Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
There's something to be said for "losing faith" in a technology. For me, it's the "build-it-yourself" radios. All of them. Mikrotik & StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the "leap of faith" and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: "Forbes Mercy" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik > I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every > Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. > I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just > dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today > another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You > can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause > and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Breezecom PRO.11 Configuration Utility
Didn't know they had a utility. Just connected serially through a terminal emulator like HyperTerminal with one of those special cables... If it's BreezeNET then you may not have telnet access to them. But you should be able to serial into them... - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] Breezecom PRO.11 Configuration Utility > Any of the old timers have a copy of this old hag laying around? > > Tnx > > -B- > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Comment Deadline Sept 16th. All WISPsfile immediately.
As will we... - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Comment Deadline Sept 16th. All WISPsfile immediately. Will make time today. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:00 AM, "Rick Harnish" wrote: Update on TV Whitespaces Comments: There are currently 44 WISP comments publicized on the FCC Website supporting the WISPA proposal. Keep up the good work but we still need more! We need everyone to take 15 minutes out of your busy day to voice your opinion on the WISPA TV Whitespaces filing. We have attached a template letter that you can use. 1. Download attachment and customize it. Can be submitted as DOC or PDF. It is as simple as adding your name and bits of information about your specific need. 2. Submit to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc with the proceeding numbers 04-186 and 02-380. Give me a call if you have any questions. UPDATE: WISP Filing updates are beginning to show up in the FCC database. Good job and thank you to those who have filed. Go to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment_search/input?z=vd7pb and search for 04-186 to read other WISP comments. More importantly, get your comments filed pronto. The deadline is September 16, 2010. We need a good showing from the WISP industry to substantiate the importance of our industry in the decision making process. This is not about WISPA, it is about your future and the WISP industry. All WISPs, This week, WISPA filed comments on the TV Whitespaces once again. The FCC is set to make decisions on this crucial topic very soon. It is imperative for all operators to take a few minutes and file individual comments to the FCC about Unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces spectrum this week. Please don’t procrastinate as the timeline is fairly short. I have attached a template support letter that Jack Unger has written to make your support and comment filing easier. Jack, Steve Coran and the FCC committee has worked hard for several years and especially in our recent filing. We need to support their hard work efforts and produce a mass support campaign to give the WISPA filing even more credibility. WISPs need more spectrum and we need spectrum that will penetrate foliage and other obstacles. This is our opportunity and essentially our obligation to stand up for our needs before this crucial decision is made. The WISPA filing can be read at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020911589. Please customize the attached template letter with your company information and if you want to add additional “local” flavor, it is accepted. The FCC staff will read each letter and register the support for the WISPA filing to assist them in making this tough decision. We have received excellent comments back from the FCC, other trade associations and manufacturers about this filing and now our membership and industry participants need to stand up and be counted as well. Once you have customized the letter, please make a .pdf copy or a .doc file and upload it at the following website. http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc. If you choose not to use the WISPA template letter but want to write your own comments, you can either follow the previous procedure or use the Express filing method at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=nc5cd. The proceeding number is 04-186. I cannot stress how important this is for each WISP company to do. I hope to search the filings Monday morning and find 1000 or more new comments supporting the WISPA filing. Take the time and “git r dun” before your busy work schedule begins again Monday morning. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video
Tower Climb videoYeah "Oh but clipping & unclipping makes me tiirred." (my best whiny voice via email). How about being dead? I don't care WHAT OSHA "allows". I don't trust ANYONE's hand not to slip. Even though OSHA may say it's OK, how irresponsible of them to put this video out to the general public. And why, anyway? What is gained except for glorifying this activity? Yeesh... - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video Makes my palms sweat just watching it WTF isn't he tied off? What an idiot - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tower Climb video Mikrotik posted this on their Facebook post. I don't see the guy clipping off or a safety climb so don't do as he does (unless I missed the safety portion). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Mikrotik ethernet routers for larger sites. On smaller sites, we have some StarOS access points (such as 4-port METRO) running RIP. - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols > On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 13:16 -0700, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard >> one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person >> that answered said "Yes". > > If the question is "Is RIP stable?", then the answer is yes. What > platform are you running? If you already said this, I missed it, as I > unintentionally deleted about 1/2 of the posts in this thread this > morning. > >> There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which >> is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. > > If you have under 15 hops to your deepest "leg", then RIP should work > well for you. I agree with your assessment that there is no real > compelling reason to change. If you are moving away from the network, > then it may be worth investigating suggestions to move from your "new" > admins, however. Beyond that, RIP makes a "good enough" solution. > >> > -- > > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * > * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Ooooh forgot that one useless thing I did...led the team at Oregon State University that developed the implementation standard for Microsoft's Active Directory partitioning & replication, over a decade ago...still in use today with several hundred servers. No need to mention the old ccMail system with over 300 post office databases sitting on Novell servers for which I & another guy wrote a series of batch files & apps nested 8 levels deep, to replicate directory changes between the post office databases...before ccMail had a directory update app that worked. That was fun. Good stuff for a laugh and a nod for those who "understand" us older guys and our older protocols. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson "That's not important right now". And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my business. If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling *enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my previous post. I want to know if this RIP "problem" is smoke & mirrors masking an ACTUAL problem. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson "That's not important right now". And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my business. If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling *enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my previous post. I want to know if this RIP "problem" is smoke & mirrors masking an ACTUAL problem. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Thus my question... - Original Message - From: L. Aaron Kaplan To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On Sep 2, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said "Yes". Sure, if you want to have stable routing loops :)) -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said "Yes". There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 14:25, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). If you have a device old enough to only support RIP, said device should be discarded. Seriously. Get off of RIP and migrate to OSPF. -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer & configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] FCC Form 477 Due Sept. 1st **OFFLIST**
We are using Powercode... - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: Cc: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] FCC Form 477 Due Sept. 1st If anyone using Powercode has yet to do this or is working on this today let me know. I have some instructions that will save you some time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: > This is the final reminder that FCC Form 477 is due tomorrow. All > broadband > service providers, (telecommunications, cable, and broadband over power > line > providers) must report broadband services by census tract, type of > technology, and upload and download speeds on the FCC’s Form 477. The Form > 477 is due twice a year - in March and September. > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/form477/ > > File Online > > Tutorial > > Technical FAQ > > > > This is not an invitation to discuss the politics which created this law. > It is a law that Broadband Providers need to abide by. Providers that do > not abide by this law are more at risk of subsidized overbuild through > Broadband Stimulus Grants and other funded sources. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Rick Harnish > > Executive Director > > WISPA > > 260-307-4000 cell > > 866-317-2851 WISPA Office > > Skype: rick.harnish. > > rharn...@wispa.org > > > > ___ > > WISPA Membership Mailing List > > --- > ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
arcnet, dude... - Original Message - From: "Leon D. Zetekoff" To: Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable > On 08/30/2010 06:39 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: >> well, just using the usual things for non usual situations. >> >> I was considering: if I have to do more than 100 meters ethernet what >> would I use? well 100m of LMR400 can be a solution in some cases (yeah I >> know fiber, but as I said I was curious about RF cables). >> >> In a previous post I saw somebody talking about ethernet over coaxial, >> so this is like the same, but with no copper/RJ45 connector. It's >> directly into the router. I am not looking for speed, I was considering >> that even with 200m or 300m LMR400 cables you could do the same job. >> > > > to show my age...ethernet started on coax; RG8/u (thick-net) or RG58/u > (thin-net). 50 ohm terminators were on both sides. Connections were made > with BNC or in the case of RG8 I think it was an AUI connector. BNC T > connectors were used on each thin-net card. > > Also, who remember token-ring? I have a PCMCIA adapter for it. :-) > > Leon > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation
You could put 100' of cheap RG58 cable between the radio and the antenna... at 5800MHz gives you something like 31dB loss... - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation Not in this case. Cables are already run so we're good there. Thanks though! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation Is there Coax or POTS in the building? A couple of Etherther Extenders can take care of difficult cable runs. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:30 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation Wall shot is not workable either. These are old buildings that 2.4 does not penetrate at all (and 900 is out of the question) - we've already tried because the cable runs are just a real big pain!! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation Then you have to have two, client and ap . if you are only going thru say one wall, how about a single ruckus, the packman one. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation The Nanos have a hard time adjusting power down that far, though. -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 11:38 AM, RickG wrote: You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150') with power that's able to adjust down to where it doesn't burn up radios. Has to mount outside, and no, there's no way to run Ethernet or fiber in this situation. Bandwidth is not that big of a deal - 3-6meg will be more than enough. Need only for VoIP traffic between two buildings. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
You need it if you have your own IP space, for BGP. If you don't "own" your OWN public IPs, then you don't have one. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation
I just learned that with new firmware, UBNT just added support for multiple IP addresses on an interface. We were wanting that alot... - Original Message - From: RickG To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation Ya, but I like the extra bells & whistles on the NS2. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: 150'? Would't the Loco be better? It's a little less sensitive too on RX which might help prevent picking up interference, reflections etc. Greg On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:08 PM, RickG wrote: You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150’) with power that’s able to adjust down to where it doesn’t burn up radios. Has to mount outside, and no, there’s no way to run Ethernet or fiber in this situation. Bandwidth is not that big of a deal – 3-6meg will be more than enough. Need only for VoIP traffic between two buildings. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
This may be getting a little off-topic, but this is a benefit of back-end systems: We have tiered service levels...the more you pay the faster you go. We have bandwidth caps (FAPs)...the higher level tiered service you pay for, the higher your FAP limit is so you can download more. About this time, we see customers getting slowed down because they hit their FAP. After we explain this to them, most of them opt for a higher level of service so they can download more. This nets us about $50-$60 a month in additional revenue EVERY MONTH for doing nothing but having the limits (and explaining it to them over the phone). No more equipment cost, no truck roll, no blah blah blah... This is for residential, BTW... Currently, business-class service levels currently do not have a FAP. We do get some customers opting for a business class service (higher price) to get no FAP limit. In any case, if this is something you are looking at doing (bandwidth caps), here's something in the "Plus" column... - Original Message - From: "Blake Covarrubias" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Oops. Dropped my iPhone and sent that out prematurely & with some unfinished sentences. Oh well. Point is, Plat wasn't that difficult to grok. I think its a great platform to invest time and energy into. The documentation is pretty clear, and the support is good. I recommend it. It definitely helped us streamline our billing and account management, and continues to do so as we implement more of its features. The only issue I have with Plat is the service provisioning dialogs get messy very quickly when provisioning objects with quite a few service parameters. For example, I haven't found a clean way to manage customer DNS records from Plat, or WiMAX QoS profiles. Anyone using Plat should understand the particular limitations I'm talking about. *sigh* Perhaps I'm just looking to integrate too much… -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 23, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: > Wow. Really? I found the documentation on Plat to generally be > understandable...enough that I was able to wrap my mind around it & > perform a conversion from QuickBooks. > > I implemented Plat in '07. Instead of just importing basic customer info & > starting balances (as recommended) I actually wrote code to import all > historical data from QuickBooks into Plat. Past invoices, payments, etc > biofiwere all re-created in Plat. I even tied in provisioning for most of > our back-end services (email, DHCP, RADIUS, FTP, CPE ) into Plat after the > initial import. > > -- > Blake Covarrubias > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 7:41, tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: > >> I purchased platypus in 2007 and tried to implement it. It was rather >> difficult and cryptic. I abandoned the project. >> >> On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 5:23 pm, David Sovereen wrote: >>> Have you looked at Platypus? Costs less, does more, scales big, and is >>> a proven solution (I've been using for 13 years, since 1997). >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Aug 22, 2010 7:50 PM, wrote: >>> > I have been using Quickbooks memorized transactions since 2001, I >>> > added a JFFNMS monitoring server in 2004, a Scrutinizer Netflow server >>> > in 2007 We currently have 700+ customers >>> > >>> > My main problem with Quickbooks for billing is that it does not handle >>> > late fees adequately, so I don't charge them now. I have 300 customers >>> > I could charge a $5 late fee this month and about 40 people I could >>> > charge a $15 reconnect fee this month as well. That is over $2, 000: I >>> > know with late fees, this number would come down, maybe cut in >>> > half(which would mean I would get my money sooner). That is why I can >>> > cost justify moving to Powercode. I have seen enough improvement over >>> > the last year with Bertram buying them that I feel comfortable enough >>> > to move forward with them. >>> > >>> > My other problems are, call tracking for tech support, auto shutoff >>> > and auto reconnect. Online payment and transaction >>> > history for my customers, double data entry into Quickbooks and >>> > JFFNMS. Everything I need(still keep Netflow Server) to see would be >>> > on one system. My hope is that all the Azotel will continue to improve >>> > which should keep the Powercode folks focused on adding features and >>> > enhancements to their system. Competition is good for everyone! >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 3:33 pm, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >> I'm looking to have something completely in place by the end of the >>> >> year. Because of the issues Matt pointed out, I don't want to really >>> >> add much more until it's automated. >>> >> >>> >> Well, after I rebuild a bunch of backhauls and turn a new network >>> >> into >>> >> a >>> >> routed one, the backends are next on my list. >>> >> >>> >> There sure isn't much information out there on Azotel. If I didn't >>> >> get >>> >> the Solut
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
If you have 50 clients on 5MHz you need to change IMO. - Original Message - From: "~NGL~" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster > Quarter 5 MHZ > 908/5 MHZ > > -- > From: "Leon D. Zetekoff" > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:39 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster > >> On 8/18/2010 11:31 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: >>> All clients >>> Changed channels several times >>> NGL >> what channel sizes? What freqs are you on for CPE and AP? >> >> Leon > > > >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 >> 02:34:00 >> > > > >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
bridge loop? arp storm? That's an awful lot of clients on that one AP. If all your CPEs are in bridge mode you could have alot of customer routers creating an arp storm for you. - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Do you have public IPs on this tower, can one of us log in and look? Are you keeping cacti or MRTG graphs of your signal strength etc? If I still lived in Boonville I would be over in a heart-beat! ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100
What kind of throughput are you getting, both in traffic and in PPS? - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 Running a RB1000 here for core router over a year without single hiccup. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 I use the MikroNOC from Titan.Don't trust the MT RB/1000 nor the RB/1100. While I still have RB/1000's in place for certain applications, BGP and other core functions for us (and our size) works better on a MikroNOC. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: n...@brevardwireless.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 For important high load MT stuff most I still suggest x86 hardware. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: OK I have not heard that the 1100 are not stable. I have one that I was planning to put at the headend of a group of towers for QOS and bandwidth management. This tread is making me nervous whats been the issues. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 Currently were limited on space and need a ton of ports. But I would have to agree, The RB1100 hasn't been making us happy lately. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- From: "Gino Villarini" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:42 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" Subject: RE: [WISPA] RB1100 Replace it with xomething else.. Product is not stable Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RB1100 Does anyone have an RB1100 they could part with? Had one on a tower fail and need a replacement. Please reply off list. Thanks Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts
Where we have seen a difference in value of equipment is in the failure/repair rate. Ours is horrible. The success or failure of build-em-yourself radios depends GREATLY on the quality of the install/installer (we have alot of StarOS, alot of weatherproofing tape, alot of pigtails, alot of jumpers). With UBNT, we are hoping to get a good balance between price of CPE and reduce the chance of carelessness costing us a service call down the road. For instance, I used Tranzeo for a while (a couple hundred of them - integrated antenna models), and those CPE either worked or died, but never had install quality problems. So, there is value in equipment if it facilitates easy quick installs and doesn't require a service call later because of a stupid pigtail not being connected to the radio quite right. - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Those prices are crazy... yes.. but the are here and I believe that they will stay like this for a while.. AT&T is fighting to compensate for it's declining business in phone lines. and Comcast is eagerly looking to eat AT&T's lunch. I agree with you about sticking with Moto if and when they come thru.. but you will also have to calculate your ROI.. I don't understand your comment about Moto having sync and same Throughput as UBNT MIMO ? ... are you referring to PMP430 ... I thought that was 802.11n & MIMO as well. Would love to hear some comparison for feedback on the PMP430 The links we are putting up are capable of doing 30-75meg (tcp thruput) in 20mhz channel and about 60-150meg (tcp thuput) in 40mhz channel. The gear is cheap.. so we are choosing to build towers/pop to service a 5mile radius tops. The trick is to use the dual polarity antennas (from UBNT) and with the "M" radios, rather than trying to hack some sort of a hybird.. (there are folks who are doing that for transition purposes). The equipment is in-expensive... so why do an "Omni" . I am not so worried about the plastic radios, I am also not looking for them to last 10 years either... So far, we have not seen any issues in running VOIP on these links either... but then again, we are not needing to put 200 subs on a single AP either. For right now, they are a great "tool" in the tool bag, until someone else steps up to the plate. So far all of the other MIMO, 802.11n radio producers have offered rather expensive PTP solutions only... It is hard to figure out it is worth it to pay an extra $1500 or $2000 per link for another mfg's MIMO PTP solution vs UBNT. Time will tell meanwhile for us.. have to use what is available... Supposedly, Firing up UBNT Radios with Airmax on them, gives a lot of grief to Moto Canopy and I am very much interested to see how their 802.11n implementation on 900mhz performs what they are showing on their spec sheets is definetly making everyone shake their heads and say... " I really want to see that to believe it.." ...we will find in out about 45 days when the radios become available in the US. Loosely speaking, don't let anyone tell you that there is value in Equipment, I have a backroom full of $150,000(each)Redback Routers which are not worth $1500each any moreFor a WISP or ISP the value is purely in the subscriber base there is some intrinsic value in equipment, to the degree that can be leveraged to add more revenue generating services.. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
How about insufficient power to the radio? - Original Message - From: Mike To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance Is one end lower than the other? If so, there could be a duct that is steering the signal or reflecting it away from the intended path. Generally though, that would be reciprocal, but not always. I had a tropospheric event this morning. Such events are way beyond the statistical norm for my area already this year. Friendly Regards, Mike -- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance Weather has been hot & humid. You think I can get better info with an analyzer than the built in Ubiquiti? On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Mike wrote: In my mind, you have eliminated mechanical and radio things. I take your alignment is right. I would at this point suspect interference. What has your weather been like? I have seen episodes of tropospheric ducting do that. I had episodes earlier this summer where I had several days of some serious ducting events. It's usually when a cooler layer of stale air is trapped by warmer upper air. Can you get your hands on an analyzer? Like I said, the Metageek WiSpy and software is a great little tool for the money. It runs great on my netbook. If I had a 5.8 version I'd overnight it to you. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance No transmitters that I know of. There is a WISP with Canopy in the next town over but its at least 5 miles away. My magic wand broke too. Thanks! On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Mike wrote: > The USB extension would be for the WiSpy device you'd hook to the antenna. > That way you have plenty of cable and don't have to assume a difficult > position. I have the 2.4G version of the WiSpy but not the 5.8. It can > tell you a lot for a simple device. > > Is there any sort of nearby transmitter where they might have turned up the > power? > > Did someone deploy Canopy close to you? > > I'd loan you my magic wand, but mine broke. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:29 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance > > Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no > tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable > last night. No help. > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike wrote: >> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a > lot. >> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB > extension >> cable. >> >> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing >> loss, I would suspect the CAT5? Spare one up the tower? Can you pull a > new >> one? Did you recrimp the ends? >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance >> >> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low >> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was >> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause >> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise. >> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike wrote: >>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device. Do you see any >>> loss? >>> >>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular >> radio >>> scanners won't see. Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer? >>> >>> Friendly Regards, >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> > >> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> > --
Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio
Crossover issue? We had a new installer come across this the other day. - Original Message - From: "Terry Hickey" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio >I have had Tranzeo radios go fubar so they only will connect if the > connecting computer/nic is set at 10 Mb > > Terry > > - Original Message - > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:27 AM > Subject: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio > > >> OK, here's a good one. >> >> Have a long term customer that can't get internet all of the sudden. >> >> Shows no cable plugged into his computer. >> >> Had him try a laptop, it worked fine. >> >> Next had him take his computer to a repair shop for a new nic card. His >> computer DID work in town though. >> >> Back home, it wouldn't work with the radio. >> >> So I went out there to check this out. My laptop would work just fine. >> His >> desktop wouldn't. >> >> I ended up installing a router and all is working nicely now. His >> computer >> will talk to the router, but going right to the radio we show no cable >> connected. >> >> Anyone seen this before? >> >> I assume this is being caused by some kind of voltage miss match that the >> other devices aren't as sensitive to? >> >> shrug >> marlon >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
Did ack timing get off somehow? - Original Message - From: "KosiNet Wireless" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance > Rick, > > I hate to ask what my be obvious Are you running through a switch? > Could > it be a negotiation issue? > > But, with the signal degradation, it sounds more like an antenna or water > issue. > > -Gary- > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: ; "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance > > > Faisal, I was hoping you would reply! My answers inline below: > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > wrote: >> do the ususal stuff... >> >> Try changing channel ? > > Yes. Tried all available channels. > >> Try to shrink the channel to 10mhz or 5mhz > > Yes. Results were just as bad if not worse. > >> >> Any possibility of water in the cables ? > or something phyiscally off >> with the coax jumpers ? > > I tried multiple new cables. Plus, eliminated cables by using the > Nanobridge. > >>(AP side ?) >> >> Since you have done everything on the far side. how about looking at the >> AP Side > > It's possible. Going there now. But, other link off sector is working > well albeit a bit degraded compared to what it was when originally > installed. > >> >> >> Run ...Airview to see if there is interference that is not being picked >> up on site survey ? > > Airview channel usage attached. I didnt realize you have to save each > scan separately. WIll get all results later. > >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet& Telecom >> >> On 8/5/2010 4:01 PM, RickG wrote: >>> Here is a good one! >>> >>> I have a short "link" of about 3 miles from my main tower to another. >>> On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running >>> firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them >>> earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db >>> grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until >>> two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it >>> was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the >>> antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to >>> try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame >>> the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working >>> well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the >>> poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area >>> but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not "see" >>> the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The >>> receive rate is only 6.5Mbps. >>> >>> At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on >>> it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input! >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> -RickG >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wirele
Re: [WISPA] OT: New Tax Recordkeeping Rules Will Cost SmallBusinesses
Let's hope it turns out to be nothing. Would be burdensome. For some more than others. - Original Message - From: "MDK" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: New Tax Recordkeeping Rules Will Cost SmallBusinesses > That came to the attention of the list several months ago.What's come > out since then, is that the IRS itself hasn't the capacity to even deal > with > the 1099's, nor have they the automated capacity to do what Congress > intended they use them for. Nor has Congress provided the means of > funding the changes necessary to do so. > > The IRS is attempting to thin the number of 1099's by administrative > relief, > by saying that all credit card and debit card transactions, for instance, > are going to be exempt.However, that's not set in stone, because it is > actually re-writing what Congress clearly intended in the bill. > > I believe there's some Republican congresscritters who are seeking to > repeal > this, specifically, but right now, I'm not in possession of that > factually, > I don't know the names. This rule was imposed by "Obamacare", and was > written into "health care reform". > > There's a very sizeable number of states and other individuals, as well as > class action lawsuits (of which I am a member of one) who is suing > Congress > over a number of provisions in the bill.Overlooked by the writers, was > the need to write severability into the bill, so if any portion or part or > segment or function of it is found illegal or unenforceable or > unconstitutional by the courts, the whole will be nullified. > > So, while yeah, this looks like a big deal for some, it may, if the > lawsuits > win, turn out to be nothing, and a lot of our headaches can or will be > dispatched in court. > > > > ++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++ > > -- > From: "Matt" > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 7:16 AM > To: ; "WISPA General List" > Subject: [WISPA] OT: New Tax Recordkeeping Rules Will Cost Small > Businesses > >> http://www.toolkit.com/news/newsDetail.aspx?nid=10-161Form1099 >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
Anyone got a 10-foot-pole that I could use to NOT touch this with? Anyone? Anyone? - Original Message - From: "MDK" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance >I have limited sympathy with your comments for a simple reason...Health > Care IS NOW a political topic.So is broadband. So is internet network > operations. So is bandwidth control, so is hiring someone, so is firing > someone, so are the money management choices you make, so is retirement, > so > are benefits, so are, well, dang near every aspect of our business lives. > > I'd say none of us, at least the smaller guys, asked for any of this to be > brought upon us.20 years ago, hardly a single thing mentioned above > was > or had ANY political concerns, and now, they're all political, and rarely > are the political concerns going to bring about wise or prudent outcomes. > > This has been pushed upon us, by interests not in our favor, and those > interests are not going away, nor are they moderating in the slightest. > In > fact, they are intent upon making MUCH more of our businesses and lives > political. > > Yes, there are simple dollar value equations to some aspects of employer > based health care, but some of it's purely political now.Any > discussion > of bandwidth management and application prioritization necessitates a > weighing and ultimately making judgments about political things. Even > arguments over what the politics actually means and how far it intends to > reach and how much it legally CAN reach. Which ultimately brings us to > the > point where we discuss the topic of health care the same way we discuss > customers who use the CD tray as a coffee cup holder, or expect us to do > miracles, on a budget of dander and fluff - and that discussion is by > necessity as much political as moral, logical, ethical. > > So you want us to NOT express our opinions on the nature of the political > intrusions into our business.Might as well say that we can't express > opinion about cranky customers, or which operating system is best on SBC's > or how to manage a network. By necessity, these things are all relevant, > as are our opinions of them. But so, too, the political aspects of our > business, must be at least some what legitimate to discuss, lest we as a > group by default follow a political course with no discussion or even > consideration to where that leads us. > > It would be reasonable and proper to ask to keep such discussions relevant > and topically accurate, and to try to keep this from degenerating into a > political flame war. More importantly, it is necessary that respect be > given to those who don't agree with your opinion, and that the "there is > only one default and acceptable opinion - that which is "politically > correct" and I see that happen in a lot of places these days. And > usually, > that opinion and default position is utterly indefensible, but is never > challenged, due to the powers that be preventing dissent. > > I would prefer that our discussions were not about politics. But they > have > to be, since politics has invited itself into darn near every aspect of > our > business.I'd say there's a powerful lesson there... but that would be > ideological, huh. > > Sigh. > > > ++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++ > > -- > From: "Forbes Mercy" > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:45 AM > To: "WISPA General List" ; > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance > >> Rick, >> >> Can we nip this in the butt right now? The discussion was to see if it >> was feasible for WISPA to look at a group rate for health care, it is >> now evolving into a political discussion. Political discussions usually >> degrade into undesirable threads which make people mad and ultimately >> cause one or more to ask to be unsubscribed from the Members list. We >> consider that a sad loss because they won't get the benefit of the many >> discussions we have that have to do with being a WISP just because >> someone wanted to spread their own political views. We are not an >> advocacy for political causes other than for more spectrum and better >> rules for WISP's. You obviously wanted to spread your views all across > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
Can you set up a "white list" for the IP or the sending email address? - Original Message - From: "Kosinet Wireless" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App > That looks cool - I just downloaded "The Dude" software and set it > up.Pretty > impressed The only problem I've seen so far - There doesn't seem to > be > anyway to to authenticate to my Mail Server. (But I've only given it 10 > minutes of my time) > > Thanks all, > > -Gary- > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Nash - Lists" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:00 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App > > >> In the first couple years of my WISP, I used MultiPing. It can email but >> not text. It can even fire off processes (I used it to run a script to >> reboot UPS's or reset Trango's in the early days). It can tell you if >> the >> device is totally down or if it has high latency. >> >> Easy to configure. Very straight-forward. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "KosiNet Wireless" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:30 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App >> >> >>>I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able >>>to >>> monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... >>> >>> Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. >>> >>> What are you guys running? >>> >>> Thanks, Gary. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
In the first couple years of my WISP, I used MultiPing. It can email but not text. It can even fire off processes (I used it to run a script to reboot UPS's or reset Trango's in the early days). It can tell you if the device is totally down or if it has high latency. Easy to configure. Very straight-forward. - Original Message - From: "KosiNet Wireless" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App >I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able >to > monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... > > Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. > > What are you guys running? > > Thanks, Gary. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
The IDEA of an HSA (Health Savings Account) is not for the employer to save money. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_savings_account It's for the employee to have a employer-funded savings account for medical expenses. Putting the normal, small expenses on the employee. So if the employee is healthy and doesn't see a doctor much, that employee can realize a savings account that grows. There is coverage in the case of a large problem. So, while premiums ARE technically lower for the employer, the employer is then SUPPOSED to put what essentially is the difference between a traditional premium and an HSA premium in the employees HSA account. This is a small step toward people paying for their own healthcare and having a savings later on in life when health care costs are higher. The advisor I talked to stated that the payoff seems to be about 18 months. In 18 months, if you don't have much in expenses, you begin to build your savings account to a point where it outperforms what a "normal" person would pay for out-of-pocket expenses. If you run it dry constantly, then it will not perform well for you, and therefore YOU should stay on a traditional premium plan. This is an employee-by-employee decision to make depending on the life circumstances of THAT employee and his/her family needs. - Original Message - From: Bret Clark To: WISPA General List Cc: memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance We went through an independent broker who essentially had created a small business group plan of area businesses that help keep cost down verses us going to the insurer ourselves. Another thing to consider is Health Savings Accounts (HSA) which are a lot less then regular health insurance but at least affords some piece of mind for employees in the event they are faced with a serious medical or health issue. Bret On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 19:07 -0400, David Weddell wrote: I know that we are constantly battling pricing in health insurance. We would be interested in how we could participate in a “WISPA” group plan and with 60+ employees and families that we cover, you can imagine our monthly premium. I would assume that in an association plan, the more that participate, the better rates could be negotiated. We would be interested in helping with negotiations if needed. I believe this is a great idea and could benefit WISPA as a whole and encourage membership as well. Regards, David Weddell VP Business Development & Corporate Partnerships Omnicity, Inc. www.omnicity.net OTCMarkets: OMCY 866 586 1518 Corporate Office 765 499 7310 Cell From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA Members] Health Insurance I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife’s policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is. Between now and then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort. My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves. Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance
though something major could include a "cast", I mean to say "in the CASE of anything major" ;) And owners pay for their own because we are an LLC. As I understand it, if you're a different type of entity such as a C-Corp, you are an employee therefore you can get health insurance paid just like an employee. LLC members are not employees. - Original Message ----- From: Mark Nash - Lists To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance We provide health insurance for employees. To keep absolute costs down, we go with a high deductible for our employees, though to offset the costs in the cast of anything major, we pay the first $1000 of the deductible on behalf of the employee. We have 5 employees. Owners have to pay for their own or get insurance elsewhere. - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' ; memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Health Insurance I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife's policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is. Between now and then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort. My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves. Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance
We provide health insurance for employees. To keep absolute costs down, we go with a high deductible for our employees, though to offset the costs in the cast of anything major, we pay the first $1000 of the deductible on behalf of the employee. We have 5 employees. Owners have to pay for their own or get insurance elsewhere. - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' ; memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Health Insurance I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife's policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is. Between now and then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort. My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves. Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
Do what you're drawn to do if you can afford it, but don't let anyone take advantage of you that you're not willing to support. Generally, I don't give price breaks that don't make fiscal sense, unless it's an organization that I'm compelled to help. Like I don't give breaks to any religious organization but I support habitat for humanity any time I can. Vet groups & community centers, I'll give them whatever they need. Chamber of Commerce we trade service for membership. One thing that works well for us is that we trade for auto service, though we just bought brand new trucks with 125k mile warranties so they're gonna be out of luck for awhile. If you remain true to yourself and your efforts and balance that with giving where appropriate, then there's no problem sleeping at night. You have to be able to afford your business activities and an appropriate lifestyle for yourself. Otherwise, what are you doing in business? For the fun of it? There's value also. - Original Message - From: "MDK" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line > > I dunno what it is about my personality, but I really, REALLY hate > collecting money.I hate asking for it.I hate setting prices. > > I always look at it as if I were the customer, and what would things be > like > if it were ME paying the bill.Maybe that's the wrong attitude, because > honestly, it tends to make me undercharge.Objectively, you have to set > a > 'what your time is worth' value and stick to it.But when you do that, > often you find that your bill is absurdly expensive. like a $250 bill for > fixing some guy's computer. A computer that's not worth 300 bucks. > > I take those in from time to time, and work on them ONLY when I have > "free" > time. And the bill is small. > > Still, I think sometimes that's not quite right either, so how do you > choose > to do what you do? Conscience has to guide, but you also have to be > honest > and you can't undercharge and stay in business, either. > > How do y'all do it? > > > ++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++ > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:52 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line > >> You beat me to it Mark. In the end, history will show that the "free >> government money attitude" is what was at the root of our country's >> downfall. Most WISP's are built on independance. We should fight >> against the use of our tax dollars for all these wasteful programs. I >> think all other utilities should be made to stand on their own as >> well. What better way to show that it works than by our own example? >> >> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, MDK wrote: >>> If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off >>> money >>> for nuttin? >>> >>> ++ >>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>> ++ >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Glenn Kelley" >>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line >>> That was my question. I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them VOIP and Internet... - but then again I guess we all would Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we should - when we can service so many more. On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to > broadband? > Noodle me that... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA
Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.
I'm bringing my woman with me (with respect to the women on the list - she calls herself that). I want to know the great places to hang out, get buzzed, walk around & shop for artsy crap! - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis. > The real question is: Is Stuart going to book a "tour"? > > roflol > > ciao, > Stuart Pierce > > - Original Message - > From: "Rick Harnish" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis. > > >> Mike, >> >> I haven't organized any trips like an arch tour or a trip to a Cardinals >> game. I would suggest doing either on Tuesday or Thursday evening before >> or >> after the event. I have heard some talk about going to a game. I would >> love someone stepping in to organize an extracurricular activity as I >> know >> I >> won't have time. >> >> Thank and I look forward to meeting you. It seems like we already have. >> >> Thanks, >> Rick >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Mike >>> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:35 PM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis. >>> >>> I've decided I'm going to St. Louis. Who is going where it would be >>> convenient to arrive together? Too close to fly. Kinda like my >>> generation; >>> too young for Woodstock, too old for Sesame Street. >>> >>> I hope someone has an arch tour in the works; I'd do that if time >>> allows. >>> >>> I am looking forward to attaching faces to names. I will be one of the >>> faces without a name. >>> >>> Friendly Regards, >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Mike Gilchrist >>> Disruptive Technologist >>> Advanced Wireless Express >>> P.O. Box 255 >>> Toledo, IA 52342 >>> 239.770.6203 >>> m...@aweiowa.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:45 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign >>> >>> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four222 >>> The smallest you can request is a /22 if multihomed. >>> >>> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#two7 >>> It appears they have changed the definition. It used to include a >>> section >>> on going to be multihomed in 30 days or some bit. >>> >>> If not multihomed, the smallest you can request is a /20. >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/26/2010 8:22 AM, Alan Bryant wrote: >>> > Apparently I talked with the wrong. Person or things have changed. >>> > ARIN told me that I needed to be multihomed or show the need for a >>> /20. >>> > >>> > On Jun 26, 2010 6:32 AM, "Francois D. Menard" >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > You do not need to be multihomed, just need to demonstrate intent to >>> > be multihomed... And show need for 400+ IP's >>> > >>> > -- >>> > fmen...@xittel.net >>> > >>> > >>> > On 2010-06-25, at 17:21, Alan Bryant >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> >> We do not have them fr... >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > - >>> - >>> > -- >>> > >>> >> WISPA Wants You... >>> >> >>> > >>> > - >>> - >>> > -- >>> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> > - >>> - >>> > -- >>> > >>> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> > >>> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> > >>> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> > >>> >>> >>> --- >>> - >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> --- >>> - >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> - >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> --- >>> - >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --
Re: [WISPA] Connect to Old StarOS Boards
You could do a frame capture with wireshark. Used ethereal a long time ago.. - Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 7:12 AM Subject: [WISPA] Connect to Old StarOS Boards >I have some old StarOS boards that have been taken out of service. The >info tags were ripped off so I have no Idea of IP's. Any type of MAC >locator App like the Tranzeo Victor or UBNT Discovery or MT winbox for >these? > > Steve Barnes > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Availability Monitoring
Nagios / The Dude... - Original Message - From: "D. Ryan Spott" To: "WISPA General List" Cc: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Availability Monitoring >I do this for my network and my competitors. :) > > Nice to compare apples to rotten apples. > > ryan > > > > On Jun 3, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Nick Huanca > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I wanted to see if anyone has any ideas on Availability Monitoring >> of core >> devices and APs. Is anyone out there performing availability reports >> using >> Nagios or anything similar? For example, if something is down for 1 >> hour, >> depending on it's placement in the network, it would bring the >> availability >> of that section of the network down to around 99.990% for the year >> (99.990% >> = 52.6 minutes per year). The issue is that Nagios dilutes the >> results of >> overall network availability by including all the 100% figures that >> were not >> included in the outage. >> >> Is anyone organizing their reports in a different fashion that more >> accurately portray availability of a network? I understand this is >> quite a >> loaded question not knowing the topology or any of the >> configurations of our >> Nagios implementation. >> >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> -- >> Nick Huanca >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
Can't tell you how many times I spilled off of my dirt bike before the age of 10... Reaching for the kill switch to turn the motor off to realize that the barbed wire has ahold of you...Now motorcycles have 4 wheels...I guess they're fun, too. - Original Message - From: "Robert West" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > Go down to the beaches now or the parks or the local swimming pools. Not > many there. I've tried to get my brats to do active things. Right! > > One of the boys sprained his shoulder 2 days ago at school. Gym class, > was > throwing footballs. I honestly think it's the first time he ever strained > a > muscle other than his thumbs or mouse clicking index finger. So he's all > whining about it. I told him it's about time he got a real injury! > > Shesh! Kids. At his age, 13, I already had dog bites, one snake > bite, > a broken wrist, scars, etc. > > Electronics suck! > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:51 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > > Yeesh back in '79 the coolest things I had access to were my baseball > glove > and my trombone cuz I was in JUNIOR HIGH!!! > > Then there was taking my boogie board to Huntington beach almost every > single day on the bus in the summer. Didn't need devices in those days. > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:25 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > > > Now there are some memories! We played Star Trek on the University of > Iowa > Engineering mainframe back in 1976. Between sessions, you saved your game > on punch tape and took the loop home with you. > > Friendly Regards, > > Mike > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:20 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > > Pacman, Excitebike, Galaga, MechWarrior, taking me back! Go back a bit > further to Zork - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork. > > Here is an interesting story: I was an IBM Field Engineer in my > previous life. When I first started there, I maintained System/360 > mainframes for the large banks in LA. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_360 > We loaded and ran two games on the system back in 1979, Zork and > Startrek. LOL, the banks "timeshared" the system and tracked usage in > order to bill each department. One day they asked why engineering was > running so many diagnostics :) > -RickG > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mark Nash - Lists > wrote: >> Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system > with >> full-surround pods & intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "David E. Smith" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man >> >> >> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West >> wrote: >>> They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug >>> into >>> the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I >>> purchased >>> one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful >>> game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade >>> deal >>> is pretty sweet. >> >> I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, >> hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. >> >> David Smith >> MVN.net >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > --
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
Yeesh back in '79 the coolest things I had access to were my baseball glove and my trombone cuz I was in JUNIOR HIGH!!! Then there was taking my boogie board to Huntington beach almost every single day on the bus in the summer. Didn't need devices in those days. - Original Message - From: "Mike" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Now there are some memories! We played Star Trek on the University of Iowa Engineering mainframe back in 1976. Between sessions, you saved your game on punch tape and took the loop home with you. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Pacman, Excitebike, Galaga, MechWarrior, taking me back! Go back a bit further to Zork - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork. Here is an interesting story: I was an IBM Field Engineer in my previous life. When I first started there, I maintained System/360 mainframes for the large banks in LA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_360 We loaded and ran two games on the system back in 1979, Zork and Startrek. LOL, the banks "timeshared" the system and tracked usage in order to bill each department. One day they asked why engineering was running so many diagnostics :) -RickG On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with > full-surround pods & intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles > > - Original Message - > From: "David E. Smith" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West > wrote: >> They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into >> the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased >> one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful >> game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade >> deal >> is pretty sweet. > > I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, > hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
a...sigh...now building for retirement & helping kids through college & life, have no time or energy for that sort of nonsense. Hopefully I'll keep the fond memories though for a long, long time... Especially my friends bachelor party where the 8 of us drank pitchers of beer (alphabetical, by name...they had A-Z beer names) and every 5 pitchers we would go head-to-head on pole-position hehehe... Got a little difficult after awhile. I can still taste the morning after...beer & peanuts...uck... - Original Message ----- From: "Mark Nash - Lists" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system > with > full-surround pods & intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles > > - Original Message - > From: "David E. Smith" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West > wrote: >> They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into >> the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased >> one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful >> game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade >> deal >> is pretty sweet. > > I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, > hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with full-surround pods & intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West wrote: > They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into > the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased > one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful > game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade > deal > is pretty sweet. I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
God the first time I saw Robotron I about had a heart attack. I respected anyone who could play that with any success. Too much stimuli! Frogger was more my speed... - Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > Captain: For great justice. > > Steve Barnes > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:33 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > > "You have been promoted to Space Captain". > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > > > AYBABTU > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue > that counts." > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Robert West > wrote: > >> I gots da Gorf in the garage. That one is my favorite. Picked it up for >> a >> hundred bucks from a Laundromat in Grove City Ohio. >> >> Bad Move, Space Cadet! >> >> Got a Zero Wing as well only because it says.... come on, you know >> it >> >> All your base belong to us!! >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists >> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:13 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man >> >> I saw Gorf the other day. >> >> And I just purchased ExciteBike for the Wii at home. >> >> 3 months ago I purchased the original Donkey Kong for the Wii, and NONE >> of >> my kids could beat it. My kids are 24, 21, & 18. >> >> I'd keep saying "That just cost you a quarter... "That just cost you a >> quarter... That just cost you a quarter..." >> >> Now they have an idea of what every day after school was like for their >> old >> man... Frogger, DigDug, Centipede, Galaga, and ANY donut shop that had a >> good pinball game kept me for hours sometimes. I'd always sell my school >> lunch to my friends and go to Sega Center after school for another fix. >> Says alot about me, hehehe... >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Cliff" >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man >> >> >> > This is one of my favorite past times. A Mr. Gattis went out of >> > business >> > here. It was a great day for me. >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:40 AM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man >> > >> >>... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. >> > >> > You are my hero! >> > >> > Josh Luthman >> > Office: 937-552-2340 >> > Direct: 937-552-2343 >> > 1100 Wayne St >> > Suite 1337 >> > Troy, OH 45373 >> > >> > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >> continue >> > that counts." >> > --- Winston Churchill >> > >> > >> > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, D. Ryan Spott >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out >> >> several >> >> Atari 2600 joysticks. >> >> >> >> I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for >> games >> >> faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and >> >> foolishly >> >> challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She >> > played >> >> her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd >> > around >> >> me. >> >> >> >> Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an >> insult: >> >> "I &g
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
"You have been promoted to Space Captain". - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man AYBABTU Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Robert West wrote: > I gots da Gorf in the garage. That one is my favorite. Picked it up for > a > hundred bucks from a Laundromat in Grove City Ohio. > > Bad Move, Space Cadet! > > Got a Zero Wing as well only because it says come on, you know > it > > All your base belong to us!! > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:13 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > > I saw Gorf the other day. > > And I just purchased ExciteBike for the Wii at home. > > 3 months ago I purchased the original Donkey Kong for the Wii, and NONE of > my kids could beat it. My kids are 24, 21, & 18. > > I'd keep saying "That just cost you a quarter... "That just cost you a > quarter... That just cost you a quarter..." > > Now they have an idea of what every day after school was like for their > old > man... Frogger, DigDug, Centipede, Galaga, and ANY donut shop that had a > good pinball game kept me for hours sometimes. I'd always sell my school > lunch to my friends and go to Sega Center after school for another fix. > Says alot about me, hehehe... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Cliff" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > > > > This is one of my favorite past times. A Mr. Gattis went out of > > business > > here. It was a great day for me. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:40 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > > > >>... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. > > > > You are my hero! > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue > > that counts." > > --- Winston Churchill > > > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, D. Ryan Spott > > wrote: > > > >> I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out > >> several > >> Atari 2600 joysticks. > >> > >> I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for > games > >> faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and > >> foolishly > >> challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She > > played > >> her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd > > around > >> me. > >> > >> Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an > insult: > >> "I > >> married such a nerd." > >> > >> :) > >> > >> ryan > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Unger wrote: > >> > >> > But dd... > >> > > >> > Robert West wrote: > >> > > >> > Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Robert West > >> > > >> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. > >> > > >> > 740-335-7020 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Logo5 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> >
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
Had a 7-11 clerk job while waiting for Marine Corps boot camp after high school. They had ExciteBike and I swear I spent all my income on: 1. gas to get to work 2. Big Gulps 3. ExciteBike Did a stint on Joust & Dragons Lair as well. - Original Message - From: "Robert West" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man >I gots da Gorf in the garage. That one is my favorite. Picked it up for a > hundred bucks from a Laundromat in Grove City Ohio. > > Bad Move, Space Cadet! > > Got a Zero Wing as well only because it says come on, you know > it > > All your base belong to us!! > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:13 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > > I saw Gorf the other day. > > And I just purchased ExciteBike for the Wii at home. > > 3 months ago I purchased the original Donkey Kong for the Wii, and NONE of > my kids could beat it. My kids are 24, 21, & 18. > > I'd keep saying "That just cost you a quarter... "That just cost you a > quarter... That just cost you a quarter..." > > Now they have an idea of what every day after school was like for their > old > man... Frogger, DigDug, Centipede, Galaga, and ANY donut shop that had a > good pinball game kept me for hours sometimes. I'd always sell my school > lunch to my friends and go to Sega Center after school for another fix. > Says alot about me, hehehe... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Cliff" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > > >> This is one of my favorite past times. A Mr. Gattis went out of business >> here. It was a great day for me. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:40 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man >> >>>... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. >> >> You are my hero! >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >> continue >> that counts." >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, D. Ryan Spott >> wrote: >> >>> I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out >>> several >>> Atari 2600 joysticks. >>> >>> I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for >>> games >>> faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and >>> foolishly >>> challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She >> played >>> her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd >> around >>> me. >>> >>> Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an >>> insult: >>> "I >>> married such a nerd." >>> >>> :) >>> >>> ryan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Unger wrote: >>> >>> > But dd... >>> > >>> > Robert West wrote: >>> > >>> > Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Robert West >>> > >>> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >>> > >>> > 740-335-7020 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Logo5 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> > >> >>> > WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> > >>> >> > >> >>> > >>> >
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
I saw Gorf the other day. And I just purchased ExciteBike for the Wii at home. 3 months ago I purchased the original Donkey Kong for the Wii, and NONE of my kids could beat it. My kids are 24, 21, & 18. I'd keep saying "That just cost you a quarter... "That just cost you a quarter... That just cost you a quarter..." Now they have an idea of what every day after school was like for their old man... Frogger, DigDug, Centipede, Galaga, and ANY donut shop that had a good pinball game kept me for hours sometimes. I'd always sell my school lunch to my friends and go to Sega Center after school for another fix. Says alot about me, hehehe... - Original Message - From: "Cliff" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > This is one of my favorite past times. A Mr. Gattis went out of business > here. It was a great day for me. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:40 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man > >>... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. > > You are my hero! > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue > that counts." > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, D. Ryan Spott > wrote: > >> I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out >> several >> Atari 2600 joysticks. >> >> I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for games >> faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and >> foolishly >> challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She > played >> her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd > around >> me. >> >> Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an insult: >> "I >> married such a nerd." >> >> :) >> >> ryan >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Unger wrote: >> >> > But dd... >> > >> > Robert West wrote: >> > >> > Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Robert West >> > >> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >> > >> > 740-335-7020 >> > >> > >> > >> > Logo5 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> > > >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. >> > Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing >> > Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities >> > since >> 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > A
Re: [WISPA] Issues with sending email with Everyone.net servers
Yes, address books. They are a pain. We migrated about 900 accounts TO the Everyone.Net servers last year. From 2 very different mail servers, about 40 domains. Address books were a pain in the rear. Then there was the 2 users that were actually using the Calendar feature of one of the servers. We told them "sorry, it's gone". ;) - Original Message - From: "Scott Lambert" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Issues with sending email with Everyone.net servers > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 02:36:52PM -0700, Mark Nash wrote: >> I hope to have a resolution soon, or we will be switching 1000+ users >> to another provider. Anyone who's done that knows the undertaking it >> will be, but we will do it nevertheless. > > Moving the mailboxes is not so bad. Getting the webmail address books, > that's the fun part. > > We just moved 400 accounts, from a recently aquired domain, off > everyone.net to our servers. I have an shell script which uses imapsync > which does the e-mail part quite nicely, imap server to imap server. We > use Cyrus-IMAPd, but it shouldn't matter much which imap server you run. > > The address books will take some manual effort. But, you can "print" > each address book from everyone.net's fancy webmail view, copy and paste > it into a text file and run a script to convert it into whatever format > you need. We shoved it into the squirrelmail address book database. > > It just takes a lot of hours to log in and do the copy and paste. > > If you decide you need to do it and want the scripts, let me know. I'll > see if I can abstract out the sensitive information. > > -- > Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix > SysAdmin > lamb...@lambertfam.org > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Issues with sending email with Everyone.net servers
We have been having alot of problems sending email through Everyone.Net's servers. Lots of server rejections, delivery resource unavailable type messages. Anyone going through the same problems? Here's a message sent by our tech to their tech support this morning. This message outlines our problems with them. - Original Message - From: Justin Mann To: Everyone.net Technical Support ; Unwired West Cc: Mark Nash Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: Continued issues with sending email with Everyone.net servers Hello, We are getting more "Delivery Resource Unavailable" errors from the Everyone.net SMTP servers today. This is on both shared-svc1 and shared-svc2. We would like help on why this is happening, and why we have issues sending email intermittently. I know for a fact this is an issue with the everyone.net servers; the error message is being returned from the servers themselves, after an SMTP session has been established. See the attached image; that is the error message coming from Everyone.net's servers. We didn't have many issues from this in April, but it was a nightmare earlier in the year. When email does not work, it makes it very difficult to do business. I am sure you understand our frustrations. So far, all suggestions given to us from Everyone.net have not worked. We have exhausted all potential options on our ends for reasons that we could be causing the errors. We have used different workstations, different operating systems, different mail clients, different ISPs, different email domains. We have even used different SMTP servers per your suggestion. When we use third-party SMTP servers we do not have this problem, ever. However, that is not a long-term solution. Please advise. Also, please look at the attached image. This is the type of error message we get, frequently, with both shared-svc1 and now shared-svc2. <> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
At first glance it looks like everyone is getting what they're paying for. Higher pricing for one-stop-shopping, lower for piece-it-together-yourself-and-make-it-work. IMHO, the v8 (old) Powercode pricing was WAY too low. It was something like $225/mo for 700 subs. They needed more $$ for the amount of effort that would be needed to make Powercode a great product. Now that said, the Powercode v9 pricing is pretty high. It has me continually questioning its worth. I don't like feeling that way. I have to really come to terms with it and remind myself what it does for us...in a nutshell...it saves people time. I'm not that involved in my business anymore other than financially. My first 300 subs I installed myself. Merged with a partner a couple years ago to gain a couple hundred more customers. Last 2 years we've put a few hundred more on. Stepped out of it last year to take the cash flow burden of my income away to allow it to thrive. Best decision I've made in awhile. Now we have several thousand dollars available for fast growth. Powercode is definitely pay-to-play. However, it gives me peace of mind to know that we have a system that is commercially supported. I don't want one employee having a strangle-hold on me because he's the only one who knows how to do "X", "Y", or "Z". I'll likely not stray from that philosophy, but if there's another competing product I'm all ears... - Original Message - From: "Chuck Hogg" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software > We are using the Platypus database directly. Since it is only the first > month, we are still learning the tricks of it. I would say asking me > that question in 3-6 months would be more appropriate. > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:58 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software > > Chuck, how problem-free is your solution? > > One of the things that I was afraid about a custom in-house solution, > even if it's just modifying a base platform, was the recurring cost of > having someone dealing with its issues, things getting out of sync, etc. > > The pricing for Powercode is steep, absolutely 100% no question about > it...so you have to wrap your mind around what it's saving you to fathom > a value. > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck Hogg" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software > > > Wombat/Plat has a radius integration that will do that, and we have some > of > our own custom things that we are working on to make it do some other > things > we want it to do. It's not very much work to get it implemented if you > know > what you are doing... but if you are wanting a drop in solution maybe > Powercode will do what you want. I know I wasn't going to pay more than > > .10/customer/month. It also integrates well with IPPay. Honestly, the > money I am saving over a traditional merchant account by switching to > IPPay > is more than paying for Platypus. > > Their API is very open and they will let you do about anything with the > software. I don't know if Powercode is all web based or not, but having > a > client32 application is pretty nice to have for my techs/billing people. > In > addition, it tracks our sales commissions, customer referrals, and more. > > I'm not trying to sell it, but just giving an explanation on why I'm > using > it. I reviewed powercode, and the price blew me away. 1400 customers > was > almost $2000 per month. Almost in one month I pay for Wombat/Platypus > for a > year. > > Nothing did everything we wanted, so we looked at cost and how do we > customize it to our needs. Platypus/Wombat fit the bill. They even > came > out and did a two day training seminar for my whole company, made sure > the > software/system was completely setup correctly for $1k/day. I probably > could have figured it out, but I wanted to make sure someone was > training my > people correctly + I didn't have the time. > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless
Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
I hear you on the "Just fix it" part. Powercode's upgrades are crazy simple... The main page indicates that there is an upgrade available... You check out the Release Notes... Notify for everyone to logout of Powercode... You click on the "Upgrade" link, and it queues the auto-in-place upgrade for the next 5-minute cycle and scripts do the rest. Upgrade is downloaded and installed...server reboots and you're done. - Original Message - From: "Justin Wilson" To: "WISPA General List" ; "David E. Smith" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software The things I have seen is importing the codes back into the software. Maybe it¹s on the software side, not on the authorize.net side. I am not a programmer by any means. If I am basing my accounts receivable on software I personally want some sort of support behind it. Not just ³some guy². If you have multiple people you can call for an Open source solution, such as freeside, that is better. I have heard more than one case where a programmer left a company and the company spent the next 6 months re-working the code. If you have the resources that is fine. I am just saying I would want someone to call and be able to say ³This isn¹t working fix it. I am going to go install some customers while you are fixing it². Commercial solutions can be expensive. So can customizing and supporting a ³Free² one. If someone is looking to do just billign then quickbooks or just about any other such program should suffice. Back to the call tracking. I was a big fan of perldesk. In the process of getting another license for a project now. Justin -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: "David E. Smith" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:51:37 -0500 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 16:46, Justin Wilson wrote: >To me any billing software needs to have an active development behind > it. Places like authorize.net and the like make changes that break API > enabled apps on a semi-regular basis. > > What kind of API changes are you referring to? Ten years ago, I set up a small Web site/store for a friend, using authorize.net; I've had to make exactly one change in that whole time to the credit card processing side of things. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
Cliff, Powercode v9 had a major price tag increase with it. Are you comparing Powercode v9 pricing to Azotel? Or the old Powercode v8? - Original Message - From: "Cliff" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software When I priced it out for replacing Powercode, I think it was 1.5X the cost. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software How does Azotel stand up to Powercode? Powercode has been there for years, but they did stagnate for awhile. Azotel doesn't look nearly as full-featured as Powercode. So then how does the pricing compare? - Original Message - From: "Justin Wilson" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software Azotel is a good solution. Ties into billing/provisioning/etc. www.wispsolutions.com . They are a WISPA member so it¹s always good to support members. Azotel is much more involved than simple ticketing as it is billing and more but it¹s one screen to look at. Otherwise we have implemented the following in the past. Perldesk www.perldesk.com osTicket www.osticket.com Justin -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Sara Gray Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:35:33 -0500 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets, appointments, and customer information. Can anyone suggest a good software that can do this. Id like to have web access. I've looked at a few but have never heard of most of them so I'm looking for suggestions of what others have used and like. Thanks for any input. Sara WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
How does Azotel stand up to Powercode? Powercode has been there for years, but they did stagnate for awhile. Azotel doesn't look nearly as full-featured as Powercode. So then how does the pricing compare? - Original Message - From: "Justin Wilson" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software Azotel is a good solution. Ties into billing/provisioning/etc. www.wispsolutions.com . They are a WISPA member so it¹s always good to support members. Azotel is much more involved than simple ticketing as it is billing and more but it¹s one screen to look at. Otherwise we have implemented the following in the past. Perldesk www.perldesk.com osTicket www.osticket.com Justin -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Sara Gray Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:35:33 -0500 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets, appointments, and customer information. Can anyone suggest a good software that can do this. Id like to have web access. I've looked at a few but have never heard of most of them so I'm looking for suggestions of what others have used and like. Thanks for any input. Sara WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
Chuck, how problem-free is your solution? One of the things that I was afraid about a custom in-house solution, even if it's just modifying a base platform, was the recurring cost of having someone dealing with its issues, things getting out of sync, etc. The pricing for Powercode is steep, absolutely 100% no question about it...so you have to wrap your mind around what it's saving you to fathom a value. - Original Message - From: "Chuck Hogg" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software Wombat/Plat has a radius integration that will do that, and we have some of our own custom things that we are working on to make it do some other things we want it to do. It's not very much work to get it implemented if you know what you are doing... but if you are wanting a drop in solution maybe Powercode will do what you want. I know I wasn't going to pay more than .10/customer/month. It also integrates well with IPPay. Honestly, the money I am saving over a traditional merchant account by switching to IPPay is more than paying for Platypus. Their API is very open and they will let you do about anything with the software. I don't know if Powercode is all web based or not, but having a client32 application is pretty nice to have for my techs/billing people. In addition, it tracks our sales commissions, customer referrals, and more. I'm not trying to sell it, but just giving an explanation on why I'm using it. I reviewed powercode, and the price blew me away. 1400 customers was almost $2000 per month. Almost in one month I pay for Wombat/Platypus for a year. Nothing did everything we wanted, so we looked at cost and how do we customize it to our needs. Platypus/Wombat fit the bill. They even came out and did a two day training seminar for my whole company, made sure the software/system was completely setup correctly for $1k/day. I probably could have figured it out, but I wanted to make sure someone was training my people correctly + I didn't have the time. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software If you have a developer to make things work together, that's a great option. Powercode's alternative is to shut the customer off and have them pay their bill. I'd rather that then a phone call. Just my opinion. Chuck - does your Wombat/Platypus shut customers off, track equipment, etc or is it simply a billing system? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > Wombat/Platypus does it as well... $250/mth for under 5k customers... > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Sara Gray > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:24 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software > > How much does powercode cost? > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:39 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software > > I use Powercode. > > - Original Message - > From: "Sara Gray" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 AM > Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software > > >> I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets, >> appointments, and customer information. Can anyone suggest a good >> software that can do this. Id like to have web access. I've looked >> at a few > but >> have never heard of most of them so I'm looking for suggestions of > what >> others have used and like. Thanks for any input. >> >> Sara >> >> >> >> > -- > -- > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > -- >
Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
What were you missing Ryan? - Original Message - From: "D. Ryan Spott" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software Yeah, I was gonna say. I looked at, and even entered my subs into powercode at one point last summer... happily thinking "this system is gonna rock!" and then I found out that I only get 1/2 of the features that were advertised. :( I ended up not going with them. ryan On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > I personally think it's more like $1.35/sub or $1.65/sub for everything. > Our normal bill is about $1200/mo I think for 850 subs. > > - Original Message - > From: "D. Ryan Spott" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:52 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software > > > $1 For everything or just half the features? > > ryan > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > > Something like $1/active account. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > > continue that counts.” > > --- Winston Churchill > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Sara Gray wrote: > > > How much does powercode cost? > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:39 PM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software > > > > > > I use Powercode. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Sara Gray" > > > To: "'WISPA General List'" > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 AM > > > Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software > > > > > > > > >> I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets, > > >> appointments, and customer information. Can anyone suggest a good > > >> software > > >> that can do this. Id like to have web access. I've looked at a few > > >> but > > >> have never heard of most of them so I'm looking for suggestions of > what > > >> others have used and like. Thanks for any input. > > >> > > >> Sara > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > >> > > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > >> > > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
I personally think it's more like $1.35/sub or $1.65/sub for everything. Our normal bill is about $1200/mo I think for 850 subs. - Original Message - From: "D. Ryan Spott" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software $1 For everything or just half the features? ryan On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Something like $1/active account. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Sara Gray wrote: > > How much does powercode cost? > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:39 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software > > > > I use Powercode. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sara Gray" > > To: "'WISPA General List'" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 AM > > Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software > > > > > >> I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets, > >> appointments, and customer information. Can anyone suggest a good > >> software > >> that can do this. Id like to have web access. I've looked at a few > >> but > >> have never heard of most of them so I'm looking for suggestions of what > >> others have used and like. Thanks for any input. > >> > >> Sara > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > > > > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
I use Powercode. - Original Message - From: "Sara Gray" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 AM Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software > I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets, > appointments, and customer information. Can anyone suggest a good > software > that can do this. Id like to have web access. I've looked at a few but > have never heard of most of them so I'm looking for suggestions of what > others have used and like. Thanks for any input. > > Sara > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OSS Options
There has been some discussion on the list about Powercode... I'd like to hear from other people who use an OSS similar to Powercode and let us know their experiences. I was considering an alternative some time back when things weren't going so well... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
Powercode told us that they wouldn't support anything for the BMU but an Imagestream router... - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties Billing + scheduling = Quickbooks + Google Calendar Sales leads has several alternatives, not sure what you're looking for from Powercode unless it's to see where they all map out so you know where to put your next tower. Service packages/bandwidth/speeds/delinquency is my favorite part. This requires a BMU - CentOS works but I'd strongly recommend ImageStream. Be sure to get a fast enough router. Ask ImageStream what they suggest for your network load. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > Yeah it wouldn't be a solution for me if it was just billing. Too > expensive. The value is (in theory and, IMHO, in practice) in the CRM, > install scheduling, service call scheduling, sales leads, service packages > tied to BMU, bandwidth throttling, auto speed limiter (different than > bandwidth throttling), customer portal and auto-disconnect. > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > > > You can do just billing but that would be too expensive versus > Quickbooks in my opinion. > > At this time you can not do PPPOE but I've asked them to do this > several times. They're "looking in to it". 50% chance for it to > work. To me, from a network looking glass, it would be MUCH easier > then their current method. > > Currently they use iptables to redirect http/drop other traffic. The > best part is a customer can log in and see their balance/bandwidth > usage at any time and add their own cards/bank accounts. I don't want > to do this, but you can have them add their own computers' MACs and > such (this could lead to one account getting multiple neighbors if you > don't NAT your radios). > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Paul Gerstenberger > wrote: >> How does the PowerCode network management... work? I've already started >> down the Mikrotik PPPoE/Radius path, would it be interoperable? >> >> Is it a modular package? We do billing alongside the electric utility >> billing (which has it's pros and cons), but I'd really like something >> that >> could handle the CRM and Operations features listed on the PowerCode >> site. >> >> -Paul >> >> On May 2, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >>> Did you guys change your redirect page very much? I changed it in two >>> ways. I made the reasons and fixes line up and make sense (because >>> removing >>> a virus would never update their account) and added the IP address at >>> the >>> bottom so I can simply add their new computer/router/etc to their >>> account >>> without having them go through Windows. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>> continue >>> that counts.” >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Mark Nash - Lists >>> wrote: >>> >>>> One thing that is saving us alot of time is dealing with delinquent >>>> accounts. >>>> >>>> Used to take about a couple hours each month to actually shut off CPEs >>>> for >>>> non-payment. Then each would have to call in, arrange for payment or >>>> make >>>> a >>>> credit card payment over the phone, bitch at the agent on the phone, >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> Now, with the combination of the Billing Server/BMU/Customer Portal, >>>> that >>>> activity has dropped to next-to-nothing. BMU redirects the "Delinquent" >>>> user'
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
Yeah it wouldn't be a solution for me if it was just billing. Too expensive. The value is (in theory and, IMHO, in practice) in the CRM, install scheduling, service call scheduling, sales leads, service packages tied to BMU, bandwidth throttling, auto speed limiter (different than bandwidth throttling), customer portal and auto-disconnect. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties You can do just billing but that would be too expensive versus Quickbooks in my opinion. At this time you can not do PPPOE but I've asked them to do this several times. They're "looking in to it". 50% chance for it to work. To me, from a network looking glass, it would be MUCH easier then their current method. Currently they use iptables to redirect http/drop other traffic. The best part is a customer can log in and see their balance/bandwidth usage at any time and add their own cards/bank accounts. I don't want to do this, but you can have them add their own computers' MACs and such (this could lead to one account getting multiple neighbors if you don't NAT your radios). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: > How does the PowerCode network management... work? I've already started > down the Mikrotik PPPoE/Radius path, would it be interoperable? > > Is it a modular package? We do billing alongside the electric utility > billing (which has it's pros and cons), but I'd really like something that > could handle the CRM and Operations features listed on the PowerCode site. > > -Paul > > On May 2, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Did you guys change your redirect page very much? I changed it in two >> ways. I made the reasons and fixes line up and make sense (because >> removing >> a virus would never update their account) and added the IP address at the >> bottom so I can simply add their new computer/router/etc to their account >> without having them go through Windows. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >> continue >> that counts.” >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Mark Nash - Lists >> wrote: >> >>> One thing that is saving us alot of time is dealing with delinquent >>> accounts. >>> >>> Used to take about a couple hours each month to actually shut off CPEs >>> for >>> non-payment. Then each would have to call in, arrange for payment or >>> make >>> a >>> credit card payment over the phone, bitch at the agent on the phone, >>> etc. >>> >>> Now, with the combination of the Billing Server/BMU/Customer Portal, >>> that >>> activity has dropped to next-to-nothing. BMU redirects the "Delinquent" >>> user's browser to a "delinquent" page and offers to connect them to the >>> Customer Portal on the billing server. Customers can now re-activate >>> themselves with their credit card, and don't have to go through the >>> embarrassment of talking with someone at our office, and we don't have >>> to >>> deal with them either. And to boot, Powercode v9 now can automatically >>> charge a "Reconnect Fee" to turn service back on. >>> >>> With shutoffs happening more rapidly and automatically, people are >>> getting >>> used to it and paying us more regularly. The usual suspects that seem to >>> always be late are learning, too. It used to be that we could turn them >>> back on until their "check came in the mail". Now we say, "I'm sorry, >>> the >>> system won't let you back on until I clear the late portion of the >>> account". >>> That's kinda true, too, because you can manually change the customer's >>> status from "Delinquent" to "Active", and it will let them back on. >>> Until >>> 3am the next morning when the routine hits again to change the account >>> BACK >>> to "Delinquent". Poof! >>> >>> This "having to deal MORE with the people who AREN'T
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
We have not updated the redirect page. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties Did you guys change your redirect page very much? I changed it in two ways. I made the reasons and fixes line up and make sense (because removing a virus would never update their account) and added the IP address at the bottom so I can simply add their new computer/router/etc to their account without having them go through Windows. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > One thing that is saving us alot of time is dealing with delinquent > accounts. > > Used to take about a couple hours each month to actually shut off CPEs for > non-payment. Then each would have to call in, arrange for payment or make > a > credit card payment over the phone, bitch at the agent on the phone, etc. > > Now, with the combination of the Billing Server/BMU/Customer Portal, that > activity has dropped to next-to-nothing. BMU redirects the "Delinquent" > user's browser to a "delinquent" page and offers to connect them to the > Customer Portal on the billing server. Customers can now re-activate > themselves with their credit card, and don't have to go through the > embarrassment of talking with someone at our office, and we don't have to > deal with them either. And to boot, Powercode v9 now can automatically > charge a "Reconnect Fee" to turn service back on. > > With shutoffs happening more rapidly and automatically, people are getting > used to it and paying us more regularly. The usual suspects that seem to > always be late are learning, too. It used to be that we could turn them > back on until their "check came in the mail". Now we say, "I'm sorry, the > system won't let you back on until I clear the late portion of the > account". > That's kinda true, too, because you can manually change the customer's > status from "Delinquent" to "Active", and it will let them back on. Until > 3am the next morning when the routine hits again to change the account > BACK > to "Delinquent". Poof! > > This "having to deal MORE with the people who AREN'T paying on time" used > to > really irk me. Now, with this system in place, I make about $250/mo from > reconnect fees. Hardly have to deal with them at all, and money is coming > in much more efficiently. > > BTW... Higher-end business clients have a HUGE grace period before they > turn > to "Delinquent". Didn't want those guys getting shut off just because the > A/P clerk took a few days off and got behind on paying the bill! > > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > > > Not sure if it deletes the account. I doubt it and hope it doesn't, > though. > > On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > > OK, but at least, if the account was actually CREATED in Powercode, it > > is > > accounted for in the billing program and cleaned up (removed) when the > > account is set to "Not Active"? > > > > That's a huge step in the right direction for cleaning up email > > accounts. > > > > Since there's no cross-reference now, I have no way of knowing who owns > > hundreds of our email addresses. You get people putting in email > accounts > > without a first & last name that identifies the Powercode customer, and > > email addresses like just2d...@whatever.com. > > > > Currently, I just have a policy of removing accounts that have not been > > accessed in any way within the last 6 months (deleted about 120 the > > other > > day). We pay 3rd party host for email, and we give some away and take > > in > > about $1k/mo for hosted email. So cleaning up unused accounts for our > > "provided-free" domains saves us $$. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Josh Luthman" > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > > > > > > I see what you're getting at. I don't think the two tie together but > >
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
One thing that is saving us alot of time is dealing with delinquent accounts. Used to take about a couple hours each month to actually shut off CPEs for non-payment. Then each would have to call in, arrange for payment or make a credit card payment over the phone, bitch at the agent on the phone, etc. Now, with the combination of the Billing Server/BMU/Customer Portal, that activity has dropped to next-to-nothing. BMU redirects the "Delinquent" user's browser to a "delinquent" page and offers to connect them to the Customer Portal on the billing server. Customers can now re-activate themselves with their credit card, and don't have to go through the embarrassment of talking with someone at our office, and we don't have to deal with them either. And to boot, Powercode v9 now can automatically charge a "Reconnect Fee" to turn service back on. With shutoffs happening more rapidly and automatically, people are getting used to it and paying us more regularly. The usual suspects that seem to always be late are learning, too. It used to be that we could turn them back on until their "check came in the mail". Now we say, "I'm sorry, the system won't let you back on until I clear the late portion of the account". That's kinda true, too, because you can manually change the customer's status from "Delinquent" to "Active", and it will let them back on. Until 3am the next morning when the routine hits again to change the account BACK to "Delinquent". Poof! This "having to deal MORE with the people who AREN'T paying on time" used to really irk me. Now, with this system in place, I make about $250/mo from reconnect fees. Hardly have to deal with them at all, and money is coming in much more efficiently. BTW... Higher-end business clients have a HUGE grace period before they turn to "Delinquent". Didn't want those guys getting shut off just because the A/P clerk took a few days off and got behind on paying the bill! - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties Not sure if it deletes the account. I doubt it and hope it doesn't, though. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > OK, but at least, if the account was actually CREATED in Powercode, it is > accounted for in the billing program and cleaned up (removed) when the > account is set to "Not Active"? > > That's a huge step in the right direction for cleaning up email accounts. > > Since there's no cross-reference now, I have no way of knowing who owns > hundreds of our email addresses. You get people putting in email accounts > without a first & last name that identifies the Powercode customer, and > email addresses like just2d...@whatever.com. > > Currently, I just have a policy of removing accounts that have not been > accessed in any way within the last 6 months (deleted about 120 the other > day). We pay 3rd party host for email, and we give some away and take in > about $1k/mo for hosted email. So cleaning up unused accounts for our > "provided-free" domains saves us $$. > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:46 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > > > I see what you're getting at. I don't think the two tie together but > I've not looked at it that way. I made sure the account existed, > that's all. We don't chargew for email. > > On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> Does it actually count up the number of email addresses you have and put >> those on a billing line item, or account for them as part of a package? >> >> For instance... Customer is given 5 email addresses as a monthly service >> within their package called "Wireless Internet Service". Then we sell >> them >> 10 more "Email accounts" for a total of 15... Does Powercode bill from >> those >> email addresses? Are the actual email addresses tied to the "Package" or >> "Monthly Service"? Or are they just managed? >> >> Do my questions make sense to you? >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Josh Luthman" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties >> >> >> That one VERY SMALL and ANNOYING bit...perfect. >> >> Email address is managed inside an account so you know wh
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
OK, but at least, if the account was actually CREATED in Powercode, it is accounted for in the billing program and cleaned up (removed) when the account is set to "Not Active"? That's a huge step in the right direction for cleaning up email accounts. Since there's no cross-reference now, I have no way of knowing who owns hundreds of our email addresses. You get people putting in email accounts without a first & last name that identifies the Powercode customer, and email addresses like just2d...@whatever.com. Currently, I just have a policy of removing accounts that have not been accessed in any way within the last 6 months (deleted about 120 the other day). We pay 3rd party host for email, and we give some away and take in about $1k/mo for hosted email. So cleaning up unused accounts for our "provided-free" domains saves us $$. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties I see what you're getting at. I don't think the two tie together but I've not looked at it that way. I made sure the account existed, that's all. We don't chargew for email. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > Does it actually count up the number of email addresses you have and put > those on a billing line item, or account for them as part of a package? > > For instance... Customer is given 5 email addresses as a monthly service > within their package called "Wireless Internet Service". Then we sell > them > 10 more "Email accounts" for a total of 15... Does Powercode bill from > those > email addresses? Are the actual email addresses tied to the "Package" or > "Monthly Service"? Or are they just managed? > > Do my questions make sense to you? > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > > > That one VERY SMALL and ANNOYING bit...perfect. > > Email address is managed inside an account so you know who's it is > (you can look an account up by it for example). Simply fill out the > form and his submit. You can change their password for them if they > forget it, too. > > On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> Hey, I'm not using email integration. >> >> How's that working for you (the "changepassword on log in to new Gmail >> accounts" issue aside)? >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Josh Luthman" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties >> >> >> I agree it's overall positive but for the life of me I can't get them >> to add changepassword on log in to new Gmail accounts. >> >> Such a tiny thing and I keep mentioning it, but it's the "I'll have to >> ask __" who has to ask someone else. >> >> On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> It's been love-hate. >>> >>> We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and >>> scheduling, >>> tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work >>> as >>> the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into >>> place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech >>> support >>> to >>> help us when we had a problem with it. >>> >>> Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the >>> tide >>> has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We >>> like >>> better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their >>> version >>> 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we >>> wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so >>> that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer >>> with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or >>> break" >>> with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe >>> necessary). >>> >>> Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our >>> problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they >>> used >>> to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact,
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
Does it actually count up the number of email addresses you have and put those on a billing line item, or account for them as part of a package? For instance... Customer is given 5 email addresses as a monthly service within their package called "Wireless Internet Service". Then we sell them 10 more "Email accounts" for a total of 15... Does Powercode bill from those email addresses? Are the actual email addresses tied to the "Package" or "Monthly Service"? Or are they just managed? Do my questions make sense to you? - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties That one VERY SMALL and ANNOYING bit...perfect. Email address is managed inside an account so you know who's it is (you can look an account up by it for example). Simply fill out the form and his submit. You can change their password for them if they forget it, too. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > Hey, I'm not using email integration. > > How's that working for you (the "changepassword on log in to new Gmail > accounts" issue aside)? > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > > > I agree it's overall positive but for the life of me I can't get them > to add changepassword on log in to new Gmail accounts. > > Such a tiny thing and I keep mentioning it, but it's the "I'll have to > ask __" who has to ask someone else. > > On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> It's been love-hate. >> >> We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and >> scheduling, >> tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work >> as >> the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into >> place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech support >> to >> help us when we had a problem with it. >> >> Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the tide >> has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We >> like >> better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their >> version >> 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we >> wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so >> that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer >> with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or >> break" >> with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe >> necessary). >> >> Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our >> problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they >> used >> to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact, >> the >> other day, I requested a new feature...seemed like a simple one but most >> times feature requests fall on deaf ears. Powercode has built-in >> troubleshooting utilities like ping-flood (web-interfaced billing server >> initiates the command and the BMU runs it and reports back the results to >> the billing server then back to your web browser). Well, I wanted those >> results to be logged in the customer account (PC has EXTENSIVE logging). >> A >> week later, that feature was released on an update. Now, whenever any >> customer service agent runs a troubleshooting utility in Powercode, it is >> logged on the customer account and stored forever. So, we immediately >> began >> having our installers running their tests from within Powercode before >> they >> leave the install. Now we have 3 tests logged for initial performance of >> the connection. Anyway... pretty good turn-around on my request. >> >> I was at a turning point a few months ago, sending out an email to >> everyone >> to begin searching for a new OSS because we weren't 100% on our features. >> Being 100% on features, I felt, will save us about .5 FTE. If we aren't >> there, and are paying the high price of v9 Powercode...not worth it. >> >> They're working with us and I hope to be 100% in a week or so. Their new >> pricing has good economy of scale, too...affordable from day >> one...expensive >> in numbers but advanced features will save you people time at this point. >> >> All-in-all, sti
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
Hey, I'm not using email integration. How's that working for you (the "changepassword on log in to new Gmail accounts" issue aside)? - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties I agree it's overall positive but for the life of me I can't get them to add changepassword on log in to new Gmail accounts. Such a tiny thing and I keep mentioning it, but it's the "I'll have to ask __" who has to ask someone else. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > It's been love-hate. > > We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and > scheduling, > tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work as > the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into > place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech support > to > help us when we had a problem with it. > > Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the tide > has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We > like > better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their > version > 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we > wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so > that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer > with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or > break" > with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe > necessary). > > Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our > problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they used > to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact, > the > other day, I requested a new feature...seemed like a simple one but most > times feature requests fall on deaf ears. Powercode has built-in > troubleshooting utilities like ping-flood (web-interfaced billing server > initiates the command and the BMU runs it and reports back the results to > the billing server then back to your web browser). Well, I wanted those > results to be logged in the customer account (PC has EXTENSIVE logging). > A > week later, that feature was released on an update. Now, whenever any > customer service agent runs a troubleshooting utility in Powercode, it is > logged on the customer account and stored forever. So, we immediately > began > having our installers running their tests from within Powercode before > they > leave the install. Now we have 3 tests logged for initial performance of > the connection. Anyway... pretty good turn-around on my request. > > I was at a turning point a few months ago, sending out an email to > everyone > to begin searching for a new OSS because we weren't 100% on our features. > Being 100% on features, I felt, will save us about .5 FTE. If we aren't > there, and are paying the high price of v9 Powercode...not worth it. > > They're working with us and I hope to be 100% in a week or so. Their new > pricing has good economy of scale, too...affordable from day > one...expensive > in numbers but advanced features will save you people time at this point. > > All-in-all, still I think it has been a positive adventure with Powercode. > I'm glad the product has a better managed company behind it now. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Dueck" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > > >> How is your experience with Powercode? I once considered putting in >> Powercode, but it looked to be a little used product, so decided against >> it. >> >> On 04/30/2010 10:24 AM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and >>> when >>> the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, >>> like >>> 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and >>> check >>> their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from >>> their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly >>> usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. >>> >>> Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not >>> 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and >>> tracking >>> has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them &
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
I just realized that I may have left the impression that we never implemented the BMU (though you COULD have figured it out in the details of my previous post). In fact, we ARE now using the Powercode BMU, and it's working well. For our concerns about all of our traffic going through it, we inserted a work-around that would let us bypass the BMU (route around it) if it became problematic, or if we need to reboot it/maintain it. It is the part that is not 100% right now. It doesn't fully support remote subnets, like if we have a customer who has a /29 or whatever subnet on the LAN side of their CPE. They technically have more than 1 IP to track for OVERALL bandwidth usage. It doesn't fully support this with reporting and bandwidth limiting. Most of our customers have only 1 IP address, though, so it's not a large problem. However, the problem tends to be with larger clients. We have a non-Powercode solution in place as a stop-gap measure right now, until the problem is fixed. - Original Message ----- From: "Mark Nash - Lists" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:28 PM Subject: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > It's been love-hate. > > We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and > scheduling, > tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work as > the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into > place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech support > to > help us when we had a problem with it. > > Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the tide > has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We > like > better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their > version > 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we > wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so > that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer > with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or > break" > with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe > necessary). > > Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our > problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they used > to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact, > the > other day, I requested a new feature...seemed like a simple one but most > times feature requests fall on deaf ears. Powercode has built-in > troubleshooting utilities like ping-flood (web-interfaced billing server > initiates the command and the BMU runs it and reports back the results to > the billing server then back to your web browser). Well, I wanted those > results to be logged in the customer account (PC has EXTENSIVE logging). > A > week later, that feature was released on an update. Now, whenever any > customer service agent runs a troubleshooting utility in Powercode, it is > logged on the customer account and stored forever. So, we immediately > began > having our installers running their tests from within Powercode before > they > leave the install. Now we have 3 tests logged for initial performance of > the connection. Anyway... pretty good turn-around on my request. > > I was at a turning point a few months ago, sending out an email to > everyone > to begin searching for a new OSS because we weren't 100% on our features. > Being 100% on features, I felt, will save us about .5 FTE. If we aren't > there, and are paying the high price of v9 Powercode...not worth it. > > They're working with us and I hope to be 100% in a week or so. Their new > pricing has good economy of scale, too...affordable from day > one...expensive > in numbers but advanced features will save you people time at this point. > > All-in-all, still I think it has been a positive adventure with Powercode. > I'm glad the product has a better managed company behind it now. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Dueck" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > > >> How is your experience with Powercode? I once considered putting in >> Powercode, but it looked to be a little used product, so decided against >> it. >> >> On 04/30/2010 10:24 AM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and >>> when >>> the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, >>> like >>> 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature
[WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
It's been love-hate. We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and scheduling, tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work as the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech support to help us when we had a problem with it. Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the tide has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We like better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their version 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or break" with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe necessary). Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they used to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact, the other day, I requested a new feature...seemed like a simple one but most times feature requests fall on deaf ears. Powercode has built-in troubleshooting utilities like ping-flood (web-interfaced billing server initiates the command and the BMU runs it and reports back the results to the billing server then back to your web browser). Well, I wanted those results to be logged in the customer account (PC has EXTENSIVE logging). A week later, that feature was released on an update. Now, whenever any customer service agent runs a troubleshooting utility in Powercode, it is logged on the customer account and stored forever. So, we immediately began having our installers running their tests from within Powercode before they leave the install. Now we have 3 tests logged for initial performance of the connection. Anyway... pretty good turn-around on my request. I was at a turning point a few months ago, sending out an email to everyone to begin searching for a new OSS because we weren't 100% on our features. Being 100% on features, I felt, will save us about .5 FTE. If we aren't there, and are paying the high price of v9 Powercode...not worth it. They're working with us and I hope to be 100% in a week or so. Their new pricing has good economy of scale, too...affordable from day one...expensive in numbers but advanced features will save you people time at this point. All-in-all, still I think it has been a positive adventure with Powercode. I'm glad the product has a better managed company behind it now. - Original Message - From: "Mark Dueck" To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > How is your experience with Powercode? I once considered putting in > Powercode, but it looked to be a little used product, so decided against > it. > > On 04/30/2010 10:24 AM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and >> when >> the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, like >> 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and >> check >> their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from >> their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly >> usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. >> >> Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not >> 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and tracking >> has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them >> appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional >> revenue >> as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly limits. >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
Just downloaded the usage report into Excel... About 1/3 of our users go 5gigs & above. It goes sharply up after that. The Powercode report shows upload usage, download usage, total usage, and upload-to-download ratio. You can usually catch the virus users or p2p-ers by checking the upload-to-download ratio. We sell 1 to 3 meg burstable connections as our primary product, both business and residential versions (higher price, priority support, etc) Beyond 3 megs, everything is custom and is generally $100/meg burstable, $200/meg dedicated. This pricing allows us to account for those really high-end need users who need the bandwidth and can't accept being limited. - Original Message - From: "Paul Gerstenberger" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > This isn't totally accurate as it's a monthly report and some users have > been converted mid-month, but the average download I'm seeing is 5.7Gb. > Our heaviest user did 105GB, and one recent conversion is on track to hit > 200GB if the last weeks trend continues! About two thirds exceeded 10GB. > > I think most of those > 10GB are running netflix. > > -Paul > > On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> Our average customer does about 4 gigs per month. That's average, >> including >> servers and high end business customers. Someday I'll count the >> businesses >> different from the residential :-). >> >> We give 10 gigs per month and charge $5 per gig for overages. >> >> We've lost a few customers due to this, but nearly all of them want to >> run >> file sharing servers and/or run netflix. In short, the ones we're >> loosing >> cost more than they are paying us. >> >> The good news is that the other 95% of the customer base get GREAT >> service >> at a reasonable price and are very happy. >> >> We also catch a LOT of infected machines or open wifi routers this way. >> Most customers appreciate that we're watching out for them. >> >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Paul Gerstenberger" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:06 AM >> Subject: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties >> >> >>> We have about 15% of our existing subscribers running PPPoE through >>> Mikrotik now, using the User Manager package. I'm astounded by the usage >>> I'm seeing from some accounts. We do cite "acceptable use" in our terms >>> of >>> service, but we've rarely enforced it. I'm curious what approach other >>> WISPs take: how you determine your own acceptable use thresholds and >>> what >>> penalties or deterrents are used. >>> >>> -Paul >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
Didn't forget those. Man do I know about those costs... I don't sign the checks anymore as I've delegated that, but I know they're there. Just didn't say them. We have about a $10-$12k cost per month for growth (dedicated installers, trucks, fuel, sales commissions, marketing, new equipment, expansion sites, etc). If we stopped growing, I could literally pocket 63% this money today (estimated tax payments). But we are growing, so it costs...but I've "sectioned" those costs away as "growth" costs. Everything else...every other expense...monthly & annual...from "building rent" to "replacing the microwave in the kitchen when it goes bad" gets packaged into the "cost to deliver bandwidth" category. - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > You forgot some things in your number crunching Matt. > > Insurance. > > Electricity. > > Labor. > > Head end hardware. > > etc. etc. etc. > > You have to run the calcs on how much you can give your customer based on > the ENTIRE cost per customer. Not just the cost per gig. > > Out here each customer costs us about $10 in office overhead, $10 in > infrastructure and $10 in upstream/server costs. I keep about $5 per sub, > maybe a bit more these days, we've about doubled since I ran those > numbers. > > So you can REALLY only "afford" to give the customer $5 to $10 more than > the > average user or else you are actually loosing money, overall, on the sub. > > That make sense? > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Nash - Lists" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > > >> We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and >> when >> the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, like >> 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and >> check >> their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from >> their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly >> usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. >> >> Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not >> 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and tracking >> has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them >> appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional >> revenue >> as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly limits. >> >> Business clients, at this time, are handled differently. We don't >> currently >> have bandwidth limits on them. May in the future. Generally, though... >> abusers are home users. >> >> Keep in mind that our niche is rural, not competing "in town" very much. >> We >> have higher bandwidth packages with higher usage thresholds. >> >> I asked for a refresher about how we determined what our thresholds >> should >> be from our network engineer this morning. This is his response. In >> looking at it, figure that we are actually paying $45 per megabit, not >> $200. >> The $200 per megabit figure comes in with the cost of doing business >> (personnel, backhauls, maintenance, etc, and is an estimate of actual >> cost >> on what it takes to DELIVER bandwidth to a customer, not just PAY for >> bandwidth ourselves). >> >> Justin's response: >> ** >> If you remember, the way I did it was this. I asked you to come up with >> a raw figure, in dollars/month, that our bandwidth costs us - i.e. the >> price point at which you could sell bandwidth wholesale and guarantee >> that we would still make a profit, even if it was fully saturated 24 >> hours a day (excluding factors such as backhaul saturation). You gave me >> a figure of about $200 per megabit. >> >> I fully doubled that to $400 per megabit, and started from there. I took >> the amount of maximum theoretical bandwidth a 1.5Mb customer could >> consume in a given month, if they were somehow able to use it for 24 >> hours straight. I did the same for our base rate of 1Mbp/s @ $400. I >> then compared the "difference" in value, and chose a MB figure that was >> at about 50% of what our actual "cost" would be as the maximum amount of >> bandwidth allowed. >> >> Example. A &
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and when the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, like 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and check their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and tracking has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional revenue as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly limits. Business clients, at this time, are handled differently. We don't currently have bandwidth limits on them. May in the future. Generally, though... abusers are home users. Keep in mind that our niche is rural, not competing "in town" very much. We have higher bandwidth packages with higher usage thresholds. I asked for a refresher about how we determined what our thresholds should be from our network engineer this morning. This is his response. In looking at it, figure that we are actually paying $45 per megabit, not $200. The $200 per megabit figure comes in with the cost of doing business (personnel, backhauls, maintenance, etc, and is an estimate of actual cost on what it takes to DELIVER bandwidth to a customer, not just PAY for bandwidth ourselves). Justin's response: ** If you remember, the way I did it was this. I asked you to come up with a raw figure, in dollars/month, that our bandwidth costs us - i.e. the price point at which you could sell bandwidth wholesale and guarantee that we would still make a profit, even if it was fully saturated 24 hours a day (excluding factors such as backhaul saturation). You gave me a figure of about $200 per megabit. I fully doubled that to $400 per megabit, and started from there. I took the amount of maximum theoretical bandwidth a 1.5Mb customer could consume in a given month, if they were somehow able to use it for 24 hours straight. I did the same for our base rate of 1Mbp/s @ $400. I then compared the "difference" in value, and chose a MB figure that was at about 50% of what our actual "cost" would be as the maximum amount of bandwidth allowed. Example. A "$400/m" 1Mbps customer "resold" could theoretically consume 10.8GB/day or about 330GB/month A $49/m 1.5Mbps customer could theoretically consume 16.2GB/day or 494GB/month I then determined what the equivalent maximum amount of bandwidth we would be reselling a normal customer to if they were paying only $49 per month, which is a lot easier - you just take our profit figure of $400/m and divide it by $49 to get roughly 4, so 1/4th of 1.5Mbps which is just about 384kbps. Then I determined what is the maximum amount of bandwidth a 384kbps customer could consume. You get about 1.44Gb per day, or about 44GB/month. I knocked off a further 10% to give us a nice round ceiling, producing a final figure of 40GB/month for a 1.5Mbps customer as the maximum bandwidth they could be allowed to consume before they started hitting the falling point of the curve for bandwidth cost. Because I initially doubled our $200 cost to say that bandwidth, per megabit, costs us $400/m, we're comfortably padded. ** - Original Message - From: "Paul Gerstenberger" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > We have about 15% of our existing subscribers running PPPoE through > Mikrotik now, using the User Manager package. I'm astounded by the usage > I'm seeing from some accounts. We do cite "acceptable use" in our terms of > service, but we've rarely enforced it. I'm curious what approach other > WISPs take: how you determine your own acceptable use thresholds and what > penalties or deterrents are used. > > -Paul > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules
Please do quit, Mark. - Original Message - From: "MDK" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules > http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped-into-health-bill/ > > It requires 1099's for EVERY entity you do more than $600 business with a > year. > > Gas station. Walmart, your landlord, a $700 used car or truck.Ebay > purchases, ALL require 1099's now if you go over $600 a year. > > That's almost enough for me to throw up my hands and say "I quit". > > Frankly, we should all just quit. For a week. Or a month.Call up > the > White House and say "you want it so bad, well now you got it, we quit". > When about 50 million of us do that, perhaps the administration will > realize > it should consult someone besides insane marxists as it concerns business > and economics. > > > > > ++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free enterprise,sure, when pigs fly
Looking at the words, you're correct. Perhaps I'm going more off of prior feelings of prior posts. Sorry for that. If you've been a WISPA member for years like I have, you know Mark Koskenmaki's anti-government views. You've heard the over & over & over & over & over & over. So yes a little sick of them, I am... Hence the quick response from me. Sorry for doing that this time, Mark. - Original Message - From: "RickG" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free enterprise,sure, when pigs fly >I only saw facts & opinion, nothing radical. So, I guess you need to > define "radical". > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Mark Nash - Lists > wrote: >> Give the facts, give the opinion, leave the radical commentary for the >> other >> lists for people who share your views and want to hear it. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free enterprise,sure, when pigs fly >> >> >> It does apply here. >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Mark Nash - Lists >> wrote: >>> Mark I told you years ago to go create your own anti-government rant >>> email >>> list. Still bothering this list, I see... >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "MDK" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:11 AM >>> Subject: [WISPA] Free enterprise,sure, when pigs fly >>> >>> >>>> http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2010/04/20/googles-former-lobbyist-in-the-white-house-still-lobbying-for-google/ >>>> >>>> This is why so many of us say anymore "Just don't let the federal >>>> government >>>> do anything" that way there's no incentive to corrupt it. >>>> >>>> The more it controls, the more it spends, the more incentive for >>>> corruption, >>>> the more opportunity, the more it happens. >>>> >>>> Who else is advocating for whom, that would affect us? >>>> >>>> >>>> ++ >>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>> ++ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free enterprise,sure, when pigs fly
Give the facts, give the opinion, leave the radical commentary for the other lists for people who share your views and want to hear it. - Original Message - From: "RickG" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free enterprise,sure, when pigs fly It does apply here. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > Mark I told you years ago to go create your own anti-government rant email > list. Still bothering this list, I see... > > - Original Message - > From: "MDK" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:11 AM > Subject: [WISPA] Free enterprise,sure, when pigs fly > > >> http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2010/04/20/googles-former-lobbyist-in-the-white-house-still-lobbying-for-google/ >> >> This is why so many of us say anymore "Just don't let the federal >> government >> do anything" that way there's no incentive to corrupt it. >> >> The more it controls, the more it spends, the more incentive for >> corruption, >> the more opportunity, the more it happens. >> >> Who else is advocating for whom, that would affect us? >> >> >> ++ >> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >> ++ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free enterprise,sure, when pigs fly
Mark I told you years ago to go create your own anti-government rant email list. Still bothering this list, I see... - Original Message - From: "MDK" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Free enterprise,sure, when pigs fly > http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2010/04/20/googles-former-lobbyist-in-the-white-house-still-lobbying-for-google/ > > This is why so many of us say anymore "Just don't let the federal > government > do anything" that way there's no incentive to corrupt it. > > The more it controls, the more it spends, the more incentive for > corruption, > the more opportunity, the more it happens. > > Who else is advocating for whom, that would affect us? > > > ++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
Eric, how many clients / tower sites / APs are you serving this way? Do you expect it to scale to double/triple your size now? - Original Message - From: "Eric Muehleisen" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use > We are primarily a PPPoE shop and run a bridged system for that reason. > Each AP has it's own VLAN bridged back to the core. We've done this for > many years without a single issue. > > We have different service offerings like VOIP, PPPoE, DHCP, PTPVPN and > even extend our metro ethernet across our wireless network. VLAN's work > great for this. > > -Eric > > On 4/14/2010 1:01 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> I didn't mean to sound short or rude with this last message. I mean no >> disrespect. I've been networking for 25 years... Novell servers, MS, IP >> networks, blah blah blah. >> >> It's just that I expected this response, but I want to INVITE other >> opinions. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mark Nash - Lists" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use >> >> >> >>> Opinion #1. >>> >>> Anybody with large bridged systems? >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use >>> >>> >>> >>>> . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . >>>> >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>>> Faisal >>>> >>>> On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>>> >>>>> Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... >>>>> >>>>> Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic >>>>> isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. >>>>> >>>>> However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging >>>>> with >>>>> VLANs to do traffic isolation. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? >>>>> >>>>> I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
I didn't mean to sound short or rude with this last message. I mean no disrespect. I've been networking for 25 years... Novell servers, MS, IP networks, blah blah blah. It's just that I expected this response, but I want to INVITE other opinions. - Original Message ----- From: "Mark Nash - Lists" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use > Opinion #1. > > Anybody with large bridged systems? > > - Original Message - > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use > > >> . Route from Day One..... why pickup bad habits bridging . >> >> >> :) >> >> Faisal >> >> On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... >>> >>> Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic >>> isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. >>> >>> Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. >>> >>> However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging >>> with >>> VLANs to do traffic isolation. >>> >>> Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? >>> >>> I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: "Faisal Imtiaz" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use > . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . > > > :) > > Faisal > > On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... >> >> Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic >> isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. >> >> Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. >> >> However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging >> with >> VLANs to do traffic isolation. >> >> Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? >> >> I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar power
David... Any news on this potential sub-$1k solar system? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "David Weddell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Solar power We are testing a solar solution right now and will get back with you on the results. It will be sub $1,000 if the testing goes well. I will report it to the list when we get the full results. Regards, David Weddell Director of Sales 260 827 2551 Office 800 363 4881 Ext 2551 260 273 7547 Cell www.onlyinternet.net www.oibw.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar power I appreciate the info, but for what I need, $5000 isn't even close to being worth it. This is for ONE AP (Deliberant 7000). I was thinking if I could stay in the $500 range it might be OK, but anything more than that would not make sense for me in THIS case. In other instances it might, but not this one. Thanks for this though. I'll keep it in case I run into an instance where I do need something like this. Great info! - Original Message - From: "Alan Cain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar power I have some - the typical shopping list is like this: Kyocera solar panels - 4 kc130-k, at approx. 680.00 each - gives me 14 volts at 14 amps on a good day (to charge batteries) Mounting hardware - varies 100-200 wiring harnesses between panels - 50.00 wiring harness to charge controller (below) 20 Trojan l16H batteries - 2 to 4, at 270 each (+/-) wiring interconnects - Series to 12 volts, parallel from there 30.00 fuses and cutoff switch between batteries and everything else 40.00 fuses and cutoff switch between panels and everything else 40.00 charge controller - I have used shell 20's (120.00 with enclosure) successfully, though they are a bit low rated for the solar load - I have gone to Xantrex charge controllers with cute lights and battery temperature sensors (twice as much - 245 plus 29) voltage regulator (90.00) for 12 v to 18 v boost (range 6 v to 24 v) timer 50.00 (sometimes I set them up to be off from 1 am to 5 am, to save power during the gray, foggy period coming up)(December 1 to February 1) - that's why 4 batteries, too. It is better to add batteries than panels for the most part (see Kyocera panels above) and auto tilting mounts don't give us that much advantage up here above 45degrees north - just a few percent. In the southern lands, I'd give them a try. Enclosure for the stuff - varies, depending on whether I find a sweet box or build a little hut. ($ whatever) Grounding stuff. - rods, #2 copper wire, wire lugs, clamps. 100.00 About 5000.00 for a decent power setup for me. I am using Tranzeo radios, at 18 volts. Very Christmas-like, with the flickering lights on top of the tower... I have a generator handy for charging on really bad stretches - a Honda 2000i, for about 900.00, with a SERIOUS cable lock. And if the lousy communists/free spending democrats/stinking republican fascists/religious true believing kooks/screwed up militarists/nasty bird flu ridden ducks/global frying eco-terrorists/flaming radical libertarians make everything bad, I can harvest my stuff to power my house (WOO HOO!!) H maybe I should go take a look. I Am Armed. And carry sharp Multimeter probes. And, it's fun - bragging rights, ya know. I'll send you drawings if you want (on my time schedule - I am in the middle of an assembly right now :} ) There are several good supply houses for the parts, and most of them are Very Helpful. I'd tell you who I use, but that would be Bad Form. www.bigdam.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 11/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 11/17/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Quick-Connect PoE at CPE
Used one of these quick-connect pigtails today on a Tranzeo installation. Had to bore the hole out on the waterproof boot to 7/8" (I expected this), and it worked like a charm. A nice, unexpected bonus is that the cable on this pigtail is less stiff than the outdoor cable I use, so it bends, stuffs into the boot and slips into the RJ45 jack on the CPE much better than the other cable. On the down-side of this install, I left my tool belt somewhere prior to this afternoon and had to get by with other tools in the truck. Slow-going when you have to work out of your element. :( Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick-Connect PoE at CPE Pac Wireless makes them: http://pacwireless.com/products/RJ45-ECS.shtml Mark Nash wrote: George, awhile back I got from you a cat5 pigtail that had a quick-connect fitting on it. I think I can use these for my Tranzeo CPEs if I bore out the hole in the boot of the CPE. This could speed up installs & some troubleshooting as well, as we can disconnect the customer's PoE cable and plug into it directly from the inverter in my truck without taking off the boot and risking water problems. How to you obtain these? and do you put on the pigtail portion of it or do they come terminated? What are others doing for this? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
ok, we're close... Help me out. I'm not familiar with your grid antennas at all, and therefore not familiar with your mounts, and I'm sure that others aren't as well. You mentioned: > 5600687 - L-Bracket Only > 5200223 - Wire Grid Bracket kit > 5200224 - Die Cast Bracket kit So what we will need if we have a grid dish is a 5600687 and a 5200223, or do we need all 3 parts to make the HD mount work? Thanks for your patience... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Marketing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion > The L-Bracket is the main difference. The hardware included in the kit is > also a bit different due to the fact that the L-Bracket is tapped. > > Thanks, > Ben Moore > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:22 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion > > Thanks...to confirm... > > It sounds like the only thing that is different is the L-Bracket to make it > the HDGD5X-XX? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > - Original Message - > From: "Marketing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:47 AM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion > > > > Hello Mark, > > > > Yes, the new model will work fine with the stock that distributors have on > > hand or parts that have been shipped in the past. > > > > The parts can be purchased separately. Part #'s are as follows: > > > > 5600687 - L-Bracket Only > > 5200223 - Wire Grid Bracket kit > > 5200224 - Die Cast Bracket kit > > > > Regards, > > Ben Moore > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:45 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion > > > > Ben, > > > > A) Will these fit the models that the resellers have in stock now? > > B) If so, can we order mounts separately? > > > > Mark Nash > > Network Engineer > > UnwiredOnline.Net > > 350 Holly Street > > Junction City, OR 97448 > > http://www.uwol.net > > 541-998- > > 541-998-5599 fax > > - Original Message - > > From: "Marketing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'WISPA General List'" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:32 AM > > Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion > > > > > > > Hello Tim, > > > > > > When purchasing the grids the next time, select the HDGD58-29 antennas. > > > These come with a new L-Bracket that attaches to the reflector in 4 > > > locations. The L-Bracket is also tapped for easy installation. This > can > > > be > > > seen on page 2 of the spec sheet: > > > > > > http://pacwireless.com/products/GD58_Data_Sheet.pdf > > > > > > If needed, these new L-Brackets will accommodate a 4" U-Bolt (U-Bolts > not > > > provided). > > > > > > Drop me your address and we can send you a sample of the L-bracket. > > > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Ben Moore > > > Sales Manager > > > Pacific Wireless > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of Tim Kerns > > > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:48 PM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion > > > > > > Mac, > > > Have PacWireless made any changes to the mount on the 29db grids... I > have > > > > > 4 > > > > > > in use and the mount isn't very solid. The grid deflects a lot in the > > > wind. > > > I can watch the signal go up and down as it moves. > > > Tim Kerns > > > CV
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
Thanks...to confirm... It sounds like the only thing that is different is the L-Bracket to make it the HDGD5X-XX? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Marketing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion > Hello Mark, > > Yes, the new model will work fine with the stock that distributors have on > hand or parts that have been shipped in the past. > > The parts can be purchased separately. Part #'s are as follows: > > 5600687 - L-Bracket Only > 5200223 - Wire Grid Bracket kit > 5200224 - Die Cast Bracket kit > > Regards, > Ben Moore > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:45 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion > > Ben, > > A) Will these fit the models that the resellers have in stock now? > B) If so, can we order mounts separately? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > - Original Message - > From: "Marketing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:32 AM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion > > > > Hello Tim, > > > > When purchasing the grids the next time, select the HDGD58-29 antennas. > > These come with a new L-Bracket that attaches to the reflector in 4 > > locations. The L-Bracket is also tapped for easy installation. This can > > be > > seen on page 2 of the spec sheet: > > > > http://pacwireless.com/products/GD58_Data_Sheet.pdf > > > > If needed, these new L-Brackets will accommodate a 4" U-Bolt (U-Bolts not > > provided). > > > > Drop me your address and we can send you a sample of the L-bracket. > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. > > > > Regards, > > Ben Moore > > Sales Manager > > Pacific Wireless > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Tim Kerns > > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:48 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion > > > > Mac, > > Have PacWireless made any changes to the mount on the 29db grids... I have > > > 4 > > > > in use and the mount isn't very solid. The grid deflects a lot in the > > wind. > > I can watch the signal go up and down as it moves. > > Tim Kerns > > CV-Access, Inc. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'WISPA General List'" > > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM > > Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion > > > > > >>I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or a > >> roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much > >> less > >> expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the > >> ease > >> of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer > >> unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish. > >> > >> Mac Dearman > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > >> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion > >> > >> Are we preferring their grids to dishes? > >> > >> Mark Nash > >> Network Engineer > >> UnwiredOnline.Net > >> 350 Holly Street > >> Junction City, OR 97448 > >> http://www.uwol.net > >> 541-998-5555 > >> 541-998-5599 fax > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "'WISPA General List'" > >> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM > >> Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion > >> > >> > >>> Mark, > >>>
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
Ben, A) Will these fit the models that the resellers have in stock now? B) If so, can we order mounts separately? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Marketing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Hello Tim, When purchasing the grids the next time, select the HDGD58-29 antennas. These come with a new L-Bracket that attaches to the reflector in 4 locations. The L-Bracket is also tapped for easy installation. This can be seen on page 2 of the spec sheet: http://pacwireless.com/products/GD58_Data_Sheet.pdf If needed, these new L-Brackets will accommodate a 4" U-Bolt (U-Bolts not provided). Drop me your address and we can send you a sample of the L-bracket. Let me know if you have any questions. Regards, Ben Moore Sales Manager Pacific Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kerns Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mac, Have PacWireless made any changes to the mount on the 29db grids... I have 4 in use and the mount isn't very solid. The grid deflects a lot in the wind. I can watch the signal go up and down as it moves. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or a roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much less expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the ease of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Are we preferring their grids to dishes? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mark, I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi grids, MT & CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I have built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango dual polarity ext's. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5 GHz antennas and what to choose. Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul with a CM9. Currently, I've got two applications: 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over. 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over. What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these... Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be adjusted. Experience? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipe
Re: [WISPA] Cool ideas for RouterOS....
This puts an extra line on the list for each customer, right? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cool ideas for RouterOS.... On Sat, 30 Dec 2006, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: How about the ability to place a customer name in the ACL for non-RouterOS CPEs? Like this? / interface wireless access-list add mac-address=00:11:F5:62:4E:F6 interface=wirelesshotspot \ authentication=yes forwarding=no \ comment="Butch Toshiba Laptop" disabled=no This comment shows up on the registration table, too. Anything beyond this is not something that the MT can do (or will do). -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cool ideas for RouterOS....
How about the ability to place a customer name in the ACL for non-RouterOS CPEs? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Wispa List" Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] Cool ideas for RouterOS I'd like to throw this out for the weekend. I want to gather some ideas for IMPLEMENTATIONS you'd like to see with existing RouterOS technology. I have a few that I can think of off the top of my head that I will try to get documented (some possibly for free - to be posted on my website). For example: 1. Automated virus detection - this application would need to be able to detect virus like activity (whatever that means) and automatically cause the offender - if they are on-net - to be disconnected except for the ability to visit http://housecall.antivirus.com and test to see if they have removed the virus(es) before allowing full access again. 2. Automatically build a list of valid SMTP servers based on servers that have been used to check email (I've done this one several times). This will prevent those viruses and spam trojans from getting your IP blacklisted if you NAT. 3. Queue mechanism that implements an automated fair access policy (similar to what some of the satellite companies do) - I have done something SIMILAR to this, but implementing this properly will take a bit more work. OK...So I've got you started...now step forth with your ideas (either implemented already or just a "wish-list") and let's come up with some really cool stuff! While we're at it, you can let me know what you think of the above ideas...are they worth the effort? -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
I'm assuming this is 5.8, not 5.3, right? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I have several 18 & 20 mile links using the MT RB532/SR5 w/Pacwireless Dish on one side and a 26dbi (was out of 29dbi) with complete success Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Thanks Mac and Travis... This does sound like a no-brainer. How about a 12-mile link with 5.3 or 5.8? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or a roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much less expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the ease of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Are we preferring their grids to dishes? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mark, I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi grids, MT & CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I have built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango dual polarity ext's. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5 GHz antennas and what to choose. Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul with a CM9. Currently, I've got two applications: 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over. 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over. What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these... Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be adjusted. Experience? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
Thanks Mac and Travis... This does sound like a no-brainer. How about a 12-mile link with 5.3 or 5.8? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or a roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much less expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the ease of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Are we preferring their grids to dishes? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mark, I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi grids, MT & CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I have built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango dual polarity ext's. Mac Dearman -----Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5 GHz antennas and what to choose. Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul with a CM9. Currently, I've got two applications: 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over. 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over. What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these... Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be adjusted. Experience? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
Are we preferring their grids to dishes? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mark, I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi grids, MT & CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I have built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango dual polarity ext's. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5 GHz antennas and what to choose. Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul with a CM9. Currently, I've got two applications: 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over. 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over. What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these... Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be adjusted. Experience? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5 GHz antennas and what to choose. Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul with a CM9. Currently, I've got two applications: 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over. 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over. What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these... Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be adjusted. Experience? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cool ideas for RouterOS....
Keep a list of 'discovered' DHCP servers and their mac addresses in a table. Usually, the LAN mac address of the consumer routers is one off from the WAN mac address, so we should be able to quickly identify who has plugged their router in backwards. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Wispa List" Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] Cool ideas for RouterOS I'd like to throw this out for the weekend. I want to gather some ideas for IMPLEMENTATIONS you'd like to see with existing RouterOS technology. I have a few that I can think of off the top of my head that I will try to get documented (some possibly for free - to be posted on my website). For example: 1. Automated virus detection - this application would need to be able to detect virus like activity (whatever that means) and automatically cause the offender - if they are on-net - to be disconnected except for the ability to visit http://housecall.antivirus.com and test to see if they have removed the virus(es) before allowing full access again. 2. Automatically build a list of valid SMTP servers based on servers that have been used to check email (I've done this one several times). This will prevent those viruses and spam trojans from getting your IP blacklisted if you NAT. 3. Queue mechanism that implements an automated fair access policy (similar to what some of the satellite companies do) - I have done something SIMILAR to this, but implementing this properly will take a bit more work. OK...So I've got you started...now step forth with your ideas (either implemented already or just a "wish-list") and let's come up with some really cool stuff! While we're at it, you can let me know what you think of the above ideas...are they worth the effort? -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Terabeam Turbocell - Flash to 802.11b
Yes, the clients. I've got many of the YDI/Terabeam EtherAnt-Turbo's, and many Karlnet RSU's. Please, tell all! ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Terabeam Turbocell - Flash to 802.11b I assume you are talking about the clients. It depends on what clients you have Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Anyone know if there is a way to flash Terabeam/Proxim EtherAnt-Turbo wireless units with 802.11b firmware? I've got about 70 of these on 2 sites that I'm wanting to move away from Turbocell and I don't want to replace them all at once. Thanks... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Terabeam Turbocell - Flash to 802.11b
Anyone know if there is a way to flash Terabeam/Proxim EtherAnt-Turbo wireless units with 802.11b firmware? I've got about 70 of these on 2 sites that I'm wanting to move away from Turbocell and I don't want to replace them all at once. Thanks... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TEST (please ignore)
Then you'll appreciate this: http://www.uwol.net/bday/videos/BigBottom-768.wmv That's me singing... twas a 40th birthday party for me and I invited all my musician friends to have a big jam session. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: [WISPA] TEST (please ignore) > I just twiddled a few knobs on the WISPA mail server. Specifically, I > turned it up to eleven. :) > > (Okay, so it was just routine OS updates, but the above version was > funnier. I'm just making sure nothing's broken.) > > David Smith > MVN.net > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DAY FROM HELL!!!
You guys totally one-upped me on these...so thanks for making me feel not so bad!!! ;) Still got one site without power...have a generator charging the UPS. When the generator runs out of fuel, the UPS (SNMP card) e-mails us to tell us it has about 20 hours on battery for us to get gas into the generator. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Forbes Mercy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:33 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] DAY FROM HELL!!! For us in little old Yakima we have a crumpled and twisted 50 foot tower that pulled the guy wire support concrete and all about 15 feet clean out of the ground while the tower was falling. It took six access points/antennas, of that we saved three of the radios and four of the antennas but it did hit the power line and the wait was two days for the power company. Do get back up we put in a wood pole and remounted all new equipment. We had the Canopy high end accounts back up in 4 hours and the rest of the 2.4 people up by days end. I had to go up about every 10 hours to change batteries until the power was back on. We have been blessed with good weather since the big storm so thank goodness for that. We measured 75 MPH gusts during the storm but of seven towers only had one crash and one with turned AP antennas. Then the customers with antennas that spun away from our tower started coming in. In all we have/are handling about 115 open tickets of which every staff member will be out in trucks Monday. I had to do Business Class customers all weekend since they have 24/7 response in their contract.One thing for sure using tripods or pole mounts are much better then some of the roof water pipe installs I found this week. Those always fail first. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DAY FROM HELL!!!
Wind storms came through last night. Power out at 6 sites this morning, various power companies. Started at 6 this morning...Put in 2 generators, purchased 8 marine batteries and patched them into my APC UPS units. 2 sites now still running on batteries, 2 on generators. Will be a late night I think... George, I would imagine you guys had it worse out there on the coast... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Can't get the attachment on the list... Offlist, maybe? URL, maybe? Thanks! Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Yeah...66 blocks or 110? Charles, if Brian doesn't want your cable, I may be interested...give him dibs, though... ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 > Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? > > Brian > > > >Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. > >Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! > > > >I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. > > > >Best, > > > >Brad > > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher > >Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM > >To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization > >Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 > > > >Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor > >cat5? > > > >I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. > >You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom > >and would only have run jumpers for new radios. > > > >Brian > >-- > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > >-- > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] more ip tracking upgrades
If your IP addy's aren't changing often you can use ntop to classify traffic for you. I use it to tell whether or not traffic is human-generated or if it's from a worm or p2p. http://www.ntop.org Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] more ip tracking upgrades > That might be interesting. In our case we don't mind (much) if that > happens. Naturally, it's totally against out TOS. However, we bill per > bit. If you want to share it with everyone around you, you just have to pay > for the privilege. And I don't get stuck with all of the tech support :-). > > One thing I wish I did have was something that would tell me what protocol > people were using most. I think that might help me spot the ptp junkies. > > I did ask him to add an average figure anywhere there was a total. Like > what's the average of all users? How about the top 25 users? etc. > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:55 AM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] more ip tracking upgrades > > > > now that's cool. > > > > See if Brandon can figure out the "how many hosts are behind that IP > > address" solution where you can then figure out who's reselling your > > service > > or just plain sharing it with everyone and their neighbor, at your > > expense. > > > > I've heard there's a set of bytes in the netflow headers that will tell > > you > > the mac address of the host behind the NAT box... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:38 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] more ip tracking upgrades > > > > Brandon has just made some changes on our tracking system. > > > > The biggest one is that we can now see top users per day. This will allow > > us to follow more of what's going on at night. Like yesterday, someone > > sent > > 3 gigs up to the net. They've got something on their machine that they > > are > > really not gonna want. > > > > Trying to pick that one customer out of all of the traffic that normally > > goes on was a real pain. With the new stuff it was a cake walk. > > > > radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrack > > > > laters, > > marlon > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] remote power
APC SU700NET with AP9617 SNMP management card. I have been pulling the internal batteries and hooking up external batteries to get extended runtime (went from 2 hours to 11 hours). You can reboot remotely and establish alerts. Web/telnet/SSH interfaces. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "chris cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] remote power Can anyone share what they use for remote power management/reboot devices? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HIPAA
If I'm reading this information correctly, it states that the care providers are responsible for encrypting and decrypting electronically transmitted information. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] HIPAA > A HIPAA consultant was at my luncheon yesterday. He pulled all this info > for you: > > pulled a couple things below as background as well as the actual > regulation. The one that pertains to this discussion is the last > paragraph below. There is no strict rule as to how to secure and in > actual fact, switched or dial-up networks are deemed more secure due to > the random nature of the connection. > > http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2003_register&docid=fr20fe03-4.pdf > > The HIPAA Security Rule establishes specific requirements for securing > all electronic protected health information (EPHI) -- while at rest (in > servers or storage) or in motion (in transmission, wireless or wired). > > ‘‘Transmission security (refers to)… electronic protected health > information is transmitted from one point to another, it must be > protected in a manner commensurate with the associated risk.” > > > § 164.312 Technical safeguards. > > A covered entity must, in accordance with § 164.306: > > (a)(1) Standard: Access control. Implement technical policies and > procedures for electronic information systems that maintain electronic > protected health information to allow access only to those persons or > software programs that have been granted access rights as specified in § > 164.308(a)(4). > > (2) Implementation specifications: (i) Unique user identification > (Required). Assign a unique name and/or number for identifying and > tracking user identity. (ii) Emergency access procedure (Required). > Establish (and implement as needed) procedures for obtaining necessary > electronic protected health information during an emergency. (iii) > Automatic logoff (Addressable). Implement electronic procedures that > terminate an electronic session after a predetermined time of > inactivity. (iv) Encryption and decryption (Addressable). Implement a > mechanism to encrypt and decrypt electronic protected health information. > > > (b) Standard: Audit controls. Implement hardware, software, and/or > procedural mechanisms that record and examine activity in information > systems that contain or use electronic protected health information. > > (c)(1) Standard: Integrity. Implement policies and procedures to protect > electronic protected health information from improper alteration or > destruction. (2) Implementation specification: Mechanism to authenticate > electronic protected health information (Addressable). Implement > electronic mechanisms to corroborate that electronic protected health > information has not been altered or destroyed in an unauthorized manner. > > (d) Standard: Person or entity authentication. Implement procedures to > verify that a person or entity seeking access to electronic protected > health information is the one claimed. > > (e)(1) Standard: Transmission security. Implement technical security > measures to guard against unauthorized access to electronic protected > health information that is being transmitted over an electronic > communications network. (2) Implementation specifications: (i) Integrity > controls (Addressable). Implement security measures to ensure that > electronically transmitted electronic protected health information is > not improperly modified without detection until disposed of. (ii) > Encryption (Addressable). Implement a mechanism to encrypt electronic > protected health information whenever deemed appropriate. > > > Daniel L. Ruggles > CISSP, CISM, CMC, IAM, PMP > > Principal > Liaison Technologies, LLC > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Security biting you in the ass?
I have a customer who works from home transcribing mammogram notes from doctors into their system. Their IT department put a Cisco VPN router at the client side to connect to their VPN at the imaging center. We discussed HIPPA, and they were not worried about my side at all as they were encrypting the data. If it is a large enough organization, they will have IT support that understand HIPPA vs. Telecommuting. However, IT guys in large organizations tend to be skeptical of WISP service as they have not seen it much so don't want to vouch for its reliability or support it. So you can get the IT guys into the conversation but beware of the reluctance factor. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Security biting you in the ass? > I think its important to understand where the client's fear comes from. Its > thinking that they are opening their network wide up. > HIPPA is making a client process compliant not the hardware itself, as just > mentioned by someone. But one of the processes is what network policies does > the hospitol allow that could compromise securty if it was not managed > properly. They don't want something in palce that could be improperly > managed. The intent may not jsut be HIPPA compliance, but their own good > judgement on how to keep data secure. Its been written about on every > corner how consumer wifi devices are hackable and not secure, and they > remember that regardless if it has anything to do with your network. The key > is to not have the customer AP/WiFiCPE be the mechanism of implimenting > security. When it is shown that a third party device or other internal > processes are responsible for doing the security, it takes away the WIFI as > even being a variable to consider for breaching security. They can't > critisize wifi for security if the securing method is not the wifi device. > The last thing you want is to have your service be slow to be bought because > some technical bouard is debating for months and months that security risks > of your network. Just take it out of the equation, so there is no delay in > buying your service, and they can figure out how to secure their network as > a seperate transaction. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:32 PM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Security biting you in the ass? > > > > John, > > > > Do you have a listing of HIPPA security needs? > > > > > > One thing you can do is provide a secure tunnel, IPSEC is best, or a > > security on top of security approach. This tunnel will run from your > > customer equipment, his hospital, etc, to your boarder router etc that is > > connected via fiber or land line. At that point it is as secure as you > > can > > get it. > > > > So, if you use WEP, Ya security sux, but then put IPSEC inside that WEP > > packet, now you are talking. T1s can be tapped, seen it done. So with > > the > > WEP and IPSEC you are always talking secure. Add on top of that, the > > application, and whatever it uses for security, HTTPS, etc. > > > > It's a custom solution to a simple problem. The only thing now that they > > could complain about is what about someone sitting in the parking lot > > listening to packets sent and received. Can they do that with a T1 etc, > > well, ya you can TAP a T1, usually done on the switch side of things? All > > you can do then is maybe offer a dedicated backhaul to them, with a > > proportery protocol, something like Nstream would work, so now you have > > Nstream, running WEP encrypted packets that has IPSEC packets inside that. > > If the break it, they should get the data for the work they had to do. > > Or > > put up something like a optical service if you are close! That would > > eliminate that. > > > > Another question I would have to ask is, how secure is cable or DSL? > > Figure > > this, DSL lets every customer off of their DSLAM to coomuncate to each > > other, so does cable. If someone had the right cable modem and off the > > same > > segment, sure, they can capture every package that is going across the > > cable > > line! > > > > Thoughts. > > > > Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.2kwireless.com > > > > 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network > > consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, > > security, and Mikrotik routers. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of John Scrivner > > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:1
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9
What antenna are you using? Anyone used the 900MHz Rootenna? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9 > Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > > Has anyone used the SR9's in a RB112? They are a little bigger so will they > > physically fit? How do you like them? > > > We're using them and they seem to work ok. Having the right antenna is a > key too. > > leon > > Mark Nash > > Network Engineer > > UnwiredOnline.Net > > 350 Holly Street > > Junction City, OR 97448 > > http://www.uwol.net > > 541-998- > > 541-998-5599 fax > > > > > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9
Has anyone used the SR9's in a RB112? They are a little bigger so will they physically fit? How do you like them? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100 batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I have out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and a 19" TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get 13 hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. My goal is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a sensible price. One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to simply take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of the generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go. It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY 1000w generators and putting large custom tanks on them. That is if your UPS is not on the top of a water tower or something. ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. > Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread > > Connectors: > > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 > > Batteries: > > http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html > > > > Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > > > Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? > > Gino, > > Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? > > > > Brian > > > > > > Travis Johnson wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the > >> positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. > >> > >> We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries > >> (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). > >> We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). > >> > >> This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various > >> locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. > >> > >> Travis > >> Microserv > >> > >> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > >> > >>> You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? > >>> > >>> Travis, > >>> What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw > >>> and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with > >>> the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? > >>> > >>> Brian > >>> > >>> Travis Johnson wrote: > >>> > >>>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so > >>>> you need two batteries running in series. > >>>> > >>>> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two > >>>> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on > >>>> the positive side of the connection. > >>>> > >>>> Travis > >>>> Microserv > >>>> > >>>> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an > >>>>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it > >>>>> right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously > >>>>> with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle > >>>>> battery. Any ideas? > >>>>> > >>>>> Mark Nash > >>>>> Network Engineer > >>>>> UnwiredOnline.Net > >>>>> 350 Holly Street > >>>>> Junction City, OR 97448 > >>>>> http://www.uwol.net > >>>>> 541-998- > >>>>> 541-998-5599 fax > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
The SNMP interface you can get for it. Web/telnet/ssh/snmp interface. I love the one from APC. I can reboot a tower site from my blackberry! Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > What is used to tell you how much runtime is left? Have you found it > accurate? > > Brian > > Travis Johnson wrote: > > > We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked > > OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle > > that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each > > and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. > > > > We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running > > on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another > > 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port > > switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) > > > > Travis > > Microserv > > > > Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > > > >> Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to > >> use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will > >> last with constantly being charged by the UPS? > >> > >> Mark Nash > >> Network Engineer > >> UnwiredOnline.Net > >> 350 Holly Street > >> Junction City, OR 97448 > >> http://www.uwol.net > >> 541-998- > >> 541-998-5599 fax > >> - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >> > >> > >>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so > >>> you need two batteries running in series. > >>> > >>> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two > >>> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the > >>> positive side of the connection. > >>> > >>> Travis > >>> Microserv > >>> > >>> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > >>> > >>>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an > >>>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it > >>>> right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously > >>>> with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle > >>>> battery. Any ideas? > >>>> > >>>> Mark Nash > >>>> Network Engineer > >>>> UnwiredOnline.Net > >>>> 350 Holly Street > >>>> Junction City, OR 97448 > >>>> http://www.uwol.net > >>>> 541-998- > >>>> 541-998-5599 fax > >>>> > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >> > >> > >> > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
