Re: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it?
Le sam 01/11/2003 04:46, Ken Norris a crit : Hi Igor, Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:28:05 +1100 From: Igor Couto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it? So, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER USING A LINUX PPC VERSION OF REV, please DROP ME A LINE. If there is enough show of interest in this topic, then I will message the RunRev team, and let them know that we'd suppor their efforts in that area! -- Absolutely. I'm not much enamored with the giant, memory-sucking OS' (Windows XP/Mac OSX Panther). YellowDog Linux sounds good to me, and will give my disabled users a leg up with cheaper machines. I'd love to do my developing there. Ken N. Hi Igor and All, A LinuxPPC issue of Rev would be really helpfull, for me too... In the past (1998/2002), my first MC/Rev development platform was the Suse LinuxPPC and, because, my customers preferences for the x86 world, Suse Linux x86 was my first deployment/production platform. When Suse dicide to discontinue the LinuxPPC issue of its distro, and because my last IBook2.2 was no more supported by the Suse 7.3 issue (XFree86), i switched to YellowDog 3... In the same time, Scott decide to discontinue the LinuxPPC edition of a MC 2.5 engine, in considering that it would be more difficult to compile the 2.5 engine for LinuxPPC than to invite two customers (was, Andu Novac and me) switch to the x86 development/deployment platform... So ! I'm sure Scott was fully right and i'm sure, too, that a Rev's LinuxPPC engine could be back, if enough of us let the Rev's team know about : please, if possible, give us a LinuxPPC engine back ;-) -- Best Regards, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Rev on Linux PPC - Would you use it?
Hi Judy, Le sam 01/11/2003 22:41, Judy Perry a crit : My lone linux student (using an intel box I think) has complained mightily to me that he's had nothing but trouble trying to use the 30-day eval version and so has given up (and hence won't be buying it anytime soon). (Mind you -- it's not like he's given me any specifics and just seemed to be in a complaining mood). Do any Rev Linux users out there have any general tips or 'gotcha's' that they can pass along? Because the Linux Rev's issues have probably not been extensivelly tested under many kind of Linux distributions, a newbie can get some troubbles in running Rev under Linux. The best to do is to install it under a RedHat distro and to test Rev under differents XFree86 graphical desktop managers, Gnome, first, and KDE, last. For my own, to avoid possibles problems, i'm still running MC 2.5 under Linux (Suse 8 Pro x86) and Rev 2.1.1 under MacOSX (Jaguar). Hope this help ! Best Regards, Pierre The MacAddict review noted that Rev seems to crash unexpectedly, but I've honestly not had that problem since the OSX appearance manager thingy got fixed... It crashes ALOT in the class lab, but the machines in there only have 128 MB RAM. Thanks, Judy On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Bill Vlahos wrote: I would like to deploy my apps for PPC Linux although I will continue to use OS X as my primary development platform. I don't know if it would be easier for RunRev to resume making the distribution engine for PPC Linux even if they don't make an IDE for it. Obviously it would be best to have everything for every platform but that would at least let me deploy for PPC Linux. Revolution offers the linux community exactly what it needs but doesn't have...a powerful yet easy to use programming environment. If I was a Linux freak I'd be all over Revolution. Of course having to actually buy software goes against the grain of most of the linux users I know. I'd be curious to know how well any of the Rev apps you folks have been selling are actually getting money from linux users. I wrote an electronic phone book for my previous company which the Mac and Windows community loved, but the linux users looked down on it because it was a GUI app and they already had finger (and that app was even free). Bill Vlahos On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 04:28 PM, Igor Couto wrote: So, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER USING A LINUX PPC VERSION OF REV, please DROP ME A LINE. If there is enough show of interest in this topic, then I will message the RunRev team, and let them know that we'd suppor their efforts in that area! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting PDF files
Le mer 29/10/2003 21:49, J. Landman Gay a crit :
On 10/29/03 2:42 PM, Mark Powell wrote:
http://www.activepdf.com/en/Products/WebGrabber/Start.asp
This would presuppose that you have HTML in your flow, which you may not
want to do. And it presupposes that it can be driven from Rev, which I
don't yet know. But food for thought.
If you find out if it works, let us know. Unfortunately for me, this is
a Windows-only solution.
Hello again, Jacque, Friends,
See below how to drive this kind of workflow in using HTMLDOC (available
as source package for OSX, Win32, and Linux) from easysoftware.com (the
CUPS printing system author), with the help of Apache and PHP :
1.- the transcript server-sided part, witch outputs the result direclty
to the client-side webbrowser, where LeTestNe is, as var, the main part
of the name of the html file witch will be ouptputed as PDF file.:
on PDFoMaticbyMC -- (portrait)
global Retour,LeTestNe,MasNPE1,Lepath
get shell (htmldoc --quiet --jpeg --links --webpage --portrait --size A4 -t pdf14
-f /tmp/p LeTestNe .pdf /tmp/p LeTestNe .html)
set httpheaders to Content-Type: application/pdf cr Content-Length: the
length of lalalahitou cr cr # Apache :oui ; IIS : non
put HTMLSCRIPTwindow.open('wmc.php?f=/tmp/p LeTestNe
.pdf');/SCRIPT/HTML into Retour
end PDFoMaticbyMC
on PDFoMaticbyMCLS -- (landscape)
global Retour,LeTestNe,Lepath
get shell (htmldoc --quiet --jpeg --links --webpage --landscape --size A4 -t
pdf14 -f /tmp/p LeTestNe .pdf /tmp/p LeTestNe .html)
set httpheaders to Content-Type: application/pdf cr Content-Length: the
length of lalalahitou cr cr # Apache :oui ; IIS : non
put HTMLSCRIPTwindow.open('wmc.php?f=/tmp/p LeTestNe
.pdf');/SCRIPT/HTML into Retour
end PDFoMaticbyMCLS
2.- the php part :
?
$f=$HTTP_GET_VARS['f'];
#Contrle du fichier ( ne pas oublier !)
if (substr($f,5,4)!='p093' or strpos($f,'.php') or strpos($f,'/') or strpos($f,'\\'))
{
print (HTMLHEADTITLEERROR: File Not Found/TITLE/HEAD.
BODY background='/gif/fond-maison.gif'H1File Not Found/H1P.
H3Nom de fichier incorrect./H3.
/BODY/HTMLBR\n);
exit;
}
if (!file_exists($f))
{
print (HTMLHEADTITLEERROR: File Not Found/TITLE/HEAD.
BODY background='/gif/fond-maison.gif'H1File Not Found/H1P.
H3Le document attendu rsulte d'une publication qui n'est plus
disponible. Renouvelez la requte initiale pour le recharger./H3.
/BODY/HTMLBR\n);
exit;
}
if($HTTP_ENV_VARS['USER_AGENT']=='contype')
{
print (HTMLHEADTITLEERROR: File Not Found/TITLE/HEAD.
BODY background='/gif/fond-maison.gif'H1File Not Found/H1P.
H3Pour pouvoir consulter ce document, une mise--jour de votre
navigateur IE est ncessaire./H3.
/BODY/HTMLBR\n);
exit;
}
#Envoi du PDF
header('Content-type: application/pdf');
// header('Content-disposition: inline; filename=($f)');
readfile($f);
#Suppression du fichier
unlink($f);
exit;
?
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Re: Panther problems
Hi List, Alex, Le lun 27/10/2003 01:52, Alex Rice a crit : On Oct 26, 2003, at 11:45 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: OK then why does the Distribution builder have fields for document type and document icon? Distribution builder ignores it? Well, you've got a point there. I wasn't thinking about that when I responded. DB should honor those entries. To be fair- DB does get it right, I think, when the document type fields are all filled in. It's when they are empty that it takes the liberty of assigning .rev as a filetype. So ! It seem you pointed us to the way we need to take to get the expected results in using DB under the Linux and Panther platforms. Thanks Alex :-) Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panther problems
Le lun 27/10/2003 19:53, Alex Rice a crit : On Oct 27, 2003, at 4:22 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: To be fair- DB does get it right, I think, when the document type fields are all filled in. It's when they are empty that it takes the liberty of assigning .rev as a filetype. So ! It seem you pointed us to the way we need to take to get the expected results in using DB under the Linux and Panther platforms. Thanks Alex :-) Sorry, I don't think so- I don't know what it does, if anything, for Linux. What I meant by does get it right is that it fills in the app bundle's Info.plist entries for the doc type. This applies for all versions of OS X not just Panther. It's what i understood, even if i spoke only about the platforms i'm mostly interesting in ;-) Bests, Pierre Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Linux PPC Version?
Hello Igor, Two years ago, i had, one hand, to develop, maintain and update Metacard-based applications servers running under Linux x86 and, second hand, two development laptops to do the job. The both laptop were running Suse-Linux 7.3 Pro, one on a Compaq x86 notebook, one under an IBook2. It was, at this time no difference for me : i was using MC 2.32 Linux x86 and Linux PPC as if it was only one unique Linux platform... Today, my Ibooks are still dual booting under YellowDog3 and OSX but there is no a Rev's 2.1 Linux PPC issue available... I'm still using Linux x86 in both the production and development tasks even if i'm on the way to switch my Linux development to OSX, just because RunRev seems no more interested in letting us developp under the Linux PPC platform. I think, for my own, that's an error, but it's so ;- Le ven 24/10/2003 05:16, Igor Couto a crit : Someone just recently was mentioning that perhaps the Rev folks had dropped support for Linux on PPC (Mandrake/YellowDog)? I was wondering whether that *IS* a known fact, or whether the RunRev folks have just been so busy with the upcoming version of Revolution that they haven't had a chance to do a compilation with the 2.x engine for Linux PPC... I'm asking because my partner and I would love to develop some apps for the Linux market. I have a spare HD in my main machine (Mac), and was thinking of installing YellowDog - to use it as a development/testing platform for the Linux versions. However, if Rev does not run there, then there would not be much point, would it? Any info on this would be greatly appreciated! Kindest Regards, -- Igor de Oliveira Couto -- -- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: cross-stack globals, also, file inclusion
Le jeu 23/10/2003 04:20, J. Landman Gay a crit : On 10/22/03 8:44 PM, Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: But wouldn't a custom property, which can only be modified using the IDE, a script or the message box be more of what you want than a constant (which would have to be defined anyway in a script which would have to be run) ? The property is just there, with nothing to do to set it, and nothing's going to accidentally clear or change it. That's my feeling too. I'm afraid I don't see any need for global constants when we've got custom properties that can do essentially the same thing. The same feeling here : unneed keywords may add unneed confusion in the ways we can get the best from transcript -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Revolution HTTPd Project
Le dim 19/10/2003 18:39, Andre Garzia a crit : Hi Folks, I am very very very very pleased to announce for immediate release the Revolution HTTPd Project. It's a simple httpd server based on Metacard HTTPd stack. It can serve files from a local folder and it can do lot's of stunts with substacks Yes thats dynamic content for you. I borrowed (or invented I don't know) a concept of transportation, meaning when a user call a file from the server, it checks if theres a substack with the same name, if it does have one, then it checks what was the desired output format (this time it's XML or HTML) then it pipes the result from the stack to the user. It's very cool and you must see to understand. I created a webpage for this project its located at http://www.soapdog.org/rev/revhttpd.html there you can get all your infos and the first release. It's all public domain with source. The current substacks (they act like CGI apps) are: Quotes - It's a quote of the day app, when requested as Quotes.html it will render a nice html, if requested as Quotes.xml it will render a simple to parse xml. Status - It shows some status info like open sockets and open stacks, when asked as Status.html it renders a nice HTML, the XML option will redirect you to a nice error page telling that this substack does not like XML. It's also possible to make HTTPd stack present itself by calling http://localhost:8080/httpd.html, it will echo the http request, this is usefull for debuging. It's a very fun project, take your time to explore the site, there I explain how it's all done, also feel free to send me mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll leave the HTTPd stack running at home so if anyone want to try it (don't know if my ISP firewall will allow the connection) can point their browsers to http://home.soapdog.org:8080/ The direct download link is http://www.soapdog.org/rev/httpd.zip PS: I've got a paypal account under [EMAIL PROTECTED] if anyone want to support this project. Cheers and serve the developer. Andre Alves Garzia 2003 BRAZIL http://www.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi Andre, Congratulations and thanks for doing this great project available to us. I'm sure i have to learn about it before asking about its functionnalities but..., i have a first question indeed : does REv HTTPd support the POST method, along the GET one ? -- Thanks again and Kind Regards, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac / PC Scripting issues
Le ven 17/10/2003 17:52, Stephen Messimer a crit : Richard, I think I understand what you mean by low ASCII. Not having memorized either the Mac or PC character sets this becomes an issue when I am using a particular character. It would be nice to have a simple list that points out areas where the two character sets diverge. Thanks for your response. It will send me in the right direction. On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 11:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are these all the cross platform scripting cautions you need to be aware of when developing for both the Windows and Macintosh platforms? Having a complete set of information on this subject in one place would be most helpful. Stay with low-ASCII and you're fine. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site Regards, Steve Stephen R. Messimer, PA 208 1st Ave. South Escanaba, MI 49829 www.messimercomputing.com -- Build Computer-Based Training modules FAST with preceptorTools -- Public Beta available Now! -- Macintosh G-4 OSX 10.2.6, OS 9.2.2, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.1 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hello There, Try this utility button to stick in your in development stage apps : on mouseUp if the shiftkey is up then repeat with c = 1 to 255 put numtochar(c) = # c ; return after buffa end repeat answer buffa end if end mouseUp -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:
Le ven 17/10/2003 19:00, Pierre a crit : Hello, I'm trying to call a function which is defined in a card, from another card of the same stack. I've been tryinng with the get and call keyword but each time, revolution tells me can't find handler. Does anyone can give me the right syntax to call a function ? Do I need to define this function as a global function (if it is possible ...) ? Thanks a lot Pierre ** L'ADSL A 20 EUR/MOIS** Avec Tiscali, l'ADSL est 20 EUR/mois. Vous pourrez chercher longtemps avant de trouver moins cher ! Pour profiter de cette offre exceptionnelle, cliquez ici : http://register.tiscali.fr/adsl/ Offre soumise conditions. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Bonsoir Pierre, Try this : Send mouseup to btn x of cd y where btn x contains : on mouseup handlerz # where handlerz lies on the card script end mouseup -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Installing REV in Linux - how?
Le ven 17/10/2003 20:56, Barry Levine a crit : I DL'd the v2.0.3 Rev but the .tgz file (when I double-click it to open it in KDE) appears to be missing much of what needs to be there; the engines folder is empty, for example. I'm running YDL (Yellow Dog Linux) on my PowerBook. Taking into account I'm a Mac guy (obvious by my eMail) who expects a drag drop installation, what am I doing wrong? Thanks, Barry PS - If you think this is too off-topic, you may eMail me directly. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hello, Bad news for us, the LinuxPPC afficionados... If i right remember, there is no, for yet, LinuxPPC engine available for Rev 2 ;- The last one available was, again if i good remember, the Metacard 2.4 one. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: test
Hello again, List 'nd Friends ;-): Wahoo! Glad to see we're back on line... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Brownell Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:40 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: test On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 03:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: RE: test Reply-To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] I got it. N 10-4 Baltimore: roger, wilco, over... ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use- revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: JDBC instead of ODBC
Le dim 05/10/2003 05:43, Monte Goulding a crit : On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 06:02 PM, Todd Geist wrote: There is a FileMaker Pro plug-in which can connect to any database that has JDBC access. I have used this plug-in to retrieve data from and edit data on Firebird, MySQL, and Postgres servers. There was very little difference in the code, and it was very fast. (Why am I using FileMaker? That's another story). FileMaker's plug-in API is C/C++, not Java. So the developers of the plug-in had to write some kind of C/C++ wrapper around the java code. I was imagining that some clever Rev Nut could do the same thing for Revolution. Maybe as others have pointed out there is no need. Todd, that's a new one one me! I'm all for any method to get the bountiful world of JDBC drivers can be opened up to us. Certainly better than dealing with ODBC, on Win32 platforms. This is a very interesting idea. Personally I'd go for expanding the external API to include Java. JDBC would be an advantage considering there's a JDBC dirver for almost every DB but think of the possibilities that RMI would bring. We could all get fat writing Rev clients to J2EE systems ;-) Cheers Monte Yes, Yes, Yes. Even if Rev don't really need Java to connect RDBMS, it could be a good marketing way to help and let J2EE developers come to Revolution, in discovering and loving it's elegance and simplicity :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: JDBC instead of ODBC
Le dim 05/10/2003 09:24, Monte Goulding a crit : Le dim 05/10/2003 05:43, Monte Goulding a crit : On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 06:02 PM, Todd Geist wrote: There is a FileMaker Pro plug-in which can connect to any database that has JDBC access. I have used this plug-in to retrieve data from and edit data on Firebird, MySQL, and Postgres servers. There was very little difference in the code, and it was very fast. (Why am I using FileMaker? That's another story). FileMaker's plug-in API is C/C++, not Java. So the developers of the plug-in had to write some kind of C/C++ wrapper around the java code. I was imagining that some clever Rev Nut could do the same thing for Revolution. Maybe as others have pointed out there is no need. Todd, that's a new one one me! I'm all for any method to get the bountiful world of JDBC drivers can be opened up to us. Certainly better than dealing with ODBC, on Win32 platforms. This is a very interesting idea. Personally I'd go for expanding the external API to include Java. JDBC would be an advantage considering there's a JDBC dirver for almost every DB but think of the possibilities that RMI would bring. We could all get fat writing Rev clients to J2EE systems ;-) Cheers Monte Yes, Yes, Yes. Even if Rev don't really need Java to connect RDBMS, it could be a good marketing way to help and let J2EE developers come to Revolution, in discovering and loving it's elegance and simplicity :-) I imagine the combination of Sun's 'write once, run anywhere' marketing and the fact that Rev actually delivers on it would be quite a good combination ;-) To be quite honest I think this is an area that Rev could clean up. Java GUI's (swing or not) are crap and dog slow. J2EE clients could be developed in VB but that rules out cross platform clients. Cheers Monte LOTS MORE THAN 1000 TIMES TRUE. Kevin, Tuviah, Scott ? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newcard: a curious bug!?
Le dim 05/10/2003 11:19, Dom a crit : OS 10.2.4 iceBook 800 Rev 2.1 Run an icebook 800, here too. Good mothercard, lots more faster than my previous icebook 600 and even than the G4 12 inches, i was going to brought before my resseller said me i would do a best operation in taking the icebook instead ;-) Why don't you upgrade to 10.2.6 ? Bests, Pierre -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Some doubts 'bout Revolution
Le dim 05/10/2003 18:50, Jlio Csar Kdel a crit : No... I was thinking in Platinum... ;-) After some time, users get a little tired about the look and feel of their OSes (that's why exists skins modules for Windows and Linux). It would be nice to change the look of my app without any effort. One thing that I'm getting some problem is on buttons. It would be nice if we could make buttons like the skins programs. Let's suppose a PNG file: +-+ !*! +-+ A Skin program would divide a PNG file in a 3x3 matrix, then, apply the + on corners, repeat -, * and - on center (H) and ! on vertical, mouting this way a button (independent of its size). Would be a nice addition to Rev a way to make a fixed 32x32 PNG and apply it to a button (whatever the button changes in size, it will reorganize the matrix making the graphic fit to any size without magnifications). Hi Jlio, In between many good addresses, you will find most of what you are thinking about in visiting the Chipp's web site at http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/About.htm, the Richard's one at http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/, the Jacque's one at http://www.hyperactivesw.com/, the Rev's developers home at http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/usercontributions.html etc, etc... Just see how it's always, in between us, a Revolutionnary to gohead, in what each other is searching about ;-) Cool, is'n it ? Bests, Pierre - Original Message - From: Stephen Quinn Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 4:57 AM Subject: Re: Some doubts 'bout Revolution I don't think that's what Jlio meant. I think he wants his app to *look like* aqua when it runs in Windoze, not just in development. I suppose one could create 'aqua like' graphic objects such as invisible buttons, but the scrollbars in fields would be a problem, not to mention menus. There also might be some 'look and feel' copyright issues with Apple, depending on how far one went. Besides, it would probably be disconcerting for a Windoze user to see what he is not used to At 10:44 PM -0300 10/4/2003, Jlio Csar Kdel wrote: My question was: it is possible to make this look and feel of Classic MacOS in a Rev. application running in Windows (i.e. I make a application, that is distributed for Windows machines, and want to apply ClassicMacOS style on it, as it is possible in the development stage) Set the lookAndFeel property to Macintosh to get the Platinum appearance. (This is what the menu item in the development environment does.) -- Jeanne DeVoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 01/10/2003 / Verso: 1.4.0 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: JDBC instead of ODBC
Le dim 05/10/2003 18:56, Jlio Csar Kdel a crit : The problem is (for Firebird): Firebird is, in my opinion, the best database engine, after Microsoft SQL and MySQL. I would for my own say : before them and many others alike, Sybase ASE 12.5 or IBM DB2, and along the other best ACID compliant SQL server available for free : the usefull and unbreakable PostgreSQL... BUT, there only source code for direct access in Linux and Windows (nobody likes mac =( ). Even if ODBC would be a TRUE reality on all plataforms, we'd need a ODBC driver for Firebird, wich exists only for Windows (there is plans for a Linux one, but it's not available yet). For Macintosh, Firebird is nothing. (Those who program in Windows environment know what is Borland and Interbase, are strong names on our plataform, and Firebird is the continuation, the evolution, of Interbase). So, we need not only ODBC, but the drivers for ODBC also (that's why I insist that would be A LOT simple, faster, clean and easier, to make a native driver for Firebird/Interbase). After MySQL, Valentine, PostgreSQL and Firebird, what more could we want??? Access and MSSQL Server? (This could be true to Macs and Windows, but I doubt about someone in Linux make some Microsoft thing, he he he) - Original Message - From: Tuviah Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 8:08 AM Subject: Re: JDBC instead of ODBC I'm all for any method to get the bountiful world of JDBC drivers can be opened up to us. Certainly better than dealing with ODBC, on Win32 platforms. ODBC is standard on Win32 platforms, and OSX ships with an ODBC manager. So it's just a matter of getting the ODBC drivers from the vendor. If you want direct access we support a number of databases and are sure to support more. If you want to get your hands dirty with RevDB you can build your own RevDB driver (or pay someone else to), contact me off list for an SDK. You can also use the bugzilla, and request support for the database. Tuviah Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited - Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 01/10/2003 / Verso: 1.4.0 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newcard: a curious bug!?
Le dim 05/10/2003 19:35, Dom a crit : Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you upgrade to 10.2.6 ? Quand a marche, ne touche rien ;- (c'est comment en anglais ?) (I know there is an expression in english but can't remember) With each upgrade the battery problem arises again... idem with the new fresh 10.2.8 ;- Agreed. Some times, mouse freezing and so on, on wake-up, there too... I will wait until a stable 10.3 ;-))) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: JDBC instead of ODBC
Le dim 05/10/2003 21:56, Jlio Csar Kdel a crit : I would for my own say : before them and many others alike, Sybase ASE 12.5 or IBM DB2, and along the other best ACID compliant SQL server available for free : the usefull and unbreakable PostgreSQL... PostgreSQL... Did you install it on Windows? How many days did you get to do this task? My apologies about Win32 ;- I don't need nor want to use it anymore, since i'm mostly working in about Web's and ERP's client-server solutions and because OSX and Linux are giving me all the power and security i need, where Win NT, XP and so, are, as server-side solutions, in less than 15 seconds, still full breakables and unsecure systems. A good program is a program that you don't need to be a pHD in informatic to install. Remember that our costumers are not always genius. Install MySQL or PostgreSQL is a pain for a light user, MS SQL is too big... Agreed ;-) Firebird is the only one that you can deploy within your application (it have about 3Mb and installation is just as simple as copy files and run a register app.). The driver is just a small ActiveX DLL, which you put in the System Folder, call Register Service of DLL and you're done (and you don't need to use ODBC for that. It will create a ADODB engine). Remember RAD? It would be fast, easy and fun ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newcard: a curious bug!?
Hi Dom, It's not a bug... Just because your answer brakes the original message path, you just need to invert your two statments as below to get the expected result : Bests, Pierre on newcard send delete this card to this card -- in 1 sec answer Only one card, please! end newcard Le sam 04/10/2003 17:57, Dom a crit : I have a single card stack. I don't want the user adds a new card; so I trap the newcard message (accordingly with the help) If I write: on newcard send delete this card to this card in 1 sec end newcard That works... But if I add a warning, such as in: on newcard answer Only one card, please! send delete this card to this card in 1 sec end newcard That doesn't work... the newly created card is not deleted! If I go further and add again new card, it ends with a blank dialog and Rev freezes... -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: JDBC instead of ODBC
Allo Friends, Under, at least, Linux, Java is between 200% and 600% slower than the RR 2.1 engine is. Use, at least the shell() + pipe option if you are not really aware (alike me, for yet) with the RevDB lib. I used it for years in production state critical apps (80% of writes, up to 250 connections/second) with never a problem (Athlon 800, 1Go RAM, Suse-Linux 8.2 Pro, Apache, PHP, Revolution 2.1, PostgreSQL 7.3.3). Le sam 04/10/2003 20:26, Alex Rice a crit : On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 11:49 AM, Todd Geist wrote: But what about all those database engines that can use JDBC? I know some of them are already supported by Rev but wouldn't it be nice to have a single method to connect to all those databases that didn't require setting up and configuring ODBC? But JDBC is for JAVA apps/applets. Java programmers we are not. Maybe I am missing your point. Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Some doubts 'bout Revolution
Hi Jlio, To see an example of a full working Revolution+PostgreSQL application, here as the Web issue (there is a Rev's client side app available too), developped in less than some days, have an eye at : http://acacia93.dyndns.org/citalis.xml and let me know, off-list, if you need more infos or sources stack about how to run this kind of Rev's process. Bests, Pierre Le sam 04/10/2003 23:26, Jlio Csar Kdel a crit : Each day I'm more convinced that Revolution is a great program tool. Some things are amazing easy to do, and seems so powerfull that I think no program CAN'T be developed in Rev. But, I must ask some questions: (first, sorry by comparing Rev with VB, but I'm a BASIC programmer since 1986, and VB is my current world ;-] ) 1) Nowadays, more and more applications (especially those developed in RAD tools) are using HTML, for display data, forms, or whatever. In my case, I use HTML for custom relats (my program parses tags in HTML file and then replace them with some data. It's a easy way to make relats customizable for the final user). Revolution doesn't have a control that show HTML pages (I know there is a DLL, which I assume that use IE engine, but work only for Windows). There is some way to display full HTML pages within cards, in all plataforms (or, at least, Windows and *nix)? Or, if not, at least a standard way to execute a HTML file (some kind of shell that would open the default Web Browser of OS and display a local file). 2) Someone know a site where there is some Rev. applications to download (to study, of course, open source)? 3) Since Windows 95, both Mac and *nix plataforms are using controls like the Windows TreeView and ListItems controls. There is something like this for Revolution (TV and LI objects are used, for example, in a Windows Explorer window, wich TreeView is the object that shows a tree of folders and ListItems is the object that show items with icons, tabs and subitems) 4) Is there a IDE for Revolution other than the current? 5) Revolution IDE is capable of showing the look and feel of other plataforms (for example, MacOS and Motif). In a distributed application, there is some way to make it look like a Mac, for example, by default (in other words: Can I make a Revolution application in Windows that mantain the look of Mac?) 6) When making a compiled application from Revolution, I noticed that it would NOT support Microsoft icons other than 16 colors... There's no way to use 256 colors icons? (the best would be if Rev. could use TrueColor or RGBA icons, but 256 colors are the minimal to nowadays Windows stardards). Well... I guess it's only this... Thanx in advance for all ;-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 'bout Revolution and FireBird
Hi Jlio, Revolution is full featured to let us build fine web's/erp's clients and server side applications. I used Metacard and Revolution extensively since 98 in this way with full satisfaction. There are, for yet, two ways you can use to connect Revolution to FireBird (in between, FB is a great acid compliant db !) : - the build-in RevDB library to connect both Rev's client-side front-end, via POST method requests to your remote or localhost server - the build-in shell() command in sending direct SQL's statements to the FireBird command-line client via pipe statements. This way can be usefull to bind server-side Rev's apps to your FireBird back-end (in root mode). It's the way i used for years, before Tuviah did the RevDB lib available to us (Rev 1.1.1 and above). I would recommand you to use the first way, even if the second, i used extensively (Linux/OSX, Apache, MC/RR, PostgreSQL) for years, can be usefull too, if needed. See below an example of code you can test and adapt to your own needs : put psql -h localhost projecoles -U postgres into PgPath put shell(echo quote select * from etablist order by etab0011 quote | PgPath) into AccPpx Have fun ! Bests, Pierre Le jeu 02/10/2003 15:37, Jlio Csar Kdel a crit : I was developing a commercial system in VB 6, but many clients request me Linux compatibility, which I can't achieve with VB, then, I found Revolution and downloaded a trial version to see its capabilities... I already know that Revolution have support for MySQL and ODBC, but I using FireBird (a Interbase compatible database engine). In Windows, I have an OCX DLL that implement ODBC with FireBird (and thus, allowing VB access to FireBird). But, I don't know how this work on Linux systems... It will be possible to use FireBird on Linux, or even ODBC? Any help on this issue will be welcome... ;-) Thanx in advance, Tenebree Software http://www.tenebree.com -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[Fwd: Re: 'bout Revolution and FireBird]
Julio, I encourage you to ask more about RevDB to Tuviah Snyder (RunRev's technical manager and RevDB developer). -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ---BeginMessage--- Hi Jlio, Revolution is full featured to let us build fine web's/erp's clients and server side applications. I used Metacard and Revolution extensively since 98 in this way with full satisfaction. There are, for yet, two ways you can use to connect Revolution to FireBird (in between, FB is a great acid compliant db !) : - the build-in RevDB library to connect both Rev's client-side front-end, via POST method requests to your remote or localhost server - the build-in shell() command in sending direct SQL's statements to the FireBird command-line client via pipe statements. This way can be usefull to bind server-side Rev's apps to your FireBird back-end (in root mode). It's the way i used for years, before Tuviah did the RevDB lib available to us (Rev 1.1.1 and above). I would recommand you to use the first way, even if the second, i used extensively (Linux/OSX, Apache, MC/RR, PostgreSQL) for years, can be usefull too, if needed. See below an example of code you can test and adapt to your own needs : put psql -h localhost projecoles -U postgres into PgPath put shell(echo quote select * from etablist order by etab0011 quote | PgPath) into AccPpx Have fun ! Bests, Pierre Le jeu 02/10/2003 15:37, Jlio Csar Kdel a crit : I was developing a commercial system in VB 6, but many clients request me Linux compatibility, which I can't achieve with VB, then, I found Revolution and downloaded a trial version to see its capabilities... I already know that Revolution have support for MySQL and ODBC, but I using FireBird (a Interbase compatible database engine). In Windows, I have an OCX DLL that implement ODBC with FireBird (and thus, allowing VB access to FireBird). But, I don't know how this work on Linux systems... It will be possible to use FireBird on Linux, or even ODBC? Any help on this issue will be welcome... ;-) Thanx in advance, Tenebree Software http://www.tenebree.com -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ---End Message---
Re: Re: 'bout Revolution and FireBird]
Jlio, Le jeu 02/10/2003 18:17, Jlio Csar Kdel a crit : Thanx for the tip... I was thinking in some more, how could I say, easy, he he he (something like ADO), About something like ADO, sorry, i forgot to say, explicitly, that RevDB supports natively ODBC. Just pick the Database Query Builder item from the Tools menu and fill the needed fields to connect your Firebird backend in ticks ;-) but I'll try to contact him... Thank you very much for the help... I'm analysing a lot of languages (including RealBasic, wich doesn't have Linux support yet), and Revolution seems to be a perfect tool for my little program. You welcome, Pierre Best Regards, - Original Message - From: Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: [Fwd: Re: 'bout Revolution and FireBird] Julio, I encourage you to ask more about RevDB to Tuviah Snyder (RunRev's technical manager and RevDB developer). -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 01/10/2003 / Verso: 1.4.0 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Burning ISO CD image on Mac
Hello, Here is the way i did successfully the same work : 1.- insert a new writable CD into your macosx box. 2.- it will be asked you to prepare it for writing mode 3.- select the last option in the popup (copy cd) 4.- it will be asked you witch iso formated file to write 5.- select directly the lindows iso file you downloaded (instead of your unneded desktop mounted file) 6.- the copy will begin... Bests, Pierre Le mer 01/10/2003 07:34, curry a crit : I am trying to test the downloadable Lindows CD, but my CD burner is on my iMac (built-in), so I'm trying to burn it there before using it on my PC. I was using the Finder's burn feature, and made two CDs to try: first I dragged the ISO itself onto the CD image and burned it, and the second time I double-clicked the ISO to mount it and burned the contents. Neither of the CDs was able to boot the PC. (Yes, the PC is checking CD first for boot.) Does anyone know how to do this type of burn? :) Thanks very much, -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Using Rev as a multiplatform GUI to control perl and shell scripts -- or is Tcl/tk better?
Hi Ben, The best way is to pipe all the needed perl or any other kind of scripting languages you would have to use. See, as an example, how i'm accessing the psql command line client (PostgreSQL) and just tune the script below by replacing my code by yours : put psql -h localhost projecoles -U postgres into PgPath put shell(echo quote select * from etablist order by etab0011 quote | PgPath) into AccPpx Bests, Pierre Le mer 01/10/2003 17:16, Ben Collyer a crit : I want to make a multiplatform GUI for dozens of perl and shell scripts that process and analyse logs. I had hoped to try to use Revolution, because I know some transcript, but wondered how you simply execute a perl script using Rev, (without passing any arguments etc. -- although this might eventually be useful). I am running the scripts on MacOSX, from the bash shell. a typical command line to execute a script might be bash-2.05a$ perl desktop/logs/scripts/extract.pl its a script that churns away for potentially hours, stripping and reformatting logfile lines, counting, etc what transcript script do I need to launch the same script from a button in Rev? And would the same transcript work on other platforms? A friend said I should learn Tcl/Tk instead.. but is he right? opinions gratefully received Ben ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[Fwd: PreceptorTools Public Beta Released
Hi Steve, The subject header of your announcement was missing. I'm going to test PreceptorTools right now ;-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ---BeginMessage--- Hi All, This is just to let you know that the Public Beta of PreceptorTools has been release and is available for download. :-) = For Immediate Release PreceptorTools Public Beta Released The New Way to Develop Courseware - In Minutes! Edinburgh, Scotland, 25th September, 2003 Messimer Computing, Inc. and Runtime Revolution Ltd. today jointly announced the release of the PreceptorTools public beta. With the PreceptorTools courseware builder, teachers, trainers and students can develop training modules, instructional aids, and presentations for every major platform in minutes, without any programming! Beginners can get started right away, while experienced Revolution developers can use Revolution's rich feature set to customize PreceptorTools for their own needs. Steve Messimer, President of Messimer Computing, said, With its easy-to use ready-made lessons, PreceptorTools is perfect for busy teachers. The prebuilt navigation aids, quizzes, and exams let teachers focus on delivering educational solutions, without worrying about how to code them. Messimer added, I chose Revolution because of its unrivaled ease of use and power. PreceptorTools taps that power for teachers and courseware developers to use. Kevin Miller, CEO of Runtime Revolution, said, We're delighted Messimer Computing chose Revolution to develop PreceptorTools. In combination with Revolution's user-centric approach to development, PreceptorTools makes it even easier for courseware developers to create great computer-based training solutions. To download the public beta version of PreceptorTools, visit http://www.runrev.com/preceptortools/. This public beta can be used for 30 days. PreceptorTools 1.0 will ship in fourth quarter 2003, and will be distributed in the Runtime Revolution online store. About Runtime Revolution Founded in 1997, Runtime Revolution focuses on bringing user-centric development tools to all major platforms. The company produces Revolution, Revolution Express, and Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor. Runtime Revolution, which recently completed its acquisition of MetaCard Corp., is based in Edinburgh, Scotland. For more information, please visit the company on the web at http://www.runrev.com. About Messimer Computing Messimer Computing, Inc. is an applications development firm located in Escanaba, Michigan. It has provided systems information services, custom database design, and application development services to companies and individuals throughout the Midwest since 1986. ### Messimer Computing, Inc. 208 1st Ave South Escanaba, Michigan 49829 http://www.messimercomputing.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] telephone: 1-906-748-2647 Dr Rod McCall Runtime Revolution Ltd 91 Hanover Street Edinburgh EH2 1DJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] telephone: +44 (0) 131 718 4333 fax:+44 (0) 131 718 4334 = I am currently working to update my website with reference material regarding PreceptorTools. It will probably take another week or two to finish that up as there is a lot to say. Please take a moment and stop by the site. http://www.messimercomputing.com By the way, I would like to thank the members of this list for all the help and encouragement they have offered over the last year. You are all great! Kind regards. Steve Stephen R. Messimer, PA 208 1st Ave. South Escanaba, MI 49829 www.messimercomputing.com -- Build Computer-Based Training modules FAST with preceptorTools -- Public Beta available Now! -- Macintosh G-4 OSX 10.2.6, OS 9.2.2, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.0.2 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ---End Message---
RE: Using Valentina Locally, Switching to MySQL on Server`
Le sam 27/09/2003 05:34, Ken Ray a crit : Dan, just curious... why start with Valentina and switch to MySQL instead of using Valentina Server? I know it's in beta right now, but I've been using it for awhile and it seems to work quite well for me and my client. It's not as robust as MySQL, but it is multi-user, has locked records, etc. and wouldn't require switching from one DB to another. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Hi Dan, Ken, List, Agreed. Else, in taking care about the details : as generic as possible ANSI SQL statements, casual management of the access to both the local (even CD hosted) and/or networked datasources, usage of Valentina Server or PostgreSQL instead of MySQL to get the best SQL statements compatibility between the two kind of datasources..., it will, for sure, be ways to build great and usefull local/networked online updatables multimedia and ebooks encyclopedia solutions. Bests, Pierre -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 8:00 PM To: Revolution List Subject: Using Valentina Locally, Switching to MySQL on Server` Is it a logical design approach to build a product so that as a stand-alone, it relies on Valentina but when deployed in a multi-user networked environment, it switches to a central MySQL (or similar) database? Would it be easy to compartmentalize the back end such that the move from one to the other could be fairly transparent? ~~ Dan Shafer, Revolutionary Author of forthcoming 3-book set, Revolution: Programming at the Speed of Thought http://www.revolutionpros.com for More Info ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Lindows teaser
Just to say that LindowsCD start and work perfectly under my old Samsung SN6300 PII 300 160 Mo RAM SNB Laptop. A good ocasion to set-up this old box as an home-made personal firewall/routeur. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Lindows...
Le ven 26/09/2003 11:21, sims a crit : I suspect the answer will be no...I'll ask anyway. If I have Virtual Windows (Windows 98) running on my OSX machine with lots of RAM, will I be able to pop in a Lindows CD and have it run? ;-/ sims Hello, If you mean Virtual PC 5 or 6 (the second is lots faster), the answer is yes. Bests, -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Lindows...
. Xavier, I would suggest you spend some time researching Lindows and decide for yourself, instead of asking your favorite Linux guy. While I originally had many of the same concerns as you, once I started learning more on my own, I found that Lindows is perfect for what I want to do. And their software distribution is most incredible, and solves a lot of problems for small developers. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Installing Lindows?
Le ven 26/09/2003 19:38, Barry Levine a crit : One other question: I saw a comment here on the list about how a *nix distribution requires some sort of additional build, etc. once it's sitting on a user's HD. Does this mean that it would require a user to possess *nix knowledge to install an app I build in Rev beyond double-click this installer or drag this to your hard drive? No. It will run directly from the desktop gui, just alike under MacOS or Win32. Bests, Pierre fixedBarry Jay Levine The Mac Guy Macintosh Troubleshooting, System Engineering, Training, AppleShare/OSX Server Setup, System Upgrades and Enhancements, Custom Programming for Mac/Windows/Linux/Solaris On-Site service for K20, Business, Consumer Phone/VoiceMail: 915-581-1105 Fax: 915-581-8167 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/fixed -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: OS Funnies
Le ven 26/09/2003 20:15, Ken Ray a crit : LOL! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Gilmartin Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OS Funnies Thought this might help start off the weekend right. I have been spending more time working with different Servers and OSes, and a friend sent this to me. If Operating Systems Ran The Airlines IF OPERATING SYSTEMS RAN THE AIRLINES UNIX Airways: Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put the plane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what kind of plane they are supposed to be building. Air DOS: Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump on and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again. Then they push again, jump on again, and so on ... Mac Airlines: All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents look and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions about details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't need to know, don't want to know, and everything will be done for you without your ever having to know, so just shut up. Windows Air: The terminal is pretty and colorful, with friendly stewards, easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After about 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever. Windows NT Air: Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses much bigger planes, and takes out all the other aircraft within a 40-mile radius when it explodes. Linux Air: Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself. When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plan leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, You had to do what with the seat? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Starting Lindows
Le ven 26/09/2003 22:59, Scott Slaugh a crit : Alex is correct. If you've run into problems (I've heard this happens with some onboard display controllers), it will automatically stay in Diagnostics mode. If you want an answer, please consult the Lindows forum and use the Guest message board. I've found it to be most helpful. I'll look at that. I was trying to run the CD in VMWare, rather than on a real machine. I'll have to go home and try the CD on my actual PC. Scott Slaugh _ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi List, Hum ! LindowsCD lacks to start XFree86/KDE because incompatibilities with the NVIDIA Geoforce4 420 Go video card of my chipest Sony Vaio PCG laptop... As an off-subject info, Suse 8.0 is full compatible with this so special NVIDIA Geoforce 4 420 Go but Suse 8.2 is less compatible with the same card ; the NVIDIA binary linux driver run fine under Suse 8.0 but can't install under Suse 8.2. Any one interested in purchasing a x86 box/laptop to run any Linux distro will get a best XFree86 usability in avoiding any NVIDIA video drived computer... Regards, Pierre -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: download woes
Works OK there in using MacOS X 10.2.6 and Mozila 1.5a Le lun 22/09/2003 17:21, Stephen Messimer a crit : Hi all, Anyone have any tips about how to download 2.1. I have tried downloading the Classic, OSX and Windows versions all to no avail. Thinking it might be some sort of Safari related issue I tried IE 5.2 but that didn't work either. Any assistance would be very much appreciated. Thanks. Steve Stephen R. Messimer, PA 208 1st Ave. South Escanaba, MI 49829 www.messimercomputing.com -- Build Computer-Based Training modules FAST with PreceptorTools -- Public Beta available Soon! -- Macintosh G-4 OSX 10.2.6, OS 9.2.2, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.0.2 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] browser plugin patents - warning!
Le sam 13/09/2003 06:57, Dan Shafer a crit : Check out my blog today (http://www.eclecticity.com) for Jeffrey Zeldman's thoughts about what this does to the Web developer, and for a link to Ray Ozzie (Lotus Notes) elaborate refutation of the patent based on prior art he personally invented. Ultimately, this one may get overturned by a higher court. ~~ Dan Shafer, Revolutionary Author of forthcoming 3-book set, Revolution: Programming at the Speed of Thought http://www.revolutionpros.com for More Info ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thanks for the input, Dan. In reading this, i more and more thinking that it's time to gohead in using Rev to build ERP's networked alternative solutions -- Best Regards, , Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] browser plugin patents - warning!
Le sam 13/09/2003 01:47, Tuviah Snyder a crit : Wow how will this impact Java. Looks like Eolas has managed to disable Java in ways MS never could. !!! :-) Looks like these days maybe developers should spend less time coding as more time at the patent office. Tuviah Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited - Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: linux question
Gutten Tag, Klaus, Le ven 12/09/2003 13:35, Klaus Major a crit : Hi list, can anyone tell me, what compression-format can be handled by Linux? SIT/Stuffit probably not ;-) ZIP? Or good ol' built-in GZ? zip, gz oder tgz sind OK. Das zwei und drei sind viel mehr bedienen. (zip, gz, or tgz are OK. The second and three are many more used. Thanks a lot in advance... Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de Tchuss ! Pierre ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: linux question
Le ven 12/09/2003 17:29, Dar Scott a crit : On Friday, September 12, 2003, at 07:35 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: zip, gz oder tgz sind OK. Das zwei und drei sind viel mehr bedienen. On my web site, Revolution stacks are available compressed as zip and sit files. Can I assume from the above that Linux folks are not slighted or should I add gz? Not as long as the standard linux uncompress engines (arc/ark, unzip,...) are, including the zip format. BTW, for each stack about 70% of the downloads are in sit, not zip. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: linux question
Le ven 12/09/2003 19:14, Klaus Major a crit : Bong sure Pierre ;-), Hum ! Is my Spaten beer grade based language... Gutten Tag, Klaus, Le ven 12/09/2003 13:35, Klaus Major a crit : Hi list, can anyone tell me, what compression-format can be handled by Linux? SIT/Stuffit probably not ;-) ZIP? Or good ol' built-in GZ? zip, gz oder tgz sind OK. Das zwei und drei sind viel mehr bedienen. Ah, mercy bocuse... Paul Bocuse ? Ah, thanks a lot ... a little... (...lots...) Fine, then i will use the build-in GZ routines :-) Tchuss ! Pierre Oh reservoir :-D ...away from the well knowed european language named German ? Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de P.S. I knew you have a sense of humour ;-) A cool lazy way to say y'a vol in german ? Auf wieder Zen, Freund Klaus :) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] browser plugin patents - warning!
Le ven 12/09/2003 21:26, Alex Rice a crit : If this is as bad as it sounds, soon lots of irate web developers will be flocking to Revolution and other web-aware app development environments. 2 September 2003 ::: 10 am edt IE, Flash, and patents: here comes trouble http://www.zeldman.com/ We can hope so :-) Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stack script problem
Le jeu 11/09/2003 09:52, Rolf Kocherhans a crit : I made a stack script which would delete the contents of a field in a substack which I open as sheet. The script goes like this and is in the main stack: on openStack put empty into field fldLog of stack Log end openStack Now, my field gets emptied every time I open the Stack Log as sheet, but I would expect that it is emptied only at startup, when the main stack gets loaded. Any clues ? Did you try to put, at least, on openStack pass openStack end openStack handler in the substack Log Regards, Pierre Cheers Rolf ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: cgi does not do save stack
Le mer 10/09/2003 17:21, Bjrnke von Gierke a crit : I am able to do all kind of nifty things in my cgi tests, but I am unable to save a stack, no matter how I try it. Is there a bug, or must I just save differently then in the normal environment? Maybe it's because I use the metacard engine? cgi script below: #!mc on startup open stack guestbook read from stdin until empty if it empty then put urldecode(it) into data split data by and = go to last card create card put the short internet date into field date put data[name] into field name put data[text] into field entry replace return with br in field entry end if put Content-Type: text/html crlf crlf put htmlheadtitleYou are on my iBook! @ bvg.kicks-ass.org/title/headbody bgcolor= quote 148D00 quote repeat with x = the number of cards down to 1 go to card x put pdate:br field date put brname:br field name put brtext:br field entry /phr end repeat put /body save stack guestbook --does not work!! close stack guestbook end startup Hi Bjrnke, I think that it's no way to save a stack without opening it, directly, in graphical mode. Bests, Pierre ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: cgi does not do save stack
Le jeu 11/09/2003 00:00, Monte Goulding a crit : I am able to do all kind of nifty things in my cgi tests, but I am unable to save a stack, no matter how I try it. Is there a bug, or must I just save differently then in the normal environment? Maybe it's because I use the metacard engine? cgi script below: #!mc on startup open stack guestbook read from stdin until empty if it empty then put urldecode(it) into data split data by and = go to last card create card put the short internet date into field date put data[name] into field name put data[text] into field entry replace return with br in field entry end if put Content-Type: text/html crlf crlf put htmlheadtitleYou are on my iBook! @ bvg.kicks-ass.org/title/headbody bgcolor= quote 148D00 quote repeat with x = the number of cards down to 1 go to card x put pdate:br field date put brname:br field name put brtext:br field entry /phr end repeat put /body save stack guestbook --does not work!! close stack guestbook end startup Hi Bjrnke, I think that it's no way to save a stack without opening it, directly, in graphical mode. Not quite true. You can save a stack but you have to ensure that it's got the correct write permissions. You probably want it set to 775 or something. Cheers Monte Bjrnke, Monte, Richard, Thanks to you all three. It's good to know that it works ! Bests, Pierre ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: REQ: Calendar control.
Plaese Friends, it's enough with this thread ! As long as we know something about the beauty of life and sharing the best we can with each other, there are no one diffrence between girls and boys able to make them as diffrent as it would be best to be a girl or a boy. Both, we are first human persons and we need, before any other consideration, to respect us for our humanity (elegance), our complementarity and our differences. Any other idea is directly driving us to be back just poor and stupid animals. Regards, Pierre Sahores Le dim 07/09/2003 12:51, Klaus Major a crit : Hi Andre and Ken and all, On Saturday, September 6, 2003, at 06:46 PM, Ken Ray wrote: Isn't Sean nice?! ;-) Yes, she is. I especially like libSMTP... :-) She... oh boy, I commited a major error in my mail... I am Brazilian, I have trouble with name endings in foreing languages... i am sorry, i am sorry!! Stay cool... ;-) I don't think that i will tell a secret but Sean is a boy (Its a boy!) :-) Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Rev Buyers, did you receive your unlocking key?
Le jeu 04/09/2003 14:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a crit : I got mine yesterday around 13h00. Bought it Sunday afternoon... -=- Xavier Bury TNS NT LAN Server ext 6465 Look like there were lots of last time buyers. Cool ;-) Pierre ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: CGI and find
Le mer 03/09/2003 19:27, J. Landman Gay a crit : On 9/2/03 11:36 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: This isn't to say that storing data in stacks is always a great idea. For larger data sets the engine breaks down and you need a real database. But for smaller data sets -- under 1000-2000 cards or so -- I have found stack-based storage to be easier to set up, easier to maintain, easier to script, quick to search and navigate, and supported by a large number of native commands in the language. I think it is an overlooked solution. I don't feel the need to put my little personal address book into an SQL database. Jacque, About SQL : If you really try it, you will see that it's not a language but just a subset of xtalk-like commands dedicated to manage big collections of datas. Before using Postgresql as backend of my web driven apps, i had to write lots and lots of code to manage in Metatalk/Transcript what SQL does natively (searches, inserts, updates, deletes). An appp using 2.9 Mo of scripting to handle a flat-files based database can be replaced by a 500 Ko one just by using SQL calls instead of offset searches, read, writes... As in Rev/MC, the only difficulty in using PostgreSQL (or, at least, MySQL-Max 4.xx, the 3.23 issue is not really a sure db system) is to think what and how to code. I'm sure you would be really happy in using it. Thanks a lot for sharing with us your last find cgi related post about your mark cards by finding... proposal. Elegant, usefull, impressive. :-) Kind Regards, Pierre ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How many people use Single-Handler Mode in Script Editor?
Le mar 02/09/2003 02:22, Sarah a crit : Not at all, I don't like it. It feels like I'm not in total control of the script and I can't see the comments I put before nearly every handler. Cheers, Sarah The same here. Bests, Pierre ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev CGI Engine and IIS
Le mar 02/09/2003 01:23, Mike Doub a crit : Has anyone be able to use revolution as a cgi engine with IIS? I would appreciate any guidance in setting up the proper configuration. Thanks Mike ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi Mike, I did it four years ago under MC 2.32 + WinNT4 SP5 + IIS4. I reported how it worked on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive list (the old one). It should work with some adaptations in using the RR engine. Best Regards, Pierre ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev as CGI - regular lackings...
Hi List, Scott, In learning how to setup a Rev's sockets listener CGI engine, i get reccurent errors (one for each six calls to the CGI engine). The intereting point is that my test client-side script did'nt get the expected answer from the CGI with a swiss made regularity ??! This script send in a repeat loop a sequence of 20 POST method calls to the CGI. For five to six times, all works fine : the client-side script get its answer from the CGI script but, the next forcoming time, he only get 19 of the 20 expected answers... Each call lacking in the sequence of 20 calls is : sequence 6 : the call number 2 sequence 12 : the call number 4 sequence 18 : the call number 6 sequence 24 : the call number 8 sequence 30 : the call number 10 sequence 36 : the call number 12 sequence 42 : the call number 14 sequence 48 : the call number 16 sequence 54 : the call number 18 sequence 60 : the call number 20 and then, again sequence 66 : the call number 2 sequence 72 : the call number 4 ... and soo on... Here is the client side script, running from inside an active stack : on mouseUp if the shiftkey is down then edit script of me else testconn end mouseUp on testconn put the seconds into time1 set cursor to watch set the thumbposition of sb jauge to 0 put 10 into aa put ee946=941TTF=azertyytreza into ttest repeat with ltr = 1 to 20 if the seconds - time1 10 then exit repeat set httpheaders to Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded return # post ttest to url (fld csrecents) post ttest to url (http://localhost/cgi-bin/wmc.rev;) if it contains ee946=941TTF=azertyytreza then add 1 to qconnect else put ltrafter tconnect set the thumbposition of sb jauge to aa add 10 to aa end repeat if qconnect = 20 then answer La connexion avec le serveur distant est OK return \ (succs des tests de (qconnect div 20)*100 % en the seconds - time1 secondes). else if qconnect 0 then set the thumbposition of sb jauge to 0 answer La connexion avec le serveur distant est instable. return return \ Vrifiez votre configuration d'accs l'internet return avant de poursuivre. return return \ (succs des tests de qconnect /20 ( char 1 to -2 of tconnect ) en the seconds - time1 secondes) else if qconnect = then set the thumbposition of sb jauge to 0 answer La connexion avec le serveur distant est rompue. return return \ Vrifiez votre configuration d'accs l'internet return avant de poursuivre. return return \ (succs des tests de (qconnect div 20)*100 % en the seconds - time1 secondes) end if end testconn and here the cgi script : #!mc on startup start using stack liburl -- idem with/without starting it if $REQUEST_METHOD is POST then repeat while the length of buffer $CONTENT_LENGTH read from stdin until empty put it after buffer end repeat else put HTMLHEADTITLEERROR: File Not Found/TITLE/HEAD \ BODY background='/gif/fond-maison.gif'H1File Not Found/H1P \ H3The file you have requested does not exist on this server./H3 \ /BODY/HTML into buffer end if put Content-Type: text/html return Content-Length: \ the length of buffer return return buffer end startup Both the client and cgi are running under the MC 2.5 issue of the engine under Suse-Linux 8.2 Pro. Any idea about solving this (get always 20 replies for each sequence of 20 calls) would be really helpfull. Thanks to All, Best Regards, Pierre -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: CGI
Usefull to have an eye to the Metacard's cgi documentation and the echo.mt example script, about this task. Le jeu 28/08/2003 17:40, Gregory Lypny a crit : Hi everyone, I'm wondering if there's step-by-step documentation and perhaps an example for using Rev as a CGI in OS X. Regards, Greg ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
New Mainstack item of menu File bug report (Rev 2.1 - Linux x86
New Mainstack don't work in all cases (Rev 2.1 - Suse Linux 8.2) 1.1. - Start Revolution 1.2. - Select New Mainstack from menu File -- nothing happen and no new stack window open... 2.1. - Start Revolution 2.2. - Select Open Stack from menu File -- the right selected stack is opened 2.3. - Close or don't close this last opened stack (egal) 2.4. - Select New Mainstack from menu File -- the new stack window opens, as requiered... 2.5. - From here, each new mainstack requiest will work as expected until Rev will be closed. 2.6. - The next time Rev will be launched, the use of procs 2.1 to 2.4 are needed to be able to have menuitem New Mainstack running OK Reproductibility : 100% Hope this help, Kind Regards, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Can Rev mimic http forms submit?
Le ven 29/08/2003 19:21, Rob Gould a crit : Can anyone tell me if the Revolution post command does the same thing as what a web-browser does when it has a form.submit() action? For instance, let's say I have a form on a web-page that contains a form with some input fields (I've eliminated the tag characters in hopes that email readers won't parse this code): -- form id=theForm method=post action=http://206.46.136.179/portal/vasp; input type=hidden name=SERVICE value=Login input type=text name=UserName value=usernamehere ID=Text1 taborder=1 input type=password name=Password value=abc123 ID=Password1 input type=button id=Login value=Login onclick=theForm.submit(); form - So when the user hits the button id Login, the theForm.submit() javascript action occurs, and the username/password fields are passed to the server. The question I have is, what is the Revolution call to do this type of thing? Is it some form of the POST command? If so, how would I format the post command to pass data like this? Rev is full able to send any kind of POST Method formated command. Be just carefull about setting the httpheaders global as needed by your form. You can adapt the script below as starter point. on testconn put ee946=941TTF=azertyytreza into ttest # replace with your own post datas set httpheaders to Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded return # dont forget the space after the : char post ttest to url (fld csrecents) # your server adress put it # your server reply end testconn Have fun ! -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Mainstack item of menu File bug report (Rev 2.1 - Linux x86
Hi Alex, I did it too. Bests, Pierre Le ven 29/08/2003 21:27, Alex Rice a crit : On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 11:09 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Reproductibility : 100% Pierre , I believe RRev has stated, bug reports can possibly just get lost in the noise on this list. Open a bugzilla report on it as well if you haven't. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Re: Newbie enquiry re using Revolution for Myst style games
Le jeu 28/08/2003 04:32, Dan Shafer a crit : On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 09:01 AM, Edwin Gore wrote: It's too bad that the market these days doesn't really seem to have any place for brilliant, imaginative, playful software like those original Cyan games. I'm not so sure. I spent some time last weekend watching my 13-year-old granddaughter using the Web. Quite a few of the sites she visited have what I'd call atmospheric games. They are more Web-aware, have multi-player options, build in instant messaging and community aspects, and are *somewhat* less graphically rich (living within the confines of the browser.) I think a compelling atmospheric game a la Myst built in Revolution in a way that was Web-aware and overcame the browser's limitations would in fact make a potentially huge product. I have a friend who's building a 3-D online adventure game using Adobe's Atmosphere technology so that it runs over the Web. I don't know how much success he's had so far, but I know he's working actively on it. He's checking out Rev right now as a possible new way to handle the front end because the UI surrounding the 3D stuff doesn't feel compelling in a browser. ~~ Dan Shafer, Revolutionary Author of forthcoming 3-book set, Revolution: Programming at the Speed of Thought http://www.revolutionpros.com for More Info ___ I believe this market is probably under our eyes, firstly in the schools and pedagogic spheres. Bests, Pierre ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: free, lightweight sql engine
Le mer 27/08/2003 09:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a crit : It is possible to access SQLite from Rev in two ways: 1) via odbc (requires installing odbc drivers with your standalone) 2) via shelling out to a command line, running the SQLite SQL client processing the result. I believe that Pierre mentioned that someone (Andu?) on the Metacard list has been using SQLite successfully. Andu is the one ! He use both MC-CGI's and PHP's SQLite driven solutions. I've written to Tuviah to say that I don't think that the author of SQLite would get involved in providing drivers for a specific language. Other people are providing drivers for major languages (Python, Perl, PHP, Smalltalk, Objective-C). As the code for SQLite is publicly available, I've offered to look at generating the drivers for Rev. Of course, it would be best of all if Runrev took a look at SQLite and provided and supported the drivers. I would suggest that anyone who wants to start looking at SQLite uses the odbc drivers, and looks to the SQLite list for any specific help with SQLite (http://www.yahoogroups.com/subscribe/sqlite). People might want to have a look at some speed comparisons between SQLite, MySQL and PostgreSQL - http://sambar.polie.nl/sqllite.htm Your welcome to have the author of the database contact me and I will send him the revdb headers...so he can compile a revdb driver. Should be fairly straightforward. Not sure, but I don't think it's currently possible; someone would have to write an external to use the SQLite client API or write a new database driver for RR. Regards Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thanks for your input about the 2 ways yet availables :-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to stop execution
In some critical debuging state cases, it can be usefull to insert a ... if the shiftkey is down then exit repeat directly inside the repeat loop. Regards, Le mer 27/08/2003 17:36, Steve Gehlbach a crit : RR seems to always be running my code, I don't see a way to stop execution, while developing. Anyone know a way to do this? Occasionally I get stupid loops and it can be difficult to get things to stop while I fix it. Usually RR sprays error boxes and croaks, but when I restart and load the stack, it goes right back to doing the same thing. I just want to load and edit it, not run it (not until I fix it anyway). -Steve ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The Death of 'RevJournal' ???
Works just fine from there (Paris/France). Bests, Pierre Le mar 26/08/2003 17:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a crit : I just typed into the IE address bar http://www.revjournal.com/; and got... Service Unavailable The proxy is currently unable to handle the request due to a (possibly) temporary error. Extended error information is: Failed to forward the request to the web server at www.revjournal.com:80. This may be due to a firewall configuration error or a DNS failure. Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure what you mean. revJournal is still very much alive. We posted two articles just last week, and we're finalizing two more for publication over the next few days. New comments were posted as recently as yesterday. From where I sit, all the links, including yours, work just fine. Please contact me off-list and expand on any problems you may be having. Thanks, Alan S. Golub Publisher, revJournal On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 09:40 AM, Mathewson wrote: Does anybody know what has happened to RevJournal? Everybody's links don't work. Has this site died a death even before it was weaned? Hope not! Richmond ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.1 availability for other unix flavors
Hi List, How many of us could be interesting in using Rev under Linux-PPC ? Thanks for the statistics ;-) Bests, Pierre Le mar 26/08/2003 17:55, Heather Williams a crit : I clicked the link below since it was announced that Rev 2.1 has been released, but in the engines directory there are only files for Linux or Windows. Heather wrote: You can download it from http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/downloads.html The instructions on the download page says to download the distribution for unix, then get the engine for the specific platform. I need the file Iris.gz to get this running on an SGI Irix machine. When will it be available? http://runrev.com/revolution/downloads/engines/2.1/Iris.gz The unix distributions will be available in the next few days. They are not up yet. Regards, Heather -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the IDE does not appear on double click of project
Le dim 24/08/2003 à 09:39, Stephen Quinn Barncard a écrit : When I double click a project file to launch Rev, the IDE does not appear. No menus, etc. 1. what is the call to start up the IDE from a script? 2. is there a setting to 'start IDE on application open' ? This was not the way Rev functioned earlier. Something changed...or something *I* changed!! thanks ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Witch platform ? If Linux, be sure about checking the exec in the properties tab of the Rev engine. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilité ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: APPLE EXPO in PARIS
Yves COPPE wrote: Hi Heather, I write this quesiton to the list because it can show interests for much Revolution users : Will you be present at the Apple Expo in Paris as previous year ?? Greetings. Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Same question. It would be really cool to meet us, there :-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Help - my RunRev IDE has slowed to a crawl
Graham Samuel wrote: I remember this happening to other people maybe when RunRev 2.0 came out, but I can't find the messages using the Google search. Today I was editing a set of stacks which I've been working on for a very long time using both Mac and Windows environments. In this case I was using a Mac running OS9.2.2 to power RR 2.0r2, and very soon after opening my mainstack in the IDE, things slowed to a crawl to the extent that it takes tens of seconds for RunRev to react to clicks or even to give up control to another app. I don't think I've changed my own stuff in other than a trivial way since it was working without problems (just a few iterations ago). Can anyone suggest something I should be doing to bring the IDE back to life? (I ought maybe to say that most of my recent development has been done using a Windows XP system and I've only just got back to the Mac - nevertheless I have built some working apps using the Dist Builder today). Just can't think how to proceed... TIA for any advice Graham Hi Graham, I had such kind of slowing down problems when i switched my first app from MC 2.5 to Rev 2.0.1 (Linux and Jaguar platforms). The only workaround i found to resolve the problem has been to avoid to put more than 100 different objects (buttons, fiels, groups,...) per card. Hope this can help. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to implement an Agree/Disagree License agreement?
yoy wrote: Hello fellow Revolutionaries, OmniLotto, for those who are familiar is finished except I need the user to accept my End User License Agreement. A boilerplate EULA with a not liable for any financial losses as a result of using this software statement to cover my butt. You see them in commercial software all the time. I only want the card (main stack?) to appear once, when they first run it. Then if they agree, it never appears again. Should the software write something into the program or somewhere? What about re-installs? How do you do that? Any advice? Thanks, Andy ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Why not a discrete file, written by your app to the local drive ? -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, aaaaargh.
François Cuneo wrote: Je vais voir si je peux mettre un thème Revolution sur notre forum. J'avertirai ici si ça se fait. -- François Cuneo Site Web dédié au Macintosh http://www.cuk.ch E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The most we speak about RR/MC,... and it would be cool to speak about it, in french, for the froggies we allready are ;-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RevDB, Linux and PostgreSQL
Rodney Tamblyn wrote: Hello everyone, This is just a followup to let you know the bug which I found in Revolution at present that prevents binary data operations with PostgreSQL database has been confirmed. It will be fixed in the final release of 2.1 apparently. In the meantime the workaround which I've discovered, and which works quite well, is to base64encode data then put it into a PostgreSQL text field (which seem, AFAIK, to be able to hold unlimited data). On retrieving the data I do a base64decode to turn it back into binary data. Using this approach I've been able to successfully store image data in PostgreSQL text fields. So the mystery is solved... ~ Rodney ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi Rodney, Cool tip to know ! Could you, please, let me know, the platform witch host your Revolution's PostgeSQL client app, the platform witch host the PostgreSQL server ? Are both the client and the server running on the same box, on two diffrent boxes ? Even in using an example app, friendly provided to me by Sadhu, i have n't, at the moment, found the way to run a Rev's PostgreSQL client app hosted on the Linux platform (no tested on Win32 nor OSX, for yet) :-! Thanks for any help, IBTW : My Postgres 7.xx server is fine running and serving in production mode MC apps trough shell() bindings to the psql Postgres command line client. My problem is to get the right way to replace the shell() way by the RevDB lib's one? -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Console mode apps
Dar Scott wrote: On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 03:40 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Win32 is able to host such apps too, as long as the apps are launched in graphical mode, even id they are only working just as *NIX deamon apps would do. I have run standalones as services with the service gui on and off. I have used them as command-line apps, too. Both seem to be discouraged. It would be great to simply run the engine without the full gui. It would be great to have command-line parsing and stdin and stdout working right, too. Is there a special engine for this? Where do I find it? Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Did you use the win32 cmc engine before ? It's available for download at http://www.metacard.com/get.html -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Console mode apps (was Revolution speed sucks?)
Dar Scott wrote: On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 03:32 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Because the answers have to do with the OS the deamon apps are running on, what are the platform's operating systems your are developing for (MacOSX, Win32, Linux,...) ? I want it all! Let's start with Win32 (or a subset) or OS X. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Dar, At the begining of the story (1997), i was, as lots others, searching a way to set-up a little web-driven flat-files database server. At that time, i was mostly interesting in running the stuff under the MacOS/Webstar platform. After testing lots of stuffs and possibles ways to do the trick (FileMaker, Frontier, Lasso, Visual Cafe, 4D, MacPerl, AppleScript, Live-Card, etc...), i went back to my lovely Hypercard 2.35, found a WebStar doc about the way to use to set-up a Hello world !' CGI in using HC... Because MacOS was not able to handle the way the CGI's are running as scripts under *NIX, the only way to have HC-based CGI up was to have the HC app running along WebStar and to let the two apps communicate trough appleevents. After lots of tunning, this way became rally usefull and i used it to build some MacOS web apps. (re)Because Apple shooted HC, i went to Metacard and because MacOSX did'nt come out, while i was waiting for more than a beta OS (Rhapsody), i went to Linux (1999) and worked hard to set-up Metacard, not as a CGI-engine but (in about speed and security considerations, i had successfully experimented under MacOS8), to have it up as a long-running application process, in compliance with the Init System V guilde-lines. With the help of Scott (Raney), and some times against his advices !!! (the .php-based sockets listener, witch i still recommand) and Andu (Novac), i find out the way to get the expected results (see the metacard archives list). ... As Revolution is yet in front of the stage, i would recommand you to use it instead of MC to go head in building XTalk's based three parts networked apps. All what i learned in about this mather is only work in progress (SQL servers handling trough shell() has to be replaced by the build-in Rev-DB facilities) but what i experimented, along those years, is that the RR(MC) engine rocks in serving critical web's and erp's dedicated apps over the internet. As a possible starter point, i recommand you to read the Sadhu's how-to, witch explain how he builded, in some hours, his first MC-based deamon to serve datas over the web to a MC-based client-side front-end. In between other places, you will find it at ftp://crdp.intereduc.net/howto.html. Search too about a recent (july) general post i did on the Rev's list. Win32 is able to host such apps too, as long as the apps are launched in graphical mode, even id they are only working just as *NIX deamon apps would do. MacOSX is able to run them in both the *NIX and Win32 ways but i did'nt have time to test the first one, at this point. ... Alike Richard, Kevin, Tuviah and others, i belive that Revolution can take-off in about the great internet apps framework he is (even if just some ones of us are still using it in this way), if we can explain how it let us build critical apps without the inconvience of using too trivial or unsuitables tools, java included. Ask for more technical tasks, if needed. Bests, -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Marketing Rev in Other Worlds
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good point Dan Shafer. Rev almost needs a separate marketing, packaging, support and documentation approach for the mass market (and getting Apple to feature it or, dare I say, bundle it ... wouldn't hurt). I would not try and remove any of its basic features but rather put a different face on it for them. The existing program is wonderful but it is oriented towards US and not THEM and THEY have a lot more money ! Dan Shafer writes: The real sweet spot market for Revolution, as it was for HyperCard and the other xCard products, is what I have long been referring to as the Inventive User (IU). IUs are people who: 1. Know their computers can do so much more to help them with their work than anyone has yet made them do. 2. Are smart and creative. 3. Can envision the solutions. 4. Are not professionally trained programmers or at least if they were at one point no longer earn their living coding 5. Probably working in a team or workgroup setting where they are the local IT department Those folks -- and there are millions of them -- NEED Revolution. Badly. But they're not going to take the time to tinker and learn the product after opening Revolution and being faced with a blank screen and a bunch of loosely connected floating palettes. Heck, they don't even get a blank stack window let alone a starting point. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi There, At this point, i'm asking in myself if it would'nt be interesting to do a test in about trying to put for sale some packaged Studio's issues of RR (CD + papers user's and reference manuals) in some special computer's dedicated stores and see what could happen. There is, in Paris, a special technical Books Publisher/Store, many developers visit lot of times per year : la librairie Eyrolles and i'm no far from sure they would be OK, at Eyrolles, to do a test about this. What do you think about the idea, Frédéric R. ? The interest of such a test would be to see if there are, here in France, people who would'nt never purchase an unknowed product over the web but could be interested in testing RR because they can touch it and read about it along they are holding the packaged box in hand. The second question is directly adressed to you, Frederic R. : When i did my first steeps in discovering Hypercard, i got a special usefull help from a little book (less than 100 pages), you sure know about : the Dunod/PSI HyperTalk by Jean-Jacques GREIF (1992). Don't you think that it could be a good time to rewrite such an usefull syntax reference memento, focused on Transcript, this time. If interested, You, Kevin..., let me know, off-list. I would be OK to write it. -- Bests, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution,aaaaargh.
Ken Ray wrote: Sorry to intrude, but I DON'T speak French... I don't either, but Babelfish works wonders in translation... http://babelfish.altavista.com Whenever I see a non-English post, I just go there and I can understand what's being said (although I'd had to reply in Babelfish-created French! ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution OK, OK, I promise i will no more use to much French, nor German, nor Latin to speak in between us with our Swedish or Dutch Friends ;-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Marketing Rev in Other Worlds (was Re: Script Limits and solidIDE evolution!)
Robert Brenstein wrote: This discussion of the need for the RunRev folks to market not just the product but the underlying xtalk/xcard paradigm to the world of Windows in particular raises for me another issue that I think prevents the product from achieving the kind of brilliant Aha! success it richly deserves. I refer to the out-of-the-box experience. When I showed my wife HyperCard a few months before it was released, her reaction was, I get it. Get out of the way and let me play. Her response to Revolution when it opened was, What's this? Another programming thing? Professional programmers are going to be very slow to switch to Revolution or to any xThing for that matter. It's hard enough to get a programmer to change languages even when confronted with a demonstrably superior alternative (I know; I spent a few years trying to do that with Smalltalk). The real sweet spot market for Revolution, as it was for HyperCard and the other xCard products, is what I have long been referring to as the Inventive User (IU). IUs are people who: Good points. My reading on the recent changes and glimpes of planned changes is that Rev is indeed moving in that direction. However, so far, the strength of MetaCard were the professional developers (in a loose definition of those) and some of the changes along the way (for example, the forthcoming removal of dynamic script setting in standalones -- the original topic of this thread) may alienate at least some of them. What I am afraid of is that on the long term Rev will become just another Hypercard. For sure more powerful and with more features but not a tool competing seriously for commercial and semi-commercial development. Of course, it does not have to be that way and we can only hope the that Rev team ways their options carefully and do not focus solely on making a quick buck on short term. Robert Brenstein ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution To the end, if i have to add an Entreprise License fees to the price the end-user client will have to pay to get a fine deployement of the product he purchased me (aka: without any restrictions about the dynamic programming options), this will never be so expensive that it could compromise the business On the other hand, if this can help RunTime to get usefull incomes from his professional-grade developers, i think it will be good for all... Flaming reactions ? -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unable to switch to version 2.
Jan Schenkel wrote: --- taillade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Jan for your prompt answer I tried stepping many time through the scripts and it goes wrong at the following step put vgstack into vgStackactif -- where vgstack is the name of the stack to go do go stackvgstackactif When arriving to the line do go stack ... either it enter into an endless loop or it skips the line. it's possible that you set a custom property somewhere and it gets stuck in an endless loop that way (setProp behaviour was altered in version 2.0). I must say that I understand nothing to this problem of setProp behaviour. What should I do to test your hypothesis? Michel Taillade Bonjour Michel, Don't worry if you don't know what setProp is ; that means you're not using it and thus in all likelyhood it won't be the culprit :-) When you open the same stack from the Open stack... menu, do you get the same problem ? If so, try getting in by using : lock messages go stack Foobar unlock messages If you can get in without errors, use that opportunity to delve into its stack script, and see what happens on preOpenStack, openStack, preOpenCard and openCard (insert breakpoints there for debugging) If nothing is wrong with the stack script, do the same for the script of the first card of the stack. Hope this gets you closer to the error, Jan Schenkel. = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi Michel, Are you able to open the vgstack.rev as a main stack in Rev 2.xx ? If not, your are probably using MacOS X. Try, as a workaround, 1.- to save vgstack.rev as a mainstack if it is not, from within Rev 1.1.1. 2.- to launch Rev and to open vgstack.rev by dropping it over the Rev's application icon. This will open the stack and you will than be able to save it with save as menu. If this works and you need to set vgstack.rev as a substack again, just do it, yet under Rev 2.xx Hope this help. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tools palette
Steve Gehlbach wrote: Sarah wrote: Has anyone else had the problem of the Tools palette disappearing and not coming back? Sometimes, it just disappears. It is still ticked in the Tools menu and de-selecting/selecting it there does no good. Command-T doesn't help either - the only solution is to shut down Revolution and start it again. I can't work out what causes it to disappear, no pattern has emerged yet, so I can't really bugzilla it, but I would be interested to know if anyone else has encountered such a problem. I've seen it plenty. Seems more prevalent on Linux than Windows. I've learned to use the pull down menus. Also have trouble with the property inspector disappearing, but it comes back when you close the script editor, maybe that is by design. -Steve ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution I believe that, in using Rev 2.xx, under Linux, at least (no win32 box, there), it's by feature that the property inspector desappears each time the script editor is opened and reappears the script editor is closed. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Script Limits and solid IDE evolution!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Runrev should instead be publicising Revolution. And this means attending other than Mac-only events - unfortunate as it may be to Mac and Linux users, Win32 still massively dominates the desktop. The whole xCard/xTalk paradigm is virtually unknown to Win32 users/developers. This is where they need to market, and it is precisely the people in this market who need the opportunity to understand the xCard paradigm that the Starter Kit provided. Regards Bernard And it would be usefull to have the xCard/xTalk paradigm best knowed in the Linux sphere. Emediat Inc. (RadBuilder3) has build a partnership with Suse AG. I belive that it would be good to see RunRev do the same with both RedHat and Suse... -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Losing track of time
Howard Bornstein wrote: I've got a simple reminder program that takes a number (representing minutes) and plays a chime when that many minutes is up. The reminder script is: on reminder global SendID put fld TheTime into timer send reminder to me in timer*60 seconds put the result into sendID play chime2.wav end reminder The problem is that, for example, if I set the timer to chime every hour, I am losing about 5 seconds each time I cycle through. Originally, this was because I had the play chime2.wav command before the send reminder command. So it would play the chime, which takes several seconds, before resetting the time. But now I've switched the order to the above handler and I'm *still* getting this lost time per cycle. Is it possible that the play command somehow stops the internal timer of the send command? This seems highly unlikely but I can't think what else would be causing this delay, which pushes me further past the hour as the cycles continue. Any ideas? Regards, Howard Bornstein D E S I G N E Q www.designeq.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Try this : on idle global Lasttime if the seconds = (lasttime+3600) then add 3600 to Lasttime play chime2.wav end if end idle Set up the Lasttime starting value in using a button or so -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Blobs and PostgreSQL
Rodney Tamblyn wrote: Quick question (probably already covered somewhere on this list...) Can someone post a simple example illustrating adding a blob to a PostgreSQL database from RR? I have worked my way through the simple examples, but before launching into Revolution database scripting I thought it would be more efficient to see if this info is already available. If there are any good example stacks worth viewing pointers would also be appreciated Thanks! Rodney -- Rodney Tamblyn 44 Melville Street Dunedin New Zealand +64 3 4778606 http://rodney.weblogs.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi Rodney, Sorry ! I have'nt build any RR+PostgreSQL solutions for yet, nor used Blobs columns in my MC+PostgreSQL apps. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, aaaaargh.
Bonjour Franois, J'ai, moi-aussi, lu et apprci l'article de premire classe que tu as consacr Revolution 2.0.1. Ne te dcourage pas pour ces quelques retards tes demandes d'explications. Les listes Revolution et Metacard sont en pleine bulition, ces derniers temps et beaucoup de ceux qui, comme moi, auraient, habituellement, trouv le temps de te rpondre rapidement ne l'ont, simplement, pas fait parce que l'attention des listiers se focalise actuellement sur les consquences, heureusement, de plus en plus prvisibles et rassurantes, du rachat de Metacard par Revolution. Pour les questions prcises sur l'usage des caractres accentus dans les noms de fichiers, je ne sais pas rpondre et je le regrette mais interroge, de ma part, Scott Raney. Je sais qu'il saura prendre le temps de t'expliquer quoi faire et, aussi, pourquoi le faire, et qu'en d'autres termes, il saura te rassurer sur le srieux du Team RR/MC en matire de support aux utilisateurs. Je n'ai jamais eu, pour ma part, attendre plus de six heures, une demande d'information directement adresse au support utilisateur de Metacard. Revolution traverse actuellement une petite crise de croissance mais je peux t'assurer, connaissant les travaux, l'exprience et la notorit xtalkienne de la plupart des quipiers du team RunTime Revolution, Kevin, Scott, Tuviah, Jeanne,...et de leurs proches partenaires, tels, parmi d'autres, Richard Gaskin, Chipp Walters ou Jacqueline Landman Gay, que le nombre de neurones au centimtre-carr tend croitre considrablement ds que l'on s'approche de prs de la communaut des dveloppeurs RR/MC. Prends le temps de t'habituer aux codes, l'tiquette, qui prside aux changes sur la liste RR/MC. In fine, une seule loi gouverne, entre nous, toutes les autres : plus tu aides les autres par des rponses utiles et cibles et plus les autres se montreront prompts rpondre tes propres demandes..., tout cel n'tant rien de moins que la marque de l'lgances et du respect mutuel qui prside aux relations qui se tissent, au fil du temps, entre les colistiers, toujours heureux de pouvoir proposer et changer les solutions qui nous permettent de coder mieux et plus vite les solutions les plus adquates. Considre toi comme l'un de ces joueurs d'checs tout fraichement dbarqu dans un club o tout le monde serait class au-del de 2000 ELO, toi, y compris, mais o personne ne te connaitrait encore. Prends le temps, y compris, d'acqurir une licence de base de Revolution pour le tester srieusement (je me souviens n'avoir rien su faire d'interessant avec le starter-kit, avant de prendre ma premire licence) et je prends le pari que tu me remercieras, avant longtemps :-) Bien chaleureusement, Pierre Le Vendredi, 8 ao 2003, 12:15 Europe/Zurich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a crit : Message: 7 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:24:51 +0200 Subject: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, argh. From: Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Cuneo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everybody, I'm sorry, but I have asked a lot of questions this last days and I have no answer (just one from Yves) about something that maybe prohibs me to use Revolution. Why? Because I think that's it is impossible to use what all people who speaks French does: use our char in File's names! If you save a file like Save this stack as Rvolution.rev I obtain the first time that seems to be e good file. But When I open and I save again the file I obtain Rvolution.rev~ that prohibs Revolution to save correctly the stack. So I have asked how to correct that. The answser from Yves (save as Whatever.rev and rename it to Rvolution.rev works only if I don't open the stack another time in the same session (the files stays im memory, so it's impossible to open it again) I have asked about UTF8 conversion of the files names (I'm sure that here is the problem, I had exactly the same with RealBasic, and it was corrected with a conversion) but I had no answer. I have asked about how to purge a stack, no answer. So I think that I don't have a solution, and for me (and for all people that use diacritical char), that is a basic necessity. And I'm sorry but I think that Revolution is not for me. The problem, that I have writed a review about Revolution (some thousands have read it) and I say that Revolution is THE solution for all people that have used languages like Hypertalk and maybe for all that whant to begin to write applications. The review is here (http://www.cuk.ch/articles/tests) I think that I have to change something in my review. So maybe it is one of my last messages on this list. For me, it's terrible but it's like that. Friendly Franois -- Franois Cuneo Site Web ddi au Macintosh http://www.cuk.ch E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage comptitif
Re: Revolution speed sucks?
Dar Scott wrote: On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 08:17 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: About console-mode apps : Rev and MC are exactly similar about the high speed (lots faster than Java-based apps) they are able to handle in running console-mode deamon apps. I'd like to learn more of these. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi Dear, Because the answers have to do with the OS the deamon apps are running on, what are the platform's operating systems your are developing for (MacOSX, Win32, Linux,...) ? -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] searchable use-revolution list archives
Vikram Singh wrote: The presentation is cool indeed. Especially, the links popping up rather than navigating to the record, allowing you skim more efficiently. Vikram - Original Message - From: Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:44 PM Subject: [ANN] searchable use-revolution list archives I frequently use google to search this list's archives, but unfortunately the google index usually lags a month or so. Here is a new web search of the use-revolution list archives: http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi It's a fast, full text search, and the index now is up to date, and new messages should appear within a few hours. (I'm not 100% sure about how quickly new messages will appear-- will just have to see how well the indexing script works in practice) Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thanks a lot Alex, How did you install/develop this ? Great and usefull :-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] searchable use-revolution list archives
Alex Rice wrote: On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 07:33 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Thanks a lot Alex, How did you install/develop this ? Great and usefull :-) I'm glad so many positive responses. BTW so far it has not indexed any new messages, so I'm going to investigate it's page-expiration + reindexing feature. It uses the Mnogosearch software, a link is on the bottom of the search page. I will have an eye on this ;-) The backend database is MySQL 3.23. The OS is Linux 2.4, Apache 2, dual x 3Ghz processors, 2 GB RAM, connected via gigabit ethernet to major Internet backbones at Hurricane Electric he.net in Fremont CA. Wow ! What a config and a provider !!! Is that (monthly) really as expensive as i expect (in France, we have to pay around US $ 200 per megabit). Although it is a CGI, it's a small C program, so it starts fast. Mnogosearch is using http to periodically spider the content at http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/ OK. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: database questions
John R. Brauer wrote: Hello all, I am a newbie. I am working on a project which will require that I store data in a database (a separate record for each client, and about six hundred fields per record). Each time it is used, it will need to generate a new record for that client (it is a program that will administer and score an exam of sorts) My questions: a) which database would you suggest (I guess that Oracle, MySQL and Valentina are my options)? b) is there an internal way of doing this instead of one of the above databases? c) will the standalone app then incorporate the database functions, or will the enduser be required to have the database in question installed on their computer as well? Thank you much... Sincerely, John R. Brauer, Psy.D. Clinical Psychologist Previously answered, if i right remember... IBTW : No any problem about the six hundred fields per record, if you use PostgreSQL. Don't know about the other db. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Copying a group
Ken Ray wrote: Well, my feeling is that if doing something manually produces a different result than doing something programmatically, that (IMHO) it's a bug. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 12:08 AM To: Revolution Mailing List Subject: Copying a group Before I bugzilla this, I want to know if others think it really is a bug, or if it should be considered normal behavior. I can't decide. I have a group that consists of several fields. The group has backgroundBehavior set to true. Each card has different text in the fields of the group. The current card of the stack is, say, three. In another stack, I issue the command: copy group myGroup of stack Main to this cd I expect to see the contents of card three when the group is copied. Instead I see the contents of card one. The work-around is to go to the Main stack, copy the group, go back to the second stack, and paste. Then I do get the contents of card three. The results of the copy command kind of make sense, since I didn't specify what card I wanted, and so I got the first card by default. However, the command: copy group myGroup of cd 3 of stack Main to this cd doesn't work either, I still get the contents of card one. Is it a bug or is it normal? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use- revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi There, It's probably running in this way : The group mygroup (set with backgroundbehavior to true, for all over the stack) don't lies on card 3 but on card 1 and is shared with each cards of the stack -- the MC engine find an kind of object pointer, aka an alias, for group mygroup of cd 3 and take and copy the original needed object for where it lies in the stack : on card one... If yes, it's not a bug but a feature and the work-around is to copy, in two times, the group object first and, the contents of what appears in this group object on card 3. Hope this help ;-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A call for calm and a tip of the hat to the Rev team..thanks!
On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 06:11, Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: I'd like to come to Rev's defense here and remind some of our more impatient new users that this is still the 'early days' of the Revolution company. There are only a handful of very overworked folks doing a very wonderful thing- giving us a tool that is not only VERY innovative and useful, but one that is constantly being updated and improved. (I've been waiting for YEARS for something to replace HC). Perhaps the documentation is not as complete as you would like, but just try and envision some megalith such as Microsloth or Adobe building a product like this (they wouldn't even try - and if they did, it would cost a lot more). Those kind of companies may make slick manuals, but they don't offer products that are updated and improved nearly as often as what you see here. And those companies have HUNDREDS of employees. And try to get bug fixes from Adobe. Ha! CAN YOU IMAGINE what it takes to write an app that generates code for all the platforms?? It's never been done satisfactorily before... until now. Perhaps someday one of the team will write the story...when they have time. Also remember that this application allows more access to more things on your computer than the applications those companies allow you to get access to. With that power, there are certainly more things to go wrong. Multiply that by the number of platforms... you get the idea.. Rev is an app that makes it a lot easier to write code, but you still gotta work for it - programming is still something done by folks that are a little more than just usersso some thinking and reasoning is required. So I'd advise patience, my friend. You've got a great support group right here - something we didn't have for Hypercard in 1987. Before you start spewing, ask a couple of questions first sqb ...and i want to add that RR is still the finest XTalk available today. We need to help the Revolution Team to know how much we are felling lucky to have them providing us this great development environment. Bests to all and thanks again to all of the ones whose are, day after day, hard working to do Rev more and more suitable to our development needs. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Database newbie questions
John R. Brauer wrote: Hello all, I am a newbie. I am working on a project which will require that I store data in a database (a separate record for each client, and about six hundred fields per record). Each time it is used, it will need to generate a new record for that client (it is a program that will administer and score an exam of sorts) My questions: a) which database would you suggest (I guess that Oracle, MySQL and Valentina are my options)? b) is there an internal way of doing this instead of one of the above databases? c) will the standalone app then incorporate the database functions, or will the enduser be required to have the database in question installed on their computer as well? Sorry if this duplicates, I inadvertently used a wrong email address the first time, adn do not know if it will get through the moderator that way. Thank you much... Sincerely, John R. Brauer, Psy.D. Clinical Psychologist Hi, In about concurrency and write-mode accesses, PostgreSQL 7.xx (ACID compliant) and MySQL 4.xx are two of the best unexpensive db-engines you can use behind RR (use the Rev-DB library to connect them). P.S.: MySQL 5.xx will be a great issue and the first full ACID compliant ever done by MySQL AG, including most of the SAPDB engine features... -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Very easy to build a web database
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 04:11, Takaaki Furukawa wrote: I built a simple card-based online database with RunRev CGI. I put a tutorial and it explains how easy it is to read/make changes to stacks from the web. http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~tfurukaw/RunRev/dbindex.html It could have taken weeks if I used PHP, PostgreSQL and Perl... I finished it in simple HyperTalk-like scripts within a day(!!). - Takaaaki Furukawa ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi Takaaaki, Really Cool : the Rev's lightweight web database system you did is really impressive (and faster than the HC-based LiveCard one never went) :-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is RR suited for this project ?
- PDF anti-copy/piracy tools ? 03.2 Licence / registration key / registration attempts tracking tools ? The RR entreprise edition is best suitable for such kind of project (stand-alone runtime are royalty-free distribuables. 04. Which Windows compatible graphic, audio and video formats ( supplied by manufacturers ) can be converted to Quicktime compatible format(s) ? 05. What is meant by a double-clickable application ? It's an executable app, witch embed both the developed app and the needed runtime engine witch powers it, inside an unique file. 06. Tool for applying a watermark on graphics and videos. Can be automated for a graphic / video collection ? 07. Statistics on Windows Mac platform in use + which versions of each ? See the mailing-list archive about this. 08. Any other important question(s) or considerations I forgot to mention ? Don't think !!! 09. Any other important selection criteria I forgot to mention ? Again !!! Thanks for your kind advice, Alain ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hope this help, -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: database bug in 2.0.2
Chris Sheffield a écrit : I'm having a problem and am just wondering if anyone else is experiencing anything similar. I have a Valentina database that is storing some media content stored in BLOB fields (pictures, sounds, animations, etc.). I am using the revDatabaseColumnNamed function to retrieve this data and save it to a tempory binary file. Anyway, all this works perfectly in version 2.0.1 of Rev. When I updated to 2.0.2, suddenly this function stopped working, but only on files that contain audio data. The pictures can still be retrieved just fine. Like I said, the same exact code runs perfectly in 2.0.1. So something changed between the two versions. Does anyone have any ideas, or should I just go ahead and report it as a bug? = Chris Sheffield Read Naturally www.readnaturally.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi, This seems to be on the desk and Tuviah is working on the needed rev's 2.0?2 patch. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Limited number of DB records returned with 2.02
Le mercredi, 30 jul 2003, à 10:58 Europe/Paris, Tuviah Snyder a écrit : With MySQL and Rev 2.0.2, revDatabaseColumnNamed and revDatabaseColumnNumbered both work fine. No reason to worry. I simply need to update RevDB with the new licensing..it still thinks you need a pro version with a special passcode to get unlimited acess to mysql, odbc, valentina, and postgresql databases. I applaud RunRev for giving users access to these databases at other levels, and ecnouraging Rev developers to write database-centric apps. Hi Tuviah, Thanks for explaining what about this. It make me more confident ;-) I will do so (RR+PostgreSQL, RR+OpenBase) as soon as RevDB will be updated ! Bests, Pierre Tuviah Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited - Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Applications WEB et ERP personnalisés Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Limited number of DB records returned with 2.02
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 23:36, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 7/29/03 3:13 PM, Joël Guillod wrote: I just installed 2.0.2 and entered my Commercial Enterprise license. I open up my app I've been working on and the DB has a 20 item limit on it. I have a query which returns 416 records but revdb_iseof returns true on record 20. Anyone else seeing this? Are you using Valentina? I'm not sure if this is your problem, but Valentina is a separate product that has its own restrictions. Revolution ships with the demo version which allows only limited operation. If you want full operation, you must purchase a Valentina license. Hi anyone there, Some ones running RR+PostgreSQL production-state solutions, there ? If yes, please let me know. Thanks a lot, -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Limited number of DB records returned with 2.02
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 02:14, Alex Rice wrote: On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 04:53 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Hi anyone there, Some ones running RR+PostgreSQL production-state solutions, there ? If yes, please let me know. Not me, but I do have PostgreSQL if you need someone to test something. Thanks Alex for the purposal. I will try to get time to set up RR + the native PG driver + Postgres 7.3.3 ASAP. Bests, Pierre Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev and substacks
On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 14:12, Klaus Major wrote: Bonjour Pierre, Guten Tag, Klaus, Hi List, Is it a better way to implement substacks inside a Revolution 2.0.1 project to have them opening as fast as they are opening in the Metacard 2.5 environnement ? Do you mean speed? Yes. In that case i think no... If i remember right only the mainstack of a file (which may have 0 to several substacks in that namely file) will be loaded completely into memory. All other (sub-)stacks are loaded from the hd only when needed. So i think it won't make a difference since substacks are loaded from the hd just like separate stacks... Oh ! I understand my possible mistake... I will try to rebuild my test app in saving each substack as a separate stack and letting each stay in ram along the complete session. If this is the right answer to my open stacks speed problem, i will then be realy happy to become able to use RR in production-grade web/erp apps development. (Correct me if i'm wrong ;-) Thanks, A votre service :-) Hope that helps. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif Au revoir... Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thanks a lot, und bis bald, Klaus. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Re: Rev and substacks
On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 19:07, Edwin Gore wrote:
You are correct though. When you open a stack with substacks all of them are loaded
completely into memory.
So, it's not really a good news in regard of the speed problem about
opening substacks from thr Rev2 IDE.
Can some one there, please, explain why this take just some ticks from
within the MC IDE (2.32 to 2.5) and seconds (some times up to 10) from
within the Rev 2.0.1 IDE.
As this development is dedicated to be used as an ERP front-end app, the
running speed of its end-user GUI is essential.
I know the general guidle-line about how to speed-up Metatalk code and
Metacard apps but nothing about how to speed-up specific Transcript code
and Rev apps.
What would i have to learn to get good results in about this under
Revolution ?
Richard ?
Thanks for the help.
P.S. : platforms : Jaguar 10.2.6/IBook G3 800 640 Mo RAM, Suse 8
Pro/Sony Laptop Athlon XP 1.7 Ghz 512 Mo Ram
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Re: Rev and substacks
On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 16:52, Alex Rice wrote: On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 08:38 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: So, it's not really a good news in regard of the speed problem about opening substacks from thr Rev2 IDE. Can some one there, please, explain why this take just some ticks from within the MC IDE (2.32 to 2.5) and seconds (some times up to 10) from within the Rev 2.0.1 IDE. My project has 17 substacks and it opens up in 2 seconds, in the Rev IDE. (on a 466 MHz Mac). Seems very fast to me. Why don't you post what's in your startup, openStack, preOpenStack, openCard and preOpenCard handlers. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi Alex, Thanks for the suggest : Here is the main stack stack's script : on navswitcher global SelectedPick if the shiftkey is down then edit script of me else go cd SelectedPick set the label of btn Navigation to SelectedPick set the menuhistory of btn Navigation to lineoffset(SelectedPick,btn Navigation) end navswitcher on editmainstackscript edit script of me end editmainstackscript on openstack go cd 1 if the short name of me is not evoecoles then set the menuhistory of btn NavigationX1 to 1 set the menuhistory of btn NavigationX2 to 1 else if there is a button Navigation then set the menuhistory of btn Navigation to 1 end openstack on quitter if the shiftkey is down then edit script of me else answer Souhaitez-vous vraiment quitter quote Evolution-Collèges quote ? with Annuler or Quitter if it is Quitter then wait 1 quit end if end if end quitter And here the substacks stack's script (11 substacks with the same stack's script code) : on openCard send mouseup to btn rafraichir end openCard And here the rafraichir button script : on mouseUp if the shiftkey is down then edit script of me else lock screen set the height of grp tableau1 to 548 set the width of grp tableau1 to 700 set the top of grp tableau1 to 40 set the left of grp tableau1 to 8 end if end mouseUp Comment : the tableau1 grp is hosting input fields, ordered as a kind of spreadsheets calc. Thanks for your advice. -- Best Regards, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Re: Rev and substacks
On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 17:08, Rob Cozens wrote: Richard ? Richard is probably the best person to answer this outside of Scott Raney or someone from RunRev.(oops!, I guess Scott is someone from RunRev now). Richard copied me on a private eMail a week or so ago comparing the number of frontScripts, backScripts, and libraries used by MC vs the number used by RunRev. There may be something going on there. BTW, are you finding the speed difference in the development environment, the runtime environment, or both, Pierre? In the development environment, at least, as long as i did'nt test the runtime environment for yet. -- Bests, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Rev killing the Mac platform?
Hi Chipp, Using for my own Suse-Linux servers in production mode and OSX laptops in test mode, it seems me that an OSX server deployment is probably cheaper than the Linux ones. Suse = two new distro peer year (aka about US $ 180) and a fine tunning need of the server by a security engineer (aka US $ 1500). OSX = one distro peer year (aka about US $ 130) and a simple tunning need of the server by my own (aka US $ 0). On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 07:07, Chipp Walters wrote: I'm with miscdas on this one...besides, the cost evens out with Mac users having to pay the *luxury tax* (cost of equipment and OS upgrades each year;-). Though I agree that Macs, with under 2.5% marketshare (http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-1027370.html?tag=nl), are a much smaller target for viruses than Windows. -Chipp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Rev killing the Mac platform? Richard Gaskin writes: Alex Rice wrote: Personally I would rather pay an extra $75 than to move over to Windows for my main development platform. If you move your email to Windows as well you'll pay far more than $75 dealing with viruses. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site ___ = Wow Richard, that is s definitive sounding almost urban legend-like statement! However, as a Windows user for all but the first year it came out, I have not spent dollar one in either avoiding viruses or by problems caused by viruses on any of my Windows systems! miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Corrupted stack
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 17:06, Jim Hurley wrote: __-- Message: 9 Subject: Re: Corrupted stack From: Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Date: 22 Jul 2003 23:43:05 +0200 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:12, Jim Hurley wrote: Ouch! I lost a stack while working in 2.0 The stack still appears on my hard drive and is 572 K in size. So there is something there. I tried to open it in RR 1.1.1 and I got a message Stack corrupted; check for ~ backup. I searched my drive for a tilde file and found nothing. I'm afraid I've been spoiled by RR's reliability and took no precautions. Any ideas on recovery? Depressed, Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Try to see if a temporary backup issue of the corrupted stack is still available on the hard disk. If yes, save a copy of this stack and try to reopen it, directly. Test the revert command too of the corrupted stack. Both this methods have only chance to work if you did'nt quit the RR session along witch the stack has been saved in its actual corrupted state. If this don't work, try to restore the stack in searching among the temporary files you can see on your hard drive in using tools like Norton Utilites. Hope this can help. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif Pierre, Thanks for the tips. I'll see what Norton can do for me. I am pessimistic however. I did something profoundly stupid. (I am a recovering Catholic; hence this need for confession.) I lost the stack in question while I was working on it. It just disappeared from the screen. If this occurs again, try always (from the message box) set the visible of window #stack xxx to true before any thing else. I tried to reopen it from the open menu but Rev assumed it was already active. So I decided to shut down and start over. And, is my habit when closing RR, I *saved* all running stacks, thus, apparently saving the corruption. I suspect, therefore, that any files I find will also be corrupted. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev and substacks
Hi List, Is it a better way to implement substacks inside a Revolution 2.0.1 project to have them opening as fast as they are opening in the Metacard 2.5 environnement ? Thanks, -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: testing on Linux
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 19:24, Alex Rice wrote: I don't know how many of you develop or deploy your apps on Linux, but if you don't have a Linux machine, there is an easy solution you can use to test your apps. http://www.knoppix.org/ Knoppix is a Linux distribution that boots from a CD. It's very advanced and up to date. It auto-detects hardware correctly even on weird laptop systems. You can download the ISO image for free and burn it, or mail-order a CD. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi Alex, List, Agreed ! Knoppix is a great way to go to test Linux. I use for my own Suse issues to run my x86 prod servers (fast install, clean management of the dependencies, clean remote admin via OpenSSH, fine firewall tools, very active mailing lists in about security and oracle tasks under Suse (my prefered issues : the 8.0 pro and 8.2 pro, 8.1 Pro is not as good). On the PPC platform, the Suse 7.3 is much as a little old and i use yet the YellowDog 3.0, witch works perfectly out of the box, even on the ATI Readon 7500 32 Mo based IBook 2.2. Hope this help. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Corrupted stack
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:12, Jim Hurley wrote: Ouch! I lost a stack while working in 2.0 The stack still appears on my hard drive and is 572 K in size. So there is something there. I tried to open it in RR 1.1.1 and I got a message Stack corrupted; check for ~ backup. I searched my drive for a tilde file and found nothing. I'm afraid I've been spoiled by RR's reliability and took no precautions. Any ideas on recovery? Depressed, Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Try to see if a temporary backup issue of the corrupted stack is still available on the hard disk. If yes, save a copy of this stack and try to reopen it, directly. Test the revert command too of the corrupted stack. Both this methods have only chance to work if you did'nt quit the RR session along witch the stack has been saved in its actual corrupted state. If this don't work, try to restore the stack in searching among the temporary files you can see on your hard drive in using tools like Norton Utilites. Hope this can help. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About MC/RR applications servers
Hello Bernard, On Sun, 2003-07-13 at 03:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pierre, Thanks for answering my other questions. Just one more question, based on your answer to Alex. I had a quick look in the Metcard archives and found this snippet: put into DbAuteurs get shell(echo quote select distinct auteur__ from citations order by auteur__ quote | psql -h localhost citalis) repeat for each line l in line 3 to -3 of it put word 1 to -1 of l return after DbAuteurs end repeat This is more or less how I imagined you were shelling out to the psql interpreter. Am I correct in thinking this is how you are invoking postgresql? You are right. I can understand Alex's disbelief in this regard. I share his understanding of how things are supposed to work using the combination the PHP Apache module, and persistent connections. I use PHP as an Apache module too, but only as sockets listener and proxying app between Apache and Metacard. If i use, for yet, a shell() command to bind MC to Postgres, i will, for sure, goes to the native RR middleware or ODBC driver, after upgrading to RR 2, as soon as possible... One of my apps is running on Linux and querying Firebird via ODBC. All the queries have configurable debug parameters, so I can actually change the parameter to time each step of the process. So I can isolate how long that app takes to connect and return a result set. I will see if I can find some details on running Rev 2.01 as a command line application, and I will try to find some time next week to compare the speed of the two methods. Thanks for letting us know about the results :-) Bernard Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13/07/2003 01:40 Please respond to use-revolution To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: About MC/RR applications servers On Sun, 2003-07-13 at 01:19, Alex Rice wrote: On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 04:56 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Just do tests and you will see as me that this works perfectly, faster for example, than in using ASP's or PHP commands, because the linux bash optimisations, because the psql perfect design to work in command-line pipe mode This doesn't make any sense to me. I would like to see the shell command you are using. Hum... It's, even for you, freely, available on the Metacard archive list. You're saying what you are doing is faster than PHP direct to PostgreSQL? PHP direct to PosgreSQL can have a persistent connection already open, and PHP (as apache module) is running already in memory?! Your way: have to open a socket from PHP, launch the shell, then launch the psql command line program, which THEN finally connects to the database. Did you learn a little (aka lots) about WebSphere Weblogic or WebObjects before. Have you any idea about how applications servers works... It absolutely impossible that your way could be faster. Perhaps are you too sure of you about how unixes are handeling multiples processes tasks. Did you ever watch at the processor idle average time of a linux box ? To the end, you are not alone to think so... even if my clients are, probably, not only too rich and stupid persons... Again, why are you even using Revolution instead of just going from PHP to PostgreSQL? Call me confused, Did you ever ask you about the difference it makes to use real application server instead of just including sql replies in web forms ? Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
