Cc: Phonopsia; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
Find me a black UK artists who produces the level of high-quality
mainstream big-beat rock'n'rave music of Fat Boy or the Chems, then we can
start considering racism a
;
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>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:42 PM
>> To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
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> From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:42 PM
> To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
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> From: "
Slim, Basement Jaxx, Chemical
Brothers etc, History repeats itself.
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From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:42 PM
To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
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if you can't hear any soul in matthew dear, you need to seriously check
what it is you like about music.
It is because he is not hu-man ;-)
lly with what he says on the Bush admin and I have similiar
quotes from other artists, it's an expression of anger or frustration.
But, hey, who turns down free records. ;)
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>Subject: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the De
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From: "Derek Plaslaiko." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>fair enough. but what about the MASSES of people who DO have good
things
>to say about the album? arent you undermining THEIR opinion at
the same
>time?
sure. its been pointed out many t
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>Except that Felix was one of the main instigators of the
electrofad. Not
>the 'token black' in an all white scene. Nevermind the fact that
Felix
>(like virtually all of the first wave of Detroit techno) was
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
> my conclusion that he doesnt deserve the hype is just that, my
> opinion. the list of artists i could point out that i think
> rightfully deserve some hype is also my opinion. however, i wasnt
> the person who designed that nice sticker thats on th
Except that Felix was one of the main instigators of the electrofad. Not
the 'token black' in an all white scene. Nevermind the fact that Felix
(like virtually all of the first wave of Detroit techno) was mostly
inspired by European music made by white people.
And much like techno- electroclash h
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<313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of T
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From: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Isn't that to do with the fact that the artists you mentioned
aren't as commercial as someone like Felix?
>Nobody likes electronic music, so it's no surprise it is ignored
by the mainstream
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>leaves out black artists!?
>did you watch the superbowl show? janet, nelly, p.diddy compared
to kid
>rock and justin. that's as mainstream as it gets- and its a 60/40
black
>ratio.
>
>which given the country'
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>Are you certain its US. MAybe its being re-released (which
happens a lot
>when a small label puts out a record that then gets picked-up by
a bigger
>label). All I know is, the promo copy I just recieved- whic
I did say 'tend' to.
Anyway, you know I don't think as much of Amp Fiddler as you do, T!
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From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:23 PM
To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
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>
> youre the person who is making jacka_s like statements, not me. i
> personally appreciate diversity and when mainstream media
> conveniently and purposely leaves out black artists i get offended
> and irritated.
>
leaves out black artists!?
did you watch the superbowl show? janet, nelly, p.did
> describe "official". im sitting here looking at the finished US CD
> and LP versions of the album. they look just as official as the
> matt dear record, and they sell better too ; )
Are you certain its US. MAybe its being re-released (which happens a lot
when a small label puts out a record tha
shing something compromised, diluted or old hat.
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From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:17 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
look over the
last year and youll not see KDJ
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>Yeah- the world would be a really awful place if all the kids
listened to
>Matt Dear instead of KDJ.
>
>
>/rolls eyes/
youre the person who is making jacka_s like statements, not me. i
personally appreciate
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Oh Now You've Done It!
>
>Name me 3 black artists who have released records in the past 3
months
>that deserve equal props (the crystal method being the obvious
exception,
>though their music is crossing
> some kid
> who might otherwise be into someone like kenny larkin or kdj or
> derrick may if he heard them might intead check out matt dear
> instead and from that point on his perception of "detroit techno"
> will be skewed.
Yeah- the world would be a really awful place if all the kids listened
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From: "Derek Plaslaiko." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>i guess this is getting closer to the root of what is ultimatly
annoying
>me about this whole thread. why is it that just because a
publication, in
>which you even said who cares what the
February 03, 2004 7:52 PM
To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
>
> i dont think it has anything to do with the guy being white. i
> like all those artists you mentioned. i just dont dig matt dear's
> record
>
> i dont think it has anything to do with the guy being white. i
> like all those artists you mentioned. i just dont dig matt dear's
> records almost at all. that first spectral 12" i think it was was
> alright, other than that i havent liked anything else. and its not
> just me: we got one copy
Guys,
why don't you simply leave Derrick May his opinion? Is it really so
important to go nuts about it? This thread reminds me of old women
talking about articles of the royal family in the yellow press :)
Just my 2 cent,
Ronny
rspr?ngliche Nachricht-
> >Von: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 13:09
> >An: 313@hyperreal.org
> >Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
> >
> >I'm going to risk a major firestorm by venturi
er wrote:
> I guess you're right. I can understand their disappointment.
>
>
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 13:09
> An: 313@hyperreal.org
> Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and
Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
>
> you might be right, but i highly doubt that kenny sent a copy to rolling
> stone for them to review in the first place.
>
> ###
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:12 PM
To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
you might be right, but i highly doubt that kenny sent a copy to rolling
stone for them to review in the first
Never mind
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From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:35 AM
To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
Mmmmh, don't know what this has got to do wi
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
> -- Original Message --
> From: "matt kane's brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >At 12:28 PM 2/3/2004, you wrote:
> >>crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD
> >>soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of y
t; Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 11:15
> An: 313@hyperreal.org
> Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
>
>
> Yussel wrote>
> >i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention to the newer
> >generation (he'll claim th
Disclaimer:
I wasn't trying to incite 313's annual Flame War About Race.
I was only trying to theorize why Derrick May made the comment he made.
That's all.
I like Matthew Dear and "Idol Tryouts" (the Dykehouse Wire cover is the
best Wire cover I've ever heard).
And I like Derek Plaslaiko :-)
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
> -- Original Message --
>
> i dont think it has anything to do with the guy being white. i
> like all those artists you mentioned. i just dont dig matt dear's
> records almost at all.
> that first spectral 12"
ahhh yess the completely reductive argument, there it is! detroit techno
isnt even a genre its just techno in detroit...
just like i make southern, country music cus i live out in the country and
in the south...yeeehaww
thats only one ingredient in the stew, if its an ingredient at all
Det
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From: "matt kane's brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>At 12:28 PM 2/3/2004, you wrote:
>>crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD
>>soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of your opinions
>>of them, isnt it a little strange that they
well that says it about as good as i could.
i wasnt making any statement about race, i was responding to greg earle's
email about what derrick might have meant by his comments about techno being
dead. i put my comments about the soul of detroit techno vs matt dears music
in the form of a quest
At 12:28 PM 2/3/2004, you wrote:
crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD
soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of your opinions
of them, isnt it a little strange that theyre all stark white?
I'm afraid it's just nothing out of the ordinary.
--
unsigned short int to_yer_mama;
http:/
-- Original Message --
From: "Derek Plaslaiko." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>the fact that matthew is white has nothing to do with the soul of
his
>music. if you think that, then you better be thinking the same
about joy
>division, liquid liquid, francois k, or re
"he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and maybe that's true"
Derrick can actually make that claim, but then it's his own fault for no one
WANTING to approach him. He has a long-standing reputation for being an
a_shole and it's well deserved. A buddy of mine approached him after he d
> -Original Message-
> From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 03 February 2004 15:09
>
> i think there is a lot of looking back to previous musical movements
> happening at the moment... it does make me wonder where things can
> go in the future
>
> which is the whole point
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
> >are you going to tell me that the only reason shakes music
> >has soul, is because hes black and from detroit??? in my opinion, those
>
> You know what?
>
> I *like* the idea of getting the Annual 313 Divisive Flame War About Race
> out the way *ear
-> spot on about the rave culture biznizz.
->
-> today has got me thinking how different the US and UK culture is.
-> the gulf is enormous.
...but superficially very similar...which is the problem i guess.
i think there is a lot of looking back to previous musical movements
happening at the mom
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Katrin Richter wrote:
> I think the oringinal people from Detroit put a different kind of soul into
> their music, it's not about "some new depression" and not about crying. It's
> about enjoying life and the celebration of that joy.
of course, i realize its not just about
tral rock in general, also! I rock them
out every time I spin now pretty much.
~David
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From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
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>are you going to tell me that the only reason shakes music
>has soul, is because hes black and from detroit??? in my opinion, those
You know what?
I *like* the idea of getting the Annual 313 Divisive Flame War About Race
out the way *early* in the year, so now's a good time! ;-)
k
lopments in the last year.
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Derek Plaslaiko. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 15:40
An: J. T.
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, J. T. wrote:
> n
stewart>Anyway, excuse my long winded and meandering rant
hey! top rant!
(I like rants)
spot on about the rave culture biznizz.
today has got me thinking how different the US and UK culture is.
the gulf is enormous.
_
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, J. T. wrote:
> not only is there no real new generation of black techno, but i mean matthew
> dear...who cares if he's popular, does it really have any soul or connection
> to the character of classic detroit techno? not that i can hear...just
> happens to be from detroit..
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> not only is there no real new generation of black techno, but i mean
matthew
> dear...who cares if he's popular, does it really have any soul
det: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 13:09
An: 313@hyperreal.org
Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
I'm going to risk a major firestorm by venturing that when Derrick said
> "... because I think this may be the last chance that we may be able
> to do
> it th
I'd disagree with this, just because he isn't aware don't make it so...
Take a look here:
http://www.detroitluv.com
You'll see names old and new - mixes and events...We've had some major
support from the D and loads of contact with new people - black and white...
Martin
3/2/04 1:33 PM [EMAIL P
Greg>he really meant "I don't know if there's going to be a next generation
>of young BLACK Detroit musicians coming through to follow up in our
footsteps."
ahh, whoops.
oh well.
guess he's right I suppose.
I did read it to be "there's no young musicians coming through" so my
reaction was disgus
I guess you're right. I can understand their disappointment.
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 13:09
An: 313@hyperreal.org
Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
I'm going to ri
I'm going to risk a major firestorm by venturing that when Derrick said
"... because I think this may be the last chance that we may be able
to do
it through Techno music. I don't know if there's going to be a next
generation of young musicians coming through to follow up in our
footsteps."
Mmmmh, don't know what this has got to do with it. Discuss.
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 11:28
An: Katrin Richter; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Betreff: RE: (313) Derrick May quote and the Dea
Only if you have a vagina! ;-)
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From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
I am really shocked how quick you guys judge
no music to attract attention to
the city of Detroit, not techno music as a whole.
Brendan
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 03 February 2004 10:15
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death o
well said Katrina! come on lets stop assuming please...
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Sent: Tue 03/02/2004 10:22
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nstag, 3. Februar 2004 11:15
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Yussel wrote>
>i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention to the newer
>generation (he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and
Yussel wrote>
>i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention to the newer
>generation (he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and maybe
>that's true), but its ridiculous to proclaim techno dead, simply because
>his particular style (and fame?) is dwindling.
>This has been
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oronto.ca> cc:
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quote CAUTION rave politics
Yes, clubs have closed down because of legislation pushed through by the
Bush clan in the security culture in place in post Sept. 11th US.
Perhaps the most obvious example is the RAVE act that was sneaked into the
"Amber Alert" laws (kind of like Orange Alert) one of the many sweeping and
high
woah, matt dear's in a mental hospital??
=)
On Feb 2, 2004, at 6:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention to the newer
generation (he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and
maybe
that's true), but its ridiculous to proclaim techn
: 313@hyperreal.org
02/03/04 12:03 AMSubject: Re: (313) Re:
Derrick May quot
4 05:46 AM Subject: (313) Re: Derrick
May quote and the Death
Regarding this question posed to D. May:
"America?s entire nightlife and club culture seems to be under direct
threat from the Bush Administration right now, what?s your take on what?s
going on?"
And Derrick's quote:
?The club crackdown affects me more than the kids, because the kids seem
ve
Just fowarding this for someone who can't post...
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:13:13 -0800
From: wraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Hurlbut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: (313) De
Maybe some mp3's and a mix cd
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From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 10:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James Hurlbut
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I think we should send him some books and cookies.
I think we should send him some books and cookies.
-joe
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "James Hurlbut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Derrick May
i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention to the newer
generation (he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and maybe
that's true), but its ridiculous to proclaim techno dead, simply because
his particular style (and fame?) is dwindling.
This has been a watershed year fo
Is it just me, or does this ring the tone of proverbial nails in the coffin?
"... because I think this may be the last chance that we may be able to do
it through techno music. I don't know if there's going to be a next
generation of young musicians coming through to follow up in our footsteps.
> Too many people use drums as a piece de resistance to
> their music. That's dumb. Drums are an accent. That's it. You should be able
> to have so much power that you don't need drums."
>
> Brings to mind Carl Craig's Drums Suck remix of Dave Angel.
I was just having a similar conversation with
This is from the Derrick May interview that was recently posted, that starts
out talking about Ron Hardy, then moves into other areas. I thought this was
an excellent quote:
"80% of all my songs have always started with strings, it's like a mood , a
frame of mind. I don't always end up using those
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