Re: DIS: I say I pseudo-judge

2007-11-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: When Agoran Rules allow an action to be conducted "by announcement", the specific announcement is the action in question, giving the appearance that we support ISIDTID. In reality, we are recognizing the actual act of posting a message as the action. Yes.

Re: DIS: I say I pseudo-judge

2007-11-01 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On 11/1/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Zefram wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: When Agoran Rules allow an action to be conducted "by announcement", the specific announcement is the action in question, giving the appearance that we support ISIDTID. In

DIS: Re: BUS: VC spends

2007-11-03 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: The AFO spends: 1 Red and 1 Green VC to increase comex's VLOP by 1 1 Red and 1 Green VC to increase comex's VLOP by 1 1 Red and 1 Orange VC to increase Levi's VLOP by 1 1 Red and 1 Orange VC to increase Levi's VLOP by 1 VVLOP, that is.

Re: DIS: Hall of Fame

2007-11-03 Thread Ed Murphy
OscarMeyr wrote: On Oct 31, 2007, at 2:45 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: For the record, here is as much history of winners as I've been able to construct (mostly from the AWJ archives): 10/08/97 Steve (thrice), Andre (thrice), Morendil [proposal] 03/18/98 Blob, elJefe, General Chaos, Steve,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Limits and Credits Report

2007-11-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Sat 3 Nov 17:35:00 pikhq -1B Proposal 5269 rejected (no R to lose) As previously noted, proposal 5269 was not submitted by pikhq. It was in fact never submitted at all, but was a corruption of a proposal that pikhq

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ for the win

2007-11-04 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: First, the veracity of the statement is not irrelevant to the game, as the outcome of this case determines whether or not the Initiator wins the game; a judgement of IRRELEVANT is thus inappropriate to this case. So? The outcome of any case determines whether or not the judge gets

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ for the win

2007-11-04 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On 11/4/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: root wrote: Second, the statement of this case is deliberately vague; it does not specify the circumstances to which it applies, but an UNDECIDABLE judgement is permissible iff it is appropriate. Therefore, a judgem

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ for the win

2007-11-04 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On 11/4/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: root wrote: On 11/4/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: root wrote: Second, the statement of this case is deliberately vague; it does not specify the circumstances to which it applies, but an UNDECIDABLE

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1784: assign pikhq

2007-11-05 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On 11/5/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I hereby assign pikhq as judge of CFJ 1784. You're a very efficient CotC. Nevertheless... I nominate AFO, Pineapple Partnership, Human Point Two, myself, and Goethe for the office of CotC. PP and HP2 are inactive. Rule 2154 only al

Re: DIS: Proto: Fairer judge rotation

2007-11-05 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: Fatigue is a standing player switch, the possible values of which are the natural numbers, and the default of which is the maximum fatigue value ever set. Fatigue is tracked by the Clerk of the Courts, as is the maximum fatigue value ever set. A standi

DIS: Re: BUS: Let the criminal hang!

2007-11-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: I call for judgement on the following criminal case: Goethe, while holding the office of Notary, did breach the terms of eir office contained in Rule 2173 by identifying the membership of the private contract known as the AFO without the consent of its members or as allow

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

2007-11-07 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On 11/7/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 5287 AGAINST (these are privileges, not duties) The speaker's assignment of the privileges is a duty. I would support that change if it were proposed separately. Also, when it comes time to revoke MwP from someone,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!

2007-11-07 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Nov 7, 2007 10:53 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 7, 2007 12:47 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * GUILTY, appropriate if the defendant breached the specified rule via the specified act and none of the above judgements

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposal 5269

2007-11-08 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: I publically and explicitly challenge this message On Saturday 03 November 2007, Ed Murphy wrote: I cause the AFO to publish the following. Voting results for Proposal 5269: What aspect of it, and on what grounds?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposal 5269

2007-11-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: It's a bug that a single challenge stops the clock indefinitely. We may need to bring back Claims of Error (when someone claims there is an error/challenge, the officer has a week to respond). If there's still disagreement after that, there's another (limited) time period to CFJ.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposal 5269

2007-11-09 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On 11/9/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: comex wrote: I publically and explicitly challenge this message ISIDTID doesn't work for that. See CFJ 1690. -zefram But if I make any of these claims publically, from CFJ 1690: (a) "Proposal 6000 was rejected." (b) "Joe's vote o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to appeal

2007-11-10 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Nov 10, 2007 11:55 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I intend, with 2 support, to appeal the judgement of CFJ 1772. Appelant's argument: This judgement is inconsistent with the judgement of CFJ 1773. They don't seem inconsistent to me. CFJ 177

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

2007-11-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: 5295 AGAINST (the pool should remain part of the report) Why? The promotor is obliged to distribute everything in the pool each week, so separate reporting of the pool is redundant. A few different reasons. Retaining the obligation increases the Promotor&#

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement for the block

2007-11-10 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Nov 10, 2007 12:24 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I interpret the statement of CFJ 1778 as "Judging UNDECIDABLE is permissible in all circumstances in which a judgement is to be rendered". Judging UNDECIDABLE is permissible in some such circumstances

DIS: Proto: Named methods of winning

2007-11-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Named methods of winning This proposal has no effect unless the text of Rule 2110 (Win by Paradox) contains "wins the game by paradox". Amend Rule 2136 (Contests) by replacing "win the game" with "win the game on points". Amend Rule 2134 (Voting Limits are Limited) by replacing

DIS: Proto: Claims of error, redux

2007-11-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Claims of error, redux (AI = 3, please) Amend Rule 1551 (Ratification) by replacing this text: Any public document defined by the rules as self-ratifying is ratified one week after its publication, unless explicitly challenged during that period. with this tex

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Minor judicial fixes

2007-11-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: The parties to the contract are all unqualified to be assigned as judge of the case, unless the contract is the rules. I still reckon the rules are not amenable to the use of an equity-like process. Can you give some examples of judgements that you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto-Proposal: Judicial fixes

2007-11-11 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: When a judicial question is applicable and open, and its case has a judge assigned to it, the judge CAN assign an appropriate judgement to it by announcement, Making it impossible to assign an inappropriate judgement is a very bad idea. The

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1787a: assign Eris, Goethe, Zefram

2007-11-11 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On Nov 11, 2007 11:04 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think this self-containedness is what Eris has in mind with suggesting IRRELEVANT for a paradox which doesn't arise until the CFJ is called, but I find that root is correct, the rules aren't written as such at the mo

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1787a: assign Eris, Goethe, Zefram

2007-11-11 Thread Ed Murphy
Murphy wrote: Eris wrote: On Nov 11, 2007 11:04 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think this self-containedness is what Eris has in mind with suggesting IRRELEVANT for a paradox which doesn't arise until the CFJ is called, but I find that root is correct, the rules aren't written

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Voting debits and refraction

2007-11-11 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: A player SHALL NOT possess VDs for more than one month. One second after a sentence of CHOKEY for violating this rule becomes active, all of the sentenced player's VCs and VDs are destroyed. That's harsh. Why not just the VCs and

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1787a: assign Eris, Goethe, Zefram

2007-11-11 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Sunday 11 November 2007, Zefram wrote: I still believe that a judgement of "IRRELEVANT" is appropriate in this instance, since CFJs cannot and should not be allowed to create their own relevance given the wording of the rule. I would argue that IRRELEVANT is not appropriate ev

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1787a: assign Eris, Goethe, Zefram

2007-11-11 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2007, Taral wrote: My argument hinges on timing. I read "at the time the CFJ is called" to limit the scope of relevance to the state that exists on that boundary. I believe it is within the authority of this panel and the judge to exclude the CFJ itself from that st

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I say I pseudo-judge (fwd)

2007-11-11 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: *Sigh* Subject lines may give some guidance, but they are not a substantive part of the message. (I'd say RTF case archive but I can't find the case in question myself, we need a more effective case archive or a way to search case texts hint hint). The message taken in its own c

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1792-1793: assign Goethe

2007-11-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, comex wrote: Then we shall interpret the first-class player clause as something completely different, where intent is the more important thing? Not intent, but specific practicality of what first-class players are. If we take the whole term "allow any fi

DIS: Proto: Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery

2007-11-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery (AI = 2, please) Wonko and bad leprechaun are co-authors of this proposal. Create a rule titled "Winning by Legislative Dominance" with Power 2 and this text: If, during a given Agoran week, all of these conditions are met:

Re: DIS: Proto: Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery

2007-11-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Create a rule titled "Winning by Legislative Dominance" with Power 2 I dislike this idea. Why?

Re: DIS: Proto: Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery

2007-11-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Zefram wrote: I dislike this idea. Why? I think it's not a naturally significant condition, but one that could be expected to occur in some perfectly ordinary circumstances. Attempts to avert such a win would induce people to make good proposals fail,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The AFO

2007-11-15 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Thursday 15 November 2007 19:37:23 comex wrote: On Thursday 15 November 2007, Josiah Worcester wrote: I intend to join the AFO, with SUPPORT of all AFO members. Judge CFJ 1783 already! I judge comex GUILTY in the CFJ 1783, with the initiator's arguments. NttPF.

Re: DIS: Reinforcing the Rubicon

2007-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Levi wrote: It just occured to me that another possible hole is that I could, with two other senators, control the game by continually declaring emergency sessions and filibuster on all proposals except our own. But three other senators could just de-filibuster them, and filibuster yours, so

Re: DIS: Reinforcing the Rubicon

2007-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: When an emergency session begins, all non-Senators' postures become supine, and non-Senators may not flip their posture while the session lasts. Any reason not to make this CANNOT?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The AFO

2007-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Levi wrote: comex wrote: Levi, you going to support or object to his attempt to join the AFO? Undecided so far :) Any thoughts on pros/cons of an extra member for the AFO? I'm happy to support if both you and Murphy do. I notice you did already, not in the public forum but I believe that

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Urgent Actions

2007-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: Proposal: Urgent Actions (AI=2) Amend Rule 1728 by replacing item (f) of the list in that rule with: (f) The vote collector of such a decision CANNOT resolve it if it was initiated more than fourteen days ago, or less than its urgency index ago. Indices a

DIS: Pending judicial foo

2007-11-17 Thread Ed Murphy
For my own reference, here is a list of things that remain up in the air wrt the CotC database. Mon 5 Nov 18:02:12 Goethe judges 1774-5, if e did not before (see CFJ 1784) Wed 7 Nov 19:28:36 Murphy intends to remand 1786 Thu 8 Nov 05:50:05 root consents to remanding

DIS: Proto: Formalize judicial findings

2007-11-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Formalize judicial findings (AI = 3, please) Amend Rule 591 (Inquiry Cases) by appending this text: A judicial finding is a judgement of a question on veracity that is not appealed within the time limit for doing so, or that is sustained on appeal. Amend Rule

Re: DIS: Proto: Formalize judicial findings

2007-11-17 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: Proto-Proposal: Formalize judicial findings (AI = 3, please) This should probably be two separate proposals. First one: Amend Rule 591 (Inquiry Cases) by appending this text: A judicial finding is a judgement of a question on veracity that is not appealed within the t

Re: DIS: Proto: Formalize judicial findings

2007-11-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 11/17/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A judicial finding is a judgement of a question on veracity that is not appealed within the time limit for doing so, or that is sustained on appeal. Spurious comma. Disagree.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Three judgements

2007-11-17 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Saturday 17 November 2007, Taral wrote: No, repeatly appealing the *same* judgement is a loophole. Appealing the *new* judgement is perfectly reasonable. Then why is, say, an OVERRULE judgement unappealable, while other judgements resulting from appeals are not? Rule 911/16

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nominations

2007-11-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 11/17/07, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good enough for me at this point. I SUPPORT Pikhq and OPPOSE Wooble. Um, people, you can't vote yet (Rule 2154). They can vote in the Agoran Consent decisions, though those decisions can't be resolved because there are mu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Three judgements

2007-11-17 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Nov 17, 2007 9:37 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: *I'm* the one still think UNDECIDED is reasonable, and I came up with arguments supporting it which I think are perfectly fine. I think that root should be the winner. I thought that ship sailed as soon as the first

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Three judgements

2007-11-17 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Saturday 17 November 2007, Kerim Aydin wrote: I call for appeal of Murphy's latest judgement in CFJ 1787, and suggest at this point REASSIGN. CotC, please consider the preceding paragraph to be my Appellant's arguments. I object! Repeatedly appealing a judgement because of a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Three judgements

2007-11-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: I don't suppose there's any way of just appending this to the arguments of the judgement I haven't appealed yet, is there... really wishing for concurring opinions here... I can always throw 'em into the database as gratuituous arguments.

DIS: Proto: Concurring opinions

2007-11-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Concurring opinions (AI = 1.7, please) Amend Rule 911 (Appeal Cases) by replacing the list of valid judgements with this text: * AFFIRM, appropriate if the prior judgement was appropriate for the prior question, and the prior judge did not arrive at that ju

DIS: Proto: More types of proposals

2007-11-18 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-proto: More types of proposals On majority party proposals, each player has a number of votes equal to the size of eir party. On minority party proposals, each party (measured at start of voting period) has one vote (members vote F>A -> FOR, F AGAINST, F=A -> PRESENT). On cabinet proposa

Re: DIS: Proto: Formalize judicial findings

2007-11-18 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 11/17/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eris wrote: On 11/17/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A judicial finding is a judgement of a question on veracity that is not appealed within the time limit for doing so, or that is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nominations

2007-11-18 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 11/17/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Um, people, you can't vote yet (Rule 2154). They can vote in the Agoran Consent decisions, though those decisions can't be resolved because there are multiple consenting nominees. Okay, you can't vote *mean

Re: DIS: Proto: Concurring opinions

2007-11-18 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 11/17/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Proto-Proposal: Concurring opinions (AI = 1.7, please) Why? To formally distinguish between the concepts described under the new AFFIRM and CONCUR. For instance, Rule 2126 would revoke the prior judge's salary on CO

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Three judgements

2007-11-18 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Sat, 17 Nov 2007, Ian Kelly wrote: The rules only ascribe importance to the actual judgement, not to the arguments presented; the CotC isn't even required to track them. So it's not as if any rule would be broken by doing that. I forgot that. How can we have a meaningful pr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Voting debits and refraction

2007-11-18 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: The recordkeeporship of VCs being split amongst these different offices just makes VCs far too tricky to handle. Just leave it all with the Accountor. Also, why does the Accountor keep track of all VDs, but not all VCs? VC tracking is the bulk of the Assessor's workload - I have

Re: DIS: Proto: Formalize judicial findings

2007-11-18 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 11/18/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The serial comma's role of disambiguation can be reasonably extended to lists of two, provided that the items in the list are sufficiently complex. Furthermore, as demonstrated multiple times in this reply, there are se

Re: DIS: Proto: Formalize judicial findings

2007-11-18 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 11/18/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sunday 18 November 2007, Taral wrote: I can't find any style guides that support or even mention this extension of the serial comma. You're probably right, but if that humongous sentences had no commas whatsoever, it would be ugly.

Re: DIS: Proto: Formalize judicial findings

2007-11-18 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Sunday 18 November 2007, Taral wrote: A judicial finding is a judgement of a question on veracity that is neither appealed within the time limit for doing so nor sustained on appeal. Logic error. In fact, this is not necessary at all. Since AFFIRM reassigns

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal - Consent doesn't perform the action

2007-11-18 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Sunday 18 November 2007, Levi Stephen wrote: (g) If the outcome is APPROVED, then the vote collector MUST perform the action as soon as possible after resolving the decision. add CAN Replace with CAN, actually. A player intending to perform a dependent action should b

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal - Consent doesn't perform the action

2007-11-18 Thread Ed Murphy
Levi wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: comex wrote: On Sunday 18 November 2007, Levi Stephen wrote: (g) If the outcome is APPROVED, then the vote collector MUST perform the action as soon as possible after resolving the decision. add CAN Replace with CAN, actually. A player intending to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal - Consent doesn't perform the action

2007-11-18 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Nov 18, 2007 8:21 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 18, 2007 6:51 PM, Levi Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks. I think CAN does better describe what I'm trying to achieve here. CAN isn't sufficient; there's still no mechanism to replace the one you're remov

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal - Consent doesn't perform the action

2007-11-18 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Nov 18, 2007 9:34 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (g) If the outcome is APPROVED, then the vote collector CAN perform the action (by announcement if no other mechanism is specified) within one week after resolving the decision. Rul

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2007-11-20 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: I have a problem with your criterion for the defence. It appears to make ignorance of the law an excuse, even wilful ignorance. Agoran law is not very large, and I think it is reasonable to require that everyone subject to it be aware of all relevant parts, other than the rare si

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Agora & B

2007-11-20 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Nov 19, 2007 10:35 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 19 November 2007 17:48:08 you wrote: With *Agoran Consent*, I intend to have Agora join B Nomic as a faction. SUPPORT We have 2 for, 1 against, and 1 against but not to the public forum. I recommend t

DIS: Re: BUS: A non-reporting office

2007-11-21 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: I submit the following proposal, named "Non-reporting Office": Create a rule with the following text: { There exists an office of Governmental Waste. This office shall have no duties, shall make no reports, and shall exist as the sole result of governmental waste. } [ I want to s

DIS: Re: BUS: Two international protos

2007-11-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Expanded foreign relations Er. I think I originally intended the second one to be some sort of economic trade proto (with strong pragmatic safeguards against allowing an ambiguous foreign gamestate to infect ours).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Foreign trade

2007-11-22 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Nov 22, 2007 4:04 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A player CAN spend N+1 VCs of different colors to gain N cimons. A player CAN spend N+1 cimons to gain N VCs of a color that e gained within the past week. This would allow a player wh

DIS: Re: BUS: Voting limit

2007-11-22 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: I spend 2B and 1K to increase my VVLOP by one. I'm interpreting "different colors" in Rule 2126 as requiring each VC in the set to be a different color from any of the others in that set, so this is ineffective.

DIS: Re: BUS: Resolving Surrender

2007-11-22 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: Decision: I intend with Agoran Consent to unconditionally surrender to B Nomic. Options: SUPPORT, OBJECT SUPPORT: comex, OscarMeyr OBJECT: Zefram, Levi The option selected by Agora is: SUPPORT No, it isn't. S/(S+O) = majority index is insufficient, it must exceed.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting limit

2007-11-22 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: Fine. I spend 2B VCs to create 200B marks. I spend 1K VC to create 100K marks. These don't work, either. The Marks rule only allows you to convert Marks to VCs voluntarily; to convert VCs to Marks, you have to arrange to get dinged for more Marks than you have (though you can mak

DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to amend the AFO contract

2007-11-22 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: I intend to amend the AFO contract, with consent of all of its Partners, so that it reads as follows: I consent to the amendment.

DIS: Re: BUS: AFO actions

2007-11-23 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: The AFO transfers 98 blue marks to comex. This was successful. The AFO transfers 98 blue marks to comex. The AFO transfers 98 blue marks to pikhq. The AFO transfers 98 blue marks to Murphy. The AFO transfers 98 blue marks to Levi. These were not; the AFO had no marks left to t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Even scamming can be excessive

2007-11-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: People outside the conspiracy: can we be done with currencies again for a while? Zefram, care to do the honors of proposing? We might want to just repeal VCs and Marks, while leaving the Asset infrastructure in place (for contracts wishing to use them).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning up after itself

2007-11-23 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Friday 23 November 2007 15:41:55 Ed Murphy wrote: The AFO retracts all CFJs that it called within the past 24 hours. Fortunately, the marks are still in existence. :) Unfortunately, I still have to process all the actions in comex's long message. :(

Re: DIS: Proto-contract: The National Bank of Agora

2007-11-23 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: [ Any problems with this, rules-wise? Sure hope not. ] Afraid so. The contract would need Power >= 2 to alter VC holdings (Rules 1688 and 2126). I tried having the Agoran Credit Union work around this by defining obligations to do 2-for-1 VC transfers, but it proved sufficiently

DIS: Re: BUS: Esperanto

2007-11-24 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: Mi voyagxas al Esperanto. Que?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Esperanto

2007-11-24 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: I voyage to Esperanto. This is an unregulated action; however, by rule 2105, this is a valid Agoran location. I still want to see someone come up with an interesting location-based sub-game. I still remember the Tubthumping Room...

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Do I win yet?

2007-11-24 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: From an alternative standpoint, after Rule 2110/2 was replaced with Rule 2110/3, the former version could no longer affect the game in any way; thus it could not cause a win, and this CFJ would be FALSE. This interpretation is troubling when applied to other rules; for example, a r

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to deputise

2007-11-25 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Sunday 25 November 2007 13:32:11 comex wrote: On Sunday 25 November 2007, Josiah Worcester wrote: I intend to deputise for the CotC in the assignment of criminal case 1804. The time limit for assignment runs out in nearly 24 hours, so 48 hours after my declaration of intent, I

Re: DIS: Veto

2007-11-25 Thread Ed Murphy
avpx wrote: According to rule 106: "A Proposal with an Adoption Index of less than 2 is Ordinary. All other Proposals are Democratic." This seems fine and all, except that the powers of the Wielder of Veto describe (2019): "The Wielder of Veto CAN veto an ordinary proposal in its voting period

DIS: Re: BUS: Change of VC laws

2007-11-25 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: I submit the following proposal, entitled "No decay!": Amend rule 2126 to read: When a proposed amendment leaves most of a rule the same, it's customary to specify just the changes. This makes its net effect easier to determine, and avoids the risk that it will inadvertently w

DIS: Re: AC: Proposal redux

2007-11-25 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote (in the Agora's Child forum): I retract "No decay!", and submit the following proposal (also titled "No decay!"): Adoption index = 2 Interest index = 2 Co-author is avpx In rule 2126: * Remove monthly decay * Change "N+1 to increase another player's VVLOP by N" to "N

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Marks for one-time VLOP

2007-11-25 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Sunday 25 November 2007 16:36:48 Ed Murphy wrote: Proto-Proposal: Marks for one-time VLOP I like this rule quite a lot, myself. Especially the part where I could feasibly vote several thousand times on a single ordinary proposal. ;) Inflation in a single color won&#

Re: DIS: Re: AC: Proposal redux

2007-11-25 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Sunday 25 November 2007 17:07:15 Ed Murphy wrote: I also feel obliged to point out that I object to the repeal of monthly decay. (I proposed monthly decay in the first place, to prod Zefram to stop hoarding.) I was introducing the harder VVLOP changes to *try* and reduce

DIS: Re: BUS: How many contracts can I form in a day, anyways?

2007-11-25 Thread Ed Murphy
The AFO objects to all your intents to form a contest within the past 24 hours. Whoops, forgot non-first-class players can't do that.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto-Thesis: 2007, the Year of Partnerships

2007-11-26 Thread Ed Murphy
[Primo] became de facto inactive in July, and was dissolved by Issue (proposal) 26 in October. Will add a mention that this tested the dissolution-by-unanimous- agreement clause; one partner directly opposed Issue 26, but indirectly agreed to abide by the voting results on Issues in general.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto-Thesis: 2007, the Year of Partnerships

2007-11-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Ed Murphy wrote: BUS: Proto-Thesis: 2007, the Year of Partnerships What degree is this for? I don't know. Since Rule 1367 no longer contains any objective standards, I'll probably submit a proposal recognizing pseudo-votes at each level. P

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto-Thesis: 2007, the Year of Partnerships

2007-11-26 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Nov 26, 2007 2:06 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: root attempted to register square root (emself, acting as a corporation sole) and Nemo (no one, acting as a soulless corporation). CFJs 1682 and 1683 held that agreements must be made among two or more player

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto-Thesis: 2007, the Year of Partnerships

2007-11-26 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: I could have swore that Primo was the first partnership with a non-player member (as several players of B became Primo shareholders). Perhaps I am mistaken however. I don't remember this happening. They may certainly have talked about it, though.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report

2007-11-26 Thread Ed Murphy
OscarMeyr wrote: I just looked over these registration dates. Are they correct -- am I the ONLY player who did not (re)register this year? Yes. I deregistered so that Michael could keep the record for longest continuous registration, and also to test the ramifications of a partnership (the A

DIS: Re: BUS: Change of VC laws

2007-11-27 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Josiah Worcester wrote: I submit the following proposal, entitled "No decay!": avpx is a coauthor of this proposal. Interest index of 2. Adoption index of 2. Amend rule 2126 to read: It's not entirely clear to me where you intend the text of the proposal to start. If it starts

DIS: Violet VC status update

2007-11-27 Thread Ed Murphy
As of the last Herald's report (June 21), these players were already recorded as having Long Service titles: Three Months Long Service: Goddess Eris, Goethe, Sherlock Six Months Long Service: Michael, Murphy, OscarMeyr, root, Sherlock Nine Months Long Service:Michael, Murphy, OscarMe

DIS: Never mind.

2007-11-27 Thread Ed Murphy
Of course, /right/ after I send that out, I remember that another batch of Red Marks were platonically awarded about an hour ago. Corrections coming up shortly.

DIS: Status of wins by paradox

2007-11-27 Thread Ed Murphy
To the best of my knowledge, Minister without Portfolio was held by these players when it was first adopted: Eris (joint win on 2/24/06) <- Speaker Murphy (win on 3/18/07) Human Point Two (win on 5/22/07) Levi (win on 8/21/07) I'm assuming that CFJ 1807 will be judged false. If it's jud

DIS: Re: BUS: The slow-winning contest

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: As do I On Nov 27, 2007 8:26 PM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I also join these contests. On 11/27/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I hereby join The Slow-Winning Contest 1, The Slow-Winning Contest 2, The Slow-Winning Contest 3, The Slow-Winning Contest 4, The Slow-W

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1807: result TRUE

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Nov 28, 2007 9:08 AM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rule 2110 (either version) is not expressed as setting up a delayed action. Indeed. To me it reads as if it the rule acts at the moment the judgement is entered, provided that it remains unappealed for the following week.

Re: DIS: Quality Judge Assignment

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: Proto-Proposal: Quality Judge Assignment I suspect that this would be a PITA to add to the CotC DB. Would it be a big deal if it failed to reflect this stuff?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: result TRUE

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: I intend, on behalf of Agora, with Agoran Consent, to nkeplwgplxgioyzjvtxjnncsqscvntlbdqromyeyvlhkjgteaqnneqgujjpwcbyfrpueoydjjk. NttPF, you schlemiel!

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: result TRUE

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: For example, nkep could be a contract action in a private contract, which is permissible or not permissible by the contract (and thus answerable to in Agoran courts). [snip] A compromise offer: nkep is clearly not understandable to most Agorans, and thus the burden falls onto th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: result TRUE

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: If I *right now*, to the PF, defined nkep as "deregister" (not claiming to have defined it beforehand), would TRUE then become appropriate for this appeal? Rule 911 (Appeal Cases) measures appropriateness as follows: AFFIRM - past REMAND - unspecified REASSIGN - unspecified OVER

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1804: assign Goethe

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Ian Kelly wrote: On Nov 28, 2007 3:23 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is broken, but I must find GUILTY. [If anyone has a way out, please suggest it]. I also submit the following [proto-proposal]: I concur, and I suggest that DISCHARGE is

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