire web when it comes to privacy. On the other hand, any website that might be unpopular with a government agency is subject to spoofing attacks, man in the middle attacks, and even the potential for redirection to malicious copies of the server in a governmental version of phishing. Think Google's safebrowsing database will call out a DHS phish site? Imagine living in a city where the grocer will attempt to pick your pocket, the banker will try to find your home so he can clean out your safe, half of all ATM's are fakes set up by criminals to harvest deposits, and the police are terrorists protecting a dictatorship. The entire Internet is just such a city. When it really counts, I bring out the big guns by firing up Torbrowser. On 7/17/2015 at 1:46 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 23:33:19 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Given the way Firefox is going, I recommend and practice periodic cleaning of URL's from about:config. That's my recommendation too, but I dislike to do it again and again. I try to find a less bloated browser, that fit too my needs, IOW that's less bloated but provides more comfort than e.g. xombrero. I don't remember if I mentioned it already in this thread, on my machine I need around 1½ hours to compile a kernel with a default Arch/Debian/Ubuntu configuration and around 3½ hours to compile Firefox. There are a few interesting notes about e.g. Firefox's policy in the current flash discussion on Arch general mailing list. And on the Kubuntu user mailing list there's also is a Flash discussion that became a browser security discussion, but it's not interesting for more experienced users. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?
I think we are looking at two different attack models here. I am looking at user tracking both by law enforcement and by commerical entities, as opposed to efforts to break root and take over a computer. The latter mode of attack, even by law enforcement, usually delivers a windows-only payload even when a cross-platform exploit is used to deliver it. I will use an actual attack on torbrowser by the FBI as an example here: Last summer, the FBI managed to attack a .onion webserver owned by Freedom Roads hosting and insert code exploiting a browser vulnerability affecting what even then was an out of date version of Torbrowser. If and only if javascript was enabled, the exploit would run over any OS. It delivered a spyware payload known generically as a CIPAV or Computer Internet Protocal Address Verifier. It caused infected machines to phone home to the FBI over a non-Tor connection-but the payload code was Windows only. Anyone running the then current Torbrowser was not vulnerable, neither was anyone not enabling JS, nor anyone not running Windows. Now we have the Flash zero-days found by freedom fighters breaking into machines used by a European corporation that sold spyware to mutliple governments. This forced Adobe to hurredly patch Flash and Firefox in default builds at least for Windows to blacklist unpatched versions. Flash, Javascript, and Java are the three main ways payloads get in, and all three are cross-platform. It is the popularity of Windows more than anything else that has kept most of the payloads Windows-only. Thus, Windows is a high-crime neighborhood and for that reason alone uniquely difficult to secure against random opponents. For years I have warned that Windows must never be trusted for encryption or Tor, not even to open encrypted emails. That same CIPAV for Linux would have been several times harder to write, harder yet to conceal (where do you hide the startup job for next boot?) and all that extra work to hit only 1% of the user base. With the growth of smarphones, however, we will be looking at enemies who code this kind of exploit for three operating systems, namely Windows, iOS, and Android. We will have to be careful to watch for those Android payloads that by chance and lack of Android-specific code will also run on traditional Linux distros. On 7/17/2015 at 2:31 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 13:46:50 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: When it really counts, I bring out the big guns by firing up Torbrowser. 2 humans = 2² opinions Regarding TOR a message from the Arch general mailing list from today and regarding browser security in general, 2 mails from the Kubuntu users mailing list, also from today. Begin forwarded message: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 13:00:30 -0400 To: arch-gene...@archlinux.org Subject: Re: [arch-general] current flash vulnerabilities - what to do? On 17/07/15 12:35 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:30:05 -0400, Daniel Micay wrote: The Tor browser is quite insecure. It's nearly the same thing as Firefox, so it falls near the bottom of the list when it comes to browser security, i.e. below even Internet Explorer, which has a basic sandbox (but not nearly on par with Chromium, especially on Linux) and other JIT / allocator hardening features not present at all in Firefox. What the Tor browser *does* have that's unique are tweaks to significantly reduce the browser's unique fingerprint. https://blog.torproject.org/blog/isec-partners-conducts-tor- browser-hardening-study Tor would be a fork of Chromium if they were starting again today with a large team. They don't have the resources to switch browsers. That would only change if they can get Google to implement most of the features they need. Vivaldi is based on Chromium. How does Vivaldi compare regarding security and privacy to IceCat, Pale Moon, Firefox, QupZilla, Opera? https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0K=vivaldi https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0K=vivaldi It's a proprietary browser built on Chromium. It's not interesting from a security / privacy perspective. If you want Chromium without Google integration then you can use Iridium. It doesn't remove any tracking / spying code though. There wasn't any to remove. Their redefinition of tracking just means support for any service hosted by Google (like adding a warning message when a dictionary would be downloaded from them). Most of what it does is changing the the default settings to be more privacy conscious. https://git.iridiumbrowser.de/cgit.cgi/iridium-browser/log/ Begin forwarded message: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 14:49:01 +0200 To: Kubuntu user technical support kubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? Hi all, On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Ralf Mardorf kde.li...@yahoo.com wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 21:06:09 +0200, Bas G. Roufs wrote:
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?
Re: query.yahoo I am not sure what this is, maybe you have Yahoo set up as a search engine in Firefox? I would advise disabling either all commercial search engines or all search engines entirely. Also go into about: config and remove any Yahoo URL's you see, On 7/13/2015 at 3:02 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:02:43 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: It works for me, will show the Hushmail keep alive when running. All it shows is the IP address, but plugging that one in brings up Hushmail. Has worked fine on both Ubuntu Vivid and current Debian Unstable. for me. Hahaha, with the mouse I needed to move down a separator or what ever it's called. Now I see the real-time data. If I now search package details with the keyword www or http etc. not all URLs are shown. If I search for http://ubuntustudio.org/;, www.google.de etc. it's shown, but assumed I wouldn't know the name, how could I see all URLs? Randomly I see query.yahoo.apis.com without using Yahoo and Ghostery doesn't show it either. I guess I need to read a tutorial. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?
Test again, make sure you do not see any Yahoo URLs come up. Given the way Firefox is going, I recommend and practice periodic cleaning of URL's from about:config. Firefox cannot connect if it knows neither IP address nor URL of something you want to keep out. More and more they are pulling in shit like pocket which is an extension that uses a 3ed party server. Beware of all browser updates, have a .deb for the previous version standing by, and when you see new antifeatures rip them out in about: config. At least Mozilla still gives us that option, if that ever goes away someone will have to rip all the social networking and 3ed party shit out of the source code and rebuild, then publish the patches. I would do that myself long before I would ever tolerate connections to any PRISM or CALEA compliant service, indeed ANY 3ed party service by my browser. Just the other day someone was arrested in a child custody case based on online records from an online service. The Washington post is using this story to try to intimidate people into surrendering if they have warrants or else not dare to do anything illegal by saying people don't even know how wide an online trail they leave. They left out that a fugitive who refuses to permit ANY electronics near him (as in common in the Middle East) will never be found this way, and that growing police dependency on online surveillance will necessarily weaken their ability to find people the old way. It's like driving without a license somewhere speed cameras have replaced the highway patrol: the cameras cannot harm someone with fake tags and no license, and the cops that could are eating donuts trusting the cameras to do ALL of their job. On 7/16/2015 at 6:24 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:24:55 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Re: query.yahoo I am not sure what this is, maybe you have Yahoo set up as a search engine in Firefox? No. I would advise disabling either all commercial search engines or all search engines entirely. Also go into about: config and remove any Yahoo URL's you see, Right now I removed 7 Yahoo entries. Pale Moon isn't much better and QupZilla doesn't provide about:config. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?
It works for me, will show the Hushmail keep alive when running. All it shows is the IP address, but plugging that one in brings up Hushmail. Has worked fine on both Ubuntu Vivid and current Debian Unstable. for me. On 7/13/2015 at 7:16 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:21:21 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: One of the first things to do is install Wireshark, get it running A long time ago I used wireshark successfully, but on my current machine I only get it working to show the first action of enp3s0 (aka eth0) and ppp0. The homepages FAQs aren't a help. I dislike to watch the homepage videos that require flashplayer, even while I have Chrome installed for this purpose. Wireshark does count packages, but doesn't display information. There's no list with timestamps. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?
I look at all the packets, never realized Wireshark could resolve remote names, thus the manual plugging of all IP addresses seen into the browser. On 7/13/2015 at 3:02 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:02:43 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: It works for me, will show the Hushmail keep alive when running. All it shows is the IP address, but plugging that one in brings up Hushmail. Has worked fine on both Ubuntu Vivid and current Debian Unstable. for me. Hahaha, with the mouse I needed to move down a separator or what ever it's called. Now I see the real-time data. If I now search package details with the keyword www or http etc. not all URLs are shown. If I search for http://ubuntustudio.org/;, www.google.de etc. it's shown, but assumed I wouldn't know the name, how could I see all URLs? Randomly I see query.yahoo.apis.com without using Yahoo and Ghostery doesn't show it either. I guess I need to read a tutorial. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?
A weather applet itself does not spy, my concern is creating a list of all IP addresses a portable machine connects from. This is no concern on a stationary desktop, it is a serious concern on a laptop that travels to a variety of places you do not want all to appear in a list somewhere subject to subpeona or to bulk surveillance. On 7/12/2015 at 2:39 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:21:21 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Mate-panel clock applet if and only if configured with a location to show weather Indeed, I'm using lxpanel's weather applet, but as already pointed out, I don't care about security and a weather applet perhaps doesn't spy, it likely only does indirectly provide information and could become a security risk for some computer usage. Chromium (requires disabling Google services) Chrome (closed, cannot disable all the Google spyware) atom-editor available by a PPA spies, but I guess it completely can be turned off, sylpheed available by the official repositories checks for updates, but it can be turned off. Some users should consider what level of privacy they need. I don't need protection against a regime were people are murdered, but I dislike to inform what I do, to provide my passwords etc.. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?
This email wasn't finished and get sent by accident before I could finish the Firefox details. I'm sure others can add to the overall list of applications, as there are thousands I have never tested or run. Firefox, details below: Google prefs cookie-disable all safebrowsing then delete all cookies to disable Google safebrowsing service itself Cisco H264 codec in Firefox (auto-updates) disable in about: config. Use gstreamer H264 codec for video playback instead plugins and remove URL's in about: config Firefox crash reporter Firefox health report Firefox heartbeat survey (disable by removing self-support url in about: config Prefetchand Keyword should be disabled to prevent sending every keystroke in the URL bar to your DNS provider instead of just finished URL's Be sure to disable geo services I recommend removing all URLs in about: config except the one used to get extensions As I type this email, the only IP addresses to come up in Wireshark in at least 15 minutes are Hushmail's and my own, so I must be doing something right. On 7/12/2015 at 2:21 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: One of the first things to do is install Wireshark, get it running, and then engage in a variety of offline actions with no browser running but connected to the network. Trap every IP address you see, then open a browser and enter each IP address and find out what it is. This is how I found that Ubuntu's flashplugin-installer has a dependency that phones home, namely the cron job in update-notifier-common. After getting rid of that, I can now run the system at idle, even with the browser open, and the only way any IP addresses external to my setup show up in Wireshark is if a web page is open in browser that updates itself. Otherwise no traffic. In short, every system is different, and Wireshark will find everything except anything that starts and finishes before you can get Wireshark running. I have not yet used wireshark from one machine to monitor another but that would be the way to check the whole boot process. Here is a partial list of known problems that I have found: Unity remote lenses (all of them) Any kind of desktop remote search service Mate-panel clock applet if and only if configured with a location to show weather Popularity-contest (obvious)] Whoopsie (never had it installed but saw it on this list) Apport Update-notifier and update-notifier-common (chron job needs disabling if IP addresses require concealment) Flashplugin-installer (depends on update-notifier-common) Ardour (reported to phone home) Lightworks (nonfree, has phone-home activation) Chromium (requires disabling Google services) Chrome (closed, cannot disable all the Google spyware) Firefox, details below: Google prefs cookie-disable all safebrowsing then delete all cookies to disable Google safebrowsing service itself Cisco H264 codec in Firefox (auto-updates) disable in plugins and remove URL's in about: config On 7/12/2015 at 7:29 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mardorf@alice- dsl.net wrote: On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 12:11:37 +0200, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: However a good guideline or tutorial on how to set up your system like for instance with Luke's experience would be great. A Wiki is a good idea, OTOH there is already much information available. Users need to consider if a secure computer makes sense when they Add to an Amzone Cart and publish their diary at Facebook and they 24/365 carry a turned on mobile. To become a rocket scientists, we can't simply switch from watching The Bold And The Beautiful to watching Into the Universe with Stephen Hawking. We need to dig deeper and perhaps change our lifestyle. Oops, I should subscribe with several email accounts and set up mailman to send list mail to just one account. Begin forwarded message: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 12:50:43 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf ...@rocketmail.com To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware? On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:21:34 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote: Perhaps Ralf and lukefromdc wants to search through the packages to establish a list of homecry software, vs. cool software? No-go: Apport, Whoopsie, all that stuff from Canonical that recommends Amazone or similar https://stallman.org/amazon.html, that spies if a user runs desktop searches etc.. Within the next days or weeks I plan to tidy up my hard disk drives [1], to replace my Arch Linux's VirtualBox Win XP with a KVM, QEMU, virt-manager Win 7 and then to install an Ubuntu Studio 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Daily Build [2], perhaps Alpha 2 on July 30th [3]. However, regarding the default browser I wonder if Firefox should be replaced. Most of the times I'm using Firefox, Pale Moon and QupZilla. I can't say much about differences regarding security, but all three are a PITA because
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?
One of the first things to do is install Wireshark, get it running, and then engage in a variety of offline actions with no browser running but connected to the network. Trap every IP address you see, then open a browser and enter each IP address and find out what it is. This is how I found that Ubuntu's flashplugin-installer has a dependency that phones home, namely the cron job in update-notifier-common. After getting rid of that, I can now run the system at idle, even with the browser open, and the only way any IP addresses external to my setup show up in Wireshark is if a web page is open in browser that updates itself. Otherwise no traffic. In short, every system is different, and Wireshark will find everything except anything that starts and finishes before you can get Wireshark running. I have not yet used wireshark from one machine to monitor another but that would be the way to check the whole boot process. Here is a partial list of known problems that I have found: Unity remote lenses (all of them) Any kind of desktop remote search service Mate-panel clock applet if and only if configured with a location to show weather Popularity-contest (obvious)] Whoopsie (never had it installed but saw it on this list) Apport Update-notifier and update-notifier-common (chron job needs disabling if IP addresses require concealment) Flashplugin-installer (depends on update-notifier-common) Ardour (reported to phone home) Lightworks (nonfree, has phone-home activation) Chromium (requires disabling Google services) Chrome (closed, cannot disable all the Google spyware) Firefox, details below: Google prefs cookie-disable all safebrowsing then delete all cookies to disable Google safebrowsing service itself Cisco H264 codec in Firefox (auto-updates) disable in plugins and remove URL's in about: config On 7/12/2015 at 7:29 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 12:11:37 +0200, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: However a good guideline or tutorial on how to set up your system like for instance with Luke's experience would be great. A Wiki is a good idea, OTOH there is already much information available. Users need to consider if a secure computer makes sense when they Add to an Amzone Cart and publish their diary at Facebook and they 24/365 carry a turned on mobile. To become a rocket scientists, we can't simply switch from watching The Bold And The Beautiful to watching Into the Universe with Stephen Hawking. We need to dig deeper and perhaps change our lifestyle. Oops, I should subscribe with several email accounts and set up mailman to send list mail to just one account. Begin forwarded message: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 12:50:43 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf ...@rocketmail.com To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware? On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:21:34 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote: Perhaps Ralf and lukefromdc wants to search through the packages to establish a list of homecry software, vs. cool software? No-go: Apport, Whoopsie, all that stuff from Canonical that recommends Amazone or similar https://stallman.org/amazon.html, that spies if a user runs desktop searches etc.. Within the next days or weeks I plan to tidy up my hard disk drives [1], to replace my Arch Linux's VirtualBox Win XP with a KVM, QEMU, virt-manager Win 7 and then to install an Ubuntu Studio 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Daily Build [2], perhaps Alpha 2 on July 30th [3]. However, regarding the default browser I wonder if Firefox should be replaced. Most of the times I'm using Firefox, Pale Moon and QupZilla. I can't say much about differences regarding security, but all three are a PITA because they ignore environment font sizes, the menu fonts are much to small, only QupZilla has a usable history, but regarding security users perhaps don't want a history at all and QupZilla can't use Firefox add-on. Most important seems to be the user's browser preferences. I wonder that Firefox still is that much used, since QupZill and Pale Moon likely perform better than Firefox. Perhaps QupZilla less often gets unresponsive when waiting for action of a website, than Firefox and Pale Moon do, but I didn't really test this. Since Paul Davis calls me names, for claims that were not made by me, but e.g. by Len and others or when Paul Davis simply is mistaken and because he bans my mails, just sometimes replies without reading them, it's hard for me to e.g. find out how risky Ardour update checks are. Since Len was mentioned at the last Ardour release's special thanx too-list he might could find out easier, if Ardour is an app that could be recommended regarding security needs. Personally I seldom care about security for my computer usage, I just dislike myth about security. Btw. some links that were posted in a FreeBSD mailing list within the last days: OpenSSH http://undeadly.org/cgi?action
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?
ANY paid VPN is not in my opinion a viable security option because it can be traced throuigh the means of payment. Tor is not paid and therefore not traceable by banking records. If you want to use a paid VPN for activity disfavored by the government where you live, I recommend using a provider in another country, one not allied with your government of the day. On 7/12/2015 at 3:00 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 18:16:49 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Let me know if starting with a default Firefox you still get the Google prefs cookie after this. It's on my loong todo list. Also on my todo list is reading more opinions about VPN. https://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/07/08/is-your-vpn-legit-or-shit/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?
One of the most important things you can do to protect yourself is to ensure that Google does not get your surfing history. If you use the safebrowsing database (phishing protection), Google gets a record of every URL you attempt to reach. This is probably a major resource used by the FBI, NSA, et all to spy on people. It is also known that Google search histories are widely turned to by law enforcement. Therefore, the single most important things you can do in Firefox is probably: 1: disable safebrowsing by turning off block reported attack sites and block reported web forgeries. Having done this be sure never to bank online! After that you need to 3: Delete all cookies once to permanently remove the Google prefs cookie 4: Disable all 3ed party cookies, no exceptions Just to be sure, 4: go to about: config, enter the names google facebook and twitter and delete all URL's except for any blacklists you may have set. At this point your browser is no longer an active piece of Google spyware, but there are other ways to spy on users with any browser. Securing browsers against this to the levels required for the kind of work I do is a discussion of it's own and is always changing. Right now I use NoScript, Ghostery (set to block, not just list trackers!), and CanvasBlocker, but this is an ever-evolving arms race against commercial trackers. At this time the NSA is known to exploit tracking cookies but I have not heard of any court cases where ad or tracker data was used in open court to identify someone for a warrant or as evidence to secure a conviction. Like in chess however, I seek to stay several moves ahead of my enemies. On 7/10/2015 at 3:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: A few days ago I tested Anomos without success :(. http://anomos.info/ Is anybody using Facebook or Twitter or something similar? I simply don't use it, because I dislike it, but I will invite all of you to my linkcrap friends. I hoped people would join d-community-offtopic for this discussion. This is what I already replied to a Xubuntu users list subscriber: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/d-community-offtopic/2015- July/000940.html Currently I'm not using Pale Moon with http://www.palemoon.org/commander.shtml to e.g. disable geolocation. QupZilla allows to manage HTML5 permissions by the default settings. And using Firefox's about:config there should be an option to disable some phone home to Google crap used by a default Firefox. After faking an IP when using a web browser dubious offers from neighbourhood folks aren't really from the neighbourhood anymore, but most likely they are still from women :D. Regards, Ralf Off-topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology More off-topic: For music research I installed a web browser named Vivaldi. I set up http://www.wolframalpha.com/examples/Music.html as the default home page. I never used it, so I don't know, if the Vivaldi web browser is ok and I don't know how good, bad or ugly http://www.wolframalpha.com/examples/Music.html is. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?
Thanks for the update about Ardour. That tells me never to install it in a network-connected machine. On 7/10/2015 at 5:01 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:03:13 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote: On Fri, 10 Jul 2015, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: ALL software that reports back to its authors (phones home) can place users in certain categories in physical danger. Here's an example: UbuntuStudio or any other Linux media distro is likely to be used by social activists media makers like myself. I do not know how intrusive it is, but Ardour checks for new versions. I do not know if this is just the ardour.org binaries or the debian/ubuntu versions as well. So does Sylpheed too, while the update check is disabled :( or maybe I disabled it by the dialog box that popped up a few days ago, if so, it at least was checked by default. At least in the past Opera did this too, but web browsers anyway tend to do strange things in the background. Since Opera has got a custom license I don't care, but I dislike if native Linux software by default connects to the Internet, doing things without permission to do. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?
The issue he reported came from safebrowsing setting a Google prefs cookie that could not be individually deleted. It can be deleted by deleting ALL cookies, returns on next use of the browser with safebrowsing enabled. The prefs cookie gets special handling, you have to delete ALL cookies to force making a new cookie databse without it. The individual cookie deletion system does NOT delete the Google prefs cookie. I never see that cookie with my setup, but I've gone through about/config disabling a hell of a lot of stuff. Go into about:config. search safebrowsing and disable everything, blank out all URL's just to be safe. Then delete all cookies. Let me know if starting with a default Firefox you still get the Google prefs cookie after this. On 7/11/2015 at 3:28 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:02:58 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: 4: go to about: config, enter the names google facebook and twitter and delete all URL's except for any blacklists you may have set. I don't remember what to disable in about:config at the moment, but disabling block reported attack sites and block reported web forgeries in the preferences and deleting URLs in about:config isn't enough. I know somebody who tested Firefox regarding recurring Google issues. Likely I'll forget to ask him, but I try to keep it in mind. On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:04:20 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Thanks for the update about Ardour. That tells me never to install it in a network-connected machine. On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:03:13 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote: I do not know how intrusive it is, but Ardour checks for new versions. I do not know if this is just the ardour.org binaries or the debian/ubuntu versions as well. I also try to remember this and next time a new version is provided by Arch, I will not upgrade and run Ardour4 to see if Ardour build from source does also check for upgrades. Arch likely more often will update Ardour than Ubuntu does. At the moment both distros use the same version. Package: ardour3 (4.1~dfsg-1) - http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/ardour3 Arch Linux (rolling release that follows upstream) $ pacman -Q ardour2 ardour ardour2 2.8.16-1 ardour 4.1-1 -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Harvid?
I've had to build ffmpeg from source an pack it into debs carrying fake libav versioning for well over a year to get kdenlive to work right with AVCHD files. This also requires getting mpv from a PPA because it has to be compiled for one or the other not to error out at runtime. On 6/24/2015 at 8:54 AM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2015, Grant Frank Burton wrote: harvid... the video worked but the sound not.. ffprobe ffmpeg missing. looks like someone is working on it so I'll try again in a few days to see if it works. I found it easier to open the file in audacity fix it and import it back into Ardour. Debian and Ubuntu right now still use libav instead of ffmpeg. It appears Debian has given up on the idea and is reintroducing ffmpeg to the repos as a choice. I expect libav will die a while after that. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] wily in gedit bottom of page appears and disappears
Gedit 3.10 as used in Ubuntu is now very old, if it has been rebuilt over gtk3.16 this may be the problem! in Gtk 3.16 the overlay scrollbars create issues with covering content and blocking editing. Blocking this requires setting the environmental variable GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0 before calling the application. I start my entire MATE session this way due to all the GTK3.16 scrollbar issues but I have the overlay scrollbars without this issue in Pluma built with gtk3.16 when editing files as root. I also still have an older Ubuntu version of gedit 3.10 built with an older version of gtk3 but running over gtk3.16 without issues,. Only the bottom line can be covered by the scrollbar, but in some apps about 1/2 inch of space can be covered with the theme background color. Synaptic has this behavior, for instance. Pluma built with gtk2 is guaranteed not to have this problem,looks and works exactly like previous gedit3.10 in the right theme, and is a standalone that can even be run in a MATE-gtk3 environment, though it cannot be built with gtk2 over a gtk3 MATE install. This is s quick fix, using any released version of Pluma with gtk2 from existing repos. Pluma is maintained, Gedit 3.10 is not. Tne 1.10.0 release has an ugly statusbar issue whe built with gtk3 but the newest git code has the fixes for this. They went upstream after I fixed half the problem myself and submitted a patch. Someone else found the other half and both fixes are now used together. The newest Pluma 1.10.0 with all the newest fixes from git https://github.com/mate-desktop/pluma will build and run just fine with gtk3.16, I've had no issues with it. I have run it without getting disappearing text issues in Debian Unstable updated to gtk3.16, similar to the gtk3.16 that is now in Wily's repos. Only the scrollbars are screwy, and in my setup only when invoked as root and thus ignoring my session-wide environmental variable. On 6/13/2015 at 9:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 14:29:51 +0200, Grant Frank Burton wrote: Greetings all in gedit bottom of page appears and disappears. there is no way to edit the bottom lines of text document already saved. I seen several people report similar things but I think mine is different. so I made a screen video in case you want to see. gedit-error 2015-06-13.mp4 https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7_fHqdHPVwkSDFMeEJkRmFWTXM/edit? usp=drive_web Such issues, at a rough guess a few thousands similar issues, in my experiences are normal for modern GTK3 applications. The perfect replacement is the GTK2 version of Pluma. It's the Mate replacement for Gedit, optionally compiled against GTK2 or GTK3. A few recommendations SpaceFM GTK2 version is much better than Thunar, I never tested the GTK3 version. ROXTerm is GTK3, but anyway the best available terminal emulation, e.g. list a directory and then resize the xfce4-terminal window or test any other terminal emulation and then check ROXTerm. I'm used to Pluma GTK2, but sublime-text GTK2 likely is one of the best editors, there are a few editors, that are better then Gedit is. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] wily-dvd-i386.iso
Re: Kdenlive: The current 15.04 PPA versions work quite well, the only new bugs I have encountered is that the pending job render dialog does not display time remaining nor how long a render job too. Also, when saving a project the default .kdenlive extension name is not applied. On 6/8/2015 at 9:58 AM, Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Grant Frank Burton bbbaby...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike I like to help with kdenlive Ardour so I guess with JACK and video inputs. ubuntustudio in general on a 32bit system. Iv'e been downloading from here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/340/builds/95273/down loads with ZSYNC, Http and RSYNC. They all fail Should I log-in at that page and write the installation failed? I can't Set Up A Basic Developer Environment if I Can't install the program right? if you just want to get used to using the tracker, and reporting, you can report there, otherwise, the iso's are not being tested right now, so, they will break between now and the testing milestones. so, to recap, the iso's for *all* the 15.10 ubuntu flavors will break often, likely, between now and release in october. if i may define, and outline what i see as your goals here, and give you some direction. you seem to be trying to install 15.10. have you tried the dailly iso's? there are builds daily, and thats the first place i would try, with the expectation that those iso's can be broken, as well, and, that there will be nothing in place, as far as support for fixing them, or addressing the breakage, specifically. i would go to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/pending/ and for the 32bit, using http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/pending/wily-dvd- i386.iso specifically. i would then, step back through the released iso's til i find the one i need that works.. i could also install *any* 15.10 flavor iso, and add whatever ubuntustudio packages to it, after install. this would get me the 15.10 environment, where, i would be able to test, and report bugs, etc.. i would /join #ubuntu+1 on freenode IRC, and keep track of what is broken, and when to upgrade, and more importantly, when to *not* upgrade. to help with ardour, kdenlive, and jack, you may want to go upstream to those communities. we dont actually contribute any code upstream to them from the ubuntustudio community. one thing in ubuntu specifically relating to those projects that could use attention would be, the potential backporting of newer versions to the 14.04 LTS version of ubuntu. could be, you ask the kdenlive team about testing and development, and you are able to use the PPA they have https://launchpad.net/~sunab/+archive/ubuntu/kdenlive-svn for testing the latest versions. you would be able to do that from 14.04, or 15.04. any testing or development done there would be upstream, and trickle into most linux distro repositories automatically. ardour and jack also have thriving development and testing communities upstream. i say, choose one that you are most interested in, and ask them if they need help. for you, i say, separate these issues you are trying to address out, and tackle one at a time. if you want to get 15.10 installed, go for that, though, keep in mind, to help develop ardour, jack, and/or kdenlive, you dont need the development version of ubuntu installed. you'll have to ask in those communities what they need and suggest for you to assist with development. it could be, and is quite likely, that the version of the software in even our upcoming 15.10 release repos is older than what the teams are using for development. so, how can i help you on the next step? installing 15.10? please try the most recent daily iso from the link above. cheers! On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Grant Frank Burton bbbaby...@gmail.com wrote: for me I tried every thing different pen drives, different hard disk, different DVD's DVD drives, nothing works. The 32 bit 14.02 works great and every 64 bit version do install. I made a video so I could see what the screen say's... [ok] Reached target Network is Online, Start LSB: Tool to automation My Collect and submit Kernel crash signatures [ok]Start LSB: Tool to automation My Collect and submit Kernel crash signatures [*]A start job is running for wait for plymouth root screen to Quit (40s / no limit) My other computers are 64 bit so I don't have another 32 bit system to try it on. There are a lot of people here who have this computer, most of them sitting in the corner or in a closet so... that's why I using this system. Also a lot of people in Africa still use it. My personal opinion is The HP Pavilion media-center is crap. But Ubuntu is the only operating system I could almost to get the thing to work right so thanks guys keep up the good work! hello again,
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] wily-dvd-i386.iso
This sounds like a bug in the gtk theme. My main setup is
very hacked, now having migrated in place to Debian Unstable
with MATE but I saw a similar issue in lightdm if my gtk theme
set the default background in the wrong place. The pair of css
stazas below will work, using the .background element sets up
the background without drawing it over lightdm.
* {
color:@theme_fg_color;
}
.background {
background-color: @theme_bg_color;
border-style: none;
}
This stanza will NOT work, in my theme with the old UbuntuStudio
gray widget background lightdm turns that color:
* {
background-color: @theme_bg_color;
color:@theme_fg_color;
}
I have the gtk greeter, the greeter window rendered above that grey
background. Perhaps the Unity greeter renders it underneath that
background? Lightdm in general has had issue with rendering elements
with the wrong Z values, at one time hiding panel elements under
the panel for instance.
On 6/8/2015 at 7:01 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, rue wrote:
I don't get a white screen when booting just a black screen and
then the light
dm login window. I've noticed the nice boot anamation when
booting live mode
does not work after you have installed it to your HDD., which is
a shame teally,
its the best one out there
I get the boot animation in both places, booting to ISO and
booting after
install. Getting the animation or not generally has to do with the
video
driver. I have had that off and on when I had the nvidia
graphics... I
think when I was using the free drivers. The white screen I get is
instead
of the login window... or hiding the login window.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Missing feature desktop recording
I've sometimes had issues with RecordMyDesktop dropping the last part of the video file. Workaround is to let it run about 1 1/2 times the amount of time you actually need to record. I was still using the Cinnamon DE when I last tested this, wonder if that was the issue? I know RecordMyDesktop pops up warnings/statements when run with compiz, wonder if there were worse issues in mutter/muffin? If RecordMyDesktop gives good results in XFCE or otherwise with compositing turned off, that might be the best workaround. If it does I might want to test it with every DE I have to measure how much of the video file it actually gets. On 6/3/2015 at 12:38 PM, ttoine tto...@ttoine.net wrote: I don't have any issue with RecordMyDesktop with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. (except that yes, you have to wait a bit to get the video). An other solution to get the stream of Webcam or Firewire or any other video source, is to use Open Broadcaster Software https://obsproject.com/, and record instead of stream. However, you have to add a PPA at the moment to install it. And of course, VLC is also a good solution, however it does not capture the mouse pointer. Antoine THOMAS Tél: 0663137906 2015-06-03 17:14 GMT+02:00 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me: On Wed, Jun 3, 2015, at 04:33 PM, Grant Frank Burton wrote: It would be nice if there was a video capture feature/VCR independent of any program. I tried to make a video with RecordMyDesktop but…. The select window feature. you can't see the lines and it works really funny. Also the sound is a few seconds behind the video and it takes a long time to process the video. Kazam works great and the video is ready in less then a minute and you can save it or open it up with your favorite program. It would be great if Kazam could connect to webcam, firewire or TV Thanks I'm making a note of that here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio- meta/+spec/ubuntustudio-video-x . This is where we currently make suggestions to changes for our video meta package. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Introduction.
There is no root? Technically that's incorrect, there is always the root user of the system, even if the root account is disabled for terminal/console login. Root login in disabled by default in Ubuntu, though that can easily be changed. I have heard reports of people having to log in root to get audio applications to use realtime due to various bugs, I would recommend that any machine used this way never be networked. On 5/31/2015 at 1:27 PM, Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 30, 2015, Grant Burton bbbaby...@gmail.com wrote: ok thanks one thing new the terminal works different, I need a root terminal, I done this a lot of times and never has this happen before. normally sudo is enough Everything is correct. The TV works but the s-video and the other input don't. even in TVTime it's not possible to change the input. So I'll check the users list then move-on if there is no solution Solution to what? There is no root. You can have a root terminal many ways. sudo -s for example. What are you trying to accomplish? You should try and run as little as root as possible. On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Ross Gammon retail@the- gammons.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ret...@the-gammons.net'); wrote: On 05/30/2015 12:49 PM, Grant Burton wrote: Hi Ross Thanks https://launchpad.net/~bbbabynet IRC is bbbabynet I'll start reading whats on the links but since I upgraded I think I have programs that aren't being tested like,( video which don't work at all now and xcine where only the sound works) I need to make a video today so I'm going to try to fix the TV card first. The last time it was because studio detects the card as an Asus, which it is but that's not the one that works so... I've got to keep changing the saa7134.conf until I find the numbers that work. I'll also try to assemble a video in kdenlive to see how it goes. If you get stuck, it is a good idea to ask on the ubuntu-studio- users list. The list has more people on it, and therefore a wider range of experience and hardware. It is likely that someone has already been through the same issue. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio- de...@lists.ubuntu.com'); Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH likethecow.com -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Feature Definition Discussion: Multimedia Application Categorization
Separating non-free packages and especially those for which no source code is available is important. One reason people use Linux distros is for safety in handling sensitive data. Any FOSS multimedia is disproportionaltely likely to be chosen by activists media crew all over the world, including places where leaked raw video, audio, or name/address/phone/email lists get people tortured and killed. For years I've blacklisted any and all closed applications. This is because one can be sure their code has not been audited for back doors, thus a paid-off programmer could insert policeware at any time. My machines carry sensitive raw clips on encrypted disks, any closed app has to be treated as a keylogger or data theft threat. Lightworks is a potential example here: As a video editor it has access to raw clips. At last report source code has yet to be released. It uses a phone-home licensing system. All of that points to many opportunities for malicious access to raw clips, perhaps even covertly over the objection of all but one of the Lightworks devs. A menu and app installer system that simply lists Lightworks, Openshot, and Kdenlive together, with only a single license line of text identifying which one is free software, could put those better skilled at shooting video than identifying safe software on global front lines at risk. On 5/27/2015 at 1:11 PM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: Here's a new blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/multimedia- application-categorization The feature definition page at the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/MultimediaA pplicationCategorization Notable are the three pages that show packages for the Debian sections sound(audio), graphics and video: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Wily/AudioApplications https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Wily/GraphicsApplications https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Wily/VideoApplications One problem remains. There's no distinction between free and non free packages right now. I will develop this further. Also, if you think of something that should be changed at this point, please tell. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] MenuLibre
MATE has Mozo, a fork of Alacarte but right now it seems to be broken on both Ubuntu and Debian, generating this error: File /usr/bin/mozo, line 22, in module from Mozo.MainWindow import MainWindow ImportError: No module named Mozo.MainWindow Surely this will get fixed and then there will be another option. On 5/19/2015 at 6:57 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: We have MenuLibre in our set of files (this is the xfce version of alacart) and I just tried it out. I don't like the way it works :) It is version 2.0.4 and may have gotten better. Anyway I just changed an icon for one application and after that there was only this one application in one of our menus :P This was in 14.04 LTS and I have yet to try it in V or W. It may have been fixed :) But, when I looked at the file structure, it creates a whole duplicate of the system menu (with studio.menu merged) in ~/.config/menus and adds the changed file as a stub to that. This means that any change we would make to the system file to fix a bug would not help a user who had made any change in their menu at all. I was hoping to use MenuLibre and remove the gnome Alacart, but it seems this is not a good idea at this time. I need to talk to the author I guess. What I did learn... is that using MergeFile type=parent may let us use any layout we wish but may break some DEs because we may end up specifying an app that they don't have. I will have to study this a bit (a lot) more. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Menu Layout
The proposed new submenus https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/UbuntuStudioMenu are a lot clearer than the 15.04 submenus. On 5/19/2015 at 9:08 AM, Set Hallström sakrec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, First things first: Len, i think you have very good points and it's obviously passion not ranting :) Your goal is honorable, i really hope for the same turn out as you. I must say this discussion is a bit confusing to me, 3 things come out to me: - We want to follow the freedesktop standard, - We all seem to agree freedesktop isn't flexible enough our case... - we have actually been breaking the standard for a long time... Having this written, Kaj: Excellent job on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/UbuntuStudi oMenu It's clean and purposeful. Putting publishing under graphics is a tricky move, but it makes sense in many ways. I wonder if brasero would fit there like that. Brasero is obviously a home-publishing tool. but it's not very much of a graphic application. Perhaps it's ok to have it repeating itself in the various wrokflows? Like Kaj states in the last message before mine, we are redefining the hole workflow concept here, unless we take a stance for having a menu that isn't reflecting the workflow concept. Which i think will create confusion on the long run. I remember being told that we could rework those workflows, but that it would be feasible for later versions like 16.04... Is this really a goal for 15.10? Blueprint deadline is dangerously close to now. What about that indicator solution (i'm sorry, i have forgotten who brought it up on the IRC channel) for integrating the ubustu menu in other DE's? Looking forward to read you all, -- Set Hallström -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
Kdenlive comes with a lot of dependencies but also a hell of a lot of capability combined with a GUI not as different from the paid video editors as blender's video editing GUI. It does add a lot of dependencies, but lots of times someone ends up needing one KDE application anyway, Right now the real ugliness is having anything that depends on KDE 4 plus something that depends on kf5, as the newest version of kdenlive does. That should soon be resolved. Kdenlive is also an official part of the KDE 5 software suite (whatever it's official name is) and will probably thus end up a default install in Kubuntu at some point. On 5/12/2015 at 6:58 AM, ttoine tto...@ttoine.net wrote: I agree, we need one simple and one advanced. With kdenlive, however, come a lot of KDE dependencies. It will add weight to install I so, and is not great for performance. Blender is a desktop agnostic application, that is why it is my main choice, + you can use it in jacks, sync transport with ardour, and many more. Maybe we can create a custom user profile dedicated for video editing, and have a standard launcher for 3D ? Le 12 mai 2015 12:32, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com a écrit : On 2015-05-12 12:29, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: I don't see Blender replacing PiTiVi and/or OpenShot. We have not worked that much with the categories yet but in my view: -= Simple Video Editor =- PiTiVi vs OpenShot -= Advanced Video Editor =- Kdenlive vs Blender I think we need both an easy option similar to what is presented on Windows and Mac platforms as well as a more advanced application for creating more advance videos. /Jimmy That's a great idea! I'm 700% down with you on it :) -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
One thing about Openshot: It shares the same backend as kdenlive, but you must make sure that in a finished distro they are both depending on the same versions of melt or installing one blocks the other. I've run into this with ppa versions of kdenlive blocking openshot from installing. I was alwasy curious to see what Openshot was doing and thus often installed it for testing, On 5/12/2015 at 5:44 AM, ttoine tto...@ttoine.net wrote: Pitivi is being completely rewriten and the current 0.94 is miss a few thing, and is quite stable. Openshot is not stable, that it a real issue. Otherwise it would be a good alternative to iMovie. Blender can be very interesting, but it needs some preparation to really be focused on Video. (I mean, if you want to use it just for that, and have quite the same look'n feel than other NLE). A good solution could be to integrate the Blender Velvets in Ubuntu Studio: http://blendervelvets.org/ This is a set of Blender plugins to add, that will correct keyboard shorcuts, add Ardour sync for complete audio edition, and other very useful addons, focused on video editing. What do you think of this idea ? Antoine Antoine THOMAS Tél: 0663137906 2015-05-12 11:03 GMT+02:00 Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com: My frustration issues with pitivi and openshot are not the lack of features, its stability. They both hate my hair and have forced me to pull it off too many times. My first editing was on iMovie then later finalcut, then kdenliv and finaly blender. My opinion about blender is that it's erroneous to reduce blender to a mere 3d editing/animation software. The way i see it, it's a complete movie making suit. A merge of 3ds max, finalcut, aftereffects and photoshop in one single piece of aprox 200mb software. I'm sure you have all seen Tears of Steel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6MlUcmOul8 This movie was made 3 years ago: LOTS of things have happened since. While i agree that blender has particularly unique interface, video editing is NEVER easy. Like Jimmy wrote: Kdenlive is quite powerful, but not the best GUI. This might have changed with the latest version though. You can with some work do a lot but it _more often require google skills_ and reading forums to understand how to do it. I think this applies to any video software, from a beginner point of view. No matter what level, the user is physically alone with it's version of ubuntustudio, hence no matter what video software we put there, what jimmy wrote applies: I think it's a big step for someone new to linux to give them an advance 3D application, here go do some videos! This said, due to their pedagogic approach, i can see why either openshot or pitivi should stay. But i firmly believe we should pick out one. Kaj: There is a way to start blender with a different set of Environment Variables including $BLENDER_USER_CONFIG (Directory for user configuration files.) So it feasible. Now, misunderstand me right, i'm open to include all of them as it is now. But i think it would be less confusing with less choices. This is solely based on my own expertise, where i have spent many hours working with one, to realize in frustration that i should have started with another one in the first place Let's find a good sollution :) Have a great day y'all! *set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
Be careful not to over-simplify, that's part of what a lot of people don't like about GNOME these days. On 5/12/2015 at 9:21 AM, ttoine tto...@ttoine.net wrote: I agree, we need more simplification. Le 12 mai 2015 12:49, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com a écrit : While we are at it with the ubuntustudio-video X, I would also like to propose the following: - Remove the Audio editing subcategory - Remove inkscape - Move Brasero and DVD styler to ubuntustudio-publishing-x I can see why inkscape fits, since you might want to create title cards and such, but i'm assuming that someone interested in video will also want to have the graphic workflow. Same goes for audio- editing. I think i can comfortably state that Video sort of implies audio by nature. What do you think? -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X
Lightworks is not Free and not open source at this time. It also phones home for licensing just like in Windows, and without the source you do not know what it is sending. No way I'm giving a blob known to phone home access to my raw clips, given that I shoot activist news videos from places like Baltimore. Cinelerra does not seem to have kept up with the codecs, at least as installed in Ubuntu from one of the PPA's I've used. My camera shoots in AVCHD and Cinelerra can't use those files. I used to use Cinelerra to clean up choppy video from a 20fps camera that sometimes shot duplicate frames-but usually worked on the output from a kdenlive render job to do this. Today Shotcut can do a better job of that sort of interpolation. Kdenlive has a much better GUI than Cinelerra to many, myself included. On the other hand, I suspect people who edit video judge all video editor interfaces by how similar they are to the first video editor they put a lot of time into using! To me, it's about how easy it is for a kdenlive user to use any other editor, for example. If someone learned to edit video on Blender and got to the point of being proficient with Blender's keyboard shortcuts, that might turn all other video editor interfaces into clunky, hard to use throwbacks for that user. In short, video interfaces are like DE's and I think people will always judge them by what they learned on. On 5/11/2015 at 8:39 AM, WMID wachin...@gmail.com wrote: Jimm can you said me the name of this Swedish film maker who's latest project are entirely done in Kdenlive, and the web page, or the youtube channel 2015-05-11 7:32 GMT-05:00 Jimmy Sjölund ji...@sjolund.se: On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! On 2015-05-11 10:25, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Blueprint changed by Jimmy Sjölund: Whiteboard set to: - Investige implication of Kdenlive becoming official KDE application and future development, impact of kde libraries etc.: TODO This is an interesting question! At the moment, there are 4 choices for video editing: - ptivi, - openshot - kdenlive, - blender On a personal note, i have to confess that ptivi and openshot have given me nothing but frustrations. They are the reason i installed kdenlive back when it was not included in ubuntustudio. I also believe kdenlive is the only reason i have kde libraires. While i must say Kdenlive is a great tool, Blender VSE has become amazingly powerful. So much that i had almost forgotten about kdenlive all together... The reason I put it up there is to check if it will affect Ubuntu Studio or not. It could be that it will continue to work just as before, but it raised some questions when I read Kdenlive's latest updates: --- We stick to KDE Applications release schedule, which means one bugfix release every month, one feature improved version every 4 months. Since we are now based on Qt5/KF5, you NEED KDE Frameworks 5 to run Kdenlive. You will have to run a recent distribution offering KF5, this may be problematic at the beginning (you can stick to 0.9.10)... --- So it could be that 0.9.10 would be that last version for Ubuntu Studio, or not. I have tried several video editors over the year and they all have their advantages and disadvantages. PiTiVi and openshot I would say are in the same category, easy to do home videos but not suitable for any medium or advanced editing. Making a amateur home music video with more than one video and one audio file is IMHO a mess. Kdenlive is quite powerful, but not the best GUI. This might have changed with the latest version though. You can with some work do a lot but it more often require google skills and reading forums to understand how to do it. Not click-and-drag like in Mac or Windows environments. Blender, to me, is more of a 3D application and not really a video editor even though you would be able to do a music video in Blender. I think it's a big step for someone new to linux to give them an advance 3D application, here go do some videos! So far Kdenlive have been the least worst choice. I know a Swedish film maker who's latest project are entirely done in Kdenlive. Then there is Lightworks and Cinelerra which are on the advanced side. They have a bit of more tricky licensing, but I haven't studied them in detail. /Jimmy -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Washington Indacochea Delgado -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Graphics Categories
Ubuntustudio-menu 0.19 works just fine in MATE. My mate-menus package is built with gtk3 like the rest of my MATE install, but that's not one of my hacked packages so it should also work fine with regular MATE built with gtk2. No need for custom layout hackery-but that's NOT true for all DE's as you have noted. I had plenty of trouble in cairo-dock last Fall and had to resort to a custom layout file. On 5/11/2015 at 12:29 AM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Sun, 10 May 2015, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: One fix for menu item position bugs is to manually set them up in the layout file for the MAIN menu, but this would require a package that replaces, provides, and conflicts with the normal menu package. I've done exactly this kind of editing in my own systems at need, but never bothered to pack it up as a debian package due to that overwrite mess. That is exactly what we do now. Well ours does not conflict with the system menu... there is a spec for overriding the system menu in whole or in part. Our menu package works on xubuntu and KDE... but not stock xfce who refuse a bug fix. Or lxde who use the broken gnome menu spec. whisker works fine with things. The gnome3 classic menu does not do sub menus but dumps them in all together in one level higher creating anew the mess we are trying to avoid. The stock gnome menu file has one line at the top that should be at the bottom... unfortunately the one on freedesktop site is the same even though the text indicates it should work as if it was on the bottom. That is the user should be able to override the whole system menu. Kde keeps the logout menu item outside of the overridable area which is reasonable. Using xubuntu still seems the best thing (what we do now basically) with the least amount of fuss. KDE (like kxstudio) apparently has a bug just now that places some of the dialog boxes split down the middle of a two screen system rather than in the middle of one of the monitors. (warning... rant) Unity... is another ball game. I am beginning to think Unity is so much about the desktop experience that it does not matter that it breaks whatever software that was the reason for having a computer in the first place. Personally, I have a computer for what I can do with the apps, if the desktop doesn't run the apps I want to use, the desktop is broken. (end rant) Anyway, Unity doesn't do menus, they have a better plan... if you know the name of the application or it has a good set of categories, a simple search will find it. I personally had trouble finding search terms (out side of just listing all apps) that would find applications I knew I had. The new user would have pages and pages of apps (like on android) to search through if they wanted to find out what they had. For us on unity a replacement menu would be a must. I suspect it could be done with the indicator spec as they use it. I probably need to dl ubuntu vanilla again to play with. Looks wise we could take xubuntu (core or full) and just drop our menu/backdrop in plus applications and it would look the same as we have. There are almost no differences over the menu file and artwork. Kubuntu we might want a darker theme, but other wise the same thing. Lubuntu would require a small menu tweak... but I am waiting for the new DE based on qt to show up. It may end up being a winner too. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Graphics Categories
One fix for menu item position bugs is to manually set them up in the layout file for the MAIN menu, but this would require a package that replaces, provides, and conflicts with the normal menu package. I've done exactly this kind of editing in my own systems at need, but never bothered to pack it up as a debian package due to that overwrite mess. On 5/10/2015 at 7:09 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Sun, 10 May 2015, Ross Gammon wrote: On 05/10/2015 03:56 PM, Set Hallstrom wrote: To reorganize the graphics tool-set, I've been playing with the idea of 1 main categories called visuals holding a set of subcategories: | Visuals | 2d | 3d | video | publishing Would this be a possible take on the menu layout for the graphic applications? Hmm. This probably won't fit too well with the Freedesktop categories which are quite rigid [1]. For the visual applications, they can Besides rigid, one might add old and needing updating... and perhaps not followed by very many developers. really only go under Graphics or Video. It is possible to add a new category when it is completely missing from the standard ones with X- strings [2]. Maybe we should try sticking to the standard categories first and see what it would look like? A mess. :) try renaming /etc/xdg/menus/applications- merged/studio.menu to studio.unem and you will see what it looks like. Most likely the application you want to run is off the bottom of the screen somewhere in multimedia. (you can probably see this even in the menu on a live ISO) Really, the right categories are meant for a normal desktop with not too many appliactions, and those applications spread pretty evenly through the categories. The only category anyone has spent time to neaten up at all is the games category. Fixing categories is a major job that means going to developers, packagers and others fixing each package that may end up getting installed on STudio. I'm all for it but it may not be done by 16.04. It would be possible to make all our own *.desktop files, but maintaining one file is a lot easier than keeping up with a fleet of them. That said, there are some categories that could be used. I found that just putting Recording in our Audio Production sub menu puts all my versions of Ardour in there. A3, A4.0.0 and A4.0.240dbg right now. Maybe there are some other Categries that are there now that would work. It means going through the desktop files (by hand or script) and listing the categories as they are now. Some of the really bad (wrong) ones we can create diffs for and send them to the devs or packagers. More later -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [semi off-topic] Nearly done with fine detail port of modded US circa 2008 theme to Gtk 3.14 w matching Gtk2 version
Anyone installing this with the normal GTK2 build of MATE will essentially get back the whole interface of UbuntuStudio in 2008-2010, especially if they use one of the old wallpapers with it. This will change only slightly if Ubuntu builds MATE with gtk3 in the future, though the murrine engine in GTK2 renders the widgets a bit sharper than any screenshot copy can ever be. I did find that a white selected foreground color did NOT work in GTK3, so I used a light blue made by applying a brightness increase to the US blue. Otherwise gtk3 will not change the color of a selected folder in Caja-gtk3 at all, though it will sometime work in Nemo. I don't know how other file managers would react at all, I do recal having this same issue when I first rebased the theme on the E17 gtk3 theme's code. On 4/30/2015 at 1:01 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: Thanks Luke! I'll check this out in the coming days, and put it up in a package somewhere. Let you know where it is then. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [semi off-topic] Nearly done with fine detail port of modded US circa 2008 theme to Gtk 3.14 w matching Gtk2 version
You all are more than welcome to use any of the files I just sent you in part or in whole, any way you can. Any credit can simply go to Luke lukefro...@hushmail.com for the porting work along with credit to whoever in the team finalizes and polishes it. I will try out any test package myself in MATE, Cinnamon, GNOME 3, and KDE, which along with IceWM are the DE's I have installed. If the theme is called ubuntustudio-legacy it will have to temporarily replace my normal package by that name, anything else it can go in right alongside it. The mate-panel theme in gtk3 will be ignored by any gtk2 DE such as XFCE or a normal MATE gtk2 install. I doubt anyone else on this list will have a mate-gtk3 install around, though parts of it (panel and main menu) should also effect the gnome-fallback session if it still exists at that time. It is possible that gtk3 might be the MATE default by 16.04 however, if so feel free to use my panel theme or to revert it simply by removing the menu,calendar, and button themes in panel.css. On 4/29/2015 at 12:22 PM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: Sorry for not replying sooner. Wouldn't it be great to offer the classical theme as a choice for the next LTS, everyone? Do you have the source somewhere, Luke? We could make a test package of it, and see how it works? /Kaj -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Feature Spec Discussion: Desktop Agnostic
In addition to the desktop issue, there is another problem on the horizon: Ubuntu is beginning to transition away from using the Debian packaging format for the snappy system. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=Ubuntu-15.10-DEB-To-Snap For now that will be limited to the desktop-next spin, but I do not know their plans for the future. Word is the snappy images will themselves be built from debian packages, then distributed in the new format with a base image that is read-only and always the same. If all of the media handling and editing packages of even one workflow were installed on top of this in the click or any similar format, the result would be that installation disk space requirements would balloon to tens of GB, as each package would be essentially a portable version with all its own libraries. RAM requirements would also balloon for loading many copies of the same libraries when many programs are open, just like in Windows. I know a lot of energy is going into the whole phone/convergence thing, which is almost opposite what a big media editing workstation needs. What I am worried about is any future plan in which all flavors would be expected to ship as snappy images and it would become difficult for users like me to keep updating from either the alpha of the day or the latest release. Will Ubuntu commit to support for Debian packaged flavors at least through 16.04 if not indefinately? Real worst-case would be for existing installs to become abandoned, with no new debian packages available and having to update everything from upstream source! I do not know at this point if I can count on Ubuntu to keep supporting what I have installed, or should I start the laborious process of porting a very heavily modified OS to an entirely new distro. Alternative for me with the volume of custom built and hacked packages I use (MATE-gkt3 anyone?) might be to find some way to modify Gentoo's Portage system to work with an abandoned version of Ubuntu and source updates. I am really worried about this and looking at mountains of work if Ubuntu plans to drop the .deb. On 4/26/2015 at 7:05 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: Feature Spec wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/DesktopAgno stic Blueprint page: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/desktop- agnostic Let's talk about making Ubuntu Studio desktop agnostic. The idea is that while installing Ubuntu Studio, you'll be able to choose between a set of DEs. If we are to make this happen, we need to find our the best method for doing this. Also, we have not settled on whether or not we should have our own default DE once we are offering multiple choices. These choices will affect a lot of packages we have, so before we go further with planning for our metas and our installer, we should figure out this bit first. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LiveFS ubuntustudio/vivid/amd64 failed to build on 20150323
This should be easy to fix. I don't recall much of anything depending on upstart-bin anymore, I didn't have any issues removing it months ago in a general system cleanup, having used systemd since May last eyar. On 3/23/2015 at 2:20 PM, CD Image cdim...@nusakan.canonical.com wrote: RUN: /usr/share/launchpad-buildd/slavebin/slave-prep ['slave-prep'] Forking launchpad-buildd slave process... Kernel version: Linux aatxe 3.2.0-75-generic #110-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 16 19:11:55 UTC 2014 x86_64 Buildd toolchain package versions: launchpad-buildd_126 python- lpbuildd_126 bzr_2.5.1-0ubuntu2 dpkg-dev_1.16.1.2ubuntu7.5. Syncing the system clock with the buildd NTP service... 23 Mar 18:17:14 ntpdate[16837]: adjust time server 10.211.37.1 offset 0.000448 sec RUN: /usr/share/launchpad-buildd/slavebin/unpack-chroot ['unpack- chroot', 'LIVEFSBUILD-23273', '/home/buildd/filecache- default/a665269cbd0fd566602516993cd02903b7df1cae'] Unpacking chroot for build LIVEFSBUILD-23273 RUN: /usr/share/launchpad-buildd/slavebin/mount-chroot ['mount- chroot', 'LIVEFSBUILD-23273'] Mounting chroot for build LIVEFSBUILD-23273 RUN: /usr/share/launchpad-buildd/slavebin/override-sources-list ['override-sources-list', 'LIVEFSBUILD-23273', 'deb http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu vivid main universe'] Overriding sources.list in build-LIVEFSBUILD-23273 RUN: /usr/share/launchpad-buildd/slavebin/update-debian-chroot ['update-debian-chroot', 'LIVEFSBUILD-23273', 'amd64'] Updating debian chroot for build LIVEFSBUILD-23273 Ign http://ftpmaster.internal vivid InRelease Get:1 http://ftpmaster.internal vivid Release.gpg [933 B] Get:2 http://ftpmaster.internal vivid Release [217 kB] Get:3 http://ftpmaster.internal vivid/main amd64 Packages [1390 kB] Get:4 http://ftpmaster.internal vivid/universe amd64 Packages [6468 kB] Ign http://archive-team.internal vivid InRelease Ign http://archive-team.internal vivid Release.gpg Get:5 http://archive-team.internal vivid Release [728 B] Get:6 http://ftpmaster.internal vivid/main Translation-en [803 kB] Get:7 http://archive-team.internal vivid/main amd64 Packages Ign http://archive-team.internal vivid/main Translation-en Get:8 http://ftpmaster.internal vivid/universe Translation-en [4448 kB] Fetched 13.3 MB in 4s (2925 kB/s) Reading package lists... Reading package lists... Building dependency tree... Reading state information... The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libisl10 libsystemd-journal0 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following NEW packages will be installed: gcc-5-base libisl13 libsystemd0 The following packages will be upgraded: apt apt-transport-https base-files base-passwd bash binutils bsdutils busybox-initramfs bzip2 ca-certificates coreutils cpio cpp cpp- 4.9 debconf dpkg dpkg-dev e2fslibs e2fsprogs fakeroot findutils g++ g++-4.9 gcc gcc-4.9 gcc-4.9-base gnupg gpgv grep gzip ifupdown init-system-helpers initramfs-tools initramfs-tools-bin initscripts insserv libacl1 libapt-pkg4.12 libasan1 libasn1-8-heimdal libatomic1 libblkid1 libbz2-1.0 libc-bin libc-dev-bin libc6 libc6-dev libcap2 libcgmanager0 libcilkrts5 libcloog-isl4 libcomerr2 libcurl3-gnutls libdb5.3 libdbus-1-3 libdebconfclient0 libdpkg-perl libdrm2 libfakeroot libffi6 libgcc-4.9-dev libgcc1 libgcrypt20 libgdbm3 libgmp10 libgnutls-deb0-28 libgomp1 libgpg-error0 libgssapi-krb5-2 libgssapi3-heimdal libhcrypto4- heimdal libheimbase1-heimdal libheimntlm0-heimdal libhogweed2 libhx509-5- heimdal libitm1 libjson-c2 libjson0 libk5crypto3 libkrb5-26-heimdal libkrb5-3 libkrb5support0 libldap-2.4-2 liblsan0 libmount1 libmpc3 libmpfr4 libncurses5 libncursesw5 libnettle4 libnih-dbus1 libnih1 libp11- kit0 libpam-modules libpam-modules-bin libpam-runtime libpam0g libpcre3 libplymouth4 libprocps3 libquadmath0 libroken18-heimdal librtmp1 libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules-db libselinux1 libsemanage-common libsemanage1 libslang2 libsmartcols1 libsqlite3-0 libss2 libssl1.0.0 libstdc++-4.9-dev libstdc++6 libtasn1-6 libtinfo5 libtsan0 libubsan0 libudev1 libusb-0.1-4 libuuid1 libwind0-heimdal linux-libc-dev login make mount mountall multiarch-support ncurses-base ncurses-bin openssl passwd patch perl perl-base perl-modules plymouth procps sysv-rc sysvinit-utils tzdata udev upstart upstart-bin util-linux zlib1g 147 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 72.9 MB of archives. After this operation, 4586 kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/ vivid/main base-files amd64 7.2ubuntu8 [63.5 kB] Get:2 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/ vivid/main bash amd64 4.3- 11ubuntu2 [581 kB] Get:3 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/ vivid/main libsystemd0 amd64 219-4ubuntu8 [72.2 kB] Get:4 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/ vivid/main bsdutils amd64 1:2.25.2-4ubuntu2 [44.9 kB] Get:5 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/ vivid/main coreutils amd64 8.23-3ubuntu1 [1137 kB] Get:6
[ubuntu-studio-devel] Link to gtk3.14 port of modded version of old 2008 GTK theme
I found out today that archive.org accepts software, so I uploaded a copy of the theme package I have been playing with to them. It depends on Gtk3.14 but if people want I can backport it to Gtk3.12 with or without also reverting the blue-green color change that I have also used since 2008. This is a rough debian package, feel free to open it up and poke around the files, install and try it, or both. I've got literally six months of work in this, fortunately GNOME has never thrown a change at me that took more than a few days to figure out when Gtk3 changes (again) each time around. https://archive.org/details/gtk-theme-ubuntustudio-legacy_0.6.16_all My signature blue-green can be reverted to the original blue by changing two entries in the Gtk2 and gtk3 color patterns at the top of the files, and then remaking the image files used for Gtk3 selected menu items and checkboxes. Those are simply screenshots of what Murrine does in Gtk2. The radio buttons would simply get a blue ring pasted over the blue-green ones, they are used in both the Gtk2 and Gtk 3 themes. This version is the last one that never uses a transparent base window so it can look good with a non-compositing window manager. I am now seeking to make the panel in MATE compiled with Gtk3 give transparent GNOME style black menus like i've used in cairo-dock, but without having to run cairo-dock and heavy up the DE. So far I have been able to do this for the main menu but not for the panel right click menus nor the tray applet menus without making global changes that would affect popup menus in everything else. My final goal for this is to duplicate all of the look I had in Cinnamon without having to run Cinnamon or even cairo-dock, assuming I can find ways to theme all of the necessary MATE-gtk3 items themselves with the Gtk3 css files. This was quite impossible in Gtk2, might still be for the tray applet menus unless I can find their exact widget heirarchy and it is distinguishable from such menus called by anythng else. There are no MATE gtk3 packages in Ubuntu yet, I borrowed some files from Arch and compiled the rest myself. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[ubuntu-studio-devel] Nearly done with fine detail port of modded US circa 2008 theme to Gtk 3.14 w matching Gtk2 version
Since October I have been playing again with my longstanding UbuntuStudio-Legacy Gtk theme, driven originally by the need to make it work right in a hybrid cairo-dock/MATE desttop, then by the usual round of Gtk 3 breakage when Gtk3.14 came into Vivid. In the process I've ported a lot of fine detail from the Gtk2 varient to Gtk3, and a few Gtk3 items back to Gtk2. The latter items are radio buttons and sliders looking like engine turned aluminum on hardware stereos, and the toolbar gradient. My personal blue-green modification is in both, reverting this is possible but now requires remaking about a dozen small SVG images as well as setting a couple variables. This started as a rough port, the fine detail port has been an entirely different beast. In the process I have found an ugly reality: if you want to do an exact or nearly exact match (for any theme) between Gtk3 and Gtk2, you will end up using a lot of images. If writing for Gtk3.12 or earlier many will need to be svg images to avoid nasty rendering artifacts like lines under checkboxes. Example: The exact way the murrine engine rendered the selected menuitem borders was impossible to directly duplicate in Gtk3 until I took a screenshot of a Gtk2 selected menuitem, cut away everything but the 2px wide border, saved it as a png, and used Inkscape to convert it to svg for better final rendering. The gradient inside was reproducable without using an image. The Gtk3 checkboxes are images of the Gtk2 checkboxes, all radio checks and sliders are images but that's because they have to be. I liked a slightly increased menubar gradient, when Murrine didn't want to do that I screenshooted the Gtk3 version with everything taken out but the background for Gtk2. Both pixmap and murrine engines are now used in the Gtk2 theme, no engines at all in the Gtk3 version as GNOME says they will be deprecated(along with so many other things...). At this point I can fire up Gedit and Pluma side by side and they are difficult to tell apart. Both look almost exactly like Gedit did on my machines back in 2008. Filechoosers are a hell of a lot different due to a recent rearrangement, but the theme is the same on both except that the newer version seems not to support striping the right side view. Looks like someone found a way to run the Murrine engine in Gtk3, but it's done with css and some svg images. I've tested this with good results on MATE, Cinnamon, and GNOME with good results on the first two and reasonable results on GNOME. Their headerbars took an additional evening to get right, and for the same theme to work right in both GNOME and in cairo-dock requires setting window shadows in the theme (for client side windows), then overriding this with a menu.css file in cairo-dock's own config directory. Anyway, after three months of work I've got a desktop that looks like Cinnamon but runs like Compiz-Mate, with Gtk3 and Gtk2 looking alike and even QT apps looking close thanks to a line in Trolltech.conf telling Kde to use the GTK style. Theme version as i write this stands at gtk-theme-ubuntustudio-legacy_0.6.10 , having started at gtk-theme-ubuntustudio-legacy_0.3.0 as an increment over the number of the last US theme it was based on. Might have to rename it before publication due to the switch from blue to blue-green, could offer a fatter tarball with both color options if folks here want it though. At some point I will probably look into creating an account on DeviantArt or some such place to host the theme and the icons. Creating a PPA was too complex, they don't take finished debs but rather use a lot of procedures totally unfamiliar to me. DeviantArt themes are generally hosted as tarballs, which would allow me to also include a backport to Gtk3.12. That requires only replacing a single new specification (GtkIconSource) with the one it replaced. Will have to be hosted somewhere that does not counterblock adblocking browsers as always for me, and not associated with Google or Facebook who I do not trust. I will find out soon enough if DeviantArt will make an account when everyone's trackers and ads are blocked. Many websites do not. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [semi off-topic] Nearly done with fine detail port of modded US circa 2008 theme to Gtk 3.14 w matching Gtk2 version
Keep in mind, Ubuntu does NOT use the Gnome 3.12/Gnome 3.14 version of Gedit, it has been held back and the Gnome 3.10 version is still used even in Vivid. On 2/3/2015 at 1:03 AM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Both windows are backdrop in this screenshot, making either the active window would change only the window borders to the circa 2008 US active gradient. On 2/3/2015 at 12:52 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mardorf@alice- dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 00:32:26 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: At this point I can fire up Gedit and Pluma side by side and they are difficult to tell apart. Could you please provide a screenshot? Pluma is one of the editors I'm using. I don't use Gedit anymore. It's hard to imagine, that it's difficult to distinguish between Pluma and Gedit :). Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Good Night.
I normally record sound first and dry, then apply all effects after the fact. This is the way people were advised to do it in the analog days, as it meant an effect wasn't committed irrevocably to tape. The exception was when the effect was required for the player to perform. I use a lot of compression on sound, the way advertisers do, since I make political audio and video pieces. Since many were originaly for radio broadcast on multiple small stations, audio power was of great importance. I needed to be able to see the dry track and work on it to get high average sound energy. For that kind of work, Audacity still has the edge. I don't want to see either program go away. On 1/8/2015 at 11:56 AM, bart deruyter bart.deruy...@gmail.com wrote: For editing a video soundtrack I'd recommend Ardour as well. You can import a video in ardour, which appears as frames on the timeline and with a separate video window, which allows you to pinpoint exactly where to add or cut, fade in or out sounds and effects. The problem I have with audacity is that it has no real time effects, which makes it very time consuming to work with. grtz, Bart http://www.bartart3d.be/ On facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/BartArt3D/169488999795102 On Twitter https://twitter.com/#%21/Bart_Issimo On Identi.ca http://identi.ca/bartart3d On Google+ https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/116379400376517483499/ 2015-01-08 17:33 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Alexandru Băluț alexandru.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:47 AM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Audacity is very good for applying effects to a single soundtrack, and it has a basic multitrack editor. It's damned good for news and video soundtrack editing I've used it for that since 2004, and versions all the way back to 1.0. Could you please detail your workflow of using Audacity for editing video soundtrack? it'll be like this. open audacity, import audio.. edit audio, export.. you dont need jack to use audacity.. audacity is great at what it does, but, what you want is likely a full daw.. if you have not tried ardour and jack, please try that. thanks! -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH likethecow.com -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Good Night.
Audacity is very good for applying effects to a single soundtrack, and it has a basic multitrack editor. It's damned good for news and video soundtrack editing I've used it for that since 2004, and versions all the way back to 1.0. Ardour is another sound editor and is almost exactly the opposite: a full featured multitrack editor with far fewer available effects but an interface with many of the same features I remembered from analog multitrack tape machines. I've not used Ardour much simply because my recording and editing scenarios are better served by Audacity. If I were recording albums almost all the work would be in Ardour, unless I needed to export a track, apply effects from Audacity, and then re-import it back into the main multitrack. There can be issues in Audacity with aligning sequentially-recorded tracks caused by latency and latency compensation in some cases, I suspect that alone would make it not ideal for recording a band. Neither program fits all needs, that's why both programs are included. On 1/7/2015 at 10:13 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2015, Daniel Gallo Camacho wrote: I would like to find the best way that you can give me the best support for ubuntu-Studio because currently it has not convinced me about the audacity recording programs is not much to my liking. Audacity is not a recording program. It is an editor. Ardour is a much better tracking and recording program, which is why it is included. Ubuntu platform _Studio is very good for everyday performance, for purposes of professional Audio I think they lack a bit, I can you recommend any user ubuntu-studio with a recording studio and use linux platform? It is quite usable. It does depend on what you want to do as a professional. However, if all you have found in UbuntuStudio is audacity, you have missed almost all of the professional recording tools included. Look closer. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] dbus
LOTS of things use dbus to talk to each other, for instance Compiz and Cairo-dock can use it to interact with each other. Before disabling it you would need to ensure your entire DE is not using dbus, something like IceWM invoked directly from Startx (running X as an ordinary user) should work well for this. In fact, this sort of thing is a good reason for having more than one DE installed. I do know that restarting dbus in a systemd/lightdm setup also restarts the whole X session, in fact this was a workaround for some session restart issues I had when I first switched to MATE. On 10/23/2014 at 4:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 18:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Has anybody on this list disabled dbus, while using a DE or WM and several GUI apps that expect dbus running? Mike's mail makes me thinking again about dbus. I can't interrupt my current office session, but I guess I will test it. I suspect that disabling dbus would cause serious issues. PS: At the moment I'm not running Ubuntu Studio, I'm at an openbox session on Arch. $ pidof dbus-daemon 25435 938 898 892 347 I guess I don't really understand dbus. 5 instances are running. Is this normal? -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel-- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] dbus
I made the transition myself, since I needed to port my boot time multi encrypted disk unlocker over to it, given that Ubuntu will use it in the future. I tend to make that sort of transition well in advance if it involves porting my own software. I DO see forks of systemd developing, however, if GNOME keeps making it bigger and bigger, unless of course they keep the current pattern where distros or users compiling it themselves can use only the modules they need. Knowing GNOME I would not bet on that, so systemd could get forked the same way gnome-shell did, possibly even by the same people for all I know, There is already one systemd fork out there, a stripped down version using only the init functions actually NEEDED for systemd, named Uselessd in a snub to the systemd authors. I've actually had mostly good results actually using systemd 212 (which Ubuntu distributes): a non-encrypted desktop I set up for someone with it can boot to MATE in 13 seconds using a Phenom II x4 and a tiny SSD for a boot drive. That's the time to a fully usable desktop with Conky showing the uptime, does not include the POST time which is actually longer. The main systemd issue I've had is this: the timeout for a hung process is far too long, at either 2 1/2 or 5 min(not sure which). I am considering setting a far shorter default timeout of maybe 10 or 15 seconds, then setting a 5 min timeout on the encryption password call. That uses my own custom written systemd unit. This way, any other hung boot or shutdown process would quickly spawn a shell instead of sitting and doing nothing for 5 minutes before finally bringing out the emergency shell. On 10/23/2014 at 3:41 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 15:29 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I just tested stopping dbus (via systemd), this kills lightdm as well. To run without dbus you would need a session manager that does not require it to be running in order to run itself. On my system lightdm did restart, but with networking disabled. Currently I run Arch Linux with systemd, but all my outdated Ubuntu Studio installs are using upstart. A short web search doesn't mention that Ubuntu made this unholy transition too. Yes, I'm a SysVinit believer ;). So, are you using Ubuntu Studio with systemd? Btw. thanks for the information about dbus :). -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel-- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PA in audio production - was: A survey if you don't mind
One more use of Pulseaudio: pulling sound off of monetized Youtube videos as they play, by recording output from sound on a machine whose onboard sound had that capability removed my manufacturers to please Hollywood or mainstream news copythugs. Google can block the common downloaders and serve it a couple frames at a time, but has no ability to block stream capture on a non-DRM flash video-or on ANY video, DRM or otherwise, playing on a Linux box with no protected audio path. That was enough to put Pulseaudio back on my desktops, as the current version seems to work fine in Kdenlive with AVCHD files, which was not the case back in late 2010/early 2011. The netbook still has it turned off normally but it can be turned on when needed for something. On 10/22/2014 at 8:08 PM, Len Ovens wrote:On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Eric Hedekar wrote: On 22 Oct 2014 14:36, Len Ovens wrote: Stop crying wolf... Nobody expects anyone to use PA for audio production, PA might be used for audio contribution if there is no other way (Ie skype calls), but audio production? I regularly rely on the pulse audio to jack connection for apps like roomEQwizard that tie into pulse only. It may not exactly be audio production, but it's certainly audio production related. There are lots of very good uses for PA in the studio. Xrun-less audio is not one of them. Running PA-jack-ALSA/FFADO/whatever seems to be the cleanest way to deal with desktop audio in the studio. I know there are other ways, but any I have seen are fiddly and frustrating to set up while the user finds at some point something just doesn't work. It is very easy to set up some sort of drop down button that unloads the PA-jack connection when it isn't needed. PA is the linux desktop audio standard and as such, any desktop audio can be expected to just work with it. It is so much easier than trying to use the jack interface on a desktop app whoes jack interface is badly designed (such as Audacity). There are some people who feel the audio computer should not be used for desktop play at all and so doesn't need PA for that reason. I am ok with that, in which case I would expect another computer in the studio that can be used for desktop uses such as previewing you tube stuff or interacting with skype or whatever. Audio for that machine can be run through the studio mixer as needed. Even a small studio might find use for some accounting kinds of things too. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net-- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntustudio controls
Cutting off hyperthreading/AMD dual core per module will harm video editing/rendering, so that needs to be an option. Yes, I've tested this and found a significant favorable difference in video rendering time from enabling all 8 threads on the AMD FX-8120. On 6/13/2014 at 10:24 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: Ubuntustudio-controls is dead right now (won't start and when started in a terminal as root crashes) and lacked a lot of features in any case. It has been suggested that we work on the code to do what needs to be done and then write the GUI afterwards to tie all these things together. There are a few ways we can do this: 1) write each function as a separate script (python seems to be the common thread here) and gather them together later. 2) Write one script with a CLI menu to try out things. 3) Write one script where CL arguments select functions. We could even start with 1) and then combine them to 2) or 3). The GUI would call the procedures already there. However, before we do that, we need to have a spec of what things this application should do. We should also decide how each feature should be accessed. Some features would be used only for original system setup and could be accessed from the settings or system menu. Other things might get changed any number of times during one session and would be better accessed from the systray. So first is setup: System setup: realtime access? swappiness? Check audio card for irq conflicts? Check system for hyperthreading turned off. user should be told they can use bios or -controls can disable second thread on all cores CPU governor I am not sure what to do with this one. On a desktop it may be best to just set performance all the time. The CPU in my testing seems to run cooler when all the cores are the same speed. My cores have always been 10 deg below max running temp even with performance. When the system is idle The temp seems to be about the same as ondemand at idle. One might even infer that the power demand can not be much more if the heat generated is similar. Needs more testing if someone has a laptop with an i5 or i7 (the i5 seems to be a better audio CPU) and can see what the battery life difference is with the two governors that would help. Len has forgotten other system settings for audio, but there seems to be less need for them now than in the past. (I have run at jack set -p16 for hours with no xruns) Session setup: user's choice of audio backend... what is going to start when the session starts. user's choice of jack server (1, 2, dbus) Jack's default settings An automated way of finding the cards: lowest latency (lowest jack will start with) highest latency If 2 or 3 frames works best (3 for HDA) Will pulse be used? (what other options can be auto set up?) should it be started after jackd? do we need to manually add jack sink? What utilities shold we start in the systray? default audio IF. Is there a way we can make this not show in pulse? I personally would like to set pulse not to see ALSA and only see jack. But, other people will want other setups. My brain is already going foggy :) The settings we might change on the fly depending on what we are doing. Latency cpu governor pulse to jack bridge background services (on/off) (which ones) audio/midi connections It would be nice to include a Pulse patch bay levels... a universal mixer? Things we may want to monitor. DSP usage CPU usage memory temperature CPU speed Is this all? ... probably not. Is it too much? Could be. Would it be all one application? I don't think so... personally I see at least 3, but would probably use 5 (some being startup scripts run at session start). Is this official? No, it is just some ideas. I also hope I am showing some of the problems we may have ;) and some of the division into units we might have. These are important as they show what privilages are needed for different
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Feature Spec Discussion: Introduce New Netinstall ISO
Most desktops don't require pulseaudio to work. Years ago it was someone on this list who recommended I use Volti for a desktop mixer. Dealing with a dependency in a desktop package on pulseaudio can be done by making an empty package thatprovides pulseaudio and seeing what breaks. In my experience that is limited to desktop event sounds (in cinnamon) and the original volume control which volti replaces.Perhaps I should make volti a dependency in my empty pulseaudio package. This is not recommended when dealing with onboard sound that does not support a mono input or mono sound files will refuse to play. Most better onboard sound now has hardware mixing, but when there is no hardware mixer removing the software mixer means only one application at a time can use sound and only in formats directly supported by the soundcard. Ideally that would be jack but there are still too many things out there that do not support or do not easily support jack, such as browsers. On my netbook I use jack by itself when I need a sound server, but that's because I need utter maximum video performance to get it to play 720p video. I would not distribute those netbooks without pulseaudio. On 6/10/2014 at 11:06 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2014, at 03:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 15:05 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: ubuntustudio-audio-core (includes jackd2, and a bunch of other core components) For many needs there likely is no noticeable real difference between jackd and jackd2. I preferred jackd2 in the past, because it came with an improvement regarding to MIDI jitter. However, I didn't make music for a long time and during that time jackd and jackd2 seemingly have improved a lot. IOW I don't know what current version from jackd/jackd2 is better for what needs, IMO there should be offered a choice, with an explanation, that using jackd or jackd2 could make a difference. I hope you make jackd2 with pulseaudio and or dbus a recommended and not a hard dependency, assumed jack and jack dbus are separated packages. Regarding to the policy that Ubuntu Studio by default seems to come with a combination of jack + pulseaudio I won't add a comment, without switching to sarcasm-mode. sarcasm Why only using 2 sound servers? Why not making 4 or 6 sound servers the default? /sarcasm]. IMO it doesn't make sense, there should be a clear definition what Ubuntu Studio wants to support. Assumed Ubuntu Studio wants to be an audio distro, then pulseaudio is an absolutely no-go. If you want to ship Ubuntu Studio with the pulseaudio-jack combination add a note that Ubuntu Studio is not an audio distro. This might sound harsh, but it's my deepest believe, so I need to point this out. You know very well that Ubuntu Studio is not an audio distro, but a audio/video/graphics/photography/publishing distro The core meta will have next to no depends, only recommends, so that changing anything in it won't uninstall the meta. We have some ideas on how to make pulseaudio a choice for those who prefer not to use it. And if you're prepared to help with that, be my guest. I have yet to see a single argument for why you do not like pulseaudio, other than that you don't like it. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] DEs and how they relate to media production use
The new DE's are all more popular than the old ones with folks who did NOT start using computers on desktops. That means both elders using them for the first time, and younger folks whose introduction to computing was phones or tablets. When what the Windows team called NewShell was under development prior to the release of Windows 95, the Internet was not available to the general public, and people most often used computers in the office for productivity tasks. As such, it was designed for that sort of use, and lowered the bar for what it took to be computer literate. It was in my opinion in improvement on what Apple had essentially fished out of the dumpster at Xerox because computers of 1980 could not be made powerful enough to use it at reasonable cost. For someone who had used phones or tablets until now, the Win95 interface, and especially one with multple workspaces is a stranger. In an office one would be taught to use it, but in the home that means rejection. For those of us who grew up on it, DE's inspired by phones or tablets break the workflow and cannot match it. I do not know if the maximum productivity index for Unity or Shell would equal a traditional DE when comparing skilled users of each for things like speed to switch apps, to move files from one program to another, to find and open a randomly chosen application, etc. I do know that someone who mostly uses one DE becomes trained to it and slows down in any other. Therefore, we have user requirements for multiple DE's. The best way to support that is probably US workflow metas that are desktop agnostic by avoiding DE specific requirements entirely. For now,if the applications target X they can use xwayland or xmir on DE's using those. That part of the issue is too big for any one distro to even touch. Only games and display intensive applications will suffer from the resulting framerate hit, and content creation like in Blender uses openGL directly. In my experience the bottleneck in GPU usage when rendering something is the CPU-GPU memory transfers, not the total GPU power. I've seen this in both the development version of kdenlive that supports Movit and in Blender. Oh and you are so right about Nautilus. Once the standard to which all other file managers were compared, it is now the most radical new style file manager out there. Caja is a fork of GNOME 2 nautilus, Nemo is a fork of early GNOME 3 nautilus before the UI changes. Unfortunately Nemo uses a transparancy patch that lightens the cinnamon desktop but makes it incompatable with seemingly any other window manager except gnome-shell. The patch can be reverted at compile time, there is a hacked version of Nemo aimed at Unity in which this is done. On 5/28/2014 at 12:35 AM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Tue, 27 May 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I have found that for video editing and news audio use nothing seems to beat the basic Win95 taskbar concept extended by multiple workspaces. GNOME2, MATE, Cinnamon LXDE, XFCE, and even IceWM all support this concept and thus are essentially used the same way once set up. I would tend to agree. It does work best for me because I am used to it. However, someone who wants to install Studio on Unity, wants to do that because they like the way unity looks and feels. If I make unity work like win95, I have taken their reason for choosing Unity away from them. People who like the newer DE style... or just want to be up to date (for good or ill) need to have something that works for them in the new workstyle. For us, the US dev team, That means thinking from a point of view that may feel just wrong. But a lot of new people are using computers and more people are trying out Linux too. There are boxes sold with Unity in them and it may be what someone has learned on and the win95 menu may just be awkward to them. To be honest, our whole customization of the menu is because the way it was made audio/video work a nightmare with all the applications in one big lump it was as bad as the win8 all the apps on the desktop. So the win95 menu is not perfect either though we have made it a lot better than it was. Differences between Thunar and old style Nautilus are behind a lot of that. Thunar is closer to old nautilus than what they have now. Software is not static. I don't know if that is good or bad... sometimes I wish there was just bug fixes and not UI changes :) -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] DEs and how they relate to media production use
I have found that for video editing and news audio use nothing seems to beat the basic Win95 taskbar concept extended by multiple workspaces. GNOME2, MATE, Cinnamon LXDE, XFCE, and even IceWM all support this concept and thus are essentially used the same way once set up. Honestly, nothing has come along that is more functional to me than US Hardy's GNOME 2 with Compiz enabled and a 4 workspace grid or cube. GNOME 3 is pretty but hard to use for someone used to a traditional desktop, Cinnamon is gorgeous with the GNOME theme and works like the old GNOME 2 did but is heavy , XFCE is just enough different from GNOME2 to interrupt the workflow until you get used to it. Differences between Thunar and old style Nautilus are behind a lot of that. Now for the bad news: GNOME/Red Hat, Unity/Ubuntu, and KDE will all be handling the X/Wayland/Mir issue on their own schedules, so this is about to get messy for everyone else, especially those of us who favor any DE other than the Big Three, like 2011 but worse. As an example, if I had been sucessful in developing a metapackage to install Cinnamon with the US themes without a lot of hand configuration and in some cases rt kernel bugs, that work would have just been obsoleted by an upstream response to the Mir/Wayland transition. Mint is pinning Ubuntu at 14.04 and will not use the rolling releases, staying with 14.04LTS until 16.04LTS and relying on backports of end user applications. What do you want to be they won't be the last to throw in the towel and do this? As for me, I am keeping Cinnamon set up to look and work like GNOME 2/Compiz in UbuntuStudio Hardy did and will pin whatever I have to between LTS releases to keep it. I do in fact now have debs for my themes and icons, but am not sure they are up to standards for redistribution thus have not set up a PPA. I have the legacy theme packages ported to GTK3 with some customizations I've used since 2008, plus systemd, a working dracut with systemd in it, multi encrypted disk unlocker both for initramfs-tools and for dracut, and even a Plymouth theme using the KDE3 soft-green background image as on my desktop. The systemd, plymouth, and dracut stuff use some binaries harvested out of Debian Unstable packlages rather than locally built. All of this grew out of what started as UbuntuStudio Hardy back in 2008. On 5/27/2014 at 9:19 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: And some personal feelings as well. In the past I have tried lubuntu, xubuntu and KDE as they relate to use with the studio metas. I tried unity and gnome shell, but was not able to evaluate them well as they seemed to require more than my system had to offer. They seemed exclusive to those who could afford new and fast HW. Even my new laptop found it could not keep up with the computational requirements. In my mind this continued to make xfce the DE to use. I have used Linux for about 20 years now and started with slackware back when the default boot was text only and X was a play thing that needed more memory than most people could afford (I can get a whole system for what 16MB of Ram cost then). The WM at the time was TWM and then FVWM. KDE was the first modern style DE with a menu that did not have to be crafted by hand (or as was more aften the case, came with anything you might load so that the menu looked full, but many selections didn't do anything) but rather updated itself as SW was added. Effects became common and then gnome came along. There was a point that KDE started to use more cpu than I had and getting to artsy and effecty for me and so I started using gnome. I had a tape based studio with an Atari that I did sequencing on... the PCs didn't have anything as good or stable. I moved to AudioSlack when it came out with the hope I could record audio, but the SW wasn't really there yet and sub GB drives were still normal too. I tried other audio distros too. but found nothing better at the time. Somewhere in the early 2000s (2004 maybe?) I bought what was one of the better MB/RAM/Audio cards. and not too long after installed some different audio distros to try again... with some success. I don't know when I first started using UbuntuStudio maybe 2008-2010ish after a move to another city. I had done very little with my computer for a few years and liked the newer stuff happening in audio. Anyway, I like some of the features of the newer WM/DEs I have tried a modern version of FVWM, which is still being developed. It is fast and light there is not doubt, but it takes a lot of hand tweaking of config files to do anything. There has been a trend in linux distros not too long ago to include as many apps as possible. I am guessing there were two reasons for this: To show off how many free apps there are in the linux world and because it used to be hard to install stuff. Audio distros went through that too but there
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ferature Spec Discussion: Testing
Are package uploaders properly testing their own packages? When I wrote a one passphrase/multi volume cryptsetup interface simply to use it myself in systemd and dracut, I had to set up a dummy partition with a keyfile so I could test that option, as otherwise I could not write it into the program and know if it worked or not. I assume package devs are testing every option they include, or are they writing code they hope will work and packing it up into .debs untested? On 5/21/2014 at 1:07 PM, Elfy ub.u...@btinternet.com wrote: Some comments in line ... It's likely to get a bit long, sorry about that ;) On 19/05/14 10:32, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: If anyone is interested in helping out with writing and performing tests during this cycle, please answer this mail (and do read on). This is the most important bit here to be honest, if there are only a /few/ people that would be willing to run package tests then anything else is rather, struggling to find a word here that isn't *pointless* When we (and for anyone reading this for the purposes of this mail - *we* is Xubuntu QA) started to write our testcases, there wasn't a huge crowd of people doing that - it took us a cycle to get the testcases written for us. We were then in a position to use those properly during the LTS cycle - and it went really well for us. Now, our applications are less complicated than many of yours. Consequently, I'm not going to be able to do much in the way of helping to write testcases for you - what I could do - is start setting up the barebones of testcases for you, which someone with more experience of an application can flesh out. They aren't complicated to write - it just gets time consuming and rather repetitive - certainly not a very glamorous job - but it is one that pays dividends in the end. We hardly do any testing at all during our cycle, currently. This needs to be changed. Naturally, we do required tests for our releases, the Beta releases and the final release, but other than that, there's no structured testing. There are two kinds of testing that we would like to do: * Quality Assurance Testing - to make sure there are no bugs for a wide range of applications * performance testing (which is rather a big topic) The most urgent type of testing we need to deal with is the first of those. (So far, what we have in testing documentation can be found here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TestingDocumentation) # QA testing I suggest we establish a plan for testing, write test cases, and such, until Debian Import Freeze (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianImportFreeze), which is scheduled to happen Aug 7th this cycle. Debian Import Freeze is a great time to do testing on Debian imported packages, since those packages won't be changing before release. It also gives us some time to find bugs, report them and fix them (Testing can of course be done from day one of our development cycle. The more time we have to spot bugs and fix them, the better, but we should begin no later than Debian Import Freeze). So: * Test writing may starts any time * Testing of applications should begin no later than at Debian Import Freeze, Aug 7th I have a suggestion here, why not pick a handful of applications, get them landed in the manual testcase branch - then we can set up the tracker and people can start testing. Doing this - people get practice at writing them, people can start testing as soon as the tracker is up, you start to get results sooner - I would think it better to get reported bugs slowly to start with than to suddenly have 20 or 30 tests - all being run, all producing results at the same time. Elfy has offered to give us a hand on this. If he likes, he could take the role of QA lead for Ubuntu Studio during the next cycle, and mentor us into set up testing. What do you think elfy? I am more than happy to help you with this goal, there are probably some infrastructure issues with the trackers that need to be sorted out Launchpad wise, if you want me to do that I can talk to Nick Skaggs about what needs to be done. Let me know if you want me to do that please. As I alluded to earlier - 'we' took longer than a cycle - so I'm happy to help you all while you need the help, if that's longer than a cycle - so be it. The people who write the tests should know the applications they write the tests for. The test should be as simple as possible, but still designed to spot as many typical problems as possible for that application. If anyone wants a look at how testcases are written for the majority of cases, then bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-tests and have a look in /testcases/packages/ So, those are my thoughts at the moment - feel free to ask me questions about how we have worked our system. I tend to be about early morning for a while (06:00UTC ish) and later in the day 17:00UTC onward for 5 or so
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] kernel vs DE WAS:Re: Feature Spec discussion: ubuntustudio-desktop
That's exactly what I am saying. It was a pre-release version of US I was playing with, but with the move from a Raring based to a Saucy development version the rt kernel had a broken video driver (radeon r600). If that driver is working in current rt kernels that issue may have come and gone, but the fact that it got out at all means that the rt patch set has broken drivers before and could do so again. Since I edit video, the rt kernel is not needed for my normal workflow and is not installed in my normal operating system On 5/19/2014 at 6:17 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014, at 07:59 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Watch out for rt-kernel issues with 3d desktops. When I was trying to develop a metapackage for Cinnamon against Saucy, I had issues with some rt kernel versions being unable to run the 3d desktop. I would expect similar issues both with Unity and with Gnome. The work I was doing was seriously hampered by the fact that my own install upon which it was based has diverged so far from anyone's default install. If you want to support GNOME and Unity, watch out for rt-kernel bugs affecting at least the radeon/r600g video driver. I don't know if those made it into Saucy's released kernel, but those were what made me throw in the towel. Are you saying you had problems getting accelerated graphics to work? I would believe free drivers always work, while non-free ones installed from the repo may not build for a custom kernel, unless done manually - but I suppose this was not your problem. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] kernel vs DE WAS:Re: Feature Spec discussion: ubuntustudio-desktop
The kernel used was the default in a pre-release Saucy DVD installer dated August 2, 2013 On 5/19/2014 at 5:16 PM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014, at 07:23 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: That's exactly what I am saying. It was a pre-release version of US I was playing with, but with the move from a Raring based to a Saucy development version the rt kernel had a broken video driver (radeon r600). If that driver is working in current rt kernels that issue may have come and gone, but the fact that it got out at all means that the rt patch set has broken drivers before and could do so again. Since I edit video, the rt kernel is not needed for my normal workflow and is not installed in my normal operating system We won't ship a rt kernel by default, or at least not have it as the default option during boot. Linux-lowlatency is more or less equal to linux-generic, and will most probably never have graphic driver issues. So, no problems there :) -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Naming the metas, WAS:Re: Feature Spec discussion: ubuntustudio-desktop
Watch out for rt-kernel issues with 3d desktops. When I was trying to develop a metapackage for Cinnamon against Saucy, I had issues with some rt kernel versions being unable to run the 3d desktop. I would expect similar issues both with Unity and with Gnome. The work I was doing was seriously hampered by the fact that my own install upon which it was based has diverged so far from anyone's default install. If you want to support GNOME and Unity, watch out for rt-kernel bugs affecting at least the radeon/r600g video driver. I don't know if those made it into Saucy's released kernel, but those were what made me throw in the towel. On 5/18/2014 at 10:03 AM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Sun, 18 May 2014, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: I would suggest we name the metas and the desktop sessions: ubuntustudio-gnome ubuntustudio-kde ubuntustudio-lxde ubuntustudio-unity ubuntustudio-xfce Does the one that comes stock need to have it's own name? or should it be called -custom? I guess my question is shouldn't the user be aware which DE is considered default and is most customised/tested? -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Feature Spec discussion: ubuntustudio-desktop
Might be best off by having US itself as a meta installable over any DE, assuming the rt-kernel used supports 3d for those DE's requiring it. That would drop into any flavor of Ubuntu, into Mint with a little hacking, maybe even could be ported to Debian if anyone really wants to go there. On 5/18/2014 at 5:21 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: # Supporting multiple Desktop Environments There has long been talk about us possibly supporting multiple desktop environments. Doing so, we would use existing DE metas, and just add our own session, menu, and artwork. The desktop environments in question would be unity, gnome, kde, xfce and lxde. There are two ways we can do this: * base our desktop environments on flavor DE metas such as ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop, etc, * or we base on the vanilla DE metas, such as xfce4 (not sure how that works with unity though) So, let's discuss the pros and cons with selecting one over the other. Perhaps choice one is better for some DEs, and choice two better for others? In our installer we will still need a default DE. And our ISO should only have packages for one DE. With Internet connection one could choose between several DEs and download the packages during installation. A ubiquity plugin needs to be created for this. # Custom Ubuntu Studio Desktop Environment We could also discuss the possibility of introducing a custom DE for Ubuntu Studio. We sort of have that now, but what we have is mostly copied from Xubuntu. Our current desktop is so close to Xubuntu, that we could just as well base ours entirely on theirs. It would only make sense to have a custom DE if our DE is largely different from existing ones. And, it should be very low maintenance. I'm thinking something very bare bone and simple. But, perhaps a vanilla installation of lxde or xfce already has this advantage? -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Audacity Bug
Because of this, I have pinned Audacity at 2.0.1-1 so to block upgrades that disable ffmpeg import of audio from video or disable my plugins. I use plugins like declipper and lowpass filters a lot and cannot use any version of Audacity that disables them On 02/27/2014 at 7:44 AM, ttoine tto...@ttoine.net wrote: Audacity comes with many included plugins that may be enough for projects you do with it. But you are right, when I edit and record audio, I use Ardour or Mixbus. Antoine Antoine THOMAS Tél: 0663137906 2014-02-27 12:08 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me: On Thu, Feb 27, 2014, at 11:24 AM, ttoine wrote: do someone really use ladspa with audacity ? Makes me think you don't use audacity a lot :). The use of plugins is really a necessity. Not having ladspa is quite crippling. It's one of those bugs that we should find during development phase. And it is that kind of things we should add to our test cases, when we write them. Probably a simple problem to solve, from the Debian packager maintainer side. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
Writers of applications should be discouraged from using patented anything that they could reasonably have avoided, and doubly discouraged from using non-free licenses. I agree with distros refusing to distribute software that voluntariliy uses patented algorithms or non-free licenses. After all, the interoperability defense seen with codecs does not apply in such cases. If authors of code get the idea that a restrictive license bars them from every distro's repos and limits them to PPA's, that is a powerful inducement to remove patented routines and release under a free license. Codec patents, however, we have no choice but to fight, as free codecs too often can't be played by pay operating systems whose users may be the target audience of videos and audio files. Also the owners of codec all remember how the patent FUD over .gif killed the format and nobody wants to be next in line for that. On 02/13/2014 at 2:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 20:06 +0100, Antoine Thomas wrote: Cinellera depends on patented codecs and techno. The code itself is open source but you can't build it and distribute it. This is the same for linuxsampler and steinbetg's vst technologie Amen! _But_ different countries = different laws, if the distro, resp. distros repository is only for a special country, for some countries it wouldn't matter. I often wanted to become a DEB and ARCH packager, but I never ever will become a lawyer, so respect to the people who build official packages for DEB distros and Arch. I decided to package not anything for an official repository. I'm not a coward, I had a previous conviction for being a pacifist. However, fighting against war is easier than fighting against (IOW ignoring) international patent laws. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
I don't know of any video codec which can be played on a default install of Windows XP, a default install of say, Ubuntu Dapper, and gives any reasonable degree of compression. At any event, the whole point of free software is that I decide what to do with my computers, nobody else does. On 02/13/2014 at 3:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine + on a completely FLOSS Linux machine. Really, XP is a Windows I care about, but more important are Linux machines, even without the proprietary flashplayer that still is available by all major distros. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
A straight PCM file for audio can be 50MB for a few minutes, many websites refuse them because of their size and on a mobile connection people can't spare the bandwidth. There are also uncompressed video files, in 1080p they are so big they cannot be played back from a single hard drive in some cases, I've seen over 11GB for a 10 minute video. Back in 2004, I found that .wav files were refused by the web hosts I used, and when I tried .ogg audio, I got nothing but complaints by people who could not open them. That was the end of my experiments with free codecs. In my community, there are lots of default XP machines, not a single Ubuntu machine without codec support added. That tells me what I need to target with output files. On 02/13/2014 at 3:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:06 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I don't know of any video codec which can be played on a default install of Windows XP, a default install of say, Ubuntu Dapper, and gives any reasonable degree of compression. At any event, the whole point of free software is that I decide what to do with my computers, nobody else does. On 02/13/2014 at 3:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mardorf@alice- dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine + on a completely FLOSS Linux machine. Really, XP is a Windows I care about, but more important are Linux machines, even without the proprietary flashplayer that still is available by all major distros. Fortunately we could use clean PCM audio files for audio. Sure, even the .wav format was invented by M$, but who cares, it's not a codec, but clean PCM data with AFAIK some information, that can't be a patent in any country. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
Kdenlive assuming no issue comes along to prevent it from building. It may not get new development for a while as the developer had to take a break and next up is a huge refactoring program, but at version 0.9.6 right now it performs very well and is regarded by many as simply the best video editor available in Linux. It is so important to my work that I could never use any version of any distro in which it could not either be installed or run from a portable folder. Lightworks by comparison is NOT free software, it requires activation, the unpaid version is almost useless and no source code is available. In my opinion no distro should touch it. On 02/12/2014 at 9:28 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
I have used Cinelerra, it has two problems: One is a clunky, harder to learn GUI. That's not too bad as many pro video editors have similar issues. The other is this: it has not kept up with changing formats produced by common cameras. I still have the version I got during Precise (2012) so I don't know if this has changed but as of then Cinelerra could not read files containing H264 streams, either from AVCHD cameras or from another video editor. Kdenlive can both read and write H264 if you use the fully-enabled ffmpeg/libav versions, or be distributed with that stripped for later user installation if codecs are deemed an issue. Both Kdenlive and it's underlying MLT base are essentially codec-independant, so adding support for any arbitrary codec is simply a matter of getting it into ffmpeg/ libav. At any rate, Cinelerra is not yet in Ubuntu's repos, only available from a ppa. On 02/12/2014 at 3:56 PM, Jimmy Sjölund ji...@sjolund.se wrote: On 12 feb 2014, at 21:20, Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com wrote: /me +1 kdenlive ... anyone else using anything that is relevant for video production? relevant = legally viable, currently in the repos, No, I use kdenlive for everything. I thought it was a given and not something that would get removed. I have tried some other similar applications but always come back to kdenlive. I spoke recently online with a film producer who just turned to use FOSS and he had only good things to say about kdenlive. Cinelerra is GPL but also have a community version, none of which are included in the repos yet. A bit more complicated than kdenlive but also said to be more advanced. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
If web server software is included by default, that opens to door to security issues on non-webhosting machines. If I hosted my videos locally, I certainly would not use the same box on which I handle raw video clips (not all of which can be released!) to run the server. On 02/12/2014 at 6:44 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, helios martinez dominguez wrote: They are tools to **PUBLISH CONTENT*** They also interfere with creating content which is _our_ focus. Old computers are easy to find mostly free. Drop ubuntu server on any of them and all those things get added. on another box designed for publishing content. Side note: wine is already included on the 32 bit version, but is not able to be included on the 64bit live DVD image due to the way the image is created. Wine is all (or mostly) 32 bit libs. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
Kdenlive is capable of recording from webcams, I don't have plug-in realtime cameras but if offer Firewire, ffmpeg(via /dev/vdideo0 and video4Linux2), Screen Grab, and Blackmagic recording options On 02/12/2014 at 6:49 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Kdenlive assuming no issue comes along to prevent it from building. It may not Kdenlive is already included. It is what I use for any little bit of video editing I do. It really is a very small amount, video just isn't my thing. I do end up working on some of my wife's personal projects though. I would like to see some thing like LiVES that can record video from a USB or FW camera. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Weekly Reminder of Ubuntu Studio ToMerge packages
Kdenlive is currently version 0.9.6-5 in Debian Unstable and at version 0.9.6-2ubuntu2 in Trusty. Since the last version common to Debian and Ubuntu in May 2013, the changes in Debian were as follows: kdenlive (0.9.6-5) unstable; urgency=low * Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.5 (no changes needed). * Don't explicitly request xz compression - dpkg 1.17 does this by default. * Point debian/watch to new download location. kdenlive (0.9.6-4) unstable; urgency=low * Suggest khelpcenter4. Closes: #721585 -- Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org Mon, 02 Sep 2013 11:30:20 +0200 kdenlive (0.9.6-3) unstable; urgency=low * Move from ffmpeg to avconv. Closes: #710419 * Build depend on libmlt = 0.9.0. * Add patch 01-desktop-keywords to fix lintian warning desktop-entry-lacks-keywords-entry. -- Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:07:09 +0200 kdenlive (0.9.6-2) unstable; urgency=low * Uploading to unstable. -- Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org Mon, 06 May 2013 09:45:55 +0200 The last changes in the Ubuntu changelog since that same version common to Debian are as follows: kdenlive (0.9.6-2ubuntu2) trusty; urgency=low * Depends on libav-tools (avconv), instead of ffmpeg. -- Dmitrijs Ledkovs x...@ubuntu.com Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:47:35 + kdenlive (0.9.6-2ubuntu1) saucy; urgency=low * Merge with Debian, remaining changes: - add opengl_optional.patch to make opengl optional, for ARM kdenlive (0.9.6-2) unstable; urgency=low * Uploading to unstable. -- Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org Mon, 06 May 2013 09:45:55 +0200 I don't know how to merge a package but I don't see any changes in Debian that Ubuntu would need to worry about. The one substantial change (the ffmpeg-avconv conversion reflecting the ffmpeg/avconv fork) appears in both changelogs. There was an audio rendering bug that appeared during the summer and later disappeared in the 0.9.7 PPA development versions I use, but that bug must have been in libavconv and not in Kdenlive, as there were no changes to Kdenlive that would have explained the fix. At any rate, I just tested the current Ubuntu version and it works fine with no trace of last summer's audio issue on rescaling. Little has happened upstream in Kdenlive since last summer. The lead developer got overwhelmed and dropped off the grid for a while, but is now back. The main project they were working on at the time was a major refactoring that would not generate any usable releases until it is finished. There is version 0.9.7 in Sunab's PPA, but the changelog contained in its source code as of late November contained no entries beyond 0.9.6 and it is NOT in Debian unstable. Until there is new upstream activity, Kdenlive is essentially the same as it was in Saucy or even Raring, though a very good and very usable program at that level. I use it several times a week with AVCHD videos and the only thing I really miss having is GPU acceleration of effects and ultimately GPU rendering. The Kdenlive team lists at least the first and I think both as mid-term goals of the refactoring but not expected until 2015. On 01/18/2014 at 5:50 PM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: -- List of Ubuntu Studio merges in Trusty that need attention by someone -- This is an automated post. Before doing anything, please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging For detailed info on the individual packages, see https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html, and https://merges.ubuntu.com/multiverse.html And as the latter pages say: - If you are not the previous uploader, ask the previous uploader before doing the merge. This prevents two people from doing the same work. argyll - universe murrine-themes - universe scribus - universe blender - universe calligra - universe darktable - universe kdenlive - universe -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Anoying/confusing things in our DE
Panel location goes to personal taste. A lot of people have slagged Unity over the fact that the launcher bar cannot be moved to top or bottom. I like my panel on the bottom, someone who started out on Macs will probably prefer it on the top. No one location can please everyone. Shutting off desktop icons by default would be enough of a problem for enough users to drive them to another distro. I still remember not switching to the GTK 3 version of Nautilus until I desktop icons worked with it, and that was a common beef against the original release of GNOME 3.0 On 11/16/2013 at 12:49 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: As prep for getting the best experience for 14.04 I would like to know what people find anoying about our default desktop. What are the first things you change. Not everything you or I find anoying should be changed as we are trying not to confuse people new to UbuntuStudio as well. -I like focus follows mouse. I have used things this way since I began using X with fvwm in the 90s. Probably won't get changed due to all the windows raised people around. - default to possition all new windows in centre of the screen. I would prefer under mouse... well really I prefer new windows to end up in clear desktop space, but we don't seem to have that on xfce. Anyway, centre of screen means all the windows go on top of each other :P - click and double click on the window title bar defaults to full screen or other action. The most common reason I click on the title bar is to move the window. I would prefer double click to do nothing. (the first thing to wear out of a mouse seems to be the left button resulting in unintended double clicks) - scroll wheel on mouse changes workspace. This is really confusing for those who have yet to get btheir minds wrapped around more than one workspace. This mildly anoying for the rest of us (well me anyway) as it means that as soon as the mouse wanders off of the window I am using the scroll wheel for scrolling with, I get a blank screen or some other app and have to go and find what I was working on again. I think this should default to off. - The bottom pannel a) the bottom (at least for me) is a bad place for this. Left side. Monitors are no longer 3x4, using a side for this instead of bottom makes more sense. b) auto hide results in the application sharing the space the pannel takes as well as the whole bottom making it appear that the application being used no longer responding even though the mouse is not over the mouse itself. This may be fixable by making the pannel less than 100% c) I find the icon size too big. this is subjective :) d) Do we need this pannel at all? e) I think we could pick better apps to populate it. - The broken top pannel toys... these are being worked on... probably not a part of this discusion. - Desktop icons... first thing I turn off, I fill my desktop with apps anyway, getting used to starting/opening things from the desktop is not efficient. Probably won't get changed for histerical reasons. - clock format, and maybe app. We switched to Orage because the clock applet doesn't open a calendar when clicked. However, Orage is more difficult to set default time/date format. We should watch what Xubuntu does here it sounds like they are annoyed too :) Please comment on any of these and feel free to add your pet peaves too... even if they seem opposite to mine. I do know how to set my desktop the way I want it, but would prefer that the average and new person gets the best workflow without having to learn to set things up. SO please think in these terms. We really do want productivity first, and nice looks right after that. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Simple scan
SImple-scan gives color scans on my machine with a networked Kodak esp5250, a notoriously difficult device to set up but for which cheap ink is easily found. I also have Xsane installed, in fact its what I usually use simply because I have always used it. I just tested simple-scan right now because of your report of a problem. My machines are all synced to the 13.10 repos right now. What kind of scanner aee you using? If they are anything like the printers they are often part of some may be buggy or have buggy drivers. If Xsane worked and simple-scan did not, however, that sounds like an application bug. I had to set up that Kodak ESP 5250 in ubuntu, was one HELL of a job but I now have both printing and scanning working. The 64-but kernels cannot recognize that printer through USB even though 32 bit kernels did through Oneiric. Has to be a wireless connection, then it works but getting the SANE backend to work on a network scanner is complex. I bought it for cheap ink, knowing the c2esp package existed-and that in the worst-case scenario I could print everything to jpegs on camera cards and let it read those. On 10/14/2013 at 1:25 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: Simple scan is a nice quick easy to use scanner control appication ubuntustudio ships with. I have used it since we added it and been happy with it... till this past week. It seems to does a great job of scanning high contrast/monchrome papers (ie. text). However, this past week I needed to scan some colour stuff and the best I could get from simple scan was greyscale. I checked all the menu items (preferences, etc.) Where I could change from line to grey scale and set resolution, but there was no way of turning colour scanning on. While this is probably not a problem for most desktop use, we do ship a Graphic Design workflow. I would suggest a more full featured scanning application would make more sense. In my case I installed xsane (I was in a hurry and I knew it would do what I wanted). Are there other full featured scanning applications around? and which is best? It would be possible to include simple scan in Desktop and then add xsane (or whatever) to both graphics and photography. Please Note: This is 14.04 stuff. Nothing will change for 13.10 :) -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1
Right now I Startpage cannot find a link to that symbol. My search skills, though, leave much to be desired. I've seen this KKK circle in bathroom graffiti, heard it discussed in person, but never seen it online. It is different, though only by a little, from the KKK's official symbol which is a circle with a heavy cross in it and a drop of blood in the center. It symbolizes four Klansmen looking down a manhole at a person who they have just murdered, but apparently is not an OFFICAL Klan symbol. I don't think ANY of my African-American friends would not know exactly what it is. To draw the symbol in question, first draw a circle, then quarter it. Mark 8 dots near the center, so each quarter resembles eyeholes in a hood. I first encountered this in high school, seen it come up from time to time, last heard about it when the Circle of Friends issue came up around 2007, along with the kkkubuntu jokes inspired by the symbol and the Kubuntu name. On 09/18/2013 at 2:15 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:02 +0100, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: [snip] It's an issue for design, the native swastika isn't an evil symbol, but we all know that idiots made it a symbol for idiocy and evil. I didn't know that the KKK has a symbol close to the COF. Can you post a link? The problem with the wallpaper is, that it's dark and perception could play a prank. I'm uncertain, if this is a serious issue, or if we can ignore this. When taking an extensive look at the wallpaper, it's clear that it has nothing to do with the Golden Dawn and btw. I'm a dyslexic, this is a perceptual disorder regarding to signs, such as letters and seemingly for other symbols too. Perhaps my perception is not a good reference. How do you value the wallpaper? Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1
Any mistaken association with the Golden Dawn would be enough to make a LOT of enemies, most of my friends included. I've met people from Greece who have fought in street battles against the Golden Dawn at considerable risk of personal harm, even death. I have marched against the Golden Dawn myself in a Washington DC solidarity protest. In addition, Ubuntu as a whole has had a prior problem with symbol misinterpretation. The 3 person circle of friends was do doubt drawn up without knowledge that the KKK in the United States sometimes uses a circle divided into quarters, with 8 dots representing eyes in the heads of 4 hooded Klansmen looking down a manhole at someone they have just murdered. I've seen the KKK symbol done with 3 heads instead of 3 as well, even just as three of their murderous hoods looking down the hole. The Ubuntu symbol is enough different (heads on outside) that serious trouble was averted, but it is something I have heard discussed by fellow activists, mostly Ubuntu users themselves but one on FreeBSD. A second and new controversy of this type could be extremely destructive, especially if the South Africa connection was thus thought to be to the Boer history there. Interestingly, an early, superseded Golden Dawn symbol looked not only like a swastika, but also like the above-mentioned KKK circle of murderers. That one appeared on their first magazine cover in 1980. No part of the Ubuntu ecosystem will benefit from a new use, accidental or otherwise, of any symbol or image that can be mistaken as or modified into a symbol of the racist far right. On 09/18/2013 at 9:09 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:20 +0200, Zak wrote: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio- resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_- _by_madeinkobaia.png I would remove the barcode, it's disgusting, smells like capitalism. Take care that the covered letters can't be misinterpreted when taking a brief look, in this case e.g. with the sign of the Golden Dawn, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece) and other possible variations of the swastika. Apart from this I like it. 2 Cents, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1
The S is on the far left, just right of the the vertical Ubuntu letters On 09/18/2013 at 2:19 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:06 +0100, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: The part of the image that could most easily be mistaken for the Golden Dawn modified Swastika is the S in Studio. I guess we didn't see the same wallpaper :D. It was the background of an u that confused me, there isn't a visible s on my screen :D. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1
The part of the image that could most easily be mistaken for the Golden Dawn modified Swastika is the S in Studio. Most likely someone would not notice this until it was partially covered by an open window, then they might be furious. My advice is to change the font of the large text to remove the Golden Dawn similarities, and lose the barcode. The defaut wallpaper is what everyone sees when they try out or first install a distro, it must not be deemed offensive by anyone. On 09/18/2013 at 2:02 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Any mistaken association with the Golden Dawn would be enough to make a LOT of enemies, most of my friends included. I've met people from Greece who have fought in street battles against the Golden Dawn at considerable risk of personal harm, even death. I have marched against the Golden Dawn myself in a Washington DC solidarity protest. In addition, Ubuntu as a whole has had a prior problem with symbol misinterpretation. The 3 person circle of friends was do doubt drawn up without knowledge that the KKK in the United States sometimes uses a circle divided into quarters, with 8 dots representing eyes in the heads of 4 hooded Klansmen looking down a manhole at someone they have just murdered. I've seen the KKK symbol done with 3 heads instead of 3 as well, even just as three of their murderous hoods looking down the hole. The Ubuntu symbol is enough different (heads on outside) that serious trouble was averted, but it is something I have heard discussed by fellow activists, mostly Ubuntu users themselves but one on FreeBSD. A second and new controversy of this type could be extremely destructive, especially if the South Africa connection was thus thought to be to the Boer history there. Interestingly, an early, superseded Golden Dawn symbol looked not only like a swastika, but also like the above-mentioned KKK circle of murderers. That one appeared on their first magazine cover in 1980. No part of the Ubuntu ecosystem will benefit from a new use, accidental or otherwise, of any symbol or image that can be mistaken as or modified into a symbol of the racist far right. On 09/18/2013 at 9:09 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mardorf@alice- dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:20 +0200, Zak wrote: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio- resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_- _by_madeinkobaia.png I would remove the barcode, it's disgusting, smells like capitalism. Take care that the covered letters can't be misinterpreted when taking a brief look, in this case e.g. with the sign of the Golden Dawn, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece) and other possible variations of the swastika. Apart from this I like it. 2 Cents, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1
All this just means we need to exercise due caution On 09/18/2013 at 3:16 PM, Jimmy Sjölund ji...@sjolund.se wrote: On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:10 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: It's not I who made this connection, I don't easily spot subtle things. I went looking when someone else brought it up. The 2007 COF issue was brought to by an African-American activist Ah no, I didn't suggest you did. Ralf brought it up and other people might do the same. I think, perhaps they will no matter what font type Ubuntu Studio use. As for the 2007 COF issue I'm not familiar with the issue at all so I wouldn't comment. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1
It's not I who made this connection, I don't easily spot subtle things. I went looking when someone else brought it up. The 2007 COF issue was brought to by an African-American activist On 09/18/2013 at 3:07 PM, Jimmy Sjölund ji...@sjolund.se wrote: Hi, I think it's a bit far fetched. If you want you can probably get a swastika out of most font types when printing the letters U, S or number 5. Should we ban all square looking fonts just in case someone might interpret it as an image of something else than the actual letter or number? IMHO, if you are offended by the letter U in ubuntu or studio or the letter s in studio, maybe you over interpret things. Don't get me wrong, I admire the the people protesting against the Golden Dawn. But I wouldn't let Golden Dawn own every square looking font type or letter. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Default search engine
That's a great idea! In today's world, for any distro to set Google as a default search engine places their users in danger. This is because of accidental searches when such functionality is not explicitly disabled, and Google's NSA connections. On 09/14/2013 at 2:48 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Hi :) I recommend to use https://startpage.com as the default search engine. Read more: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2013- September/005944.html 2 Cents, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1
USC strikes me as a replacement for GNOME app-install, it and Synaptic do two different jobs. I agree with keeping both USC or one of its competitors plus Synaptic in default installations. For an end user, Synaptic would be pretty opaque. For a hacker needing fine-grained control, USC becomes of little use. I remove it to simplify my systems and remove unused support for paid apps but would never remove it from something going to someone not familar with computers in general and Linux in particular. On 09/09/2013 at 2:35 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Mon, 9 Sep 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-09-08 at 09:12 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: On Sun, 8 Sep 2013, Len Ovens wrote: On Sun, 8 Sep 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: IMO everything is ok, excepted of the fact that I dislike it, when I click Extra Audio Production Application the Ubuntu Software Center is opened, providing games such as Potato Guy. If there's no way to open it providing audio production apps, then please open Synaptic instead of this ugly Ubuntu Software Center. That would be 13.04. in 13.10 we have a new installer that only displays sw that might be used in that menu. No, I booted the live dvd ubuntu studio 13.10 beta1 amd64 from 02-Sep-2013, downloaded by me at 07-Sep-2013. Hmm, the new installer did go in late, but should have been there. It was in my alpha (daily) downloaded before that. Unless the beta image did not point at the right iso. You should have noticed that all the workflow submenus have new icons too. The icon for the extra audio production applications should be the one you designed for me. USC should only show up in two places (oops three): on the main menu (I would like to remove it from there... or make that the only place), in the system folder and on the bottom panel (I would like to remove that as I have noticed that my non-programer wife just finds it to be an anoyance when trying to select something close to the bottom of the screen). USC definately shows up in too many place in my opinion. I had not said much because I thought it was just part of being a Ubuntu flavour. Now that I have tried all the official flavours, I know different (kubuntu and lubuntu have their own SC and LSC for sure is only free content) and would like to at least minimize it's presence if not remove it completely. One of the selling points of Ubuntu (or gnu/linux in general) is the large amount of software available. Synaptic is not really a great showcase for this and so USC was created. From that POV, USC (or something like it) should be somewhere. It is too bad it is so big, slow and clumsy. There is the possibility of xubuntu helping to develop LSC. That would probably be a better choice for us. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy
No, I have been experimenting with an attempt to build a Cinnamon meta for US as an alternate desktop, springing from discussions in the early summer about other DE's with UbuntuStudio. I use Cinnamon myself in a personalized OS that descended from what was originally US Hardy, following rolling upgrades since then with two reinstall transitions. When the GNOME 3 mess hit, I first played with Unity before discovering first gnome-shell frippery, then Cinnamon. Big video editing machines (like mine) are so powerful that no current DE is heavy enough to drag them down, and I always liked the look that these DE's brougnt to the old style US themes, etc. I am now seeing a broad switch from Ubuntu to Xubuntu in places like Phoronix and their benchmarking, interestingly enough. A Cinnamon meta, a GNOME 3 meta, or a Unity Meta (just pull werkflows into default ubuntu?) needs a very powerful machine not to sacrifice performance in video work, at least 4 cores and a modern graphics card. I would NOT reconmend any compositing DE for a dual core or single-core machine used for any form of performance-critical work like multitrack audio or video editing. On 08/28/2013 at 7:37 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Do you plan to switch from Xfce to Cinnamon? I don't understand this devel thread. I installed Cinnamon and Mate to my Arch Linux and decided it not to install to my Ubuntu Studio, because both DEs can't be used seriously for a production environment. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy
I've done direct tests comparing compositing to noncompositing desktops of otherwises similar weight on machines barely able to play 720P video. Both my netbook, which uses the Intel video driver, and a Pentium 4 2GHZ with Radeon 1650 (r500 driver) will play a 720p/30fps/H264 video without falling behind on a noncompositing environment. On the Pentium 4 I compared Compiz in Mate to Marco (metacity fork) in Mate, and enabling compositing caused the CPU use to hit 100% and the video to fall behind the audio. Disable compositing, the CPU usage may barely touch 100%, usually between 85 to 95%, with the video keeping up. On the netbook 720P video playback in Icewm is flawless, in any compositing environment it is not. In the latter case memory bandwidth is a suspect, as graphics is on the chipset but the memory controller is on the CPU with one channel of RAM, a configuration I've never had good results with compositing on. All these cases are with direct ALSA sound. On multicore CPUs with discrete graphics this problem goes completely away, thus I use different DE's in different machines. On 08/28/2013 at 9:48 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 13:44 +0100, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I would NOT reconmend any compositing DE for a dual core or single-core machine used for any form of performance-critical work like multitrack audio or video editing. This is one issue, while your assumption anyway is wrong, the other issue is, that young GNOME forks like all relatively new and small, unpaid projects need much longer observation than it was possible to do for Cinnamon, before it should be available as an alternate DE by the installer. I'm not only thinking about in the last years I experienced e.g. Cinnamon as good or bad, but who are the folks from upstream, what's their policy, e.g. will the project be continued in two years etc. pp., e.g. how does it interact with other installed software, Gnome-Control-Center has been forked. It is now called Cinnamon-Control-Center and it combines Gnome-Control-Center and Cinnamon-Settings - Wiki. Even the compositing issue has _nothing_ to do with the CPU, it's a graphics driver and/or kernel issue. Even when using Xfce4, but with a less good graphics driver, a transparent window doesn't cause a serious issue when using a vanilla kernel, just if you use a rt patched vanilla kernel, the performance for GUIs when using transparency, becomes an issue. You don't need a fast CPU, you even don't need a fast graphics, but you need a graphics driver that is good. Graphics drivers for Linux are a serious issue per se. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy
I've had great results using Cinnamon in video production, with multiple workspaces , with Kdenlive, Audacity, and Gimp all running at the same time. No idea if it will last, or if gnome-shell's classic mode (now not very customizable) will replace it, or what. One thing's for sure, I'm not going to use any tablet/phone style DE for my work. I've also learned that it is MUCH easier to maintain something locally on a rolling OS than it is to create even a script for new installs from scratch! GNOME itself has become unstable, with the interface for extensions to customize it broken literally every new release. It's a nightmare for developers to deal with that, which is why Mint forked their code. I used gnome-shell frippery (GNOME 2 style interface) for years, but had to pin gnome-shell every cycle until about a month after release for extensions to catch up. Some I could maintain locally, but others I could not. From what I hear, XFCE, Cinnamon, and MATE are all rising fast in popularity, gnome-shell is sinking in popularity , don't know how Unity is doing. A tablet style interface is on the verge of sinking Windows 8, to the point that the entire PC industry has seen their sales plummet as people don't want Windows 8. In that there is both a lesson and an opportunity. Guess MS was too dumb to learn from the GNOME 3 and Unity controversies. Looking back-and seeing just how well US Raring turned out, I think XFCE was a good choice for US as a whole. On 08/28/2013 at 9:20 AM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Wed, 28 Aug 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Do you plan to switch from Xfce to Cinnamon? I don't understand this devel thread. Not at all. I think we have addressed this question before actually, but, we are trying to make most of the workfows work on any DE. The ubuntustudio ISO and distro will remain xfce. I installed Cinnamon and Mate to my Arch Linux and decided it not to install to my Ubuntu Studio, because both DEs can't be used seriously for a production environment. I had problems using it for even playing around with, but that is probably my HW. The whole graphics HW area is a pain. All the manufactures don't want you to know what is inside their box... but they all boil down to an interface that takes the same commands to do the same things anyway. They should put the driver in firmware and offer a standard interface to the computer... IMO. I have three computers (with graphics, some headless things too), One too old one too new and one too slow :P -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy
I do not have the bandwidth available to experiment with miniisos and installing lots of packages at home unless I am already in posession of them from the laptop's cache, fetched on the road by wifi. My only experimental partition is at home, but I am on a cellular connection there, as it is not my house and I do not control utilities. Over 2.5 GB a month is throttled. No cable, no DSL. I have run the experimental partition off of disk images fetched by wi-fi at the library, and can use the packages I save from my own cache (also fetched on the road via the laptop) to service them. I am increasingly thinking building a meta for end users exceeds my capacity, both because of the bandwidth issues and because all finished OS's I have distributed to date have simply been dd or filesystem images of my main ones. I still have not been able to figure out where Cinnamon keeps some of its settings, as they will persist across replacement of the /home directory, and as I have no connection to Mint's devs I have no idea what they are doing in the background, save their announced intention to fork most of GNOME, apparently all the way down to GTK3, to get independance. Since they release a month after Ubuntu, no meta based on current Cinnamon can ever be released with ubuntu's schedule. On the other hand, starting from an existing US DVD install saves a LOT of bandwidth over starting from a Mint DVD, as you already have the media packages. This is the advantage of desktop metas for US. Here's what I would have to do to duplicate my system on a fresh install: From Ubuntustudio installer: Install from UbuntuStudio DVD installer, enable BOTH raring AND Saucy repos, then pull in Cinnamon. The required bandwidth can be done from home if I already have the US DVD image on hand to put on a flash drive. Replace kernel with 3.11.999 from the PPA, that version works well on my video card, the supplied version has issues with my card. Configure Cinnamon and Nemo manually. From Mint installer: 1: Install the known version of Mint from a disk fetched on the road on the laptop. 2: go to the library and get on wifi 3: pull in ubuntustudio packages and Kdenlive 4: add Saucy repos to /etc/apt/sources.list Do NOT remove raring repos. 5: Update most packages and install the 3.11 kernel, pin packages known to be broken on that day. Won't work if repos don't contain a usable set of packages that day. Easiest after a new release. 6: Manually configure Cinnamon and Nemo, manually copy in backgrounds, etc. 7: go home, copy everything to my partitions at home, keeping all cached packages for future use. For someone with plenty of bandwidth I would actually recommend starting with a Mint installer and pulling in US-desktop and whatever workflow metas they want, as they won't break their desktop and will only need to set their background and themes, which now work in Cinnamon's GUI configuration utility. Still don't know where the hell it keeps it's settings, as they are NOT in .cache, .config, or .local it seems! On 08/25/2013 at 5:20 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Sun, 25 Aug 2013, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Meanwhile a lot of packages are not in Saucy's repos. A couple weeks ago, I used a then-current DVD installer to put a new version of US on my test partition, then ran it through my ongoing Cinnamon DE experiments. In order to install it from a PPA specified for Saucy, I had to install a whole bunch of packages out of Raring repos that have been removed! In fact, my current working desktop, although following Saucy, could not be duplicated without access to Raring's repos. Just to clarify, UbuntuStudio has not dropped any applications (that I am aware of). So the SW you are talking about must have to do with the Cinnamon DE and it's set up. This would seem to indicate that none of the ubuntu flavours are using this SW and so no one has made sure that SW is kept up. There are different reasons this might be: 1) the upstream author is no longer supporting it and so as the library version has changed there is no longer a lib version that will allow this SW to compile for saucy. (we lost GCDMaster this way) 2) That SW has been replaced with SW of a different name (for example cdrecord and ffmpeg) 3) Other things I can't think of right now :) While it would be interesting to know what these apps/packages are, I do not know that we can do anything about it before FF if at all. The main user of Cinnamon is Mint. ubuntugnome is more about gnome shell in ubuntu rather than classic or it look-alikes. So the question might be, what direction Mint is going. Rather than starting with a UbuntuStudio ISO, I would think that starting with mini.iso and building from there might be better. Come up with a meta package that takes mini.iso and generates the desktop you would like, then include ubuntustudio-installer
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy
Meanwhile a lot of packages are not in Saucy's repos. A couple weeks ago, I used a then-current DVD installer to put a new version of US on my test partition, then ran it through my ongoing Cinnamon DE experiments. In order to install it from a PPA specified for Saucy, I had to install a whole bunch of packages out of Raring repos that have been removed! In fact, my current working desktop, although following Saucy, could not be duplicated without access to Raring's repos. On 08/25/2013 at 11:20 AM, Ho Wan Chan smartbo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Ubuntu Studio Developers and contributors, First of all, may I thank Len, Kaj and Jimmy for their great work during this development cycle. This list of new features in 13.10 will be included in the release notes and release announcements. As for our new package, ubuntustudio-installer, we will have to add relevant details in the downloads page of our website and the wiki, so users know how to use it. Again, thank you all for your great contributions! Regards, Howard Chan (smartboyhw) Ubuntu Studio Release Manager On 2013/8/25 下午11:11, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: Here is the list of things that I know are new for saucy: New menu structure will work on any flavour. (that's not broken) - moved various apps to right submenu - New menu Icons New installer package - can install our metas - allows our extra software menu items to work on any DE New Setting manager structure to replace the settings submenu. All settings in one place. Grub fixes - Name changed to UbuntuStudio - Ensure the latest lowlatency kernel is always the default (even if there is a newer generic kernel) Removed XFCE as a session choice in lightdm it caused too much confusion -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Sources List Generator
One things for sure: no way I'm ever letting Amazon into my /etc/apt/sources.list On 08/14/2013 at 2:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Instead of adding links to Amazon, IMO the substandard working conditions don't fit to Ubuntu (/uːˈbʊntuː/ oo-BUUN-too; Zulu/Xhosa pronunciation: [ùɓúntʼú]) is a Nguni Bantu term roughly translating to human kindness - Wiki, but likely fill Mr. Shuttleworth' petty cash account, this (untested) source list generator might be really useful: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Disabling pulseaudio
Depends on hardware and purpose. I run bare alsa in my machines for utter maximum performance, no issues on desktops but laptop has to start JACK to play any mono audio, as there is no mono channel on its soundcard. If I were to send a copy of that netbook to an ordinary user, I would install Pulseaudio and sacrifice 720p video playback. I originally removed it from the desktop because 4 core Phenoms had issues with AVCHD with it, I doubt my 8-core AMD bulldozer box would be bothered. On 07/29/2013 at 2:05 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sun, 2013-07-28 at 20:11 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: Disabling PA is not an optimal solution either. That's why I always remove pulse audio for e.g. Ubuntu, resp. don't install it for Arch. The reality is that pulse is the most seamless method of using most desktop applications. Just using ALSA does work good for me. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: new default theme
The authors of that theme are asking users to puchase it instead of downloading it free from github. That's usually enough to keep something out of my machines. On 07/22/2013 at 8:49 AM, * w...@nwgat.net wrote: i would like to nominate Numix GTK3 Theme as the new default theme, it has alot of good design elements that will make ubuntu studio look more professional you can find it at deviantart http://browse.deviantart.com/art/Numix-GTK3-theme-360223962 or by installing it from ppa sudo add-apt-repository ppa:satyajit-happy/themes sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install numix-gtk-theme -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Cinnamon meta update
Cinnamon is changing a lot, will be much easier to work with by the 2.0 (saucy+ 1 month) version. As of now, backgrounds can finally be set properly in Cinnamon, removing the worst headache from my earlier experiment. The 1.9 version was not installable in my Raring image (and Saucy remains a mess right now), so I bypassed that by redoing my previous install with the same packages. I used Nautilus to set the background, then removed it. Twenty minutes later, I had a nearly perfect UbuntuStudio/Cinnamon setup except for a single GTK bug: the default UbuntuStudio theme renders dark filename text on the desktop, making filenames on the desktop unreadable on the rock background. I used the gnome-terminal, had to reset its theme to get readable text as well, but the XFCE terminal might also work. I forget to update the menu to the new package on the reinstall but I already know that works fine, I will fix that and take new screenshots before sending them. Presumably that or a descendent thereof will be the default package in UbuntuStudio 13.10 The steps I used to install Cinnamon and get it working can be quickly duplicated in Raring by anyone, but Cinnamon doesn't seem to use text or XML configuration files in .config, .local , or .cache, I have yet to figure out where it stores its configuration information. Possibly in dconf somewhere, as it is a fork of gnome-shell? These were the steps I used, I will send the scrteenshots separately due to the delays on this list for emails with attached files: 1: install Cinnamon, nemo, gnome-terminal from Repo 2: In Cinnamon-control-center set icons to ubuntustudio (settings from panel) 3: copy background to wallpapers (FIND!) or Pictures, set to rock 4: TERMINAL theme breaks, must deselect system theme or text is invsisble 5: copy GNOME theme to .themes (from /etc/skel?) 6: settings/menu, set Menu icon to distributor-logo in Ubuntustudio icons 7: add xrandr and workspace-switcher applets to panel 8: if you want more workspaces, add them in the overview BUGS:Text in default Ubuntustudio theme renders dark on desktop, very hard to read on dark background! Background setting requires temporary Nautilus install as of version 1.74 but does NOT with newer 1.9 versions, this bug will not be a factor as of cinnamon 2.0. From this reinstall, the themes worked perfectly except for the dark text on the desktop and the gnome-terminal issues. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Disabling pulseaudio
In some cases Totem and some other GNOME applications require afirmatively setting Gstreamer preferences to use ALSA. I have forgotten exactly how that's done (did it so long ago) and suspect it has changed since the days of Lucid. On 07/08/2013 at 12:21 PM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013, at 06:16 PM, Jarno Suni wrote: So some sub-page for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/HowTos then? Just noticed disabling pulseaudio has some side effects such as totem unable to play back and possible you have to change preferences in other applications. Does anyone have more comprehensive view on what else should be changed? To be pedantic :) If you have a look at the other pages, you'll notice that some are not even subpages to http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio. Disabling pulseaudio is not Ubuntu Studio specific either, so you could just create a general wiki page, but add the page link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/HowTos. So, the HowTos page is more like a page with links that somehow relate to Ubuntu Studio. But, you can't make mistakes either. If it works, it works :) -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: New icons Screen shot
If a really large number of icons use monochrome themes, distinguishing them could get difficult in small sizes. For the Studio menu section icons this is a plus, as it can distinguish them from all the other icons in the menu. For every icon in all the menus might be another matter, however. When some is good, more is not always better. On 07/06/2013 at 12:41 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Thu, July 4, 2013 11:05 pm, Shubham Mishra wrote: I installed the theme using the ppa. Looks decent enough on both dark and light backgrounds. But the synth icon definitely needs to be remade separately in 16x16. So does the photography icon, as it looks just like circles, not a camera shutter. I'll start working on them. Also should I export them in higher resolutions and place them in folders with that name? Because when required, the desktop might upsample from the 48x48 images, which would look bad. The folders should be names 16, 22, 48 and scalable for unsized svg. If you add a folder, then the ubuntustudio/index.theme needs to be edited to include it in two places. There is a one line directory list and then there is a directory description section. Actually the theme description could be changed too, right now it says Comment=Extra icons only Studio uses If we decide to expand beyond that we should change that too. BTW if there is a better icon theme to inherit than elementary- xfce-dark, then that might be another thing we should run past the leads. The icons that lubuntu uses for example are already pretty monochrome. Some apps (most) are always going to have colour though, but having monochrome submenu icons might help make them stand out... I'm not sure, art and visual things are not my strong point. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: New icons Screen shot
The menu icons are gorgeous in Cinnamon. I dropped them into my UbuntuStudio-Legacy icon theme to properly support the new menus. The .deb will be installed into the US Raring image I have been playing with for the Meta. They go very nicely with the black GNOME menu background theme and will look similar in any menu in any DE with a black background. Nice work, much clearer than the previous icons in the menu! On 07/04/2013 at 9:15 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: First off, if you want to play with them, they are available for saucy at: https://launchpad.net/~len-ovenwerks/+archive/ppa But the screen shot is at: http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/menu.html Hit the reload if it is not the first thing on top. These are just proposed at this time, so comments would be great. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: To add to the menus? A meta installer
How wide a range of systems do you think that can be made to work in? There are a lot of external derivatives of Ubuntu these days (not just Mint), plus there is Debian, which Ubuntu and everything downstream from it is based. At some point I will want to try this on a Mint install, as the inverse method of the meta I have been trying to create. Another project of mine is just about wrapped up, which will give me more time to work on the Cinnamon meta. On 06/22/2013 at 11:01 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: Lets say you have kubuntu installed and really like the interface, but would like to have ubuntustudio or at least a chunk of the applications. Not too hard to load up synaptic and search ubuntustudio for the metas. Harder on USC which doesn't seem to show such things by default. Also, which ones are up to date, which ones should one stay away from. How about something like this: http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/metainstall.html It is not complete :) just a quick test really. My thought is that it could just be a part of the -menu package. It adds no depends on any of the flavours I tried. The ubuntustudio submenu with our website and mailing lists would be where I would put it. I do not want to add it to our main -menu package just yet as I want to make sure the menu part works as expected on our ISO and do any needed tweaks first. Then I will add it to the Studio PPA for those interested. I don't know that it can be backported or SRUed to 12.04 as that would require also backporting the supported metas which we changed in 13.04. I am rather looking ahead to 14.04. Comments as always are welcome. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: To add to the menus? A meta installer
Each version of Mint (except the Debian version) uses repos from the version of Ubuntu that released about a month before it. Mint 15 Olivia get almost all its packages from Raring, Mint 14 from Quantal, etc. Mint is in effect a distro-level PPA on top of Ubuntu, from which a very few packages transform the OS to use Cinnamon, MATE-or even XFCE. That version must be very close to Xubuntu except for having all codecs, Flash, and Java by default plus their branding and management packages-and minus Software Center and Ubuntu One (as far as I know). I am not sure which set of ubuntu repos mint is using. So long as they are using raring and later it would be ok. If they are using something earlier, you may have to download at least ubuntustudio-audio as a file and install with dpkg. Or manually install the 3 metas it was based on. Also some of the apps did not appear in some of the earlier versions. (lots of fun) My intent was for using raring and up. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Some screenshots of our new DE agnostic menu
I haven't dumped Ubuntu over Shuttleworth's capitalism, but I have dumped Unity, Software-Center and Ubuntu One and do not distribute them to my friends. This is where the focus seems to be on monetized software, CLA agreements, etc. I distribute older GNOME 2 Ubuntu, Ubuntu with gnome-shell frippery, Ubuntu with Cinnamon, or Mint to folks I set up computers for. An upcoming media machine will get a US-based install. All my current live USB sticks are either Mint or UbuntuStudio. Too much work to firstclean Ubuntu, then remove Unity and install Cinnamon, then get all my media packages. US is pre-cleaned and the media packages are already there! I can add Cinnamon and my old US-based themes and icons to it and esentially have my desktop, with about 2 hours of work and bugfixes. Hopefully the meta I am working on will make that a one-click job. In short, I have dumped the portion of Ubuntu that is being modified for the tablet/phone/always online and monetized model. I am reying on the community to blow the whistle if anything really ugly (like a low-level network stack that phones home) ever gets into Ubuntu repos. There has in fact been an outright malicious distro, SphinxUX OS or something out of Egypt, and it was revealed on Phoronix within a week of their initial lurid performance claims. Ubuntu flavors and external derivatives probably are going to be out of the whole Mir/Unity/Amazon/smartscopes/ubuntu phone line that Ubuntu is focussing on. Word is that XFCE will stay on X and X will stay in repo, for instance. LightDM might become Mir-only, but there are plenty of other display managers. The base system of Ubuntu Server is unlikely to be changed as servers require simplicity and security. Real worst case scenario would be to add Debian's Mesa stack and Wayland stack (for compositing DE's) or X stack (for non-compositing DE's like XFCE) and build the Ubuntu flavors on top of that. That would not be needed unless the Mir patches make Mesa unusable with X or Wayland. On 06/22/2013 at 1:09 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 20:41 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: There are additional reasons not to depend on USC: One of them is that it is reported to be very difficult to install in Mint, into which people might want to install US metas. All Ubuntustudio packages are accessable from Synaptic in Mint, as it uses Ubuntu repos. That's not a valid argument. I also can't use US meta packages for my Arch Linux install ;) and I suspect hat even with using alien, they won't fit to openSUSE either. Mint is a PITA, it's terrible broken, I once tested it myself and if people try to fix it, they ask the Ubuntu or Debian community, how to fix the borked, customized Ubuntu/Debian called Mint, while we don't know what's different for Mint. The other reason is that folks who do not want support for paid software in their machines (myself included) often remove software-center and install Synaptic. This is a very good argument, but OTOH it doesn't change the bad brain of Mr. Shuttleworth. For sure, he made Linux more popular, but OTOH he brings some bad influences too Linux. His gift is hardcore capitalism and perhaps nothing else. If you install a clean Ubuntu, you'll get links to Amazon etc., removing them from my install, won't clean the dirty Ubuntu policy. That's why Quantal perhaps is my last Ubuntu (Studio). I still follow Ubuntu Studio and I didn't decide to drop Ubuntu forever, but it's very likely that I'll do it. For now I'm using Arch + Ubuntu, but in the future it might be Arch + Debian. I'm undecided. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Some screenshots of our new DE agnostic menu
Yeah-they also reported a bunch of hardware data back to a server controlled by the owners of the project On 06/22/2013 at 2:28 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 13:55 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: There has in fact been an outright malicious distro, SphinxUX OS or something out of Egypt, and it was revealed on Phoronix within a week of their initial lurid performance claims. I didn't know this, when I searched the web and read 150% faster, my first thought was, that this is a grotesque claim, because it doesn't say what is 150% faster. I want that my music is played +- 0% speed ;). Right after my thought I found that somebody has written: “150% faster” doing what exactly? I smell BS… [...] :D Other comment: bullshit claims, rebranded debian, no source code (despite claiming GNU/GPL) = this project should be removed from sourceforge [...] In the project description it's said that The kernel proved to process 100% faster than the Linux kernel, memory consumption is 300% less, and I/O is 50% better than the Linux kernel.. I would like to see those tests. It could be good to include the references in the text as a proof and for the curious like me. [...] -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Some screenshots of our new DE agnostic menu
The fact that paid services are offered, and the fact that I prefer to limit all network activity to the browser, apt-get, and wget for security reasons. I like the old model: no support for anything paid, no support for DRM of any kind, and no background network activity. On 06/22/2013 at 4:29 PM, Jimmy Sjölund ji...@sjolund.se wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:55 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I haven't dumped Ubuntu over Shuttleworth's capitalism, but I have dumped Unity, Software-Center and Ubuntu One and do not distribute them to my friends. This is where the focus seems to be on monetized software, CLA agreements, etc. Ubuntu One, due to being a charged service or is there something fishy with U1 that I have missed? /Jimmy -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: First results from Cinnamon meta work using UbuntuStudio 13.04
I've copied this information down and will be experimenting with it shortly On 06/19/2013 at 8:42 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Mon, June 3, 2013 10:13 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Cinnamon and Nemo install easily from Ubuntu's own repos in 13.04, but are NOT in Saucy's repos due to conflict with Gnome 3.8 gnome-shell packages. I pulled them into a default UbuntuStudio 13.03 install, but ran into quite a few problems that might make it very difficult (at least for me) to make a meta that could create a ready to use install from just installing packages. You would probably need to add a -settings package. There is a tool for making them called ubuntu-defaults-builder. Be warned, it just gives a starting point and there are some things you can't use in it... like setting up a firefox default home page. The real serious problem is this: all of the default themes included with US won't show which window is highlighted when running Cinnamon! There seems to be a trend in themes to not make the focused window very apparent. I hope it goes away soon as I find it annoying. KDE default is that the text in the title bar gets bold or grey :P It is fine for full screen use like most consumers do, but not for production where any number of windows may be visible on the desktop. I've enclosed two screenshots: an XCFE UbuntuStudio desktop, and Cinnamon in UbuntuStudio with GNOME theme and the UbuntuStudio menu icon, both with one active window. Only in the XFCE version is the window highlighted! They both may be highlighted, I would have to see the compared out of focus window to know for sure. You do need to be aware however, that the greybird theme is still under development and that the new version will land in this cycle... along with xfce 4.12 The other possible blocker is that I don't know any way of scripting Cinnamon setup as to menu icon (the US icon of course), number of desktops, and what to put in the panel. Also the DE-agnostic menus for US would have to work in Cinnamon when they come out. Again this would have to be in a settings package. Normally, there would be a directory like /etc/xdg/sessionname/ that has the default menu and settings in it. Looking through our -settings package may be helpful to you for this. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default- settings/UbuntuStudio/files/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/ will let you browse our system settings defaults. There should be something similar for cinnamon in /etc/xdg/somedir/ Look for similar file name directories as you find in ~/.config/ Everything else works, menus are default Cinnamon menus. Only way to change those is to use one of the alternate Cinnamon menus, I don't know how to write these as they are in javascript like their gnome-shell ancestors. I can do a little editing in Javascript with these applets, but that's it. Menus are still moving in cinnamon as gnome shell changes, I would look for things to start settling down as it matures. I was able to get our menus working in some of the cinnamon menus from MINT. Though they seem to only have one depth of menu :P It was just a matter of finding the menu config that was in use at the time. Often not the one I would have thought. I was not that impressed with Mint or Cinnamon (due to it not liking my video setup) so I have removed it ... so I can play with fvwm and afterstep which is a whole other menu problem... much more configurable and not near so automatic as the gnome/xfce/kde user would expect. These issues also made me think of the inverse route to this same concept: pulling existing ubuntustudio metas into a default install of Mint, which uses Ubuntu repos and has access to every single Ubuntu package. Wonder if I am trying to reinvent the wheel here? That's the angle I am working from. It will probably be ready soon in some kind of shape. A small app that gives the user a choice of metas to install including the menus and kernel. It should give the user the ability to add some of the default system settings as well. (like making sure jack can run RT ... whatever that will take... hopefully jack will be fixed to not need the user in the audio group soon) My own desktop evolved down quite a different route, from UbuntuStudio with GNOME 2.32 via early Unity and Gnome-Shell experiments, to Gnome-Shell with Frippery extensions and finally to Cinnamon, ending up very far from anyone's defaults as I rolled back visual changes over the years to keep the appearance I liked so much in 2008. Only thing is, my personal fork may work great, but even if I turned all my themes and text files into debs, there would be hours of manual configuration to deal with after adding them to a default install just like after my 2011 reinstall to change over to 64 bit. I was The trick is to take the contents of your ~/.config/ directory and make that the system
Re: Ubuntu Studio Phone !
That may actually be a usable device in the field for radio news reporters. Assuming a good microphone or a phone having a microphone jack or even the ability to use a USB mike, that would mean a reporter has an audio recorder that can also edit audio right there in the field, and since it is also a phone can send it directly to the station. It would also be one of the only trustworthy phones out there (excluding any firmware snoopware). Audio editing of single tracks at a time or a few tracks at a time can be done all the way back to the original Pentium with Audacity, surely any smartphone can beat that level of performance On 06/11/2013 at 9:46 AM, C. F. Howlett seattlec...@gmail.com wrote: My Nexus 4 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Saucy a mess right now with packages being removed from repos
The incompatable packages issue is getting so bad that Mint is apparently about to fork all of the GNOME core, all the way down to GTK3, for Cinnamon 2.0 (THIS cycle!), while installing GTK3 for applications to use. GTK3 is changing so much anything else leaves them roped to a now unpredictable upstream in Saucy and with the upcomig Mir situation. What are you using for graphics on your test system? Gnome-shell and Cinnamon (which is a fork of gnome-shell )both require OpenGL2.0 to run, meaning in ATI/AMD video at least R200 or later GPU. I don't know the point where Intel and Nvidia got OpenGL2.0. If you don't have them, you are stuck in fallback mode, meant only for testing and repairing a system. You can still sample what Cinnamon will look like, but expect a lot of CPU utilization and slow response via LLVMpipe. On systems where Mint with Cinnamon works right simply pulling in ubuntustudio workflow metas should work, since Mint is based on Ubuntu and presumably uses the same PA setup. The US-Desktop meta would not be so easy, as the themes would first have to be manually selected from within Cinnamon to show up and then would not work, as per my tests. The Xubuntu US session would be installed and work as intended almost for sure (EXCEPT for the distributor-logo) which Mint overwrites. I will test this on the road sometime. You can fix the Ubuntustudio button by purging ubuntu-system-adjustments, the Mint package that overwrites it. On 06/15/2013 at 1:30 AM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Fri, June 14, 2013 6:45 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Some development work is not possible right now on Saucy. Cinnamon (which I work with) is not in repo, GTK3 just got updates that remove many DE's, even Kdenlive is not in repo right now. My main systems are Saucy with a lot of pinned packages, GTK3 among them, and my development partition for a Cinnamon meta is based on a Raring image avaialble at the time. This might get worse as Mir development picks up in the future, and remember that package-pinning would on a fresh install have to be all the way back to the previous version of Ubuntu and not the lasst good intermediate version. I really hope this situation gets resolved, as right now I'm seeing package after package being removed from repo and even more that Synaptic would remove on an unrestricted update for reasons of compatability. A little bit hard on the community. I installed linuxmint to try things out on cinnamon. Cinnamon crashes with my system and goes into fallback mode. Or I can start cinnamon in a software rendering mode (very slow). Mint also has the Mate DE available so I installed that as well. The mate menu is sick... err or something. It doesn't seem to be following any of the XDG menu files I have tried playing with at all. The slow cinnamon seems to have the same menu as gnomeshell with the extension. Maybe there is a better menu extension out there that does better. Fallback mode works very well with a fixed config menu. I am thinking these are based on gnome shell 3 but not the latest one which of coarse has no fallback mode... as I found with ubuntu gnome. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Saucy a mess right now with packages being removed from repos
Some development work is not possible right now on Saucy. Cinnamon (which I work with) is not in repo, GTK3 just got updates that remove many DE's, even Kdenlive is not in repo right now. My main systems are Saucy with a lot of pinned packages, GTK3 among them, and my development partition for a Cinnamon meta is based on a Raring image avaialble at the time. This might get worse as Mir development picks up in the future, and remember that package-pinning would on a fresh install have to be all the way back to the previous version of Ubuntu and not the lasst good intermediate version. I really hope this situation gets resolved, as right now I'm seeing package after package being removed from repo and even more that Synaptic would remove on an unrestricted update for reasons of compatability. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Status of new DE agnostic menu tests
GNOME 3.6 does not seem to give ANY standard menu anymore, instead giving a search box only that will then pull up menu options. I don't see any way to put US menus in that unless it was an extension that added a true menu like Frippery does. That would be hell to mantain, given the constant changes in gnome-shell. On 06/11/2013 at 3:13 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 08:34 AM, Len Ovens wrote: On Mon, June 10, 2013 8:23 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I've now tested the new menu package with cairo-dock and with the Frippery menus in gnome-shell 3.6. In both cases, the US menus were mixed alphabetically with the others, which was NOT the case in Cinnamon. Hmm, got this message but not the last one below. I am guessing my server is just too slow. I did get a faster computer today and will try it tomorrow. Anyway, glad to hear at least something works. The problem with the gnomeshell menus is they merge incorrectly. That is what moving the merge line in the menu is for. (I left it down below so you can look for it) this is a fairly common error in default menu config files. Just want to point out that Luke is talking about a gnome extensions here, so not a standard Gnome menu. I'm guessing this one https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/13/applications-menu/. There are a few options when it comes to Gnome menus, but the most relevant I guess, if wanting to file bugs, especially upstream, would be the classic mode, or fallback mode menu. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu Studio Phone !
That may actually be a usable device in the field for radio news reporters. Assuming a good microphone or a phone having a microphone jack or even the ability to use a USB mike, that would mean a reporter has an audio recorder that can also edit audio right there in the field, and since it is also a phone can send it directly to the station. It would also be one of the only trustworthy phones out there (excluding any firmware snoopware). Audio editing of single tracks at a time or a few tracks at a time can be done all the way back to the original Pentium with Audacity, surely any smartphone can beat that level of performance On 06/11/2013 at 9:46 AM, C. F. Howlett seattlec...@gmail.com wrote: My Nexus 4 -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ? Cinnamon ?
There is an effort underway to make US usable with alternate desktops. I use Cinnamon and am working on that part of the project, hoping to ultimately create a metapackage that would allow Cinnamon to be installed into an existing US install by any user. Similar efforts for KDE, GNOME, Unity, and other DE's are envisioned. This has nothing to do with changing the default DE as far as I have ever heard. Rather, Ubuntu and indeed Linux users in general have developed a lot of different preferences in DS's since the GNOME 3 situation began the fragmentation. Developers of US went with XFCE, which is light and did not follow the trend towards the smartphone/tablet UI that GNOME, Ubuntu/Unity and now Windows 8 have followed. Other distros had the exact same problem. Mint stayed with GNOME 2 for one cycle, then their team wrote Mint Gnome Shell Extensions or MGSE to revert the US changes. Another person wrote the frippery extensions to do the same. Mint found their extensions to be hell to maintain due to constant changes in GNOME, and the Frippery extensions always lag behind GNOME releases foe that reason. Therefore, the Mint team forked all of GNOME 3 except for libgjs and Clutter to create Cinnamon, which is used like GNOME2 but has GNOME 3 under the hood. Some users, myself included, like Cinnamon a lot. I switched to it as soon as I saw it. In my case, that was because extensions to keep the system tray on top in GNOME were becoming impossible to keep working-and I needed the volume control applet (volti) available with pulseaudio removed while using a compositing desktop. On 06/10/2013 at 9:04 PM, C. F. Howlett seattlec...@gmail.com wrote: I'm confused. Why are the developers installing US with cinnamon? Is this to be an official option to future US? Did I miss something? Thanks in advance for clarification. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Status of new DE agnostic menu tests
I've now tested the new menu package with cairo-dock and with the Frippery menus in gnome-shell 3.6. In both cases, the US menus were mixed alphabetically with the others, which was NOT the case in Cinnamon. On 06/09/2013 at 9:29 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: The new menu package works fine in Cinnamon. I tested it both with the main Cinnamon menu applet and with a better-performing alternate menu applet I normally use. The UbuntuStudio menus come up fine either way. Your menu package now goes into all my production machines as well as the partition I am using to work towards a Cinnamon meta for US- thanks! On 06/09/2013 at 1:10 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: Luke from DC, I can't get cinnamon to work here... could be because of what I installed it on top of :) But if you like you may want to try the ubuntustudio-menu in my personal ppa: https://launchpad.net/~len-ovenwerks/+archive/ppa Please note that this is a work in progress, a snapshot of where our real ubuntustudio-menu package is going. I have found that most stock menu files are broken (kde being the exception so far) and that there is a line near the top of /etc/xdg/menus/*applications.menu or /etc/xdg/session_name/menus/*applications.menu that should be on the second last line. Look for a line like: DefaultMergeDirs/ Near the top and move it just before the /Menu line at the bottom of the file. There are more than one /Menu lines in there so make sure it is the last one :) I have been bug reporting these as I find them. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Cinnamon DE
I just downloaded the package and saved the PPA details. I will try it shortly, and if it works it will go in my main OS as well as the test one I am working on with the intention of developing a metapackage for cinnamon. In fact, this is the first big step if it works. The other is the theme mess,where the graybird and all other GTK themes provided with won't highlight the borders of the active window-no matter what window theme is used. I checked this on my develoment partition, found that uing my modded US-legacy GTK theme made the window highlighting work-no matter what the selected window border theme. Therefore, the window border themes work, but the US GTK themes don't work right with Cinnamon due to the window highlighting issue. On 06/09/2013 at 1:10 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: Luke from DC, I can't get cinnamon to work here... could be because of what I installed it on top of :) But if you like you may want to try the ubuntustudio-menu in my personal ppa: https://launchpad.net/~len-ovenwerks/+archive/ppa Please note that this is a work in progress, a snapshot of where our real ubuntustudio-menu package is going. I have found that most stock menu files are broken (kde being the exception so far) and that there is a line near the top of /etc/xdg/menus/*applications.menu or /etc/xdg/session_name/menus/*applications.menu that should be on the second last line. Look for a line like: DefaultMergeDirs/ Near the top and move it just before the /Menu line at the bottom of the file. There are more than one /Menu lines in there so make sure it is the last one :) I have been bug reporting these as I find them. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Cinnamon DE
The new menu package works fine in Cinnamon. I tested it both with the main Cinnamon menu applet and with a better-performing alternate menu applet I normally use. The UbuntuStudio menus come up fine either way. Your menu package now goes into all my production machines as well as the partition I am using to work towards a Cinnamon meta for US-thanks! On 06/09/2013 at 1:10 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: Luke from DC, I can't get cinnamon to work here... could be because of what I installed it on top of :) But if you like you may want to try the ubuntustudio-menu in my personal ppa: https://launchpad.net/~len-ovenwerks/+archive/ppa Please note that this is a work in progress, a snapshot of where our real ubuntustudio-menu package is going. I have found that most stock menu files are broken (kde being the exception so far) and that there is a line near the top of /etc/xdg/menus/*applications.menu or /etc/xdg/session_name/menus/*applications.menu that should be on the second last line. Look for a line like: DefaultMergeDirs/ Near the top and move it just before the /Menu line at the bottom of the file. There are more than one /Menu lines in there so make sure it is the last one :) I have been bug reporting these as I find them. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Youtube channel created for Ubuntu Studio - contributors needed to submit tutorials
About backing music: Google scans all videos uploaded to Youtube for backing music for the RIAA and publishers. They then offer the copythugs the options to silence soundtracks, put ads on the videos, track users, or do nothing. There is no legal requirement for them to do this, as the safe harbor provisions of the DCMA state that 3ed party webhosts need only remove content after getting formal notice to be totally shielded from lawsuits. Google probably feared their size would lead the US Congress to change that law. This was the original reason I left Youtube for Liveleak. Since then the new Google TOS came along to permit browser fingerprinting (added words or device information) so now I won't even connect to any Google server except via Torbrowser, which is designed (via Torbutton) to resist fingerprinting attacks as well as obfuscate the IP address. I understand few here face the security issues I do, but if you use music on Google you risk losing the entire sountrack. Also users of this channel might have issues forming Youtube/Gmail accounts of their own as Google's tracking will show them as already adminsistering and logging into one account-and Google has a real names policy and tries to flag multiple accounts held by any one user. On 06/05/2013 at 3:21 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013, at 09:01 AM, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Great initiative! With some guidelines on how to create them so we get a similar look'n'feel I would try to do some tutorials. I vote strongly against background music in tutorials. Especially if you do a voice over of what you are doing or when the tutorial is concerning audio or video production, I think it's unnecessary and collide with the information you are trying to get through. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel You are welcome to create some, and in the process establish some standards for how they should be edited. I think it would be enough with: * intro page, with title and description of the tutorial (this could use a bit of artwork) * temporary zoom-ins when attention to detail is required. * subs explaining what happens on screen I'd rather not do voice overs unless they are fairly good quality, and the person speaks well enough English for it to be clearly understandable. That's my initial standpoint anyway. If we want voice overs, we could always add them afterwards too. I think it might be nice for some form of tutorials to have music in the background, but not any kind of music. It needs to be something generic enough to work on all people. If you're up to it, you are welcome to edit/oversee all of the tutorials, if others help creating them. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Video players
One more thing about Xine: In a default install of Ubuntustudio, I was able to play H264/mp4 video in Xine without installing extra codecs, thanks to the ffmpeg version used. If there is a policy that gstreamer-ffmpeg can't be shipped by default but the underlying ffmpeg can be, that's inconsistant. I know that sort of decision gets made upstream, but it creates a default install that can't do it's default job if enforced strictly, due to the nature of current cameras and audio recorders. A multimedia distro without codecs can't play most media distributed by windows users or commericial websites. Much more seriously, it also can't play ORIGINAL media produced by a majority of midrange video cameras and even audio recorders. On 06/02/2013 at 11:23 AM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: A few releases ago when we switched to xfce, we got the default Xubuntu video player Parole. At the time we found Parole didn't know how to set the aspect ratio and so we added totem instead. With the thought that it was what most of Ubuntu used. Somehow we have ended up with Xine installed as well.. probably it comes with some of the libs we use. In any case, for the past few releases totem seems not have worked for a number of people. It crashes on startup. So it has been a good thing that we had Xine as a backup :P In the mean time, Parole (like thunar) has been fixed and works on anything I have tried it on. We should perhaps switch back to Parole, A) because it works and B) because that will keep us more in line with Xubuntu and their testing should cover the use of this video player with XFCE. (It may be that Totem works fine with a full gnome/unity setup) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Multiple DE project
I have submitted a request to joint this-but any emails will go to my old, deactivated Hotmail account and bounce. On 05/28/2013 at 4:20 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: I set up a new temporary project for multiple DEs https://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-multiple-de. It's owned by https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-contributors, which is our team for junior developers. Anyone is welcome to join that team, so don't be shy if you want to join in. The plan is we develop and test this project partly in PPAs instead of just the Ubuntu universe repo. It enables us to make changes and test them quicker, and share the same source and packages between all our developers. It's also a good way to learn about all the different aspects of developing for a Ubuntu flavor. For now, there's just a seeds branch there. I'll soon set up a meta branch as well. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
