Re: How to source jobs/talent was RE: Tomcat Consultant
On 19/11/2010 12:41, Jason Pyeron wrote: > I did notice that the FAQ (http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/FAQ) does not mention > how to request consulting services or post jobs. It is a wiki. Anyone can edit it... Also: Find help on http://tomcat.apache.org/ leads to http://tomcat.apache.org/findhelp.html which has a link to http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SupportAndTraining which feels about right to me in terms of prominence. I'd rather see folks come to the mailing list in the first instance. > I have always liked the way Bugzilla organizes their site, so any user looking > for the mailing list (http://www.bugzilla.org/support/) also found the link to > the consulting registry (http://www.bugzilla.org/support/consulting.html). Which doesn't seem like a million miles away from how the Tomcat pages are organised. As always, patches for improvements welcome (or if it is the wiki, just edit it). Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: How to source jobs/talent was RE: Tomcat Consultant
> -Original Message- > From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 2:37 > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: How to source jobs/talent was RE: Tomcat Consultant > > Jason Pyeron wrote: > ... > > > > Disclaimer: We perform many types J2EE consulting. > > > proofreading ? It should have read: Disclaimer: We perform many types of J2EE consulting. Touché. One should not write emails while eating dinner. But I think the message was clearly constructive. I did notice that the FAQ (http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/FAQ) does not mention how to request consulting services or post jobs. But there is a page (http://www.apache.org/info/support.cgi) dedicated to commercial support of Apache products. I have always liked the way Bugzilla organizes their site, so any user looking for the mailing list (http://www.bugzilla.org/support/) also found the link to the consulting registry (http://www.bugzilla.org/support/consulting.html). -Jason -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Jason Pyeron PD Inc. http://www.pdinc.us - - Principal Consultant 10 West 24th Street #100- - +1 (443) 269-1555 x333Baltimore, Maryland 21218 - - - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This message is copyright PD Inc, subject to license 20080407P00. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: How to source jobs/talent was RE: Tomcat Consultant
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RE: Tomcat Consultant
Good Morning from Europe! It is a common disclaimer email message. Translated to English: This message is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, we kindly ask you to notify the sender. Any unauthorized distribution or copying of this is prohibited. This message is for informational purposes only and will have not any legal binding effect. Because email can be easily subject to manipulation, we can't accept no liability for content supplied. Anyway, by now it has disappeared from Mulesoft's page. Maybe someone mistakenly pressed the wrong key while updating their web site. And of course, is nothing related with Tomcat Good Night America! Best, Antonio Vidal. -Mensaje original- De: Rhino [mailto:rhi...@sympatico.ca] Enviado el: viernes, 19 de noviembre de 2010 6:35 Para: Tomcat Users List Asunto: Re: Tomcat Consultant There are two languages in the cited message, German and French. I'm positive about that. I'm not great in either language and certainly don't know all of the words but I think the French message is just a translation of the German message which appears to be a standard confidentiality clause of the kind found in many emails. You know the kind: "This information is confidential and is only intended for whoever. If you receive it in error, do such-and-such". I'm not clear about the context of this message but if you're thinking it's a Tomcat question, I'm pretty sure it's not. -- Rhino On 2010-11-19 00:20, Asangansi wrote: > Lets wait and watch guys. > > > skype: asangansi.ini > +47 48295638 > > > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Pid wrote: > >> On 18/11/2010 21:52, Martin Gainty wrote: >>> can we get someone from the vatican to translate? >> I think there's a couple of Cardinals lurking on the list, but you might >> have to wait until it's working hours in Europe again. >> >> >> p >> >>> Martin Gainty >>> __ >>> Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité >>> >>> Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene >> Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte >> Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht >> dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine >> rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von >> E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen. >>> Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas >> le destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire >> informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la copie >> de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement et n'aura >> pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné que les email >> peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter >> aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:08:37 + >>>> From: ma...@apache.org >>>> To: users@tomcat.apache.org >>>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >>>> >>>> On 18/11/2010 21:04, Leo Donahue - PLANDEVX wrote: >>>>> Um, can anyone translate this? Am I really seeing that? >>>>> http://training.mulesoft.com/about/index.html >>>> It looks like Latin to me. Google translate will take a stab at it on >>>> that basis. >>>> >>>> Best guess, someone at Mulesoft's idea of a joke (not sure where the >>>> humour is) or their website has been hacked. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >>>> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
There are two languages in the cited message, German and French. I'm positive about that. I'm not great in either language and certainly don't know all of the words but I think the French message is just a translation of the German message which appears to be a standard confidentiality clause of the kind found in many emails. You know the kind: "This information is confidential and is only intended for whoever. If you receive it in error, do such-and-such". I'm not clear about the context of this message but if you're thinking it's a Tomcat question, I'm pretty sure it's not. -- Rhino On 2010-11-19 00:20, Asangansi wrote: Lets wait and watch guys. skype: asangansi.ini +47 48295638 On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Pid wrote: On 18/11/2010 21:52, Martin Gainty wrote: can we get someone from the vatican to translate? I think there's a couple of Cardinals lurking on the list, but you might have to wait until it's working hours in Europe again. p Martin Gainty __ Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen. Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la copie de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement et n'aura pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné que les email peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:08:37 + From: ma...@apache.org To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant On 18/11/2010 21:04, Leo Donahue - PLANDEVX wrote: Um, can anyone translate this? Am I really seeing that? http://training.mulesoft.com/about/index.html It looks like Latin to me. Google translate will take a stab at it on that basis. Best guess, someone at Mulesoft's idea of a joke (not sure where the humour is) or their website has been hacked. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
Lets wait and watch guys. skype: asangansi.ini +47 48295638 On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Pid wrote: > On 18/11/2010 21:52, Martin Gainty wrote: > > > > can we get someone from the vatican to translate? > > I think there's a couple of Cardinals lurking on the list, but you might > have to wait until it's working hours in Europe again. > > > p > > > Martin Gainty > > __ > > Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité > > > > Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene > Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte > Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht > dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine > rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von > E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen. > > Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas > le destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire > informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la copie > de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement et n'aura > pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné que les email > peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter > aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:08:37 + > >> From: ma...@apache.org > >> To: users@tomcat.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > >> > >> On 18/11/2010 21:04, Leo Donahue - PLANDEVX wrote: > >>> Um, can anyone translate this? Am I really seeing that? > >>> http://training.mulesoft.com/about/index.html > >> > >> It looks like Latin to me. Google translate will take a stab at it on > >> that basis. > >> > >> Best guess, someone at Mulesoft's idea of a joke (not sure where the > >> humour is) or their website has been hacked. > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > >> > > > >
How to source jobs/talent was RE: Tomcat Consultant
There are going to be a lot of nit picks in this message. > -Original Message- > From: tdelesio [mailto:tdele...@gmail.com] Use a company email, this just looks unprofessional. I would never reply to it to negotiate a contract or ask for a job. > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 13:25 > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > Subject: Tomcat Consultant > > > My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over Again don't be anonymous. > a J2EE web app over from Web Sphere application server to What WS specific APIs are used in the application? > Tomcat and we are looking for a consultant to setup a crusted Proof read your postings. > production instance of tomcat. Does anyone have any What area of the world? What size is the project? Timeframe? > recommendations for a top notch consulting firm that could > provide these services? Did you do a google search for tomcat consultants? -Jason Pyeron Disclaimer: We perform many types J2EE consulting. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Jason Pyeron PD Inc. http://www.pdinc.us - - Principal Consultant 10 West 24th Street #100- - +1 (443) 269-1555 x333Baltimore, Maryland 21218 - - - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This message is copyright PD Inc, subject to license 20080407P00. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
On 18/11/2010 21:52, Martin Gainty wrote: > > can we get someone from the vatican to translate? I think there's a couple of Cardinals lurking on the list, but you might have to wait until it's working hours in Europe again. p > Martin Gainty > __ > Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité > > Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene Empfaenger > sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte Weiterleitung > oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht dient lediglich > dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine rechtliche > Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von E-Mails koennen > wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen. > Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas le > destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire informez > l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la copie de ceci > est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement et n'aura pas > n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné que les email > peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter > aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:08:37 + >> From: ma...@apache.org >> To: users@tomcat.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >> >> On 18/11/2010 21:04, Leo Donahue - PLANDEVX wrote: >>> Um, can anyone translate this? Am I really seeing that? >>> http://training.mulesoft.com/about/index.html >> >> It looks like Latin to me. Google translate will take a stab at it on >> that basis. >> >> Best guess, someone at Mulesoft's idea of a joke (not sure where the >> humour is) or their website has been hacked. >> >> Mark >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >> > 0x62590808.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Tomcat Consultant
That's an Opus Dei owned company, I fear. Unless you are seeking for the anti-matter thing, you should rather than stay away of it. 2010/11/18 Martin Gainty > > can we get someone from the vatican to translate? > > Martin Gainty > __ > Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat Consultant
can we get someone from the vatican to translate? Martin Gainty __ Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen. Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la copie de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement et n'aura pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné que les email peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:08:37 + > From: ma...@apache.org > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > On 18/11/2010 21:04, Leo Donahue - PLANDEVX wrote: > > Um, can anyone translate this? Am I really seeing that? > > http://training.mulesoft.com/about/index.html > > It looks like Latin to me. Google translate will take a stab at it on > that basis. > > Best guess, someone at Mulesoft's idea of a joke (not sure where the > humour is) or their website has been hacked. > > Mark > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >
Re: Tomcat Consultant
Mark Thomas wrote: On 18/11/2010 21:11, Eric Hawkes wrote: Hi, It is not Latin or a joke or the results of hacking. The text is lorem ipsum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum The guess about it being a web page template was probably closest. Ah, that makes more sense. Odd that it is showing that though. One assumes there was some real text there at some point. Maybe a site redesign in progress. I would hope so for them, because at least with Firefox, it does not get better when you try the tabs. A bit confusing to say the least. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
On 18/11/2010 21:11, Eric Hawkes wrote: > Hi, > > It is not Latin or a joke or the results of hacking. > The text is lorem ipsum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum > > The guess about it being a web page template was probably closest. Ah, that makes more sense. Odd that it is showing that though. One assumes there was some real text there at some point. Maybe a site redesign in progress. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat Consultant
Hi, It is not Latin or a joke or the results of hacking. The text is lorem ipsum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum The guess about it being a web page template was probably closest. Thanks, Eric -Original Message- From: Mark Thomas [mailto:ma...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:09 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant On 18/11/2010 21:04, Leo Donahue - PLANDEVX wrote: > Um, can anyone translate this? Am I really seeing that? > http://training.mulesoft.com/about/index.html It looks like Latin to me. Google translate will take a stab at it on that basis. Best guess, someone at Mulesoft's idea of a joke (not sure where the humour is) or their website has been hacked. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
On 18/11/2010 21:04, Leo Donahue - PLANDEVX wrote: > Um, can anyone translate this? Am I really seeing that? > http://training.mulesoft.com/about/index.html It looks like Latin to me. Google translate will take a stab at it on that basis. Best guess, someone at Mulesoft's idea of a joke (not sure where the humour is) or their website has been hacked. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
It looks like a web page template to me. skype: asangansi.ini +47 48295638 On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Leo Donahue - PLANDEVX < leodona...@mail.maricopa.gov> wrote: > >-Original Message- > >From: Pid [mailto:p...@pidster.com] > >Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > > >On 18/11/2010 19:35, Pid wrote: > >> On 24/09/2010 18:25, tdelesio wrote: > >>> > >>> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE > >>> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are > >>> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of > >>> tomcat. Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch > >>> consulting firm that could provide these services? > >>> > >> > >> http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SupportAndTraining > > > > > >Doh. Doh and double doh. > > > > > >p > > Um, can anyone translate this? Am I really seeing that? > http://training.mulesoft.com/about/index.html > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > >
Re: Tomcat Consultant
On 18/11/2010 21:04, Leo Donahue - PLANDEVX wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Pid [mailto:p...@pidster.com] >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >> >> On 18/11/2010 19:35, Pid wrote: >>> On 24/09/2010 18:25, tdelesio wrote: >>>> >>>> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE >>>> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are >>>> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of >>>> tomcat. Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch >>>> consulting firm that could provide these services? >>>> >>> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SupportAndTraining >> >> >> Doh. Doh and double doh. >> >> >> p > > Um, can anyone translate this? Am I really seeing that? I replied to an old message. My mail client showed the first in the thread & didn't load the rest until after I'd sent a reply. p 0x62590808.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: Tomcat Consultant
>-Original Message- >From: Pid [mailto:p...@pidster.com] >Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > >On 18/11/2010 19:35, Pid wrote: >> On 24/09/2010 18:25, tdelesio wrote: >>> >>> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE >>> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are >>> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of >>> tomcat. Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch >>> consulting firm that could provide these services? >>> >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SupportAndTraining > > >Doh. Doh and double doh. > > >p Um, can anyone translate this? Am I really seeing that? http://training.mulesoft.com/about/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
On 18/11/2010 19:35, Pid wrote: > On 24/09/2010 18:25, tdelesio wrote: >> >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE web app >> over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are looking for a >> consultant to setup a crusted production instance of tomcat. Does anyone >> have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm that could provide >> these services? >> > > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SupportAndTraining Doh. Doh and double doh. p 0x62590808.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On 24/09/2010 18:25, tdelesio wrote: > > My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE web app > over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are looking for a > consultant to setup a crusted production instance of tomcat. Does anyone > have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm that could provide > these services? > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SupportAndTraining p 0x62590808.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant
amazing that all of the language battles lead to a Pyrrhic victory speaking of languages ..which languages does IBM currently "support"? thanks, Martin Gainty __ Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen. Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la copie de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement et n'aura pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné que les email peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > From: dfis...@jmlafferty.com > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:34:18 -0800 > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > I recently heard the story about how PL/1 got its name. I heard this recently > from my brother who worked with the son of the inventor of APL, Kenneth E. > Iverson. > > It was at IBM and APL was developed only the inventor wanted to call it The > Programming Language - TPL. When it went to the committee he was you can't > call it that there already is a TPL project. Outcome - neither language got > the name TPL - instead we have APL and PL/1. > > Dave > > On Sep 29, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Allen Razdow wrote: > > > OK, the "I'm gray-haired and remember when memory was core" game ;-), I was > > a regular Multics user myself, on MIT's Honeywell machines (with drum > > disks), as well as an assembler programmer on PDP-1, 4 and 9. The 4 had a > > 125 kHz clock speed. I vaguely remember the PIC OS, but haven't googled it > > yet. > > > > -Allen > > > >> -----Original Message- > >> From: David Fisher [mailto:dfis...@jmlafferty.com] > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:41 PM > >> To: Tomcat Users List > >> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > >> > >>>> PL/1 was a nice break from extending FORTRAN IV with BAL (Assembler). > >>>> > >>>> Wow real pointers and character strings! > >>>> > >>>> I seem to recall there was a version on the Prime minicomputers - IRC > >>>> they had a version of the PIC OS. > >>>> > >>>> Primos came out of the Boston area, was a son of Multics and a brother > >>>> OS to Unix. Wiki proves my memory fairly accurate - > >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Computer > >>>> > >>> > >>> That's the system I worked on. At one point, I worked in a university > >> environ and had access to source. We did a few tweaks to allow better > >> support for hundreds of students, or the occasional custom tool/command. > >> It was really nice to work in something like PL/P for that stuff. > >> > >>> I'm not sure what you meant by PIC OS, unless you meant the Pick > >> Database model, which was originally implemented as a combined OS/DB > >> setup. Prime did offer a version of the DB model, called INFORMATION, > >> which ran on the standard OS. It was a really nice rapid deployment > >> engine. > >> > >> That's it. I couldn't recall because I didn't use it. We used the MIDAS > >> database which transitioned pretty well from home grown assembler based / > >> hash indexed keys. > >> > >>> They also had a version of Oracle available for it, though I never used > >> it. I had used some other 3rd-party relational DB products, and > >> INFORMATION ran rings around them. The Pick data model was designed with > >> standard business data in mind, so it had some useful features that ran > >> fairly fast. I work in Oracle now, and am quite impressed with its speed, > >> but having to do all those table joins can sometimes be a real pain. > >> > >> We went with Oracle 5/6 when my boss spun out as an independent and we > >> migrated to Sun in 1991. Oracle had an interesting Hypercard Stack > >&g
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I recently heard the story about how PL/1 got its name. I heard this recently from my brother who worked with the son of the inventor of APL, Kenneth E. Iverson. It was at IBM and APL was developed only the inventor wanted to call it The Programming Language - TPL. When it went to the committee he was you can't call it that there already is a TPL project. Outcome - neither language got the name TPL - instead we have APL and PL/1. Dave On Sep 29, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Allen Razdow wrote: > OK, the "I'm gray-haired and remember when memory was core" game ;-), I was > a regular Multics user myself, on MIT's Honeywell machines (with drum > disks), as well as an assembler programmer on PDP-1, 4 and 9. The 4 had a > 125 kHz clock speed. I vaguely remember the PIC OS, but haven't googled it > yet. > > -Allen > >> -Original Message- >> From: David Fisher [mailto:dfis...@jmlafferty.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:41 PM >> To: Tomcat Users List >> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant >> >>>> PL/1 was a nice break from extending FORTRAN IV with BAL (Assembler). >>>> >>>> Wow real pointers and character strings! >>>> >>>> I seem to recall there was a version on the Prime minicomputers - IRC >>>> they had a version of the PIC OS. >>>> >>>> Primos came out of the Boston area, was a son of Multics and a brother >>>> OS to Unix. Wiki proves my memory fairly accurate - >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Computer >>>> >>> >>> That's the system I worked on. At one point, I worked in a university >> environ and had access to source. We did a few tweaks to allow better >> support for hundreds of students, or the occasional custom tool/command. >> It was really nice to work in something like PL/P for that stuff. >> >>> I'm not sure what you meant by PIC OS, unless you meant the Pick >> Database model, which was originally implemented as a combined OS/DB >> setup. Prime did offer a version of the DB model, called INFORMATION, >> which ran on the standard OS. It was a really nice rapid deployment >> engine. >> >> That's it. I couldn't recall because I didn't use it. We used the MIDAS >> database which transitioned pretty well from home grown assembler based / >> hash indexed keys. >> >>> They also had a version of Oracle available for it, though I never used >> it. I had used some other 3rd-party relational DB products, and >> INFORMATION ran rings around them. The Pick data model was designed with >> standard business data in mind, so it had some useful features that ran >> fairly fast. I work in Oracle now, and am quite impressed with its speed, >> but having to do all those table joins can sometimes be a real pain. >> >> We went with Oracle 5/6 when my boss spun out as an independent and we >> migrated to Sun in 1991. Oracle had an interesting Hypercard Stack >> interface for Macs around then. Only trouble for me is it wouldn't save >> your sql ddl, it was the schema. >> >> >>> >>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Jeffrey Janner wrote: >>>> >>>>> PL/1, boy that brings back memories. >>>>> I worked for years on a mini-computer who's O/S was written using a >>>> combination of a PL/1 subset and machine code. Really nice, Unix-like >>>> O/S, that had Unix beat in some areas, lacked behind it in others. >>>> Really kind of miss it these days. >>>>> However, I don't think it really took 4+ years to really learn PL/1. >>>> I seemed to have pretty well mastered it in a semester -- maybe a >>>> little longer. I really liked how easy it was to get done what you >>>> needed to do. And you'd think with IBM's clout it would have gotten >>>> better penetration, but they seemed more intent on other technologies. >>>> Probably not enough commission in it compared to COBOL. >>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:50 PM >>>>>> To: Tomcat Users List >>>>>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about >>>>>> actually >>>>>> being on a project under those conditions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>
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Cartensian joins were an impossibility. I got my join modifiers mixed up. Everything was like a "standard?" join, essentially the 2nd & 3rd parameters of the function became the (where this_table.field_name = lookup_table.field_name ) construct of an SQL where. I meant the overhead was essentially the same as a relational DB doing a non-Cartesian join. So for a field named inv_amount defined as trans(invoices,inv_id,amount,'x') in customer table, in SQL-speak becomes select c.cust_name, c.inv_id, i.amount from customer c, invoices i where c.inv_id+ = i.invoice_id; In Pick-speak: select cust_name, inv_id, inv_amount from customer Add sorting, grouping, totaling, limits, etc. as necessary. Notice, if the customer didn't have any invoices it still created a line of output, thus the left-join syntax in the SQL version. Also, the database was designed with nested tables in mind, so the inv_id field could contain multiple values, essentially a list of all that customer's invoice ids. Also, it only contained single-column primary keys, and the trans function always did compares against the PK. If you needed multi-column PKs, you could do it, but had to code for it yourself. Of course, nobody really uses multi-column PKs right? (Note, even for Pick, the above is a bad example, since an invoice ID list could get huge, thus slowing access to the regular data. Data was stored as delimited strings of varying lengths. You could, however, work around it physically, but still have it appear logically this way.) > -Original Message- > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgai...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:30 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > i agree ..caching works well for previously referenced entities > natural joins work if the column names are identical that is > table1.engineering==table2.engineering > but engineering==eng would not work for natural join and consequently > fallback to cartesian join > which would of course slow the query to a crawl > > an interesting digression > Martin > __ > Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de > confidentialité > > Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene > Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede > unbefugte Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. > Diese Nachricht dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und > entfaltet keine rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten > Manipulierbarkeit von E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt > uebernehmen. > Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas > le destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire > informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la > copie de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement > et n'aura pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné > que les email peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne > pouvons accepter aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:12:41 -0500 > > From: jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com > > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Christopher Schultz [mailto:ch...@christopherschultz.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 10:41 AM > > > To: Tomcat Users List > > > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Martin, > > > > > > On 9/30/2010 10:50 AM, Martin Gainty wrote: > > > > i would be interested in what administration overhead with this > > > > translate_entry table > > > > > > Probably about the same as doing a CREATE VIEW. > > > > > Actually more like a JOIN. The run-time loaded in and cached the > necessary rows from the lookup tables and pulled the data fields > needed. Essentially though, it was more like a left-join. To get the > effect of a natural join, you had to add a where clause to exclude > lines with null lookup return-values. I'm not sure if you could do a > full-join, but I never had need to. > > > > > ___ > ___ > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This Transmission (including any attachments) > may contain information that is privil
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i agree ..caching works well for previously referenced entities natural joins work if the column names are identical that is table1.engineering==table2.engineering but engineering==eng would not work for natural join and consequently fallback to cartesian join which would of course slow the query to a crawl an interesting digression Martin __ Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen. Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la copie de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement et n'aura pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné que les email peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:12:41 -0500 > From: jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > > -Original Message- > > From: Christopher Schultz [mailto:ch...@christopherschultz.net] > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 10:41 AM > > To: Tomcat Users List > > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Martin, > > > > On 9/30/2010 10:50 AM, Martin Gainty wrote: > > > i would be interested in what administration overhead with this > > > translate_entry table > > > > Probably about the same as doing a CREATE VIEW. > > > Actually more like a JOIN. The run-time loaded in and cached the necessary > rows from the lookup tables and pulled the data fields needed. Essentially > though, it was more like a left-join. To get the effect of a natural join, > you had to add a where clause to exclude lines with null lookup > return-values. I'm not sure if you could do a full-join, but I never had need > to. > > __ > > Confidentiality Notice: This Transmission (including any attachments) may > contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. > > If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to > the sender or telephone (512) 343-9100 and delete this transmission from your > system.
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> -Original Message- > From: Christopher Schultz [mailto:ch...@christopherschultz.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 10:41 AM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Martin, > > On 9/30/2010 10:50 AM, Martin Gainty wrote: > > i would be interested in what administration overhead with this > > translate_entry table > > Probably about the same as doing a CREATE VIEW. > Actually more like a JOIN. The run-time loaded in and cached the necessary rows from the lookup tables and pulled the data fields needed. Essentially though, it was more like a left-join. To get the effect of a natural join, you had to add a where clause to exclude lines with null lookup return-values. I'm not sure if you could do a full-join, but I never had need to. __ Confidentiality Notice: This Transmission (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender or telephone (512) 343-9100 and delete this transmission from your system.
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For the end user, it was just another field in the data dictionary for the table. The actual entry would be a line of code which was really a function call: TRANS(lookup_table_name,lookup_id,return_field,not_found_code) That last entry was a code that told the run-time engine what to return if the lookup_id was not found. The run-time engine had some tricks to make this efficient. The data dictionary basically defined two type of entries: D for data, which had a field# (column) to return, and I for Interpreted, so you could add calculations directly to the dictionary. The translate/lookup was one, but you could put anything expression there, even call complicated self-written functions, or if statements, etc. It used the same language that you wrote programs in. A standard example would be an extended cost. The entry would just be QTY * COST. The idea was that the DBA defined everything you might want to use. If you needed a new calculation, it could be added to the dictionary rather quickly and available immediately. At later releases, primarily to support SQL queries, they added the ability to add Trans functions and code in-line with the query, so you could by-pass the DBA if necessary, but it was suggested to do this primarily as a dev/debug step. It was faster if it was compiled into the dictionary. You further defined in the dictionary things such as precision, display length, etc. Therefore, you could have more that one dictionary entries pointing to the same field or calculation, but returning slightly different results. Now true PICK, defined the dictionary types as A for attribute (field/column), and S for Stack. The S-type was the calculated field, and all work was done using a calculation stack. It was also how you did table lookups. These could get really complicated. I put a number up there with the one-line obfuscated C programs some folks are so proud of. > -Original Message- > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgai...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:51 AM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > i would be interested in what administration overhead with this > translate_entry table > > if your goal is a lexicographical approach you could pull the data > dictionary build routines from a search engine such as lucene > or solr..that way you could handle modifiers such as adjectives and or > adverbs > > with exception of BBN's dictionary i havent seen any products which > address the need > > an interesting digression! > Martin Gainty > __ > Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de > confidentialité > > Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene > Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede > unbefugte Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. > Diese Nachricht dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und > entfaltet keine rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten > Manipulierbarkeit von E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt > uebernehmen. > Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas > le destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire > informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la > copie de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement > et n'aura pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné > que les email peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne > pouvons accepter aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:32:47 -0500 > > From: jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com > > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgai...@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:18 AM > > > To: Tomcat Users List > > > Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > > > > > > > this is way O/T so lets take this offline > > > what is meant by "near-english query"? > > > > > > M > > > > I believe the technical term most folks use is "natural language > query". > > > > The tables where dictionary-based, and you didn't really have joins. > If > > there was a need to reference data from another table, using foreign > > keys, you added a translate entry to the database for the necessary > > fields. > > Then instead of needing to use and understand SQL, you simple said > > something like: > > Select customer_name, address, invo
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin, On 9/30/2010 10:50 AM, Martin Gainty wrote: > i would be interested in what administration overhead with this > translate_entry table Probably about the same as doing a CREATE VIEW. > if your goal is a lexicographical approach you could pull the data > dictionary build routines from a search engine such as lucene or > solr..that way you could handle modifiers such as adjectives and or > adverbs Yes, but that's a layer /on top of/ the actual database. The databases Jeffrey is talking about allowed natural language /queries/, they didn't query natural languages. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkykr34ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PCHkgCfQrLilvSpMOdJ2OwYFmaATb6D Q34AnA6w2IU43TUPZ3ZrFC3WOXC7Mo0g =U8ri -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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i would be interested in what administration overhead with this translate_entry table if your goal is a lexicographical approach you could pull the data dictionary build routines from a search engine such as lucene or solr..that way you could handle modifiers such as adjectives and or adverbs with exception of BBN's dictionary i havent seen any products which address the need an interesting digression! Martin Gainty __ Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen. Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la copie de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement et n'aura pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné que les email peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:32:47 -0500 > From: jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > > -Original Message- > > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgai...@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:18 AM > > To: Tomcat Users List > > Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > > > > this is way O/T so lets take this offline > > what is meant by "near-english query"? > > > > M > > I believe the technical term most folks use is "natural language query". > > The tables where dictionary-based, and you didn't really have joins. If > there was a need to reference data from another table, using foreign > keys, you added a translate entry to the database for the necessary > fields. > Then instead of needing to use and understand SQL, you simple said > something like: > Select customer_name, address, invoice_id, total invoice_amt from > customer-table by customer_name; > and you got a nice table listing each customer and its invoices with a > total invoice amount per customer and a grand total at the end. > > __ > > Confidentiality Notice: This Transmission (including any attachments) may > contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. > > If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to > the sender or telephone (512) 343-9100 and delete this transmission from your > system. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >
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> -Original Message- > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgai...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:18 AM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > this is way O/T so lets take this offline > what is meant by "near-english query"? > > M I believe the technical term most folks use is "natural language query". The tables where dictionary-based, and you didn't really have joins. If there was a need to reference data from another table, using foreign keys, you added a translate entry to the database for the necessary fields. Then instead of needing to use and understand SQL, you simple said something like: Select customer_name, address, invoice_id, total invoice_amt from customer-table by customer_name; and you got a nice table listing each customer and its invoices with a total invoice amount per customer and a grand total at the end. __ Confidentiality Notice: This Transmission (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender or telephone (512) 343-9100 and delete this transmission from your system. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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> -Original Message- > From: Allen Razdow [mailto:araz...@truenum.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:31 PM > To: 'Tomcat Users List' > Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > OK, the "I'm gray-haired and remember when memory was core" game ;-), I > was > a regular Multics user myself, on MIT's Honeywell machines (with drum > disks), as well as an assembler programmer on PDP-1, 4 and 9. The 4 > had a > 125 kHz clock speed. I vaguely remember the PIC OS, but haven't googled > it > yet. > > -Allen > Well, when you do, make sure you query "Pick OS", since that's the real name. I'll save you a little trouble. Here's the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_operating_system. Nowadays, it's generally referred to as a multi-valued database, and several companies have implemented the DB portion of it onto various OS - quite a few for Unix/Linux. Even IBM had a version (U2) that they recently sold off to a company that was actually willing to give it some attention. In the "gray-haired" contest, I once had access to a Victor PC -- essentially a IBM clone with its own OS. Most notable that I remember - besides the domino game that cheated - was their spreadsheet program, VictorCalc. It was a 3-dimensional spreadsheet: rows, columns, and pages, essentially creating a sort of cube. You could pick the edge you viewed the data by. For example, normal was page view where you saw row x column, but you could rotate the data and see row x page, or column x page. Great for financials, each page was a year, columns were months/quarters, rows were account (or whatever). A new year comes along, create a new page. You could rotate to column view, and instantly see how each month compared across the years. Or rotate to row view and see how a particular account fluctuated over each month/year cycle. It was kinda neat. __ Confidentiality Notice: This Transmission (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender or telephone (512) 343-9100 and delete this transmission from your system. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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this is way O/T so lets take this offline what is meant by "near-english query"? M __ Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen. Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la copie de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement et n'aura pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné que les email peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:04:56 -0500 > From: jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > > -Original Message- > > From: David Fisher [mailto:dfis...@jmlafferty.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:41 PM > > To: Tomcat Users List > > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > > > I'm not sure what you meant by PIC OS, unless you meant the Pick > > Database model, which was originally implemented as a combined OS/DB > > setup. Prime did offer a version of the DB model, called INFORMATION, > > which ran on the standard OS. It was a really nice rapid deployment > > engine. > > > > That's it. I couldn't recall because I didn't use it. We used the > MIDAS > > database which transitioned pretty well from home grown assembler > based > > / hash indexed keys. > > > An ISAM storage system doesn't really qualify as a database system. > Does it? > I mean, you had to hard-code all the access yourself. (I also did a > little work in MIDAS. IIRC, we used it for our account billing system.) > Information also used the same underlying segdir file structure for > storing data, but it also had a real run-time engine for managing the > data for you, and for processing near-english data queries. > __ > > Confidentiality Notice: This Transmission (including any attachments) may > contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. > > If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to > the sender or telephone (512) 343-9100 and delete this transmission from your > system. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >
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> -Original Message- > From: David Fisher [mailto:dfis...@jmlafferty.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:41 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > I'm not sure what you meant by PIC OS, unless you meant the Pick > Database model, which was originally implemented as a combined OS/DB > setup. Prime did offer a version of the DB model, called INFORMATION, > which ran on the standard OS. It was a really nice rapid deployment > engine. > > That's it. I couldn't recall because I didn't use it. We used the MIDAS > database which transitioned pretty well from home grown assembler based > / hash indexed keys. > An ISAM storage system doesn't really qualify as a database system. Does it? I mean, you had to hard-code all the access yourself. (I also did a little work in MIDAS. IIRC, we used it for our account billing system.) Information also used the same underlying segdir file structure for storing data, but it also had a real run-time engine for managing the data for you, and for processing near-english data queries. __ Confidentiality Notice: This Transmission (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender or telephone (512) 343-9100 and delete this transmission from your system. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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OK, the "I'm gray-haired and remember when memory was core" game ;-), I was a regular Multics user myself, on MIT's Honeywell machines (with drum disks), as well as an assembler programmer on PDP-1, 4 and 9. The 4 had a 125 kHz clock speed. I vaguely remember the PIC OS, but haven't googled it yet. -Allen > -Original Message- > From: David Fisher [mailto:dfis...@jmlafferty.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:41 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > >> PL/1 was a nice break from extending FORTRAN IV with BAL (Assembler). > >> > >> Wow real pointers and character strings! > >> > >> I seem to recall there was a version on the Prime minicomputers - IRC > >> they had a version of the PIC OS. > >> > >> Primos came out of the Boston area, was a son of Multics and a brother > >> OS to Unix. Wiki proves my memory fairly accurate - > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Computer > >> > > > > That's the system I worked on. At one point, I worked in a university > environ and had access to source. We did a few tweaks to allow better > support for hundreds of students, or the occasional custom tool/command. > It was really nice to work in something like PL/P for that stuff. > > > I'm not sure what you meant by PIC OS, unless you meant the Pick > Database model, which was originally implemented as a combined OS/DB > setup. Prime did offer a version of the DB model, called INFORMATION, > which ran on the standard OS. It was a really nice rapid deployment > engine. > > That's it. I couldn't recall because I didn't use it. We used the MIDAS > database which transitioned pretty well from home grown assembler based / > hash indexed keys. > > > They also had a version of Oracle available for it, though I never used > it. I had used some other 3rd-party relational DB products, and > INFORMATION ran rings around them. The Pick data model was designed with > standard business data in mind, so it had some useful features that ran > fairly fast. I work in Oracle now, and am quite impressed with its speed, > but having to do all those table joins can sometimes be a real pain. > > We went with Oracle 5/6 when my boss spun out as an independent and we > migrated to Sun in 1991. Oracle had an interesting Hypercard Stack > interface for Macs around then. Only trouble for me is it wouldn't save > your sql ddl, it was the schema. > > > > > >> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Jeffrey Janner wrote: > >> > >>> PL/1, boy that brings back memories. > >>> I worked for years on a mini-computer who's O/S was written using a > >> combination of a PL/1 subset and machine code. Really nice, Unix-like > >> O/S, that had Unix beat in some areas, lacked behind it in others. > >> Really kind of miss it these days. > >>> However, I don't think it really took 4+ years to really learn PL/1. > >> I seemed to have pretty well mastered it in a semester -- maybe a > >> little longer. I really liked how easy it was to get done what you > >> needed to do. And you'd think with IBM's clout it would have gotten > >> better penetration, but they seemed more intent on other technologies. > >> Probably not enough commission in it compared to COBOL. > >>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] > >>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:50 PM > >>>> To: Tomcat Users List > >>>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > >>>> > >>>> Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about > >>>> actually > >>>> being on a project under those conditions. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the > >>>> best > >>>> darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It > >> was > >>>> said > >>>> that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days > >> all > >>>> you > >>>> need is a crash course to be an expert! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> - Original Message - > >>>> From: "Brian" > >>>>
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>> PL/1 was a nice break from extending FORTRAN IV with BAL (Assembler). >> >> Wow real pointers and character strings! >> >> I seem to recall there was a version on the Prime minicomputers - IRC >> they had a version of the PIC OS. >> >> Primos came out of the Boston area, was a son of Multics and a brother >> OS to Unix. Wiki proves my memory fairly accurate - >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Computer >> > > That's the system I worked on. At one point, I worked in a university environ > and had access to source. We did a few tweaks to allow better support for > hundreds of students, or the occasional custom tool/command. It was really > nice to work in something like PL/P for that stuff. > I'm not sure what you meant by PIC OS, unless you meant the Pick Database > model, which was originally implemented as a combined OS/DB setup. Prime did > offer a version of the DB model, called INFORMATION, which ran on the > standard OS. It was a really nice rapid deployment engine. That's it. I couldn't recall because I didn't use it. We used the MIDAS database which transitioned pretty well from home grown assembler based / hash indexed keys. > They also had a version of Oracle available for it, though I never used it. > I had used some other 3rd-party relational DB products, and INFORMATION ran > rings around them. The Pick data model was designed with standard business > data in mind, so it had some useful features that ran fairly fast. I work in > Oracle now, and am quite impressed with its speed, but having to do all those > table joins can sometimes be a real pain. We went with Oracle 5/6 when my boss spun out as an independent and we migrated to Sun in 1991. Oracle had an interesting Hypercard Stack interface for Macs around then. Only trouble for me is it wouldn't save your sql ddl, it was the schema. > >> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Jeffrey Janner wrote: >> >>> PL/1, boy that brings back memories. >>> I worked for years on a mini-computer who's O/S was written using a >> combination of a PL/1 subset and machine code. Really nice, Unix-like >> O/S, that had Unix beat in some areas, lacked behind it in others. >> Really kind of miss it these days. >>> However, I don't think it really took 4+ years to really learn PL/1. >> I seemed to have pretty well mastered it in a semester -- maybe a >> little longer. I really liked how easy it was to get done what you >> needed to do. And you'd think with IBM's clout it would have gotten >> better penetration, but they seemed more intent on other technologies. >> Probably not enough commission in it compared to COBOL. >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] >>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:50 PM >>>> To: Tomcat Users List >>>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >>>> >>>> Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about >>>> actually >>>> being on a project under those conditions. >>>> >>>> >>>> Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... >>>> >>>> >>>> Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the >>>> best >>>> darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It >> was >>>> said >>>> that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days >> all >>>> you >>>> need is a crash course to be an expert! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Brian" >>>> To: "'Tomcat Users List'" >>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM >>>> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant >>>> >>>> >>>> That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they >> sent >>>> me >>>> to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions >> of >>>> Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. >>>> Then >>>> they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for >> my >>>> time. >>>> I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. >>>> >>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24
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I think you are completely lost, none of the big 5 could bill below 200$/hr and survive paying the big building and the big bosses, 100$/hr is what the sub-contractors are billing them. I did work for one of these in the 90's and they already billed between 200-300$/hr at that time, this is 20 years ago. And what are the lawyer's rates like in the commercial area? Don't you believe having a working business infrastructure worth something or not? I mean, lawyers are there to have the business legal terms working and the IT consultant having the business infrastructure working. Does it compare or not? Daniel Savard 2010/9/29 Martin Gainty > > i always wondered by the big 5 billable rate started at 100 /hr > > BTW: dont forgot your armani suit and the lamberghini! > Martin Gainty >
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i always wondered by the big 5 billable rate started at 100 /hr BTW: dont forgot your armani suit and the lamberghini! Martin Gainty __ Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen. Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la copie de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement et n'aura pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné que les email peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:51:42 -0500 > From: jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > > -Original Message- > > From: David Fisher [mailto:dfis...@jmlafferty.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:28 PM > > To: Tomcat Users List > > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > > PL/1 was a nice break from extending FORTRAN IV with BAL (Assembler). > > > > Wow real pointers and character strings! > > > > I seem to recall there was a version on the Prime minicomputers - IRC > > they had a version of the PIC OS. > > > > Primos came out of the Boston area, was a son of Multics and a brother > > OS to Unix. Wiki proves my memory fairly accurate - > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Computer > > > > That's the system I worked on. At one point, I worked in a university environ > and had access to source. We did a few tweaks to allow better support for > hundreds of students, or the occasional custom tool/command. It was really > nice to work in something like PL/P for that stuff. > > I'm not sure what you meant by PIC OS, unless you meant the Pick Database > model, which was originally implemented as a combined OS/DB setup. Prime did > offer a version of the DB model, called INFORMATION, which ran on the > standard OS. It was a really nice rapid deployment engine. They also had a > version of Oracle available for it, though I never used it. I had used some > other 3rd-party relational DB products, and INFORMATION ran rings around > them. The Pick data model was designed with standard business data in mind, > so it had some useful features that ran fairly fast. I work in Oracle now, > and am quite impressed with its speed, but having to do all those table joins > can sometimes be a real pain. > > > On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Jeffrey Janner wrote: > > > > > PL/1, boy that brings back memories. > > > I worked for years on a mini-computer who's O/S was written using a > > combination of a PL/1 subset and machine code. Really nice, Unix-like > > O/S, that had Unix beat in some areas, lacked behind it in others. > > Really kind of miss it these days. > > > However, I don't think it really took 4+ years to really learn PL/1. > > I seemed to have pretty well mastered it in a semester -- maybe a > > little longer. I really liked how easy it was to get done what you > > needed to do. And you'd think with IBM's clout it would have gotten > > better penetration, but they seemed more intent on other technologies. > > Probably not enough commission in it compared to COBOL. > > > > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] > > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:50 PM > > >> To: Tomcat Users List > > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > >> > > >> Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about > > >> actually > > >> being on a project under those conditions. > > >> > > >> > > >> Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... > > >> > > >> > > >> Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the > > >> best > > >> darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It > > was > > >> said > > >> that it took four years
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> -Original Message- > From: David Fisher [mailto:dfis...@jmlafferty.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:28 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > PL/1 was a nice break from extending FORTRAN IV with BAL (Assembler). > > Wow real pointers and character strings! > > I seem to recall there was a version on the Prime minicomputers - IRC > they had a version of the PIC OS. > > Primos came out of the Boston area, was a son of Multics and a brother > OS to Unix. Wiki proves my memory fairly accurate - > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Computer > That's the system I worked on. At one point, I worked in a university environ and had access to source. We did a few tweaks to allow better support for hundreds of students, or the occasional custom tool/command. It was really nice to work in something like PL/P for that stuff. I'm not sure what you meant by PIC OS, unless you meant the Pick Database model, which was originally implemented as a combined OS/DB setup. Prime did offer a version of the DB model, called INFORMATION, which ran on the standard OS. It was a really nice rapid deployment engine. They also had a version of Oracle available for it, though I never used it. I had used some other 3rd-party relational DB products, and INFORMATION ran rings around them. The Pick data model was designed with standard business data in mind, so it had some useful features that ran fairly fast. I work in Oracle now, and am quite impressed with its speed, but having to do all those table joins can sometimes be a real pain. > On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Jeffrey Janner wrote: > > > PL/1, boy that brings back memories. > > I worked for years on a mini-computer who's O/S was written using a > combination of a PL/1 subset and machine code. Really nice, Unix-like > O/S, that had Unix beat in some areas, lacked behind it in others. > Really kind of miss it these days. > > However, I don't think it really took 4+ years to really learn PL/1. > I seemed to have pretty well mastered it in a semester -- maybe a > little longer. I really liked how easy it was to get done what you > needed to do. And you'd think with IBM's clout it would have gotten > better penetration, but they seemed more intent on other technologies. > Probably not enough commission in it compared to COBOL. > > > >> -Original Message----- > >> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:50 PM > >> To: Tomcat Users List > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > >> > >> Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about > >> actually > >> being on a project under those conditions. > >> > >> > >> Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... > >> > >> > >> Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the > >> best > >> darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It > was > >> said > >> that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days > all > >> you > >> need is a crash course to be an expert! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Brian" > >> To: "'Tomcat Users List'" > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM > >> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant > >> > >> > >> That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they > sent > >> me > >> to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions > of > >> Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. > >> Then > >> they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for > my > >> time. > >> I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. > >> > >> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] > >>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM > >>> To: Tomcat Users List > >>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > >>> > >>> I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but > had > >> some > >>> pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had > me > >> in > >>> Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I > >> could > >>> become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on > >> different > >&
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason, On 9/28/2010 5:25 PM, Jason Brittain wrote: > I'm surprised you hadn't heard of it yet. Disclaimer: I work for MuleSoft. Thanks for posting. I hadn't ever heard of Tcat, though I tend to run a vanilla Tomcat without even the "standard" webapps loaded, and we don't do any instrumentation outside of our webapp, so I've never had occasion to look into things such as Tcat. > Just so you know (in case our web pages don't clearly state this), Tcat is > about trying to make it easier to use open source Tomcat in production > enterprise environments. I didn't realize that Tcat was a re-packaging of Tomcat... it sounded as if your company was claiming that running Tomcat in an enterprise environment required your product (in marketing-speak, of course). Hence, the aspersions cast your direction. > It's not, in any way, trying to replace open source Tomcat, nor is it > a Java EE app server. By making it easier to monitor and manage the > open source Tomcat instances people already run in production via our > Tcat Server console, we're helping Tomcat to be easier to use, more > stable, and to perform better in production due to increased > stability and visibility. That's a great description, Jason. Again, thanks for helping clear the air. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyiYwQACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PA0ZACguSUTtvJg11FoEq/sGbH9Lpsm q+wAnjr1+mvs7cl3KxIXReRj1/DfY3sh =+Xbw -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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Hi Chris. I'm surprised you hadn't heard of it yet. Disclaimer: I work for MuleSoft. Just so you know (in case our web pages don't clearly state this), Tcat is about trying to make it easier to use open source Tomcat in production enterprise environments. It's not, in any way, trying to replace open source Tomcat, nor is it a Java EE app server. By making it easier to monitor and manage the open source Tomcat instances people already run in production via our Tcat Server console, we're helping Tomcat to be easier to use, more stable, and to perform better in production due to increased stability and visibility. In case you want to try it, it's free (as in beer) to download. You get the full version. If you like it enough to deploy and use it in your production environment, that's when it begins to cost, but it's free for use in your development environment, test environment, and staging. It hooks up to any Tomcat 5.5.x, 6.0.x, and 7.0.x beta. We'd like to know what you think of it once you've tried it. MuleSoft also offers training and consulting on Tomcat, though we're mainly focused on Tcat and the Mule open source ESB. Cheers. -- Jason Brittain Co-Author, Tomcat: The Definitive Guide (O'Reilly) On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Christopher Schultz < ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote: > > Brian, > > On 9/24/2010 2:29 PM, Brian wrote: > > This company LOOKS like specialists: > http://www.mulesoft.com/tomcat-support > > I've never heard of Tcat, supposedly "the Apache Tomcat app server for > the enterprise". Beware. > > - -chris >
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PL/1 was a nice break from extending FORTRAN IV with BAL (Assembler). Wow real pointers and character strings! I seem to recall there was a version on the Prime minicomputers - IRC they had a version of the PIC OS. Primos came out of the Boston area, was a son of Multics and a brother OS to Unix. Wiki proves my memory fairly accurate - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Computer On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Jeffrey Janner wrote: > PL/1, boy that brings back memories. > I worked for years on a mini-computer who's O/S was written using a > combination of a PL/1 subset and machine code. Really nice, Unix-like O/S, > that had Unix beat in some areas, lacked behind it in others. Really kind of > miss it these days. > However, I don't think it really took 4+ years to really learn PL/1. I > seemed to have pretty well mastered it in a semester -- maybe a little > longer. I really liked how easy it was to get done what you needed to do. > And you'd think with IBM's clout it would have gotten better penetration, but > they seemed more intent on other technologies. Probably not enough > commission in it compared to COBOL. > >> -Original Message- >> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:50 PM >> To: Tomcat Users List >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >> >> Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about >> actually >> being on a project under those conditions. >> >> >> Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... >> >> >> Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the >> best >> darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was >> said >> that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all >> you >> need is a crash course to be an expert! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Brian" >> To: "'Tomcat Users List'" >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM >> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant >> >> >> That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent >> me >> to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of >> Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. >> Then >> they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my >> time. >> I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] >>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM >>> To: Tomcat Users List >>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >>> >>> I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had >> some >>> pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me >> in >>> Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I >> could >>> become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on >> different >>> projects. >>> >>> Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, >> and >>> then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got >> canned >>> ... >>> >>> I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this >> nonsense. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Martin Gainty" >>> To: "Tomcat Users List" >>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM >>> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant >>> >>> >>> >>> triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini >> in a >>> 1000 brooks brothers suit >>> >>> add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg >>> >>> BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a >> hindi >>> translator for spanish >>> >>> how about unisys??? >>> >>> Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU >>> Martin Gainty >>> __ >>> No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >>>> From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com >>>> To: users@tomcat.apache.org >>>&
Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant
Jeffrey, PL/I had a lot of stuff in that most people never even knew about, and those could take a while before getting in to it. But the basics could be mastered fast enough. I have heard two reasons for PL/I not taking a better market share. 1. was an IBM product, and IBM was trying to hard to control it. 2. the compiler was really bad and generated some very ineffective machine code at a time when hardware cost . But no question that PL/I was a fantastic language for developers! Michel - Original Message - From: "Jeffrey Janner" To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:52 PM Subject: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant PL/1, boy that brings back memories. I worked for years on a mini-computer who's O/S was written using a combination of a PL/1 subset and machine code. Really nice, Unix-like O/S, that had Unix beat in some areas, lacked behind it in others. Really kind of miss it these days. However, I don't think it really took 4+ years to really learn PL/1. I seemed to have pretty well mastered it in a semester -- maybe a little longer. I really liked how easy it was to get done what you needed to do. And you'd think with IBM's clout it would have gotten better penetration, but they seemed more intent on other technologies. Probably not enough commission in it compared to COBOL. -Original Message- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:50 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about actually being on a project under those conditions. Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the best darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was said that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all you need is a crash course to be an expert! - Original Message - From: "Brian" To: "'Tomcat Users List'" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent me to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. Then they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my time. I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. > -Original Message- > From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some > pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in > Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could > become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different > projects. > > Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and > then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned > ... > > I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense. > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Gainty" > To: "Tomcat Users List" > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM > Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > > triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a > 1000 brooks brothers suit > > add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg > > BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi > translator for spanish > > how about unisys??? > > Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU > Martin Gainty > __ > No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 > > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com > > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > > > I should have copyrights on my name. LOL > > > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian wrote: > > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] > > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM > > >> To: Tomcat Users List > > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > >> > > >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. > > > > > > > > > Esto si que sonó gracioso. > > > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de los > > > cuales > > > se llamaba JORG
[OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant
PL/1, boy that brings back memories. I worked for years on a mini-computer who's O/S was written using a combination of a PL/1 subset and machine code. Really nice, Unix-like O/S, that had Unix beat in some areas, lacked behind it in others. Really kind of miss it these days. However, I don't think it really took 4+ years to really learn PL/1. I seemed to have pretty well mastered it in a semester -- maybe a little longer. I really liked how easy it was to get done what you needed to do. And you'd think with IBM's clout it would have gotten better penetration, but they seemed more intent on other technologies. Probably not enough commission in it compared to COBOL. > -Original Message- > From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:50 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about > actually > being on a project under those conditions. > > > Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... > > > Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the > best > darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was > said > that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all > you > need is a crash course to be an expert! > > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Brian" > To: "'Tomcat Users List'" > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM > Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent > me > to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of > Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. > Then > they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my > time. > I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM > > To: Tomcat Users List > > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > > > I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had > some > > pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me > in > > Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I > could > > become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on > different > > projects. > > > > Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, > and > > then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got > canned > > ... > > > > I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this > nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Martin Gainty" > > To: "Tomcat Users List" > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM > > Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > > > > > > triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini > in a > > 1000 brooks brothers suit > > > > add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg > > > > BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a > hindi > > translator for spanish > > > > how about unisys??? > > > > Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU > > Martin Gainty > > __ > > No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > > From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com > > > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > > > > > I should have copyrights on my name. LOL > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > > > >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] > > > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM > > > >> To: Tomcat Users List > > > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > > >> > > > >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. > > > > > > > > > > > > Esto si que sonó gracioso. > > > > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de > los > > > > cuales > > > > se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D > > > > > > > > > > &g
RE: Tomcat Consultant
Hi A better approach to use J2EE container ( with Tomcat built in ) use JBOSS ... With regards Karthik -Original Message- From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 4:25 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_server I am no expert, I have never used a J2EE container, so verify my words below: A web container (Tomcat) allows you to run servlets...(or JSPs that get compiled into servlets) A J2EE container or Application Server (Glassfish) can also manage EJBs, it will support message queues (JMS), it will allow you to manage database and JNDI resources, it can handle a transaction manager. You can probably use JMS, set up JNDI resources and use a transaction manager within your webapp in Tomcat but you have to add the features yourself; an application server should be able to help set up all that and help you manage it, in theory speeding up your development. An application server is also a web container, but it offers you many other features. http://download.oracle.com/javaee/1.4/tutorial/doc/Overview3.html On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Daniel Savard wrote: > Jorge, > > Could you explain further what's the difference between an app > container and an app server? For me it seems pretty much the same. > > Regards, > Daniel Savard > > 2010/9/24, Jorge Medina : >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. >> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. >> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of the >> Big-5. >> >> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while >> Websphere is an application server. >> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to >> migrate it to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an >> application server. >> >> -Jorge >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz >> wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> To whom it may concern, >>> >>> On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: >>>> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE >>>> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are >>>> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of >>>> tomcat. >>> >>> Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set it >>> up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? >>> >>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm >>>> that could provide these services? >>> >>> I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very happy >>> to take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance of Tomcat >>> for you. >>> >>> - -chris >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) >>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >>> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+A27 >>> dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas >>> =vADj >>> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >> >> > > > -- > - > Daniel Savard > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_server I am no expert, I have never used a J2EE container, so verify my words below: A web container (Tomcat) allows you to run servlets...(or JSPs that get compiled into servlets) A J2EE container or Application Server (Glassfish) can also manage EJBs, it will support message queues (JMS), it will allow you to manage database and JNDI resources, it can handle a transaction manager. You can probably use JMS, set up JNDI resources and use a transaction manager within your webapp in Tomcat but you have to add the features yourself; an application server should be able to help set up all that and help you manage it, in theory speeding up your development. An application server is also a web container, but it offers you many other features. http://download.oracle.com/javaee/1.4/tutorial/doc/Overview3.html On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Daniel Savard wrote: > Jorge, > > Could you explain further what's the difference between an app > container and an app server? For me it seems pretty much the same. > > Regards, > Daniel Savard > > 2010/9/24, Jorge Medina : >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. >> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. >> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of the >> Big-5. >> >> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while >> Websphere is an application server. >> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to >> migrate it to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an >> application server. >> >> -Jorge >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz >> wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> To whom it may concern, >>> >>> On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of tomcat. >>> >>> Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set it >>> up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? >>> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm that could provide these services? >>> >>> I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very happy >>> to take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance of Tomcat >>> for you. >>> >>> - -chris >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) >>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >>> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+A27 >>> dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas >>> =vADj >>> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >> >> > > > -- > - > Daniel Savard > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Daniel Savard wrote: > Could you explain further what's the difference between an app > container and an app server? For me it seems pretty much the same. Several hundred megabytes and 10x the number of configuration files, typically. And pain. Let's not forget the pain... -- Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com twitter: @hassan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
Jorge, Could you explain further what's the difference between an app container and an app server? For me it seems pretty much the same. Regards, Daniel Savard 2010/9/24, Jorge Medina : > Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. > You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. > But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of the > Big-5. > > Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while > Websphere is an application server. > Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to > migrate it to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an > application server. > > -Jorge > > > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz > wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> To whom it may concern, >> >> On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: >>> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE >>> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are >>> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of >>> tomcat. >> >> Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set it >> up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? >> >>> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm >>> that could provide these services? >> >> I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very happy >> to take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance of Tomcat >> for you. >> >> - -chris >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+A27 >> dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas >> =vADj >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > -- - Daniel Savard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
Great Exp Michel :) On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, michel wrote: > > I have not touched PL/I in over 20 years, but from a developer's point of > view I don't see any of the current languages being any better. We are still > reinventing the wheel with promises that the next version will be more > round, and it never is ... > > While PL/I is a procedural language, not object oriented, I don't even see a > world of difference between the two. Code is code, and you just need to have > functions and procedures to logically encapsulate the code. > > I don't have a problem with being thrown in the water, but not when some > sales person doesn't explain it to the client. > > While I still code (in Java) I have pretty well given up doing it for > others; I have gotten burned out because the non-stop cycle of > new-and-better-technology coupled with having some learning disabilities has > made it way to easy for screwed up projects and other people's inept work > habits to automatically become my fault. > > > PL/I > > > > - Original Message - From: "Mark Eggers" > To: "Tomcat Users List" > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:49 AM > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > > Yep, PL/I was a great language. My first stunt was opening up partitioned > dataset and treating it as sequential to play with the header. Yes, I had > backups. > > I worked for a consulting organization for a while. I was at that time a > network > person, but the first thing they did was put me in as site lead for a 200+ > node > HP-UX site. > > I had touched HP-UX twice, being mostly a SunOS and DEC Ultrix (Berkeley > UNIX) > person. No crash course offered, just threw me into the pool and see if I > could > take a broken site / team and fix it. > > Fun times . . . > > /mde/ > > - Original Message > From: michel > To: Tomcat Users List > Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 7:21:58 PM > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > Just to mess with you, it's really PL/I ... > > > It was a fantastic, leading edge language that should have had a much better > future than it really did. > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Donald Winston" > To: "Tomcat Users List" > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > > I was a PL-I expert. That's why I know it's spelled PL-I (roman numerals > not arabic. I always thought this was funny) > > On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:49 PM, michel wrote: > >> Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about actually >> being on a project under those conditions. >> >> >> Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... >> >> >> Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the best >> darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was >> said that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all >> you need is a crash course to be an expert! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Brian" >> To: "'Tomcat Users List'" >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM >> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant >> >> >> That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent me >> to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of >> Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. Then >> they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my >> time. >> I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] >>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM >>> To: Tomcat Users List >>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >>> >>> I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some >>> pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in >>> Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could >>> become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different >>> projects. >>> >>> Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and >>> then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned >>> ... >>> >>> I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
Re: Tomcat Consultant
I have not touched PL/I in over 20 years, but from a developer's point of view I don't see any of the current languages being any better. We are still reinventing the wheel with promises that the next version will be more round, and it never is ... While PL/I is a procedural language, not object oriented, I don't even see a world of difference between the two. Code is code, and you just need to have functions and procedures to logically encapsulate the code. I don't have a problem with being thrown in the water, but not when some sales person doesn't explain it to the client. While I still code (in Java) I have pretty well given up doing it for others; I have gotten burned out because the non-stop cycle of new-and-better-technology coupled with having some learning disabilities has made it way to easy for screwed up projects and other people's inept work habits to automatically become my fault. PL/I - Original Message - From: "Mark Eggers" To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant Yep, PL/I was a great language. My first stunt was opening up partitioned dataset and treating it as sequential to play with the header. Yes, I had backups. I worked for a consulting organization for a while. I was at that time a network person, but the first thing they did was put me in as site lead for a 200+ node HP-UX site. I had touched HP-UX twice, being mostly a SunOS and DEC Ultrix (Berkeley UNIX) person. No crash course offered, just threw me into the pool and see if I could take a broken site / team and fix it. Fun times . . . /mde/ - Original Message From: michel To: Tomcat Users List Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 7:21:58 PM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant Just to mess with you, it's really PL/I ... It was a fantastic, leading edge language that should have had a much better future than it really did. - Original Message - From: "Donald Winston" To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant I was a PL-I expert. That's why I know it's spelled PL-I (roman numerals not arabic. I always thought this was funny) On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:49 PM, michel wrote: Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about actually being on a project under those conditions. Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the best darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was said that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all you need is a crash course to be an expert! - Original Message - From: "Brian" To: "'Tomcat Users List'" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent me to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. Then they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my time. I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. -Original Message----- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different projects. Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned ... I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense. ----- Original Message - From: "Martin Gainty" To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a 1000 brooks brothers suit add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi translator for spanish how about unisys??? Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU Martin Gainty ______ No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > I should have copyrights on my name. LOL > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian wrote: > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Jorge Medin
Re: Tomcat Consultant
Yep, PL/I was a great language. My first stunt was opening up partitioned dataset and treating it as sequential to play with the header. Yes, I had backups. I worked for a consulting organization for a while. I was at that time a network person, but the first thing they did was put me in as site lead for a 200+ node HP-UX site. I had touched HP-UX twice, being mostly a SunOS and DEC Ultrix (Berkeley UNIX) person. No crash course offered, just threw me into the pool and see if I could take a broken site / team and fix it. Fun times . . . /mde/ - Original Message From: michel To: Tomcat Users List Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 7:21:58 PM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant Just to mess with you, it's really PL/I ... It was a fantastic, leading edge language that should have had a much better future than it really did. - Original Message - From: "Donald Winston" To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant I was a PL-I expert. That's why I know it's spelled PL-I (roman numerals not arabic. I always thought this was funny) On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:49 PM, michel wrote: > Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about actually > being on a project under those conditions. > > > Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... > > > Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the best > darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was > said that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all > you need is a crash course to be an expert! > > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Brian" > To: "'Tomcat Users List'" > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM > Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent me > to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of > Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. Then > they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my > time. > I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. > > >> -Original Message- >> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM >> To: Tomcat Users List >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >> >> I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some >> pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in >> Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could >> become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different >> projects. >> >> Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and >> then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned >> ... >> >> I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense. >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Martin Gainty" >> To: "Tomcat Users List" >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM >> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant >> >> >> >> triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a >> 1000 brooks brothers suit >> >> add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg >> >> BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi >> translator for spanish >> >> how about unisys??? >> >> Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU >> Martin Gainty >> __ >> No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias >> >> >> >> >> >> > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 >> > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >> > From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com >> > To: users@tomcat.apache.org >> > >> > I should have copyrights on my name. LOL >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > >> -Original Message- >> > >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] >> > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM >> > >> To: Tomcat Users List >> > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >> > >> >> > >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. >> > > >> > > >> > > Esto si que sonó gracioso. >> > > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios
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Just to mess with you, it's really PL/I ... It was a fantastic, leading edge language that should have had a much better future than it really did. - Original Message - From: "Donald Winston" To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant I was a PL-I expert. That's why I know it's spelled PL-I (roman numerals not arabic. I always thought this was funny) On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:49 PM, michel wrote: Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about actually being on a project under those conditions. Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the best darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was said that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all you need is a crash course to be an expert! - Original Message - From: "Brian" To: "'Tomcat Users List'" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent me to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. Then they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my time. I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. -Original Message- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different projects. Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned ... I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense. - Original Message - From: "Martin Gainty" To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a 1000 brooks brothers suit add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi translator for spanish how about unisys??? Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU Martin Gainty ______ No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > I should have copyrights on my name. LOL > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian wrote: > > > > > >> -Original Message----- > >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM > >> To: Tomcat Users List > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > >> > >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. > > > > > > Esto si que sonó gracioso. > > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de los > > cuales > > se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D > > > > > > > >> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. > >> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of the > >> Big-5. > >> > >> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while > >> Websphere is an application server. > >> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to migrate > >> it > >> to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application > > server. > >> > >> -Jorge > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz > >> wrote: > >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> > Hash: SHA1 > >> > > >> > To whom it may concern, > >> > > >> > On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: > >> >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE > >> >> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are > >> >> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance > >> >> of > >> >> tomcat. > >> > > >> > Wait.
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I was a PL-I expert. That's why I know it's spelled PL-I (roman numerals not arabic. I always thought this was funny) On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:49 PM, michel wrote: > Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about actually > being on a project under those conditions. > > > Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... > > > Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the best > darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was said > that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all you > need is a crash course to be an expert! > > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Brian" > To: "'Tomcat Users List'" > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM > Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent me > to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of > Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. Then > they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my time. > I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. > > >> -Original Message- >> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM >> To: Tomcat Users List >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >> >> I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some >> pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in >> Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could >> become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different >> projects. >> >> Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and >> then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned >> ... >> >> I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense. >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Martin Gainty" >> To: "Tomcat Users List" >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM >> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant >> >> >> >> triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a >> 1000 brooks brothers suit >> >> add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg >> >> BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi >> translator for spanish >> >> how about unisys??? >> >> Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU >> Martin Gainty >> __ >> No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias >> >> >> >> >> >> > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 >> > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >> > From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com >> > To: users@tomcat.apache.org >> > >> > I should have copyrights on my name. LOL >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > >> -Original Message- >> > >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] >> > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM >> > >> To: Tomcat Users List >> > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >> > >> >> > >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. >> > > >> > > >> > > Esto si que sonó gracioso. >> > > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de los >> > > cuales >> > > se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. >> > >> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of >> the >> > >> Big-5. >> > >> >> > >> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while >> > >> Websphere is an application server. >> > >> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to >> migrate >> > >> it >> > >> to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application >> > > server. >> > >> >> > >> -Jorge >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz >> >
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Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about actually being on a project under those conditions. Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the best darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was said that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all you need is a crash course to be an expert! - Original Message - From: "Brian" To: "'Tomcat Users List'" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent me to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. Then they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my time. I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. -Original Message- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different projects. Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned ... I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense. - Original Message - From: "Martin Gainty" To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a 1000 brooks brothers suit add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi translator for spanish how about unisys??? Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU Martin Gainty __ No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > I should have copyrights on my name. LOL > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian wrote: > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM > >> To: Tomcat Users List > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > >> > >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. > > > > > > Esto si que sonó gracioso. > > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de los > > cuales > > se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D > > > > > > > >> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. > >> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of the > >> Big-5. > >> > >> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while > >> Websphere is an application server. > >> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to migrate > >> it > >> to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application > > server. > >> > >> -Jorge > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz > >> wrote: > >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> > Hash: SHA1 > >> > > >> > To whom it may concern, > >> > > >> > On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: > >> >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE > >> >> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are > >> >> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of > >> >> tomcat. > >> > > >> > Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set > >> > it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? > >> > > >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm > >> >> that could provide these services? > >> > > >> > I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very > >> > happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance > >> > of Tomcat for you. > >> > >
RE: Tomcat Consultant
That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent me to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. Then they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my time. I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. > -Original Message- > From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some > pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in > Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could > become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different > projects. > > Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and > then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned > ... > > I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense. > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Gainty" > To: "Tomcat Users List" > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM > Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > > triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a > 1000 brooks brothers suit > > add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg > > BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi > translator for spanish > > how about unisys??? > > Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU > Martin Gainty > __________ > No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 > > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com > > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > > > I should have copyrights on my name. LOL > > > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian wrote: > > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] > > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM > > >> To: Tomcat Users List > > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > >> > > >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. > > > > > > > > > Esto si que sonó gracioso. > > > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de los > > > cuales > > > se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D > > > > > > > > > > > >> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. > > >> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of > the > > >> Big-5. > > >> > > >> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while > > >> Websphere is an application server. > > >> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to > migrate > > >> it > > >> to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application > > > server. > > >> > > >> -Jorge > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz > > >> wrote: > > >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > >> > Hash: SHA1 > > >> > > > >> > To whom it may concern, > > >> > > > >> > On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: > > >> >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE > > >> >> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we > are > > >> >> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of > > >> >> tomcat. > > >> > > > >> > Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set > > >> > it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? > > >> > > > >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting > firm > > >> >> that could provide these services? > > >> > > > >> > I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very > > >> > happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance > > >> > of Tomcat for you. > > >> > > > >> > - -chris > > >&g
Re: Tomcat Consultant
I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different projects. Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned ... I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense. - Original Message - From: "Martin Gainty" To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a 1000 brooks brothers suit add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi translator for spanish how about unisys??? Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU Martin Gainty __ No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com To: users@tomcat.apache.org I should have copyrights on my name. LOL On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM >> To: Tomcat Users List >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >> >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. > > > Esto si que sonó gracioso. > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de los > cuales > se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D > > > >> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. >> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of the >> Big-5. >> >> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while >> Websphere is an application server. >> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to migrate >> it >> to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application > server. >> >> -Jorge >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz >> wrote: >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > To whom it may concern, >> > >> > On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: >> >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE >> >> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are >> >> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of >> >> tomcat. >> > >> > Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set >> > it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? >> > >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm >> >> that could provide these services? >> > >> > I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very >> > happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance >> > of Tomcat for you. >> > >> > - -chris >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) >> > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >> > >> > >> iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+ >> A27 >> > dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas >> > =vADj >> > -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> > >> > - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >> > >> > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat Consultant
triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a 1000 brooks brothers suit add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi translator for spanish how about unisys??? Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU Martin Gainty __ No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > I should have copyrights on my name. LOL > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian wrote: > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM > >> To: Tomcat Users List > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > >> > >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. > > > > > > Esto si que sonó gracioso. > > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de los cuales > > se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D > > > > > > > >> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. > >> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of the > >> Big-5. > >> > >> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while > >> Websphere is an application server. > >> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to migrate it > >> to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application > > server. > >> > >> -Jorge > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz > >> wrote: > >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> > Hash: SHA1 > >> > > >> > To whom it may concern, > >> > > >> > On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: > >> >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE > >> >> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are > >> >> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of > >> >> tomcat. > >> > > >> > Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set > >> > it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? > >> > > >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm > >> >> that could provide these services? > >> > > >> > I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very > >> > happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance > >> > of Tomcat for you. > >> > > >> > - -chris > >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > >> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > >> > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > >> > > >> > > >> iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+ > >> A27 > >> > dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas > >> > =vADj > >> > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > >> > > >> > - > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >
Re: Tomcat Consultant
I should have copyrights on my name. LOL On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM >> To: Tomcat Users List >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant >> >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. > > > Esto si que sonó gracioso. > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de los cuales > se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D > > > >> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. >> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of the >> Big-5. >> >> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while >> Websphere is an application server. >> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to migrate it >> to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application > server. >> >> -Jorge >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz >> wrote: >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > To whom it may concern, >> > >> > On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: >> >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE >> >> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are >> >> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of >> >> tomcat. >> > >> > Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set >> > it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? >> > >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm >> >> that could provide these services? >> > >> > I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very >> > happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance >> > of Tomcat for you. >> > >> > - -chris >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) >> > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >> > >> > >> iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+ >> A27 >> > dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas >> > =vADj >> > -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> > >> > - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >> > >> > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat Consultant
> -Original Message- > From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. Esto si que sonó gracioso. Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de los cuales se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D > You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. > But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of the > Big-5. > > Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while > Websphere is an application server. > Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to migrate it > to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application server. > > -Jorge > > > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz > wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > To whom it may concern, > > > > On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: > >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE > >> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are > >> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of > >> tomcat. > > > > Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set > > it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? > > > >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm > >> that could provide these services? > > > > I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very > > happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance > > of Tomcat for you. > > > > - -chris > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+ > A27 > > dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas > > =vADj > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of the Big-5. Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while Websphere is an application server. Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to migrate it to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application server. -Jorge On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > To whom it may concern, > > On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE >> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are >> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of >> tomcat. > > Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set it > up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? > >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm >> that could provide these services? > > I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very happy > to take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance of Tomcat > for you. > > - -chris > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+A27 > dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas > =vADj > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To whom it may concern, On 9/24/2010 2:03 PM, tdelesio wrote: > HAHA. Opps I meant clustered. Honestly, if you have some in-house Java developers, they ought to be able to get a clustered setup working and demonstrable in a few hours. > When you say top 5 which companies are you referring to? Perhaps I'm showing my US-biased thought processes: in the US there are 5 companies that do "consulting" without any possibility of further refining the word. They will "consult" with you to define and implement your ERP strategy, design and code your Facebook-killing social network, debug your home air conditioning unit, and help raise your children while you're at work. http://www.independent-consulting-bootcamp.com/Big-5-consulting-firm.html Note that I don't personally agree with the adulatory style of writing contained in the above page. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyc/LYACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PC1WwCZAfmo3Q7jVC4NYv88aiZpw/3k WygAnRnvIuDJgx9OOvtfpXGQgC9n5JFt =yxnO -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian, On 9/24/2010 2:29 PM, Brian wrote: > This company LOOKS like specialists: http://www.mulesoft.com/tomcat-support I've never heard of Tcat, supposedly "the Apache Tomcat app server for the enterprise". Beware. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyc+4AACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PBmngCgmDgY2S55+JmGRkI5kJQOEDiC trAAnRhaSSK/OF98vcMFDZ/ynvQ7hfIL =VPZl -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
At least two of the regular supporters of this mailing list work in spring source and one is one of the main committers to the tomcat project. To me that speaks wonders for the company. I've been trying to get my company to get them in for consultation too. To no avail. Wes On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Warren Henning wrote: > http://www.springsource.com/support/professional-services > > SpringSource claims to be able to do this kind of thing. They were the > first google result for "tomcat consultant." Did you not search for > that or did you disregard it? > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:25 AM, tdelesio wrote: >> >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE web app >> over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are looking for a >> consultant to setup a crusted production instance of tomcat. Does anyone >> have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm that could provide >> these services? > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat Consultant
This company LOOKS like specialists: http://www.mulesoft.com/tomcat-support > -Original Message- > From: Christopher Schultz [mailto:ch...@christopherschultz.net] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:58 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > To whom it may concern, > > On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: > > My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE > > web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are > > looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of > > tomcat. > > Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set it up, do > you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? > > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm > > that could provide these services? > > I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very happy to > take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance of Tomcat for > you. > > - -chris > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+ > A27 > dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas > =vADj > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
HAHA. Opps I meant clustered. When you say top 5 which companies are you referring to? -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Tomcat-Consultant-tp29800839p29801197.html Sent from the Tomcat - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
http://www.springsource.com/support/professional-services SpringSource claims to be able to do this kind of thing. They were the first google result for "tomcat consultant." Did you not search for that or did you disregard it? On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:25 AM, tdelesio wrote: > > My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE web app > over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are looking for a > consultant to setup a crusted production instance of tomcat. Does anyone > have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm that could provide > these services? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To whom it may concern, On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: > My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE > web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are > looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of > tomcat. Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? > Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm > that could provide these services? I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance of Tomcat for you. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+A27 dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas =vADj -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
