Re: Email problem

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Julie

It’s highly unlikely it came from your machine at all. More then likely it came 
from someone else’s infected computer, but spoofs your email address. This is 
how virus “work around it”.
When a computer gets infected, what some viruses will do is just go through the 
person’s address book and picks a “to” address, and a “from” address. Then 
repeats. So it “spoofs” who it actually comes from.
This way it’s harder to track down sometimes who the infected computer was. As 
your contractor thinks it came from you, and your computer doesn’t show it 
going out at all. Yet some “mutual” contact you both know more then likely is 
where the data was “collected” from.
This has some more info about it here - 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spoofing

Basically, as their “definition” says,…
/quote
Alice is sent an infected email which she opens, running the worm code.
The worm code searches Alice's email address book and finds the addresses of 
Bob and Charlie.
From Alice's computer, the worm sends an infected email to Bob, but forged to 
appear to have been sent by Charlie.
In this case, even if Bob's system detects the incoming mail as containing 
malware, he sees the source as being Charlie, even though it really came from 
Alice's computer; meanwhile Alice may remain unaware that her computer has been 
infected.
/end quote

So more then likely all is fine on your computer, and it’s someone else that 
“pretended” to send out as you.
(email addresses are very easy to “spoof”. I could quite easily post an email 
to wamug which “looks” like it’s come from you, but I’ve actually sent it from 
my computer. Obviously I won’t and most people wouldn’t as it’s against our 
nature to be malicious, but I’m just using that as an example to show what I 
mean).
If however, you want to just check just incase you can run some of the free 
Virus checking software, and even Malware check just incase. Just be aware 
these can take many hours to run sometimes as it looks over all the files etc. 
And from my experience with client computers, it’s very very rare to find 
anything. (I’ve yet to have a client have a “real” virus on their computer in 
the 17 years of doing MacWizardry).
Some of the free Virus checks that people recommend are - 
Sophos -  https://home.sophos.com/free-mac-antivirus
ClamXAV - https://www.clamxav.com
Avast! - https://www.avast.com/en-au/free-mac-security

MalwareBytes can be downloaded here - 
https://www.malwarebytes.com/mac/

Just running the trial of one of them is fine, as if you do run it to scan, 
then you can just remove it once finished. 
But as mentioned, it’s more then likely it will have originated from you in the 
first place, so your computer should be fine.
We’re still pretty lucky in the Mac world for viruses (virii?) as we still 
really don’t get them. (and others may say they’re not running anything all the 
time either as has been the “normal” for many years. It’s not worth the 
“overhead” of computer resources or money.*
*In some places, it’s worth having, just for peace of mind, or a “requirement” 
to have it in certain businesses/organisations, but in generally the Mac is 
still pretty safe. 

Others may disagree with this, but from experience I’ve yet to see anything to 
prove otherwise from my workings around the place.

Hope all that info helps.

Kind regards
Daniel

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> On 20 Jun 2018, at 10:08 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Hoping someone can enlighten me ….
> I had a call from one of our contractors today saying that he had received an 
> email from me yesterday, which was not for him.  When I checked it out, I 
> didn’t send him an email.  He said something similar happened last year.   
> Could this be a virus ?  I use El Capitan  and have held back upgrading to 
> the latest OS.  Is there any software  out there to rid me of this virus, if 
> that is what it is.  Incidentally I have never sent this contractor an email, 
> so his address would not be in my system. 
> 
> Thanks
> Jewels
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Re: Email deletion

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Severin,
The usual hold SHIFT while selecting the first and last email works for me.


> On 18 Apr 2016, at 9:21 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
> can I delete blocks of emails, but not the lot?
> Severin crisp
> 
> 
>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au 
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Re: email

[michael.hawkins]

I've tried ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Mail Downloads in 
 Go to Folder but it results in the message Folder cannot be found

Could this be because I'm using OS 10.7.5?

Regards,

Michael Hawkins


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Subject:Re: email



 On 4 Jun 2014, at 9:59 am, Bill Parker ren...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 With 10.9.3, where do mail downloads go?Looked in the Mail Downloads 
 folder and only last year stuff there.

Hi Bill,

Mail Downloads folder.

The folder’s name is the only thing that’s obvious about it: it’s deeply buried 
in a series of folders, one of which is invisible. 
To view its contents, choose Go  Go to Folder in the Finder, type (or copy and 
paste from here)
~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Mail Downloads, and click Go.

You should visit this folder sometime if only because it probably has at least 
a gigabyte of detritus, much of which you could probably trash. You’ll likely 
find hundreds of folders with alphanumeric names, each holding a downloaded 
attachment. That seemingly inefficient setup is necessary in order to avoid 
having identically named attachments saved to the same folder.

Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 Bill
 
 
 Dr Bill Parker
 ren...@westnet.com.au
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Re: email

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Michael,

On 13 Jun 2014, at 7:33 am, michael.hawkins michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au 
wrote:

 I've tried ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Mail Downloads 
 in  Go to Folder but it results in the message Folder cannot be found
 
 Could this be because I'm using OS 10.7.5?

Attachments in Lion were saved to:
  ~/Library/Mail Downloads.

Under Mountain Lion  Mavericks, Mail is now sandboxed, and the new path is:
 ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Mail Downloads. 


Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)

 
 Regards,
 
 Michael Hawkins
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: wamug@wamug.org.au
 To:WAMUG wamug@wamug.org.au
 Cc:
 Sent:Wed, 04 Jun 2014 10:31:15 +0800
 Subject:Re: email
 
 
 
 On 4 Jun 2014, at 9:59 am, Bill Parker ren...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 With 10.9.3, where do mail downloads go?Looked in the Mail Downloads 
 folder and only last year stuff there.
 
 Hi Bill,
 
 Mail Downloads folder.
 
 The folder’s name is the only thing that’s obvious about it: it’s deeply 
 buried in a series of folders, one of which is invisible. 
 To view its contents, choose Go  Go to Folder in the Finder, type (or copy 
 and paste from here)
 ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Mail Downloads, and click Go.
 
 You should visit this folder sometime if only because it probably has at 
 least a gigabyte of detritus, much of which you could probably trash. You’ll 
 likely find hundreds of folders with alphanumeric names, each holding a 
 downloaded attachment. That seemingly inefficient setup is necessary in order 
 to avoid having identically named attachments saved to the same folder.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
 OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 Bill
 
 
 Dr Bill Parker
 ren...@westnet.com.au
 0403 583 676
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Re: email

[Kaye and Geoff]

Michael

On 13/06/2014, at 7:33 AM, michael.hawkins wrote:

 I've tried ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Mail Downloads 
 in  Go to Folder but it results in the message Folder cannot be found
 
 Could this be because I'm using OS 10.7.5?

I am running 10.6.8. I put Mail Downloads in a finder window search box (top 
right) and set it to look at file name and it told me that it was at 
users/[username]/Library/Mail Downloads.

I assume that this approach should work for any version of the operation system.

Geoff
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Re: email

[Ronni Brown]

On 4 Jun 2014, at 9:59 am, Bill Parker ren...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Hi folks,
 
 With 10.9.3, where do mail downloads go?Looked in the Mail Downloads 
 folder and only last year stuff there.

Hi Bill,

Mail Downloads folder.

The folder’s name is the only thing that’s obvious about it: it’s deeply buried 
in a series of folders, one of which is invisible. 
To view its contents, choose Go  Go to Folder in the Finder, type (or copy and 
paste from here)
~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Mail Downloads, and click Go.

You should visit this folder sometime if only because it probably has at least 
a gigabyte of detritus, much of which you could probably trash. You’ll likely 
find hundreds of folders with alphanumeric names, each holding a downloaded 
attachment. That seemingly inefficient setup is necessary in order to avoid 
having identically named attachments saved to the same folder.

Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 Bill
 
 
 Dr Bill Parker
 ren...@westnet.com.au
 0403 583 676
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Re: email

[Severin Crisp]

Great tip Ronni, I had 600+ items dating back several years.  Clean My Mac 
obviously leaves this alone.  
Severin Crisp

On 4 Jun 2014, at 10:31 am, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Mail Downloads



 Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
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Re: Email CONFUSION

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Bill,

 Seems also that all my prior flagged emails have been shifted to “Flagged”.  
 I prefer them to go back where they were!

The messages are not 'shifted' from their original position, they are still in 
the original location.
In the Flagged Mailbox it shows you where the actual message is located - 
example Inbox - iCloud
If you look in the Inbox or what ever Mailbox the message was flagged in  you 
will see it is still there with a 'red flag' beside the person's name.

Smart mailboxes appear in your sidebar along with the ordinary mailboxes. 
But they aren’t truly mailboxes, because they hold no data. 
A smart mailbox merely lists messages stored in other mailboxes that match its 
particular search criteria.
 
 I also have something called VIP the I do not want.

VIP Smart Mailbox
A VIP is any sender you designate as being especially important. Mail can use 
your list of VIPs in a variety of ways to call special attention to messages 
from those people. 
VIPs you set up in the Mavericks version of Mail sync to the iOS version and 
vice-versa, as long as both devices are configured to use the same iCloud 
account (with Mail enabled in System Preferences  iCloud).

To put someone on your VIP list, open any message from that person. Move your 
pointer to the area next to the sender’s name in the header of the message and 
click the star ☆ icon that appears.

A Smart Mailbox displays in one location messages that are stored in other 
mailboxes, so you don’t have to move messages between mailboxes. 

The messages displayed by a Smart Mailbox are based on criteria you define, and 
are automatically updated to include new messages that match your criteria. For 
example, you might create a Smart Mailbox that displays all messages found in 
all mailboxes from a specific sender.

In Mail under Help- type Smart Mailboxes  you will get a lot of information.

Cheers,
Ronni

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On 9 Apr 2014, at 3:48 pm, Bill Parker ren...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Hi Folks,
 
 I have just upgraded to Mavericks and whether its that or me or Westnet but 
 my email has become hard to manage.  
 
 I have some POP accounts and one IMAP.  I am sure I have been advised to 
 convert them all to IMAP.   
 
 However, I now have everything in the left sidebar is a different - how do I 
 change that back the way I had it?
 
 Seems also that all my prior flagged emails have been shifted to “Flagged”.  
 I prefer them to go back where they were!
 
 I also have something called VIP the I do not want.
 
 Any help welcome.
 
 
 Bill

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Re: Email to group

[Tim Law]

Update,

The ability for Mail to display all email addresses created in a Smart Group 
was lost at some point, but has now been restored via the latest 10.9.2 combo 
update. 

So, anyone struggling with the loss of this function can have another go and 
hopefully it will work again for them. 

Smart Group is a feature available in Contacts where you can create a new group 
that will be kept up to date by reading the criteria you request. I am 
Secretary of a community group. When I enter a new community group member, I 
ensure I put the name of the community group into the Job Title field in 
Contacts. I have created a Smart Group to pull out all the contacts where the 
community group name is in Job Title field. As long as I do that, I can easily 
send an email to the group, around 100 people, by typing the name of the Smart 
Group in the address field in Mail. 

Tim


On 31 Oct 2013, at 1:15 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:

 All,
 
 For those who are using Mail, Contacts in Maverick and like me, are having 
 problems with Mail not autocorrecting a Smart Group address created in 
 Contacts, I have found a reasonable work around in the Apple Discussion 
 forums. 
 
 Direct link: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5490015?tstart=0
 
 A better solution was provided by MacVA - it is as follows:
 1. Open Mail (not in full screen mode)
 2. Click New Message
 3. Make sure there is a toolbar with the Address silhouette showing (it 
 looks like a head and shoulder silhouette of a man).  If necessary, go to 
 the View menu and click Show Toolbar and click Cusomize Toolbar... and 
 drag the Address silhouette to the toolbar.
 4. Back in the New Message window, click the Address icon.
 5. In the Addresses window that opens, click the name of the Smart Group you 
 want to use.
 6. Place the cursor in the right side of the window with the list of names 
 and Command A to select all.
 7. At the top os the Addresses window, click the To, Cc or Bcc icon and the 
 names will go to the address bar in the New Message.
 8. finish your Subject and text and send.
  
 It seems complicated, but once you work through the steps it is really easy 
 and a great workaround to a glaring problem.
 
 
 Through this process I've also discovered how to Customise the Toolbar in 
 Mail, which might come in handy into the future again. 
 
 Regards
 
 Tim
 
 
 On 30 Oct 2013, at 1:35 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 Yes Ronni, it is what you said.
 I didn't 'see' the difference in a created group and a smart group in your 
 instructions.
 
 Be that as it is, With previous versions, it made no difference whether it 
 was a smart group or not, as far as I recall. I have routinely used Mail bcc 
 to send to the same smart group, now it won't do that. Unless there is an 
 error in something I am doing, I will need to find another way. This may not 
 be difficult or onerous, and may be as simple as clearing  the previous 
 recipients list as has been suggested, but it is different, and may in fact 
 been the same problem Peter experienced - which is why I chimed in in case 
 there was a system glitch affecting some users.
 
 One workaround is in Contacts, to right click on the group name, smart group 
 or normal group, and select 'send email to group'. 
 
 If Mail will not auto complete from a Smart Group, so be it. Seems like a 
 loss of functionality to me, and not very helpful. It is very convenient to 
 simply add a keyword in a new Contact and for Smart groups to find that 
 keyword, and bring it into the group. Yes, I can drag the contact into a 
 manually created group, but it's extra thing to have to do.
 
 Tim
 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 30/10/2013, at 13:09, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 Isn't that what I explained in my first reply to Peter... I never mentioned 
 to create a Smart Group?
 
 This is exactly what my first reply was:
 
 /Quote:
 1. Basically you first Create your Group in Contacts.app 
File  New Group
Name the Group Business Projects (or whatever)
Select the contacts addresses for your group and drag them to the group.
 
 2.Then drag the group name from the Contact Panel to an address field,
 or type the first few letters of the group's name and let automatic address 
 completion do the rest.
 
 Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses 
 nor a bogus To address,
 enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
 The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
 undisclosed-recipients:
 /End Quote:
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 30 Oct 2013, at 12:09 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 A bit more testing this morning. 
 
 I have found that entering the name of a 'Smart Group' created in Contacts 
 will NOT auto complete in the Address line of Mail
 
 I have found that entering the name of a standard group to which I have 
 dragged contacts (from the Smart group of the same group of people) then 
 Mail WILL 

Re: Email to group

[Tim Law]

All,

For those who are using Mail, Contacts in Maverick and like me, are having 
problems with Mail not autocorrecting a Smart Group address created in 
Contacts, I have found a reasonable work around in the Apple Discussion forums. 

Direct link: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5490015?tstart=0

 A better solution was provided by MacVA - it is as follows:
 1. Open Mail (not in full screen mode)
 2. Click New Message
 3. Make sure there is a toolbar with the Address silhouette showing (it 
 looks like a head and shoulder silhouette of a man).  If necessary, go to the 
 View menu and click Show Toolbar and click Cusomize Toolbar... and drag 
 the Address silhouette to the toolbar.
 4. Back in the New Message window, click the Address icon.
 5. In the Addresses window that opens, click the name of the Smart Group you 
 want to use.
 6. Place the cursor in the right side of the window with the list of names 
 and Command A to select all.
 7. At the top os the Addresses window, click the To, Cc or Bcc icon and the 
 names will go to the address bar in the New Message.
 8. finish your Subject and text and send.
  
 It seems complicated, but once you work through the steps it is really easy 
 and a great workaround to a glaring problem.


Through this process I've also discovered how to Customise the Toolbar in Mail, 
which might come in handy into the future again. 

Regards

Tim


On 30 Oct 2013, at 1:35 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:

 Yes Ronni, it is what you said.
 I didn't 'see' the difference in a created group and a smart group in your 
 instructions.
 
 Be that as it is, With previous versions, it made no difference whether it 
 was a smart group or not, as far as I recall. I have routinely used Mail bcc 
 to send to the same smart group, now it won't do that. Unless there is an 
 error in something I am doing, I will need to find another way. This may not 
 be difficult or onerous, and may be as simple as clearing  the previous 
 recipients list as has been suggested, but it is different, and may in fact 
 been the same problem Peter experienced - which is why I chimed in in case 
 there was a system glitch affecting some users.
 
 One workaround is in Contacts, to right click on the group name, smart group 
 or normal group, and select 'send email to group'. 
 
 If Mail will not auto complete from a Smart Group, so be it. Seems like a 
 loss of functionality to me, and not very helpful. It is very convenient to 
 simply add a keyword in a new Contact and for Smart groups to find that 
 keyword, and bring it into the group. Yes, I can drag the contact into a 
 manually created group, but it's extra thing to have to do.
 
 Tim
 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 30/10/2013, at 13:09, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 Isn't that what I explained in my first reply to Peter... I never mentioned 
 to create a Smart Group?
 
 This is exactly what my first reply was:
 
 /Quote:
 1. Basically you first Create your Group in Contacts.app 
File  New Group
Name the Group Business Projects (or whatever)
Select the contacts addresses for your group and drag them to the group.
 
 2.Then drag the group name from the Contact Panel to an address field,
 or type the first few letters of the group's name and let automatic address 
 completion do the rest.
 
 Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses nor 
 a bogus To address,
 enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
 The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
 undisclosed-recipients:
 /End Quote:
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 30 Oct 2013, at 12:09 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 A bit more testing this morning. 
 
 I have found that entering the name of a 'Smart Group' created in Contacts 
 will NOT auto complete in the Address line of Mail
 
 I have found that entering the name of a standard group to which I have 
 dragged contacts (from the Smart group of the same group of people) then 
 Mail WILL auto complete as expected. 
 
 How does this work for others?
 
 Tim
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 11:06 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 Ronni I understand it is working for you, but Mail does not auto complete 
 the group name for me, nor apparently Peter. Previous versions used to, 
 now they don't.  
 
 I understand and agree with principles of only using bcc. The failing here 
 is the address not auto completing. All I see is the plain text of the 
 group name as I have typed, nothing changes, nor indicates any acceptance 
 by Mail of the address.
 
 I'll leave it for tonight and see if I can find any settings in Mail or 
 Contacts another time.
 
 Tim
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 29/10/2013, at 22:46, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:37 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:21 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 In Mail, if I type in the Groups name, enter a Subject and write 

Re: Email to group

[Ronni Brown]

On 29 Oct 2013, at 7:39 pm, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:

 Hi everyone
 I have to send an email to a group, however since upgrading to Mavericks I am 
 having problems. When I go to 'Show addresses' it won't let me select the 
 group! Nothing appears in the address line?
 I'm sure I'm missing something but I don't know what?
 I don't want to send them one by one as there are a 120 of them.
 Kind regards
 Peter

Hi Peter,

To address messages to a Group is the same as it has always been since OS X 
10.4.

1. Basically you first Create your Group in Contacts.app 
   File  New Group
   Name the Group Business Projects (or whatever)
   Select the contacts addresses for your group and drag them to the group.

2.Then drag the group name from the Contact Panel to an address field,
or type the first few letters of the group's name and let automatic address 
completion do the rest.

Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses nor a 
bogus To address,
enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
undisclosed-recipients:

Cheers,
Ronni

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2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

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Re: Email to group

[Curtis Peter]

Hi Ronni
Yes, that's exactly how I did it before, except now I can't drag it (or double 
click it) to go into the address field. I can drag it to the field but nothing 
happens? or double click it and nothing happens.
I'll try a few things like - restart the program or restart the computer.
Thanks, I'll let you know how I get on.
Peter
On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:22 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 7:39 pm, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi everyone
 I have to send an email to a group, however since upgrading to Mavericks I 
 am having problems. When I go to 'Show addresses' it won't let me select the 
 group! Nothing appears in the address line?
 I'm sure I'm missing something but I don't know what?
 I don't want to send them one by one as there are a 120 of them.
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 To address messages to a Group is the same as it has always been since OS X 
 10.4.
 
 1. Basically you first Create your Group in Contacts.app 
File  New Group
Name the Group Business Projects (or whatever)
Select the contacts addresses for your group and drag them to the group.
 
 2.Then drag the group name from the Contact Panel to an address field,
 or type the first few letters of the group's name and let automatic address 
 completion do the rest.
 
 Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses nor 
 a bogus To address,
 enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
 The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
 undisclosed-recipients:
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
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 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
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Re: Email to group

[Daniel Kerr]

When you drag it in (or double click it) do you see the name of the group show 
up, or just nothing at all shows up?
If the group name shows up, but nothing else then you may have Mail menu - 
Preferences - Composing - When sending to a group, show all member addresses 
unticked). If it's ticked and you type in the group name, it will then change 
to show all the individual email addresses (so ensure to put it in BCC, which 
I'm sure you do) ;o) ……whereas with it unticked, it will just show the actual 
group name.
(Of course, I could be on the wrong complete tangent here as well) :o))

Kind regards
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On 29/10/2013, at 8:50 PM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:

 Hi Ronni
 Yes, that's exactly how I did it before, except now I can't drag it (or 
 double click it) to go into the address field. I can drag it to the field but 
 nothing happens? or double click it and nothing happens.
 I'll try a few things like - restart the program or restart the computer.
 Thanks, I'll let you know how I get on.
 Peter
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:22 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 7:39 pm, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi everyone
 I have to send an email to a group, however since upgrading to Mavericks I 
 am having problems. When I go to 'Show addresses' it won't let me select 
 the group! Nothing appears in the address line?
 I'm sure I'm missing something but I don't know what?
 I don't want to send them one by one as there are a 120 of them.
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 To address messages to a Group is the same as it has always been since OS X 
 10.4.
 
 1. Basically you first Create your Group in Contacts.app 
   File  New Group
   Name the Group Business Projects (or whatever)
   Select the contacts addresses for your group and drag them to the group.
 
 2.Then drag the group name from the Contact Panel to an address field,
 or type the first few letters of the group's name and let automatic address 
 completion do the rest.
 
 Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses nor 
 a bogus To address,
 enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
 The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
 undisclosed-recipients:
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
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Re: Email to group

[Ronni Brown]

Cheers,
Ronni

Hi Peter,

I sent a couple of Group emails today.
1.  Have Contacts Open
2. Have a New Message Open
3. Start to type the Name of the Group into the BBC: field and it will 
automatically complete.
4. Save as a Draft (just for you to test) and you will see that the name has 
become the live address
5. Then you can send when you have completed the email message

Cheers,
Ronni

On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:50 pm, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:

 Hi Ronni
 Yes, that's exactly how I did it before, except now I can't drag it (or 
 double click it) to go into the address field. I can drag it to the field but 
 nothing happens? or double click it and nothing happens.
 I'll try a few things like - restart the program or restart the computer.
 Thanks, I'll let you know how I get on.
 Peter
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:22 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 7:39 pm, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi everyone
 I have to send an email to a group, however since upgrading to Mavericks I 
 am having problems. When I go to 'Show addresses' it won't let me select 
 the group! Nothing appears in the address line?
 I'm sure I'm missing something but I don't know what?
 I don't want to send them one by one as there are a 120 of them.
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 To address messages to a Group is the same as it has always been since OS X 
 10.4.
 
 1. Basically you first Create your Group in Contacts.app 
   File  New Group
   Name the Group Business Projects (or whatever)
   Select the contacts addresses for your group and drag them to the group.
 
 2.Then drag the group name from the Contact Panel to an address field,
 or type the first few letters of the group's name and let automatic address 
 completion do the rest.
 
 Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses nor 
 a bogus To address,
 enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
 The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
 undisclosed-recipients:
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
 OS X 10.9 Mavericks
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
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Re: Email to group

[Tim Law]

All,

I'm having the same issue as Peter. Only discovered it to see if Peter's 
problem happened for me, and golly gosh it did!
It's like Mail has lost it's relationship with Contacts - Groups.

In Mail, if I enter an email address of an individual, Mail autofills as 
expected.  
In Mail, if I enter a name of any of my groups, nothing happens. 

If I open Contacts and drag the name of the group into Mail, nothing happens. 
If I open Contacts and select one or many Contacts and drag them into the 
Address fields of Mail, nothing happens. 

In Mail, if I type in the Groups name, enter a Subject and write some text in 
the body of the email, then click Save. Then reopen it as Ronni has suggested, 
the Groups name has not become live. 

I have successfully sent to group addresses many times in previous versions of 
Mail and OSX. 

Currently running Mail 7.0 and OSX 10.9

Tim


On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:07 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 I sent a couple of Group emails today.
 1.  Have Contacts Open
 2. Have a New Message Open
 3. Start to type the Name of the Group into the BBC: field and it will 
 automatically complete.
 4. Save as a Draft (just for you to test) and you will see that the name has 
 become the live address
 5. Then you can send when you have completed the email message
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:50 pm, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni
 Yes, that's exactly how I did it before, except now I can't drag it (or 
 double click it) to go into the address field. I can drag it to the field 
 but nothing happens? or double click it and nothing happens.
 I'll try a few things like - restart the program or restart the computer.
 Thanks, I'll let you know how I get on.
 Peter
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:22 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 7:39 pm, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi everyone
 I have to send an email to a group, however since upgrading to Mavericks I 
 am having problems. When I go to 'Show addresses' it won't let me select 
 the group! Nothing appears in the address line?
 I'm sure I'm missing something but I don't know what?
 I don't want to send them one by one as there are a 120 of them.
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 To address messages to a Group is the same as it has always been since OS X 
 10.4.
 
 1. Basically you first Create your Group in Contacts.app 
   File  New Group
   Name the Group Business Projects (or whatever)
   Select the contacts addresses for your group and drag them to the group.
 
 2.Then drag the group name from the Contact Panel to an address field,
 or type the first few letters of the group's name and let automatic address 
 completion do the rest.
 
 Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses 
 nor a bogus To address,
 enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
 The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
 undisclosed-recipients:
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
 OS X 10.9 Mavericks
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
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Re: Email to group

[Tim Law]

On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:21 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:

 In Mail, if I type in the Groups name, enter a Subject and write some text in 
 the body of the email, then click Save. Then reopen it as Ronni has 
 suggested, the Groups name has not become live. 


Okay. A little further testing with consistent replicated but two results. 

In Mail, I enter the Group name in the TO, or the CC field. the group name does 
not appear to change, it just stays as plain text - 'business contacts' for 
example

If I click on the red button to close that window, I get offered the option to 
save as a draft. Click Yes.
When viewing the email in list view, all the addresses appear, and when the 
email is opened, all the addresses appear. 


In Mail, I enter the Group name in the BCC field. the group name does not 
appear to change, it just stays as plain text - 'business contacts' for example

If I click on the red button to close that window, I get offered the option to 
save as a draft. Click Yes.
When viewing the email in list view, all the addresses do NOT appear, and when 
the email is opened, none of the addresses appear.

So it appears to only be affecting the BCC field. 

I would really like the Group title to indicate it has registered in any of the 
Address lines, not just stay as plain text. That's disconcerting, is it working 
or is it not?   I'm pretty sure it used to change in previous versions and you 
could view all the addresses as soon as you write the group name then tabbed or 
clicked to the next field.  

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Re: Email to group

[Tim Law]

Ronni I understand it is working for you, but Mail does not auto complete the 
group name for me, nor apparently Peter. Previous versions used to, now they 
don't.  

I understand and agree with principles of only using bcc. The failing here is 
the address not auto completing. All I see is the plain text of the group name 
as I have typed, nothing changes, nor indicates any acceptance by Mail of the 
address.

I'll leave it for tonight and see if I can find any settings in Mail or 
Contacts another time.

Tim
Sent from my iPad

On 29/10/2013, at 22:46, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Tim,
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:37 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:21 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 In Mail, if I type in the Groups name, enter a Subject and write some text 
 in the body of the email, then click Save. Then reopen it as Ronni has 
 suggested, the Groups name has not become live. 
 
 In Mail, I enter the Group name in the BCC field. the group name does not 
 appear to change, it just stays as plain text - 'business contacts' for 
 example
 
 If I click on the red button to close that window, I get offered the option 
 to save as a draft. Click Yes.
 When viewing the email in list view, all the addresses do NOT appear, and 
 when the email is opened, none of the addresses appear.
 
 All the Addresses should NOT show.
 BCC will only show the Group Name 'business contacts' or whatever your Group 
 is named. That is the correct way to send undisclosed recipients.
 
 Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses nor 
 a bogus To address,
 enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
 The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
 undisclosed-recipients:
 
 So it appears to only be affecting the BCC field. 
 
 As it should and always has. 
 
 I would really like the Group title to indicate it has registered in any of 
 the Address lines, not just stay as plain text. That's disconcerting, is it 
 working or is it not?
 
 It is working as I mentioned in my original reply to Peter I sent a couple of 
 Group emails today without any problems.
 
   I'm pretty sure it used to change in previous versions and you could view 
 all the addresses as soon as you write the group name then tabbed or clicked 
 to the next field.  
 You still can if you want to show all the recipients addresses in the Group
 In a new message, start to type the Group name in the TO: section, then when 
 it auto completes the name... It shows live, hold your cursor on the group 
 name, click the tiny arrow  Expand Group
 Then the Group Name is gone and all the recipients names  addresses show.
 All are live!
 
 Finish your message hit send.
 But you should not send Group emails this way with everyones address showing.
 That is why it is correct to send all Group emails using the Group Name in 
 the BCC field.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 
 
 Thanks
 Tim
 
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Re: Email to group

[Stephen Chape]

I notice that since I went to Mavericks inserting recipients when sending an 
email (in Apple Mail) is different.
I used to be able to double click each one from contacts but now that does not 
work.
I have to select each recipient in contacts then click TO.
Takes twice as long and is especially annoying when I have quite a few to add.

On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:50 pm, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:

 Hi Ronni
 Yes, that's exactly how I did it before, except now I can't drag it (or 
 double click it) to go into the address field. I can drag it to the field but 
 nothing happens? or double click it and nothing happens.
 I'll try a few things like - restart the program or restart the computer.
 Thanks, I'll let you know how I get on.
 Peter
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:22 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 7:39 pm, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi everyone
 I have to send an email to a group, however since upgrading to Mavericks I 
 am having problems. When I go to 'Show addresses' it won't let me select 
 the group! Nothing appears in the address line?
 I'm sure I'm missing something but I don't know what?
 I don't want to send them one by one as there are a 120 of them.
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 To address messages to a Group is the same as it has always been since OS X 
 10.4.
 
 1. Basically you first Create your Group in Contacts.app 
   File  New Group
   Name the Group Business Projects (or whatever)
   Select the contacts addresses for your group and drag them to the group.
 
 2.Then drag the group name from the Contact Panel to an address field,
 or type the first few letters of the group's name and let automatic address 
 completion do the rest.
 
 Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses nor 
 a bogus To address,
 enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
 The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
 undisclosed-recipients:
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
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Re: Email to group

[Tim Law]

Hello,

A bit more testing this morning. 

I have found that entering the name of a 'Smart Group' created in Contacts will 
NOT auto complete in the Address line of Mail

I have found that entering the name of a standard group to which I have dragged 
contacts (from the Smart group of the same group of people) then Mail WILL auto 
complete as expected. 

How does this work for others?

Tim

On 29 Oct 2013, at 11:06 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:

 Ronni I understand it is working for you, but Mail does not auto complete the 
 group name for me, nor apparently Peter. Previous versions used to, now they 
 don't.  
 
 I understand and agree with principles of only using bcc. The failing here is 
 the address not auto completing. All I see is the plain text of the group 
 name as I have typed, nothing changes, nor indicates any acceptance by Mail 
 of the address.
 
 I'll leave it for tonight and see if I can find any settings in Mail or 
 Contacts another time.
 
 Tim
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 29/10/2013, at 22:46, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:37 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:21 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 In Mail, if I type in the Groups name, enter a Subject and write some text 
 in the body of the email, then click Save. Then reopen it as Ronni has 
 suggested, the Groups name has not become live. 
 
 In Mail, I enter the Group name in the BCC field. the group name does not 
 appear to change, it just stays as plain text - 'business contacts' for 
 example
 
 If I click on the red button to close that window, I get offered the option 
 to save as a draft. Click Yes.
 When viewing the email in list view, all the addresses do NOT appear, and 
 when the email is opened, none of the addresses appear.
 
 All the Addresses should NOT show.
 BCC will only show the Group Name 'business contacts' or whatever your Group 
 is named. That is the correct way to send undisclosed recipients.
 
 Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses nor 
 a bogus To address,
 enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
 The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
 undisclosed-recipients:
 
 So it appears to only be affecting the BCC field. 
 
 As it should and always has. 
 
 I would really like the Group title to indicate it has registered in any of 
 the Address lines, not just stay as plain text. That's disconcerting, is it 
 working or is it not?
 
 It is working as I mentioned in my original reply to Peter I sent a couple 
 of Group emails today without any problems.
 
   I'm pretty sure it used to change in previous versions and you could view 
 all the addresses as soon as you write the group name then tabbed or 
 clicked to the next field.  
 You still can if you want to show all the recipients addresses in the Group
 In a new message, start to type the Group name in the TO: section, then when 
 it auto completes the name... It shows live, hold your cursor on the group 
 name, click the tiny arrow  Expand Group
 Then the Group Name is gone and all the recipients names  addresses show.
 All are live!
 
 Finish your message hit send.
 But you should not send Group emails this way with everyones address showing.
 That is why it is correct to send all Group emails using the Group Name in 
 the BCC field.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 
 
 Thanks
 Tim
 
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Re: Email to group

[Robin Belford]

I have found similar behavior and for me the fix was to go to the Previous 
Recipients  from the Window menu (of the Mail application) and remove the none 
functioning group from that list.
Now all my groups auto fill and, when pressing enter, load the group name as a 
live set of addresses, in any of the fields. 

YMMV

regards,

robin


On 30 Oct 2013, at 12:09 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:

 Hello,
 
 A bit more testing this morning. 
 
 I have found that entering the name of a 'Smart Group' created in Contacts 
 will NOT auto complete in the Address line of Mail
 
 I have found that entering the name of a standard group to which I have 
 dragged contacts (from the Smart group of the same group of people) then Mail 
 WILL auto complete as expected. 
 
 How does this work for others?
 
 Tim
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 11:06 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 Ronni I understand it is working for you, but Mail does not auto complete 
 the group name for me, nor apparently Peter. Previous versions used to, now 
 they don't.  
 
 I understand and agree with principles of only using bcc. The failing here 
 is the address not auto completing. All I see is the plain text of the group 
 name as I have typed, nothing changes, nor indicates any acceptance by Mail 
 of the address.
 
 I'll leave it for tonight and see if I can find any settings in Mail or 
 Contacts another time.
 
 Tim
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 29/10/2013, at 22:46, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:37 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:21 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 In Mail, if I type in the Groups name, enter a Subject and write some 
 text in the body of the email, then click Save. Then reopen it as Ronni 
 has suggested, the Groups name has not become live. 
 
 In Mail, I enter the Group name in the BCC field. the group name does not 
 appear to change, it just stays as plain text - 'business contacts' for 
 example
 
 If I click on the red button to close that window, I get offered the 
 option to save as a draft. Click Yes.
 When viewing the email in list view, all the addresses do NOT appear, and 
 when the email is opened, none of the addresses appear.
 
 All the Addresses should NOT show.
 BCC will only show the Group Name 'business contacts' or whatever your 
 Group is named. That is the correct way to send undisclosed recipients.
 
 Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses 
 nor a bogus To address,
 enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
 The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
 undisclosed-recipients:
 
 So it appears to only be affecting the BCC field. 
 
 As it should and always has. 
 
 I would really like the Group title to indicate it has registered in any 
 of the Address lines, not just stay as plain text. That's disconcerting, 
 is it working or is it not?
 
 It is working as I mentioned in my original reply to Peter I sent a couple 
 of Group emails today without any problems.
 
   I'm pretty sure it used to change in previous versions and you could 
 view all the addresses as soon as you write the group name then tabbed or 
 clicked to the next field.  
 You still can if you want to show all the recipients addresses in the Group
 In a new message, start to type the Group name in the TO: section, then 
 when it auto completes the name... It shows live, hold your cursor on the 
 group name, click the tiny arrow  Expand Group
 Then the Group Name is gone and all the recipients names  addresses show.
 All are live!
 
 Finish your message hit send.
 But you should not send Group emails this way with everyones address 
 showing.
 That is why it is correct to send all Group emails using the Group Name in 
 the BCC field.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 
 
 Thanks
 Tim
 
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Re: Email to group

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Tim,

Isn't that what I explained in my first reply to Peter... I never mentioned to 
create a Smart Group?

This is exactly what my first reply was:

/Quote:
1. Basically you first Create your Group in Contacts.app 
   File  New Group
   Name the Group Business Projects (or whatever)
   Select the contacts addresses for your group and drag them to the group.

2.Then drag the group name from the Contact Panel to an address field,
or type the first few letters of the group's name and let automatic address 
completion do the rest.

Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses nor a 
bogus To address,
enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
undisclosed-recipients:
/End Quote:

Cheers,
Ronni

On 30 Oct 2013, at 12:09 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:

 Hello,
 
 A bit more testing this morning. 
 
 I have found that entering the name of a 'Smart Group' created in Contacts 
 will NOT auto complete in the Address line of Mail
 
 I have found that entering the name of a standard group to which I have 
 dragged contacts (from the Smart group of the same group of people) then Mail 
 WILL auto complete as expected. 
 
 How does this work for others?
 
 Tim
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 11:06 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 Ronni I understand it is working for you, but Mail does not auto complete 
 the group name for me, nor apparently Peter. Previous versions used to, now 
 they don't.  
 
 I understand and agree with principles of only using bcc. The failing here 
 is the address not auto completing. All I see is the plain text of the group 
 name as I have typed, nothing changes, nor indicates any acceptance by Mail 
 of the address.
 
 I'll leave it for tonight and see if I can find any settings in Mail or 
 Contacts another time.
 
 Tim
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 29/10/2013, at 22:46, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:37 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:21 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 In Mail, if I type in the Groups name, enter a Subject and write some 
 text in the body of the email, then click Save. Then reopen it as Ronni 
 has suggested, the Groups name has not become live. 
 
 In Mail, I enter the Group name in the BCC field. the group name does not 
 appear to change, it just stays as plain text - 'business contacts' for 
 example
 
 If I click on the red button to close that window, I get offered the 
 option to save as a draft. Click Yes.
 When viewing the email in list view, all the addresses do NOT appear, and 
 when the email is opened, none of the addresses appear.
 
 All the Addresses should NOT show.
 BCC will only show the Group Name 'business contacts' or whatever your 
 Group is named. That is the correct way to send undisclosed recipients.
 
 Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses 
 nor a bogus To address,
 enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
 The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
 undisclosed-recipients:
 
 So it appears to only be affecting the BCC field. 
 
 As it should and always has. 
 
 I would really like the Group title to indicate it has registered in any 
 of the Address lines, not just stay as plain text. That's disconcerting, 
 is it working or is it not?
 
 It is working as I mentioned in my original reply to Peter I sent a couple 
 of Group emails today without any problems.
 
   I'm pretty sure it used to change in previous versions and you could 
 view all the addresses as soon as you write the group name then tabbed or 
 clicked to the next field.  
 You still can if you want to show all the recipients addresses in the Group
 In a new message, start to type the Group name in the TO: section, then 
 when it auto completes the name... It shows live, hold your cursor on the 
 group name, click the tiny arrow  Expand Group
 Then the Group Name is gone and all the recipients names  addresses show.
 All are live!
 
 Finish your message hit send.
 But you should not send Group emails this way with everyones address 
 showing.
 That is why it is correct to send all Group emails using the Group Name in 
 the BCC field.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 
 
 Thanks
 Tim

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Re: Email to group

[Tim Law]

Yes Ronni, it is what you said.
I didn't 'see' the difference in a created group and a smart group in your 
instructions.

Be that as it is, With previous versions, it made no difference whether it was 
a smart group or not, as far as I recall. I have routinely used Mail bcc to 
send to the same smart group, now it won't do that. Unless there is an error in 
something I am doing, I will need to find another way. This may not be 
difficult or onerous, and may be as simple as clearing  the previous recipients 
list as has been suggested, but it is different, and may in fact been the same 
problem Peter experienced - which is why I chimed in in case there was a system 
glitch affecting some users.

One workaround is in Contacts, to right click on the group name, smart group or 
normal group, and select 'send email to group'. 

If Mail will not auto complete from a Smart Group, so be it. Seems like a loss 
of functionality to me, and not very helpful. It is very convenient to simply 
add a keyword in a new Contact and for Smart groups to find that keyword, and 
bring it into the group. Yes, I can drag the contact into a manually created 
group, but it's extra thing to have to do.

Tim




Sent from my iPad

On 30/10/2013, at 13:09, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Tim,
 
 Isn't that what I explained in my first reply to Peter... I never mentioned 
 to create a Smart Group?
 
 This is exactly what my first reply was:
 
 /Quote:
 1. Basically you first Create your Group in Contacts.app 
File  New Group
Name the Group Business Projects (or whatever)
Select the contacts addresses for your group and drag them to the group.
 
 2.Then drag the group name from the Contact Panel to an address field,
 or type the first few letters of the group's name and let automatic address 
 completion do the rest.
 
 Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses nor 
 a bogus To address,
 enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
 The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
 undisclosed-recipients:
 /End Quote:
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 30 Oct 2013, at 12:09 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 A bit more testing this morning. 
 
 I have found that entering the name of a 'Smart Group' created in Contacts 
 will NOT auto complete in the Address line of Mail
 
 I have found that entering the name of a standard group to which I have 
 dragged contacts (from the Smart group of the same group of people) then 
 Mail WILL auto complete as expected. 
 
 How does this work for others?
 
 Tim
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 11:06 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 Ronni I understand it is working for you, but Mail does not auto complete 
 the group name for me, nor apparently Peter. Previous versions used to, now 
 they don't.  
 
 I understand and agree with principles of only using bcc. The failing here 
 is the address not auto completing. All I see is the plain text of the 
 group name as I have typed, nothing changes, nor indicates any acceptance 
 by Mail of the address.
 
 I'll leave it for tonight and see if I can find any settings in Mail or 
 Contacts another time.
 
 Tim
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 29/10/2013, at 22:46, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:37 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 9:21 pm, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 In Mail, if I type in the Groups name, enter a Subject and write some 
 text in the body of the email, then click Save. Then reopen it as Ronni 
 has suggested, the Groups name has not become live. 
 
 In Mail, I enter the Group name in the BCC field. the group name does not 
 appear to change, it just stays as plain text - 'business contacts' for 
 example
 
 If I click on the red button to close that window, I get offered the 
 option to save as a draft. Click Yes.
 When viewing the email in list view, all the addresses do NOT appear, and 
 when the email is opened, none of the addresses appear.
 
 All the Addresses should NOT show.
 BCC will only show the Group Name 'business contacts' or whatever your 
 Group is named. That is the correct way to send undisclosed recipients.
 
 Netiquette: To ensure that recipients see neither each other's addresses 
 nor a bogus To address,
 enter the group name in the Bcc field instead of To or Cc.
 The To field in the message each recipient gets will say 
 undisclosed-recipients:
 
 So it appears to only be affecting the BCC field. 
 
 As it should and always has. 
 
 I would really like the Group title to indicate it has registered in any 
 of the Address lines, not just stay as plain text. That's disconcerting, 
 is it working or is it not?
 
 It is working as I mentioned in my original reply to Peter I sent a couple 
 of Group emails today without any problems.
 
   I'm pretty sure it used to change in previous versions and you could 
 view all the addresses as soon as you write the group name then 

Re: Email Templates in Mail

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Rick,

Receiving an email created from a Mail Template is the same on. PC or Mac (or 
iPhone/iPad), as it is simply sent as an HTML document.
As long as you select fonts that your recipients have installed on their 
system, all will be well.
Otherwise, they'll simply get replacements fonts displayed instead.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4

On 30/08/2013, at 8:10 AM, Rick Armstrong a...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 The very impression email templates in mail, how do they show up if sent to a 
 PC using Outlook Express or any other email application that is not Mail 6.5. 
 Similar to how Android mobiles send to iPhone mobiles.
 Thanks, Rick.
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Re: Email Templates in Mail

[Rick Armstrong]

Thanks, Ronni, so I guess as long as it is a HTML document is should go well. 
Rick

On 30/08/2013, at 8:19 AM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Rick,
 
 Receiving an email created from a Mail Template is the same on. PC or Mac (or 
 iPhone/iPad), as it is simply sent as an HTML document.
 As long as you select fonts that your recipients have installed on their 
 system, all will be well.
 Otherwise, they'll simply get replacements fonts displayed instead.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 30/08/2013, at 8:10 AM, Rick Armstrong a...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 The very impression email templates in mail, how do they show up if sent to 
 a PC using Outlook Express or any other email application that is not Mail 
 6.5. Similar to how Android mobiles send to iPhone mobiles.
 Thanks, Rick.
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Re: Email Templates in Mail

[Ronda Brown]

Yep Rick, if it is a template it is HTML with a tiny bit of XML.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4

On 30/08/2013, at 8:24 AM, Rick Armstrong a...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Thanks, Ronni, so I guess as long as it is a HTML document is should go well. 
 Rick
 
 On 30/08/2013, at 8:19 AM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Rick,
 
 Receiving an email created from a Mail Template is the same on. PC or Mac 
 (or iPhone/iPad), as it is simply sent as an HTML document.
 As long as you select fonts that your recipients have installed on their 
 system, all will be well.
 Otherwise, they'll simply get replacements fonts displayed instead.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 30/08/2013, at 8:10 AM, Rick Armstrong a...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 The very impression email templates in mail, how do they show up if sent to 
 a PC using Outlook Express or any other email application that is not Mail 
 6.5. Similar to how Android mobiles send to iPhone mobiles.
 Thanks, Rick.
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Re: Email withdrawal

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

This feature requires you to use a Microsoft Exchange account. Most home and 
personal accounts do not use Exchange. The recipient of the mail you want to 
recall must also be using an Exchange server e-mail account. For example, you 
cannot recall a message sent to someone's personal Internet service provider 
(ISP) POP3 e-mail account.

I was of the understanding that if the original message is marked as read 
(viewing in the Reading Pane doesn't constitute reading in this scenario) when 
the recall message is processed, the recipient is informed that the sender, 
wants to delete the message, but the message remains in the recipient's mailbox.

If the original message has not been read, the original message is deleted and 
the recipient is informed that the sender, deleted the message from his or her 
mailbox. 

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4

On 26/07/2013, at 9:22 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:

 Hi Everyone
 
 I had the experience last night where someone withdrew an email they had 
 previously sent. I had read the email but they then withdrew it from my 
 inbox. I seem to remember the dim dark past that this was possible, but had 
 forgotten it.
 I guess what worries me it that this can disrupt a chain of correspondence 
 and/or revoke records you may wish to keep.
 My question is : Can emails be withdrawn? (They obviously can :) ) Can it be 
 recovered if done? Can it be stopped?
 The mind boggles at the ability to withdraw receipts etc.
 
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
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Re: Email withdrawal

[Curtis Peter]

Hi Ronni

I use Apple mail and it's a POP email account (not sure if it's a POP3) I 
wasn't aware I was using an Exchange server email account. 
The message had certainly been read, and shown as read in the inbox, yet still 
recovered by the sender. In it's place was a file called winmail.dat which I 
couldn't open even with the services of an online recovery program.
The specific email is not a problem, it's unimportant and  has no interest to 
me other than it can actually be done!

Kind regards
Peter

On 26/07/2013, at 9:45 AM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Peter,
 
 This feature requires you to use a Microsoft Exchange account. Most home and 
 personal accounts do not use Exchange. The recipient of the mail you want to 
 recall must also be using an Exchange server e-mail account. For example, you 
 cannot recall a message sent to someone's personal Internet service provider 
 (ISP) POP3 e-mail account.
 
 I was of the understanding that if the original message is marked as read 
 (viewing in the Reading Pane doesn't constitute reading in this scenario) 
 when the recall message is processed, the recipient is informed that the 
 sender, wants to delete the message, but the message remains in the 
 recipient's mailbox.
 
 If the original message has not been read, the original message is deleted 
 and the recipient is informed that the sender, deleted the message from his 
 or her mailbox. 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 26/07/2013, at 9:22 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone
 
 I had the experience last night where someone withdrew an email they had 
 previously sent. I had read the email but they then withdrew it from my 
 inbox. I seem to remember the dim dark past that this was possible, but had 
 forgotten it.
 I guess what worries me it that this can disrupt a chain of correspondence 
 and/or revoke records you may wish to keep.
 My question is : Can emails be withdrawn? (They obviously can :) ) Can it be 
 recovered if done? Can it be stopped?
 The mind boggles at the ability to withdraw receipts etc.
 
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
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Re: Email withdrawal

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

I have never heard of this happening in any Mail client other than Microsoft 
Exchange, Outlook. 
It is impossible (so I have always understood) for the sender to delete an 
email that has come through your ISP  into your POP mail Inbox. He/she would 
have to gain access to your computer...

Is the sender of this email a work colleague... or someone you can trust?
it sounds a bit suspect to me.

TNEF can open winmail.dat files, 
http://www.joshjacob.com/mac-development/tnef.php
But unless you are very sure what this file contains, I would not recommend you 
open it.

Need to find out more about the origin of this email etc.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4

On 26/07/2013, at 10:31 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:

 Hi Ronni
 
 I use Apple mail and it's a POP email account (not sure if it's a POP3) I 
 wasn't aware I was using an Exchange server email account. 
 The message had certainly been read, and shown as read in the inbox, yet 
 still recovered by the sender. In it's place was a file called winmail.dat 
 which I couldn't open even with the services of an online recovery program.
 The specific email is not a problem, it's unimportant and  has no interest to 
 me other than it can actually be done!
 
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
 On 26/07/2013, at 9:45 AM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 This feature requires you to use a Microsoft Exchange account. Most home and 
 personal accounts do not use Exchange. The recipient of the mail you want to 
 recall must also be using an Exchange server e-mail account. For example, 
 you cannot recall a message sent to someone's personal Internet service 
 provider (ISP) POP3 e-mail account.
 
 I was of the understanding that if the original message is marked as read 
 (viewing in the Reading Pane doesn't constitute reading in this scenario) 
 when the recall message is processed, the recipient is informed that the 
 sender, wants to delete the message, but the message remains in the 
 recipient's mailbox.
 
 If the original message has not been read, the original message is deleted 
 and the recipient is informed that the sender, deleted the message from his 
 or her mailbox. 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 26/07/2013, at 9:22 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone
 
 I had the experience last night where someone withdrew an email they had 
 previously sent. I had read the email but they then withdrew it from my 
 inbox. I seem to remember the dim dark past that this was possible, but had 
 forgotten it.
 I guess what worries me it that this can disrupt a chain of correspondence 
 and/or revoke records you may wish to keep.
 My question is : Can emails be withdrawn? (They obviously can :) ) Can it 
 be recovered if done? Can it be stopped?
 The mind boggles at the ability to withdraw receipts etc.
 
 Kind regards
 Peter
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Re: Email withdrawal

[Curtis Peter]

Hi Ronni
The sender is someone I know and I contacted them to resend the email which 
they did. She said she withdrew the email because she thought she had sent it 
to another person with a similar name. I think I can trust the person but of 
course you never really know.
As I said previously, I was not concerned about the actual email, but the fact 
that it could be done
I was able to open the winmail.dat via TNEF but all is showed was that the 
sender was asking for the email back.
I'll probably contact the sender again and query just how it's done if she'll 
tell me!
Kind regards
Peter
On 26/07/2013, at 10:59 AM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Peter,
 
 I have never heard of this happening in any Mail client other than Microsoft 
 Exchange, Outlook. 
 It is impossible (so I have always understood) for the sender to delete an 
 email that has come through your ISP  into your POP mail Inbox. He/she would 
 have to gain access to your computer...
 
 Is the sender of this email a work colleague... or someone you can trust?
 it sounds a bit suspect to me.
 
 TNEF can open winmail.dat files, 
 http://www.joshjacob.com/mac-development/tnef.php
 But unless you are very sure what this file contains, I would not recommend 
 you open it.
 
 Need to find out more about the origin of this email etc.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 26/07/2013, at 10:31 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni
 
 I use Apple mail and it's a POP email account (not sure if it's a POP3) I 
 wasn't aware I was using an Exchange server email account. 
 The message had certainly been read, and shown as read in the inbox, yet 
 still recovered by the sender. In it's place was a file called winmail.dat 
 which I couldn't open even with the services of an online recovery program.
 The specific email is not a problem, it's unimportant and  has no interest 
 to me other than it can actually be done!
 
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
 On 26/07/2013, at 9:45 AM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 This feature requires you to use a Microsoft Exchange account. Most home 
 and personal accounts do not use Exchange. The recipient of the mail you 
 want to recall must also be using an Exchange server e-mail account. For 
 example, you cannot recall a message sent to someone's personal Internet 
 service provider (ISP) POP3 e-mail account.
 
 I was of the understanding that if the original message is marked as read 
 (viewing in the Reading Pane doesn't constitute reading in this scenario) 
 when the recall message is processed, the recipient is informed that the 
 sender, wants to delete the message, but the message remains in the 
 recipient's mailbox.
 
 If the original message has not been read, the original message is deleted 
 and the recipient is informed that the sender, deleted the message from his 
 or her mailbox. 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 26/07/2013, at 9:22 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone
 
 I had the experience last night where someone withdrew an email they had 
 previously sent. I had read the email but they then withdrew it from my 
 inbox. I seem to remember the dim dark past that this was possible, but 
 had forgotten it.
 I guess what worries me it that this can disrupt a chain of correspondence 
 and/or revoke records you may wish to keep.
 My question is : Can emails be withdrawn? (They obviously can :) ) Can it 
 be recovered if done? Can it be stopped?
 The mind boggles at the ability to withdraw receipts etc.
 
 Kind regards
 Peter
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Re: Email withdrawal

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Are you on the same Server as they are? Or are you using a separate ISP 
server... Such as iiNet?  That is...  Your email mail server is outside of 
their mail server? A mail server outside of your office. 
 
Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4

On 26/07/2013, at 12:46 PM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:

 Hi Ronni
 The sender is someone I know and I contacted them to resend the email which 
 they did. She said she withdrew the email because she thought she had sent it 
 to another person with a similar name. I think I can trust the person but of 
 course you never really know.
 As I said previously, I was not concerned about the actual email, but the 
 fact that it could be done
 I was able to open the winmail.dat via TNEF but all is showed was that the 
 sender was asking for the email back.
 I'll probably contact the sender again and query just how it's done if she'll 
 tell me!
 Kind regards
 Peter
 On 26/07/2013, at 10:59 AM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 I have never heard of this happening in any Mail client other than Microsoft 
 Exchange, Outlook. 
 It is impossible (so I have always understood) for the sender to delete an 
 email that has come through your ISP  into your POP mail Inbox. He/she 
 would have to gain access to your computer...
 
 Is the sender of this email a work colleague... or someone you can trust?
 it sounds a bit suspect to me.
 
 TNEF can open winmail.dat files, 
 http://www.joshjacob.com/mac-development/tnef.php
 But unless you are very sure what this file contains, I would not recommend 
 you open it.
 
 Need to find out more about the origin of this email etc.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 26/07/2013, at 10:31 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni
 
 I use Apple mail and it's a POP email account (not sure if it's a POP3) I 
 wasn't aware I was using an Exchange server email account. 
 The message had certainly been read, and shown as read in the inbox, yet 
 still recovered by the sender. In it's place was a file called winmail.dat 
 which I couldn't open even with the services of an online recovery program.
 The specific email is not a problem, it's unimportant and  has no interest 
 to me other than it can actually be done!
 
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
 On 26/07/2013, at 9:45 AM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 This feature requires you to use a Microsoft Exchange account. Most home 
 and personal accounts do not use Exchange. The recipient of the mail you 
 want to recall must also be using an Exchange server e-mail account. For 
 example, you cannot recall a message sent to someone's personal Internet 
 service provider (ISP) POP3 e-mail account.
 
 I was of the understanding that if the original message is marked as read 
 (viewing in the Reading Pane doesn't constitute reading in this scenario) 
 when the recall message is processed, the recipient is informed that the 
 sender, wants to delete the message, but the message remains in the 
 recipient's mailbox.
 
 If the original message has not been read, the original message is deleted 
 and the recipient is informed that the sender, deleted the message from 
 his or her mailbox. 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 26/07/2013, at 9:22 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone
 
 I had the experience last night where someone withdrew an email they had 
 previously sent. I had read the email but they then withdrew it from my 
 inbox. I seem to remember the dim dark past that this was possible, but 
 had forgotten it.
 I guess what worries me it that this can disrupt a chain of 
 correspondence and/or revoke records you may wish to keep.
 My question is : Can emails be withdrawn? (They obviously can :) ) Can it 
 be recovered if done? Can it be stopped?
 The mind boggles at the ability to withdraw receipts etc.
 
 Kind regards
 Peter
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Re: email alert

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Merv,

Was the “exceeded your email quota” asking for your Username and Password so 
they could re-set?
There was a similar Phishing Scam going around a few years ago.

I haven’t had any similar to the ones you mention below.
I have been receiving more than normal junk mail in my iCloud Mail account 
lately.

Cheers,
Ronni

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On 04/04/2012, at 8:37 AM, Merv Bond wrote:

 I received an email a few days ago telling me I had exceeded my email 
 quota. It was from an individual not iiNet who is my provider. I deleted 
 the email.
 On the same day I received an offensive email, different sender. I sent 
 a copy of the email code to iiNet support and yesterday I received a 
 phone call from what I assume is iiNet's call centre advising me to send 
 the code to s...@access.ironport.com  which I did.
 
 Today I received another exceeded my email quota from a Redmond, 
 George (NIH/NCE) [E]. I didn't note the sender of the previous of email 
 and I can't remember whether it was Redmond George or not. I haven't 
 opened this email.  Has anyone else had this sort of message?
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Re: email alert

[Daniel Kerr]

Just seen the same at a clients. 
It's a link pretending to be a google link. 
Just junk trying to pretend to be something real. 
Had the same sender. 

Just deleted it and carried on. :)

Kind regards
Daniel

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On 04/04/2012, at 10:22 AM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Merv,
 
 Was the “exceeded your email quota” asking for your Username and Password so 
 they could re-set?
 There was a similar Phishing Scam going around a few years ago.
 
 I haven’t had any similar to the ones you mention below.
 I have been receiving more than normal junk mail in my iCloud Mail account 
 lately.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
 OS X 10.7.3 Lion
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 
 
 On 04/04/2012, at 8:37 AM, Merv Bond wrote:
 
 I received an email a few days ago telling me I had exceeded my email 
 quota. It was from an individual not iiNet who is my provider. I deleted 
 the email.
 On the same day I received an offensive email, different sender. I sent 
 a copy of the email code to iiNet support and yesterday I received a 
 phone call from what I assume is iiNet's call centre advising me to send 
 the code to s...@access.ironport.com  which I did.
 
 Today I received another exceeded my email quota from a Redmond, 
 George (NIH/NCE) [E]. I didn't note the sender of the previous of email 
 and I can't remember whether it was Redmond George or not. I haven't 
 opened this email.  Has anyone else had this sort of message?
 Merv
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Re: email alert

[Merv Bond]

Hi Ronni
The email gave a url to visit, which I did not touch. Since last writing 
I inadvertently opened the email and the url is
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHMzc0VHSlNhWFNQa2lMWDRfcW1CTnc6MQ
 

Merv

On 4/04/12 10:22 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 Hi Merv,

 Was the “exceeded your email quota” asking for your Username and Password so 
 they could re-set?
 There was a similar Phishing Scam going around a few years ago.

 I haven’t had any similar to the ones you mention below.
 I have been receiving more than normal junk mail in my iCloud Mail account 
 lately.

 Cheers,
 Ronni

 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

 OS X 10.7.3 Lion
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)



 On 04/04/2012, at 8:37 AM, Merv Bond wrote:

 I received an email a few days ago telling me I had exceeded my email
 quota. It was from an individual not iiNet who is my provider. I deleted
 the email.
 On the same day I received an offensive email, different sender. I sent
 a copy of the email code to iiNet support and yesterday I received a
 phone call from what I assume is iiNet's call centre advising me to send
 the code tos...@access.ironport.com   which I did.

 Today I received another exceeded my email quota from a Redmond,
 George (NIH/NCE) [E]. I didn't note the sender of the previous of email
 and I can't remember whether it was Redmond George or not. I haven't
 opened this email.  Has anyone else had this sort of message?
 Merv
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Re: email alert

[Merv Bond]

Thanks Daniel. Will trash immediately.
Merv

On 4/04/12 10:32 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
 Just seen the same at a clients.
 It's a link pretending to be a google link.
 Just junk trying to pretend to be something real.
 Had the same sender.

 Just deleted it and carried on. :)

 Kind regards
 Daniel

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 On 04/04/2012, at 10:22 AM, Ronda Brownro...@mac.com  wrote:

 Hi Merv,

 Was the “exceeded your email quota” asking for your Username and Password so 
 they could re-set?
 There was a similar Phishing Scam going around a few years ago.

 I haven’t had any similar to the ones you mention below.
 I have been receiving more than normal junk mail in my iCloud Mail account 
 lately.

 Cheers,
 Ronni

 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

 OS X 10.7.3 Lion
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)



 On 04/04/2012, at 8:37 AM, Merv Bond wrote:

 I received an email a few days ago telling me I had exceeded my email
 quota. It was from an individual not iiNet who is my provider. I deleted
 the email.
 On the same day I received an offensive email, different sender. I sent
 a copy of the email code to iiNet support and yesterday I received a
 phone call from what I assume is iiNet's call centre advising me to send
 the code tos...@access.ironport.com   which I did.

 Today I received another exceeded my email quota from a Redmond,
 George (NIH/NCE) [E]. I didn't note the sender of the previous of email
 and I can't remember whether it was Redmond George or not. I haven't
 opened this email.  Has anyone else had this sort of message?
 Merv
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Re: email alert

[Severin Crisp]

I have been getting that one monotonously on an almost daily basis!
Severin Crisp

On 04/04/2012, at 10:22 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 Hi Merv,
 
 Was the “exceeded your email quota” asking for your Username and Password so 
 they could re-set?
 There was a similar Phishing Scam going around a few years ago.
 
 I haven’t had any similar to the ones you mention below.
 I have been receiving more than normal junk mail in my iCloud Mail account 
 lately.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
 OS X 10.7.3 Lion
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 
 
 On 04/04/2012, at 8:37 AM, Merv Bond wrote:
 
 I received an email a few days ago telling me I had exceeded my email 
 quota. It was from an individual not iiNet who is my provider. I deleted 
 the email.
 On the same day I received an offensive email, different sender. I sent 
 a copy of the email code to iiNet support and yesterday I received a 
 phone call from what I assume is iiNet's call centre advising me to send 
 the code to s...@access.ironport.com  which I did.
 
 Today I received another exceeded my email quota from a Redmond, 
 George (NIH/NCE) [E]. I didn't note the sender of the previous of email 
 and I can't remember whether it was Redmond George or not. I haven't 
 opened this email.  Has anyone else had this sort of message?
 Merv
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Re: email on ipad 2

[Ronda Brown]

On 24/10/2011, at 4:08 PM, Samantha Whitely wrote:

 Hello everyone, 
 
 I was just curious as to whether there would be an easy solution to the 
 following problem.
 
 My husband, has a work iPad that he is unable to download any applications 
 on, nor is he able to get to the webmail section on the internet of the 
 provider.
 
 There are 19,900 or so (there was 20,000 yesterday) emails that he needs to 
 download and sort through - and mainly delete, but on the iPad he can only 
 download 45 at a time.
 Also so far he has not found a 'select all' option and so has been deleting 
 them one at a time … although he is going to have another look for that this 
 afternoon he tells me.
 
 He is using the mail application built into the pad.
 
 If anyone has any suggestions, they would be awfully appreciated at the 
 moment!

Hi Sam,

I realise you meant to post this on GMUG Mailing list, but it’s here now so ;-)

To Delete Multiple Messages: Tap Edit. 
Tap the circle to the left of one or more messages to “check” them. 
Tap Delete to delete the checked messages.

Cheers,
Ronni

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Re: email on ipad 2

[Samantha Whitely]

I did, but resent it to gmug anyway just in case as well.

So there is no select all button or shortcut I gather, how you noted is how he 
is doing it, which isn't hard, but with that amount it is really boring and 
repetitive.

Ah well, time to put a movie on, pour a drink and start deleting for the 
evening I think.

Sam

On 24/10/2011, at 4:36 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 
 On 24/10/2011, at 4:08 PM, Samantha Whitely wrote:
 
 Hello everyone, 
 
 I was just curious as to whether there would be an easy solution to the 
 following problem.
 
 My husband, has a work iPad that he is unable to download any applications 
 on, nor is he able to get to the webmail section on the internet of the 
 provider.
 
 There are 19,900 or so (there was 20,000 yesterday) emails that he needs to 
 download and sort through - and mainly delete, but on the iPad he can only 
 download 45 at a time.
 Also so far he has not found a 'select all' option and so has been deleting 
 them one at a time … although he is going to have another look for that this 
 afternoon he tells me.
 
 He is using the mail application built into the pad.
 
 If anyone has any suggestions, they would be awfully appreciated at the 
 moment!
 
 Hi Sam,
 
 I realise you meant to post this on GMUG Mailing list, but it’s here now so 
 ;-)
 
 To Delete Multiple Messages: Tap Edit. 
 Tap the circle to the left of one or more messages to “check” them. 
 Tap Delete to delete the checked messages.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
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 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
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Re: email on ipad 2

[cm]

Hi Sam,

For such a large number of emails he might find it easier to do the culling on 
a Mac or (dare I say it) a Windows PC. If it is a IMAP account, changes made on 
the server will be propagated to the iPad.

Cheers,
Carlo

Sent from my iPad

On 24/10/2011, at 17:22, Samantha Whitely wh...@internode.on.net wrote:

 I did, but resent it to gmug anyway just in case as well.
 
 So there is no select all button or shortcut I gather, how you noted is how 
 he is doing it, which isn't hard, but with that amount it is really boring 
 and repetitive.
 
 Ah well, time to put a movie on, pour a drink and start deleting for the 
 evening I think.
 
 Sam
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 4:36 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 4:08 PM, Samantha Whitely wrote:
 
 Hello everyone, 
 
 I was just curious as to whether there would be an easy solution to the 
 following problem.
 
 My husband, has a work iPad that he is unable to download any applications 
 on, nor is he able to get to the webmail section on the internet of the 
 provider.
 
 There are 19,900 or so (there was 20,000 yesterday) emails that he needs to 
 download and sort through - and mainly delete, but on the iPad he can only 
 download 45 at a time.
 Also so far he has not found a 'select all' option and so has been deleting 
 them one at a time … although he is going to have another look for that 
 this afternoon he tells me.
 
 He is using the mail application built into the pad.
 
 If anyone has any suggestions, they would be awfully appreciated at the 
 moment!
 
 Hi Sam,
 
 I realise you meant to post this on GMUG Mailing list, but it’s here now so 
 ;-)
 
 To Delete Multiple Messages: Tap Edit. 
 Tap the circle to the left of one or more messages to “check” them. 
 Tap Delete to delete the checked messages.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
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 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: email on ipad 2

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Sam,

Pity all the emails aren’t in the Trash Mailbox, you CAN Empty all Trash 
easily. 
Go to Mailboxes, select trash, scroll to bottom of list, select Edit at top of 
page. 
Option to 'Delete All' is in Red at bottom. Click it and...all gone

There is no way to delete ALL emails. Trash ? yes. emails? no

On the iPad , perhaps he  could just 'Delete the email Account’ ... and all the 
emails are gone!
Then Setup his email Account again in Settings  Mail, Contacts , Calendars - 
Accounts.

Might work hey Carlo?

Cheers,
Ronni

On 24/10/2011, at 5:30 PM, cm wrote:

 Hi Sam,
 
 For such a large number of emails he might find it easier to do the culling 
 on a Mac or (dare I say it) a Windows PC. If it is a IMAP account, changes 
 made on the server will be propagated to the iPad.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 17:22, Samantha Whitely wh...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 I did, but resent it to gmug anyway just in case as well.
 
 So there is no select all button or shortcut I gather, how you noted is how 
 he is doing it, which isn't hard, but with that amount it is really boring 
 and repetitive.
 
 Ah well, time to put a movie on, pour a drink and start deleting for the 
 evening I think.
 
 Sam
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 4:36 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 4:08 PM, Samantha Whitely wrote:
 
 Hello everyone, 
 
 I was just curious as to whether there would be an easy solution to the 
 following problem.
 
 My husband, has a work iPad that he is unable to download any applications 
 on, nor is he able to get to the webmail section on the internet of the 
 provider.
 
 There are 19,900 or so (there was 20,000 yesterday) emails that he needs 
 to download and sort through - and mainly delete, but on the iPad he can 
 only download 45 at a time.
 Also so far he has not found a 'select all' option and so has been 
 deleting them one at a time … although he is going to have another look 
 for that this afternoon he tells me.
 
 He is using the mail application built into the pad.
 
 If anyone has any suggestions, they would be awfully appreciated at the 
 moment!
 
 Hi Sam,
 
 I realise you meant to post this on GMUG Mailing list, but it’s here now so 
 ;-)
 
 To Delete Multiple Messages: Tap Edit. 
 Tap the circle to the left of one or more messages to “check” them. 
 Tap Delete to delete the checked messages.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
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 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
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Re: email on ipad 2

[cm]

Yes, worth a try Ronni. Considering the size of the task some creative work 
avoidance may pay off. :-)

Cheers,
C

Sent from my iPad

On 24/10/2011, at 17:41, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Sam,
 
 Pity all the emails aren’t in the Trash Mailbox, you CAN Empty all Trash 
 easily. 
 Go to Mailboxes, select trash, scroll to bottom of list, select Edit at top 
 of page. 
 Option to 'Delete All' is in Red at bottom. Click it and...all gone
 
 There is no way to delete ALL emails. Trash ? yes. emails? no
 
 On the iPad , perhaps he  could just 'Delete the email Account’ ... and all 
 the emails are gone!
 Then Setup his email Account again in Settings  Mail, Contacts , Calendars - 
 Accounts.
 
 Might work hey Carlo?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 5:30 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Hi Sam,
 
 For such a large number of emails he might find it easier to do the culling 
 on a Mac or (dare I say it) a Windows PC. If it is a IMAP account, changes 
 made on the server will be propagated to the iPad.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 17:22, Samantha Whitely wh...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 I did, but resent it to gmug anyway just in case as well.
 
 So there is no select all button or shortcut I gather, how you noted is how 
 he is doing it, which isn't hard, but with that amount it is really boring 
 and repetitive.
 
 Ah well, time to put a movie on, pour a drink and start deleting for the 
 evening I think.
 
 Sam
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 4:36 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 4:08 PM, Samantha Whitely wrote:
 
 Hello everyone, 
 
 I was just curious as to whether there would be an easy solution to the 
 following problem.
 
 My husband, has a work iPad that he is unable to download any 
 applications on, nor is he able to get to the webmail section on the 
 internet of the provider.
 
 There are 19,900 or so (there was 20,000 yesterday) emails that he needs 
 to download and sort through - and mainly delete, but on the iPad he can 
 only download 45 at a time.
 Also so far he has not found a 'select all' option and so has been 
 deleting them one at a time … although he is going to have another look 
 for that this afternoon he tells me.
 
 He is using the mail application built into the pad.
 
 If anyone has any suggestions, they would be awfully appreciated at the 
 moment!
 
 Hi Sam,
 
 I realise you meant to post this on GMUG Mailing list, but it’s here now 
 so ;-)
 
 To Delete Multiple Messages: Tap Edit. 
 Tap the circle to the left of one or more messages to “check” them. 
 Tap Delete to delete the checked messages.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
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Re: email on ipad 2

[Samantha Whitely]

That would be nice, but the boss is rather strict over how many computers an 
account is allowed to be seen on …. namely one!

I'll see if maybe hubby can talk to the boss and either do that or get onto the 
web to do it …. selling point may be the amount of downloads he is going to 
have to do to clear it out!

Thanks for your advice though

Sam

On 24/10/2011, at 6:10 PM, cm wrote:

 Yes, worth a try Ronni. Considering the size of the task some creative work 
 avoidance may pay off. :-)
 
 Cheers,
 C
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 17:41, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Sam,
 
 Pity all the emails aren’t in the Trash Mailbox, you CAN Empty all Trash 
 easily. 
 Go to Mailboxes, select trash, scroll to bottom of list, select Edit at top 
 of page. 
 Option to 'Delete All' is in Red at bottom. Click it and...all gone
 
 There is no way to delete ALL emails. Trash ? yes. emails? no
 
 On the iPad , perhaps he  could just 'Delete the email Account’ ... and all 
 the emails are gone!
 Then Setup his email Account again in Settings  Mail, Contacts , Calendars 
 - Accounts.
 
 Might work hey Carlo?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 5:30 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Hi Sam,
 
 For such a large number of emails he might find it easier to do the culling 
 on a Mac or (dare I say it) a Windows PC. If it is a IMAP account, changes 
 made on the server will be propagated to the iPad.
 
 Cheers,
 Carlo
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 17:22, Samantha Whitely wh...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 I did, but resent it to gmug anyway just in case as well.
 
 So there is no select all button or shortcut I gather, how you noted is 
 how he is doing it, which isn't hard, but with that amount it is really 
 boring and repetitive.
 
 Ah well, time to put a movie on, pour a drink and start deleting for the 
 evening I think.
 
 Sam
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 4:36 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 
 On 24/10/2011, at 4:08 PM, Samantha Whitely wrote:
 
 Hello everyone, 
 
 I was just curious as to whether there would be an easy solution to the 
 following problem.
 
 My husband, has a work iPad that he is unable to download any 
 applications on, nor is he able to get to the webmail section on the 
 internet of the provider.
 
 There are 19,900 or so (there was 20,000 yesterday) emails that he needs 
 to download and sort through - and mainly delete, but on the iPad he can 
 only download 45 at a time.
 Also so far he has not found a 'select all' option and so has been 
 deleting them one at a time … although he is going to have another look 
 for that this afternoon he tells me.
 
 He is using the mail application built into the pad.
 
 If anyone has any suggestions, they would be awfully appreciated at the 
 moment!
 
 Hi Sam,
 
 I realise you meant to post this on GMUG Mailing list, but it’s here now 
 so ;-)
 
 To Delete Multiple Messages: Tap Edit. 
 Tap the circle to the left of one or more messages to “check” them. 
 Tap Delete to delete the checked messages.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
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Re: email hacked?

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 04/06/2011, at 8:44 AM, Merv Bond wrote:

 
 Hi
 Following is the source coding for an email received from someone I do not 
 know and I do not recognise the two other recipients.
 Could my email be compromised?
 Merv
 
 

It's most unlikely that your email has been compromised. It's much more likely 
that the mail system of some unknown Windows user has been compromised. The 
typical behaviour of many viruses, once they land on a computer, is generate 
email messages base on random searches of the host's address book, using 
different addresses for the sender and the user. This message has come from a 
computer that at one time has either received a message from you, or sent one 
to you. It could even be from some business which has purchased a list of email 
addresses from some organisation which concerns itself with selling such lists. 
There's really no way of tracing this stuff back to anyone. Just delete and 
move on.

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Re: email hacked?

[Merv Bond]

Thanks for the advice, Peter. Will do.
Merv

On Mon6Jun2011 Mon6Jun9:41 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:



On 04/06/2011, at 8:44 AM, Merv Bond wrote:



Hi
Following is the source coding for an email received from someone I do not know 
and I do not recognise the two other recipients.
Could my email be compromised?
Merv




It's most unlikely that your email has been compromised. It's much more likely 
that the mail system of some unknown Windows user has been compromised. The 
typical behaviour of many viruses, once they land on a computer, is generate 
email messages base on random searches of the host's address book, using 
different addresses for the sender and the user. This message has come from a 
computer that at one time has either received a message from you, or sent one 
to you. It could even be from some business which has purchased a list of email 
addresses from some organisation which concerns itself with selling such lists. 
There's really no way of tracing this stuff back to anyone. Just delete and 
move on.

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FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
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Re: email strange behaviour

[Ronda Brown]

Hi James,

Quit Mail, and in Finder navigate to your Home/Library/Mail folder
Then to your particular email account name folder
In there will be one called Outbox.mbox
You can drag that whole Outbox.mbox to the trash.
Open Mail App  it will create a new Outbox.mbox


Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 12/04/2011, at 2:51 PM, James / Hans Kunz sad...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 hello guys
 a friends email 2.1.3 on emac ppc 10.5.8 installed has something strange with 
 outgoing emails
 when i create a new email it goes straight away,
 when i forward an email (w/ attachement) then it goes into the outbox  stays 
 there sometimes for hours or days then suddenly it's gone
 i tried:
 changing the port from 25 to 465
 changing to use password  username when sending emails (as it is set in my 
 macbook pro 10.6.7)
 because it's an iinet adress i tried mail.iinet.net.au  also 
 mail.m.iinet.net.au
 the activity window shows 100% send but stays with a blue striped bar, which 
 may mean mail is waiting for confirmation from the iinet server
 the internet has an 'incredible' high speed (accprding to telstra) of 
 500kbps = 0.5Mbps
 
 cheer James
 
 SAD Technic
 U3 6 Chalkley Pl
 Bayswater WA
 Australia
 +618 9370 5307
 mob 0414 421132 (international +614 14421132)
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Re: email strange behaviour

[Ronda Brown]

Hi James,

I’ve just found time to re-read your email and noticed that the problem you are 
having is when forwarding an email that already has an attachment in it.
 when i forward an email (w/ attachement) then it goes into the outbox  
 stays there sometimes for hours or days then suddenly it's gone

You need to forward the entire message as a separate attachment—so it’ll look 
exactly like it did when you got it.
So instead of choosing Message  Forward or clicking the Forward button, choose 
Message  Forward as Attachment. 
Mail converts the message to a .eml (email) file, which most email clients (Mac 
or PC) can read, and attaches it to your outgoing message.

Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro  Intel Core i7
2.66GHz / 8GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200rpm

OS X 10.6.7 Snow Leopard
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)



On 12/04/2011, at 3:24 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 Hi James,
 
 Quit Mail, and in Finder navigate to your Home/Library/Mail folder
 Then to your particular email account name folder
 In there will be one called Outbox.mbox
 You can drag that whole Outbox.mbox to the trash.
 Open Mail App  it will create a new Outbox.mbox
 
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad
 
 On 12/04/2011, at 2:51 PM, James / Hans Kunz sad...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 hello guys
 a friends email 2.1.3 on emac ppc 10.5.8 installed has something strange 
 with outgoing emails
 when i create a new email it goes straight away,
 when i forward an email (w/ attachement) then it goes into the outbox  
 stays there sometimes for hours or days then suddenly it's gone
 i tried:
 changing the port from 25 to 465
 changing to use password  username when sending emails (as it is set in my 
 macbook pro 10.6.7)
 because it's an iinet adress i tried mail.iinet.net.au  also 
 mail.m.iinet.net.au
 the activity window shows 100% send but stays with a blue striped bar, which 
 may mean mail is waiting for confirmation from the iinet server
 the internet has an 'incredible' high speed (accprding to telstra) of 
 500kbps = 0.5Mbps
 
 cheer James
 
 SAD Technic
 U3 6 Chalkley Pl
 Bayswater WA
 Australia
 +618 9370 5307
 mob 0414 421132 (international +614 14421132)
 sad...@iinet.net.au
 http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~saddas/
 
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Re: email strange behaviour

[James / Hans Kunz]

hello Ronni
thanks for the advice
we did the first suggestion: delete outbox.mbox
 now the forwarded letters are going out straight away
many thanks James
SAD Technic
U3 6 Chalkley Pl
Bayswater WA
Australia
+618 9370 5307
mob 0414 421132 (international +614 14421132)
sad...@iinet.net.au
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~saddas/

Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which difficulties 
disappear and obstacles vanish.

On 13/04/2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 Hi James,
 
 I’ve just found time to re-read your email and noticed that the problem you 
 are having is when forwarding an email that already has an attachment in it.
 when i forward an email (w/ attachement) then it goes into the outbox  
 stays there sometimes for hours or days then suddenly it's gone
 
 You need to forward the entire message as a separate attachment—so it’ll look 
 exactly like it did when you got it.
 So instead of choosing Message  Forward or clicking the Forward button, 
 choose Message  Forward as Attachment. 
 Mail converts the message to a .eml (email) file, which most email clients 
 (Mac or PC) can read, and attaches it to your outgoing message.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro  Intel Core i7
 2.66GHz / 8GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200rpm
 
 OS X 10.6.7 Snow Leopard
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 
 
 On 12/04/2011, at 3:24 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi James,
 
 Quit Mail, and in Finder navigate to your Home/Library/Mail folder
 Then to your particular email account name folder
 In there will be one called Outbox.mbox
 You can drag that whole Outbox.mbox to the trash.
 Open Mail App  it will create a new Outbox.mbox
 
 
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Re: Any ideas re email send not working ?

[Stephen Chape]

Thanks for your assistance with this email issue folks.
But it was all due to silly me !!
For Outgoing Server I had entered westnet.com.au instead of 
mail.westnet.com.au

On 12/10/2010, at 8:49 PM, Stuart Breden wrote:

 Hi Stephen
 
 It is easiest to show you by sending you screen shots of how to do it but am 
 not allowed to.
 
 I suggest you get your ISP to take you through it.  That is what I did when I 
 had similar problems.
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 
 
 On 12/10/2010, at 6:09 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 I just set up my step daughters's new iMac and everything works fine with 
 one exception.
 She receives email but it will not send.
 She is logging in as administrator and her 2 kids as users.
 I am sure I set each account up in the same way, but the kids can send email 
 and she can't.
 I notice that in Mail settings for her account the Outgoing Mail Server has 
 offline in brackets
 at the end of the name, but the others do not.
 
 Any ideas how I can fix this please ?
 
 This is a brand new iMac with very latest OSX  Mail etc.
 
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Any ideas re email send not working ?

[Stephen Chape]

Hi folks,

I just set up my step daughters's new iMac and everything works fine with one 
exception.
She receives email but it will not send.
She is logging in as administrator and her 2 kids as users.
I am sure I set each account up in the same way, but the kids can send email 
and she can't.
I notice that in Mail settings for her account the Outgoing Mail Server has 
offline in brackets
at the end of the name, but the others do not.

Any ideas how I can fix this please ?

This is a brand new iMac with very latest OSX  Mail etc.

Regards,
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Re: Any ideas re email send not working ?

[Stuart Breden]

Hi Stephen

It is easiest to show you by sending you screen shots of how to do it  
but am not allowed to.


I suggest you get your ISP to take you through it.  That is what I did  
when I had similar problems.


Stuart Breden
PO Box 132
Kalamunda WA 6926
Ph: (08) 9257 1577
Mbl: 0417 053 266



On 12/10/2010, at 6:09 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:


Hi folks,

I just set up my step daughters's new iMac and everything works fine  
with one exception.

She receives email but it will not send.
She is logging in as administrator and her 2 kids as users.
I am sure I set each account up in the same way, but the kids can  
send email and she can't.
I notice that in Mail settings for her account the Outgoing Mail  
Server has offline in brackets

at the end of the name, but the others do not.

Any ideas how I can fix this please ?

This is a brand new iMac with very latest OSX  Mail etc.

Regards,
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Re: Any ideas re email send not working ?

[James / Hans Kunz]

or may be Stephen can include his off the list email adress to send  
pix there

James

On 12/10/2010, at 20:49, Stuart Breden wrote:


Hi Stephen

It is easiest to show you by sending you screen shots of how to do  
it but am not allowed to.


I suggest you get your ISP to take you through it.  That is what I  
did when I had similar problems.


Stuart Breden
PO Box 132
Kalamunda WA 6926
Ph: (08) 9257 1577
Mbl: 0417 053 266



On 12/10/2010, at 6:09 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:


Hi folks,

I just set up my step daughters's new iMac and everything works  
fine with one exception.

She receives email but it will not send.
She is logging in as administrator and her 2 kids as users.
I am sure I set each account up in the same way, but the kids can  
send email and she can't.
I notice that in Mail settings for her account the Outgoing Mail  
Server has offline in brackets

at the end of the name, but the others do not.

Any ideas how I can fix this please ?

This is a brand new iMac with very latest OSX  Mail etc.

Regards,
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Re: Any ideas re email send not working ?

[Stephen Chape]

Thank you Stuart.
My email is ch...@westnet.com.au

On 12/10/2010, at 8:49 PM, Stuart Breden wrote:

 Hi Stephen
 
 It is easiest to show you by sending you screen shots of how to do it but am 
 not allowed to.
 
 I suggest you get your ISP to take you through it.  That is what I did when I 
 had similar problems.
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 
 
 On 12/10/2010, at 6:09 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 I just set up my step daughters's new iMac and everything works fine with 
 one exception.
 She receives email but it will not send.
 She is logging in as administrator and her 2 kids as users.
 I am sure I set each account up in the same way, but the kids can send email 
 and she can't.
 I notice that in Mail settings for her account the Outgoing Mail Server has 
 offline in brackets
 at the end of the name, but the others do not.
 
 Any ideas how I can fix this please ?
 
 This is a brand new iMac with very latest OSX  Mail etc.
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
 
 
 
 
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Re: Any ideas re email send not working ?

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 12/10/2010, at 6:09 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:

 Hi folks,
 
 I just set up my step daughters's new iMac and everything works fine with one 
 exception.
 She receives email but it will not send.
 She is logging in as administrator and her 2 kids as users.
 I am sure I set each account up in the same way, but the kids can send email 
 and she can't.
 I notice that in Mail settings for her account the Outgoing Mail Server has 
 offline in brackets
 at the end of the name, but the others do not.
 
 Any ideas how I can fix this please ?
 
 This is a brand new iMac with very latest OSX  Mail etc.
 

Is there any chance that you have authentication turned on in your SMTP 
settings? If so, turn it off.

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Re: email address

[Diana Graham Stevens]

On 1/4/09 10:17 AM, F.W. Hänel whae...@iinet.net.au wrote:


Hi Diana,

could you please let me know whether I have to go onto the Wamug website to
post a question or can it be sent as an email ?

Have just sent a query to wamug@wamug.org.au 
but it was not able to be delivered.


Hi Walter

You just send an email. I don't understand why 
your message did not get through. Try copying the 
address below and pasting it into your email in 
case there is some hidden character in it.


WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au

If that does not work send me your message  I shall send it to the list.

I have sent a copy of this to the list, maybe someone will be able to help?

Diana

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Re: email address

[Daniel Forsdyke]

You may need to check what email address you are sending from. The  
list will only accept posts from subscribed email addresses.


For example I have about 4 or 5 email addresses but I only use my .mac  
address to subscribe to the list, therefore I can only post to the  
list by sending from the .mac account


HTH

Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 01/04/2009, at 10:38, Diana  Graham Stevens diag...@iinet.net.au  
wrote:



On 1/4/09 10:17 AM, F.W. Hänel whae...@iinet.net.au wrote:


Hi Diana,

could you please let me know whether I have to go onto the Wamug  
website to

post a question or can it be sent as an email ?

Have just sent a query to wamug@wamug.org.au but it was not able to  
be delivered.


Hi Walter

You just send an email. I don't understand why your message did not  
get through. Try copying the address below and pasting it into your  
email in case there is some hidden character in it.


WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au

If that does not work send me your message  I shall send it to the  
list.


I have sent a copy of this to the list, maybe someone will be able  
to help?


Diana

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Re: email address

[F.W. Hänel]

Hi Daniel,

I'm a little confused. I have posted at least once before, but have  
just registered again.
Then I tried to send the question again but it won't go through. The  
message is:

it only accepts plain text, and I have sent multipart/alternative
Do I have to select a particular font ?

Best regards

Walter
On 01/04/2009, at 11:03 AM, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:

You may need to check what email address you are sending from. The  
list will only accept posts from subscribed email addresses.


For example I have about 4 or 5 email addresses but I only use  
my .mac address to subscribe to the list, therefore I can only post  
to the list by sending from the .mac account


HTH

Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 01/04/2009, at 10:38, Diana  Graham Stevens  
diag...@iinet.net.au wrote:



On 1/4/09 10:17 AM, F.W. Hänel whae...@iinet.net.au wrote:


Hi Diana,

could you please let me know whether I have to go onto the Wamug  
website to

post a question or can it be sent as an email ?

Have just sent a query to wamug@wamug.org.au but it was not able  
to be delivered.


Hi Walter

You just send an email. I don't understand why your message did not  
get through. Try copying the address below and pasting it into your  
email in case there is some hidden character in it.


WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au

If that does not work send me your message  I shall send it to the  
list.


I have sent a copy of this to the list, maybe someone will be able  
to help?


Diana

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Re: email address

[Ronda Brown]

Hello Walter,

WAMUG only accepts Plain Text email.
Format  Plain Text.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 01/04/2009, at 12:00 PM, F.W. Hänel wrote:


Hi Daniel,

I'm a little confused. I have posted at least once before, but have  
just registered again.
Then I tried to send the question again but it won't go through. The  
message is:

it only accepts plain text, and I have sent multipart/alternative
Do I have to select a particular font ?

Best regards

Walter
On 01/04/2009, at 11:03 AM, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:

You may need to check what email address you are sending from. The  
list will only accept posts from subscribed email addresses.


For example I have about 4 or 5 email addresses but I only use  
my .mac address to subscribe to the list, therefore I can only post  
to the list by sending from the .mac account


HTH

Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 01/04/2009, at 10:38, Diana  Graham Stevens  
diag...@iinet.net.au wrote:



On 1/4/09 10:17 AM, F.W. Hänel whae...@iinet.net.au wrote:


Hi Diana,

could you please let me know whether I have to go onto the Wamug  
website to

post a question or can it be sent as an email ?

Have just sent a query to wamug@wamug.org.au but it was not able  
to be delivered.


Hi Walter

You just send an email. I don't understand why your message did  
not get through. Try copying the address below and pasting it into  
your email in case there is some hidden character in it.


WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au

If that does not work send me your message  I shall send it to  
the list.


I have sent a copy of this to the list, maybe someone will be able  
to help?


Diana



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Re: email address

[Daniel Forsdyke]

Hi Walter

As Ronni said the list only accepts plain text.

But I notice that your posts are now coming through to the post.

Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 01/04/2009, at 12:10, Ronda Brown ro...@wn.com.au wrote:


Hello Walter,

WAMUG only accepts Plain Text email.
Format  Plain Text.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 01/04/2009, at 12:00 PM, F.W. Hänel wrote:


Hi Daniel,

I'm a little confused. I have posted at least once before, but have  
just registered again.
Then I tried to send the question again but it won't go through.  
The message is:

it only accepts plain text, and I have sent multipart/alternative
Do I have to select a particular font ?

Best regards

Walter
On 01/04/2009, at 11:03 AM, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:

You may need to check what email address you are sending from. The  
list will only accept posts from subscribed email addresses.


For example I have about 4 or 5 email addresses but I only use  
my .mac address to subscribe to the list, therefore I can only  
post to the list by sending from the .mac account


HTH

Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 01/04/2009, at 10:38, Diana  Graham Stevens diag...@iinet.net.au 
 wrote:



On 1/4/09 10:17 AM, F.W. Hänel whae...@iinet.net.au wrote:


Hi Diana,

could you please let me know whether I have to go onto the Wamug  
website to

post a question or can it be sent as an email ?

Have just sent a query to wamug@wamug.org.au but it was not able  
to be delivered.


Hi Walter

You just send an email. I don't understand why your message did  
not get through. Try copying the address below and pasting it  
into your email in case there is some hidden character in it.


WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au

If that does not work send me your message  I shall send it to  
the list.


I have sent a copy of this to the list, maybe someone will be  
able to help?


Diana






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Re: Email being rejected

[Ronda Brown]

Good morning Wendy,

Looks like their email address has been removed. Would they have  
changed their email address lately and forgotten to inform you of  
their new address?


Cheers,
Ronni

On 13/03/2009, at 8:36 AM, Wendy S. Austin wrote:


Good morning

Email messages have started bouncing returning the message below to  
an addressee in Hobart with whom we have regular Email contact. 
This started happening yesterday afternoon on two laptops using  
Apple Mail.   I also tried sending the Email via Apple MobileMe web  
mail and also my GMail account, all bounced back.   Anyone know what  
I should do to fix this?


'Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;550-(asmtpout028.mac.com) [17.148.16.103] is  
currently not permitted to relay through this server. Perhaps you  
have not logged into the pop/imap server in the last 30 minutes or  
do not have SMTP Authentication tu
Remote system: dns;mail.(Email address removed)  (TCP|17.148.16.103| 
54140|203.28.48.2|25) (cronos.instanthosting.com.au ESMTP Exim 4.69  
#1 Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:28:46 +1100 )'


Many thanks.

Wendy
Mauritius Island



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Re: Email being rejected

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Wendy,

Disclaimer: I am not an email server guru - the following is my
understanding of a similar problem I had:

I recently had cause to become overly familiar with this (or a very similar)
error message!!

First-off  - the problem is not with your end but with the email recipient's
email account - hence you see the problem whichever account or computer you
send from.

So, assuming that Ronni's simpler scenario is not the problem in your case,
if you were in contact with this person by other means (phone?) I am pretty
sure that you would find that they have stopped (or had stopped if it has
since been fixed) receiving ALL mail on that account.

In my case, the problem was with email accounts associated with my personal
domain - initially I had had an unrelated problem with the domain (and
another one I look after) being down - which turned out to be a failure of
the DNS server at the hosting provider - this was quickly fixed but then
while the other domain was back to normal, I could get no mail on any email
account on my personal domain.

When I sent a few test messages from another account (Internode) I got
basically the same error message as you are seeing, in my case:

 n...@possumology.com: host 119.63.204.50[119.63.204.50] said:
 550-srv2-syd.eqx.sau.net.au [119.63.206.150] is currently not permitted to
 550-relay through this server. Perhaps you have not logged into the
 pop/imap 550-server in the last 30 minutes or do not have SMTP
 Authentication turned on 550 in your email client. (in reply to RCPT TO
 command)

I included this info in the support ticket I raised with the hosting
provider and, when they finally fixed the problem, they were somewhat vague
about how the problem arose:

 The cause of the issue is unknown at this stage.  We had a DNS server outage
 on Saturday night for our Sydney DNS servers and when these came back online
 on Sunday something had been modified on the hosting server itself which
 caused this issue.

So, to answer your question:

 - There is no problem indicated at your end.
 - They may have shut down this email account (as Ronni suggests).
 - If not they need to get their email account hosting provider to fix the
problem.

HTH


Cheers


Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 13/3/09 8:36 AM, Wendy S. Austin at wendy_aus...@mac.com wrote:

 Good morning
 
 Email messages have started bouncing returning the message below to an
 addressee in Hobart with whom we have regular Email contact.This
 started happening yesterday afternoon on two laptops using Apple
 Mail.   I also tried sending the Email via Apple MobileMe web mail and
 also my GMail account, all bounced back.   Anyone know what I should
 do to fix this?
 
 'Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
   Diagnostic code: smtp;550-(asmtpout028.mac.com) [17.148.16.103] is
 currently not permitted to relay through this server. Perhaps you have
 not logged into the pop/imap server in the last 30 minutes or do not
 have SMTP Authentication tu
   Remote system: dns;mail.(Email address removed)  (TCP|17.148.16.103|
 54140|203.28.48.2|25) (cronos.instanthosting.com.au ESMTP Exim 4.69 #1
 Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:28:46 +1100 )'
 
 Many thanks.
 
 Wendy
 Mauritius Island
 
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Re: Email being rejected

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Wendy,

I agree with Neil, The remote host is either blocking you in  
particular or a whole scope.


You would need to take it up with that hosts mail admin. i.e..  
cronos.instanthosting.com.au.

They have been known to block certain ISP's.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 13/03/2009, at 9:51 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:


Hi Wendy,

Disclaimer: I am not an email server guru - the following is my
understanding of a similar problem I had:

I recently had cause to become overly familiar with this (or a very  
similar)

error message!!

First-off  - the problem is not with your end but with the email  
recipient's
email account - hence you see the problem whichever account or  
computer you

send from.

So, assuming that Ronni's simpler scenario is not the problem in  
your case,
if you were in contact with this person by other means (phone?) I am  
pretty
sure that you would find that they have stopped (or had stopped if  
it has

since been fixed) receiving ALL mail on that account.

In my case, the problem was with email accounts associated with my  
personal

domain - initially I had had an unrelated problem with the domain (and
another one I look after) being down - which turned out to be a  
failure of
the DNS server at the hosting provider - this was quickly fixed but  
then
while the other domain was back to normal, I could get no mail on  
any email

account on my personal domain.

When I sent a few test messages from another account (Internode) I got
basically the same error message as you are seeing, in my case:


n...@possumology.com: host 119.63.204.50[119.63.204.50] said:
   550-srv2-syd.eqx.sau.net.au [119.63.206.150] is currently not  
permitted to
   550-relay through this server. Perhaps you have not logged into  
the

   pop/imap 550-server in the last 30 minutes or do not have SMTP
   Authentication turned on 550 in your email client. (in reply to  
RCPT TO

   command)


I included this info in the support ticket I raised with the hosting
provider and, when they finally fixed the problem, they were  
somewhat vague

about how the problem arose:

The cause of the issue is unknown at this stage.  We had a DNS  
server outage
on Saturday night for our Sydney DNS servers and when these came  
back online
on Sunday something had been modified on the hosting server itself  
which

caused this issue.


So, to answer your question:

- There is no problem indicated at your end.
- They may have shut down this email account (as Ronni suggests).
- If not they need to get their email account hosting provider to  
fix the

problem.

HTH


Cheers


Neil
--
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 13/3/09 8:36 AM, Wendy S. Austin at wendy_aus...@mac.com wrote:


Good morning

Email messages have started bouncing returning the message below to  
an

addressee in Hobart with whom we have regular Email contact.This
started happening yesterday afternoon on two laptops using Apple
Mail.   I also tried sending the Email via Apple MobileMe web mail  
and

also my GMail account, all bounced back.   Anyone know what I should
do to fix this?

'Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
 Diagnostic code: smtp;550-(asmtpout028.mac.com) [17.148.16.103] is
currently not permitted to relay through this server. Perhaps you  
have

not logged into the pop/imap server in the last 30 minutes or do not
have SMTP Authentication tu
 Remote system: dns;mail.(Email address removed)  (TCP|17.148.16.103|
54140|203.28.48.2|25) (cronos.instanthosting.com.au ESMTP Exim 4.69  
#1

Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:28:46 +1100 )'

Many thanks.

Wendy
Mauritius Island

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Re: Email being rejected

[Wendy S. Austin]

Hello Everyone

Sorry, I did this message at 0300 ... I forgot to mention that I  
removed the Email address for privacy.   Sorry!


Wendy

On 13/03/2009, at 5:35 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Good morning Wendy,

Looks like their email address has been removed. Would they have  
changed their email address lately and forgotten to inform you of  
their new address?


Cheers,
Ronni

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Re: Email being rejected

[Wendy S. Austin]

Hello Neil and Ronni

Many thanks.We sent Emails to this address yesterday morning,  
chatted with the recipient twice during the day (he is an architect  
friend overseeing some work on our house) and then when we tried to  
send another Email in the afternoon, the blocking started.


Many thanks for your help, I will give him a call and get him to talk  
to his provider.


Wendy


On 13/03/2009, at 5:55 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Hi Wendy,

I agree with Neil, The remote host is either blocking you in  
particular or a whole scope.


You would need to take it up with that hosts mail admin. i.e..  
cronos.instanthosting.com.au.

They have been known to block certain ISP's.



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Re: Email being rejected

[Ronda Brown]

Wendy,

Were you sending a large file by any chance, if you were it might have  
put his mail account over the limit, especially if he had been sent  
lots of mail with large files attached  hadn't yet downloaded.

That would also block his emails getting through.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 13/03/2009, at 12:49 PM, Wendy S. Austin wrote:


Hello Neil and Ronni

Many thanks.We sent Emails to this address yesterday morning,  
chatted with the recipient twice during the day (he is an architect  
friend overseeing some work on our house) and then when we tried to  
send another Email in the afternoon, the blocking started.


Many thanks for your help, I will give him a call and get him to  
talk to his provider.


Wendy


On 13/03/2009, at 5:55 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Hi Wendy,

I agree with Neil, The remote host is either blocking you in  
particular or a whole scope.


You would need to take it up with that hosts mail admin. i.e..  
cronos.instanthosting.com.au.

They have been known to block certain ISP's.





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Re: Email being rejected

[Wendy S. Austin]

Hi Ronni (and Miss Cloe who I am sure is watching over your shoulder)

No, they were just small Emails.We had a similar problem with  
someone else in Tasmania a couple of weeks ago.His ISP has blocked  
us too but luckily he has another Email address which we can still  
send to.


Wendy


On 13/03/2009, at 9:22 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Wendy,

Were you sending a large file by any chance, if you were it might  
have put his mail account over the limit, especially if he had been  
sent lots of mail with large files attached  hadn't yet downloaded.

That would also block his emails getting through.

Cheers,
Ronni



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Re: Email being rejected

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Wendy ( Co.),

Actually Miss Cloe has nodded off under my computer desk. She feels  
she has helped me enough today and has decided

... it is her rest period!
she is not going to be too happy in a few minutes, when I put her  
upstairs as I'm off to Perth , and Miss Cloe has to stay at home.


Cheers,
Ronni


On 13/03/2009, at 1:45 PM, Wendy S. Austin wrote:


Hi Ronni (and Miss Cloe who I am sure is watching over your shoulder)

No, they were just small Emails.We had a similar problem with  
someone else in Tasmania a couple of weeks ago.His ISP has  
blocked us too but luckily he has another Email address which we can  
still send to.


Wendy


On 13/03/2009, at 9:22 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Wendy,

Were you sending a large file by any chance, if you were it might  
have put his mail account over the limit, especially if he had been  
sent lots of mail with large files attached  hadn't yet downloaded.

That would also block his emails getting through.

Cheers,
Ronni



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Re: Email Address at Apple?

[Stuart Breden]

Great advice.  I've got an iPod and now that I have more ammo I'll  
take it up with Apple.


Stuart Breden
PO Box 132
Kalamunda WA 6926
Hm Ph: (08) 9257 1577
Wk Ph: (08) 9291 4599
Mbl: 0417 053 266


On 17/02/2009, at 12:54 AM, Steven Knowles wrote:

David, I had an issue involving similar principles with a Toyota  
Landcruiser - outside warranty but with their admission that it was  
a known faulty part. Dealerships refused to anything about it, so I  
took it up with Toyota's Customer Relations department and told them  
that I'd be taking them to task under the Trade Practices Act via  
the courts (which I would have done).


I'd refer them to Section 53 in particular ...

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/tpa1974149/s53.html

Cheers, Steven


On 16/02/2009, at 1:04 PM, David Wood wrote:


G'day All,

I am wondering if anyone has an email address of someone senior in  
Apple management who I can write to directly either here in  
Australia or maybe in California?


My beef is that I have an iMac G5 which has developed a known  
hardware fault ( -110) which requires the logic board to be  
replaced (cost to replace is $1,000 + labour).  Apple extended it's  
warranty to three years to cover this known issue, but I fall  
outside of that by a matter of months.  The argument I am making is  
that as I travel away from home 3 to 6 months each year the machine  
has not had normal use over the past 4 years and therefore the  
fault has not manifested itself until after the 3 year warranty has  
expired.


I had two very nice conversations with Susan Kells who is a  
Senior Customer Service Agent for Apple in Australia (by the way,  
her service manner was excellent), who admits there is a fault with  
the logic board but the best they can offer as my machine is  
outside the extended warranty period, is a $125 E-voucher against  
the purchase of a new machine. I feel that is a little miserly?!


Any advice or contact details that can be provided so I can plead  
my case to a more senior management agent/representative at Apple  
would be much appreciated.


Thanks,
David


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Re: Email Address at Apple?

[Steven Knowles]

David, I had an issue involving similar principles with a Toyota  
Landcruiser - outside warranty but with their admission that it was a  
known faulty part. Dealerships refused to anything about it, so I took  
it up with Toyota's Customer Relations department and told them that  
I'd be taking them to task under the Trade Practices Act via the  
courts (which I would have done).


I'd refer them to Section 53 in particular ...

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/tpa1974149/s53.html

Cheers, Steven


On 16/02/2009, at 1:04 PM, David Wood wrote:


G'day All,

I am wondering if anyone has an email address of someone senior in  
Apple management who I can write to directly either here in  
Australia or maybe in California?


My beef is that I have an iMac G5 which has developed a known  
hardware fault ( -110) which requires the logic board to be replaced  
(cost to replace is $1,000 + labour).  Apple extended it's warranty  
to three years to cover this known issue, but I fall outside of that  
by a matter of months.  The argument I am making is that as I travel  
away from home 3 to 6 months each year the machine has not had  
normal use over the past 4 years and therefore the fault has not  
manifested itself until after the 3 year warranty has expired.


I had two very nice conversations with Susan Kells who is a Senior  
Customer Service Agent for Apple in Australia (by the way, her  
service manner was excellent), who admits there is a fault with the  
logic board but the best they can offer as my machine is outside the  
extended warranty period, is a $125 E-voucher against the purchase  
of a new machine. I feel that is a little miserly?!


Any advice or contact details that can be provided so I can plead my  
case to a more senior management agent/representative at Apple would  
be much appreciated.


Thanks,
David


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Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas

[Steven Knowles]

Hi Steve

Casting your mind back to the below discussion, I appreciate your  
suggestion. I've been having a look at the Google Apps pages, but what  
I'm unclear about, and hoping you or anyone else might be able to  
enlighten me, is what will Google's Gmail Premier service do for me  
which I can't achieve via my existing email host NetRegistry?


NetRegistry's email plans are here...

http://www.netregistry.com.au/email-solutions/compare-email-plans.php

The storage capacity is an obvious difference, but I could get round  
that with keeping the communal email inbox constantly cleared, or  
increasing the capacity with NetRegistry (presumably they would do so  
if I paid them more).


What's the benefit in involving yet another party (ie. GMail) in the  
process?


My ignorance shining brightly! :-)

Cheers, Steven


On 20/10/2008, at 5:33 PM, Steve Woods wrote:



On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote:

I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate  
email environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of  
other platforms who would be potentially anywhere).


I'm quite familiar with pop email accounts, understand the concept  
of IMAP (I think). But I haven't really been involved with email  
servers and the like, which I think is probably what I need. I'm  
familiar with having a standalone Mac, and popping email from my  
email host (NetRegistry).


However I'm now using mailboxes which I need to allow communal  
access to - potentially several people accessing the communal  
mailboxes in the future. I also need to have a system whereby  
although I set up an indovidual user's personal email account, the  
business still retains copies of those emails. I imagine I could  
use NetRegistry and set up an IMAP account, but then I am reliant  
on a 3rd party entirely, including for storage of our email. I'm  
not totally comfortable with that. So does this mean I need to set  
up an email server of our own, with accompanying back up solutions?  
If so, can someone give me an idea of the hardware  software  
requirements, rough idea of costs?


Or does it sound like I need to engage a networking specialist to  
solve all of my problems? Are there any networking specialists  
amongst wamug people? (I trust a Mac user's advice! :-)


Cheers, Steven


Steven,

I'd suggest Google Apps for business.

Ticks all the boxes in your list - including using your own domain  
name, archiving of all corporate messages, and IMAP accounts of up  
to 25GB per user.  Price is hard to beat too!

http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/messaging.html


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Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas

[Steve Woods]

Hi Steven 


On Thursday, October 30, 2008, at 08:28AM, Steven Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Hi Steve

Casting your mind back to the below discussion, I appreciate your  
suggestion. I've been having a look at the Google Apps pages, but what  
I'm unclear about, and hoping you or anyone else might be able to  
enlighten me, is what will Google's Gmail Premier service do for me  
which I can't achieve via my existing email host NetRegistry?

NetRegistry's email plans are here...

http://www.netregistry.com.au/email-solutions/compare-email-plans.php

The storage capacity is an obvious difference, but I could get round  
that with keeping the communal email inbox constantly cleared, or  
increasing the capacity with NetRegistry (presumably they would do so  
if I paid them more).

What's the benefit in involving yet another party (ie. GMail) in the  
process?

I think Gmail will work better in your shared mail box scenario - the 
NetRegistry plans don't mention IMAP (required to have all mailboxes in sync). 
Gmail has the best spam filtering I've come across, and it works on the server 
side (so you don't need to download all the spam to your mail client before 
filtering and deleting it).
The Standard Edition Google apps gives you 7GB of storage for free.
You're also not tied in to a contract (the netregistry plans all seem to 
specify 1 year).
Sure, you may be giving Google all your trade secrets, but they've probably got 
them by now anyway :)


Anyway, it works for me!
The other collaboration features like calendars and Google docs are the real 
bonus in my usage - I can access everything I need from whatever computer I 
happen to be on at the time...

Regards,

Steve



On 20/10/2008, at 5:33 PM, Steve Woods wrote:


 On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote:

 I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate  
 email environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of  
 other platforms who would be potentially anywhere).

 I'm quite familiar with pop email accounts, understand the concept  
 of IMAP (I think). But I haven't really been involved with email  
 servers and the like, which I think is probably what I need. I'm  
 familiar with having a standalone Mac, and popping email from my  
 email host (NetRegistry).

 However I'm now using mailboxes which I need to allow communal  
 access to - potentially several people accessing the communal  
 mailboxes in the future. I also need to have a system whereby  
 although I set up an indovidual user's personal email account, the  
 business still retains copies of those emails. I imagine I could  
 use NetRegistry and set up an IMAP account, but then I am reliant  
 on a 3rd party entirely, including for storage of our email. I'm  
 not totally comfortable with that. So does this mean I need to set  
 up an email server of our own, with accompanying back up solutions?  
 If so, can someone give me an idea of the hardware  software  
 requirements, rough idea of costs?

 Or does it sound like I need to engage a networking specialist to  
 solve all of my problems? Are there any networking specialists  
 amongst wamug people? (I trust a Mac user's advice! :-)

 Cheers, Steven

 Steven,

 I'd suggest Google Apps for business.

 Ticks all the boxes in your list - including using your own domain  
 name, archiving of all corporate messages, and IMAP accounts of up  
 to 25GB per user.  Price is hard to beat too!
 http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/messaging.html

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Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas

[Rob Davies]

Morning All,

Pending on your Corporate Computer Security planning (intranet,  
internet or extranet) and laws, I find it very hard to go pass Google  
as Steve suggested. But be very careful in checking these laws based  
on your business model and corporate responsibilities.


Accessibility from anywhere via any device including mobile, cost  
factor is extraordinary - FREE.
Construction cost zero - time very fast for such a network, as is  
experience level required.
Domains are transferrable, meaning email names are in accordance with  
your corporate identity.
Apps (Calendars, notes, etc) available online, very hard to beat as  
these are accessible from just about anywhere.


Suggestions Google passing on your information I find this statement  
very pessimistic except to say commissions for what recommended. But  
if one feels it is an issue introduce a Corporate wide GPG key for  
email very simple to initiate as all mail clients have some form off.  
To be frank and honest if your corporate information is of such a  
secure nature then this should already be in place, as others can  
leach easier than Google can remove from their servers. Google mail  
has encrypted mail servers meaning all your mail travels both  
directions via an encrypted secure port.


Further information or ideas please feel free to contact me direct.

Cheers!
`Rob...



20Oct2008, at 9:33 pm, Steve Woods wrote:



On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote:

I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate  
email environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of  
other platforms who would be potentially anywhere).


I'm quite familiar with pop email accounts, understand the concept  
of IMAP (I think). But I haven't really been involved with email  
servers and the like, which I think is probably what I need. I'm  
familiar with having a standalone Mac, and popping email from my  
email host (NetRegistry).


However I'm now using mailboxes which I need to allow communal  
access to - potentially several people accessing the communal  
mailboxes in the future. I also need to have a system whereby  
although I set up an indovidual user's personal email account, the  
business still retains copies of those emails. I imagine I could  
use NetRegistry and set up an IMAP account, but then I am reliant  
on a 3rd party entirely, including for storage of our email. I'm  
not totally comfortable with that. So does this mean I need to set  
up an email server of our own, with accompanying back up solutions?  
If so, can someone give me an idea of the hardware  software  
requirements, rough idea of costs?


Or does it sound like I need to engage a networking specialist to  
solve all of my problems? Are there any networking specialists  
amongst wamug people? (I trust a Mac user's advice! :-)


Cheers, Steven


Steven,

I'd suggest Google Apps for business.

Ticks all the boxes in your list - including using your own domain  
name, archiving of all corporate messages, and IMAP accounts of up  
to 25GB per user.  Price is hard to beat too!

http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/messaging.html


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Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas

[Steven Knowles]

To all who have commented (Steve, Rob, Rob, Matthew) - much  
appreciated. Have been considering your comments closely. And Google  
certainly sounds like it might be worth a run. I haven't heard anyone  
come up with a good reason NOT to use Google yet.


Thanks again all.

Cheers, Steven

On 23/10/2008, at 5:55 AM, Rob Davies wrote:


Morning All,

Pending on your Corporate Computer Security planning (intranet,  
internet or extranet) and laws, I find it very hard to go pass  
Google as Steve suggested. But be very careful in checking these  
laws based on your business model and corporate responsibilities.


Accessibility from anywhere via any device including mobile, cost  
factor is extraordinary - FREE.
Construction cost zero - time very fast for such a network, as is  
experience level required.
Domains are transferrable, meaning email names are in accordance  
with your corporate identity.
Apps (Calendars, notes, etc) available online, very hard to beat as  
these are accessible from just about anywhere.


Suggestions Google passing on your information I find this statement  
very pessimistic except to say commissions for what recommended. But  
if one feels it is an issue introduce a Corporate wide GPG key for  
email very simple to initiate as all mail clients have some form  
off. To be frank and honest if your corporate information is of such  
a secure nature then this should already be in place, as others can  
leach easier than Google can remove from their servers. Google mail  
has encrypted mail servers meaning all your mail travels both  
directions via an encrypted secure port.


Further information or ideas please feel free to contact me direct.

Cheers!
`Rob...



20Oct2008, at 9:33 pm, Steve Woods wrote:



On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote:

I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate  
email environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of  
other platforms who would be potentially anywhere).


I'm quite familiar with pop email accounts, understand the concept  
of IMAP (I think). But I haven't really been involved with email  
servers and the like, which I think is probably what I need. I'm  
familiar with having a standalone Mac, and popping email from my  
email host (NetRegistry).


However I'm now using mailboxes which I need to allow communal  
access to - potentially several people accessing the communal  
mailboxes in the future. I also need to have a system whereby  
although I set up an indovidual user's personal email account, the  
business still retains copies of those emails. I imagine I could  
use NetRegistry and set up an IMAP account, but then I am reliant  
on a 3rd party entirely, including for storage of our email. I'm  
not totally comfortable with that. So does this mean I need to set  
up an email server of our own, with accompanying back up  
solutions? If so, can someone give me an idea of the hardware   
software requirements, rough idea of costs?


Or does it sound like I need to engage a networking specialist to  
solve all of my problems? Are there any networking specialists  
amongst wamug people? (I trust a Mac user's advice! :-)


Cheers, Steven


Steven,

I'd suggest Google Apps for business.

Ticks all the boxes in your list - including using your own domain  
name, archiving of all corporate messages, and IMAP accounts of up  
to 25GB per user.  Price is hard to beat too!

http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/messaging.html


--
Steve


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Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas

[Steve Woods]

On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote:

I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate email  
environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of other  
platforms who would be potentially anywhere).


I'm quite familiar with pop email accounts, understand the concept  
of IMAP (I think). But I haven't really been involved with email  
servers and the like, which I think is probably what I need. I'm  
familiar with having a standalone Mac, and popping email from my  
email host (NetRegistry).


However I'm now using mailboxes which I need to allow communal  
access to - potentially several people accessing the communal  
mailboxes in the future. I also need to have a system whereby  
although I set up an indovidual user's personal email account, the  
business still retains copies of those emails. I imagine I could use  
NetRegistry and set up an IMAP account, but then I am reliant on a  
3rd party entirely, including for storage of our email. I'm not  
totally comfortable with that. So does this mean I need to set up an  
email server of our own, with accompanying back up solutions? If so,  
can someone give me an idea of the hardware  software requirements,  
rough idea of costs?


Or does it sound like I need to engage a networking specialist to  
solve all of my problems? Are there any networking specialists  
amongst wamug people? (I trust a Mac user's advice! :-)


Cheers, Steven


Steven,

I'd suggest Google Apps for business.

Ticks all the boxes in your list - including using your own domain  
name, archiving of all corporate messages, and IMAP accounts of up to  
25GB per user.  Price is hard to beat too!

http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/messaging.html


--
Steve




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Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas

[Rob Findlay]

Give me a call if you like Steven. I have set up Mac Mail Servers for  
many of my clients over the years. The most recent version of Mac OS X  
Server 10.5.5 provides a robust and mature mail service which includes  
POP, IMAP, authenticated SMTP  and Webmail.
IMAP does most of what you require. It's important that the IMAP  
storage be somewhere secure and backed up. I like to put in on a RAID  
drive and back up to tape for offsite. I also like to have the server  
running on powerful iron.  A Mac Pro or X-Serve makes a fine mailserver.
Of course all this starts adding up in price. With SCSI card and a  
good tape drive it's easy to spend 10K on a mailserver and I've done  
that for people with those budgets. The last X-Serve I did with an X- 
Serve RAID and has been running like a train providing mail for 30  
users for 2 years now without a hitch. Only ever gets restarted for  
software updates and often goes months without a reboot. If your  
budget doesn't run to that kind of level you can make a perfectly  
reliable server using a second hand G5 or even a Mac Mini provided  
it's properly backed up.

Call me at Team Digital if you like - 9328 3377
Rob

On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote:

I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate email  
environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of other  
platforms who would be potentially anywhere).


I'm quite familiar with pop email accounts, understand the concept  
of IMAP (I think). But I haven't really been involved with email  
servers and the like, which I think is probably what I need. I'm  
familiar with having a standalone Mac, and popping email from my  
email host (NetRegistry).


However I'm now using mailboxes which I need to allow communal  
access to - potentially several people accessing the communal  
mailboxes in the future. I also need to have a system whereby  
although I set up an indovidual user's personal email account, the  
business still retains copies of those emails. I imagine I could use  
NetRegistry and set up an IMAP account, but then I am reliant on a  
3rd party entirely, including for storage of our email. I'm not  
totally comfortable with that. So does this mean I need to set up an  
email server of our own, with accompanying back up solutions? If so,  
can someone give me an idea of the hardware  software requirements,  
rough idea of costs?


Or does it sound like I need to engage a networking specialist to  
solve all of my problems? Are there any networking specialists  
amongst wamug people? (I trust a Mac user's advice! :-)


Cheers, Steven

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Re: Email servers etc - I need some ideas

[Matthew Healey]

On 20/10/2008, at 7:48 PM, Steven Knowles wrote:

I'm looking for some advice in terms of setting up a corporate email  
environment on the Mac platform (but catering for users of other  
platforms who would be potentially anywhere).


http://www.kerio.com

Kerio Mail Server is pretty much the best thing out there for the  
price. Plus you have the added benefit of not allowing Google to read  
all of your confidential information and forward it on to any  
government department that requests it.


- Matt


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Re: eMail default on Safari

[Mike Fuller]

Use Preferences from within Mail - under General select Mail as your  
default email reader.


Cheers,

Mike Fuller
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On 01/02/2008, at 12:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Using latest Safari 3.0.4 when I click an email link on a webpage, MS
Entourage opens by default.  I would like Apple's Mail to open by
default instead.  Does anyone know how to do this?

Cheers, Paul.


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Re: eMail default on Safari

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Paul,

If you find after doing as Mike suggests that Safari doesn't hold this  
setting.


In Mail.app preferences, try changing the default Mail Reader to  
something other than Mail.app and exit preferences to make it save.
Re-enter the preferences, change it back to Mail.app and then restart  
Safari to see if that helps.


The link to the default mail app can apparently get lost and needs to  
be reset. Choosing a random app and then closing the Mail app does a  
partial reset and then when Mail is reopened choosing Mail completes  
the reset.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 01/02/2008, at 12:20 PM, Mike Fuller wrote:

Use Preferences from within Mail - under General select Mail as your  
default email reader.


Cheers,

Mike Fuller
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On 01/02/2008, at 12:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Using latest Safari 3.0.4 when I click an email link on a webpage, MS
Entourage opens by default.  I would like Apple's Mail to open by
default instead.  Does anyone know how to do this?

Cheers, Paul.




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Re: eMail default on Safari

[pweaver]

Thanks folks, the default toggle in Mail prefs did the trick.  I
don't know how I missed it before. Another victory for humanity.

Cheers, Paul.




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Re: Email not deleting from server ?

[Clyde McLennan]

Hi Stephen,
   I too am with Westnet, and have purchased a new iMac (so I'm new  
to Mac OS X).
   I checked my browser Westnet account, and my e-mails are being  
deleted.  So it does work with 'Mail'.


I checked the 'advanced' button on the e-mail account and the one  
marked 'remove copy from server' and the 'remove right away' need to  
be set.


Hope it works for you   ...

  Clyde


On 17/10/2007, at 8:22 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:


Hi folks,

For some reason (since I got my new iMac) my emails do not delete  
from ISP server (Westnet) once downloaded. I only noticed this  
because I happened to use webmail one day to check my emails, and I  
wondered why the hell there were so many there and going back so far.


I use Mac Mail and have checked preferences.
In Accounts / Advanced the box against Remove copy from server  
after retrieving a message is ticked.

I cannot see anything else that should be adjusted.

ANY IDEAS FOLKS ?

PS: I contacted Westnet and was told I should maybe use a different  
mail application.
I was a little surprised actually because their tech support has  
always been very helpful.


Regards,
Stephen Chape


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Re: Email not deleting from server ?

[Robert Howells]

On 17/10/2007, at 8:22 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:


Hi folks,

For some reason (since I got my new iMac) my emails do not delete  
from ISP server (Westnet) once downloaded. I only noticed this  
because I happened to use webmail one day to check my emails, and I  
wondered why the hell there were so many there and going back so far.


I use Mac Mail and have checked preferences.
In Accounts / Advanced the box against Remove copy from server  
after retrieving a message is ticked.


HI Stephen ,
What does the line under   after retrieving a messagesay ?

? Right away
? When moved from Inbox
? After one day , one week , one month ?

Bob


I cannot see anything else that should be adjusted.

ANY IDEAS FOLKS ?

PS: I contacted Westnet and was told I should maybe use a different  
mail application.
I was a little surprised actually because their tech support has  
always been very helpful.


Regards,
Stephen Chape


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Re: Email not deleting from server ?

[Stephen Chape]

On 17/10/07 9:08 PM, Robert Howells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On 17/10/2007, at 8:22 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 For some reason (since I got my new iMac) my emails do not delete
 from ISP server (Westnet) once downloaded. I only noticed this
 because I happened to use webmail one day to check my emails, and I
 wondered why the hell there were so many there and going back so far.
 
 I use Mac Mail and have checked preferences.
 In Accounts / Advanced the box against Remove copy from server
 after retrieving a message is ticked.
 
 HI Stephen ,
 What does the line under   after retrieving a messagesay ?
 
 ? Right away
 ? When moved from Inbox
 ? After one day , one week , one month ?
 
 Bob
 
 I cannot see anything else that should be adjusted.
 
 ANY IDEAS FOLKS ?
 
 PS: I contacted Westnet and was told I should maybe use a different
 mail application.
 I was a little surprised actually because their tech support has
 always been very helpful.
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
 
 
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Right Away is checked.
That's what makes it so strange !!

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Re: Email not deleting from server ?

[Peter Sealy]

I have noticed this behaviour, different ISP, same Mail.app and same  
preference settings.


If you select any of your mail boxes in the left column, do a Get  
Info [CMD-i] and you will see an Account window with three tabs.  
Click on the Messages on Server tab. You can then select residual  
messages listed there and delete them. I find that a little easier to  
do than going to my ISP webmail page and deleting messages, you don't  
have to start up your browser and navigate to the mail page etc.  
However everyone's MMV.


As to why some mail messages get left behind, I don't know. This is  
not a new phenomenon [ref your new iMac], I have a TiPB 867. I just  
try to remember to clean the messages out every few months and there  
are usually only very few, 2 or 3, there to be disposed of so it's  
not something I worry about. I just checked and I have one message  
there and it is at least 3 months since I last checked. I receive  
about 200 emails a week and just about all are automatically removed  
from the server as per the preferences. However if all your messages  
are still on the server that is cause for concern.


It may be that another mail app will not do this. No doubt someone  
using another app will be able to tell us if this occurs for them.







On Wed 290 Oct,, at 10:22 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:


Hi folks,

For some reason (since I got my new iMac) my emails do not delete  
from ISP server (Westnet) once downloaded. I only noticed this  
because I happened to use webmail one day to check my emails, and I  
wondered why the hell there were so many there and going back so far.


I use Mac Mail and have checked preferences.
In Accounts / Advanced the box against Remove copy from server  
after retrieving a message is ticked.

I cannot see anything else that should be adjusted.

ANY IDEAS FOLKS ?

PS: I contacted Westnet and was told I should maybe use a different  
mail application.
I was a little surprised actually because their tech support has  
always been very helpful.


Regards,
Stephen Chape



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Thurgoona AUSTRALIA

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Re: Email over Airport Problem

[Ronda Brown]

On 01/07/2007, at 8:56 AM, Dudley Gager wrote:


G'day list

I can't get Mail.app (or Thunderbird) to work on an iMac connected  
to the internet via computer to computer Airport.


Computer 1 is Intel Core Duo running 10.4.10 and connected directly  
to internet via ethernet to cable modem (Telstra). Set to share  
internet connection via Airport.


Computer 2 is G4 running 10.3.9 and shares internet over Airport.   
Works fine. (It also has printers connected to its ethernet port  
and to its USB port which it shares back to computer 1. Works fine)


But can't get mail reader on Computer 2 to connect to either  
incoming or outgoing mail servers. Tried with .mac mail and with  
Gmail. Tried Mail.app and Thunderbird. No go. No problem reading  
mail on web on Computer 2.


Hi Dudley,

Computer 2 is connecting to the Internet fine, so it sounds like your  
Mail settings are not correct on this computer.


1. Have you set your .Mac account to use 'mail.bigpond.com' as  
'Outgoing Mail Server (SMTP)

They will only allow outgoing mail on Port 25 through their mail server.

Mail  Preferences  Accounts  ('@mac.com') - Account Information  
- 'Outgoing Mail Server (SMTP)' mail.bigpond.com
Server Settings : Server Port: 25  and NO tick in 'Use Secure Sockets  
Layer (SSL)


2. Are you forwarding your .mac mail to your bigpond email account?

Cheers,
Ronni

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Re: Email problems (was: What's happening to WAMUG postings)

[Neil Houghton]

Just a follow-up to this. I have also noticed I seem to be missing some
other regular newsletters and an email which was sent to me took several
days to get through - and probably wouldn't have if the sending mail server
doesn't try for up to 5 days!

I have lodged a support ticket with Servers Austalia - so we'll see what
they come up with. The person who sent me the email initially got an error
message back (see below) - does this tell me what/where the problem is?

 
 Hi Neil
 
 Here is the message I got.
 
 Steph
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mail Delivery System
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:10 AM
 To: Hill, Stephanie
 Subject: Delayed Mail (still being retried)
 
 This is the Postfix program at host calm-dmz-4.calm.wa.gov.au.
 
 
 # THIS IS A WARNING ONLY.  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. #
 
 
 Your message could not be delivered for 24.0 hours.
 It will be retried until it is 5.0 days old.
 
 For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster
 
 The Postfix program
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host possumology.com[210.14.110.130] said: 451
 Could
 not complete sender verify callout (in reply to RCPT TO command)
 

Any feedback on this would be good - I'll let the list know what Servers
Australia come back with.

Cheers


Neil

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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
***

on 1/6/07 6:33 PM, Neil Houghton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Reg,
 
 No, unfortunately it's not spam filtering. I have the spam setting at
 internode set very weak and at present no messages are being held, in any
 case (I think) that would only apply to my [EMAIL PROTECTED] email
 account (which I don't really use).
 
 Having recently going through the pain of changing all my email
 subscriptions etc from my old bigpond address I'd decided to avoid this in
 the future by using email accounts associated with my own domain (and so
 independent of whichever ISP I choose to use from time to time).
 
 At present the mail setup at my [EMAIL PROTECTED] email accounts are set
 to flag possible spam but still forward them on - I was going to experiment
 with different spam level settings before actually setting it to hold back
 spam.
 
 What I still don't know though is how to tell where the problem is - the
 possumology account not receiving the WAMUG posts for some reason or me
 being unable to retrieve the mail from the possumology mail server over my
 internode connection - if it was an ongoing problem, I would think I could
 test this by logging onto the possumology mail server from another
 computer/ISP but since it was only a temporary or intermittant problem it
 seems that tracking it down could be very difficult.
 
 Thanks for the suggestion though.
 
 Cheers
 
 
 Neil
 -- 
 Neil R. Houghton
 Albany, Western Australia
 Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
 on 1/6/07 5:22 PM, Reg Whitely at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi Laurie and Neil
 
 I haven't had any problems with WAMUG or Internode. It's worth noting
 that Internode has a variable scale of spam protection. you can log
 in and check what's being filtered, adjust the filter and enter
 specific email addresses to filter or let through. Maybe worth a check.
 
 Reg
 
 On 01/06/2007, at 8:05 am, Laurie McDonald wrote:
 
 Neil
 
 Noticed that as I read I saw the word 'internode' appeared in Reg
 Whitely's post on this subject.
 
 Just wondering if he had similar problems?
 
 Also I have my email set up so that all spam goes straight through
 to the junk 'bag' and I need to check it weekly to be sure good
 messages don't get sent there in miss-sorting. Could be an error in
 my machine or at iinet. But I don't know that I have lost anything,
 only miss-sorts at about the same time you mention.
 
 Laurie
 
 
 On 31/05/2007, at 8:25 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:
 
 ...SNIPPED...
 
 Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to find out
 what might
 have happened to the missing posts or how to check if any other
 mail went
 astray (I suspect this is a hopeless task but, then again, the
 ingenuity of
 the WAMUG list never fails to amaze me!)
 
 
 TIA
 
 
 Neil
 
 By the way, I'm also owner of a couple of Yahoo groups and have
 noticed
 recently that there seems to be more instances of other people
 missing our
 messages (including myself) though these tend to be more
 intermittent. I
 sometimes wonder if this is all a sign of a general malaise with
 the email
 system buckling under the weight of spam?
 -- 
 Neil R. Houghton
 Albany, Western Australia
 Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 on 31/5/07 1:59 PM, Matthew Healey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On 31/05/2007, at 11:30 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:
 
 So my test post obviously got to WAMUG but 

Re: Email problems (was: What's happening to WAMUG postings)

[Reg Whitely]

Hi Laurie and Neil

I haven't had any problems with WAMUG or Internode. It's worth noting  
that Internode has a variable scale of spam protection. you can log  
in and check what's being filtered, adjust the filter and enter  
specific email addresses to filter or let through. Maybe worth a check.


Reg

On 01/06/2007, at 8:05 am, Laurie McDonald wrote:


Neil

Noticed that as I read I saw the word 'internode' appeared in Reg  
Whitely's post on this subject.


Just wondering if he had similar problems?

Also I have my email set up so that all spam goes straight through  
to the junk 'bag' and I need to check it weekly to be sure good  
messages don't get sent there in miss-sorting. Could be an error in  
my machine or at iinet. But I don't know that I have lost anything,  
only miss-sorts at about the same time you mention.


Laurie


On 31/05/2007, at 8:25 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:


...SNIPPED...


Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to find out  
what might
have happened to the missing posts or how to check if any other  
mail went
astray (I suspect this is a hopeless task but, then again, the  
ingenuity of

the WAMUG list never fails to amaze me!)


TIA


Neil

By the way, I'm also owner of a couple of Yahoo groups and have  
noticed
recently that there seems to be more instances of other people  
missing our
messages (including myself) though these tend to be more  
intermittent. I
sometimes wonder if this is all a sign of a general malaise with  
the email

system buckling under the weight of spam?
--
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


on 31/5/07 1:59 PM, Matthew Healey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 31/05/2007, at 11:30 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:

So my test post obviously got to WAMUG but never made it back to  
me.


Also I still can't check what I missed because the archive link


http://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/

Try this one instead.

- matt



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Re: Email problems (was: What's happening to WAMUG postings)

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Reg,

No, unfortunately it's not spam filtering. I have the spam setting at
internode set very weak and at present no messages are being held, in any
case (I think) that would only apply to my [EMAIL PROTECTED] email
account (which I don't really use).

Having recently going through the pain of changing all my email
subscriptions etc from my old bigpond address I'd decided to avoid this in
the future by using email accounts associated with my own domain (and so
independent of whichever ISP I choose to use from time to time).

At present the mail setup at my [EMAIL PROTECTED] email accounts are set
to flag possible spam but still forward them on - I was going to experiment
with different spam level settings before actually setting it to hold back
spam.

What I still don't know though is how to tell where the problem is - the
possumology account not receiving the WAMUG posts for some reason or me
being unable to retrieve the mail from the possumology mail server over my
internode connection - if it was an ongoing problem, I would think I could
test this by logging onto the possumology mail server from another
computer/ISP but since it was only a temporary or intermittant problem it
seems that tracking it down could be very difficult.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Cheers


Neil
-- 
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



on 1/6/07 5:22 PM, Reg Whitely at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Laurie and Neil
 
 I haven't had any problems with WAMUG or Internode. It's worth noting
 that Internode has a variable scale of spam protection. you can log
 in and check what's being filtered, adjust the filter and enter
 specific email addresses to filter or let through. Maybe worth a check.
 
 Reg
 
 On 01/06/2007, at 8:05 am, Laurie McDonald wrote:
 
 Neil
 
 Noticed that as I read I saw the word 'internode' appeared in Reg
 Whitely's post on this subject.
 
 Just wondering if he had similar problems?
 
 Also I have my email set up so that all spam goes straight through
 to the junk 'bag' and I need to check it weekly to be sure good
 messages don't get sent there in miss-sorting. Could be an error in
 my machine or at iinet. But I don't know that I have lost anything,
 only miss-sorts at about the same time you mention.
 
 Laurie
 
 
 On 31/05/2007, at 8:25 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:
 
 ...SNIPPED...
 
 Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to find out
 what might
 have happened to the missing posts or how to check if any other
 mail went
 astray (I suspect this is a hopeless task but, then again, the
 ingenuity of
 the WAMUG list never fails to amaze me!)
 
 
 TIA
 
 
 Neil
 
 By the way, I'm also owner of a couple of Yahoo groups and have
 noticed
 recently that there seems to be more instances of other people
 missing our
 messages (including myself) though these tend to be more
 intermittent. I
 sometimes wonder if this is all a sign of a general malaise with
 the email
 system buckling under the weight of spam?
 -- 
 Neil R. Houghton
 Albany, Western Australia
 Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 on 31/5/07 1:59 PM, Matthew Healey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On 31/05/2007, at 11:30 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:
 
 So my test post obviously got to WAMUG but never made it back to
 me.
 
 Also I still can't check what I missed because the archive link
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/
 
 Try this one instead.
 
 - matt
 
 
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Re: Email signatures

[Jon Davison]

An oversight on my part, you are right. Thanks for the sound advice!

Cheers
Jon

On 25/05/2007, at 3:53 PM, Rod Lavington wrote:


Hi All!

Just a little tip for the day - make sure that if you are  
forwarding on an
email to list (such as this one), please remove any particulars  
that you

might not want the world to see.

For example, the last email from Jon had Nola's address in it.   
Would be

great if you could trust everyone on this list, but the list is also
accessible by Google searches.  Who knows who is reading these posts!

(might be the conspiracy theorist in me, but the less personal details
available publicly on the internet the better)

Seeya

Rod!


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Re: Email problems

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Lloyd,

While I've not had the problem of Entourage freezing, to be safe I do like
to delete the spam without selecting the individual messages (which would
display them in the preview pane).

The way I do it is to sort the window by a suitable column to isolate the
message in its own category, then select the category and delete that.

For example, in my case, I find that most of my spam is not just addressed
to me but to some unknown person so I sort the window by the to column and
then when I see a section to, say flavia with one (or more) spam messages
in it I just select the heading Flavia (1) and hit the delete button. You
could do the same thing by sorting on the from column and, in your case,
selecting the tania Immaisi heading which should not select/display the
specific message  should not (I think) freeze entourage - then hit the
delete button.

In the event that the spam message is to my valid address and say apparently
from one of my real contacts (due to address spoofing) so that valid emails
appear under the same sort heading - I just sort by read/unread status, make
sure I've already viewed the legitimate emails, then select unread and
delete.

Hope that does it for you.

Neil
-- 
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Fax: +61 8 9841 6137
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

on 27/2/07 11:18 AM, Lloyd White at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know someone had this problem recently but I have forgotten how it was
 solved.
 
 Using Entourage. Received an email from tania Immaisi called ³so rude² -
 with an attachment. The usual rubbish spam.
 
 Before I could trash it the whole entourage froze and I needed to restart.
 Problem: how do I trash it without selecting it and freezing Entourage
 again. When it freezes the whole system goes into time delay and it takes
 minutes to even force quit.
 
 If I restart from my back-up start-up disk I will still need to start
 Entourage to locate the file and it will freeze again.
 
 
 Lloyd 
 --
 

Re: Email problems

[Lloyd White]

Hi Neil,

Thanks for that. I found it difficult to move the problem file once it is
there. Your suggestion would work well with new incoming files.

I solved the problem by sending myself a couple of emails and then
selecting all the messages in the preview pane and then deleting them all.
The problem file went too. Selecting all, did not trigger it to open.

Simple once you think about it but it took my little brain a time to come up
with it.

Lloyd 


--

 Hi Lloyd,
 
 While I've not had the problem of Entourage freezing, to be safe I do like
 to delete the spam without selecting the individual messages (which would
 display them in the preview pane).
 
 The way I do it is to sort the window by a suitable column to isolate the
 message in its own category, then select the category and delete that.
 
 For example, in my case, I find that most of my spam is not just addressed
 to me but to some unknown person so I sort the window by the to column and
 then when I see a section to, say flavia with one (or more) spam messages
 in it I just select the heading Flavia (1) and hit the delete button. You
 could do the same thing by sorting on the from column and, in your case,
 selecting the tania Immaisi heading which should not select/display the
 specific message  should not (I think) freeze entourage - then hit the
 delete button.
 
 In the event that the spam message is to my valid address and say apparently
 from one of my real contacts (due to address spoofing) so that valid emails
 appear under the same sort heading - I just sort by read/unread status, make
 sure I've already viewed the legitimate emails, then select unread and
 delete.
 
 Hope that does it for you.
 
 Neil

I know someone had this problem recently but I have forgotten how it was
solved.

Using Entourage. Received an email from tania Immaisi called ³so rude² -
with an attachment. The usual rubbish spam.

Before I could trash it the whole entourage froze and I needed to restart.
Problem: how do I trash it without selecting it and freezing Entourage
again. When it freezes the whole system goes into time delay and it takes
minutes to even force quit.

If I restart from my back-up start-up disk I will still need to start
Entourage to locate the file and it will freeze again.


Lloyd 

 

Re: Email problems

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Lloyd,

A tip from Macworld weekly that you might be interested in:
If you're having problems with regular hangs/pauses in Entourage;  
hangs that tie up the application with periods of heavy disk  
activity, try turning off the background database check.


Launch Entourage while holding down the Option key; Database Manager  
is launched instead.


Click Set Database Preferences. Uncheck background integrity checks.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 27/02/2007, at 12:27 PM, Lloyd White wrote:


Hi Neil,

Thanks for that. I found it difficult to move the problem file once  
it is

there. Your suggestion would work well with new incoming files.

I solved the problem by sending myself a couple of emails and then
selecting all the messages in the preview pane and then deleting  
them all.

The problem file went too. Selecting all, did not trigger it to open.

Simple once you think about it but it took my little brain a time  
to come up

with it.

Lloyd


--


Hi Lloyd,

While I've not had the problem of Entourage freezing, to be safe I  
do like
to delete the spam without selecting the individual messages  
(which would

display them in the preview pane).

The way I do it is to sort the window by a suitable column to  
isolate the
message in its own category, then select the category and delete  
that.


For example, in my case, I find that most of my spam is not just  
addressed
to me but to some unknown person so I sort the window by the to  
column and
then when I see a section to, say flavia with one (or more) spam  
messages
in it I just select the heading Flavia (1) and hit the delete  
button. You
could do the same thing by sorting on the from column and, in  
your case,
selecting the tania Immaisi heading which should not select/ 
display the
specific message  should not (I think) freeze entourage - then  
hit the

delete button.

In the event that the spam message is to my valid address and say  
apparently
from one of my real contacts (due to address spoofing) so that  
valid emails
appear under the same sort heading - I just sort by read/unread  
status, make
sure I've already viewed the legitimate emails, then select  
unread and

delete.

Hope that does it for you.

Neil


I know someone had this problem recently but I have forgotten how  
it was

solved.

Using Entourage. Received an email from tania Immaisi called ³so  
rude² -

with an attachment. The usual rubbish spam.

Before I could trash it the whole entourage froze and I needed to  
restart.

Problem: how do I trash it without selecting it and freezing Entourage
again. When it freezes the whole system goes into time delay and it  
takes

minutes to even force quit.

If I restart from my back-up start-up disk I will still need to start
Entourage to locate the file and it will freeze again.


Lloyd





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RE: Email problems

[David Moyle]

Hey

I just tried it, that’s cool Ronda! Love it! I'll do this on my machine
which should stop the locking up and will tell the guys at work!

Thanks, David Moyle
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-Original Message-
From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronda
Brown
Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:35 PM
To: WAMUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: Email problems

Hi Lloyd,

A tip from Macworld weekly that you might be interested in:
If you're having problems with regular hangs/pauses in Entourage;  
hangs that tie up the application with periods of heavy disk  
activity, try turning off the background database check.

Launch Entourage while holding down the Option key; Database Manager  
is launched instead.

Click Set Database Preferences. Uncheck background integrity checks.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 27/02/2007, at 12:27 PM, Lloyd White wrote:

 Hi Neil,

 Thanks for that. I found it difficult to move the problem file once  
 it is
 there. Your suggestion would work well with new incoming files.

 I solved the problem by sending myself a couple of emails and then
 selecting all the messages in the preview pane and then deleting  
 them all.
 The problem file went too. Selecting all, did not trigger it to open.

 Simple once you think about it but it took my little brain a time  
 to come up
 with it.

 Lloyd


 --

 Hi Lloyd,

 While I've not had the problem of Entourage freezing, to be safe I  
 do like
 to delete the spam without selecting the individual messages  
 (which would
 display them in the preview pane).

 The way I do it is to sort the window by a suitable column to  
 isolate the
 message in its own category, then select the category and delete  
 that.

 For example, in my case, I find that most of my spam is not just  
 addressed
 to me but to some unknown person so I sort the window by the to  
 column and
 then when I see a section to, say flavia with one (or more) spam  
 messages
 in it I just select the heading Flavia (1) and hit the delete  
 button. You
 could do the same thing by sorting on the from column and, in  
 your case,
 selecting the tania Immaisi heading which should not select/ 
 display the
 specific message  should not (I think) freeze entourage - then  
 hit the
 delete button.

 In the event that the spam message is to my valid address and say  
 apparently
 from one of my real contacts (due to address spoofing) so that  
 valid emails
 appear under the same sort heading - I just sort by read/unread  
 status, make
 sure I've already viewed the legitimate emails, then select  
 unread and
 delete.

 Hope that does it for you.

 Neil

 I know someone had this problem recently but I have forgotten how  
 it was
 solved.

 Using Entourage. Received an email from tania Immaisi called ³so  
 rude² -
 with an attachment. The usual rubbish spam.

 Before I could trash it the whole entourage froze and I needed to  
 restart.
 Problem: how do I trash it without selecting it and freezing Entourage
 again. When it freezes the whole system goes into time delay and it  
 takes
 minutes to even force quit.

 If I restart from my back-up start-up disk I will still need to start
 Entourage to locate the file and it will freeze again.


 Lloyd





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Re: email problem

[Ronda Brown]

On 04/11/2006, at 9:28 AM, KEVIN Lock wrote:

eMac 700mhz 10.3.9 Plenty of memory, using Eudora (sponsored mode)  
and Apple Mail.


If we receive an email message with an attachment I can forward the  
message without any problems, however if a message arrives with  
graphics embedded in the text, the graphics do not  forward with  
the text.


Is this a PC/Mac problem and can it be remedied?



Hi Kev,

Under 'Edit', there is a function named Paste as HTML.
Perhaps you should try copying the body of the subject email, and  
then Paste as HTML?


It appears to me to do what you desire, but may best be done in a new  
message, rather than a Forward.


Cheers,

Ronni

Re: email problem

[Steven]

I know with MS Outlook you need to use either the 'Redirect' function, or
'Forward as Attachment', in order to retain full graphics and html
formatting. If you just use Forward or Reply, it doesn't work.

Steven


On 4/11/06 11:28 AM, KEVIN Lock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 eMac 700mhz 10.3.9 Plenty of memory, using Eudora (sponsored mode)
 and Apple Mail.
 
 If we receive an email message with an attachment I can forward the
 message without any problems, however if a message arrives with
 graphics embedded in the text, the graphics do not  forward with the
 text.
 
 Is this a PC/Mac problem and can it be remedied?
 
 TIA,
 
 Kev
 
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re Email Problems

[KEVIN Lock]

Thanks for your efforts on this one folks.

My wife uses Apple mail and cannot forward successfully forward email 
messages  with embedded graphics to anyonesimilarly me using 
Eudora.


I have tried copying and pasting and the full message appears ready 
to be sent, but when it is sent it is obvious that the graphics do 
not go.  I have sent the messages to myself, my wife and a PC user.


Under 'edit', there is no function  to paste as an HTML.  There 
doesn't seem to be a 'Forward as Attachment' function in Apple Mail 
or Eudora either.


This is not a biggy, but when I forward messages on, it is a bit 
embarrassing when  only the text gets to the recipient.   I have no 
problems with graphics as attachments.


regards

Kev

Re: re Email Problems

[Paul]

KEVIN Lock wrote:

Thanks for your efforts on this one folks.

My wife uses Apple mail and cannot forward successfully forward email 
messages  with embedded graphics to anyonesimilarly me using Eudora.


I have tried copying and pasting and the full message appears ready to 
be sent, but when it is sent it is obvious that the graphics do not 
go.  I have sent the messages to myself, my wife and a PC user.


Under 'edit', there is no function  to paste as an HTML.  There 
doesn't seem to be a 'Forward as Attachment' function in Apple Mail or 
Eudora either.


This is not a biggy, but when I forward messages on, it is a bit 
embarrassing when  only the text gets to the recipient.   I have no 
problems with graphics as attachments.


regards

Kev


Hi Kev

If you aren't too attached to your emailers you could try Thunderbird.
Among other things it handles varied recipients, graphics and HTML very 
nicely.
We've swung between it and Mail a few times now and both Vicki and I opt 
for TB in the end.

It has pretty good success importing your old emails etc too.

I've always avoided MS email apps myself but I can say that none of my 
clients that I've switched from Outlook Express on Windows or OSX to TB 
have ever wanted to go back, nor for that matter have they even 
mentioned it again, good standard software and no dramas. Just like Firefox.



Good luck
Paul

Re: re Email Problems

[Ronda Brown]

KEVIN Lock wrote:


Under 'edit', there is no function  to paste as an HTML.


Hi Kev,

I assumed you were meaning Apple Mail version 2.1 Tiger version.
In that version there is under  'Edit'  Paste as HTML

You must have your email as Rich text
 'Format'  -  Make Rich Text

Cheers,

Ronni

Re: Email Attach to Open on PC

[Robert Howells]

On 14 Sep 2006, at 7:52 AM, Wilson Tony wrote:


I am sending a Freehand MX file, as an attachment, to a PC owner.

Is it possible to save the attachment to a flash drive attached to the 
PC and then open it on a MAC laptop 10.4 OS which has FHMX. We have 
tried but FHMX on the Mac will not recognise the file .


TIA

Tony Wilson


Somebody else might have a better idea , but why don't you encapsulate 
the file inside a disc image

and then send the image ! ?

Might work !

Bob

Re: Email not received by one recipient

[James Devenish]

Hi Rick,

Does Mail show that the message has been successfuly sent from Account
A? If so, the recipient may accidently have a SPAM filter that is
blocking mail from your Account A.

James.

Re: eMail Bounce Software

[samantha whitely]

On a slightly different note, Bigpond had a section to report emails  
as scam within their internet accounts. I'm not sure that it will  
help in the end at all, but it is a little reassuring to see that  
they are at least looking like they are trying to help with this  
problem. As I have noticed that others like iinet do not have this,  
only problem is is that you have to receive them before you can  
report them ; - )
I have never seen that bounce before maybe I should look a little  
closer at my applications!!


Sam

On 23/08/2006, at 10:47 PM, Lara wrote:


Reg Whitely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I read once of bounce software that could be used to deflect unwanted
emails back to sender with a no response message - or whatever it's
called, indicating that no such email address (as mine) exists. Can
anyone help please? I'm getting sick of Nigerian $$$ scams, fortune
making investments on stocks and shares, and other spurious rubbish
that's getting past iiNet's filter.


The vast majority of spam comes from spoofed From: addresses, many of
which belong to real people. So a spam-bouncing system implemented
within your email programme, in reality, just turns into a
spam-amplification system.

Lara

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Re: eMail Bounce Software

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 23/08/2006, at 5:46 PM, Reg Whitely wrote:


Hi Wamuggers

I read once of bounce software that could be used to deflect  
unwanted emails back to sender with a no response message - or  
whatever it's called, indicating that no such email address (as  
mine) exists. Can anyone help please? I'm getting sick of Nigerian $ 
$$ scams, fortune making investments on stocks and shares, and  
other spurious rubbish that's getting past iiNet's filter.




Apple's own Mail program has this ability built in. Simply go to  
Message  Bounce while the problem message is open. I must say,  
though, that without exception the sending address of problem  
messages I have bounced have proved to be spoofed. In other words, my  
bounced messages always bounce back again!


Life's too short. Now I just mark them as Junk and delete 'em. I now  
realise they won't stop coming so I've found other things to worry  
about.


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Perth, Western Australia
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Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

Re: eMail Bounce Software

[James Devenish]

Hi Reg,

I think Apple's Mail has this feature (meaning, I assume, the ability
to simulate a Delivery Status Notification about a permanent
non-existent address). However, I recommend that you verify that this
is definitely the feature you need, and that it works as required.
Otherwise, it won't have the desired effect (maybe even the opposite).
Of course, spammers don't necesarily care if your address exists or
not, so maybe it doesn't make much of a difference these days?

James.