Re: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member

[joseph hudson]

I believe so, because mine was refurbished but it wouldn't hurt to try.
> On Oct 23, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Kimber Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Joseph,
> 
> Apple will do that even though it isn't a new iPhone?
> 
> On 10/22/15, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> Kimber, you can give her the old iPhone 4S, she needs to contact Apple and
>> have them do whatever they do to transfer it to Sprint network. I love to
>> share the process as my dad help me with the most of it. All I know is that
>> Insurance department ended up doing it at a local Apple Store in Austin.
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Kimber Gardner 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I want to give my iPhone 4s to my step-daughter whose phone got
>>> destroyed. The thing is, I am with Verizon and she is with Sprint. I
>>> thought I could call Verizon and get an unlock code which would permit
>>> her to activate the phone with Sprint. However, someone told her (it
>>> may have been someone from sprint) that they won't allow her to
>>> activate an unlocked phone older than an iPhone 5.
>>> 
>>> I have no experience with sprint or with passing along an old iPhone
>>> and I'm wondering if this is true. Can anybody shed some light on this
>>> issue?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kimber
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Re: Notification Center

[chris]

No issues on either the 5s or the iPad Mini 2.

On 24/10/2015 01:18, Brian Fischler wrote:

Does anyone else have a lot of issues with the Notification Center freezing up 
and trouble flicking around when in Today view? I thought this may have been 
device specific on my 5S, but now am on the 6S running 9.1 and I just had to 
restart the phone as Today view would not even let me flick over to 
notification. I find the Today view pretty much unusable with VO as it 
constantly seems to have stability issues. Curious if anyone else uses the 
Today view reliably.



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Re: Uber

[joseph hudson]

Yes that's exactly what it supposed to ask you.
> On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:06 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone  
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> After installing the app, is it supposed to ask you to either sign in or 
> register?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Simon w  wrote:
>> 
>> When I check in the search of applications, I find 200 or so results, which 
>> one am I looking for?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 7:56 AM, jazzyjennifer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> if you want to know about the app it self, the uber app its free,
>>> 
 On 10/18/2015 1:49 PM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone wrote:
 Hi how much is uber?
 
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Re: Uber

[Robert Doc Wright]

I Can't recall if it does automatically but you will need to do so.

On 10/23/2015 4:06 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone wrote:

After installing the app, is it supposed to ask you to either sign in or 
register?

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 19, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Simon w  wrote:

When I check in the search of applications, I find 200 or so results, which one 
am I looking for?

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 19, 2015, at 7:56 AM, jazzyjennifer  wrote:

if you want to know about the app it self, the uber app its free,


On 10/18/2015 1:49 PM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone wrote:
Hi how much is uber?

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RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Keyboard shortcuts are backed up and synchronized across devices via iCloud.
If you have two iPhones or maybe an iPhone or iPad you can test this the way I 
just did: I opened keyboard > text replacement on both my new 6S and my old 5S. 
I then entered a new shortcut which alphabetically was at the top, for example, 
"afternoon" with the shortcut "afn" just like in grade 2 braille. I did this on 
my 6S and it took maybe 5 or 6 seconds at the most when it showed up on my 5S 
where before this shortcut was not present. Very slick and useful and one of 
these things which even now "just works". 

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christina C.
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male Siri 
and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better but I 
can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo frustrated. I have 
never had this problem before where I could not find a comfortable voice. Alex 
is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I could get some of the voices 
from voice Dream reader on my phone.

I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did was 
enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. This was 
on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need to 
re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.

Christina
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple 
> engineers, I am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom 
> VoiceOver bug still persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, 
> enabling VoiceOver, after zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom. 
>  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when 
> waking the phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been 
> greatly degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with 
> every major release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
> declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is 
> that Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in 
> iOS 8, has been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
> somewhat pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  
> I cannot imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long 
> stretches of texts, whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have 
> even been at issue.  Is Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a 
> conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, 
> the feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a 
> Bluetooth or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if 
> one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, 
> then the feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop 
> ensues causing a great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, 
> hearing VoiceOver, begins to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to 
> me as though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  
> I just turned off a lot of items that were active in the background 
> app refresh area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you 
> that I updated a total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 
> 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of those two phones that were already 
> running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet at the time of the update, 
> via OTA, both had less charge after updating than they did, before the 
> update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
> (over-the-air) is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via 
> a USB cable.  For whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of 
> more problems when going from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  
> In short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and 
> file structures, just for starters.  When you 

voiceover languages

[Robert Doc Wright]

who can persons living in South Africa contact to inquire whether 
Africanz will be incorporated in the voiceover languages?

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RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Sieghard Weitzel]

As the name indicates, "Today in iOS" is all about iOS and that includes iOS 
itself, all iOS devices including Apple Watch and Apple TV. Rob may mention 
significant Mac or osX news, but not in much detail, he usually mentions a 
Kickstarter project which stands out and sometimes talks about other 
accessories and, of course, apps.

Apple Bite talks about "everything good and bad in the world of Apple" as their 
tagline goes. It's a fun, informative and very short and to the point little 
Podcast.

Take care,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chris
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

Hi

Do these podcasts also talk about software for say the Apple TV? OS X? 
Watch OS? Don't worry if you don't know; I can always check them out. 
Podcasts on Apple TV is great!

On 23/10/2015 15:44, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly 
> recommend the Today in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than one 
> hour Podcast and it's usually well worth the listen. If you want the news in 
> a much shorter format without all the How-To questions and callers, then 
> check out the "Apple Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or so minutes and highlights 
> the most important announcements. You can find both in your favourite Podcast 
> client and both would mention any new betas which came out as well as when 
> any new products go on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV which will be 
> available to preorder next Monday and it will start shipping next Thursday.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
>
> Hello Mark,
> Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the 
> new release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few 
> less, really.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: M. Taylor  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am
> Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
>
>>
>>
>> Hello Rajmund,
>>
>> I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just 
>> checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Rajmund
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
>>
>> Hello,
>> I know people can't speak about  it, and I don't expect them to, either. But 
>> is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Woody Anna Dresner  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple 
>>> doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the degree 
>>> of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs they have 
>>> fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time period between 
>>> WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think the current 
>>> timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for them to fix 
>>> everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs this year 
>>> affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed a lot of bugs 
>>> since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like answering the phone 
>>> and the focus issues. So I think they're doing reasonably well overall.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>>
>>>
 On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

 Everyone,
 Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X 
 last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and 
 a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from 
 everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work.
 Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the 
 masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There 
 are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that 
 the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I 
 can't live with.
 Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I 
 press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the 
 screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a 
 thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know 
 what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many 
 bugs and no one else does

RE: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hmm, good observation, Lois, I just tested this and can confirm that for me 
there is no unlock sound if I just wake up the phone to the home screen and it 
doesn't seem to matter whether I use the power button or press the home button.
As soon as I use the home button with one of the fingers I registered with 
Touch Id I get the unlock sound if it unlocks completely and it's pretty darn 
hard to press that home button in any way which doesn't instantly unlock it on 
the 6S. But if I use another finger or the finger nail so it only wakes up to 
the lock screen, then there is no sound.
I always do seem to get the lock sound, though.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lois Butterfield
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

Yes, it seems to depend on how you unlock and lock.  If I use my fingerprint, 
there is sound.  If I use the power button to unlock, it is silent.  Either 
way, it doesn't bother me.

Take care,
Lois

-Original Message-
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

I also get sounds. And once just recently, I got the time announced. Since I 
usually unlock with my touch ID, there is no time for the time to be announced. 
Nope unintended. For me, this is just not a big deal. Minor just not a big 
deal. Nothing compared to the damn dictation problem. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Richard Turner 
> 
> wrote:
>
>
> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
> Richard
>
>
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the 
>> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is 
>> now also the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or 
>> unlocking the device.
>>
>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
>>
>> Mark
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RE: Calls: EndingCalls-iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Shai,

I believe you may be correct and it could be a hardware limitation rather than 
a missing software feature. I never used it anyways, by the time I remembered 
that I could do this I usually always take my phone away from my ear and any 
time I have to do any significant calling I use the Apple Earpods anyways.

Take care,
Sieghard


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Subject: Re: Calls: EndingCalls-iPhone

Hi,
My understanding from discussions about this from people on the list is that 
this feature has been removed on the iPhone6 and higher. I just tried to end a 
call in this manner on my iPhone6s and it does not work here either.


On 10/23/15, Dr. Harshit Jaithwar  wrote:
> Hi, it's not working since I bought iPhone 6 with ios 8 and even in 
> latest ios 9.1. Is it a bug or the feature is removed?
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Robin  wrote:
>
>> Is there a "way" to utilize the PowerButton to EndCalls ON an iPhone? 
>> If so, (Please) Detail these "steps" for me & other interested Listers.
>> Thanx
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RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Christopher,

With iOS 9.1, do you still have the problem with Voiceover freezing up when a 
headset is connected and you disconnect? This has completely disappeared for me 
ever since iOS 9.1 Beta 4 or 5 I think and in the public release it is also 
working great for me. I would say that iOS 9.1 now (October 23) is as good or 
better than iOS 8.4 was which came out I believe in April or May, maybe even 
June.
I'd really love to know if others who upgraded to 9.1 still experience the 
issue with hanging up a call when the headset is connected. If so, I wonder 
what a total wipe/restore and setting up as a new phone would do.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

For me, I didn't find any bugs in IOS 8 I couldn't live with. I never regretted 
upgrading to IOS 8. IOS 9 is a different story. I lose VoiceOver when I answer 
a call with my headset on, and VoiceOver freezes when I reply to an email 
message. I'm still getting by with the work arounds I've uncovered so far, but 
I'm much less satisfied with IOS 9 than I was with IOS 8, and I can't recommend 
the iPhone anymore to another blind person, at least not without letting them 
know about these issues.

On 10/22/2015 12:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> Hi,
> I guess you just said what i was trying to say earlier on only mor well 
> spokenly than me.
> Thanks for that.
> /Krister
>
>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 18:59 skrev Wayne Merritt :
>>
>> Everyone,
>> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X 
>> last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a 
>> number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from 
>> everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work. 
>> Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the 
>> masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are 
>> things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that the 
>> focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't 
>> live with.
>> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I 
>> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the 
>> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought, 
>> look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it 
>> is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one 
>> else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen 
>> reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream 
>> software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited 
>> for the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the 
>> software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>>> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple 
>>> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that 
>>> will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. 
>>> Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you 
>>> weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a 
>>> minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never do 
>>> anything.
>>>
>>> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't 
>>> mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS 
>>> 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails 
>>> is so bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've 
>>> come to depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on 
>>> this list about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We 
>>> all don't use our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment 
>>> on another user because they're more impacted by a bug than we are.
>>>
>>> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to 
>>> go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom 
>>> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't 
>>> see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness 
>>> community.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
 Hi,
 Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what 
 we as beta testers might say? For every release there has been and 
 probably will be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even 
 if what has been complained about would be fixed to perfection they 
 complain about the fixes. Either it’s too bloody late or there’s 
 too little or too much of everything. I’m the type of guy who 
 upgrades every app and every Os to see what features are there and 
 if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody’s perfect. As i said before i 
 think it’s s

Re: Notification Center

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks so much for confirming. That is so strange that I would have the same 
issue on two phones. Wonder if it might be a specific today widget I have in 
there causing it. Will have to remove all and see how things go. Thanks again.
> On Oct 24, 2015, at 12:40 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> No issues here on my 6S and I still have my 5S and never noticed any 
> sluggishness.
> 
> 
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> 
> Does anyone else have a lot of issues with the Notification Center freezing 
> up and trouble flicking around when in Today view? I thought this may have 
> been device specific on my 5S, but now am on the 6S running 9.1 and I just 
> had to restart the phone as Today view would not even let me flick over to 
> notification. I find the Today view pretty much unusable with VO as it 
> constantly seems to have stability issues. Curious if anyone else uses the 
> Today view reliably.
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RE: Notification Center

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Brian,

No issues here on my 6S and I still have my 5S and never noticed any 
sluggishness.


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Does anyone else have a lot of issues with the Notification Center freezing up 
and trouble flicking around when in Today view? I thought this may have been 
device specific on my 5S, but now am on the 6S running 9.1 and I just had to 
restart the phone as Today view would not even let me flick over to 
notification. I find the Today view pretty much unusable with VO as it 
constantly seems to have stability issues. Curious if anyone else uses the 
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Re: Calls: EndingCalls-iPhone

[Shai]

Hello Sieghard,
This feature does still work on the iPhone5s and below. One would hold
the phone to their ear and press the power button once to end the
call.


On 10/23/15, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> No, I am pretty sure this is not an option any more ever since iOS 8 came
> out last year. I believe prior to that you could press the power button
> twice quickly when the phone was to your ear.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dr. Harshit Jaithwar
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 9:14 PM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Re: Calls: EndingCalls-iPhone
>
>
>
> Hi, it's not working since I bought iPhone 6 with ios 8 and even in latest
> ios 9.1. Is it a bug or the feature is removed?
>
>
>
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Re: Calls: EndingCalls-iPhone

[Shai]

Hi,
My understanding from discussions about this from people on the list
is that this feature has been removed on the iPhone6 and higher. I
just tried to end a call in this manner on my iPhone6s and it does not
work here either.


On 10/23/15, Dr. Harshit Jaithwar  wrote:
> Hi, it's not working since I bought iPhone 6 with ios 8 and even in latest
> ios 9.1. Is it a bug or the feature is removed?
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Robin  wrote:
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RE: Calls: EndingCalls-iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, I am pretty sure this is not an option any more ever since iOS 8 came out 
last year. I believe prior to that you could press the power button twice 
quickly when the phone was to your ear.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dr. Harshit Jaithwar
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 9:14 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: Re: Calls: EndingCalls-iPhone

 

Hi, it's not working since I bought iPhone 6 with ios 8 and even in latest ios 
9.1. Is it a bug or the feature is removed?

 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Robin mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Is there a "way" to utilize the PowerButton to EndCalls ON an iPhone? If so, 
(Please) Detail these "steps" for me & other interested Listers. Thanx 
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Re: Calls: EndingCalls-iPhone

[Dr. Harshit Jaithwar]

Hi, it's not working since I bought iPhone 6 with ios 8 and even in latest
ios 9.1. Is it a bug or the feature is removed?

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Robin  wrote:

> Is there a "way" to utilize the PowerButton to EndCalls ON an iPhone? If
> so, (Please) Detail these "steps" for me & other interested Listers. Thanx
> YourServices are Much Appreciated!
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Re: Dictation bug fixed?

[Alex Hall]

This is what makes it so hard to determine if a given bug is fixed or not. For 
what it's worth, I experience this bug when the message is part of a thread, 
rarely--if ever--if it's not. This is on an iPhone 5 sending over wifi.
> On Oct 23, 2015, at 23:57, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I just tried it, I replied to an email a customer sent to me earlier this 
> week, I typed out a message and when I tapped Send I heard the swoosh sound 
> and instantly I was back in my Inbox, Voiceover was talking and responsive, 
> there was no sluggishness or Voiceover disappearing at all. I have no idea 
> why this is happening to some of you, definitely not anything I can reproduce 
> here.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
> Hi Sieghard. Sending a new message is fine. It's when you reply to an email 
> that Voiceover crashes. Just thought I'd clear that up for you.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi again,
>> 
>> I just tried this on my old 5S and my 6S, both are now on iOS 9.1. I sent an 
>> email to myself, I dictated it and tried it both with screen curtain off 
>> which is usually what I have but I also tried it with screen curtain on. In 
>> all four scenarios as soon as I double tap on the Send button I hear the 
>> swoosh noise and I am back in my Inbox immediately with Voiceover talking 
>> and I really mean immediately, there isn't even a second or two delay.
>> 
>> As I said, I would definitely close all apps, then go to Settings > General 
>> > Reset and double tap Reset Network Settings. This will prompt you to 
>> confirm and then after a couple of seconds your device will reboot. Once you 
>> are back on the home screen you have to go to Settings > WiFi and reconnect 
>> to your WiFi network (you will need your password). Then give it a try and 
>> see if it makes a difference.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Rajmund
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:41 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I confirm the focus, and that's truly wonderful. But, are you dictating, or 
>> writing your emails?  Do you have screen curtain on or off? 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:11 pm
>> Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For whatever it's worth, I don't have this problem on my 5S nor on my 6S. 
>>> If I send an email I hear the sound it makes that the email is sent and I 
>>> can immediately continue to do other things or go into another email that I 
>>> want to reply to.
>>> 
>>> Also, the focus bug has been fixed, if you are now in say message 15 of 
>>> your Inbox and you go into the message and back out focus will remail on 
>>> that message rather than jumping back up to the top.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Rajmund
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:40 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> LOL, similar feelings. How many are in a thread, since I have it disabled 
>>> in the first place But restarting VO, or wait minutes and minutes 
>>> between sending messages, Hmm. Fortunately for some, they have note takers 
>>> so I'm back to that, when there are a lot, even though VO could read much 
>>> quicker than this thing, but sending is currently quicker on here.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Mary Otten  
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:23 am
>>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>>> 
 
 
 Having crap inserted into your messages, having your machine freeze up 
 every time this bug appears, and finding it distracting are none of them 
 trivial. If it doesn't bother you, that is wonderful. As for me, I really 
 don't give a damn about whether the number of messages in the thread is 
 announced. I understand others do, and that's great. For those people, I'm 
 glad this bug was fixed. But please don't call other bugs trivial, just 
 because they don't mean much to you. 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:26 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> I second that Daniel. If Apple fixed every trivial bug that someone had 
> because it's distracting to them, do you th

RE: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Sieghard Weitzel]

So do I.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 8:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1


i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
Richard


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the 
> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now 
> also the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or 
> unlocking the device.
> 
> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
> 
> Mark
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RE: Dictation bug fixed?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Guys,

I just tried it, I replied to an email a customer sent to me earlier this week, 
I typed out a message and when I tapped Send I heard the swoosh sound and 
instantly I was back in my Inbox, Voiceover was talking and responsive, there 
was no sluggishness or Voiceover disappearing at all. I have no idea why this 
is happening to some of you, definitely not anything I can reproduce here.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?

Hi Sieghard. Sending a new message is fine. It's when you reply to an email 
that Voiceover crashes. Just thought I'd clear that up for you.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi again,
> 
> I just tried this on my old 5S and my 6S, both are now on iOS 9.1. I sent an 
> email to myself, I dictated it and tried it both with screen curtain off 
> which is usually what I have but I also tried it with screen curtain on. In 
> all four scenarios as soon as I double tap on the Send button I hear the 
> swoosh noise and I am back in my Inbox immediately with Voiceover talking and 
> I really mean immediately, there isn't even a second or two delay.
> 
> As I said, I would definitely close all apps, then go to Settings > General > 
> Reset and double tap Reset Network Settings. This will prompt you to confirm 
> and then after a couple of seconds your device will reboot. Once you are back 
> on the home screen you have to go to Settings > WiFi and reconnect to your 
> WiFi network (you will need your password). Then give it a try and see if it 
> makes a difference.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
> Hello,
> I confirm the focus, and that's truly wonderful. But, are you dictating, or 
> writing your emails?  Do you have screen curtain on or off? 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:11 pm
> Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
>> 
>> 
>> For whatever it's worth, I don't have this problem on my 5S nor on my 6S. If 
>> I send an email I hear the sound it makes that the email is sent and I can 
>> immediately continue to do other things or go into another email that I want 
>> to reply to.
>> 
>> Also, the focus bug has been fixed, if you are now in say message 15 of your 
>> Inbox and you go into the message and back out focus will remail on that 
>> message rather than jumping back up to the top.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Rajmund
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>> 
>> Hello,
>> LOL, similar feelings. How many are in a thread, since I have it disabled in 
>> the first place But restarting VO, or wait minutes and minutes between 
>> sending messages, Hmm. Fortunately for some, they have note takers so I'm 
>> back to that, when there are a lot, even though VO could read much quicker 
>> than this thing, but sending is currently quicker on here.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Mary Otten  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:23 am
>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Having crap inserted into your messages, having your machine freeze up 
>>> every time this bug appears, and finding it distracting are none of them 
>>> trivial. If it doesn't bother you, that is wonderful. As for me, I really 
>>> don't give a damn about whether the number of messages in the thread is 
>>> announced. I understand others do, and that's great. For those people, I'm 
>>> glad this bug was fixed. But please don't call other bugs trivial, just 
>>> because they don't mean much to you. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:26 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
 
 I second that Daniel. If Apple fixed every trivial bug that someone had 
 because it's distracting to them, do you think that the more serious bugs 
 like Bluetooth not working or the number of messages in a thread not being 
 spoken in Mail would ever be fixed? Probably not until a later version. I 
 don't find it distracting at all and even if dictation screwed something 
 up, I can always shake my phone to perform the undo action. So to the 
 person that asked if we beta testers report bugs, the answer is yes we do. 
 But

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[John Diakogeorgiou]

I go with the nail Siri or Samantha but the defaults not enhanced 

John Diakogeorgiou

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
> I am fine with samantha's default voice.  I can't deal with the high quality 
> voice.  It is terrible.  Just use the default Samantha voice.
> Regards,
> 
> Cris
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Christina C.
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
> 
> Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
> deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male 
> Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better 
> but I can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo 
> frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a 
> comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I 
> could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone.
> 
> I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
> show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did 
> was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. 
> This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need 
> to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
> thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.
> 
> Christina
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
>> 
>> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
>> 
>> 1.
>> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple 
>> engineers, I am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom 
>> VoiceOver bug still persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, 
>> enabling VoiceOver, after zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the 
>> zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
>> (smile).  
>> 
>> 2.
>> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when 
>> waking the phone.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been 
>> greatly degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with 
>> every major release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
>> declining.
>> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is 
>> that Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in 
>> iOS 8, has been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
>> 
>> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
>> somewhat pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  
>> I cannot imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long 
>> stretches of texts, whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have 
>> even been at issue.  Is Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a 
>> conspiracy theory).
>> (Smile).   
>> 
>> 4.
>> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
>> 
>> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, 
>> the feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a 
>> Bluetooth or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if 
>> one only dictates
>> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, 
>> then the feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop 
>> ensues causing a great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, 
>> hearing VoiceOver, begins to dictate to itself.
>> 
>> 5.
>> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to 
>> me as though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  
>> I just turned off a lot of items that were active in the background 
>> app refresh area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you 
>> that I updated a total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 
>> 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of those two phones that were already 
>> running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet at the time of the update, 
>> via OTA, both had less charge after updating than they did, before the 
>> update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.
>> 
>> 6.
>> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
>> 
>> 7.
>> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
>> (over-the-air) is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via 
>> a USB cable.  For whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of 
>> more problems when going from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
>> 
>> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  
>> In short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and 
>> file structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is 
>> as if you are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data 
>> clusters are actually rewritten to the disk..
>> 
>> Want proof of this?  No problem, here'

Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Daniel Miller]

I do a lot of email on my phone, as well as answer calls, and I’m not seeing 
the freezing issue, so perhaps it’s a case-by-case basis, which could make the 
bug harder to track down and fix. Keep reporting it to Apple accessibility.

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 9:15 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Ugh, tat bts. I do a lot of email on the iPhone, and being able to answer my 
> phone is important to me, so I think I'll continue to hold off on updating to 
> iOS 9 for now. I hope another update will fix these two issues. For me, 
> they're the most important ones. I can handle my Braille display 
> disconnecting after turning on airplane mode and not reconnecting when I turn 
> on bluetooth, but while that doesn't bother me as much, I'm sure it would be 
> absolutely intolerable for a person who's deaf-blind who uses airplane mode a 
> lot.
> 
> Apple seems to have issues with bluetooth and phone calls.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>> Well maybe it's because I'm using a iPhone 4S and an iPhone 5, or maybe it's 
>> because I have so many messages in my in box, but it takes more than a few 
>> seconds for VoiceOver to come back for me. It's closer to 20 or 30 seconds. 
>> As I said, this seriously impacts my productivity.
>> 
>>> On 10/23/2015 10:33 AM, Scott Davert wrote:
>>> Hi Chris Chaltain.
>>> You shouldn't need to restart VoiceOver each time you reply to an
>>> email, you should be able to wait a few seconds and VoiceOver will
>>> come back. I will say that the 5S has a longer lag time than the 6S,
>>> but I hope that may help.
>>> I see no harm in letting people know of what bugs exist, whether you
>>> are talking about Apple, Google, or Microsoft. In fact, not informing
>>> someone of the shortcomings ahead of time is kind of doing them a
>>> disservice.
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10/23/15, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly
 recommend the Today in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than one
 hour Podcast and it's usually well worth the listen. If you want the news 
 in
 a much shorter format without all the How-To questions and callers, then
 check out the "Apple Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or so minutes and 
 highlights
 the most important announcements. You can find both in your favourite
 Podcast client and both would mention any new betas which came out as well
 as when any new products go on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV
 which will be available to preorder next Monday and it will start shipping
 next Thursday.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Rajmund
 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
 
 Hello Mark,
 Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the
 new release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few
 less, really.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: M. Taylor  
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am
 Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
 
> 
> 
> Hello Rajmund,
> 
> I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just
> checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> 
> Hello,
> I know people can't speak about  it, and I don't expect them to, either.
> But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Woody Anna Dresner  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> 
>> 
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple
>> doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the
>> degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs
>> they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time
>> period between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think
>> the current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for
>> them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs
>> this year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed
>> a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like
>>

Re: Wifi calling

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Mary,

If you have t-mobile or sprint, you can use what’s called enhanced wi-fi 
calling, which allows other iPads, iPods or Macs to make and receive wifi 
calls, the same way your phone does. However, the really awesome advantage to 
this is you can leave your phone at home, or somewhere else entirely, or even 
turned completely off, and your other devices you have set up will ring as if 
you had normal continuity set up. Do a google search for making a call with 
wi-fi calling, and a result from apple support should pop up. That page will 
give you all the information you need.

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 9:34 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> My new iPhone has the capability of doing Wi-Fi calling. It was not on by 
> default. When I turned it on, it seemed to allow me to also have my iPad mini 
> two, which is not a cell model, do this Wi-Fi calling. So I googled around 
> and wasn't really able to find out very much information. I understand the 
> purpose of Wi-Fi calling is to let you make phone calls when your cell 
> network is weak. However, if you have it enabled, and are in an area with a 
> strong cell signal, will you use your cellular network? Or will you use your 
> Wi-Fi network? This is, of course, assuming the Wi-Fi network is also strong. 
> And how would a Wi-Fi enabled iPad with no cellular capability do wi-Fi 
> calling? Or, if you do have Wi-Fi calling enabled, and are out in the city 
> and have no Wi-Fi available, will you still be able to use your cell network 
> without turning this feature off? I am just not clear about whether it is a 
> good idea to have it turned on all the time, or just turn it on when you need 
> it.
> Mary
> 
> 
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Wifi calling

[Mary Otten]

My new iPhone has the capability of doing Wi-Fi calling. It was not on by 
default. When I turned it on, it seemed to allow me to also have my iPad mini 
two, which is not a cell model, do this Wi-Fi calling. So I googled around and 
wasn't really able to find out very much information. I understand the purpose 
of Wi-Fi calling is to let you make phone calls when your cell network is weak. 
However, if you have it enabled, and are in an area with a strong cell signal, 
will you use your cellular network? Or will you use your Wi-Fi network? This 
is, of course, assuming the Wi-Fi network is also strong. And how would a Wi-Fi 
enabled iPad with no cellular capability do wi-Fi calling? Or, if you do have 
Wi-Fi calling enabled, and are out in the city and have no Wi-Fi available, 
will you still be able to use your cell network without turning this feature 
off? I am just not clear about whether it is a good idea to have it turned on 
all the time, or just turn it on when you need it.
Mary


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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[englishrider91]

Ugh, tat bts. I do a lot of email on the iPhone, and being able to answer my 
phone is important to me, so I think I'll continue to hold off on updating to 
iOS 9 for now. I hope another update will fix these two issues. For me, they're 
the most important ones. I can handle my Braille display disconnecting after 
turning on airplane mode and not reconnecting when I turn on bluetooth, but 
while that doesn't bother me as much, I'm sure it would be absolutely 
intolerable for a person who's deaf-blind who uses airplane mode a lot.

Apple seems to have issues with bluetooth and phone calls.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> Well maybe it's because I'm using a iPhone 4S and an iPhone 5, or maybe it's 
> because I have so many messages in my in box, but it takes more than a few 
> seconds for VoiceOver to come back for me. It's closer to 20 or 30 seconds. 
> As I said, this seriously impacts my productivity.
> 
>> On 10/23/2015 10:33 AM, Scott Davert wrote:
>> Hi Chris Chaltain.
>> You shouldn't need to restart VoiceOver each time you reply to an
>> email, you should be able to wait a few seconds and VoiceOver will
>> come back. I will say that the 5S has a longer lag time than the 6S,
>> but I hope that may help.
>> I see no harm in letting people know of what bugs exist, whether you
>> are talking about Apple, Google, or Microsoft. In fact, not informing
>> someone of the shortcomings ahead of time is kind of doing them a
>> disservice.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/23/15, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly
>>> recommend the Today in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than one
>>> hour Podcast and it's usually well worth the listen. If you want the news in
>>> a much shorter format without all the How-To questions and callers, then
>>> check out the "Apple Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or so minutes and highlights
>>> the most important announcements. You can find both in your favourite
>>> Podcast client and both would mention any new betas which came out as well
>>> as when any new products go on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV
>>> which will be available to preorder next Monday and it will start shipping
>>> next Thursday.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Rajmund
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark,
>>> Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the
>>> new release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few
>>> less, really.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: M. Taylor  
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am
>>> Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
>>> 
 
 
 Hello Rajmund,
 
 I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just
 checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Rajmund
 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
 
 Hello,
 I know people can't speak about  it, and I don't expect them to, either.
 But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Woody Anna Dresner  
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
 Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
 
> 
> 
> hi,
> 
> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple
> doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the
> degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs
> they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time
> period between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think
> the current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for
> them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs
> this year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed
> a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like
> answering the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing
> reasonably well overall.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Everyone,
>> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X
>> last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and
>> a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill 

better finger print identification in IOS 9.1

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Hi, all.  I have been using the finger print to unlock my phone for several
months.  It's been inconsistent to say the least.  In fact, I finally gave
up on it a couple of weeks ago totally and just went with a pass code.
However, when I updated to IOS 9.1 I decided to give it a try again.  I set
the first finger with my thumb as I have done in the past, and, by Golly,
it's been working quite nicely for the past two days.  Boy, I hope this
keeps up.  Smiley.

God bless!

Paula and Boston

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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well maybe it's because I'm using a iPhone 4S and an iPhone 5, or maybe 
it's because I have so many messages in my in box, but it takes more 
than a few seconds for VoiceOver to come back for me. It's closer to 20 
or 30 seconds. As I said, this seriously impacts my productivity.


On 10/23/2015 10:33 AM, Scott Davert wrote:

Hi Chris Chaltain.
You shouldn't need to restart VoiceOver each time you reply to an
email, you should be able to wait a few seconds and VoiceOver will
come back. I will say that the 5S has a longer lag time than the 6S,
but I hope that may help.
I see no harm in letting people know of what bugs exist, whether you
are talking about Apple, Google, or Microsoft. In fact, not informing
someone of the shortcomings ahead of time is kind of doing them a
disservice.

Scott


On 10/23/15, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly
recommend the Today in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than one
hour Podcast and it's usually well worth the listen. If you want the news in
a much shorter format without all the How-To questions and callers, then
check out the "Apple Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or so minutes and highlights
the most important announcements. You can find both in your favourite
Podcast client and both would mention any new betas which came out as well
as when any new products go on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV
which will be available to preorder next Monday and it will start shipping
next Thursday.

Regards,
Sieghard



Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

Hello Mark,
Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the
new release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few
less, really.

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From: M. Taylor  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am
Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing




Hello Rajmund,

I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just
checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

Hello,
I know people can't speak about  it, and I don't expect them to, either.
But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?

- Original Message -
From: Woody Anna Dresner  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing




hi,

I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple
doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the
degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs
they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time
period between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think
the current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for
them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs
this year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed
a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like
answering the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing
reasonably well overall.

Best,
Anna



On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt 
wrote:

Everyone,
Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X
last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and
a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from
everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work.
Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the
masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There
are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that
the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I
can't live with.
Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a
thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know
what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many
bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows,
JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely
used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some
degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs
before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for
that next big thing.

Wayne

On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if
Apple doesn't know about t

Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not sure when I'll get to this. Turns out I need to work this weekend.

BTW, I've never downgraded on this phone. When I installed IOS 9, I did 
a complete restore and then restored the last backup I had taken just 
before the upgrade. I moved up to the IOS 9.1 beta but then just moved 
up to the released version of IOS 9.1. Like I said, I never down graded.


I've also been having this problem since I initially upgraded to IOS 
9.0, and I've seen it consistently on both my own iPhone 4S and my 
employer's iPhone 5.


I will give what you suggest a try though, since I do find this bug so 
frustrating.


On 10/23/2015 02:09 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello Christopher,

I completely understand your pessimism on this process, in fact, I shared it 
but, I can testify that it works.

The odds of things kind of going hay-wire are greatly increased if you 
downgraded or switched to a public release on a device that was used in a beta, 
without using the method I posted.

Remember, the key here is to set the device up, complete with activation, as a 
new device.  Just so you know, since you intend to eventually restore your 
device from a backup, when setting up the phone as a new device, you can skip 
many of the setup steps such as entering WiFi passwords, setting up iCloud, 
etc.  All of these items will be restored upon restoration from the backup.  
The only thing you want to do is to receive an incoming call on the newly 
restored phone, with a headset attached, in order to verify that the problem 
has been resolved.

Now, let me add one more ingredient to the troubleshooting soup, as it were 
(smile).

While highly unlikely, it is possible that you downloaded a corrupted version 
of iOS 9.1.  I know Apple loves to claim that such things don't happen but, 
take it from me, they do, albeit rarely.  Therefore, as a last resort, should 
the steps I posted do not resolve your issue, then you will want to repeat the 
process only first have iTunes re-download a fresh copy of the .IPSW file, 
before installing.

Before I performed the steps previously posted, I chose to force iTunes to 
download a fresh copy of the .IPSW file, before I began.  I like to always plan 
for the worse-case scenario (smile).

In order to force iTunes to download a fresh copy of the .IPSW file, all you 
need do is to delete the current copy from your computer, before launching 
iTunes.

The location of the file differs between the Mac and Windows so you can Google 
the file location or, if you are using Windows, let me know and I'll look up 
the exact folder location for you.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I'll give this a try this weekend, but I did restore my phone when I upgraded 
to IOS 9. I'm also running IOS 9.1, and I participated in the IOS 9.1 beta 
since I didn't figure I had anything to lose. I'm not optimistic this will 
solve the problem, but I'll give it a try.

On 10/23/2015 02:43 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello Christopher,

If you have confirmed that you have, indeed, updated your device to iOS 9.1, 
and you are still continuing to experience the VoiceOver incoming call bug, 
which occurs when the included Apple wired headset is attached, then you will 
most likely need to perform a fresh install of the OS.  To do this, you will 
need access to a computer running the latest version of iTunes.

Assuming you have such a computer, then perform the general broad steps as 
follows:

1.
Sync your device to iTunes on your computer.  During this process, a backup of 
your device will be made.  I also suggest that you make certain that your 
backup is encrypted.

2.
Restore your phone, via iTunes.  At the appropriate prompt, select to setup 
your phone as a new device.  Please make certain that the phone has an active 
SIM card installed.

3.
Once the phone has been setup as a new device, receive an incoming call, with 
the attached headset to make certain that the problem has been resolved.

4.
Finally, restore the backup, which was made in step 1, back to your phone.

Remember, restoring from a backup, even an encrypted one, does not install the 
OS but merely the settings and the apps/app data.

Good Luck,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I still have the phone issue where I can't answer a call with my headset 
attached or I lose VoiceOver.

On 10/22/2015 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Mario,

Applevis stated that they have not yet completed testing and people should let 
them know if other bugs have been fixed. One bug which I think was a big deal 
for those who were effected was the phone issue where when a headset was 
con

Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Christopher Chaltain]

I must have missed that message, but I don't recall seeing any one bash 
the beta testers. I'm a beta tester myself, and I haven't been offended 
by anything anyone has said on list. I know there will always be a 
minority of nay sayers in any group, and I'm not going to let them keep 
me from contributing to make a product better.


I know I've been criticized on list for being frustrated with the bugs 
I'm seeing in IOS 9, but I've never said that Apple is doing us a huge 
disservice, nor do I think Apple isn't taking any responsibility. Apple 
is making a call on the bugs they'll address in IOS, whether they be 
accessibility related or not. As a user, I need to decide if an iPhone 
is the best product for what I want to do or not, which means 
considering the bugs as well as the features.


I have considered an Android phone, and I'll keep considering an Android 
phone. To be honest, I don't use all of the features in IOS, and so I'm 
not always taking advantage of the more advanced features you get with 
IOS and VoiceOver. Because of that, and Android phone might be a better 
platform for me to text, take phone calls and handle email. I do have an 
Android tablet, and if another blind person were to ask me what I'd 
recommend, I'd talk about what you'd be doing with your device and what 
the strengths and weaknesses are of each platform. I'd let them make up 
their own mind. In my case, my endorsement of the iPhone is not as 
glowing as it's been because of the frustrating issues I'm having with 
IOS 9.


I should also say that it's the people who report problems and ask for 
things to be better that make something better for everyone. This holds 
for the beta testers, but also applies to others who let Apple know how 
things could be improved. If everyone who found a bug in IOS just left 
for another platform then I'd think you'd see the quality of IOS decline 
as people didn't report issues and fight to get them addressed. That 
doesn't mean people should be negative, but I don't consider myself to 
be negative. I never bash Apple or IOS, but if someone were to ask me 
what I thought about an iPhone, I'd tell them the pros as well as the cons.



On 10/23/2015 02:29 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

So I have a question for the people that think Apple is doing us a huge 
disservice with these bugs? If you feel that way, why are you still using their 
products? If you really do feel that Apple's not taking any responsibility for 
us because we're poor little blind people which I refuse to be labelled that 
way, don't know about anyone else, why not go to a different operating system 
like Android? See, Krister has a point. No matter how long we take to beta test 
products and when the official release does come out, people always have to 
find something else to bitch about. It makes me wonder sometimes why I bother 
beta testing for these spoiled folks that think everything should be perfect 
and go on bashing the people that are involved in trying to make the software a 
success. And then I remember that there are people that do appreciate what 
people like myself are doing. So to those people, thanks, and to those other 
people, sorry to disappoint you.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:


hi.
very well said.
there are people in this group who needed to hear your words.
what it can  be good for them, it may not be for others.
and for me it is not.
Apple has to take more responsibility for the blind community in this world.
some people think that what Apple does for us, it's a favor.
we do not need favors, but rights.
and we must fight for our rights.
and this is not just for Apple, but for all companies that do not respect us as 
they should
we always do our part in cooperation  in solving the problems, but the apple 
never treat us with the same rights that deals with sighted people.

apple has the ability to solve the problems of the sighted, why  it also does 
not solve the problems of the blind with the same capacity?
blind are those who do not want to see ...

and I'm blind, but I want to see!
and always want the best for me!
and if I am an apple user,
I'm also a client.
and if I am a client, I have to be treated with respect.
and respect for me, is to have equal rights.
thank you for your words.
cheers.

Às 13:37 de 23/10/2015, Christopher Chaltain escreveu:

I can assure you, I'm not missing the point. The fact that Apple has a lot of 
products is irrelevant. Apple is also the wealthiest company in the world, due 
to the fact that they have a lot of successful products. I'm not going to cut 
them any slack because they have a lot of products since they also have a lot 
of resources. If they have too many products, and they can't maintain a certain 
level of quality across those products then they need to make some chang

Notification Center

[Brian Fischler]

Does anyone else have a lot of issues with the Notification Center freezing up 
and trouble flicking around when in Today view? I thought this may have been 
device specific on my 5S, but now am on the 6S running 9.1 and I just had to 
restart the phone as Today view would not even let me flick over to 
notification. I find the Today view pretty much unusable with VO as it 
constantly seems to have stability issues. Curious if anyone else uses the 
Today view reliably.

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Re: How is behaving the iPhone 4s with ios 9.1?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes you can. I don't have any issues with IOS 9.1 on my iPhone 4S that I 
don't also have on my ihone 5. I'm not experiencing any issues that are 
unique to the 4S.


On 10/23/2015 03:38 PM, Luís Melo wrote:

Hi,
I own an iPhone 4s with 8.4. Can i upgrade to 9.1?
Best regards,
Melo

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Re: How do I get my purchased voices back in VoiceDream?

[Richard Turner]

it seems when I first upgraded to iOS 9, I had no voice at first, but I went 
into manage voices, selected Amy from Ivona, and was back reading very quickly.
When I updated to 9.1, I had no issues.
This is on my iPhone 5S.
Sorry I can't help.
I'd give Winston a shout and see if he has any ideas.
Later,
Richard


> On Oct 23, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith,
> So you upgraded an old phone which had voice dream on it, and you lost your 
> voices? That seems weird. If nothing else, you should be able to select the 
> iOS voice and use that to read the book. As far as getting your voice is 
> back, you should be able to go into settings, manage my voice is I think it's 
> called, Restore purchased voices. In there, you should see the names of 
> voices, and be offered the chance to download with a link. Double tap the 
> link next to the name of the voice, and it should appear. Now I was not able 
> to get my iVona voices back. They downloaded just fine. But they don't work. 
> Hopefully you will not have that problem.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> HI,
>> 
>> Just updated to iOS 9.1.
>> 
>> Went to VoiceDream and tried to read an article newly transferred in from 
>> PDF.
>> 
>> When I tried to play the article, I get the messageNo Available Voice.
>> 
>> I've gone into Audio, Manage My Voices, and Restore Purchased Voices. 
>> Whatever I've done thereafter, the details of which I don't really remember, 
>> haven't brought a voice to the article.
>> 
>> Can someone please provide some guidance?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance, Keith
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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Robin]

That's YourOpinion. And, it is MostLikely 
TheOpinion of many other TotallyBlind & LowVision iOSUsers


I, on the other hand, appreciate Google'sAndroid 
Microsoft'sWindows & Apple's iOS-OSX ... But, if 
you wanna know MyPreference, it's Microsoft, but 
I'll admit TheAccessibility isn't 
WhereItShouldBe, but isn't There On Apple OR Google neither


JustSaying
At 12:36 PM 10/23/2015, you wrote:
Finally someone who sees sense! It’s always 
the negativity that sticks around in the blind 
community even though sites like Applevis tries 
to tell about actual features of the system. 
It’s for the features and functionality i 
upgrade not to find things to bitch about. Call 
me a fan boy, but there’s a reason why i am, 
and it’s because Apples products even with 
bugs work way, way, way better than Windblows did on my PCs.

/Krister

> 23 okt. 2015 kl. 21:29 skrev Shawn Krasniuk :
>
> So I have a question for the people that 
think Apple is doing us a huge disservice with 
these bugs? If you feel that way, why are you 
still using their products? If you really do 
feel that Apple's not taking any responsibility 
for us because we're poor little blind people 
which I refuse to be labelled that way, don't 
know about anyone else, why not go to a 
different operating system like Android? See, 
Krister has a point. No matter how long we take 
to beta test products and when the official 
release does come out, people always have to 
find something else to bitch about. It makes me 
wonder sometimes why I bother beta testing for 
these spoiled folks that think everything 
should be perfect and go on bashing the people 
that are involved in trying to make the 
software a success. And then I remember that 
there are people that do appreciate what people 
like myself are doing. So to those people, 
thanks, and to those other people, sorry to disappoint you.

>
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>
>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
>>
>>
>> hi.
>> very well said.
>> there are people in this group who needed to hear your words.
>> what it can  be good for them, it may not be for others.
>> and for me it is not.
>> Apple has to take more responsibility for 
the blind community in this world.

>> some people think that what Apple does for us, it's a favor.
>> we do not need favors, but rights.
>> and we must fight for our rights.
>> and this is not just for Apple, but for all 
companies that do not respect us as they should
>> we always do our part in cooperation  in 
solving the problems, but the apple never treat 
us with the same rights that deals with sighted people.

>>
>> apple has the ability to solve the problems 
of the sighted, why  it also does not solve the 
problems of the blind with the same capacity?

>> blind are those who do not want to see ...
>>
>> and I'm blind, but I want to see!
>> and always want the best for me!
>> and if I am an apple user,
>> I'm also a client.
>> and if I am a client, I have to be treated with respect.
>> and respect for me, is to have equal rights.
>> thank you for your words.
>> cheers.
>>
>> Às 13:37 de 23/10/2015, Christopher Chaltain escreveu:
>>> I can assure you, I'm not missing the 
point. The fact that Apple has a lot of 
products is irrelevant. Apple is also the 
wealthiest company in the world, due to the 
fact that they have a lot of successful 
products. I'm not going to cut them any slack 
because they have a lot of products since they 
also have a lot of resources. If they have too 
many products, and they can't maintain a 
certain level of quality across those products 
then they need to make some changes in 
priorities and business decisions. Note, I'm 
not saying Apple has a quality issue or that 
they don't care about accessibility. I'm just 
saying that the argument that they have a lot of products is bogus.

>>>
>>> I can't help it if you think the issues 
I've reported are trivial, but they certainly 
are not to me. Having to hard reset my phone 
every time I get a call when my headset is 
attached certainly impacts my ability to use my 
iPhone the way I've been using it for years. I 
can also tell you that I process a lot fewer 
emails now that I have to recycle VoiceOver 
every time I reply to an email message. I use 
an iPhone for both my personal use and for my 
job, and these bugs are definitely impacting my 
ability to be productive at work.

>>>
>>> I'm sorry the fact that I'm a lot less 
reluctant to recommend an iPhone to a blind 
user, at least not without telling them the 
bugs I'm running into on IOS 9 bothers you, but 
I'd hate to have a blind person get an iPhone 
and then run into the problems I'm seeing. If 
they don't use the phone the way I do, or they 
don't see these bugs themselves, then that's 
great, but at least they'll be making an 
informed decision. My real point in say

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rajmund]

Hello,

I'm with you; Siri voices have too many quirks, Alex is creeping me out, I'm 
with you. But, try disabling pitch change? That's the Medicine my Samantha has 
gotten, and she works since. 

- Original Message -
From: Christina C.  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 11:37 pm
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

>
>
> Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
> deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male 
> Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better 
> but I can't listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo 
> frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a 
> comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I'm stuck and wish I 
> could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone..
> 
> I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
> show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did 
> was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. 
> This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need 
> to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
> thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.
> 
> Christina
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> > 
> > For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> > 
> > 1.
> > However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> > am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> > persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> > zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> > (smile).  
> > 
> > 2.
> > I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> > phone.
> > 
> > 3.
> > Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> > degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> > release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> > Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> > Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> > been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> > 
> > In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> > pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> > imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> > whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> > Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> > (Smile).   
> > 
> > 4.
> > Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> > 
> > For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> > feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> > or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> > 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> > feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> > great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> > to dictate to itself.
> > 
> > 5.
> > I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> > though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> > turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> > area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> > total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> > though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> > into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> > after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> > a thing before.
> > 
> > 6.
> > As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> > 
> > 7.
> > Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> > is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> > whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> > from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> > 
> > What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> > short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> > structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> > are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> > actually rewritten to the disk..
> > 
> > Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> > you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> > you may have added remain, after the updat

RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Cris Ali]

I am fine with samantha's default voice.  I can't deal with the high quality 
voice.  It is terrible.  Just use the default Samantha voice.
Regards,

Cris

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christina C.
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male Siri 
and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better but I 
can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo frustrated. I have 
never had this problem before where I could not find a comfortable voice. Alex 
is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I could get some of the voices 
from voice Dream reader on my phone.

I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did was 
enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. This was 
on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need to 
re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.

Christina
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple 
> engineers, I am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom 
> VoiceOver bug still persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, 
> enabling VoiceOver, after zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom. 
>  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when 
> waking the phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been 
> greatly degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with 
> every major release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
> declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is 
> that Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in 
> iOS 8, has been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
> somewhat pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  
> I cannot imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long 
> stretches of texts, whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have 
> even been at issue.  Is Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a 
> conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, 
> the feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a 
> Bluetooth or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if 
> one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, 
> then the feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop 
> ensues causing a great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, 
> hearing VoiceOver, begins to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to 
> me as though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  
> I just turned off a lot of items that were active in the background 
> app refresh area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you 
> that I updated a total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 
> 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of those two phones that were already 
> running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet at the time of the update, 
> via OTA, both had less charge after updating than they did, before the 
> update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
> (over-the-air) is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via 
> a USB cable.  For whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of 
> more problems when going from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  
> In short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and 
> file structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is 
> as if you are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data 
> clusters are actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  
> When you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard 
> shortcuts you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when 
> you update via iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard 
> shortcuts exist, mea

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Lois Butterfield]

Try the compact Samantha.  I have always used that, and I think it has 
improved.  You might like it now.


Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Christina C.

Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male 
Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds 
better but I can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo 
frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a 
comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I 
could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone.


I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard 
shortcuts show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. 
All I did was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were 
in tact. This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did 
not need to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with 
this strange thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.


Christina

On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.

For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.

1.
However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, 
I

am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
(smile).

2.
I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking 
the

phone.

3.
Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
declining.

Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, 
has

been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.

In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
somewhat

pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
(Smile).

4.
Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.

For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only 
dictates
1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then 
the

feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, 
begins

to dictate to itself.

5.
I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were 
plugged

into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen 
such

a thing before.

6.
As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.

7.
Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
(over-the-air)

is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when 
going

from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.

What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if 
you

are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
actually rewritten to the disk..

Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference. 
When

you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.

I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between 
the

two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
Apple iOS design engineer.

I'll be honest, I have not used the iTune

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Christina C.]

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male Siri 
and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better but I 
can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo frustrated. I have 
never had this problem before where I could not find a comfortable voice. Alex 
is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I could get some of the voices 
from voice Dream reader on my phone.

I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did was 
enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. This was 
on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need to 
re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.

Christina
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
> iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
> meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
> 
> I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
> two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
> Apple iOS design engineer.  
> 
> I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
> became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
> problems resolved after havin

Re: How do I get my purchased voices back in VoiceDream?

[Mary Otten]

Hi Keith,
So you upgraded an old phone which had voice dream on it, and you lost your 
voices? That seems weird. If nothing else, you should be able to select the iOS 
voice and use that to read the book. As far as getting your voice is back, you 
should be able to go into settings, manage my voice is I think it's called, 
Restore purchased voices. In there, you should see the names of voices, and be 
offered the chance to download with a link. Double tap the link next to the 
name of the voice, and it should appear. Now I was not able to get my iVona 
voices back. They downloaded just fine. But they don't work. Hopefully you will 
not have that problem.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> HI,
> 
> Just updated to iOS 9.1.
> 
> Went to VoiceDream and tried to read an article newly transferred in from PDF.
> 
> When I tried to play the article, I get the messageNo Available Voice.
> 
> I've gone into Audio, Manage My Voices, and Restore Purchased Voices. 
> Whatever I've done thereafter, the details of which I don't really remember, 
> haven't brought a voice to the article.
> 
> Can someone please provide some guidance?
> 
> Thanks in advance, Keith
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How do I get my purchased voices back in VoiceDream?

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

HI,

Just updated to iOS 9.1.

Went to VoiceDream and tried to read an article newly transferred in from PDF.

When I tried to play the article, I get the messageNo Available Voice.

I've gone into Audio, Manage My Voices, and Restore Purchased Voices. Whatever 
I've done thereafter, the details of which I don't really remember, haven't 
brought a voice to the article.

Can someone please provide some guidance?

Thanks in advance, Keith

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Re: Calls: EndingCalls-iPhone

[Cheryl Lenartiene]

Yes. If you are holding your phone to your ear while you are on a call, 
pressing the Sleep/Wake button ends the call.

Cheryl

Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances;
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Is there a "way" to utilize the PowerButton to EndCalls ON an iPhone? If so, 
> (Please) Detail these "steps" for me & other interested Listers. Thanx 
> YourServices are Much Appreciated!
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mail. new keyboard shortcut commands

[Mário Navarro]

hi.
someone can answer me this question?
I am using an iPad Mini2, and I am not able to use the new keyboard 
shortcut commands in the mail app.


I already know all new mail shortcuts on ios 9 for the mail, but in my 
apple bluetooth keyboard, these shortcuts do not work.

Some tips?
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: GPS And Data Usage

[Andy Baracco]

Blind Square and Seeing Eye GPS do use data because they ping a server for 
realtime location data. I believe that they only download the data that they 
actually need as you move along. An app like Navigon stores its maps on the 
device, so has much less need to pull data from an online server.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Lisa Belville

Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 10:27 AM
To: VIphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: GPS And Data Usage

Hi, all.

I usually use the Trekker Breeze as a GPS, but I'm interested in trying some
of the paid GPS apps like Blind Squared or the Seeing Eye GPS.

How do these apps manage data?  For example, how much data would I use for a
45 minute walk around a semi residential/business neighborhood?

I have Verizon Wireless as my cell carrier in the U.S.  I have a good plan
as far as minutes and texting is concerned, but only 500 mb of data each
billing cycle.

TIA

Lisa

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How is behaving the iPhone 4s with ios 9.1?

[Luís Melo]

Hi,
I own an iPhone 4s with 8.4. Can i upgrade to 9.1?
Best regards,
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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Regina Alvarado]

I am writing this with mBraille which since 9x has worked beautifully for me 
basically. Going to try and fix, but has anyone been having difficulty with 
Siri? The last 2 days I cannot talk to her. I have her turned on and so is hey 
siri, but no siri. 

As for bugs, which was what I wanted to comment on anyway but could not 
dictate, remember that Apple gave us voice over for free out of the box. Any 
dealing I have had with the accessibility or genuses, etc. Has been courteous 
and they work hard to fix the problem. No paying for upgrades or keeping so 
much money in your account to get help. Samantha may not be Paul, but she is 
free. Also, Tim Cook said he would not throw out Voice over or those who help 
it do better just because stockholders think it should be scrapped. He won a 
fan here!! The stockholders don't care about a small group of people, but 
he does and so do his engineers. I am not saying we should not bring things to 
their attention, but tearing them down, no way will I. I put up with the most 
annoying bug for a year, where the focus was on reply instead of delete in 
mail, and it was fixed. So, instant gratification, no, but it eventually gets 
fixed which is why when a bug is noticed many should write. It lets them know 
the most important ones to fix. By the way, I am so grateful to all those on 
this list and from applevis who beta. They may not catch all bugs on all 
phones, but they are great at helping to catch them. Now I'll return to my hole.

reggie & Lex

On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:


hi,

I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple doesn't 
get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the degree of feedback 
I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs they have fixed that I've 
reported. I wish there was a longer time period between WWDC in June and iPhone 
releases in September, as I think the current timeline is incredibly tight. It 
seems to be too tight for them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely 
trying, most of the bugs this year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, 
and they've fixed a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial 
ones like answering the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing 
reasonably well overall.

Best,
Anna


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> Everyone,
> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last
> year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number
> were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone
> across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with
> iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the
> buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are
> bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have
> been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with.
> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought,
> look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it
> is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one
> else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen
> reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream
> software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for
> the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the
> software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple
>> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that will
>> be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. Your target
>> isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you weren't going to do
>> something because of a negative reaction by a minority of members on
>> this list or in any community then you'd never do anything.
>> 
>> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't
>> mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS 9,
>> answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails is so
>> bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've come to
>> depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list
>> about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use
>> our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user
>> because they're more impacted by a bug than we are.
>> 
>> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to go
>> before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific has
>> gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't see the fan boyism
>> for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blin

Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Haven't used windows

- Original Message -
From: Krister Ekstrom  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

>
>
> Finally someone who sees sense! It's always the negativity that sticks around 
> in the blind community even though sites like Applevis tries to tell about 
> actual features of the system. It's for the features and functionality i 
> upgrade not to find things to bitch about. Call me a fan boy, but there's a 
> reason why i am, and it's because Apples products even with bugs work way, 
> way, way better than Windblows did on my PCs.
> /Krister
> 
> > 23 okt. 2015 kl. 21:29 skrev Shawn Krasniuk :
> > 
> > So I have a question for the people that think Apple is doing us a huge 
> > disservice with these bugs? If you feel that way, why are you still using 
> > their products? If you really do feel that Apple's not taking any 
> > responsibility for us because we're poor little blind people which I refuse 
> > to be labelled that way, don't know about anyone else, why not go to a 
> > different operating system like Android? See, Krister has a point. No 
> > matter how long we take to beta test products and when the official release 
> > does come out, people always have to find something else to bitch about. It 
> > makes me wonder sometimes why I bother beta testing for these spoiled folks 
> > that think everything should be perfect and go on bashing the people that 
> > are involved in trying to make the software a success. And then I remember 
> > that there are people that do appreciate what people like myself are doing. 
> > So to those people, thanks, and to those other people, sorry to disappoint 
> > you.
> > 
> > Shawn
> > Sent From My White MacBook
> > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> > 
> >> On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> hi.
> >> very well said.
> >> there are people in this group who needed to hear your words.
> >> what it can  be good for them, it may not be for others.
> >> and for me it is not.
> >> Apple has to take more responsibility for the blind community in this 
> >> world.
> >> some people think that what Apple does for us, it's a favor.
> >> we do not need favors, but rights.
> >> and we must fight for our rights.
> >> and this is not just for Apple, but for all companies that do not respect 
> >> us as they should
> >> we always do our part in cooperation  in solving the problems, but the 
> >> apple never treat us with the same rights that deals with sighted people.
> >> 
> >> apple has the ability to solve the problems of the sighted, why  it also 
> >> does not solve the problems of the blind with the same capacity?
> >> blind are those who do not want to see ...
> >> 
> >> and I'm blind, but I want to see!
> >> and always want the best for me!
> >> and if I am an apple user,
> >> I'm also a client.
> >> and if I am a client, I have to be treated with respect.
> >> and respect for me, is to have equal rights.
> >> thank you for your words.
> >> cheers.
> >> 
> >> as 13:37 de 23/10/2015, Christopher Chaltain escreveu:
> >>> I can assure you, I'm not missing the point. The fact that Apple has a 
> >>> lot of products is irrelevant. Apple is also the wealthiest company in 
> >>> the world, due to the fact that they have a lot of successful products. 
> >>> I'm not going to cut them any slack because they have a lot of products 
> >>> since they also have a lot of resources. If they have too many products, 
> >>> and they can't maintain a certain level of quality across those products 
> >>> then they need to make some changes in priorities and business decisions. 
> >>> Note, I'm not saying Apple has a quality issue or that they don't care 
> >>> about accessibility.. I'm just saying that the argument that they have a 
> >>> lot of products is bogus.
> >>> 
> >>> I can't help it if you think the issues I've reported are trivial, but 
> >>> they certainly are not to me. Having to hard reset my phone every time I 
> >>> get a call when my headset is attached certainly impacts my ability to 
> >>> use my iPhone the way I've been using it for years. I can also tell you 
> >>> that I process a lot fewer emails now that I have to recycle VoiceOver 
> >>> every time I reply to an email message. I use an iPhone for both my 
> >>> personal use and for my job, and these bugs are definitely impacting my 
> >>> ability to be productive at work.
> >>> 
> >>> I'm sorry the fact that I'm a lot less reluctant to recommend an iPhone 
> >>> to a blind user, at least not without telling them the bugs I'm running 
> >>> into on IOS 9 bothers you, but I'd hate to have a blind person get an 
> >>> iPhone and then run into the problems I'm seeing. If they don't use the 
> >>> phone the way I do, or they don't see these bugs themselves, then that's 
> >>> great

Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Rajmund]

Hello,
OK, I'll answer. After note takers, these things are luxurious. BUT I also keep 
remind myself of humanware, where the apex is unstable. I'm just worried, apple 
is following them. As for the other point, I, at least, don't blame the beta 
testers. You, you have done your part. Its not your responsibility to fix bugs, 
you can only do as much as reporting. 

- Original Message -
From: Shawn Krasniuk  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 8:29 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

>
>
> So I have a question for the people that think Apple is doing us a huge 
> disservice with these bugs? If you feel that way, why are you still using 
> their products? If you really do feel that Apple's not taking any 
> responsibility for us because we're poor little blind people which I refuse 
> to be labelled that way, don't know about anyone else, why not go to a 
> different operating system like Android? See, Krister has a point. No matter 
> how long we take to beta test products and when the official release does 
> come out, people always have to find something else to bitch about. It makes 
> me wonder sometimes why I bother beta testing for these spoiled folks that 
> think everything should be perfect and go on bashing the people that are 
> involved in trying to make the software a success. And then I remember that 
> there are people that do appreciate what people like myself are doing. So to 
> those people, thanks, and to those other people, sorry to disappoint you.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
> > On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > hi.
> > very well said.
> > there are people in this group who needed to hear your words.
> > what it can  be good for them, it may not be for others.
> > and for me it is not.
> > Apple has to take more responsibility for the blind community in this world.
> > some people think that what Apple does for us, it's a favor.
> > we do not need favors, but rights.
> > and we must fight for our rights.
> > and this is not just for Apple, but for all companies that do not respect 
> > us as they should
> > we always do our part in cooperation  in solving the problems, but the 
> > apple never treat us with the same rights that deals with sighted people.
> > 
> > apple has the ability to solve the problems of the sighted, why  it also 
> > does not solve the problems of the blind with the same capacity?
> > blind are those who do not want to see ...
> > 
> > and I'm blind, but I want to see!
> > and always want the best for me!
> > and if I am an apple user,
> > I'm also a client.
> > and if I am a client, I have to be treated with respect.
> > and respect for me, is to have equal rights.
> > thank you for your words.
> > cheers.
> > 
> > as 13:37 de 23/10/2015, Christopher Chaltain escreveu:
> >> I can assure you, I'm not missing the point. The fact that Apple has a lot 
> >> of products is irrelevant. Apple is also the wealthiest company in the 
> >> world, due to the fact that they have a lot of successful products. I'm 
> >> not going to cut them any slack because they have a lot of products since 
> >> they also have a lot of resources. If they have too many products, and 
> >> they can't maintain a certain level of quality across those products then 
> >> they need to make some changes in priorities and business decisions. Note, 
> >> I'm not saying Apple has a quality issue or that they don't care about 
> >> accessibility. I'm just saying that the argument that they have a lot of 
> >> products is bogus.
> >> 
> >> I can't help it if you think the issues I've reported are trivial, but 
> >> they certainly are not to me. Having to hard reset my phone every time I 
> >> get a call when my headset is attached certainly impacts my ability to use 
> >> my iPhone the way I've been using it for years. I can also tell you that I 
> >> process a lot fewer emails now that I have to recycle VoiceOver every time 
> >> I reply to an email message. I use an iPhone for both my personal use and 
> >> for my job, and these bugs are definitely impacting my ability to be 
> >> productive at work.
> >> 
> >> I'm sorry the fact that I'm a lot less reluctant to recommend an iPhone to 
> >> a blind user, at least not without telling them the bugs I'm running into 
> >> on IOS 9 bothers you, but I'd hate to have a blind person get an iPhone 
> >> and then run into the problems I'm seeing. If they don't use the phone the 
> >> way I do, or they don't see these bugs themselves, then that's great, but 
> >> at least they'll be making an informed decision. My real point in saying 
> >> that though, was that people's impression of IOS 8 versus IOS 9 has a lot 
> >> to do with how they use their phone. I was not an IOS 8 basher, but I'm 
> >> definitely running into a lot more issue th

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I did that.

- Original Message -
From: M. Taylor  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 8:19 pm
Subject: RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

>
>
> Hello Rick,
> 
> I just hope that everyone who has noticed the degradation of the US English 
> Enhanced Voice, (Samantha) will submit a feedback report to Apple.
> 
> Mark
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rick Alfaro
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 9:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
> 
> She does seem to have developed somewhat of a New York accent on many words.. 
> Talk now sounds like toowalk. (grin)
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I 
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still 
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after 
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the 
> phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly 
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major 
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that 
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has 
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat 
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot 
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts, 
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is 
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the 
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth or 
> wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the 
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a 
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins 
> to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as 
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just 
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh area 
> so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a total of 
> three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of 
> those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet 
> at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge after updating than 
> they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air) 
> is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For 
> whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going 
> from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In 
> short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file 
> structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you 
> are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are 
> actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When 
> you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts 
> you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via 
> iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist, meaning 
> you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
> 
> I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the 
> two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior Apple 
> iOS design engineer.  
> 
> I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option became 
> available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing prob

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Yes, that's what I have  done, too. Disable pitch change, and enhanced 
Samantha, once again, can be used.

- Original Message -
From: Ed Worrell  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 8:13 pm
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

>
>
> Hey Mark,
> 
> If using the Samantha voice turn of the pitch change and this seems to fix 
> the "helium" like qualities of the Samantha voice. I haven't noticed any bugs 
> with dictation, but I am on a new iPhone 6S+. and It is wonderful. *Not to 
> brag though. I didn't see any other issues like battery drain whilst I was 
> running the beta on my old iPhone 6, but something could have changed between 
> the beta and the current release as well, and I don't have that phone anymore 
> so I can't help you other wise.
> 
> Ed
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> > 
> > For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> > 
> > 1.
> > However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> > am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> > persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> > zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> > (smile).  
> > 
> > 2.
> > I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> > phone.
> > 
> > 3.
> > Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> > degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> > release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> > Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> > Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> > been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> > 
> > In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> > pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> > imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> > whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> > Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> > (Smile).   
> > 
> > 4.
> > Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> > 
> > For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> > feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> > or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> > 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> > feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> > great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> > to dictate to itself.
> > 
> > 5.
> > I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> > though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> > turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> > area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> > total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> > though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> > into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> > after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> > a thing before.
> > 
> > 6.
> > As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> > 
> > 7.
> > Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> > is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> > whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> > from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> > 
> > What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> > short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> > structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> > are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> > actually rewritten to the disk..
> > 
> > Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> > you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> > you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
> > iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
> > meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
> > 
> > I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
> > two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
> > Apple iOS design engineer.  
> > 
> > I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
> > became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
> > 

Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Daniel Miller]

I agree with the last 2 posters. To those people that are complaining because 
things don’t work the way *you* think they should work, don’t let the door hit 
ya where the good lord split ya.
> On Oct 23, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Finally someone who sees sense! It’s always the negativity that sticks around 
> in the blind community even though sites like Applevis tries to tell about 
> actual features of the system. It’s for the features and functionality i 
> upgrade not to find things to bitch about. Call me a fan boy, but there’s a 
> reason why i am, and it’s because Apples products even with bugs work way, 
> way, way better than Windblows did on my PCs.
> /Krister
> 
>> 23 okt. 2015 kl. 21:29 skrev Shawn Krasniuk :
>> 
>> So I have a question for the people that think Apple is doing us a huge 
>> disservice with these bugs? If you feel that way, why are you still using 
>> their products? If you really do feel that Apple's not taking any 
>> responsibility for us because we're poor little blind people which I refuse 
>> to be labelled that way, don't know about anyone else, why not go to a 
>> different operating system like Android? See, Krister has a point. No matter 
>> how long we take to beta test products and when the official release does 
>> come out, people always have to find something else to bitch about. It makes 
>> me wonder sometimes why I bother beta testing for these spoiled folks that 
>> think everything should be perfect and go on bashing the people that are 
>> involved in trying to make the software a success. And then I remember that 
>> there are people that do appreciate what people like myself are doing. So to 
>> those people, thanks, and to those other people, sorry to disappoint you.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> hi.
>>> very well said.
>>> there are people in this group who needed to hear your words.
>>> what it can  be good for them, it may not be for others.
>>> and for me it is not.
>>> Apple has to take more responsibility for the blind community in this world.
>>> some people think that what Apple does for us, it's a favor.
>>> we do not need favors, but rights.
>>> and we must fight for our rights.
>>> and this is not just for Apple, but for all companies that do not respect 
>>> us as they should
>>> we always do our part in cooperation  in solving the problems, but the 
>>> apple never treat us with the same rights that deals with sighted people.
>>> 
>>> apple has the ability to solve the problems of the sighted, why  it also 
>>> does not solve the problems of the blind with the same capacity?
>>> blind are those who do not want to see ...
>>> 
>>> and I'm blind, but I want to see!
>>> and always want the best for me!
>>> and if I am an apple user,
>>> I'm also a client.
>>> and if I am a client, I have to be treated with respect.
>>> and respect for me, is to have equal rights.
>>> thank you for your words.
>>> cheers.
>>> 
>>> Às 13:37 de 23/10/2015, Christopher Chaltain escreveu:
 I can assure you, I'm not missing the point. The fact that Apple has a lot 
 of products is irrelevant. Apple is also the wealthiest company in the 
 world, due to the fact that they have a lot of successful products. I'm 
 not going to cut them any slack because they have a lot of products since 
 they also have a lot of resources. If they have too many products, and 
 they can't maintain a certain level of quality across those products then 
 they need to make some changes in priorities and business decisions. Note, 
 I'm not saying Apple has a quality issue or that they don't care about 
 accessibility. I'm just saying that the argument that they have a lot of 
 products is bogus.
 
 I can't help it if you think the issues I've reported are trivial, but 
 they certainly are not to me. Having to hard reset my phone every time I 
 get a call when my headset is attached certainly impacts my ability to use 
 my iPhone the way I've been using it for years. I can also tell you that I 
 process a lot fewer emails now that I have to recycle VoiceOver every time 
 I reply to an email message. I use an iPhone for both my personal use and 
 for my job, and these bugs are definitely impacting my ability to be 
 productive at work.
 
 I'm sorry the fact that I'm a lot less reluctant to recommend an iPhone to 
 a blind user, at least not without telling them the bugs I'm running into 
 on IOS 9 bothers you, but I'd hate to have a blind person get an iPhone 
 and then run into the problems I'm seeing. If they don't use the phone the 
 way I do, or they don't see these bugs themselves, then that's great, but 
 at least they'll be making an info

Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Krister Ekstrom]

Finally someone who sees sense! It’s always the negativity that sticks around 
in the blind community even though sites like Applevis tries to tell about 
actual features of the system. It’s for the features and functionality i 
upgrade not to find things to bitch about. Call me a fan boy, but there’s a 
reason why i am, and it’s because Apples products even with bugs work way, way, 
way better than Windblows did on my PCs.
/Krister

> 23 okt. 2015 kl. 21:29 skrev Shawn Krasniuk :
> 
> So I have a question for the people that think Apple is doing us a huge 
> disservice with these bugs? If you feel that way, why are you still using 
> their products? If you really do feel that Apple's not taking any 
> responsibility for us because we're poor little blind people which I refuse 
> to be labelled that way, don't know about anyone else, why not go to a 
> different operating system like Android? See, Krister has a point. No matter 
> how long we take to beta test products and when the official release does 
> come out, people always have to find something else to bitch about. It makes 
> me wonder sometimes why I bother beta testing for these spoiled folks that 
> think everything should be perfect and go on bashing the people that are 
> involved in trying to make the software a success. And then I remember that 
> there are people that do appreciate what people like myself are doing. So to 
> those people, thanks, and to those other people, sorry to disappoint you.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> hi.
>> very well said.
>> there are people in this group who needed to hear your words.
>> what it can  be good for them, it may not be for others.
>> and for me it is not.
>> Apple has to take more responsibility for the blind community in this world.
>> some people think that what Apple does for us, it's a favor.
>> we do not need favors, but rights.
>> and we must fight for our rights.
>> and this is not just for Apple, but for all companies that do not respect us 
>> as they should
>> we always do our part in cooperation  in solving the problems, but the apple 
>> never treat us with the same rights that deals with sighted people.
>> 
>> apple has the ability to solve the problems of the sighted, why  it also 
>> does not solve the problems of the blind with the same capacity?
>> blind are those who do not want to see ...
>> 
>> and I'm blind, but I want to see!
>> and always want the best for me!
>> and if I am an apple user,
>> I'm also a client.
>> and if I am a client, I have to be treated with respect.
>> and respect for me, is to have equal rights.
>> thank you for your words.
>> cheers.
>> 
>> Às 13:37 de 23/10/2015, Christopher Chaltain escreveu:
>>> I can assure you, I'm not missing the point. The fact that Apple has a lot 
>>> of products is irrelevant. Apple is also the wealthiest company in the 
>>> world, due to the fact that they have a lot of successful products. I'm not 
>>> going to cut them any slack because they have a lot of products since they 
>>> also have a lot of resources. If they have too many products, and they 
>>> can't maintain a certain level of quality across those products then they 
>>> need to make some changes in priorities and business decisions. Note, I'm 
>>> not saying Apple has a quality issue or that they don't care about 
>>> accessibility. I'm just saying that the argument that they have a lot of 
>>> products is bogus.
>>> 
>>> I can't help it if you think the issues I've reported are trivial, but they 
>>> certainly are not to me. Having to hard reset my phone every time I get a 
>>> call when my headset is attached certainly impacts my ability to use my 
>>> iPhone the way I've been using it for years. I can also tell you that I 
>>> process a lot fewer emails now that I have to recycle VoiceOver every time 
>>> I reply to an email message. I use an iPhone for both my personal use and 
>>> for my job, and these bugs are definitely impacting my ability to be 
>>> productive at work.
>>> 
>>> I'm sorry the fact that I'm a lot less reluctant to recommend an iPhone to 
>>> a blind user, at least not without telling them the bugs I'm running into 
>>> on IOS 9 bothers you, but I'd hate to have a blind person get an iPhone and 
>>> then run into the problems I'm seeing. If they don't use the phone the way 
>>> I do, or they don't see these bugs themselves, then that's great, but at 
>>> least they'll be making an informed decision. My real point in saying that 
>>> though, was that people's impression of IOS 8 versus IOS 9 has a lot to do 
>>> with how they use their phone. I was not an IOS 8 basher, but I'm 
>>> definitely running into a lot more issue that impact me and how I use my 
>>> phone on IOS 9 then I did on IOS 8. For me, the quality of IOS 9 has 
>

Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Shawn Krasniuk]

So I have a question for the people that think Apple is doing us a huge 
disservice with these bugs? If you feel that way, why are you still using their 
products? If you really do feel that Apple's not taking any responsibility for 
us because we're poor little blind people which I refuse to be labelled that 
way, don't know about anyone else, why not go to a different operating system 
like Android? See, Krister has a point. No matter how long we take to beta test 
products and when the official release does come out, people always have to 
find something else to bitch about. It makes me wonder sometimes why I bother 
beta testing for these spoiled folks that think everything should be perfect 
and go on bashing the people that are involved in trying to make the software a 
success. And then I remember that there are people that do appreciate what 
people like myself are doing. So to those people, thanks, and to those other 
people, sorry to disappoint you.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
> 
> 
> hi.
> very well said.
> there are people in this group who needed to hear your words.
> what it can  be good for them, it may not be for others.
> and for me it is not.
> Apple has to take more responsibility for the blind community in this world.
> some people think that what Apple does for us, it's a favor.
> we do not need favors, but rights.
> and we must fight for our rights.
> and this is not just for Apple, but for all companies that do not respect us 
> as they should
> we always do our part in cooperation  in solving the problems, but the apple 
> never treat us with the same rights that deals with sighted people.
> 
> apple has the ability to solve the problems of the sighted, why  it also does 
> not solve the problems of the blind with the same capacity?
> blind are those who do not want to see ...
> 
> and I'm blind, but I want to see!
> and always want the best for me!
> and if I am an apple user,
> I'm also a client.
> and if I am a client, I have to be treated with respect.
> and respect for me, is to have equal rights.
> thank you for your words.
> cheers.
> 
> Às 13:37 de 23/10/2015, Christopher Chaltain escreveu:
>> I can assure you, I'm not missing the point. The fact that Apple has a lot 
>> of products is irrelevant. Apple is also the wealthiest company in the 
>> world, due to the fact that they have a lot of successful products. I'm not 
>> going to cut them any slack because they have a lot of products since they 
>> also have a lot of resources. If they have too many products, and they can't 
>> maintain a certain level of quality across those products then they need to 
>> make some changes in priorities and business decisions. Note, I'm not saying 
>> Apple has a quality issue or that they don't care about accessibility. I'm 
>> just saying that the argument that they have a lot of products is bogus.
>> 
>> I can't help it if you think the issues I've reported are trivial, but they 
>> certainly are not to me. Having to hard reset my phone every time I get a 
>> call when my headset is attached certainly impacts my ability to use my 
>> iPhone the way I've been using it for years. I can also tell you that I 
>> process a lot fewer emails now that I have to recycle VoiceOver every time I 
>> reply to an email message. I use an iPhone for both my personal use and for 
>> my job, and these bugs are definitely impacting my ability to be productive 
>> at work.
>> 
>> I'm sorry the fact that I'm a lot less reluctant to recommend an iPhone to a 
>> blind user, at least not without telling them the bugs I'm running into on 
>> IOS 9 bothers you, but I'd hate to have a blind person get an iPhone and 
>> then run into the problems I'm seeing. If they don't use the phone the way I 
>> do, or they don't see these bugs themselves, then that's great, but at least 
>> they'll be making an informed decision. My real point in saying that though, 
>> was that people's impression of IOS 8 versus IOS 9 has a lot to do with how 
>> they use their phone. I was not an IOS 8 basher, but I'm definitely running 
>> into a lot more issue that impact me and how I use my phone on IOS 9 then I 
>> did on IOS 8. For me, the quality of IOS 9 has definitely deteriorated, so 
>> it isn't true for everyone that IOS 8 was this unmitigated disaster and IOS 
>> 9 has solved all of those issues.
>> 
>> On 10/23/2015 06:48 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think everyone’s missing the point here. Apple’s accessibility team is 
>>> not just focusing on VoiceOver, they’re focusing on an entire set of 
>>> features, covering different disabilities. Furthermore, they’ve now got 4 
>>> operating systems to focus on, rather than 2.
>>> None of the bugs mentioned in this thread absolutely prevent anyone from 
>>> using iOS, so let Apple 

RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[M. Taylor]

Hello Rick,

I just hope that everyone who has noticed the degradation of the US English 
Enhanced Voice, (Samantha) will submit a feedback report to Apple.

Mark
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 9:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

She does seem to have developed somewhat of a New York accent on many words. 
Talk now sounds like toowalk. (grin)



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Hello Everyone,

Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.

For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  

1.
However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I am 
a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still persist.  
However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after zooming in on 
an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
(smile).  

2.
I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the 
phone.

3.
Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly 
degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major 
release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that 
Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has 
been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.

In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat 
pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot imagine 
having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts, whereas in 
the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is Apple trying to 
force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
(Smile).   

4.
Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  

For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the 
feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth or 
wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the 
feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a great 
deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins to 
dictate to itself.

5.
I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as 
though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just turned 
off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh area so I'll 
see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a total of three 6 
plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of those two 
phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet at the time 
of the update, via OTA, both had less charge after updating than they did, 
before the update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.

6.
As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.

7.
Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air) is 
in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For whatever 
reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going from iOS 
8.x to 9.x via OTA.

What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In short, 
updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file structures, 
just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you are doing a 
fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are actually 
rewritten to the disk..

Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When you 
use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts you may 
have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via iTunes, you 
will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist, meaning you will have 
to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  

I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the two 
methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior Apple iOS 
design engineer.  

I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option became 
available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing problems 
resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it from now on, 
when possible.

Mark

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Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Mark,

If using the Samantha voice turn of the pitch change and this seems to fix the 
“helium” like qualities of the Samantha voice. I haven’t noticed any bugs with 
dictation, but I am on a new iPhone 6S+. and It is wonderful. *Not to brag 
though. I didn’t see any other issues like battery drain whilst I was running 
the beta on my old iPhone 6, but something could have changed between the beta 
and the current release as well, and I don’t have that phone anymore so I can’t 
help you other wise.

Ed
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
> iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
> meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
> 
> I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
> two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
> Apple iOS design engineer.  
> 
> I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
> became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
> problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
> from now on, when possible.
> 
> Mark
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RE: iOS 9.1 available

[M. Taylor]

Hello Christopher,

I completely understand your pessimism on this process, in fact, I shared it 
but, I can testify that it works.  

The odds of things kind of going hay-wire are greatly increased if you 
downgraded or switched to a public release on a device that was used in a beta, 
without using the method I posted.

Remember, the key here is to set the device up, complete with activation, as a 
new device.  Just so you know, since you intend to eventually restore your 
device from a backup, when setting up the phone as a new device, you can skip 
many of the setup steps such as entering WiFi passwords, setting up iCloud, 
etc.  All of these items will be restored upon restoration from the backup.  
The only thing you want to do is to receive an incoming call on the newly 
restored phone, with a headset attached, in order to verify that the problem 
has been resolved.  

Now, let me add one more ingredient to the troubleshooting soup, as it were 
(smile).  

While highly unlikely, it is possible that you downloaded a corrupted version 
of iOS 9.1.  I know Apple loves to claim that such things don't happen but, 
take it from me, they do, albeit rarely.  Therefore, as a last resort, should 
the steps I posted do not resolve your issue, then you will want to repeat the 
process only first have iTunes re-download a fresh copy of the .IPSW file, 
before installing.  

Before I performed the steps previously posted, I chose to force iTunes to 
download a fresh copy of the .IPSW file, before I began.  I like to always plan 
for the worse-case scenario (smile).

In order to force iTunes to download a fresh copy of the .IPSW file, all you 
need do is to delete the current copy from your computer, before launching 
iTunes.

The location of the file differs between the Mac and Windows so you can Google 
the file location or, if you are using Windows, let me know and I'll look up 
the exact folder location for you.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I'll give this a try this weekend, but I did restore my phone when I upgraded 
to IOS 9. I'm also running IOS 9.1, and I participated in the IOS 9.1 beta 
since I didn't figure I had anything to lose. I'm not optimistic this will 
solve the problem, but I'll give it a try.

On 10/23/2015 02:43 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello Christopher,
>
> If you have confirmed that you have, indeed, updated your device to iOS 9.1, 
> and you are still continuing to experience the VoiceOver incoming call bug, 
> which occurs when the included Apple wired headset is attached, then you will 
> most likely need to perform a fresh install of the OS.  To do this, you will 
> need access to a computer running the latest version of iTunes.
>
> Assuming you have such a computer, then perform the general broad steps as 
> follows:
>
> 1.
> Sync your device to iTunes on your computer.  During this process, a backup 
> of your device will be made.  I also suggest that you make certain that your 
> backup is encrypted.
>
> 2.
> Restore your phone, via iTunes.  At the appropriate prompt, select to setup 
> your phone as a new device.  Please make certain that the phone has an active 
> SIM card installed.
>
> 3.
> Once the phone has been setup as a new device, receive an incoming call, with 
> the attached headset to make certain that the problem has been resolved.
>
> 4.
> Finally, restore the backup, which was made in step 1, back to your phone.
>
> Remember, restoring from a backup, even an encrypted one, does not install 
> the OS but merely the settings and the apps/app data.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>
> I still have the phone issue where I can't answer a call with my headset 
> attached or I lose VoiceOver.
>
> On 10/22/2015 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> Hi Mario,
>>
>> Applevis stated that they have not yet completed testing and people should 
>> let them know if other bugs have been fixed. One bug which I think was a big 
>> deal for those who were effected was the phone issue where when a headset 
>> was connected your iPhone could become totally unresponsive with Voiceover 
>> gone silent after hanging up a phone call. As far as I can tell and from 
>> what I heard from others that has been fixed. Also, the focus bug has been 
>> fixed or at least it is fixed in apps like mail where focus now correctly 
>> remains on whichever email you were on when you open a message and go back 
>> out to the inbox.
>>
>> I can't speak for any Bluetooth issues since I very rarely use a Bluetooth 
>> keyboard, but for the most part I think iOS 9.1 is now every bit a

RE: GPS And Data Usage

[Walter Ramage]

Hi.  OK, I'm new to iPhone and blindsquare but I have a data package and as you 
do when you get a new thingy you tend to use it a lot.  I used my Blindsquare 
and apple maps for much longer than 45 minutes and over a month, I had only 
used 78mg of data.  I actually have a 10gig data package but it looks like I 
won't use anything close to even 10 percent of that.  When I was chatting with 
various providers and I asked how long a 2gig data allowance would give me and 
she said around 1,000 hours but I guess that would depend on what you intend 
doing.  However using those figures as a basis to work with, if you used your 
data for 16 hours a day for a 31 day month, you wouldn't reach 500mg.  You 
would reach 496mg but as I said, it would just depend on what you are doing.  
Walter.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lisa Belville
Sent: 23 October 2015 18:28
To: VIphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: GPS And Data Usage

Hi, all.

I usually use the Trekker Breeze as a GPS, but I'm interested in trying some 
of the paid GPS apps like Blind Squared or the Seeing Eye GPS.

How do these apps manage data?  For example, how much data would I use for a 
45 minute walk around a semi residential/business neighborhood?

I have Verizon Wireless as my cell carrier in the U.S.  I have a good plan 
as far as minutes and texting is concerned, but only 500 mb of data each 
billing cycle.

TIA

Lisa

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Re: Mail bug

[Jennie Facer]

I deleted them all yesterday.


Jenn and Kumi

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> it sounds like it took your server that long to remove the Email.
> When was the last time you removed all emails from your trash folder?
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I deleted a ton of email. Now on the home screen, the amount of new email is 
>> decreasing very slowly. It took about a half hour to tell me I had only 6 
>> unread emails. How do I fix this, or is this a bug? I'm running an iPhone 6 
>> s plus and 9.1. I hope I explained it okay. I went into settings and turned 
>> the badge icon off and on again for PIP settings. This was in notifications. 
>> Is there a work around?
>> Thanks,
>> Jenn
>> 
>> Jenn and Kumi
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RE: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Rose Combs]

As with the Time bug, my sounds are intermittent, sometimes I hear them, 
sometimes I do not.  iPhone 6, and 9.1.  


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Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1


i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
Richard


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
> the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
> device.
> 
> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
> 
> Mark
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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[chris]

Hi

Do these podcasts also talk about software for say the Apple TV? OS X? 
Watch OS? Don't worry if you don't know; I can always check them out. 
Podcasts on Apple TV is great!


On 23/10/2015 15:44, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly recommend the Today 
in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than one hour Podcast and it's usually well 
worth the listen. If you want the news in a much shorter format without all the How-To 
questions and callers, then check out the "Apple Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or 
so minutes and highlights the most important announcements. You can find both in your 
favourite Podcast client and both would mention any new betas which came out as well as 
when any new products go on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV which will be 
available to preorder next Monday and it will start shipping next Thursday.

Regards,
Sieghard



Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

Hello Mark,
Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the new 
release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few less, 
really.

- Original Message -
From: M. Taylor  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am
Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing




Hello Rajmund,

I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just checked 
the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.

Mark

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Behalf Of Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

Hello,
I know people can't speak about  it, and I don't expect them to, either. But is 
the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?

- Original Message -
From: Woody Anna Dresner  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing




hi,

I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple doesn't 
get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the degree of feedback 
I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs they have fixed that I've 
reported. I wish there was a longer time period between WWDC in June and iPhone 
releases in September, as I think the current timeline is incredibly tight. It 
seems to be too tight for them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely 
trying, most of the bugs this year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, 
and they've fixed a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial 
ones like answering the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing 
reasonably well overall.

Best,
Anna



On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

Everyone,
Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X
last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and
a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from
everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work.
Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the
masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There
are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that
the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't 
live with.
Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a
thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know
what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many
bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows,
JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely
used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some
degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs
before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for that next 
big thing.

Wayne

On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if
Apple doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed,
but that will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers.
Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you
weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a
minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never do 
anything.

You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that
doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4,
but with IOS 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and
responding to emails is so bad it makes the phone virtually
unusable for two task

RE: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Rose Combs]

Mine in 9.1 varies, sometimes it works and sometimes not.  


Rose Combs
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Colin McDonald
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Subject: Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

mine has been like that since 8.0

-Original Message- 
From: Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier today
that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will announce the
time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, it was so
convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  After pressing
the power or home button, the time does appear on the locked screen, just
under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it read.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Kiehne" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available


>I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the 
>following bug as reported:
> VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
> Power  button to wake my device.
>
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>
> I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
> focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
> mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
> that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
> bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
> back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
> Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 10/21/15, chris  wrote:
>> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
>> bombarded.
>>
>> On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
>>> because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
>>> battery before it downloads?
>>>
>>> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any 
>>> spelling
>>> errors.
>>>
 On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver  wrote:

 Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. 
 I
 stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
 upgrade.


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 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
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 Subject: iOS 9.1 available

 Attention everyone:

 iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)

 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Bug with voiceover rotor in 9.1?

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

OK, I'll watch for that one.

I think Rajmund said something about that in another post earlier today 
... but I could have that not quite right, so wrong 


Carol P

On 23/10/2015 16:22, Mary Otten wrote:

I had not noticed this behavior until now with 9.1. The rotor setting does not 
stick. Here is a scenario. You are reading a Mail message that has links in it. 
You finish reading the message, set the rotor for links, and flick  to find the 
link you want. Double tap the link, and that may take you either to webpage in 
Safari, or perhaps to the Facebook page that was linked. Once you arrive on 
that page, your rotor will be set to something other than links. I have found 
that if I am in mail and have it set to links, and move from one message to 
another within the mail app, the setting sticks. At least so far. I haven't 
tested it that much. But I have found it annoying enough that I think I would 
have noticed it in the past had it been present.
Mary


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GPS And Data Usage

[Lisa Belville]

Hi, all.

I usually use the Trekker Breeze as a GPS, but I'm interested in trying some 
of the paid GPS apps like Blind Squared or the Seeing Eye GPS.


How do these apps manage data?  For example, how much data would I use for a 
45 minute walk around a semi residential/business neighborhood?


I have Verizon Wireless as my cell carrier in the U.S.  I have a good plan 
as far as minutes and texting is concerned, but only 500 mb of data each 
billing cycle.


TIA

Lisa

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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,

good work, scott.

yes, same idea with visual concept, like movies, when giving description 
concepts, voice takes time to relay the description.  same idea with deaf 
and defblind having interpreters in front, and interpreters hears to give 
them time to function and relay to words to us.


that is lag time.

rich


-Original Message- 
From: Scott Davert

Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 11:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

Hi Chris Chaltain.
You shouldn't need to restart VoiceOver each time you reply to an
email, you should be able to wait a few seconds and VoiceOver will
come back. I will say that the 5S has a longer lag time than the 6S,
but I hope that may help.
I see no harm in letting people know of what bugs exist, whether you
are talking about Apple, Google, or Microsoft. In fact, not informing
someone of the shortcomings ahead of time is kind of doing them a
disservice.

Scott


On 10/23/15, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly
recommend the Today in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than one
hour Podcast and it's usually well worth the listen. If you want the news 
in

a much shorter format without all the How-To questions and callers, then
check out the "Apple Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or so minutes and 
highlights

the most important announcements. You can find both in your favourite
Podcast client and both would mention any new betas which came out as well
as when any new products go on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV
which will be available to preorder next Monday and it will start shipping
next Thursday.

Regards,
Sieghard



Regards,
Sieghard

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Of Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

Hello Mark,
Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the
new release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few
less, really.

- Original Message -
From: M. Taylor  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am
Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing




Hello Rajmund,

I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just
checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.

Mark

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Behalf Of Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

Hello,
I know people can't speak about  it, and I don't expect them to, either.
But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?

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From: Woody Anna Dresner  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

>
>
> hi,
>
> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple
> doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the
> degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the 
> bugs

> they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time
> period between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I 
> think

> the current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for
> them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the 
> bugs

> this year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed
> a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like
> answering the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing
> reasonably well overall.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Everyone,
> > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X
> > last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and
> > a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from
> > everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work.
> > Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the
> > masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There
> > are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that
> > the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that 
> > I

> > can't live with.
> > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
> > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
> > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a
> > thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know
> > what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many
> > bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows,
> > JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely
> > used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs t

RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rick Alfaro]

She does seem to have developed somewhat of a New York accent on many words. 
Talk now sounds like toowalk. (grin)



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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Subject: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Hello Everyone,

Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.

For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  

1.
However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
(smile).  

2.
I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
phone.

3.
Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.

In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
(Smile).   

4.
Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  

For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
to dictate to itself.

5.
I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
a thing before.

6.
As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.

7.
Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.

What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
actually rewritten to the disk..

Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  

I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
Apple iOS design engineer.  

I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
from now on, when possible.

Mark

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Re: Has anyone tried this?

[Kimber Gardner]

Hi Sandy,

This looks like a great crossword app. But I can't get the keyboard
activated either on the screen or externally. Even though the text
field says "editing" all I get is a bonking sound when I try to type.

I'm going to write to the developers.

Kimber

On 10/23/15, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As ever, frustrated with my access to online crosswords. Indeed, I till
> only have success with my old iPhone 4 running 6x. So, I bought the below,
> just short of ten Euros, and it looks VO friendly, but I can't work out how
> to use it with my keyboard and it doesn't seem to have an onboard keyboard.
> I think, if you are not using an external one, you could input with a pen.
>
> So, on the off-chance that someone out there loves crosswords and is
> prepared to risk the cash, do let me know if you work out how to use it,
> please
>
> Best, Sandy. Crosswords Classic by Stand Alone, Inc.
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Re: Mail bug

[Richard Turner]

it sounds like it took your server that long to remove the Email.
When was the last time you removed all emails from your trash folder?
Richard


> On Oct 23, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I deleted a ton of email. Now on the home screen, the amount of new email is 
> decreasing very slowly. It took about a half hour to tell me I had only 6 
> unread emails. How do I fix this, or is this a bug? I'm running an iPhone 6 s 
> plus and 9.1. I hope I explained it okay. I went into settings and turned the 
> badge icon off and on again for PIP settings. This was in notifications. Is 
> there a work around?
> Thanks,
> Jenn
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Mário Navarro]

hi.
very well said.
there are people in this group who needed to hear your words.
what it can  be good for them, it may not be for others.
and for me it is not.
Apple has to take more responsibility for the blind community in this world.
some people think that what Apple does for us, it's a favor.
we do not need favors, but rights.
and we must fight for our rights.
and this is not just for Apple, but for all companies that do not 
respect us as they should
we always do our part in cooperation  in solving the problems, but the 
apple never treat us with the same rights that deals with sighted people.


 apple has the ability to solve the problems of the sighted, why  it 
also does not solve the problems of the blind with the same capacity?

blind are those who do not want to see ...

and I'm blind, but I want to see!
and always want the best for me!
and if I am an apple user,
I'm also a client.
and if I am a client, I have to be treated with respect.
and respect for me, is to have equal rights.
thank you for your words.
cheers.

Às 13:37 de 23/10/2015, Christopher Chaltain escreveu:
I can assure you, I'm not missing the point. The fact that Apple has a 
lot of products is irrelevant. Apple is also the wealthiest company in 
the world, due to the fact that they have a lot of successful 
products. I'm not going to cut them any slack because they have a lot 
of products since they also have a lot of resources. If they have too 
many products, and they can't maintain a certain level of quality 
across those products then they need to make some changes in 
priorities and business decisions. Note, I'm not saying Apple has a 
quality issue or that they don't care about accessibility. I'm just 
saying that the argument that they have a lot of products is bogus.


I can't help it if you think the issues I've reported are trivial, but 
they certainly are not to me. Having to hard reset my phone every time 
I get a call when my headset is attached certainly impacts my ability 
to use my iPhone the way I've been using it for years. I can also tell 
you that I process a lot fewer emails now that I have to recycle 
VoiceOver every time I reply to an email message. I use an iPhone for 
both my personal use and for my job, and these bugs are definitely 
impacting my ability to be productive at work.


I'm sorry the fact that I'm a lot less reluctant to recommend an 
iPhone to a blind user, at least not without telling them the bugs I'm 
running into on IOS 9 bothers you, but I'd hate to have a blind person 
get an iPhone and then run into the problems I'm seeing. If they don't 
use the phone the way I do, or they don't see these bugs themselves, 
then that's great, but at least they'll be making an informed 
decision. My real point in saying that though, was that people's 
impression of IOS 8 versus IOS 9 has a lot to do with how they use 
their phone. I was not an IOS 8 basher, but I'm definitely running 
into a lot more issue that impact me and how I use my phone on IOS 9 
then I did on IOS 8. For me, the quality of IOS 9 has definitely 
deteriorated, so it isn't true for everyone that IOS 8 was this 
unmitigated disaster and IOS 9 has solved all of those issues.


On 10/23/2015 06:48 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi,

I think everyone’s missing the point here. Apple’s accessibility team 
is not just focusing on VoiceOver, they’re focusing on an entire set 
of features, covering different disabilities. Furthermore, they’ve 
now got 4 operating systems to focus on, rather than 2.
None of the bugs mentioned in this thread absolutely prevent anyone 
from using iOS, so let Apple fix them when they get to them on what 
is probably a gigantic list of things to fix, and not just for 
VoiceOver users.
Saying you can’t recommend the iPhone any more because of a few minor 
annoyances seems a bit far fetched in my opinion.



On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:37 AM, Rajmund  wrote:

Hello,
Yes, there are some worrying bugs, let's be fair.

- Original Message -
From: Christopher Chaltain  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing




For me, I didn't find any bugs in IOS 8 I couldn't live with. I never
regretted upgrading to IOS 8. IOS 9 is a different story. I lose
VoiceOver when I answer a call with my headset on, and VoiceOver 
freezes

when I reply to an email message. I'm still getting by with the work
arounds I've uncovered so far, but I'm much less satisfied with IOS 9
than I was with IOS 8, and I can't recommend the iPhone anymore to
another blind person, at least not without letting them know about 
these

issues.

On 10/22/2015 12:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi,
I guess you just said what i was trying to say earlier on only mor 
well spokenly than me.

Thanks for that.
/Krister


22 okt. 2015 kl. 18:59 skrev Wayne Merritt :

Everyone,
Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X 
last
year. A number of them were directly related to Voic

RE: Dictation bug fixed?

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi, I disagree in that it only makes perfect sense for a specific situation. If 
you are using a headset, then yes it makes sense but if not, it's not good at 
all IMHO. You have to first turhn speech off before dictating. If you don't, 
you basically get double insertion of what you dictated.

Having said that, I reported that it was fixed for me but last night, again in 
a mail composition edit field, the issue was back again. I have no idea as to 
why this seems to be intermittent but I'm no longer labeling it as fixed.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Daniel Miller
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?

Hi guys,

If you really take the time to calm down and think about it, it seems like they 
intentionally did that by design. Let me explain why I think so before you all 
go on a rant about how it’s not fixed and apple doesn’t care about 
accessibility, blah blah blah.
It makes perfect sense for this to be by design, because sometimes dictation 
will not always respond back with what you actually said, especially in noisy 
environments, so having VoiceOver read you what dictation is hearing can be a 
lifesaver, that way you know 100% that what you’re saying is what’s going to be 
inserted into the text field.
I kind of like that, and hope they don’t revert back to how it was before.

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> 
> Very interesting as some seem to have it fixd and others not. I just tested 
> quickly in the mail composition window and I was very happy to see that it 
> seems fixed at least for me. Hopefully, it will stay that way.
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marissa Solaun
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
> Turn off the speech of VO then turn it back on after dictation. It seems 
> fixed at least on my device 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Lisa Soulor  wrote:
> 
> No, unfortunately it isn't. I tried it as soon as I downloaded and
> installed 9.1 because that is the biggest problem I have had.
> Lisa
> 
>> On 10/21/15, Marissa Solaun  wrote:
>> I want to find out with iOS 9.1 if anybody has found out if the dictation
>> bug with voiceover is fixed. The bug but I'm referring to is what saved in
>> incoming text message and you reply directly from the notification itself
>> and you were using voiceover when you dictate originally voice from her
>> would say the contents of what you have dictated and dictate would insert
>> that into your message
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RE: Stop force closing apps on your iPhone, it's not making it run faster or last longer

[SSEric]

Have not been following the thread...

I recently read an article claiming that closing frequently used apps uses
battery. Actually, reopening those apps uses battery.

If this is even true, I doubt it could be enough to matter in a battery
cycle. It read like someone just trying to meet their quota articles

Eric


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Mail bug

[Jennie Facer]

Hi,

I deleted a ton of email. Now on the home screen, the amount of new email is 
decreasing very slowly. It took about a half hour to tell me I had only 6 
unread emails. How do I fix this, or is this a bug? I'm running an iPhone 6 s 
plus and 9.1. I hope I explained it okay. I went into settings and turned the 
badge icon off and on again for PIP settings. This was in notifications. Is 
there a work around?
Thanks,
Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

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Calls: EndingCalls-iPhone

[Robin]

Is there a "way" to utilize the PowerButton to EndCalls ON an iPhone? 
If so, (Please) Detail these "steps" for me & other interested 
Listers. Thanx YourServices are Much Appreciated!


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Re: accessible guitar tuner with the iPhone6

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Well, I've had guitar tuner, ukulele tuner and mandolin tuner all off the same 
producer.  They all take this name format, are cheap, 
and accessible.

Failing that, there are generic tuners, of which Talking Tuner is one of the 
more obvious since it talks and speaks out the 
percentage value of how close or far from a particular tone you are.  Time 
consuming waiting for it to work it out sometimes; and do 
resort to tone based tuners sometimes.  Having a pitch pipe is the obvious 
thing to have for that and keep it close to the guitar. 
In the guitar case for example.

Talking Tuner is the one I use most.

BobH.
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 10:50 AM
Subject: accessible guitar tuner with the iPhone6


Hi: Is there an accessible guitar tuner for the iPhone 6?

Thanks.

John J. Fioravanti,

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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Scott Davert]

Hi Chris Chaltain.
You shouldn't need to restart VoiceOver each time you reply to an
email, you should be able to wait a few seconds and VoiceOver will
come back. I will say that the 5S has a longer lag time than the 6S,
but I hope that may help.
I see no harm in letting people know of what bugs exist, whether you
are talking about Apple, Google, or Microsoft. In fact, not informing
someone of the shortcomings ahead of time is kind of doing them a
disservice.

Scott


On 10/23/15, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly
> recommend the Today in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than one
> hour Podcast and it's usually well worth the listen. If you want the news in
> a much shorter format without all the How-To questions and callers, then
> check out the "Apple Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or so minutes and highlights
> the most important announcements. You can find both in your favourite
> Podcast client and both would mention any new betas which came out as well
> as when any new products go on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV
> which will be available to preorder next Monday and it will start shipping
> next Thursday.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
>
> Hello Mark,
> Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the
> new release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few
> less, really.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: M. Taylor  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am
> Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
>
>>
>>
>> Hello Rajmund,
>>
>> I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just
>> checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Rajmund
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
>>
>> Hello,
>> I know people can't speak about  it, and I don't expect them to, either.
>> But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Woody Anna Dresner  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > hi,
>> >
>> > I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple
>> > doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the
>> > degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs
>> > they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time
>> > period between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think
>> > the current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for
>> > them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs
>> > this year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed
>> > a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like
>> > answering the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing
>> > reasonably well overall.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Anna
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Everyone,
>> > > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X
>> > > last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and
>> > > a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from
>> > > everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work.
>> > > Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the
>> > > masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There
>> > > are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that
>> > > the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I
>> > > can't live with.
>> > > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
>> > > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
>> > > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a
>> > > thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know
>> > > what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many
>> > > bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows,
>> > > JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely
>> > > used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some
>> > > degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs
>> > > before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for
>> > > that next big thing.
>> > >
>> > > Wayne
>> > >
>> > > On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote

Re: Bug with voiceover rotor in 9.1?

[Paul Ferrara]

This was also in 9.0 unfortunately.

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Mary Otten

Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 11:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: mac4thebl...@freelists.org
Subject: Bug with voiceover rotor in 9.1?

I had not noticed this behavior until now with 9.1. The rotor setting does 
not stick. Here is a scenario. You are reading a Mail message that has links 
in it. You finish reading the message, set the rotor for links, and flick 
to find the link you want. Double tap the link, and that may take you either 
to webpage in Safari, or perhaps to the Facebook page that was linked. Once 
you arrive on that page, your rotor will be set to something other than 
links. I have found that if I am in mail and have it set to links, and move 
from one message to another within the mail app, the setting sticks. At 
least so far. I haven't tested it that much. But I have found it annoying 
enough that I think I would have noticed it in the past had it been present.

Mary


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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Rajmund]

Hello,
OK, I'm sure I can find it in my RSS reader, do I just type in the name? Or 
where shall I start looking for it?

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:44 pm
Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

>
>
> If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly 
> recommend the Today in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than one 
> hour Podcast and it's usually well worth the listen. If you want the news in 
> a much shorter format without all the How-To questions and callers, then 
> check out the "Apple Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or so minutes and highlights 
> the most important announcements. You can find both in your favourite Podcast 
> client and both would mention any new betas which came out as well as when 
> any new products go on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV which will be 
> available to preorder next Monday and it will start shipping next Thursday.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> 
> Hello Mark,
> Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the 
> new release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few 
> less, really. 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: M. Taylor  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am
> Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> 
> >
> >
> > Hello Rajmund,
> > 
> > I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just 
> > checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Rajmund
> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> > 
> > Hello,
> > I know people can't speak about  it, and I don't expect them to, either. 
> > But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Woody Anna Dresner  
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
> > Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > hi,
> > > 
> > > I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple 
> > > doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the 
> > > degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs 
> > > they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time period 
> > > between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think the 
> > > current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for them 
> > > to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs this 
> > > year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed a lot 
> > > of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like answering 
> > > the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing reasonably well 
> > > overall.
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > Anna
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Everyone,
> > > > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X 
> > > > last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and 
> > > > a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from 
> > > > everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work.
> > > > Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the 
> > > > masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There 
> > > > are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that 
> > > > the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I 
> > > > can't live with.
> > > > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I 
> > > > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the 
> > > > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a 
> > > > thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know 
> > > > what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many 
> > > > bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, 
> > > > JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely 
> > > > used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some 
> > > > degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs 
> > > > before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for that 
> > > > next big thing.
> > > > 
> > > > Wayne
> > > > 
> > > > On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> > > >> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if 
> > > >> Apple doesn'

Re: Ugh Just Discovered new mail bug in 9.1

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Richard,

Thanks so much for posting this fix as I have mail notifications turned off as 
I do not want a notification every time I get a mail message. Turning it on and 
turning on the badge count did the trick and it says mail notifications is 
still turned off, so hopefully this will work. Thanks again
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 11:00 PM, Jun Jun Limbo  wrote:
> 
> It happen to me occationally since 94.0. I just close and open the mail and 
> it return to normal.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2015, at 10:01, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> John, same here. It's working as it always has.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:54 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s working here fine. I hear the next message or thread read after I 
>>> flick up and double tap to delete a message.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:51 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 Ok so it is not a major bug just yet another annoying one. When in your 
 email if you flick up to delete a mail message. VO used to then start 
 reading you your next message, well in 9.1 when you flick up to delete a 
 message VO does not read you the next message you have to flick one way 
 then back to have it read. Geez Apple get some new freaking testers for VO.
 
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Bug with voiceover rotor in 9.1?

[Mary Otten]

I had not noticed this behavior until now with 9.1. The rotor setting does not 
stick. Here is a scenario. You are reading a Mail message that has links in it. 
You finish reading the message, set the rotor for links, and flick  to find the 
link you want. Double tap the link, and that may take you either to webpage in 
Safari, or perhaps to the Facebook page that was linked. Once you arrive on 
that page, your rotor will be set to something other than links. I have found 
that if I am in mail and have it set to links, and move from one message to 
another within the mail app, the setting sticks. At least so far. I haven't 
tested it that much. But I have found it annoying enough that I think I would 
have noticed it in the past had it been present.
Mary


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Re: Dictation bug fixed?

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I haven't noticed that, but I have noticed VO sometimes does a read all for no 
apparent reason, certainly  when I didn't ask it to. E.g. You're responding to 
an email. You stop, an IMessage comes in. That iMessage will send it off for a 
read all. Anyone noticed? And nope, I can't recall this in 9.02. 

- Original Message -
From: Tom Lange  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?

>
>
> Hi. I'm replying for two reasons. First, I want to see if VoiceOver crashes.. 
> Second, on a somewhat related note, I'd like to know  whether anyone has 
> noticed that when you reply to a message, the VO focus is placed in the to 
> field rather than the message body. When that happens, I have to move focus 
> to the Back button or some other location, then flick back down to the 
> message body. Oh yeah, I should point out that more often than not I'm using 
> my iPhone 6 with my BrailleNote Apex BT32.  Okay,  here goes... 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Sieghard. Sending a new message is fine. It's when you reply to an email 
> > that Voiceover crashes. Just thought I'd clear that up for you.
> > 
> > Shawn
> > Sent From My White MacBook
> > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> > 
> >> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi again,
> >> 
> >> I just tried this on my old 5S and my 6S, both are now on iOS 9.1. I sent 
> >> an email to myself, I dictated it and tried it both with screen curtain 
> >> off which is usually what I have but I also tried it with screen curtain 
> >> on. In all four scenarios as soon as I double tap on the Send button I 
> >> hear the swoosh noise and I am back in my Inbox immediately with Voiceover 
> >> talking and I really mean immediately, there isn't even a second or two 
> >> delay.
> >> 
> >> As I said, I would definitely close all apps, then go to Settings > 
> >> General > Reset and double tap Reset Network Settings. This will prompt 
> >> you to confirm and then after a couple of seconds your device will reboot. 
> >> Once you are back on the home screen you have to go to Settings > WiFi and 
> >> reconnect to your WiFi network (you will need your password). Then give it 
> >> a try and see if it makes a difference.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> Sieghard
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> >> Of Rajmund
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:41 AM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> >> 
> >> Hello,
> >> I confirm the focus, and that's truly wonderful. But, are you dictating, 
> >> or writing your emails?  Do you have screen curtain on or off? 
> >> 
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:11 pm
> >> Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> For whatever it's worth, I don't have this problem on my 5S nor on my 6S. 
> >>> If I send an email I hear the sound it makes that the email is sent and I 
> >>> can immediately continue to do other things or go into another email that 
> >>> I want to reply to.
> >>> 
> >>> Also, the focus bug has been fixed, if you are now in say message 15 of 
> >>> your Inbox and you go into the message and back out focus will remail on 
> >>> that message rather than jumping back up to the top.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Sieghard
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> >>> Behalf Of Rajmund
> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:40 AM
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> >>> 
> >>> Hello,
> >>> LOL, similar feelings. How many are in a thread, since I have it disabled 
> >>> in the first place But restarting VO, or wait minutes and minutes 
> >>> between sending messages, Hmm. Fortunately for some, they have note 
> >>> takers so I'm back to that, when there are a lot, even though VO could 
> >>> read much quicker than this thing, but sending is currently quicker on 
> >>> here.
> >>> 
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: Mary Otten  
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:23 am
> >>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> >>> 
>  
>  
>  Having crap inserted into your messages, having your machine freeze up 
>  every time this bug appears, and finding it distracting are none of them 
>  trivial. If it doesn't bother you, that is wonderful. As for me, I 
>  really don't give a damn about whether the number of messages in the 
>  thread is announced. I understand others do, and that's great. For those 
>  people, I'm glad this bug was fixed.

Re: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member

[Kimber Gardner]

Hi Joseph,

Apple will do that even though it isn't a new iPhone?

On 10/22/15, joseph hudson  wrote:
> Kimber, you can give her the old iPhone 4S, she needs to contact Apple and
> have them do whatever they do to transfer it to Sprint network. I love to
> share the process as my dad help me with the most of it. All I know is that
> Insurance department ended up doing it at a local Apple Store in Austin.
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Kimber Gardner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I want to give my iPhone 4s to my step-daughter whose phone got
>> destroyed. The thing is, I am with Verizon and she is with Sprint. I
>> thought I could call Verizon and get an unlock code which would permit
>> her to activate the phone with Sprint. However, someone told her (it
>> may have been someone from sprint) that they won't allow her to
>> activate an unlocked phone older than an iPhone 5.
>>
>> I have no experience with sprint or with passing along an old iPhone
>> and I'm wondering if this is true. Can anybody shed some light on this
>> issue?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kimber
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RE: Voiceover not announcing time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can always ask SIRI for the time.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimber Gardner
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover not announcing time

Yes, and I put focus on the clock app before I lock the phone. Then when I wake 
the phone the time is announced. It's not perfect, but it gets the job done.

Kimber

On 10/22/15, Marissa Solaun  wrote:
>  Is anyone having the issue were voiceover will not announce the time 
> when they press the power button to wake their phone? Any temporary 
> workaround for this
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RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly recommend 
the Today in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than one hour Podcast 
and it's usually well worth the listen. If you want the news in a much shorter 
format without all the How-To questions and callers, then check out the "Apple 
Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or so minutes and highlights the most important 
announcements. You can find both in your favourite Podcast client and both 
would mention any new betas which came out as well as when any new products go 
on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV which will be available to preorder 
next Monday and it will start shipping next Thursday.

Regards,
Sieghard



Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

Hello Mark,
Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the new 
release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few less, 
really. 

- Original Message -
From: M. Taylor  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am
Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

>
>
> Hello Rajmund,
> 
> I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just 
> checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> 
> Hello,
> I know people can't speak about  it, and I don't expect them to, either. But 
> is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Woody Anna Dresner  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> 
> >
> >
> > hi,
> > 
> > I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple 
> > doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the degree 
> > of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs they have 
> > fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time period between 
> > WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think the current 
> > timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for them to fix 
> > everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs this year 
> > affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed a lot of bugs 
> > since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like answering the phone 
> > and the focus issues. So I think they're doing reasonably well overall.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Anna
> > 
> > 
> > > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Everyone,
> > > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X 
> > > last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and 
> > > a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from 
> > > everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work.
> > > Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the 
> > > masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There 
> > > are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that 
> > > the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I 
> > > can't live with.
> > > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I 
> > > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the 
> > > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a 
> > > thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know 
> > > what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many 
> > > bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, 
> > > JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely 
> > > used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some 
> > > degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs 
> > > before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for that 
> > > next big thing.
> > > 
> > > Wayne
> > > 
> > > On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> > >> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if 
> > >> Apple doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, 
> > >> but that will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers.
> > >> Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you 
> > >> weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a 
> > >> minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never do 
> > >> anything.
> > >> 
> > >> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that 
> > >> doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up throug

Doing a Scrub Gesture was Male focus bug Not fixed

[Lisa Belville]

Walter, yes, that's the best way to explain it.  I tried doing a gesture
that looks like a print Z because that's how the two finger scrub was always
explained, but I could never do it.

I usually use two fingers as if I were going to stop/start playing audio and
touch the screen about 3 quarters of the way down the screen.  Then I use
those two fingers to touch the phone and slide down until I'm almost off the
screen and on to the home butten, then I slide them up quickly toward the
top of the screen.  Two fingers need to be on the screen at all times to
make this work. It's actually more complicated to write out than it it is to 
physically show someone.


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com
A bus station is where the bus stops. A train station is where the train
stops.  On my desk I have a work station...


- Original Message - 
From: "Walter Ramage" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:45 AM
Subject: RE: Male focus bug Not fixed


Hi.  Yes, pretend there is a little mark on the screen, now use your fingers
to pretend you are rubbing  the screen trying to remove the smudge.

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Of Rajmund
Sent: 23 October 2015 11:52
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed

Hello,
LOL, that's something that even though friends and everyone said how to, I'm
miserably failing. When you say a z shape, for those of us who could never
see, is there another way to describe?

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RE: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Let's not forget to all send emails to accessibil...@apple.com to let them know 
that this is not working consistently. This happened before, I think when iOS 7 
or 8 first came out.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

And I thought I was the only one. I really miss that time announcement too. But 
my work around is to leave focus on the clock app when I lock the phone. It 
isn't perfect but it mostly works.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Colin McDonald  wrote:
> 
> mine has been like that since 8.0
> 
> -Original Message- From: Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available
> 
> I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier 
> today that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will 
> announce the time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, 
> it was so convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  
> After pressing the power or home button, the time does appear on the 
> locked screen, just under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it 
> read.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Russ Kiehne" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> 
>> I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the following 
>> bug as reported:
>> VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
>> Power  button to wake my device.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>> 
>> I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the 
>> focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were 
>> not mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone 
>> privately that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone 
>> confirm? This bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and 
>> would be taken back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this 
>> included:
>> Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 10/21/15, chris  wrote:
>>> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers 
>>> aren't bombarded.
>>> 
 On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
 Hello,
 I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, 
 just because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to 
 have 50% battery before it downloads?
 
 Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any 
 spelling errors.
 
> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver  wrote:
> 
> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still 
> remain. I stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with 
> the initial upgrade.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> Attention everyone:
> 
> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Has anyone tried this?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

As ever, frustrated with my access to online crosswords. Indeed, I till 
only have success with my old iPhone 4 running 6x. So, I bought the below, just 
short of ten Euros, and it looks VO friendly, but I can't work out how to use 
it with my keyboard and it doesn't seem to have an onboard keyboard. I think, 
if you are not using an external one, you could input with a pen.

So, on the off-chance that someone out there loves crosswords and is 
prepared to risk the cash, do let me know if you work out how to use it, 
please

Best, Sandy. Crosswords Classic by Stand Alone, Inc.
https://appsto.re/ie/S2G7q.i


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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I don't know anything about IOS 8. But, I have to say, restarting voice over, 
it'll eventually ware out the home button. Fortunately, I don't have a phone 
yet, but I will, eventually,  and these things are not putting me off, but I 
agree, people need to be aware of it. 

- Original Message -
From: Christopher Chaltain  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

>
>
> I can assure you, I'm not missing the point. The fact that Apple has a 
> lot of products is irrelevant. Apple is also the wealthiest company in 
> the world, due to the fact that they have a lot of successful products. 
> I'm not going to cut them any slack because they have a lot of products 
> since they also have a lot of resources. If they have too many products, 
> and they can't maintain a certain level of quality across those products 
> then they need to make some changes in priorities and business 
> decisions. Note, I'm not saying Apple has a quality issue or that they 
> don't care about accessibility. I'm just saying that the argument that 
> they have a lot of products is bogus.
> 
> I can't help it if you think the issues I've reported are trivial, but 
> they certainly are not to me. Having to hard reset my phone every time I 
> get a call when my headset is attached certainly impacts my ability to 
> use my iPhone the way I've been using it for years. I can also tell you 
> that I process a lot fewer emails now that I have to recycle VoiceOver 
> every time I reply to an email message. I use an iPhone for both my 
> personal use and for my job, and these bugs are definitely impacting my 
> ability to be productive at work.
> 
> I'm sorry the fact that I'm a lot less reluctant to recommend an iPhone 
> to a blind user, at least not without telling them the bugs I'm running 
> into on IOS 9 bothers you, but I'd hate to have a blind person get an 
> iPhone and then run into the problems I'm seeing. If they don't use the 
> phone the way I do, or they don't see these bugs themselves, then that's 
> great, but at least they'll be making an informed decision. My real 
> point in saying that though, was that people's impression of IOS 8 
> versus IOS 9 has a lot to do with how they use their phone. I was not an 
> IOS 8 basher, but I'm definitely running into a lot more issue that 
> impact me and how I use my phone on IOS 9 then I did on IOS 8. For me, 
> the quality of IOS 9 has definitely deteriorated, so it isn't true for 
> everyone that IOS 8 was this unmitigated disaster and IOS 9 has solved 
> all of those issues.
> 
> On 10/23/2015 06:48 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think everyone's missing the point here. Apple's accessibility team is 
> > not just focusing on VoiceOver, they're focusing on an entire set of 
> > features, covering different disabilities. Furthermore, they've now got 4 
> > operating systems to focus on, rather than 2.
> > None of the bugs mentioned in this thread absolutely prevent anyone from 
> > using iOS, so let Apple fix them when they get to them on what is probably 
> > a gigantic list of things to fix, and not just for VoiceOver users.
> > Saying you can't recommend the iPhone any more because of a few minor 
> > annoyances seems a bit far fetched in my opinion.
> >
> >> On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:37 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >> Yes, there are some worrying bugs, let's be fair.
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Christopher Chaltain  
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:30 pm
> >> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> For me, I didn't find any bugs in IOS 8 I couldn't live with. I never
> >>> regretted upgrading to IOS 8. IOS 9 is a different story. I lose
> >>> VoiceOver when I answer a call with my headset on, and VoiceOver freezes
> >>> when I reply to an email message. I'm still getting by with the work
> >>> arounds I've uncovered so far, but I'm much less satisfied with IOS 9
> >>> than I was with IOS 8, and I can't recommend the iPhone anymore to
> >>> another blind person, at least not without letting them know about these
> >>> issues.
> >>>
> >>> On 10/22/2015 12:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>  Hi,
>  I guess you just said what i was trying to say earlier on only mor well 
>  spokenly than me.
>  Thanks for that.
>  /Krister
> 
> > 22 okt. 2015 kl. 18:59 skrev Wayne Merritt :
> >
> > Everyone,
> > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last
> > year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number
> > were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone
> > across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with
> > iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the
> > buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are
> > bugs for some

Re: Dictation bug fixed?

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

yes, I have noticed that one. It's probably because things work the same when 
you're writing a new message.



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 23 Oct 2015, at 14:17, Tom Lange  wrote:

Hi. I'm replying for two reasons. First, I want to see if VoiceOver crashes. 
Second, on a somewhat related note, I'd like to know  whether anyone has 
noticed that when you reply to a message, the VO focus is placed in the to 
field rather than the message body. When that happens, I have to move focus to 
the Back button or some other location, then flick back down to the message 
body. Oh yeah, I should point out that more often than not I'm using my iPhone 
6 with my BrailleNote Apex BT32.  Okay,  here goes... 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sieghard. Sending a new message is fine. It's when you reply to an email 
> that Voiceover crashes. Just thought I'd clear that up for you.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi again,
>> 
>> I just tried this on my old 5S and my 6S, both are now on iOS 9.1. I sent an 
>> email to myself, I dictated it and tried it both with screen curtain off 
>> which is usually what I have but I also tried it with screen curtain on. In 
>> all four scenarios as soon as I double tap on the Send button I hear the 
>> swoosh noise and I am back in my Inbox immediately with Voiceover talking 
>> and I really mean immediately, there isn't even a second or two delay.
>> 
>> As I said, I would definitely close all apps, then go to Settings > General 
>> > Reset and double tap Reset Network Settings. This will prompt you to 
>> confirm and then after a couple of seconds your device will reboot. Once you 
>> are back on the home screen you have to go to Settings > WiFi and reconnect 
>> to your WiFi network (you will need your password). Then give it a try and 
>> see if it makes a difference.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Rajmund
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:41 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I confirm the focus, and that's truly wonderful. But, are you dictating, or 
>> writing your emails?  Do you have screen curtain on or off? 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:11 pm
>> Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For whatever it's worth, I don't have this problem on my 5S nor on my 6S. 
>>> If I send an email I hear the sound it makes that the email is sent and I 
>>> can immediately continue to do other things or go into another email that I 
>>> want to reply to.
>>> 
>>> Also, the focus bug has been fixed, if you are now in say message 15 of 
>>> your Inbox and you go into the message and back out focus will remail on 
>>> that message rather than jumping back up to the top.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Rajmund
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:40 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> LOL, similar feelings. How many are in a thread, since I have it disabled 
>>> in the first place But restarting VO, or wait minutes and minutes 
>>> between sending messages, Hmm. Fortunately for some, they have note takers 
>>> so I'm back to that, when there are a lot, even though VO could read much 
>>> quicker than this thing, but sending is currently quicker on here.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Mary Otten  
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:23 am
>>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>>> 
 
 
 Having crap inserted into your messages, having your machine freeze up 
 every time this bug appears, and finding it distracting are none of them 
 trivial. If it doesn't bother you, that is wonderful. As for me, I really 
 don't give a damn about whether the number of messages in the thread is 
 announced. I understand others do, and that's great. For those people, I'm 
 glad this bug was fixed. But please don't call other bugs trivial, just 
 because they don't mean much to you. 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:26 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> I second that Daniel. If Apple fixed every trivial bug that someone had 
> because it's distracting to them, do you think that the more serious bugs 
> like Bluetooth not working or the number of messages in a thread not 
> being spoken in Mail would ever be fixed? Probably not un

Re: Anyone know anything about the Zagg pocket keyboard?

[Emilio]

Hello,

Just yesterday on the MacVoices podcast I heard a guest talk about this 
keyboard.
He mentioned that it pairs easily with iDevices, and when unfolded it will 
automatically turn on, and when folded closed it will stop pairing. He also 
mentioned that good quality keyboards are roughly between $70-80, but this 
is just one man's opinion.
I generally use Youtube as a great way to learn about a product, so type 
the keyboard brand into the YouTube search bar, and see what reviews you 
get.

Hope this has been helpful

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Re: Dictation bug fixed?

[Tom Lange]

Oh, now that's weird. VO crashed when I did my last post, but when I started 
this post, VO focus was placed in the message body as it should be.  It's so 
nice to see vO behaving consistently.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi. I'm replying for two reasons. First, I want to see if VoiceOver crashes. 
> Second, on a somewhat related note, I'd like to know  whether anyone has 
> noticed that when you reply to a message, the VO focus is placed in the to 
> field rather than the message body. When that happens, I have to move focus 
> to the Back button or some other location, then flick back down to the 
> message body. Oh yeah, I should point out that more often than not I'm using 
> my iPhone 6 with my BrailleNote Apex BT32.  Okay,  here goes... 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sieghard. Sending a new message is fine. It's when you reply to an email 
>> that Voiceover crashes. Just thought I'd clear that up for you.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi again,
>>> 
>>> I just tried this on my old 5S and my 6S, both are now on iOS 9.1. I sent 
>>> an email to myself, I dictated it and tried it both with screen curtain off 
>>> which is usually what I have but I also tried it with screen curtain on. In 
>>> all four scenarios as soon as I double tap on the Send button I hear the 
>>> swoosh noise and I am back in my Inbox immediately with Voiceover talking 
>>> and I really mean immediately, there isn't even a second or two delay.
>>> 
>>> As I said, I would definitely close all apps, then go to Settings > General 
>>> > Reset and double tap Reset Network Settings. This will prompt you to 
>>> confirm and then after a couple of seconds your device will reboot. Once 
>>> you are back on the home screen you have to go to Settings > WiFi and 
>>> reconnect to your WiFi network (you will need your password). Then give it 
>>> a try and see if it makes a difference.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Rajmund
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:41 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I confirm the focus, and that's truly wonderful. But, are you dictating, or 
>>> writing your emails?  Do you have screen curtain on or off? 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:11 pm
>>> Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?
>>> 
 
 
 For whatever it's worth, I don't have this problem on my 5S nor on my 6S. 
 If I send an email I hear the sound it makes that the email is sent and I 
 can immediately continue to do other things or go into another email that 
 I want to reply to.
 
 Also, the focus bug has been fixed, if you are now in say message 15 of 
 your Inbox and you go into the message and back out focus will remail on 
 that message rather than jumping back up to the top.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Rajmund
 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:40 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
 
 Hello,
 LOL, similar feelings. How many are in a thread, since I have it disabled 
 in the first place But restarting VO, or wait minutes and minutes 
 between sending messages, Hmm. Fortunately for some, they have note takers 
 so I'm back to that, when there are a lot, even though VO could read much 
 quicker than this thing, but sending is currently quicker on here.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mary Otten  
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:23 am
 Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
 
> 
> 
> Having crap inserted into your messages, having your machine freeze up 
> every time this bug appears, and finding it distracting are none of them 
> trivial. If it doesn't bother you, that is wonderful. As for me, I really 
> don't give a damn about whether the number of messages in the thread is 
> announced. I understand others do, and that's great. For those people, 
> I'm glad this bug was fixed. But please don't call other bugs trivial, 
> just because they don't mean much to you. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:26 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> I second that Daniel. If Apple fixed every trivial bug that someone had 
>> because it's distracti

Re: Dictation bug fixed?

[Tom Lange]

Hi. I'm replying for two reasons. First, I want to see if VoiceOver crashes. 
Second, on a somewhat related note, I'd like to know  whether anyone has 
noticed that when you reply to a message, the VO focus is placed in the to 
field rather than the message body. When that happens, I have to move focus to 
the Back button or some other location, then flick back down to the message 
body. Oh yeah, I should point out that more often than not I'm using my iPhone 
6 with my BrailleNote Apex BT32.  Okay,  here goes... 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sieghard. Sending a new message is fine. It's when you reply to an email 
> that Voiceover crashes. Just thought I'd clear that up for you.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi again,
>> 
>> I just tried this on my old 5S and my 6S, both are now on iOS 9.1. I sent an 
>> email to myself, I dictated it and tried it both with screen curtain off 
>> which is usually what I have but I also tried it with screen curtain on. In 
>> all four scenarios as soon as I double tap on the Send button I hear the 
>> swoosh noise and I am back in my Inbox immediately with Voiceover talking 
>> and I really mean immediately, there isn't even a second or two delay.
>> 
>> As I said, I would definitely close all apps, then go to Settings > General 
>> > Reset and double tap Reset Network Settings. This will prompt you to 
>> confirm and then after a couple of seconds your device will reboot. Once you 
>> are back on the home screen you have to go to Settings > WiFi and reconnect 
>> to your WiFi network (you will need your password). Then give it a try and 
>> see if it makes a difference.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Rajmund
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:41 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I confirm the focus, and that's truly wonderful. But, are you dictating, or 
>> writing your emails?  Do you have screen curtain on or off? 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:11 pm
>> Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For whatever it's worth, I don't have this problem on my 5S nor on my 6S. 
>>> If I send an email I hear the sound it makes that the email is sent and I 
>>> can immediately continue to do other things or go into another email that I 
>>> want to reply to.
>>> 
>>> Also, the focus bug has been fixed, if you are now in say message 15 of 
>>> your Inbox and you go into the message and back out focus will remail on 
>>> that message rather than jumping back up to the top.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Rajmund
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:40 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> LOL, similar feelings. How many are in a thread, since I have it disabled 
>>> in the first place But restarting VO, or wait minutes and minutes 
>>> between sending messages, Hmm. Fortunately for some, they have note takers 
>>> so I'm back to that, when there are a lot, even though VO could read much 
>>> quicker than this thing, but sending is currently quicker on here.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Mary Otten  
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:23 am
>>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>>> 
 
 
 Having crap inserted into your messages, having your machine freeze up 
 every time this bug appears, and finding it distracting are none of them 
 trivial. If it doesn't bother you, that is wonderful. As for me, I really 
 don't give a damn about whether the number of messages in the thread is 
 announced. I understand others do, and that's great. For those people, I'm 
 glad this bug was fixed. But please don't call other bugs trivial, just 
 because they don't mean much to you. 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:26 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> I second that Daniel. If Apple fixed every trivial bug that someone had 
> because it's distracting to them, do you think that the more serious bugs 
> like Bluetooth not working or the number of messages in a thread not 
> being spoken in Mail would ever be fixed? Probably not until a later 
> version. I don't find it distracting at all and even if dictation screwed 
> something up, I can always shake my phone to perform the undo action. So 
> to the person that as

RE: Male focus bug Not fixed

[Walter Ramage]

Hi.  Yes, pretend there is a little mark on the screen, now use your fingers to 
pretend you are rubbing  the screen trying to remove the smudge. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: 23 October 2015 11:52
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed

Hello,
LOL, that's something that even though friends and everyone said how to, I'm 
miserably failing. When you say a z shape, for those of us who could never see, 
is there another way to describe? 

- Original Message -
From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 10:41 am
Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed

>
>
> hi,
> A scrub gesture, the best way I can describe it, is assorters Z shape done 
> with two fingers rather quickly.
> 
> hope this helps, Sandy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 23 Oct 2015, at 10:28, 'Simon w' via VIPhone  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > What is the scrub gesture?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:18 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Mary,
> >> Using an iPhone 6 and the latest 9.1 I just tried this out: this is not 
> >> exactly empirical research, but rather than trying the back button to go 
> >> to the list of email messages, which, in my case, took me back to the top, 
> >> try a scrub gesture. this took me to the message I was reading.
> >> Good luck, Sandy
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On 23 Oct 2015, at 04:03, Mary Otten  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I have a brand-new iPhone 6s which I received today. It has iOS 9.1. I 
> >>> have a whole lot of saved mail in my inbox and I found a message down the 
> >>> list to Waze and read that message. As I understand it, people are saying 
> >>> that when you exit such a message, you should not  be put back up to the 
> >>> top of your message list. That is exactly what happened to me. When I 
> >>> exited that message, I was placed back at the top of my inbox. In this 
> >>> case, that was not a big deal, as I had no need to be down there where I 
> >>> had been in the middle of my inbox message list. However, for those who 
> >>> find this problematic, and I can see how it could be in some scenarios, I 
> >>> have to say that it did not work for me as others have described.
> >>> Mary
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Christopher Chaltain]

I can assure you, I'm not missing the point. The fact that Apple has a 
lot of products is irrelevant. Apple is also the wealthiest company in 
the world, due to the fact that they have a lot of successful products. 
I'm not going to cut them any slack because they have a lot of products 
since they also have a lot of resources. If they have too many products, 
and they can't maintain a certain level of quality across those products 
then they need to make some changes in priorities and business 
decisions. Note, I'm not saying Apple has a quality issue or that they 
don't care about accessibility. I'm just saying that the argument that 
they have a lot of products is bogus.


I can't help it if you think the issues I've reported are trivial, but 
they certainly are not to me. Having to hard reset my phone every time I 
get a call when my headset is attached certainly impacts my ability to 
use my iPhone the way I've been using it for years. I can also tell you 
that I process a lot fewer emails now that I have to recycle VoiceOver 
every time I reply to an email message. I use an iPhone for both my 
personal use and for my job, and these bugs are definitely impacting my 
ability to be productive at work.


I'm sorry the fact that I'm a lot less reluctant to recommend an iPhone 
to a blind user, at least not without telling them the bugs I'm running 
into on IOS 9 bothers you, but I'd hate to have a blind person get an 
iPhone and then run into the problems I'm seeing. If they don't use the 
phone the way I do, or they don't see these bugs themselves, then that's 
great, but at least they'll be making an informed decision. My real 
point in saying that though, was that people's impression of IOS 8 
versus IOS 9 has a lot to do with how they use their phone. I was not an 
IOS 8 basher, but I'm definitely running into a lot more issue that 
impact me and how I use my phone on IOS 9 then I did on IOS 8. For me, 
the quality of IOS 9 has definitely deteriorated, so it isn't true for 
everyone that IOS 8 was this unmitigated disaster and IOS 9 has solved 
all of those issues.


On 10/23/2015 06:48 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi,

I think everyone’s missing the point here. Apple’s accessibility team is not 
just focusing on VoiceOver, they’re focusing on an entire set of features, 
covering different disabilities. Furthermore, they’ve now got 4 operating 
systems to focus on, rather than 2.
None of the bugs mentioned in this thread absolutely prevent anyone from using 
iOS, so let Apple fix them when they get to them on what is probably a gigantic 
list of things to fix, and not just for VoiceOver users.
Saying you can’t recommend the iPhone any more because of a few minor 
annoyances seems a bit far fetched in my opinion.


On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:37 AM, Rajmund  wrote:

Hello,
Yes, there are some worrying bugs, let's be fair.

- Original Message -
From: Christopher Chaltain  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing




For me, I didn't find any bugs in IOS 8 I couldn't live with. I never
regretted upgrading to IOS 8. IOS 9 is a different story. I lose
VoiceOver when I answer a call with my headset on, and VoiceOver freezes
when I reply to an email message. I'm still getting by with the work
arounds I've uncovered so far, but I'm much less satisfied with IOS 9
than I was with IOS 8, and I can't recommend the iPhone anymore to
another blind person, at least not without letting them know about these
issues.

On 10/22/2015 12:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi,
I guess you just said what i was trying to say earlier on only mor well 
spokenly than me.
Thanks for that.
/Krister


22 okt. 2015 kl. 18:59 skrev Wayne Merritt :

Everyone,
Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last
year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number
were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone
across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with
iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the
buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are
bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have
been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with.
Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought,
look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it
is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one
else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen
reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream
software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for
the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the
software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing.

Wayne

On 

Re: Male focus bug Not fixed

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I tried again, no go. Thanks for the help, though.

- Original Message -
From: 'Simon w' via VIPhone  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed

>
>
> I went to the voiceover practice, and I think I got it but I'm not sure.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 23, 2015, at 7:08 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Carol, 
> > Yep, you go settings, general,  accessibility, voice  over practise. 
> > Thanks, I might try it in a  bit.
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone  
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 11:58 am
> > Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I can't really describe it any better than has been given, but I could 
> >> suggest that you try doing a little scrubbing action in the accessibility 
> >> settings where you can try them out! I think you will know where they are! 
> >> Smiley you will know if you've got it right! It only needs to be a fairly 
> >> small scrub!
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Carol P
> >> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> >> 
> >> On 23 Oct 2015, at 11:51, Rajmund  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello,
> >> LOL, that's something that even though friends and everyone said how to, 
> >> I'm miserably failing. When you say a z shape, for those of us who could 
> >> never see, is there another way to describe? 
> >> 
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone  
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 10:41 am
> >> Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> hi,
> >>> A scrub gesture, the best way I can describe it, is assorters Z shape 
> >>> done with two fingers rather quickly.
> >>> 
> >>> hope this helps, Sandy
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> 
>  On 23 Oct 2015, at 10:28, 'Simon w' via VIPhone 
>   wrote:
>  
>  What is the scrub gesture?
>  
>  Sent from my iPhone
>  
> > On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:18 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Mary,
> > Using an iPhone 6 and the latest 9.1 I just tried this out: this is not 
> > exactly empirical research, but rather than trying the back button to 
> > go to the list of email messages, which, in my case, took me back to 
> > the top, try a scrub gesture. this took me to the message I was reading.
> > Good luck, Sandy
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On 23 Oct 2015, at 04:03, Mary Otten  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I have a brand-new iPhone 6s which I received today. It has iOS 9.1. I 
> >> have a whole lot of saved mail in my inbox and I found a message down 
> >> the list to Waze and read that message. As I understand it, people are 
> >> saying that when you exit such a message, you should not  be put back 
> >> up to the top of your message list. That is exactly what happened to 
> >> me. When I exited that message, I was placed back at the top of my 
> >> inbox. In this case, that was not a big deal, as I had no need to be 
> >> down there where I had been in the middle of my inbox message list. 
> >> However, for those who find this problematic, and I can see how it 
> >> could be in some scenarios, I have to say that it did not work for me 
> >> as others have described.
> >> Mary
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Male focus bug Not fixed

['Simon w' via VIPhone]

I went to the voiceover practice, and I think I got it but I'm not sure.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 7:08 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello Carol, 
> Yep, you go settings, general,  accessibility, voice  over practise. Thanks, 
> I might try it in a  bit.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 11:58 am
> Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I can't really describe it any better than has been given, but I could 
>> suggest that you try doing a little scrubbing action in the accessibility 
>> settings where you can try them out! I think you will know where they are! 
>> Smiley you will know if you've got it right! It only needs to be a fairly 
>> small scrub!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Carol P
>> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
>> 
>> On 23 Oct 2015, at 11:51, Rajmund  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> LOL, that's something that even though friends and everyone said how to, I'm 
>> miserably failing. When you say a z shape, for those of us who could never 
>> see, is there another way to describe? 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 10:41 am
>> Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> hi,
>>> A scrub gesture, the best way I can describe it, is assorters Z shape done 
>>> with two fingers rather quickly.
>>> 
>>> hope this helps, Sandy
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 23 Oct 2015, at 10:28, 'Simon w' via VIPhone  
 wrote:
 
 What is the scrub gesture?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:18 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> Using an iPhone 6 and the latest 9.1 I just tried this out: this is not 
> exactly empirical research, but rather than trying the back button to go 
> to the list of email messages, which, in my case, took me back to the 
> top, try a scrub gesture. this took me to the message I was reading.
> Good luck, Sandy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 23 Oct 2015, at 04:03, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a brand-new iPhone 6s which I received today. It has iOS 9.1. I 
>> have a whole lot of saved mail in my inbox and I found a message down 
>> the list to Waze and read that message. As I understand it, people are 
>> saying that when you exit such a message, you should not  be put back up 
>> to the top of your message list. That is exactly what happened to me. 
>> When I exited that message, I was placed back at the top of my inbox. In 
>> this case, that was not a big deal, as I had no need to be down there 
>> where I had been in the middle of my inbox message list. However, for 
>> those who find this problematic, and I can see how it could be in some 
>> scenarios, I have to say that it did not work for me as others have 
>> described.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

I think everyone’s missing the point here. Apple’s accessibility team is not 
just focusing on VoiceOver, they’re focusing on an entire set of features, 
covering different disabilities. Furthermore, they’ve now got 4 operating 
systems to focus on, rather than 2.
None of the bugs mentioned in this thread absolutely prevent anyone from using 
iOS, so let Apple fix them when they get to them on what is probably a gigantic 
list of things to fix, and not just for VoiceOver users.
Saying you can’t recommend the iPhone any more because of a few minor 
annoyances seems a bit far fetched in my opinion.

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:37 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Yes, there are some worrying bugs, let's be fair. 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Christopher Chaltain  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:30 pm
> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> 
>> 
>> 
>> For me, I didn't find any bugs in IOS 8 I couldn't live with. I never 
>> regretted upgrading to IOS 8. IOS 9 is a different story. I lose 
>> VoiceOver when I answer a call with my headset on, and VoiceOver freezes 
>> when I reply to an email message. I'm still getting by with the work 
>> arounds I've uncovered so far, but I'm much less satisfied with IOS 9 
>> than I was with IOS 8, and I can't recommend the iPhone anymore to 
>> another blind person, at least not without letting them know about these 
>> issues.
>> 
>> On 10/22/2015 12:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I guess you just said what i was trying to say earlier on only mor well 
>>> spokenly than me.
>>> Thanks for that.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 22 okt. 2015 kl. 18:59 skrev Wayne Merritt :
 
 Everyone,
 Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last
 year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number
 were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone
 across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with
 iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the
 buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are
 bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have
 been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with.
 Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
 press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
 screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought,
 look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it
 is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one
 else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen
 reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream
 software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for
 the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the
 software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing.
 
 Wayne
 
 On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple
> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that will
> be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. Your target
> isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you weren't going to do
> something because of a negative reaction by a minority of members on
> this list or in any community then you'd never do anything.
> 
> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't
> mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS 9,
> answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails is so
> bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've come to
> depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list
> about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use
> our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user
> because they're more impacted by a bug than we are.
> 
> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to go
> before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific has
> gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't see the fan boyism
> for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness community.
> 
> 
> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what we as
>> beta testers might say? For every release there has been and probably 
>> will
>> be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even if what has been
>> complained about would be fixed to perfection they complain about the
>> fixes. Either it's too bloody late or there's too little or too much of
>> everything. I'm the type of guy who upgrades every app and eve

Re: Male focus bug Not fixed

[Robert Hill]

When I do the gesture, I ut just a small gap between my two fingers, then do 
the back and forth motion. It doesn't have to be a very big back and forth 
motion.

Bob



Sent from Bob's iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> So, as Carol suggested, I went into voice over practise, but tried your 
> suggestion. Unfortunately, me being me, all I heard was select item under 
> your finger. What am I missing, please?
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Robert Hill  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 11:57 am
> Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed
> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you hold 2 fingers together, and start at the right side of the screen, 
>> move your fingers, left, right, then left again.
>> 
>> Bob 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Bob's iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> LOL, that's something that even though friends and everyone said how to, 
>>> I'm miserably failing. When you say a z shape, for those of us who could 
>>> never see, is there another way to describe? 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone  
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 10:41 am
>>> Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed
>>> 
 
 
 hi,
 A scrub gesture, the best way I can describe it, is assorters Z shape done 
 with two fingers rather quickly.
 
 hope this helps, Sandy
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 23 Oct 2015, at 10:28, 'Simon w' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> What is the scrub gesture?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:18 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> Using an iPhone 6 and the latest 9.1 I just tried this out: this is not 
>> exactly empirical research, but rather than trying the back button to go 
>> to the list of email messages, which, in my case, took me back to the 
>> top, try a scrub gesture. this took me to the message I was reading.
>> Good luck, Sandy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 23 Oct 2015, at 04:03, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a brand-new iPhone 6s which I received today. It has iOS 9.1. I 
>>> have a whole lot of saved mail in my inbox and I found a message down 
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>>> down there where I had been in the middle of my inbox message list. 
>>> However, for those who find this problematic, and I can see how it 
>>> could be in some scenarios, I have to say that it did not work for me 
>>> as others have described.
>>> Mary
>>> 
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Re: Male focus bug Not fixed

[Rajmund]

Hello,
So, as Carol suggested, I went into voice over practise, but tried your 
suggestion. Unfortunately, me being me, all I heard was select item under your 
finger. What am I missing, please?

- Original Message -
From: Robert Hill  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 11:57 am
Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed

>
>
> If you hold 2 fingers together, and start at the right side of the screen, 
> move your fingers, left, right, then left again.
> 
> Bob 
> 
> 
> Sent from Bob's iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > LOL, that's something that even though friends and everyone said how to, 
> > I'm miserably failing. When you say a z shape, for those of us who could 
> > never see, is there another way to describe? 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone  
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 10:41 am
> > Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> hi,
> >> A scrub gesture, the best way I can describe it, is assorters Z shape done 
> >> with two fingers rather quickly.
> >> 
> >> hope this helps, Sandy
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On 23 Oct 2015, at 10:28, 'Simon w' via VIPhone 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> What is the scrub gesture?
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> 
>  On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:18 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>   wrote:
>  
>  Mary,
>  Using an iPhone 6 and the latest 9.1 I just tried this out: this is not 
>  exactly empirical research, but rather than trying the back button to go 
>  to the list of email messages, which, in my case, took me back to the 
>  top, try a scrub gesture. this took me to the message I was reading.
>  Good luck, Sandy
>  
>  Sent from my iPhone
>  
> > On 23 Oct 2015, at 04:03, Mary Otten  wrote:
> > 
> > I have a brand-new iPhone 6s which I received today. It has iOS 9.1. I 
> > have a whole lot of saved mail in my inbox and I found a message down 
> > the list to Waze and read that message. As I understand it, people are 
> > saying that when you exit such a message, you should not  be put back 
> > up to the top of your message list. That is exactly what happened to 
> > me. When I exited that message, I was placed back at the top of my 
> > inbox. In this case, that was not a big deal, as I had no need to be 
> > down there where I had been in the middle of my inbox message list. 
> > However, for those who find this problematic, and I can see how it 
> > could be in some scenarios, I have to say that it did not work for me 
> > as others have described.
> > Mary
> > 
> > 
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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'll give this a try this weekend, but I did restore my phone when I 
upgraded to IOS 9. I'm also running IOS 9.1, and I participated in the 
IOS 9.1 beta since I didn't figure I had anything to lose. I'm not 
optimistic this will solve the problem, but I'll give it a try.


On 10/23/2015 02:43 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello Christopher,

If you have confirmed that you have, indeed, updated your device to iOS 9.1, 
and you are still continuing to experience the VoiceOver incoming call bug, 
which occurs when the included Apple wired headset is attached, then you will 
most likely need to perform a fresh install of the OS.  To do this, you will 
need access to a computer running the latest version of iTunes.

Assuming you have such a computer, then perform the general broad steps as 
follows:

1.
Sync your device to iTunes on your computer.  During this process, a backup of 
your device will be made.  I also suggest that you make certain that your 
backup is encrypted.

2.
Restore your phone, via iTunes.  At the appropriate prompt, select to setup 
your phone as a new device.  Please make certain that the phone has an active 
SIM card installed.

3.
Once the phone has been setup as a new device, receive an incoming call, with 
the attached headset to make certain that the problem has been resolved.

4.
Finally, restore the backup, which was made in step 1, back to your phone.

Remember, restoring from a backup, even an encrypted one, does not install the 
OS but merely the settings and the apps/app data.

Good Luck,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I still have the phone issue where I can't answer a call with my headset 
attached or I lose VoiceOver.

On 10/22/2015 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Mario,

Applevis stated that they have not yet completed testing and people should let 
them know if other bugs have been fixed. One bug which I think was a big deal 
for those who were effected was the phone issue where when a headset was 
connected your iPhone could become totally unresponsive with Voiceover gone 
silent after hanging up a phone call. As far as I can tell and from what I 
heard from others that has been fixed. Also, the focus bug has been fixed or at 
least it is fixed in apps like mail where focus now correctly remains on 
whichever email you were on when you open a message and go back out to the 
inbox.

I can't speak for any Bluetooth issues since I very rarely use a Bluetooth 
keyboard, but for the most part I think iOS 9.1 is now every bit as good or 
better than the latest release of iOS 8 was and there is definitely a huge 
improvement in how much time it took to fix some of the bugs. After all, we are 
now just a bit more than a month past the date when iOS 9 was released 
publically, with iOS 8 it took a lot longer for some of the major issues to be 
fixed.

I have no problem criticizing Apple if they drop the ball on something, but I 
think so far iOS 9.1 seems to run very stabil, it's responsive and there are no 
battery drain issues. Apple needs to be reminded about bugs which persist, but 
I don't think it's justified to totally bash them for putting out a real crappy 
version of iOS since especially 9.1 is far from crappy.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mário Navarro
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available




a shame.

I do not want to believe it.
I thought that Apple had changed their irresponsible attitudes toward the blind.

apple how you're going to justify this lack of irresponsibility that you have 
had in recent times with the blind?
only 5 bugs have been fixed.
and the other 20 in the most serious categories?
a shame

These were the bugs fixed.


Accessibility Bugs Fixed in iOS 9.1
list of 5 items
• In the Mail app, VoiceOver now states the actual number of messages in a 
grouped conversation rather than saying “multiple messages”.
• Audio now returns to the correct level after being interrupted by VoiceOver 
when audio ducking is enabled • Fixed the problem where VoiceOver behaviour 
appeared to indicate that it was not possible to enter text into some webpage 
text fields (such as the Search fields on the AppleVis and BookShare websites).
• VoiceOver sound effects no longer randomly disappear.
• Switching VoiceOver voices in Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver > 
Speech > Default Dialect now behaves as expected (the only situation where voices may not 
switch automatically are when you have limited storage space available on your device or poor 
internet connectivity).
list end


Às 18:49 de 21/10/2015, Michael Malver escreveu:

Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
s

Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Yes, there are some worrying bugs, let's be fair. 

- Original Message -
From: Christopher Chaltain  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

>
>
> For me, I didn't find any bugs in IOS 8 I couldn't live with. I never 
> regretted upgrading to IOS 8. IOS 9 is a different story. I lose 
> VoiceOver when I answer a call with my headset on, and VoiceOver freezes 
> when I reply to an email message. I'm still getting by with the work 
> arounds I've uncovered so far, but I'm much less satisfied with IOS 9 
> than I was with IOS 8, and I can't recommend the iPhone anymore to 
> another blind person, at least not without letting them know about these 
> issues.
> 
> On 10/22/2015 12:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I guess you just said what i was trying to say earlier on only mor well 
> > spokenly than me.
> > Thanks for that.
> > /Krister
> >
> >> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 18:59 skrev Wayne Merritt :
> >>
> >> Everyone,
> >> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last
> >> year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number
> >> were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone
> >> across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with
> >> iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the
> >> buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are
> >> bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have
> >> been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with.
> >> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
> >> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
> >> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought,
> >> look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it
> >> is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one
> >> else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen
> >> reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream
> >> software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for
> >> the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the
> >> software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing.
> >>
> >> Wayne
> >>
> >> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> >>> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple
> >>> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that will
> >>> be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. Your target
> >>> isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you weren't going to do
> >>> something because of a negative reaction by a minority of members on
> >>> this list or in any community then you'd never do anything.
> >>>
> >>> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't
> >>> mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS 9,
> >>> answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails is so
> >>> bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've come to
> >>> depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list
> >>> about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use
> >>> our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user
> >>> because they're more impacted by a bug than we are.
> >>>
> >>> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to go
> >>> before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific has
> >>> gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't see the fan boyism
> >>> for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness community.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>  Hi,
>  Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what we as
>  beta testers might say? For every release there has been and probably 
>  will
>  be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even if what has been
>  complained about would be fixed to perfection they complain about the
>  fixes. Either it's too bloody late or there's too little or too much of
>  everything. I'm the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to 
>  see
>  what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody's
>  perfect. As i said before i think it's strange that Apple gets so many
>  complaints about things that aren't even their fault like apps that are
>  not upgraded and so don't work or such. In my time on Windows there 
>  wasn't
>  anything like this complaining. Nobody ever said that "freedom scientific
>  or GW Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don't give a fig about us". 
>  So
>  are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code is 
>  ever
>  bug free. Should we report them?
> >>> Yes politely and with enough info to make the folk

Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Christopher Chaltain]

For me, I didn't find any bugs in IOS 8 I couldn't live with. I never 
regretted upgrading to IOS 8. IOS 9 is a different story. I lose 
VoiceOver when I answer a call with my headset on, and VoiceOver freezes 
when I reply to an email message. I'm still getting by with the work 
arounds I've uncovered so far, but I'm much less satisfied with IOS 9 
than I was with IOS 8, and I can't recommend the iPhone anymore to 
another blind person, at least not without letting them know about these 
issues.


On 10/22/2015 12:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi,
I guess you just said what i was trying to say earlier on only mor well 
spokenly than me.
Thanks for that.
/Krister


22 okt. 2015 kl. 18:59 skrev Wayne Merritt :

Everyone,
Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last
year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number
were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone
across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with
iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the
buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are
bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have
been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with.
Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought,
look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it
is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one
else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen
reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream
software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for
the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the
software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing.

Wayne

On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple
doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that will
be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. Your target
isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you weren't going to do
something because of a negative reaction by a minority of members on
this list or in any community then you'd never do anything.

You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't
mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS 9,
answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails is so
bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've come to
depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list
about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use
our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user
because they're more impacted by a bug than we are.

I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to go
before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific has
gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't see the fan boyism
for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness community.


On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi,
Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what we as
beta testers might say? For every release there has been and probably will
be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even if what has been
complained about would be fixed to perfection they complain about the
fixes. Either it’s too bloody late or there’s too little or too much of
everything. I’m the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to see
what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody’s
perfect. As i said before i think it’s strange that Apple gets so many
complaints about things that aren’t even their fault like apps that are
not upgraded and so don’t work or such. In my time on Windows there wasn’t
anything like this complaining. Nobody ever said that ”freedom scientific
or GW Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don’t give a fig about us”. So
are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code is ever
bug free. Should we report them?

Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the problem
but i wonder if that’s the case when i hear the tone here and on other
forums where  blind folks and Apple are the common denominator.


/Krister


22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor :

Hello Everyone,

I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, know, is that
with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, etc, reporting a
problem,
regardless of how important it may appear to be to the tester, is not
always
addressed immediately or, in some cases, ever.

It has been my experience that the larger an organization becomes, the
less
responsive, in terms of addressing non-mission critical problems, it may
appear to be to external t

Re: Male focus bug Not fixed

[Rajmund]

Hello Carol, 
Yep, you go settings, general,  accessibility, voice  over practise. Thanks, I 
might try it in a  bit.

- Original Message -
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 11:58 am
Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed

>
>
> I can't really describe it any better than has been given, but I could 
> suggest that you try doing a little scrubbing action in the accessibility 
> settings where you can try them out! I think you will know where they are! 
> Smiley you will know if you've got it right! It only needs to be a fairly 
> small scrub!
> 
> 
> 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
> On 23 Oct 2015, at 11:51, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> LOL, that's something that even though friends and everyone said how to, I'm 
> miserably failing. When you say a z shape, for those of us who could never 
> see, is there another way to describe? 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 10:41 am
> Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed
> 
> > 
> > 
> > hi,
> > A scrub gesture, the best way I can describe it, is assorters Z shape done 
> > with two fingers rather quickly.
> > 
> > hope this helps, Sandy
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On 23 Oct 2015, at 10:28, 'Simon w' via VIPhone  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> What is the scrub gesture?
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:18 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Mary,
> >>> Using an iPhone 6 and the latest 9.1 I just tried this out: this is not 
> >>> exactly empirical research, but rather than trying the back button to go 
> >>> to the list of email messages, which, in my case, took me back to the 
> >>> top, try a scrub gesture. this took me to the message I was reading.
> >>> Good luck, Sandy
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> 
>  On 23 Oct 2015, at 04:03, Mary Otten  wrote:
>  
>  I have a brand-new iPhone 6s which I received today. It has iOS 9.1. I 
>  have a whole lot of saved mail in my inbox and I found a message down 
>  the list to Waze and read that message. As I understand it, people are 
>  saying that when you exit such a message, you should not  be put back up 
>  to the top of your message list. That is exactly what happened to me. 
>  When I exited that message, I was placed back at the top of my inbox. In 
>  this case, that was not a big deal, as I had no need to be down there 
>  where I had been in the middle of my inbox message list. However, for 
>  those who find this problematic, and I can see how it could be in some 
>  scenarios, I have to say that it did not work for me as others have 
>  described.
>  Mary
>  
>  
>  Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Male focus bug Not fixed

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

you don't have to keep them straight either!



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 23 Oct 2015, at 11:56, Robert Hill  wrote:

If you hold 2 fingers together, and start at the right side of the screen, move 
your fingers, left, right, then left again.

Bob 


Sent from Bob's iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> LOL, that's something that even though friends and everyone said how to, I'm 
> miserably failing. When you say a z shape, for those of us who could never 
> see, is there another way to describe? 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 10:41 am
> Subject: Re: Male focus bug Not fixed
> 
>> 
>> 
>> hi,
>> A scrub gesture, the best way I can describe it, is assorters Z shape done 
>> with two fingers rather quickly.
>> 
>> hope this helps, Sandy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 23 Oct 2015, at 10:28, 'Simon w' via VIPhone  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What is the scrub gesture?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:18 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
 Mary,
 Using an iPhone 6 and the latest 9.1 I just tried this out: this is not 
 exactly empirical research, but rather than trying the back button to go 
 to the list of email messages, which, in my case, took me back to the top, 
 try a scrub gesture. this took me to the message I was reading.
 Good luck, Sandy
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 23 Oct 2015, at 04:03, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have a brand-new iPhone 6s which I received today. It has iOS 9.1. I 
> have a whole lot of saved mail in my inbox and I found a message down the 
> list to Waze and read that message. As I understand it, people are saying 
> that when you exit such a message, you should not  be put back up to the 
> top of your message list. That is exactly what happened to me. When I 
> exited that message, I was placed back at the top of my inbox. In this 
> case, that was not a big deal, as I had no need to be down there where I 
> had been in the middle of my inbox message list. However, for those who 
> find this problematic, and I can see how it could be in some scenarios, I 
> have to say that it did not work for me as others have described.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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