Re: Applevis Site

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

Fingers crossed that archive.org will archive the site so the content won't completely disappear.Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 28, 2024, at 11:08 AM, Mama Peach  wrote:It is so sad that we will lose all the content that everybody’s work so hard to get up there.On Jul 28, 2024, at 12:12 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:Also, be aware that according to David Goodwin's blog post about the closure of AppleVis that the site will go from read only to removed completely after August 31, 2024. Allen Lemly Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 28, 2024, at 11:06 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







The site is read only now, the contact form is no longer available, e.g. it says

 
Status message
Sorry… This form is closed to new submissions.
 
Having said this, if any of the Applevis people read this, it might be an idea to approach Apple directly and ask if they would host/maintain the site and by doing so allow the editorial team and other contributors to continue.
 


From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 

Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2024 1:47 PM
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Subject: Re: Applevis Site


 
https://www.applevis.com/contact

 


 

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On Jul 27, 2024, at 1:09 PM, Juan hernandez  wrote:





Hi All,
 
Can someone help me out by giving me David goodwin’s email, or some contact method? Or maybe one of the other editorial team emails? I’d like to discuss applevis.com and future hosting and running of the site
 
Best,
 
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RE: Thomas Donville's podcast?

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

There isn’t much there right now.

I have no idea if he will continue it separate from AppleVis…

Time will tell.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 10:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Thomas Donville's podcast?

 

That's it! Yes I knew it had something to do with In the Dark! Thanks for this! 
I'll definitely go and follow it on Overcast!

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel





El 28 jul 2024, a la(s) 11:06 a.m., 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > escribió:



One of his podcasts is called Seeing in the Dark, this is what I found in 
Overcast:

 

Seeing in the Dark is geared towards blind or visually impaired individuals. 
Your host, Thomas Domville (aka: AnonyMouse), will demonstrate and detail iOS, 
Windows, and other technology software, products, and services from a blind 
perspective.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ...

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 

 





On Jul 28, 2024, at 9:48 AM, Joseph Hudson mailto:jhud7...@outlook.com> > wrote:

I know you can look him up on X, he occasionally post his content there. And 
maybe you could ask him what the podcast is called.




On Jul 27, 2024, at 8:27 PM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

With the closing of "AppleVis", I hope Thomas Donville continues to produce his 
podcast!, especially during the beginning of September when he reviews the new 
iOS features! But for the life of me, I just can't remember what the podcast is 
called, to subscribe to it! I was on there before, but because it was a repeat 
of AppleVis, I saw no sense in being there, but now that Applevis is closing...

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

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Re: Thomas Donville's podcast?

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

One of his podcasts is called Seeing in the Dark, this is what I found in 
Overcast:

Seeing in the Dark is geared towards blind or visually impaired individuals. 
Your host, Thomas Domville (aka: AnonyMouse), will demonstrate and detail iOS, 
Windows, and other technology software, products, and services from a blind 
perspective.



Richard, USA
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SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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> On Jul 28, 2024, at 9:48 AM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> I know you can look him up on X, he occasionally post his content there. And 
> maybe you could ask him what the podcast is called.
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2024, at 8:27 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> 
>> With the closing of "AppleVis", I hope Thomas Donville continues to produce 
>> his podcast!, especially during the beginning of September when he reviews 
>> the new iOS features! But for the life of me, I just can't remember what the 
>> podcast is called, to subscribe to it! I was on there before, but because it 
>> was a repeat of AppleVis, I saw no sense in being there, but now that 
>> Applevis is closing...
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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RE: Applevis Site

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

To be extra clear, David said it would go away after August 31st if no other 
option is found.

While it is a slim chance this will happen, as it says in one of our favorites 
songs from Spamalot, it is “not dead yet.”

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Applevis Site

 

Also, be aware that according to David Goodwin's blog post about the closure of 
AppleVis that the site will go from read only to removed completely after 
August 31, 2024. 

 

Allen Lemly 

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On Jul 28, 2024, at 11:06 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

The site is read only now, the contact form is no longer available, e.g. it 
says 

 

Status message

Sorry… This form is closed to new submissions.

 

Having said this, if any of the Applevis people read this, it might be an idea 
to approach Apple directly and ask if they would host/maintain the site and by 
doing so allow the editorial team and other contributors to continue.

 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2024 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Applevis Site

 

https://www.applevis.com/contact

 

 

Richard, USA

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - 
Jane Wagner from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe.

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

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On Jul 27, 2024, at 1:09 PM, Juan hernandez mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi All,

 

Can someone help me out by giving me David goodwin’s email, or some contact 
method? Or maybe one of the other editorial team emails? I’d like to discuss 
applevis.com and future hosting and running of the site

 

Best,

 

Juan

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RE: Strange sound from my iPhone 8 when trying to type in an edit field

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

Have you also used a bluetooth keyboard with your phone?  That could be a 
Braille device or QWERTY keyboard.

If so, connect the keyboard or braille device again and make sure it says 
QuickNav Off then disconnect the keyboard and things should return to normal.

If you don’t have this situation, call Apple Accessibility: 877-204-3930

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
Downey
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Strange sound from my iPhone 8 when trying to type in an edit field

 

Hello,

 

This morning when I tried to type into a search field on my iPhone 8, I got a 
bleeping sort of sound and the keyboard wasn’t there. I’ve cleared the app 
switcher, checked my rotor and powered off the phone but this still persists. 
Anyone have any ideas other than old phone syndrome?

 

Thanks!

 

Debbie

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Michael Capelle has started an AppleVis discussion list

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

Michael Capelle asked that this be shared, so I am passing it along.

 

Hello all.

With the announcement of applevis shutting down, I decided to create a list for 
applevis, to promote, discuss and share articles.

To join, send a blank message to:

applevisdiscuss+subscr...@groups.io 
 

 

Please share this far and wide.

 

 

 

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Re: Applevis Site

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https://www.applevis.com/contactRichard, USA"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe.My web site: https://www.turner42.com/Sent from my iPad Mini 6On Jul 27, 2024, at 1:09 PM, Juan hernandez  wrote:Hi All, Can someone help me out by giving me David goodwin’s email, or some contact method? Or maybe one of the other editorial team emails? I’d like to discuss applevis.com and future hosting and running of the site Best, Juan



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Re: Schedule in Olympics App

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I just downloaded the app to try. Even with screen recognition on, it seems not 
very accessible. 



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> On Jul 27, 2024, at 2:48 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
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> Has anyone had success reading the schedule tab in the Olympics app? For me 
> it is just a jumble.
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Note from Sonos about their updates ...

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

To our listeners,

 

We know that too many of you have experienced significant problems with our
new app which rolled out on May 7, and I want to begin by personally
apologizing for disappointing you. There isn't an employee at Sonos who
isn't pained by having let you down, and I assure you that fixing the app
for all of our customers and partners has been, and continues to be, our
number one priority.

 

We developed the new app to create a better experience, with the ability to
drive more innovation in the future, and with the knowledge that it would
get better over time. However, since launch we have found a number of
issues. Fixing these issues has delayed our prior plan to quickly
incorporate missing features and functionality.

 

Since May 7, we have released new software updates approximately every two
weeks, each making significant and meaningful improvements, adding features
and fixing bugs. Please see the release notes for Sonos software updates for
detailed information on what has been released to date.

https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/release-notes-for-sonos-software-upd
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mCAQA1=ikboiyi2dbw9

 

While these software updates have enabled the majority of our customers to
have a robust experience using the Sonos app, there is more work to be done.
We have prioritized the following improvements in our next phase of software
updates:

 

July and August:

"  Improving the stability when adding new products

"  Implementing Music Library configuration, browse, search, and
play

August and September:

"  Improving Volume responsiveness

"  User Interface improvements based on customer feedback

"  Improving overall system stability and error handling

September:

"  Improving the reliability of Alarm consistency and reliability

September and October:

"  Restoring edit mode for Playlists and the Queue

"  Improving functionality in settings

 

We plan to continue releasing new software updates on a bi-weekly cadence.
With each release, we will share detailed notes on what we've addressed and
what we're working on next in our Community.

 

We deeply appreciate your patience as we address these issues. We know we
have work to do to earn back your trust and are working hard to do just
that. I am always open to your feedback, you can find me via email at
c...@sonos.com   .

 

Sincerely,

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Re: Be my AI question

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I have never found a way to copy a thread. That would be worth requesting of 
the developers though. 


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> On Jul 24, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Keith Kramlinger  
> wrote:
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> Hi,
> I am very much enjoying the capabilities of be my AI.
> I have successfully copied the text of a response from be my AI. Is it 
> possible to copy an entire thread on a single image, or is it necessary to 
> copy with each interrogation? It seems to me that I am only able to copy the 
> text of the most recent question.
> If possible to copy an entire thread, can someone please explain how to do 
> this?
> Thanks in advance. Keith
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Re: What is the subscription link

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Try writing Mark Taylor directly, the list moderator:
mk...@ucla.edu

Then you could try the subscription address, but writing Mark directly and 
putting something like attention please in the subject might get faster 
results. Here is the subscribe address: viphone+subscr...@googlegroups.com


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> On Jul 23, 2024, at 4:18 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
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> so I can give it to her.
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Re: Anybody having issues with Bard?

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

That behavior usually means your phone's resources are full up. So, clear the 
app switcher and reboot. If that doesn't do it, delete the app and reinstall 
it. 
Good luck.


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> On Jul 22, 2024, at 6:01 PM, 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone 
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> Hello all,
> I use the bard app to download and read books on my iPhone 15 Pro. For the 
> last two days, every time I open the app, it closes immediately. I certainly 
> can try uninstalling and re-downloading, but of course I will lose all my 
> books. Just wondering if this could be related to the outage that happened 
> last week or whether I am just having a particular difficulty with my copy of 
> the app. Thanks.
> Amy.
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Re: how send text message with audio recording

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

Thank you for that. I had not realized audio messages can be transcribed like that. That is an excellent feature. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 19, 2024, at 7:13 PM, Lyne  wrote:Finally here in EnglishSend and receive audio messages in Messages on iPhonesupport.apple.comLyneLe 19 juill. 2024 à 21:57, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  a écrit :I wonder if it is like the voice mail transcription on the iPhone. I had not heard of this with audio text messages either. But that is a nice option. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 19, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Then I must admit my ignorance, I have no idea how you would send an "audio text message" which gets translated into text.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2024 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording


 

Hello,


Here we are talking about audio text message not text message.


If you send an audio text message there is a possibility that could be translate in text for deaf person.


When the audio text message is translated, it’s most of the time hard for us to listen the audio message. Hope you understand better now



Lyne






Le 18 juill. 2024 à 11:36, Sieghard Weitzel  a écrit :




 

Sorry, but I'm not sure here what you mean.
" text audio can be written for deaf person and for us it's impossible to get the audio when it happened."
Not sure what you mean by "text audio" and by " it's impossible to get the audio when it happened."
 As far as I am concerned I can either send a text message or an audio message which would be a recording of my actual voice.

If I send a text message I can either type the text using the onscreen keyboard or a connected Bluetooth keyboard or Braille display or I can use dictation.
If I send an audio message I start the message, enter my recipient and then I tap on "Apps" and "Audio" and then I record my message and send it or of course I can ask Siri to send an audio message to whoever my recipient is, Siri will
 ask me to go ahead and record and then send it. I just asked Siri to send an audio message to myself to test it, after I recorded a phrase and confirmed I wanted to send it, I received a text from myself with the audio and I had to tap on it to play it.
 
 
 


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Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 6:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Not totally true because your text audio can be written for deaf person and for us it's impossible to get the audio when it happened.  

Lyne







Le 17 juill. 2024 à 19:41, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> a écrit :




 

If you mean dictation where you speak the message, but it is then entered as text then no, an audio message means sending a voice recording just like you can send a voice message or a text message in Whatsapp.
 


From:
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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That way some time translate in words...

I think it's what he doesn't want...

Lyne








Le 17 juill. 2024 à 16:22, Barbara Stahl <stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com> a écrit :






Are you talking about sending an audio Message if this is the case, then you open messages, compose a message and The audio message option is in the app section if you scroll down your phone in the compose message dialogue thing you will
 see or rather hear VoiceOver say apps, and it'll say they're either visible or hidden double tap until it says apps visible, then scroll to audio message and double tap that and then it'll tell you instructions for creating an audio message note that I believe,
 unless you alter some thing in Settings, these messages will disappear after a specified amount of time so if you don't want them to disappear, you have to make the change in settings probably under messages in settings








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I'd like to learn how to do this but I can't seem to find the info.  Anyone out there know how to send messages that have audio recordings instead of everything written out?
 
Thanks.
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Re: how send text message with audio recording

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

I wonder if it is like the voice mail transcription on the iPhone. I had not heard of this with audio text messages either. But that is a nice option. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 19, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Then I must admit my ignorance, I have no idea how you would send an "audio text message" which gets translated into text.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2024 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording


 

Hello,


Here we are talking about audio text message not text message.


If you send an audio text message there is a possibility that could be translate in text for deaf person.


When the audio text message is translated, it’s most of the time hard for us to listen the audio message. Hope you understand better now



Lyne






Le 18 juill. 2024 à 11:36, Sieghard Weitzel  a écrit :




 

Sorry, but I'm not sure here what you mean.
" text audio can be written for deaf person and for us it's impossible to get the audio when it happened."
Not sure what you mean by "text audio" and by " it's impossible to get the audio when it happened."
 As far as I am concerned I can either send a text message or an audio message which would be a recording of my actual voice.

If I send a text message I can either type the text using the onscreen keyboard or a connected Bluetooth keyboard or Braille display or I can use dictation.
If I send an audio message I start the message, enter my recipient and then I tap on "Apps" and "Audio" and then I record my message and send it or of course I can ask Siri to send an audio message to whoever my recipient is, Siri will
 ask me to go ahead and record and then send it. I just asked Siri to send an audio message to myself to test it, after I recorded a phrase and confirmed I wanted to send it, I received a text from myself with the audio and I had to tap on it to play it.
 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 6:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording


 
Not totally true because your text audio can be written for deaf person and for us it's impossible to get the audio when it happened.  

Lyne







Le 17 juill. 2024 à 19:41, Sieghard Weitzel  a écrit :




 

If you mean dictation where you speak the message, but it is then entered as text then no, an audio message means sending a voice recording just like you can send a voice message or a text message in Whatsapp.
 


From:
viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording


 
That way some time translate in words...

I think it's what he doesn't want...

Lyne








Le 17 juill. 2024 à 16:22, Barbara Stahl  a écrit :






Are you talking about sending an audio Message if this is the case, then you open messages, compose a message and The audio message option is in the app section if you scroll down your phone in the compose message dialogue thing you will
 see or rather hear VoiceOver say apps, and it'll say they're either visible or hidden double tap until it says apps visible, then scroll to audio message and double tap that and then it'll tell you instructions for creating an audio message note that I believe,
 unless you alter some thing in Settings, these messages will disappear after a specified amount of time so if you don't want them to disappear, you have to make the change in settings probably under messages in settings








On Jul 17, 2024, at 2:53 PM, Dan  wrote:




 

I'd like to learn how to do this but I can't seem to find the info.  Anyone out there know how to send messages that have audio recordings instead of everything written out?
 
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Re: contacts

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The only time I have seen this is if my default contacts account got switched.I leave mine on Outlook so it syncs with my Outlook contacts on my computer. But, I had an issue that required deleting that account and setting it up again.  Well, Contacts switched to iCloud and had me thinking I lost a bunch of contacts.  Once I figured that out, and set it right., all was fineRichard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 19, 2024, at 7:11 AM, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:






With in the last week some of my contacts have 
simply disappeared and I don't know why. I'm running the beta for eighteen but 
I've been running it since last year and only this week did they come up 
missing.
**God has a plan for me. I may not see it 
right away but I'm willing to wait on the blessing he has in store for 
me!
 
*Family times theatre https://radio.goldenstreams.net:8020/stream.mp3We 
now have a LadyA skill: ask your smart speaker to enable wrightjams 
FamilyTimesAsk your smart speaker to open  wrightjams 
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RE: Asking a question about a beta on this list?

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

Have you tried, my personal least favorite feature, Screen Recognition?  It is 
actually a great feature when the developer hasn't made the app accessible from 
the get-go, and Screen Recognition actually identifies buttons and such that 
VoiceOver doesn't; but if Screen Recognition is on and you are not aware of it, 
it can cause no end of frustration.

IN this case, it might be worth toggling it on.
If you ahven't messed with it, add it to the rotor items so you can easily 
toggle it on or off.

HTH,

Richard, USA
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-Original Message-
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Lavigna
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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This definitely is a public beta. No NDA involved lol. Believe it or not about 
17 years ago, no more like 16, back when windows mobile devices existed an NDA 
was put together for beta software that I was participating in testing. Wow 
those were the days.

But the issue I’m specifically noticing right now has to do with the Photos app 
on my iPhone. Navigating it definitely is a challenge and is some thing that 
I’m going to continue working toward mastering. I’m not used to not figuring 
something out within the first couple hours ha ha.
Loreal
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> On Jul 18, 2024, at 12:55, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
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> If we're talking about the public beta then I don't see why it isn't fare 
> game for the list. Private betas, where NDA's may be involved, are a 
> different kettle of fish though.
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> -Original Message-
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> Subject: RE: Asking a question about a beta on this list?
> 
> There is also a list to specifically discuss the Beta. I don't currently have 
> a message from the list, but you can try this:
> 
> subscribe+apple-beta-us...@groups.io
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> -Original Message-
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> I can't remember, but is commenting or asking questions about a beta release 
> of iOS software allowed on this list? If not, where is the best place to ask 
> this question as it relates to blind or visually impaired iPhone users?
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Re: Asking a question about a beta on this list?

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I'm thinking that list was closed. Adam Morris I think had been the owner. 



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> On Jul 18, 2024, at 9:48 AM, Loreal Lavigna  wrote:
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> I did try the email and unfortunately it must not be the correct one. 
> Hopefully someone will have an email from them and be able to provide me the 
> address. Thank you so much for trying to answer questions and also trying to 
> point me in the right direction of the list for the beta discussion.
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>> I can’t remember, but is commenting or asking questions about a beta release 
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>> this question as it relates to blind or visually impaired iPhone users?
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Re: subscribing to this list

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> On Jul 18, 2024, at 9:37 AM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
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Re: Asking a question about a beta on this list?

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I think Mark said it was OK a couple of years ago or so, but I'm not sure. Why 
don't you go ahead and put your comment or question out there and see what 
happens. I do not know of a list specific for beta discussion and since betas 
are open to anyone, it doesn't seem Apple cares about discussions concerning 
betas. 
'


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> On Jul 18, 2024, at 5:25 AM, Loreal Lavigna  wrote:
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Re: How to Set Split Tap

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The other things to be sure you change in settings, general, keyboard is to turn off slide to type and predictive text. They are both a pain in the butt for VoiceOver users. If those are off, touch typing works very well because you do not have to slide unless you touch the wrong letter, then slide to the correct letter and lift. It works great. But I usually use braille screen input just because it is even easier for me. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 17, 2024, at 5:35 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:I could never figure out touch typing either. I could never really slide to the letters I wanted very easily. I’m glad I have my braille keyboard to use instead.Sent from Joshua’s radical chariot!!!On Jul 17, 2024, at 7:27 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  wrote:The setting is called Touch Typing and is under VoiceOver settings, typing: and will say:Typing Style Touch TypingYou probably have typing style set to normal, double tap and flick through the options and select touch typing. Then, touch and lift will be their friend.Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 17, 2024, at 5:06 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:Actually I was referring to just split tapping on the home screen but since you mentioned it, I was also looking on how to set up typing such that I can touch a letter & when I lift my finger, it is typed.  I looked through settings but could not find it & set it up so long ago that I can’t remember what I did.  I think this would also help the friend who just started using voice over. I thought about changing the subject for this but decided I should stick to the thread.  I’ve seen so many complaints about changing the subject. Sherry Wells From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard WeitzelSent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 7:37 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: How to Set Split Tap She may refer to using split tap when typing text in which case standard typing has to be selected, but I believe that is still the case by default when you set up a new iPhone and you have to change it to touch typing which in my opinion is much more efficient. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Christopher ChaltainSent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 10:33 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: How to Set Split Tap Agreed. Split tap is just an alternative to double tapping, and you get this for free, just like double tapping. --Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 12:30 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: How to Set Split Tap There is no setting I know of. Split Tap means holding one finger on the icon then while keeping that finger in contact with the screen, tap with any other finger then release. It can be more accurate for some than the single finger double tap.Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised My web site: https://www.turner42.com (sent from my iPhone 13 pro)   On Jul 17, 2024, at 9:17 AM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:Hello, I have been using split tap for years & years so don’t remember how to set it.  I want to share this with a friend who recently got an Iphone. Thanks,Sherry Wells-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/01b701dad864%24c5b51880%24511f4980%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquin

Re: How to Set Split Tap

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The setting is called Touch Typing and is under VoiceOver settings, typing: and will say:Typing Style Touch TypingYou probably have typing style set to normal, double tap and flick through the options and select touch typing. Then, touch and lift will be their friend.Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 17, 2024, at 5:06 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:Actually I was referring to just split tapping on the home screen but since you mentioned it, I was also looking on how to set up typing such that I can touch a letter & when I lift my finger, it is typed.  I looked through settings but could not find it & set it up so long ago that I can’t remember what I did.  I think this would also help the friend who just started using voice over. I thought about changing the subject for this but decided I should stick to the thread.  I’ve seen so many complaints about changing the subject. Sherry Wells From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard WeitzelSent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 7:37 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: How to Set Split Tap She may refer to using split tap when typing text in which case standard typing has to be selected, but I believe that is still the case by default when you set up a new iPhone and you have to change it to touch typing which in my opinion is much more efficient. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Christopher ChaltainSent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 10:33 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: How to Set Split Tap Agreed. Split tap is just an alternative to double tapping, and you get this for free, just like double tapping. --Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 12:30 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: How to Set Split Tap There is no setting I know of. Split Tap means holding one finger on the icon then while keeping that finger in contact with the screen, tap with any other finger then release. It can be more accurate for some than the single finger double tap.Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised My web site: https://www.turner42.com (sent from my iPhone 13 pro)   On Jul 17, 2024, at 9:17 AM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:Hello, I have been using split tap for years & years so don’t remember how to set it.  I want to share this with a friend who recently got an Iphone. Thanks,Sherry Wells-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/01b701dad864%24c5b51880%24511f4980%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/67CE145E-82E3-4F2B-B30C-D1A4FBA883A2%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives f

Re: how send text message with audio recording

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No need to compose a message, when you open the audio section, you will end up recording your message with the microphone and send that recording. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 17, 2024, at 1:22 PM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:Are you talking about sending an audio Message if this is the case, then you open messages, compose a message and The audio message option is in the app section if you scroll down your phone in the compose message dialogue thing you will see or rather hear VoiceOver say apps, and it'll say they're either visible or hidden double tap until it says apps visible, then scroll to audio message and double tap that and then it'll tell you instructions for creating an audio message note that I believe, unless you alter some thing in Settings, these messages will disappear after a specified amount of time so if you don't want them to disappear, you have to make the change in settings probably under messages in settingsOn Jul 17, 2024, at 2:53 PM, Dan  wrote:

  


  
  
I'd like to learn how to do this but I
can't seem to find the info.  Anyone out there know how to send
messages that have audio recordings instead of everything
written out?

  
Thanks.
  
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Re: How to Set Split Tap

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There is no setting I know of. Split Tap means holding one finger on the icon then while keeping that finger in contact with the screen, tap with any other finger then release. It can be more accurate for some than the single finger double tap. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 17, 2024, at 9:17 AM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:Hello, I have been using split tap for years & years so don’t remember how to set it.  I want to share this with a friend who recently got an Iphone. Thanks,Sherry Wells



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Re: Speechify

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It may be illegal for an app to give access to Kindle books if they do not have an agreement with Amazon first. To promise access, without getting all that set up would be very silly on the app developer's part. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 17, 2024, at 9:24 AM, Ivan Icin  wrote:Kindle is coming soon to Speechify for at least 2 years and could be even 3 it is hard to count now. I don’t think that any app will ever deploy that feature for the simple reason that it is illegal and no person that has a brain would allow Amazon to take legal action against his company. Even the practice that they use now to highlight that it is for accessibility purposes only and that user needs to agree that he won’t use for other purposes unless he needs accessibility is extremely legally risky and may not work well worldwide where regulation regarding this may vary. If you believe that you have legal rights to use Kindle books that way, then simply use some of those free apps that convert them to PDFs and then you can use them in any app that you like. On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 1:33:52 AM UTC+2 Kayla Puderer wrote:There Kendall option is coming soon, or a couple of weeks ago when I installed the app it was.I certainly couldn’t get the app to work, it would only work with files I had on my phone, which was quite limiting, so I unsubscribed and took it off my phone. It’s cool for a little while though.Live every day like it’s your last, because you never know when your last day will come! Sent from my iPhone 14 ProOn Jul 16, 2024, at 2:06 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:Hello friends,Does anyone use speechify? How do I get AI voices?  Does it read Kindle books?  Can I use language of my choice?  Is there any podcaste that could help with this?  Help would be appreciated.Thank you.Ketan from India-- Ketan KothariPhone: [r] 02228283281, Cell: +919987550614+917021054612Facebook:  facebook.com/muktaketanTwitter:  @muktaketanSkype ID: Ketan



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Re: NFB Newsline Mobile

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So email them. multiple times if necessary. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 14, 2024, at 11:03 AM, Tom Lange  wrote:unfortunately, they’re not that good about answering their phones.On Jul 14, 2024, at 9:47 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:I recommend everyone having issues contact NFB Newsline directly:National toll free: 866-504-7300 or in Maryland: 410-659-9314, extension 2317, email: nfbnewsl...@nfb.org  Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ... SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of KimberlySent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 9:41 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: NFB Newsline Mobile The washington post is still not right. It shows today's paper but the only section that shows up is the obits. Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone” those who seek to band books are wrong, no matter how dangerous books can be.“ Viet Thanh NguyenOn Jul 13, 2024, at 2:44 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:Hi all,Imagine my surprise to find that the NFB Newsline mobile app appears to be working again. Earlier this morning there was still a server issue, but a short time ago, some time between 10 and 11 a.m. I was able to login successfully, and the app remembered all of my favorite publications. Some publications like the Los Angeles Times, however,  were not updated; the latest issue was for July 9.My local TV listings were available as well.  www.nfbnewslineonline.orgappears to be back in business, too. I was able to log in just fine, though I didn’t explore the site to see what kind of shape it was in. Tom -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00b301dad554%24b9575b10%242c061130%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/33489EEB-068D-4322-8A7E-3C1657A28BAC%40gmail.com.



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RE: NFB Newsline Mobile

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I recommend everyone having issues contact NFB Newsline directly:

National toll free: 866-504-7300 

or in Maryland: 410-659-9314, extension 2317, 

email:   nfbnewsl...@nfb.org

 

 

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB Newsline Mobile

 

The washington post is still not right. It shows today's paper but the only 
section that shows up is the obits. 

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone

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Hi all,

Imagine my surprise to find that the NFB Newsline mobile app appears to be 
working again. Earlier this morning there was still a server issue, but a short 
time ago, some time between 10 and 11 a.m. I was able to login successfully, 
and the app remembered all of my favorite publications. Some publications like 
the Los Angeles Times, however,  were not updated; the latest issue was for 
July 9.

My local TV listings were available as well. 

 

www.nfbnewslineonline.org  

appears to be back in business, too. I was able to log in just fine, though I 
didn’t explore the site to see what kind of shape it was in.

 

Tom

 

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Re: Screen Recognition Question

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Go to settings, accessibility, VoiceOver, VoiceOver Recognition and toggle it 
off there, or go to rotor items, and add it to the rotor so you can turn it off 
and on from the rotor in case an app works better with it. 


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> I accidentally turned screen recognition on and I need to know how to turn
> it off because now my bank app won't work.  Aelp would be appreciated ASAP.
> Thanks.
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Audio Description

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I am also on the Audio Description Project email list.  A person named,
Renee S. Arrington-Johnson wrote a paper detailing their experience with an
issue wiht YouTube TV that reveals how much work it is to deal with the
problem of Audio Description not being passed through.  The paper is well
worth reading.  With the author's permission, I posted it as an HTML
document on my web page as many folks were having trouble accessing the PDF.


The direct link to the paper is:

https://www.turner42.com/MissingAudioDescription.html

 

HTH.

 

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Re: Kindle to braille or audio

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Dan, for some reason your message came in the thread about audio description of the Olympics. By chance, did you hit reply and just change the subject? If so, that is not the way to post a new question. Start a new email to the group you want to send to, and then fill in the subject. If that is what you did; something odd is happening...Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 6, 2024, at 1:28 PM, Dan  wrote:

  

  
  
Hi all,


My wife has been reading a book that she would really like me to
  read.  However, it is only available on Kindle.  What is the best
  way to read a book like this?  I have seen folks discussing Kindle
  on Windows and IOS but am also wondering about converting it to
  braille or audio.


What is the best and cheapest way to approach this?


Thanks for any ideas.


Dan Beaver

  




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Re: [Tech-VI] NBCUniversal Enhances Accessibility For Its Coverage of The Olympic Games Paris 2024

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I do not know, but toward the end of the article there is an email address for NBC concerning issues with audio descrpiption so I'd try writing them and asking. The address is adfeedb...@nbcuni.comHTH,Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 6, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Debbie Downey  wrote:Hello, The Olympics and Para Olympics will be on NBC but will they also be on Peacock? There is 1 sentence Gold Zone whip-around show on Peacock that will have AD but will the entire Olympics Be on Peacock with AD?   Thanks! DebbieFrom: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Friday, July 5, 2024 9:40 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: FW: [Tech-VI] NBCUniversal Enhances Accessibility For Its Coverage of The Olympic Games Paris 2024 From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI announcement list Comcast RSS Feed - Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 9:30 AMNBCUniversal Enhances Accessibility For Its Coverage of The Olympic Games Paris 2024Closed captioning, which provides text of the coverage audio for viewers who are Deaf or hard of hearing, will be available for all Olympic and Paralympic events airing across NBCU’s broadcast and cable networks. NBCUniversal will also provide closed captioning for all digital livestreams with commentary across Peacock, NBCSports.com and the NBC Sports app.More audio description services – interspersing broadcast audio with skilled voices describing Olympic and Paralympic scenes and context – will be available for viewers who are blind or visually impaired for the Paris Olympics than any previous Games. All coverage on NBC, including daytime, primetime, and late night, and the Gold Zone whip-around show on Peacock, will feature audio description provided by Descriptive Video Works. In a first for a U.S. broadcaster, audio description services for NBC coverage will be provided in stereo, enhancing the quality of sound for viewers.For the Paralympic Games, NBC Sports will provide live audio description for all broadcast and cable programming, including those aired outside primetime hours, as well as on all simulstreams. Additionally, improved web content accessibility, including keyboard navigation, color contrast and support for screen readers, will be available on NBCOlympics.com, NBC.com, the NBC Sports app.  Livestreams and replays which offer audio description will have English audio description as a language choice within the players on these digital platforms. To easily find all events with audio description, click here.To contact NBCUniversal about issues related to closed captions, please send an email to ccfeedb...@nbcuni.com.  For audio description issues, email adfeedb...@nbcuni.com“Providing paths for the widest possible audience in the U.S. to enjoy the Olympic and Paralympic Games continues to be a key goal of our Olympics mission, and offering closed captioning on all live coverage with the most audio description ever is another important way we are cultivating inclusivity in our production,” said Gary Zenkel, President, NBC Olympics.All of this audio description and closed captioning will be available to Comcast Xfinity customers who experience the Games on the Xfinity X1 platform, including on the live Olympic Games coverage delivered in 4K, on Xfinity Stream, and on Xfinity Flex.“For over a decade, Comcast has been committed to making the moments that matter accessible to everyone, and NBCUniversal’s enhanced accessibility features for this year’s Olympic and Paralympic Games are a part of this mission,” said Tom Wlodkowski, Vice President of Accessibility at Comcast.https://corporate.comcast.com/press/releases/nbcuniversal-enhances-accessibility-coverage-olympic-games-paris-2024   David Goldfield,Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist If you need help using your assistive technology learn about my training services by visitingWWW.ScreenReaderTraining.com Am Yisrael ChaiThe Nation of Israel Lives! JAWS Certified, 2022NVDA Certified Expert Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.Email: tech-vi+subscr...@groups.iowww.DavidGoldfield.com  -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 

Re: Be My AI Rocks!

[Richard Turner]

Open the photo in whatever app you have it in, like an email, text message, or 
in the photos app/camera. Once focus is on the picture, and you have double 
tapped it, if you flick right, you should find a share button. Double tap and 
then flick through until you find describe with Be My Eyes. Double tap and it 
will process the description. 
It works wonderfully. 



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(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 


> On Jul 6, 2024, at 9:18 AM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> I

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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

[Richard Turner]

Barbara, that is a great example of how wonderful Be My Eyes is! You might want to send that example to the Be My Eyes team. Even though sometimes it can take a while to get a description, it is well worth the wait.Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 6, 2024, at 9:18 AM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:In  my opinion, the Be my AI picture describing feature is much better than Seeing AI's scene describing feature.  I just got a notification that a package arrived.  I went outside, but could not find it.  I then pulled up the email that had the picture showing proof of delivery.  I used both apps to describe the image.  The Seeing AI app just said that the picture showed a white sign with black letters saying the number of my apartment.  In contrast, the be my AI app told me exactly where the package was located in relation to the sign.   I was able to locate the package immediately.  On Jul 4, 2024, at 6:28 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Yes, Seeing AI was the first to recognize handwriting. At the time, it was truly revolutionary and they should get full credit for breaking the ground for handwriting recognition. And yes, most apps do recognize handwriting now. However, none have put the whole package together in such an easy and straight forward way as Be My Eyes. I keep trying all the other free, or free trial apps that offer AI descriptions, Be My Eyes is the easiest and often the best by quite a bit. At least in my opinion. Seeing AI is the best at immediate reading with the Short Text channel. I go to it first for most things I want to know what it says/is. But if I want more of a detailed description, I use Be My Eyes. Richard"There's a nap for that." Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 4, 2024, at 1:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







The Seeing AI app also has a handwriting channel and on the few occasions where I had a reason to use it, the result was quite good as well.
 
 


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!

 


 

Richard

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Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl <stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com> wrote:






Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing AI at reading mail. I love it too.






On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, 
lang...@gmail.com wrote:





Hi all,
Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging and it works pretty
 darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can
 take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future
 reference. But anyway…
 
In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes and put
 Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said
 that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little
 red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
 
For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
Take care, y’all.
 
Tom
 
 
 
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Re: [Tech-VI] NBCUniversal Enhances Accessibility For Its Coverage of The Olympic Games Paris 2024

[Richard Turner]

I do not know any more than what was in that article. It says available in the United States, so that tells me it probably isn't available in other countries. Is this something where a VPN might work if you can make it seem like you are in the US? I'm not sure how VPN works. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:03 PM, Afik Souffir  wrote:







Hi Richard,
 
Is there a way, I can watch the Olympics games with AD from israel?
 
Thanks much

 
 
 
 
 

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From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI announcement list Comcast RSS Feed - Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 9: 30 AM NBCUniversal Enhances Accessibility For Its Coverage of The
 Olympic Games Paris 2024 Closed captioning, which provides text of the coverage 






From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI announcement list
 
Comcast RSS Feed - Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 9:30 AM
NBCUniversal Enhances Accessibility For Its Coverage of The Olympic Games Paris 2024
Closed captioning, which provides text of the coverage audio for viewers who are Deaf or hard of hearing, will be available for all Olympic and Paralympic events airing across NBCU’s broadcast and cable networks. NBCUniversal will also provide closed captioning
 for all digital livestreams with commentary across Peacock, NBCSports.com and the NBC Sports app.
More audio description services – interspersing broadcast audio with skilled voices describing Olympic and Paralympic scenes and context – will be available for viewers who are blind or visually impaired for the Paris Olympics than any previous Games. All
 coverage on NBC, including daytime, primetime, and late night, and the Gold
 Zone whip-around show on Peacock, will feature audio description provided by Descriptive Video Works. In a first for a U.S. broadcaster, audio description services for NBC coverage will be provided in stereo, enhancing the quality of sound for viewers.
For the Paralympic Games, NBC Sports will provide live audio description for all broadcast and cable programming, including those aired outside primetime hours, as well as on all simulstreams. 
Additionally, improved web content accessibility, including keyboard navigation, color contrast and support for screen readers, will be available on NBCOlympics.com, NBC.com, the NBC Sports app.  Livestreams and replays which offer audio description will
 have English audio description as a language choice within the players on these digital platforms. To easily find all events with audio description, click here.
To contact NBCUniversal about issues related to closed captions, please send an email to ccfeedb...@nbcuni.com.  For audio description issues, email adfeedb...@nbcuni.com
“Providing paths for the widest possible audience in the U.S. to enjoy the Olympic and Paralympic Games continues to be a key goal of our Olympics mission, and offering closed captioning on all live coverage with the most audio description ever is another
 important way we are cultivating inclusivity in our production,” said Gary Zenkel, President, NBC Olympics.
All of this audio description and closed captioning will be available to Comcast Xfinity customers who experience the Games on the Xfinity X1 platform, including on the live Olympic Games coverage delivered in 4K, on Xfinity Stream, and on Xfinity Flex.
“For over a decade, Comcast has been committed to making the moments that matter accessible to everyone, and NBCUniversal’s enhanced accessibility features for this year’s Olympic and Paralympic Games are a part of this mission,” said Tom Wlodkowski, Vice
 President of Accessibility at Comcast.
https://corporate.comcast.com/press/releases/nbcuniversal-enhances-accessibility-coverage-olympic-games-paris-2024

 

 
 
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Re: Adding Text Selection to Rotor

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Apparently text selection is not available in messages. On the Action menu there is a copy option. otherwise there is the three finger quadruple tap to copy the last thing spoken by VoiceOver. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:01 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:I thought I’d be able to use this to copy text from a text message I received – apparently not.  I’ll try something else.   Thanks,Sherry Wells From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard WeitzelSent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 6:52 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Adding Text Selection to Rotor You only get text selection in edit fields or places where you can actually select any text.Have you tried, for example, in the Messages app or Mail app or in Notes? Open a new Note and write something, then turn the rotor and I am pretty sure you would find text selection.  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of sherrywells1...@gmail.comSent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 2:13 PMTo: 'VIPhone' Subject: Adding Text Selection to Rotor Hello, I have an IPhone SE & have the latest version 17 of IOS.  I have text selection on under voice over / rotor but it does not show up when I go through the rotor.  I tried unselecting it & selecting it again with no luck.  I do get something in rotor called actions.  It says actions activate.  When I select that nothing happens.   So what am I doing wrong?  And what is actions in the rotor? Thanks,Sherry WElls-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/028001dacb32%24538db490%24faa91db0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB5656FFC50E2D5899596D66BEC7D22%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com.



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Re: Voice Control Question

[Richard Turner]

Voice Control is designed for people who have trouble performing the gestures. If she has finger dexterity issues or tremmors,  or any condition where accurately doing the gestures is a problem, then Voice Control may be an option. It adds lots of tedium in using the phone. If she can do the gestures, then she should turn off Voice Control. A bluetooth keyboard is another option. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 5, 2024, at 7:17 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com wrote:I have a friend who just purchased a iPhone 15 Pro Max through T Mobile.  She was told that she needed to use Voice Control.  She does have a bit of usable sight but tends to use Siri and Voice Over mostly. Is it necessary for her to use Voice Control?  What is its purpose?  I think it is making using an iPhone without a home button a bit more challenging for her. Just trying to figure things out so I can explain them a bit better to one of her care givers. Vivian and Sallie who is retiring due to medical issues in 1 month.  USA  



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FW: [Tech-VI] NBCUniversal Enhances Accessibility For Its Coverage of The Olympic Games Paris 2024

[Richard Turner]

>From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI announcement list

 

Comcast RSS Feed - Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 9:30 AM


NBCUniversal Enhances Accessibility For Its Coverage of The Olympic Games Paris 
2024


Closed captioning, which provides text of the coverage audio for viewers who 
are Deaf or hard of hearing, will be available for all Olympic and Paralympic 
events airing across NBCU’s broadcast and cable networks. NBCUniversal will 
also provide closed captioning for all digital livestreams with commentary 
across Peacock, NBCSports.com and the NBC Sports app.

More audio description services – interspersing broadcast audio with skilled 
voices describing Olympic and Paralympic scenes and context – will be available 
for viewers who are blind or visually impaired for the Paris Olympics than any 
previous Games. All coverage on NBC, including daytime, primetime, and late 
night, and the  

 Gold Zone whip-around show on Peacock, will feature audio description provided 
by Descriptive Video Works. In a first for a U.S. broadcaster, audio 
description services for NBC coverage will be provided in stereo, enhancing the 
quality of sound for viewers.

For the Paralympic Games, NBC Sports will provide live audio description for 
all broadcast and cable programming, including those aired outside primetime 
hours, as well as on all simulstreams. 

Additionally, improved web content accessibility, including keyboard 
navigation, color contrast and support for screen readers, will be available on 
NBCOlympics.com, NBC.com, the NBC Sports app.  Livestreams and replays which 
offer audio description will have English audio description as a language 
choice within the players on these digital platforms. To easily find all events 
with audio description, click   
here.

To contact NBCUniversal about issues related to closed captions, please send an 
email to ccfeedb...@nbcuni.com  .  For audio 
description issues, email adfeedb...@nbcuni.com  

“Providing paths for the widest possible audience in the U.S. to enjoy the 
Olympic and Paralympic Games continues to be a key goal of our Olympics 
mission, and offering closed captioning on all live coverage with the most 
audio description ever is another important way we are cultivating inclusivity 
in our production,” said Gary Zenkel, President, NBC Olympics.

All of this audio description and closed captioning will be available to 
Comcast Xfinity customers who experience the Games on the Xfinity X1 platform, 
including on the live Olympic Games coverage delivered in 4K, on Xfinity 
Stream, and on Xfinity Flex.

“For over a decade, Comcast has been committed to making the moments that 
matter accessible to everyone, and NBCUniversal’s enhanced accessibility 
features for this year’s Olympic and Paralympic Games are a part of this 
mission,” said Tom Wlodkowski, Vice President of Accessibility at Comcast.

https://corporate.comcast.com/press/releases/nbcuniversal-enhances-accessibility-coverage-olympic-games-paris-2024

 

 

 

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iBUG Cafe iOS demo on the Camera App by Judy Dixon: Sunday, July 14, 5:00 PM Eastern Time

[Richard Turner]

From: Sree B. Roy Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 2:17 PM

 

Hello all,

Please join us at the iBUG Cafe on Sunday, July 14th from 4PM to 5:30PM
Central. 

 

Details:  Join us for this free "deep dive" training session on the Camera
app on the iPhone with special guest presenter Judy Dixon. 

 

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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

[Richard Turner]

Lelia and all, 
Below is what I got when taking a picture with Be My Eyes of a birthday card 
for my wife from a long time friend. Her handwritten message did indeed go onto 
the back of the card as it says at the end of the Be My Eyes message. 
This card was printed in cursive print, as well as our friend's handwritten 
message.  And, it is 100% accurate. 

The image shows an open birthday card. The printed text on the left side reads:

"Cute shoes, cute dog, and eventually everything works out fine."

Below that, in red text, it says:

"Happy Birthday"

There is a handwritten message below the printed text that reads:

"Carol -
Your friendship is a gift of great value to me and I hope this birthday is a 
blessed day for you - that you will know that you" 

The message seems to be cut off at the  end.

Image description provided with Be My Eyes.


Richard
"There's a nap for that." 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 5:17 PM, Lelia Struve  wrote:
> 
> Wait! I didn't know Be my Ai could read handwriting? Yes your right Seeing 
> ai does a greatjob with handwriting. How can you make be my ai read the 
> handwriting? Does aira's ai read handwriting?
> Lelia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 2:57 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the camera app can do this.
>> But, it is no where near as straight forward as Seeing AI or Be My Eyes.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "INTROVERTS UNITE ...
>> SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
>> -- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 1:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
>> 
>> The Camera app on the iPhone can also dynamically recognize text and objects.
>> —
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>>>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 6:44 AM, dandrews...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is one advantage to Seeing AI. With short text, it is dynamic, so 
>>> you can move around try again, flip the object etc., and still try to pick 
>>> up text. If you are just trying to identify an object it is great. 
>>> Something more complex may require something like Be My AI.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
>>> Arrigo
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 7:31 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
>>> 
>>> Yes, between be my AI, envision and seeing AI, I think be my AI is the best 
>>> one at this point.
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:20 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> "There's a nap for that."
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing 
>>>>> AI at reading mail. I love it too.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI.
>>>>>> It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My 
>>>>>> AI feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and 
>>>>>> packaging and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to 
>>>>>> read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash 
>>>>>> or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full 
>>>>>> page of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I 
>>>>>> can take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional 
>>>>>> information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave 
>>>>>> cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a 
>>>>>> notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future reference. 
>>>>>> But anyway…  In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with te

Re: Be My AI Rocks!

[Richard Turner]

There is nothing to do but use it the way you always do. If there is 
handwriting, it should read it. 


Richard
"There's a nap for that." 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 5:17 PM, Lelia Struve  wrote:
> 
> Wait! I didn't know Be my Ai could read handwriting? Yes your right Seeing 
> ai does a greatjob with handwriting. How can you make be my ai read the 
> handwriting? Does aira's ai read handwriting?
> Lelia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 2:57 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the camera app can do this.
>> But, it is no where near as straight forward as Seeing AI or Be My Eyes.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "INTROVERTS UNITE ...
>> SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
>> -- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 1:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
>> 
>> The Camera app on the iPhone can also dynamically recognize text and objects.
>> —
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>>>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 6:44 AM, dandrews...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is one advantage to Seeing AI. With short text, it is dynamic, so 
>>> you can move around try again, flip the object etc., and still try to pick 
>>> up text. If you are just trying to identify an object it is great. 
>>> Something more complex may require something like Be My AI.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
>>> Arrigo
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 7:31 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
>>> 
>>> Yes, between be my AI, envision and seeing AI, I think be my AI is the best 
>>> one at this point.
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:20 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> "There's a nap for that."
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing 
>>>>> AI at reading mail. I love it too.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI.
>>>>>> It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My 
>>>>>> AI feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and 
>>>>>> packaging and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to 
>>>>>> read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash 
>>>>>> or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full 
>>>>>> page of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I 
>>>>>> can take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional 
>>>>>> information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave 
>>>>>> cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a 
>>>>>> notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future reference. 
>>>>>> But anyway…  In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps 
>>>>>> in the upper 90s, so I turned on the central air and needed to check to 
>>>>>> see what my apartment’s inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my 
>>>>>> phone, loaded Be My Eyes and put Be My AI to the test. I went into the 
>>>>>> hallway, positioned the phone’s camera so that it could see the 
>>>>>> thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded by saying that it saw the 
>>>>>> wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the thermostat was set 
>>>>>> to, it said that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I flipped the 
>>>>>> light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly see 
>>>&g

RE: Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled official one

[Richard Turner]

Hello Sieghard and all,

I wrote the developer of Sonophone to inquire about accessibility with 
VoiceOver.  I also mentioned I would like to be able to test the app without 
having to buy it first…

Well, within half a day, he wrote me back with a link to the beta build in 
Testflight.

He is a solo developer and had not had any experience with VoiceOver.

 

I checked out the app, and there of course were lots of accessibility issues 
with button labels, etc.

 

I gave him some feedback on those items I initially found.  I also sent him the 
information from Apple for developers on how to make their apps better with 
VoiceOver.

 

That was yesterday.  Today, I got an email from him with a new build in 
Testflight where he had gone through and added the accessibility labels for 
pretty much everything.

 

He is open to more feedback.  Which is a great sign.

I sent him 5 more questions/observations just a little while ago.

 

I will add some of what you said Sieghard about alarms, etc.  I can tell you 
that from the get go, it is easier to access your own music library with his 
app.

Now, when I first launched the app it took probably 10 or more minutes to find 
all my Sonos speakers, but it did find them.

 

Given he is a solo developer it will take time to get it to have the features 
maybe everyone would like.  And it could be he isn’t trying to have everything 
the Sonos app has, I don’t know yet.

There are some oddities about the way you get the music playing, but it isn’t 
that much more difficult than the Sonos app itself.

Of course you cannot setup a Sonos system and do some of the technical stuff 
that you can do in the manufacturer’s app.

But if it provides another way of accessing your music and such that is easier 
to use, I’ll support him in doing that.

 

Later,

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 1:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the 
troubled official one

 

That is all nice and good, but by now the new Sonos app is actually working 
somewhat OK even though it seems less efficient than the old one, but from what 
I read on some Sonos groups and forums I am on, a lot of the complaints by 
sighted users concern the fact that you cannot play music from a local library 
like on a NAS, you can't eduit queues and the snooze feature is missing from 
alarms. Local library playback and alarms are both features which are mentioned 
this SonoPhone app doesn't have to begin with.

This would be quite an opportunity however if a developer could come out with a 
Sonos replacement which can do all these things and do them better than the 
official Sonos app.

Sonos has definitely won the how to make a mess of things lottery; they screwed 
up before when they first started their upgrade program and bricked any device 
you would use to get an upgrade credit before changing their tune and letting 
you use a device to get an upgrade credit but then also either continue to use 
said device or sell it. I wouldn't be surprised if Patrick Spence, the current 
CEO, is going to be looking for a new job since ultimately I assume the CEO is 
to blame for this idiocy.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 1:16 PM
To: VIPhone via mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled 
official one

 

 

I have not had any experience with this app, as I have no Sonos gear. However, 
for those of you who are still having a problem with the Sonos screwed up app 
that they still haven’t put completely right, maybe this one will be better. No 
idea how accessible it is or is not.

Mary

Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled official 
one

TechRadar - All the latest technology news

 

   

If you're one of the Sonos users who doesn't like the updated app 

 , there may be a solution: a third-party app called SonoPhone. 

The app has been out for some time – its version history on the Apple 
  App Store goes back eight years and the 
YouTube   promo clip embedded below is 
10 years old – but it's being rediscovered by Sonos 
  users such as "Cake Burner", who writes 
on Apple's iOS App Store that "after the dreadful launch of the new Sonos 
app... SonoPhone does 

RE: Be My AI Rocks!

[Richard Turner]

Yes, the camera app can do this.
But, it is no where near as straight forward as Seeing AI or Be My Eyes.


Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 1:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!

The Camera app on the iPhone can also dynamically recognize text and objects.
—
Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
Chaltain at Gmail

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 6:44 AM, dandrews...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> There is one advantage to Seeing AI. With short text, it is dynamic, so you 
> can move around try again, flip the object etc., and still try to pick up 
> text. If you are just trying to identify an object it is great. Something 
> more complex may require something like Be My AI.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
> Arrigo
> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 7:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
>
> Yes, between be my AI, envision and seeing AI, I think be my AI is the best 
> one at this point.
>
>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:20 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "There's a nap for that."
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing 
>>> AI at reading mail. I love it too.
>>>
>>>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI.
>>>> It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI 
>>>> feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and 
>>>> packaging and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to 
>>>> read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash 
>>>> or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page 
>>>> of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can take 
>>>> a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it 
>>>> high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. 
>>>> All of that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere 
>>>> else I might choose to do so for future reference. But anyway…  In the San 
>>>> Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I 
>>>> turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s 
>>>> inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes 
>>>> and put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the 
>>>> phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be 
>>>> My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when 
>>>> I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said that the lighting was too 
>>>> poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That 
>>>> time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it 
>>>> was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to 
>>>> where the little red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite 
>>>> pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem 
>>>> like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another 
>>>> example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
>>>> For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things 
>>>> and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
>>>> Take care, y’all.
>>>> Tom
>>>>
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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

[Richard Turner]

Yes, Seeing AI was the first to recognize handwriting. At the time, it was truly revolutionary and they should get full credit for breaking the ground for handwriting recognition. And yes, most apps do recognize handwriting now. However, none have put the whole package together in such an easy and straight forward way as Be My Eyes. I keep trying all the other free, or free trial apps that offer AI descriptions, Be My Eyes is the easiest and often the best by quite a bit. At least in my opinion. Seeing AI is the best at immediate reading with the Short Text channel. I go to it first for most things I want to know what it says/is. But if I want more of a detailed description, I use Be My Eyes. Richard"There's a nap for that." Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 4, 2024, at 1:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







The Seeing AI app also has a handwriting channel and on the few occasions where I had a reason to use it, the result was quite good as well.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 10:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!


 
And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!

 


 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." 


Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl <stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com> wrote:






Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing AI at reading mail. I love it too.






On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, 
lang...@gmail.com wrote:





Hi all,
Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging and it works pretty
 darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can
 take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future
 reference. But anyway…
 
In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes and put
 Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said
 that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little
 red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
 
For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
Take care, y’all.
 
Tom
 
 
 
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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

[Richard Turner]

And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!Richard"There's a nap for that." Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing AI at reading mail. I love it too.On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:Hi all,Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future reference. But anyway…  In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes and put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS! For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things and I’ll let you all know how it goes.Take care, y’all. Tom    



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Re: Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled official one

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Mary. I had not heard of this. I decided rather than buy it and maybe be disappointed, I wrote the developer to ask about accessibility. There email is included in the description on the app store. I'll share anything I learn for those with Sonos equipment. Richard"There's a nap for that." Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 3, 2024, at 1:16 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I have not had any experience with this app, as I have no Sonos gear. However, for those of you who are still having a problem with the Sonos screwed up app that they still haven’t put completely right, maybe this one will be better. No idea how accessible it is or is not.MarySonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled official oneTechRadar - All the latest technology news




























If you're one of the Sonos users who doesn't like the updated app, there may be a solution: a third-party app called SonoPhone. 

The app has been out for some time – its version history on the Apple App Store goes back eight years and the YouTube promo clip embedded below is 10 years old – but it's being rediscovered by Sonos users such as "Cake Burner", who writes on Apple's iOS App Store that "after the dreadful launch of the new Sonos app... SonoPhone does what it says on the tin... it lacks a few of the admin functions [but] for actually playing your own music, managing queues and enjoying your hardware it is excellent." It's also proved a hit with multiple users of the Sonos subreddit.



Sonos has issued multiple updates to restore features removed from the app earlier this year, but even the most recent update is still missing some key features. This month's update is planned to deliver better playback settings, local library editing, improved Autoplay settings and improved Sub audio settings; a future update will add snooze alarms.








SonoPhone - YouTube 




 Watch On 





What you need to know about the SonosPhone app
If you're hoping to run SonoPhone on Android, unfortunately you're out of luck: it's an iOS-only app. And while it supports most music streamers it doesn't currently support Google Music or enable you to stream locally stored music from your phone. It doesn't do alarms, and it isn't designed to set up a new Sonos system.





What it does do rather well is operate as a controller for the best Sonos speakers. It's been designed to require as few taps as possible to access commonly used features, and while it's not going to win any awards for its looks – its interface is very dated – it's fast and effective. It's also compatible with tons of iPhones going back to the iPhone 4S and the 5th-gen iPod Touch.

Writing on HowToGeek.com, Sonos owner and SonoPhone user Tyler Hayes says that while he doesn't anticipate it being his main Sonos app forever "it's a great stop-gap measure right now"; Hayes "wouldn't be surprised if other burned Sonos customers do end up sticking with the SonoPhone app, or another third-party one, for as long as they can". He also suggests another option, Lyd, which adds Sonos controls to the Apple Watch.
SonoPhone is available from the App Store for $2.99.


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FW: Apple just launched a public demo of its '4M' AI model: Here's why it's a big deal | VentureBeat

[Richard Turner]

The article is below the link:

https://venturebeat.com/ai/apple-just-launched-a-public-demo-of-its-4m-ai-model-heres-why-its-a-big-deal/


Apple just launched a public demo of its ‘4M’ AI model: Here’s why it’s a big 
deal


  Michael Nuñez

Apple, in collaboration with the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Lausanne 
(EPFL), has released a   public 
demo of their  
 4M AI model 
on the Hugging Face Spaces platform. This launch comes seven months after the 
model was   initially open-sourced, and 
represents an important step in expanding access to sophisticated AI 
technology. The public demo allows a wider range of users to interact with and 
evaluate the capabilities of the 4M model firsthand.

The   4M (Massively Multimodal 
Masked Modeling) demo showcases a versatile AI model capable of processing and 
generating content across multiple modalities. Users can interact with the 
system to create images from text descriptions, perform complex object 
detection, and even manipulate 3D scenes using natural language inputs.

This release marks a significant departure from Apple’s traditionally secretive 
approach to research and development. By making 4M publicly accessible on a 
popular open-source AI platform, the company is not only demonstrating its AI 
capabilities but also courting developer interest and fostering an ecosystem 
around its technology.


Siri’s smart upgrade: Implications for Apple’s AI-powered future


The timing of this release is significant in the context of recent developments 
in the AI landscape. While companies like  

 Microsoft and  

 Google have been making headlines with their AI partnerships and offerings, 
Apple has been quietly but steadily advancing its own AI capabilities. The 4M 
demo showcases Apple’s ability to innovate in this critical tech domain, 
aligning with the company’s  

 recent market performance.

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Since May 1st, Apple’s shares have seen a remarkable 24% increase, adding over 
$600 billion in market value. This surge has positioned Apple as one of the top 
performers in the tech sector, second only to Nvidia in terms of value 
increase. The market’s response suggests that Apple is now being viewed as an “ 
 AI stock,” a 
perception reinforced by its  
 recent 
partnership announcement with OpenAI.

What sets 4M apart is its   unified 
architecture for diverse modalities. This approach could lead to more coherent 
and versatile AI applications across Apple’s ecosystem. Imagine Siri 
understanding and responding to complex multi-part queries involving text, 
images, and spatial information, or Final Cut Pro automatically generating and 
editing video content based on natural language instructions.

However, the release of 4M also raises important questions about data practices 
and AI ethics. Apple has long positioned itself as a champion of user privacy, 
a stance that could be challenging to maintain given the data-intensive nature 
of advanced AI models. The company will need to navigate this carefully to 
maintain user trust while pushing the boundaries of AI capabilities.


>From iPhones to Vision Pro: Apple’s AI revolution unfolds


This   public demo release of 4M 
is particularly intriguing when considered alongside Apple’s recent AI strategy 
unveiled at WWDC. While  

 Apple Intelligence focuses on personalized, on-device AI experiences across 
iPhones, Macs, and the Vision Pro headset, 4M hints at the company’s long-term 
AI ambitions. The model’s ability to manipulate 3D scenes based on natural 
language inputs could have exciting implications for future iterations of the 
Vision Pro and Apple’s augmented reality efforts.

The timing of the 4M demo launch, 

RE: Suno AI, the app to create songs and music is now available on appstore.

[Richard Turner]

Leo had the only link available in his original message.

It apparently is only in the United States app store perhaps?

Here is the link to that one:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/suno-make-and-explore-music/id6480136315?utm_source=Klaviyo
 
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/suno-make-and-explore-music/id6480136315?utm_source=Klaviyo_medium=campaign_campaign=iOS+launch1>
 _medium=campaign_campaign=iOS+launch1

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
Marzec
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2024 9:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Suno AI, the app to create songs and music is now available on 
appstore.

 

I can’t see it on my App Store. Is there any link?

Sent from my iPhone





On 2 Jul 2024, at 4:52 PM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Neither is it available in the Mexico App Store!  Hopefully they’ll expand to 
other App Stores soon.

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel





El 2 jul 2024, a la(s) 8:01 a.m., Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > escribió:



Here is the description from the app store which includes the in-app purchase 
info.

Description

Make and explore music with Suno.






Whether you're a shower singer or a charting artist, we break barriers between 
you and the song you dream of making. No instrument needed, just imagination.






—






Begin your musical journey with 50 free credits per day on the Basic Plan, or 
select from the following subscription options to make more music:






• 1 month Pro Plan - $10/month, billed monthly

• 1 month Premier Plan - $30/month, billed monthly

• 1 year Pro Plan - $96/year (20% off monthly), billed annually

• 1 year Premier Plan - $289/year (20% off monthly), billed annually






• Your subscription will be charged to your Apple Account at confirmation of 
purchase and will automatically renew (at the duration selected) unless 
auto-renew is turned off at least 24 hours before the end of the current period.






• Your current subscription may not be canceled during the active subscription 
period; however, you can manage your subscription and/or turn off auto-renewal 
by visiting your Apple Account Settings after purchase.






—






TERMS & CONDITIONS






• Apple’s Standard End-User License Agreement: 
https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/dev/stdeula/

• Our Privacy Policy: https://suno.com/privacy

• Our Terms of Service: https://suno.com/terms

more

What’s New

Version History

Jul 2, 2024 

Version 1.0.3

Bug fixes and performance improvements

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
leobado1...@gmail.com <mailto:leobado1...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2024 6:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Suno AI, the app to create songs and music is now available on 
appstore.

 

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/suno-make-and-explore-music/id6480136315?utm_source=Klaviyo
 
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/suno-make-and-explore-music/id6480136315?utm_source=Klaviyo_medium=campaign_campaign=iOS+launch1&_kx=tkAsTG9Ti6wXInVgGoIu1eiFa_2i3Ai5Mo3xta5Qi-w.VfBHgX>
 
_medium=campaign_campaign=iOS+launch1&_kx=tkAsTG9Ti6wXInVgGoIu1eiFa_2i3Ai5Mo3xta5Qi-w.VfBHgX

 

Note: I haven’t been able to test accessibility because it is not available yet 
for my region.

 

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

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RE: Suno AI, the app to create songs and music is now available on appstore.

[Richard Turner]

Here is the description from the app store which includes the in-app purchase 
info.

Description

Make and explore music with Suno.





Whether you're a shower singer or a charting artist, we break barriers between 
you and the song you dream of making. No instrument needed, just imagination.





—





Begin your musical journey with 50 free credits per day on the Basic Plan, or 
select from the following subscription options to make more music:





• 1 month Pro Plan - $10/month, billed monthly

• 1 month Premier Plan - $30/month, billed monthly

• 1 year Pro Plan - $96/year (20% off monthly), billed annually

• 1 year Premier Plan - $289/year (20% off monthly), billed annually





• Your subscription will be charged to your Apple Account at confirmation of 
purchase and will automatically renew (at the duration selected) unless 
auto-renew is turned off at least 24 hours before the end of the current period.





• Your current subscription may not be canceled during the active subscription 
period; however, you can manage your subscription and/or turn off auto-renewal 
by visiting your Apple Account Settings after purchase.





—





TERMS & CONDITIONS





• Apple’s Standard End-User License Agreement: 
https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/dev/stdeula/

• Our Privacy Policy: https://suno.com/privacy

• Our Terms of Service: https://suno.com/terms

more

What’s New

Version History

Jul 2, 2024 

Version 1.0.3

Bug fixes and performance improvements

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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leobado1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2024 6:56 AM
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Subject: Suno AI, the app to create songs and music is now available on 
appstore.

 

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/suno-make-and-explore-music/id6480136315?utm_source=Klaviyo
 

 
_medium=campaign_campaign=iOS+launch1&_kx=tkAsTG9Ti6wXInVgGoIu1eiFa_2i3Ai5Mo3xta5Qi-w.VfBHgX

 

Note: I haven’t been able to test accessibility because it is not available yet 
for my region.

 

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

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RE: Decluttering the YouTube app on an iPad

[Richard Turner]

Well, I had never seen the issue you were having until I tapped on that button, 
so I think it will stay put.
I do not find any way to unsubscribe more than one at a time.

Good luck, 

Richard, USA
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2024 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Decluttering the YouTube app on an iPad

Thanks, Richard. I believe that did the job. I hope it sticks from opening to 
closing the app. I don’t know why I never tried that button. I guess I just 
either didn’t see it that often or didn’t know what it was relevant to or 
whatever. I also have way too many subscriptions. I wish there were a way to 
bulk delete them. They don’t make it easy unless I’m missing something else.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2024, at 9:14 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> I also have the Mini 6.
> I just logged in to my account on Youtube on it.
> After flicking right from the Your Account button, there was a thing that 
> said featured channels, expand panel. If it says Collapse panel, you want to 
> collapse it so it shows expand panel.
> What I found is if I continued flicking right when it says expand panel, then 
> I get through all of my subscriptions.
> If it says Collapse panel, I don't get all my subscriptions before it has 
> another featured item that is Shorts.  I don't see Shorts if Expand Panel is 
> showing.
> 
> I hope that makes sense.  I'm about done in for the evening.
> 
> Later,
> 
> Richard, USA
> "INTROVERTS UNITE ...
> SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
> -- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 5:43 PM
> To: VIPhone via 
> Subject: Decluttering the YouTube app on an iPad
> 
> I have an iPad mini. I also have an iPhone. On the iPhone app, it is 
> reasonable to navigate on the YouTube app and actually find things you want. 
> On the iPad, it’s full of crap. Or even if it isn’t crap, it’s not what I 
> want right now When I go to subscriptions, I want a list of the things I’m 
> subscribed to, not a bunch of other stuff that’s not relevant. That’s not 
> happening for me on my iPad mini. Is there something I can do to simplify the 
> YouTube screen on an iPad?  For starters, I want to get rid of shorts. I 
> never want to see them again. I don’t want suggestions from Google. I just 
> want to see what I have subscribed to when I go to the subscriptions tab. Is 
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RE: Decluttering the YouTube app on an iPad

[Richard Turner]

Hi Mary,
I also have the Mini 6.
I just logged in to my account on Youtube on it.
After flicking right from the Your Account button, there was a thing that said 
featured channels, expand panel. If it says Collapse panel, you want to 
collapse it so it shows expand panel.
What I found is if I continued flicking right when it says expand panel, then I 
get through all of my subscriptions.
If it says Collapse panel, I don't get all my subscriptions before it has 
another featured item that is Shorts.  I don't see Shorts if Expand Panel is 
showing.

I hope that makes sense.  I'm about done in for the evening.

Later,

Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
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Otten
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 5:43 PM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: Decluttering the YouTube app on an iPad

I have an iPad mini. I also have an iPhone. On the iPhone app, it is reasonable 
to navigate on the YouTube app and actually find things you want. On the iPad, 
it’s full of crap. Or even if it isn’t crap, it’s not what I want right now 
When I go to subscriptions, I want a list of the things I’m subscribed to, not 
a bunch of other stuff that’s not relevant. That’s not happening for me on my 
iPad mini. Is there something I can do to simplify the YouTube screen on an 
iPad?  For starters, I want to get rid of shorts. I never want to see them 
again. I don’t want suggestions from Google. I just want to see what I have 
subscribed to when I go to the subscriptions tab. Is that too much to ask of 
Google ?
Mary

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Re: Adding Text Selection to Rotor

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It will only show up if you are somewhere you can select and then copy text. Go to a web site and try it. Richard"There's a nap for that." Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 30, 2024, at 2:13 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:Hello, I have an IPhone SE & have the latest version 17 of IOS.  I have text selection on under voice over / rotor but it does not show up when I go through the rotor.  I tried unselecting it & selecting it again with no luck.  I do get something in rotor called actions.  It says actions activate.  When I select that nothing happens.   So what am I doing wrong?  And what is actions in the rotor? Thanks,Sherry WElls



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RE: Keyboard Commands

[Richard Turner]

I just added the below to my word document for iOS keyboard commands on my web 
site:


iPad Keyboard Commands 


Here are some iPad keyboard commands from Apple that I just found. Published 
Date: October 13, 2023

*note, on a Windows keyboard, command is the alt key.

• Command+Space: Open search.

 

• Command+Left/Right: Switch to the previous or next app.

 

To see a list of shortcuts that you can use with an app, press and hold the 
Command ? key when you use the app or on the Home Screen.

* I am not finding any real equivalent to the Globe key on a non-Apple keyboard.

 

• Command-H: Go to the Home Screen.

 

• Command-Space bar: Show or hide the Search field.

 

• Command-Tab: Switch to the next most recently used app among your open apps.

 

• Command-Shift-3: Take a screenshot.

 

• Command-Shift-4: Take a screenshot and immediately open Markup to view or 
edit it.

 

• Command-Option-D: Show or hide the Dock.  * I could not get this to work on 
my Logitech Ergonomic keyboard that is supposed to be for Windows or iOS/Mac.

 

* I've not tried the following, but if you really need to work on customized 
keyboard commands, it may be worth a try with VoiceOver.  These commands are 
not VoiceOver specific.


Customize keyboard shortcuts


Open Settings, then tap Accessibility.

Tap Keyboards.

Tap Full Keyboard Access and turn it on.

Tap Commands.

Tap a command, then press a custom key combination to assign to it.

Tap Done.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2024 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Keyboard Commands

 

Hey Richard and others I have one quick thing I would like to say and that is 
if I got the Apple Magic Keyboard with my iPad or for my iPad it seems like all 
the keys on the keyboard should work with my iPad I guess if not, maybe that 
something I have to take up with Apple Accessibility.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:17 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Michael and others,

Forget what I said.

The FN key is not the same as the globe key from my quick testing on my iPad.

None of the commands specifically for the iPad work for me using the FN key.

One source from a few years ago talked about modifying the key on a non Apple 
keyboard, but that setting was not where it said it would be, so I don’t know.

Some commands using FN that say FN work fine.

But Apple must have created a whole new Key that is unique to their keyboards.  
Typical.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2024 3:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Keyboard Commands

 

 

I got a hold of an apple Magic Keyboard for the iPad I inherited from my 
deceased sister. So I guess where the function key would be on a regular 
keyboard it would be the globe key on the Apple Magic Keyboard? I have the iPad 
that happens to have the folio case on yet. I just wanted to have a Bluetooth 
keyboard to work with it and I ended up getting the Apple Magic Keyboard 
because that was the one that was being sold while I was at the time. 

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jun 28, 2024, at 5:40 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



The keyboard commands are mostly the same no matter the iOS device.

I need to find the couple unique to iPads due to the split-view things you can 
do with having two apps open side by side, which I thought were in the list on 
my web site, but I’m not finding them.

If you find instructions that talk about the Globe key, as far as I can tell, 
that is the FN key on a regular keyboard, but Apple gave it a globe icon on 
their “magic” keyboards…

.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Joe 
Orozco
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2024 3:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Keyboard Commands

 

I’m curious about keyboard shortcut keys on iOS. I read a post somewhere on 
AppleVis where the person was talking about using things like Command + N to 
send a new message on her iPad Pro using a Magic keyboard. These keyboard 
shortcut keys, are they a function of the iPad Pro, or the Magic keyboard, or 
are t

RE: Keyboard Commands

[Richard Turner]

Michael and others,

Forget what I said.

The FN key is not the same as the globe key from my quick testing on my iPad.

None of the commands specifically for the iPad work for me using the FN key.

One source from a few years ago talked about modifying the key on a non Apple 
keyboard, but that setting was not where it said it would be, so I don’t know.

Some commands using FN that say FN work fine.

But Apple must have created a whole new Key that is unique to their keyboards.  
Typical.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2024 3:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Keyboard Commands

 

 

I got a hold of an apple Magic Keyboard for the iPad I inherited from my 
deceased sister. So I guess where the function key would be on a regular 
keyboard it would be the globe key on the Apple Magic Keyboard? I have the iPad 
that happens to have the folio case on yet. I just wanted to have a Bluetooth 
keyboard to work with it and I ended up getting the Apple Magic Keyboard 
because that was the one that was being sold while I was at the time. 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 28, 2024, at 5:40 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



The keyboard commands are mostly the same no matter the iOS device.

I need to find the couple unique to iPads due to the split-view things you can 
do with having two apps open side by side, which I thought were in the list on 
my web site, but I’m not finding them.

If you find instructions that talk about the Globe key, as far as I can tell, 
that is the FN key on a regular keyboard, but Apple gave it a globe icon on 
their “magic” keyboards…

.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Joe 
Orozco
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2024 3:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Keyboard Commands

 

I’m curious about keyboard shortcut keys on iOS. I read a post somewhere on 
AppleVis where the person was talking about using things like Command + N to 
send a new message on her iPad Pro using a Magic keyboard. These keyboard 
shortcut keys, are they a function of the iPad Pro, or the Magic keyboard, or 
are they commands one can use across iOS? I’m really interested in using this 
sort of functionality with my iPhone and Bluetooth keyboard, but I’ve not found 
anything outside of the standard Voiceover keyboard commands.

 

Thank you kindly for any tips,

 

Joe 

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RE: Setting Indoor Points of Interest

[Richard Turner]

Yes, that was it.  Clue.  The name still does not make sense to me because most 
of the world knows Clue as a card game, .

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Clement
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2024 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Setting Indoor Points of Interest

 

I believe the app Richard is talking about is called "CLEW".  Essentually you 
walk somewhere indoors holding the iphone in front of you. When you reach your 
destination, the app creates a set of verbal directions you can use to retrace 
the path you just walked.  As best I know, it is a free app. 

 

Dave Clement

Wnnipeg MB


On Jun 28, 2024, at 5:52 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I would check with the folks at GoodMaps about that.  I thought their markers 
were for bluetooth beacons…

 

I’m blanking right now on the app that kind of does what you are talking about, 
but it was for creating a path within a building from point a to point b.

It used the camera.

Someone else may remember its name, or you could try searching the app store 
for indoor navigation.

 

Good luck,

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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Subject: Setting Indoor Points of Interest

 

Are there any apps that allow us to set markers indoors? I believe there is an 
indoor version of GoodMaps that potentially does indoor travel, but are we able 
to set our own points of interest on this or another app?

 

Thanks for any tips,

 

Joe 

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RE: Setting Indoor Points of Interest

[Richard Turner]

I would check with the folks at GoodMaps about that.  I thought their markers 
were for bluetooth beacons…

 

I’m blanking right now on the app that kind of does what you are talking about, 
but it was for creating a path within a building from point a to point b.

It used the camera.

Someone else may remember its name, or you could try searching the app store 
for indoor navigation.

 

Good luck,

 

Richard, USA

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SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joe 
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Sent: Friday, June 28, 2024 3:41 PM
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Subject: Setting Indoor Points of Interest

 

Are there any apps that allow us to set markers indoors? I believe there is an 
indoor version of GoodMaps that potentially does indoor travel, but are we able 
to set our own points of interest on this or another app?

 

Thanks for any tips,

 

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RE: Keyboard Commands

[Richard Turner]

The keyboard commands are mostly the same no matter the iOS device.

I need to find the couple unique to iPads due to the split-view things you can 
do with having two apps open side by side, which I thought were in the list on 
my web site, but I’m not finding them.

If you find instructions that talk about the Globe key, as far as I can tell, 
that is the FN key on a regular keyboard, but Apple gave it a globe icon on 
their “magic” keyboards…

.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joe 
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Sent: Friday, June 28, 2024 3:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Keyboard Commands

 

I’m curious about keyboard shortcut keys on iOS. I read a post somewhere on 
AppleVis where the person was talking about using things like Command + N to 
send a new message on her iPad Pro using a Magic keyboard. These keyboard 
shortcut keys, are they a function of the iPad Pro, or the Magic keyboard, or 
are they commands one can use across iOS? I’m really interested in using this 
sort of functionality with my iPhone and Bluetooth keyboard, but I’ve not found 
anything outside of the standard Voiceover keyboard commands.

 

Thank you kindly for any tips,

 

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Re: Switched carriers, and got a new number. But can't get new number to show in my iMessages.

[Richard Turner]

Do you have a contact for yourself so Siri knows who you are? whether you use 
Siri or not, edit your contact if you have it, or create one with the new 
number. You might also check your information under settings, at the top where 
your name is, open that, and make sure your information is correct. 


Richard
"There's a nap for that." 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2024, at 6:11 PM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone!
> 
> I wasn't quite sure how to make my subject line. But I think it is obvious 
> what my problem is.
> So today, I switched phone carriers. And I got a new phone number. I have the 
> same iPhone that I had on my old carrier. I basically switched from T-Mobile, 
> to spectrum. The set up went smoothly with the new phone. I used my iPhone 
> from my other carrier, and Did an iCloud back up. So I hold the phones close 
> together, and did all of that. Everything went very well! I also activated my 
> new eSIM, on my new phone, with a new phone number. I also turned off 
> iMessages on my old iPhone.
> 
> However, all of my old messaging threads still seem to be there. Which this 
> is fine. I am happy about that. But when I send iMessages to people, they are 
> seeing my old phone number.
> Not the new phone number, even though that is where the messages are being 
> sent through.
> How do I fix this? I'm missing something.
> 
> Can anyone help me please? I would greatly appreciate it.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Terri
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RE: A question for Bluetooth users

[Richard Turner]

OK, thanks to Cris Ali for pointing out a couple things I missed on my list of 
gestures and keyboard commands.

They are updated now.

They are on the main page of my web site.

https://www.turner42.com

 

I don’t have time right now, but I need to add info about the unique iPad 
commands.

I know some have to do with the split screen things but that will be another 
day.

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 12:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A question for Bluetooth users

 

There might be a slight variation between the Mac and iPhone.  Ipad commands 
are pretty much the same as on the iPhone except there are a couple extra for 
things that are unique to the iPad.

I will have to go through my list to find that spot where I give the 
differences.

But, note, that the keyboard commands referred to at the link in this message 
are for the Apple brand keyboards and ones with the FN key.

For example, the screen curtain on and off is shown as:

VO-Fn-Hyphen (or VO-Globe key-Hyphen, depending on your keyboard)

Well, the Globe key as far as I know is only on Apple brand keyboards.

My logitech keyboard doesn’t have that.

But it does have an FN key in an awkward place but VO+FN+f11 does toggle screen 
curtain.

I had had issues before, but it is working now.  I need to update my list.

Also, all keyboard commands can be customized if you don’t like the default 
ones.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Keith Kramlinger
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

 

Thank you very much for these.

This is probably a very silly question. Do these keyboard commands for 
voiceover work for Bluetooth keyboards connected to an iPhone, a Mac, or both?

Thanks in advance. Keith

 

 

On Jun 26, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Robert Doc Wright mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Voiceover iPhone keyboard commands

 

http://www.wrighthere.net/Voiceover_iPhone_keyboard_commands.txt

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:33 AM

Subject: RE: A question for Bluetooth users

 

That is somewhat correct, there is no version of Whatsapp for the iPad "yet", 
but it is in Beta, see the below article:

 

iPad users finally get a dedicated WhatsApp application; here's how to do it 
<https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/ipad-users-finally-get-a-dedicated-whatsapp-application-heres-how-to-do-it/articleshow/103842898.cms?from=mdr>
 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

 

No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it using a 
browser like Safari.

Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

 

> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland < <mailto:eila...@gmail.com> 
> eila...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout 
> might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a 
> larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use 
> the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp on 
> the iPhone.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com < 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 

> Cris Ali

> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM

> To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

> 

> Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.

> I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can 
> be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using 
> the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats 
> very confusing.

> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

> 

>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland < <mailto:eila...@gmail.

RE: A question for Bluetooth users

[Richard Turner]

There might be a slight variation between the Mac and iPhone.  Ipad commands 
are pretty much the same as on the iPhone except there are a couple extra for 
things that are unique to the iPad.

I will have to go through my list to find that spot where I give the 
differences.

But, note, that the keyboard commands referred to at the link in this message 
are for the Apple brand keyboards and ones with the FN key.

For example, the screen curtain on and off is shown as:

VO-Fn-Hyphen (or VO-Globe key-Hyphen, depending on your keyboard)

Well, the Globe key as far as I know is only on Apple brand keyboards.

My logitech keyboard doesn’t have that.

But it does have an FN key in an awkward place but VO+FN+f11 does toggle screen 
curtain.

I had had issues before, but it is working now.  I need to update my list.

Also, all keyboard commands can be customized if you don’t like the default 
ones.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Keith 
Kramlinger
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

 

Thank you very much for these.

This is probably a very silly question. Do these keyboard commands for 
voiceover work for Bluetooth keyboards connected to an iPhone, a Mac, or both?

Thanks in advance. Keith

 





On Jun 26, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Robert Doc Wright mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Voiceover iPhone keyboard commands

 

http://www.wrighthere.net/Voiceover_iPhone_keyboard_commands.txt

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:33 AM

Subject: RE: A question for Bluetooth users

 

That is somewhat correct, there is no version of Whatsapp for the iPad "yet", 
but it is in Beta, see the below article:

 

iPad users finally get a dedicated WhatsApp application; here's how to do it 

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

 

No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it using a 
browser like Safari.

Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

 

> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland <  
> eila...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout 
> might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a 
> larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use 
> the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp on 
> the iPhone.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From:   viphone@googlegroups.com < 
>  viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 

> Cris Ali

> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM

> To:   viphone@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

> 

> Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.

> I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can 
> be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using 
> the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats 
> very confusing.

> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

> 

>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland <  
>> eila...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> 

>> Hi Cris,

>> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. I 
>> have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been fine. 
>> Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, I use 
>> it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an iPad 
>> since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen real 
>> estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks so 
>> that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming in 
>> and out.

>> 

>> -Original Message-

>> From:   viphone@googlegroups.com < 
>>  viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 

>> Of Cris Ali

>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM

>> To:   viphone@googlegroups.com

>> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

>> 

>> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth 

RE: Sonos update 80.03.07 as of June 24

[Richard Turner]

Hi Keith,

I have my doubts you will be able to use the old app if you update the 
firmware.  It kind of worked when I first did the Sonos app update on my iPad 
Mini 6.  After updating the firmware, I got a message on the old app on the 
iPhone that I needed to update.  I ignored that message and it worked OK.

But, I cannot say much more since I accidentally updated the iPhone app when 
the next Sonos update came out, so now I’m stuck with the updated version on 
both devices.

 

So, I wouldn’t update the firmware until you are ready to update the app too.

Maybe someone else knows more that will chime in.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Keith 
Kramlinger
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sonos update 80.03.07 as of June 24

 

Hi Richard,

Thanks very much for this. It is most helpful.

I am still on the old Sonos app and have not updated the firmware. On my 
iPhone, I think I will stay using the old Sonos app, but I am open to 
experimenting with the new Sonos app on an older iPhone that I have. Do you 
think it is necessary or safe to use a manual update of the new Sonos firmware 
to continue using the old Sonos app? If I recall, you had several devices and 
did not update one of them so you have some experience possibly with this 
approach. I do recall that you did update your firmware as well.

 

This is indeed unfortunate that Sonos has taken this route before making sure 
it is fully functional. I am sure they will hear from many of us on an ongoing 
basis about this.

I will be listening to your demo several more times before attempting to play 
with the new app.

Thanks very much. Keith 





On Jun 24, 2024, at 12:49 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Hi there,

I did a very rough demo of today's update from Sonos and have put the 9 minute 
or so recording on my web site on the Demos and Walk-Throughs page.  Here is 
the direct link to the demo.  It isn’t great.  

https://www.turner42.com/Sonos-June-24-2024-update.mp3

The demo page is at:

https://www.turner42.com/DEMOS.html

 

HTH,

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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RE: Navigation App Providing Virtual Explore

[Richard Turner]

I use Google Maps for this.
I like google maps since it is fairly easy to check your route whether you use 
the preview route or start it for real.
But, the idea of previewing the route is something I  stumbled on recently when 
I just tried it to see what would happen.
For example, I am in Portland, Oregon.
I write the following in the Quiry edit box at the top of the Google Maps app:
>From 430 Willamette Dr. Eugene Oregon to Shakespeare theater in Ashland Oregon
Then, double tap the search button in the lower right.

Start back near the top and you will find the various modes of transportation, 
for me Driving is selected, but you could select walking, transit, etc.
A little above the bottom of the screen is the Preview Route button.
Double tap that.
At the top will be the first step: Head southwest toward on Pimlico Dr toward 
treetop ln, adjustable.
when you hear adjustable you know you can simply flick up on that spot to get 
the next step.
You can walk through all the turns and such this way.
When done, double tap on the back button as many times as it takes to get back 
to the main screen.


HTH,

Richard, USA
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-Original Message-
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Stoodley
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 12:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Navigation App Providing Virtual Explore

by which I mean being able to set an beginning and end route in a location 
other than your current location. If you know of such a navigation app, please 
let me know. And if it's tricky, how to initiate the virtual explore feature. 
Thanks for all help.

Graham Stoodley

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RE: new and wondering about some phones

[Richard Turner]

Generally, this is focuses on the iPhone, the name stands for Visually Impared 
iPhone users.  Not that others do get mentioned.
There is a list called PhonesForTheBlind on groups.io that is more general.  
There are specific Android phone lists I believe and there may even be lists 
for the Blind Shell, I don't know as I only have the iPhone.

HTH,


Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
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-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2024 5:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: new and wondering about some phones

I have only been here a day so I don't know what type(s) of phones are 
discussed. Is it just for I phones or do you discuss other phones that 
visually-impaired or blind users are working with? I just wondered because if 
it's just Apple phones I won't ask about anything else. But if other phones 
have been discussed there are a couple I've read about that sound very 
accessible and I wanted to know about them.


Thank you. I do have IPhone questions as well, even though I don't own one, so 
I'll continue to gather info here regardless of whether other phones are 
discussed.


Joanne


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Re: Looking for an iPhone or IPad microphone

[Richard Turner]

It sounds like what you mean is a speaker that will become like an amplifier 
when you talk through your iPad, etc. 
There are some apps that do this. So you connect a bluetooth speaker to your 
iPad/iPhone and then the app turns your device into a microphone that 
broadcasts over the speaker. 
One called "Bluetooth Loud Speaker" does work, but I think there was a little 
delay. I have not used it in a long time. Its free, and the link is below. 
There may be others,  but this may get you on the right track: 
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bluetooth-loudspeaker/id1462186966


Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 


> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:07 AM, Jen .  wrote:
> Hi hope some of you experienced users can help me out with this.  Not sure 
> if this is a but are there microphones that you can just plug into your phone 
> or iPad that will allow you to be able to be heard by others without meaning 
> a stereo system or some big fancy set up.  
> Alternatively are there Bluetooth wireless microphones, which will do the 
> same thing not looking to spend a huge amount of money, but I am president of 
> a Lions Club. I have to run the meetings and don't have a loud voice, so want 
> to be sure everyone can hear me since some of our members have a hard time 
> hearing.
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
> Jen
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RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Richard Turner]

Pitch does not increase the sound, but perhaps one person hears a different 
pitch better than another pitch.  So, experimenting with the pitch could help.
I know people who can hear higher pitches better, and others who hear lower 
pitches better.
No harm in trying.



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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Voiceover?

How could pitch increase the sound of Voiceover, when I am on a call? 

-Original Message-
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Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:46 PM
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If its the tone that is giving you a problem then then go into voiceover speech 
and change the pitch.
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To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:51 PM
Subject: Question about Voiceover?


Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone call, say at 
the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you want to punch in the 
number for something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the number for 
the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time, and I've tried with Audio 
Ducking off and with it on, no help.

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RE: Screen recognition

[Richard Turner]

Well, that is true.

I guess toggling it on and off is what it will take.  If I want to search for 
something, I don’t want to have to flick a bunch, so when I want to do that, I 
will turn on screen Recognition.

Otherwise, I will leave it off, unless I find other spots where it works better.

 

I wish they have left the app alone.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition

 

Hi Richard,

 

I just tried the new Sonos app with screen recognition and for me I found it 
doesn't read half of the stuff that I get when I turn it off. For example, when 
I touch near the bottom where it showed me the currently playing room and what 
is/was playing there, without screen recognition I get from top to bottom 
(swiping right as I go):

 

Playing on Bedroom (that was the last place/speaker I played last night)

An Spailpin Fanach, Connie Dover

Output selector button

Play track position at 68% button

Mute bedroom off button

Bedroom volume 30%, adjustable

 

If I turn screen recognition on, I get this:

Bedroom, An Spailpin Fanach,  

Button

Play button

Next swipe I just hear a Voiceover click, but nothing is spoken

Adjustable

30

 

That's it, no output selector unless that unamed button is it, no indication of 
track position and the mute button is not even mentioned, as well as the 
"Bedroom volume, 30%, adjustable" slider which actually was just fixed in 
yesterday's update, is broken up in that "adjustable 30"

Sonos has certainly made a big mess of this update which is supposed to be so 
much better and which according to a Sonos group I joined on Facebook is hated 
universally by just about everybody, but they have certainly been fixing a lot 
of things, many features which were initially missing have been added back and 
Voiceover accessibility is greatly improved although I still think it's not as 
good as it was and the simple fact is that the app itself in my opinion really 
is a step back. Of course many people complained about the old app as well so 
in some ways these companies sometimes thik they should do something and in the 
end it's the wrong thing. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out 
and where this app is a year from now, but that is a different topic.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

 

How did screen recognition work with your pool control app? If not at all, then 
the app is completely inaccessible. 

The Sonos app, if you have any sonos speakers, works better with screen 
recognition. 

I have not found a lot of other apps where it helped. My Arboleaf app for my 
scale reads better with it on, but that is about it. 

Someone said the weather channel worked better with it. 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 

 

On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:21 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com <mailto:paekstr...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:



Hi , yes , I understood that.  I was just surprised that with screen 
recognition on in that app, it just looked normal to me, which was not what 
someone else was reporting.

 

Does anyone know under what circumstances screen recognition works well?  In 
the pool controller app we are trying to assess, without screen recognition, 
the app pretty much says nothing with voiceover.  It doesn’t announce the word 
“button” or anything.

 

Thanks,

Pam

 

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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition

 

I suggested you turn screen recognition on for the BARD Mobile App just to see 
what it looks like. It is nonsense to actually use if with the BARD Mobile App 
though. I thought it would just give you some ideas on how it works and what it 
might look like with an inaccessible app. I’d just forget I ever brought that 
up if I were you! 

 

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Re: Screen recognition

[Richard Turner]

How did screen recognition work with your pool control app? If not at all, then the app is completely inaccessible. The Sonos app, if you have any sonos speakers, works better with screen recognition. I have not found a lot of other apps where it helped. My Arboleaf app for my scale reads better with it on, but that is about it. Someone said the weather channel worked better with it. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:21 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:Hi , yes , I understood that.  I was just surprised that with screen recognition on in that app, it just looked normal to me, which was not what someone else was reporting. Does anyone know under what circumstances screen recognition works well?  In the pool controller app we are trying to assess, without screen recognition, the app pretty much says nothing with voiceover.  It doesn’t announce the word “button” or anything. Thanks,Pam From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Christopher ChaltainSent: Monday, June 17, 2024 6:38 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Screen recognition I suggested you turn screen recognition on for the BARD Mobile App just to see what it looks like. It is nonsense to actually use if with the BARD Mobile App though. I thought it would just give you some ideas on how it works and what it might look like with an inaccessible app. I’d just forget I ever brought that up if I were you!  --Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of paekstr...@gmail.comSent: Monday, June 17, 2024 5:27 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Screen recognition I am still trying to understand how this works.  It was mentioned in another thread that someone turned screen recognition on for the Bard app, specifically, just to see how it acted.  Someone else said they did this and got nonsense from the app.  I turned it on for Bard, and when I entered Bard it said screen recognition on, but acted normally.  I understand that this should not be turned on for apps that work with voiceover, but am just trying to understand what is going on. I was trying to experiment with it to see if it might work with the Omnilogic app for controlling our pool, which isn’t at all accessible once you have logged in.  Unfortunately, we are just at the stage where we are trying to determine if there is any way to make this app accessible, so the only way we can really try it is to have our pool service rep connect to someone else’s pool that uses this controller. Pam From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Kay MalmquistSent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:33 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Screen recognition OK, sounds great.  That is really what I thought it might be about, but glad you confirmed it.  Take care. Kay Malmquistkay.malmqu...@gmail.com “Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart.” – Jon Gordon  - Original Message - From: Richard Turner To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 3:16 PMSubject: RE: Screen recognition The Apply to Apps is so you can select some apps to automatically load screen recognition.  It is useful once you determine an app works best with Screen Recognition on.For me, I set Sonos to load screen recognition automatically.Also now, my Arboleaf app for my scale. I’d leave it alone until you determine an app needs Screen Recognition.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Kay MalmquistSent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:11 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Screen recognition No, but I just did.  There is also a button that says, apply to apps.  Do I tap on that one as well or leave it alone?Kay Malmquistkay.malmqu...@gmail.com “Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart.” – Jon Gordon  - Original Message - From: Richard Turner To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:47 PMSubject: RE: Screen recognition Did you try going into VoiceOver Settings, VoiceOver Recognition and turning Screen Recognition on there.Make sure it is saying selected in the rotor items section on Screen Recognition.Then, going into an app and check the rotor? Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or yo

RE: Mail Annoyance with Message Threads

[Richard Turner]

I often use Alan’s method. But I also use your method and don’t have the issue 
of focus jumping off message 1, etc.

However, the expand thread message then treats each email as a separate email 
so if you want to reply and not quote all the messages, the one you reply to 
will be the one quoted below yours…

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
lang...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 2:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mail Annoyance with Message Threads

 

Hi Alan,

You wrote:

 

I'm also using the native Mail app on the latest version of iOS but I'm not 
following your question. You mention a new thread which I'm assuming is one in 
your inbox containing multiple messages. 

 

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.

 

But you don't say anything about expanding the thread which is what I first do. 
After I expand the thread, I swipe down to the first message and let VoiceOver 
speak the message without actually opening the message which I only do if the 
message is too long to be spoken by my preview setting. 

 

 

I don’t have previews turned on. Also, I never expand the thread and swipe down 
to the first message as you described. I just double-tap on the thread and, it 
it’s a brand-new thread, I assume that I’ll land in message 1,  read it and go 
on from there. Perhaps I should start using your method. 

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Re: Mail Annoyance with Message Threads

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I've not seen that on my 13 pro. I'm on iOS 17.5.1. I know that was happening a few versions back for many people, but I'm not sure which iOS that was. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 17, 2024, at 2:06 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:Hi Tom, I'm also using the native Mail app on the latest version of iOS but I'm not following your question. You mention a new thread which I'm assuming is one in your inbox containing multiple messages. But you don't say anything about expanding the thread which is what I first do. After I expand the thread, I swipe down to the first message and let VoiceOver speak the message without actually opening the message which I only do if the message is too long to be spoken by my preview setting. This doesn't seem to be the method you're using based on the information you provided. Perhaps you can give more details. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 17, 2024, at 4:47 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:Hi,This situation has been around for years and I don’t know what to do about it. I’m running the native Mail app on an iPhone 12 Pro with the latest IOS.  I have Mail set up so that messages are threaded, which is particularly useful on high-traffic mailing lists when I want to temporarily ignore or trash a group of messages that don’t interest me. Though this doesn’t happen consistently, when I open a brand-new thread, VoiceOver will say that I’m in message 1 then immediately jump to message 2. I then have to use the rotor to get to Messages and swipe back to message 1. Does anybody else experience this and if so how did you solve it?Thanks in advance. Tom 



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RE: Screen recognition

[Richard Turner]

The Apply to Apps is so you can select some apps to automatically load screen 
recognition.  It is useful once you determine an app works best with Screen 
Recognition on.

For me, I set Sonos to load screen recognition automatically.

Also now, my Arboleaf app for my scale.

 

I’d leave it alone until you determine an app needs Screen Recognition.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

 

No, but I just did.  There is also a button that says, apply to apps.  Do I tap 
on that one as well or leave it alone?


Kay Malmquist
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– Jon Gordon

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:47 PM

Subject: RE: Screen recognition

 

Did you try going into VoiceOver Settings, VoiceOver Recognition and turning 
Screen Recognition on there.

Make sure it is saying selected in the rotor items section on Screen 
Recognition.

Then, going into an app and check the rotor?

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Penny Reeder
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

 

The same thing happened to me.

Penny

 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:46 AM Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi, As long as we are on the subject, I put screen recognition on the rotor, or 
at least I thought I had.  I went in to rotor and selected it but it does not 
appear in the rotor.  No matter where I am in the phone.  I can be on a web 
site and it is still not in the rotor.  Any ideas why?  Thanks much.


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RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

Sorry Charles and Christopher.  Sometimes my brain does funny things like 
jumping to a conclusion when I hear Charlton and think Charles, which is kind 
of silly when you stop and think about it.

 

O well.  The end result is the same,  it means I messed up but still know that 
I won’t be testing screen recognition where it isn’t needed …

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 11:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

It wasn’t  Charles but Christopher, and that’s me, that was spewing nonsense. 
Someone asked how screen recognition would help, and I suggested they turn it 
on while in the BARD Mobile App to see how it would work there. I did point out 
that the BARD Mobile App was accessible so screen recognition wouldn’t be 
needed. Sorry for the confusion. I’ll be smarter next time before tossing such 
a nonsensical idea out into the ether! 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Yes I know that.

But Charles was recommending to folks they turn on Screen Recognition in BARD 
to see how a sighted person sees the screen, which in my test, is nonsense at 
best.

So, I was responding to Charles.  No one should ever touch screen recognition 
unless they cannot access an app normally.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Richard, 

 

I suspect since BARD Mobile is already accessible with VoiceOver in its native 
form, those results you're getting are the very reason we recommend that screen 
recognition not be left on unless one is positive that it benefits the app in 
question. You can get very unreliable results with screen recognition turned on 
in an app not needing it. 

 

Alan 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 16, 2024, at 11:19 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.

In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.

If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 

RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

Yes, I do have Image description turned on.  If I have to turn that off to test 
Screen Recognition on an app that I know doesn’t need it, I won’t bother.  I 
was only checking that because Charles thought it was a good example for folks 
who have not used Screen Recognition.

Thanks,

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 8:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

If you hear something like " Image, a white letter on a gray background" that 
could also mean you have "Describe Images" turned on which is different from 
screen recognition.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 8:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.

In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.

If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Alan made me think of another point to make.

Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.

I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.

A very nice feature.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you. 

 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_

RE: Screen recognition

[Richard Turner]

Did you try going into VoiceOver Settings, VoiceOver Recognition and turning 
Screen Recognition on there.

Make sure it is saying selected in the rotor items section on Screen 
Recognition.

Then, going into an app and check the rotor?

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Penny 
Reeder
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

 

The same thing happened to me.

Penny

 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:46 AM Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi, As long as we are on the subject, I put screen recognition on the rotor, or 
at least I thought I had.  I went in to rotor and selected it but it does not 
appear in the rotor.  No matter where I am in the phone.  I can be on a web 
site and it is still not in the rotor.  Any ideas why?  Thanks much.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  

 

“Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart.” 
– Jon Gordon

 

 

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RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

Yes I know that.

But Charles was recommending to folks they turn on Screen Recognition in BARD 
to see how a sighted person sees the screen, which in my test, is nonsense at 
best.

So, I was responding to Charles.  No one should ever touch screen recognition 
unless they cannot access an app normally.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Richard, 

 

I suspect since BARD Mobile is already accessible with VoiceOver in its native 
form, those results you're getting are the very reason we recommend that screen 
recognition not be left on unless one is positive that it benefits the app in 
question. You can get very unreliable results with screen recognition turned on 
in an app not needing it. 

 

Alan 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 16, 2024, at 11:19 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.

In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.

If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Alan made me think of another point to make.

Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.

I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.

A very nice feature.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you. 

 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner mailto

Re: Voice stream reader says multiple books are not available, including ones I am in the middle of reading and those I have already downloaded. They used to say New next to them or just the name if t

[Richard Turner]

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Several things. 1. have you written supp...@voicedream.com
2. which version of Voice Dream Readerare you using? 
3. Which iOS version are you using?
I also suggest joining the Voice Dream list by sending an email to 
subscribevoicedr...@groups.io which is a group set up by the developers. They 
read emails on that list. 
This is sounding much like a sync issue others have experienced, but they were 
able to resolve it. 
 d
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 


> On Jun 16, 2024, at 5:11 PM, Beth G  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> As the subject line states, many books that I had on my phone through the app 
> state not available even though I am in the middle of some. Any suggestions? 
> If I uninstall the app and re-download, will I lose all the books I have 
> downloaded?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
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RE: This new iOS 18 voice-control feature could be even more useful than the new Siri from Tech Radar

[Richard Turner]

Keith,

I have not done the things in this article, but it looks to me like one that 
may help you learn to create and use shortcuts.  Read through it all before you 
follow any of the links as pretty much each link, like to audimated shortcuts, 
is actually explained further down the page.

 

https://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Shortcut-on-iPhone

 

 

I hope it helps.

 

Later

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Keith 
Kramlinger
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This new iOS 18 voice-control feature could be even more useful 
than the new Siri from Tech Radar

 

Richard,

Thanks very much for this. This is the first I have heard of it. I agree with 
you… I believe this will be most helpful to many of us.

 

The only problem is that, now I need to learn how to use Shortcuts. The 
problem? I have tried on at least several occasions to learn how to use 
shortcuts, but failed every time. Does anyone have any recommendations for 
tutorials or recommendations for how to begin learning shortcuts to a 
high-level?

Thanks in advance. Keith

 





On Jun 15, 2024, at 10:47 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

This new iOS 18 voice-control feature could be even more useful than the new 
Siri

Tech Radar TechRadar the technology experts

By Alex Blake

published 14 June 2024

 

No need to ask Siri for help

 

Apple’s iOS 18 update includes a new accessibility feature that’s perfect for 
anyone who wants easier access to their saved shortcuts. Called Vocal 
Shortcuts, it lets you set a custom word that, when spoken, will launch a 
specified shortcut. It’s perfect for power users and people with accessibility 
needs alike.

 

Apple first announced the feature back in May 2024. In a press release, the 
company said: “With Vocal Shortcuts, iPhone and iPad users can assign custom 
utterances that Siri can understand to launch shortcuts and complete complex 
tasks.” The company didn’t reveal anything else about the feature at the time, 
but now that iOS 18 is available as a developer beta, we can get a better idea 
of how it works.

 

For instance, you might want to launch a specific app simply by saying its 
name. Or you could use a more precise phrase (like “edit a photo”) to launch a 
set of actions that you’ve previously saved as a shortcut.

 

At the WWDC 2024 where Apple unveiled iOS 18, a lot of attention was spent on 
how Siri was getting a major revamp thanks to artificial intelligence. The 
company never mentioned Vocal Shortcuts, but it could turn out to be one of the 
best changes coming to Siri for a wide range of people.

 

Siri finds its voice

 

If this feature sounds strangely familiar to you, you’re not far off the mark. 
Before iOS 18, you were able to launch shortcuts using your voice, but this 
process involved more steps. You would have to first invoke Siri, then say the 
name of the shortcut you wanted to run. If your device was locked, Siri would 
ask you to unlock it first before the shortcut could be launched.

 

Now, none of that applies. You don’t need to say “Siri” or “Hey Siri” to use 
Vocal Shortcuts. As well as that, you can say a custom phrase instead of being 
limited to the name of the shortcut, while it even works when your device is 
locked (provided your shortcut doesn’t require your device to be unlocked, such 
as opening an app).

 

That makes it far more convenient to control your Apple product using just your 
voice. Whether you want a way to launch a shortcut when your iPhone is on the 
other side of the room, or you have accessibility needs that make using your 
voice the best way to manage an iPhone, iPad or Mac, Vocal Shortcuts will 
likely be a welcome addition to your device, especially in combination with the 
other accessibility tools coming in iOS 18.

 

Together with the wide-ranging AI features coming in iOS 18, it looks like Siri 
might finally be getting the overhaul it’s desperately needed for years. It’ll 
be fascinating to see if it’s enough to catch up with Apple’s rivals.

 

Alex Blake

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Freelance Contributor

Alex Blake has been fooling around with computers since the early 1990s, and 
since that time he's learned a thing or two about tech. No more than two 
things, though. That's all his brain can hold. As well as TechRadar, Alex 
writes for iMore, Digital Trends and Creative Bloq, among others. He was 
previously commissioning editor at MacFormat magazine. That means he mostly 
covers the world of Apple and its latest prod

RE: This new iOS 18 voice-control feature could be even more useful than the new Siri from Tech Radar

[Richard Turner]

The article stated you did not have to use Siri, but since I’m not testing the 
beta and this is a speculative article, it could end up being so, but Voice 
control in general is separate from Siri.  In fact, you don’t even have to have 
VoiceOver on to use Voice Control.  It is directed at people who cannot use the 
normal gestures on the screen nor a keyboard.

 

So, time will tell.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ronald 
van Rhijn
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This new iOS 18 voice-control feature could be even more useful 
than the new Siri from Tech Radar

 

I have read you still have to invoke Siri first.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone





Op 15 jun. 2024 om 17:47 heeft Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > het volgende geschreven:



This new iOS 18 voice-control feature could be even more useful than the new 
Siri

Tech Radar TechRadar the technology experts

By Alex Blake

published 14 June 2024

 

No need to ask Siri for help

 

Apple’s iOS 18 update includes a new accessibility feature that’s perfect for 
anyone who wants easier access to their saved shortcuts. Called Vocal 
Shortcuts, it lets you set a custom word that, when spoken, will launch a 
specified shortcut. It’s perfect for power users and people with accessibility 
needs alike.

 

Apple first announced the feature back in May 2024. In a press release, the 
company said: “With Vocal Shortcuts, iPhone and iPad users can assign custom 
utterances that Siri can understand to launch shortcuts and complete complex 
tasks.” The company didn’t reveal anything else about the feature at the time, 
but now that iOS 18 is available as a developer beta, we can get a better idea 
of how it works.

 

For instance, you might want to launch a specific app simply by saying its 
name. Or you could use a more precise phrase (like “edit a photo”) to launch a 
set of actions that you’ve previously saved as a shortcut.

 

At the WWDC 2024 where Apple unveiled iOS 18, a lot of attention was spent on 
how Siri was getting a major revamp thanks to artificial intelligence. The 
company never mentioned Vocal Shortcuts, but it could turn out to be one of the 
best changes coming to Siri for a wide range of people.

 

Siri finds its voice

 

If this feature sounds strangely familiar to you, you’re not far off the mark. 
Before iOS 18, you were able to launch shortcuts using your voice, but this 
process involved more steps. You would have to first invoke Siri, then say the 
name of the shortcut you wanted to run. If your device was locked, Siri would 
ask you to unlock it first before the shortcut could be launched.

 

Now, none of that applies. You don’t need to say “Siri” or “Hey Siri” to use 
Vocal Shortcuts. As well as that, you can say a custom phrase instead of being 
limited to the name of the shortcut, while it even works when your device is 
locked (provided your shortcut doesn’t require your device to be unlocked, such 
as opening an app).

 

That makes it far more convenient to control your Apple product using just your 
voice. Whether you want a way to launch a shortcut when your iPhone is on the 
other side of the room, or you have accessibility needs that make using your 
voice the best way to manage an iPhone, iPad or Mac, Vocal Shortcuts will 
likely be a welcome addition to your device, especially in combination with the 
other accessibility tools coming in iOS 18.

 

Together with the wide-ranging AI features coming in iOS 18, it looks like Siri 
might finally be getting the overhaul it’s desperately needed for years. It’ll 
be fascinating to see if it’s enough to catch up with Apple’s rivals.

 

Alex Blake

Social Links Navigation

Freelance Contributor

Alex Blake has been fooling around with computers since the early 1990s, and 
since that time he's learned a thing or two about tech. No more than two 
things, though. That's all his brain can hold. As well as TechRadar, Alex 
writes for iMore, Digital Trends and Creative Bloq, among others. He was 
previously commissioning editor at MacFormat magazine. That means he mostly 
covers the world of Apple and its latest products, but also Windows, computer 
peripherals, mobile apps, and much more beyond. When not writing, you can find 
him hiking the English countryside and gaming on his PC.

 

Original source:

https://www.techradar.com/phones/this-new-ios-18-voice-control-feature-could-be-even-more-useful-than-the-new-siri

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more th

RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.

In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.

If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Alan made me think of another point to make.

Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.

I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.

A very nice feature.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you. 

 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their 
app became very difficult to use after a recent update.

I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, 
Arboleaf.

It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The 
information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to 
flick to the next line, etc.

 

In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, 
it works great.

This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not 
reading well but leave it off for most apps.

 

HTH,

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tom 
Rash
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 4:47 AM
To: viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

I keep hearing that screen recognition is good for some things.  Can someone 
give an example where it does some good?  I’d like to 

RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

Alan made me think of another point to make.

Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.

I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.

A very nice feature.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you. 

 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their 
app became very difficult to use after a recent update.

I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, 
Arboleaf.

It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The 
information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to 
flick to the next line, etc.

 

In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, 
it works great.

This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not 
reading well but leave it off for most apps.

 

HTH,

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tom 
Rash
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 4:47 AM
To: viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

I keep hearing that screen recognition is good for some things.  Can someone 
give an example where it does some good?  I’d like to learn what it is supposed 
to do.  






On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello,

 

Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be 
able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. 
If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions 
would help.

 

Jenn

Jennie Facer 






On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis mailto:dlehn...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, I cannot find how to 
turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any 
suggestions will be much appreciated. I know screen recognition has addressed 
here before, but I am not remembering exactly what was said. Thanks for any 
assistance.

Dave Lehnis..

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RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their 
app became very difficult to use after a recent update.

I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, 
Arboleaf.

It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The 
information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to 
flick to the next line, etc.

 

In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, 
it works great.

This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not 
reading well but leave it off for most apps.

 

HTH,

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 4:47 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

I keep hearing that screen recognition is good for some things.  Can someone 
give an example where it does some good?  I’d like to learn what it is supposed 
to do.  





On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello,

 

Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be 
able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. 
If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions 
would help.

 

Jenn

Jennie Facer 





On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis mailto:dlehn...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, I cannot find how to 
turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any 
suggestions will be much appreciated. I know screen recognition has addressed 
here before, but I am not remembering exactly what was said. Thanks for any 
assistance.

Dave Lehnis..

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Re: Volume Buttons And Ring Mode

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I have the 13 Pro and with iOS 17 dot something it changed what is spoken when you mute or unmute the phone with the switch. Since the 15 replaced the switch with a button, are you sure you are not pressing the top most button? Or, is nothing playing when you press a volume control so it is telling you the current state? Just guessing since I have not touched the 15. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 15, 2024, at 6:10 PM, Edward Przybylek  wrote:Hi all, Over the last few days, my iPhone 15 Pro running the latest release of iOS has begun saying “ring mode” when I press either one of the volume buttons.  I have no idea what ccaused this problem nor do I know how to correct it.  As always, any help with this issue is greatly appreciated. Take care,Ed Przybylek 



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RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Richard Turner]

It means when a company plans for something they have produced to become out of 
date after a certain length of time.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

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mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 9:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

Hi Ritchard many thanks for answering my question what does planned 
obsolescence meen? From Mich. 

 

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Richard Turner
Sent: June 12, 2024 11:26 AM
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Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

Nope.

Apparently only the A17 chip will be able to take advantage of Apple 
Intelligence.  I believe yours has the A16 chip.

As Sieghard mentioned, with the 14 and 15 they give the non-pro models the 
previous phone’s chip.  So the 14 and 14 plus have the same chip as the 13 pro 
and pro max, the 14 pro and pro max had the newest chip, then the 15 and 15 
plus have the same A16 chip as the 14 pro and pro max, and the 15 pro and pro 
max got the new A17.

So, logically, Apple will give the 16 and 16 plus the A17 and the 16 pro and 
pro max the A18…

 

This is called by some, like me, planned obsolescence.  

Most companies practice this, so it isn’t just Apple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

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Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

Hi I just got a I phone 14 prow max so will this phone have apple intelligence? 
From Mich.

 

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Actually Apple Intelligence will only be available on phones with the A17 or 
newer processor which means the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max as well as 
probably all this year's iPhone 16 models.

Starting with the iPhone 14 series phones Apple differentiated the regular 
iPhone and iPhone Plus from the Pro and Pro Max by only giving the Pro phones 
the latest processor and the regular phones had the processor from the year 
before. Therefore, the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the same processor as the 
iPhone 13 series phones, the A15. Only the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max received 
the A16 Bionic processor in 2022. Then in 2023 when the iPhone 15/15 Plus and 
15 Pro and 15 Pro Max were released, the 15 and 15 Plus received the A16 Bionic 
from 2022 and the same as in iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max. Only the 15 Pro and Pro Max 
received the new A17 Bionic chip released last year and it is that chip which 
seems to be the minimum requirement for Apple Intelligence. This year the 
regular iPhone 16 and 16 Plus will get the A17 Bionic from last year and I 
assume that these phones will therefore meet the minimum requirements for Apple 
Intelligence. The iPhone 16 Pro and Pro Max if that is what they will be called 
will get the latest A18 chip.

I assume Apple will want as many people to have access to Apple Intelligence 
and I therefore don't think they would consider making it available only on Pro 
phones and nothing was said about it during the presentation either. My 2-year 
contract for my 13 Pro will be up I think in late November and I may just have 
to upgrade in order to get access to Apple Intelligence and all it can do and 
all the new Siri with Chat GPT integration can do. Normally I would have 
probably kept my iPhone 13 Pro for another year, but this all sounds just too 
cool and useful to pass it up.

 

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RE: Apple Music V Amazon Unlimited?

[Richard Turner]

They are both good.
I like both of them, but I think Apple Music may give you more higher quality  
music since it defaults to lossless but I suspect Amazon may be there now too.



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I have Amazon Unlimited, and wondered what the differences are between that and 
Apple Music?

Thanks in advance.


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This new iOS 18 voice-control feature could be even more useful than the new Siri from Tech Radar

[Richard Turner]

This new iOS 18 voice-control feature could be even more useful than the new
Siri

Tech Radar TechRadar the technology experts

By Alex Blake

published 14 June 2024

 

No need to ask Siri for help

 

Apple's iOS 18 update includes a new accessibility feature that's perfect
for anyone who wants easier access to their saved shortcuts. Called Vocal
Shortcuts, it lets you set a custom word that, when spoken, will launch a
specified shortcut. It's perfect for power users and people with
accessibility needs alike.

 

Apple first announced the feature back in May 2024. In a press release, the
company said: "With Vocal Shortcuts, iPhone and iPad users can assign custom
utterances that Siri can understand to launch shortcuts and complete complex
tasks." The company didn't reveal anything else about the feature at the
time, but now that iOS 18 is available as a developer beta, we can get a
better idea of how it works.

 

For instance, you might want to launch a specific app simply by saying its
name. Or you could use a more precise phrase (like "edit a photo") to launch
a set of actions that you've previously saved as a shortcut.

 

At the WWDC 2024 where Apple unveiled iOS 18, a lot of attention was spent
on how Siri was getting a major revamp thanks to artificial intelligence.
The company never mentioned Vocal Shortcuts, but it could turn out to be one
of the best changes coming to Siri for a wide range of people.

 

Siri finds its voice

 

If this feature sounds strangely familiar to you, you're not far off the
mark. Before iOS 18, you were able to launch shortcuts using your voice, but
this process involved more steps. You would have to first invoke Siri, then
say the name of the shortcut you wanted to run. If your device was locked,
Siri would ask you to unlock it first before the shortcut could be launched.

 

Now, none of that applies. You don't need to say "Siri" or "Hey Siri" to use
Vocal Shortcuts. As well as that, you can say a custom phrase instead of
being limited to the name of the shortcut, while it even works when your
device is locked (provided your shortcut doesn't require your device to be
unlocked, such as opening an app).

 

That makes it far more convenient to control your Apple product using just
your voice. Whether you want a way to launch a shortcut when your iPhone is
on the other side of the room, or you have accessibility needs that make
using your voice the best way to manage an iPhone, iPad or Mac, Vocal
Shortcuts will likely be a welcome addition to your device, especially in
combination with the other accessibility tools coming in iOS 18.

 

Together with the wide-ranging AI features coming in iOS 18, it looks like
Siri might finally be getting the overhaul it's desperately needed for
years. It'll be fascinating to see if it's enough to catch up with Apple's
rivals.

 

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computer peripherals, mobile apps, and much more beyond. When not writing,
you can find him hiking the English countryside and gaming on his PC.

 

Original source:

https://www.techradar.com/phones/this-new-ios-18-voice-control-feature-could
-be-even-more-useful-than-the-new-siri

 

Richard, USA

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RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

You do have to add Screen Recognition to the rotor.

Open Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor, Rotor actions.

Anything that says selected in their will be on the rotor, if VoiceOver doesn’t 
say selected, double tap and it will then say selected and show up in the rotor.

 

I do not think you have to first turn on screen recognition for it to show up 
in that Rotor Actions list.

 

Let me know if that works, or doesn’t.

 

 

 

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Lehnis
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Thank you for that. I do not find screen recognition in my rotor as I twisted. 
What I am hoping to do is find out how to edit my rotor. But under voiceover, I 
cannot find the rotor and the ways to edit it. Any further suggestions will be 
appreciated. Thanks for the help.

 

Dave.





On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello,

 

Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be 
able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. 
If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions 
would help.

 

Jenn

Jennie Facer 





On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis mailto:dlehn...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, I cannot find how to 
turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any 
suggestions will be much appreciated. I know screen recognition has addressed 
here before, but I am not remembering exactly what was said. Thanks for any 
assistance.

Dave Lehnis..

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Re: Apple Music: Getting An Accurate Count

[Richard Turner]

It seems to me, that you used to be able to scroll to the end of the list of artists, albums, or songs and get a number. Now, it shows the mini player instead of the total number. I had imported my 6 or 7 hundred CD recordings into iTunes about 10 years ago when I decided I didn't want to deal with the amount of space they took up. Since, I have purchased new stuff through Apple and only in the last couple of years dcided to subscribe to Apple music. Is I really do not have to buy anything more. But, I know Apple music subscriptions give you access to something like 70 or 80 million songs. Maybe more. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 14, 2024, at 3:26 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:Hi all,I Love, love, Love Apple Music and have had it since it was introduced way back when. Over the years I’ve amassed a huge library of music of all styles, including classic rock, classical, country, jazz, bluegrass R and all kinds of stuff.  My old CD player died years ago, so I got rid of nearly all my CD’s and went online to replace my collection. I was talking to a buddy of mine the other day and introduced him to Apple Music and he’s really diggin’t it too. it occurred  to me that I couldn’t give him an accurate count of the potentially hundreds or even thousands of albums that I think that I’ve put into my library over the years. So I got into it recently, sorted by artists, then by albums and by Songs. In Artists, I showed 100 screens worth of stuff, and when I sorted by Albums, I got 1, 057 screens. When I sorted by Songs I got 4, 868 screens. This Is on my iPhone 12 Pro running the latest version of IOS. Is there a way that I can get an accurate count of artists, albums and songs? I didn’t see a way to do that, but I think it would be really nice to get those counts.  Is there a way to do that without endlessly scrolling through the lists, which doesn’t give me what I want? Thanks for all of your suggestions. I appreciate it.  Tom    



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RE: Sonos’ new privacy policy implies the company now sells your data

[Richard Turner]

I just read through the page with the new policy.

I’m not a lawyer, but I am not sure it is that different than before, they are 
just being forced to be more up front with the fact that if you are using a 
third party service through or with your Sonos, they may have to share your 
information in order to make that happen.  If I authorize my Amazon Music 
account on Sonos, I would have expected some information sharing between Sonos 
and Amazon.

The same with Apple Music, TuneIn etc.

 

I for one, will not be losing any sleep over this.  That is until something 
goes wrong, 

 

I have too much money invested in their system to just drop them and spend a 
bunch more money for another system, which likely won’t have any better 
security.  Yes, we could have the entire house wired but we looked into that 
before deciding on Sonos.  It would cost as much or more than what we’ve have 
spent on Sonos products.

At this point, I can deal with the app as of the June 4th update; when I 
accidentally updated it.  I believe more updates are coming later this month 
that may improve the VoiceOver access even more.

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 9:00 AM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: Sonos’ new privacy policy implies the company now sells your data

 

 

Make of this what you will, but at the very least I agree with the article 
author who says that Sonos needs to clarify this change in their policy. If 
they really are going to sell your data, you need to know about it and make a 
decision about whether you want to keep using the product of a company which 
first did a really bad redesign and destroyed Accessibility, second maybe going 
to sell your data to whoever. Sonos’ new privacy policy implies the company now 
sells your data

9to5Mac  /  Ryan Christoffel


  

 

Sonos is probably wishing its only controversy was an app redesign 
 . Today the company is 
receiving a lot of heat for a revision to its privacy policy that introduced a 
major policy reversal with the removal of a single line.


New policy quietly introduces major change


In his latest YouTube video  
, Louis Rossmann brings attention to the recently revised Sonos privacy policy, 
highlighting a disturbing omission compared to the previous policy.

The previous privacy policy contained the important line, “Sonos does not and 
will not sell personal information about our customers.”

Here is the former privacy policy 

 :

Sonos does not and will not sell personal information about our customers. 
However, certain data practices described throughout this Privacy Statement may 
constitute a “sale” or “sharing” of data under California and/or other US state 
laws. See the below CA Addendum for more information applicable to CA 
residents. We want you to understand that information about our customers is an 
important part of our business. We only disclose your data as described in this 
Statement

And now, the updated policy 

 :

Certain data practices described throughout this Privacy Statement may 
constitute a “sale” or “sharing” of data under California and/or other US state 
laws. See the below CA Addendum for more information applicable to CA 
residents. We want you to understand that information about our customers is an 
important part of our business. We only disclose your data as described in this 
Statement


9to5Mac’s Take


Sonos has yet to comment on the policy change, but its users deserve an answer 
ASAP. If the company is, indeed, now selling its users’ personal information, 
that decision should be detailed with extreme clarity so customers can decide 
for themselves whether to continue using Sonos products. 



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Re: Dropbox problem between iPhone and computer.

[Richard Turner]

I do not have a solution, but I've noticed that it can take a long time for 
files to show up. 

Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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> On Jun 13, 2024, at 3:36 PM, Flor Lynch  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> I have the iOS (current up-to-date published version) of Dropbox, and the 
> Dropbox Desktop app for Windows.
> 
> Sometimes, when I wish to share a file with others, and drop my file into 
> their folder shared with me,  using my Desktop's Dropbox, it's not shared or 
> being seen by those others with whom the folders are shared. (I can ascertain 
> that this will be the case and is, if, as sometimes happens, the files aren't 
> being seen by me on my iPhone either, in the folders.)
> 
> The current solution I've found to this is to connect my iPhone to my PC, and 
> with a bit of navigating and what-not, getting both my Dropboxes to see each 
> other on-line.
> 
> 
> Has anyone else experienced this anomaly, and have you solved it without 
> recourse to uninstalling either the iOS version or the Windows Desktop 
> version of Dropbox?
> 
> 
> I have found Dropbox to be quite opaque, when trying to ferret out issues.
> 
> 
> Help appreciated.
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Re: Question about a website issue?

[Richard Turner]

Direct touch likely will do nothing helpful. 
Screen Recognition might work. You do not want it on all the time, so if you 
want to try it, add it to the rotor actions. Then you can turn the rotor to it 
and swipe up or down to enable it and see what happens, then toggle it off 
again. 


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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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> On Jun 13, 2024, at 2:14 PM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I have a problem with a website on my iPhone and wondered what your thoughts
> might
> be as to how to make things work or if it is a write-off.  It is for a 30
> day program on happiness, and I can not access the videos on it.  You can
> log in but when it comes to seeing the quick links menus, not happening.
> You can see a menu start and menu end after the quick links heading, but
> nothing more.  When I look at it on my computer I can see where it says day
> one, but definitely not on my iPhone.  I really don't know what direct touch
> or screen recognation is about so don't know if I should try either of
> those.  I would be happy to let someone check this out to see what your
> ideas might be.  If
> you have any thoughts or would like to try it out, email me.  Thanks much.
> I hope to hear from anyone.  Take care.
> 
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
> 
> "Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart."
> - Jon Gordon
> 
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RE: Questions regarding HBO Max, Hallmark Movies, and PBS

[Richard Turner]

Audio Description on the iPhone using the Prime app works fine.



Richard, USA
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I don’t know about the audio description threw prime, but I do know the app is 
most accessible on the Apple TV, phone is usable, and so is iPad, but Apple TV 
will give you the best experience.


> On Jun 12, 2024, at 12:29 AM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I currently dropped my cable package, as it was just getting way too 
> expensive.
> 
> However, in doing this I lost free access to HBO Max. As long as I had the 
> HBO channel, I got access to Max for free, through Spectrum.
> 
> 
> I have other Apps, such as Peacock, Prime video, and Paramount. I use my 
> iPhone to watch stuff. As well as my iPad, and my Samsung TV.
> 
> 
> So, my question is this.
> 
> What might be the easiest way to access Max? Where might the App be the most 
> accessible?
> 
> Also, if I purchase it using something like Amazon Prime, will I then have 
> access to all of the content with audio description?
> 
> This is very important to me, and what I want.
> 
> 
> Another couple of questions I have are as follows.
> 
> 
> What is the most easiest, and accessible way to watch Hallmark movies?
> 
> Is this even an option?
> 
> 
> And my last question for now is this.
> 
> 
> Is there a way to easily access PBS, and any of the audio described content 
> offered there?
> 
> From my understanding, audio described content can be hit, or miss.
> 
> Does anyone know if this is still the case?
> 
> 
> Any thoughts, or advice on any of these Apps, will be very much appreciated!
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
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RE: my SE3 not allowing me to get app updates

[Richard Turner]

I suggest it may be time to call Apple.
This makes less than no sense.



Richard, USA
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: my SE3 not allowing me to get app updates

I just did that and it didn't work.


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Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: my SE3 not allowing me to get app updates

Yep, I've been there too.
I go into settings, wi-Fi and toggle it off and back on.
When it reconnects, then I try again.  99% of the time, that resolves it.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: my SE3 not allowing me to get app updates

I was hooked to my wi-fi last I knew. The phone didn't say otherwise.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: my SE3 not allowing me to get app updates

Are you sure you are connected to the internet?

I don't download over cellular, so I have to be on Wi-Fi to check for, and get 
updates.

I use the triple tap on the app store icon, then flick right to updates and 
double tap.

Then, sometimes, have to do the three finger swipe down to refresh the screen.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: my SE3 not allowing me to get app updates

When I go to my account screen, I am unable to check for updates. When I get to 
the place where I should see my recent updates, all I get is the "sign out" 
button. I am asked to sign out but when I do and re-sign in, aI am back where I 
was. Any ideas. My wife's phone worked fine.


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RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Richard Turner]

Hopefully longer than the 14 pro and pro max.  They used to be good for at 
least 4 to 5 years.  And of course, they still are if you don't want the newest 
features ... o well.


Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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Parfitt
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

Quite right Richard, I wonder how long the shelf life of the 15 Pro Max will 
prove to be? 
Malcolm Parfitt

> On 12 Jun 2024, at 7:02 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> That is what " planned obsolescence" means.  Companies plan on a piece of 
> equipment or software to become obscolete so you have to replace it, or put 
> up with the reduced effectiveness...
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than 
> a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
> you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
> Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 10:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
> 
> It's a way to sell more phones too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
> 
> Nope.
> 
> Apparently only the A17 chip will be able to take advantage of Apple 
> Intelligence.  I believe yours has the A16 chip.
> 
> As Sieghard mentioned, with the 14 and 15 they give the non-pro models the 
> previous phone’s chip.  So the 14 and 14 plus have the same chip as the 13 
> pro and pro max, the 14 pro and pro max had the newest chip, then the 15 and 
> 15 plus have the same A16 chip as the 14 pro and pro max, and the 15 pro and 
> pro max got the new A17.
> 
> So, logically, Apple will give the 16 and 16 plus the A17 and the 16 pro and 
> pro max the A18…
> 
> 
> 
> This is called by some, like me, planned obsolescence.  
> 
> Most companies practice this, so it isn’t just Apple.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> 
> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than 
> a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
> you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
> Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
> 
> 
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com>
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 8:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
> 
> 
> 
> Hi I just got a I phone 14 prow max so will this phone have apple 
> intelligence? From Mich.
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: June 11, 2024 8:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
> 
> 
> 
> Actually Apple Intelligence will only be available on phones with the A17 or 
> newer processor which means the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max as well as 
> probably all this year's iPhone 16 models.
> 
> Starting with the iPhone 14 series phones Apple differentiated the regular 
> iPhone and iPhone Plus from the Pro and Pro Max by only giving the Pro phones 
> the latest processor and the regular phones had the processor from the year 
> before. Therefore, the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the same processor as the 
> iPhone 13 series phones, the A15. Only the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max received 
> the A16 Bionic processor in 2022. Then in 2023 when the iPhone 15/15 Plus and 
> 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max were released, the 15 and 15 Plus received the A16 
> Bionic from 2022 and the same as 

RE: my SE3 not allowing me to get app updates

[Richard Turner]

Yep, I've been there too.
I go into settings, wi-Fi and toggle it off and back on.
When it reconnects, then I try again.  99% of the time, that resolves it.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: my SE3 not allowing me to get app updates

I was hooked to my wi-fi last I knew. The phone didn't say otherwise.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: my SE3 not allowing me to get app updates

Are you sure you are connected to the internet?

I don't download over cellular, so I have to be on Wi-Fi to check for, and get 
updates.

I use the triple tap on the app store icon, then flick right to updates and 
double tap.

Then, sometimes, have to do the three finger swipe down to refresh the screen.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: my SE3 not allowing me to get app updates

When I go to my account screen, I am unable to check for updates. When I get to 
the place where I should see my recent updates, all I get is the "sign out" 
button. I am asked to sign out but when I do and re-sign in, aI am back where I 
was. Any ideas. My wife's phone worked fine.


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RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Richard Turner]

That is what " planned obsolescence" means.  Companies plan on a piece of 
equipment or software to become obscolete so you have to replace it, or put up 
with the reduced effectiveness...
 


Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 10:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

It's a way to sell more phones too. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

Nope.

Apparently only the A17 chip will be able to take advantage of Apple 
Intelligence.  I believe yours has the A16 chip.

As Sieghard mentioned, with the 14 and 15 they give the non-pro models the 
previous phone’s chip.  So the 14 and 14 plus have the same chip as the 13 pro 
and pro max, the 14 pro and pro max had the newest chip, then the 15 and 15 
plus have the same A16 chip as the 14 pro and pro max, and the 15 pro and pro 
max got the new A17.

So, logically, Apple will give the 16 and 16 plus the A17 and the 16 pro and 
pro max the A18…

 

This is called by some, like me, planned obsolescence.  

Most companies practice this, so it isn’t just Apple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com> 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

Hi I just got a I phone 14 prow max so will this phone have apple intelligence? 
From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: June 11, 2024 8:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

Actually Apple Intelligence will only be available on phones with the A17 or 
newer processor which means the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max as well as 
probably all this year's iPhone 16 models.

Starting with the iPhone 14 series phones Apple differentiated the regular 
iPhone and iPhone Plus from the Pro and Pro Max by only giving the Pro phones 
the latest processor and the regular phones had the processor from the year 
before. Therefore, the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the same processor as the 
iPhone 13 series phones, the A15. Only the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max received 
the A16 Bionic processor in 2022. Then in 2023 when the iPhone 15/15 Plus and 
15 Pro and 15 Pro Max were released, the 15 and 15 Plus received the A16 Bionic 
from 2022 and the same as in iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max. Only the 15 Pro and Pro Max 
received the new A17 Bionic chip released last year and it is that chip which 
seems to be the minimum requirement for Apple Intelligence. This year the 
regular iPhone 16 and 16 Plus will get the A17 Bionic from last year and I 
assume that these phones will therefore meet the minimum requirements for Apple 
Intelligence. The iPhone 16 Pro and Pro Max if that is what they will be called 
will get the latest A18 chip.

I assume Apple will want as many people to have access to Apple Intelligence 
and I therefore don't think they would consider making it available only on Pro 
phones and nothing was said about it during the presentation either. My 2-year 
contract for my 13 Pro will be up I think in late November and I may just have 
to upgrade in order to get access to Apple Intelligence and all it can do and 
all the new Siri with Chat GPT integration can do. Normally I would have 
probably kept my iPhone 13 Pro for another year, but this all sounds just too 
cool and useful to pass it up.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Chela Robles
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

Well, I got an email from Apple today and it looks like all the AI stuff is 
gonna be on all of

RE: my SE3 not allowing me to get app updates

[Richard Turner]

Are you sure you are connected to the internet?

I don't download over cellular, so I have to be on Wi-Fi to check for, and get 
updates.

I use the triple tap on the app store icon, then flick right to updates and 
double tap.

Then, sometimes, have to do the three finger swipe down to refresh the screen.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: my SE3 not allowing me to get app updates

When I go to my account screen, I am unable to check for updates. When I get to 
the place where I should see my recent updates, all I get is the "sign out" 
button. I am asked to sign out but when I do and re-sign in, aI am back where I 
was. Any ideas. My wife's phone worked fine.


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RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Richard Turner]

Nope.

Apparently only the A17 chip will be able to take advantage of Apple 
Intelligence.  I believe yours has the A16 chip.

As Sieghard mentioned, with the 14 and 15 they give the non-pro models the 
previous phone’s chip.  So the 14 and 14 plus have the same chip as the 13 pro 
and pro max, the 14 pro and pro max had the newest chip, then the 15 and 15 
plus have the same A16 chip as the 14 pro and pro max, and the 15 pro and pro 
max got the new A17.

So, logically, Apple will give the 16 and 16 plus the A17 and the 16 pro and 
pro max the A18…

 

This is called by some, like me, planned obsolescence.  

Most companies practice this, so it isn’t just Apple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

Hi I just got a I phone 14 prow max so will this phone have apple intelligence? 
From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: June 11, 2024 8:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

Actually Apple Intelligence will only be available on phones with the A17 or 
newer processor which means the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max as well as 
probably all this year's iPhone 16 models.

Starting with the iPhone 14 series phones Apple differentiated the regular 
iPhone and iPhone Plus from the Pro and Pro Max by only giving the Pro phones 
the latest processor and the regular phones had the processor from the year 
before. Therefore, the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the same processor as the 
iPhone 13 series phones, the A15. Only the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max received 
the A16 Bionic processor in 2022. Then in 2023 when the iPhone 15/15 Plus and 
15 Pro and 15 Pro Max were released, the 15 and 15 Plus received the A16 Bionic 
from 2022 and the same as in iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max. Only the 15 Pro and Pro Max 
received the new A17 Bionic chip released last year and it is that chip which 
seems to be the minimum requirement for Apple Intelligence. This year the 
regular iPhone 16 and 16 Plus will get the A17 Bionic from last year and I 
assume that these phones will therefore meet the minimum requirements for Apple 
Intelligence. The iPhone 16 Pro and Pro Max if that is what they will be called 
will get the latest A18 chip.

I assume Apple will want as many people to have access to Apple Intelligence 
and I therefore don't think they would consider making it available only on Pro 
phones and nothing was said about it during the presentation either. My 2-year 
contract for my 13 Pro will be up I think in late November and I may just have 
to upgrade in order to get access to Apple Intelligence and all it can do and 
all the new Siri with Chat GPT integration can do. Normally I would have 
probably kept my iPhone 13 Pro for another year, but this all sounds just too 
cool and useful to pass it up.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Chela Robles
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

Well, I got an email from Apple today and it looks like all the AI stuff is 
gonna be on all of the iPhone 15 models, not series 14. So I for one won’t be 
getting any major update as far as seeing anything with AI as to my knowledge 
since I have an iPhone 14.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 10, 2024, at 8:36 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I agree.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

We all know what Siri is like right now, but with full AI integration I have a 
feeling we may all be surprised how amazing it may end up being; of course from 
the little I heard this will not be one of these on/off moments where as soon 
as iOs 18 is released in September it will include all of what it will have a 
year from now and after the main .1, .2 and .3 updates which typically happen 
in Late October, before Christmas or in the new year and again in early March. 
And then of course it is my understanding that the true 

RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Richard Turner]

It was yesterday, June 10th, at 10 AM Pacific.

You can watch it at this link:

https://www.apple.com/apple-events/

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

Hi,everyone,

 

What time will this be held?  I'm looking forward to listening to the WWDC 
about the new phones that are coming out.

 

Thanks.

 

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Jun 11, 2024, at 11:42 AM, Chela Robles mailto:cdrobles...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I believe the 15 series is the first one to offer the M chip.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 11, 2024, at 8:07 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I kind of figured that, but was hoping.  Is the 15 the first model to use the M 
chips?  I think it is.

I’m too lazy to go searching for that info right now.

If in the fall when the 16 comes out, if my carrier offers a great trade-in 
deal on my 13 pro, I might update to the 15 pro, or even the 16 if the offer is 
good enough.  I won’t be holding my breath though, .

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

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Chela Robles
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

Well, I got an email from Apple today and it looks like all the AI stuff is 
gonna be on all of the iPhone 15 models, not series 14. So I for one won’t be 
getting any major update as far as seeing anything with AI as to my knowledge 
since I have an iPhone 14.

Sent from my iPhone






On Jun 10, 2024, at 8:36 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I agree.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

We all know what Siri is like right now, but with full AI integration I have a 
feeling we may all be surprised how amazing it may end up being; of course from 
the little I heard this will not be one of these on/off moments where as soon 
as iOs 18 is released in September it will include all of what it will have a 
year from now and after the main .1, .2 and .3 updates which typically happen 
in Late October, before Christmas or in the new year and again in early March. 
And then of course it is my understanding that the true Apple Intelligence will 
require at least an iPhone 15 Pro or later so for many of us it may be years 
before we experience it all and by then of course even more powerful hardware 
and advances in AI will even add more functionality. One thing I am sure of is 
that in the next years we'll see a lot of cool stuff around all the AI 
development and we'll benefit greatly from it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

I literally asked Siri this morning what time was the WWDC keynote and I got 
one of those generic “”this is what I found on the web.”

Whatever they do or don’t’ do with Siri, it can’t be as bad as it is X years 
later than when it was introduced. Just one hot useless mess.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tai 
Tomasi
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

We are currently into a whole new section where they talk about AI. They just 
separated it.

Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.

Email: tai.t

RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Richard Turner]

I kind of figured that, but was hoping.  Is the 15 the first model to use the M 
chips?  I think it is.

I’m too lazy to go searching for that info right now.

If in the fall when the 16 comes out, if my carrier offers a great trade-in 
deal on my 13 pro, I might update to the 15 pro, or even the 16 if the offer is 
good enough.  I won’t be holding my breath though, .

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

Well, I got an email from Apple today and it looks like all the AI stuff is 
gonna be on all of the iPhone 15 models, not series 14. So I for one won’t be 
getting any major update as far as seeing anything with AI as to my knowledge 
since I have an iPhone 14.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 10, 2024, at 8:36 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I agree.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

We all know what Siri is like right now, but with full AI integration I have a 
feeling we may all be surprised how amazing it may end up being; of course from 
the little I heard this will not be one of these on/off moments where as soon 
as iOs 18 is released in September it will include all of what it will have a 
year from now and after the main .1, .2 and .3 updates which typically happen 
in Late October, before Christmas or in the new year and again in early March. 
And then of course it is my understanding that the true Apple Intelligence will 
require at least an iPhone 15 Pro or later so for many of us it may be years 
before we experience it all and by then of course even more powerful hardware 
and advances in AI will even add more functionality. One thing I am sure of is 
that in the next years we'll see a lot of cool stuff around all the AI 
development and we'll benefit greatly from it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

I literally asked Siri this morning what time was the WWDC keynote and I got 
one of those generic “”this is what I found on the web.”

Whatever they do or don’t’ do with Siri, it can’t be as bad as it is X years 
later than when it was introduced. Just one hot useless mess.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tai 
Tomasi
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

We are currently into a whole new section where they talk about AI. They just 
separated it.

Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.

Email: tai.toma...@gmail.com  

Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

 

On Jun 10, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

After all the hipe in the tech media about how Apple was going to announce how 
Siri in iOS 18 would be deeply integrated with AI, it was disappointing to 
listen to the section about iOS 18 and to my knowledge not hear the word Siri 
or AI even once. Of course this could still mean that Apple decided to not go 
into this because maybe it's not yet ready to be presented and we'll hear all 
about it when the new iPhones are released in September, but I thought it was a 
bit of a let down anyways.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Richard Turner]

Sieghard already addressed that in answer to someone else.

Today’s Keynote, but he stopped when they started talking about the Mac.

He didn’t have time to keep listening as he has a business to run…

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
leobado1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

Dude, what WWDC were you watching? 

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

After all the hipe in the tech media about how Apple was going to announce how 
Siri in iOS 18 would be deeply integrated with AI, it was disappointing to 
listen to the section about iOS 18 and to my knowledge not hear the word Siri 
or AI even once. Of course this could still mean that Apple decided to not go 
into this because maybe it's not yet ready to be presented and we'll hear all 
about it when the new iPhones are released in September, but I thought it was a 
bit of a let down anyways.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Richard Turner]

Hi Sieghard,

In fact,after the Mac when they started into the new “Apple Intelligence” 
stuff, they got into detail about the new things coming to Siri.

I’m not clear if most of that is only on devices using the M chips or not.  I’m 
sure those details will be clear soon.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

OK, guess I have to watch this again tonight. I stopped when they started 
talking about Mac OS, anyways, I wouldn't have had enough time to listen to the 
entire thing now anyways. I guess not all is lost then!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tai 
Tomasi
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

 

We are currently into a whole new section where they talk about AI. They just 
separated it.

Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.

Email: tai.toma...@gmail.com  

Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

 

On Jun 10, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

After all the hipe in the tech media about how Apple was going to announce how 
Siri in iOS 18 would be deeply integrated with AI, it was disappointing to 
listen to the section about iOS 18 and to my knowledge not hear the word Siri 
or AI even once. Of course this could still mean that Apple decided to not go 
into this because maybe it's not yet ready to be presented and we'll hear all 
about it when the new iPhones are released in September, but I thought it was a 
bit of a let down anyways.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: learning to play guitar and other stringed instruments as a blind person

[Richard Turner]

Chela,

I was so impressed with this resource, I added it to my web site.

I put their home page text with the links to all their instruments.  It looks 
like this:

Accessible Chords and Scales

Guitar, Mandolin, Banjo and Ukulele Chords and scales for the blind and 
visually impaired

Hundreds of chords and scales for the guitar, mandolin and ukulele in an 
accessible, screen-reader-friendly format. Choose from chords or scales below

and follow the instructions on the following pages.

Accessible Guitar Scales

Accessible Guitar Cords

Accessible Mandolin Cords

Accessible Ukulele Chords

Accessible Banjo Chords

 

The title: “Accessible Chords and Scales

“ is at heading level 2 and each instrument has its own link, but the active 
links didn’t copy into this email….

 

I put it just below the braille music info on my site, which you also had 
provided.

Later,

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2024 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: learning to play guitar and other stringed instruments as a blind 
person

 

That is a great resource! I've played guitar for a long time but never found a 
resource to learn many of the more obscure cords and their different positions. 

Thank you very much. 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 









On Jun 7, 2024, at 4:49 PM, Chela Robles  wrote:

Hey y’all, I just stumbled across this. It sounds really interesting. All I 
did was look for guitar for the blind and I came across something really cool 
that works with screen readers it’s accessible and what it does is you 
basically search the drop-down menu for what you want and you submit it whether 
it’s major or minor or whatever, and you hit the submit button jaws or NVDA 
will tell you how to form the cord. It’s really neat.

Check it out.  

https://www.standardguitar.com/accessible-guitar-chords

 

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On Jun 7, 2024, at 3:19 AM, Robert Doc Wright mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

http://www.wrighthere.net/GuitarMethodForTheBlind-DonaldHoffer.zip

- Original Message - 

From: Richard <mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 5:55 PM

Subject: RE: learning to play guitar and other stringed instruments as a blind 
person

 

Don Hoffer’s Guitar method for the blind  

 

Do you know if this course is still there, possibly with a different title? I’m 
searching on audio files in BARD and not finding any. Finding many Bill Brown 
items, but not this one.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2024 4:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: learning to play guitar and other stringed instruments as a blind 
person

 

I began learning guitar from a course from NLS called Don Hoffer’s Guitar 
method for the blind. Also a sighted person should have no trouble teaching 
someone who is blind the guitar. I took guitar lessons from someone who was 
sighted and had no problems. I also learned a lot by ear.

Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!






On Jun 3, 2024, at 3:09 PM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I imagine you're with the NLS BARD service? Because there's a bunch of 
material by Bill Brown. Hope this helps some!

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel






El 3 jun 2024, a la(s) 2:08 p.m., Dan mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com> > escribió:

 

HI all,

 

I am asking this on 2 lists since I have seen posts about playing musical 
instruments on both.

 

I am wanting to learn to play guitar, mandolin, etc.  I have no sight at all so 
would definitely have to learn to play in a tactile manner.

 

How have those on these lists who play instruments learned to do so?   I have 
no one near me who knows how to teach a blind person to play so I may have to 
do this on my own.

 

thanks for any help with this.

 

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA

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Re: Accessible Air Fryer

[Richard Turner]

You simply say set the air fryer at x defgrees for x minutes. Depending how thick it is, and how done you like it, the numbers will vary. I'd probably use 400 degrees and maybe 5 minutes and see if that is done enough or too done... I usually do a web search for air fried pork chops, etc. That could give you a range to try. I seldom use the presets. I tend to use our Foreman for chops and steaks just because I like the way they come out. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 7, 2024, at 2:58 PM, kheve...@fuse.net wrote:Hi Richard, at your suggestion, I got this air fryer aroound Christmas time.  I love being able to tell the A lady, ziggy, or whoever to airfry frozen onion rings, french fries, hot dogs, etc and wait for the magic to happen.  One day, I told it to airfry porkchop and absolutely nothing happened.  I tried asking it to bake pork chop and nothing happened.  Ended up grilling it on my george foreman.  In that case, how could I have gotten the air fryer to airfry my chop?   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 6:53 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Accessible Air Fryer I also use the Cosori Air Fryer.  We have the Dual Blaze 6.8 quart, which is good for two people.  The Dual means it has heat from the top and bottom so you don’t have to turn food half way through.I primarily use it with Alexa.  It is best to have sighted help to get started, but once connected to Wi-fi you can either use the Vesync app or Set it up to use Alexa or Google Voice.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.caSent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 2:52 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Accessible Air Fryer Hi I use the cazori air fryer with the vysink app. It works with google speekers and alexa. From Mich. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. EdSent: June 6, 2024 5:42 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Accessible Air Fryer Hi All,I know on this group there has been talk about air fryers. I have a friend that is looking for a large capacity and accessible app or air fryer. Any suggestion for a blind person on air fryers would be appreciated.Mr. Ed-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/022b01dab85a%2459786200%240c692600%24%40abe.midco.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/020801dab85b%24bd1e1150%24375a33f0%24%40eastlink.ca.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn