Re: Converting lp:ubuntu-qa-tools from bzr to git

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I suspect people might be more in favor of git vs bzr. You'd have to update
all the documentation links, but everything could stay on launchpad. What's
your motivation for the change?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:00 PM, Steve Beattie  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> In the interest of converting the lp:ubuntu-qa-tools bzr tree to git,
> I've made a prototype git conversion available at:
>
>   https://code.launchpad.net/~sbeattie/ubuntu-qa-tools/+git/
> ubuntu-qa-tools
>
> You can access it directly via
>
>   git clone https://git.launchpad.net/~sbeattie/ubuntu-qa-tools/+git/
> ubuntu-qa-tools
>
> I had to touch up some author commit email addresses, and I converted
> bug linkages made via bzr commit --fixes lp:XXX into an appended
> "Bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/; message in the relevant
> commit. Please let me know if there is anything odd about the
> conversion history that should be addressed.
>
> Thanks in advance for any feedback you have!
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Fwd: Change of scope and target market for i386

[Nicholas Skaggs]

This means 32-bit images / tests can also be removed from the isotracker.

Nicholas
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From: Dimitri John Ledkov 
Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Change of scope and target market for i386
To: Ubuntu Developers , ubuntu-release <
ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com>, Ubuntu Desktop Discussion <
ubuntu-desk...@lists.ubuntu.com>


Dear Release team,

Please action the below and remove Ubuntu Desktop i386 daily-live
images from the release manifest for Beta and Final milestones of
17.10 and therefore do not ship ubuntu-desktop-i386.iso artifact for
17.10.

As a followup to this thread it has been confirmed that argumentation
below is sound, and furthermore there is no longer any effective qa or
testing of the desktop product on actual i386 hardware (explicitly non
x86_64 CPUs).

There are no other changes requested to d-i, mini.iso, archive, or the
upgrade paths.

Regards,

Dimitri.


On 3 May 2017 at 13:01, Dimitri John Ledkov  wrote:
> ##
> NB! this is a mailing list for developers, and this is a _proposal_
> that I want to discuss with the *buntu developers. There is no need to
> OMG this, especially since this is a recurring discussion every single
> development cycle for many years now...
> ##
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Currently Ubuntu provides many installation medias:
>
>* Ubuntu Core snappy architecture images
>
>* Cloud images
>
>* Container images
>
>* Server subiquity img/iso
>
>* Server classic img/iso
>
>* Desktop live
>
>* Netinst
>
>* Board-specific pre-installed builds
>
> i386 architecture is changing.
>
> It is no longer the default, nor most widely used architecture on the
> traditional form factors: desktop, laptop, rack servers.
>
> But i386 is becoming more of a purpose built architecture, similar to
> how in the past "embedded" devices label was applied. Today, I would
> call it an IoT; single purpose device; and a cloud/container guest
> architecture.
>
> Ubuntu website download pages have stopped advertising traditional
> i386 images for either desktop, server, or cloud, without any
> significant backslash and without any noticeable drops in the download
> rates.
>
> Therefore I would like to propose the following change of scope for
> the i386 architecture.
>
> = Continue to provide for i386 =
>
>* The Ubuntu archive with security updates
>
>* Ubuntu Core snappy architecture images
>
>* Cloud images
>
>* Container images
>
>* Server subiquity img/iso
>
>* netinst
>
> = Discontinue to provide for i386 =
>
>* Server classic img/iso
>
>* Desktop live
>
> = Rationale for change =
>
> The above images and scope for i386 will:
>
>* Expand and grow deployments in the IoT devices sector
>
>* continue to support the declining i386 classic desktop/server user
base
>
>* Maintain support for minimal / workload-specific cloud deployments
>  (cloud & container guests)
>
> = Flavors =
>
> Flavor leads and developers, please consider if the above structure
> would also be suitable for your target market and user bases. I.e.
> Continue to provide packages and the upgrade path, but discontinue to
> manufacture the i386 full-sized / live-cd installation media.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Dimitri.



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Re: ISO Testing Tracker and Artful

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Whoops, didn't reply to the list.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Nicholas Skaggs <
nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> wrote:

> On 07/24/2017 08:51 PM, Brian Murray wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 02:37:38PM -0700, Brian Murray wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 05:21:34PM -0500, Simon Quigley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whoops, I didn't reply to the mailing list as well when I sent my
>>>> message.
>>>>
>>>> Artful is there, it's just at the bottom.
>>>>
>>> Does that bother anyone else or is it just me?
>>>
>>> Additionally, does anybody know where to fix "LTS Desktop Upgrade
>>> (Trusty)" on this page?
>>>
>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/376/builds/
>>> 152257/testcases
>>>
>>> Upgrading from Trusty to Artful is not supported but from Xenial to
>>> Artful is.
>>>
>> I ended up fixing this particular issue through the administrative
>> interface of the ISO tracker. However, while doing that I noticed that
>> the test case changes I made in ubuntu-manual-tests did not exist in the
>> ISO tracker. I then discovered a script called qa_tracker_update.pl
>> which looks like it'll update the ISO tracker with information from the
>> ubuntu-manual-tests branch. Is anybody familiar with this script? I ask
>> as it appears to be broken.
>>
>> "There is no form named "decideform" at
>> /usr/share/perl5/WWW/Mechanize.pm line 1011."
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Brian Murray
>
>
>
> This should really be updated to python and to use the tracker API,
instead of scrapping webforms :-) I think it's been attempted a few times,
but I can't imagine it's a large effort if someone is keen to play with
python and the tracker. The API is all there letting you make all sorts of
interesting tools if you wish (cli, gui, etc).

That said, I appreciate continuing the use of ubuntu-manual-tests; as
flocculant mentioned it's the only way to propose and track changes, so
even though updates are manual, we have a record.

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Re: I have written a draft for the Reporting Bugs guide

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Alberto, I didn't see the artwork in question as I'm late to the thread. 
However I did look at the guide just now. I don't think you need any 
artwork on the page and as such I have removed it, given it's negative 
response in this thread. I can appreciate all kinds of art, but there's 
no reason to have it in a bug reporting guide. I also believe wiki 
etiquette would dictate that you attach the image, rather than hotlink.


That said, you are certainly free to craft the page under your namespace 
to your liking (within reason). However, as the wiki is intended to be a 
collaborative help guide for ubuntu, I would encourage you to continue 
your efforts to improving the bug reporting guide itself, as opposed to 
bikeshedding about artwork or making yet another page. I suspect you'll 
find conversations on improving the bug reporting guide to be more 
fruitful and receptive.


You may find these useful as well; it's used in conjunction with the 
reporting bugs page for reporting bugs for image testing. It's been 
collaboratively improved by several members into something rather nice.


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/Install_Bugs

See for example, the 'find a bug?' header on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/; 
see how it works and where it links?


Nicholas

P.S. It's nice to see some old and familiar names come through my inbox!

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Fwd: Call for testing: Driverless printing on Zesty

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I got to see a demo of this, pretty neat! Feel free to try it out if 
you've not seen this.




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Subject:Call for testing: Driverless printing on Zesty
Date:   Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:42:50 -0200
From:   Till Kamppeter 
To: Ubuntu Developers 



Hi,

Here is something nice to try out during the holidays or to save some
Christmas present which you got from a not so Linux-savvy relative.

Are you using Zesty and do you have a (network) printer which you never
got working with Linux?

It is possible that Zesty is now able to make it work. Zesty supports
printing on IPP Everywhere printers and on printers supporting Apple
AirPrint (these are the printers where you can print from your iPhone or
iPad).

Please try the following:

Have the printer connected to your network. It works with wired Ethernet
or WiFi. For WiFi have it correctly set up for WiFi access, either
connecting to your router's WiFi or using its built-in print-only WiFi
server. At least one of these methods should be possible to set up
without a Windows or Mac computer, so that users only having a mobile
device can print.

Have a Zesty box accessing your local network. Do a complete update of
it, to make sure to have the newest CUPS and cups-filters packages.

Now there are two methods to get you printer available:


1. Fully automatic setup


Edit /ect/cups/cups-browsed.conf to have a line

CreateIPPPrinterQueues All

and restart cups-browsed:

sudo systemctl stop cups-browsed
sudo systemctl start cups-browsed

Now look for new print queues on your system and try to print.

Note that these queues will get automatically removed when the printer
is turned off or cups-browsed not running. But don't worry about your
option setting, cups-browsed saves them for you.


2. Setup via http://localhost:631/ (or other printer setup tools)
-

Open http://localhost:631/ and choose "Administration" at the top. Then
click "Add Printer" at the left. Log in in the log-in pop-up with your
usual user name and password.

Look for your printer under the "Discovered Network Printers:". Prefer
an entry which contains the word "driverless". Select the entry and
click "Continue".

On the next screen your can decide whether to share your printer to your
other machines in your local network (these do not need to be Zesty) and
you should check the "Connection". It should start with "ipp://" or
"ipps://", if not, go back a step and check whether you have selected
the correct entry. Click "Continue".

On the next page choose the correct model, preferring the entry
containing "driverless". Usually this already happens automatically.
Then click "Add Printer".

Now set the option defaults, especially the correct page size/media size
and click "Set Default Options".

Select "Print Test Page" under "Maintenance". Also try printing from
your preferred applications.


What we want to know


Independent whether you have used the first or the second method, tell us:

1. Which printer models did you try?

2. Does the manufacturer claim, via the packaing, the manual, or the
printer itself that the printer supports:

- IPP Everywhere
- Apple AirPrint
- Prints from iPhone and iPad
- Prints from mobile devices

3. Is the printer listed here?

- http://www.pwg.org/dynamo/eveprinters.php
- https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201311

4. Did you get the printer to be discovered as described and to set up
and print?

5. If yes, tell us whether it prints correctly, whether you can control
things like double-sided printing, print quality, input tray, ...?

6. If something goes wrong, please report a bug.

7. Independent whether you are successful or not, please reply here and
tell us your results, so that we know how well the support for
driverless printing works.

Have a great Christmas and a working printer!

Happy printing!

   Till



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Re: LibreOffice and Java

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 10/06/2016 01:28 PM, Ian Bruntlett wrote:

Hi Eric et al.,

On 6 October 2016 at 18:19, Eric Adler  wrote:


FWIW I have a  standard Ubuntu 16.04 installation and LibreOffice
  Version: 5.1.4.2
Build ID: 1:5.1.4-0ubuntu1, and the spell check works just fine.


I have Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS, installed from scratch, LibreOffice 5.1.4.2
10m0(Build:2) and spelling checking is still not working.

HTH,


Ian


Your best bet is to file a bug using ubuntu-bug.

ubuntu-bug libreoffice-writer

Nicholas


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Fwd: Yakkety Yak (16.10) Final Beta Freeze

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Final Beta is already here! The milestone and images are ready to test 
on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com for those inclined to pitch in. Yakkety !




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Subject:Yakkety Yak (16.10) Final Beta Freeze
Date:   Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:16:55 +
From:   Adam Conrad 
To: ubuntu-devel-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com
CC: ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com



As of about two minutes ago, yakkety has entered the final beta freeze,
with a goal of releasing Final Beta images sometime late Thursday.

Due to a rocky start on this beta with landing a last-minute kernel
and a few other hiccups, it's possible the actual release will happen
on Friday morning instead of Thursday night, but let's aim for the
Thursday release and see how we do.

The queue freeze will last from now until final release in October,
which means that all seeded packages will now need a spot-check and
review in the queue from a release team member before they are let
into the archive.

As with the previous releases, we have a bot in place that will accept
uploads that are unseeded and don't affect images.  Don't take this as
an open invitation to break Feature Freeze on those components, this
is just to reduce the burden on the release team, so we only review the
uploads that need very serious consideration.  If you find the bot is
blocking an upload that you think should have been auto-accepted, let
us know and we'll sort it out.

I will be spinning a set of beta candidates right now which I encourage
people to get to testing ASAP for their favourite flavour(s) as they
come off the line.

Happy bug-hunting from now until the final release, and please do help
out and test ISOs, netboot, etc, where you can and let us know what's
broken in your environment(s).

On behalf of the Ubuntu Release Team,

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SRU's Anyone?

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Hello fellow Yakkers! Looking for something easy to do that doesn't 
require leaving your stable LTS version of ubuntu? Verify an SRU!


http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html

For information on how, check out 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification.


Nicholas



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Fwd: [Ubuntu-phone] CALL FOR TESTING: Mobile Data Toggle

[Nicholas Skaggs]

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Subject:[Ubuntu-phone] CALL FOR TESTING: Mobile Data Toggle
Date:   Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:43:03 +0300
From:   Antti Kaijanmäki 
Organization:   Canonical Ltd.
To: ubuntu-phone 



Hello!

As per popular demand, we now have an on/off toggle for mobile data
(cellular data) in the network indicator. It's scheduled for OTA 12, but
before landing we'd like to get more testers to give it a try.

Users familiar with the citrain tool can install this from silo 80 and
report their findings to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373463 .

Thank you and happy start of the week!

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop Testcases

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 06/14/2016 03:32 PM, Brian Murray wrote:

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 06:34:42PM +0100, flocculant wrote:

copied to release list

On 14/06/16 18:27, Paul White wrote:

...snip ...Who, if anyone, looks at the *Ubuntu* test results? That was
all i was really asking.

I can't answer that question of course :)

I don't look at information in the ISO Tracker until around Final Beta,
however bugs that are entered into the ISO Tracker do get tagged
'iso-testing' and I look at those bugs which have tasks about packages
which my team cares for regularly.  Additionally, while people may not
look at the test results themselves the bugs reported from conducting
those test are useful.

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I think Brian's viewpoint is correct. Teams won't be looking at the 
tracker itself until Final Beta when the first test milestone is 
dropping. That said, bugs are always appreciated. Flocculant is correct 
in pointing out many of the image level bugs cross flavors, so it is a 
good idea to keep in touch when you spot them, and file bugs regardless. 
Bugs remain the common denominator and teams will continue to triage 
them as needed. The defects summary is useful for this:


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects

As always, if you find a critical bug isn't getting attention after some 
time, feel free to raise it. Otherwise, it's best to expect teams to be 
developing at this point in the cycle, and the bug may idle for a bit.


Nicholas

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Fwd: Ch-Ch-Changes for Core Apps QA

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Forwarding along for those that may interact with merging code on any of 
the community core apps projects.



 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Ch-Ch-Changes for Core Apps QA
Date:   Tue, 8 Mar 2016 12:24:19 -0500
From:   Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>
To: Ubuntu CoreApps <ubuntu-touch-corea...@lists.launchpad.net>



Our quest to test all the things 'Core Apps' has been tumultus to say
the least over the past year. We lost our jenkins and migrated to a new
one, all while experiencing growing pains. The platform as well has
continued to shift and innovate and our poor acceptance tests have
struggled to be run and keep up. This causes heartache for everyone, and
the sea of red test failures isn't helpful.

So I decided we needed to take a long-term approach to fixing this. I
drafted a plan with Alan and QA, along with some feedback from a couple
of the core app developers. The idea is to right-size our testing
strategy[1].

While we've advocated for using the testing pyramid to test
applications, we've written and depended on mostly autopilot tests. This
is partially because of our early adoption of autopilot, and because I
find them so fun to write! I'm sure there is another person or two who
might say the same, but by and large the autopilot tests have proven to
be not easy to write or maintain. Hence there place on the top of the
pyramid[2]. Acceptance tests such as autopilot should represent the
minority of our test cases, not the majority. And as we've seen, despite
our efforts, the platform has broken our unchanged autopilot tests and
applications.

So, while I encourage you to take a quick review of the summary and
action plans from the document[1], let me summarize the changes here as
well. In short, we are going to:

1) Remove unmaintainable autopilot tests
2) Cleanup the core apps test suites for best practices, old code. And
also add documentation and readme's.
3) Add new qml tests to enhance and expand our unit testing
4) Use manual testing for those tests that would be hard to automate

Writing qml tests should prove to be much easier to do, and easier to
maintain. They test only our internal application code, and they are
written in a language you already know! The takeaway for you is look for
MP's landing that do all of the above, and start thinking about and
including / expanding upon your unit test suites. I guarantee you'll
find writing them to be more fun than autopilot!

Finally, please do provide feedback on the changes. The plan has been
tweaked a few times already, and I'm sure it will see a few more tweaks.
Thanks for a great set of core applications, and I hope these changes
make your development experiences better.

Nicholas

P.S. You'll also note the workflow for release has changed, for one, AP
tests don't run on merges now -- they will never block you. Check it
out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Jenkins#Workflow

1.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ApGwM9iI9qArbu4fMMdDs4Irb9fULfSVIjm79E-UBpQ/edit#heading=h.davy9ssj4q67
2. https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/quality/




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Re: Automated Testing for Flavors -- Update

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 03/09/2016 05:08 PM, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:

On 09/03/16 21:56, Simon Quigley wrote:

Flocculant,

First of all, I would like to say thank you for providing input on this.

There is no function implemented in the API to update the notice 
board (unless it is really REALLY subtle and I can't see the function).


I actually think Nicholas' idea of having results on the tracker 
would be fine. I think there needs to be a comment on the submitted 
test case that says something like "this is automated" would be good.

I don't agree.
  I'm not the release manager for a flavor, but my guess is, you 
don't just look at the test case completion and say, "oh, it's failing"


no of course not - we would check what the person failing it has 
reported as the cause - the bug
  and just leave it at that. Plus, if autopilot tests are failing, 
that's probably bad and should be addressed anyways.


This is completely beside the point at the moment - the tests have 
been failing for over a year now - so I see absolutely no rush to get 
this causing issues now we're only a few weeks away from release.



  And it would be much easier to hack up a script to do this, I just 
need to fetch the autopilot results, then submit it. So I'm 
supporting Nicholas' original idea.


Now, if someone, within the next hour or two (while I'm out eating), 
decides to hack together an API function for this and gets an MP out, 
I'm all for flocculant's solution, but for now, we don't have that. :)


Let me know if you have another idea that uses the API and I will be 
glad to do it. :)


Thanks,
Simon Quigley
tsimo...@ubuntu.com
tsimonq2 on Freenode
If we are going to randomly add fails to the tracker for no other 
reason than it seems like a good idea - then I'll have to ask that 
Xubuntu isn't included - there are enough problems with the tracker 
results without adding completely pointless fail results to it.


When there is actually a sensible reason to add things to the tracker 
then you'd find me much more accomodating.


Simon, while I do support you hacking on things and doing a proof of 
concept (we can delete the entries you make), I'm not yet ready to turn 
the beast loose just yet. We have to get it running on the same server 
for one, which needs a deployment, an MP to check in the code, etc.


We can explore some different ways to display the information, but 
getting a proof of concept done as entries on the tracker is one data 
point to consider. I will defer to the opinions of the release managers 
for flavors on this, as it's intended to make there lives easier. Even 
if we end up posting the results as just another entry, there is no 
point to spamming the tracker until the tests are fixed. We do know they 
are broken at the moment so there's no value in clogging up the tracker 
with a bunch of failures.


On the notice board updating, I think I prefer that suggestion myself, 
but clearly I'm still easily swayed. So perhaps we need to extend the 
API to support it. But first, the proof of concept.


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Re: Automated Testing for Flavors -- Update

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 03/09/2016 04:11 PM, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:

On 09/03/16 20:59, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

On 03/09/2016 03:51 PM, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:

On 09/03/16 20:43, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
Sure. Each of the test runs are a 1 to 1 copy of a manual test. So, 
in the same way you would add a result, we'll have a bot account 
add a result with a Pass or Fail to the daily image. It should also 
leave a comment linking to the run so you can learn more if you are 
curious. Simon has actually agreed to hack on this, so I hope we'll 
start to see some bot results (though they will be failures!) on 
the tracker soon. We could still use some help with fixing the 
actual tests however, so they can provide value!



Nicholas

I would really really not want to see anything on the tracker from a 
bot - that's reporting a fail on the test not the reality :(




[snip]




Hmm, well any other opinions? You are correct at this point in that 
it would be showing failures which are not true. However, we want the 
tests to run and show proper pass/fails! So it should be a temporary 
thing. That said, we could not post results until the tests are 
working, but it's certainly possible to have a failed test in the 
future that isn't a real failure.


Nicholas
The trouble with posting any fail (assuming they run properly) from 
these tests to the tracker is there is absolutely no way of knowing 
what failed - just gobbledygook.


So a flavour QA team would have to run the image to see if the fail is 
real or not, and 'where' it failed - at that point what have we gained?


It won't be adding a bug will it - or I would assume not.

Personally given the option to grab rss feeds from Jenkins - then 
people interested in whether an image has failed could do that. That's 
what I had intended way back when.


Maybe a seperate area on the tracker for them?

I was trying to keep it simple, and integrating it was the simpliest way 
I could think of. A post to the notice board? Would that work better?


Nicholas

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Re: Automated Testing for Flavors -- Update

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 03/09/2016 03:51 PM, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:

On 09/03/16 20:43, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
Sure. Each of the test runs are a 1 to 1 copy of a manual test. So, 
in the same way you would add a result, we'll have a bot account add 
a result with a Pass or Fail to the daily image. It should also leave 
a comment linking to the run so you can learn more if you are 
curious. Simon has actually agreed to hack on this, so I hope we'll 
start to see some bot results (though they will be failures!) on the 
tracker soon. We could still use some help with fixing the actual 
tests however, so they can provide value!



Nicholas

I would really really not want to see anything on the tracker from a 
bot - that's reporting a fail on the test not the reality :(




[snip]




Hmm, well any other opinions? You are correct at this point in that it 
would be showing failures which are not true. However, we want the tests 
to run and show proper pass/fails! So it should be a temporary thing. 
That said, we could not post results until the tests are working, but 
it's certainly possible to have a failed test in the future that isn't a 
real failure.


Nicholas

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Re: Automated Testing for Flavors -- Update

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Sure. Each of the test runs are a 1 to 1 copy of a manual test. So, in 
the same way you would add a result, we'll have a bot account add a 
result with a Pass or Fail to the daily image. It should also leave a 
comment linking to the run so you can learn more if you are curious. 
Simon has actually agreed to hack on this, so I hope we'll start to see 
some bot results (though they will be failures!) on the tracker soon. We 
could still use some help with fixing the actual tests however, so they 
can provide value!



Nicholas

On 03/04/2016 11:31 PM, Istimsak Abdulbasir wrote:


Could you explain more how the tracker will be able to store test 
results for each daily test?


On Mar 4, 2016 3:44 PM, "Nicholas Skaggs" 
<nicholas.ska...@canonical.com <mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>> 
wrote:


It's been an up and down cycle with mostly failing Autopilot tests
for Ubiquity automated testing. I wanted to re-iterate Max's
status updates as to what's going on so people understand what
will exist for help with testing the final images for Xenial.

What's been happening:
Max has been working on various automated tests for images all
cycle. In addition to these test for ubiquity, Max is also working
on automated smoke tests, upgrade tests, etc. The AP tests for
ubiquity are fragile and can often break, especially as Ubiquity
changes. That's been happening for some time sadly. The goal is
still to have them running for Final Beta, but time is running out.

 * You can see the runs here: http://162.213.34.238:8080/. They
are not nice or pretty, but they do exist!

What we need:

* Folks to come and hack on the tests and fix them! Not just fix
them, but look after them and expand them to keep them running.
Everything you need to know is in the source tree. Branch
lp:ubiquity and look at the README in the autopilot folder. Ask
questions if needed. The tests themselves aren't too difficult to
understand, but gtk2 is painful to automate at times. Dan has done
wonderful work in writing and stepping in to fix them on occasion,
but he's also writing the wonderful dekko mail client. It's time
for others to jump in, if they are interested!

* More tests! Some have suggested simple tests such as merely
attempting to boot the image. These tests are trivial to write
since the hardwork of getting the environment ready and running
them is already in place. Using autopilot or not, if you have a
simple test idea it can probably be added and run.

* A nicer way to grok the test output. Simon has recently begun
reviving the API for the tracker, and it would be lovely to
somehow display the results on the tracker. Writing a scipt to add
a test result submission against the daily test would be simple to do!

* We've now hit issues with scalability of hardware, so I'm
looking to get a dedicated machine for this. I know we turned down
hardware in the past, but it is now becoming a problem. Obviously
it's lower priority as the reality is these tests have proven
harder to keep running than imagined. As such, folks willing to
stick with them would be wonderful!

Nicholas

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Automated Testing for Flavors -- Update

[Nicholas Skaggs]

It's been an up and down cycle with mostly failing Autopilot tests for 
Ubiquity automated testing. I wanted to re-iterate Max's status updates 
as to what's going on so people understand what will exist for help with 
testing the final images for Xenial.


What's been happening:
Max has been working on various automated tests for images all cycle. In 
addition to these test for ubiquity, Max is also working on automated 
smoke tests, upgrade tests, etc. The AP tests for ubiquity are fragile 
and can often break, especially as Ubiquity changes. That's been 
happening for some time sadly. The goal is still to have them running 
for Final Beta, but time is running out.


 * You can see the runs here: http://162.213.34.238:8080/. They are not 
nice or pretty, but they do exist!


What we need:

* Folks to come and hack on the tests and fix them! Not just fix them, 
but look after them and expand them to keep them running. Everything you 
need to know is in the source tree. Branch lp:ubiquity and look at the 
README in the autopilot folder. Ask questions if needed. The tests 
themselves aren't too difficult to understand, but gtk2 is painful to 
automate at times. Dan has done wonderful work in writing and stepping 
in to fix them on occasion, but he's also writing the wonderful dekko 
mail client. It's time for others to jump in, if they are interested!


* More tests! Some have suggested simple tests such as merely attempting 
to boot the image. These tests are trivial to write since the hardwork 
of getting the environment ready and running them is already in place. 
Using autopilot or not, if you have a simple test idea it can probably 
be added and run.


* A nicer way to grok the test output. Simon has recently begun reviving 
the API for the tracker, and it would be lovely to somehow display the 
results on the tracker. Writing a scipt to add a test result submission 
against the daily test would be simple to do!


* We've now hit issues with scalability of hardware, so I'm looking to 
get a dedicated machine for this. I know we turned down hardware in the 
past, but it is now becoming a problem. Obviously it's lower priority as 
the reality is these tests have proven harder to keep running than 
imagined. As such, folks willing to stick with them would be wonderful!


Nicholas

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Re: Ubuntu QA Tracker API

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 03/01/2016 11:25 PM, Simon Quigley wrote:

On 03/01/2016 10:15 PM, Stéphane Graber wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for taking this over, I wrote the first version of the site
almost ten years ago now and am quite amazed it's still being used
despite people complaining about it for about as long as it existed (but
nobody coming with anything better either) :)


I actually sort of like it and I think it has potential. Nobody replace it, 
please! ;D

But I think the same about the LoCo Portal. ;)

About the API, one request I would have is to make sure to update any
script used in production by the Ubuntu project ahead of making any
backward-incompatible API change.


I doubt this will happen but I see where you are coming from. :)

Those scripts are in lp:ubuntu-archive or in the cdimage branches and
are responsible for auto-posting images to the tracker, triggering
builds upon request and doing the image publishing for milestones.

We don't exercise all of those daily so it can be weeks/months before we
notice a breakage and having to fix things in a rush as we are trying to
push a milestone out the door isn't much fun.


I agree, I'll watch out for this and maybe work with the maintainer(s) of the 
script(s) to make sure this doesn't happen. If you do maintain a script that 
uses the API, please contact me. :)

Keep up the great work!


I hope that this turns out to be really useful for the future.

If you have any further suggestions, please let me know. :)
It seems like there is an embedded version of the qatracker.py file in 
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/files, 
which I believe also contains the scripts Stéphane is talking about. I'm 
not sure how this can be rectified long-term, but at least in the 
short-term, it needs to stay in sync with what's in the repo.


Nicholas

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Interested in becoming a GSOC mentor for ubuntu?

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Ubuntu has applied for GSOC 2016, but we need project ideas for 
prospective students, and mentors to mentor them.


Do you know an area of ubuntu that could use some love?
Are you willing to guide someone else to accomplish your idea?

If you can answer yes to both of those questions, we want to hear from 
you. We've put together all the information you need to know as a mentor 
on community.u.c[1]. All applications must be submitted by Feb 19th, so 
we must have all ideas and potential mentors before that time. Please 
see the site for more details[1], and start discussing your ideas and 
adding them to the wiki[2]!


Nicholas

1.http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/google-summer-of-code/
2. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2016/Ideas

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Re: Package Tracker - Admin for ~ubuntustudio-release Team

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 01/28/2016 01:22 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

On 01/27/2016 02:14 AM, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:

On 26/01/16 16:25, Ross Gammon wrote:

Hi All,

On 01/23/2016 08:47 AM, Ross Gammon wrote:

On 01/22/2016 06:57 PM, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:


http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/add 




Once you have added it - you can then populate it with testcases.

Unfortunately I get:

"Oops!

The resource you tried to access doesn't exist. This can happen 
because

of an invalid link or because of a bug."

I thought that maybe I have to create something else before I can 
create
a testsuite. But clicking and googling around, I can't work out 
what it

would be.

Just a quick update on this. Kev has managed to help me track down the
problem. I am not a member of the Ubuntu Testcase Admins
(~ubuntu-testcase) Team! Only these guys get to see the "Testsuites" 
tab.


Kev has managed to add the high priority test cases for me, so we have
some test cases to run after Debian Import Freeze.

I will look to joining the team later as I build up some experience.

Regards,

Ross



Just so you're up to speed, Nick is looking at the various perms for 
groups on the trackers.


Once it's done then people in -release teams should be all set.


Try it out now -- I think we may have this fixed. Note, the expanded 
permissions mean you'll get to see and do more within the tracker, so 
please tread carefully!


Nicholas
I forgot to mention -- each of the -release teams will need to accept 
the invite to join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase; then your 
access should be sorted.


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Re: Package Tracker - Admin for ~ubuntustudio-release Team

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 01/27/2016 02:14 AM, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:

On 26/01/16 16:25, Ross Gammon wrote:

Hi All,

On 01/23/2016 08:47 AM, Ross Gammon wrote:

On 01/22/2016 06:57 PM, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:


http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/add 




Once you have added it - you can then populate it with testcases.

Unfortunately I get:

"Oops!

The resource you tried to access doesn't exist. This can happen because
of an invalid link or because of a bug."

I thought that maybe I have to create something else before I can 
create

a testsuite. But clicking and googling around, I can't work out what it
would be.

Just a quick update on this. Kev has managed to help me track down the
problem. I am not a member of the Ubuntu Testcase Admins
(~ubuntu-testcase) Team! Only these guys get to see the "Testsuites" 
tab.


Kev has managed to add the high priority test cases for me, so we have
some test cases to run after Debian Import Freeze.

I will look to joining the team later as I build up some experience.

Regards,

Ross



Just so you're up to speed, Nick is looking at the various perms for 
groups on the trackers.


Once it's done then people in -release teams should be all set.


Try it out now -- I think we may have this fixed. Note, the expanded 
permissions mean you'll get to see and do more within the tracker, so 
please tread carefully!


Nicholas

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Fwd: Xenial Alpha 2 available for testing for select flavors, due Friday

[Nicholas Skaggs]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: 	Xenial Alpha 2 available for testing for select flavors, due 
Friday

Date:   Wed, 27 Jan 2016 07:26:40 -0800
From:   Walter Lapchynski 
To: ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com



As you may have already noticed, the Alpha 2 milestone for Xenial Xerus 
16.04 is now up on the [ISO tracker][1] for the flavors that marked 
their [participation][2]. Dailies are halted and will not build until 
the final Alpha 2 images are available, which is targeted for Friday. 
Should you have any questions, comments, or concerns, you can contact 
the appropriate member of the [Release Team][3].


[1]:Â http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/354/builds
[2]:Â https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Alpha2
[3]:Â https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseTaskSignup

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Re: Ubiquity Jobs

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Max, where can we see this output or re-create it?

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Max Brustkern 
wrote:

> Some of the jobs right now are getting jammed up on errors serializing
> things for publishing:
> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14506063/
> Not all of them are getting this, so I'm not sure what's causing it. Any
> insight or reproduction elsewhere would be helpful.
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Fwd: GNOME Software in 16.04 LTS

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Have some fun with this! Robert and the rest of the desktop team would love
to get feedback and bugs.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Robert Ancell 
Date: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 12:16 AM
Subject: GNOME Software in 16.04 LTS
To: "ubuntu-desk...@lists.ubuntu.com" 


Hi all,

As you may be aware, we're currently looking at switching from Ubuntu
Software Center to GNOME Software for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS [1].

If you're interested in playing around / helping out:
- I've set up a ppa:ubuntu-desktop/gnome-software [2] for which currently
holds PackageKit 1.0 and GNOME Software with some patches to support the
Ubuntu review server. Installing this will boot out software-center /
aptdaemon.
- We're blocked from pushing this directly to the Xenial archive [3] - but
we hope to have some progress on that soon.
- The GNOME software work is being done upstream in GNOME git. It should be
upstreamable.
- Please file bugs against the gnome-software package [4]
- I'm still working on the Ubuntu One support for posting reviews - ideally
this would use libaccounts but that doesn't seem to be working in desktop
Ubuntu anymore. Any help here would be appreciated. Plan B is to put the
account signup UI in GNOME Software (not too hard, but would be nicer to
use the proper services).
- I've tagged some bugs on things that need working on [5].
- The appstream data is being worked on - I'll let Iain Lane update about
that.

Have fun!
--Robert

[1]
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/11/the-ubuntu-software-centre-is-being-replace-in-16-04-lts
[2] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/gnome-software
[3] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bug/1470655
[4] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+filebug
[5] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=gnome-software-ubuntu



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Re: Package Tracker - Admin for ~ubuntustudio-release Team

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Hey Ross, there's no magic beyond being a member of the
ubuntustudio-release team. However, on the packages tracker, there isn't a
specific ubuntu studio product. Would you like one? I created the product
and made your team owner. I *think* this should finally fix things for you.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Ross Gammon <r...@the-gammons.net> wrote:

> Hi Nick,
>
> I just checked again, and I still have the same problem. If I log onto
> package.qa.ubuntu.com, ticking ubuntustudio-release at the single sign
> on screen, I still end up with normal user access at the tracker.
>
> There is no Admin choice in the Navigation on the left, and typing in
> the admin URLs manually don't work.
>
> I would really love to show off the manual test cases that the team have
> been writing and get some testing happening :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Ross
>
> On 12/06/2015 07:38 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
> > Sorry about that. I noticed both lubuntu and gnome didn't have
> > permissions to edit there own products on the package tracker. I've
> > corrected the issue in both cases. Let me know if you are still having
> > trouble.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Ross Gammon <r...@the-gammons.net
> > <mailto:r...@the-gammons.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have recently become the Testing Lead for Ubuntu Studio, and we are
> > busy (with flocculants help) writing Manual Test Cases.
> >
> > Therefore I would like to get some TestSuites set up on
> > http://package.qa.ubuntu.com so that we can show off the new work
> and
> > attract more testers and test writers before the next Beta release.
> >
> > As a member of the ~ubuntustudio-release team, I have access to the
> > Admin pages on the ISO tracker, but not on the Package Tracker.
> >
> > How do I go about getting the admin rights for the
> ~ubuntustudio-release
> > Team?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ross
> > retail-0 on LP
> > ROsco2 on IRC
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Re: Ubuntu Font Testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

The font requires some other changes in Xenial, hence it's limitation to 
being only in Xenial. So yes, please do test in Xenial. If you just 
install the font itself on an older distro, the non-Western font tweaks 
for things like Arabic and Hebrew won't be there.


Nicholas

On 01/06/2016 01:29 PM, chris hermansen wrote:
Ah OK, so to be 100% clear, is it worth checking this font out in Wily 
or only in its default configuration in Xenial?


On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Nicholas Skaggs 
<nicholas.ska...@canonical.com <mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>> 
wrote:


Blargh! It's Xenial. Only in Xenial. Wow, and no one else noticed
this for 2 days. I'm sorry. LOL, notice my source link below?


Nicholas

On 01/06/2016 12:06 PM, chris hermansen wrote:

Nicholas, I just ran today's updates (mostly ffmpeg in my
case).  I have checked the updates settings: all "install
updates from" boxes checked, updates checked daily, display
immediately for both security and other updates.

The strange little glyph still shows as 0.830 in both the
gmail window and with pango-view.

Checking synaptic, I have ttf-ubuntu-font-family installed.  I
searched for other packages with the terms "font ubuntu" and
"font release" but nothing obvious there.

I checked the Ubuntu font with the font viewer application and
it's still reported as 0.83.

I checked my .fonts directory and there are no ubuntu-related
fonts there.  Nothing in /usr/local/share/fonts.

In /usr/share/fonts/ubuntu-font-family, all the .ttf files are
dated 10 Jul 2015 except the UbuntuMono files which are dated
26 Sep 2011.

I don't see anything in /usr/share/fonts that looks as though
it could be a new release of ubuntu fonts.

I should mention that this machine is upgraded from 15.04 (ie
not a fresh install), in case that matters.

    On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Nicholas Skaggs
<nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>>> wrote:

Chris, that's correct. You should have 0.84, which is the new
version. Are you running an up to date Wily?


Checkout
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/ubuntu-font-family-sources

Nicholas

On 01/05/2016 05:23 PM, chris hermansen wrote:

Nicholas,

What I see when I execute this:

pango-view --font="Ubuntu 48" --markup --text=' The quick brown fox jumps over the
lazy
dog.'

is (all on one line):

 1. 0.830 in very small text
 2. something that looks like 88 on a 7-segment display
 3. a space
 4. The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

So just to be super-clear, I don't see a ".84" in that
string.  I also don't see it in the text of this
e-mail; what
I see looks a single glyph whose strokes make 0.830 in
very
small letters.

I had an inspiration and checked with my font view
application.  It tells me my Ubuntu font is:

Name: Ubuntu

Style: Regular

Type: TrueType font

Version: 0.83

Copyright: Copyright 2011 Canonical Ltd. Licensed
under the
Ubuntu Font License 1.0

Does this mean I don't have the new version?


On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Nicholas Skaggs
<nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>>
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>>>> wrote:

Chris, ahh. Yea, the new version is .84, and you can
confirm you
have it by seeing 0.84 in the beginning:

pango-view --font="Ubuntu 48" --markup --text=' The quick brown fox jumps over
the lazy
dog.'

The other font you don't have. I removed it from the
directions.
It's from when we did the PPA testing. Thanks for
catching
this!

Nicholas

On 01/05/2016 03:40 PM, chris hermansen wrote:

Nicholas,

Re: Ubuntu Font Testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Chris, that's correct. You should have 0.84, which is the new version. 
Are you running an up to date Wily?



Checkout 
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/ubuntu-font-family-sources


Nicholas

On 01/05/2016 05:23 PM, chris hermansen wrote:

Nicholas,

What I see when I execute this:

pango-view --font="Ubuntu 48" --markup --text='fallback="false"> The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.'


is (all on one line):

 1. 0.830 in very small text
 2. something that looks like 88 on a 7-segment display
 3. a space
 4. The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

So just to be super-clear, I don't see a ".84" in that string.  I also 
don't see it in the text of this e-mail; what I see looks a single 
glyph whose strokes make 0.830 in very small letters.


I had an inspiration and checked with my font view application.  It 
tells me my Ubuntu font is:


Name: Ubuntu

Style: Regular

Type: TrueType font

Version: 0.83

Copyright: Copyright 2011 Canonical Ltd. Licensed under the Ubuntu 
Font License 1.0


Does this mean I don't have the new version?


On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Nicholas Skaggs 
<nicholas.ska...@canonical.com <mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>> 
wrote:


Chris, ahh. Yea, the new version is .84, and you can confirm you
have it by seeing 0.84 in the beginning:

pango-view --font="Ubuntu 48" --markup --text=' The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy
dog.'

The other font you don't have. I removed it from the directions.
It's from when we did the PPA testing. Thanks for catching this!

Nicholas

On 01/05/2016 03:40 PM, chris hermansen wrote:

Nicholas, a further question if I may:

I am running 100% up to date Wily.

When, as per the instructions, I execute:

pango-view --font="UbuntuPrerelease0910 48" --markup
--text=' The quick brown fox jumps
over the lazy dog.'

I see what appears to be exactly the same display as when I
execute

pango-view --font="Deja Vu 48" --markup --text=' The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy
dog.'

That is, the text looks to be rendered in exactly the same
font: same glyphs, same size, everything.  And pretty clearly
different from plain old Ubuntu.

Any ideas?  Is UbuntuPrerelease0910 not really installed in my
Wily and somehow I'm getting Deja Vu instead?  Should I be
asking this question somewhere else?


On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Nicholas Skaggs
<nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>>> wrote:

Yea, crazy crazy link. I send in plain text, so I didn't think
about it. The link has spaces in it.

Let me just end the madness by fixing the wiki:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFontFamily/Testing

Nicholas


On 01/05/2016 03:08 PM, chris hermansen wrote:

Nicolas, that link redirected me to
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home?action=show=Ubuntu



On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Nicholas Skaggs
<nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>>
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>>>> wrote:

Some of you have been at this already, but either way,
please have
a look at the new Ubuntu Font if you are running
Wily. It
has some
fixes in it, specifically we need to verify 4 bugs
+ the
Arabic
and Hebrew fixes. Full details can be found here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu Font Family/Testing

Happy Testing!

Nicholas

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Re: Ubuntu Font Testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Blargh! It's Xenial. Only in Xenial. Wow, and no one else noticed this 
for 2 days. I'm sorry. LOL, notice my source link below?



Nicholas

On 01/06/2016 12:06 PM, chris hermansen wrote:
Nicholas, I just ran today's updates (mostly ffmpeg in my case).  I 
have checked the updates settings: all "install updates from" boxes 
checked, updates checked daily, display immediately for both security 
and other updates.


The strange little glyph still shows as 0.830 in both the gmail window 
and with pango-view.


Checking synaptic, I have ttf-ubuntu-font-family installed.  I 
searched for other packages with the terms "font ubuntu" and "font 
release" but nothing obvious there.


I checked the Ubuntu font with the font viewer application and it's 
still reported as 0.83.


I checked my .fonts directory and there are no ubuntu-related fonts 
there.  Nothing in /usr/local/share/fonts.


In /usr/share/fonts/ubuntu-font-family, all the .ttf files are dated 
10 Jul 2015 except the UbuntuMono files which are dated 26 Sep 2011.


I don't see anything in /usr/share/fonts that looks as though it could 
be a new release of ubuntu fonts.


I should mention that this machine is upgraded from 15.04 (ie not a 
fresh install), in case that matters.


On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Nicholas Skaggs 
<nicholas.ska...@canonical.com <mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>> 
wrote:


Chris, that's correct. You should have 0.84, which is the new
version. Are you running an up to date Wily?


Checkout
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/ubuntu-font-family-sources

Nicholas

On 01/05/2016 05:23 PM, chris hermansen wrote:

Nicholas,

What I see when I execute this:

pango-view --font="Ubuntu 48" --markup --text=' The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy
dog.'

is (all on one line):

 1. 0.830 in very small text
 2. something that looks like 88 on a 7-segment display
 3. a space
 4. The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

So just to be super-clear, I don't see a ".84" in that
string.  I also don't see it in the text of this e-mail; what
I see looks a single glyph whose strokes make 0.830 in very
small letters.

I had an inspiration and checked with my font view
application.  It tells me my Ubuntu font is:

Name: Ubuntu

Style: Regular

Type: TrueType font

Version: 0.83

Copyright: Copyright 2011 Canonical Ltd. Licensed under the
Ubuntu Font License 1.0

Does this mean I don't have the new version?


On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Nicholas Skaggs
<nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>>> wrote:

Chris, ahh. Yea, the new version is .84, and you can
confirm you
have it by seeing 0.84 in the beginning:

pango-view --font="Ubuntu 48" --markup --text=' The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy
dog.'

The other font you don't have. I removed it from the
directions.
It's from when we did the PPA testing. Thanks for catching
this!

Nicholas

On 01/05/2016 03:40 PM, chris hermansen wrote:

Nicholas, a further question if I may:

I am running 100% up to date Wily.

When, as per the instructions, I execute:

pango-view --font="UbuntuPrerelease0910 48" --markup
--text=' The quick brown fox
jumps
over the lazy dog.'

I see what appears to be exactly the same display as
when I
execute

pango-view --font="Deja Vu 48" --markup --text=' The quick brown fox jumps over the
lazy
dog.'

That is, the text looks to be rendered in exactly the same
font: same glyphs, same size, everything.  And pretty
clearly
different from plain old Ubuntu.

Any ideas?  Is UbuntuPrerelease0910 not really
installed in my
Wily and somehow I'm getting Deja Vu instead? Should I be
    asking this question somewhere else?


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<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
<mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>>
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Re: Ubuntu Font Testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Yea, crazy crazy link. I send in plain text, so I didn't think about it. 
The link has spaces in it.


Let me just end the madness by fixing the wiki:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFontFamily/Testing

Nicholas


On 01/05/2016 03:08 PM, chris hermansen wrote:
Nicolas, that link redirected me to 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home?action=show=Ubuntu




On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Nicholas Skaggs 
<nicholas.ska...@canonical.com <mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>> 
wrote:


Some of you have been at this already, but either way, please have
a look at the new Ubuntu Font if you are running Wily. It has some
fixes in it, specifically we need to verify 4 bugs + the Arabic
and Hebrew fixes. Full details can be found here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu Font Family/Testing

Happy Testing!

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Re: My hardware profile is added - Thanks!

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On 01/03/2016 09:57 AM, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:

On 03/01/16 14:46, Router wrote:



You are nearly there! You are on the right page :)

You need to make a note of the web address of your hardware profile. I
created one following steps A and B on the table for my Samsung 
NC10. In

that case, I ended up with a web address of
https://gist.github.com/21b61903871ee685fc79 You will need web 
address of

your computer's hardware profile for step C.

To quote the instructions on the page, when performing stage C, take 
this

advice in mind:-
*(Please follow the instructions on this page very carefully and 
edit only

the TOP TABLE. If you need help with editing a wiki page, just ask.)*

I am completely confident at editing HTML but even so I get nervous 
when

editing this table...

At the top of the page are some options. First thing to do is to 
make sure
you are logged in. If you aren't logged in, click on "Login" - if 
you need

more details, ask. Assuming you are now logged in, click on the "Edit"
option at the top of the page. You can now edit the raw page. Be very
careful. Follow the instructions. Use the "Preview" button and don't
hesitate to click on "Cancel" if you want to start over again.

BW,


Ian

Thanks Ian!  I have successfully added my hardware profile. In fact 
it was so much fun I may add another :-)  Actually I will run through 
the tests on the 64 bit PC I listed and then re-run them on an old 32 
bit machine which I will also add to the list (using the 32 bit image 
of course).


Ken

If you've done this so you can add this gist thing to the tracker test 
result pages - the option to add it no longer exists.


Yes, we just recently removed it during an update -- it was so confusing 
for people. (there's a few other updates we've snuck in too, we'll have 
to talk about soon!). We should update the wiki to reflect this change, 
and potentially think about what to do with / recommend hardware 
profiles going forward.


Nicholas

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Re: Package Tracker - Admin for ~ubuntustudio-release Team

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Sorry about that. I noticed both lubuntu and gnome didn't have permissions
to edit there own products on the package tracker. I've corrected the issue
in both cases. Let me know if you are still having trouble.

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Ross Gammon  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have recently become the Testing Lead for Ubuntu Studio, and we are
> busy (with flocculants help) writing Manual Test Cases.
>
> Therefore I would like to get some TestSuites set up on
> http://package.qa.ubuntu.com so that we can show off the new work and
> attract more testers and test writers before the next Beta release.
>
> As a member of the ~ubuntustudio-release team, I have access to the
> Admin pages on the ISO tracker, but not on the Package Tracker.
>
> How do I go about getting the admin rights for the ~ubuntustudio-release
> Team?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ross
> retail-0 on LP
> ROsco2 on IRC
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Re: Google Code In - Documentation

[Nicholas Skaggs]

This sounds like a plan Mike. We'll just need to make sure the 
description for the task makes sense to students.


We have to have 75 tasks to start, and need to supply at least 150 over 
the course of the program I believe. There's no upper limit ;-)


Nicholas

On 11/20/2015 12:07 PM, Mike Lloyd wrote:
Well, I've already crawled some of them with a Python script. I still 
have to go through them and remove various image and external links. 
Once I've done that, I'll create a spreadsheet based off this list. I 
am thinking of letting the students work on whatever part of the list 
they would like, whatever interests them most.


I'm fine with the review idea. I have the task set to the max of 10 
days, with the max amount of students allowed. Later reviews are most 
likely going to be easier.


Yeah, I think a QA wiki task would be good, and have it separate from 
the Help wiki task. I think we get 75 tasks as an org? I saw three, 
including mine, last night when I was logged in.


Mike.

On 11/20/15 9:08 AM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

On 11/19/2015 05:54 PM, Mike Lloyd wrote:

Hey guys. I created a documentation task that will help go through and
clean up help pages.

For students to pick work from, I will generate a master spreadsheet of
pages based off a site crawler, then each student can pick whatever 
page

they want to review from the spreadsheet.

To verify the what wiki help pages need to be updated, I would have the
student assigned to the page walk through the page, following it
step-by-step to make sure it is correct. If it doesn't work, the 
student
can then do research into how to make it work. If the student get's 
stuck
and can't figure out what steps are needed to make the information 
current,
they can ask a mentor for help. Before updating the page, I would 
have the
student email the changes to a mentor, have the mentor review the 
student's

changes, and then have the student update the page once a mentor has
verified.

If a page should be deleted, then the student can mark a page for 
deletion.
After the GCI is over, the list can be reviewed by the QA community 
before

a page is deleted.

I figure this is the best way to keep our help pages current. What 
are the
community thoughts? I based this off the Wiki Pages task example 
from here:

http://people.canonical.com/~alan/Google_Code-In_2015_Sample_Tasks.pdf

Here is the initial task:
https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/4830110020534272/

Mike.
Mike, a master list of potential pages is a good idea. Do you have a 
list to start? How will you crawl them? For the edits, I think it 
would be 'OK' to have the students edit the page directly, and then 
ask for a review. You could also do the whole clone / replace thing 
too if you don't like the idea of direct editing. That is, you copy 
the wiki page to a temporary page and edit it there. Once reviewed, 
you replace the original page and delete the copy.


Specific to the QATeam wiki, I think having a task to go through each 
of the Roles pages is an excellent place to start. I imagine there's 
also some dead pages / cloned pages, etc that could be found by 
looking at things like 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam?action=LikePages and 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing?action=LikePages. I'm sure wiki 
experts would have even more tricks.


Nicholas





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Google Code In Mentoring

[Nicholas Skaggs]

As you may have heard, ubuntu has been selected as a mentoring 
organization for Google Code In (GCI). GCI is a opportunity for high 
school students to learn about and participate in open source 
communities. Mentoring organizations create tasks and review the 
students work. Google then provides rewards for those students who do 
the best work. The contest runs from December 7, 2015 to January 25, 2016.


That means we need to come up with a list of tasks for students to work 
on, as well as mentors to review the tasks and help the students. This 
is an excellent opportunity to help introduce students to the ubuntu 
community, grow the list of potential contributors, and get some tasks 
done. We've put together a wiki page to answer specific questions about 
mentoring and what it entails[1], as well as a community portal that 
describes our role and goals for the contest[2]. You can create a be a 
mentor for as little as a single task, and we appreciate all the tasks 
and mentors we get.


I know we have some outstanding tasks and needs within the quality 
community, as well as some folks who would be excellent mentors for 
these tasks. I would urge you all to consider helping by creating tasks 
and volunteering to be a mentor. If you have any questions or would like 
to volunteer, don't hesitate to get in touch. Thanks everyone!


Nicholas

1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleCodeIn
2. http://community.ubuntu.com/google-code-in/

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Re: Fwd: Ubuntu Online Summit (3-5 Nov): Get your sessions in

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 10/24/2015 04:18 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Hi Nicholas and Marc,
[replying inline]
Best regards
Nio

Den 2015-10-23 kl. 22:09, skrev Marc Deslauriers:

Hi,

On 2015-10-23 03:50 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

On 10/21/2015 12:08 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Hi Nicholas and Marc,

Whoops, sorry for not replying earlier, I didn't notice the thread.


*Date and time*

Wednesday would be the best day for me, and Thursday the second best day
and Tuesday is not good at all.

I don't know how to arrange a session, so I would rely on you to make it
possible and book a time slot.

http://summit.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/. You want a discussion
session. I can help if it's still confusing, but see below. Sounds like you
might not want a session anymore.

If the problems with the SDC can be solved without a session, it is a
waste of effort and time to arrange a session for it.


*Content*

Now that you, Marc, have started the work to revamp the SDC by
simplifying it, and at the same time stating that none of the
alternative installers can be accepted, I'm not sure what to discuss in
such a session. Maybe something along these lines:

Seems you have some things to discuss, but it doesn't have to be a session if
you don't want it to be. Since we've settled on not changing the default, the
impact is certainly lessened and indeed there is less to discuss. It's up to
you. We should start a new thread to discuss your questions though if you want
to go that route. Perhaps a status from Marc would help also.

Yes, I'm glad that both of you have replied now :-)


I did work on SDC before I went on holiday. I haven't looked at it since I came
back, but I believe it was usable. I ripped out all the unused code, and it now
simply copies the image to the USB device, which should make it reliable and
able to work with all the different flavours.

I'll try and get it packaged in a PPA early next week if anyone wants to test 
it.

Yes, I want to test it, just tell me when it is ready for testing, and I
hope several other people will test it too.


Can we decide to make the SDC reliable by removing its ability to create
persistent live drives?

1. As a temporary solution to make it work again

I think this is the best solution for now, and if everyone is in agreement, I
think I'll ask that it gets uploaded to Xenial.

+1


2. In the long perspective

2.1. Should persistence be added afterwards, when a reliable method is
found (for example the method, that was developed by Andre Rodovalho and
modified by me in mkusb)?

2.2. Or is it enough that the SDC is creating 'live-only' pendrives?
Users who want persistent live pendrives, can be adviced to use one of
the available alternatives (but they will not be included in Ubuntu).

I think I'm in this camp. Keep the default as simple as possible. More advanced
usage can advocate other tools. And there's no reason they can be packaged in
the ubuntu archives so they are easy to get.

I think recommending an alternative such as mkusb is probably the best solution
too, but I don't have any objection if someone wants to add a persistence mode
back in SDC...perhaps as a non-default option (maybe even requiring it to be
launched with a command line option for it to show up in the GUI...).

Marc.


I'm open for both of these alternatives (with and without persistence).
I have tried to get people's opinion about it at the Ubuntu Forums, but
there are not many replies or votes, and there is no overwhelming
indication in either direction. (But most votes and replies indicate
that *something* must be done with the SDC to make it work in a reliable
way.)

Maybe there will be more opinion, when your version of the SDC is
uploaded to the repo, Marc. In that case we can help deciding what to do
and maybe help doing it.

-o-

One thing we have not yet discussed is re-using the pendrive. It is more
difficult to re-use a pendrive after an iso file is cloned to it,
because there is an ISO 9660 file system, which is read-only.

There are wiping options in mkusb version 10.3. I think one of them
should be added to the SDC, the standard one, that wipes the first
mibibyte and creates an MSDOS partition table and a FAT32 partition.
I would say this too would be "advanced" usage, and for simplicity and 
robustness sake, it shouldn't be in SDC. I'm glad to hear mkusb has 
those options so alternatives exist. I don't want to stray too far off 
topic, but I think it would be useful to get mkusb in the archives. I'm 
not sure where the project or source code lives, but consider getting it 
accepted into debian / ubuntu so it will be a part of the next LTS.


Nicholas

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It's show and tell time!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

UOS Time is here! UOS is the Ubuntu Online Summit we hold each cycle to 
talk about what's happening in ubuntu. UOS 15.11 will be on November 3rd 
- 5th.


I'm writing to encourage everyone to not only attend, but to also 
consider presenting a session for the 'Show and Tell' track(1). Sessions 
are open to everyone as a platform for sharing interesting and unique 
things with the rest of the community. These sessions can be very short 
(5 or 10 minutes) and are a great way to share about your work within 
ubuntu.


This means things like demos, quick talks, and 'show and tell' type 
things. A typical session may last 5-15 minutes, with time for 
questions. It's a great way to spend a few minutes talking about 
something you made, work on, or find interesting. Your demo can be 
unscripted, and informal. *This does not have to be a technical talk or 
demo*, though those are certainly welcomed. Please feel free to how off 
design work, documentation, translation, interesting user tricks or 
anything else that tickles your fancy!


Last cycle we had developers talking about new APIs, flavors teams doing 
Q and A sessions and demos, users sharing tricks, and even a live 
hacking session where we collectively worked on an application for the 
phone. Check them out(2). I'd love to see an even greater representation 
this time around.


Proposing a session(3) is simple to do, and there's even a webpage(4) to 
help you! If you need help proposing, feel free to contact myself, 
hggdh, David Calle, or Laura Czajkowski who are your friendly track 
leads for this track. Once it's proposed the session will be assigned a 
date and time. Myself or another track lead will try to follow-up with 
you before UOS to ensure you are ready and the date and time is suitable 
for you.


Thanks!

Nicholas

1. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/tracks
2. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/track/show/
3. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/propose_meeting/
4. http://uds.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/


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Fwd: Ubuntu Online Summit (3-5 Nov): Get your sessions in

[Nicholas Skaggs]

If you have an idea for a quality session, now is the time to get it in. 
Nio, Marc, let's make sure we get a session for startup disk creator :-)


In addition, there's room for show and tell sessions. If you just want 
to show off something cool, or talk about a useful piece of software and 
demo it, this is your chance. It can be quick and unscripted. Just come 
prepared to demo something and answer some questions and interact with 
others. To see examples, check out the show and tell videos from last UOS.


http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/track/show/

Nicholas


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Subject:Ubuntu Online Summit (3-5 Nov): Get your sessions in
Date:   Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:26:57 +0200
From:   Daniel Holbach 
Reply-To:   ubuntu-devel-disc...@lists.ubuntu.com
To: ubuntu-devel-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com



Hello everybody,

from 3-5 Nov we are going to have our next Ubuntu Online Summit where we
plan the X release. As at the last times, everything will happen on
Google Hangouts and the schedule is going to be up at summit.ubuntu.com.

Now is the best time to get your sessions in, it just takes a couple of
minutes:

 http://summit.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/

Please bring it up in your teams and make sure we have all your
important sessions, no matter if they are discussion or planning
sessions or if you want to make them more like demos or workshops.

Thanks a lot in advance and see you in two weeks!
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Introducing Pilot; an app for testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Since the initial announcement of a Ubuntu phone, the community has been 
involved with finding bugs, fixing things, developing apps, and helping 
make the phone what it is today. As time went on, users have been asking 
for an easier way to help test new versions of Ubuntu, new core apps, 
new services, etc. I agreed with them and longed for an easy to use 
application that would allow an enthusiast to help run needed tests and 
communicate the results.


Today, I'd like to introduce a new application that is based on the 
excellent work by the checkbox team called Pilot. This application is 
the culmination of that dream. Pilot allows you to run manual tests on 
your device and submit your results back to the QA team within 
Canonical. You can execute tests on your phone at any time directly via 
the application. Application updates will bring new tests that the QA 
team wishes to target.


So try the app out. Run through the tests and submit results. And then 
also let us know what you think of using the application. It's my desire 
to make the act of testing simple enough for you to do whenever the mood 
strikes! Otherwise you might just play Falldown[1] instead :p


Nicholas

1. http://rpadovani.com/falldown-010/

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Re: replacing the Startup Disk Creator

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 09/28/2015 08:22 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Den 2015-09-28 kl. 13:56, skrev Marc Deslauriers:

On 2015-09-28 07:48 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Den 2015-09-21 kl. 18:03, skrev Nicholas Skaggs:

On 09/19/2015 07:29 AM, Marc Deslauriers wrote:

On 2015-09-19 07:04 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Hi Marc,

My standard ISP's mail server is down. So I tried to send this mail
via Google's
web mail interface. In my saved version of the mail, there is an
attachment
"SCC-test.ods", size 17692 bytes. I'll try again ...

Best regards
Nio


That's a very interesting spreadsheet, thanks for doing that. It seems
most
issues are:

- A known bug in udisks that prevents the erase function from working
reliably
(LP: #1460602)

- A mismatch between syslinux versions between the host system
creating the usb
key and the version being installed (LP: #1325801)

- A limitation of the fix for the syslinux issue that prevents amd64
images from
being created on i386 systems (LP: #1446646)


I believe a simple way to eliminate every one of these issues at once
in UDC
would be to get rid of the persistence functionality. All of the
currently
supported images can now be written directly to a usb device as-is.

The syslinux and boot loader mangling that is currently required for
persistence
and used to be required for older end of life releases is a constant
source of
problems each time a new release come out and is difficult to get working
properly on mismatched architectures.

Removing persistence would also simplify the user interface and would
remove the
need of having the "Erase Disk" button, therefore eliminating the
known udisks
issue as a side effect.

Advanced users who require generating a usb key with persistence can
simply use
one of the other tools that are available. Perhaps in the future
persistence
could be added back by creating a partition in the free space left
over after
copying over the image.

Changing UDC to remove persistence and to copy images as-is is a
trivial change,
and I am willing to volunteer to do it.

Marc.



Marc, this sounds like a great way to accomplishes two things at once.
It both simplifies the application for users,  while making the process
more robust. I'm in support.

Nicholas


Hi Nicholas and Marc,

I have added two test cases to the spreadsheet, now updated to
'SDC-test1.ods'. You find it via the following link

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2291946=2=13358864#post13358864

Would it be possible to remove persistence and to copy images as-is
already in Wily? Or will Wily be released with the most acute bugfix but
with some remaining serious bugs in the SDC, or maybe even without any
bugfix, if the limited time will only allow for more important
bug-fixes? Anyway, I can volunteer to help testing, what you develop, Marc.

I have assumed that we are talking about 'removing persistence' in the
next release, 16.04 LTS, because there must be a formal decision. Is it
like this, Nicholas, or can we 'save the SDC is Wily' with Marc's
suggestion?


Hi Nio,

I'm currently working on SDC in my free time. You can track progress here:

https://code.launchpad.net/~mdeslaur/usb-creator/imaging-rework

I still have a few things to fix, and then I'll build test packages to try out.

It's likely too late to have any rework in Wily, as we're already past feature
freeze and UI freeze. That being said, I'd definitely like it to get SRUed into
all releases when I'm done.

Marc.


Hi Marc,

That's great news, that you have already started :-)

I did not know how it works. Please send a mail directly to me, when you
have something to test, and I will test it and give you feedback as soon
as possible.

It is as I feared, too late for the Wily release. But the next LTS will
be the important one, and SRU should be accepted. I'm thinking of the
previous LTS versions. to provide a reliable built-in tool to install
the next [LTS] version.

Best regards
Nio
I'm sure Marc will have everyone on this thread give feedback as soon as 
something is ready :-) As Marc said, since this will look to be SRU'd 
(which will also need everyone's help with getting accepted!), all the 
stable versions of ubuntu will benefit. So we needn't think of being 
"late" for wily as a large issue. The next LTS as well as the previous 
will get the update.


Thanks again everyone. I can't wait to see the results of this effort.

Nicholas

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Ubuntu Font Testing: Arabic

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Some of you may remember the birth of the ubuntu font family during the 
10.10 cycle. The time has come to finish that work as well as fix a few 
issues with the current font set. To start with, the design team has 
been working on Arabic, and is ready for some feedback on how the font 
looks and interacts.


To help gather your feedback, we've made a simple survey. It contains 
the information you need to get the font, as well as the opportunity to 
leave feedback.


https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ubuntuarabicfonttesting

I understand not many of you may speak Arabic or a related language, but 
if you do, please have a look.


For those of you who might be wondering about testing the rest of the 
ubuntu font family, the answer is yes! I'll be asking for testing of the 
entire fontset in the coming weeks. Look for it. In the meantime, please 
have a look at the Arabic font if possible. We welcome your testing and 
feedback.


Thanks,

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Wily Final Beta Testing is here

[Nicholas Skaggs]

We we are little delayed in getting the milestone setup, but it's all 
now ready and waiting for your results.


How can I help?
To help test, visit the iso tracker milestone page for final beta, which 
is found here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/346/builds. 
The goal is to verify the images in preparation for the release. Find 
those bugs! The information at the top of the page will help you if you 
need help reporting a bug or understanding how to test.


Isotracker?
There's a first time for everything! Check out the handy links on top of 
the isotracker page detailing how to perform an image test, as well as a 
little about how the qatracker itself works. If you still aren't sure or 
get stuck, feel free to contact the qa community or myself for help.


How long is this going on?
The testing runs through tomorrow, Thursday September 24th, when the the 
images for final beta will be released. If you miss the deadline we 
still love getting results! Test against the daily image milestone instead.


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Re: replacing the Startup Disk Creator

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 09/19/2015 07:29 AM, Marc Deslauriers wrote:

On 2015-09-19 07:04 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Hi Marc,

My standard ISP's mail server is down. So I tried to send this mail via Google's
web mail interface. In my saved version of the mail, there is an attachment
"SCC-test.ods", size 17692 bytes. I'll try again ...

Best regards
Nio


That's a very interesting spreadsheet, thanks for doing that. It seems most
issues are:

- A known bug in udisks that prevents the erase function from working reliably
(LP: #1460602)

- A mismatch between syslinux versions between the host system creating the usb
key and the version being installed (LP: #1325801)

- A limitation of the fix for the syslinux issue that prevents amd64 images from
being created on i386 systems (LP: #1446646)


I believe a simple way to eliminate every one of these issues at once in UDC
would be to get rid of the persistence functionality. All of the currently
supported images can now be written directly to a usb device as-is.

The syslinux and boot loader mangling that is currently required for persistence
and used to be required for older end of life releases is a constant source of
problems each time a new release come out and is difficult to get working
properly on mismatched architectures.

Removing persistence would also simplify the user interface and would remove the
need of having the "Erase Disk" button, therefore eliminating the known udisks
issue as a side effect.

Advanced users who require generating a usb key with persistence can simply use
one of the other tools that are available. Perhaps in the future persistence
could be added back by creating a partition in the free space left over after
copying over the image.

Changing UDC to remove persistence and to copy images as-is is a trivial change,
and I am willing to volunteer to do it.

Marc.


Marc, this sounds like a great way to accomplishes two things at once. 
It both simplifies the application for users,  while making the process 
more robust. I'm in support.


Nicholas

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Re: replacing the Startup Disk Creator

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 09/18/2015 10:03 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

I disagree. The incredibly long list of Unetbootin bugs leads me to believe it's
in a worse state than Startup Disk Creator:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/unetbootin/+bugs?orderby=-id=0
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unetbootin/+bugs?field.searchtext==-id=0
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=unetbootin
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=775689

I have no objection to replacing Startup Disk Creator with something better, but
the replacement would need to at least adhere to the following criteria:

1- Support UEFI
2- Be easy to use (including user testing)
3- Use a modern secure design (backend service that does the minimum privileged
operations, frontend that supports multiple toolkits, communication over dbus
and policykit integration)
4- Support udisks for proper hardware integration
5- Be reliable
6- Be written in a language that is maintainable
7- Be of quality enough to pass a MIR (Main inclusion request)
8- Have developers who are willing to commit to supporting it in the Ubuntu
archive, and for the duration of the LTS releases

Looking at the list of alternatives that are listed in the forum thread, I see
no viable alternative that would be a good enough replacement for the moment.

Marc.

Hi again,

I hope that you will not repeat the Nokia mistake ;-)

You must realize that several qualified users consider the Startup Disk
Creator buggy beyond repair, not only at the Ubuntu Forums but also
among the Lubuntu users. And LXLE has already replaced it with MultibootUSB.

If you can accept no alternative, and cannot fix the bugs very soon,
things are really going downhill. The SDC has already been severely
buggy for four years. It is time for "thinking outside the box".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot

But on the other hand, if our attempt to replace it will make you really
fix the bugs, that is also a good result, and well worth the effort :-)

-o-

Right now I am testing different cases and will try to send a report
about my results within a day or two. I know now, that wiping the first
mibibyte and after that creating a fresh MSDOS partition table and a
partition with FAT32 will make a pendrive, that the SDC can use. It
works at least in Lubuntu 14.04.2 32-bit.

Would you consider my solution to the 'Erase Disk' problem, to wipe the
first mibibyte, good or 'crude and ugly'?

The SDC does not work at all in yesterday's Lubuntu Wily daily 32-bit
iso file.

Best regards
Nio


Hey everyone. I know this topic hits close to home for many of you, and 
things at times can be really frustrating.  Everyone here has worked on 
tools and solutions to creating a startup disk for ubuntu and family. 
You all know how difficult it is to create a tool to do this, and how 
fragile things can be. USB drives can be finicky, hardware has weird 
interactions, and the whole UEFI changes have made things even harder 
than ever. With that in mind, let's be positive forces for change. 
Remember to not make demands on others, but rather offer help and 
solutions. Let's make sure we are channeling our efforts towards 
improving the situation by filing bugs, working on fixes, and 
documenting workarounds and solutions in the interim. Be good to one 
another.


Now Nio, it's been great to see your passion for this over the last few 
cycles. I know it's something you clearly care about and want to make 
better for everyone. You care enough to have written a tool (mkusb) 
yourself to try and make it easier for people to create USB images. 
That's awesome, and I'm glad their is another option available. Not many 
people are willing to invest the time towards directly solving a problem.


I encourage you to have a UOS session to talk about SDC and the critical 
bugs you and others are seeing. I can help you get it scheduled. In the 
meantime, file bugs, write patches, fix things. In open source, the best 
solutions evolve naturally. Keep working on mkusb too. There's no reason 
to think or desire for the disk utility, SDC, unetbootin, or mkusb to go 
away. I don't want you to think one of these tools needs to replace all 
of the others. To loose one of the options would be a bad thing. We're 
all in this together!


Improving any one of the tools helps everyone, no matter what the ubuntu 
default is. I've used all of those tools, and will likely continue to do 
so. I develop tastes and needs for myself and I'm happy to have choices. 
It's what makes open source great. Everyone here shares the same goal of 
making it easier to create a startup disk. I encourage you to strive to 
make all the options better.


Now as for the default option, we owe it to the community to try and 
pick a sane default. Something that will work easily for most people. 
The cost of switching is non-trivial, so we must be careful to not be 
hasty in switching. I think Marc gave you a great list of things the 
default should do and do well. It would be interesting 

Unity 7 Bug Bonanza

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Will Cooke has posted about an effort to get Unity in shape for the next 
LTS: http://www.whizzy.org/2015/09/big-bug-bonanza-16-04-lts/


"How you can help
First of all we need help in triaging the bug list. You don’t need to be 
a superstar software developer to do this, everyone can help and 
contribute to Ubuntu. You will need a Launchpad account though. We will 
publish a link to a list of bugs in Launchpad for Unity 7 (and in time 
Compiz & Nux) which we think need manual checking. The links are 
available at this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BigDesktopBugScrub "


Do have a read and consider helping out on this effort!

Nicholas

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Re: Fwd: Fwd: Proposed UOS date

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Nio, I agree now is the time to get the conversation started; don't wait 
until UOS. You should certainly plan on having a discussion at UOS, but 
I would start the discussion now. You'll want to talk to the -desktop 
folks as you are really asking about replacing a default application. I 
would think feature parity amongst other things would be important to 
them. Plus documentation changes, etc. The sooner you get notice to 
everyone, the better chance you will have with this. Good luck!


Nicholas

On 09/14/2015 10:00 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Hi Nicholas,

In the Ubuntu Forums we are discussing tools for making USB boot drives,
that can replace the Ubuntu Startup Disk Creator, SDC, in the next LTS.
The number and severity of bugs in the SDC has made us start this
discussion.

I suggest that we have a session about making install media and making
it easier, particularly for beginners, to install Ubuntu (and the Ubuntu
family of operating systems).

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2289225

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2291946

Right now Unetbootin has the highest score in a poll, but the poll is
only one criterion for what to select. It is important to listen to
people who know several tools and can tell the difference between them
and to consider which tools are reliable as well as easy to use.

Best regards
Nio alias sudodus at the Ubuntu Forums

Den 2015-09-14 kl. 15:36, skrev Nicholas Skaggs:

The next UOS is coming, and it will be for an LTS. UOS is the Ubuntu
Online Summit we hold each cycle to talk about what's happening in
ubuntu. Now's a good time to think about what sessions would be helpful,
and to plan to attend.

Those of your who might be wondering what UOS is can also check out the
last summit and FAQ page:

http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/
http://uds.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/

Cheers,

Nicholas


 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Fwd: Proposed UOS date
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:08:51 +0100
From: Alan Pope <alan.p...@canonical.com>
To: ubuntu-community-team <ubuntu-community-t...@lists.ubuntu.com>,
ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com
CC: ubuntu-news-t...@lists.ubuntu.com, Daniel Holbach
<daniel.holb...@canonical.com>



Hi all,

I don't believe we had any objections to the dates put forward by
Daniel below, so lets set the following dates for the next Ubuntu
Online Summit (UOS):-

Tuesday November 3rd through Thursday November 5th, 14:00 to 20:00 UTC.

We'll begin setting up summit and launchpad this week.

https://launchpad.net/sprints/uos-1511

I'd recommend everyone starts giving some serious thought as to
sessions they want at UOS. It would be great to settle these nice and
early as our next cycle is an LTS, so I imagine we have a lot to
discuss! :)

Thanks everyone,
Al.


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From: Daniel Holbach <daniel.holb...@ubuntu.com>
Date: 3 September 2015 at 17:18
Subject: Proposed UOS date
To: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com>,
ubuntu-community-team <ubuntu-community-t...@lists.ubuntu.com>


Hello,

the feedback for the last UOS was to bring it back in sync with Ubuntu's
release cycle again.

As Ubuntu 15.10 releases on 2015-10-22 and UOS is usually from Tue to
Thu, I'd like so suggest

 2015-11-03 -- 2015-11-05

as the following week USA have Veterans Day (2015-11-11).

This would give everyone enough time to get over release day hangover
and we should also have opened the archive for the X cycle again.

Any objections?

If there are none, I'm going to announce this end of next week.

Thanks in advance.

Have a great day,
  Daniel

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Re: Amd 64 Server jeos on kvm test 1458 is oversized

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 09/02/2015 04:20 PM, Brendan Perrine wrote:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:06:26 -0400
Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> wrote:


We'll need a reply from the server folks to see if they want to maintain

This is not about cd sized images this about the line saying
--  17 Check that the size of the installed system is below 800M:
df -h in testcase 1458 as in the used space after the install.

Brendan Perrine <walteror...@gmail.com>
Right. So we need to understand if the installed size is intended to 
still fit in this target or not. By your claims, it seems to have jumped 
quite a bit. If it's not intended for the installed size to remain 
small, we can easily remove it.


Nicholas

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Fwd: [Ubuntu-phone] Next generation of SDK

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Those of you who are into phone development, or just curious, the SDK 
team would love some feedback on the new Ubuntu SDK. Check out the info 
below.



 Forwarded Message 
Subject:[Ubuntu-phone] Next generation of SDK
Date:   Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:13:32 +0300
From:   Zoltán Balogh 
To: ubuntu-phone 



Hi all,

I have just posted on the Developer blog ->

https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/09/01/next-generation-sdk/

I kindly invite anybody for testing this new kind of Ubuntu SDK.

No need to get scared :) the UI and the flow is the same as now... just
much faster to set up and brings the very same bits to LTS users as to
Wily riders.

For the brave it takes only that much ->

$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/tools-development -y &&
sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk-ide ubuntu-sdk-api-tools
ubuntu-sdk-api-15.04-armhf ubuntu-sdk-api-15.04-i386

After that you can have a hot beverage break :) depending on your
network as it downloads ~1GB data. But once it is done, you are good to
go :)

Note, this is not officially released yet! It is more like a tech preview.

Feedbacks, comments and ideas are welcome.

cheers,

bzoltan

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Re: Where to clone kernel from

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 09/01/2015 02:05 PM, Colin Law wrote:

On 1 September 2015 at 16:38, Colin Law  wrote:

Hi,

Hopefully this is an appropriate forum to ask this. Am helping to
track down bug https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53071 which
exhibits itself on my laptop running Wily.  By installing kernels from
http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D I have
determined that it was introduced between 3.19.8-vivid and
4.0-rc1-vivid.  The plan is to clone the kernel git repo and git
bisect to find the commit.  Since they are labelled vivid I cloned
git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-vivid.git (which took a long
time on my 1.5Mb broadband) but the latest tag in there is
3.19.0-28.30

Is the right one to use
https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/wily?

That does not contain the tags I am looking for either.  Does anyone
know where there is a repository with tags for 3.19.8-vivid and
4.0-rc1-vivid?

Colin


Cheers

Colin Law
Adding in the kernel team who might be able to help more. Colin, have 
you seen / read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBisection?


If I had to guess, I'd be looking in the mainline tree: 
http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/linux.git, and the conversion table 
http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html. 
Really, that wiki should have all the information you need to do the 
bisection.


Thanks for making ubuntu better by tracking this down, and good luck!

Nicholas

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Re: Volunteers needed -- Automated Image Testing for flavors

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Thanks for the updates svij. A number of you offered help in hosting the
service. Thanks for all of your offers! Since Max had both the hardware and
ability to host already, it seemed to make sense to allow him to self-host
this.

So, Max will work on getting the jenkins visible to everyone publicly and
reply back with it's location. Everyone will be able to view, and those in
the testcase admins group (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase) will be
able to also build and rebuild jobs.

Since we'll want to maintain the jobs running the tests collectively, I've
setup a new launchpad project to host the job code.(
https://launchpad.net/community-image-testing). It's blank for now, but as
Max sets up the initial jobs, he'll commit to it. From there we can handle
job modifications collectively as a group via source control. Anyone will
be able to suggest changes as merge proposals, the same as any other
launchpad project. In this way, should we ever wish to, or need to migrate
to a new jenkins, it should be easy to do so.

As always, thoughts, comments, suggestions, etc are most welcome! It would
be helpful to get feedback on how we're setting this up to make sure
everyone can collaborate sanely.

With the jenkins and hosting issue out of the way, we really need to solve
the issue of the tests not running and ubiquity crashing while trying to
execute the tests.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1487098

As always, those brave souls who are willing to follow
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/autopilot/README.md
and try and get ubiquity to run the tests and figure out the issues and/or
fix the tests themselves would be most appreciated!

Nicholas

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Sujeevan (svij) Vijayakumaran 
s...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I have a few updates for you. I tried to run the tests on ec2 and on
 digital ocean. The tests uses qemu with kvm to boot the isos.
 Unfortunately I turned off the usage of kvm, which resulted in two
 things: a) It's rather slow. b) irqbalance keeps crashing.

 I've tried to run the tests on different days, with differents isos and
 different ubuntu versions. The main issue was, that irqbalance on the
 slave (the booted iso system) keeps crashing. Atleast it did work at the
 beginning - sometimes.

 I would suggest to run the tests on real hardware. Running the tests in
 the cloud doesn't seem to be really doable, if irqbalance keeps
 crashing. If someone knows how to fix that, it might be a bit different.

 -- Sujee

 Am 01.08.2015 um 15:19 schrieb Sujeevan (svij) Vijayakumaran:
  Hi,
 
  Am 31.07.2015 um 22:32 schrieb Nicholas Skaggs:
  -svij and shrini agreed to setup a test jenkins instance to help answer
  our lingering questions on what we need. Specifically they'll be
 looking at
  where should we host this?
  can we test in the cloud?
  what type of setup should we have (how many slaves, how many instances)?
  and trying to get us all setup with a jenkins instance we can add jobs
  to and iterate on moving forward.
 
 
  I've set up an Jenkins-Master server today, but there isn't anything yet
  (http://jenkins.svij.org). It runs on digital ocean (for 10$/month +
  2$/month for backups)
 
  I also had a look into the tests to check the other questions. The sad
  thing is, that we can't host this on digitalocean, because digitalocean
  doesn't support nested kvm virtualisation. The tests do use local kvm on
  the host machine.
 
  We have three options now:
 
   * rent a physical machine, where we can run the tests on local kvm
   * buy a physical machine and host that somewhere (e.g. at someones
 home…)
   * rent a amazon ec2 instance (which is virtualized but uses hvm with
 xen)
 
  All three options are kind of expensive. The first option probably needs
  a contract for atleast a year (depends on the provider). IMHO the best
  solution is to use amazon ec2. We could write a script which starts an
  fresh ec2 instance and runs the tests. After that we can drop the ec2
  instance again. Running the ec2 instance (t2.medium with 2GB RAM) 24/7
  would nearly cost 40$… but they were idling most of the time anyway. So
  the best and cheapest option is to only use them, when there are new iso
  images to test. The jenkins master server needs to run 24/7, that could
  continue to run on digital ocean.
 
  I don't have experience with amazon aws/ec2, if theres something wrong,
  please correct me.
 
  Cheers,
  Sujeevan
 

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Re: Package QA Tracker

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On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Pasi Lallinaho p...@shimmerproject.org
wrote:

 On 19/08/15 09:27, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:
  On 18/08/15 21:44, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
  It can be setup anyway you wish. Historically it's been found useful
  to retain the results for an entire cycle at once for packages. When
  we removed older results, we got duplicate bugs and it was harder to
  see what had been touched and what had not. It would be interesting
  to have a discussion about how you want to use the tracker and what
  would be the most useful to you. It's likely we can make the changes
  you want without needing to make changes to the site/code. It would
  simply require a quorum among those who use it.
 
  Or.
 
  Something not needing quorum would be to have to work like the image
  tracker.
 
  Xubuntu have both types at our bit of that tracker.
 
  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/340/builds
 
  64 and 32 bit refresh daily. The core package doesn't - just sits
  there for a whole cycle.
 
  If we did that then one flavours preference wouldn't affect anyone else.
 

 The package tracker can work in the same way as the ISO tracker already;
 you can add new builds per package at least manually. The problematic
 part with this are packages that are shared; you can only have one way
 with one package.

 In my opinion, if we want non-full-cycle builds, then the builds would
 have to update automatically and happen only when packages are actually
 updated. I don't think there is code that could do this currently.

The code to do this can  be seen in action on the debian installer. It does
technically exist, but I'm not sure it's something we want to pursue.
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/340/builds/98875/testcases

It's updated only when a new version is published.


 Instead of trying to change how the builds work, another option would be
 adjusting how the current data is laid out. I could see that a version
 field in the reporting form could get us to similar results as with
 fiddling with builds if that field was somehow shown in the reported
 bugs list. This would obviously need new code too, but updates to the
 bug list have been planned for a long time - this is easily done with
 those changes.

Indeed. Folks interested in solving some of the longstanding bugs, please
check out the bug tracker and get in touch here on the list. The site is in
drupal. The wiki has everything you need to know to get started (
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Developer#Developing_the_QA_Trackers)
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Re: Volunteers needed -- Automated Image Testing for flavors

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 08/01/2015 09:19 AM, Sujeevan (svij) Vijayakumaran wrote:

Hi,

Am 31.07.2015 um 22:32 schrieb Nicholas Skaggs:

-svij and shrini agreed to setup a test jenkins instance to help answer
our lingering questions on what we need. Specifically they'll be looking at
where should we host this?
can we test in the cloud?
what type of setup should we have (how many slaves, how many instances)?
and trying to get us all setup with a jenkins instance we can add jobs
to and iterate on moving forward.


I've set up an Jenkins-Master server today, but there isn't anything yet
(http://jenkins.svij.org). It runs on digital ocean (for 10$/month +
2$/month for backups)

I also had a look into the tests to check the other questions. The sad
thing is, that we can't host this on digitalocean, because digitalocean
doesn't support nested kvm virtualisation. The tests do use local kvm on
the host machine.

We have three options now:

  * rent a physical machine, where we can run the tests on local kvm
  * buy a physical machine and host that somewhere (e.g. at someones home…)
  * rent a amazon ec2 instance (which is virtualized but uses hvm with xen)

All three options are kind of expensive. The first option probably needs
a contract for atleast a year (depends on the provider). IMHO the best
solution is to use amazon ec2. We could write a script which starts an
fresh ec2 instance and runs the tests. After that we can drop the ec2
instance again. Running the ec2 instance (t2.medium with 2GB RAM) 24/7
would nearly cost 40$… but they were idling most of the time anyway. So
the best and cheapest option is to only use them, when there are new iso
images to test. The jenkins master server needs to run 24/7, that could
continue to run on digital ocean.

I don't have experience with amazon aws/ec2, if theres something wrong,
please correct me.

Cheers,
Sujeevan

Sujeevan, thanks for looking into this! While I see there's some tricks 
available to allow for nested virtualization, do we know this will 
actually work? Can anyone comment if they've used things like 
xen-blanket in the past for this?


On the other options, I'm open to feedback. Does anyone have suggested 
hardware or hosting since we are looking more and more like we need 
physical servers for this? Those with jenkins experience, what about the 
thought of keeping master as a cloud server, and have a physical machine 
be the slave that is located in someone's house or hosted?


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Re: Volunteers needed -- Automated Image Testing for flavors

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 08/04/2015 10:39 AM, Mike Lloyd wrote:
I have two G5s, a G4 and a 4U G1 I can donate if someone wants to pay 
for shipping or hosting.


Mike.

On Tue, 4 Aug 2015 at 08:36 Nicholas Skaggs 
nicholas.ska...@canonical.com mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com 
wrote:


On 08/01/2015 09:19 AM, Sujeevan (svij) Vijayakumaran wrote:
 Hi,

 Am 31.07.2015 um 22:32 schrieb Nicholas Skaggs:
 -svij and shrini agreed to setup a test jenkins instance to
help answer
 our lingering questions on what we need. Specifically they'll
be looking at
 where should we host this?
 can we test in the cloud?
 what type of setup should we have (how many slaves, how many
instances)?
 and trying to get us all setup with a jenkins instance we can
add jobs
 to and iterate on moving forward.

 I've set up an Jenkins-Master server today, but there isn't
anything yet
 (http://jenkins.svij.org). It runs on digital ocean (for 10$/month +
 2$/month for backups)

 I also had a look into the tests to check the other questions.
The sad
 thing is, that we can't host this on digitalocean, because
digitalocean
 doesn't support nested kvm virtualisation. The tests do use
local kvm on
 the host machine.

 We have three options now:

   * rent a physical machine, where we can run the tests on local kvm
   * buy a physical machine and host that somewhere (e.g. at
someones home…)
   * rent a amazon ec2 instance (which is virtualized but uses
hvm with xen)

 All three options are kind of expensive. The first option
probably needs
 a contract for atleast a year (depends on the provider). IMHO
the best
 solution is to use amazon ec2. We could write a script which
starts an
 fresh ec2 instance and runs the tests. After that we can drop
the ec2
 instance again. Running the ec2 instance (t2.medium with 2GB
RAM) 24/7
 would nearly cost 40$… but they were idling most of the time
anyway. So
 the best and cheapest option is to only use them, when there are
new iso
 images to test. The jenkins master server needs to run 24/7,
that could
 continue to run on digital ocean.

 I don't have experience with amazon aws/ec2, if theres something
wrong,
 please correct me.

 Cheers,
 Sujeevan

Sujeevan, thanks for looking into this! While I see there's some
tricks
available to allow for nested virtualization, do we know this will
actually work? Can anyone comment if they've used things like
xen-blanket in the past for this?

On the other options, I'm open to feedback. Does anyone have suggested
hardware or hosting since we are looking more and more like we need
physical servers for this? Those with jenkins experience, what
about the
thought of keeping master as a cloud server, and have a physical
machine
be the slave that is located in someone's house or hosted?

Nicholas

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Awesome Mike! Since we have hardware, that would make me more inclined 
to pursue somehow hosting this themselves. Mike could you host the 
devices as well or no?


And yes, we should be able to arrange funds for shipping to someone else 
if there's another volunteer who would be able to host.


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Re: Volunteers needed -- Automated Image Testing for flavors

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 07/30/2015 04:14 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

On 07/29/2015 04:01 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
Greetings everyone! I wanted to share some news about a renewed 
effort to restore automated installer testing of ubiquity using the 
daily images generated by cdimage. Up until last cycle, the images 
were being test automatically via a series of autopilot tests, 
written originally by the community (kudos to you Dan!). It was 
noticed the tests didn't run this cycle, and wxl accordingly filed an 
RT; https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=26570. In short, as 
part of some datacenter shuffling, we learned it's no longer possible 
for CI to run or maintain the tests. They recommended we host and run 
them ourselves as a community.


With the directions from CI in hand, I initially asked DanChapman and 
dkessel to investigate setting up a jenkins to run these tests. But 
they need your help! The autopilot tests for ubiquity have a few bugs 
that need solving. You can see them here: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bugs?field.tag=autopilot.


To help solve these bugs or to learn more, check out this document: 
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/autopilot/README.md. 
It will guide you through running the tests yourself locally. You 
should be able to replicate the tests following those instructions. 
From there, patches and comments on the bugs would be most welcome 
(as would additional bug reports should you find them).


Even with the tests working, however, we still need to setup a 
jenkins to run them. We'll also need to maintain this server. Anyone 
with experience or desire in this area? Ideas for reporting results 
(on the isotracker for instance) also need to be explored. This is 
likely to involve some python, and potentially some web work. Is 
anyone interested?


If you have some technical skills and want to help out, please do get 
in touch with myself, DanChapman or dkessel. The goal behind this 
effort is to see these tests be useful again this cycle for image 
testing and lowering the burden for manual testers.


Thanks!

Nicholas
Thanks to everyone who expressed an interest! I've created a document 
that will help answer your questions about what we are trying to do, 
and perhaps generate some more. http://bit.ly/1IO103i 
http://t.co/Rj0w6yQefI. Please leave your feedback and ideas inside 
the document.


In addition, for all those who are able and want to help out, we'll be 
having a meeting tomorrow, July 31st, at 1900 UTC in #ubuntu-quality 
on freenode. We'll go over the document, and finalize the plan of 
work. We'll also start to divvy up the needed tasks and pick a good 
day and time for future meetings as needed. If you miss the first one, 
don't worry, stay involved.


You can join the channel easily via webchat; 
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-quality


I hope to see you there!

Nicholas



A big thank you to everyone who came out today to talk through the next 
steps. Our next meeting will be 1900 UTC on Thursday August 6th in 
#ubuntu-quality on freenode. Please join us if you are able!


We took some actions for the next meeting.

-svij and shrini agreed to setup a test jenkins instance to help answer 
our lingering questions on what we need. Specifically they'll be looking at

where should we host this?
can we test in the cloud?
what type of setup should we have (how many slaves, how many instances)?
and trying to get us all setup with a jenkins instance we can add jobs 
to and iterate on moving forward.


-flocculant took an action to investigate when the images came available 
and gave feedback on avoiding failing images and those being built only 
for LTS releases as part of the initial release.


-DanChapman agreed to create a readme for debugging autopilot and 
ubiquity in order to help fix and maintain the current autopilot test 
suite.


-shrini also volunteered to help out by looking into the failing tests


Finally, we discussed reporting and determined simple would be best at 
first, coming up with a couple easy ideas to choose between later.


Again, thanks to everyone who volunteered! That said, the are still some 
outstanding needs you can help us with!


We need folks willing to help fix and maintain the ubiqiuty autopilot 
tests. There is some learning curve, but you won't be alone. Dan has 
offered to help guide anyone who wants to undertake this work. The first 
step would be fixing the known bugs within the tests so they can run 
successfully.


We also needsomeone who knows python to have a look at the isotracker 
API, and create a script to update the notice board with the latest 
results.This was the favored idea by those in attendance at the meeting 
for reporting the build results to everyone in the community. The API is 
here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/api. Note, you need to login to 
see it!



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Volunteers needed -- Automated Image Testing for flavors

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Greetings everyone! I wanted to share some news about a renewed effort 
to restore automated installer testing of ubiquity using the daily 
images generated by cdimage. Up until last cycle, the images were being 
test automatically via a series of autopilot tests, written originally 
by the community (kudos to you Dan!). It was noticed the tests didn't 
run this cycle, and wxl accordingly filed an RT; 
https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=26570. In short, as part of 
some datacenter shuffling, we learned it's no longer possible for CI to 
run or maintain the tests. They recommended we host and run them 
ourselves as a community.


With the directions from CI in hand, I initially asked DanChapman and 
dkessel to investigate setting up a jenkins to run these tests. But they 
need your help! The autopilot tests for ubiquity have a few bugs that 
need solving. You can see them here: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bugs?field.tag=autopilot.


To help solve these bugs or to learn more, check out this document: 
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/autopilot/README.md. 
It will guide you through running the tests yourself locally. You should 
be able to replicate the tests following those instructions. From there, 
patches and comments on the bugs would be most welcome (as would 
additional bug reports should you find them).


Even with the tests working, however, we still need to setup a jenkins 
to run them. We'll also need to maintain this server. Anyone with 
experience or desire in this area? Ideas for reporting results (on the 
isotracker for instance) also need to be explored. This is likely to 
involve some python, and potentially some web work. Is anyone interested?


If you have some technical skills and want to help out, please do get in 
touch with myself, DanChapman or dkessel. The goal behind this effort is 
to see these tests be useful again this cycle for image testing and 
lowering the burden for manual testers.


Thanks!

Nicholas

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Fwd: [Ubuntu-phone] [Call for testing] Wi-Fi Hotspots (Internet tethering)

[Nicholas Skaggs]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: 	[Ubuntu-phone] [Call for testing] Wi-Fi Hotspots (Internet 
tethering)

Date:   Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:05:09 +0200
From:   Jonas Drange jonas.dra...@canonical.com
To: Ubuntu Touch ubuntu-ph...@lists.launchpad.net



Hello everyone:

we've been working on Wi-Fi hotspots which will allow you to share your 
cellular data connection with nearby clients

​ using a wireless network.


This is now available
​in
 silo
​46
, for both vivid and wily phone
​ ​
images.Â
​We're happy with how it works, but we're looking for your feedback 
and unforeseen problems.



We want to ask you all to test it and report any issues
​. If you hit an issue, here's how to report it:

 *
   ​A client can't see the hotspot or the hotspot does not work:​

 o
   File against:Â
   ​
   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+filebug

   ​​
 o
   ​Please attach /var/log/syslog as well as
   ~/.cache/upstart/indicator-network.log*​

 *
   ​There's a problem with the System Settings UI:Â
 o
   File against:
   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+filebug
 o ​Please attach log files which you'll find here:
   ~/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log​*

​To start the hotspot:Â

1. Ensure Wi-Fi is enabled.
2. Go to System Settings - Mobile/Cellular​
3. Tap “Wi-Fi hotspot”
4. Set up your hotspot
5. Enable it.

​Helpful links:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/FAQ
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/NewbieGuide​

Thank you!​



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Core App Jenkins Migration

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Greetings everyone! We're currently working with CI to migrate to an 
entirely new jenkins system for core applications. The overall process 
as you know it (jenkins builds, run tests, approves, merges) should stay 
more or less the same. However, the new setup will allow us to actually 
run on devices as well as change and modify jobs quickly and easily. I 
also hope the migration will bring more robustness and ease of use for 
the CI process.


While we migrate however, the current process has some issues you may 
encounter. In this interim period, please don't hesitate to reach out to 
myself or Alan if you have any issues with jenkins.


As an example of an issue you are likely to run it is migrating to vivid 
frameworks. Currently some of the core apps are still running jobs which 
build under utopic. To migrate to vivid frameworks (as I assume most 
projects are doing / have done), these utopic jobs will need to be 
disabled. If you encounter this, let us know so we can tweak the jobs 
accordingly.


You might also experience some weirdness around building in vivid should 
you use or require something like the vivid overlay ppa.


Just keep your eyes peeled for jenkins issues and contact us to let us 
help you while we transition. It's my goal to have everything up and 
running on the new system asap, but it will still take some time.


Thanks everyone for your patience during these growing pains, and I 
trust the new jenkins setup will make your lives easier in the end :-)


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Fwd: Qt 5.5.0 - bug fixing needed

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Some good fun to be had testing the latest version of Qt!


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Qt 5.5.0 - bug fixing needed
Date:   Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:31:13 +0300
From:   Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com
To: 	ubuntu-devel ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com, 
ubuntu-ph...@lists.launchpad.net




Hi,

Qt 5.5.0 is testable on wily from
https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-012/
- including the new Qt 3D tech preview. It includes package rebuilds
needed for Ubuntu phones, Unity 8 desktop and Plasma 5 desktop, but I
have only tested the phone so far. On the desktop one would lose Qt
Creator since the old version does not build anymore and our new
version 3.5 git snapshot + Ubuntu plugin isn't ready yet.

I've filed bugs since I started with Qt 5.5.0 alpha in March, and more
now with the final 5.5:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.5 (10 bugs already
Fix Released not shown). Feel free to file more bugs, we don't want
regressions on the phone.

There are many bugs to be debugged before considering QA:ing and
landing Qt 5.5, so please help if your or your team's package is found
in the bug list.

There's also the big GCC 5 transition ongoing which must finish first,
and me + (z)Benjamin have Qt Creator 3.5 + Ubuntu plugin brewing which
I'd prefer to land separately first. Let's see if there's any chance
of getting Qt 5.5 in by the feature freeze - which is on August 20th.

Everything you need to know is at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting or linked from there. Note
especially not to upgrade if there are suspicious packages being
removed by dist-upgrade. Instead, ask me (or if I'm away, sil2100) on
IRC to update the PPA as needed.

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Some Quality Related Goodness

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Just wanted to share a few things to make your Friday/Weekend a little 
brighter. First of all, if you've not checked out 
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/quality/ recently, please give it 
a look. It has everything you need to add testing to your qml app, HTML5 
app or scope. Adding tests to your application has never been easier.


In addition, I wanted to highlight some really cool work stemming from a 
member of our community, Akiva. He's been working on making it easier to 
run autopilot tests for a bit now. The culmination of his work, combined 
with Benjamin's and the SDK teams help, is a new plugin which allows you 
to run autopilot tests inside the SDK.


Everything you need to know about installing the plugin and using it can 
be found here: 
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/running-autopilot-tests/. 
Please do install it and check it out. Feedback appreciated!


Happy Testing!

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Re: Introduction of myself to the team

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 07/03/2015 08:01 PM, Nathanael Olander wrote:

This is just my quick introductory email to the Ubuntu Quality mailing list.

I've been using Ubuntu as my only OS now for about 2 1/2 years,
originally installing 11.10 back in February of 2012.

Over the past year or so I've been curious about finding ways to help
work on Ubuntu, but hadn't ever figured out what to do since I lacked
experience. Then an acquaintance of mine on Ask Ubuntu applied for and
received Ubuntu membership.

I was curious about what this would take to achieve (a far future goal,)
so I began looking around and was pointed to here, the Ubuntu Quality
team. I subscribed to the mailing list, made sure my Launchpad was up to
snuff (Ubuntu Code of Conduct signed and whatnot,) and that's that.

As I write this I'm downloading the 15.10 daily build for July 3rd, and
hope to help out with testing and bug triage. I'd love to help with
actually creating patches too, but my programming expertise is limited
to Python and C++ with a tad of ARMv6 ASM sprinkled in there somewhere.
If anyone who DOES already work on creating patches is willing, I would
love some pointers as to what to do/look for/learn in order to be able
to help in that manner.

Thanks!


Hey Nathanael, wonderful to hear from you! If you've not seen it, check 
out the Roles page on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles. It 
will help guide you on activities available to you depending on your 
interest.


Alberto gave you some great advice on patches, I would recommend what he 
said and also point out harvest; http://harvest.ubuntu.com.


BTW Alberto, I liked the live graphs on the wiki, nice touch!

Nicholas

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Re: Snappy Open House

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 07/01/2015 11:05 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

On 07/01/2015 10:24 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
Introducing Snappy Open Houses! Snappy represents some new and 
exciting possibilities for ubuntu. Open houses are your chance to get 
familiar with the technology, while helping test and break things of 
course! We plan to do an open house before each release as a chance 
for everyone to interact and provide feedback and help with testing.

*
What is an open house?*
An open house is a chance to come and meet the snappy team developers 
and help QA test the new  image. We want to encourage the community 
to test with us, explore new features, check for possible regressions 
and exercise the documentation. These events are a great way to get 
started in the snappy world.


To kick off the event, we'll host a live Q and A on ubuntuonair.com 
with  developers and show off new features in the release. We'll also 
demonstrate how to flash and test the new release so the community 
can follow along and help test. Finally we'll answer any questions 
you have, and stick around on IRC for a bit to discuss any issues 
found during testing.


What do I need to help?
You and a device capable of running snappy. This could be your 
desktop / laptop, or a beaglebone / raspberry pi or another device. 
You don't need a device to help as you can install snappy on your 
local machine via kvm.


When is it happening?
The first Open House will be July 7th at 1400. We'll be live on 
ubuntuonair.com and doing some demos, testing, and a q and a. Please 
stop by and help test with us, try out snappy and meet everyone. The 
event will last about 2 hours.


You can find out more information on the wiki, 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Snappy/OpenHouses .


Mark your calendars and see you next Tuesday!

Nicholas
And yes, that is 1400 UTC. My apologies for not adding it properly the 
first time! See you there!


Thanks to everyone who attended and asked questions! We'd love to hear 
your feedback on snappy. Try testing the image and letting us know how 
it goes: http://bit.ly/1KHQZF6


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Fwd: [Ubuntu-touch-coreapps] Dekko builds now available in the core apps PPA

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Just a reminder you can play with the core apps on a normal desktop!


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Subject: 	[Ubuntu-touch-coreapps] Dekko builds now available in the core 
apps PPA

Date:   Sat, 4 Jul 2015 10:27:16 +0200
From:   David Planella david.plane...@ubuntu.com
To: ubuntu-touch-coreapps ubuntu-touch-corea...@lists.launchpad.net
CC: Daniel Chapman dpn...@ubuntu.com



Hi all,

With the help of Dan, we now have daily .deb builds of Dekko on the core 
apps PPA for vivid and wily. This should help testing it and the rest of 
core apps on a desktop environment during the transition to Unity 8 and 
snaps. To install it:


sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/daily
sudo apt update
sudo apt install dekko

Enjoy!

By the way, slightly off topic, but I've been using the Terminal app on 
my desktop as my main terminal for a while. After the last update on the 
PPA it no longer works: it merely shows a pink background - has anyone 
else experienced this?


Cheers,
David.




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*.qa.ubuntu.com downtime

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Greetings all. IS is upgrading the servers for some of the domains under 
*.qa.ubuntu.com. The process should be quick, but you may experience 
some downtime for these sites today. Thanks!


Nicholas

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Fwd: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] autopilot tests run windowed on the latest vivid-proposed image

[Nicholas Skaggs]

FYI, this describes the workaround as well.


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Subject: 	Re: [Ubuntu-phone] autopilot tests run windowed on the latest 
vivid-proposed image

Date:   Mon, 06 Jul 2015 12:18:16 +0200
From:   Michael Zanetti michael.zane...@canonical.com
To: ubuntu-ph...@lists.launchpad.net



Sorry, made a typo.

On 06.07.2015 12:14, Michael Zanetti wrote:

Hi Olivier,

turns out autopilot adds a mouse which causes the automatic switching to
kick in.

As a workaround, you can run

gsettings com.canonical.Unity8 usage-mode Staged


Should have been:

gsettings set com.canonical.Unity8 usage-mode Staged

Br,
Michael




before running your AP tests. We're investigating how to properly get
around the issue.

Thanks,
Michael


On 06.07.2015 11:59, Olivier Tilloy wrote:

Today I upgraded my krillin to the latest image from the
ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en channel, updated webbrowser-app
from a silo, and it appears autopilot tests run windowed:


​
Of course they fail in funny ways. After a complete test run, the shell
is left distorted:


​
Note that applications, when run from the shell, are not run windowed.
It seems to happen only when running autopilot tests (with
phablet-test-run).

Is that a known issue? In autopilot? unity8? somewhere else?

Thanks,

 Olivier











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Re: Wiki Map and how to find child pages

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I'm late to the thread and moinmoin wiki is not my forte. I've been blessed
with some help from others in the community to arrive where we are today.
SO, that said, is there a way to automagically generate an index for our
pages and keep it up to date? If yes, then consider me in favor. Also
consider me as not helpful in making this happen besides cheerleading those
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The help app needs tests!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Can anyone help? Here's the bug(1). Daniel would love to hear from you!

For help, there's a guide for writing functional HTML5 tests on
developer.ubuntu.com(1). And for those who are fearful of autopilot, don't
worry, the tests are written primarily using selenium :-)

I'd love to see a new test writer take this on.

Nicholas

1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/help-app/+bug/1456924
2.
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/html-5/tutorials/writing-html5-functional-tests/
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Re: Automatic image testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 05/06/2015 08:59 PM, Istimsak Abdulbasir wrote:

Is this were the iso builds are being tracked when they are produced for
testing?
https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/vivid/view/Smoke%20Testing/

This is a better view, but yes: 
http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/vivid/desktop/. That URL shows the jenkins 
jobs that run the smoketests, which help gate the images.


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Re: Automatic image testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 05/03/2015 06:53 PM, Elfy wrote:
Prior to the vivid cycle I used to often check on jenkins daily, 
indeed had RSS feed for fails set up, just to check that things were 
at least working basically.


Sometime around December these stopped working, and still show the 
last result as about 5 months ago as FAIL for everyone.


Is there any likelihood that this will work for us during the Wibbly 
Wobbly Whinocewos cycle?


Is there somewhere else that reports on both Ubuntu and flavour image 
auto tests?


I know this would make my life just that bit easier, I assume other 
flavours would like to at least have the assurance a basic test is done.



Elfy, we spoke before about checking the RSS feed and posting it to the 
isotracker. I still owe you an attempt at that. Can you link what you 
are looking at?


This should work and show things properly; it's the smoke tests: 
https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/vivid/view/Smoke%20Testing/


On the AP test side, CI took down the machine on accident and stopped 
the builds. They've since restored them, but only for ubuntu: 
https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Ubiquity/view/All/


There's an open work item from me to restore them for other flavors, but 
we would be better served thinking of an alternative place to run them I 
think and pursuing your idea of publishing failures on the tracker 
itself as a warning. Ideas anyone?


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UOS 15.05 Test Writing Demo @ 1600 UTC today!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Join Rick, Carla, and Nekhelesh as they write some tests live for Rick's 
Ubuntu SDK application!


http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22468/my-app-testing-setup/

If you are curious about how to write tests, this is the session for 
you. If you miss the session, you can still catch the recording.


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UOS 15.05 Installer Session

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UOS 15.05 kicks off tomorrow with sessions of all types. I'd encourage 
everyone to look over the schedule, register and get ready to participate.


http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/

Of particular interest is this installer session from Mathieu Trudel. I 
know many of you would be interested to talk about the installer given 
your familiarity with ubiquity and the debian-installer via image 
testing. Plan to attend!


http://blog.cyphermox.net/2015/05/installer-session-at-uos.html

At the moment it's scheduled for Tuesday May 5th at 18:00 UTC.

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Test Writers Wanted!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Have you been sitting on the sidelines wanting to dip your toes into 
writing some automated tests? The terminal, calculator and doc viewer 
teams are all looking for some help on filling in holes in there 
testsuites as they add new features. In the case of the terminal 
application, the old tests need to be converted / updated for the reboot 
branch which is already live. Test writing can be done in qml or python 
(with autopilot), and it's simple to learn the basics!


You can find these and more oppurtunities using the Core Apps sponsoring 
page(1). For help with understanding how to write these tests, check out 
developer.ubuntu.com(2). If you are interested in directly helping one 
of the core apps development teams, please reach out to myself or popey 
and we can make sure you get in touch. Thanks!


Nicholas

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2. https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/quality/

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Fwd: Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) released

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Thanks to everyone who helped test, filed bugs, and in general made 
Vivid the release it is today!



 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) released
Date:   Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:19:05 -0600
From:   Adam Conrad adcon...@ubuntu.com
To: ubuntu-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com
CC: ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com



Codenamed Vivid Vervet, 15.04 continues Ubuntu's proud tradition
of integrating the latest and greatest open source technologies into a
high-quality, easy-to-use Linux distribution.  The team has been hard at
work through this cycle, introducing new features and fixing bugs.

Under the hood, there have been updates to many core packages, including
a new 3.19-based kernel, a new glibc, and much more.

One of the larger changes this cycle is a switch from upstart to systemd
as the default for managing boot and system service startup.

Ubuntu Desktop has seen incremental improvements, with newer versions of
GTK and Qt, updates to major packages like Firefox and LibreOffice, and
stability improvements to Unity.

Ubuntu Server 15.04 includes the Kilo release of OpenStack, alongside
deployment and management tools that save devops teams time when
deploying distributed applications - whether on private clouds, public
clouds, x86 or ARM servers, or on developer laptops.  Several key server
technologies, from MAAS to Ceph, have been updated to new upstream
versions with a variety of new features.

This release also includes the first release of snappy Ubuntu Core, a
new distribution model based on transactional updates.  To find out
more about snappy and how to try it out, see the developer pages:

  https://developer.ubuntu.com/snappy

Continuing the excitement of new and interesting products, Ubuntu 15.04
also welcomes Ubuntu MATE to the party as an official community flavour.
Please give them a warm welcome to the family.

The newest Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, Ubuntu Kylin, and
Ubuntu Studio are also being released today.  More details can be found
for these at their individual release notes:

   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseNotes#Official_flavours

Maintenance updates will be provided for 9 months for all flavours
releasing with 15.04.

To get Ubuntu 15.04
---

In order to download Ubuntu 15.04, visit:

   http://www.ubuntu.com/download

Users of Ubuntu 14.10 will be offered an automatic upgrade to 15.04 via
update-manager.  For further information about upgrading, see:

   http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade

As always, upgrades to the latest version of Ubuntu are entirely free
of charge.

We recommend that all users read the release notes, which document
caveats, workarounds for known issues, as well as more in-depth notes
on the release itself. They are available at:

   http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseNotes

Find out what's new in this release with a graphical overview:

   http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop
   http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features

If you have a question, or if you think you may have found a bug
but aren't sure, you can try asking in any of the following places:

   #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
   http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
   http://www.ubuntuforums.org
   http://askubuntu.com


Help Shape Ubuntu
-

If you would like to help shape Ubuntu, take a look at the list
of ways you can participate at:

   http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved


About Ubuntu


Ubuntu is a full-featured Linux distribution for desktops, laptops,
netbooks and servers, with a fast and easy installation and regular
releases. A tightly-integrated selection of excellent applications
is included, and an incredible variety of add-on software is just a
few clicks away.

Professional services including support are available from Canonical
and hundreds of other companies around the world.  For more information
about support, visit:

   http://www.ubuntu.com/support


More Information


You can learn more about Ubuntu and about this release on our
website listed below:

   http://www.ubuntu.com

To sign up for future Ubuntu announcements, please subscribe to
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Re: Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) released

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 04/23/2015 01:57 PM, Ian Bruntlett wrote:


On 23 April 2015 at 17:34, Nicholas Skaggs 
nicholas.ska...@canonical.com mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com 
wrote:


Thanks to everyone who helped test, filed bugs, and in general
made Vivid the release it is today!

It's always nice to make a contribution :)

To get Ubuntu 15.04
---

In order to download Ubuntu 15.04, visit:

http://www.ubuntu.com/download


Done that. Had to hunt around for the MD5s - you can get them from 
http://releases.ubuntu.com/vivid/


BW,


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images, etc. release.ubuntu.com is the counterpart to cdimage. It 
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md5s, filelists, all the images, etc, for a final released image, 
release.ubuntu.com is the place to get it.


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Re: Gearing up for 15.04 image testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 04/13/2015 10:25 AM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
We're in the final stretch now! April 23rd will be the release date 
for vivid. With that in mind I would encourage everyone to prepare for 
testing the final images. The final image milestone should be created 
this Friday April 17th in preparation. The release team will continue 
testing and iterating on this image until release. Please plan to test 
this image and take part in verifying it for release. While you are 
testing, don't forget about your favorite flavors of ubuntu who can 
also use your help and testing expertise. Thanks and happy testing!


Nicholas
The milestone is live, testing has already been underway. Please grab an 
image and add your results!


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/338/builds

Looking forward to a great release this week, thanks for doing your part 
in helping make it happen!


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Re: Install bugs on wiki improvement

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 04/14/2015 12:01 PM, Brendan Perrine wrote:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/Install_Bugs

It seems to mention apport-cli --save is only useful when you don't have 
internet access. Shouldn't it also say if X11 fails to start on the installer 
for an iso but you do have network access you can transfer to another machine 
and then report from there. I don't want to go unilaterly changing wiki pages 
however. I have done enough testing to understand this but new members to the 
team may not and this could cause them to become frustrated.

This is an excellent point. There are other use cases for uses 
apport-cli -- I've even used it in cases where I had no internet at all, 
and wrote down the unique URL to submit from a connect device. Be 
careful with this option though as the URL will eventually time out.


Anyways, please do update the page Brendan. Good catch, and thanks!

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Gearing up for 15.04 image testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

We're in the final stretch now! April 23rd will be the release date for 
vivid. With that in mind I would encourage everyone to prepare for 
testing the final images. The final image milestone should be created 
this Friday April 17th in preparation. The release team will continue 
testing and iterating on this image until release. Please plan to test 
this image and take part in verifying it for release. While you are 
testing, don't forget about your favorite flavors of ubuntu who can also 
use your help and testing expertise. Thanks and happy testing!


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Fwd: Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) Final Beta released

[Nicholas Skaggs]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) Final Beta released
Date:   Thu, 26 Mar 2015 19:01:04 -0600
From:   Adam Conrad adcon...@ubuntu.com
To: ubuntu-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com
CC: ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com



The Ubuntu team is pleased to announce the final beta release of Ubuntu
15.04 Desktop, Server, Cloud, and Core products.

Codenamed Vivid Vervet, 15.04 continues Ubuntu's proud tradition
of integrating the latest and greatest open source technologies into a
high-quality, easy-to-use Linux distribution.  The team has been hard at
work through this cycle, introducing new features and fixing bugs.

This beta release includes images from not only the Ubuntu Desktop,
Server, Cloud, and Core products, but also the Kubuntu, Lubuntu,
Ubuntu GNOME, Ubuntu Kylin, Ubuntu Studio and Xubuntu flavours. In
addition to the usual suspects, we're also welcoming a new flavour to
the family this cycle with Ubuntu MATE.

The beta images are known to be reasonably free of showstopper CD build
or installer bugs, while representing a very recent snapshot of 15.04
that should be representative of the features intended to ship with the
final release expected on April 23rd, 2015.

There are, however, two bugs in this beta serious enough that it's worth
calling them out in the release announcement.  Both bugs affect all
flavours, are considered high priority, and will be addressed in
upcoming daily builds:

  1) After installation is complete, clicking the reboot now button
 will eject your installation medium but then fail to reboot.  The
 simple workaround for this is to manually turn off or reset your
 computer and then boot into the freshly installed system.

  2) When doing an OEM installation, the OEM user will not be removed
 at the end of the prepare-to-ship phase.  Because of this, it is
 not recommended that oem-config be used with this beta, except for
 testing purposes.

Ubuntu, Ubuntu Server, Ubuntu Core, Cloud Images:
  Utopic Final Beta includes updated versions of most of our core set of
  packages, including a current 3.19.2 kernel, the much-anticipated
  switch to systemd, and much more.

  To upgrade to Ubuntu 15.04 Final Beta from Ubuntu 14.10, follow these
  instructions:

  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades

  The Ubuntu 15.04 Final Beta images can be downloaded at:

  http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.04/ (Ubuntu and Ubuntu Server)

  Additional images can be found at the following links:

  http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/15.04/beta-2/ (Cloud Images)
  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/15.04/beta-2/ (Community Supported)
  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/15.04/beta-2/ (Core)
  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/15.04/ (Netboot)

  The full release notes for Ubuntu 15.04 Final Beta can be found at:

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseNotes

Kubuntu:
  Kubuntu is the KDE based flavour of Ubuntu. It uses the Plasma desktop
  and includes a wide selection of tools from the KDE project.

  The Final Beta images can be downloaded at:
  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/15.04/beta-2/

  More information on Kubuntu Final Beta can be found here:
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta2/Kubuntu

Lubuntu:
  Lubuntu is a flavor of Ubuntu that targets to be lighter, less
  resource hungry and more energy-efficient by using lightweight
  applications and LXDE, The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment,
  as its default GUI.

  The Final Beta images can be downloaded at:
  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/15.04/beta-2/

  More information on Lubuntu Final Beta can be found here:
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta2/Lubuntu

Ubuntu GNOME:
  Ubuntu GNOME is a flavor of Ubuntu featuring the GNOME desktop
  environment.

  The Final Beta images can be downloaded at:
  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/15.04/beta-2/

  More information on Ubuntu GNOME Final Beta can be found here:
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta2/UbuntuGNOME

UbuntuKylin:
  UbuntuKylin is a flavor of Ubuntu that is more suitable for Chinese
  users.

  The Final Beta images can be downloaded at:
  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntukylin/releases/15.04/beta-2/

  More information on UbuntuKylin Final Beta can be found here:
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta2/UbuntuKylin

Ubuntu MATE:
  Ubuntu MATE is a flavor of Ubuntu featuring the MATE desktop
  environment.

  The Final Beta images can be downloaded at:
  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/15.04/beta-2/

  More information on UbuntuMATE Final Beta can be found here:
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta2/UbuntuMATE

Ubuntu Studio:
  Ubuntu Studio is a flavor of Ubuntu that provides a full range of
  multimedia content creation applications for each key workflows:
  audio, graphics, video, photography and publishing.

  The Final Beta images can be downloaded at:
  

Re: New qml testing tutorials!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 03/18/2015 12:08 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:

Nicholas Skaggs
 https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/quality/

Why are the functions of the UbuntuTestCase class separated from the 
TestCase class? Couldn't be these platform agnostic?





Alberto, UbuntuTestCase builds upon the upstream TestCase class. So yes 
most of what you see is agnostic in the fact that it's the same as 
TestCase. However, UbuntuTestCase adds a few things to make your life 
easier. You can see the specifics here:


https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Test.UbuntuTestCase/

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Final Beta Testing Week

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It's here! Final beta images and milestone will be appearing on the 
tracker by early tomorrow AM UTC. Look for the milestone under vivid on 
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/.


Plan to help test by grabbing the images when they hit the tracker and 
reporting your results! I'll post again when the milestone link is live 
(assuming elfy or someone else in Europe doesn't beat me to it!)


If you are new to this whole image testing thing, do have a look at the 
wiki walkthrough https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough for 
help. In a nutshell, download the image and run through the installation 
testcases on your machine. The images are linked from the testcase and 
come from cdimage.ubuntu.com. Real hardware is preferred, but feel free 
to test on a virtual machine too. Submit your testcase result and 
perform the next test.


Thanks and happy testing everyone!

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Re: New qml testing tutorials!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 03/23/2015 12:12 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:

Nicholas Skaggs:

Most of what you see is agnostic in the fact that it's the same as
TestCase. However, UbuntuTestCase adds a few things to make your life 
easier.


Yes, they seem to make life easier.

Do you know why the TestClase class developers weren't asked to 
include these in that class? Just for curiosity.


I say because the more agnostic a technology is, the most adopted and 
improved it normally is.


Regards.



Great question Alberto. I'm not sure if the changes can or would be 
accepted upstream, but it's an excellent point to ask the SDK guys. I 
would probably file a bug with the ubuntu-ui-toolkit and/or talk with 
the team directly.


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Stopping core apps review mass mailings

[Nicholas Skaggs]

As of now, those of you who are members of the ubuntu core apps drivers 
or ubuntu core apps test writers teams will notice you are no longer 
being mass mailed for each review and bug that hits the core apps 
projects. Instead a new team called core apps reviewers is handling this 
role. The mail for your benefit and sanity is now being collected here:


http://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-coreapps-reviewers

Note, if you are a direct member of a development team you will continue 
to receive mailings as usual. This should represent a more sane default, 
and I don't expect any teams to have any interruptions in notifications. 
If you feel you are missing mail you'd like to recieve, I'd encourage 
you to join that team directly.


If for some reason you can't get enough email and want/miss the mass 
emailings, you are also free to subscribe to the above mailing list. It 
will continue the truckload of email being delivered to your inbox, just 
like you are used to.


I'd like to thank Akiva and Niklas for bringing up this issue and 
pushing me to see it solved. And also for Carla, who happily created 
mp's to test and ensure the changes wouldn't break anything (-- see I 
DID test it first!). Feel free to use this thread for complaints, 
elations, tears of joy as you see fit.


To happier inboxes,

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Re: Community Council catchup - QA Team

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 02/16/2015 12:25 PM, Elfy wrote:

On 24/10/14 10:47, Elfy wrote:

Hello all,

The Community Council is scheduling meetings over the next cycle with
the various teams, councils and boards in the Ubuntu community.

The  meeting with QA is scheduled for 19th February  @ 17:00UTC.

For more information, please see our Agenda[1] page on the wiki.


regards

Elfy

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda


Just a quick reminder that this is coming up on Thursday

Thanks for the reminder! Everyone, please feel free to come and meet 
with the council. Simply show up on IRC and make your comments known. 
It's a great time to review what we're doing and how things are working.


Cheers,

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Re: would like to help

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 02/14/2015 09:42 AM, michael john wrote:

I would like to help in the testing of ubuntu. and to assist in the triaging of 
bugs.

Michael, welcome! Do have a look at 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/ for help on getting started. Hop 
on IRC to chat or send your questions to this list.


http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-quality

Looking forward to working with you!

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Re: Feedback from the QA Jam in San Francisco

[Nicholas Skaggs]

First of all, thank you Liz for taking the time to write this up and 
sharing your experiences!


On 02/10/2015 09:43 PM, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:

Hi everyone,

First off, I want to thank elfy, knome and balloons for their work in
reviewing the QA documentation in the lead up to the Ubuntu Global Jam
that occurred this past weekend. This and other documentation, like
which USB creation tools were working best on each release right now
really helped me prepare for the event I hosted in San Francisco on
Sunday.

Our jam lasted a long 6 hours (thanks to our hosts at Gandi.net for
tolerating us past the scheduled 5!), throughout which we had about 12
people in total coming and going, I had the following feedback:

1. Logging into the tracker was near impossible for new people because
of: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1416893

Three folks who attended were new to doing any kind of work on Ubuntu,
so they didn't have old Launchpad or Ubuntu SSO accounts, we never did
figure out how to get them logged in. After the event, I learned about
the existing bug I referenced above, but it wasn't soon enough to help
them at the event.
This looks like a larger issue than the tracker, although we're clearly 
affected. I've never heard of it, but I'll followup from my side on the 
bug. Thanks for letting me know about it!

2. The row of Bugs to look for is too overwhelming:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1366581

The format of the event was pretty loose, people came and went, some
were more experienced than others and I just needed to give them the
ISO tracker link and swing by to help as needed, others I walked
through step by step. The consistent feedback I got was that the whole
process is a lot of new stuff, and once you add it mouse-overs for
each bug and opening them to see if they even impact the flavor you're
testing, it makes the process overwhelming for newcomers.

I ended up telling them to write down on paper all the bugs they
found, and then I'd help them file (or confirm with existing) them
with my in-brain knowledge of what bugs were existing bugs in Xubuntu,
and the Xubuntu team would just sort out duplicates later that I
didn't know about (sorry Xubuntu team, I love you! :)).

This indeed is being worked on and addressed nicely. Fingers crossed!

3. The URL to the hardware profile continues to confuse people:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1017207

I really don't like this field, people never know what it's for and
are worried about putting in the wrong thing.

Even once I explain it's just a spot to put a link to your hardware
specs, I got funny looks when I told folks that they could link to a
manufacturer's description of their hardware. When one contributor
tried to log in to wiki.ubuntu.com to create a page for his hardware
profile, we sat there for 5 minutes (we counted, no exaggeration).
trying to log in before giving up and leaving the field blank because
the wiki wouldn't complete loading for log in. Since the Ubuntu
pastebins expire, this leaves limited options for a place where people
can put their hardware information.
Thanks for bringing this up. I think a quasi-consensus is being reached 
to simply remove it. confusion  benefit. If you feel otherwise, please 
do speak up now / on that bug report.

4. Would do again!

Not all feedback was negative! It was a really great event, if I do
say so myself :)

I didn't have any attendees quietly slink away, everyone seemed pretty
engaged, and several told me they were were appreciative of what they
learned and said they'd be interested to coming to such an event
again. For some it was the focus on Xubuntu (a flavor they don't
typically use), for others it was using pre-Beta software for the
first time in a supervised, safe, setting where they could ask
questions, one mentioned that he was really happy that as a simple
end user he could participate in helping with a release, and others
really enjoyed just getting a peek under the hood of how we prepare
for releases.

If anyone else wants to do an event like this, I do recommend having a
high ratio of knowledgeable leads to attendees. I was fortunate to
have a couple Ubuntu Members who came along (thanks elky and rww!) and
I could leverage for assistance when things got busy, a ratio of 5
attendees to 1 helper would probably make it so you're not exhausted
at the end like I was. Next time I probably will have to more formally
line up some helpers.

This is great advice! I hope more folks will plan similar events within 
there own locos!


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team announcement: ubuntu-rtm milestone changes

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 02/13/2015 02:32 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:

Re: QA signing off on silos and such, how do we participate?
This is an excellent question. You can certainly follow along (even 
grabbing the silos and testing them as well if you wish!), but the 
timeframe for testing can be short. It's specific changes and once 
tested they move into the image. As such the qa signoff for these is 
handled by Canonical QA. Check out 
http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/ if you want to 
see what's being tested / test it yourself.


However, moving forward with more devices coming online, there is an 
idea to do some testing via the community on an ad-hoc basis from the QA 
team. I expect this to be finalized over the coming months. It will 
consist of specific tests, perhaps even for a specific device, etc.


For now, your best bet as usual is to run the latest development version 
and try and break things, reporting bugs when you do :-)



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Re: Is fixing bugs a responsibility of this team?

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 02/11/2015 06:35 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:

Pasi Lallinaho:

 From my point of view, fixing bugs is not one of the intended (primary)
activities for QA team developers. Nor is it a supporting task by
definition; supporting tasks are something that are either highly
recommended or otherwise generally help you get the main goal filled.

Of course, developers in the QA team might and most likely will fix
bugs. By that definition, anybody who fixes a bug is a member of the QA
team. That itself defeats the purpose of specifying the QA team
developer role.


At some point in time the Bug Squad, who handled the responsibility of 
fixing bugs, was asked to merge with the Quality team.


But this merge was not fully done, and now seems that now is somehow 
unclear if the Bug Squad is still active and who holds the 
responsibility of what.


If you visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad the page looks like 
heavily unmaintained; with a meeting scheduled to a past date, broken 
links in the header, and a notice that asks users to join the Quality 
team instead.


I'll note when this occurred we also defined roles for the team, 
including the bug triager role: 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/BugTriager. You'll find the more 
traditional activities of the bug squad under that role. As others 
mentioned, actually fixing the bug in question was never a requested 
task of the bugsquad, though I'm sure many have done so.



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Unity 8 Desktop Testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

An excellent way to spend your global jam hours this weekend is to test 
something likely new to many of you, unity8 on the desktop. This wiki 
has all the information you need. Most importantly of all you don't need 
to download and image or be running the development version of ubuntu in 
order to test.


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8Desktop

You can run and test on your LTS desktop. No excuses :-) Happy Testing!

Nicholas

P.S. What's global jam? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam and 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Testing


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Trusty 14.04.2 Testing

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Trusty 14.04.2 will be released on Feb 5th, a mere 2 days away. Help 
finalize the images on the isotracker by downloading and testing them on 
your machine.


The milestone can be found here:
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/332/builds

For help with the tracker, check out:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough

Happy Testing,

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Re: package tracker

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 01/25/2015 10:32 AM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Elfy ub.u...@btinternet.com wrote:

On 25/01/15 15:19, Walter Lapchynski wrote:

hey, i just noticed this. how do we get LXDE in there?

Why would the package tracker have a desktop environment test?
Is that not tested when you boot with a lubuntu image?

Sorry, package status:
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus

Walter, the code for that module is here: 
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/files/head:/modules/qapkgstatus/. 
I *assume* the actual application list is maintained as part of the 
database installation. I don't have super powers to change it however.


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Hold a Ubuntu Global Jam event; with testing!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I'd encourage you all to meet up with other local ubuntu enthusiasts and 
be a part of ubuntu global jam.


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam

One of the best activities you can do of course is help out by testing. 
Fortunately there's a wonderful guide on the ubuntu global jam site to 
help with this:


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Testing

In addition, thanks to elfy, knome, sak and others the QATeam wiki has 
gotten a fresh revamp making it easier to find help and get you started 
with testing. For more information on holding a testing event, check out 
UbuntuGlobalJam wiki, and don't forget you can request a jam pack of 
free stuff to help your event!


http://mhall119.com/2015/01/ubuntu-loco-team-global-jam-packs/

Happy jamming and testing everyone!

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Re: Hardware related test cases.

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I've added an entry for vivid; feel free to use any daily build and 
report results.


http://laptop.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/330/builds

The important thing is to test early and often, and file good bug 
reports. Doing this provides the best chance at having the issue fixed 
before release.


Nicholas

On 01/22/2015 07:44 PM, gabriel.v...@gmail.com wrote:

Nicolas,

I cannot find any any milestone for vivid alpha in 
http://laptop.qa.ubuntu.com/, is this gonna be added in the next days ?


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Re: Social Media Channels

[Nicholas Skaggs]

If anyone else would like to step in and help shepherd or enhance some 
of these social media groups, feel free to contact me. I cannot be 
active on every social media channel :-)


Nicholas

On 01/22/2015 07:20 PM, Ali Linx wrote:

Hi Pasi,

On 01/23/2015 10:21 AM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:

On 2015-01-22 09:33, Ali Linx wrote:

Hi,

Due to unavoidable reasons, I'm sorry to inform you that I need to 
step down and remove myself from the role of Social Media 
Administrator for Ubuntu Quality.


This is for the Facebook Page + Group and for the Google+ Page and 
Community.


Sorry for the short notice.



Are there other people who have access to these accounts? If not, 
please send the account information to eg. Nick so we don't get 
locked out.




I would 'never' remove myself from 'any' channel unless I'm 100% sure 
there is someone already there handling these channels :) but thanks 
anyway for your email, I appreciate that.


Nicholas is already full admin with full access level.


Cheers,
Pasi



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Re: Reporting bugs for packages in the ubuntu-manual-test

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 01/22/2015 01:38 PM, Elfy wrote:

On 22/01/15 18:22, Istimsak Abdulbasir wrote:

You have a point. I picked Vino and Remmina, because

1) I like VNC networking, and did not want to cower away from learning
something new
2) I started with these packages as an attempt to began contributing
manual testcases
3) these packages are not currently being tested

Of course I could have, and should have, tested packages that I am
familiar with. My idea, as a tester, is to test everything, not just
what you like. If this kind of thinking is not logical, I am happy to
change. Personally, I prefer doing things that come naturally to me ;-)


Obviously you can write whichever ones you want :)

You asked for opinions - I gave you mine.


We are happy to review anything you put forward, but I would also 
suggest starting with something you are familar with since you are 
trying to learn the process. One thing at a time :-)


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Re: New Tester Introduction

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 01/18/2015 06:04 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote:

Greetings Everyone,

I'm Anthony a long-time x/Ubuntu user and even long-time general Linux
user (my first distro was Redhat Linux back in 2001). I've wanted to get
involved in the project for a while now but, though I'm a professional
software developer, didn't feel that dev was the right place for me.
Finally, I came across Marketing and Testing and these seem like good fits.

So here I am, a 40 year old Oklahoma guy, dipping his toe into Xubuntu
testing. I'm hoping to get involved with ISO testing and bug triaging.

Hope to contribute!
Anthony

Welcome! We can always use some more iso testing and bug triaging! I'll 
point you to our wiki page if you've not seen it: 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam. I would encourage you to hang out on IRC 
during your testing and say hello! I'm 'balloons' on freenode. 
#ubuntu-quality is the channel to join.


Looking forward to working with you,

Nicholas

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Alpha 2 Milestone testing

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For participating flavors, alpha 2 images are coming online. Keep an eye 
on the milestone and test your favorite flavor as images arrive.


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/329/builds

Alpha 2 should be released on Thursday. Thanks!

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Quality Opportunities for Vivid

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I wanted to write everyone to let them know about what opportunities 
exist right now for quality efforts. Generally the first part of the 
cycle is a bit slower for QA as we all take a needed break to refocus 
and plan after the release. With vivid now well underway things are 
ramping up! I wanted to cover the different opportunities available to 
you as part of the ubuntu quality community. There's opportunities for 
every role listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles. We need folks 
to help test as well as write new tests. Testing and writing manual 
testers can be learned by anyone, no coding required. That said, if you 
have skills or interest in technical work, I would encourage you to try 
helping out on some of these tasks. You will learn by doing and get help 
from others while you do it.


I realized while drafting this mail, this might work better as a blog 
post, so you can read it there as well, including handy links: 
http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2014/12/quality-opportunities-for-vivid-cycle.html


Now onto the good stuff! What can you do to help ubuntu this cycle from 
a quality perspective?


Dogfooding
There is an ever present need for brave folks willing to simply run the 
development version of ubuntu and use it as a daily machine throughout 
the cycle. It's one of the best ways for us as a community to uncover 
bugs and issues, in particular things that regress from the previous 
release. Upgrade to vivid today and see what you can break!


QATracker
This tool is written in drupal7 and runs the iso.qa.ubuntu.com and 
packages.qa.ubuntu.com sites. These sites are used to record and view 
the results of all of our manual testing efforts. Currently dkessel is 
leading the effort on implementing some needed UI changes. The code and 
more information about the project can be found on launchpad. The 
tracker is one of our primary tools and needs your help to become 
friendly for everyone to use.


In addition a charm would be useful to simplify setting up a development 
environment. The charm can be based upon the existing drupal charm. At 
the moment this work is ready for someone to jump in.


Unity8
Running unity8 as a full-time desktop is a personal goal I have for this 
cycle. I hope some others might also want to be early adopters and join 
me in this goal. For now you can help by testing the unity8 desktop. 
Have a look at running unity in lxc for an easy way to run unity8 today 
on your machine. Use it, test it, and offer feedback. I'll be talking 
more about unity8 as the cycle progresses and opportunities to test new 
features aimed at the desktop appear.


Core Apps
The core apps project is an excellent way to get involved. These 
applications have been lovingly developed by community members just like 
you. Many of the teams are looking for help in writing tests and for 
someone who can help bring a testing mindset and eye to the work. As of 
this writing specifically the docviewer, terminal and calculator teams 
would love your help. The core apps hackdays are happening this week, 
drop by and introduce yourself to get started!


Manual Tests
Like the sound of writing tests but the idea of writing code turns you 
off? Manual tests are needed as well! They are written in English and 
are easy to understand and write. Manual tests include everything you 
see on the qatracker and are managed as a launchpad project. This means 
you can pick a bug and fix it by submitting a merge request. The bugs 
involve both fixing existing tests as well as requests for new testcases.


Images
As always there are images that need testing. Testing milestones occur 
later in the cycle which involve everyone helping to test a specific set 
of images. In the meantime, daily images are generated that have made it 
through the automated tests and are ready for manual testing. Booting an 
image in a live session is a great way to check for regressions on your 
machine. Doing this early in the cycle can help make sure your hardware 
and others like it experience a regression free upgrade when the time comes.


Triaging
After subjecting software to testing, bugs are naturally found. These 
bugs then need to be verified and triaged. The bugsquadders, as they are 
called, would be happy to help you learn to categorize or triage bugs 
and do other tasks.


Happy Testing!

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Fwd: [Ubuntu-phone] Year End Core Apps Hack Days!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

As part of this, I'll be doing a ubuntu on air session about writing 
tests for the core apps. This will take place next Weds at 1800 UTC on 
ubuntuonair.com


If you are curious about writing automated test cases for the core apps, 
please feel free to contact me! The core apps developers welcome test 
writers happily to the team. In particular, both the docviewer and 
terminal teams could use your test writing capabilities. If you've not 
written tests before, it's easy to pick up and there's a community 
willing to help guide you through it. See you next week!


Nicholas


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:[Ubuntu-phone] Year End Core Apps Hack Days!
Date:   Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:38:46 +
From:   Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com
To: ubuntu-phone ubuntu-ph...@lists.launchpad.net



Hi all,

Next week we're doing another one of our hack days for core apps [0].
With new designs for many of the apps and devices on the close horizon
we'd like to invite new contributors to join us on our week of hacking
onthe core apps!

We've done this a few times this year, and it's been a great way to
get new contributors jump-started on developing on Ubuntu. We hang out
on irc in #ubuntu-app-devel on freenode while we implement features,
squish bugs, write tests, translate texts and update the store.

So feel free to join us next week as we wrap up the year with a phone,
laptop and hot toddy [1]* and lets get hacking on core apps!

[0] - http://developer.ubuntu.com/2014/12/year-end-core-apps-hack-days/
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_toddy

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Fwd: [Ubuntu-phone] Call for Testing: Unity8 Full Shell Rotation

[Nicholas Skaggs]

If you have device, give this a shot!


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:[Ubuntu-phone] Call for Testing: Unity8 Full Shell Rotation
Date:   Fri, 21 Nov 2014 09:50:14 -0600
From:   Kevin Gunn kevin.g...@canonical.com
To: ubuntu-phone ubuntu-ph...@lists.launchpad.net



Hi all,
First, thank you for considering to participate in this testing. Your
effort helps us find issues to fix  gain the confidence we need to
land this feature.

Background...
Recently the Unity UI team has put in effort around full shell
rotation. This is the feature where the shell follows the application
orientations. You might have noticed the indicator panel stays put
when the messaging application moves from portrait to landscape on the
phone, this fixes that. Likewise, when an application is fixed to a
position out of preference, the shell will also remain in the
applications preferred orientation.

In order to deliver this feature we had to break applications
expression of orientation. Which drove us to discuss with our
Canonical stakeholders in the SDK team, Design team, and Community
applcations whether or not applications should have to express
rotation support (opt-in) or rotate all applications by default,
unless they specify their orientations (opt-out). We collectively
decided it's best to have an opt-out approach. We've included this
change into this ppa for testing. So it's a great opportunity for
application developers to update their applications and test ahead of
our landing.

the plan
Everything you need to know is here
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8/FullShellRotation

I will ask for a little grace on this as I feel I may have pushed this
out a bit early. The feature is working on phone but there are
definitely issues on unity8-desktop  tablets that would prevent us
from landing. However I felt like making this call for testing now was
important to start getting feedback and ready folks for the idea of
opt-out application rotation. That being said we'll probably keep this
call for testing open a bit longer than one might expect to both get
comfortable  confident with the change, as well as make the final bug
fixes/polish needed to get it landed.

If you have any questions, let me know.
Thanks for testing!
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Re: Quality Related UOS Sessions

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 11/05/2014 09:15 AM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

First of all, in case you didn't know UOS is coming up!

http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/

What's UOS? Ubuntu Online Summit is the continuation of UDS in a
virtual and online format. It allows anyone to participate and discuss
topics that surround ubuntu in a wider setting. Use it to engage
others and help make ideas reality. Have something to share? A
presentation or idea? Perhaps a new project you want to demo? Or maybe
you just want to schedule some facetime with the wider commmunity with
a current ubuntu group, like a flavor team, loco, or something else.
You can use UOS to recruit and share what your team does. These are
just a few ideas, please feel free to propose any session you like.
For more information check out: http://uds.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/

Now, with that said I have proposed a couple sessions already specific
to quality. The first is a renewed discussion on manual testing. I
won't spill all the ideas, thoughts and work that is going on just
yet; you'll have to attend the session! Needless to say, it's time we
looked again at how we do manual testing and consider how the phone
might also be able to be tested more visibly by us as a community.

http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22340/improving-manual-testing/

The second is a session for app developers around testing scopes on
the phone. We want to solidfy the testing story about how we recommend
scopes be tested on the device. If you have input on this, please
attend this as well!

http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22339/testing-scopes/

Beyond that I'm open to hear suggestions as to what sessions you would
like to see. Thoughts?

Nicholas
This begins today and runs for the next three days! The first session at 
1500 UTC today is on testing unity8 on the desktop. I hope you can attend!


Nicholas

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Fwd: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Call for Music Remix testing - new build

[Nicholas Skaggs]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Call for Music Remix testing - new build
Date:   Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:08:01 +
From:   Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com
To: ubuntu-phone ubuntu-ph...@lists.launchpad.net



Hi again,

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote:

The Music app developers have been working hard recently with the
Canonical Design Team to revamp the Music app we ship on devices. A
small group of us have been using and QA testing this but we wanted
some wider user testing as everyone seems to have different usage
patterns when it comes to music.



We have a new build of the Music App Remix available for testing!
Please download and follow the instructions as per the previous mail:-

https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg10380.html

The new click package can be found at:-

http://people.canonical.com/~alan/music_remix/20141112/trunk/com.ubuntu.music_2.0.736_all.click

Changes include:-

* Fix for db locking issue when using urlhandler
* Rewrite the ColumnFlow.qml to use incubation to create objects and
set offscreen cards as invisible. Fixes:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1387816.
* Fix for playlist deletion in recent DB.
* Update the fix for catching a renamed playlist in the recent tab.
Fixes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1386940.
* Set the sourceSize of the CoverGrid to the Thumbnailer's 'xlarge'
default. Fixes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1391368.
* Use art property for playlists.
* Show the playlist empty state when in the 'Select playlist' page.
Fixes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1390798.
* Do not pop existing pages from page stack when returning from Now
Playing/Queue. Fixes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1390249.
* Produce immediate visual feedback by brightening list item when
pressed. Fixes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1390651.

If you find bugs, feel free to use the launchpad bug tracker:-

https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app

Source code is on launchpad if you're inclined to fix bugs yourself :)

https://code.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/remix

Many thanks!

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Displayport Testing Request

[Nicholas Skaggs]

If you have an Intel VGA with DisplayPort 1.2 and either

* 2 DisplayPort 1.2 MST-enabled displays in a daisy-chain configuration, or
* a DisplayPort 1.2 MST-enabled hub connected to 2 regular DisplayPort 
monitors.


there's a sticky bug the kernel team would like to see more testing on. 
Check out 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1104230 
and do give the ppa from Dariusz with the proposed fix a whirl. If you 
test and get positive or negative results, please simply leave feedback 
in the bug itself so Dariusz and the kernel folks see it. Thanks 
everyone and happy testing!


Nicholas

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Quality Related UOS Sessions

[Nicholas Skaggs]

First of all, in case you didn't know UOS is coming up!

http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/

What's UOS? Ubuntu Online Summit is the continuation of UDS in a
virtual and online format. It allows anyone to participate and discuss
topics that surround ubuntu in a wider setting. Use it to engage
others and help make ideas reality. Have something to share? A
presentation or idea? Perhaps a new project you want to demo? Or maybe
you just want to schedule some facetime with the wider commmunity with
a current ubuntu group, like a flavor team, loco, or something else.
You can use UOS to recruit and share what your team does. These are
just a few ideas, please feel free to propose any session you like.
For more information check out: http://uds.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/

Now, with that said I have proposed a couple sessions already specific
to quality. The first is a renewed discussion on manual testing. I
won't spill all the ideas, thoughts and work that is going on just
yet; you'll have to attend the session! Needless to say, it's time we
looked again at how we do manual testing and consider how the phone
might also be able to be tested more visibly by us as a community.

http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22340/improving-manual-testing/

The second is a session for app developers around testing scopes on
the phone. We want to solidfy the testing story about how we recommend
scopes be tested on the device. If you have input on this, please
attend this as well!

http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22339/testing-scopes/

Beyond that I'm open to hear suggestions as to what sessions you would
like to see. Thoughts?

Nicholas

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Re: Quality Related UOS Sessions

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I've already added another session. I know many of you are excitied
about the phone, but what about the desktop? I'd like to encourage us
to work more closely with the unity 8 desktop developers this cycle
and get some nice testing and feedback delievered to them, along with
helping them develop some automated testing solutions for images, etc.

So, to that end, here's another session:

http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22361/testing-unity-8-desktop/

What else are you interested in / excitied about? Let's talk and plan now!

Nicholas

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