the above covers.
robin...
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- Would be interested to know about what is the best encoder
- etc
robin wrote on Thu, 15 Jan 2004 about following:
http://www.arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/1q00/mp3/mp3-1.html
this article is rather old, just by checking the versions of the
applications, i'm guessing it was done about 4 years ago, so it's not
really applicable nowadays.
sakke
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yeah fair comment sakke, as i said in my email it's what i based my
decision on when i originally started encoding mp3s. i'd like to see a
more up to date test (maybe with ogg vorbis included). anyone?
soz for being off topic but it has some bearing on 313 as we all listen
to mp3 mixes a lot.
robin wrote on Thu, 15 Jan 2004 about following:
more up to date test (maybe with ogg vorbis included). anyone?
http://www.codecreview.com/
http://www.xciv.org/~meta/audio-shootout/
okay, i'm not gonna post on this thread anymore. it's a promise!
sakke
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 January 2004 10:36
Was just wondering if anyone had used this service of warp's?
(the one where you can download a track for 99p or whatever)
I was just wondering why anyone would?
I mean it's just
Right, nice one Brendan - now I see.
Was just wondering as I don't really have any mp3's or anything, or use the
peer to peer (only because work won't let me I guess).
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I was just wondering why anyone would?
I mean it's just as easy to download from a peer to peer right, and it's
free.
I wondered the same thing when Apple launched their iTunes Music Store - but
eight months later they've sold 30 million songs. And bear in mind the
service is only available
- I was just wondering why anyone would?
-
- I mean it's just as easy to download from a peer to peer
- right, and it's
- free.
-
- I wondered the same thing when Apple launched their iTunes
- Music Store - but
- eight months later they've sold 30 million songs. And bear
- in mind the
-
-Original Message-
From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 January 2004 11:58
While we're on the subject - would people on the list pay to
download (for example) Headspace and Emoticon tracks as
high-quality MP3s? Trying to work out whether it's worth
exploring
... would it be
only because it also costs a lot less to the label.
Gwendal
-Original Message-
From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2004 13:06
To: 'Tom Churchill'; 'Alex Bond'; '313'
Subject: RE: (313) warprecords
- I was just wondering why anyone would
tracks you've got in an individual
order, which would make more sense to me.
Brendan
-Original Message-
From: Cobert, Gwendal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 January 2004 12:08
To: 313
Subject: RE: (313) warprecords
To me it is a matter of pricing : I don't know how much
Brendan
-Original Message-
From: Cobert, Gwendal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 January 2004 12:08
To: 313
Subject: RE: (313) warprecords
To me it is a matter of pricing : I don't know how much
iTunes charges (how much is it for an Environ EP BTW ?), but
on the Warp
They're taking a bit of a risk by launching these services and so I think
that's a big part of the reason the pricing is quite cautious
Hey - any heads on the list know if it really does cost alot?
Being a dullard, I can't see where extra costs would come from if you're
already running the site.
the fight.
Quest Pond
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 15 January 2004 11:52 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) warprecords
Right, nice one Brendan - now I see.
Was just wondering as I don't really have any mp3's or anything
15/1/04 12:22 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED]@uk.pwc.com
They're taking a bit of a risk by launching these services and so I think
that's a big part of the reason the pricing is quite cautious
Hey - any heads on the list know if it really does cost alot?
Being a dullard, I can't see where extra
Servers, Space, Power, Back-up, Bandwidth, UP's Units, Packet Shapers,
Back-end code, bank charges, People- not free.
ha!
OK.
Never mind!
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This e-mail is sent by
- I would be buying if stuff if it is available. Someone
- mentioned it is too
- early for mp3 dj's, i disagree totally the djing is totally
- split now with
- FS and not FS dj's.
- There is just no way to compete with a dj with 10 days of
- selection and
- custom remixes, especially when you
Oh and another note- all those rare records you own that only got 100
releases well 2000 people have these now and can dj them, its easy to angry
about this but i think there is now way to win the fight.
Quest Pond
(Hey Quest!)
This last point I can't quite see. - A major point about p2p etc
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 January 2004 12:22
Hey - any heads on the list know if it really does cost alot?
Being a dullard, I can't see where extra costs would come
from if you're already running the site.
It would definitely
Totally - they already sell Lex as well, and clearly plan to add more - I guess
it will go the same way their Warpmart did...
Gwendal
-Original Message-
From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2004 13:40
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313
quality (can be
higher then cd's), street cred value (laptop dj's) still look impressive :)
and price.
Quest Pond
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From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 15 January 2004 12:40 PM
To: Quest Pond; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313
Cheers for the info Brendan.
It would definitely cost a fair bit.
Right, I'm sticking to being an office postman, thats far more my level.
either that or a computers, servers and the internet for f**kwits course
at college.
: )
_
You need to buy an enterprise-level server, a really hardcore machine
which will be able to cope with hundreds of thousands of hits per day and
several hundred concurrent mp3 uploads, besides all the streaming that
happens when people preview tracks. A machine that's up the job might cost
you
: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:40 PM
Subject: RE: (313) warprecords
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 January 2004 12:22
Hey - any heads on the list know if it really does cost alot?
Being a dullard, I can't see where extra costs would come
from
-Original Message-
From: Matt Chester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 January 2004 13:16
Don't mean to nit-pick, but you can get a co-hosting option
or a decent, large scale (though perhaps not enterpise scale,
which is maybe a little over the top for a label) remote
server
I remember Ali from Overload telling me it cost him £30 a month to keep that
site running, excluding the actual manpower.
-Original Message-
From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:24 PM
To: 313 Detroit
Subject: RE: (313) warprecords
i think there definately is a future for labels offering their catalogue
through downloadable mp3's [or whatever other format].
right now it's still in it's early stages,and the fact that most of the
payment done on the internet are still done by creditcard doesn't help. how
much does it
oh, forgot to mention:
offering music for download (eventhough it costs a little) creates the
opportunity to offer music for download that's not marcketable through
vinyl/cd.
for instance, you can offer alternate versions of songs.
pressing these up on vinyl will most of the time be unwise,
i'd say it was the free factor that brought mp3 to the fore. But at this
point, I think that mp3's have gone beyond a pricing issue and just become
the format people prefer.
why have mountains of CDs when it can all be on your computer. Why carry
around a bulky discman when you can have an mp3
Itunes for Windows launched back in November. I have a friend who spent
over $200 his first night alone with it.
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Tom Churchill wrote:
I was just wondering why anyone would?
I mean it's just as easy to download from a peer to peer right, and it's
free.
I wondered
i'll bet that if all the broke djs out there who can't afford a final
scratch set-up didn't buy any records for a year, they would have more
than enough money to by the laptop and hardware.
the question is- could anyone actually y not buy a record for a year.
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, robin wrote:
Full albums can be had for £6.99 - check all the buttons out...
The thing to watch is it's encode in LAME with VBR - meaning it's impossible
to skip bits and they are encoded at 128 which is a bit low for my liking
but it's better than nothing...
Martin
14/1/04 4:54 PM Michael [EMAIL
-Original Message-
From: Michael Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 January 2004 16:54
Oh and warps bleep is now live:
https://www.warprecords.com/bleep
This is so expensive! 0.99 a track regardless of length. So an album
with lots of short tracks cost more than one
-
- This is so expensive! 0.99 a track regardless of length. So an album
- with lots of short tracks cost more than one of equivalent
- length with
- long tracks. I think they need to re-think their pricing system.
-
- Do you get a discount for buying a complete album?
- Otherwise, something
They seem to be giving out mixed messages on the encoding side of things - in
their FAQ it says Bleep MP3s are a minimum of 256kbps, while the majority of
MP3s found on the internet are 128kbps. Yet they seem to contradict that in
the technical queries bit. Personally I don't think they should
Martin wrote:
Full albums can be had for 6.99 - check all the buttons out...
Ah yes, thought as much. I'm just blind.
Journey Home - 2.99 not bad.
The thing to watch is it's encode in LAME with VBR - meaning it's impossible
to skip bits and they are encoded at 128 which is a bit low
14/1/04 4:57 PM Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They seem to be giving out mixed messages on the encoding side of things - in
their FAQ it says Bleep MP3s are a minimum of 256kbps, while the majority of
MP3s found on the internet are 128kbps. Yet they seem to contradict that in
the technical
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Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 18:10
To: Brendan Nelson; 313 Hyperreal. Org
Subject: Re: (313) warprecords - was Re: (313) axis
14/1/04 4:57 PM Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They seem to be giving out mixed messages on the encoding side of things - in
their FAQ it says Bleep MP3s
At 12:09 PM 1/14/2004, Martin wrote:
Yep, I'm going to check a few out - LAME is a pretty poor encoder, there's a
reason it's free! And just say no to VBR...
LAME is extremely tweakable. It's very easy to get lousy encoding out of
it. The reason it's free is ideological. The xing encoder
[Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Yep, I'm going to check a few out - LAME is a pretty poor encoder,
there's a reason it's free!
What the hell are you talking about? Could you try to back that up for
me?
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Yep, I'm going to check a few out - LAME is a pretty poor encoder,
there's a reason it's free!
What the hell are you talking about? Could you try to back that up for
me?
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