Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Fwd: 450-900mhz significant latency after 5 SM's on AP

According to the forum post that George sent it’s been an issue since 14.1.2 On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 9:32 PM Brandon Yuchasz wrote: > Matt, > > Was this problem in existence before 15.1? For example 15.0.3? Not that we > would be running old firmware ;) > > > > Thanks, > > Brandon > > > > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 2.4

Sounds like interference issue latest firmware is very solid unless your running 900mhz On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 5:22 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I'm having a bit of a head-scratcher here. I've got a Ubiquiti > Nanostation that I'm using as an AP for a small

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Fwd: 450-900mhz significant latency after 5 SM's on AP

Matt, Was this problem in existence before 15.1? For example 15.0.3? Not that we would be running old firmware ;) Thanks, Brandon From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:45 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ]

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sales Tax on the Internet

Yeah, not against the idea. I think the court got it right but we will all pay a bit more because of it. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2018, at 6:57 PM, David Sovereen > wrote: > > SureTax and numerous other companies have solutions to this today. With the > ruling, I’m sure storefront

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sales Tax on the Internet

SureTax and numerous other companies have solutions to this today. With the ruling, I’m sure storefront software will quickly be updated to integrate with them. Heck, maybe PayPal will add automatic sales tax additions and remittances for a nominal fee. I doubt this will add much hassle but

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

But the down side is that a lot of messages don't make it to the list, because somebody forgets to use reply all... I know this to be true, because I did it several times just today :P On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 5:35 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > The list was changed so that the reply email address was

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

The list was changed so that the reply email address was the person that sent the message. This means when (not if because we all know someone here has and will do it) someone sets a vacation auto responder it doesn't blast the list. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tradition

I was that age when I memorized the resistor color code chart. On 06/21/2018 05:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Had to get the camera just right to avoid showing the leg irons. Her mom and dad were both helping out today too.  As well as my daughter-in-law.  Orders are up, but I am too chicken

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tradition

Had to get the camera just right to avoid showing the leg irons. Her mom and dad were both helping out today too. As well as my daughter-in-law. Orders are up, but I am too chicken to staff up permanently. So I lean on the kids. They all grew up doing this. From:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tradition

Nice to see China isn't the only country with child labor. We appreciate you doing this to keep our prices down. On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 5:37 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > Hmmm was that back in the days of lead solder? Might explain some > things... > > On 06/21/2018 02:26 PM, Lewis Bergman

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

I don't know if it's how the list is sending out or something that changed with Thunderbird but "reply-list" is now only reply-all for this message, but on the topic of 48v vs 24v there are a lot more solutions in ac-dc for 24v consumer level than 48v. and when 48v comes up most

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tradition

Teach her how to run that solder flow machine! I think I was about her age when I started repairing control head boards for my dad. Ah the simple days off describe components. On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:16 PM wrote: > My granddaughter. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com >

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 300 to ePMP 1000 AP

Still doesn’t connect. Last I heard the release that allows it will be in July. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Jun 21, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > I thought I had read somewhere that the Force 300 could connect to

Re: [AFMUG] Yard Pole Modem Mounts

Well, lightning traveled a couple of miles to the ground. How much difference does a 10' post really make in path selection? -- Original Message -- From: "Dave" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: 6/21/2018 5:15:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yard Pole Modem Mounts We avoid that if we can help

Re: [AFMUG] Yard Pole Modem Mounts

True. We don't do that often but that works well unless the ground is very hard or rocky. ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Hard to beat a treated 4x4 with the dish foot lagged to it. That is if you don't have to go up too high. No need for concrete if you tamp it in hard enough. -Original

Re: [AFMUG] Yard Pole Modem Mounts

We avoid that if we can help it due to lightning factor. On 06/21/2018 03:54 PM, Matt wrote: What is everyone using for pole mounts when they put a dish in a customer's front yard? -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] ePMP Force 300 to ePMP 1000 AP

I thought I had read somewhere that the Force 300 could connect to the older 1000 AP. I've got a force 300 station set up and it can see the AP's channel in the spectrum analyzer, but does not register to the AP. Is Force 300 still PTP only, or is this supposed to work? -Adam -- AF mailing

Re: [AFMUG] Yard Pole Modem Mounts

Hard to beat a treated 4x4 with the dish foot lagged to it. That is if you don't have to go up too high. No need for concrete if you tamp it in hard enough. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:54 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Yard Pole Modem

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sales Tax on the Internet

On 6/21/18 13:08, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that states can compel retailers to collect sales taxes even if they don't have a physical presence in the state. ug I hope WooCommerce does this for me automatically on my e commerce site... Yeah, good luck

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

I think there's some truth to that. There are real reasons for phone lines to run at -48V, and they've been doing so for a long time. So the logical assumption from a manufacturer would be that a -48v device is for a phone company. A phone company needs reliability and probably has the

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

They'll either work or they won't on 24v - you won't get reduced power out of them, or anything like that (although sometimes you can temporarily fix voltage related issues by turning the TX power down). The kind of issues that you'll see with ePMP's on too low of voltage are going to be things

[AFMUG] OT Sales Tax on the Internet

The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that states can compel retailers to collect sales taxes even if they don't have a physical presence in the state. ug I hope WooCommerce does this for me automatically on my e commerce site... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Hola muchachos

Or was it 76 airfibers? On 06/21/2018 12:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:30 PM *To:* Jaime Solorza *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hola muchachos Hmmm, you turned 76 or you had –76 dBm or it was 76 degrees? *From:* Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

My problem with Netonix outdoors ( and we are using them there ) is FANS On 06/21/2018 11:38 AM, Josh Baird wrote: Enclosures don't have to be -that- ridiculous for the 12 ports. A couple of examples: On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

Ok, 5K volt then.. On 06/21/2018 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Higher is always better. Wires are smaller. Everything is more efficient. Everything runs cooler. Less voltage drop. Less power loss in conductors. Sometimes simplifies the design of the load device. *From:* Josh Luthman *Sent:*

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

I think that's more that MT likes solar compatibility than playing with the "Big Boys"... On 06/21/2018 11:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Nice to see the smaller players learning how to put on their big boy pants and join the ranks of carrier grade vendors. *From:* Mathew Howard *Sent:*

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

4 2.4 epmp access points with about 20 feet of cable on top of a firetower. they are all gps. did i not just read somewhere here the gps 2.4 epmp access points were 48v? - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: CBB - Jay Fuller Cc: Josh Baird ; AFMUG Sent: Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

Oh.. the "Real Telecom Players"... vs all those that have provided internet all over the place that the "Real Telecom Players" thumbed their noses at... Sorry that concept doesn't mean sweet thoughts to me... But yes 48V is the sweet spot, I just can't get behind -48v... Even when

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

What exactly are you powering? Epmp comes with a 24v poe and if you've got say 100 feetish? you're at 23 volts..that's minimum boot for warm weather. If it loses power in cold (20F?) it won't come back on until it warms up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

so - theoretically if i'm powering with 24v and i need to be powering with 48v, what kind of trouble am i in? are my radios putting out a fraction of the power they should be? - Original Message - From: CBB - Jay Fuller To: Josh Baird ; Josh Luthman Cc: af@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Hola muchachos

All three, probably. Is that 76 Fahrenheit or Celcius? On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:30 PM, wrote: > > > *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:30 PM > *To:* Jaime Solorza > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hola muchachos > > Hmmm, you turned 76 or you had –76 dBm or it was 76 degrees?

[AFMUG] Fw: Hola muchachos

From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:30 PM To: Jaime Solorza Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hola muchachos Hmmm, you turned 76 or you had –76 dBm or it was 76 degrees? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:25 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Hola muchachos

Re: [AFMUG] Big inverters

Wow that IS cheap. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Adam Moffett" ; af@af.afmug.com Sent: 6/21/2018 3:23:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Big inverters I am currently running a cheap chinese sinewave unit and so far so good.

[AFMUG] Big inverters

I know some of you have talked about using an inverter and battery charger for backing up equipment. Where do you go for a big fat 48v inverter? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

Netonix is perfect with the exception you can't really put them outdoors or in a reasonably sized enclosure. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:29 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > so, i'm 99% sure we use a

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

we use quite a few of the 8 port netonix. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: Mathew Howard Cc: AFMUG Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz Agreed. EdgePoint does 48v only but has the outdoor

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

True, at this point there's enough stuff that's 24v or 48v, or 48v, that I think it's best to just start moving to 48v for everything. The only stuff that we're still using on towers that won't run on 48v is non-airfiber UBNT radios (which is getting less common for us anyway), and a few models

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

so, i'm 99% sure we use a netonix to power ours and they're 24 v - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: Josh Baird Cc: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz Except for every single Ubnt

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

Higher is always better. Wires are smaller. Everything is more efficient. Everything runs cooler. Less voltage drop. Less power loss in conductors. Sometimes simplifies the design of the load device. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 12:17 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: Mathew

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

Well, you just take one of those UBNT things I posted earlier, plug that into one of the ports on the 48v PowerBox, then you plug that into the PoE in on the second PowerBox... (Don't do that. Bad things will happen) On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > That would be really

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

In a perfect world it would all be 100% 48v (or hell even 100% 24v) but the only rule of standards is that there are no standards. See XKCD 927 - https://xkcd.com/927/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:10

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

That would be really nice if we didn't have to run two power sources up the tower... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:08 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > Well, MikroTik does have 48v now (the hEX PoE/PowerBox

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

Nice to see the smaller players learning how to put on their big boy pants and join the ranks of carrier grade vendors. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 12:08 PM To: Josh Luthman Cc: Chuck McCown ; AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz Well,

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

Well, MikroTik does have 48v now (the hEX PoE/PowerBox Pro will take up to 57 volts), but it's only one or the other, it doesn't do any voltage conversion. But what I've been doing at some sites is something like using one PowerBox Pro to feed all the 24v only gear, and a second one to feed the

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

Just because Tommy jumped off the bridge doesn't mean we have to. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:59 PM, wrote: > It was always 48 for the real telecom players. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:*

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

Yeah, that's the easiest compromise at this point. What I'd like, is a box that I can connect a power supply to (whether that's 48v, or 24v, I don't care) that gives my a 48v and a 24v output, and has another connection for batteries and it deals with feeding the batteries the correct voltages

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

It was always 48 for the real telecom players. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:52 AM To: Mathew Howard Cc: Chuck McCown ; AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz It was 48v Then it was mostly 24v Now it's going 48v Just give it a little bit,

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

It was 48v Then it was mostly 24v Now it's going 48v Just give it a little bit, it'll go back to 24v. I'd rather get a power supply doing 26v to fix my problem in 2 minutes than start changing things to 48v which would blow so much stuff up (epmp non gps, ubnt M gear, half the Mikrotiks) Josh

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

No, there's not really a good reason, it just means you have an extra part to deal with. We still use UBNT for our 2.4ghz stuff, but those are the only radios that won't run off 48v on most of our new sites, so I've done some that are 48v only and just use those things on the radios that need

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

Yep, that was what I was thinking. So, looks to me like there is no reason not to do 48 volts. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:56 AM To: Chuck McCown Cc: Dave ; AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz You mean like this?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

You mean like this? https://www.ubnt.com/accessories/instant-8023af-adapters/ Or do you have something better in mind? On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:53 AM, wrote: > Me too... > So, what appetite is there for an inline POE regulator that would convert > 48 to 24? > > > *From:* Mathew Howard >

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

I do feel your pain on this subject though because we have most everything running on 48v and at sites that require it depending on space requirement that I have there I just remove old 24v system and add dcdc converter to take care of whats left on 24v. Otherwise I just leave old supply. We do

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

Me too... So, what appetite is there for an inline POE regulator that would convert 48 to 24? From: Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:50 AM To: Dave Cc: AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz ugh... I keep forgetting to use reply-to-all... Not every

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

All UBNT devices that we use are 48V (AF) and all MT devices that we use are also 48V now. You could always throw a small PoE switch (Netonix or whatever) that can do both 24V and 48V. I realize this may not be the most convenient thing for you to do.. I'm just saying - a lot of our problems

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

There's that too =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:42 PM, Jason Wilson wrote: > 48vdc would be really bad if that ePMP is NOT a GPS radio. > > > Jason Wilson > Remotely Located > Providing High Speed

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

ugh... I keep forgetting to use reply-to-all... Not every single UBNT radio... all the airfibers will happily take 48v. Mikrotik is finally starting to make most of the new stuff handle 48v (including the PowerBox Pro), but yeah. UBNT is the reason I still have to use 24v on most of our towers...

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

They make dental floss for that  :) On 06/21/2018 11:39 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Except for every single Ubnt device and a majority of Mikrotiks Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Josh Baird

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

48vdc would be really bad if that ePMP is NOT a GPS radio. Jason Wilson Remotely Located Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. 530-651-1736 530-748-9608 Cell www.remotelylocated.com On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Except for every single Ubnt device

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Fwd: 450-900mhz significant latency after 5 SM's on AP

Awesomeness :) On 06/21/2018 11:37 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote: Yes, it did. Matt *From:*AF *On Behalf Of *Dave *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:27 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: 450-900mhz significant latency after 5 SM's on AP Did this get

Re: [AFMUG] Recent licensed link pricing?

Yhea, too bad they don’t have a ship date yet. But will be interesting when they do. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: Rory Conaway Sent: Wednesday, June

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

Except for every single Ubnt device and a majority of Mikrotiks Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > I promise life will be easier if you just use 48V. :) > > On Thu, Jun 21,

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

I promise life will be easier if you just use 48V. :) On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I'm trying to use a Powerbox Pro to power up two epmp APs. The 5 GHz is > just fine but the 2 GHz is saying current too low. Both ports are getting > 23 volts and the cables are <10

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Fwd: 450-900mhz significant latency after 5 SM's on AP

Yes, it did. Matt From: AF On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:27 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: 450-900mhz significant latency after 5 SM's on AP Did this get fixed in 15.1.3? On 06/21/2018 11:04 AM, George Skorup wrote: Seems related to

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: 450-900mhz significant latency after 5 SM's on AP

Seems related to http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Low-speed-PMP450-15-1-1-when-connected-6-and-more-SM-ethernet/m-p/76606 On 6/21/2018 8:42 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Has anyone seen a huge jump in ping times to 450-900mhz SM's after you go beyond 5 SM's on the AP? I am

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux CambiumSync

Hello Forrest -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:12 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PacketFlux CambiumSync Are there plans to have a DIN mount device that supports CambiumSync? The Rackmount is too big to fit in certain places. -- AF mailing

[AFMUG] PacketFlux CambiumSync

Are there plans to have a DIN mount device that supports CambiumSync? The Rackmount is too big to fit in certain places. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Evil Microsoft

LibreOffice OpenOffice is older and all developers moved to Libreoffice. On 06/20/2018 12:29 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: OpenOffice or LibreOffice On 06/20/2018 09:00 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: It should be OK for word and excel should it not? *From:* Colin Stanners *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20,