RE: Relabeling a control

[Christopher Chaltain]

Try a two finger double tap and hold.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
Gallik
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 12:04 AM
To: viPhone  
Subject: Relabeling a control

On the Dexcom G7 iOS app, the main screen has a very obscure control label at 
the bottom which should read something similar to calibration. Unfortunately, 
I’ve completely forgotten how to relabel a control. Can anybody remind me, 
please?


- Sent from Ino Squire's iPhone SE (iOS 17.5.1) via Google Mail

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RE: Transferring Files to a New Phone

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, I suspect you’re right. I went into the list of apps  you can backup, and 
I don’t see BARD listed. I’m assuming apps have to register themselves somehow 
to get backed up. Oh well, it’s not a big deal to me since the only books I 
have downloaded are those I’m currently reading or about to read.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
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Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2024 5:04 PM
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Subject: Re: Transferring Files to a New Phone

I do not believe BARD books get backed up. I've always had to download them 
after restoring a backup on a new phone.


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On Jun 2, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Is this true? If you have enough space then you can include BARD in your 
backup. I assume when you restore your iPhone then you’d get your BARD books 
back again. Obviously, I won’t be testing this until I get a new iPhone. BTW, 
when you get a new iPhone, Apple will temporarily give you enough storage to 
back up your iPhone.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2024 11:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Transferring Files to a New Phone

Hi Steve. Bard books is something that won’t transfer over to a new mhone. The 
only thing you can do, is to redownload your books onto your new phone again. I 
know how annoying this is. Hoefully this will change sometime in the future.
Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!



On Jun 2, 2024, at 3:19 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
mailto:als5...@gmail.com>> wrote:
When I did it last, in December 2022, neither my bard nor my kindle books 
transferred. My Voice Dream library did.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Jun 1, 2024, at 5:06 PM, Steve Matzura 
mailto:number6...@gmail.com>> wrote:


It's that time once again, and several iOS versions have gone by since last I 
even thought about this problem, but I am now in the process of getting data 
transferred to a new phone. Some applications, specifically BARD, have files 
that cannot be accessed through user-level applications like File or File 
Browser. So, is it possible to move lots and lots of BARD books from one device 
to another without having to re-download them? If so, can a user do it, or must 
it be done by an iOS technician at a store?
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RE: Transferring Files to a New Phone

[Christopher Chaltain]

Is this true? If you have enough space then you can include BARD in your 
backup. I assume when you restore your iPhone then you’d get your BARD books 
back again. Obviously, I won’t be testing this until I get a new iPhone. BTW, 
when you get a new iPhone, Apple will temporarily give you enough storage to 
back up your iPhone.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2024 11:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Transferring Files to a New Phone

Hi Steve. Bard books is something that won’t transfer over to a new mhone. The 
only thing you can do, is to redownload your books onto your new phone again. I 
know how annoying this is. Hoefully this will change sometime in the future.
Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!


On Jun 2, 2024, at 3:19 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
mailto:als5...@gmail.com>> wrote:
When I did it last, in December 2022, neither my bard nor my kindle books 
transferred. My Voice Dream library did.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Jun 1, 2024, at 5:06 PM, Steve Matzura 
mailto:number6...@gmail.com>> wrote:


It's that time once again, and several iOS versions have gone by since last I 
even thought about this problem, but I am now in the process of getting data 
transferred to a new phone. Some applications, specifically BARD, have files 
that cannot be accessed through user-level applications like File or File 
Browser. So, is it possible to move lots and lots of BARD books from one device 
to another without having to re-download them? If so, can a user do it, or must 
it be done by an iOS technician at a store?
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RE: Transferring Files to a New Phone

[Christopher Chaltain]

I recently restored my iPhone back to factory settings. I was able to get 
everything back by backing everything up to the cloud and then restoring it. 
Apple provides a temporary increase in iCloud storage to support things like 
this or setting up a new phone.

There's also Quick Start which transfers everything over via Bluetooth.

You can read up on these as well as the option to use your computer,, at How to 
Transfer Data From iPhone to iPhone 
(lifewire.com)

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Subject: Transferring Files to a New Phone


It's that time once again, and several iOS versions have gone by since last I 
even thought about this problem, but I am now in the process of getting data 
transferred to a new phone. Some applications, specifically BARD, have files 
that cannot be accessed through user-level applications like File or File 
Browser. So, is it possible to move lots and lots of BARD books from one device 
to another without having to re-download them? If so, can a user do it, or must 
it be done by an iOS technician at a store?
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RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

[Christopher Chaltain]

Darn, I was hoping IOS 18 wouldn't support the iPhone 11 so I'd have an excuse 
to upgrade my iPhone. I guess I'll have to work on coming up with another 
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 11:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

At this point, it is all rumor, but here is what I found after a quick search.
iOS 18 device compatibility
Today’s rumor comes after an initial rumor last month offered our first look at 
iOS 18 device compatibility. At the time, however, we cautioned skepticism 
because the rumor was posted and quickly deleted, suggesting the source wasn’t 
confident in their claims.

In what seems to be a more concrete rumor today, shared on social media by a 
private account with a strong track record, here’s which devices will be 
compatible with iOS 18:

iPhone 15
iPhone 15 Plus
iPhone 15 Pro
iPhone 15 Pro Max
iPhone 14
iPhone 14 Plus
iPhone 14 Pro
iPhone 14 Pro Max
iPhone 13
iPhone 13 mini
iPhone 13 Pro
iPhone 13 Pro Max
iPhone 12
iPhone 12 mini
iPhone 12 Pro
iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 11
iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone 11 Pro Max
iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iPhone SE (2nd generation)
iPhone SE (3rd generation)
For those keeping track at home, this means that iOS 18 will be compatible with 
all the same devices as iOS 17.

iPadOS 18 compatibility
For iPad users, the account says that iPadOS 18 will drop support for the 
following devices:

iPad (6th generation)
iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd generation)
iPad Pro (10.5-inch)
Other than those changes, iPadOS 18 will be compatible with the same devices as 
iPadOS 17. This includes the iPad (7th generation), which was first introduced 
in 2019 and is powered by the A10 Fusion chip.

iPadOS 18 compatibility:

iPad: 2019 and later
iPad mini: 2019 and later
iPad Air: 2019 and later
iPad Pro 2018 and later
This is a bit odd. The iPad Pro (10.5-inch) and iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd 
generation) are both powered by the A10X Fusion processor, and will reportedly 
be dropped by iPadOS 18. The iPad (7th generation), meanwhile, is powered by 
the A10 Fusion and will reportedly support iPadOS 18.

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Subject: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

Can anyone tell me if the Ipad 8th generation will support the next ipad os 18? 
Thanks.


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RE: Hiding /uniding BCC Field in Outlook2016?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't know how to do this off the top of my head, so I did a web search and 
found the following article Show, hide, and view the Bcc (blind carbon copy) 
field in Outlook for Windows - Microsoft 
Support

To do it myself though, while composing a message, I'd hit alt+q and type 
"BCC". The first option will be to show the BCC field. Hit enter on this and 
the BCC field will appear.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohammad 
Fazil
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2024 1:56 PM
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Subject: Hiding /uniding BCC Field in Outlook2016?

Hi, Group.
How can I hide/unhide BCC Field in Outlook2016, please?
Thanks!

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RE: Using the BookPlayer app as a Music Player?

[Christopher Chaltain]

As you said, I've done this with audio books which are made up of folders of 
MP3 files, so there's no difference between this and music files. Just like I 
can jump to a particular episode in a show or a chapter of a book, you could 
also play a particular song. This is true in Voice Dream Reader and Book Player.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 5:58 PM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: Using the BookPlayer app as a Music Player?

So I'm kind of wondering if any of you'll have ever thought about (or are 
actualy using the "BookPlayer" app with which some of us are reading MP3 books 
with nowadays? I got the possible idea of this because I could export into 
"BookPlayer" albums or MP3 playlists that have already been ziped, from 
Dropbox, for instance; I'd just need to keep them zipped before exporting them 
into the app, so folder will play continually (be an album or MP3 folder, 
right? Of course, I wouldn't be able to go into the folder or album and maybe 
pick a song I'dlike to listen to sinc the album or folder will be zipped so 
it'll play continually and I just don't feel like messing around with ITunes to 
put music onto my IPHone and IPad! Thus I thought about "BookPlayer" how it 
could be used for music aside from books.
I'm kind of looking forward to giving this a try! And yes, I've thought about 
using "VLC" for my music, but I don't think VLC is able to work with zipped 
content, in terms of exporting it? With VLC it'll have to be track by track, 
right? Thus I don't think VLC will work with importing an unzipped folder? 
However with VLC, I'd be able to go into a Music Playlist or album, and select 
what song (or songs) I'd like to listen to.
So I'm thinking "BookPlayer" is the solution. Or what other options would 
you'll recommend?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

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RE: High speed voiceover

[Christopher Chaltain]

In addition to setting the speaking rate in settings or the roter, you might 
also be able to use VoiceOver quick settings. I’m not sure what the defaults 
are but I moved all of the VoiceOver settings from the roter over to the quick 
settings. I use the roter mostly for navigation.

Note all of this may be challenging if the speaking rate is so quick you can’t 
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Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2024 2:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: High speed voiceover

Have you tried turning voiceover off and then back on again? You can just tell 
siri  to turn off voiceover then wait a minute or so then tell siri to turn it 
back on again. Also try turning off the phone and turning it back on again.

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On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 12:31 PM Joseph hudson 
mailto:jhud7...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Navigate to speaking rate and then adjust it that way.

> On Apr 20, 2024, at 9:27 AM, 'mike' via VIPhone 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone
>
>
> After a recent upgrade to the ios, voiceover is now talking at a speed I just 
> ca't understand.  I have change the percentage via settings but it doesn't 
> make any difference.  What is the best way to reduce thhe speed of voiceover?
>
>
> With thanks
>
>
> Mike.
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RE: calls getting cut off.

[Christopher Chaltain]

The only thing I can think of is that something else is touching the screen, 
like your face or another finger, so a single touch is being interpreted as a 
split tap. If the focus is on the end call button then this will terminate the 
call. I'm not sure if this is what's happening or not. It's just speculation on 
my part.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2024 10:46 AM
To: viPhone 
Subject: calls getting cut off.

Anyone have any idea when I'm on a call, that simply touching the screen 
anywhere can cut off a call - no pressing, not near end call, just simply 
contact with screen?

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RE: Replying to An Email With An attachment Question Please.

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yep, that will work too. Not sure why I do it the way I do. I guess it's 
because I already use the context menu to open and save the attachment.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2024 3:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Replying to An Email With An attachment Question Please.

Hi Christopher,

Couldn't I just select and copy the attachment, instead of using the context 
option?
I could then just paste the attachment in to the new email.

Thank you.

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2024 3:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Replying to An Email With An attachment Question Please.

What you'd want to do is to do a reply all and then reattach the attachment. 
You can go into the original email, find the attachment in the list of 
attachments and then use the context menu to find the copy option. After this, 
you can just paste it into the new message. Let me know if you have any more 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2024 3:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Replying to An Email With An attachment Question Please.

Hi Everyone,
I asked this question just some time ago, and I did get a response, but I need 
to ask this again.
So when I reply to an email that has an attachment with it, the attachment 
doesn't go along with the reply, is that right?
I was told I had to instead reply by forwarding the message  in order to keep 
the attachment attached.
So for an example I want to reply to an email with an attachment, but I want to 
reply to all 5 people who are included in the email.
So I would have to forward the message with the attachment, and manually   
enter all 5 names, so that all 5 people will get the email with the attachment 
attached?
I'm not sure this sounds right.
Please if someone could give me an answer, I would really appreciate it.

Thank you all.

Janet

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RE: Replying to An Email With An attachment Question Please.

[Christopher Chaltain]

What you'd want to do is to do a reply all and then reattach the attachment. 
You can go into the original email, find the attachment in the list of 
attachments and then use the context menu to find the copy option. After this, 
you can just paste it into the new message. Let me know if you have any more 
questions.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2024 3:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Replying to An Email With An attachment Question Please.

Hi Everyone,
I asked this question just some time ago, and I did get a response, but I need 
to ask this again.
So when I reply to an email that has an attachment with it, the attachment 
doesn't go along with the reply, is that right?
I was told I had to instead reply by forwarding the message  in order to keep 
the attachment attached.
So for an example I want to reply to an email with an attachment, but I want to 
reply to all 5 people who are included in the email.
So I would have to forward the message with the attachment, and manually   
enter all 5 names, so that all 5 people will get the email with the attachment 
attached?
I'm not sure this sounds right.
Please if someone could give me an answer, I would really appreciate it.

Thank you all.

Janet

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RE: Accessable fitness tracker

[Christopher Chaltain]

I found the Fit Bit  app accessible when I had the Charge HR. Now all I have is 
an scale, but the app still seems accessible. I can’t swear everything will be 
accessible when using it with one of the fitness trackers.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 10:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessable fitness tracker

So I know that the fitbit itself is completely inaccessible.  However, what 
about the app?  Can you see all of the information like heart rate and activity 
from the app?


On Apr 5, 2024, at 2:10 AM, Esther Levegnale 
mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
hi, everyone, I use the Fitbit tracker and I love it. When it gets to be 10 
minutes before the hour, it reminds you to move by making too quick vibrations. 
I have the charge six, which is a Roman numeral number. Take care everyone. 
Esther. P. S. I meant to tell you that I bought it at Best Buy. Thanks.
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!


On Mar 30, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Barbara Stahl 
mailto:stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi list!
What are your opinions on the most accessible fitness trackers?  Is the apple 
watch the best, or is a fitbit product just as good for fitness related things? 
 Or is there something else out there that is acceffsible and reasonably priced?
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RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you’re talking about the change they made when the app changed ownership, I 
never interpreted that to be a life time guarantee. I always just assumed that 
applied to the changes they were making at the time. Of course, my opinion is 
irrelevant.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 8:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

I agree it isn’t sustainable to expect a $10 purchase for 10 years ago to keep 
the app going.  Where this company clearly went wrong is saying there would be 
no change for existing users.  Had they simply said at this time we don’t plan 
to change things for existing users they would’ve been covered.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 7:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

You’re right, if they just let the existing app die on the vine, and they put 
out a new app, then it wouldn’t be much of a burden to them. I was assuming 
they’d still just have one app that would start including the new functionality 
for the subscribers but leave the existing functionality for the current users. 
This would require branches in the code, ongoing maintenance for those with the 
existing functionality and regression testing to make sure existing 
functionality didn’t break.

Again, you’re right. They couldn’t pull the app from the store and erase it 
from everyone phone, but if they just pivoted away from the app altogether 
because supporting it as is isn’t sustainable then what functionality would be 
impacted and how long would it be before it stopped functioning altogether? My 
point was that enforcing the guidelines won’t make a business model sustainable 
and keep a company afloat.

Sounds  to me like Winston had a great idea for an app, couldn’t keep putting 
food on the table the way things were, sold it to another company who’s also 
trying to make it work, and is now fumbling it’s way to get to a position where 
they can support a great app and make some money off of it as well. I just 
don’t see bad guys here, but rather developers trying to adjust to a changing 
market.

Sorry, I should have just left this alone. Like I said, I think y’all have a 
point about these guidelines, and I think you should definitely raise it with 
the developers and Apple. ,I know I may keep using the app if this all works 
out. If not, I’ve already gotten my money’s worth from Voice Dream, and I’ve 
already started  using alternatives.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 10:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

Hey Christopher, I’m a little bit confused by what you are saying. If Voice 
Dream Reader’s developer grandfathered in existing users, didn’t provide us 
with any updates, but also didn’t disable our previously purchased 
functionality, and just released a new app with the subscription, what do you 
mean when you say that wouldn’t be free for them? There wouldn’t be any 
additional development, testing or technical support needed for the previously 
purchased app, so I can’t imagine what costs they would incur. Or do you mean 
the opportunity cost, as in, the lack of revenue from users who previously 
bought perpetual licenses and are now being asked to re-purchase, rent, our 
licenses again? As for pulling the app from everyone if the App Store team told 
them they can’t change the terms for previous customers, I’m not really sure 
how that would benefit them or anybody else, it sounds like a zero-sum solution 
where everybody loses. I don’t know exactly how that works either if developers 
wish to erase something from everyone’s purchase history but it’s extremely 
uncommon. I have many discontinued apps that I can still redownload. I think 
one thing this has taught me is the benefits of keeping the app installation 
files locally on your computer like we used to in the good ‘ol days. You can 
use iMazing on Mac to download these, not sure about Windows but possibly an 
older version of iTunes. I feel like there’s some vulnerability in counting on 
being able to download the latest versions of apps from the App Store’s 
purchase history given this type of situation.


Grant Hardy


On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 4:46 PM Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I didn’t listen to Jonathan Mosen’s interview, but if this is really an issue 
of a sustainable business model then

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Christopher Chaltain]

You’re right, if they just let the existing app die on the vine, and they put 
out a new app, then it wouldn’t be much of a burden to them. I was assuming 
they’d still just have one app that would start including the new functionality 
for the subscribers but leave the existing functionality for the current users. 
This would require branches in the code, ongoing maintenance for those with the 
existing functionality and regression testing to make sure existing 
functionality didn’t break.

Again, you’re right. They couldn’t pull the app from the store and erase it 
from everyone phone, but if they just pivoted away from the app altogether 
because supporting it as is isn’t sustainable then what functionality would be 
impacted and how long would it be before it stopped functioning altogether? My 
point was that enforcing the guidelines won’t make a business model sustainable 
and keep a company afloat.

Sounds  to me like Winston had a great idea for an app, couldn’t keep putting 
food on the table the way things were, sold it to another company who’s also 
trying to make it work, and is now fumbling it’s way to get to a position where 
they can support a great app and make some money off of it as well. I just 
don’t see bad guys here, but rather developers trying to adjust to a changing 
market.

Sorry, I should have just left this alone. Like I said, I think y’all have a 
point about these guidelines, and I think you should definitely raise it with 
the developers and Apple. ,I know I may keep using the app if this all works 
out. If not, I’ve already gotten my money’s worth from Voice Dream, and I’ve 
already started  using alternatives.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 10:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

Hey Christopher, I’m a little bit confused by what you are saying. If Voice 
Dream Reader’s developer grandfathered in existing users, didn’t provide us 
with any updates, but also didn’t disable our previously purchased 
functionality, and just released a new app with the subscription, what do you 
mean when you say that wouldn’t be free for them? There wouldn’t be any 
additional development, testing or technical support needed for the previously 
purchased app, so I can’t imagine what costs they would incur. Or do you mean 
the opportunity cost, as in, the lack of revenue from users who previously 
bought perpetual licenses and are now being asked to re-purchase, rent, our 
licenses again? As for pulling the app from everyone if the App Store team told 
them they can’t change the terms for previous customers, I’m not really sure 
how that would benefit them or anybody else, it sounds like a zero-sum solution 
where everybody loses. I don’t know exactly how that works either if developers 
wish to erase something from everyone’s purchase history but it’s extremely 
uncommon. I have many discontinued apps that I can still redownload. I think 
one thing this has taught me is the benefits of keeping the app installation 
files locally on your computer like we used to in the good ‘ol days. You can 
use iMazing on Mac to download these, not sure about Windows but possibly an 
older version of iTunes. I feel like there’s some vulnerability in counting on 
being able to download the latest versions of apps from the App Store’s 
purchase history given this type of situation.


Grant Hardy


On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 4:46 PM Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I didn’t listen to Jonathan Mosen’s interview, but if this is really an issue 
of a sustainable business model then Apple’s guidelines can’t keep a developer 
from just pulling the app altogether. I don’t know what their user community 
looks like, so I don’t know if this is an issue for them or not. It does seem 
to be though that supporting current customers with current functionality, as 
well as future customers with new functionality, isn’t going to be free. There 
will be development, test and maintenance costs.

I’m not saying anyone shouldn’t contact Apple and pursue this, in fact I think 
that’s exactly what people should do. I’ll be interested to see what comes of 
it.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 3:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

Hi Arnold,

None of these would happen. Nothing that dramatic would occur. What Apple could 
do is simply reject their update and tell them to fix the app so functionality 
isn't taken away from previous customers. The Apple review team rejects many 
new apps and app updates on a regular basis and 

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Christopher Chaltain]

I didn’t listen to Jonathan Mosen’s interview, but if this is really an issue 
of a sustainable business model then Apple’s guidelines can’t keep a developer 
from just pulling the app altogether. I don’t know what their user community 
looks like, so I don’t know if this is an issue for them or not. It does seem 
to be though that supporting current customers with current functionality, as 
well as future customers with new functionality, isn’t going to be free. There 
will be development, test and maintenance costs.

I’m not saying anyone shouldn’t contact Apple and pursue this, in fact I think 
that’s exactly what people should do. I’ll be interested to see what comes of 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 3:47 PM
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Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

Hi Arnold,

None of these would happen. Nothing that dramatic would occur. What Apple could 
do is simply reject their update and tell them to fix the app so functionality 
isn't taken away from previous customers. The Apple review team rejects many 
new apps and app updates on a regular basis and it's not a big deal. Devs just 
implement the required changes and then they're good to go. Alternatively, if 
the code is already live with the update released last week, Apple could pull 
the app from the store until they fix it, especially since the change was 
undocumented until you installed the update.

However it's also possible that this will fly under Apple's radar or that 
they'll choose to not act. Even though this clearly doesn't jive with my 
reading of the guidelines, subscription models are all over the place and I 
think a lot of this type of behaviour flies under the radar. The review team 
doesn't catch everything.

Of course it's also possible I'm simply reading the guidelines incorrectly.

Grant Hardy


On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 1:38 PM Arnold Schmidt 
mailto:als5...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Another thing to wonder about: Suppose Apple investigates and decides that 
their guidelines have been violated. What can Apple do about it that won't hurt 
everybody. They can simply remove VoiceDream from the app store. They could sue 
the developers and end up in court which would probably take years to resolve. 
Apple could issue some update to the IOS which would prevent VoiceDream from 
operating while the issue is resolved.Or, the developers could just say, well, 
to heck with it, we will simply stop supporting the thing and go out of 
business because it isn't worth going to court over.  If any of these solutions 
are acurate, we all would end up worse off than if Apple just let it go.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Mar 31, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Grant Hardy 
mailto:grantha...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Arnold,

As per your second point, there could still be lots of reasons to get a 
subscription, but they should revolve around new features. The developers could 
release new features on top of the existing app, and if they were compelling 
enough then users would definitely want to subscribe to get access to them.

However, as of my understanding of this app, subscriptions shouldn't charge for 
features already bought with different terms. In my case, those features 
include browsing BookShare, adding and reading content, various voices, and 
scanning documents.

As was pointed out in the podcast posted here a few days ago from Jonathan, 
they could also release a completely new app, charge for it monthly, not update 
the previous app anymore, and we could then use the previous app on the terms 
we agreed upon. The issue is releasing an update that disables features.

Thanks,

Grant Hardy


On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 12:49 PM Grant Hardy 
mailto:grantha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Cara,

I really appreciate your insight on this and you said it far better than I did.

Ultimately, with all of the controversy surrounding the App Store given 
developments in the EU etc., one thing that everyone usually acknowledges is 
that the App Store operates within certain guidelines, and those have huge 
benefits to both users and developers. Some are more asateric, like "please 
don't modify the status bar or hide system messages etc.". Some are more 
protective, like the one I quoted (e.g. something like "please don't take away 
what users previously bought and try to charge for it again"). What I'm 
throwing out there is that if the App Store is going to be the exclusive place 
where I can get apps, I'd like developers to follow the guidelines so I can get 
the functionality and protections the App Store is designed to offer. And I 
would like a mechanism to report when I believe developers aren’t following 
what they agreed upon.

It's just baffling to me that previous purchases are being intentionally 
disabled and I'm a little taken aback that the arguments on either side haven't 

RE: VoiceDream Alternatives

[Christopher Chaltain]

Also, what features from Voice Dream are you looking to replace?

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Subject: RE: VoiceDream Alternatives

In addition to Speechify, I'm aware of Book Player and Speech Central. I used 
Book Player before I switched to Voice Dream. I was OK with it but importing 
audio books from One Drive took forever. It also didn't have all of the 
features that you find in Voice Dream. I took a quick look at Speech Central, 
and I found the interface a bit cumbersome. I did read that they have a new 
technology to speed up the playback on audio files, so I'm planning on giving 
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Subject: VoiceDream Alternatives

Now that Applause is forcing people who bought VoiceDream Reader to subscribe, 
I'm looking for good alternatives. Free would be nice, of course, but I'm 
potentially willing to pay, so long as it's not a subscription. I've tried 
Speechify, which I liked, but the speech was much too slow.

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RE: VoiceDream Alternatives

[Christopher Chaltain]

In addition to Speechify, I'm aware of Book Player and Speech Central. I used 
Book Player before I switched to Voice Dream. I was OK with it but importing 
audio books from One Drive took forever. It also didn't have all of the 
features that you find in Voice Dream. I took a quick look at Speech Central, 
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Subject: VoiceDream Alternatives

Now that Applause is forcing people who bought VoiceDream Reader to subscribe, 
I'm looking for good alternatives. Free would be nice, of course, but I'm 
potentially willing to pay, so long as it's not a subscription. I've tried 
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RE: unable to use any of my Bluetooth devices with my iPhone

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If you haven't tried this already, empty the App Switcher and restart your 
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then pair it up again. If you've tried that, and you're getting desperate, 
reset all network settings to see if that does the rick. You'll need to pair 
all of your Bluetooth devices again.

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MAY
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Subject: RE: unable to use any of my bluetooth devices with my iPhone

I recently purchased a Focus Blue Notetaker which for the past three weeks has 
happily acted as a braille display for my computer and iPhone.
But I seem to have inadvertently upset the settings and at the moment, none of 
my Bluetooth headphones will work on the iPhone. I can see the devices listed 
in Bluetooth in settings but it tells me that none of them are available, only 
my Focus Blue Notetaker.
I have now deleted the Focus Blue in my iPhone's settings and also in the Focus 
Blue's Connectivity settings itself, but still, my Bluetooth devices refuse to 
work on my iPhone.
I am tempted to remove everything and then re-install them but does anyone have 
any other ideas?
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RE: sending text messages using braille screen input

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yest it is. Type braille directly on the iPhone screen with VoiceOver - Apple 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 9:07 AM
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Subject: Re: sending text messages using braille screen input

I'd never heard of that gesture for sending text messages. I always get out of 
braille screen input and double tap the send button.
Is that a default gesture?

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On Mar 16, 2024, at 6:40 AM, Cory Jackson 
mailto:coryl.jack...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
I have noticed over the last few versions of Ios that it is no longer possible 
to perform a 3 finger swipe up to send a text while in braille screen input 
mode.
Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
Regards:
Cory Jackson

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RE: BARD App

[Christopher Chaltain]

I only experience this with the BARD app myself.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2024 8:01 PM
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Subject: RE: BARD App

What other apps?


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
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Subject: Re: BARD App

I’m not from the US and I don’t use bard, I do however have a pair of these 
headphones, and this problem occurs in other apps.
Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Mar 2024, at 00:21, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

It doesn’t come and go for me. The pause button on my Shokz Open Moves never 
pauses a BARD book.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
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Subject: RE: BARD App

Steve it seems to come and go


Corey Cook

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Steve 
Cook
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Subject: BARD App

Hi All,

Wanted to check with others before reporting this. I use the Open Com Blue 
Tooth headset with my iPhone 14 for reading books. With the latest update, I 
have noticed when pressing the button to stop play back, this no longer works. 
Is anyone else experiencing this? I have cleared the app switcher and restarted 
my iPhone.


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RE: BARD App

[Christopher Chaltain]

It doesn't come and go for me. The pause button on my Shokz Open Moves never 
pauses a BARD book.

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Subject: RE: BARD App

Steve it seems to come and go


Corey Cook

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Steve 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: BARD App

Hi All,

Wanted to check with others before reporting this. I use the Open Com Blue 
Tooth headset with my iPhone 14 for reading books. With the latest update, I 
have noticed when pressing the button to stop play back, this no longer works. 
Is anyone else experiencing this? I have cleared the app switcher and restarted 
my iPhone.


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RE: voice-over problem.

[Christopher Chaltain]

I have Screen Recognition in my roter, so I can twist the roter around to 
screen recognition and flick up and down to toggle it on and off for each app.

There's also a toggle in Settings -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver 
Recognition where you can toggle screen recognition off. I assume this turns it 
off across your device and it no longer becomes an option to turn it on. I'm a 
bit fuzzy on this, and I know other on this list know more about how this works 
than I do.

To add it to your roter, you can go into the VoiceOver settings -> roter -> 
roter options and turn it on. I think it can be turned off for most people and 
most apps, but I did turn it on when I learned the media controller in the 
SiriusXM app became usable with screen recognition. Before that I had it 
toggled off.

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hoxha
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how can turn off?

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Have you checked to see if VoiceOver recognition is on when in YouTube? If so, 
you might want to turn it off to see if that helps.



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hi.

i use iphone11 and i have updated ios17.4.

Youtube has not fool accessible by voice-over.

how can solve this problem ?

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RE: voice-over problem.

[Christopher Chaltain]

Have you checked to see if VoiceOver recognition is on when in YouTube? If so, 
you might want to turn it off to see if that helps.

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hi.
i use iphone11 and i have updated ios17.4.
Youtube has not fool accessible by voice-over.
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RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

[Christopher Chaltain]

The Orbit Writer will be used with the dots in a horizontal configuration, just 
like you're using a Perkins style braille keyboard. I have to use it on a flat 
surface but I've heard others say that there's a lanyard where you can use it 
without putting it down. It uses the braille support in VoiceOver. If you're 
using other braille devices, like a braille e-reader from the NLS, you'll find 
the key commands are going to be similar.

The keys on the Hable are side by side and vertical, and you hold it in your 
hands facing away from you. It's similar to what you use when you use braille 
screen input on the iPhone in the mode where the iPhone is facing away from 
you. It doesn't use the braille input support in VoiceOver. It's my 
understanding that it connects to your phone like a Bluetooth keyboard and not 
a braille device. For me, this means the connectivity is quicker and smoother. 
It handles the braille translation internally, so you can still use contracted 
braille. The key commands aren't going to be exactly like what you'd be using 
with other braille devices, but they are similar, and at least in my opinion, 
are a bit more intuitive.

Another difference is that in the US the Orbit Writer costs around $100 while 
the Hable cost around $200.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Louise 
Peyton
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 1:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

Hello:
What is the difference between using the Hable 1 and the Orbit writer?  Thanks 
in advance.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Subject: RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

There's also the Hable. You can find more at Hable - Smart devices made 
accessible to everyone (iamhable.com)<https://www.iamhable.com/> It's available 
through the AT Guys at Hable One Smallest Braille Keyboard For Any Tablet or 
Smartphone - Easy to Carry : A. T. Guys, Your Access Technology Experts 
(atguys.com)<https://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info=27_id=406>

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Subject: RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

As Dennis said, the Orbit Writer is Bluetooth and a braille input keyboard, 
very small and is $99.
https://www.orbitresearch.com/product/orbit-writer/


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Hello all,
I'm looking for a small Bluetooth keyboard either braille or not braille to use 
for when texting on my iPhone.
So if anyone has any good affordable recommendations let me know.
Thanks and take care.
Don Risavy

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RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

[Christopher Chaltain]

The Logitech K-380 is also a small keyboard that will fit into a small bag. It 
has a pretty nice and solid feel to it. I don't use it when I'm out and about, 
but I do take it with me when I'm traveling.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 7:09 PM
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Amazon has the Omoton slim keyboard that wil fit in a backpack for about $20. 
It has standard size keys. Its demensions are on a standard size keyboard from 
the numbers row down to the space bar and from the caps lock to the enter key.
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There's also the Hable. You can find more at Hable - Smart devices made 
accessible to everyone (iamhable.com)<https://www.iamhable.com/> It's available 
through the AT Guys at Hable One Smallest Braille Keyboard For Any Tablet or 
Smartphone - Easy to Carry : A. T. Guys, Your Access Technology Experts 
(atguys.com)<https://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info=27_id=406>

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

As Dennis said, the Orbit Writer is Bluetooth and a braille input keyboard, 
very small and is $99.
https://www.orbitresearch.com/product/orbit-writer/


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Hello all,
I'm looking for a small Bluetooth keyboard either braille or not braille to use 
for when texting on my iPhone.
So if anyone has any good affordable recommendations let me know.
Thanks and take care.
Don Risavy

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RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

[Christopher Chaltain]

There's also the Hable. You can find more at Hable - Smart devices made 
accessible to everyone (iamhable.com) It's available 
through the AT Guys at Hable One Smallest Braille Keyboard For Any Tablet or 
Smartphone - Easy to Carry : A. T. Guys, Your Access Technology Experts 
(atguys.com)

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2024 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

As Dennis said, the Orbit Writer is Bluetooth and a braille input keyboard, 
very small and is $99.
https://www.orbitresearch.com/product/orbit-writer/


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Hello all,
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Don Risavy

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RE: Apps and Widgets

[Christopher Chaltain]

I did not know that, or if I did I forgot. Sorry I gave people the wrong 
impression in the message below. Prior to knowing this great tidbit, I would 
flick up or down to get to next or previous widget and double tap. I’d then 
have to retouch the widget to hear the new information. With your suggestion 
below, you’re right, this has got to be as easy as it is for a sighted person. 
I’ll need to consider if I want to use more stacks now. Thanks a ton for the 
correction and the information.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 9:27 PM
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I do not know if you know, but you can just move from widget to widget in a 
stack by doing a 3 finger swipe up or down.  Can not imagine a sighted person 
could do it quicker than that.



Chris


On Mar 8, 2024, at 8:37 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I have two widgets on my home page. One is a smart stack and the other is the 
open task widget in the Microsoft To Do app. I wanted the quickest way possible 
to capture a note from my home page, and adding this widget seemed to do that 
for me. Moving from widget to widget in a stack isn’t as efficient for a blind 
person as it is for a sighted person, so it’s not going to work for everyone. 
That’s why I like the smart stack, since it shows me the widget it thinks I 
want to see at that moment. It’s more right than wrong.

I also still use the today page. For example, since I don’t need to see the 
status of my batteries as frequently as other things, I just leave that on my 
today page. We have a lot of flexibility now on IOS, so each person needs to 
experiment to see what works for them.

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Subject: RE: Apps and Widgets

Thanks Chris,
I had figured out some of that, but the stack information is very helpful.
A tip: it is quicker to get to the various choices of widget sizes and so on by 
doing a three finger swipe from right to left.  As if you were flicking a page 
in a physical book.  And of course, to go back, three finger swipe left to 
right.

I may experiment with stacks once I decide what I want quick access to.

Thanks again,


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apps and Widgets


You can have a widget on any of your home screens.  I personally have a widget 
stack on the first screen of my home pages, and I have a second stack on the 
second screen.


First, before adding a widget, you need to know the different sizes and how 
much of the home screen each one will take up.  Keep in mind, the smaller the 
widget, the less information it can display.  there are 3 sizes, they are:

1, small, covers a two by two grid on the home screen.
2, Medium, covers a four by two grid on home screen.
3, Large, covers a four by four grid on home screen.

Now, how to add a widget.

1, On the screen you want to add a widget, flick up on any app and choose edit.
2, In the top left of the screen double tap the add button.
3, Swipe down the list of widgets and choose the app you want to add a widget 
from.  Please note:  The first in the list are just recommendations, I would 
swipe on down until you get to where the alphabetical order list starts.
4, After double tapping on the app you want, you are put on the screen where 
you can find all of the widgets offered by that app.
5, Its best if you start at the bottom of the widget screen, so do a four 
finger single tap near the bottom to jump there.
6, The last thing on the screen is the close button.  Now swipe up to the left 
until you get to the pages.  This is how many different widgets you can choose 
from.  Now if you swipe one more time up to the left, you will get a 
description of the first widget and its size.
6, If you want to see what else is available, or do not want the first choice, 
then flick down to the pages, and flick up until it changes to the next number. 
 Then swipe back up to the description and check it out along with the size.  
Keep repeating this until you find the type of widget you want.
7, Once you find the widget you want, just swipe down and choose the add widget 
button near the bottom of the scree

RE: Apps and Widgets

[Christopher Chaltain]

a stack in the orer I want them, to make it quicker to 
find the one I want.

I use widgets on a daily basis, and it can make finding out information a lot 
quicker and without having to open the app.

Chris


On Mar 7, 2024, at 11:18 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I wanted to add a Widget to my last page, but nothing worked.
Do they have to be on the home page?
I got the Weather Widget info which had 6 pages.
Double tapping on any of those did nothing.
There was a done button, but no widget showed up.
iPhone 13 Pro.


Richard, USA
"At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you."
-- Wolfgang Von Goethe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

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JAWS version 2024.2403.3


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mario 
Eiland
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 4:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apps and Widgets

You get announcements such as it will start raining in 15 minutes at your 
location.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apps and Widgets

You can also get into edit mode by just flicking down once and double tapping.

I have the weather widget in a stacked widget, and I hear “74 degrees, cloudy, 
high of 74 degrees, low of 64 degrees” when I touch the app, so I think Mario 
is right, and that’s what you need.

I’m also wondering what you get when you turn on badges in the notifications 
for the weather app.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mario 
Eiland
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 5:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apps and Widgets

HI Jim,
If I remember correctly widgets were an option we could have on or turned off 
when we first set up our iPhones. If that’s something you want back such as the 
weather widget, then try the following.
Double tap twice and hold on the second tap and you will hear couple of tones 
and VoiceOver will announce “start Editing.” Scroll to the top and you will 
find an option to add a widget. Double tap on that and you will see a list of 
widgets you can add and one of those is the weather widget. That should give 
you a good start.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
portillo@gmail.com<mailto:portillo@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 2:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Apps and Widgets

Good afternoon,
I have an inquiry, so please bear with me, because I’m uncertain about some 
things.
When I received a new work iPhone, one thing I noticed was that when I’d put my 
finger on the Weather app, it would not just say “Weather”, but it would also 
give me the location and other information, such as temperatures and whether or 
not rain was expected. My own personal phone doesn’t do that when I touch the 
weather app. I have to go into it and then read about my location and 
temperature and such. Much more swiping.
I’d love to be able to have my weather app speak those things on my personal 
iPhone as well.
It’s the same with the calendar app on my work iPhone. I’ll touch it, and it 
will give me the date, and then I swipe to the right, and it lets me know if I 
have any appointments or events.
I’ve looked at things like settings in both apps, which really didn’t do me 
much good. Then, someone asked if I had widgets on my screen for these apps, 
and I had no idea what that meant. So, I thought I’d ask.

  1.  What’s a widget?
  2.  How can I make the weather app or widget speak my location’s temperature 
and relevant information by just simply touching it without actually getting 
into it?
  3.  How can I get my calendar to automatically let me know if I have any 
appointments or events without always getting into it?
If these things are being done on my Work iPhone, which is a 12, I would 
imagine they can be done on a 15 Pro.
Thanks for any information.
I’m also going to see if there are any AppleVis tutorials on whatever widgets 
are.
Jim
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RE: Apps and Widgets

[Christopher Chaltain]

 easier and to keep things from getting confusing, go to your 
last home screen.

2, Start edit mode, go pick out your next widget, and add it to your last home 
screen.

3, After it has been added, it is just like moving an app.  flick up on the 
widget and choose drag.

3, Go to your first widget, flick up and choose add to stack.  This will place 
that widget on top of the first widget and create a widget stack.

4, To add more widgets, just repeat the process.



IN a widget stack, how to switch from one to another?



With the widget stack in focus:

Do a 3 finger swipe up to go to the next widget, and a 3 finger down to go to 
the previous widget.



I try to add widgets to a stack in the orer I want them, to make it quicker to 
find the one I want.



I use widgets on a daily basis, and it can make finding out information a lot 
quicker and without having to open the app.



Chris







On Mar 7, 2024, at 11:18 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I wanted to add a Widget to my last page, but nothing worked.

Do they have to be on the home page?

I got the Weather Widget info which had 6 pages.

Double tapping on any of those did nothing.

There was a done button, but no widget showed up.

iPhone 13 Pro.





Richard, USA

"At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you."

-- Wolfgang Von Goethe



My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>



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JAWS version 2024.2403.3





From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Mario Eiland
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 4:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apps and Widgets



You get announcements such as it will start raining in 15 minutes at 
your location.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apps and Widgets



You can also get into edit mode by just flicking down once and double 
tapping.



I have the weather widget in a stacked widget, and I hear “74 degrees, 
cloudy, high of 74 degrees, low of 64 degrees” when I touch the app, so I think 
Mario is right, and that’s what you need.



I’m also wondering what you get when you turn on badges in the 
notifications for the weather app.



--

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA



From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Mario Eiland
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 5:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apps and Widgets



HI Jim,

If I remember correctly widgets were an option we could have on or 
turned off when we first set up our iPhones. If that’s something you want back 
such as the weather widget, then try the following.

Double tap twice and hold on the second tap and you will hear couple of 
tones and VoiceOver will announce “start Editing.” Scroll to the top and you 
will find an option to add a widget. Double tap on that and you will see a list 
of widgets you can add and one of those is the weather widget. That should give 
you a good start.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
portillo@gmail.com <mailto:portillo@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 2:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Apps and Widgets



Good afternoon,

I have an inquiry, so please bear with me, because I’m uncertain about 
some things.

When I received a new work iPhone, one thing I noticed was that when 
I’d put my finger on the Weather app, it would not just say “Weather”, but it 
would also give me the location and other information, such as temperatures and 
whether or not rain was expected. My own personal phone doesn’t do that when I 
touch the weather app. I have to go into it and then read about my location and 
temperature and such. Much more swiping.

I’d love to be able to have my weather app speak those things on my 
personal iPhone as well.

It’s the same with the calendar app on my work iPhone. I’ll touch it, 
and it will give me the date, and then I swipe to the right, and it lets me 
know if I have any appointments or events.

I’

RE: What Navigation App Are You Using These Days?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I also use and recommend Good Maps Outdoors. For a mainstream navigation app, I 
recently just downloaded Google’s Waze app. Not sure why Google has two 
different navigation apps, but Waze is  supposed to give more detailed 
information on things like traffic jams, round abouts and more. I haven’t used 
it yet, but I’m planning on trying it out when I’m the navigator for my wife 
when we’re driving somewhere.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 3:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What Navigation App Are You Using These Days?

good maps outdoors is a very good and easy to use app and it is free.
- Original Message -
From: joseph hudson
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: What Navigation App Are You Using These Days?

Oh wow. OK, cool. I will tell you, if there is a issue with cost, I recommend 
expressing this to Ilkka.
Joseph Hudson

EmailFaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@twc.com
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On Mar 8, 2024, at 2:28 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Joe said:
I’m working with blind students who would ideally get the right navigation app 
at little or no cost.

So, I concluded they had not purchased anything like BlindSquare yet and its 
$40 price tag is a lot for many students.

But, good point, once you have purchased an app, whether you delete it or not, 
if you redownload it, there is no charge.

HTH,
Richard, USA
"At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you."
-- Wolfgang Von Goethe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

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JAWS version 2024.2403.3


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of joseph 
hudson
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 12:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What Navigation App Are You Using These Days?

It's worth noting, that if you've already bought it, and it's just not on your 
phone. You won't need to pay for it again.


On Mar 8, 2024, at 2:03 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

However, BlindSquare is $40.
Try GoodMaps Outdoors, it is what used to be Sendero GPS and is free.


Richard, USA
"At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you."
-- Wolfgang Von Goethe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

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2024.2403.3


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What Navigation App Are You Using These Days?

BlindSquare simultaneously with Google maps. Best combo ever.
Feliciano
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On Mar 8, 2024, at 11:30 AM, Joe Orozco 
mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

What navigation/GPS apps are you using these days?

I tried Lazarillo and didn’t find it as good as I’d remembered when
it first came out. That’s purely subjective. I felt the directions
and general awareness weren’t consistent, but again, just a me thing.

I tried VoiceVista and did not find it quite as good as I’d
remembered SoundScape.

I’m going to keep working with both apps, because I’m convinced it’s
just me quickly opening apps when I need them in the moment and not
necessarily exploring them when I have a little more time to
familiarize myself with the interface.

I like Google Maps and the native Maps app, the former slightly more
for its ability to tell me if the destination is on the left or
right, but I feel as though I have to supplement these with a third
party app to get a more complete experience. In my opinion, nothing
compares to Nearby Explorer, but I’m working with blind students who
would ideally get the right navigation app at little or no cost.

Thank you kindly in advance for your recommendations and explanation
for what makes your navigation app the best one in your opinion.

Thanks,

Joe


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RE: Apps and Widgets

[Christopher Chaltain]

You can also get into edit mode by just flicking down once and double tapping.

I have the weather widget in a stacked widget, and I hear "74 degrees, cloudy, 
high of 74 degrees, low of 64 degrees" when I touch the app, so I think Mario 
is right, and that's what you need.

I'm also wondering what you get when you turn on badges in the notifications 
for the weather app.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mario 
Eiland
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 5:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apps and Widgets

HI Jim,
If I remember correctly widgets were an option we could have on or turned off 
when we first set up our iPhones. If that's something you want back such as the 
weather widget, then try the following.
Double tap twice and hold on the second tap and you will hear couple of tones 
and VoiceOver will announce "start Editing." Scroll to the top and you will 
find an option to add a widget. Double tap on that and you will see a list of 
widgets you can add and one of those is the weather widget. That should give 
you a good start.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
portillo@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 2:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apps and Widgets

Good afternoon,
I have an inquiry, so please bear with me, because I'm uncertain about some 
things.
When I received a new work iPhone, one thing I noticed was that when I'd put my 
finger on the Weather app, it would not just say "Weather", but it would also 
give me the location and other information, such as temperatures and whether or 
not rain was expected. My own personal phone doesn't do that when I touch the 
weather app. I have to go into it and then read about my location and 
temperature and such. Much more swiping.
I'd love to be able to have my weather app speak those things on my personal 
iPhone as well.
It's the same with the calendar app on my work iPhone. I'll touch it, and it 
will give me the date, and then I swipe to the right, and it lets me know if I 
have any appointments or events.
I've looked at things like settings in both apps, which really didn't do me 
much good. Then, someone asked if I had widgets on my screen for these apps, 
and I had no idea what that meant. So, I thought I'd ask.

  1.  What's a widget?
  2.  How can I make the weather app or widget speak my location's temperature 
and relevant information by just simply touching it without actually getting 
into it?
  3.  How can I get my calendar to automatically let me know if I have any 
appointments or events without always getting into it?
If these things are being done on my Work iPhone, which is a 12, I would 
imagine they can be done on a 15 Pro.
Thanks for any information.
I'm also going to see if there are any AppleVis tutorials on whatever widgets 
are.
Jim
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RE: Open-Ear or Bone Conduction Wireless Headphones for Safe Travel in Noisy High Traffic Areas

[Christopher Chaltain]

I have the Open Move from Shokz, which are great, but it may be hard to get the 
volume high enough if you have a lot of ambient noise. The Bose Frames will 
also do what you want, but they'll be a bit more expensive than your options 
from Shokz. They'll give you a bit more volume. I haven't tried the Open Fit 
from Shokz, but like the Bose Frames, they direct sound into your ear and 
they're supposed to be louder than your bone conduction options. My next 
headphones will be the Open Fit.

I'm curious about your statement about damaging your hearing would be more 
likely with headphones over a speakers. Would that really make a difference? If 
the volume is loud enough to hear over the ambient noise, would it really make 
a difference if it's coming from a speaker versus a pair of open ear 
headphones? Also, since bone conduction is skipping your ears altogether, 
wouldn't they be the safest option? I don't know about any of this. I'm just 
musing.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Open-Ear or Bone Conduction Wireless Headphones for Safe Travel in 
Noisy High Traffic Areas

Sadly, with the open ear, or bone conduction headphones, the fact that they let 
the surrounding sound in, means that if the sound is really loud, you cannot 
hear the info through the earphones.
If you could, you would probably be damaging your hearing.
The Bluetooth speaker idea should work better.
I hope folks find what they need.


Richard, USA
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
Belville
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 3:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Open-Ear or Bone Conduction Wireless Headphones for Safe Travel in 
Noisy High Traffic Areas

Alice, this sounds interesting.  Can you ask your friend what the brand of her 
speaker is?



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 3/1/2024 4:21 PM, CJ & AA MAY wrote:
> My friend has a Bluetooth speaker attached to her collar for walking outdoors 
> which she is pleased with but I don't know the make.
> Alison
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 9:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Open-Ear or Bone Conduction Wireless Headphones for Safe
> Travel in Noisy High Traffic Areas
>
> I seek two-earpiece earphones I can use while walking to hear navigation 
> guidance from an iPhone app. I need earphones that will play at a high volume 
> level while I still can hear sounds from around me because I walk streets 
> with heavy traffic. A microphone isn't essential, although would be a nice 
> option. I will appreciate  recommendations from the list.
>
> The variety of different Shokz models are confusing--their advantages and 
> disadvantages. I'm open to other brands.
>
> I've used a single-ear Voyager Legend Wireless Headset (formerly 
> Plantronics), but find the volume is insufficient with high ambient noise.
>
> I will appreciate Any assistance.
>
> Richard Petty
> richard.pe...@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
>
> I've read several messages about
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Shokz Openfit headphones
>
> The app only works with OpenFit and OPenRun Pro.  I guess that is because of 
> their newer technology.
> I have the standard OPenRun, which cost exactly half what the OprnRun Pro 
> costs.  I also have an older OpenComm headset.  I was hoping too they could 
> have extra features through the app, but they don't.
>
>
>
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>
> My web site:
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Mohib Anwar Rafay
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 7:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Shokz Openfit headphones
>
> Can I configure OpenCom in shokz app? I saw only an option to connect OpenFit 
> and no other headset.
>
> On 2/14/24, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Therein lies 

RE: Calls disconnecting, when I barely touch the screen of my iPhone.

[Christopher Chaltain]

Direct touch allows apps to provide a part of the screen where gestures aren't  
captured by voiceOver. Think of self voicing or braille keyboard aps. The 
direct touch setting allows this to be turned on or off for the app.

Screen recognition gives you access to app controls that may not be visible to 
VoiceOver. This will make some apps more usable.

If the two finger double tap doesn't hang up a call then you may need to wait a 
beat after you pull it away from your ear before using the magic tap. The 
screen needs to wake up after it's no longer next to your face so it can 
register the magic tap.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
Outman
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 5:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Calls disconnecting, when I barely touch the screen of my iPhone.

Remind me of what the purposes of direct touch and screen recognition are. I 
think direct touch may be the cause of some odd behavior I have been having 
since I got my 15 Pro back in late September.
Bill Outman

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2024, at 1:33 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>
> I believe there is an option to hang up call on pressing the side / lock 
> button. Do you think this might be your issue? I generally have the opposite 
> issue where i think I have hung up using the two finger double tap  only to 
> continue hearing sounds coming from the speaker.
>
>> On Feb 27, 2024, at 12:21 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Calls sometimes disconect, when I touch, even the edge of my iPhone.
>> What can I do to put a stop to that, please?
>>
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RE: Resetting iPhone SE second generation

[Christopher Chaltain]

If by reset you mean to restore the phone to factory settings, you can go into 
settings -> general -> transfer or reset iPhone. You can also shutdown your 
iPhone by going to settings -> general -> shutdown.

I don't have an SE, but if you want to do a hard restart then you can use the 
instructions I found at 
https://9to5mac.com/2020/04/30/how-to-force-restart-iphone-se-2020-enter-recovery-mode-dfu-more-video/

How to force restart iPhone SE
If you experience problems with your iPhone, you may need to force restart. To 
force restart the iPhone SE, perform the following steps in quick succession:

Step 1: Press and release the Volume Up button.

Step 2: Press and release the Volume Down button.

Step 3: Press and hold the Side button until your device reboots and you see a 
black screen, then release.

Keep in mind that each button press should occur in quick succession, one after 
the other. During Step 3, after pressing and  holding the Side button for 
approximately 10 seconds, the iPhone SE will force restart (hard reset).

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 8:35 PM
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Subject: Resetting iPhone SE second generation

I am currently running the iPhone SE second generation. I am running the 
highest version of iOS 16. Just wondering how you reset the iPhone second 
generation SE? Are used to use it hit the volume up volume down and hold down 
the home button. Doing this on the iPhone SE with a highest version of iOS 16 
didn't seem to reset yet. Just wondering if that has changed and if so, how do 
you do it?

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Reordering aps on my iPhone SE

[Christopher Chaltain]

I should also mention that I use the App Library less now ever since IOS added 
the spotlight search to the page switcher right about the dock. Now when I want 
to bring up a slightly used app, I just double tap on the page switcher and 
type in a few characters until the app pops up and then I double tap on it.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Reordering aps on my iPhone SE

You can move apps from your App Library just like you would any other screen. 
In other words, flick down to edit and double tap, flick down to add to drag 
session and double tap. Find where you want to drop the app on your home screen 
and flick down to drop before or after and double tap.

For me, I keep my home screens very lean and use the App Library for those apps 
I don't use all of the time. I was very happy when Apple added the App Library 
since I missed the App Drawer on Android.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Reordering aps on my iPhone SE

I think if you find it in the app library, you can flick up or down on it and 
select move to home screen or something.
I avoid the app library as much as possible.




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Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 5:12 PM
To: 'cwc' via VIPhone 
Subject: Reordering aps on my iPhone SE

[iDevices] Moving aps on my iPhone
[iDevices] Moving aps on my iPhone
Hello,  Somehow, I managed to move my phone ap from my home screen to the ap 
library.  How do I put it back in the dock?  I have an iPhone SE3 with IOS 17.2.

Thanks.

Marty Hutchings

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RE: Reordering aps on my iPhone SE

[Christopher Chaltain]

You can move apps from your App Library just like you would any other screen. 
In other words, flick down to edit and double tap, flick down to add to drag 
session and double tap. Find where you want to drop the app on your home screen 
and flick down to drop before or after and double tap.

For me, I keep my home screens very lean and use the App Library for those apps 
I don't use all of the time. I was very happy when Apple added the App Library 
since I missed the App Drawer on Android.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Reordering aps on my iPhone SE

I think if you find it in the app library, you can flick up or down on it and 
select move to home screen or something.
I avoid the app library as much as possible.




Richard, USA
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Subject: Reordering aps on my iPhone SE

[iDevices] Moving aps on my iPhone
[iDevices] Moving aps on my iPhone
Hello,  Somehow, I managed to move my phone ap from my home screen to the ap 
library.  How do I put it back in the dock?  I have an iPhone SE3 with IOS 17.2.

Thanks.

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Anyone else having major issues with the latest 17.4 public beta?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I installed the latest 17.4 public beta on my iPhone, and I'm having serious 
issues across the board. voiceOver performance is awful, especially when 
unlocking the phone and changing home screens. VoiceOver is very quiet much of 
the time, and not speaking when it did in the past. Gestures like the three 
finger swipes up and down are hit or miss, to the point where the Kindle  app 
is basically unusable for me. I've looked through my settings, and I don't see 
anything unusual. The previous 17.4 beta was fine, so I'm surprised I'm having 
so many issues with a subsequent beta. I'll start providing feedback, but I'm 
not sure where to begin. Anyone else on the latest 17.4 beta seeing any major 
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RE: WALTRPro, Apple Music, and iTunes saga with resolution

[Christopher Chaltain]

It might have worked that way a while ago. I also seem to recall that you could 
only do the beta by installing it to your phone through iTunes on your 
computer. Previously, you had to install a profile to be on the beta and then 
when you left the beta, you had to remove the profile and then wait for the 
next update. A version of IOS or two ago they changed it so you don’t need to 
mess with a profile but just toggle it on and off in the software update page.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2024 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WALTRPro, Apple Music, and iTunes saga with resolution

Several years ago, when I had been on the beta, not sure which iOS, but then I 
was told by several Apple employees you had to wipe the phone to get out of the 
beta program.
I’ve turned betas off on my phone now and so when the next release comes out to 
the public, I will see what happens.
I trust you and Sieghard know what you are talking about.




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2024 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: WALTRPro, Apple Music, and iTunes saga with resolution

No, you don’t have to wipe your phone to get rid of the beta. With both the 
current way betas work and the previous way they worked, you just have to leave 
the beta program and wait for the next release of IOS.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: WALTRPro, Apple Music, and iTunes saga with resolution

Sieghard, I was told that to truly get rid of the beta, you had to wipe the 
phone. BUT, if just turning off the beta and waiting for the next release does 
the trick, I will try that and do a backup when the public release is on my 
phone, so if I need to do a restore, I have that backup available. My 
understanding has been that you cannot use a backup made with a beta to 
restore. But, I'm kind of vague on the details...
Off to turn off the beta and see what happens.


Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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On Feb 14, 2024, at 12:03 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Richard, you could just turn off Beta downloads and then wait the 3 or 4 weeks 
until iOS 17.4 is released to the public. At that point you will get the 
official iOS 17.4 version and you'll be out of the Beta program.
I decided for now to also stop using Betas as I am going to the Philippines for 
a few weeks fairly soon and I won't always have good internet connections and 
just don't want to deal with often weekly Beta updates so I did what I 
described above just before iOS 17.3 was officially released. When it did come 
out for the public I had the upddate just as everybody else, now I just had 
that small iOS 17.3.1 update Apple released, but otherwise I am off the beta 
program for now. It's a lot easier than completely resetting your phone.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 12:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: WALTRPro, Apple Music, and iTunes saga with resolution

I did not realize what a headache I was in for when I installed the Apple Music 
app.
After that, iTunes only shows Podcasts and audio books.  I have neither.

Further more, WALTRPro couldn’t see my iTunes library even though it was in the 
same place as always.

I got realy frustrated and uninstalled the Apple Music app, and Apple Devices 
app.  I had not yet installed the Apple TV app.

I then uninstalled iTunes.
I tried installing iTunes from Microsoft, but when I then ran WALTRPro it said 
the version of iTunes I have is not compatible I need to download the one from 
Apple, after uninstalling the Microsoft Store version.

I got that uninstalled, and allowed WALTRPro to download the Apple version.

I installed that, and miracle of miracles, my library is back in iTunes, with 

RE: WALTRPro, Apple Music, and iTunes saga with resolution

[Christopher Chaltain]

No, you don’t have to wipe your phone to get rid of the beta. With both the 
current way betas work and the previous way they worked, you just have to leave 
the beta program and wait for the next release of IOS.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WALTRPro, Apple Music, and iTunes saga with resolution

Sieghard, I was told that to truly get rid of the beta, you had to wipe the 
phone. BUT, if just turning off the beta and waiting for the next release does 
the trick, I will try that and do a backup when the public release is on my 
phone, so if I need to do a restore, I have that backup available. My 
understanding has been that you cannot use a backup made with a beta to 
restore. But, I'm kind of vague on the details...
Off to turn off the beta and see what happens.


Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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On Feb 14, 2024, at 12:03 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Richard, you could just turn off Beta downloads and then wait the 3 or 4 weeks 
until iOS 17.4 is released to the public. At that point you will get the 
official iOS 17.4 version and you'll be out of the Beta program.
I decided for now to also stop using Betas as I am going to the Philippines for 
a few weeks fairly soon and I won't always have good internet connections and 
just don't want to deal with often weekly Beta updates so I did what I 
described above just before iOS 17.3 was officially released. When it did come 
out for the public I had the upddate just as everybody else, now I just had 
that small iOS 17.3.1 update Apple released, but otherwise I am off the beta 
program for now. It's a lot easier than completely resetting your phone.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 12:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WALTRPro, Apple Music, and iTunes saga with resolution

I did not realize what a headache I was in for when I installed the Apple Music 
app.
After that, iTunes only shows Podcasts and audio books.  I have neither.

Further more, WALTRPro couldn’t see my iTunes library even though it was in the 
same place as always.

I got realy frustrated and uninstalled the Apple Music app, and Apple Devices 
app.  I had not yet installed the Apple TV app.

I then uninstalled iTunes.
I tried installing iTunes from Microsoft, but when I then ran WALTRPro it said 
the version of iTunes I have is not compatible I need to download the one from 
Apple, after uninstalling the Microsoft Store version.

I got that uninstalled, and allowed WALTRPro to download the Apple version.

I installed that, and miracle of miracles, my library is back in iTunes, with 
my music.  WALTRPro works again.  And until I am forced to change, this is the 
setup I am sticking with.  It is far, far easier to sync zip files of audio 
books to my iPhone or iPad to use with Voice Dream Reader using WALTRPro than 
with iTunes.  That is almost all I use WALTRPro for.  Sometimes to sync an 
eBook or another file to Voice Dream Reader.

Now that I have accomplished this, I’m tempted to wipe my phone to get rid of 
the iOS beta and start fresh and forget screwing with betas since that messes 
up doing backups, etc.



Richard, USA
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RE: Siri is having issues

[Christopher Chaltain]

I recently experienced what Richard describes for the first time this past 
weekend. I assumed it was related to the IOS 17.4 beta. For me, I resolved it 
by tapping the listen button. It's worked for me ever since then.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
Grossoehme
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Siri is having issues


Richard I've had that happen many times.  Sometimes, she is slow for some 
reason and has lost her connection.  Sometimes it takes logging out and back in 
to solve the Siri problem.  Every since IOS17 this has been happening to me.  
It seems to be more of a problem on my home pod then the phone.

Dave


On 2/10/2024 1:00 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
I just asked Siri a couple questions, it just made a noise that sounded like 
someone tapping on a metal drum, then said, something went wrong. I launched 
the Amazon Alexa app and asked Alexa, and got an answer. I went back to Siri 
and got the same noise and something went wrong. That tells me it is not my 
wi-fi,  but the Siri server.


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RE: WALTRPro, Apple Music, and iTunes saga with resolution

[Christopher Chaltain]

Just as an FYI, but Apple Music's web interface is pretty accessible.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 5:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WALTRPro, Apple Music, and iTunes saga with resolution

Hi Richard,

Wow, what a mess that must have been!
I was seriously considering using the new Appel Music App.
So, thank you for the heads up.

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 2:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WALTRPro, Apple Music, and iTunes saga with resolution

I did not realize what a headache I was in for when I installed the Apple Music 
app.
After that, iTunes only shows Podcasts and audio books.  I have neither.

Further more, WALTRPro couldn't see my iTunes library even though it was in the 
same place as always.

I got realy frustrated and uninstalled the Apple Music app, and Apple Devices 
app.  I had not yet installed the Apple TV app.

I then uninstalled iTunes.
I tried installing iTunes from Microsoft, but when I then ran WALTRPro it said 
the version of iTunes I have is not compatible I need to download the one from 
Apple, after uninstalling the Microsoft Store version.

I got that uninstalled, and allowed WALTRPro to download the Apple version.

I installed that, and miracle of miracles, my library is back in iTunes, with 
my music.  WALTRPro works again.  And until I am forced to change, this is the 
setup I am sticking with.  It is far, far easier to sync zip files of audio 
books to my iPhone or iPad to use with Voice Dream Reader using WALTRPro than 
with iTunes.  That is almost all I use WALTRPro for.  Sometimes to sync an 
eBook or another file to Voice Dream Reader.

Now that I have accomplished this, I'm tempted to wipe my phone to get rid of 
the iOS beta and start fresh and forget screwing with betas since that messes 
up doing backups, etc.



Richard, USA
"Grandma always told us, "Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it."
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

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RE: Navigation App Recommendation

[Christopher Chaltain]

I think Good Maps Outdoors let’s you mark locations, but I haven’t used that 
feature myself.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 3:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Navigation App Recommendation

Not to mention how long does the battery last?

Using Voice Vista or another app that lets you mark a location might make more 
sense.
Soundscape Community is another one based on Microsoft’s Soundscape.
They are both free.




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 1:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Navigation App Recommendation

I wonder if air tags would go 200 yards.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
donmoor...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Navigation App Recommendation

You’d think an air tag on the mailbox might help too maybe.



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Eric 
Caron
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 2:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Navigation App Recommendation


Try Voice Vista and set up markers and beacons.

Eric


On Feb 11, 2024, at 10:31 AM, MMMAT 
mailto:mmm...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I have a friend that lives in a very rural area.  His problem is that it is 
quite a long walk from his trailer home to the mailbox and there are no paved 
roads where he is walking. The distance from his home to the mailbox is 
approximately 200 yards of unpaved roads.

Sometimes, he gets disoriented and is looking for an iPhone App that he can use 
to find the way to and from his home to the mailbox and back.  What are your 
recommendations based on your experiences using a navigation app for these 
purposes.  Something easy to set up and use is a priority.

Regards,
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RE: Talking Blood Pressure Machine

[Christopher Chaltain]

I got a talking blood pressure wrist cuff from Amazon. We just searched on 
talking blood pressure. I can't tell if you'd be OK with a wrist cuff form 
factor or not.

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Subject: RE: Talking Blood Pressure Machine

I got a pretty nice one on the Walmart website.



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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking Blood Pressure Machine

I think dale at Blind Mice mart sells them. I think they're available at many 
of our vendors like Maxi aids or ls


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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 3:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Talking Blood Pressure Machine

Greetings All!
Wondered if any one knew where to buy a Talking blood pressure machine?
Also Maybe a link to it?
Thanks for reading and have a Great Sunday!

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RE: Be My AI and cookbooks

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I was killing time in a bookstore when my wife was shopping, and I started 
pointing Be My Eyes at bookshelves and pulling random books off of the shelves, 
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My wife has shelves and shelves of cookbooks so I thought I'd shoot a page or 
to with Be My AI and have been getting some amazing results. The program isn't 
designed to be a text or document reader but it does amazingly well 
considering. I've been trying to find a way to get the text results from the 
Iphone into something I could transfer to e-mail or some other way to get it 
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RE: Asking Siri to restart this device

[Christopher Chaltain]

Asking Siri to restart your phone is a soft reset. This is just a normal 
restart of a device, like hitting the restart button on Windows.

A hard reset forces a device to restart against it's will, such as when it's 
hung or frozen. This is equivalent to holding down the power button on a PC 
until it restarts.

A factory reset wipes your phone clean and restores it to the way it was when 
it was shipped, although I think it does end up with the latest IOS.

And all you want to know about resets is at 
https://www.payetteforward.com/how-to-reset-an-iphone-comprehensive-guide/

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 3:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Asking Siri to restart this device

Which brings me to the question of what's the difference between these 2 types 
of resets? Which would be equivalent to powering the phone off, and back on?
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 18 ene 2024, a la(s) 3:09 p.m., Chela Robles  
> escribió:
>
> It's a soft reset. Also you can tell Siri to shut down this device to turn 
> it off but note you have to manually start it.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 12:48 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I do not find anything that specifies which it is.
>> I would assume a soft reset, but you know what happens when you assume.
>> I'd suggest calling apple Accessibility: 877-204-3930
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>>
>> My web site:
>> https://www/.
>> turner42.com%2F=05%7C02%7C%7C9c6f32599017456683f208dc186a9b17%7C
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Keith Kramlinger
>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 12:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Asking Siri to restart this device
>>
>> Hi,
>> When asking Siri to restart this device, is that a hard reset or a soft 
>> reset?
>> Thanks in advance. Keith
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RE: Forwarding Text Messages?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I think that just forwards a text message to someone as a text message. There's 
a copy option if you want to paste the text into something, such as an email 
message, and forward it that way.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2024 10:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Forwarding Text Messages?

Yes.  Flick up on the message with one finger to More and double tap.
Then, flick right until you get to delete then forward.
Double tap on forward.
I don't know if that forwards the entire conversation if there is more than one 
message...

HTH,




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Is there a way to forward a text message?

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RE: keyboard disappearing issue on Iphone. Help needed.

[Christopher Chaltain]

Is it possible you have a Bluetooth keyboard around somewhere?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Yohandy 
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Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2023 2:37 PM
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Subject: keyboard disappearing issue on Iphone. Help needed.

Hey all,
I've been having this weird issue for a while now, whereby Iphone's keyboard 
randomly vanishes. sometimes it's there, and sometimes not. It happens on any 
app, and I can't figure out what causes this or how to fix it. Sometimes 
double-tapping and holding on a text field brings it back, but not always. Any 
help would be much appreciated.
thanks in advanced, and tc all!
Yohandy

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RE: How can I make Voiceover output through attached Bluetooth speaker?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Also, what about the audio destination option in the roter? Doesn’t this 
determine where the VoiceOver output is going? Unfortunately, I can’t test it 
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Subject: Re: How can I make Voiceover output through attached Bluetooth speaker?

This is just a guess, but in your bluetooth settings on your phone, have you 
tried flicking up on that speaker to more info and changing the type to 
headphone? I'm thinking that would put all sound including VO through the 
speaker.
HTH,


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On Dec 31, 2023, at 6:32 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

Apologies for revisiting a previously discussed topic but as you know, audio 
changes with these devices seem constant and not usually for the better in my 
opinion. I’m running iOS 17.2 on an iPhone 13 Mini. If I want to share 
something on my device with someone who also uses a screen reader and want 
Voiceover to come through an attached Bluetooth Tribit MaxSound Plus Speaker, 
is there a way to do this? I suspect the answer might vary depending on the 
speaker being used. What I’m currently experiencing is that Voiceover is coming 
through the iPhone’s built in speakers and audio from a book playing in BARD 
Mobile or other media content such as music comes through the attached Tribit 
speaker. Is there some sort of setting tweak I can make that will get me where 
I want?

I welcome any suggestions or recommendations to resolve this and thanks in 
advance for your help.

Alan Lemly
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RE: Having trouble installing the Healthy Benefits Plus app on my iPhone help please.

[Christopher Chaltain]

After you double tap the get button, you want to press the side button on the 
right hand side quickly. On my phone, it does a facial recognition, so you’ll 
need to have the phone in front of your face. After that, the get button should 
change to downloading.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 12:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Having trouble installing the Healthy Benefits Plus app on my iPhone 
help please.

I go to where I type in the information and then go to the one that talks about 
the information on the app I double tap on get and then it talked about concern 
confirm which side button I double tap on that and it’s not downloading it just 
keeps saying get so this is where I need help please.
Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
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RE: Sirius app update improvements and observations

[Christopher Chaltain]

True, the order does seem quite bizarre.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
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Your method seems to be the only way to really narrow it down to the NFL teams, 
but it would be much better if they put them in alphabetical order.

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On Dec 22, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I find the easiest way to find the list of NFL team channels is still the way I 
posted last week. I go into the search tab and type NFL in the search field. 
The team channels are the first thing to come up.

I also noticed that in the discovery tab, you can flick down by heading to get 
to an around the NFL section to get to other NFL related content, but it 
doesn’t seem to include the team channels. At the top I see several live and 
upcoming sections for the NBA, college football and so on. I wonder if a live 
and upcoming MFL section will pop up tomorrow when we have NFL games.

Note that across the top you’ll see what you last played, followed by connect 
to device, play and settings. Below that you’ll see the buttons for you, music, 
talk and podcasts, sports and so on. If you don’t see this row of buttons then 
you may need to tap on the go back button at the  top of the page several times 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2023 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations

Hi Wayne,

I downloaded the update today and I am still confused. I am having a great 
difficulty getting to the NFL play by play area. I keep getting the last 
station played player open without playing and I cannot get rid of it, even if 
I close the app and restart it.
On 12/22/2023 5:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
Greetings. For the Sirius/XM app users on list, there was an update today which 
has some accessibility enhancements. After installing the update, I found 
headings showed up in different places within the app, such as on the Discover 
tab when navigating among sections of the screen. I also found headings on 
screens for channels I would like to listen to. Granted, I haven’t explored all 
parts of the app, and it will take some experimenting but this was a welcome 
surprise. Especially when so many people, including me, were upset with the 
recent major update which changed a lot of things and brought many unlabeled 
buttons. Sirius is my main source for NFL games, and I like their weekly 
countdown shows on the 80’s and 90’s channels. I wish they gave us more of a 
traditional means of organizing favorites with the edit/done buttons and being 
able to reorder favorites with rodor actions. Oh well. Hopefully the app will 
continue to improve. There are a lot of things I really like about the main 
Sirius/XM app which one does not get from the more simplified StarPlayerX app.

Happy Holidays,
Wayne
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RE: Seeing own messages from Google

[Christopher Chaltain]

I see that Max's email address is gmail.com. If someone posts to a Google 
Groups mailing list from a Gmail address then they won't get a copy of their 
message. It's just the way Google Groups works. This is independent of the mail 
client being used. I assume it's because Google Groups assumes you know you 
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From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 5:38 PM
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Subject: RE: Seeing own messages from Google

Hello Max,

I do not know why the native Mac OS email client does not show one's own posts 
to Google Groups; I only know that, it is so. And, has been so for many, many 
years.

I can assure you that Apple has received many bug reports on this and, afar as 
I am aware, they have not taken steps to resolve the issue.

Now that I think about it, there was a time when the native iOS mail client 
behaved the same way but, for whatever reason, the issue was resolved, quite a 
while ago.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Max
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 12:21 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: Re: Seeing own messages from Google

Hi Mark,
how is the Apple software a problem.
I am reading the messages on a Mac and have no problems seeing messages I send 
to other groups other than Google.
I am not doubting you just am interested why this is so.
Thanks for all you do.
Max.

> On 26 Dec 2023, at 16:52, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Max,
> 
> You can Cc (carbon copy) yourself on messages sent to the group in order to 
> insure that they were, at least, sent out to the gMail servers.
> 
> Please note that the fact that you can not automatically see messages posted 
> to the Google group is a function of the Apple software and not some kind of 
> limitation of Google.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Max
> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2023 2:27 PM
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> Subject: Seeing own messages from Google
> 
> Hi all,
> I may have asked this question before if I did I am sorry but I have 
> forgotten the answer.
> How can I see my own messages I send to Google groups?
> Thanks for any help.
> Max.
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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

[Christopher Chaltain]

The three and four taps work pretty reliably for me whether I have sleep mode 
on or not. I have an SE, and I do have sleep when wrist down set to on.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 7:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.


On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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RE: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

[Christopher Chaltain]

I can think of several reasons why a wi-fi connected smoke alarm would be 
useful. You could check the status of the battery, be notified when the device 
needs to be replaced, perform an self test and get notified when the alarm goes 
off even if you aren’t at home. Obviously none of these are needed.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 1:06 AM
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Subject: RE: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

No offense, but why does a smoke detector need to be accessible? They have 1 
purpose only, make a loud noise when they detect smoke.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Debbie 
April Yuille
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

Hi All

Does anyone know which Wi-Fi smoke detectors have apps that are accessible with 
Voice Over?

Cheers and happy holidays.
Debbie
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RE: Sirius app update improvements and observations

[Christopher Chaltain]

I find the easiest way to find the list of NFL team channels is still the way I 
posted last week. I go into the search tab and type NFL in the search field. 
The team channels are the first thing to come up.

I also noticed that in the discovery tab, you can flick down by heading to get 
to an around the NFL section to get to other NFL related content, but it 
doesn’t seem to include the team channels. At the top I see several live and 
upcoming sections for the NBA, college football and so on. I wonder if a live 
and upcoming MFL section will pop up tomorrow when we have NFL games.

Note that across the top you’ll see what you last played, followed by connect 
to device, play and settings. Below that you’ll see the buttons for you, music, 
talk and podcasts, sports and so on. If you don’t see this row of buttons then 
you may need to tap on the go back button at the  top of the page several times 
to get back to this page.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2023 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations

Hi Wayne,

I downloaded the update today and I am still confused. I am having a great 
difficulty getting to the NFL play by play area. I keep getting the last 
station played player open without playing and I cannot get rid of it, even if 
I close the app and restart it.
On 12/22/2023 5:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
Greetings. For the Sirius/XM app users on list, there was an update today which 
has some accessibility enhancements. After installing the update, I found 
headings showed up in different places within the app, such as on the Discover 
tab when navigating among sections of the screen. I also found headings on 
screens for channels I would like to listen to. Granted, I haven’t explored all 
parts of the app, and it will take some experimenting but this was a welcome 
surprise. Especially when so many people, including me, were upset with the 
recent major update which changed a lot of things and brought many unlabeled 
buttons. Sirius is my main source for NFL games, and I like their weekly 
countdown shows on the 80’s and 90’s channels. I wish they gave us more of a 
traditional means of organizing favorites with the edit/done buttons and being 
able to reorder favorites with rodor actions. Oh well. Hopefully the app will 
continue to improve. There are a lot of things I really like about the main 
Sirius/XM app which one does not get from the more simplified StarPlayerX app.

Happy Holidays,
Wayne
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RE: problem deleting apps using VoiceOver

[Christopher Chaltain]

This is just a pointless correction, but remove takes it off your home page. 
Every app is already in the App Store.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 1:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: problem deleting apps using VoiceOver

Remove and delete are different. Remove moves it to the App Library. Delete 
completely deletes it from your device.


Richard, USA
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On Dec 21, 2023, at 10:48 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
mailto:als5...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Another way to delete apps is to triple tap the app you want to delete. Remove 
app then will be one  of the choices.

Arnold Schmidt
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:23 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Go to settings at the top in the search field type the word edit then click 
right to
Edit Apps on Home Screen, Accessibility → VoiceOver → Rotor

The search field under settings is your friend whenever you're not sure what 
needs to be enabled or disabled.

Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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On Dec 21, 2023, at 10:04 AM, Ryan Mann 
mailto:rmann0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello.  I was trying to help a student delete apps that she no longer needs 
using VoiceOver.  When she finds an app on the Home screen, I told her to flick 
down with one finger until VoiceOver says edit.  However, the only thing she 
gets is “activate.”. I tried this on her phone myself to make sure she wasn’t 
doing the gesture wrong and I got the same result.  I have no problem deleting 
apps this way on my phone.  I am using an iPhone XR and she is using an iPhone 
SE.  I believe it is the SE 2020.  Is there a setting on her phone that we can 
change to make this work properly?
Thanks for any help.
Ryan Mann
Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist
rmann0...@gmail.com
386-383-5175

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RE: charging device - does this exist?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I went to AT Guys to find a portable charger I bought from them a while ago, 
and I didn't see exactly what I have. I did find the following, which seems 
like what you might be looking for. Dual USB C & USB A 38Watt PD Wall Charger : 
A. T. Guys, Your Access Technology Experts 
(atguys.com)

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 9:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: charging device - does this exist?

Here is the description from Amazon of the one I bought a few months ago and 
love it!  It works fine on my Dell Laptop and with any and all USB A plugs I 
have connected for charging or data.  I'll explain more after the description 
and then I will give the link.

Amazon.com: Anker 10 Port 60W Data Hub with 7 USB 3.0 Ports and 3 PowerIQ 
Charging Ports for MacBook, Mac Pro/Mini, iMac, XPS, Surface Pro, iPhone 7, 6s
Plus, iPad Air 2, Galaxy Series, Mobile HDD, and More : Electronics

It is less than 2 inches wide, and less than 6 inches long.
It plugs into the wall and has a USB-A cord that is very short for plugging 
into your computer if you want to plug in accessories to connect to your 
computer.

The three ports farthest from the cord that goes to the wall are for data 
transfer only, and don't charge.
But the first 7 from that Wall cord both handle data and charging.
I have my external CD Rom plugged in, my usb headset, usb speakers and my USB 
dongle for my keyboard and more.
They also make one with a USBC plug to the computer and USBC ports, but I have 
mostly the older USB-A devices.
Here is the Amazon link:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VDVCQ84/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1

HTH,

Richard, USA
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of R Van 
Lant
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 6:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: charging device - does this exist?

Hi,
I typically charge my iPhones, battery packs,  and such with a single cable 
plugged into a block plugged into the extension cord or directly into the 
outlet.  What I'd ideally  like is a sort of USB extension  cord where I can 
plug one end into a hard to reach outlet, then have a hub of USB ports where I 
can plug in several devices, rather than managing a number of those bulky 
blocks and an extension cord.   Does this kind of thing exist and what would it 
be called for an Amazon or Walmart search?  Any considerations to keep in mind 
as I'm selecting one?  I feared that if I searched for "USB hub", I'd end up 
with the kind that is used to plug a bunch of peripherals into a computer and I 
don't think that is the right thing. I need the hub to plug into AC power to 
charge my devices.

TIA,
Robin
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RE: SiriusXm issue

[Christopher Chaltain]

I didn't see this until now. I'm generally optimistic, and I look forward to 
the update, but I'll believe it when I see it!

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 9:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SiriusXm issue

Colby,
Did you see Rich Desento's comment quoting a VP from Sirius about them being 
aware of the accessibility issues and plan to have a fix this week ...?
I wrote Rich and asked how he got in tough with people directly but got no 
response.  The person who responded to him seems to be on Linkin but I don't 
have a Linkin account to try and contact him

Just in case, I'll copy his note here:
My name is Saverio Mondelli and I'm the VP of Subscriber Experience for 
SiriusXM's Streaming Products. Thank you for your outreach yesterday regarding 
our new SiriusXM app. I do apologize that you're experiencing difficulties 
using the application. That is certainly not the experience that we hope to 
provide. Please know that accessibility is deeply important to us.
We're currently working through a variety of issues related to accessibility in 
our iOS/Android and web experiences, many of which will drastically improve the 
challenging experience that you identified in your email. iOS in particular 
will receive updates next week at the latest that will resolve many of the 
issues you highlighted.
Thank you again for your outreach and please feel free to reach out to me 
directly if you have any questions, concerns, or general suggestions.
I love hearing from our users and understanding how we can make their 
experience with our products better.
Best regards!
-Saverio




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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kolby 
Garrison
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 4:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SiriusXm issue

Hi, Richard,
I have also reported the inaccessibility of the newly updated SiriusXM app to 
SiriusXM via telephone call and online chat.
Like you, I experienced the same scenarios of listener care representatives not 
understanding inaccessibility, screen reading software, unlabeled buttons, ETC.
Please do keep us updated if you are able to make any progress with 
communicating with someone in accessibility.
I am happy to assist with providing feedback.
Thank you,
Kolby

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SiriusXm issue

In an attempt to trouble shoot all the unlabeled buttons in the new update to 
Sirius XM, I tried Screen Recognition.
No joy.

I'll wait for sighted help to see if anyone can read the buttons...




Richard, USA
"Grandma always told us, "Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it."
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
jimfettgat...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 10:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SiriusXm issue

May I say that after many years of using StarPlayrX, I am also getting this 
login error.
I hope it might be temporary, time will tell.
Thanks.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
Steele
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 10:07 AM
To: IPhone List 
Subject: SiriusXm issue

Hello Listers,

Recently, there was discussion about the forthcoming "improved" SiriusXM APP 
due for release today. So far, there's been no change. However, I also use the 
simple StarplayrX APP, and, today, when opening the APP, I received an error 
message that because of so many incorrect logins, I've been blocked from the 
APP for 24 hours. I don't recall these "incorrect logins", and wonder if the 
APP may have been shut down temporarily, or permanently. Any thoughts from 
other users?


+Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

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RE: Strange issue

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, I also see this with the Outlook app but not the native IOS Mail app.

BTW, I'd suggest a better more descriptive subject line.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 9:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Strange issue

I gather you are using the Outlook app not the native mail app, is that correct?




Richard, USA
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Laury, 
Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 7:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Strange issue

Good to know that someone else knows what I'm referring to. Come to think of it 
this doesn't happen on my personal phone and gmail. This happens on my work 
phone for which we use outlook. Thank you and I will contact them as well.

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CAUTION: This is an External email. Please send suspicious emails to 
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I reported this as a bug to Microsoft a while ago. I've not had any updates.



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Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 8:36 AM
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Subject: Strange issue

Hello when in outlook and deleting emails from my iPhone, voiceover says item 
deleted and a few seconds later it repeats. This delay makes it a slower 
process when going through emails on the phone. If anyone knows why this is 
happening or how to fix it please let me know.

Thanks



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RE: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

[Christopher Chaltain]

On my iPhone, in settings -> focus, I have it set so that when my focus changes 
on my iPhone, it'll change on my watch. On the watch, in settings -> general -> 
focus, you can set it to mirror the focus on your iPhone. I don't have my watch 
with me right now, but I'd check to see if there's a way to toggle focus in the 
control panel.

BTW, I used the health app to set up my sleep schedule, so my iPhone goes into 
sleep mode on a regular week day and weekend schedule. You can also add and 
configure different focuses in settings -> focus, on your iPhone.

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From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2



Hi all,

How do I put the apple watch in sleep mode.
Is there such a thing.

Thanks.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 02:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Interesting. I'm not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don't have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there's another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I'll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven't checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I'm a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily "sleep" focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don't understand is that why we can't use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
"Speak Time" to "Control with silent mode" instead of "Always".
According to the article, if you don't use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


Best regards,
Sieghard
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RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

[Christopher Chaltain]

I also have an SE. I wouldn't think this would make any difference, but maybe 
this plays into it somehow.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2


On my Apple Watch SE I have never been able to use taptic time using 1 finger 
double taps.  I have always had to use the 3 and 4 taps.



I have also turned VO off and tried the 2 finger tap and hold and I have never 
gotten that to work either.  Poor sighted folks. :)



Dan Beaver

Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA
On 12/16/2023 2:29 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Interesting. I'm not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don't have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there's another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I'll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven't checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I'm a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily "sleep" focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don't understand is that why we can't use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
"Speak Time" to "Control with silent mode" instead of "Always".
According to the article, if you don't use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


Best regards,
Sieghard
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RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

[Christopher Chaltain]

Interesting. I'm not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don't have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there's another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I'll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven't checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I'm a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily "sleep" focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don't understand is that why we can't use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
"Speak Time" to "Control with silent mode" instead of "Always".
According to the article, if you don't use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support


Best regards,
Sieghard
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RE: Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8

[Christopher Chaltain]

I had to go into the App Store and after going into my account I flicked up 
with three fingers to refresh my apps that had an update, and it showed up then.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
Downey
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 7:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8

HI folks,

I've got an iPhone 8 and have not seen an update for Sirius XM today. The app 
seems the same to me and there is nothing in my account under recently updated 
apps. Is the update geared toward iPhones that can run IOS 17?

Thanks!

Debbie
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RE: My Analysis Of the SiriusXM and StarplayrX Apps

[Christopher Chaltain]

To get to the NFL channels, I was able to go into the search tab, type NFL in 
the search field and then tap the last unlabeled button to get to all of the 
team channels. Of course, I also have some of these channels marked as 
favorites, so they show up in my library.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 7:01 PM
To: ViPhone List 
Subject: My Analysis Of the SiriusXM and StarplayrX Apps

Hi Group,

I sent this one to another list, but that is a more general tech list and not 
an Apple list.

Hi Group,

I also got the error with the StarplayrX app. It says 'error logging in; your 
IP address has been blocked for 24 hours because of too many log-in errors.'  
This is odd because I can still log in with my SiriusXM App and can connect 
without any issues.

As concerns the SiriusXM app itself, it is a definite decline in accessibility. 
I can get to many areas, but the app is much more graphical and has a huge 
amount of clutter that VoiceOver just doesn't handle properly. When I wanted to 
go to the NFL portion of sports, it took me five minutes to do this. Now maybe 
I'll get used to it and it will take less time over the next weeks and months, 
but it is bad in several ways. I am not sure,but I think that the screens are 
like a roller item because once I am on a particular page, I never seem to 
reach the tabs at the bottom. I see the various tabs, but I used to do a three 
finger swipe a few times and get to the bottom where the tabs were located or I 
could move slowly with one finger over the screen until I reach an area near 
the bottom and I would see the tabs. It is as if the tabs are moving or in the 
middle of the page or something I am not sure of.  Using the three finger swipe 
up and down to turn pages is now essential, but it is never as accurate as 
using the single finger left/right to move item by item.  More and more apps 
seem to be switching to this method and display more information per screen but 
give you less movement with screen reader commands.  Spectrum TV app changed to 
that kind of interface in September and I am finally getting somewhat use to 
it. It is still much more difficult and less accurate to get to a particular 
station than it used to be.

I have reported this via the settings/feedback to both the SiriusXM App and the 
StarplayrX app developers and hopefully (I doubt it) they may be able to 
restore some accessibility.  Yes, the items generally speaking do read and 
identify, so given enough time, I can find things.

When I first logged onto the SiriusXM app, it asked me to enable Siri for the 
app. I thought this might enable me to give a command such as:
Siri, open the NFL portion of the SiriusXM app' but this does not work.
I wonder what you can do with the SiriusXM app and Siri.

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RE: SiriusXm issue

[Christopher Chaltain]

Not sure how many people will agree with me, but I really like the new SiriusXM 
app. There were things about the old app that I really hated, and I try not to 
use that word. If I couldn't bring up something on my smart speaker then I 
would dread having to bring up my app to look for something. This new app seems 
a lot simpler and more intuitive to me. I've found two places with unlabeled 
buttons, but it wasn't hard to figure out what they did. Not sure if I can add 
VoiceOver labels or not. I had issues with the previous app, but at least for 
me, the issues with the new app are more palatable.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
Steele
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 1:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SiriusXm issue

Thanks Christopher. It didn't show up in today's updates for my iPhone. Also, 
I'm still not able to log into the Starplayrx App that's meant to be the more 
user-friendly Sirius app. In that APP, once you're logged in, you're always 
logged in, that is, until this morning. Thanks for what you've been able to 
share thus far.




> On Dec 14, 2023, at 2:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
>
> The reports I'm seeing on Mastodon are not encouraging. No one has said they 
> can't use it, but they are complaining about accessibility. I'm sure I'll be 
> checking it out soon.
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 12:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: SiriusXm issue
>
> I haven't seen the new update yet either, but I've been tooting with someone 
> on Mastodon who is using it, and his biggest complaint so far seems to be 
> unlabeled buttons. That's only been a few hundred of characters exchanged, so 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
> Steele
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> Subject: SiriusXm issue
>
> Hello Listers,
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> Recently, there was discussion about the forthcoming "improved" SiriusXM APP 
> due for release today. So far, there's been no change. However, I also use 
> the simple StarplayrX APP, and, today, when opening the APP, I received an 
> error message that because of so many incorrect logins, I've been blocked 
> from the APP for 24 hours. I don't recall these "incorrect logins", and 
> wonder if the APP may have been shut down temporarily, or permanently. Any 
> thoughts from other users?
>
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RE: SiriusXm issue

[Christopher Chaltain]

The reports I'm seeing on Mastodon are not encouraging. No one has said they 
can't use it, but they are complaining about accessibility. I'm sure I'll be 
checking it out soon.

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-Original Message-
From: Christopher Chaltain
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Subject: RE: SiriusXm issue

I haven't seen the new update yet either, but I've been tooting with someone on 
Mastodon who is using it, and his biggest complaint so far seems to be 
unlabeled buttons. That's only been a few hundred of characters exchanged, so 
don't read too much into that.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
Steele
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 12:07 PM
To: IPhone List 
Subject: SiriusXm issue

Hello Listers,

Recently, there was discussion about the forthcoming "improved" SiriusXM APP 
due for release today. So far, there's been no change. However, I also use the 
simple StarplayrX APP, and, today, when opening the APP, I received an error 
message that because of so many incorrect logins, I've been blocked from the 
APP for 24 hours. I don't recall these "incorrect logins", and wonder if the 
APP may have been shut down temporarily, or permanently. Any thoughts from 
other users?


+Peace & Blessings,
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RE: SiriusXm issue

[Christopher Chaltain]

I haven't seen the new update yet either, but I've been tooting with someone on 
Mastodon who is using it, and his biggest complaint so far seems to be 
unlabeled buttons. That's only been a few hundred of characters exchanged, so 
don't read too much into that.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
Steele
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 12:07 PM
To: IPhone List 
Subject: SiriusXm issue

Hello Listers,

Recently, there was discussion about the forthcoming "improved" SiriusXM APP 
due for release today. So far, there's been no change. However, I also use the 
simple StarplayrX APP, and, today, when opening the APP, I received an error 
message that because of so many incorrect logins, I've been blocked from the 
APP for 24 hours. I don't recall these "incorrect logins", and wonder if the 
APP may have been shut down temporarily, or permanently. Any thoughts from 
other users?


+Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

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RE: How to get rid of somebody’s email address that is no longer valid

[Christopher Chaltain]

Go into your email and type the first part of his name. Hit the down arrow to 
move down through the list of suggestions and hit the delete key on the address 
you want to remove from your recents list.

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Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 4:38 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: How to get rid of somebody’s email address that is no longer valid

I want to delete an email address that belonged to my husband. He changed it to 
something different. I changed it in the contact I have for him on the phone. 
But when I go into email and type the first part of his name, that old address 
still shows up. I know there’s a way to get rid of it. I don’t remember, and I 
have looked through the Mail settings and found nothing that looked like what I 
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RE: Haptic time

[Christopher Chaltain]

I just checked and zoom is off.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Haptic time

You don't have Zoom on do you?

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On Dec 13, 2023, at 10:27 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:
It works fairly reliably for me, but like I said, I do a three finger tap to 
get the time and a four finger tap to get the minutes. I don't know why I need 
three and four taps while others can use two and three taps. I find I also need 
the screen to be off, so if I'm not sure, I'll lift my wrist a bit and then 
drop it back down before tapping my phone. I'd also suggest practicing a bit. 
It took me a while to get down the pace of my tapping, for example, I tap a bit 
slower when getting my time hapticly then I do when I tap on an object on the 
screen.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one of 
the recent updates.
I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...




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-Original Message-
From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Haptic time



Christopher,

Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch.

But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.

Smile.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
is true for anyone else.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Parham 
Doustdar
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Haptic time

Hi,
Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me just 
the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
Hope that helps.


On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus 
mailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello list

I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture settings?

Regards

Fanus


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RE: Haptic time

[Christopher Chaltain]

It works fairly reliably for me, but like I said, I do a three finger tap to 
get the time and a four finger tap to get the minutes. I don't know why I need 
three and four taps while others can use two and three taps. I find I also need 
the screen to be off, so if I'm not sure, I'll lift my wrist a bit and then 
drop it back down before tapping my phone. I'd also suggest practicing a bit. 
It took me a while to get down the pace of my tapping, for example, I tap a bit 
slower when getting my time hapticly then I do when I tap on an object on the 
screen.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one of 
the recent updates.
I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...




Richard, USA
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-Original Message-
From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time



Christopher,

Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch.

But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.

Smile.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
is true for anyone else.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Parham 
Doustdar
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Haptic time

Hi,
Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me just 
the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
Hope that helps.

> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>
> Hello list
>
> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
> settings?
>
> Regards
>
> Fanus
>
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RE: Haptic time

[Christopher Chaltain]

I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
is true for anyone else.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Parham 
Doustdar
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Haptic time

Hi,
Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me just 
the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
Hope that helps.

> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>
> Hello list
>
> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
> settings?
>
> Regards
>
> Fanus
>
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RE: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,

[Christopher Chaltain]

I’d encourage you to follow the wishes of the owner and moderator of this list, 
namely “If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself” I’m not sure 
what the issue is behind the blank posts, but long time list members should 
know these should not be brought up on list. I end up having to use the delete 
key two or three times instead of just once.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,

If I were the group mod or owner he would’ve been removed long ago.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Brandon Olivares
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 7:33 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,

Is anything ever going to be done about these empty messages?


On Dec 5, 2023, at 7:31 AM, alban hoxha 
mailto:albanhoxha1...@outlook.com>> wrote:



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Jennie 
Facer mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:10:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,

Hi Keith,

All you have to do is double tap the side button and then hold it up to the 
reader. It has be unlocked on your wrist.

Hope this helps,

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi

> On Dec 3, 2023, at 3:50 PM, Keith Kramlinger 
> mailto:kgkramlin...@outlook.com>> wrote:
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> Hi,
> I have my credit card loaded into Apple Pay and in my wallet on both my 
> iPhone and my Apple Watch.
> How do I use my Apple Watch to pay with Apple Pay? A step-by-step guide would 
> be appreciated.
> Thanks. Keith
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RE: question about where to find the magnifier? I can only get to it through asking serie

[Christopher Chaltain]

I removed the magnifier app from my phone, but a few other things you can do 
are:

You can also get to the spotlight search by double tapping on the page adjuster 
at the bottom of your home page, right above the dock. If you double tap this 
instead of flicking up or down, it’ll take you into the spotlight search. It’s 
just a different way to do what Richard suggests below.

You can also go into the Apps Library by doing a three finger swipe left on 
your last home page. Once you find the magnifier app in the library, you could 
then move it to any folder or home page you’d like.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2023 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: question about where to find the magnifier? I can only get to it 
through asking serie

Mine is in a folder I think I created, called Camera Related.
It may be in a factory folder called Extras or something equally vague.
If you use the spotlight on your phone and type mag it should be the first 
result and will tell you where it is.
To activate Spotlight search, touch somewhere in the middle of the screen and 
swipe down with three fingers.
HTH,



Richard, USA
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JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400


From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2023 5:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question about where to find the magnifier? I can only get to it 
through asking serie

Mitch,
Not sure where you find it as it may be in a folder, however, four finger 
triple tap should do it hope this helps, Sandy
Sent from The dark side of the moon

On 2 Dec 2023, at 13:13, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

Hi all. I am now running a I phone 14 pro. I am wondering where to find the 
magnifier? I can only find it when asking Serie. I have gone through all of my 
folders in all of my 8 pages of apps and can’t find it. I have turned on the 
door detection and people detection app and that is all working good I am just 
wondering if I can only get to this by asking Serie? Since as I said I can’t 
seem to find it any other way.   Many thanks. >From Mich.
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RE: SiriusXM To Update Service And App: How Will This Affect Accessibility?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree, I'm always apprehensive when an application "improves" their 
interface, but since I dislike the SiriusXM interface so much, I'm being kind 
of optimistic.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 6:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SiriusXM To Update Service And App: How Will This Affect 
Accessibility?

Sadly we really have no choice but to wait until 12/14. My advice is to wait to 
do the update on all of your devices until we know how the update will work. My 
fingers are crossed that it will be fine as SiriusXm is my main source of 
radio. Also don't forget you can use SiriusXm on both google and alexa speakers.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
Steele
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 6:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SiriusXM To Update Service And App: How Will This Affect 
Accessibility?

hello Friends,

I also received this notice about siriusXM and wonder how their newly updated 
APP will affect those of us who enjoy programs like MetOpera Radio. The problem 
we all face here is that there's no one at SiriusXM we can contact directly who 
would even care how their updates might change things permanently, and not in 
our favor. I reckon we'll all just live in suspense until December 14th. Let's 
all hope we can still have our programming preferences just as  we do now.


+Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

> On Nov 30, 2023, at 5:38 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
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> Hi Group,
>
> As a platinum subscriber to SiriusXM and using the iPhone app, I receive 
> regular e-mails concerning SiriusXM features and events. Today I got a 
> notification about the price reduction and the exciting new features to be 
> added on December 14. They also announced a new update to the app with major 
> revisions.
>
> Whenever I hear about exciting new revisions to apps, I cringe. They did this 
> to the NFL app a few years ago and ruined it for accessibility and they broke 
> elements of the Zoom app for iPhone earlier this year.  Has anyone got a 
> heads up on the new SiriusXM app and whether or not it is as accessible as 
> the current version?
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RE: Preserving batteries

[Christopher Chaltain]

I realize I missed a point in my previous message on this thread. With the 
battery software on your iPhone, such as turning on power management, I myself 
trust the phone electronics to manage my battery for me. I’d have no issue 
leaving my iPhone plugged in all of the time, and in fact, this will help with 
charge cycles, which is one of the metrics in the life span of a battery. 
Whenever this issue comes up, you’ll get tons of contradictory information, 
some of which comes from the NiCad batteries, which have very different 
chemistry, and are subject to the memory affect for example. This is why I 
included the links I did in my previous message. It’s easy to get lost in all 
of this information, so I’d recommend that you do  your own research, follow 
the advice of people you trust or just leave it up to Apple to take care of 
things for you.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 10:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Preserving batteries

Yes it isn’t good to leave it plugged in all the time.  Just like it isn’t good 
to only charge to 70 or 80 percent.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Jody 
ianuzzi
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Preserving batteries

Thank you! He would think keeping it plugged in all the time would be a good 
thing but I guess it's not. Thanks for the help
JODY


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On Nov 28, 2023, at 11:57 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
mailto:louv...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'd suggest to run down your backup phone as much as you can.  I've
had my phone run down to 4 or 3% before recharging it.  I use my phone
for book reading and watching movies all the time and it is really
cool.

On 11/28/23, Jody ianuzzi 
mailto:thunderwalker...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have a back up phone that I would like to use for reading books etc. When
I had a back up phone in the past I kept it plugged in all the time and
apparently this killed the battery. How can I use this backup phone in such
a way that I do not destroy the battery?
JODY

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RE: Preserving batteries

[Christopher Chaltain]

This will depend on the iPhone you want to use as your backup phone. Newer 
iPhones have more features to help manage the health of your battery. Typically 
LI batteries like shallow charges to preserve charging cycles, i.e. let it run 
down to around 40-60% and then charge it up to 80%. The battery management 
software in the iPhone will take care of much of this for you. For me 
personally, I wouldn’t hesitate to keep a backup phone plugged in. I’d think a 
few things you’d like to do though are:

  1.  Keep it out of a warm place when stored
  2.  Turn on the battery performance and optimization features on your iPhone
  3.  Perform the usual battery saving steps you’d do on any iPhone and 
probably be even more aggressive since you won’t be using this phone, e.g. turn 
on low battery mode


There’s a ton of information on this on the web, but here are a few pages I 
found with a lot of good information:

11 ways to make your old iPhone last longer | Tom's Guide 
(tomsguide.com)

iPhone Battery and Performance - Apple 
Support

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jody 
ianuzzi
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2023 9:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Preserving batteries

I have a back up phone that I would like to use for reading books etc. When I 
had a back up phone in the past I kept it plugged in all the time and 
apparently this killed the battery. How can I use this backup phone in such a 
way that I do not destroy the battery?
JODY


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RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, if you're just speaking for yourself then you have the option of just not 
using an AI tool that provides these suggestive opinions. If you don't think 
others should have the option of using these tools then all I'd say is that I 
appreciate these tools and the subjective descriptions. I know it's coming from 
an AI, and I feel that I'm mature enough not to be jaded by these descriptions. 
When I use Be My AI to have a picture my wife painted described to me, I like 
to hear things like "vibrant blue". Even if it said something like 
"amateurish," I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that my wife isn't a good 
painter. I use it as much for entertainment as I do for information. When I 
read alt text on an image, I appreciate it even though I know it was provided 
by someone I don't know and what their biases may be. As with most things, I 
think it's up to each person whether they choose to use such a tool or not.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 8:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

John has hit the nail exactly on the head. I don’t want some anonymous AI 
programmed by God knows who with whatever dark algorithm that nobody knows 
about telling me what’s there and making subjective judgments about it. It’s 
just a bad idea. And there are plenty of examples in the news where there are 
misunderstandings across cultural and racial lines, and people have been killed 
for it. That black person was angry. They were threatening. Boom! Dead person. 
It’s just wrong.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 14, 2023, at 4:43 PM, realman02 via VIPhone  
> wrote:
>
> My point -- and then I'll let this go and not comment -- is that I do not 
> want a machine large language model providing me with subjective opinions 
> about people, their expressions, etc. I think that should be reserved for 
> human to human interaction. Who knows if the description is accurate? Who 
> knows what criteria the AI program used to generate its description?
> John Riehl
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 7:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
>
> Only, that is not a complete description. Like it or not, all of us have 
> facial expression, and that is a part of what we look like. Of course, 
> expressions vary, but they are a part of a person's face.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: realman02 via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 5:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
>
> This is how I would rephrase the description:
>
>> The man in the picture has a fair complexion. His hair is short and appears 
>> to be a mix of gray and black, and he has a full head of hair. His eyes are 
>> partially closed.
> His nose is prominent and he has full lips. He is wearing a dark-colored polo 
> shirt with a collar. The shirt has a small embroidery on the right side of 
> his chest that reads "Samuel Smith" in a cursive font with gold thread.
>
> John
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 11:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
>
> I agree with Sieghard. My guess, and this is only a guess is that the ones of 
> us who have had some or full sight are more willing to hear what Be My A I 
> might say about our expression.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 9:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
>
> I would agree with Sieghard, but I suspect what Mary and others are getting 
> at is not what they choose to use or not but what others are using and how 
> that might affect how they interpret the world based on those AI generated 
> descriptions. As Mary says though, anytime you're getting a description from 
> another source, even if it's a sighted person, it isn't going to be free of 
> interpretation.
>
> Reminds me of a friend of mine in college who was helping me pick out a 
> greeting card. She told me she would just describe the card to me and 
> wouldn't be subjective at all. Later on she described a card as "yucky 
> yellow." We had a good laugh over that, but I didn't get that card.
>
> For those who don't want any kind of interpretation of a descript

RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Ah, very good! I'd prefer the first description though since it also talks 
about build and the facial expression. I guess anything that touches on 
complexion, build or facial expression could get touchy though.

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-Original Message-
From: realman02 via VIPhone 
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

This is how I would rephrase the description:

>The man in the picture has a fair complexion. His hair is short and appears to 
>be a mix of gray and black, and he has a full head of hair. His eyes are 
>partially closed.
His nose is prominent and he has full lips. He is wearing a dark-colored polo 
shirt with a collar. The shirt has a small embroidery on the right side of his 
chest that reads "Samuel Smith" in a cursive font with gold thread.

John
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

I agree with Sieghard. My guess, and this is only a guess is that the ones of 
us who have had some or full sight are more willing to hear what Be My A I 
might say about our expression.

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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 9:05 AM
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I would agree with Sieghard, but I suspect what Mary and others are getting at 
is not what they choose to use or not but what others are using and how that 
might affect how they interpret the world based on those AI generated 
descriptions. As Mary says though, anytime you're getting a description from 
another source, even if it's a sighted person, it isn't going to be free of 
interpretation.

Reminds me of a friend of mine in college who was helping me pick out a 
greeting card. She told me she would just describe the card to me and wouldn't 
be subjective at all. Later on she described a card as "yucky yellow." We had a 
good laugh over that, but I didn't get that card.

For those who don't want any kind of interpretation of a description coming 
from an AI, I wonder what they would consider an acceptable description. I'd 
find it interesting if someone took a response from Be My AI and then 
sterilized it into what they would find acceptable. I'm guessing that the more 
sterile descriptions wouldn't be nearly as popular and most people find the 
interpretation of the image as one of the more interesting parts of the 
description.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 10:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

Anybody who does not like or agree with some of the interpretations of the AI 
is free not to use the service.
Just as you may not appreciate it, I have so far felt that even descriptions 
which included descriptions of facial expressions were actually amazingly 
correct when I asked sighted people to tell me what they thought of the 
desdcription and whether they agtreed that the interpretation was good or not.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

I do not want to know what some artificial intelligence thinks somebody’s 
expression means. Cultural stuff hugely influences that sort of thing. And as a 
totally blind person from birth, I can’t tell you how many times people have 
asked me why are you angry? Because I’m not smiling. Apparently you’re supposed 
to go around smiling all the time especially if you’re a woman. So I don’t 
trust AI male centric and Eurocentric as it must obviously be, based on who is 
making these glorious language models and facial expression models etc.I don’t 
want it. I want human to human interaction, and never mind somebody else 
assuming they know what I’m thinking because of how my face looks. I sure don’t 
want to inflict that misunderstanding on somebody else.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2023, at 6:49 PM, realman02 via VIPhone  
> wrote:
>
> Good points, Kelly. The reason it bothers me is that it's not human-to-human 
> interaction; it's a large language model that's making those judgements.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kellie
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
>
> I think the other thing that people need to keep in mind, it’s just because 
> an artificial intelligence says t

RE: xm radio app

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, it's at the top of your recently played items page. I'd figure it would be 
on the discovery page, so I agree, it's hard to find.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 1:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: xm radio app

Hello all,
I can use the app without any problem, except that I am unable to find any way 
to search. Anybody know where that edit field is, if it exists? Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 14, 2023, at 1:15 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>
> I use the Sirius XM app on a daily basis with no issues.
>
> Andy
>
> - Original Message - From: "Rhonda Hornbacher" 
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> Subject: xm radio app
>
>
>> .
>>
>> Is there a more user friendly app I can use to access xm radio content? If 
>> so, what is the name of this app.
>>
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>> Hi friends,
>>
>> I find the xm radio app on my phone to be nonintuitive
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RE: xm radio app

[Christopher Chaltain]

IMHO, breaking accessibility for any reason is unacceptable, but developers 
updating the an application to improve it's appearance is perfectly acceptable 
and understandable. I think this is akin to Apple updating tones and text to 
speech voices in IOS 17. Sure, it didn't change the functionality in IOS, but I 
appreciated the updates, and I think it made for a slightly more pleasant 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: xm radio app

Hi Richard,

I use the SiriusXM app and at this point, I have no problems with it. One 
always looks for alternatives because some programmers just can't wait to 
change the appearance to make it look more appealing and often times break 
accessibility. Take the NHL app for listening to hockey games which was totally 
accessible until  this season as well as the NFL app that was accessible until 
2020. (I am out another hundred bukcs US funds--since NFL support  assured me 
that this year would be different and it wasn't)


My question is: if I use this 'Starplyer' app, could I access my SiriusXM 
'Platinum' account?


On 11/14/2023 9:16 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
> Yes, StarplayrX which I think was $1.99 when I got it.
> It has been a while, but I think you designate a station as a favorite and 
> then use the category "All Stars" and it organizes them in order by number.
> Well, even under All Stations they are in order.
>
> https://apps.apple.com/na/app/starplayrx/id1453335612
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."  
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> -Original Message-
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> To:viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: xm radio app
>
> .
>
> Is there a more user friendly app I can use to access xm radio content? If 
> so, what is the name of this app.
>
> Thanks so much,
> Hi friends,
>
> I find the xm radio app on my phone to be nonintuitive
>

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I use the SiriusXM app and at this point, I have no problems with it. One 
always looks for alternatives because some programers just can't wait to change 
the appearance to make it look more appealing and often times break 
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RE: xm radio app

[Christopher Chaltain]

Are you talking about SiriusXM? If so, you can check out StarPlayrX. I'm not 
sure if it's still being maintained or not. I pulled it down and used it a 
while ago, but I ended up just getting used to the SiriusXM app. Also, note the 
spelling of the app, i.e. there's no 'e' in StarPalyrX. This seems to be the 
link in the App Store: https://apps.apple.com/na/app/starplayrx/id1453335612

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Hornbacher
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 7:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: xm radio app

.

Is there a more user friendly app I can use to access xm radio content? If so, 
what is the name of this app.

Thanks so much,
Hi friends,

I find the xm radio app on my phone to be nonintuitive

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RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I would agree with Sieghard, but I suspect what Mary and others are getting at 
is not what they choose to use or not but what others are using and how that 
might affect how they interpret the world based on those AI generated 
descriptions. As Mary says though, anytime you're getting a description from 
another source, even if it's a sighted person, it isn't going to be free of 
interpretation.

Reminds me of a friend of mine in college who was helping me pick out a 
greeting card. She told me she would just describe the card to me and wouldn't 
be subjective at all. Later on she described a card as "yucky yellow." We had a 
good laugh over that, but I didn't get that card.

For those who don't want any kind of interpretation of a description coming 
from an AI, I wonder what they would consider an acceptable description. I'd 
find it interesting if someone took a response from Be My AI and then 
sterilized it into what they would find acceptable. I'm guessing that the more 
sterile descriptions wouldn't be nearly as popular and most people find the 
interpretation of the image as one of the more interesting parts of the 
description.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 10:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

Anybody who does not like or agree with some of the interpretations of the AI 
is free not to use the service.
Just as you may not appreciate it, I have so far felt that even descriptions 
which included descriptions of facial expressions were actually amazingly 
correct when I asked sighted people to tell me what they thought of the 
desdcription and whether they agtreed that the interpretation was good or not.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

I do not want to know what some artificial intelligence thinks somebody’s 
expression means. Cultural stuff hugely influences that sort of thing. And as a 
totally blind person from birth, I can’t tell you how many times people have 
asked me why are you angry? Because I’m not smiling. Apparently you’re supposed 
to go around smiling all the time especially if you’re a woman. So I don’t 
trust AI male centric and Eurocentric as it must obviously be, based on who is 
making these glorious language models and facial expression models etc.I don’t 
want it. I want human to human interaction, and never mind somebody else 
assuming they know what I’m thinking because of how my face looks. I sure don’t 
want to inflict that misunderstanding on somebody else.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2023, at 6:49 PM, realman02 via VIPhone  
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>
> Good points, Kelly. The reason it bothers me is that it's not human-to-human 
> interaction; it's a large language model that's making those judgements.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kellie
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 9:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
>
> I think the other thing that people need to keep in mind, it’s just because 
> an artificial intelligence says that’s your expression doesn’t mean you have 
> to believe it. You can ask follow-up questions. The beauty is we have 
> deductive reasoning and can make that determination with further input. Also, 
> if you’re totally blind, every input of an expression is going to be through 
> hearsay whether it’s artificial intelligence or another human being. You’re 
> still going by their interpretation of the expression, not your own judgment. 
> Every single thing that is described to us is through someone else’s eyes or 
> interpretation of what they visually perceive it to be. That means, every 
> description is suspect since no two people are going to take away the same 
> thing. That’s why it doesn’t really bother me if the artificial intelligence 
> Gives an answer that isn’t maybe how I’m feeling or etc. because I can use my 
> reasoning to figure it out.
>
> Kellie and my lovable Lady J
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 13, 2023, at 7:26 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with that. The Be my A I is just telling us what we'd see, if we 
>> could - hairy arm; stern expression. I would want it to tell me what it sees.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Robert Doc Wright
>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 4:50 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
>>
>> What is wrong with the truth?
>>
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: Cristóbal Muñoz 
>>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

RE: Accessible RSS readers

[Christopher Chaltain]

Thanks for the pointers. I knew there would be a ton of RSS readers in the App 
Store and I knew some of them would be accessible. I just figured I’d ask for 
some advice before just using trial and error to find the accessible options. 
I’ll take a look at the suggestions I got, and over time I’ll probably branch 
out even further until I settle on the perfect RSS reader for IOS.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 2:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessible RSS readers

The iOS App Store is full of great, accessible RSS readers. I can personally 
recommend two apps:

1. News Explorer:
https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/news-explorer/id1032668306

2. Lire:
https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/lire-rss-reader/id1531976425


I use News Explorer because it syncs the articles in your feeds to iCloud, so 
even if you reset your device etc. you can still access older articles that 
have been removed from the feed. It has an excellent Mac app as well.

But Lire is a great alternative with excellent full text caching, so you can 
read articles while you're offline.

If you don't want a paid app, honestly just download a bunch of RSS readers and 
try them out, it's very accessible territory.

Thanks,

Grant Hardy


On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:04 AM Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I used to use RSS readers, but I got out of the habit when Google dropped it’s 
RSS reader. Now that I see I can use RSS to read lists on Mastodon, I’m 
wondering where we are with accessible RSS readers on the iPhone. Anyone have 
any suggestions? Free would be preferable, since my usage will be pretty light, 
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RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Be My AI is a tab in the Be My Eyes app. It's free and no longer in beta.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brandon 
Olivares
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 8:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

That is really cool. Is there any way for me to get access to Be My AI or is it 
closed to beta users still? I've been wanting to try it.

> On Nov 12, 2023, at 7:52 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>
> Hello friends.
>
> I appreciate that none of you know me personally and like me have no idea 
> what I look like.
>
> However, at my request a friend of mine took a picture of me recently when we 
> were in what we call in the UK a pub.  I was very interested in the results I 
> obtained when asking Be My AI to describe the photo.  It's description was:
>
> The man in the picture has a fair complexion and a sturdy build. His hair is 
> short and appears to be a mix of gray and black, and he has a full head of 
> hair. His eyes are partially closed, and he has a somewhat stern or serious 
> expression on his face. His nose is prominent and he has full lips. He is 
> clean-shaven.
>
> He is wearing a dark-colored polo shirt with a collar. The shirt has a small 
> embroidery on the right side of his chest that reads "Samuel Smith" in a 
> cursive font with gold thread. The shirt appears to be of a comfortable fit.
>
> The lighting in the picture is focused on him, making him the central element 
> of the image. There is no additional information provided about the man, such 
> as his name or what he is doing in the pub.
>
>
> What interested me most is that this is the closest we can get to a sighted 
> person looking in a mirror.
>
> The other thing that struck me was the description of my expression.  I had 
> never really thought about expressions but I suddenly thought are expressions 
> learned or natural.  How far do our expressions mirror those of sighted 
> people.  I didn't feel serious at the time, and if Be My AI's description of 
> my expression was accurate then why would I look serious?
>
> Do our expressions really express our mood as sighted people's do?
>
> Not really an Apple question admittedly but an interesting subject.
>
> Apologies in advance for the off-topic post but I would be most interested in 
> your opinions.
> Malcolm Parfitt
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Accessible RSS readers

[Christopher Chaltain]

I used to use RSS readers, but I got out of the habit when Google dropped it's 
RSS reader. Now that I see I can use RSS to read lists on Mastodon, I'm 
wondering where we are with accessible RSS readers on the iPhone. Anyone have 
any suggestions? Free would be preferable, since my usage will be pretty light, 
but paying for an app is not a show stopper.

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RE: Mark is Going All in on the On-Demand Steaming App Services, for one Year

[Christopher Chaltain]

Just as an FYI, but I know Hulu Live TV and YouTube TV both have DVR's and 
access to local channels.

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Duncan
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Subject: Re: Mark is Going All in on the On-Demand Steaming App Services, for 
one Year

This is interesting. Are you factoring in the cost of your internet provider? 
Also do you have any need for dvr service? One last question, any need for your 
local stations?

Gosh, we haven't used our Apple TV for so long! I often found it more 
cumbersome than Fire TV.

Good luck on your cord cutting journey. A little side note, an over the air 
antenna is a great addition. Ours was around $30 and we get several channels 
for that.

Traci


> On Nov 8, 2023, at 5:57 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> Thank to the extreme patience of list member, Ed, in addition to
> subscribing to Paramount Plus, I have decided to also subscribe to
> Peacock Plus, Hulu with Disney Plus, and Max Plus, each for one year.
>
> Between these subscriptions, along with my Youtube TV and Prime Video
> subscriptions, I should finally be able to gain consistent access to a
> great number of ventage television series produced in the distant pass.
>
> Ed has assured me, that of today, anyway, these apps are Voice Over
> accessible on iOS, iPad OS, and on my beloved Apple TV.
>
> After doing some serious number crunching, I have determined that the
> combined annual premiums for all of these on-demand services, remains
> considerately less than the annual cost of one traditional cable
> service provider.  It's really quite amazing.
>
> Mark
>
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RE: taking an app out of a created folder

[Christopher Chaltain]

I didn't test this all the way to the end since I didn't want to actually move 
an app out of a folder, but try the following:

  1.  Go into the folder
  2.  Go into edit mode by flicking down on any icon in the folder and double 
tapping on edit
  3.  Find the icon you want to move and flick down and double tap on drag
  4.  Now close the folder (I do this by sliding up from the bottom of the 
screen to go back to the home page) and find where you want to drop the icon
  5.  Flick down to drop before or after and double tap

The app should now be on the home page and not in the folder. If there were 
only two apps in the folder then the folder will disappear and the other app 
will also be on a home page.

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From: realman02 via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 3:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: taking an app out of a created folder

A few months ago, I tried moving an app and, despite my setting the app to drop 
after another app, good old IOS combined the two apps into one folder. Now I 
can't figure out how to get the app out of that folder. When I go into edit, it 
asks if I want to move the app within the folder. How do I get the app out of 
the folder?
Thanks
John Riehl
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RE: iOS 17.2 Beta now has Journal

[Christopher Chaltain]

I've taken a look at the Journal app, and I don't see anything compelling to me 
to start using it. I see it supports locations, which I may use. I'm not sure 
I'll find the prompts useful, but I may. I don't usually include audio or 
pictures in my journal entries. I'm not criticizing it, and I'm sure others 
will benefit from the features, but I'm just not seeing use cases for me right 
now. I do like how accessible and easy to use it is. I found Day One to be kind 
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 11:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 17.2 Beta now has Journal

True Sieghard,
Since it includes the ability to add photos, etc., they may eventually allow 
exporting to Pages or Word.  It will be interesting to see what happens down 
the road.





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Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 9:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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And adding to what I said about this being new and still in Beta, I assume that 
consumer demand for features will to some degree drive the direction of the 
development and what features will be added. To think that the way it is now is 
all that it will ever be is probably not even close to correct.


-Original Message-
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Chaffin
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 5:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 17.2 Beta now has Journal


I am curious if there is a way of exporting your journal, like as a txt or PDF 
file.
Just wondered if you are locked into just viewing it in the journal app.

Chris Chaffin


> On Oct 31, 2023, at 9:18 PM, Loreal Lavigna  wrote:
>
> I actually discovered that about the year picker myself. You are right, 
> though, Richard, you cannot, at least, as of now, select a specific time on 
> your desired date.
> Loreal
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 17:24, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I've never been someone who journaled. If you want to go back and write 
>> about something in the past, you will have a ton of swiping to do. Just as 
>> an experiment, I wanted to note something from May 25, 1990. Well, if you 
>> select custom date, you can scroll back by year, and then by month; but it 
>> will assume the day is the same day as today. To specify a specific date in 
>> the past, you have to use the default date format and so scroll back by 
>> month/year. Once you get to the month and year you want, there is a month 
>> calendar where you can pick a specific date. Tedious at best since you 
>> cannot simply enter a date.
>>
>> Richard, USA
>> ——
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John
>> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
>>
 On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, and you can select the year, if you double tap on where it says, for 
>>> example, October 2024 you then get separate month and year pickers.
>>> Only thing I don't think you can set at this point is a time, it will put 
>>> it at the current time on whatever date you pick.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Loreal Lavigna
>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 3:26 PM
>>> To: Loreal Lavigna 
>>> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iOS 17.2 Beta now has Journal
>>>
>>> Matthew, I need to amend an earlier reply I gave to you yesterday. It does 
>>> appear that you can do a custom date. As of yet I have not tried to do a 
>>> different year, but I certainly have figured out how to do custom dates at 
>>> least within the current month And or current year. I’ll play with a little 
>>> more and let you know what I find out this evening.
>>> Loreal
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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>>>
> On Oct 29, 2023, at 15:34, Loreal Lavigna  wrote:

 Hi Matthew, as of now, I don’t notice any such option.
 Loreal
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>> On Oct 29, 2023, at 15:23, Matthew Bullis  
>> wrote:
>
> The app sounds intriguing. I have not used such an app before, but I 
> wonder if it has a feature where you can add past entries for years ago? 
> That would be really helpful for entering significant things you don’t 
> want to forget about. Then it would also be nice if it would integrate 
> into the calendar or reminders or simply notifications, so that for 

RE: 17.1 just made iOS worse

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't use Siri to open apps either, but this doesn't mean it shouldn't work 
for those who do want to use this feature.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 17.1 just made iOS worse

I never use Siri to open apps.  I never saw the point.  I also don't mind the 
no Siri sound when holding down the side button.  Really, it isn't that big a 
deal.

On 10/27/23, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> I've been waiting for 17.1 to come out to hopefully fix bugs I'd heard
> about and preferred not to experience. So imagine the look on my face
> when after upgrading from 16.7.2 to 17.1 I said "Siri, open mail," and
> was answered with "which one, phone or mail?". Rather surprised, I
> answered "mail," and was immediately told something went wrong, please
> try again later. Well, later hasn't come yet, because if I tell it to
> open mail, I get the same thing.
>
>
> Also, I discovered that instead of playing a sound when I press and
> hold the side button on my 14 Pro Max, I get the double-buzz like you
> would get if VoiceOver weren't running. Haven't yet found a way to
> reverse this one.
>
>
> But seriously, opening mail fails? Gimmy back my 16.7.2.
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RE: Be My AI Mentioned Amongst TIME Best Inventions of 2023

[Christopher Chaltain]

Just a bit more info, but when you pull up the App Store, you need to tap on 
the Search tab in the lower right hand corner. The search field is at the top 
of the screen, and it's labeled "Games, Apps, Stories and More" so it's easy to 
miss that it's a edit field, since you have to listen to all of that before you 
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rob 
Armstrong
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 5:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI Mentioned Amongst TIME Best Inventions of 2023

Be My AI is just one of the features of the Be My Eyes app.  If you already 
have the Be My Eyes app, you already have Be My AI.

If you need to install it, go to the app store, search for Be My Eyes, and 
download it.  Yes, Be My Eyes is free.

When you first use Be My Eyes, I think you have to enter your email address to 
create an account.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI Mentioned Amongst TIME Best Inventions of 2023

I am going to try to download Be My AI. So, please tell me, I go to the App 
Store. Do I have to do something about passwords. Does Search just come up like 
in Google on my Computer. Is the app free?

Thanks for help.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Be My AI Mentioned Amongst TIME Best Inventions of 2023

Be My AI Mentioned Amongst TIME Best Inventions of 2023


Be My AI Mentioned Amongst TIME Best Inventions of 2023


The new AI Describer for people who are blind or have low vision is featured in 
the AI Category

By Michele Paris, Marketing and Communications Manager



Michele Paris

Marketing and Communications Manager



Be My AI, the  first-of-its-kind digital visual assistant powered by GPT-4, was 
mentioned amongst the Time Best Invention of 2023 
  
thanks to the collaboration between Be My Eyes and OpenAI. The annual list 
features the most groundbreaking inventions, including new products and ideas, 
that TIME editors have identified as "life changing".

"Be My Eyes is proud to be mentioned among the brilliant innovations included 
in TIME's Best Inventions 2023 list with Be My AI. This new tool is providing 
people who are blind or have low vision with a better way to address everyday 
needs and acquire tools and visual descriptions never before possible," said 
Michael Buckley, CEO of Be My Eyes. "We are grateful to TIME for this 
incredible recognition, as we work to create a more accessible world for people 
of all abilities."

This acknowledgment comes after a week from Be My Eyes' celebrations for 
officially reaching 1,000,000 chats on Be My AI. As of today, over 5,500 blind 
people are accessing Be My AI every day, asking over 30,000+ questions daily to 
the AI-powered tool.

"The new feature of having an AI assistant, specifically Be My AI, has truly 
been a game-changer for me. It allows me to experience the world in a whole new 
way by providing detailed descriptions of various things," says Malak, who has 
been beta testing Be My AI since March. "Thanks to Be My AI, I now have the 
ability to enjoy visual experiences and share moments in ways that were once 
unimaginable. Be My Eyes' contribution has made a significant impact on our 
lives, and we are incredibly thankful for their invaluable support."

Be My AI is currently available for all Be My Eyes users on iOS. We have 
already started closed beta testing Be My AI for Android devices and our goal 
is to move it to broadly-available open beta status in the coming months. It is 
already possible to sign up on the waitlist for Android beta testing in the Be 
My Eyes app.

To keep updated about Be My AI, make sure to follow Be My Eyes on LinkedIn 
 , X 

 , Facebook  , Instagram 
 , Mastodon 
  and TikTok 
 .

See the full list of 2023 TIME Best Inventions at 
time.com/best-inventions-2023. 




Thanks to David Goldfield for publishing the above on his Tech VI mailing list.

I copied the above from the original source at:

https://www.bemyeyes.com/blog/be-my-ai-named-amongst-time-best-inventions-of-2023





Richard, USA.

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Re: mail issue query

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, just go ahead and set up the IOS Mail app.
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On Oct 26, 2023, at 9:48 AM, anthonyborg...@gmail.com wrote:


I setup the gmail because that’s what I use to send and receiv emails, but in 
the mail app there is much more features.
Can I now setup my account in the IOS mail as well to make the emails go there?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: 26 October 2023 7:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: mail issue query

Why do you set up a Gmail app if you don’t want to use it but instead want the 
Mail app to check  your email?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
anthonyborg...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 9:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: mail issue query

Hi

I purchased the latest iphone se, and my problem is that when I setup the gmail 
I am notice that all the emails are going in to it and not in to the mail app.
So,can anyone explain to me what I should do to make the emails go in to the 
mail app instead please?
Thanks in advance

Anthony

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RE: mail issue query

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm a bit confused by your message. Did you set up a Gmail account in the IOS 
Mail app or did you set up the Gmail app? If you did both, and you're using 
IMAP, then your messages should show up in both places.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
anthonyborg...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 11:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: mail issue query

Hi

I purchased the latest iphone se, and my problem is that when I setup the gmail 
I am notice that all the emails are going in to it and not in to the mail app.
So,can anyone explain to me what I should do to make the emails go in to the 
mail app instead please?
Thanks in advance

Anthony

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RE: not being notified of all text messages

[Christopher Chaltain]

Actually I cannot. I can't toggle from speed to tone, which I never do, which 
is why I didn't notice it, but I still should have checked myself. I can adjust 
the speed though, which is more important to me. This is with the commercial 
release of the app. I'll check later when I get IOS 17.1 installed to see if 
anything changes.

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-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 11:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not being notified of all text messages

Hello Christopher,

The issue is with the beta.

So, in the latest version of iOS 17, are you saying that you can toggle between 
the playback speed and the playback tone, with no problem in the latest 
commercial release of the BARD app?

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 6:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not being notified of all text messages

Is the serious bug you mention in the BARD Mobile App in the released  ersion 
of the app or the beta? I've seen it reported on the beta list. I left the beta 
a while ago because of the issue where you can't pause the reading with the 
Shokz headphones, and I haven't seen this issue with the released version of 
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-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 4:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not being notified of all text messages

Hello,

Okay, I was going to update to iOS 17.1 when released but after hearing about 
the text notification bug, I am sticking with iOS 16.7 until someone on this 
list can confirm that this particular bug has been squashed.

Not only if the notification bug at issue but there is a serious bug with the 
BARD app in iOS 17 concerning playback speed and tone control.  Since I use the 
BARD mobile app on a daily basis and given that I have not yet taken the plunge 
in iOS 17, I'll just hold off for now.

So, after 17.1 is released, all feedback on what, if any, issues have been 
resolved will be greatly appreciated.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not being notified of all text messages

It's a known bug that has yet to be fix by Appple. Some of us deal with it, but 
others are unaffected. It's supremely annoying. I usually have to restart my 
phone once a day. The restart helps, but only for a while. Sometimes, the rest 
of the day, sometimes, just hours.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 12:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: not being notified of all text messages

When I noticed the messages that I missed in the MMessages app, VoiceOver did 
not say muted for any of them. W Ryan Mann Certified Assistive Technology 
Instructional Specialist rmann0...@gmail.com
386-383-5175


> On Oct 22, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> Make sure you haven't accidently muted certain conversations. It is pretty 
> obvious, though, if you did Voiceover would say the person's name followed by 
> "muted".
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Ryan Mann
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 7:56 AM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: not being notified of all text messages
>
> I am running iOS 17.03 on an iPhone XR.  For some text messages, I hear my 
> text tone and the message.  For other messages, I don’t even hear the tone 
> and the only way I know about them is if I go into the messages app.  There 
> does not seem to be any pattern of which messages I get notified about and 
> which ones I don’t.  I do not have any focus on and Do Not Disturb is not on 
> either.  Why would this be happening?
>
> Ryan Mann
> Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist
> rmann0...@gmail.com
> 386-383-5175
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RE: not being notified of all text messages

[Christopher Chaltain]

Is the serious bug you mention in the BARD Mobile App in the released  ersion 
of the app or the beta? I've seen it reported on the beta list. I left the beta 
a while ago because of the issue where you can't pause the reading with the 
Shokz headphones, and I haven't seen this issue with the released version of 
the app myself.

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-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 4:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not being notified of all text messages

Hello,

Okay, I was going to update to iOS 17.1 when released but after hearing about 
the text notification bug, I am sticking with iOS 16.7 until someone on this 
list can confirm that this particular bug has been squashed.

Not only if the notification bug at issue but there is a serious bug with the 
BARD app in iOS 17 concerning playback speed and tone control.  Since I use the 
BARD mobile app on a daily basis and given that I have not yet taken the plunge 
in iOS 17, I'll just hold off for now.

So, after 17.1 is released, all feedback on what, if any, issues have been 
resolved will be greatly appreciated.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not being notified of all text messages

It's a known bug that has yet to be fix by Appple. Some of us deal with it, but 
others are unaffected. It's supremely annoying. I usually have to restart my 
phone once a day. The restart helps, but only for a while. Sometimes, the rest 
of the day, sometimes, just hours.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 12:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: not being notified of all text messages

When I noticed the messages that I missed in the MMessages app, VoiceOver did 
not say muted for any of them. W Ryan Mann Certified Assistive Technology 
Instructional Specialist rmann0...@gmail.com
386-383-5175


> On Oct 22, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> Make sure you haven't accidently muted certain conversations. It is pretty 
> obvious, though, if you did Voiceover would say the person's name followed by 
> "muted".
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Ryan Mann
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 7:56 AM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: not being notified of all text messages
>
> I am running iOS 17.03 on an iPhone XR.  For some text messages, I hear my 
> text tone and the message.  For other messages, I don’t even hear the tone 
> and the only way I know about them is if I go into the messages app.  There 
> does not seem to be any pattern of which messages I get notified about and 
> which ones I don’t.  I do not have any focus on and Do Not Disturb is not on 
> either.  Why would this be happening?
>
> Ryan Mann
> Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist
> rmann0...@gmail.com
> 386-383-5175
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RE: Bluetooth keyboard commands?

[Christopher Chaltain]

On the iPhone you can see the VoiceOver Bluetooth commands by going into 
Settings -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> Commands -> Keyboard shortcuts.

Richard's homepage also has a list of keyboard shortcuts on it 
https://www.turner42.com/

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenifer 
Barr
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bluetooth keyboard commands?

Good morning all.
Where can I find a list of bluetooth keyboard commands to use with IOS?
I still can't get my on-screen keyboard to come up so connected a bt keyboard.
Thank you.
Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Attention aware features

[Christopher Chaltain]

As I said below, it's Settings -> Face ID and Passcode.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Attention aware features

Where is Require Attention located in Settings?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Attention aware features

I'm not sure where you turned it off but the only place I'm aware of is 
Settings -> Face ID and Passcode. There's a require attention toggle and 
another for attention aware features. I have them both turned off.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
Outman
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 6:50 AM
To: V IPhone List 
Subject: Attention aware features

I turned off attention for Face ID on my 15 Pro. What other attention aware 
features do I need to turn off and where do I find them?
Bill Outman

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Lock rotation in 15 Pro

[Christopher Chaltain]

For me, it's two bumps to get to the control center and the third bump to get 
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Weitzel
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Subject: RE: Lock rotation in 15 Pro

First bump/vibration, second one is Notification Centre.

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Subject: RE: Lock rotation in 15 Pro

Swipe down from the top of the screen to the second bump to bring up the 
control panel. I have the lock rotation toggle right after the playing now 
block and right above screen mirroring.

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Hi. You need to actually get into the control center by swiping up from the top 
of the screen. There’s another way to get into it but I don’t remember what it 
is. Don’t get into the settings control center under settings you need to 
actually get into the control center and flick right until you see the lock 
rotation, hope that helps John John Riehl







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RE: Attention aware features

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not sure where you turned it off but the only place I'm aware of is 
Settings -> Face ID and Passcode. There's a require attention toggle and 
another for attention aware features. I have them both turned off.

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I turned off attention for Face ID on my 15 Pro. What other attention aware 
features do I need to turn off and where do I find them?
Bill Outman

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RE: Lock rotation in 15 Pro

[Christopher Chaltain]

Swipe down from the top of the screen to the second bump to bring up the 
control panel. I have the lock rotation toggle right after the playing now 
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Hi. You need to actually get into the control center by swiping up from the top 
of the screen. There’s another way to get into it but I don’t remember what it 
is. Don’t get into the settings control center under settings you need to 
actually get into the control center and flick right until you see the lock 
rotation, hope that helps John John Riehl







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RE: Side button in App Store

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Yes, push the side button twice and push it pretty quickly.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Side button in App Store

Do I need to set something up, say in my Apple account that says I should use 
the side button where the Touch ID would have applied before.  Do you mean just 
push the side button twice?
Bill
D
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Jessica Dail  wrote:
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> Hi Bill,
> All you need to do is double-tap the side button.
> I hope this helps.
> I have an iPhone 13 pro max.
>
>
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> Best regards,
> Jessica dail
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> Hello.
> I have gone from an 8 Plus to a 15 Pro. I am asked in places like the App 
> Store to confirm with the side button and then in that case double click to 
> install.  I seem unable to do this.
> Am I not doing that command correctly or is there something I need to set up. 
>  I was accustomed to using Touch ID with the home button.
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RE: Side button in App Store

[Christopher Chaltain]

You might want to make sure require attention is toggled off. You can find this 
in Settings -> Face ID and Passcode. If you already have this toggled off then 
experiment with different distances from your face. I was holding the phone too 
close to my face and once I got the distance down, it's now very reliable.

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-Original Message-
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Side button in App Store

William, getting used to face ID will take some practice.  I get it most of the 
time now, although I have had my iPhone for a little over a year.  Carolyn, how 
could you have an iPhone, and haven't yet downloaded any apps on it.  What 
about things like amazon, bard, or audible, or voice dream reader. The list 
goes on and on.

On 10/21/23, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have never downloaded anything from the App Store. If I should
> download Be my A Eyes, what all would I have to do to get it? Then,
> are there some kind of instructions as to how to use it?
>
> -Original Message-
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>
> Hello.
> I have gone from an 8 Plus to a 15 Pro. I am asked in places like the
> App Store to confirm with the side button and then in that case double
> click to install.  I seem unable to do this.
> Am I not doing that command correctly or is there something I need to
> set up.  I was accustomed to using Touch ID with the home button.
> Bill Outman
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