Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Nick]

Have one running at 10 miles, LOS, 10Mhz channel. Tests max out around 
45mb one direction. Peak usage is currently only 6-7 Mbps. Been rock 
solid for almost 5 months.


Nick

On 11/10/2010 11:11 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:


Anyone have a similar link running? Happy with it?

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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

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1-800-FREE411? It's ad-based

On 11/10/2010 5:37 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
We pointed voip 411 calls to google 411 but I guess tomorrow its going 
away.  Anyone know of a similar type service or do you guys just 
forward to your telephone provider upstream and eat the costs?


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Re: [WISPA] Recover deleted email from Outlook

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Outlook has a build in PST repair tool, scanpst.exe - it should be in 
the Office directory:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office12\scanpst.exe

Have you tried that? (make a backup before running, just in case)

Nick


On 11/13/2010 9:24 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

The PST is still 700 some megs with 0 emails in it.
-
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On 11/13/2010 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Deleted from the pst?  I don't think you can do anything once that 
pst is rewritten.  Not sure though.


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> Does anyone have any recommendations for free software to do this?
>
> My sister deleted all of her email. I don't think any of it is
> important enough to spend money on to recover. Most tools I've seen
> were over $100.
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[WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

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Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause?

I'm looking to offer backup service & want to offer a discount over the 
standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we 
monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as 
their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to 
our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and 
they seem receptive to this.

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Re: [WISPA] FCC to Vote on Internet Regulation Plan

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Watch live:
http://reboot.fcc.gov/live


On 12/20/2010 3:04 PM, Cliff LeBoeuf wrote:

I know everyone here monitors FOX... ;-)
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Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth

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Exactly. Other bandwidth (residential for example) is best effort. In 
cases where we sell dedicated wireless, it comes with an SLA and is 
typically a PtP shot instead of PtMP. Or if it is PtMP, it's on a 
"dedicated" AP and is not over-subscribed like a normal AP would be.


Nick


On 12/28/2010 7:19 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

Dedicated bandwidth is Committed Information Rate or CIR

They are hard limited to x.  They get x no matter what.  x of your 
backhaul is dedicated for their use.


On 12/28/2010 10:05 PM, RickG wrote:
Sorry, I'm not being clear. What defines the difference between your 
dedicated and non-dedicated? In other words, why would a customer pay 
more for it?


On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jeremie Chism <mailto:jchi...@gmail.com>> wrote:


My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per
month.

Sent from my iPhone4

On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about
cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a
minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ?

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>> wrote:

commercial connection.  sell as x amount of bits/sec and
bill accordingly.


On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote:

I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection
24x7. How does everyone define a "dedicated" connection?
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Re: [WISPA] he.net

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It's up for me.


On 1/3/2011 10:24 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/he.net
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> occasionally useful site..
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Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Re: OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Nick]

Wow. That was stressful.

On 1/28/2011 1:17 PM, David E. Smith wrote:



On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 15:06, > wrote:


(using a broken auto-responder)

I've removed this address from this list. Rejoice!

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[WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

[Nick]

I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of 
traffic - AT&T Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and 
1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a 
RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or 
Foundry.

Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that 
will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're 
in the $20k-$40k range.

Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any 
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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

[Nick]

They need to run up to 1Gbps. ATT is installing a 1Gbps connection. 
Realistically I don't think they'll use that all of the time, probably 
in the 500-750Mbps range. No clue on average packet size.


On 2/2/2011 10:57 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:


How much real throughput do they need?  Any idea of the average packet 
size?


You could use an ImageStream Rebel router for a WHOLE LOT less than 
the Cisco:


http://www.imagestream.com/Rebel.html

Regards,

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I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of
traffic - AT&T Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and
1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a
RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or
Foundry.

Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that
will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're
in the $20k-$40k range.

Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any
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[WISPA] Mikrotik Bandwidth Test

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Anyone have a 25Mbps+ circuit with a Mikrotik on the edge that I could 
run some bandwidth tests to? The most I have access to at the moment is 
10meg with a Mikrotik on it.

I just installed a bonded DSL setup, and want to test the speeds

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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

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http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18&eq=&Tp=


On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt 
gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape 
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Re: [WISPA] Need 10Mb service Washington, DC

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Err, yes. I only saw five so I sent a quote already... then noticed a 
bunch more popped in!


On 7/18/2017 8:47 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Can you summarize these needs into one email please?

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[WISPA] Major X-Class Solar Flare

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http://www.spaceweather.com/*
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*GEOMAGNETIC STORM WATCH (G3-CLASS): *A CME hurled toward Earth by 
sunspot AR2673 on Sept.4th is due to arrive later today. NOAA 
forecasters say the CME's impact could spark moderately-strong G2-class 
<http://www.spaceweather.com/glossary/g2.jpg?PHPSESSID=0fsdsi03l27h1p5r0vl5adr4a4> 
geomagnetic storms with isolated periods of strong G3-class 
<http://www.spaceweather.com/glossary/g3.jpg?PHPSESSID=0fsdsi03l27h1p5r0vl5adr4a4> 
storming on *Sept. 6th and 7th*. High-latitude sky watchers should be 
alert for auroras in bright moonlight. *Free:* Aurora Alerts 
<http://spaceweathergallery.com/eclipse_gallery.html>


*MAJOR X-CLASS SOLAR FLARE: *On Sept. 6th at 1202 UT, sunspot AR2673 
unleashed a major X9.3-class solar flare--the strongest solar flare in 
more than a decade. X-rays and UV radiation from the blast ionized the 
top of Earth's atmosphere, causing a strong shortwave radio blackout 
over Europe, Africa and the Atlantic Ocean: blackout map 
<http://www.spaceweather.com/images2017/06sep17/blackoutmap.jpg?PHPSESSID=0fsdsi03l27h1p5r0vl5adr4a4>. 



Analysis is still underway but this event may have directed a large CME 
towards earth. A direct CME strike from an X9 class flare could cause a 
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Re: [WISPA] PSA: BGP broke 650k routes

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This has happened a few times before when big Tier 1's like Verizon or 
Level 3 make an aggregation or filter mistake. Usually they correct it 
within a few hours.


On 9/8/2017 6:26 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'm not sure where the 650k max-prefix-limit came from - consultant or 
I thought it was plentiful - but both of my peers just hit 650.6k and 
651.2k routes which caused all kinds of fun this morning.


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Re: [WISPA] PSA: BGP broke 650k routes

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This may be interesting

https://www.cidr-report.org/as2.0/#General_Status

https://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/plota?file=%2Fvar%2Fdata%2Fbgp%2Fas2.0%2Fbgp-active.txt&descr=Active+BGP+entries+%28FIB%29&ylabel=Active+BGP+entries+%28FIB%29&range=Week&StartDate=&EndDate=&yrange=Auto&ymin=&ymax=&Width=1&Height=1&with=Step&color=auto&logscale=linear

It does look like on Friday/Saturday there was a significant spike in 
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Re: [WISPA] Long range adjustments XM/XW client XC AP

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On 10/13/2017 3:46 PM, Rick Boucher wrote:
> We have 6 or so customers out past 15 miles. They have either Rocket XM with 
> 3RD-5G-30 dishes or NanoBeam M5 400 (XW)
>
> We’ve upgraded a couple of APs to Rocket 5AC Prisms.
>
> 20mhz channels.
> New firmware on all of them.  xm6.1.1, xw6.1.1, xc8.4.1
> Broadcast channel does not seem to matter.
>
> The clients out past 14.5 miles drop all the time - up and down.  When they 
> are up their connection is reasonable 69/71 but throughput is very negligible.
> Seems like they link up at about 25mbps and then the connection deteriorates 
> to kbps and them they drop out.
>
> On the previous XM Rocket M5 AP the connection stayed up and was serviceable.
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> Any adjustments recommended for the connection?
That sounds like what happened to a 26 mile PTP link I had if "PTP 
No-Ack" mode wasn't enabled. Like there's a hardware distance limit (ack 
timeout) that's been exceeded.

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Re: [WISPA] Long range adjustments XM/XW client XC AP

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On 10/13/2017 6:17 PM, Rick Boucher wrote:
> We are in PTMP.  Where would I adjust the No-Ack in there with 8.4.1?
>
> Rick
I don't know that it's the same thing/settings, I'm just speculating 
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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Nick Bright]

IEA Emerald, v6 added many many many WISP specific features.

On 1/16/2018 9:22 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> What do we got out there for billing solutions?  My current one is not
> working out.  I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I
> liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be
> falling apart.  I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45
> days and they just can't get it done.  It's beyond frustrating, time
> consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why
> my payment site is not secure.  I can't take it anymore.  I need some
> recommendations on whats out there.  I want good support.  I need a
> solution with support.  What's everybody using?  What do you like and
> dislike about it?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Nick Bright]

Keep in mind that it needs to work with how you've built your network 
too (if you're using PPPoE or DHCP, all static, routed, bridged, etc.); 
or you need to be willing to reformat your network to match your 
software choice.

On 1/17/2018 3:20 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
> Simply put..
>
> Write down your MUST HAVEs
> Write down your would be nices
> Write down what in your magical world if cost was not an option what you 
> would like to have.
>
> Then call, all of the WISPA members that offer billing systems, Azotel, 
> Sonar, VISP, PowerCode, etc, and talk to them understand what you MUST have 
> and then what you would like.  Then make your determination.  There is not 
> nor has there ever been a perfect billing system.  But if you follow this 
> approach, you will find one that fits within your cost model, within your 
> budget, and has everything you must have and most of what would be nice.
>
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> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 9:22 AM
> To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization 
> Subject: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>
> What do we got out there for billing solutions?  My current one is not 
> working out.  I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I liked 
> it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be falling apart.  
> I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 days and they just 
> can't get it done.  It's beyond frustrating, time consuming and embarrassing 
> try to explain to hundreds of customers why my payment site is not secure.  I 
> can't take it anymore.  I need some recommendations on whats out there.  I 
> want good support.  I need a solution with support.  What's everybody using?  
> What do you like and dislike about it?
>
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Re: [WISPA] SIP Cordless phones

[Nick Bright]

The Grandstream DP715 also works reasonably well, but the audio quality 
out of the handset leaves a bit to be desired. It sounds empty. Might be 
better with a headset plugged in to it.

They're very affordable as well.

On 6/30/2018 3:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> Cordless Dect phones (SIP/IP Phones)
> Have come long ways.
>
> Aastra
> Panasonic
> Yealink
>
> They all work fine, as advertised.
>
> :)
>
> Regards.
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>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jeremy Austin" 
>> To: "df...@globalvision.net" 
>> Cc: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 7:51:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] SIP Cordless phones
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 3:47 PM David Funderburk  
>> wrote:
>>> We have  a small accounting firm that wants a mixture of desk phones and
>>> cordless phones. The older people are used to desk phones and want to keep 
>>> it
>>> that way.  The younger employees prefer cordless so they can move around the
>>> office while talking to clients. Both want to have features such as call
>>> transfer, park, etc on their phones.
>> Got it.
>>
>> If you're using a SIP cordless, features will be activated via DTMF
>> (and out-of-band signaling). If you're using a PBX that calls cell #s,
>> or softphones... features will be activated via DTMF.
>>
>> If you want to go super fancy, there are DECT cell systems that allow
>> full roaming within the coverage area. I have run Aastra, haven't
>> tried Panasonic's system. We ran into weird issues like not being able
>> to dial zero, and phones that were many years behind state of the art.
>>
>>  From the perspective of the younger employees, a SIP phone is just a
>> cell phone that's broken because it can't run apps.
>>
>> And if you want Bluetooth + mobile, be prepared to pay $300+ per handset.
>>
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On 2018/06/29 17:09, Jeremy Austin wrote:
>>>
>>> By cellular I also include VoWifi.
>>>
>>> I'm having a hard time seeing the general use case for SIP rather than
>>> VoWifi. At present, largely what we get is presence notification — SIP
>>> busy status.
>>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 12:45 PM Grand Avenue Broadband
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Jeremy Austin  wrote:
>>>
>>> What's the use case that you'd prefer SIP over cellular, FWIW?
>>>
>>>
>>> Coverage holes where you've done some work to feed signal in but the cell 
>>> boys
>>> haven't...
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[WISPA] Authentication Methods

[Nick Huanca]

Hi all,

I currently am working on a project to develop a sustainable, manufacturer
agnostic, easy to maintain and provision authentication system for our ISP.
We have a mix of access points from Alvarion, Trango, MikroTik, Canopy, and
others. We're currently running a distributed PPPoE model with MikroTik
PPPoE concentrators. We're concerned about MikroTik's longevity, reliability
and support as we move towards a more centralized PPPoE model where all our
sessions terminate at a CO. We're looking to migrate over 1,000 customers,
currently across 15 or so concentrators, to one single concentrator with
either load balancing or redundancy. We're also trying to keep our decisions
based around a future IPv6 implementation.

My question is if anyone has had any experience in deploying large scale
PPPoE with a centralized methodology. I have investigated the Open Source
options such as rp-pppoe and others but have found that they don't offer any
load-balancing or redundancy options, which are important considerations
when moving to a centralized model. These packages also don't offer any type
of integrated rate-limiting or burst-limiting based on RADIUS. Does anyone
have any experience with other types of centralized authentication for
customers that support IPv6 and include integration of
rate-limiting/bursting?

I have reached out to a Cisco integrator, ImageStream, Fine Point
Technologies (http://www.finepoint.com/servpoet.html), and some others to
find solutions.


Thanks in advance,

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Re: [WISPA] Authentication Methods

[Nick Huanca]

Dennis,

You have a very interesting product line. I appreciate your feed back on the
options that are available today with MikroTik. Looks like something worth
investigating.


--Nick Huanca

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

> We have PowerRouter 732s (under 1500 MSRP) doing over 2500 PPPoE
> sessions without issues, and PowerRouter 2282s with over 5k currently.
> Just a FYI.
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 3:29 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication Methods
>
> I think first off, why the concern over Mikrotik longevity? Do you not
> think the company will be around, or do you just not see it scaling (for
> whatever reason) to the level that you want / need? Personally, I'm not
> sure what you're looking for that's not already out there. Build a
> mikrotik concentrator with a good spec server (or two), dropin
> Freeradius Oas someone else already mentioned) and you should be good
> for a long time.
>
>
> Sent from Windows mobile device...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Huanca 
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:48 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Authentication Methods
>
> Hi all,
>
> I currently am working on a project to develop a sustainable,
> manufacturer
> agnostic, easy to maintain and provision authentication system for our
> ISP.
> We have a mix of access points from Alvarion, Trango, MikroTik, Canopy,
> and
> others. We're currently running a distributed PPPoE model with MikroTik
> PPPoE concentrators. We're concerned about MikroTik's longevity,
> reliability
> and support as we move towards a more centralized PPPoE model where all
> our
> sessions terminate at a CO. We're looking to migrate over 1,000
> customers,
> currently across 15 or so concentrators, to one single concentrator with
> either load balancing or redundancy. We're also trying to keep our
> decisions
> based around a future IPv6 implementation.
>
> My question is if anyone has had any experience in deploying large scale
> PPPoE with a centralized methodology. I have investigated the Open
> Source
> options such as rp-pppoe and others but have found that they don't offer
> any
> load-balancing or redundancy options, which are important considerations
> when moving to a centralized model. These packages also don't offer any
> type
> of integrated rate-limiting or burst-limiting based on RADIUS. Does
> anyone
> have any experience with other types of centralized authentication for
> customers that support IPv6 and include integration of
> rate-limiting/bursting?
>
> I have reached out to a Cisco integrator, ImageStream, Fine Point
> Technologies (http://www.finepoint.com/servpoet.html), and some others
> to
> find solutions.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> --
> Nick Huanca
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Authentication Methods

[Nick Huanca]

Hi Tim,

Do you know if the Cisco products or the Redback products support bursting
based on RADIUS attributes?

Thanks,

--Nick Huanca

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Tim Sylvester wrote:

> I have deployed FreeRADIUS for large ISPs terminating PPPoE on Cisco
> (14,000
> subs) and RedBack gear (200K subs). Works great.
>
> Tim
>
> Disclaimer: By day I am a FreeRADIUS consultant.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Robert West
> > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:36 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication Methods
> >
> > I've been trying to get around to FreeRADIUS.  Do you use that, Josh?
> > I've
> > been looking at Radius Manager as well and have the download but have
> > yet to
> > do a darn thing with any of it.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 3:58 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication Methods
> >
> > Sounds like a job for FreeRADIUS to me.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
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> > Suite 1337
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> >
> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > improbable, must be the truth."
> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Nick Huanca  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I currently am working on a project to develop a sustainable,
> > manufacturer
> > > agnostic, easy to maintain and provision authentication system for
> > our
> > ISP.
> > > We have a mix of access points from Alvarion, Trango, MikroTik,
> > Canopy,
> > and
> > > others. We're currently running a distributed PPPoE model with
> > MikroTik
> > > PPPoE concentrators. We're concerned about MikroTik's longevity,
> > > reliability
> > > and support as we move towards a more centralized PPPoE model where
> > all
> > our
> > > sessions terminate at a CO. We're looking to migrate over 1,000
> > customers,
> > > currently across 15 or so concentrators, to one single concentrator
> > with
> > > either load balancing or redundancy. We're also trying to keep our
> > > decisions
> > > based around a future IPv6 implementation.
> > >
> > > My question is if anyone has had any experience in deploying large
> > scale
> > > PPPoE with a centralized methodology. I have investigated the Open
> > Source
> > > options such as rp-pppoe and others but have found that they don't
> > offer
> > > any
> > > load-balancing or redundancy options, which are important
> > considerations
> > > when moving to a centralized model. These packages also don't offer
> > any
> > > type
> > > of integrated rate-limiting or burst-limiting based on RADIUS. Does
> > anyone
> > > have any experience with other types of centralized authentication
> > for
> > > customers that support IPv6 and include integration of
> > > rate-limiting/bursting?
> > >
> > > I have reached out to a Cisco integrator, ImageStream, Fine Point
> > > Technologies (http://www.finepoint.com/servpoet.html), and some
> > others to
> > > find solutions.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > --
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Re: [WISPA] Authentication Methods

[Nick Huanca]

I would like to thank all those who responded for their insight and
experience. I had not seen if anyone had any experience with IPv6
implementations and PPPoE. Anyone out there running v6 networks?


Thanks,

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Nick Huanca  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I currently am working on a project to develop a sustainable, manufacturer
> agnostic, easy to maintain and provision authentication system for our ISP.
> We have a mix of access points from Alvarion, Trango, MikroTik, Canopy, and
> others. We're currently running a distributed PPPoE model with MikroTik
> PPPoE concentrators. We're concerned about MikroTik's longevity, reliability
> and support as we move towards a more centralized PPPoE model where all our
> sessions terminate at a CO. We're looking to migrate over 1,000 customers,
> currently across 15 or so concentrators, to one single concentrator with
> either load balancing or redundancy. We're also trying to keep our decisions
> based around a future IPv6 implementation.
>
> My question is if anyone has had any experience in deploying large scale
> PPPoE with a centralized methodology. I have investigated the Open Source
> options such as rp-pppoe and others but have found that they don't offer any
> load-balancing or redundancy options, which are important considerations
> when moving to a centralized model. These packages also don't offer any type
> of integrated rate-limiting or burst-limiting based on RADIUS. Does anyone
> have any experience with other types of centralized authentication for
> customers that support IPv6 and include integration of
> rate-limiting/bursting?
>
> I have reached out to a Cisco integrator, ImageStream, Fine Point
> Technologies (http://www.finepoint.com/servpoet.html), and some others to
> find solutions.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> --
> Nick Huanca
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?

[Nick Olsen]

Plug a laptop or some other device into the same port, and ping from the PC 
router to that device. Same results?

Nick Olsen

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From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:58 PM
To: "e...@wisp-router.com" , "WISPA General List" 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!? 

You've looked into CPU load and firewall stuff, right?

I too would try a new POE - only $20 to help find out.

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On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:53 PM,  wrote:

> Try replace the poe injector.
>
> I seen similar behavior when the poe unit gotten damaged but not enough 
to
> stop traffic all together especially when it's not just a simple 
straight
> passive injector like our poe-in-w.
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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> -Original Message-
> From: sa...@michianawireless.com
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:50:45
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?
>
>
> Ok,
>
> Im going bonkers. We are getting ping drops from our Mikrotik devices to
> the other. Our main router is PC based with one of those 4 port RB cards 
in
> it. Starting the other day out of the blue the net started acting funky 
and
> we were getting large pauses. So I started pinging. Get ping loss from 
the
> main router to everything.
>
> average pps going through the router 585 and transfers around 4m at the
> moment.
>
> We switched out the pc and even used an integrated ethernet port on the 
new
> pc to check connectivity to the other devices via means other than the RB 
4
> port ethernet card to make sure that wasnt going bad. But no improvement
> STILL getting pings loss. Switched cables. STILL. Latest OS. Now here is 
the
> wierd part I do not get.
>
> We have our backhaul radio connected directly to the onboard ethernet 
port
> on the pc router. Running a ping from the pc router to the radio port in 
the
> ping specifying to use not ANY but the backhaul port as we labeled it 
will
> get us around 10-15% packet loss. While at the same time running a ping 
from
> the bachaul radio to the router gets 0% packet loss using the same 
method.
> How is this possible?
>
> PC PORT (ethernet cable) RADIO ETH = Lost packets
>
> Radio ETH (ethernet cable) PC PORT = 0 Lost packets
>
> ?
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

[Nick Olsen]

Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the "unlimited" text package. 
Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your 
standard monthly charge plus $7,625. ".25x30500"

I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting 
texting while in school?
/me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure).

Nick Olsen

Brevard Wireless

(321) 205-1100 x106


From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages 

I am reviewing my AT&T wireless bill.  I have myself, my mother and my
daughter on a family plan.

My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that
she has.
I received 297 text messages.  Some of those were forwards from another
email account.

However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages!

How can this be?  How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone
keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer?

She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I
am not familiar with.
Is this a sign of the times or of my age?

I started in the Internet industry in 1993.  I remember my first AOL 
annual
bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps.
That is when I figured that this industry was going to be 
profitable...darn
me for daring to going into fixed wireless.

Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg!

Victoria



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Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

[Nick Huanca]

Hi Jon,

We've had extensive experience with the VL900 product line, even through its
rough release to market. After Alvarion fixed their hardware and software
bugs I could recommend this product hands down based on our experience.
Beware of used equipment that may not operate *at all* in minimal noise.
There was a revision to the hardware on the AUs to remedy this.

Thanks,
--Nick Huanca

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote:

> I have no experience with the Waverider equipment, but Alvarion's
> pretty darn good (and we do have experience with that).
>
> Chuck
>
> On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:24 PM, my_em...@webjogger.net wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is
> > currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is
> > to
> > provide the customer with better speeds
> >
> > The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these
> > radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally
> > better?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
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Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik

[Nick Olsen]

I would assume its possible, On the mikrotik router under connection 
tracking, Maybe drop some of the times? No clue if that will really hurt 
something or not, but it should make your connections clear faster.
Nat at the ISP level sounds like a nightmare. Like Scott said, get yourself 
a real block and start moving people over to it.

Well define "come to"
It will do IPv6 on alot of things. I'm running a 6to4 tunnel, addressing by 
neighbor discovery. And OSPFv3.
So far the only thing that gets me is torch doesn't work on ipv6, rather 
you don't see and of the traffic.
With your "lan" side of the router, if your address space is a /64 you can 
just click advertise and computers find themselves a address (vista and xp 
(with ipv6 package)). Linux will also get a address, but I still prefer 
static ipv6.

Nick Olsen

Brevard Wireless

(321) 205-1100 x106


From: "Scott Lambert" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:47 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik 

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:30:55PM -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
> connections coming into it.  This server is running StarOS.  We have
> about 1700 subs NATted behind a single IP address on this server.
>
> Behind it, I have a Mikrotik server that is handling all traffic  
> coming into that server from the private network side.  Looking at
> the IP/Firewall/Connections listing on this server, I see 69000-71000 
> items 

Time to use more IPs.  The one server may be able to handle the load,
but you need a pool of IPs.  I'd go for 8 or 16 IPs to start with and
try to get down to 1 IP for 100 or 200 hosts.  Then I'd go get a /20
from ARIN, to start, and work on doing it without the NAT.  You have the
hosts to justify it.  That many subs on PPPoE would probably only need a
/21, but with DHCP subnets per sector, you could need a /19 or more.

I dislike NAT at the ISP level.  It's not horrible at the SOHO level.

Has IPv6 come to the Mikrotik/StarOS world?

-- 
Scott LambertKC5MLE   Unix 
SysAdmin
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Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

[Nick Olsen]

You also have the ability to be drunk, while texting. With just a hair of 
driving.

Nick Olsen

Brevard Wireless

(321) 205-1100 x106


From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:26 AM
To: "li...@stlbroadband.com" , "WISPA General List" 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages 

So if you're 22 you can text and drive?  What makes those older then 20
capable of driving while texting?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:26 AM, St. Louis Broadband <
li...@stlbroadband.com> wrote:

> LOL, I don't know about tower climbers, but in MO if you are under 21 
you
> cannot text and drive ;-)
>
> Which I think is a great law!
>
> V
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:k...@wavelinc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:13 PM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
>
> "And tower climbing is a cool job but, by State law, cannot text."
>
>
>
>
> What state law does not allow tower climbers to send text messages?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:03 AM
> To: 'Robert West'; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
> Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the
> pack, came to a slamming halt.
> I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg
> addiction.
> And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone 
next
> to her...
>
> Teenage girls are amazing.
> It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than I in
> some applications.
> When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...mom is so
> slow.
> She can key over 100wpm and is accurate.
>
> V
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
> Oh hell, sounds like my daughter.  Sailed right through school, top of 
the
> class.  Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she
> finally discovered boys.  The talk with her has moved from school to 
having
> "boyfriend" injected in every conversation.  And I still have no met 
him.
> Scary.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM
> To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
> LOL, u assume wrong.  She started junior college when she was 16 and 
made
> the deans list her first semester J
>
> But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys.
>
>
>
> V
>
>
>
> From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
>
>
> Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the "unlimited" text package.
> Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your
> standard monthly charge plus $7,625. ".25x30500"
>
> I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting
> texting while in school?
> /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure).
>
> Nick Olsen
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
>
>  _
>
> From: "St. Louis Broadband" > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
> I am reviewing my AT&T wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my
> daughter on a family plan.
>
> My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know 
that
> she has.
> I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another
> email account.
>
> However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages!
&g

Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360

[Nick Olsen]

I think the NAT isn't the issue here. The nat gets to the xbox when it 
comes to A. connecting to a game. or B. Hosting a game.
Once they are in a game it shouldn't be a nat issue.
The xbox 360 doesn't use much when it comes bandwidth. But think about it 
more like a VOIP call. Its very sensitive to jitter and packet loss.
Also, When it comes to the xbox world the servers aren't always up to par. 
This is because most games have the user hosting a "server" and everyone 
connects to that person. Well most people don't have the internet for that. 
Or they are far away and the latency just getting to them is bad. So you 
may not be the bad guy here.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "jp" 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:39 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360

I think double nat can cause a problem for that sometimes. A low quality 
home firewall/router can also contribute. Lend the customer a different 
router and see if that helps.

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 06:18:57AM -0500, Mike wrote:
> They ARE behind a double nat.  They are a rural pocket of family I 
> feed with a sector, then have a repeater on one of the buildings.  I 
> put a robust client in the house, and a switch.  This one has a long 
> Ethernet cable from the switch to the XBox.  They tested at almost 2M 
> down and almost 3M up.
> 
> Have you set up QOS queues for XBox?
> 
> Mike
> 
> At 10:15 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote:
> >What kind of network topology do you have between your head end and 
their
> >Xbox?  Two or more layers of NAT, from what I read, bother the Xbox.
> >
> >What kind of bandwidth does he get after a speed test?  Xbox uses a lot 
more
> >then I expect.  I remember at a LAN party the 1.5 meg T1 was full by 
3-4
> >Xboxes.
> >
> >Josh Luthman
> >Office: 937-552-2340
> >Direct: 937-552-2343
> >1100 Wayne St
> >Suite 1337
> >Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> >improbable, must be the truth."
> >--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> >On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >
> > > I at least 15% of my customers use 360 and none have problems...  and 
two
> > > of
> > > them (myself included) are highly intolerant of network issues.
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > Mike Hammett
> > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > From: "Mike" 
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:41 PM
> > > To: ; "WISPA General List" 
> > > Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360
> > >
> > > > I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag
> > > > issues.  It seems a low bandwidth consumer.  How are you guys
> > > > optimizing for them?  I'd like to try and make them happier. Is 
there
> > > > a down side?
> > > >
> > > > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on 
the
> > > > list.
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360

[Nick Olsen]

This is correct.
Left 4 Dead does have central hosted servers. Same with the PC side of left 
4 dead.
And yes. IPX Those were dark times.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:55 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360

I hate IPX.  I really do.

>From what I know Left 4 Dead on the Xbox is using central hosting servers
now.  I believe the games with larger volume players such as Bad Company 
do
this as well.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jeremy Parr  wrote:

> 2009/10/5 David E. Smith :
> > Mike Hammett wrote:
> >> I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted.
> >
> > These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from
> > central (text-based MUDs, games on the "old" AOL and CompuServe) to
> > distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS 
games)
> > to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine,
> > though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now,
> > where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like
> > World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games).
>
> Back in my day, we had to run Fossil or IPX if we wanted multiplayer.
> None of this fancy schmancy IP connectivity! You kids today have it
> too good!
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

[Nick Olsen]

This is true.
I believe the general rule of thumb is no less then a /24. could be wrong 
though. I know we don't advertise anything smaller then a /24.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Paul Hendry" 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:07 PM
To: "wireless" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

Actually there are other ways to influence inbound traffic other than 
specific routes or AS Prepending (i.e. MED). The problem with more specific 
routes is that some ISP's will drop routes that have a small subnet (i.e 
too specific) as a way to reduce there BGP tables. Here is the logic behind 
the decision to enter a BGP route into the actual routing table:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/internetworking/technology/handbook/bgp.html
#wp1020647

You are probably better of talking with your BGP peers as to what they will 
look for when influencing you inbound traffic.

Cheers,

P.

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] 
Sent: 05 October 2009 17:29
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

You mention "send" traffic, but do you mean "receive" traffic?  Or both?

To influence your outbound traffic (send) you can simply add a filter rule
that sets a higher cost to the path you do not wish to prefer.

To influence your inbound traffic (receive) you can only try and influence
how traffic comes to you via pre-pending your ASN or by announcing more
specific routes out the path you prefer to use.

Best,

Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

Ya, its kind of hard to know what you want to do.  You can setup costs
so that one provider is cheaper than the other, prepends for inbound
etc.  I would have to take a look really to go, here is the best way.
..

---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
Author of "Learn RouterOS"

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sales
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

Awesome but that wasn't much help lol.

John Buwa
Michiana Wireless,Inc
574-233-7170
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:02 PM, "Dennis Burgess"  
 wrote:

> Plenty of ways :)
>
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Sales
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:01 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Bgp and mt
>
> We have two bgp sessions with different providers using the same
> interface. One provider is metered the other is flat rate. However we
> seem to send 80% of traffic to the metered provider. Is there a way to
> tell a mt router using bgp which path you prefer it to use ? I would
> like to make our flat rate primary choice with the metered secondary.
>
> Thanks
> John
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360

[Nick Olsen]

Have a friend that runs uPNP with the xbox and mikrotik (3.25?) and it 
works.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Mike Hammett" 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:17 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360

I haven't been successful in getting MT uPNP to work with the XBox...  then 

again, I haven't tried since 2.9 days.  Does it work now?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

--
From: 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:11 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360

> I know Xbox don't like NAT at all. Even just single nat. What I did on my 

> own home router was to turn on upnp on the inside and that solved te 
> "issues" but then my home router was the only nay device and had public 
ip 
> on it's wan interface (my home router is of course a MT box).
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike 
> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:38:41
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
>
> They haven't gotten any "not good enough" messages from the xbox.  I
> assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and
> not your core equipment?
>
> Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router in
> my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a
> customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater
> sector, out their repeater, through a client in the house and finally
> a switch varies from 4ms to 7ms USUALLY.
>
> The client sector facing my tower is set up as a bridge.  The
> repeater connected to it is set up to do DHCP and NAT.  The client in
> the house is set up as a bridge to let the repeater do all the
> DHCP/NAT.  So, there really is only one place the IPs are natted.
>
> I will tell him to 1) make sure his firmware is the latest.  I think
> you can just update from the Xbox, tight?
> 2) to try different games or a different group of users to see if
> it's the server or not.
>
> I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda
> like P2P or a sort of distributed computing?  I guess I thought the
> Xbox live servers were centrally located.
>
> Mike
>
> At 09:02 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
>>The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells 
the
>>end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, so 

>>it
>>is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget 
>>the
>>exact term they use).  To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The port
>>forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under security,
>>uncheck everything " Block Anonymous Internet Requests  , Filter 
Multicast
>>, Filter Internet NAT Redirection ,  Filter IDENT(Port 113)".  Not every
>>thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent.
>>
>>For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted 
that
>>we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging 
40
>>homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are
>>getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, 
>>dependant
>>on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your
>>network, then I'd look for basic network quality type things like 
latency
>>and packet loss on all hops end to end.
>>
>>Tom DeReggi
>>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Mike" 
>>To: ; "WISPA General List" 
>>Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:41 PM
>>Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360
>>
>>
>> >I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag
>> > issues.  It seems a low bandwidth consumer.  How are you guys
>> > optimizing for them?  I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there
>> > a down side?
>> >
>> > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on 
the
>> > list.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware

[Nick Olsen]

In my testing most of those don't work, or there isn't one for what i want 
to do.
Only one I currently use in production is the Skype-to-skype L7 for marking 
skype voip for QOS

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
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From: "Jayson Baker" 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:39 PM
To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware

MikroTik has a good one on the wiki somewhere.  I think it's pretty 
current.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:

> Anyone know of a good source for L7 patterns other than the sourceforge 
L7
> list which seems to be outdated / not maintained?
>
> Thanks...
>
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
>
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Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware

[Nick Olsen]

There is a script under the mikrotik wiki for L7 that will get alot of 
them.

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From: "Jeremy Parr" 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:14 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware

2009/10/11 Butch Evans :
> On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 20:54 -0400, Nick Olsen wrote:
>> In my testing most of those don't work, or there isn't one for what i 
want
>> to do.
>> Only one I currently use in production is the Skype-to-skype L7 for 
marking
>> skype voip for QOS
>
> The L7 filters at sourceforge
> (http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/protocols) are accurate and work fine
> for the most part.  I have, yet, to run into one that doesn't.  I have
> to say that my testing has been a little limited, however.  I have
> played with the skype filters and they certainly do work well.  To be
> honest, I've not played with the L7 filters much because it is not often
> that they are needed.

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Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40

[Nick Olsen]

Fight fire with fire?
Find what freq hes using and put to radios on that freq 40mhz turbo and 
constantly bandwidth test between them?

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From: "Mike" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:02 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40

Nice. Put a better dish, with better side lobe and rear lobe specs to 
use.  I have also shielded a dish from the rear with a ground 
screen.  Stainless mesh hung behind the dish and grounded to the 
tower/mount.  There is probably RF reflecting all over the place with 
that level of signal.  It might not be "amped" either if it is 
close.  You need more than luck.  Best Wishes!

At 01:41 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote:
>Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a
>16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to
>be a fun job?
>
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Re: [WISPA] FreeRadius / Accounting data

[Nick Huanca]

http://projects.asn.pl/ara/

Not the "best" product out there and a little outdated but worked for us in
the past.

--Nick

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Mark McElvy  wrote:

> I am running FreeRadius and FreeSide usinf PPPoE. Freeside currently
> does not give me the reports I need for my accounting data. When I run a
> report, it gives you details on each record but does not give you totals
> for each user. I would like to generate a report that would give me
> upload/download totals for a given time period. Anyone know of software
> I can run against the FreeRadius accounting data to get this info or
> have any Freeside customization that would like to share to do this?
>
>
>
> I am looking at bitcap bill if you have not guessed;)
>
>
>
> Mark McElvy
> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
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Re: [WISPA] new wi fi??? From BusinessWeek today

[Nick Olsen]

Were going to reach the age where the only need for 3G coverage will be on open 
highways and rural areas.
In citys it will get to the point where there is so much wi-fi coverage your 
device will be able to just hop from one to the next. Thats when your going to 
run into the noise issue. They will have to find some way to deal with that, 
That current gear can't do.

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From: "richard sterne" 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:22 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] new wi fi??? From BusinessWeek today

More noise problems.

Richard

2009/10/15 Chuck Profito 

> Internet October 14, 2009, 12:01AM EST
>
> Wi-Fi Is About to Get a Whole Lot Easier
> A consortium that includes Intel, Cisco, and Apple is set to release new
> technology called Wi-Fi Direct that will turn a slew of gadgets into
> hotspots
>
> By Olga Kharif
>
> Going Wi-Fi is about to get a lot easier. For many consumers, setting up an
> in-home Wi-Fi connection point is something of a hassle. Before you can
> enjoy the convenience of logging onto the Web without cables and wires, you
> need to hook up some gear and create your own "hotspot."
>
> But that's set to change come mid-2010, when a tech upgrade will make it
> easier for users of consumer electronics to exchange files between
> electronic gadgets.
>
> On Oct. 14, the Wi-Fi Alliance, a tech industry consortium, said its
> members
> will release technology that effectively turns gadgets into mini access
> points, able to create wireless connections with other Wi-Fi-enabled
> gadgets
> or broadband modems within a radius of about 300 feet. The alliance
> includes
> Intel (INTC), Cisco Systems (CSCO), Apple (AAPL), and more than 300 other
> makers of the equipment that runs Wi-Fi networks, often used to provide
> wireless Web connections in homes, cafés, hotels, and airports.
> Sales Erosion Possible
>
> The new technology, called Wi-Fi Direct, will be built directly into
> consumer electronics and automatically scan the vicinity for existing
> hotspots and the gamut of Wi-Fi equipped devices, including phones,
> computers, TVs, and gaming consoles. Owners of most existing Wi-Fi-enabled
> devices will be able to upgrade to Wi-Fi Direct with a simple software
> download.
>
> While the revamp may make life easier for consumers and business owners, it
> may erode sales of other Wi-Fi compatible equipment. For starters, Wi-Fi
> Direct may curb demand for routers and other products that make up the $1
> billion annual market for Wi-Fi access points, now present in about 30% of
> U.S. homes. "The IT department doesn't have to set up an access point,"
> says
> Victoria Fodale, a senior analyst at In-Stat. "Same thing in the home. You
> can do the same thing with less equipment." Cisco and Netgear (NTGR) are
> among the biggest sellers of Wi-Fi equipment.
>
> The feature also could disrupt usage of wireless Bluetooth technology that,
> for example, helps users of the Apple iPhone play games with each other
> outside a wireless network. In the future, some consumers may use Wi-Fi
> Direct instead. Though Wi-Fi connectivity tends to drain battery life
> faster
> than Bluetooth, it's also faster and allows for transfer of richer
> multimedia content like video.
> Marketing Blitz on the Way
>
> For Cisco, Wi-Fi Direct could make up for lost sales of Wi-Fi access points
> through other Wi-Fi-enabled equipment including camcorders. The company
> didn't make a representative available for this story.
>
> Members of the Wi-Fi Alliance plan to promote their new technology with a
> major marketing blitz. Intel has already begun briefing retailers, who will
> promote the feature in their stores, says Gary Martz, senior product
> manager
> at Intel. The chipmaker will also heavily promote the capability in the
> first quarter of 2010 as it unveils its next-generation Wi-Fi chip package
> for computers.
>
> Chipmaker Marvell (MRVL), meantime, is planning to collaborate with its
> consumer-electronics partners to mark enabled devices with special stickers
> and to promote the capability through ads. "We will make a big splash with
> Wi-Fi Direct," says Bart Giordano, product marketing manager at Marvell.
> A Boon for Smartphones
>
> Almost half of the 760 North American consumers surveyed in May by In-Stat
> said they use their Wi-Fi-enabled devices for more than connecting to the
> Internet. "We feel that it opens up a whole new set of applications and use
> cases," Giordano says. "Wi-Fi Direct will really drive the next generation
> of growth in [the use of Wi-Fi] c

Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections

[Nick Olsen]

This could be a very touchy topic.
Routers, are everywhere. Someone can't blame a router for all there 
problems because at some point your internet goes through a router. At your 
location or your ISP's its inevitable.
But why have routers gotten such a bad name? I believe this is the fact 
that most SOHO routers are trash. Generally your average home user isn't 
doing much to notice a router. But then you get your users that are heavy 
on the P2P or something they find the router gets slow.. Most SOHO routers 
don't handle P2P very well because the number of connections. So they 
remove the router and it all works great suddenly.

As for the actual question. No, most routers are not the cause of 
speed/bandwidth issues. As today most of them are decently equipped. I know 
back in the day I saw many a netgear 614 have about a 14Mb/s ceiling on wan 
to lan throughput. Add in lots of P2P connections and that could come down 
under the 10Mb/s mark.
I really like the idea of the new RB750, I have one running right now and 
its capable of doing 98Mb/s TCP at about 60% cpu load. This is in the 
standard soho config (1 wan, 4 lan, nat, no queues)

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Al Stewart" 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:31 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections

Thanks ... this helps.

One more question. Do routers being used by the subscribers (wired or 
wireless) ever affect the speed/bandwidth. I don't see how that can 
be as they are designed to pass 10 Meg to the WAN, which is six times 
at least what the
nominal bandwidth would be. One tech guy is trying to blame routers 
for all problems. But I have yet to see the logic in that. Unless of 
course one is malfunctioning or dying or something. But that can't be 
ALL the routers in the system.

Al

-- At 02:15 PM 10/15/2009 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: ---

>Everything goes to crap, unless you've put in bandwdith management to
>address those conditions.
>The problem gets worse when  Traffic becomes... Lots of small packets 
and/or
>lots of uploads.
>Obviously Peer-to-Peer can have those characteristics.
>The bigger problem is NOT fairly sharing bandwidith per sub, but instead
>managing based on what percentage of bandwidth is going up versus down.
>This can be a problem when Bandwdith mangement is Full Duplex, and Radios
>are Half Duplex, and its never certain whether end user traffic is gfoing 
to
>be up or down during the congestion time.
>Generally congestion will happen in teh upload direction more, because 
its
>common practice to assume majority of bandwidth use is in teh download
>direction, so most providers allocate more bandwdith for download. 
Therfore
>when there is an unsuspecting surge in upload bandwdith, the limited 
amount
>of upload capacity gets saturated sooner.
>
>We took a two prong approach to fix.
>
>1) We used Trango 900Mhz internal bandwidth management, to help. MIRs set 
to
>end user sold full speed, and CIR set really low (maybe 5% of MIR speed).
>Primary purpose was to reserve ENOUGH minimal capacity for end users to 
have
>a time slice for uploading.
>
>2) At our first hop router, we setup Fair Weighted Queuing, so every 
users
>gets fair weight to available bandwdith.
>
>With 5.8Ghz, we did not use Bandwdith management on the trango itself.
>
>If you have good queuing, customers rarely ever notice when there is
>congestion. They might slow down to 100kbps now and then, but end uses
>really dont realize it for most applications, becaue the degragation of
>service rarely lasts long because oversubscription is low comparatively 
to
>most ISPs.  Usually end use bandwidth tests will still reach in the 1-1.5
>mbps level ranges.  We run about 40-50 users per AP, selling 1mb and 2mb
>plans.
>
>  But the key is Queuing If you dont have it, when congestion is 
reached
>packet loss occurs, and degregation is much more noticeable by the end 
user,
>because TCP will become way more sporatic in its self-tunning.  We also
>learned faster speeds w/ Queuing worked much better than Limiting to 
slower
>speeds. We also learned avoid having  speed plans higher than 60-70% of 
the
>radio speed, to minmiize the damage one person can do.
>
>VIDEO can quickly harm that model for the individual end user doing 
video,
>it prevents the video guy from harming all the other subs. Therefore if
>someone complains about speeds, its jsut teh one person that gets
>discruntled, not the whole subscriber base..
>
>Tom DeReggi
>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Al Stewart" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 20

[WISPA] MT on Atom

[Nick Olsen]

Has anyone tried Mikrotik on a atom board?

I noticed this 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262
I think this would make a decent router for the price.
Your thoughts?

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Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom

[Nick Olsen]

Oh I understand that its a barebone system, so it needs ram and storage.
Realtek nics, I don't really have a comment on. I love the intel 
pro/1000GT's (not realtek, i know), and haven't had much seat time with a 
set of realtek's.
And supermicro stuff is always good. They are bigger in the 
rackmount/server side of the market. I've worked with a lot of it and its 
always bulletproof.

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From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:07 PM
To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom

It's x86 so it should work.

Doesn't have RAM, you'll need to buy that.

It has Realtek NICs.  Worst things in the world.  Linux hates them 
especially.

However much faith you want to put in "SuperMicro" is up to you - I have no 
experience.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

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improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Nick Olsen  
wrote:

Has anyone tried Mikrotik on a atom board?

I noticed this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262
I think this would make a decent router for the price.
Your thoughts?

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106



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Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections

[Nick Olsen]

Depends on which one.
I use to use a DGL-4300 one of there "Gaming" routers. And it would do 
about 80Mb/s Wan to Lan.
Most of the new routers today are pretty well off. They still don't handle 
P2P all that well. But are way better then they were like 1 year ago.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Al Stewart" 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:09 PM
To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections

How do D-Link products rate in your experience?

Al

-- At 02:48 PM 10/15/2009 -0400, Nick Olsen wrote: ---

>This could be a very touchy topic.
>Routers, are everywhere. Someone can't blame a router for all there
>problems because at some point your internet goes through a router. At 
your
>location or your ISP's its inevitable.
>But why have routers gotten such a bad name? I believe this is the fact
>that most SOHO routers are trash. Generally your average home user isn't
>doing much to notice a router. But then you get your users that are heavy
>on the P2P or something they find the router gets slow.. Most SOHO 
routers
>don't handle P2P very well because the number of connections. So they
>remove the router and it all works great suddenly.
>
>As for the actual question. No, most routers are not the cause of
>speed/bandwidth issues. As today most of them are decently equipped. I 
know
>back in the day I saw many a netgear 614 have about a 14Mb/s ceiling on 
wan
>to lan throughput. Add in lots of P2P connections and that could come 
down
>under the 10Mb/s mark.
>I really like the idea of the new RB750, I have one running right now and
>its capable of doing 98Mb/s TCP at about 60% cpu load. This is in the
>standard soho config (1 wan, 4 lan, nat, no queues)
>
>Nick Olsen
>Brevard Wireless
>(321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
>
>
>From: "Al Stewart" 
>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:31 PM
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections
>
>Thanks ... this helps.
>
>One more question. Do routers being used by the subscribers (wired or
>wireless) ever affect the speed/bandwidth. I don't see how that can
>be as they are designed to pass 10 Meg to the WAN, which is six times
>at least what the
>nominal bandwidth would be. One tech guy is trying to blame routers
>for all problems. But I have yet to see the logic in that. Unless of
>course one is malfunctioning or dying or something. But that can't be
>ALL the routers in the system.
>
>Al
>
>-- At 02:15 PM 10/15/2009 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: ---
>
> >Everything goes to crap, unless you've put in bandwdith management to
> >address those conditions.
> >The problem gets worse when  Traffic becomes... Lots of small packets
>and/or
> >lots of uploads.
> >Obviously Peer-to-Peer can have those characteristics.
> >The bigger problem is NOT fairly sharing bandwidith per sub, but 
instead
> >managing based on what percentage of bandwidth is going up versus down.
> >This can be a problem when Bandwdith mangement is Full Duplex, and 
Radios
> >are Half Duplex, and its never certain whether end user traffic is 
gfoing
>to
> >be up or down during the congestion time.
> >Generally congestion will happen in teh upload direction more, because
>its
> >common practice to assume majority of bandwidth use is in teh download
> >direction, so most providers allocate more bandwdith for download.
>Therfore
> >when there is an unsuspecting surge in upload bandwdith, the limited
>amount
> >of upload capacity gets saturated sooner.
> >
> >We took a two prong approach to fix.
> >
> >1) We used Trango 900Mhz internal bandwidth management, to help. MIRs 
set
>to
> >end user sold full speed, and CIR set really low (maybe 5% of MIR 
speed).
> >Primary purpose was to reserve ENOUGH minimal capacity for end users to
>have
> >a time slice for uploading.
> >
> >2) At our first hop router, we setup Fair Weighted Queuing, so every
>users
> >gets fair weight to available bandwdith.
> >
> >With 5.8Ghz, we did not use Bandwdith management on the trango itself.
> >
> >If you have good queuing, customers rarely ever notice when there is
> >congestion. They might slow down to 100kbps now and then, but end uses
> >really dont realize it for most applications, becaue the degragation of
> >service rarely lasts long because oversubscription is low comparatively
>to
> >most ISPs.  Usually end use bandwidth tests will still reach in the 
1-1.5
> >mbps level r

Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom

[Nick Olsen]

My ignorance may be showing, but by 2xFE i assume you mean 2 fast ethernet 
adapters ie 10/100
both the adapters on that supermicro are Gig (10/100/1000)

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From: "Butch Evans" 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 13:10 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote: 
> Probably about the equivalent of the RB1000 (but only 
> with 2 FE ports).

About the equivalent of the rb1000?  You gotta be kidding!  RB1000 is
1.3GHz SINGLE CORE cpu.  That one is 1.6GHz Dual-core.  It'll be a LOT
more different than just the 2XFE (vs 4XGig).

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Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom

[Nick Olsen]

I figure the RB1000 is faster, its "made" for routing.
But I'm sure the atom platform could hold its ground.
I'd mainly like to see bandwidth tests.

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From: "Travis Johnson" 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom

In our bench testing, the RB1000 actually performs very well. You can't
just compare CPU's (as I'm sure you know). The RB1000 was designed from
the ground up to move packets. The Atom CPU was designed as an
inexpensive computer system.

I think I have a dual-core 1.6ghz Atom board and CPU (Intel brand of
both) and an RB1000. I can run some performance tests... what do you
want to see?

Travis
Microserv

Butch Evans wrote:

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 13:10 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote:

Probably about the equivalent of the RB1000 (but only  with 2 FE ports).
 


About the equivalent of the rb1000?  You gotta be kidding!  RB1000 is
1.3GHz SINGLE CORE cpu.  That one is 1.6GHz Dual-core.  It'll be a LOT
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Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom

[Nick Olsen]

Thats good to hear, I was really looking forward to replacing some of my 
boxes with these. I figured router, Pbx, Mail/DNS.
As each one of those is running on like a p3 or a vm. Router is a amd 3000+ 
though.
I just love that these are small, low power, rack mountable, low heat, oh 
and cheap.

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From: "Curtis Maurand" 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:20 AM
To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom

I've had a couple of these things.  I'm currently firewalling an 
insurance company on one (vyatta), I had one firewalling the local 
budweiser distributor (pfsense) and I was using one as a primary 
nameserver (Gentoo Linux).  These things have never even burped.  I have 
an intel system that has given me lots of trouble, but these supermicros 
just get it done quietly.

Nick Olsen wrote:
> Oh I understand that its a barebone system, so it needs ram and storage.
> Realtek nics, I don't really have a comment on. I love the intel 
> pro/1000GT's (not realtek, i know), and haven't had much seat time with a 

> set of realtek's.
> And supermicro stuff is always good. They are bigger in the 
> rackmount/server side of the market. I've worked with a lot of it and its 

> always bulletproof.
>
> Nick Olsen
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
> 
>
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:07 PM
> To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
> List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom
>
> It's x86 so it should work.
>
> Doesn't have RAM, you'll need to buy that.
>
> It has Realtek NICs.  Worst things in the world.  Linux hates them 
> especially.
>
> However much faith you want to put in "SuperMicro" is up to you - I have 
no 
> experience.
>
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> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Nick Olsen  
> wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried Mikrotik on a atom board?
>
> I noticed this
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262
> I think this would make a decent router for the price.
> Your thoughts?
>
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Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

[Nick Olsen]

Cogent has cheap bandwidth, and its decently peered.
Only other one I can comment on is Level3.
Here in orlando they have there share of outages/problems, but have good 
peering.

Really, if your looking for a good mix of routes, with cheap bandwidth 
cogent is the way to go. They do a lot of peering.

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From: "Jon Auer" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

Cogent has a bad rap but they have been solid for us for the past
year. Prior to that they had a few hickups. Their peering is pretty
good. Low latency to all major content sites.

Level3 seems to have more outages than a provider of their reputation 
should.

Savvis is has poor peering from what I hear.

I'd like to add Abovenet or Global crossing to my mix.

On 10/21/09, Marco Coelho  wrote:
> I'm a GigE circuit to the mix, and I've got a choice of:
>
> Abovenet
> Cogent
> Global Crossing
> Level3
> Savvis
>
> I'm looking for recommendations of who the better upstream is.
>
> Marco
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Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

[Nick Olsen]

 As we can all see, This is very dependent on market. Bret here has had a 
great time with cogent, where others are quick to say its a lesser 
provider. Arguing which carrier has better uptime is a waste of time.

Long story short, Pick what is the best in that market.
You might even get away with looking up some of the big company's in your 
city, and if they peer with someone you might also want to peer with (like 
cogent). Give them a call and see if you can get a tech, see what they have 
to say about $CARRIER in your area. They might tell you to jump in a lake, 
but you might get someone cool who is willing to talk.

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From: "Bret Clark" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:10 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

Brad Belton wrote:
> While I agree no solution can be considered equal in any given location,
> there are trends or a general barometer to help place one carrier over
> another.  
>   
Such as?
> This is exactly my point (being made by Tom, a Cogent customer!) why 
Cogent
> should not be depended on as a sole or primary Internet feed.  If 
Cogent's
> all you got then you're SOL!  
>   
Baloney, we've used them as one of our primary's for well over a year 
without hiccup. Our so other "better" providers have given us more 
frustration.
> Bottom line is any carrier can break.  If you can only have one then 
find
> one that breaks the least.  If you can have more than one, Cogent is a 
good
> low cost second or third to have in a pinch for relatively little cost.
>
>   
Where are you getting your data from? Curious as to why you feel they 
are a second or third alternative?

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Re: [WISPA] juniper

[Nick Olsen]

Mikrotik BGP has come a long way. And is really stable in our testing. 
running 4.1

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From: "jp" 
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:29 PM
To: "wireless@wispa.org" 
Subject: [WISPA] juniper

Anyone use their routers? I'm wondering if they overstate their performance 

greatly or if they are conservative in their promises.

I'm considering using one to replace an aging Cisco. The Cisco has been 
reliable, but it's running out of steam with 150mbit going through it 
pretty 
steady, and low on memory for more BGP. Mikrotik I love, but I don't trust 

their BGP and software feature testing in new software releases for 
something 
this important.

This Juniper is about $3k and has pretty nice specs.
http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/j-series/j2350/

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Re: [WISPA] juniper

[Nick Olsen]

Well, its been running a week, stable. With a full BGP table.
Where 3.24 plus couldn't run a full bgp table for more then 4 hours, 
without idling out and coming back.
I understand a week isn't nothing, But since about 3.28 with routing test, 
bgp has been as stable as the machine its running on.

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From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:45 PM
To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] juniper

I don't mean to be rude but 4.1 came out a week ago, how much testing 
could
you have done?!

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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:

> Mikrotik BGP has come a long way. And is really stable in our testing.
> running 4.1
>
> Nick Olsen
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
> 
>
> From: "jp" 
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:29 PM
> To: "wireless@wispa.org" 
> Subject: [WISPA] juniper
>
> Anyone use their routers? I'm wondering if they overstate their 
performance
>
> greatly or if they are conservative in their promises.
>
> I'm considering using one to replace an aging Cisco. The Cisco has been
> reliable, but it's running out of steam with 150mbit going through it
> pretty
> steady, and low on memory for more BGP. Mikrotik I love, but I don't 
trust
>
> their BGP and software feature testing in new software releases for
> something
> this important.
>
> This Juniper is about $3k and has pretty nice specs.
> http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/j-series/j2350/
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Re: [WISPA] MT Lamer question

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What service are they trying to hit? FTP? SSH?
If they are hitting SSH or FTP, and you don't have a use for them, just 
disable them.

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From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 12:03 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] MT Lamer question

Lamer question-
I have a MT box we use for a public hotspot and logs reveal folks are 
trying to hack the password (from WAN, not actual customers) - IPs trace 
back to China and stuff.. anyhow - is there an easy way to implement a 
temporary (12 hour) or so ban on an IP after x attempts?  Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Verizon fiber

[Nick Olsen]

At that rate you could run your own fiber, including license fees for the 
poll's or underground.....

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From: "Kevin Neal" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:12 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon fiber

I was recently quoted $300,000 to break into a long-haul fiber route
(not Verizon), that was to cover the bulk of the equipment costs to
break in and then they could give me a good rate per megabyte.

-Kevin

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:50 PM, John Valenti  wrote:
> I'm assuming this is hopeless, but somebody here can probably confirm:
>
> Verizon has fiber running down the dirt road that passes by a grain
> leg I'm using. (I'm told it was put in for 911 service to Bath, MI)
> Is it possible to have them tap into it and sell bulk bandwidth to
> me?  For less than 10s of thousand$?
>
> If it helps, there is a small concrete vault nearby that the fiber
> runs thru. The farmer says the cover has been left open on that for
> years. You can look in and see a metal can (about 8" by 2') that the
> fiber runs thru.
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Re: [WISPA] OSPF maximums

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If I understand correctly, There is no limit. But I vaguely remember 
something about OSPF being unstable with 500+ routers. As you start to get 
to much crosstalk overhead.
If its a big area you would need to do like OSPF and BGP I don't remember 
how it went, something like transit routes with ospf and advertise the 
customer space with bgp...

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From: "Jory Privett" 
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:33 AM
To: "wireless@wispa.org" 
Subject: [WISPA] OSPF maximums

For all of you routing gurus out there,   On MikroTiks version,  or any 
other brand,  of OSPF what is the maximum number of routes or routers in a 
single OSPF Area?  Is this only limitied by CPU/Memory or is there 
something else that dictates it?

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Re: [WISPA] OT Question....

[Nick Huanca]

show int gi0/21 cou err

This could show if there are any errors and what type they are.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Jason Hensley wrote:

> Don't know that there's much more you could get from this other than just
> up/down.  Seems like a strong possibility of a bad cable to me, but of
> course, many other possibilities.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:14 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] OT Question
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> Sorry guys. I know its a little OT but I am the RF guy, not the network
> guy. But its kind of on topic because its connected to a wireless link.
>  :-)
>
> What does this tell everybody???   Its from a Cisco 2960 switch.
>
> Oct 27 08:12:18.407 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface
> GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down
> Oct 27 08:12:19.455 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21,
> changed state to down
> Oct 27 13:52:16.606 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21,
> changed state to up
> Oct 27 13:52:18.661 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface
> GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up
> Oct 27 14:15:10.273 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface
> GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down
> Oct 27 14:15:11.314 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21,
> changed state to down
> Oct 27 16:26:29.667 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21,
> changed state to up
>
>
> I know the gig port is going up and down but does it tell you anything
> else?
>
> Tnx.
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Re: [WISPA] OT Question....

[Nick Huanca]

If you're seeing carrier-sens or alignment errors things like duplex could
be the issue. Most common issue is cable crimp or continuity on the line.

These will show up with input errors, etc.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Nick Huanca wrote:

> show int gi0/21 cou err
>
> This could show if there are any errors and what type they are.
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Jason Hensley wrote:
>
>> Don't know that there's much more you could get from this other than just
>> up/down.  Seems like a strong possibility of a bad cable to me, but of
>> course, many other possibilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:14 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] OT Question
>>
>> Sorry guys. I know its a little OT but I am the RF guy, not the network
>> guy. But its kind of on topic because its connected to a wireless link.
>>  :-)
>>
>> What does this tell everybody???   Its from a Cisco 2960 switch.
>>
>> Oct 27 08:12:18.407 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface
>> GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down
>> Oct 27 08:12:19.455 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21,
>> changed state to down
>> Oct 27 13:52:16.606 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21,
>> changed state to up
>> Oct 27 13:52:18.661 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface
>> GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up
>> Oct 27 14:15:10.273 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface
>> GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down
>> Oct 27 14:15:11.314 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21,
>> changed state to down
>> Oct 27 16:26:29.667 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21,
>> changed state to up
>>
>>
>> I know the gig port is going up and down but does it tell you anything
>> else?
>>
>> Tnx.
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[WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Nick Olsen]

I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless 
when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't 
find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how 
good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand 
that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that 
they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them 
in terms of specs.

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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Nick Olsen]

And I find this 2 minutes later
http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/loco2_datasheet.pdf

sigh

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From: "Nick Olsen" 
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:19 PM
To: "wireless@wispa.org" 
Subject: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless 
when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't 
find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how 
good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand 
that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that 

they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them 

in terms of specs.

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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client

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Yeah, I think we settled on the loco2's for this purpose.

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From: "Mike" 
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:32 PM
To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client

Nick,  Don't even stake a portion of your business on USB clients. 
Too many issues make them unreliable in my opinion.

At 12:18 PM 11/5/2009, you wrote:
>So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right 
on
>the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but 
we
>don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens.
>We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less
>then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up
>then most laptops with built in wireless.
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Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Nick Olsen]

I would say that pricing is fair. But I think on your website it should say 
"Unlimited*" Note the asterisk. If your using that 10Mb/s all day long 
24/7, then that is dedicated bandwidth and you'll be charged accordingly.
There is a data center in orlando, and on there dedicated servers you get 
like 2tb a month, with a $75/mb overage fee :|

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From: "Steve Barnes" 
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:40 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

But see that is the point Travis.  I would have no problem with a client 
with 5 computers paying me $165 /month for unlimited service.  But the 
customers want to download 65Gb a month for $39.99.  Shoot at my office I 
have a well and Pump so I get free water.  It cost $6,000.00 to put it in.  
But since I am on city sewer I had to put a meter on MY well to pay for the 
amount of water dumped into their sewer.  NOTHING IS FREE and UNLIMITED 
here.  I pay for metered electric, gas, phone, sewer, and backhaul from my 
provider.  I expect it, why shouldn't my customers.

I will be going to Metered billing for overages as stipulated in my AUP.  I 
am just having a problem determining what will be my Limit per package.  
Like my $39.99 gets 10 Gig and my $59.99 package gets 20 Gig and a 
Unlimited Package for $89.  I don't know what is Fair(yet).

Verizon Wireless in our area gives 5 Gb/month and $.10 Mb for overages.   
That's $102 per Gig  I was thinking more like $10/gig overage.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service<http://www.rcwifi.com/>

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

Wow... Verizon is screwing you... my family has 5 lines, 1200 minutes 
shared (national with carryover), unlimited text mesages and pics and I pay 
$165 per month total (including all taxes, surcharges, etc.). That's with 
AT&T even.

Travis
Microserv

Mike wrote:

There are those (the 5%?) who will just try to max out the pipe all

the time if that's what they perceive they are paying for.

This thread is making me think through some of the cob webs which are

rising uses on ALL of our networks.  Christmas is coming, so are new

game consoles.

I constantly look at my Verizon bill and try to figure out how to

trim it; I can't.  Four phones, national plan, unlimited

texting/pictures, 1200 shared minutes; we pay about $240.00 per

month, or about $60.00 per phone.  I view that as obscene, but also

feel somewhat trapped.  Verizon, ex-Alltel, ex-GTE, has the best

network between Iowa and Florida where my phones reside.

We've weaned ourselves away from the local rapacious monopolist --

Iowa Telecom -- but still throw money at Verizon and Dish network

every month.  If I wasn't a Hawkeye fan, I'd toss Dish out too, but I

can't get the Big 10 network over-the-air.

My point is, as far as communications costs go, Internet, if we were

a customer instead of the vendor, would be a small portion of total

monthly costs.  Maybe it is time to rethink the whole

paradigm.  Except, if I make a bold move, competition would have to

do the same thing, or I'd lose customers.

I tried a tiered service once.  My basic contract says 512 kbps.  I

let them burst to 2 or 4 M, whatever the pipe will let them do at the

moment.  If they have a persistent connection, and the pipe gets

congested, I throttle them back by delaying packets.  When I tried to

sell tiered service with escalating minimum guarantees, I had few takers.

Most of my customers are rural, unsophisticated, and bursty

users.  The business customers pay more and expect that to be the

case.  There seems to be a pain threshold of $45.00 for rural

residential users.

Mike

At 08:45 AM 11/8/2009, you wrote:

Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG 
<mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you " guaranteed

minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and

6Mbps" at those low rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm wrong but

the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy subscribers when

their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can come in.

I

find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds if it can

be delivered.

BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost money

since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of an

non-subsidized "all you can eat service" c

Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Nick Olsen]

I've only seen hulu use about 2mb/s max. Netflix I've heard will pull what 
you got, The more tubes the better the video it streams.
When I watch hulu I see port 1935 a lot (i think its 1935)
Looks like its time for some QoS, Which might not help much, normally it is 
good for making the videos load faster. 

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Joe Miller" 
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:18 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even 
Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some 
calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've 
researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what 
ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close 
to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. 

How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit 
in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, 
then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the 
slow Internet speeds. 

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Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

[Nick Olsen]

It all depends on the ISP.
All they are doing is looking for the abuse email on the network. For our 
network this is us. However, Some of the bigger ISP's (TWTC...ect) actually 
have a up to date whois that you can query, So you Put in the info for lets 
say 65.33.33.33 and it says TWTC but once you query there whois it will 
tell you hostingcompanyx is who we issued this ip to. Linux's whois does 
this all by default.

The point I'm making is, It is possible for the customer to be the one to 
receive the email, Its all about who is listed as a abuse contact on the 
whois page.

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From: "Adam Goodman" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:56 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

To me the question is how much work should I invest in order to
protect "their" copyright interest. It makes sense to me that since
they have no way of knowing the identity of the customer and all they
really have is an ip address. That the ISP would have to connect the
copyright owner to the customer. Billing them for the research work
sounds like good idea to me. That way I am not preventing them from
contacting the perpetrating party, and I also get paid for my time.

-Adam

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Robert West  
wrote:
> I agree.  I'm not the sheriff, I'm just the messenger boy.  I pass it 
along
> and forget it.  Not my job.
>
> Bob-
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:41 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
>
> Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio
> letter.  Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any information.
>
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> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
>
> We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from
> "Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation" about a download movie from
> BitTorrent.
>
> They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware
> of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you
> handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another
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Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

[Nick Olsen]

Really to cover yourself you would need to know what customer it came from, 
When NAT'ing that's hard to do. So yeah, I would agree you the ISP could 
become the sole person responsible for that unless you can point fingers at 
a customer.

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From: "os10ru...@gmail.com" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:03 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

What are you guys doing who have some/all of your network nat'ed? Seems 
like then more of the burden might fall on you.

GReg

On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Adam Goodman wrote:

> To me the question is how much work should I invest in order to
> protect "their" copyright interest. It makes sense to me that since
> they have no way of knowing the identity of the customer and all they
> really have is an ip address. That the ISP would have to connect the
> copyright owner to the customer. Billing them for the research work
> sounds like good idea to me. That way I am not preventing them from
> contacting the perpetrating party, and I also get paid for my time.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Robert West  
wrote:
>> I agree.  I'm not the sheriff, I'm just the messenger boy.  I pass it 
along
>> and forget it.  Not my job.
>> 
>> Bob-
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
>> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:41 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
>> 
>> Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio
>> letter.  Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any information.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Chuck Hogg
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 502-722-9292
>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>> http://www.shelbybb.com
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
>> 
>> We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from
>> "Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation" about a download movie from
>> BitTorrent.
>> 
>> They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware
>> of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you
>> handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another
>> path?
>> 
>> Thank you,
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Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

[Nick Olsen]

This is correct, But the cable companys hand out public addresses with 
DHCP. So you can say, Yeah This address was assigned to "mac" on this date. 
And they know the offending IP because it was in the email, But When you 
nat all your customers, the ip in the email is the IP assigned to the wan 
interface of your router, or whatever you are masquerading out. So you have 
no idea what the internal IP was the offender. And no log will tell you 
which one was.

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Brevard Wireless
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From: "Israel Lopez-LISTS" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:14 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

AFAIK your assertion that "NAT/DHCP - has no way to know" is not 
entirely correct.

Just how most Cable companies require you to register the MAC address of 
your modem to tie to your account (DHCP has logs you know), University 
students sign up for dorm internet using their mac address (which they 
sometimes rewrite onto their modem), but someone's name is still on the 
'account.'  This is how I think those 'high exposure' for DMCA 
(especially university) handle DMCA to Violator lookups.

One does not need to open up wireshark and start logging traffic for 
awhile.  Sufficient logs with enough detail (IP & MAC + cross reference 
against account holder) & accurate timestamps should be enough to 
identify who is who at what time without violating your customer's 
privacy of their data.

-I

Jerry Richardson wrote:
> OK so let's play out the scenario.
>
> Studio wants ISP send a letter to the customer
> ISP is NAT/DHCP - has no way to know
> Studio gets subpoena
>
> What now? At this point LEA is involved which demands cooperation.
> If the network is open WiFi, then there truly is no way to know.
> If the network is fixed installation, then the ISP "could" provide the 
information.
>
> So assuming it's a fixed installation, the ISP sets up a server with 
Wireshark or other packet capture and stores that data for1 day, 1 
week, 1 month? 
>
> At this point is the ISP breaking any privacy laws of customers that are 
NOT named in the subpoena? Not if the customer's TOA indicated that their 
Internet traffic MAY be stored and analyzed under legal request by LEA.
>
>
> Mind you this is all hypothetical. I'm just trying to understand the 
potential impact and exposire on the part of the ISP.
>
>
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:48 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
>
>   
>> So what does the law require?
>> 
>
> It doesn't.
>
>   
>> Is this a case for why providing Internet services without a static 
public
>> 
> IP exposed the ISP to legal suit?
>
> If the law changes and says each customer is required to have a public 
IP,
> then ISPs need to be provided as such.
>
> Keep in mind, too, that IPs are dynamic with most ISPs.  Don't forget 
that
> the "I have an open WiFi don't blame me" case still works.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jerry Richardson 
   
>> wrote:
>> 
>
>   
>> good point.
>>
>> So what does the law require?
>>
>> Is this a case for why providing Internet services without a static 
public
>> IP exposed the ISP to legal suit?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:31 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
>>
>> That works for current infringements but what about those last night? 
last
>> week? last month?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
>> --- Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson <
>> jrichard...@aircloud.com
>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>   
>>> So if you are running a NAT/DHCP network, how would you find the
>>>   
>> offending
>> 
>>>

Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2

[Nick Olsen]

I'm also looking for these, So +1 :)

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Steve Barnes" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2

Need NS2's anyone have them?

Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN<http://www.pcswin.com/>
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service<http://www.rcwifi.com/>

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of 
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition 
inspired, and success achieved.
- Helen Keller

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Behalf Of Lists
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service!

I know that many WISPs are Veterans.  I think the business of being a WISP 
sort of attracts the vets.  It is the business of going where no one has 
gone before, making it work and storming the path.

I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve!
To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi!

God bless,
Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

[Nick Olsen]

Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is 
a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

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From: "Marco Coelho" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
heat.

-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

[Nick Olsen]

This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G

I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard "we'll think 
about it" answer.

1. Ability to label ports
2. Ability to label vlans
3. Ability to disable a port

All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware 
size to implement.

In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome 
switch.

Nick Olsen
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From: "Tom DeReggi" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

There are several classes of VLAN switches.

I'll use SMC as an example...

1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very 

intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each 

port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their 
Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done. 
But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to 
configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They 
make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end 
location switches.

2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with 
VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual 

purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They 

lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or 
disable like "VLAN Aware" that may not be specific on what VLAN 
functionality is enabled by making it aware.
It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because 

the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are 
functional, 
but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as 
described in #2 above.
But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give 

them a step up over other basic web switch products.
Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF 

ports.

I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that 

had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be 
labled in software.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: "Nick Olsen" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

> Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management 
is
> a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
> They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.
>
> Nick Olsen
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
> 
>
> From: "Marco Coelho" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
>
> I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
> They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
> heat.
>
> -- 
> Marco C. Coelho
> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
>
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Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2

[Nick Olsen]

Where from?
Or was this a case of Nick not being able to detect internet sarcasm.

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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:10 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2

The boat has arrived..!  Shesh  I was able to order so 
much
that now I have to find a way to hide it from the wife.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Data Technology
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2

I think they need a bigger boat!!

Robert West wrote:
> Yeah, but I call them by a different name,
> Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure.   It's gotten to the point 
that
> my "substitute" for the NS2 has actually become in use more than what it
has
> been substituted for.  *sigh*
>
> Word has it they're "on the boat".  Always on the boat.
>
> Bob-
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
>
> Need NS2's anyone have them?
>
>
>
> Steve Barnes
> Manager
> PCS-WIN<http://www.pcswin.com/>
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service<http://www.rcwifi.com/>
>
> Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
of
> trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, 
ambition
> inspired, and success achieved.
> - Helen Keller
>
>
> _
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> Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service!
>
>
> I know that many WISPs are Veterans.  I think the business of being a 
WISP
> sort of attracts the vets.  It is the business of going where no one has
> gone before, making it work and storming the path.
>
> I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve!
> To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi!
>
> God bless,
> Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO
> StLouisBroadband.com<http://stlbroadband.com/>
> ShowMeBroadband.com<http://showmebroadband.com/>
> Rural Missouri Wireless Project.
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Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom

[Nick Olsen]

Didn't know the atom boards even had PCI-E
Who makes the Network card?
I know we have a few of the intel 4xgige cards and they work great with 
mikrotik.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:21 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom

Travis,

If the machine is USB or CD bootable boot up a Linux live cd and see if
works.  If it does you know MT is the issue.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> Did you do anything to get the 4 port GigE card working? I purchased the
> single port PCI-E card and can't get it to work. MT doesn't see it at 
all.
> :(
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> We bought several of the Supermicro Atom 330 units, with the case tha t
> has I/O on the front and added a PCI-E Intel GigE 4 port card.
>
> We have been very happy with them, Mikrotik reports 4 CPUS!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
] On
> Behalf Of Nick Olsen
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom
>
> Thats good to hear, I was really looking forward to replacing some of my
>
> boxes with these. I figured router, Pbx, Mail/DNS.
> As each one of those is running on like a p3 or a vm. Router is a amd
> 3000+
> though.
> I just love that these are small, low power, rack mountable, low heat,
> oh
> and cheap.
>
> Nick Olsen
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
> 
>
> From: "Curtis Maurand"  
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:20 AM
> To: "n...@brevardwireless.com"  
 , "WISPA
> General
> List"  
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom
>
> I've had a couple of these things.  I'm currently firewalling an
> insurance company on one (vyatta), I had one firewalling the local
> budweiser distributor (pfsense) and I was using one as a primary
> nameserver (Gentoo Linux).  These things have never even burped.  I have
>
> an intel system that has given me lots of trouble, but these supermicros
>
> just get it done quietly.
>
> Nick Olsen wrote:
>
>
>  Oh I understand that its a barebone system, so it needs ram and
>
>
>  storage.
>
>
>  Realtek nics, I don't really have a comment on. I love the intel
> pro/1000GT's (not realtek, i know), and haven't had much seat time
>
>
>  with a
>
>
>
>  set of realtek's.
> And supermicro stuff is always good. They are bigger in the
> rackmount/server side of the market. I've worked with a lot of it and
>
>
>  its
>
>
>
>  always bulletproof.
>
> Nick Olsen
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
> 
>
> From: "Josh Luthman"
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:07 PM
> To: "n...@brevardwireless.com"  , "WISPA 
General
> List"
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom
>
> It's x86 so it should work.
>
> Doesn't have RAM, you'll need to buy that.
>
> It has Realtek NICs.  Worst things in the world.  Linux hates them
> especially.
>
> However much faith you want to put in "SuperMicro" is up to you - I
>
>
>  have
> no
>
>
>  experience.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Nick Olsen
> wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried Mikrotik on a atom board?
>
> I noticed 
thishttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262
> I think this would make a decent router for the price.
> Your thoughts?
>
> Nick Olsen
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
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[WISPA] Interference Perhaps

[Nick Huanca]

Hi,

We are running into some interference type issues in a few markets with
900MHz. We've put in place some 10 and 20 MHz bandpass to filter cell and
paging. The interference seems to be still bothering our AP. In these
markets we have some antiquated MikroTik equipment running SR9 cards. We
believe this interference to be in-band but have yet to locate the source.

Anyone have any tips/tricks for either avoiding this interference or
locating its source? If we do locate it, any tips on how to get them to play
nice?

-- 
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Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas

[Nick Olsen]

If you have a webserver (which I assume you do). You can download the mini 
speedtest from the speedtest.net site. Then you can run a speedtest from 
your colo to the client. That way they are pulling bandwidth from something 
at the same point as your transport and that should be the speed they can 
reach on the net if they find something that can hand them that much 
bandwidth.

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From: "George Morris" 
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 2:03 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas

This is quite confusing that you have no control over AirMAX at the client
end. I'm more used to Nstreme where both ends have to be set the same.

Saying that, its really cool that you don't have to worry about the 
client,
just shift the AP in and out of AirMAX to suit and the client follows
automatically.

Its going to be very, very cool once this firmware becomes just a little
more mature.

We already have customers hanging off a Rocket sector / Nano 5M client 
that
are getting 36Mb symmetrical into a speedtest.net server in Montreal. The
big challenge now is to find an Internet speedtest server capable of
reliably delivering real readings to the customers. A nice problem to 
have.

Merry Christmas to all of you and a happy, healthy and prosperous New 
Year!!

George 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 10:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas

I tried it both ways but probably missed the settign when I had the BM5 in
AP mode. Will retry. Thanks! -RickG

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Robert West
wrote:

> If the Bullet 5M is in station mode then you won't have the AirMax 
> option, only if it's in AP mode.  So, if you are not in AP mode on the 
> 5M then AirMax isn't an issue.  Have you tried setting the 5M as the 
> AP the NS5 as the client?  That's if you are doing this on the 
> bench..  :)  Make sure you have the firmware up to date on the NS5 
> as well.  All the ones I've been installing are the M5 as the AP.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of RickG
>  Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 12:12 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas
>
> Not finding that. See attached. Do you have version5? I note in the 
> ubnt forums says you cant disable it. Aslo attached. -RickG
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
> > In the Advanced tab you'll see "Enable AirMax". If it's not checked 
> > then it's off.  If it's on, you won't even see the SSID of the newer 
> > units from the old, at least I haven't been able to.  But I've been 
> > connecting my older NS5's to the newer stuff with no problem but 
> > I've only been using 20mhz channels.  Are you doing 20mhz or 10?  
> > Try doing a plain vanilla config on both sides and see if you can
connect.
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On Behalf Of RickG
> > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:27 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas
> >
> > Trying to get a bullet5 to connect to a Bullet5M. Not much luck. How 
> > do you turn off TDMA? -RickG
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Robert West
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm confused.  Will it connect to a AirGrid 5 or maybe a 
> > > NanoStation
> 5M?
> > >
> > > The older Bullet 5 will connect to them but AirMax has to be 
> > > turned off because the older equipment doesn't support TDMA.
> > >
> > > Sucks.  I heard that the older "could" run TDMA but it's too much 
> > > for
> > them
> > > to be stable. At least that's the story.
> > >
> > > Bob-
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > > On Behalf Of RickG
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:35 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas
> > >
> > > Will a Bullet5 connect to a B5M?
> > > -RickG
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Robert West
> > > wrote:
> >

Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas

[Nick Olsen]

I Have to say, From what I've done with UBNT gear, Its been working really 
well. And its all very priced very well. MT has some major competition with 
them in the picture. 

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Mike Hammett" 
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 3:17 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas

I actually prefer it that way, though I haven't used AirMax yet.  Then you 

don't have to worry about leaving a CPE stranded if you forget to change 
the 
setting.

I can't wait for stable firmware and stocking to take advantage of this. 
I'm seriously considering leaving MT wireless for UBNT wireless (retaining 

MT for everything else).

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

--
From: "George Morris" 
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 1:03 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas

> This is quite confusing that you have no control over AirMAX at the 
client
> end. I'm more used to Nstreme where both ends have to be set the same.
>
> Saying that, its really cool that you don't have to worry about the 
> client,
> just shift the AP in and out of AirMAX to suit and the client follows
> automatically.
>
> Its going to be very, very cool once this firmware becomes just a little
> more mature.
>
> We already have customers hanging off a Rocket sector / Nano 5M client 
> that
> are getting 36Mb symmetrical into a speedtest.net server in Montreal. 
The
> big challenge now is to find an Internet speedtest server capable of
> reliably delivering real readings to the customers. A nice problem to 
> have.
>
> Merry Christmas to all of you and a happy, healthy and prosperous New 
> Year!!
>
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 10:48 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas
>
> I tried it both ways but probably missed the settign when I had the BM5 
in
> AP mode. Will retry. Thanks! -RickG
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
>> If the Bullet 5M is in station mode then you won't have the AirMax
>> option, only if it's in AP mode.  So, if you are not in AP mode on the
>> 5M then AirMax isn't an issue.  Have you tried setting the 5M as the
>> AP the NS5 as the client?  That's if you are doing this on the
>> bench..  :)  Make sure you have the firmware up to date on the NS5
>> as well.  All the ones I've been installing are the M5 as the AP.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of RickG
>>  Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 12:12 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas
>>
>> Not finding that. See attached. Do you have version5? I note in the
>> ubnt forums says you cant disable it. Aslo attached. -RickG
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Robert West
>> wrote:
>>
>> > In the Advanced tab you'll see "Enable AirMax". If it's not checked
>> > then it's off.  If it's on, you won't even see the SSID of the newer
>> > units from the old, at least I haven't been able to.  But I've been
>> > connecting my older NS5's to the newer stuff with no problem but
>> > I've only been using 20mhz channels.  Are you doing 20mhz or 10?
>> > Try doing a plain vanilla config on both sides and see if you can
> connect.
>> >
>> > Bob-
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> > On Behalf Of RickG
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:27 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas
>> >
>> > Trying to get a bullet5 to connect to a Bullet5M. Not much luck. How
>> > do you turn off TDMA? -RickG
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Robert West
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'm confused.  Will it connect to a AirGrid 5 or maybe a
>> > > NanoStation
>> 5M?
>> > >
>> > > The older Bullet 5 will connect to them but AirMax has to be
>> > > turned off because the older equipment doesn't support TDMA.

[WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

[Nick Olsen]

We have a customer that is playing host to some Russian Guests, They are 
trying to connect to a checkpoint vpn in moscow.
It looks like it is standard IPsec. It won't connect on our network, But 
will on other networks. We've torched to hell and back on what might be 
happening. But because of language barriers and the fact that they can't 
leave the facility they are at, or set us up any type of test VPN we could 
test with to fix the problem we have come to a standstill on what to do. 
Our network is all mikrotik based. What we were hoping for is if anyone had 
a check point vpn/firewall we could test with or if anyone had any insight 
on getting it to play nice with mikrotik.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106



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Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

[Nick Olsen]

Its all public till there location. They have a rb750 with a static IP, 
doing nat.
We have also tried Bridging it and giving a standard linksys another IP 
thus bypassing the RB750's nat, and that didn't work either.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
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From: "Ryan Spott" 
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:02 PM
To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

All public IPs or do you have NAT anywhere?

ryan

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Nick Olsen  
wrote:
> We have a customer that is playing host to some Russian Guests, They are
> trying to connect to a checkpoint vpn in moscow.
> It looks like it is standard IPsec. It won't connect on our network, But
> will on other networks. We've torched to hell and back on what might be
> happening. But because of language barriers and the fact that they can't
> leave the facility they are at, or set us up any type of test VPN we 
could
> test with to fix the problem we have come to a standstill on what to do.
> Our network is all mikrotik based. What we were hoping for is if anyone 
had
> a check point vpn/firewall we could test with or if anyone had any 
insight
> on getting it to play nice with mikrotik.
>
> Nick Olsen
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

[Nick Olsen]

We have opened all of the ports to there router. I'm trying right now to 
see if dstnating everything to one laptop will make it work but I don't 
think so since they never have to do that.
But here is the weird part. On torch when we see the attempt the dst
ip is 192.168.0.4 which isn't going to work. A packet capture on the
laptop shows it attempting to hit the real public IP space 195something
But I don't see it on torch.
We have opened all ports to it.
3rd part. If I do some routing black magic and dst nat 192.168.0.4 to
195something it connects, but they can't pass any traffic over it.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Jerry Richardson" 
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:20 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

More:
Port 443 and 444 need to be open

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

This is specific to Checkpoint VPN:

Allow the following services:

TCP/264 (Topology Download)
TCP/256
UDP 259
IKE
IPSEC and IKE (UDP on port 500)
IPSEC ESP (IP type 50)
IPSEC AH (IP type 51)
TCP/500 (if using IKE over TCP)
UDP 2746 or another port (if using UDP encapsulation)

SecureClient specific connections:

FW1_scv_keep_alive (UDP port 18233) - used for SCV keep-alive packets
FW1_pslogon_NG (TCP port 18231) or (TCP port 65524 for Application 
Intelligence) - used for SecureClient's logon to Policy Server protocol
FW1_sds_logon (TCP port 18232) - used for SecureClient's Software 
Distribution 
Server download protocol
tunnel_test (UDP port 18234) - used by Check Point tunnel testing 
application

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:12 AM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

Perhaps this will help
http://www.spywarepoint.com/ipsec-ports-t43658.html

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:55 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

We have a customer that is playing host to some Russian Guests, They are 
trying to connect to a checkpoint vpn in moscow.
It looks like it is standard IPsec. It won't connect on our network, But 
will on other networks. We've torched to hell and back on what might be 
happening. But because of language barriers and the fact that they can't 
leave the facility they are at, or set us up any type of test VPN we could 

test with to fix the problem we have come to a standstill on what to do. 
Our network is all mikrotik based. What we were hoping for is if anyone had 

a check point vpn/firewall we could test with or if anyone had any insight 

on getting it to play nice with mikrotik.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106



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Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

[Nick Olsen]

Yeah, Were going to try that next. Have to wait till the english speaking 
tech gets back

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Jerry Richardson" 
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:27 PM
To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

I think this was mentioned, but what is you bypass the routers and connect 
the laptop directly to the network?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

We have opened all of the ports to there router. I'm trying right now to 
see if dstnating everything to one laptop will make it work but I don't 
think so since they never have to do that.
But here is the weird part. On torch when we see the attempt the dst
ip is 192.168.0.4 which isn't going to work. A packet capture on the
laptop shows it attempting to hit the real public IP space 195something
But I don't see it on torch.
We have opened all ports to it.
3rd part. If I do some routing black magic and dst nat 192.168.0.4 to
195something it connects, but they can't pass any traffic over it.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Jerry Richardson" 
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:20 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

More:
Port 443 and 444 need to be open

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

This is specific to Checkpoint VPN:

Allow the following services:

TCP/264 (Topology Download)
TCP/256
UDP 259
IKE
IPSEC and IKE (UDP on port 500)
IPSEC ESP (IP type 50)
IPSEC AH (IP type 51)
TCP/500 (if using IKE over TCP)
UDP 2746 or another port (if using UDP encapsulation)

SecureClient specific connections:

FW1_scv_keep_alive (UDP port 18233) - used for SCV keep-alive packets
FW1_pslogon_NG (TCP port 18231) or (TCP port 65524 for Application 
Intelligence) - used for SecureClient's logon to Policy Server protocol
FW1_sds_logon (TCP port 18232) - used for SecureClient's Software 
Distribution 
Server download protocol
tunnel_test (UDP port 18234) - used by Check Point tunnel testing 
application

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:12 AM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

Perhaps this will help
http://www.spywarepoint.com/ipsec-ports-t43658.html

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:55 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall

We have a customer that is playing host to some Russian Guests, They are 
trying to connect to a checkpoint vpn in moscow.
It looks like it is standard IPsec. It won't connect on our network, But 
will on other networks. We've torched to hell and back on what might be 
happening. But because of language barriers and the fact that they can't 
leave the facility they are at, or set us up any type of test VPN we could 


test with to fix the problem we have come to a standstill on what to do. 
Our network is all mikrotik based. What we were hoping for is if anyone had 


a check point vpn/firewall we could test with or if anyone had any insight 


on getting it to play nice with mikrotik.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




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Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

[Nick Olsen]

Not really. Being in Asia and all.
We have had this happen to us before. Just have to wait for them to go 
away.

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Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:32 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

Does anyone have any experience with having an attack done on your domain
where the sender spoofs the header and then puts your domain in it as the
sender. I think this is called a JoeJob and we are getting 1000's of the
bounced messages because of it and are now having difficulty sending to 
some
of the bigger email providers like aol, yahoo, and hotmail. I tracked the
originating IP down to somewhere in Asia and reported them to the holder 
of
the Whois information there. Anything else I can do?

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
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Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

[Nick Olsen]

This assumes that the receiving party drops mail based on SPF.
And still, most of the time it will bounce the message saying it failed 
spam checks or something like that.

Nick Olsen
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From: "Matt Hardy" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:08 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

You can implement the use of SPF records in your dns/mx settings. This
will tell mail servers which use SPF checking (which many do) to only
allow mail from your domain name to come from the mail servers / IPs
that you specify (in the SPF records) are allowed. Any mail coming from
non-allowed IPs are blocked...

-Matt 

On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 10:31 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with having an attack done on your 
domain
> where the sender spoofs the header and then puts your domain in it as 
the
> sender. I think this is called a JoeJob and we are getting 1000's of the
> bounced messages because of it and are now having difficulty sending to 
some
> of the bigger email providers like aol, yahoo, and hotmail. I tracked 
the
> originating IP down to somewhere in Asia and reported them to the holder 
of
> the Whois information there. Anything else I can do?
> 
>  
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?

[Nick Olsen]

You'll never catch everything. Once its encrypted its really hard to 
block.
What your better off doing is blocking what you can, And when you have a 
problem, Queue that user down to something you see acceptable. I've had 
people yell and scream that you can't do this, Like comcast got nailed for. 
But the catch is, They were doing it all the time. Not only when there was 
congestion/high latency on the network.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
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From: "Jayson Baker" 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:39 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?

MikroTik firewall filter rule using the all-p2p matcher and drop as 
action?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Roman  wrote:

> Dear readers,
>
> Do you have any experience with successful blocking of P2P (eDonkey,
> Torrents etc.) traffic in your wireless networks?
>
> Any user who uses torrent client at his PC can effectively consume a lot 
of
> bandwidth of Wi-Fi access point, leaving other honest users with small
> portion of throughput. Port blocking does not help because nowadays P2P
> clients use random ports, encryption and other means to hide traffic
> patterns. I suppose that only one distinctive feature of such traffic
> exists: its ability to consume effective bandwidth.
>
> Do you happen to know or use any traffic shaping tools which can limit
> throughput per user?
> Thank you in advance for any thoghts, ideas etc...
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Nick Olsen]

I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the new 
one I'm liking is the 1810G-24
24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect..

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Tom DeReggi" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 
(These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are 
similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX 
per port, not simultaneous.  For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be 
necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX 
on the backbone port, and sort through it.

But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for 
you, shortly..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

> Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch
> do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the
> same time. Thx for info.
>
> Thanks,
> 'S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, "Tom DeReggi"
>  wrote:
>
>> Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info.
>>
>> SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port
>> (w/ 4
>> fiber module ports) model is about $750.
>> It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good
>> monitoring
>> stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc)
>>
>> SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you
>> cant
>> label ports with names.
>>
>> Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300
>> range.  And
>> there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type.
>>
>> NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but
>> lacks a few
>> VLAN features, but allows ports to have names..
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
>>
>>
>>> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
>>> for
>>> recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port
>>> units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Nick Olsen]

Can't say I have. But its been a busy switch, And it hasn't missed a beat. 
Only thing is, I wish it had SSH. Hit me off list if you want to take a 
look at the web management interface.

Nick Olsen
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(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:39 PM
To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

Nick-
Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP ProCurve 
1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 Switch Series 
http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc 

It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a 
bit more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 
port version.  Any experience with the 2810 series?  Thanks in advance.

`S

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the 
new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24
24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect..

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Tom DeReggi" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 
(These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are 
similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or 
RX 
per port, not simultaneous.  For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be 

necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX 

on the backbone port, and sort through it.

But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check 
for 
you, shortly..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

> Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch
> do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the
> same time. Thx for info.
>
> Thanks,
> 'S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, "Tom DeReggi"
>  wrote:
>
>> Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info.
>>
>> SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port
>> (w/ 4
>> fiber module ports) model is about $750.
>> It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good
>> monitoring
>> stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc)
>>
>> SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you
>> cant
>> label ports with names.
>>
>> Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300
>> range.  And
>> there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type.
>>
>> NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but
>> lacks a few
>> VLAN features, but allows ports to have names..
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
>>
>>
>>> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
>>> for
>>> recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port
>>> units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] multiple networks on one cable...

[Nick Olsen]

Shouldn't be a problem, I Would do it with vlan's though.

Nick Olsen
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From: "Mark McElvy" 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:08 PM
To: "Mikrotik discussions" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Subject: [WISPA] multiple networks on one cable...

I am moving my servers to a new location in the same building. I only
have 2 Ethernet runs from the current room to the new. I also have
several networks to move. What would it hurt to have several different
IP networks traveling across a single cable for say a week as I moved
the servers, ie, 10.25.1.x and 172.22.1.x and 172.22.255.x all plugged
into the same switch?

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Re: [WISPA] bandwidth testing at 1-2 Gb/s

[Nick Olsen]

I would say there is no real easy way to test it.
Atleast not outside of your network and a hop or two upstream.
Maybe find someone near you that has that kind of bandwidth also.
I know TW Telecom has iperf servers you can test your connection on. But 
only if your their customer. Maybe your provider has something similar.

Nick Olsen
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From: "Marco Coelho" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:31 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] bandwidth testing at 1-2 Gb/s

I'm adding 2 diverse 1 Gigabit / sec pipes to my network through a
7606 Cisco router.

The first question is other than testing one pipe against the other,
how do you test a 1 gig pipe for throughput?
If I just test against myself, I won't be able to determine where the
problem is.
I've had a hard time even finding a decent external test site to test
customers 50M connections.

Anyone in the North / East Texas area needing bandwidth, I'm upgrading
all my tower backhauls to either 440M or full 1G for the first few
hops.  So anywhere within 70 miles of Greenville, Texas we should have
lot's of pipe available at a very reasonable price.

Marco

-- 
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Nick Olsen]

The 1810G-24 can. The 1800-24 & 8 can't.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "John Thomas" 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:20 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

Try to find out what mac address is on which port-you can't do that with 
the HP 1800's, you need something higher up the food chain.

John

Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
> Nick-
> Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP 
ProCurve 1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 
Switch Series http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc 
>
> It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a 
bit more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 
port version.  Any experience with the 2810 series?  Thanks in advance.
>
> `S
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
>
> I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the 
new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24
> 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect..
>
> Nick Olsen
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
> 
>
> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
>
> Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 
> (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are 

> similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or 
RX 
> per port, not simultaneous.  For example To Do Calea monitoring it would 
be 
> necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and 
RX 
> on the backbone port, and sort through it.
>
> But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check 
for 
> you, shortly..
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
>
>   
>> Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch
>> do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the
>> same time. Thx for info.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> 'S
>>
>> ---
>> Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, "Tom DeReggi"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info.
>>>
>>> SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port
>>> (w/ 4
>>> fiber module ports) model is about $750.
>>> It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good
>>> monitoring
>>> stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc)
>>>
>>> SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you
>>> cant
>>> label ports with names.
>>>
>>> Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300
>>> range.  And
>>> there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type.
>>>
>>> NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but
>>> lacks a few
>>> VLAN features, but allows ports to have names..
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
>>>> for
>>>> recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port
>>>> units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- 
>>>> --- 
>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Nick Olsen]

Not that I'm aware of. I'm sure some of the higher end switches do it 
(cisco..ect..)
RouterOS always does it for me.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Tom DeReggi" 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 10:27 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

Can any of these GB switches (or any brand) give realtime statistics on 
mbps 
passing through a router port?

I recognize SNMP can query a port's packet count, and the math done via a 
third party utility. But I'm refering to logging in via telnet or web, and 

having an easy weay to watch the throughput passing?

The reason I'm asking is that this is relevent for Bandwdith testing of 
Backbones, where one can always run an end to end bandwdith test, but taht 

is meaning less if the pre-existing capacity used is not identified. This 
is 
one reason we use Linux routers at each hop, is we can watch all traffic 
per 
hop. Wondering if any switches can relicate that for us?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: "John Thomas" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

> Thanks, that is good to know. It looks like the 1810G-24 can be upstream
> powered using POE. That could be a good thing for a WISP.
>
> John
>
>
> Nick Olsen wrote:
>> The 1810G-24 can. The 1800-24 & 8 can't.
>>
>> Nick Olsen
>> Brevard Wireless
>> (321) 205-1100 x106
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: "John Thomas" 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:20 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
>>
>> Try to find out what mac address is on which port-you can't do that 
with
>> the HP 1800's, you need something higher up the food chain.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>>
>>> Nick-
>>> Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP
>>>
>> ProCurve 1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810
>> Switch Series http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc
>>
>>> It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering 
a
>>>
>> bit more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 

>> 48
>> port version.  Any experience with the 2810 series?  Thanks in advance.
>>
>>> `S
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On
>>>
>> Behalf Of Nick Olsen
>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
>>>
>>> I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But 
the
>>>
>> new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24
>>
>>> 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect..
>>>
>>> Nick Olsen
>>> Brevard Wireless
>>> (321) 205-1100 x106
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
>>>
>>> Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2
>>> (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which 
are
>>>
>>
>>
>>> similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX 

>>> or
>>>
>> RX
>>
>>> per port, not simultaneous.  For example To Do Calea monitoring it 
would
>>>
>> be
>>
>>> necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, 
and
>>>
>> RX
>>
>>> on the backbone port, and sort through it.
>>>
>>> But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and 
check
>>>
>> for
>>
>>> you, shortly..
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendation

Re: [WISPA] power

[Nick Olsen]

I'd turn it down till you hit about a -60 signal wise or in the 50's 
somewhere. should give you the best results.

Nick Olsen
Network Engineer / Customer Support
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "RickG" 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] power

OK, I need a little input. I've got several "poor mans repeaters" around 
by
using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, 
I
installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the
AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got
3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial 
basis
or is there some kind of method to it?
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Re: [WISPA] interesting results

[Nick Olsen]

So if I follow, You hooked people to your backhaul radio, And the CPE was a 
NS5?
If I'm not mistaken, The default antenna setting on the NS5's is Adaptive, 
so it will pick. Let me know if I'm way off on the scenario...

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Network Engineer / Customer Support
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "RickG" 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] interesting results

I dont know if this is a question as much as a statement of interest. I've
had a few customer that wanted faster speeds and couldnt wait until my 
5GHz
sectors were up. So, I used a NS5 and connected right off my backhaul 
grids
and they worked great. I dont plan to leave them on the backhauls but it
works for now. The interesting part is my installer set up a 3rd customer
today but he didnt realize my backhauls are H-Pol. He actually got higher
signal and faster speed tests then the other two! Now I'm confused!
(Backhauls are WRAP/StarOS with 21DB grids.)
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Re: [WISPA] interesting results

[Nick Olsen]

o.0
strange

Nick Olsen
Network Engineer / Customer Support
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "RickG" 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:43 PM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] interesting results

You got it except, the installer set it for v-pol because it worked better
than h-pol! Go figure?

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Nick Olsen  
wrote:

> So if I follow, You hooked people to your backhaul radio, And the CPE was 
a
> NS5?
> If I'm not mistaken, The default antenna setting on the NS5's is 
Adaptive,
> so it will pick. Let me know if I'm way off on the scenario...
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Engineer / Customer Support
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
> 
>
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:04 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] interesting results
>
> I dont know if this is a question as much as a statement of interest. 
I've
> had a few customer that wanted faster speeds and couldnt wait until my
> 5GHz
> sectors were up. So, I used a NS5 and connected right off my backhaul
> grids
> and they worked great. I dont plan to leave them on the backhauls but it
> works for now. The interesting part is my installer set up a 3rd 
customer
> today but he didnt realize my backhauls are H-Pol. He actually got 
higher
> signal and faster speed tests then the other two! Now I'm confused!
> (Backhauls are WRAP/StarOS with 21DB grids.)
> -RickG
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] power

[Nick Olsen]

Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 range. 
Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. As 
its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other 
interference.

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From: "RickG" 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] power

Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level 
is?
I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

> I have a few like that.  Cheap and quick for low density population.  Use 
a
> pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP.  Check 
your
> polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio.  My
> grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well.  Vertical of course!
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] power
>
> OK, I need a little input. I've got several "poor mans repeaters" around 
by
> using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. 
Today,
> I
> installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from 
the
> AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he 
got
> 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial 
basis
> or is there some kind of method to it?
> -RickG
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet

[Nick Olsen]

Don't see why not.
I've seen them do more then 25mb/s easy.

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From: "Jerry Richardson" 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:45 AM
To: "WISPA General List" , "motor...@afmug.com" 

Subject: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet

Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare.

I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the 
weekend. Think it will work out?

The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate.

[cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320]
Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi

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Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet

[Nick Olsen]

I've got it if you/anyone needs it. you=op

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From: "Michael Baird" 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:05 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet

I've got BulletM's doing 30 mb over a 10 mile shot on 20mhz wide 
channel. Make sure you get the latest super secret firmware (5.1.1) 
though, to avoid the WDS/Arp issues.

Regards
Michael Baird
> Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no 
spare.
>
> I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the 
weekend. Think it will work out?
>
> The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Firefox add-in

[Nick Olsen]

Maybe IE Tab will work for you guys. Basically, It uses the IE engine 
inside of Firefox. Good for going to sites that don't work with Firefox. 
(like windows update)

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From: "Scott Reed" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:45 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Firefox add-in

Actually what is used is a IE add-in (not and .asp) that allows IE to 
start an executable. It is used to allow a hyperlink to start Winbox and 
putty. 
We have searched for something that will work in FireFox, but I suspect 
Mozilla is security conscious enough that there is no way to make it 
happen. 
So, if someone can point us to a way to get FireFox to launch a .exe,  
Steve will no longer be tied to IE.

Steve Barnes wrote:
> The company that supports us has a in-house Admin system that works 
really well. It is a home-grown admin system that gives us customer 
tracking and all.  There are links on the customer record to ping the 
customer radio, a hyperlink to the radio IP so that it opens a new tab in 
windows and allows us to login to a Tranzeo or a UBNT radio. There is also 
a link to allow us to winbox or putty into that customers AP.  This all 
works great, in Microsoft Internet Explorer.  It takes a .asp IE add-in to 
allow all the links to work.  We have not been able to find such a add-in 
for Firefox.  I am sorry I cannot give any more info than that as I am not 
a programmer and don't know how that all works.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] -48vdc Gigabit switch

[Nick Olsen]

Define arm and a leg.
If I understand correctly, The HP Procurve 1810G-24 and the 1810G-8 (24 and 
8 port respectively) Can be powered by POE, If that is a option for you. I 
think its around $400.

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From: "Roger Howard" 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:20 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] -48vdc Gigabit switch

Anyone heard of a gigabit switch that runs on -48vdc that doesn't cost
an arm and a leg? Only need a few ports, 8-16 would do. preferably
rackmountable.

I can find plenty of inexpensive gigabit switches, but they normally
don't list their power supply voltage, or they list 110v

Another option is maybe a 12 or 24v and I can get a DC-DC converter.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions

[Nick Olsen]

Well, This would be a little more time consuming. And would need a hell of 
a cacti box. But you could SNMP hit each customers CPE device if it 
supports it. That would be quite the load for the cacti box though.

I second cacti easy though.
We have a box running CactiEZ with 68 sensors on it, and it sits around all 
day doing nothing in terms of hardware usage. Every time I've tried it in a 
VM its had bad performance issues around 20 sensors. 

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From: "Steven McGehee" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 4:49 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions

We're also big fans and long time users of Cacti, so I'd happily 
recommend it as well.

On 3/30/2010 16:46, Justin Wilson wrote:
>  Cacti would be what I would start with.  I have set it up where 
business
> customers have their own individual logins and can see just the graphs 
you
> want them to.  It has built in graphs for 95th percentile.  There is a
> plugin called nectar which allows you to have graphs e-mailed. You can 
also
> install the flowview plugin.
>
>  Not sure how to get it talking to freeside though.
>   --
> Justin Wilson
> http://www.mtin.net
> http://www.metrospan.net
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>
>
> From: Matt Larsen - Lists
> Reply-To: WISPA General List
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:24:20 -0600
> To: Mikrotik discussions, WISPA General 
List
> 
> Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions
>
> Hello list,
>
> I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly
> bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a
> hard time coming up with a good solution.
>
> Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate
> three things:
>
>  1)  Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers and
> that is in a database form that we can perform queries on
>  2)  Data that can be exported to our customer portal page that will
> show customers how much bandwidth they have consumed since the first of
> each month
>  3)  A batch file showing customers over their thresholds that we 
can
> import into our billing system (Freeside) at the end of the month so we
> can bill overages
>
> Our system is setup as follows:
>
>  1)  StarOS access points
>  2)  OSPF backbone back to two separate 50 meg Internet backbone 
links
>  3)  Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location
>  4)  StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location
>  5)  Mikrotik edge routers connected to the Internet backbone
>
> Radius accounting is not an option, due to inaccurate IP accounting
> information returned by the StarOS APs.   PPPoE is also not an option as
> we have 2000+ customers in place and not all of the hardware would
> easily convert to PPPoE.
>
> Ideally, the data should be collectable at the Mikrotik core routers, as
> that is the place where all of the private IP traffic is still in its
> pre-NAT status.   We have been trying to keep track of it with Netflow
> data from our Mikrotik core routers, but it does not seem to be accurate
> and there are documented problems with the Mikrotik Netflow exports.  We
> have confirmed that the data we have been collecting is not accurate,
> and I have no intention on billing a customer based on inaccurate data.
>
> We have a couple of reporting engines that we have tried, with mixed
> levels of success.   I did contact Brandon Checketts about his program,
> which was close to what we wanted, but it is out of date and he was not
> responsive so our efforts are focused on either using something open
> source that we can modify or just buying an appliance that will do what
> we need.   My preference is to go open source because we have multiple
> backbone connections and also because I have several consulting
> customers who want to have similar setups put in place on their
> networks.   Also, I want to make sure that this is "revenue neutral" and
> can pay for for itself in the overage billing after it is installed.
>
> We can install either a switch or a transparent bandwidth monitoring
> server of some kind between the core and NAT servers to collect the data
> flows.My lead tech and I are both Linux savvy, and would prefer
> something that runs on Linux.
>
> I recall that Travis Johnson posted a description of an open source,
> linux-based system that he uses to track bandwidth, but I cannot find
> the email where he lays all of the elements out.   Does anyone have any
> recommendations for this situation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] What Dual Lan Router

[Nick Olsen]

Depends on what you want to do with it.
In terms of what to use both connections for.
Failover, Load Balancing...etc...

I've had good luck with the mikrotik PCC stuff when it comes to 2 upstreams 
that are being nat'ed. Its in the wiki somewhere.

Nick Olsen
Network Engineer / Customer Support
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "RickG" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:36 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What Dual Lan Router

I liked the Hotbrick and how it works but it became flaky after
awhile. Switched to a Linksys and got more reliablity. I'm thinking MT
woudl be best but never tried it.
-RickG

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:33 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:
> What Dual Wan Routers do you recommend. I now use the Hotbrick LB2, but I 
is
> now requiring rebooting too often.
> Thanx
> NGL
>
>
>
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[WISPA] Outsourced Tech support options?

[Nick Olsen]

We are looking for a tech support option for our hotspot users only. 
Somewhere to send our hotspot tech support calls to after hours or when 
were unavailable.  This would be low volume. Any ideas?

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released

[Nick Olsen]

Thats not true, They my M2 sees everything from 2402.00 to 2477.00
And turning on my Microwave makes the high side above 2450 go crazy. It won't 
go any higher then power of -10, and it pegs that.

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From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 10:10 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released

Ubnt radios won't see non-802.11 stuff though...

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts."
--- Winston Churchill

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Michael Baird  wrote:

> You can pick up one for $75 and put an Omni on it.
>
> It's pretty good, uses the same interface as their airview analyzers,
> puts the AP into spectrum analysis mode and talks to a java client
> running on your desktop.
>
> I imagine most any wireless vendor carries them, the big deal with this
> public release is they finally can handle noise properly and it doesn't
> cause a reassociation.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
> > I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these for
> > each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower
> location.
> > How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
> > Scriv
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Robert West >wrote:
> >
> >
> >> UBNT Beta 5.2.4 was released yesterday.  (Stop the eye rolling.!  J )
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm cautious with the Betas so I'm trying the new UBNT AirOS Beta
> firmware
> >> on a couple of unused AP radios out in the field.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Beta has the AirView Spectrum Analyzer in it now.  Works darned
> good,
> >> looks just like the software for the little AirView devices we use.
>  This
> >> one lets me set the channel scan from 4900 to 6400, gives you the
> ability
> >> to
> >> control whatever range you want to monitor.  Nice and smooth.  Downfall
> is
> >> that if you do a spectral scan it takes the radio out of whatever mode
> you
> >> have and it drops the use of the antenna for anything other than the
> >> analyzer.  Expected and understandable, however.  No problem with that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It now has the ability to set Static Routes.  It's about time!  I will
> be
> >> playing with that little feature, off network of course, for the next
> >> couple
> >> of days.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And I can now manually set the time zone and date.  I would have thought
> >> that to be a no brainer from the get go but it's finally included.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Still waiting for VPN functions.  I can always dream.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyone trying it?  Let me know if you find any issues, I'm waiting for a
> >> bit
> >> to see what shakes out before I jump in 100%.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert West
> >>
> >> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> >>
> >> 740-335-7020
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Logo5
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Customers are great

[Nick Olsen]

You have to remember, Only 8% of the worlds Population has common sense.

Nick Olsen

Brevard Wireless


From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:15 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customers are great 

*Slams head on desk*

Does it make any logical sense for those two little rabbit ear
antennas in your house to be able to reach Chicago?

On 5/20/09, Jack Unger  wrote:
> Seriously, "wireless" technology keeps advancing faster than anyone's
> ability to educate the general public about what "wireless" is.
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> I operate a Fixed Wireless ISP in a 1 county area in eastern Indiana.  
I
>> got a call from a client this morning very upset that her internet was
>> down.  My secretary very nicely tried to help the client understand 
that
>> we would help figure out the problem but that we had not received any
>> other calls from other clients on the tower and that we would have a 
tech
>> help her out.
>>
>> The tech gets on the phone and starts looking at the tower and the 
radio
>> to see that there is no issue and can even see that the ARP table shows 
a
>> connection to their router at the house.
>>
>> Tech: So my secretary says that your internet isn't working.
>> Client: Right, it worked earlier today on this same laptop but now
>> nothing.
>> Tech:  Has anything changed today, power blink or anything that you are
>> aware of.
>> Client: not that I know of.
>> Tech: Have you gone through the process of rebooting the Radio and 
Router..
>> Client: How am I supposed to do that.
>> Tech: Just unplug the power to those two units.
>> Client: I can't get to them right now.
>> Tech: Oh I am sorry we must have installed them in a way that is
>> inaccessible, can you tell me how your laptop is hooked up wireless or 
via
>> the Ethernet cable.
>> Client: Well its wireless at home and its wireless here in my car.
>> Tech: Not that it's my business but why are you in your car.
>> Client: I'm on my way to Chicago.
>> Tech: So your not at home.
>> Client: No, 75 miles from home.
>> Tech: Do you have a wireless card from you cellular carrier.
>> Client: No I have your service.  You guys said that if I bought a router 
I
>> could use it anywhere.
>> Tech: Anywhere in your home.
>> Client: What good will that do me in Chicago.
>> Tech: I'm Sorry Our service is a Fixed Wireless internet service to 
your
>> location and the wireless router lets the signal go 300ft at the most.
>> That is your service area. That's what you get for $39 a month.
>> Client: That's really great that's not what I want.  How do I get a
>> contract that will cover the whole country.
>> Tech: Verizon or sprint.
>> Client: But I can't even use my cellophane at home the signal is so 
bad.
>> Tech: It's a better signal then your router will be in Chicago.
>>
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Water tower question

[Nick Olsen]

Bring it down along the ladder? Just drop it all the way down then as you 
descend secure it?

Nick Olsen

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From: "Jason Hensley" 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:14 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Water tower question 

We've gotten access to two water towers that are what I call "bubble"
towers.  An example is here:
http://www.watertowers.com/photos_314_Arboretum_Water_Tower.html

Obviously we'll have to sector around it, etc etc, not worried about that.
Question is, for anyone who has mounted on a tower like this, how do you 
get
your cabling to the ground?  Do you go down the legs or is there some 
other
way to do it?  Only way we've come up with is to either rappel down or 
talk
the fire dept into helping with their ladder truck and bring the cables 
down
one of the legs.  Neither option is very attractive.  Is there some other
way to get the cabling down the tower?  

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Re: [WISPA] mikrotik how to check something other than def gw for link up

[Nick Olsen]

There are scripts on the mikrotik wiki, it will be a script. That will ping 
a device, and if it goes down, you can have it switch default routes, or 
disable a interface, you name it. Check the wiki.

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From: "Alan Long" 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:23 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] mikrotik how to check something other than def gw for link 
up 

I am going to setup a mt 493ah for load balancing, and I see where to 
setup
check for def gw for internet up. How can I set it for checking something
other than def gw, something past the def gw? I posted on mt forum, but no
response yet..Thanks for any help..

Alan

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Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?

[Nick Olsen]

It doesn't work, He talked me into getting one :s
Now for ATT to give me my upgrade....

Nick Olsen

Brevard Wireless

(321) 205-1100 x106


From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:29 AM
To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? 

That's not a bad setup though.  Stop talking your evil to me, you devil!
Outta my head, Satan!!!  

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?

Yeah, my phone on one climb serves the following functions (while on 
tower)

Phone
Email
SSH into gear
Network monitor to make sure all devices are up and running
GPS
Can take nice photos of the equipment and inside box while up there to 
assist memory later
Can adjust level and tilt of radios (yes, phone has precise apps for this 
:)
Mileage log (milog) to capture mileage on way there and back (and 
everywhere else I go)
and probably more I'm not thinking about

No level, no walkie, no computer, no gps, no camera -- just my iPhone 3GS 
(with 2 year $86 replacement insurance from squaretrade)

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
> From: "Chuck Bartosch" 
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:31 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
> 
> The problem then, is that far more of us are going to be using these  
> new fangled devices and aren't going to have so much knowledge (less  
> as time goes on) about the older ones.
> 
> However, until I got my iPhone, I felt *exactly* like you did about  
> cell phones. I had zero use for color and not much more for the  
> camera...and it used to piss me off to no end that Verizon had  
> disabled the ability to send pictures you DID take over blue tooth so  
> you didn't have to pay them their extra fee to send a photo.
> 
> That still grates on me actually, just remembering it ;-).
> 
> It's not that AT&T suddenly gave up all the practices of the Carriers  
> (they did actually give up some though), but that the iPhone (and I  
> hear the Pre is similar) is just so easy to access that functionality  
> and it is s frigging easy to use, and there's so much you can do  
> with so little effort...that it's become a deice I'd find it difficult  
> to work without. Think about it...you're up on a tower and can telnet  
> into a device using your phone, take pictures of the installation,  
> talk to the guy on the ground or the office to coordinate, enter data  
> into a database or check data you need...it's really quite useful.
> 
> Of course, that has nothing to do with your question now.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Aug 21, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Robert West wrote:
> 
> > Well, for one I'm not a cell phone geek.  Geek in everything else  
> > but not
> > the cell.  I prefer a cell phone that makes a phone call and receive  
> > a phone
> > call and that's about it.  It's small, sits in my pocket and if I  
> > trash the
> > thing somehow, no love lost.  (I still use our Motorola Spirit  
> > radios for
> > communication to persons down on the ground while on a tower, I know  
> > I'll
> > always have a signal with those) I also have this huge issue with  
> > having to
> > pay extra to a cell provider to use a feature that has absolutely  
> > nothing to
> > do with them.  The GPS in the phone is in the phone and if I pay them
> > whatever the going rate is plus this fee and that fee, they will be  
> > ever so
> > nice to unlock a feature that was manufactured into my phone that I  
> > own
> > outright but they have been blocking with a software edit.  I also  
> > come from
> > the world of non-integrated components, as in "stereo geek" from the  
> > 70's.
> > I'm on the flip side and could never understand why someone would want
> > everything rolled up in one package.  One part goes bad, you throw  
> > out all
> > the good parts with the bad.   That's probably why I'm a roll your  
> > own kinda
> > wireless provider as well and when I buy this GPS, I'll maybe have  
> > it for 10
> > years at least, the cell phone 2 possibly 3 years on the outside.   
> > Plus,
> > when the cell phone has problems and I have to send it in, replace  
> > it or
> > whatever I'm only out a cell phone, not the other things that