on the detroit garage/house tip:
dj genesis/omar s 'tribute to betty' is a fine release.
james
www.jbucknell.com
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com
Not sure if Scott's still about these parts, so I'll toot my own horn. If
any of the northern crew fancy saying hello, you can find me playing here:
T-FUNKSHUN
FRIDAY 17TH SEPTEMBER
@ MAGNET, Hardman St
9-2am
£4/£5
along with residents:
SCOTT NOCTURNE
DAVID LAWTON
MARK FORSHAW
BEN DEVEREUX
Hope
The answer is: Babe Ruth-The Mexican (1972)
And this snippet is from her discogs page:
A more complete history of The Mexican would be as follows... In 1965
Ennio Morricone wrote the theme music to the Sergio Leone movie 'For a
Few Dollars More' featuring a distinctive whistled tune. Babe Ruth
Hey Hey.
Nice one Tristan, I will try to make it along!
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Rob.
Thank you very very much for that, not only the answer, but the story too.
Does anyone know these tracks?
his
song was then covered by The Bombers in 1978 and again in 1984 by John
Jellybean Benitez, the latter version featuring drum machine
I have 1 (maybe 2?) Bombers records, but don't
I was thinking.
clickwhirrpop
Yesterday, Matt said this:
the one thing you WON'T hear these guys play is hard
techno. So if that's your main interest, (as i realize it is of plenty
on this list... at least historically), you should probably seek it
elsewhere ;)
This is the detroit
Both - does there have to be only one sound?
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Sent: 07 September 2004 09:50
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Detroit Techno
I was thinking.
clickwhirrpop
Yesterday, Matt said this:
the one thing you WON'T
Both - does there have to be only one sound?
No, not at all.
I was just wondering if people thought one way or the other.
Like, for example, I often forget about the harder stuff, when I imagine
that some people actually from the city identify more with that sound and
probably think of that as
I was thinking about this the other night and it often shifts in my
mind but I'd say:
Detroit:
a) Strings
b) Melody
c) Funk
d) Jacked
e) Kick
These are not in any order but I'd say the strongest one for Detroit is
the strings, that's how a lot of people define it. I like all flavours
but
It's interesting to see what people in Detroit might regard as 'Detroit
Techno' isn't it? One problem is that as far as I can understand, the time,
in Detroit, when masses of clubbers (of a broad age range, perhaps) go out
to clubs and listen to 'techno' of any variety, appears to have passed. FOr
With Alex on this. I always think melody, strings and nice padwerk for Det
Tec.
Almost all of my listening is at home and I find it hard to listening hard
industrail stuff on a home rig - albeit thro some huge Mission speakers.
Maybe it's age.
Rav
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Sent: 07 September 2004 09:50
When someone says to you Detroit Techno, what do you
immediately think of?
a) the hard industrial vibe hard music for a hard city?
or
b) the melodic mid-tempo beats of say,
The Babe Ruth version is the famous one in terms of hip hop production. Don't
actually like the tune as a whole, but it's a massively popular (and pretty
heavy) break that's been used on absolutely loads of tracks.
Not too hard to track down the original (despite what people might tell you) +
Martin Dit often shifts in my mind
Yeah, me too.
and I see you think of it differently as well.
e.g. your first answer strings
as opposed to say, the punisher
KenIt's interesting to see what people in Detroit might regard as 'Detroit
Techno' isn't it?
yeah I reckon it is Ken. I reckon I benefit
For me - 'it is what it is' encapsulates everything about Detroit
techno that I love it's the 1st thing I play when trying to
describe techno to someone
p
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That's odd, that was one of the tracks I was going to suggest
as being a piece of dead centre Detroit techno. But having
already mentioned Kaotic Harmony and Icon I figured that
there was a bit too much Derrick May content in my email
already :)
When I first heard It Is What It Is I was
Rare Piece Man Extroadinaire SaidFor me - 'it is what it is' encapsulates
everything about Detroit
techno that I love it's the 1st thing I play when trying to
describe techno to someone
Yep, I get you.
So, I might do a similar thing, for them to turn round and say nah, THIS
is detroit
Mintoresident 313 heckler ;)
Damn it.
I've tried to come up with a good heckle for you.
But, I failed. My 24 hr career as 313's heckler has ended.
Thanks for the tip Minto, gonna track that record down to check.
p.s. package for you and JT leaving today : )
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Sent: 07 September 2004 10:45
Rare Piece Man Extroadinaire SaidFor me - 'it is what it is'
encapsulates everything about Detroit techno that I love
Yep, I get you.
So, I might do a similar thing, for
Martin Dit often shifts in my mind
Yeah, me too.
and I see you think of it differently as well.
e.g. your first answer strings
as opposed to say, the punisher
I just have my Northern Soul and Motown days as well, so Detroit has
always been about the sweet strings in one way or another but
But if you then took 100 Detroit techno records at random,
and listened to them, the overall balance of styles would
eventually suggest that RIOT was a bit nearer the edge, a
bit of an anomaly, while It Is What It Is was nearer the
centre. And the more records you randomly picked out to
play,
Resident Techno Philosopher Brendan wroteBut if you then took 100 Detroit
techno records at random,
and listened to them, the overall balance of styles would
eventually suggest that RIOT was a bit nearer the edge, a
bit of an anomaly, while It Is What It Is was nearer the
centre. And the more
Los Hermanos 'Quetzal' - for me that's the bullseye.
and I'd argue that that record is pretty average.
ha ha ha ha ha, lets argue all day, it's fun.
: )
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Well, I'd ask you to be objective rather than subjective ;)
I love that track...
Martin
On 7 Sep 2004, at 10:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Los Hermanos 'Quetzal' - for me that's the bullseye.
and I'd argue that that record is pretty average.
ha ha ha ha ha, lets argue all day, it's fun.
Hmm.
Maybe my point was, are we in the wrong place to talk about that more
melodic stuff, and the influences for it?
Like, for example, I could talk about wierd electronic disco pieces that
inspired detroit techno all day long,
but, does that get on most peoples nerves?
i.e. are most of the
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Sent: 07 September 2004 11:05
[Quetzal]
Well, I'd ask you to be objective rather than subjective ;)
I love that track...
I'd agree that Quetzal is also pretty near the bullseye,
but would probably say that Birth Of
If I want to convey what Detroit techno is to someone I just lend them
Derick May's Innovator album. For me, that was the sound in its purest, most
isolated state.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: Re:
[Quetzal]
Well, I'd ask you to be objective rather than subjective ;)
I love that track...
I'd agree that Quetzal is also pretty near the bullseye,
but would probably say that Birth Of 3000 is even more so.
But maybe that's just me being subjective, as I prefer the
latter to the former (but
I personally am open to whatever - I think one of the things which makes
Detroit techno so powerful is this sheer depth, range and quality of its
influences - I find it pretty sad when people start policing what can and
cannot be discussed with relation to the music we all love.The sound
Perfectly justified in sticking on the punisher .but the punisher et al.
were 2nd wave Detroit technoat that time there was a lot of german
and Belgian stuff flying around that also had that hard dark edge..
At the time of transmat, metroplex, express, incognito there was
nothing else
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From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 September 2004 10:56
To: Brendan Nelson
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno
I'd agree, some one asked me recent for an example, I told them to buy
Los Hermanos 'Quetzal' - for me that's the
I remember when I first came across that Flash guide to
electronic music that was put together by a bloke called
Ashok or something, which attempted to sum up Detroit
techno with an audio snippet of Hood's Pole Position
and a spiel about how Detroit techno is supposed to make
you feel quite
just to be argumentative as well.
(I love arguing with Martin!)
a) Sunday is the best day of the week!
b) I think the Los Hermanos stuff is pretty nice, but am definitely feeling
some of the stuff from more european based producers more.
(or not exclusively euro stuff) but you know, MOS, Ross154
_
saturday 11th September
Klakson vs. BlackLabel
Live: Dexter Comtron
Dj's: Steffi Sturmey Archer
10pm, 5 euro
Pakhuis Wilhelmina, Amsterdam
_
Next saturday, 11 september - Amsterdam electrofunk labels Klakson and
BlackLabel are throwing down a party at
Ishkur's?
http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html
He's changed the definition and the tunes now!
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From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:31 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Detroit Techno
I remember when I first
Ok, the reason I called on Ian Cheshire to join in is because - now this i
v. apt :-) - he's currently engaged in an intermittent tour in Germany
called 'The Detroit Impressions' tour. And I think the idea is that the
artists involved, inc. Ian, give their own 'impression' of what Detroit
techno
Ishkur's?
http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html
He's changed the definition and the tunes now!
(Perhaps as a response to the flamings!)
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From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:31 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE:
Ian's probably away being an international dj Ken!
btw, for the record, this is exactly what I think too:
(and I think it's pretty much the definitive answer)
For me, Detroit techno
covers a lot of styles. It's hard, or it's purist, or it's melodic, or it's
minimal, or it's electro! :-) Often
with all this talk about nothing..
is detroit techno, techno from detroit only?
or can it come from i.e. rotterdam as well?
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Just a last minute reminder for London peeps. Also, we hear from IOB that
the man will be performing a 2 deck/laptop/Ableton live set and the Live PA
are bringing half a studio with them, so it should be a pretty full on
evening. See below for details.
The Outlet Collective in conjunction with
Also, we hear from IOB that
the man will be performing a 2 deck/laptop/Ableton live set
ooh, good luck with this.
hey, he did a track with Kirk, called Night On The Promenade
It's stunning, really stunning, sounds like Icon or something.
Hope he plays it for you. Guess it's not really
Well, I've pretty much told him to go for it and play what he wants. He's
certainly not going to feel shackled into having to play a Fabric set and I
know hes going to be playing unreleased material, so who knows.
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it's just what Matt said yesterday really made me think about
the other people on this list, and maybe they get a bit hacked
off with me and a few others talking about the kind of
with all this talk about nothing..
us, talk about nothing?
surely not. ; )
is detroit techno, techno from detroit only?
hmm, never did know the answer to that Q.
but, say, that Hal Varian track Catalysm sounds very detroit techno to
me, like Carl Craig in fact.
or can it come from i.e.
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Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2004 11:12 am
Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno
Hmm.
Maybe my point was, are we in the wrong place to talk about that more
melodic stuff, and the influences for it?
Like, for example, I could talk about wierd
Nicked from Martin's site:
(cheers Martin btw)
U2 cover Kraftwerk!
http://www.nme.com/news/109789.htm
I happen to know another band have done a kraftwerk cover.
I was surprised at how good it was. I think it shows that Kraftwerk amongst
other things were truly awesome song writers.
Which is
Ha Ha, thats a good one! I'll have to give that a go when I'm down the
Withdean next! Thats if he actually starts playing well anytime soon!
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Subject: (313) U2 cover Krafty
WIDE OPEN.
Kamal K. Stoddard
Turner Broadcasting Systems
Entech
Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and
becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change.
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KamalWIDE OPEN
sweet!
sometimes I think it's best to check these things once in a while though
right?
p.s. your name sounds like a basketball player's. are you 8 feet tall?
_
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Marsel wrote:
with all this talk about nothing..
is detroit techno, techno from detroit only?
or can it come from i.e. rotterdam as well?
i'd say it has to come from detroit te be called detroit techno [that is,
that's the tendency i see all around].
(detroit) techno started with rhythim
ok, how would you people categorize a record by i.e. Duplex or D5?
:-)
i thought for B12 and Black Dog was the term intelligent techno?
always liked that one
;-)
saw also ambient techno, or ambi-techno being used.
delsin has been called post-detroit
and once somewhere as well soft-techno
I was also thinking that Digital Soul and 11th Hour material could be described
as Detroit techno, but post-Detroit is better I guess.
Actually, no it's not. Post-anything is a horrible term!
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Sent: Tuesday,
that last 11th hour is a killer btw, really digging it. Alex, there´s yer new
tune-tip, go get it. new oliver who is also very good, at least the rmx on it.
get out your wallet and purchase, purchase, purchase.
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From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Well I'd call the new 12 by Matt Chester on 11th Hour brilliant if you
asked me - just trying review it but I just keep drifting off -
thinking about better places to be than grey Sheffield - A2 and B2 are
my picks...
Cheers
Martin
On 7 Sep 2004, at 17:31, Robert Taylor wrote:
I was also
Totally agree!
Ken
courthouse intl. audio
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313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Detroit techno
delsin has been called post-detroit
and once somewhere as well soft-techno
now you see, I'd call Delsin a 'proper' techno label.
but I guess I'd be in the minority.
it has all the hallmarks of what I think techno should be.
thanks for the tip on the 11th hour all, will check!
Thanks to all those who hit me back about my posts.
It seems your getting them and I'm not.
This is due to my mail at work being ed up.
Annoying but I guess when I rely on work for a PC I can't complain - I
should get my own.
But then how would I afford those seductive black shiny discs?
Thanks guys, glad you like it! Your cheques are in the post ;-)
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To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Detroit techno
Totally agree!
Ken
courthouse intl. audio
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Alex I hope your diss of Quetzal doesn't include Tescat or I'm gonna nuke
Irlam Of The Height.
Heh!
I wasn't really dissing it or owt, just saying that I thought it was just
OK, not in my top 100 or owt.
You can't nuke t'heights, it's the new Detroit I'll have you know.
Me/Jonny/Dave/Dunc all
Saw this on LD:
Governor recognizes Mich. contributors to cultural history
August 30, 2004
BY FRANK PROVENZANO
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
Two pioneers of what was once considered underground music will receive the
state's highest recognition for artistic success from Gov. Jennifer Granholm.
But no juan that's f*^%d up
p
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From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 September 2004 18:46
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) May Saunderson Win Awards
Saw this on LD:
Governor recognizes Mich. contributors to cultural history
August 30,
While techno has been embraced by the European masses since the late '80s,
it's only been in the past five years that the men who most people credit
as the godfathers of the music have won broad acclaim in their hometown
Just out of interest, do people from detroit feel they have broad acclaim
in
said Saunderson, 39, preparing to leave
Detroit for a concert tour of Holland, Belgium and Germany.
This line cracked me up!
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Weird reason given for not awarding him isn't it?
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From: placid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:47 PM
To: Robert Taylor; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) May Saunderson Win Awards
But no juan that's f*^%d up
p
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i personally think that statement is bullsh*t.
the last five years? please.yes-that's rightthe
city of detroit _just_ started utilizing may and
saunderson's talents and contributions.suddenly in
1999 the city said 'oh snap-WHO lives here!? well
crap- we should let em spin out some' and
The original question, IIRC, was whether Detroit Techno (as a term)
brought to mind abstract, string-laden melodies (the kind that demand
emotional as well as physical response) or
abstract-minimal-but-bangin' nonetheless tracks like the ones that
have long made Mills famous.
Of course, the
It's amazing to me that the Governors' people didn't more clearly
focus on the Techno then - to DEMF now connection. Making that link
would have allowed them to award May Saunderson, and opt-in *or*
opt out both Atkins Carl Craig.
But sometimes people in government aren't really as good at
The award is not from the city of Detroit but from the state of
Michigan AFAIK but then i am not from Detroit :)
On 7-sep-04, at 19:08, diana potts wrote:
i personally think that statement is bullsh*t.
the last five years? please.yes-that's rightthe
city of detroit _just_ started
Ken - my first Detroit party was the 313 5-year anniversary party in
December 1999, and the last was Monday night at the Werks in June
2003. While I feel qualified to say what Detroit Techno means to me
(for me, the rhythms - that shuffle beat with lots of hi-hats, etc. -
is a key element
i dont think that matters. the statement was 'won
acclaim in their hometown'
--- kj at technotourist dot org [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The award is not from the city of Detroit but from
the state of
Michigan AFAIK but then i am not from Detroit :)
On 7-sep-04, at 19:08, diana potts
On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, at 12:11 PM, marc christensen wrote:
Which is why Detroit Techno as a term, like the 313 list itself,
hasn't shrivelled into a too-narrow, too-precise, and
too-uptight-to-have-fun genre. (This is, BTW, exactly what Simon
Reynolds continually argues about
Hey listmembers,
I wonder if anyone on the list might have a contact for Koert Notario,
know on the list occasionally as Dr Nutcracker? I haven't been able to
contact him for several months now and wanted a word with him- if you
have any way I can get in touch with him then please let me
Erm - couple I heard recently that are not bad:
Ame - Ame mini LP on Sonar Kollektiv
Kind of odd record, quite a big Chi house influence apparent, but a bit more
overtly melodic than say Claro Intelecto - some duff tracks but some corkers as
well.
Natures Plan feat Ed Motta (kenny Dope Mix)
That's right,,
The dirty south will host probably it's first night of Detroit Techno,
Electro, Industrial, and DnB from the Detroit Techno Militia.
Are there any other techno happening in the south? Or how about Boston
on the weekend of the 16th and 17th.
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From:
Should be fun! I'm leaving in a couple days for England, and can't wait
to meetup with the England 313 posse! :)
Cheers!
G
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Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:48 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) [London
Erm - couple I heard recently that are not bad:
Ame - Ame mini LP on Sonar Kollektiv
#euphoric mode on#
yeah, i second that! Âme lp is very, very good, especially the tunes
nia and hydrolic dog, both also out on 12. and they've done some
very good remixes too: www.discogs.com/artist/%C2me
also
Check this out Alex. Sublime electronic sweetness
LUDWIG ELBLAUS: Furious Styles (New Speak Sweden)
This stuff has pooped my cork:
2 Dollar Egg - Naxo
Cheese and Biscuits - Maurice Fulton remix
I-Cube Frrzh - Maurice Fulton remix
Larry Heard's LooseFingers on Alleviated
Yeah baybee!
Scuzz out
Feel honoured by his presence Tristan :)
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Sent: 07 September 2004 09:38
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) [SPAM] Liverpool - Tfunkshun, 17/9/04
Hey Hey.
Nice one Tristan, I will try to make it along!
Strings tug me (oo er) in every song I hear, not just Detroit, but I would
say them for Detroit as thems the things that remain.
But obviously Detroit is more than that.
Detroit for me right now as I sup some more dirty vodka = Timeless techno
that makes you wanna do stuff in life! Even write to
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Cheese and Biscuits - Maurice Fulton remix
I-Cube Frrzh - Maurice Fulton remix
what are the labels on these? is cheese and biscuits the artist or
the song title?
Larry Heard's LooseFingers on
Anyone have contact details for Russ Gabriel?
www.tfunkshun.com
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+447273495
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