Re: DIS: Proto now

On 11/04/17 18:39, Madeline wrote: > One thing I'm trying to figure out - why would you only scam a black > ribbon when you could just as easily scam every ribbon? > You can also just scam a win directly. The herald's report records the method of victory partly as a matter of prestige. It'd just

Re: DIS: Proto: CEO v2: Now with revamped estates

On 11/03/17 12:45, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I said before I didn't have time to work on it, but the rest of your > system is clear and I like it - drastically decreases the reforms needed > to get land working so maybe I'll have a crack if you don't mind? > Go for it. signature.asc Description:

Re: DIS: Proto: CEO v2: Now with revamped estates

On 11/03/17 12:11, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Nic Evans wrote: >> Enact a new Power 1 rule titled "Estate Types and Assets" with the >> following text: > So, I'm not very keen on this part. I think that these add very little > to Land

Re: DIS: Proto: CEO v2: Now with revamped estates

(Hopefully) fixed in the next version. I really need to make a proposal editing checklist and put 'ensure MMI compliance' as every other bullet. On 11/03/17 11:42, Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 12:38 Nic Evans <mailto:nich...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >

DIS: Proto: CEO v2: Now with revamped estates

title: Complete Economic Overhaul v2 ai: 2 author: nichdel co-authors: Alexis, PSS, ais523, o, aris [changelog: * the first draft of estates!! * s/Secretary/Treasuror * a couple typos, including inanimate their * increase monthly pay from 50 to 100 (enough for 7 actions) * Housekeeping on Communit

Re: DIS: Draft: [Proposal] Auctions

Overall I like the bones of this. Notes sprinkled throughout. On 10/27/17 21:01, ATMunn wrote: > The draft of my long-awaited (not really) auctions proposal is finally > finished. > Here it is in all its glory (not really): > > Title: Auctions > Author: ATMunn > Co-Authors: (none) > AI: 2 > > In

Re: DIS: Proto: Complete Economic Overhaul

On 10/25/17 22:16, Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 at 23:15 Nic Evans <mailto:nich...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > The intended specialization is in the not-yet-included Estates > sections. Each player could have only one estate, and each estate > would pro

Re: DIS: Proto: Complete Economic Overhaul

On 10/25/17 21:50, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > Amend 2445 'How to Pend a Proposal' by replacing the paragraphs > starting with 'a)' and 'b)' with: > >    a) by spending 1 Pending Ticket, OR > > How does one get a Pend Ticket?  > >    b) by paying eir Action Cost in shinies. Eir Action

DIS: Proto: Complete Economic Overhaul

In the interest of collaborating with everyone else that is working on econ-related proposals, I'm posting the drafts of my Econ Overhaul as they get written. Here's the first one. Would love any feedback. # Shinies Amend 2483 'Economics' to read, in full:    Shinies (singular "shiny", abbreviat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Asset Auctions

On 10/25/17 17:47, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Oct 2017, ATMunn wrote: >> I might not vote for this, as I'm working on a draft for a much more >> in-depth Auctions proposal. Hopefully I'll post that draft soon, >> however I haven't had much time to work on it recently. > Just as a warning,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Secretary] Basic income distribution revision 2 (attn ais523)

On 10/25/17 17:49, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Wed, 25 Oct 2017, Nic Evans wrote: >> I favor this case. > Given how many game facts playerhood drives are you able to turn this one > around pretty quickly (within 4 days)? If so I'll assign right away. > > Yes

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Asset Auctions

x27;s talk Economic Realities" I'm unlikely to act on this anytime soon and I'd be glad to see your proposal. > > On 10/25/2017 3:37 PM, Nic Evans wrote: >> I know there's some talk of wider Estate fixes, but this fixes one of >> the issues and also gives Agora so

Re: DIS: Let's talk Economic Realities

On 10/25/17 16:30, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Secondarily, I'd like to remove actions that require knowing the whole > gamestate (of those currencies) perfectly and fluctuates on a weekly > basis: setting FV in particular. If "the value of everything" changes > with an officer's announcement and req

Re: DIS: Let's talk Economic Realities

stamp (as a fraction of all existing stamps). On 10/25/17 15:39, Nic Evans wrote: > > On 10/25/17 14:44, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> It doesn't work that way. When everyone's their own specialist, no one is. >> Trading for the stamp win condition is up there with trust token

Re: DIS: Let's talk Economic Realities

On 10/25/17 14:44, Kerim Aydin wrote: > It doesn't work that way. When everyone's their own specialist, no one is. > Trading for the stamp win condition is up there with trust tokens as a > standalone and fairly useless activity, insufficient to support an economy. [...] > With respect, I thin

DIS: Re: BUS: Hon Our Not Ice

On 10/25/17 14:20, Nic Evans wrote: > This is a notice of honour. > > O gains 1 honour, for being the best at what e does. > PSS loses 1 honour for being a contrarian. > Oops, that was meant to be CB, not PSS. I'll fix it next week I guess. signature.asc Descript

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Secretary] Basic income distribution

On 10/25/17 11:52, Kerim Aydin wrote: > People don't spend to buy others' votes. They just don't. I have > theories as to why, but while I've seen many many people set up contracts, > etc. to sell votes, over years of observed play they rarely make more > than a few shinies here and there.

Re: DIS: Let's talk Economic Realities

On 10/25/17 11:47, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Hi all, I wanted to share some observations on what makes Agoran > economies function, and where we're not quite there yet. These are just > observations from watching systems go by. > > - To get trading, you need SPECIALIZATION and DIVERSE GOODS. Fo

DIS: Proto Contract

I'm posting this now partially for feedback, and partially so I can easily establish it if/when contracts pass: Title: Nichdel's Premium Stamp Market Any player may become, or cease to be, a party of this contract by announcement. While nichdel owns no stamps created by a given player, stamps cr

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3571 assigned to Nichdel

Wow I can't read today. Carry on. On 10/15/17 16:28, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > The thing you quoted says "with Shinies"...? > > On Sun, 15 Oct 2017, Nic Evans wrote: >> On 10/06/17 14:14, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> [Sorry, I initially missed th

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3571 assigned to Nichdel

On 10/06/17 14:14, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > [Sorry, I initially missed the second "linked" CFJ in the below message.] > > >>> I also call a linked CFJ (yes, I know those don't exist) with Shinies >>> with the statement: "G: Overlord of Dunce is an Agency." Did this linked CFJ work? It doesn't say

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election Campaigns

On 09/28/17 14:26, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Alex Smith wrote: >> On Thu, 2017-09-28 at 19:06 +, Alexis Hunt wrote: >>> I submit the following and spend 1 AP to pend it: >>> I pend this proposal for 1 AP. >> IIRC these both work, leaving you out of AP for the week. > I don't

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Passive Income

On 09/28/2017 03:15 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: I submit the following proposal: Title: Passive Income Author: o Co-authors: G. AI: 2.0 Create a new rule, titled "Distributing Assets", with power 1, whose text is To “distribute” a quantity of a fungible asset to a set of recipients is to

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7876-7898

On 09/27/17 12:45, Josh T wrote: > I'm not going to officially CoE on this, but I am listed not by 天火狐 Sorry. I do that in my records to avoid any potential unicode problems. Normally I manually edit it. > > 天火狐 > > On 26 September 2017 at 15:49, nichdel > wrote: > >

DIS: Re: OFF: Re: [Herald] More than one way to skin a win

On 09/27/17 11:22, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> CuddleBeam: >>> I dislike having wins being granted by election like this, because it feels >>> too easy. I vote present. > So I agree with CuddleBeam's sentiment here - in this case the Victory > Election > wa

DIS: Proto: Very Important Reportor Amendment

Quick proto idea (doesn't even actually require a rule): have each officer, when they submit a report, also privately send the Reportor a short editorial about their relevant gamestate bits. The Reportor then includes all of them in the Newspaper. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital sign

Re: DIS: Assessment

On 09/26/17 18:45, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Could you provide your assessment script for your successor’s use? > > Gaelan > The kludge and example outputs are attached. Somewhere I have a nascent yaml version; if it ever gets done I'll post it. Didn't capture vote N Didn't capture vote N Didn't cap

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

On 09/25/2017 11:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I will issue everyone who does this a trust token (all at once, with my charity report) and will try to think of a more substantial token of gratitude. Thank you. -Aris On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:53 PM VJ Rada > wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

On 09/23/17 20:35, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > >> This is Cuddlebeam-esque and I'm ashamed of myself. But I >> will now copy and paste "Without objection, I intend to win by >> apathy", until there is thousands of  copies of that text, each of >> which is a seper

Re: BUS: Lime Ribbon Awarding and Unrelated Question (Was: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7876-7898)

On 09/26/17 15:41, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Oh, I forgot my question: > > I am soon planning to transition to Linux for most of my computing. What is > the best email program (CLI or otherwise) that I could use for emailing for > Agora? Entirely up to preference. Thunderbird is

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7876-7898

On 09/26/17 14:59, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, nichdel wrote: >> |VJ Rada | F    | A    | A    | F    | F    | F    | F    | F    | P    | > Does VJ Rada have 2 votes on everything for being prime minister? > > > Correct but luckily for me that doesn't change any results this tim

DIS: Assessment

I probably won't be able to keep up with assessment for a few months if it continues at this volume. The bottom line of my excuse being that I'm currently sitting on the floor with my desktop on a coffee table, frustrated that my email client is ignoring my retention settings, sad that I have yet t

Re: DIS: Rules confuse me.

On 09/25/17 21:47, Trigon wrote: > At the time that I'm writing this, the Full Logical Ruleset [1] claims > that the most recent change to the ruleset is the adoption of Proposal > 7875, "Better Accounting" [2]. This should have modified rules 2496 > and 2497, but the text that was proposed to be

DIS: Re: CFJ (Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7899-7904)

On 09/25/17 18:38, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > I CFJ on the statement: > >     In the below quoted message, VJ Rada endorsed G. > > Argument: Rule 2127 states > >   Casting a vote endorsing another voter is equivalent to >   conditionally casting a vote whose value is the same as the most >  

Re: DIS: Economy and Games

On 09/23/2017 06:55 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: What fatal mistakes can a new player make? Right now, since we lack a basic income or enough 'easy' rewards, new players can burn through their Welcome Package and not be able to replenish it. On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:52 AM,

Re: DIS: Economy and Games

On 09/23/2017 06:38 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Sun, 2017-09-24 at 01:30 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: Btw Agoran Geronotocracy has been a problem since forever: http://users.cecs.anu.edu.au/~michaeln/agora/subgame-manifesto.html#g erontocracy-syndrome One obvious fix is to make it so that it's possib

Re: DIS: Economy and Games

On 09/23/2017 04:47 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: I think a good way to analyze the game design is to guess in how much time the average player (eith average activeness and skill) will achieve a win (or dictatorship) given their join date. If its not the same (or very similar) for someone who was aro

Re: DIS: Various questions

On 09/23/17 09:21, ATMunn . wrote: > I've put together a list of various different questions I have. I > don't expect all of them to get answered, but feel free to answer any > that you can. > > > > What is the whole "floating value" thing? What determines it, and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

On 09/22/17 23:27, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> On Sep 22, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Nic Evans > <mailto:nich...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> As for the gerontocracy argument: Money is an inherently >> gerontocratic system. It abstracts value from labor in a way that &

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

On 09/22/17 21:40, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Sep 22, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: >> >>> but would you consider supporting one that shrinks welcome packages? >> >> http://www.hearthcards.net/cards/9b7efdf4.png > Alt text: a Hearthstone card with the legend “Gerontocracy Warning”, > c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

On 09/22/17 21:44, Cuddle Beam wrote: > memes aside, I think that we're young enough in this current system > that I don't mind there being player-wide taxing or rebalancing or > something until we settle on something stable. > > HOWEVER, a way to look at it is that having the floating value be >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

On 09/22/17 21:18, Owen Jacobson wrote: > On Sep 22, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> given that it's so far mostly been the new player award that trips the big >> drop in Agora balance, automatic right-sizing of the economy to the number >> of players seems important an stability fix (m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On 09/22/17 20:46, Nic Evans wrote: > > On 09/22/17 19:46, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> Create a pledge owned by nichdel, whose terms are >> >> { >> I pledge to not acknowledge any messages Cuddle Beam sends to >> a-d, or to respond i

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On 09/22/17 19:46, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I noticed a significant mechanical defect and a style defect after I pended > it, so I withdraw the proposal “Make Your Home Shine” and submit the > following proposal in its place. This time, for sure! > > Title: Make Your Home Shine > Author: o > Co-a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Assessing Votes

On 09/20/17 19:01, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: > >> Due to a stressful trip coming up this weekend and the size of the > > There was a part of my brain that expected the rest of the message to > contain "I deregister". I de... se

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: humble agoran farmer auctions Estates

On 09/18/17 20:01, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I’m sorry, I overreacted. > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > > > I don't think you're the one being reactionary here. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: DIS: [Draft] Make Your Home Shine, or, Contracts On The Cheap

On 09/14/17 19:48, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Sep 13, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: >> >> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >>> Title: Make Your Home Shine >>> Author: o >>> Co-authors: CuddleBeam >>> AI: 1.7 >>> >>> For the purposes of clarity, no existing pledge is intende

Re: DIS: a relief valve

Combining this idea with a separate discussion: Make the Speaker electable, but the only valid options are people with a certain karma threshold. If the current holder drops below that, e can be impeached. On 09/13/17 14:25, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > [Talked about several times recently, but inspire

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prime Minister] Speaker & Card

gistrar deregisters me, so there's no chance of causing more reversion and uncertainty in the meantime. > this little bit of Win uncertainty is *really* stre > On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: >> On 09/13/17 16:58, VJ Rada wrote: >>> Because we currently have no speake

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Guaranteed Stamp Income

On 09/13/17 15:21, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: >>>player CAN, by announcement, create a Stamp with Agora as the Creater > "Creator" is actually a correct word in this case! I'm aware, and avoided it so it didn't look

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Basic Guaranteed Income

ople would want a cut of the claimed money, meaning there's competition, meaning the money is getting moved around the market, which is generally good. If two people offer equally good deals, people will gravitate towards the most trustworthy or the least threatening as well. > > On Wed, 13

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Basic Guaranteed Income

the specific case of hitting rock-bottom with FV, which should make things a bit smoother overall. > > On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: >> Here's my take on a basic income. Note that it's a form of guaranteed, >> rather than universal, income in the sense that it on

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Basic Guaranteed Income

#x27;s text will be until I assess votes for the current round, so I didn't think it prudent to try to do a bunch of relative clauses. > >> On Sep 13, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Nic Evans wrote: >> >> Here's my take on a basic income. Note that it's a form of guarantee

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7872-7875

On 09/12/17 12:32, Gaelan Steele wrote: > >> On Sep 12, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Nic Evans wrote: >> >> I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 78572-7875 as below. > Oh dear, did CuddleBeam find a way to spam proposal pending? Also, weren’t > these already

Re: DIS: [very early proto/idea] Inter-Nomic Currency

On 09/12/17 09:06, Gaelan Steele wrote: > I have a clause in there about imported Subers being traceable back to a > Suber Creation Event. Presumably, this is something we’d do by proposal to > authorize another nomic’s minting of new Subers. In other words, BN could > fiat Subers into existence

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Severe email problems

t; >>> I'm fine to judge if needed, although I strongly disclaim being reassigned >>> 3555. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: >>>> I'm not getting Ais's messages either >>>> >>>> On Tu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

intent seems unambiguous to me. They're more style suggestions than anything else. > > >> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:42 PM, Nic Evans wrote: >> >> WRT to this style of proposal: >> >> >> On 09/10/17 16:30, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>&

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

WRT to this style of proposal: On 09/10/17 16:30, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: { > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave > Agora > index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644 > --- a/rules/How to Jo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

On 09/10/17 12:41, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I've always disliked thought police rules, we've had them, but both > the burden of evidence and bad feeling make them a pain, and trying > to codify specific forbidden speech leaves loopholes where a scammer > can skirt the technical punishment while still

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: humble agoran farmer cashes in your stamps

On 09/07/17 18:53, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:58 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >> Seeing as I have to recordkeep the damn thing, I also so pledge. Gaelan, can >> you send that my way, as well? My From: address is fine. >> >> Note that I am already in possession of information wh

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

On 09/06/17 18:47, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I think that's great for Agora but if its based on a CFJ or tradition, > that's more of the "implicit rules" (or "obscure rules") phenomenon > which I dislike. Conditional-ing stuff is as powerful as a real > mechanic imo, and one of the most powerful ones. L

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

On 09/06/17 18:16, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Note: we have explicit conditional voting, but not conditional > explicit action-doing in general. > > I'm in favor of conditional action-doing in general because it's > another useful tool for doing stuff (...and the rules are silent on > the issue). Voting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

it's got beds, and some of them don't have bed > bugs. But you're out on your luck, so this will have to do. > > On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 16:08 Nic Evans <mailto:nich...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I bid 15 shinies. > > > On 09

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

On 09/02/17 18:12, Nic Evans wrote: > I bid 15 shinies. Since this is already irrelevant and I don't intend to continue to be annoying about it I'll just mention my working theory: 1) A matched bid stops the highest bidder from being able to claim the estate. This seems pretty cer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Organization Repeal

On 09/02/17 17:37, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I think we could upgrade Agencies to that they can hold Shinies > themselves. With that plus proper Powers, they could operate extremely > similarly to how I believe Organizations are intended to. (And even > WITHOUT that, they still can, although with a bi

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Promotor draft report

On 08/31/17 16:50, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nic Evans wrote: >>> I'm opposed to anything that doesn't scale with need. A regular payday >>> would mostly benefit the already successful players. > This is where I disagree, primarily. We'

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Promotor draft report

On 08/31/17 16:17, Nic Evans wrote: > (I've been a bit distracted lately but I'm keeping up with conversation.) > > The current economy was designed with the idea of coupling economics > closely to productivity. Creating work costs, and resolving work pays. > It

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Promotor draft report

On 08/29/17 13:00, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Aug 29, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 29 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: IDAuthor(s) AI Title --- pp1 nichdel, o, gr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

On 08/24/17 20:15, Alex Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2017-08-24 at 19:53 -0500, Nic Evans wrote: >> * We have too many subsystems. It's hard to admit because nearly all of >> them are neat and well designed, but it's just too much in one game at >> once. Do we need thr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

On 08/23/17 22:46, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:37 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: >> >> like playing I Want To Be The Guy > Steady on! > > Actually, I broadly agree with your overall thesis. Precedent and history are > _important_, and I think it’s worth understanding why things are t

Re: DIS: all work and no pay?

On 08/24/17 15:46, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Does the Arbitor get paid at all for doing eir duties? > What about the Assessor? > For Assessor: "Resolving an Agoran Decision for the first time this week: 5 shinies." So only if there is something to resolve.

Re: DIS: "The Ruleset is our Joystick" Proto Proposal / Proto Proposal Competition

On 08/24/17 11:56, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I thought people were over that. I just think it's a poor blueprint to model yourself after, apt as it may be. > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Nic Evans <mailto:nich...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > On 08/24/17

Re: DIS: "The Ruleset is our Joystick" Proto Proposal / Proto Proposal Competition

On 08/24/17 10:06, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I bring up Blognomic a lot tbh but I bring Agora up a lot in Blognomic > too. I strive to improve stuff for both via sharing stuff between > them, a bit like how tea was brought from China to Britain and become > super cool stuff in both places. https://en

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3513 Judged TRUE by Quazie

On 08/01/2017 06:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3513 (This document is informational only and contains no game actions). == CFJ 3513 = In a message dated Mon, 22 May 2017 15:31

DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Smuggling (Again)

On 08/01/2017 12:48 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: On Jul 30, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Nic Evans <mailto:nich...@gmail.com>> wrote: Everything in the last attempt failed because I never had any shinies, stamps did not exist, and the mechanisms of ASaAA refered to were void at that time. So here

DIS: Re: BUS: Payment of Pending List Price for Proposal "Agoraculture v. 2.0"

On 07/31/2017 02:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: CFJ: babelian has pended eir most recently submitted proposal. You need to use AP or Shinies to submit the CFJ. Gratuitous arguments: It has previously been found that actions could be spread across multiple messages. However, I

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

On 07/30/2017 02:22 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: I am not sure whether to accept this or not. I accepted a CoE last week, but I shouldn’t have because you had been deregistered by ratification, so should I accept this? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7867-7868

On 07/30/2017 10:45 AM, nichdel wrote: I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7867-7868as below. [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the following proposals. For each decision, the opti

DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Smuggling

On 07/30/2017 10:57 AM, Nic Evans wrote: I transfer 1 shiny to ASaAA, which gives me one ASaAA proxy. { Me: 9 sh. 1 Stamp (nichdel). 1 ASaAA Proxy ASaAA: 8 sh. } I should've noted here: The ASaAA had 7 shinies I transfered to it before the proposal passed [1], and the proposal didn

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3537 reassigned to o

On 07/29/2017 06:30 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: My terminal email reader shows no formatting distinction between the new and old parts of your message. As such, until I read more carefully, I was about to complain that it was now too late for you to move to reconsideration. It is possible that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

On 07/27/2017 08:30 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: I note that GII disturbingly requires the SLR to be _accurate_ for any of the actions to happen. What's the likelihood of that, when (according to itself) it hasn't been ratified in 3 years... Greetings, Ørjan. Real idea: Ratify the Ruleset ever

Re: DIS: Re: 3527 judgement

On 07/24/2017 05:42 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Tue, 2017-07-25 at 08:39 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: Here is my judgement of this CFJ, which has definitely already been judged. Looks like I missed it first time, and couldn't find it in a search because the number "3527" doesn't appear anywhere in the e

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3544 assigned to grok

wrote: On Sun, 2017-07-23 at 15:21 -0500, Nic Evans wrote: > On 07/23/2017 03:08 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > Denied, nothing caused it to cease to exist. > > I submit the following CFJ: C♥️U is an agency. This is CFJ 3544. I a

Re: DIS: [Proto] Vexity (was Re: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.)

On 07/18/2017 09:58 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: A person whose Vexity is zero may initiate a Call for Judgement by announcement. A person whose Vexity is not zero may initiate a Call for Judgement with N Agoran Support, where N is the value of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Less Strict Faking

On 07/20/17 19:07, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>> Amend R2471 (No Faking) to read: >>> >>> A person SHALL NOT attempt to perform an action which e does not believe >>> to be possible so as to deceive others. > What's the standard for belief.

DIS: Re: Proposal: Less Strict Faking

likely type of person, but the shocking thing is none of that behavior is apparently bad enough to be punishable. So maybe we should start fixing that. On 07/13/17 15:37, Nic Evans wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > Title: Less Strict Faking > AI: 1 > Author: nichdel >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: public private contracts

You also created an organization with a Japanese charter, which is acceptable because nothing says that chaarters have to be understandable. But it also hasn't been allowed to do anything meaningful. By the same token you could make a proposal in any language, pend it andd vote on it, but whether i

Re: DIS: Can unregulated actions cause changes to the gamestate?

cripts to automatically apply it. If people don't like it, though, they shouldn't be mandated to use it. > Just personal conjecture though, mostly influenced by BN and how more > smoother I perceive it to be than Agora in this regard. > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Nic Eva

Re: DIS: Can unregulated actions cause changes to the gamestate?

On 07/19/17 15:07, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Related to the Ruleset being outdated and needing a Rulekeepor and > that driving me mad lol, If I get the chance to go code it, I'll > definitely try to make a thing like this: > > https://i.gyazo.com/a9d07830e67fa7b2901aa70b9f3987e7.png This looks fine for

Re: DIS: [Proto] Vexity (was Re: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.)

I should also add: If a player wants to use all eir hard-earned shinies on useless CFJs (which the judges will get paid for resolving), then e should feel free. On 07/18/17 20:26, Nic Evans wrote: > > On 07/18/17 20:13, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> This loosely replicates the idea of

Re: DIS: [Proto] Vexity (was Re: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.)

On 07/18/17 20:13, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > This loosely replicates the idea of a vexatious litigant, and could easily be > folded into nichdel’s penalty reforms. The short timeout on Vexity, and the > increasing consent requirement for increasing Vexity, is meant to prevent a > rogue Referee

Re: DIS: Two Related Protos: Judicial Expansion and Criminal Cases

7;attempt things and find out if they worked later' ethos is very dangerous to that underpinning. > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > > > >> On Jul 14, 2017, at 4:24 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >> >> On

Re: DIS: Two Related Protos: Judicial Expansion and Criminal Cases

On 07/14/17 03:24, Owen Jacobson wrote: > On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > >> As for crimes themselves, what follows is the proto text: >> >> { >> >> Crimes are divided into Classes, and Levels. Each Class specifies >> general qualificati

Re: DIS: Two Related Protos: Judicial Expansion and Criminal Cases

On 07/13/17 17:44, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Jul 2017, Alex Smith wrote: >> On Thu, 2017-07-13 at 15:23 -0500, Nic Evans wrote: >>> (I already have a good deal of text written for these, but wanted >>> feedback on the abstracts before getting too committe

Re: DIS: Two Related Protos: Judicial Expansion and Criminal Cases

On 07/13/17 17:16, Alex Smith wrote: > I currently try to pick appropriate judges for CFJs, while keeping > things balanced. I'm not necessarily opposed to this change, but it'd > likely lead to a more even distribution of cases to judges, which might > or might not be seen as a good thing. I have

DIS: Two Related Protos: Judicial Expansion and Criminal Cases

(I already have a good deal of text written for these, but wanted feedback on the abstracts before getting too committed.) Judicial Expansion -- Players opt-in to the judge list. When a judge is needed, assign to the first on the list that isn't ineligible, then move them to the e

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

On 06/29/2017 12:49 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: >Spivak is personally important to me. I don't think I've overstated my feelings on this matter in the least. OK. It's alright to have that. I don't need your approval. I'm just curious how that is compatible with what you've stated here: http://www.m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

On 06/29/2017 12:32 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: >Your argument is that the comfort of one person, you, outweighs >the comfort of any other persons? And that 'needing to think of >pronouns' is an issue singular to you, and not also everyone else? Possibly. I could be a Utility Monster, which could be c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

On 06/29/2017 12:10 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: >This, to my mind, is beyond the pale. The fact that you're unwilling >to 'stop and think' for other people's comfort. The fact that you >are either willfully or ignorantly conflating 'technically acceptable' >and 'I can call people whatever I want and no

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer aka robin hood

On 06/29/2017 08:51 AM, CuddleBeam wrote: > The only way you can be carded is by 'breaking' a pledge, and the >only definition of 'breaking' in the rules specifies the *creator* of >the pledge. No? It just says: "Breaking a publicly-made pledge is a cardable offense." Without specifying the

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