Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

Bert Van Vreckem writes: | John Chambers wrote: | > [...] One of the ongoing challenges with my Tune Finder has | > been handling ABC embedded inside HTML. This is not a good idea, of | > course, but you can't stop people from doing it. One of the frequent | > ways that people do this includes

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

John Chambers wrote: [...] One of the ongoing challenges with my Tune Finder has been handling ABC embedded inside HTML. This is not a good idea, of course, but you can't stop people from doing it. One of the frequent ways that people do this includes indenting all the ABC to match the indenta

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

Phil Taylor writes: | On 6 Apr 2004, at 21:10, Jack Campin wrote: | | >> Regarding lining up barlines... I had thought that spaces in | >> position 0 | >> on a line were illegal. | >> IE, the # here | >> | >> fe|d2B2 A2F2|A4 A2AB|d4 e2de|f2e2 egfe| | >> ###d2B2 A2F2|A4 A2AB|d4 e2de|f2d2 d2

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On 6 Apr 2004, at 21:10, Jack Campin wrote: Regarding lining up barlines... I had thought that spaces in position 0 on a line were illegal. IE, the # here fe|d2B2 A2F2|A4 A2AB|d4 e2de|f2e2 egfe| ###d2B2 A2F2|A4 A2AB|d4 e2de|f2d2 d2 :| No, they're fine by all standards since 1.5 at least

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

>Regarding lining up barlines... I had thought that spaces in position 0 >on a line were illegal. >IE, the # here > >fe|d2B2 A2F2|A4 A2AB|d4 e2de|f2e2 egfe| >###d2B2 A2F2|A4 A2AB|d4 e2de|f2d2 d2 :| No, they're fine by all standards since 1.5 at least - nor, as far as I know, has any ABC

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

Christian M. Cepel writes: | What? No xhtml compliance? | Nah; HTML 0.9. ;-) | John Chambers wrote: | | > | > Neil Jennings writes: | > | > MusicXML is plain text, just as all the markup languages are, but that | > doesn't mean you don't have to decode it. | > Can you deco

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

What? No xhtml compliance? John Chambers wrote: Neil Jennings writes: MusicXML is plain text, just as all the markup languages are, but that doesn't mean you don't have to decode it. Can you decode even simple HTML by just reading it?. MusicXML needs to be read along wi

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

I had not considered using separate voicing for chords. Thanks. Regarding lining up barlines... I had thought that spaces in position 0 on a line were illegal. IE, the # here fe|d2B2 A2F2|A4 A2AB|d4 e2de|f2e2 egfe| ###d2B2 A2F2|A4 A2AB|d4 e2de|f2d2 d2 :| Either way, I'm going to use y

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

> There's a few things that prove to be making reading ABC on the fly > a real difficult task. > > I wonder what other people feel about my stumbling stones. > > 1. inline chords. Flotsom floating down midstream making navigation > difficult. Yes, better to put them in a separate voice if possible

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On 1 Apr 2004, at 22:19, Christian M. Cepel wrote: With this in mind, I've been struggleing while editing ABC lately. I'm not real good at reading music or ABC on the fly due to learing disability (latent cognition between reading and comprehending). There's a few things that prove to be making re

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

With this in mind, I've been struggleing while editing ABC lately. I'm not real good at reading music or ABC on the fly due to learing disability (latent cognition between reading and comprehending). There's a few things that prove to be making reading ABC on the fly a real difficult task. I won

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On 1 Apr 2004, at 18:39, Richard Robinson wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 06:20:00PM +0100, Neil Jennings wrote: MusicXML is plain text, just as all the markup languages are, but that doesn't mean you don't have to decode it. Can you decode even simple HTML by just reading it?. Sure. Anything can

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

Neil Jennings writes: MusicXML is plain text, just as all the markup languages are, but that doesn't mean you don't have to decode it. Can you decode even simple HTML by just reading it?. MusicXML needs to be read along with the DTD. Well, yes, that's technic

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 06:20:00PM +0100, Neil Jennings wrote: > MusicXML is plain text, just as all the markup languages are, but that > doesn't mean you don't have to decode it. > Can you decode even simple HTML by just reading it?. Sure. Anything can be made hard to read if you have a machine

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

MusicXML is plain text, just as all the markup languages are, but that doesn't mean you don't have to decode it. Can you decode even simple HTML by just reading it?. MusicXML needs to be read along with the DTD. (By the way, I am slowly adding MusicXML export to HARMONY) Neil At 05:05 PM 4/1/04

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 03:33:01PM +, John Chambers wrote: > P J Headford comments: > | Just a reminder ... > | ABC is not just a computer thing. > > This is worth repeating periodically as a reminder of one of ABC's > main features > > One of the benefits of any plain-text data forma

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

P J Headford comments: | Just a reminder ... | ABC is not just a computer thing. | I know quite a few musicians who can play you the tune from the ABC | notation. This is worth repeating periodically as a reminder of one of ABC's main features. One example from last year: I got email from som

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On 27 Mar 2004, at 18:53, Richard Robinson wrote: The question that gets raised at this point, which I don't know the answer to, is - how easy is it to translate abc to xml ? How well does xml accomodate the concepts of ABC, how much of the possible information in an ABC file does MusicXML have en

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

- Original Message - From: "Jack Campin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML > Most people want GIFs. But if they're going to do it on their own > machines, rather

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 05:17:14PM +, Jack Campin wrote: > > > as far as our site is concerned, abc's importance lies more in > > a simple storage method and having nice programs to produce > > graphics and MIDI than in human readability of abc. (perhaps > > John Chambers for example to confir

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

> "Jack" == Jack Campin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jack> It would be, but it would throw away many of the distinctive Jack> things ABC can express. For eample, look at the pibroch Jack> example in my modes tutorial. I put the canntaireachd form Jack> of the music at the righ

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

> as far as our site is concerned, abc's importance lies more in > a simple storage method and having nice programs to produce > graphics and MIDI than in human readability of abc. (perhaps > John Chambers for example to confirm or deny this... Do most > casual visitors to a site want a MIDI to pl

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

From: "Richard Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML > > Is anybody else here looking much at MusicXML ? I've been having a look > over the last few days, and I must say, I'm rather impressed. It seems >

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On 26 Mar 2004, at 21:48, Richard Robinson wrote: Safari downloads the file as untyped, and BarFly won't recognise it as a text file. Curiously, if you change the file extension to ".txt" it works fine. (One more little thing to fix.) It's served from the website as Content-Type: text/xml and th

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On 26 Mar 2004, at 22:40, Richard Robinson wrote: I notice also, the public part of this refers to a 0.6 spec, whereas someone (Stephen Kellet, I think) posted a reference to a v1.0 spec a couple of months back. Current spec is 1.0. See . Quite a lot ha

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 09:48:11PM +, Richard Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 05:41:01PM +, Phil Taylor wrote: > > On 26 Mar 2004, at 16:23, Richard Robinson wrote: > > > > >>There's a small error in the example files on your > > >>webpage: the DOCTYPE tags refer to local file://

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 05:41:01PM +, Phil Taylor wrote: > On 26 Mar 2004, at 16:23, Richard Robinson wrote: > > >>There's a small error in the example files on your > >>webpage: the DOCTYPE tags refer to local file:// URLS, > >>which won't work on other computers. > > > >That's be the "file:/

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 04:31:56PM -0500, Steven Bennett wrote: > Richard Robinson wrote: > > > > Is anybody else here looking much at MusicXML ? I've been having a look > > over the last few days, and I must say, I'm rather impressed. It seems > > to me that this could all be tremendously useful

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 10:24:58PM +, Bernard Hill wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Robinson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > > >Is anybody else here looking much at MusicXML ? I've been having a look > >over the last few days, and I must say, I'm rather impressed. It seems > >t

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On 26 Mar 2004, at 16:23, Richard Robinson wrote: There's a small error in the example files on your webpage: the DOCTYPE tags refer to local file:// URLS, which won't work on other computers. That's be the "file:/c:/Program Files/MusicXML/partwise.dtd" bit ? It doesn't work on mine, either. But i

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 11:14:45PM +0100, I. Oppenheim wrote: > On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Richard Robinson wrote: > > I concur: musicxml is a wondeful development, > which will finally make it feasible to exchange scores > between different music processing software, without > loosing too much informat

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Phil Taylor wrote: > > On 25 Mar 2004, at 22:14, I. Oppenheim wrote: > > > >> Are many ABC programs currently capable of generating MusicXML ? > >> There's > >> a command-line Windows/Linux abc2xml > > > > There's also BarFly (Mac) and Noteedit (Linux). > > At the moment, B

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

--On Thursday, March 25, 2004 5:08 PM -0500 Jeff Szuhay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Try looking at LilyPond. Their is also Pmw which produces some beautiful music. A Win32 release is going to be available in a few days also. http://www.quercite.com/pmw.html Jeremy To subscribe/unsubscribe, poi

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On 25 Mar 2004, at 22:14, I. Oppenheim wrote: Are many ABC programs currently capable of generating MusicXML ? There's a command-line Windows/Linux abc2xml There's also BarFly (Mac) and Noteedit (Linux). At the moment, BarFly only imports MusicXML. Export is still to come. Phil Taylor To subsc

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

Jeff Szuhay wrote: > Try looking at LilyPond. > > On Thursday, March 25, 2004, at 04:31 pm, Steven Bennett wrote: > >> I've often considered the idea of designing a more structured variant >> of ABC >> that would still be easy to read and write, but at the same be more >> flexible, expandable, an

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >Is anybody else here looking much at MusicXML ? I've been having a look >over the last few days, and I must say, I'm rather impressed. It seems >to me that this could all be tremendously useful to us, as ABC users. Why?

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Richard Robinson wrote: I concur: musicxml is a wondeful development, which will finally make it feasible to exchange scores between different music processing software, without loosing too much information. > http://www.qualmograph.org.uk/musicxml/ There's a small error in

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

Try looking at LilyPond. On Thursday, March 25, 2004, at 04:31 pm, Steven Bennett wrote: I've often considered the idea of designing a more structured variant of ABC that would still be easy to read and write, but at the same be more flexible, expandable, and more computer friendly. I pretty m

Re: [abcusers] ABC and MusicXML

Richard Robinson wrote: > > Is anybody else here looking much at MusicXML ? I've been having a look > over the last few days, and I must say, I'm rather impressed. It seems > to me that this could all be tremendously useful to us, as ABC users. I looked at it and can see a number of places where