Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-16 Thread Daniel White
March/April is the target. Should be ready for spring build season regardless. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [m

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-16 Thread TJ Trout
So when can we expect the integra-S Wide available in 11ghz? On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Daniel White wrote: > I forgot about yours Cassidy! > > > > Anyways we keep them in stock now… not many but we do have a few available. > > > > Integra will be in 13GHz too… although I suspect 6/11/42/2

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-16 Thread Daniel White
I forgot about yours Cassidy! Anyways we keep them in stock now… not many but we do have a few available. Integra will be in 13GHz too… although I suspect 6/11/42/28 will win out first (and no you can’t use 42GHz in North America… but it is a new exciting band in Europe). Daniel Wh

Re: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

2015-01-16 Thread Sean Heskett
You can set the 5.4 pmp450 ap to 80% -sean On Friday, January 16, 2015, Craig Schmaderer wrote: > Is it just me, I can not set my 450 pmp past 75%, im in 5.4, do I need > to be on 5.7? > > > > *Craig R. Schmaderer* > > *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.* > > *Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058*

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-16 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
We have a 13GHz Lumina! :). Had a packed 11GHz site with not much available, and the site was outside of the exclusion zone so it fit the need. -c > On Jan 16, 2015, at 9:38 PM, Daniel White wrote: > > We sell a lot of 13GHz internationally… but there isn’t much market for it in > North Ame

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Daniel White
W=Wideband S=Slip Fit W and non-W models are different modems at the core – which explains the different feature sets and functionality. We expect the WISP market to mostly focus on the W model long term due to the increased link budget, wide channels, etc. There will be no “integrat

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-16 Thread Daniel White
We sell a lot of 13GHz internationally… but there isn’t much market for it in North America… yet at least (or at least outside the STL world). Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail:

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Daniel White
We won’t announce pricing until the product is ready to ship. Just the way we (SAF) do things. Typically we don’t even talk about products before they are in production – but this one is of course long awaited. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (30

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Daniel White
Not usually – as the OMT or Coupler won’t match the radios. You could do it with waveguide though… Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Daniel White
We are conservatively saying ~632Mbps Full Duplex for Integra-WS an 80MHz wide channel right now. I say conservatively, because we will probably squeeze another 10Mbps or so out of it if history is any indication, if not more. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC C

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Josh Luthman
What's W and S on the Integra? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 16, 2015 11:08 PM, "Daniel White" wrote: > Both Integra radios do 1024QAM. > > > > [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] > > *Daniel White* | Managing Direct

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
I did a job for Teletronics back in 2004 in Bolivia and all the backhauls used 13 GHz. I think they were Alcatel and the N? (Red letters) ones.. long ago... Jaime Solorza On Jan 16, 2015 8:52 PM, "Daniel White" wrote: > Depending on what you call 7GHz… yes. SAF calls it Upper 6GHz – but t

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Daniel White
Both Integra radios do 1024QAM. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman S

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Daniel White
Um no. Integra-WS (80MHz channel support) will come first. Although we are talking weeks if that. At their core – both versions of Integra share a lot of the same construction – the differences come out in final assembly. Integra-W should be shipping any day honestly. Engineers asked for

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Daniel White
11GHz antennas are cheaper than 6GHz antennas. As far as the radios go… the difference is not enough that at least SAF charges different pricing. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail:

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Daniel White
TJ, 11GHz is better than 6GHz… you can use a wider channel. 56MHz to 60MHz doesn’t make much difference on capacity. Of course 1024QAM is nice – but might be hard to get on those long distance shots at high availability. Integra-W 11GHz supporting 1024QAM and 80MHz wide channels is i

Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack?

2015-01-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
Z80 is the processor that won’t die. My son had to get a TI graphing calculator for statistics class. Powered by guess what. From: Rex-List Account Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack? Ok their not there. Damn spell correc

Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack?

2015-01-16 Thread Rex-List Account
Ok their not there. Damn spell correct. J From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rex-List Account Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack? TRS-80 was there home computer. Tandy Radio Shack – Z-80 processor som

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-16 Thread Daniel White
Depending on what you call 7GHz… yes. SAF calls it Upper 6GHz – but that falls into the 7GHz range. 13GHz is… but few use it. Only 13GHz WISP links I’m aware of are in the US Virgin Islands. Anywhere else, 11GHz is still open where 13GHz can be used. Daniel White | Managing Director

Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack?

2015-01-16 Thread Rex-List Account
TRS-80 was there home computer. Tandy Radio Shack – Z-80 processor sometimes known as a trash 80. Really weren’t that bad back in the day. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSpri

Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack?

2015-01-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Ok. The 60s were a foggy time for me so I got it wrong. But I did put a ? Mark cause I was not sure. Jaime Solorza On Jan 16, 2015 8:35 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > Not Heathkit. Knight Kit? Realistic? > > They got Knight Kits when Tandy purchased Allied Radio. I had the 12-in-1 > lab kit when

Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack?

2015-01-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
Not Heathkit. Knight Kit? Realistic? They got Knight Kits when Tandy purchased Allied Radio. I had the 12-in-1 lab kit when I was about 10 years old. http://www.knightkit.com/otherkits.htm I remember building a Heath Kit AM/FM receiver with “magic eye” tuning, I think all the tubes were 12AU

Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack?

2015-01-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
I have RS Navaho CB base station...still works. And a hand scanner somewhere Jaime Solorza On Jan 16, 2015 5:35 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > I sure hope they keep some of the minimal electronics they have to begin > with in my store... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-23

Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack?

2015-01-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
They started as Tandy leather and Heathkit radio kits didnt they? Jaime Solorza On Jan 16, 2015 5:35 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > I sure hope they keep some of the minimal electronics they have to begin > with in my store... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wa

Re: [AFMUG] List test

2015-01-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Salud! Jaime Solorza On Jan 16, 2015 5:59 PM, "Andreas Wiatowski" wrote: > Testing the list > > > > Cheers, > > > > Andreas Wiatowski, CEO > > Silo Wireless Inc. > > 1-866-727-4138 x-600 > > Web: www.silowireless.com > > Facebook: www.facebook.com/silowireless > > Twitter: @silowireless > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes

2015-01-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
Dan, are you seeing this at both ends? In my case with the FW mismatch, it was only at the SM. -Original Message- From: Dan Petermann Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes we are seeing some locations with signal strength ratios

Re: [AFMUG] List test

2015-01-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Worked Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 16, 2015 7:59 PM, "Andreas Wiatowski" wrote: > Testing the list > > > > Cheers, > > > > Andreas Wiatowski, CEO > > Silo Wireless Inc. > > 1-866-727-4138 x-600 > > Web: www.silowireless.c

[AFMUG] List test

2015-01-16 Thread Andreas Wiatowski
Testing the list Cheers, Andreas Wiatowski, CEO Silo Wireless Inc. 1-866-727-4138 x-600 Web: www.silowireless.com Facebook: www.facebook.com/silowireless Twitter: @silowireless

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Yeah, I cannot start loading new SMs with 13.3 if the alignment tone is broken. So let us know when it's fixed. On 1/16/2015 6:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I’m not sure I would call it urgent, it just means that 13.3. is dead to me. I would suggest a more conspicuous warning than just an item in th

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Deployment/Construction

2015-01-16 Thread Jay Weekley
So Sterling. What is the official date for our tour? Chuck McCown wrote: And Daniel et al are the ones paying for lunch, dinner, the show, pretty much everything. Please show your thanks by sticking around as much as possible. -Original Message- From: Daniel White Sent: Tuesday, Janu

Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack?

2015-01-16 Thread Josh Luthman
I sure hope they keep some of the minimal electronics they have to begin with in my store... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 16, 2015 7:27 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > It also sounds like the deal would just be to lease some of

Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack?

2015-01-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
It also sounds like the deal would just be to lease some of the the store locations to be closed. I originally heard the story on the radio, and they made it sound like Sprint was actually buying Electrode Hut Radio Shack. I am shocked, shocked to hear that Radio Shack is in bankruptcy. How co

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-16 Thread Chuck McCown
I either had a phone call or a job offer from Dr. Viterbi once upon a time. I was pretty gob smacked. Don’t fully remember the details but I do remember the room I was in and the phone I was on when taking the call. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:54 PM To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack?

2015-01-16 Thread Chuck McCown
We closed our store a couple of years ago. It was never profitable. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:44 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack? Doesn't Mr. Chuck have a few in his portfolio? Jaime Solorza On Jan 15, 2015 5:18 PM, "Bill

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
I’m not sure I would call it urgent, it just means that 13.3. is dead to me. I would suggest a more conspicuous warning than just an item in the release notes. Like right next to the download link, Note: alignment tone broken in 13.3”. Also, why did regression tests not catch this? From: Raj

Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

2015-01-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
Reminds me of Sylvester and the giant mouse (baby kangaroo). Go get ‘im, Pop! Sufferin’ Succotash! From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Yes, I'm sure My brother-in-law was with me when it happened. All three of us w

Re: [AFMUG] FCC in Utah looking for TDWR offenders

2015-01-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Whats the latest? Jaime Solorza On Jan 16, 2015 7:48 AM, "Caleb Knauer" wrote: > This is why we can't have nice things. > > On Thursday, January 15, 2015, Jeremy wrote: > >> I was just told that the FCC is in Utah searching for five locations that >> are running on TDWR frequencies between Ogde

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread Rajesh Vijayakumar
All, We found this issue late in the program. This is a serious issue and under normal circumstances, we would not release with this. But 13.3 also makes PMP complaint with ETSI 1.7.1 that went into effect on Jan 1. So we needed 13.3 out as soon as possible for ETSI customers. The fix for the alig

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Bill Prince
I know you can run a combiner on Trango, Dragonwave, and Exalt for sure. I'm certain you can run one on most of the others too, with some restrictions. It's a nice option because it gives you some redundancy along with doubling the throughput. bp On 1/16/2015 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

2015-01-16 Thread Bill Prince
Yes, I'm sure My brother-in-law was with me when it happened. All three of us were jumping around like some Charlie Chaplin movie. One of us hit her with a shovel & killed her. It was laughable after it was over; but not during. My adrenaline level was on 11. bp On 1/16/2015 12:48 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Mike Hammett
What do your NetFlow reports say? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "TJ Trout" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:25:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? Wha

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread TJ Trout
What's the price on the 11ghz integra-s? Do you think with wisp type traffic (majority streaming video) that any increase will be realized using header compression? On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Sounds like a hell of a deal! > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Com

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Sounds like a hell of a deal! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Jon Langeler" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:16:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? +3d

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Can one put on a combiner and a different brand radio as to have moar throughput? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "TJ Trout" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:09:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Jon Langeler
+3db over non-HP models. I'll sell one link with full speed, etc. and advanced replacement for $13k or less if anyone is interested. Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2015, at 5:01 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > > What's the HP high power? What's the cost on that bad boy? >

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Half of that for one without the dual core ability. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:11:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for hi

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Mike Hammett
$30k or so. 11 gig Integra is right around the corner. It was a reasonable timeframe when Dan gave it to me earlier this week. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "TJ Trout" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, Janua

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread TJ Trout
Mike; Integra not available in 6 or 11, when they are it's only 100 meg jump in performance from the lumina... I'll checkout trango and maybe alcoma. Sounds like the IP20c is where it's at but I'm assuming they are 40K? On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:01 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > What's the HP high powe

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread TJ Trout
What's the HP high power? What's the cost on that bad boy? On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: > IP20C HP. Get a new FCC license :) You'll have another polarity to use > later or in another direction. > > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 16, 2015, at 4:48 PM, TJ Trout wro

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Jon Langeler
IP20C HP. Get a new FCC license :) You'll have another polarity to use later or in another direction. Jon Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2015, at 4:48 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > > What is my least expensive option for getting more bandwidth in 6ghz or > 11ghz ? Right now I have 366mbps (56mhz

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Mike Hammett
I refer you to my post earlier this afternoon. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "TJ Trout" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:48:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capa

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Are you buying everything new? Ask SAF what bands work with your proposed link. Consider dish size. Now with possible bands, see what are available from a frequency coordinator. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 16, 2015 4:48 P

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

2015-01-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Usually very tasty! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 16, 2015 4:46 PM, "James Howard" wrote: > Depends on how they’re cooked. They can be really sticky sometimes or > hard if they’re not cooked enough…. Aside from that, I don

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread TJ Trout
What is my least expensive option for getting more bandwidth in 6ghz or 11ghz ? Right now I have 366mbps (56mhz 256qam) would like double or better? On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: > compression yields a lot at 64byte packet, but yields much less at 256byte > and larger...i

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

2015-01-16 Thread James Howard
Depends on how they’re cooked. They can be really sticky sometimes or hard if they’re not cooked enough…. Aside from that, I don’t know what’s wrong with noodles. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: R

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

2015-01-16 Thread Josh Luthman
What's wrong with noodles?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 16, 2015 4:33 PM, "Paul McCall" wrote: > +1 LOL > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *James Howard > *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 4:32

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

2015-01-16 Thread Paul McCall
+1 LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup Looks like Josh is asking for a wet noodle lashing for not actually reading Paul’s email……. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.co

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

2015-01-16 Thread Paul McCall
Josh, Bro… did you actually read the whole first email? LOL Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =) Josh

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

2015-01-16 Thread James Howard
Looks like Josh is asking for a wet noodle lashing for not actually reading Paul’s email……. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup OK, please post to the list when/how if you

Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

2015-01-16 Thread James Howard
A friend of mine grew up in New York and says they had sewer rats that big all over the place when he was a kid. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Sure it wasn’t a muskrat? Fro

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

2015-01-16 Thread Josh Luthman
OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall wrote: > It will be a manual subscription…. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

2015-01-16 Thread Paul McCall
It will be a manual subscription…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340

Re: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes

2015-01-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
There was some discussion that because of the way the metalization was done inside the old fiberglass 27RD dishes, it would not work with dual polarization. I'm pretty sure we must have changed out some FSK for 450 though on the old fiberglass dishes by now and have not seen that problem. I h

Re: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring

2015-01-16 Thread Erich Kaiser
Does it have dry contacts? Erich Kaiser North Central Tower Consulting er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: > Tycon? > > Gino A. Villarini > @gvillarini > > > > On Jan 16, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Erich Kaiser > wr

Re: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring

2015-01-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
Jay uses WEB600. From: Erich Kaiser Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring Looking for tower monitoring, with 4 dry contacts, ethernet connectivity and built-in alerting, any solutions, besides ITWatchdogs? Low cost.

Re: [AFMUG] Keystone Cover

2015-01-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
Like this? http://store.stsi.com/cjd5e88tbu.html From: Mathew Howard Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 11:20 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Keystone Cover There are small surface mount boxes that a keystone jack will snap into... like this: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=105&cp_id=10517&

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Jon Langeler
compression yields a lot at 64byte packet, but yields much less at 256byte and larger...it's a curve. Also if your upgrading a long 5GHz link with 6Ghz, you'll probably be slightly better off even if the calcs say 'low uptime'. 11GHz will 'swing' during rains more than 6GHz obviously so the hi

Re: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring

2015-01-16 Thread Gino Villarini
Tycon? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Jan 16, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote: Built-in alerting. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower Consulting er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 O

Re: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring

2015-01-16 Thread Erich Kaiser
Built-in alerting. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower Consulting er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > mFi? > > PacketFlux? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com >

Re: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring

2015-01-16 Thread Mike Hammett
mFi? PacketFlux? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Erich Kaiser" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:54:05 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring Looking for tower monitoring, with 4 dry conta

[AFMUG] Tower monitoring

2015-01-16 Thread Erich Kaiser
Looking for tower monitoring, with 4 dry contacts, ethernet connectivity and built-in alerting, any solutions, besides ITWatchdogs? Low cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

2015-01-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, "Paul McCall" wrote: > Guys, > > > > We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.

Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

2015-01-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
Sure it wasn’t a muskrat? From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 11:19 AM To: Motorola III Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... The big rat came when I was working on my brother-in-law's farm when I was a teenager. A mother rat had somehow taken up residence in a corn silo. She made

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Erich Kaiser
Had a link over 16 miles, have not had one issue even through heavy rains. It has 3ft Radiowaves dishes. Apex Plus. 56Mhz channel. Don't be scared Ken... On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous? > > I’m thinking it might be e

Re: [AFMUG] CNUT?

2015-01-16 Thread That One Guy
nevermind it turned up On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:37 PM, That One Guy wrote: > Is it gone/ Im not seeing it in the support downloads > > -- > All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the > parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you > can't

Re: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes

2015-01-16 Thread Dan Petermann
we are seeing some locations with signal strength ratios 20.0 dB V - H dB and I’m trying to figure out why. On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Peter Kranz wrote: > If you convert from the original PMP100 RD25 dishes to RCL-2 dishes you will > experience a +4dB signal gain. So it depends on if you ne

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2015-01-16 Thread Rory Conaway
You should eat more fiber. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Test I’m back. Been blocked for a while. Thanks Paul. Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh L

[AFMUG] CNUT?

2015-01-16 Thread That One Guy
Is it gone/ Im not seeing it in the support downloads -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM

[AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

2015-01-16 Thread Paul McCall
Guys, We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference. It will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as we

Re: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes

2015-01-16 Thread Peter Kranz
If you convert from the original PMP100 RD25 dishes to RCL-2 dishes you will experience a +4dB signal gain. So it depends on if you need that margin. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message--

[AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes

2015-01-16 Thread Dan Petermann
We are converting one of our oldest sites to 450. Does anyone know if the older dishes have problems with the 450 SMs? Some of these dishes are 10 years old. I wouldn’t think so, but you never know until you ask.

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Gino Villarini
+1 Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Jan 16, 2015, at 4:17 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: I don't think anything is faster than Ceragon IP-20C or Cambium 820C in 4x4 using two channels. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ___

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
I hear people say they can’t do tone alignment all the time and I don’t believe it. Supposedly only 4% of people are tone deaf. Hey, I cannot sing the same note as the person next to me, but I have no trouble doing tone alignment. When I get such people to use an amplified speaker, I find they

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't think anything is faster than Ceragon IP-20C or Cambium 820C in 4x4 using two channels. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "TJ Trout" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:54:17 PM Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread Bill Prince
A lot of people are tone deaf, but I think it's more rare than color blindness. The tone alignment has always worked very well for me. I happen to be color blind, but it has not been a major problem for me. I still "see" colors, but I think the intensity (or something) is different. I usual

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Header compression\deduplication. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:13:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Josh Luthman
That sounds backwards. Why would smaller packets net you greater throughput? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Jeremy wrote: > It's really 60. Ours does 1.4Gbps, 700Mbps full duplex (if every packet

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Jeremy
It's really 60. Ours does 1.4Gbps, 700Mbps full duplex (if every packet was a VoIP packet)...500Mbps FDX is a more realistic real-world TCP throughput that you can expect. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Hardy, Tim wrote: > It’s really 60! > > > > *60 MHz * > > *CH* > > *N(* > > *G(* > > 1 >

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Hardy, Tim
It’s really 60! 60 MHz CH N( G( 1 5960.0250 6212.0650 2 6019.3250 6271.3650 3 6078.6250 6330.6650 4 6137.9250 6389.9650 As far as XPIC on 30 MHz vs. 60 MHz it all depends on the environment. If x-pol is needed to clear a channel, it isn’t going to be available on the orthogonal

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2015-01-16 Thread SmarterBroadband
I’m back. Been blocked for a while. Thanks Paul. Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Test Test worked Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne S

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Charles Boening
Looks like a full 60 in our Aviat gear. [cid:image001.png@01D03184.A0B401E0] __ Charles Boening Network Manager 800-858-2399 | Office charl...@calore.net www.cot.net | Find us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread Gino Villarini
Yes, my wife had me take a hearing exam… turns out I had HHD… Husband Hearing Disease !!! :-) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Gino Villarini
Yes, but xpic is x2 the cost Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 3:58 PM To: "af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2015-01-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Test worked Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:00 PM, SmarterBroadband < li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote: > Testing >

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread Josh Luthman
It's like being color blind. I just don't get it when I hear it. I hear changes, but changes mean nothing to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > Make them pass a tone deafn

[AFMUG] Test

2015-01-16 Thread SmarterBroadband
Testing

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Make them pass a tone deafness test before you hire them? Does such a thing even exist? Apparently this must be a bit like being color blind. The tone is really easy for me to use, far easier than looking at the numbers. Yet I have been at sites with certain installers that claim they can

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous? I’m thinking it might be easier to do XPIC on the same 30 MHz channel than to find 60 MHz of available spectrum, but I haven’t done anything in 6 GHz, mainly because of antenna size. Yes the FCC did relax the antenna rules to allow down to

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Hardy, Tim
There are 80 MHz allocations at 11 GHz – so you can license a single 80 MHz channel pair. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 6ghz will only be 6

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Jon Langeler
6ghz will only be 60mhz wide. Two 11Ghz channels will be 80Mhz wide. intelpath charges under $200 to see if the possibility even exists. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:57 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > > I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio > in te

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