Self crashing apps. Re: Most Stable OS
Netscape's favorite tactic is scribbling over itself in memory, at least on Windows. How do I tell if a Mac app crash is due to the app overwriting part of its main executable in RAM? At any rate, especially after 20+ years, _I_ find it amazing that programmers still haven't come up with a 99.999% perfect way of keeping applications from doing this, no matter what OS or platform. :P How hard can it be for the app to look around and see that its current memory location starts at _this_ address and ends at _that_ one, then create a temporary file saying Thou shall NOT write ANYTHING upon thyself.??? I'm sick of seeing NETSCAPE.EXE caused a (pick an error) in NETSCAPE.EXE. Bleagh. I suppose I'd need a debugger loaded to catch Mac apps blowing their own bits out? All systems can do with these bad app-les is to quarrantine them and sweep up the debris. Win NT/2K, OSX, Linux etc can do that. Mac System/OS 9.1 and older and WinMe/9x/3.xx can't. Its still best to reboot after an app crashes, no telling what little nuggets its left behind just waiting to cause some normally stable app to blow up. --- James S Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Part of the problem with Netscape 2.0 to 4.7x is that it was designed to be internally multithreaded, using a Netscape thread manager, rather than a system one*. The root of this came from Mac System 7 and 16-bit Windows. Those systems didn't have thread managers. The result is a monstrously monolithic and huge application, which uses so many resources that it can block the system I/O queues, even on multithreaded, pre-emptive multitasking systems like OS/2 or Win9x (although perhaps not NT). The system has to be rebooted because you can't get back to the Finder/WorkPlace Shell/Explorer to kill it when it hangs. To their credit, this design provided some real benefits on a 68k Mac. I can be downloading something while sending an email or reading a web page, etc. *I think NS 4.x actually uses a system thread manager extension for OS 7.5.5 and earlier. = The earth swarms with inhabitants. Why then should nature, which is fruitful to an excess here, be so very barren in the rest of the planets? Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686 [EMAIL PROTECTED] My ICQ# 16024947 __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Self crashing apps. Re: Most Stable OS
This is one of the advantages of Netscape on the classic Mac OS. Any application creates it's own memory partition and only the most remarkably buggy apps will overwrite another app's partition (maybe something not 32-bit clean?). Netscape and some others go one step further. Once it has a partition, it never releases it back to the system*. If you quit NS and restart it, it will use exactly the same space it previously occupied. I suspect that one reason NS will freeze the system if you restart it after it crashes is that it tries to reclaim that space, but the system sees as a new app trying to overwrite another's partition and it traps the protection violation. I don't necessarily reboot immediately after all apps abend, but I would never try to run some, like NS, without rebooting. *So, if you've allocated 24 MB of your 128 MB to Netscape and then close it, you will not get that memory back for other applications without rebooting. Gregg Eshelman wrote: All systems can do with these bad app-les is to quarrantine them and sweep up the debris. Win NT/2K, OSX, Linux etc can do that. Mac System/OS 9.1 and older and WinMe/9x/3.xx can't. Its still best to reboot after an app crashes, no telling what little nuggets its left behind just waiting to cause some normally stable app to blow up. -- /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / No HTML/RTF in email X No Word docs in email / \ Respect for open standards -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Wierd old external hard drive... any ideas on how to power it up?
I dared to try powering the HD off the floppy port of the Plus, using that odd cable that fitted both ends, and it worked great! Thanks to everyone for their comments on- and off-list... Mike Evans -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Self crashing apps. Re: Most Stable OS
--- James S Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is one of the advantages of Netscape on the classic Mac OS. Any application creates it's own memory partition and only the most remarkably buggy apps will overwrite another app's partition (maybe something not 32-bit clean?). Netscape and some others go one step further. Once it has a partition, it never releases it back to the system*. If you quit NS and restart it, it will use exactly the same space it previously occupied. I suspect that one reason NS will freeze the system if you restart it after it crashes is that it tries to reclaim that space, but the system sees as a new app trying to overwrite another's partition and it traps the protection violation. I don't necessarily reboot immediately after all apps abend, but I would never try to run some, like NS, without rebooting. *So, if you've allocated 24 MB of your 128 MB to Netscape and then close it, you will not get that memory back for other applications without rebooting. No wonder Jump Development said you shouldn't even think about thinking about using RAM Charger on Netscape. :P (Another nasty bit with Netscape is it's not fully Smart Scroll Aware, the thumbs are fixed at the default size.) At Netscape, we read the programming manuals for the OS, then do what they say NOT to do! = The earth swarms with inhabitants. Why then should nature, which is fruitful to an excess here, be so very barren in the rest of the planets? Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686 [EMAIL PROTECTED] My ICQ# 16024947 __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
RAM Charger.
Who all here uses RAM Charger? OK, how many RAM Charger users also own a non Vintage Mac with OS 8.5 through 9.1? Of course you know that using RAM Charger on OS 8.5 or 8.6 is a bit iffy and it doesn't work on 9.x. Sooo, now that work on the classic Mac OS has been terminated (supposedly) Apple won't be dinking with the OS bits that gave RAM Charger fits with OS 8.5 and up. Makes me wonder if it was deliberate sabotage by Apple because they couldn't/wouldn't come up with better memory management and hated being shown up? ;) IMHO, Apple shoulda bought out Jump Dev. or licensed their technology to improve the Mac for all Mac users. (But nooo, just like several other bits they left it to the aftermarket to do it better.) How about we start e-mailing Jump Development asking for one more update to RAM Charger? I'm sure there are plenty more enhancements possible for 68k and PowerMacs in the area of memory management! Maybe they can even tame Netscape. :) = The earth swarms with inhabitants. Why then should nature, which is fruitful to an excess here, be so very barren in the rest of the planets? Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686 [EMAIL PROTECTED] My ICQ# 16024947 __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Most stable OS
Very off topic, please excuse me. Maybe this tread will help some body. I hope. Not my words but those that may come David Robinson wrote: The problem with that is that my crashes usually occur only when working. For example, I may be using Pagemaker 6.5, and/or Photoshop 5.5, with Netscape at the same time and she'll crash. Not all the time, just some times. FWIW we have found netscape doesn't play well with other apps. Would like to recommend IE5 but that will crash itself on a bad day, good browser thou. Appleworks runs hot and cold but the new update goes along way to fix that finally. I'd be interested to know how often Pagemaker or PS5.5 crashes by themselves. We have trouble browsing with these open sometimes. Quark4+ and appleshareIP (6.+) dont get along at all. The new quark might fix that? MYOB doesn't like netscape much. The firewire 450 imac insists on trying to connect a invisible server every now and then, locking up up the startup until the servers folder is removed from the system folder. 9.0.4 bug fixed in 9.1 I think, like the one that records all your cd burning history and memory leaks. Our 7300/g3/400 has some trouble finding DHCP on a cold boot and will, at times, pause for 30 seconds (seconds in the bar clock stop, mouse free) about every 5 minutes for that reason I think, sometimes this 2 or 3 hours into work. Most recently, (on at least three occasions) the computer wouldn't start all the way up. Just to the desktop and it locks up. Then of course, you have to do a forced restart. Then, sometimes, it crashes with just one application running. It's really screwy. We found 8.6 very stable with 128 ram, not good with 64 thou, go back to 8.1 I'm looking for another 128 before trying OS9.1 on the 7300. every bit helps. :) especially with a older mac. A zip drive formatted on 9.0.4 and the drive itself plug into the 7300 running 8.1 will work fine but the data transferred from the 8.1 onto the disk comes up invalid when read under 9.0.4. Would this be a HFS, HFS extended problem? There is a great depth of knowledge of all sorts on this list. I humbly thank all new and old members for the topics shared. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Handgun ban sig
Listen nanny don't you have anything better to do like wash behind your ears before you have your milk and cookies before your bedtime? In any case, the nanny is a nanny for the reason. It would logically seem to me that he is here to keep things in check. Perhaps next time I see a copper directing traffic at an accident I'll pull over and abuse him for doing his job. Peace, Aqua -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Most stable OS
I really don't use it very much. Acutally, I hate it. But with all this nasty comment about Netscape I thought I'd try it for a while and see if IE Express worked better (fewer crashes while working in apps) than Netscape. Frankly, I prefer Netscape. But if it's as buggy as everyone seems to think then I need to try an alternative. Odd. Never had any trouble with 2.02 on my workstation IIci (IIci, 24MB RAM, 8*24*GC, cache card, Farallon EtherWave NuBus, 7.1 + Thread Manager). -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The best of all: God is with us. -- John Wesley -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Most stable OS
You might consider using Eudora, by far the best e-mail app, that I know of, and there are nice 68k versions available. In my experience Netscape runs much nicer on 68030 macs than IE. Netscape 2.02 is the fastest, but on a IIfx Netscape 3 and 4 work pretty well. IE is dog slow. You might consider iCab too, though it is not as fast as netscape 2.02. Netscape becoming buggy starts with version 6, a ppc only product and therefore totally off topic for this list. Godzilla runs pretty nice btw. I really don't use it very much. Acutally, I hate it. But with all this nasty comment about Netscape I thought I'd try it for a while and see if IE Express worked better (fewer crashes while working in apps) than Netscape. Frankly, I prefer Netscape. But if it's as buggy as everyone seems to think then I need to try an alternative. David Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Most stable OS
--- David Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding Pagmaker 6.5, it crasher quite frequently on it's on. I beginning to wonder if I should have stayed with my old friend Pagemaker 6.0. PM 6.5 crashed this morning as I was attempting to run Outlook Express. David Its always so much fun to have your Mac say... Umm, this application just quit itself and I don't know why, maybe I do but it would just confuse you if I told you. Why don't you try running it again and see if it does that again? Woops! It quit itself again. Have another go-round? Hey! Look at that, its running! I'm still trying to find out what a -671 error is. = The earth swarms with inhabitants. Why then should nature, which is fruitful to an excess here, be so very barren in the rest of the planets? Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686 [EMAIL PROTECTED] My ICQ# 16024947 __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: RAM Charger
Who all here uses RAM Charger? OK, how many RAM Charger users also own a non Vintage Mac with OS 8.5 through 9.1? Of course you know that using RAM Charger on OS 8.5 or 8.6 is a bit iffy and it doesn't work on 9.x. Sooo, now that work on the classic Mac OS has been terminated (supposedly) Apple won't be dinking with the OS bits that gave RAM Charger fits with OS 8.5 and up. Makes me wonder if it was deliberate sabotage by Apple because they couldn't/wouldn't come up with better memory management and hated being shown up? ;) IMHO, Apple shoulda bought out Jump Dev. or licensed their technology to improve the Mac for all Mac users. (But nooo, just like several other bits they left it to the aftermarket to do it better.) How about we start e-mailing Jump Development asking for one more update to RAM Charger? I'm sure there are plenty more enhancements possible for 68k and PowerMacs in the area of memory management! Maybe they can even tame Netscape. :) I second this. I had RAM Charger working with 9.0.4 (miracle), but 9.1 finally broke it. I'll take all the updates to it to get it to tame Memory Management on Systems 7 through 9. -- Randy OS X - UNIX for the rest of us -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
fx termination
I tried to post this question the other day, but it hasn't appeared on the last two digests, here it is again: Does the black terminator used for external SCSI devices with the MacIIfx have a green led? I'm being given one, and want to use the correct terminator... tia, scb -- Scott Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- As far as anyone can determine, John Henry was hired as a steel-driver for the CO Railroad, a wealthy company that was extending its line from the Chesapeake Bay to the Ohio Valley... - John Henry: The Man; Facts, Fiction and Themes -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Handgun ban sig, personal attacks
Listen nanny don't you have anything better to do like wash behind your ears before you have your milk and cookies before your bedtime? In any case, the nanny is a nanny for the reason. It would logically seem to me that he is here to keep things in check. Perhaps next time I see a copper directing traffic at an accident I'll pull over and abuse him for doing his job. Last night I had a look at this bloke's (Chris Wood) homepage. http://cs.hbg.psu.edu/~cjw152/ Although the pride flag is prominently displayed on the page, he hasn't got much to be proud about, on the contrary. Huh ? Since you brought it up Marten, I had to check too. It looks to me like he's just interested in Linux on Macs. Big Deal. Is that a reason to launch a personal attack on the guy on a public list ? I can't defend him for the childish milk and cookies thing, but I don't see why he deserves this. ?!?!?!? Blah! #@%%! An agent of Dark Side, and a dangerous one without morals that is! What does any of this have to do with the guy's morals or lack thereof ? He may be a Republican, which is regrettable IMHO, but he's young and maybe he'll come around. Changing a server from UNIX to NT was part of his job. Should he have resigned in protest ? It looks good on his CV to most people. How many employers do you know who want to pay someone a handsome salary to maintain their network of Vintage Macs ? ok there might be a few, but you know what I mean... On his 'interests' page he states that he 'no longer uses the mac os'. He still must be interested in and know something about the Mac OS. The fact that a guy has stopped using the operating system of a greedy corporation, who thinks that it's just fine to have its hardware assembled and packaged by Southeast Asian children working 14 hour days, in favor of Mr Torvald's little deal is ambitious and ideologically admirable from where I sit, even though that's probably not why he did it. It most certainly does not in and of itself point to moral bankruptcy. The fact that I don't do so myself has more to do with my inability and lack of time than with any devotion to Apple Computer's shareholders, who would swiftly punish the unprofitable appearance of anything resembling morals in Cupertino. I use the Mac OS because I like it and because I know how to, up to a point. I belong to this list and a couple of others for enjoyment, learning, and personal improvement. The day something easier, better, and free come along will probably be the day I switch too. I owe zero allegiance to Apple's investors. I simply like the company's product. The computer he owns is an old umax with a g3 upgrade running linux. Not a word about liking vintage macs. I gotta believe he likes Vintage Macs or he would not be here. What business is it of yours anyway ? You wouldn't know why I'm here either, if I hadn't told you. Are you gonna go look at my home page and blast me too, if I don't rise to your standard of minimum acceptable Apple devotion ? How much of an Apple sicophant must I be to escape your wrath ? Handgun crime in Britain has increased more than 40% since the handgun ban of 1997. I can't help laughing as I visualize Wyatt Earp, Yosemite Sam, and other caricatures of the ridiculous armed citizen/good guy type who supposedly deters crime, riding around Britain with GW Bush and a possee of Texans, spurs 'a jinglin, janglin, stamping out crime... IMHO, the Listmom should seriously consider a new advisory regarding these controversial sigs. Just a week ago, a large series of inflammatory posts were made on another list, provoked by one persons religious sig and another's objection to it. Nobody would find such a sig appropriate in a diverse workplace and they don't really seem germaine or appropriate to a diverse Maclist either. I enjoy a little controversy myself and don't mind people going a bit off topic, but I realize that there are others who do not. Political and religiously provocative sigs are powerful temptations for people to blast others. They are easily more powerful than most people's desire to stay on topic. If you really want people to stay on topic, then perhaps banning religious and political sigs would be a productive step in that direction. Just a thought. I know I'm not the listmom or owner of this or any other list. Sorry for going/being off topic myself. MJF -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send
Re: Handgun ban sig
If they take away our Macs, we can get by. If they take away our guns, we will all perish in tyranny. -- Paul/. 95 black 3000GT VR-4 98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit formerly reasonable and prudent Too many (hand)guns to count!!! on 7/25/01 11:04, Paul Stamsen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled: I wrote the questions to see if anyone would like to think about the sig and discuss it, not to generate heat. I have taken it to M2M:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sorry for the initial mis-posting, but if anyone wants to argue with me on it, that's where I'll be. - /\ oPaul \__/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Co-Conspirator to make the world a better place... Find out about HeroicStories, Heartwarmers and Straight from the Heart. Send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] See: http://www.HeroicStories.com and http://www.heartwarmers.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
A funny search result for Error -671. :)
I've been trying to find out what the heck a Mac Error -671 is, so I popped Error -671 (use the quotes) into http://www.dogpile.com Scroll down to where it says Are you looking for: One of the suggestions is Bill Gates Home. LOL! Now I know what is causing Error -671. All that FUD from Redmond. ;) = The earth swarms with inhabitants. Why then should nature, which is fruitful to an excess here, be so very barren in the rest of the planets? Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686 [EMAIL PROTECTED] My ICQ# 16024947 __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Handgun ban sig, personal attacks
What does any of this have to do with the guy's morals or lack thereof ? He may be a Republican, which is regrettable IMHO, but he's young and maybe he'll come around. Changing a server from UNIX to NT was part of his job. Should he have resigned in protest ? Yep. Consider Microsoft just like nazi Germany: either you collaborate and get blood on your hands (blood that will never wash off) or you resist and take the difficult road, but help making this world a better place. The unemployment rate was very low in 2000. I would have started looking for some other job. I certainly wouldn't have been so proud of selling my soul to the devil, that I'd put it in my resume. He still must be interested in and know something about the Mac OS. The fact that a guy has stopped using the operating system of a greedy corporation, who thinks that it's just fine to have its hardware assembled and packaged by Southeast Asian children working 14 hour days, in favor of Mr Torvald's little deal is ambitious and ideologically admirable from where I sit, even though that's probably not why he did it. It most certainly does not in and of itself point to moral bankruptcy. Singapore and Taiwan are just as rich as the USA, so I don't think you'll see much poor southeast asian children working for Apple. Anyway, investing in poor countries and cheap labour will help these countries to develop themselves. What's bad about that? And now back on topic! Long live Apple and long live the Mac OS!!! -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: fx termination
Sounds like an active terminator, which should work better than the Special Black IIfx one. Termination power must be provided to the bus, either by the host adaptor (Mac) or one of the drives to use an active terminator. Its generally not a good idea to have more than two devices providing termination power to the bus. Set one device to provide power to the bus and the rest to provide termination power only to themselves or disable it on them. --- Desert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Mac IIfx terminator is black with no green light. -- Paul/. 95 black 3000GT VR-4 98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit formerly reasonable and prudent on 7/25/01 10:15, Scott Barber at [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled: I tried to post this question the other day, but it hasn't appeared on the last two digests, here it is again: Does the black terminator used for external SCSI devices with the MacIIfx have a green led? I'm being given one, and want to use the correct terminator... = The earth swarms with inhabitants. Why then should nature, which is fruitful to an excess here, be so very barren in the rest of the planets? Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686 [EMAIL PROTECTED] My ICQ# 16024947 __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Most stable OS
on 7/25/01 1:37 PM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't use it very much. Acutally, I hate it. But with all this nasty comment about Netscape I thought I'd try it for a while and see if IE Express worked better (fewer crashes while working in apps) than Netscape. Frankly, I prefer Netscape. But if it's as buggy as everyone seems to think then I need to try an alternative. David I prefer IE and Outlook Express. I've had almost no problems with crashes. I used to use Netscape for web and email but I actually had more problems with Netscape than with M$ (sad to say). -- *** Amber Rhea *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tangerinecs.com/~amber -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Handgun ban sig, personal attacks
on 7/25/01 1:37 PM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Political and religiously provocative sigs are powerful temptations for people to blast others. They are easily more powerful than most people's desire to stay on They are TEMPTATIONS. People on a worldwide internet list (or anywhere, for that matter) need to be mature enough to control themselves and not start a flame war every time someone exhibits an idea they don't agree with. Most people have one sig that they use for all their email. Should they change their sig specifically to placate a percetange of the people on one mailing list? If you really want people to stay on topic, then perhaps banning religious and political sigs would be a productive step in that direction. Seems like a bit of an extreme step. If this measure were taken I would unsubscribe. But I don¹t think Dan Knight would go that far. In the 16th century, they banned books and burned people at the stake for expressing dissenting opinions -- *** Amber Rhea *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tangerinecs.com/~amber -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Handgun ban sig, personal attacks
Amber Rhea wrote: on 7/25/01 1:37 PM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Political and religiously provocative sigs are powerful temptations for people to blast others. They are easily more powerful than most people's desire to stay on Seems like a bit of an extreme step. If this measure were taken I would unsubscribe. But I don1t think Dan Knight would go that far. In the 16th century, they banned books and burned people at the stake for expressing dissenting opinions Dissidence, the very heart of democracy indeed it is the wheel that drives democracy forward. If they drive a stake through the heart how can the system survive or if the puncture the wheels how will the vehicle move forward? I may hate your views but I will fight to death to protect your right to free expression of your opinions. just my 2 cents... Peter. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Handgun ban sig
I founbd out the correct address for M2M is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry for the mis-information, but if anyone wants to discuss it, that's where I'll be. - /\ oPaul \__/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Co-Conspirator to make the world a better place... Find out about HeroicStories, Heartwarmers and Straight from the Heart. Send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] See: http://www.HeroicStories.com and http://www.heartwarmers.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Vintage Macs, Handguns, and Signatures
First reminder -- this is the VINTAGE Macs list. It's for Macs with 68030 and earlier processors. By the once-removed rule, you can discuss '040-based Macs here if you're not on the Quadra list. This is not a Power Mac list. We run three different lists for different classes of Power Macs. They are the place for dealing with Power Mac, OS 8.5 and beyond, PPC-only applications, etc. Besides, you're much more likely to get helpful advice from Power Mac users than from Vintage Mac users on those topics. No, how do I put a FireWire/USB card in my IIfx. ;-) Second issue -- from the netiquette page, You can wander into other Mac-related topics, but try to limit discussion to Mac-related topics (politics, religion, and a lot of other things are off topic as far as Mac lists are concerned). Always treat others courteously. Handguns and the right to bear arms (which varies depending on which country you're in -- remember, this isn't a US-only list) fall under the category of politics. Third issue -- signatures. Again from the netiquette page, Avoid vulgar and offensive taglines. Signatures are your chance to express yourself, so we try to avoid policing them. Taglines after the poster's name are not considered part of the posting; it is acceptable to use them to promote your political, religious, automotive, academic, or computing platform biases. 'Nuff said. Dan the listmom -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Handgun ban sig, personal attacks
They are TEMPTATIONS. People on a worldwide internet list (or anywhere, for that matter) need to be mature enough to control themselves Religion and Wayne Gretzky last week. Guns this week. So far so not good in the self control dept. Seems like a bit of an extreme step. If this measure were taken I would unsubscribe. I wouldn't. It's not the public library. It's his list. Done. MJF -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Most stable OS
Gregg Eshelman wrote: I'm still trying to find out what a -671 error is. -671 is a connection proccesses error usually associated with an Open Transport crash. Kyle H. Hansen -- Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? George W. Bush -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: my stash of Macs
just a brief defence of 486 machines, I am a mac fan but I also have several 486 machines that are quite useful... The only thing you need in an old 486 to make it useful is lots of ram, if you can squeeze 32 megs or more in you can run a nice distro of linux... I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card... system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it has open transport built right in. - Original Message - I always tell people, as long as your MAC does exactly what you need it to do,then it's still a very useful machine...unlike most 286's, 386's, 486's, IBM PC jr's etc -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
7.7.5 update. Re: my stash of Macs
--- RomRider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just a brief defence of 486 machines, I am a mac fan but I also have several 486 machines that are quite useful... The only thing you need in an old 486 to make it useful is lots of ram, if you can squeeze 32 megs or more in you can run a nice distro of linux... I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card... system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it has open transport built right in. ftp://ftp.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/System_7.5.5_Update/ If you aren't English-North_American, just back up a few directory levels and drill down again. After installing 7.5.5 you should install OT 1.1.1 followed immediately (after reboot) OT 1.1.2, both of which are also on ftp.apple.com somewhere. :) P.S. See the FAQ URL which is somewhere in the footer of every message you get on this list. :) = The earth swarms with inhabitants. Why then should nature, which is fruitful to an excess here, be so very barren in the rest of the planets? Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686 [EMAIL PROTECTED] My ICQ# 16024947 __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: my stash of Macs
I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card... system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it has open transport built right in. I see the 7.5.5 update mentioned on http://lowendmac.com/macos.shtml. -- - Bob Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my garage sale http://www.ibrb.org/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: fx termination
Scott Barber wrote: Does the black terminator used for external SCSI devices with the MacIIfx have a green led? I'm being given one, and want to use the correct terminator... IMHO the special fx terminator isn't needed for short distances. SCSI is specified to work over a long distance that most of us never encounter. Longer distances require more ideal termination (i.e. impedance matching). My fx has always worked fine with standard external SCSI termination at lengths up to 4 feet, and I bet it would go up to at least 10 feet with no problem. Gamba http://www.accesscom.com/~gamba -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: fx termination
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Barber wrote: Does the black terminator used for external SCSI devices with the MacIIfx have a green led? I'm being given one, and want to use the correct terminator... IMHO the special fx terminator isn't needed for short distances. SCSI is specified to work over a long distance that most of us never encounter. Longer distances require more ideal termination (i.e. impedance matching). My fx has always worked fine with standard external SCSI termination at lengths up to 4 feet, and I bet it would go up to at least 10 feet with no problem. Gamba http://www.accesscom.com/~gamba There is an article somewhere at apple.com which tells which IIfx models need the special terminators. IIfx shipped prior to (some date) need the special external terminator and an internal SCSI filter or internal special terminator if not using an internal drive. (Who would ever have ordered, let alone used, a IIfx without an internal HD?) IIfx shipped after that date do not require any of the special terminators or filters. Apparently at some point Apple fixed the problem. Unfortunately they didn't put any easily identifiable marking on the logic boards or anywhere else to tell which are the revised ones. :P Someone had a website with a Mac serial number decoder so you could tell when your Mac was built, but Apple threw a fit and threatened to engage in lawyer tossing over it. The first power up date in PRAM is not a sure fire indicator of how old the Mac is. If you leave the PRAM battery out or dead long enough the PRAM will totally erase and lose that setting. = The earth swarms with inhabitants. Why then should nature, which is fruitful to an excess here, be so very barren in the rest of the planets? Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686 [EMAIL PROTECTED] My ICQ# 16024947 __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII type 28 error
At 22:03 -0700 on 24/07/01, Jeff Garrison wrote: -Original Message- From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:12 PM Subject: Re: LCIII type 28 error At 12:43 -0400 on 24/07/01, Chelley Vician wrote: Methinks FWB and 7.5.5 don't get along too well; try upgrading to 7.6.1 or downgrading to 7.1 Update 3 and see what happens. 7.5.x was generally pretty buggy compared to 7.1 or 7.6. My LCIII that has a Performa 475 motherboard was used to test a mountain of external CD ROMS yesterday. It's got 7.5.5 and they were coexisting quite well, thank you. How do you know you have the same version of FWB that Chelley does? p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
manufacture date Re: fx termination
--- Kyle Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gregg Eshelman wrote: Unfortunately they didn't put any easily identifiable marking on the logic boards or anywhere else to tell which are the revised ones. :P Someone had a website with a Mac serial number decoder so you could tell when your Mac was built, I can tell you how to decode it on an old model. The first character or 2 are letters. It/they denote the plant that the Mac was made in. The next digit is the last # of the year, and the following 2 digits are the week it was made. So if you have a serial # that says: F4420351PT it was manufactured in the 42nd week of 1994 at the Fremont California plant. That could also be 1994. :) = The earth swarms with inhabitants. Why then should nature, which is fruitful to an excess here, be so very barren in the rest of the planets? Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686 [EMAIL PROTECTED] My ICQ# 16024947 __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: manufacture date Re: fx termination
--- Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Kyle Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gregg Eshelman wrote: Unfortunately they didn't put any easily identifiable marking on the logic boards or anywhere else to tell which are the revised ones. :P Someone had a website with a Mac serial number decoder so you could tell when your Mac was built, I can tell you how to decode it on an old model. The first character or 2 are letters. It/they denote the plant that the Mac was made in. The next digit is the last # of the year, and the following 2 digits are the week it was made. So if you have a serial # that says: F4420351PT it was manufactured in the 42nd week of 1994 at the Fremont California plant. That could also be 1994. :) DOH! 1984... Nine-Teen Eighty-Four. = The earth swarms with inhabitants. Why then should nature, which is fruitful to an excess here, be so very barren in the rest of the planets? Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686 [EMAIL PROTECTED] My ICQ# 16024947 __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: manufacture date Re: fx termination
Gregg Eshelman wrote: That could also be 1994. :) DOH! 1984... Nine-Teen Eighty-Four. I was wondering what you were talking about. Yes. It could also be 1984, but it wasn't a Plus so you have to use a process of elimination to figure it out. I *know* your smart enough to know what year a mac came out Gregg. -- Kyle H. Hansen Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? --George W. Bush -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: manufacture date Re: fx termination
the pickle wrote: Considering that the IIfx was made from 1990-1992 or thereabouts, finding a serial number starting with 4 is probably pretty unlikely, but then I would guess Kyle was just giving an example :) Bingo! We have a winner. That serial was just an example taken from a Performa 475 that I was using as a foot-stool/Ram checker. -- Kyle H. Hansen Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? --George W. Bush -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: my stash of Macs
Lisa Would that be a Lisa 1 or a Lisa 2? Either way, I'm jealous... my girlfriend thinks I've gone off the DEEP END... :) We moved to a two-bedroom apartment to accomodate all our computers (okay, so most of them are MY computers!) But now I'm starting to think we need THREE bedrooms! -- Amber Rhea [EMAIL PROTECTED] I spent eleven long years in a hot house zone I spent twentynine more trying to get home Well I never got home, but I did what I did And I got myself this house and you can't come in - Shawn Colvin -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: my stash of Macs
Amber Rhea wrote: Lisa Would that be a Lisa 1 or a Lisa 2? Either way, I'm jealous... I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2. I'm wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it. I have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna sell, but that trade -- Kyle H. Hansen Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? --George W. Bush -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
browsers and email on vintage Macs (was Re: Most stable OS)
on 7/25/01 4:21 PM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer IE and Outlook Express. I've had almost no problems with crashes. I used to use Netscape for web and email but I actually had more problems with Netscape than with M$ (sad to say). And you run these programs on a 68030 mac? Oh, heavens no! You almost gave me heart failure there. :) I should have been more clear. People were discussing their PowerMacs, so I thought I'd chip in; I run IE and Outlook on my G4. On my Color Classic I run Netscape 2 and use NiftyTelnet for email. On my Classic I run NCSA Mosaic 1.03, and I have Eudora Lite 1.5.5 installed, though I rarely check email from that machine. Netscape 2, Eudora Lite, and NiftyTelnet are all also present on the SE/30. -- Amber Rhea [EMAIL PROTECTED] I spent eleven long years in a hot house zone I spent twentynine more trying to get home Well I never got home, but I did what I did And I got myself this house and you can't come in - Shawn Colvin -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: my stash of Macs
At 14:21 -0700 on 25/07/01, Kyle Hansen wrote: Amber Rhea wrote: Lisa Would that be a Lisa 1 or a Lisa 2? Either way, I'm jealous... I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2. I'm wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it. I have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna sell, but that trade Considering I haven't seen a Lisa 2 sell for under $500 any time recently, I'd say a stripped beige G3 is probably a decent trade. p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
IIsi and Daystar Turbo040
I just now finally had the opportunity to test out my IIsi with the Turbo040, thanks to the adapter John Ruschmeyer from LEMSwap so kindly sent me. As we all know, though, these things seldom go smoothly. When I started up the IIsi with the Turbo040 in it (on the adapter card, of course) and the cache attached, all I got was a sputtering noise from the Mac, and some fast blinking from the green power LED. I removed the Turbo040 card and adapter entirely. The IIsi booted fine. I removed the cache from the Turbo040 and tried it with the accelerator alone and the adapter. Same sputtering response from the Mac. I removed the accelerator but left the adapter card in the computer. It booted fine. Is a bad Turbo040 the only possibility here? (Guess I can't complain too much, I did get it for only $20, but still!) -- Amber Rhea [EMAIL PROTECTED] I spent eleven long years in a hot house zone I spent twentynine more trying to get home Well I never got home, but I did what I did And I got myself this house and you can't come in - Shawn Colvin -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: my stash of Macs
At 15:04 -0700 on 25/07/01, Gene Osburn wrote: From: RomRider [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: my stash of Macs Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:25:59 -0600 I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card... system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it has open transport built right in. You would *REALLY* love it with System 7.1 -- much quicker and easier on RAM demands. You would, however, need to add other bits and pieces for Yeah, man, I can't believe I didn't notice that the first time. Sheesh, running 7.5.5 on an LC is sheer horror. You would love it a LOT more with 7.1 or even 6.0.8. p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIsi and Daystar Turbo040
At 18:13 -0400 on 25/07/01, Amber Rhea wrote: When I started up the IIsi with the Turbo040 in it (on the adapter card, of course) and the cache attached, all I got was a sputtering noise from the Mac, and some fast blinking from the green power LED. I removed the Turbo040 card and adapter entirely. The IIsi booted fine. I removed the cache from the Turbo040 and tried it with the accelerator alone and the adapter. Same sputtering response from the Mac. I removed the accelerator but left the adapter card in the computer. It booted fine. Is a bad Turbo040 the only possibility here? Is it one of the two-slot adapters or not? If it's a two-slot one, make sure you have the Daystar plugged into the right slot... p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Handgun ban sig
Marten van de Kraats wrote: Last night I had a look at this bloke's (Chris Wood) homepage. http://cs.hbg.psu.edu/~cjw152/ Although the pride flag is prominently displayed on the page, he hasn't got much to be proud about, on the contrary. snip not $64 ph chris? maybe. lol Listen, van de Kraats. That is not my home page you stupid jerk. I am a 40 year old man not some young kid you stupid ass. Oh then again Christopher Wood is probably a pretty common name. Not some retarded sounding one like you have. I know this should go off list but i figure anyone could read it before you go cryng to the list nannny you stupid nerd. Christopher J. Wood -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: my stash of Macs
the pickle wrote: At 14:21 -0700 on 25/07/01, Kyle Hansen wrote: Amber Rhea wrote: Lisa Would that be a Lisa 1 or a Lisa 2? Either way, I'm jealous... I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2. I'm wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it. I have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna sell, but that trade Considering I haven't seen a Lisa 2 sell for under $500 any time recently, I'd say a stripped beige G3 is probably a decent trade. p It's the XL version of the LISA 2. I have 4 G3 MT's and I want a LISA. Hmm. I am wondering if the Lisa2 XL version is worth it. What do you think pickle? Others? -- Kyle H. Hansen Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? --George W. Bush -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Handgun ban sig
At 18:39 -0400 on 25/07/01, Christopher J. Wood wrote: Marten van de Kraats wrote: Last night I had a look at this bloke's (Chris Wood) homepage. http://cs.hbg.psu.edu/~cjw152/ Although the pride flag is prominently displayed on the page, he hasn't got much to be proud about, on the contrary. snip not $64 ph chris? maybe. lol Listen, van de Kraats. That is not my home page you stupid jerk. I am a 40 year old man not some young kid you stupid ass. Oh then again Christopher Wood is probably a pretty common name. Not some retarded sounding one like you have. I know this should go off list but i figure anyone could read it before you go cryng to the list nannny you stupid nerd. Christopher J. Wood has been banned for violating the closure of this thread and for his disrespectful attitude. If he wants to be back on the list I suggest he contact me privately. And yes, I realise he was defending himself. Against something that never should have been on the list in the first place. Which is why he's been banned. Heck, he even admits it should be offlist... FYI, cl Chris Lawson, Low End Mac Listnanny, Compact.Macs and Vintage.Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Handgun ban sig
At 11:10 AM -0600 7/25/2001, Desert Fox wrote: If they take away our Macs, we can get by. If they take away our guns, we will all perish in tyranny. How could life be the same without our Macs? Maybe YOU can get by without your Mac, but I'd rather not try. -- http://homepage.mac.com/stmoody/ http://www.13idol.com/mac/macfacts.html Handgun crime in Britain has increased more than 40% since the handgun ban of 1997. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Apology to the List
At 11:04 am -0600 7/25/01, regarding Handgun ban sig, Paul Stamsen penned: - I wrote the questions to see if anyone would like to think about the - sig and discuss it, not to generate heat. -I have taken it to M2M: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; - -Sorry for the initial mis-posting, but if anyone wants to argue - with me on it, that's where I'll be. Hey, I admit it, I chose the wrong place to try and get a little debate started. Please come over to M2M: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; to discuss this. I never should have brought it up here. I was wrong. I admit it. Now please, take it to M2M! Paul -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Most stable OS
At 12:20 PM -0700 7/25/2001, Kyle Hansen wrote: I'm still trying to find out what a -671 error is. -671 is a connection proccesses error usually associated with an Open Transport crash. 1) Where can I find a list of error codes and what they mean? 2) One thing I'll never understand is why the Macintosh, with it's ease of use, has always had error codes that are so user unfriendly. Even DOS has no error message as unfriendly and Macintosh Error codes. Windows 95 comes close, however. -- http://homepage.mac.com/stmoody/ http://www.13idol.com/mac/macfacts.html Handgun crime in Britain has increased more than 40% since the handgun ban of 1997. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
stash of macs pt 2
I have a original Lisa...with the twin 'twiggy' floppy drivesLast year, I was hanging around an apple dealer, talking about Lisa's..when one of the techs asked me if I really liked em..I said, heck YEAH! He had me bring my car around to the back, and help me load three LISAS into my car..a first generation LISA and two Lisa 2's.. one was D.O.A. one was so so..and the other worked fine.. carrying them up a couple of flights of stairs, darn near whipped me..*heavy* 48 pounds...I ended up selling one as a parts machine..kept the others..the Lisa 2 is either gonna get hacked into a power pc lisa...or lisa fish tank..the original Lisa..is alive and well..and her name is ElektraI've had a zillion offers for her.. and people especially mac heads, GASP, when they see her...as they do with a fully decked out 128k... later nick -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Errors on the Mac (was Re: Most stable OS)
At 20:29 -0400 on 25/07/01, Steve Moody wrote: At 12:20 PM -0700 7/25/2001, Kyle Hansen wrote: I'm still trying to find out what a -671 error is. -671 is a connection proccesses error usually associated with an Open Transport crash. 1) Where can I find a list of error codes and what they mean? Try a Google search for Apple Error Codes. The TIL has a good bit of information too. 2) One thing I'll never understand is why the Macintosh, with it's ease of use, has always had error codes that are so user unfriendly. Even DOS has no error message as unfriendly and Macintosh Error It wasn't always that way. Mac error codes usually are lower-level things than those problems that would generate an error in DOS/Windoze. For example, try removing a floppy on a DOS machine and then try writing to the A: drive. Error reading drive A. Abort/Retry/Fail? On a Mac, you would simply get the Please insert the disk message, which makes a helluva lot more sense. Example again: the general protection fault in Windoze, which is just a blanket error that usually doesn't specify anything. At least with an error number you know what you might want to look for. It's been too long since I tried to write to a locked floppy in DOS or Windoze, so I don't remember exactly what happens, but I seem to recall that it's not nearly as friendly as This floppy is locked. Most Mac error codes that actually get codes instead of explanations are very obscure things that don't happen much. In 13 years of using Macs, I've never seen a -671 error. Close to (maybe more than) 90% of what I've seen has been Type 1, 2, 3, 10, and 119, the last of which (#119) were all due to Stuffit Expander being poorly written and doing stupid things with the FCB allocation table in Mac OS 8.5 and up. I could probably come up with a lot more examples. DOS and Windoze are *not* user-friendly with their errors. _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: my stash of Macs
I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card... system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it has open transport built right in. You would *REALLY* love it with System 7.1 -- much quicker and easier on RAM demands. You would, however, need to add other bits and pieces for additional 7.5/7.6 functionality...see the pickle's FAQ for details. BTW, do you still want that set of System 7.5.3 disks (with 7.5.5 update)...? Absolutely i'd love to have the 7.5.5 update on floppy disks know where I can get em? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Sigs Re: Handgun ban sig, personal attacks
?!?!?!? Blah! #@%%! An agent of Dark Side, and a dangerous one without morals that is! What does any of this have to do with the guy's morals or lack thereof ? He may be a Republican, which is regrettable IMHO, but he's young and maybe he'll come around. Changing a server from UNIX to NT was part of his job. Should he have resigned in protest ? IMAO? Probably. I would have. I have, in fact. This list isn't here to discuss the benefits of UNIX over NT, but just ask anyone who's done it - they all regret it. I don't know anyone thats happy over it. I'm only posting this message to urge people never to do it ever ever ever. Ever. IMHO, the Listmom should seriously consider a new advisory regarding these controversial sigs. Just a week ago, a large series of inflammatory posts were made on another list, provoked by one persons religious sig and another's objection to it. Nobody would find such a sig appropriate in a diverse workplace and they don't really seem germaine or appropriate to a diverse Maclist either. I enjoy a little controversy myself and don't mind people going a bit off topic, but I realize that there are others who do not. Political and religiously provocative sigs are powerful temptations for people to blast others. They are easily more powerful than most people's desire to stay on topic. If you really want people to stay on topic, then perhaps banning religious and political sigs would be a productive step in that direction. Just a thought. I know I'm not the listmom or owner of this or any other list. Sorry for going/being off topic myself. I will be seriously irritated if such a ban occurs. This list is based in the USA and is bound by the laws thereof. Yes, it is a private club, but I will fight for my first amendment rights to wear whatever tee-shirt (figuratively) I darn well want. I try not to offend with my sigs, but to me its the same as deciding how to wear my hair or what shirt I wear. This isn't a professional workplace, we don't have to look good in front of clients. If someone wants a sig with nothing but the seven deadlies I would consider them immature, but I feel it should be their right to do so. Peace, Aqua -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: my stash of macs
I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2. I'm wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it. I have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna sell, but that trade -- Kyle H. Hansen What are you talking about? Hell yeah that's a good trade! Maybe not for the guy losing the Lisa, but... :) Don't pass this one up! Even if it is an XL - I'd *love* to have even an XL! Go for it, and then I can live vicariously. :) -- Amber Rhea [EMAIL PROTECTED] I spent eleven long years in a hot house zone I spent twentynine more trying to get home Well I never got home, but I did what I did And I got myself this house and you can't come in - Shawn Colvin -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Handgun ban sig, personal attacks
They are TEMPTATIONS. People on a worldwide internet list (or anywhere, for that matter) need to be mature enough to control themselves Religion and Wayne Gretzky last week. Guns this week. So far so not good in the self control dept. Seems like a bit of an extreme step. If this measure were taken I would unsubscribe. I wouldn't. It's not the public library. It's his list. I possibly would. Not based on that it isn't his place to do so. It *is* his list. However, I'm not sure I would want to be in a place where something like my sig is suppressed. I watch my language in my posts, as is proper, and I keep my topics mostly mac/list related, but my sig is my sig. Aqua - *$ *($ @*( $$ @@#%Q# @@# (sorry) -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Most stable OS
At 12:20 PM -0700 7/25/2001, Kyle Hansen wrote: I'm still trying to find out what a -671 error is. -671 is a connection proccesses error usually associated with an Open Transport crash. 1) Where can I find a list of error codes and what they mean? Install MACSBug. Or rather, get MacsBugApp. You can't hurt your computer too bad with that. Open it and type Error #-671 and it'll tell ya. 2) One thing I'll never understand is why the Macintosh, with it's ease of use, has always had error codes that are so user unfriendly. Even DOS has no error message as unfriendly and Macintosh Error codes. Windows 95 comes close, however. Most people don't care about the error codes. The only ones that should ever occur would be 0 and 1... maybe 4. The others aren't too common or could easily be bypassed by a programmer (noFPU for instance). Aqua -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Later, people (I can't take it anymore)
Bye. I am a longtime lurker of this list, gleaning much needed help from other people's common vintage mac problems. Lately though, this list has become more of an arena for stupid flame wars than aything remotely related to vintage macs. As a result, I fucking sick and tired of burning my bandwidth just to download 50 messages about some stupid fucking hadgun ban argument. Or some stupid fucking argument about someone's religion. Or some stupid fucking argument about some dumb contest. So have fun without me, and I hope you all get a life. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
WAS - Re: Handgun ban sig
I never said that life would be the same. But I do have a IIfx (runs 24/7 as Eudora Email server), 2 IIcx (also running various server software), a WGS 60, Quadra 650, 2 Mac II sitting on a shelf waiting for a job to do, 4 Mac SE, an SE/30, 2 Performa 475 (both running MacDNS 24/7), Quadra 635CD (running AutoShare), and a ton of PowerPC Macs which I won't get into since it would be off-topic. There Finally a neutral, on-topic post! -- Paul/. 95 black 3000GT VR-4 98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit formerly reasonable and prudent on 7/25/01 18:20, Steve Moody at [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled: At 11:10 AM -0600 7/25/2001, Desert Fox wrote: If they take away our Macs, we can get by. If they take away our guns, we will all perish in tyranny. How could life be the same without our Macs? Maybe YOU can get by without your Mac, but I'd rather not try. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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512K Plus (3 working, 3 non-working) SE - USS Reliant SE FDHD LC - USS Oberth IIcx IIsi IIci - Utopia Planitia (my main machine) Performa 40 5 - USS Voyager Performa 450 Quadra 605 My external HDs are DS9, USS Yorktown, USS Enterprise and USS Defiant (all are down at this time unfortunately) I won't get into my non-Mac machines as they are off topic Steve Conrad 1818 Franklin Lexington, MO 64067 660-259-7176 http://sasha91.0pi.com It is no secret (nor should it come as any surprise) that humankind's most noble impulses often surface during the most trying of times, that human spirit rises to the challenge when faced with adversity, that human strength is born from human failings...Is it any wonder, then, that the SDF-1 crew became a tighter family after the fortress had been exiled than it had before? From the log of Captain (later Admiral) Henry Gloval -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: my stash of Macs
-Original Message- From: Nick Canterucci [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:23 AM Subject: my stash of Macs Always interesting to see other forum members collection of Macs..Here's mine Lisa sigh This one's bound to elude me forever. Otherwise, you've got a well-rounded pack 'O Macs. And none of US think you've gone off the deep end ;^) Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Handgun ban, personal attacks, The Power of Fear....
-Original Message- From: THE ROCK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Handgun ban sig, personal attacks There is no danger in a man liking guns, any more than there's a danger in him expressing his liking of God, or religion in general. Adding a sig is his way of showing his beliefs. It's OUR job to idly observe the event, and maintain our own beliefs, either silently, or vociferously as we are compelled to by our fear of something different. Tolerance for differences keeps one well rounded and balanced. Intolerance is the key that opens the door to hate-based structures such as Fascism, Racism, Apartheid and all those other anti-human endeavors. We need to guard our selves. Make certain we're above the intolerance. All philosophies are welcome on the Internet, and here in this usually tight group of Vintage Mac collectors, we are the model of tolerance. Because we are Mac People. Please try to bear this in mind when you are confronted with threads like this one. It's better to display your tolerance for differences, and gather around what brought us all here to begin with: It's The Mac, It's Supposed To Be Fun. Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: my stash of Macs
-Original Message- From: Kyle Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: Re: my stash of Macs I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2. I'm wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it. I have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna sell, but that trade -- Kyle H. Hansen In MY case, Kyle, without batting an eye. Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Vicarious Lisas. Re: my stash of macs
--- Amber Rhea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2. I'm wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it. I have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna sell, but that trade -- Kyle H. Hansen What are you talking about? Hell yeah that's a good trade! Maybe not for the guy losing the Lisa, but... :) Don't pass this one up! Even if it is an XL - I'd *love* to have even an XL! Go for it, and then I can live vicariously. :) Lisa emulation is progressing slowly. At least MESS has a Lisa component that throws something onscreen. http://mess.emuverse.com/ http://www.pla-netx.com/linebackn/guis/lisa.html http://lisa.sunder.net/ http://www.cs.swarthmore.edu/~tom/cs23/final/ = The earth swarms with inhabitants. Why then should nature, which is fruitful to an excess here, be so very barren in the rest of the planets? Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686 [EMAIL PROTECTED] My ICQ# 16024947 __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
