Re: Very Proto Economy (Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization_

2023-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:07 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > - I like the Focuses idea. > - I think you'd really just want to use your Stamps to win rather than > anything else. Maybe instead you can only Focus on something if you have > the right Stamp or combination of Stamps

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-20 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I do agree with that Officers should be rewarded somehow, but my main issue here is how the democracy is run, not Officer rewards. Maybe we could keep those rewards somehow without any nerfs while limiting or nerfing other things? I've attempted a "Officer salary" proto, anyways. I'm also sorry

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:49 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:46 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On 5/19/23 16:40, Forest Sweeney wrote: > > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:31 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discus

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:46 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/19/23 16:40, Forest Sweeney wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:31 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > > > On 5/19/23 16:16, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 16:40, Forest Sweeney wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:31 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 5/19/23 16:16, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > > I consent to all rice plans that have my player in the Rice Up > list and do > > not have my player

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:40 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > I'd argue that I fit criteria 4 of Rule 2519 ("Consent"): > "4. it is reasonably clear from context that e wanted the action to > take place or assented to it taking place." There's quite a few precedents in dif

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
*Blows smoke off gun, spins pistol back into holster* On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 10:42 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:40 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I think it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:40 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I think it could, because I believe they are providing context which > reasonably indicates that they want their consent to be applied in that > way. The 4st point in Rule 2519 seems t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:31 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/19/23 16:16, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > > I consent to all rice plans that have my player in the Rice Up list and > do > > not have my player in the Rice Down list. I al

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I think it could, because I believe they are providing context which reasonably indicates that they want their consent to be applied in that way. The 4st point in Rule 2519 seems to allow it. On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 10:31 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 11:47 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > So, only someone who already is in power and a beneficiary of the system > should be entitled to propose change things? Er, I never said you couldn't propose. I was giving you feedback on how I felt about voting for

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 16:16, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > I consent to all rice plans that have my player in the Rice Up list and do > not have my player in the Rice Down list. I also consent to all rice plans > that have no players in the Rice Up list and I am not in the Rice Down list. > > (Co

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Ricemastor] Nihilist gohan

2023-05-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
I made a better consent notification anyhow, but thanks for looking out for me! (I noticed my failure to use the right fora as well... such a 4st thing to do!) On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:18 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/19/23 16:11, Forest Swee

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8980-8984

2023-05-19 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 14:21, Beokirby via agora-discussion wrote: On 2023-05-18 10:56 PM, Beokirby via agora-business wrote: On 2023-05-18 10:41 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: ID Author(s)   AI    Title ---

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8980-8984

2023-05-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 15:21, Beokirby via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2023-05-18 10:56 PM, Beokirby via agora-business wrote: >> On 2023-05-18 10:41 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: >>> ID  Author(s)   AI    Title >>> -

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Ricemastor] Nihilist gohan

2023-05-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 16:11, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 11:57 AM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 5/19/23 14:56, juan via agora-business wrote: >>> I create and consent to the following Rice Plan: >>> >>> Rice Up: [] >>>

DIS: Re: BUS: [Ricemastor] Nihilist gohan

2023-05-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 11:57 AM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/19/23 14:56, juan via agora-business wrote: > > I create and consent to the following Rice Plan: > > > > Rice Up: [] > > Rice Down: [] > > > > I consent to the above rice plan. > > -- > Ja

Re: Very Proto Economy (Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization_

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
- I like the Focuses idea. - I think you'd really just want to use your Stamps to win rather than anything else. Maybe instead you can only Focus on something if you have the right Stamp or combination of Stamps in your possession? For example, something like: Voting Focus [Requirement: Ownership o

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8980-8984

2023-05-19 Thread Beokirby via agora-discussion
On 2023-05-18 10:56 PM, Beokirby via agora-business wrote: On 2023-05-18 10:41 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: ID  Author(s)   AI    Title --- 8980~   Yachay  1.0   Riding with trai

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
You could say that to anyone disadvantaged who wants to change how things are, it's not particularly insightful (or accurate, in this case). So, only someone who already is in power and a beneficiary of the system should be entitled to propose change things? I don't think my situation is as bad,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8972-8979

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 10:41 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/19/23 12:26, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote > >> 8978* Janet 3.0 Authorized initiation > > FOR, although it doesn't actually solve the issue that brought this > > up, as it doesn't ratify a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Rice contract

2023-05-19 Thread Beokirby via agora-discussion
On 2023-05-19 1:38 PM, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: There's danger in a contract like this. If you have 0 Rice, and say, I have 1 Rice, and I submit a Rice Plan that gives us both 1 Rice and it ends up being the Rice Plan that passes, then you lose that round and I win that round,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8972-8979

2023-05-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 12:26, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote >> 8978* Janet 3.0 Authorized initiation > FOR, although it doesn't actually solve the issue that brought this > up, as it doesn't ratify a *proposal's* existence when the decision is > to adopt a proposal (the equivalent

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Rice contract

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
There's danger in a contract like this. If you have 0 Rice, and say, I have 1 Rice, and I submit a Rice Plan that gives us both 1 Rice and it ends up being the Rice Plan that passes, then you lose that round and I win that round, and we're both set back to 0 Rice. On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 7:21 PM B

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:59 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > I sometimes feel like half my arguing at Agora is dedicated to trying > > to persuade people not to repeal the economy. > > > > It rarely works, an

Very Proto Economy (Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization_

2023-05-19 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 11:50, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: I'd much rather take the route of trying to get the Radiance/Stamps system functional again, than of trying to repeal it. (Stamps in particular are one of the most powerful "new player perks" we've seen, and I suspect that that's a good thing.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- > > discussion wrote: > > > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- > > discussion wrote: > > > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemaster) Solidarity

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Technically you need to "consent" to having your "Signature" on a "Rice Plan", but given how lenient consent rules are (Rule 2519, point 4 especially), I believe this and the others like it are fine. It just needs to be "reasonably clear from context". I think it's a great advantage that the conse

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- > discussion  wrote: > > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I believe that your > > Officer salary problem is part of a larger problem of Agora

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:43 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > I don't intend to design an economy, because I don't think I'm competent > enough to do so. I'll try to contribute where I can, though. > Ah, the typical take-away power with a promise, but an unfulfilled one. No wo

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemaster) Solidarity

2023-05-19 Thread Beokirby via agora-discussion
On 2023-05-19 1:33 AM, Katie Davenport via agora-business wrote: I create and consent to the following rice plan. [ Rice Up: [inalienableWright, beokirby, blob] Rice Down: [ ] ] -inalienableWright (Katie) I consent to this list

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I don't intend to design an economy, because I don't think I'm competent enough to do so. I'll try to contribute where I can, though. On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 6:40 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Most newer players aren't going to know how to navigate the game and competently use mechanics like Stones or Dreams (I still don't know how Stones are meant to work). And even then, there's an opportunity cost in it all. A player that already is well-off can afford to use their Dream for things ot

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I believe that your > Officer salary problem is part of a larger problem of Agora overall needing > a proper economy again, not a voting strength problem. So offer t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 11:26, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: But, no. I don't think that any player deserves ~4 times the voting strength of a newbie, regardless of the reason. I want other players to be able to play nomic, especially newbies, and they need a relevant amount of voting strength

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:28 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:51 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > > Let's give everyone a more equal chance to be relevant. > > > > > So right now, Officers' only reward

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:51 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > > Let's give everyone a more equal chance to be relevant. > > So right now, Officers' only reward is increased voting strength (I believe), and the game is growing with lots of new players so officers' work is getting

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8980-8984

2023-05-19 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 03:45, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: 8981~ Janet, nix 2.0 Stone fixes PRESENT for now, I haven't studied those rules yet Well, the gist of the intended change is that some of the stones say their own name in their effects, when it'd be better to say "thi

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 2:08 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit the following two Proposals: > > Title: Democratization (low AI version) > AI: 1 > Author: Yachay > Co-Authors: None > /*Comment: I'm fine with rewarding officers and such with mo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fair rice planning [attn. Ricemastor]

2023-05-18 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 00:57, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:55 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> I create and consent to each of the following rice plans: >> >> 1. As follows: >> >> * Rice Up: The empty set. >> >> * Rice Down

DIS: Re: BUS: Fair rice planning [attn. Ricemastor]

2023-05-18 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:55 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I create and consent to each of the following rice plans: > > 1. As follows: > > * Rice Up: The empty set. > > * Rice Down: The empty set. > > 2. As follows: > > * Rice Up: The set of active pl

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8980-8984

2023-05-18 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 9:56 PM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/18/23 21:41, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: > > ID Author(s) AITitle > > > --- > > 8980~ Ya

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Scamster

2023-05-18 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 6:31 PM Forest Sweeney wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 5:08 PM ais523 via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:57 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: >> > On 5/18/23 18:54, ais523 via agora-business wrote: >> > > --

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Scamster

2023-05-18 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 5:08 PM ais523 via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:57 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/18/23 18:54, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > > -- > > > H. ais523, Champion×17, M.N., D.N.Phil, Marvy Scamster >

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Assessor, @Notary) Deputisation Intent - Assessor

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 16:29, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > Welcome to another episode of me being paranoid about the same enactment > timing scam again. > > I announce my intent to deputise as Assessor to resolve the Agoran > decisions to adopt Proposals 8965, 8966, 8967, 8968, 8969 and 8970.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Scamster

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:57 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/18/23 18:54, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > -- > > H. ais523, Champion×17, M.N., D.N.Phil, Marvy Scamster > > Appreciate the little humble brag in the signature :p A portion of that was the result of scams, and scams

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:49 -0500, blob via agora-discussion wrote: > I, being the new player, totally agree with this. I would be more than > willing to put some sort of marker in front of my name, as others in the > past have done. How should I go about changing my name--or how have others > in t

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Scamster

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 18:54, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > -- > H. ais523, Champion×17, M.N., D.N.Phil, Marvy Scamster Appreciate the little humble brag in the signature :p -- nix Prime Minister, Herald

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread blob via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 10:36 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 4:44 AM juan via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Note that the "free choice" is qualified by the need to "pick em out > in the full range of Agoran contexts". The S

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 21:32 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > > that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:29 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > Or perhaps this is just a case of "the ais523 who has been following > Agora for over 15 years spots things that the ais523 who had been there > for only one year didn't". Lol, I meant to add myself that the rules underlying may

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 14:01 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > That said, I suspect the word in R2029 is currently undefined: I don't > > think "a definition that was in place at the time the rule was adopted" >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > > that

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Kerim Aydin via agora-business [2023-05-18 13:16]: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:51 PM nix via agora-business > wrote: > > > > On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > > > CFJ: This violates Rule 2029 ("Town Fountain"). > > > I note and investigate the infraction to be 2 blots.

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > that it may fail is enough disclaimer to avoid no faking.  I'll also > note that Jane

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 16:08, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/18/23 15:03, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: >> I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I >> violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 > Sufficient carefulness would be not inves

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 15:03, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 Sufficient carefulness would be not investigating until the CFJ was resolved, or your timer was al

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:52 PM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > >

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 14:51, nix via agora-business wrote: On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: CFJ: This violates Rule 2029 ("Town Fountain"). I note and investigate the infraction to be 2 blots. (and as we know, this investigation only occurs if it does indeed violate the rule).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Scamster

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 14:16, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: I think this will fail but, I think it could be interesting regardless to have an unofficial (or official) record of the methods for how each win was achieved. That's not what I would use titles for. That would be better suited for b

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Scamster

2023-05-18 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I think this will fail but, I think it could be interesting regardless to have an unofficial (or official) record of the methods for how each win was achieved. On Thursday, May 18, 2023, nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/18/23 14:06, Forest Sweeney via agora-of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: BUS (@Rulekeepor) Clean rule 2675

2023-05-18 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Just to advertise myself a bit here, these kind of situations is what my Invocation Proposal is trying to alleviate. On Thursday, May 18, 2023, nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/18/23 14:06, Beokirby via agora-business wrote: > >> I intent to clean Rule 267

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: BUS (@Rulekeepor) Clean rule 2675

2023-05-18 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:07 PM Beokirby via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I intent to clean Rule 2675 ("Dream Wandering") by replacing " ore " > with " or " > Sorry for the trouble. > > -Beokirby > > Don't be sorry I'm like HERE for this Drama! :D :P -- 4st Referee Un

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Rulekeepor) Clean rule 2675

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
There's actually two criteria to think about here. One is the criteria for intent announcements (R1728). but the other is the criteria for rule change specifications in R105, specifically: > A rule change is wholly prevented from taking effect unless its > full text was published, along

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: BUS (@Rulekeepor) Clean rule 2675

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 14:06, Beokirby via agora-business wrote: I intent to clean Rule 2675 ("Dream Wandering") by replacing " ore " with " or " Sorry for the trouble. No trouble at all! The rules will always have some level of learning curve, but it's also incumbent on the more experienced players to thi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Rulekeepor) Clean rule 2675

2023-05-18 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I don't think that "re-submission" or "editting" intents are a thing but the language seems to refer to just one single possible outcome, even if its not worded precisely. I want this to be good enough to work, but I'm not sure if CfJs are on my side on this. On Thursday, May 18, 2023, beokirby a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector, Dream keeper) Intent to Register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 13:45, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: Maybe we could use a metaphor or just something similar and illustrative? "A player may begin to Chant for a particular action (...) When a player has been Chanting for (...)" "Chant", "Spellcast" or "Summon"; perhaps. Fantasy-theme

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector, Dream keeper) Intent to Register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:22 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 11:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > hehe we can still fool old players sometimes - "intend" has a > > "specific meaning" for registration as well as for other contexts, so > > beokirby

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Rulekeepor) Clean rule 2675

2023-05-18 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 14:44, beokirby agora via agora-discussion wrote: > I re-submit my intent but edited to be replacing " ore " with " or " > > -Beokirby First, this was sent to DIS (agora-discussion), so it doesn't work as an action. Second, the communication standard for intents is extremely high, so

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector, Dream keeper) Intent to Register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Maybe we could use a metaphor or just something similar and illustrative? "A player may begin to Chant for a particular action (...) When a player has been Chanting for (...)" "Chant", "Spellcast" or "Summon"; perhaps. Fantasy-themed things for 'charging up' to do something. Could be any other th

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Rulekeepor) Clean rule 2675

2023-05-18 Thread beokirby agora via agora-discussion
I re-submit my intent but edited to be replacing " ore " with " or " -Beokirby On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:38 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/18/23 14:36, beokirby agora via agora-business wrote: > > I intend to clean Rule 2675 ("Dream of Wandering")

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Rulekeepor) Clean rule 2675

2023-05-18 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
Suggestion: match more text: EG "16 ore" to "16 or" On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:38 AM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/18/23 14:36, beokirby agora via agora-business wrote: > > I intend to clean Rule 2675 ("Dream of Wandering") by replacing "ore" > with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector, Dream keeper) Intent to Register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
There's a bit of a discussion on Discord right now, that "intend" (or synonyms like "plan") have an implication of "doing in future, not now" in many contexts, which adds to the confusion for registration - and has specifically called out in the past in terms of "consent now" versus "consent later"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector, Dream keeper) Intent to Register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 13:32, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: Hm. We should probably use different words for registration "intents" and tabled "intents". In fact, I think it could be good to keyword things in the ruleset, sort of like how MTG and plenty of other games do it, like; [Lifesteal] o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector, Dream keeper) Intent to Register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Hm. We should probably use different words for registration "intents" and tabled "intents". In fact, I think it could be good to keyword things in the ruleset, sort of like how MTG and plenty of other games do it, like; [Lifesteal] or [Flash]. I believe we already have something like it in "Mother

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector, Dream keeper) Intent to Register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 11:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > hehe we can still fool old players sometimes - "intend" has a > "specific meaning" for registration as well as for other contexts, so > beokirby registered exactly as per the rules: > > > An Unregistered person CAN (

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector, Dream keeper) Intent to Register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:09 AM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/18/23 13:06, beokirby agora via agora-business wrote: > > I intend to register as a player of Agora. > > My name is beokirby. > > > > I will then grant myself a welcome package and envision a dream of gardens > Welcome beoki

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector, Dream keeper) Intent to Register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 13:06, beokirby agora via agora-business wrote: I intend to register as a player of Agora. My name is beokirby. I will then grant myself a welcome package and envision a dream of gardens Welcome beokirby! Keep in mind that phrases like "I intend" actually have a specific meaning in A

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 4:44 AM juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-05-17 23:21]: > > On 5/17/23 20:13, nix via agora-business wrote: > > > On 5/17/23 19:10, Christian Arguinzoni via agora-business wrote: > > >> I would like to register for the nomic game Ago

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 06:44, juan via agora-discussion wrote: I think this is kind of rude… People are free to choose their own names, at least in Agora, and I believe its an important principle. The problem seems to stem from the way the rules define persons regardless of their interactions with game stat

DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Wed, 2023-05-17 at 19:13 -0500, nix via agora-business wrote: > On 5/17/23 19:10, Christian Arguinzoni via agora-business wrote: > > I would like to register for the nomic game Agora. My preferred name is > > blob. Thank you! > > Welcome! I grant blob a Welcome Package. This is interesting beca

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-05-17 23:21]: > On 5/17/23 20:13, nix via agora-business wrote: > > On 5/17/23 19:10, Christian Arguinzoni via agora-business wrote: > >> I would like to register for the nomic game Agora. My preferred name is > >> blob. Thank you! > > Welcome! I grant blob a W

DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora

2023-05-17 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/17/23 20:13, nix via agora-business wrote: > On 5/17/23 19:10, Christian Arguinzoni via agora-business wrote: >> I would like to register for the nomic game Agora. My preferred name is >> blob. Thank you! > Welcome! I grant blob a Welcome Package. This is interesting because > this might be th

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Surveyor) Commune entry

2023-05-16 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2023-05-16 at 19:28 -0400, Katie Davenport via agora-business wrote: > I intend to: > > Enter the current tournament of Commune as a participant. > > Set my (Left, Middle, Right) constructors to construct (7, B, D), > respectively. > > Invest in Olive. This is a little ambiguous, becau

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4024 Assigned to snail

2023-05-16 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/16/23 04:18, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > >> On May 16, 2023, at 12:55 AM, Janet Cobb via agora-business >> wrote: >> >> On 5/16/23 00:41, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: The above judgement goes against game custom, common sense, and the best interests of the g

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Review Board for 4st's Thesis @Yachay @G. @Janet

2023-05-16 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/16/23 14:49, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > @Herald: I recommend removing G and Janet from the review board. It has > been more than a week, and only Yachay has done the review. Both have assured me (on Discord) that they will have their responses out in the next 48ish hours, so

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee

2023-05-16 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 1:28 PM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/16/23 15:27, nix via agora-business wrote: > > On 4/30/23 18:45, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: > >> I intend to award Golden Glove to snail. > > I intend with 2 Agoran Consent to award t

DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Review Board for 4st's Thesis @Yachay @G. @Janet

2023-05-16 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 9:33 AM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/3/23 18:00, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > > I submit the following horribly long thesis specifically to qualify for a > > degree > My office has received another degree. I will be usin

DIS: Re: BUS: Registering for Agora

2023-05-16 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Katie Davenport via agora-business [2023-05-16 13:13]: > Consider this my statement of intent to register as a player of Agora! > Excited to get started! > > -Katie Davenport (inalienableWright) Welcome inalienableWright! You are registered. -- juan Registrar

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8972-8979

2023-05-15 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/15/23 10:19, nix via agora-business wrote: >> 8976* Janet 3.0 Ruleset convergance > Conditional: FOR if Janet has intended to RWO the ruleset in the last > week, otherwise AGAINST. RWO cannot make changes to rules. -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

DIS: Re: BUS: The Brillant Murphy Bean (attn Collector, Herald)

2023-05-14 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 6:03 PM Edward Murphy via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I pay 8 stamps (of types ais523, juan, Madrid, Murphy, nix, R. Lee, > snail, and Yachay) to gain (8^2)-8 = 56 radiance. > > I pay 5 Murphy stamps to gain (5-1)*2 = 8 radiance. > > I have 37 +

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Herald, @Stonemason) Watch this!!!!

2023-05-14 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
snail wrote: I wield the radiance stone. (Woah! So cool!) (Wait! Oh my gosh! it's) I reach for the Recursion stone. (with a steel chair) As $DEITY is my witness, that rule is broken in half!

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4028 Assigned to G., Judged FALSE

2023-05-14 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
The "investigator", "investigation" names are pretty misleading. Maybe it could be reworded to something like "umpire", "assignation", etc? I might draft something later On Sunday, May 14, 2023, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/13/23 15:47, juan vi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4028 Assigned to G., Judged FALSE

2023-05-13 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/13/23 15:47, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-05-12 18:51]: >> In Agora, the rules are clear. The clock starts running when the >> infraction actually occurred, not when it was discovered or reasonably >> could have been discovered. > I'd argue this is a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8972-8979

2023-05-13 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
It's helpful for me, as a player, who is particularly invested in Proposals. On Saturday, May 13, 2023, juan via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > secretsnail9 via agora-official [2023-05-13 05:07]: > > PROMOTOR'S REPORT AS OF RIGHT NOW > > I vote as follows. > > > 8972*

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4028 Assigned to G., Judged FALSE

2023-05-13 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-05-12 18:51]: > In Agora, the rules are clear. The clock starts running when the > infraction actually occurred, not when it was discovered or reasonably > could have been discovered. I'd argue this is a problem. If the investigation is to determine if there w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8972-8979

2023-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 10:17 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > Also why is radiance at power 1.5 in the first place? > Was a minor design choice: because (in drafting points) I thought the win condition itself (100+ points) should be a trifle more protected than the award conditions.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8972-8979

2023-05-13 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/13/23 06:13, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: >> 8974~ Janet 1.0 Plan B >> > AGAINST (Radiance gameplay is pretty much all we have, also this wouldn't > even remove radiance (power 1.5). I'd rather see a fix or replacement > instead of a repeal, and my draft should

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4028 Assigned to G., Judged FALSE

2023-05-12 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/12/23 18:15, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion [2023-05-12 09:32]: >> On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 8:59 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> So a question to you: if an investigator, with good and honest intent >> doesn't believe that a crime has

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