Okay I'm not understanding your line of reasoning here. Your question,
to me, is almost tautological...
This kick/hh pattern is prevelant:
a) because that's the most stripped down house/techno beat besides
just a kick that one can have and
b) because genres are defined by their cliches, and this
Sorry, it was a knee-jerk reaction to hearing this pattern over and over
again while browsing Juno's techno new releases.
You are correct about it being a cliché. I've heard plenty of minimal
mixes that don't deviate from this pattern from start to finish. With this
being the standard beat
On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With the emphasis on that kick and hihat it's difficult for my ear to not
focus on that. I know with minimal stuff there's tons of other things
going on but eventually, if things don't change up, that boom tsk starts
to get magnified until
Isn't the point that at the moment there's a lot of minimal releases that
sound like a lot of other minimal releases? And of course if you're not
super into minimal then the 'subtle nuances' that differentiate each minimal
release are kind of evasive...
I liked that quote from that berlin/party
Exactly. This is what's missing with so many (in fact, most) DJs these
days. Few people mix up their styles, they just stick to one particular
sub-sub-genre for their whole set. Often for the entire night in some
clubs.
No matter how wicked the tracks are, any sound becomes dull if it
This was posted on LD, should be of interest. Rather enjoyed it...
Another worthwhile Radio2 documentary for all you Berlin lovers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/index.shtml?logo
listen again
Berlin…Soundz Decadent
Although this is an account of the excellent Bowie Berlin trilogy of
LPs; Low,
I can't listen from here - what did Ralf have to say?
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Sent: 09 January 2007 14:32
To: 313 List
Subject: (313) All you Berlin lovers
This was posted on LD, should be of interest. Rather enjoyed it...
Another worthwhile
Aaarggh - I wish we were told about these things BEFORE they were on, instead
of after the fact
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From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 January 2007 14:32
To: 313 List
Subject:
pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/09/2007 07:48:47 PM:
Isn't the point that at the moment there's a lot of minimal releases that
sound like a lot of other minimal releases?
Yes, that is part of my point. Too much of the same. Why does minimal
dictate how you program your beat?
If
Boy did I love minimal techno a few years ago when there was plenty of
other techno (and other stuff) to counterbalance it. So an effective mix
would include a few minutes of minimal stuff to contrast with the rest of
the set. Of course minimal tracks are always great to play as a layer for
more
This happened with trance. It was once a small sub-genre of techno and
more or less ok as such. When you start having nights playing nothing
but (trance, minimal etc etc) that's when it gets dull.
Take Looped Bangers. That particular sub-genre of techno more or less
killed a lot of peoples
Well, I thought that this might be true, until I did a little
experiment. I went to beatport, and I listened, in order, to the 150
newest tracks, WITHOUT SKIPPING TRACKS, from the following genres:
deep house
techno
tech-house
techno
Guess what - in my opinion minimal came up better, compared
Hey, I get pretty bored when people play house all night, and I'm
sure at least one of the previous contributors to this thread would
love that.
On Jan 9, 2007, at 10:18, David Powers wrote:
Would you care for 8 hours of 2 beat loopy hard techno
again, remember that???
--
matt kane's
Would you care for 8 hours of 2 beat loopy hard techno
again, remember that???
You could argue that the people who peddled this stuff are the same
people peddling 'minimal' (Richie, Beyer etc)
The dullness has remained but the tempo has dropped.
robin...
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/08/2007 08:48:09
PM:
i like minimal straight hats and kicks as much as the next man, but to
me theyre most effective when mixed up with other beats and rhythms.a
minimal acid cut sounds good all the time, but it REALLY sounds good
when
On 1/9/07, David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But really, this looks more and more like the old curmudgeon argument
about hating that damn racket the kids listen too... I agree that many
DJ's have a boring approach, but wasn't that always true about
average DJ's?
i dont know, i feel like
funny you should mention milligan,
i heard some unreleased techno (ie. non minimal, 313-ish) stuff him that
was amazing.the guy has serious skills...
(on a side note, these minimal-hating threads that crop up once in a while
are fast becoming like the hawtin-hating threads.played
One of the reasons I sort of exploded over this topic was a combination of
hearing a bunch of tracks that had clever glitchy edits over basically
the same boring boom tsk and seeing, on a message board, people fawning
over Jeff Milligan and this video of him
(on a side note, these minimal-hating threads that crop up once in a
while are fast becoming like the hawtin-hating threads.played out)
Actually yeah I agree. Hating for hating's sake is never good but...
I think the observation that a single mini-genre being played all night
long is
David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/09/2007 09:18:50 AM:
Guess what - in my opinion minimal came up better, compared to some of
the god awful stuff in the other genres. There were without a doubt
plenty of similar sounding clickity clackity throw away tracks, but
certainly no
Spot on observation. Not what I was hinting toward at all but very
perceptive all the same.
MEK
robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/09/2007 09:21:06 AM:
Would you care for 8 hours of 2 beat loopy hard techno
again, remember that???
You could argue that the people who peddled this
On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just asking questions to figure out why I can't find any decent sh*t to
buy in the techno section of Juno's new releases.
yeah i just did a catching up set of overseas ordering. i listened
to 10 tons of stuff. i ended up ordering this
yeah manbut that works in general
if you're a crap dj, you're a crap dj - and for me a crap dj is one that
sticks to 1 whole genre for the whole set.
the reason i respect villalobos for ex. (OMG!!!111oneoneone) is that he
spins all sorts of stuff - mnml, house, acid, 313; same with
that's why i got bored with electro and stopped listening to it.and i
was a real freak for it
it all started sounding so formulaic, just like 80% of today's minimal
music.
and i agree with whoever said that it's minimal anymore.there is so much
going on in these tracks that it should
I don't hate minimal at all. I hate sameness and laziness in any perceived
genre.
I lve broken beats but I don't want to hear Seiji's samba beat all
night either. When bruk goes that way I'll start asking the same
questions.
That's one of the reasons I bit hard on the broken beat
yeah manbut that works in general
if you're a crap dj, you're a crap dj - and for me a crap dj is one that
sticks to 1 whole genre for the whole set.
the reason i respect villalobos for ex. (OMG!!!111oneoneone) is that he
spins all sorts of stuff - mnml, house, acid, 313; same with
Nothing wrong with hating - if you hate something you should say so
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From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 January 2007 15:39
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to
Villalobos really is a good DJ in my opinion, at least in the last 18
months for sure. And he does not be any means spin all minimal
sounding stuff in his sets. He's got a lot of tribal house type vibe
going much of the time actually. And as you mentioned, also acid and
313 stuff sometimes.
Avoid Villalobos when Hawtin's about in my experience. The Taka Taka mix CD
from 2004 (I think) was rocking, but then mix CDs tell you nothing about what
they're like in reality.
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From: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 January 2007 16:05
To: fab.;
What david said -- the beat is the armature upon which interesting
things are strung.
The mix Ronnie Pries posted is the perfect counterexample to boring techno.
http://www.leverkuhn.com/~rktic/rp-traktorized070104.mp3
Any dance genre gets boring when people just endlessly spin out the
same
hi ho 313
hopefully again a lot of good music to come in 2007
wanted to ask..
any tips for nice small programs,
in which i put text, being translated to audio,
with kinda adaptable voices?
so i can make some jingles..
in the meanwhile
add yours..
http://nomorewords.net/charts/
i would gladly post any links to mixes i regard to have a good approach...i
just need to find them in my collections first! ;P
fab
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From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:54 PM
Subject: Re:
that larry heard/mr white record is soo good. instant classic!
i think i'm one of the few that isnt excited by marcus mixx...it's kinda
cool...too percussive and not enough groove for me...
is moxie 10 that chow daddy thing? sounded very nice! i assume it's re/edits?
it's not new anymore,
I'll take a look at work ... I've got links there to some good stuff
by Villalobos and maybe others I believe.
But why don't you have a listen to the new mix I just posted? Except a
couple classics (work that mf, percolater), and a Femi Kuti track,
it's all technically in the minimal category,
ok, i'll bite.
i totally love non-four-on-the-floor techno. per MEK's comments, it's what i
love about the more stripped down side of brokenbeat.
what are folks' favorite records in this vein?
off the top of my head, there's Si Begg's Opus EP (Tresor) and some of Inigo
Kennedy's gear like
On 1/9/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that larry heard/mr white record is soo good. instant classic!
both sides are completely ridiculous. i ordered 2 copies to keep one
safe in case something were to happen to the copy ill be hammering out
in every set for the forseeable future. that
Yes i do agree about the last Larry Heard / Mr White on Alleviated. The
track The Sun Can't Compare is sooo hypnotic.
This langourous voice, 303 line, and old school Chicago rhythm still
incredibly works on me... -clap-clap-clap-
A good track for this thread :
that larry heard/mr white record is soo good. instant classic!
both sides are completely ridiculous. i ordered 2 copies to keep one
safe in case something were to happen to the copy ill be hammering out
in every set for the forseeable future. that record is simply
stunning. if i could go
On 1/9/07, dave cronin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ok, i'll bite.
i totally love non-four-on-the-floor techno. per MEK's comments, it's what i
love about the more stripped down side of brokenbeat.
what are folks' favorite records in this vein?
what else?
the 2000 Black label up until about 03
i think i'm one of the few that isnt excited by marcus mixx...it's kinda
cool...too
percussive and not enough groove for me...
ive heard the first one in a bunch of mixes ive DLed and ive IDed it
each time to the point where i was just like i guess this track is
for me. i didnt even listen to
David Powers a écrit :
Well, I thought that this might be true, until I did a little
experiment. I went to beatport, and I listened, in order, to the 150
newest tracks, WITHOUT SKIPPING TRACKS, from the following genres:
deep house
techno
tech-house
techno
I did the same on junodownload
what about the latest arpanet and urban tribe things? already got?
i wasnt feeling those so much. not that they were bad, but i guess i
was looking for something different. im not always in an electro-ish
mood
you crazy. those are both extremely good albums that deserve more than to just
No luck finding the d/l for this set, BUT for the record here's a
recent tracklist from part of a Villalobos set ... I think this more
less demonstrates my point.
00:00 Ricardo Villalobos - Heike (original mix)
01:30 Joey Beltram - Back Porch
05:20 Heckmann Gecko - Out Of Mind
10:00 Dominik
On 1/9/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you crazy. those are both extremely good albums that deserve more than to just
be
lumped off as electro..they are soundtracks..real albums...urban tribe
especially brings
a lot of really unpredictable and amazing sounds, complex arrangements...i'm
not
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If you've ever been to DEMF and needed to escape the heat/rain/people
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Response to my performance at the show was really positive so when I
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